Avoid Burnout and Get into Your Flow

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Hello everyone and welcome to our weekly power lounge.
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This is your place to hear authentic conversations from those who have power to share.
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My name is Amy Vaughn and I am the owner and chief empowerment officer of Together Digital, a diverse and collaborative community of women who work in digital and choose to share their knowledge, power, and connections.
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You can join the movement at TogetherIndigital.com.
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And today's guest is someone who has made it her mission to help leaders stop grinding and start leading from a place of genuine strength.
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Alicia Corey is the founder and CEO of Audacious Concepts Inc., a boutique leadership firm that helps organize organizations boost performance by aligning action with instinct.
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A Kobe certified consultant, productive index consultant, and TEDx speaker, Alicia works with leaders across industries to reduce stress, build resilience, and lead with clarity through the lens of cognitive strengths.
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She's also the founder of Red Carpet CEO, where she channels her passion for digital media and content creation.
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And today she is here to talk about how we can ditch the hustle mentality, avoid burnout, and lead with what she calls audacious confidence.
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Welcome to the Power Lounge, Alicia.
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So glad to have you here.
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Yay, we've made it.
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I know it's been a journey to get here.
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So we're here.
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It has been.
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Yeah, some technical difficulties and life things and everything.
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Scheduling and all the things, but that's life.
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That is life.
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And I'm so, so glad you're here.
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I mean, it's going to tie in nicely with the conversation today, right?
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Um, you built audacious concepts around the idea of aligning action with instinct.
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And before we go into your frameworks and your methodologies, I would love for you to share a moment of your experience that made you realize that most re most leaders are operating actually out of alignment.
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That's a great question to start off with because it there was no specific moment that I can pinpoint, except in conversations with people, when actions don't meet expectations or results.
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That's misalignment.
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You know, when you're you're the words you're saying or the things that you're trying to do don't meet the results that you're getting, somewhere along the line there's misalignment.
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What does that actually feel like in your body?
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I'm kind of curious because you're talking about instinct and like gut feeling.
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So I'm just kind of curious.
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What does that feel like?
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And and what are those feelings that we often tend to ignore?
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Well, I'm gonna just clarify something a second.
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The instinct that we are referring to when I'm with the framework and the work that we do, it's not a gut instinct.
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It's actually a performance instinct.
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It's how your brain was wired to make decisions, problem solve, and act when you're not given specific directions.
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So it's your natural, innate wiring that is like pre pre-wired into your brain at birth of how you how you solve problems.
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That's the instinct we're talking about, not necessarily a like a um lizard brain instinct, right?
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When danger comes, we run.
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It's not that kind of instinct, not that kind of gut.
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It's more of an instinct, it's a default wire.
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Well, let's let's dig into that more because my next question is it's you talk a lot about the third part of the mind, connotation, which most of us haven't really heard of or talked about.
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So could you break that down?
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Um, what connotation is and why it is the missing piece that so many aren't talking about?
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Yeah, so conation is the conitive part of the mind.
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So when you look at how the mind operates, there are three main functions for decision-making, problem solving.
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Um, it's the cognitive, which everybody understands that part.
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It's your thinking mind.
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And when we think, when the way we define the thinking mind, it is your IQ, your skills, your reasoning abilities, your knowledge experience, and your education.
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That's the cognitive piece.
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And then we have the affective piece, which is around emotional intelligence.
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That's the feeling mind.
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So again, that goes back to that gut that you were talking about before.
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That's the feeling mind.
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That is where your personality, your preferences, your desires, motivations, uh, and and emotions and your values, that's where that part of the and and that's in the limbic system of the brain.
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That's that emotional part of your of the mind.
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And then that conitive piece is really that instinct, that drive, that necessity, your mental energy.
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It's your innate force for taking action and doing things.
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And we measure it in four different ways, which I can get to get into um later on.
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But there are four specific actions that we're measuring.
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So you can look at it this way: you can think about a problem, you can feel about a problem.
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This is how you're actually going to do the solution for the problem.
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That's conation.
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Very interesting.
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And I kept saying connotation, but conation, that's awesome.
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I love that.
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That's fascinating.
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So the Colby assessment, that's central to the work that you do as well.
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Yeah.
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How does understanding someone's Kobe results um actually change what they do in the way they lead on a day-to-day basis?
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And honestly, to you, like for those who aren't familiar with it, maybe a little bit of context about that first.
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Absolutely.
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So Colby, Kathy Colby, so Colby's after her name, Kathy Colby, about 50 years ago started doing some research in this conitive part of the mind.
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She had read about um Aristotle and played um um Aristotle and there's another philosopher from way back then, and she had read something about volition, that every human has this volition.
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And she's like, What is this volition?
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So she started doing a lot of research into that, and that's where conation came from.
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And interestingly enough, her father was the founder of the Wonderlich cognitive assessment.
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Okay, and she felt like there was another intelligence that people operated under, and he told her to go find it.
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So she did, and it's this conation that's been written about for over 400 years, but it's not well known because people lean more into that cognitive piece, they all think that this intelligence is the highest form of intelligence that we have, and it really isn't.
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Our mind is the three parts working together as one.
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And so when a leader understands their own cognitive design, how they were designed to function when, again, when solving problems, making decisions, and taking action, they stop following advice not meant for them.
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That's what leads to burnout.
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Like when they're following this advice that is not meant for how their brain actually operates.
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Because when we look at mental energy in conation, that mental energy is finite.
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And when you're operating outside of that mental energy, it burns a lot faster.
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So when you can look at fuel, if you had um like little kindling sticks when you're trying to build a fire, you need the kindling to start.
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But once the fire roars, that kindling burns up really quickly, and you need like wooden blocks to start, you know, keeping that fire going.
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You need solid wood to keep that fire going.
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Now, if you look at your conitive mind, if you're operating outside of that, it's like kindling, it burns up quickly.
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But if if you're operating in it, it's like that solid wood that takes a long time to burn, but it keeps the fuel going.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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How do you how do you measure it?
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Like how is it measured and there's an assessment?
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So there's a six, uh, a 36 question assessment that you take.
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And um, when you once you take the assessment, you get a result in those four different action modes that we said we measure.
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So it's your your need for um how you gather and share information, we call that fact-finding, your how you see patterns and processes and systems, that is follow-through.
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It's how you look at um at risk, uncertainty, and change, and that's your quick start.
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And implementation is your 3D space.
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How do you interact with your 3D space and tangible objects like tangible things?
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So those are the four things that we measure, and it's on a continuum from one to ten in three separate zones.
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So we we give you a full uh picture of what your strengths are in those different areas and how to operate best in those strengths to get the work that you need to get done done.
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Very cool.
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Does this ever change, or is it once it's set, it's set?
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Once it's set, it's set.
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It they've done over the last 50 years test, retest, and they this is one of the most validated stable assessments that you can take.
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Uh, it if you get a wrong result, like if you take it and it's it's completely different, sometimes people take it in the let's say they take it thinking, oh, what do I do every day?
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Or what or how am I supposed to do this?
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And so they take it from that perspective and not how am how would I do it?
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Because I like to tell people, if you were the rule of the universe and you can do it any way you want, if you were free to do it however you do it, how would you answer these questions?
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So that's the perspective we have to come from, and that unlocks that cognitive part.
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But if you answer it as how you're supposed to do it, then you'll get a completely different result.
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Awesome.
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That's really interesting.
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Okay, so I know we have our live listeners with us today.
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Thank you for your patience as we had a bit of a start.
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But also, I want to remind you, you can ask questions in the chat because all of this is really fascinating.
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And obviously, I have my list of questions for Alicia, but I'm sure you have your questions as well.
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These are the kinds of things our members thrive on.
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We love learning, we love learning about ourselves, understanding how our minds work and everything.
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So I can only imagine there'll be a lot of chatter after this episode where our members are trying to get this assessment, understand it, check it out.
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Um, let's talk about it in the context of burnout.
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Earlier, you were saying, like when you're misaligned, you know, um it does tend to create more of a toll.
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Like your kindling example was great.
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It burns up fast.
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And we know that there's basically this whole epidemic of burnout happening all around us.
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How does cognitive misalignment contribute to burnout?
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And why is this custle culture that we're all live being forced, and sometimes it feels like to live in contribute?
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How does it make it worse?
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So Colby did some brain scans.
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So this is this is the evidence of how this is operating.
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And they they showed someone working within their natural strengths, and then the brain scan showed someone working against that natural, the um, that their natural strength.
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And what it showed was when they were rested after working within their natural strengths, just the prefrontal cortex was lit up, which is where that conitive, it's in that executive functioning with your cognitive.
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Yeah.
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When they were working against their natural strengths, more than half the brain was lit up.
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And this is after resting.
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So if you live day after day after day, where more than half your brain is experiencing that level of stress, and you might not be feeling stressed.
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Remember, we talked about cognitive, affective, and cognitive.
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So you might not be feeling stress doing it because a lot of us feel, oh, I can do that, I can do that.
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We have this can do attitude.
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I can do that.
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I was working with a client and I was uh doing a readback with her and her boss, and she she kept saying, Yes, but I can do it, I can do it.
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And uh and I said to her, Yes, but should you be doing it?
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Yeah, that's the question we need to ask ourselves.
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Yes, you can.
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We can do a lot of things, but should we?
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And he's like, Yeah, we want to optimize what you're doing and not burn you out at the end of the day for you not to feel exhausted at the end of the day.
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Um, so when we look at that data and we look at those brain scans, we know it's impacting the brain.
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And I'm gonna ask a question Have you ever spent your day doing something and at the end of the day, you just feel totally wiped?
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Like you ran a marathon.
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It's like, why am I so exhausted?
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I can't even make a decision about dinner.
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I don't, I don't even know up from down, left from right.
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And then there are some days you come home and you're just like energized.
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It's just like, man, I had the best day.
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Yeah.
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If you look back at what you actually did that day, you can track back to, huh?
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I was probably doing stuff that was against how my conitive design is.
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And I call that swimming against a rip current.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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You're swimming against a rip current and you're you're tiring yourself out, but you're not really getting anywhere.
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That happens for me when I have to do a lot of deep research.
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My brain gets exhausted.
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And I never understood that until I took this assessment.
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And now I understand what drains me and what energizes me.
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I love it.
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We talk about that a lot, but it's so fascinating to think about the science behind it, right?
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Because we do like energy audits when we do like our goal gatters for Together Digital.
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We talk about strength finders, and to me, this is like the science behind strength finders, right?
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Focusing on your strengths.
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And then I even think about like the big leap where they talk about in the book, they talk about your um your zone of genius versus your zone of competence, right?
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This is your you being in your stuck in your zone of competence and just doing what you know you're effective at doing, but it's it's depleting you, it is totally burning you out.
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Yes.
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So yeah, it's like that's trying to find all of it.
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That's so fun.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm gonna just I love strength finding.
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I love strengthfinder.
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Yeah, I'm gonna go down such a rabbit hole after this, Alicia.
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Oh my gosh.
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Because I love all this stuff, like Enneagram, Myers.
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Yes, me too.
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Great ways to learn to understand how we think as individuals and how others think.
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Correct.
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Because we self-awareness is the greatest leadership tool that you can have.
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The more you know about yourself, the more you can operate in audacious confidence, as we talked about earlier.
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The more you can operate in confidence.
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Absolutely.
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That's great advice.
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And on that note, like we have a lot of members who are listening who often lead teams that you know that are leading teams, but also managing up, maybe two executives.
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How can someone use their cognitive strikes to navigate those demands without burning out?
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That is incredible in that question because there are these misnomers about certain strengths belong in certain roles, right?
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Because I get this question, this particular question a lot about well, I especially from entrepreneurs, well, I'm not a blank, so how can I be successful in that?
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It doesn't matter the strength that you have, it's how you utilize that strength in the role.
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You need to understand how you're utilizing those strengths.
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So a role that is designed so that you can design the role around you instead of trying to fit yourself into a role.
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So if the role requires a lot of, like if I wanted to go into a role and it required a lot of fact-finding, which I probably wouldn't go into that role anyway, because I would know that it would require a lot of fact-finding, I would make sure the people, the team around me that I have surrounding me have that strength, have that deep fact-finding strength.
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My strength is in the simplifying.
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The way that I gather and share information is give me the bullet points, give me the high level.
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If I need more, I'll ask for more.
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Yeah.
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Someone else might need a lot more detail than I do.
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So if I know I was going into a role that required getting a lot of that detail, I will surround myself with people that will get that detail.
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And I can stay in my zone of genius, in the simplifying.
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That's what that's that's the advice I would give.
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I love that.
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And I like that kind of looking at it as like breaking out of the mold in the lanes of like, this is your role, this is your title, these, this, this should be the strength that you leverage.
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It's more in like how understanding the role and how you leverage those strengths for it specifically, but it doesn't mean it's assigned to one or the other.
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Right.
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Um, which is fantastic.
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I love that.
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Let's talk a little bit too about the predictive index consulting that you do, a little bit about what PI is and maybe how that and the Kobe assessment kind of complement each other.
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Um, and and how do you use them to build stronger teams?
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Yes.
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Predictive index measures it measures needs, drives, and behaviors.
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And it's great for the workplace.
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So when I look at Colby, Colby is overall life.
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Like how do you operate in your life overall?
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PI is more focused and centered in the work environment.
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PI measures for things as well.
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PI measures someone's dry need, sorry, someone's need for uh extroversion, their need for dominance, their need for stability, their need for for um details as well, but in a different way.
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And so when we pair them, we're looking at now the affective behavior of someone and their cognitive needs as well.
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So I like using them together, but if I was using them separately, they can stand on their own as well.
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So if we're looking at how do we build a really great culture, I would use PI to help see how people interact with each other, who's collaborative, who's dominant, who needs sociability, who needs to be more um work on their own, who needs to drive fast and and like push things ahead while someone else needs stability, who needs more structure, who needs more flexibility.
00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:35.039
So this is again working within the work environment, that's where PI shines really well.
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That's fantastic.
00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:44.000
And do you often find that the best teams are like a balance or a quantity of these certain things, or is it like a lot of the same?
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No, depending on what it is that you need.
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For instance, if I had a sales team and I needed them all to be like this particular conitive strength, I would be cloning everybody into this strength.
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If I needed a uh if I'm working on like a leadership team where we need diversity in strength, where we can hit all 12 of those strength points, then I'm looking for a team that has all those different strengths for diversity so that we're not all group thinking, we're not all um moving in the same direction and nobody is is pushing against how we're moving.
00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.640
So it depends on the situation how I would structure that team.
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Because a sales team operates individually, yeah, we don't necessarily always operate together.
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Right.
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So it doesn't depend on time, yeah.
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Yeah, and sometimes they're competing against each other.
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So it just depends on what it is, the type of team that you have and what you need to thrive in that team.
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:51.680
Very cool.
00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:52.880
I have a bonus question.
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Like, how apropos are like leadership teams to taking these tests, learning them about themselves, like how do teams receive this information normally?
00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:03.680
Like, I'm kind of curious.
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Do you have any like stories about what the process has looked like and felt like for teams?
00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.880
Yes, actually, I'm going through it right now.
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Some teams were um, and I like to say assessment, not test, because when people hear test, some people freeze up because they think it's right or wrong.
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And I if I if I get it wrong, and and they they tend to come from it from a place of anxiety if they don't want a good test taker.
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It's an assessment, right?
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It's a tool.
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And some people don't have a problem with taking it, they'll take because we have several, especially in the Colby, we have the A, B, and C, which measures different things.
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So we're asking them to take these 36 questions over and over again.
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Some people absolutely hate it and resist it and they don't want to do it.
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Yeah, and some people embrace it.
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And those that hate it don't want to do it.
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When they get the result and we start going over it, they are loving it.
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It they're like, oh my gosh, you know, I had this, um, and I felt either they felt um bad about a certain strength that they have because it was misrepresented or mismiscommunicated, or they they were told they weren't supposed to be that way, and so now we've given them the freedom to embrace it and use it as a strength instead of what it was a perceived weakness, right?
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And so um there's a lot of breakthroughs that happen when when we start unpacking this with people and they're realizing the power of it and how they can operate and be and be free to be who they are and not feel uh this obligation to be something or someone else.
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.759
That's so true, and that's really what a lot of people are facing right now, right?
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Is a lot of burnout, misalignment, not feeling like they're in the right role, doing the right things, but a lot of times it is just a shifted mindset and understanding them and their motivations a little bit more clearly that then make them a better team player all around.
00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:13.759
And you know, I've definitely heard and seen similar stories with you know implementations of other assessments, but I can only imagine this one with the additional neuroscience behind it, how much more impactful that probably is.
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:20.640
And again, as we were saying, so many of us who are listening right now, and you and myself included, very much you know, assessment junkies.
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:22.960
We look at folks, right?
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.279
Yeah, and I do believe that self-awareness is what leads to confidence, right?
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Because when you know yourself, you know yourself and you don't have to pretend, right?
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:42.640
Yes, and I'll also say with PI, the beauty in PI, and I love using it for hiring, both tools are really good for hiring, they're they're amazing for hiring.
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PI, it's two questions, take you five minutes to do it, and I love using that in the hiring process because again, you're not asking your candidates to fill out a 36 question survey, they're answering two questions, and the science behind that is even is so remarkable as well, how accurate that is in those two questions that you ask.
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:06.000
So that's fantastic.
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I love it.
00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.480
Well, so with that self-knowing comes confidence, right?
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.359
Like, so you talk a lot about audacious confidence.
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.519
Obviously, that phrase carries a lot of weight.
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What does it actually mean to you?
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And how is it different from this whole kind of fake it till you make it mentality that honestly a lot of businesses and professionals try to carry?
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:27.200
Yes.
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So audacious confidence, it is that self-assurance that that that moving before doing, knowing, moving before knowing.
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It's about becoming.
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Say, I am not here yet, but I am becoming this, and I'm going to move into that space because I know that I know who I am.
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And even though I'm not there yet, I know who I am and I will get there.
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.519
So it's in that becoming um place.
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Fake it till you make it is more of uh, I'm gonna trick myself into feeling that into doing this because I don't really believe that I am.
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So there's a whole different um mindset of belief about audacious confidence versus the fake it till you make it.
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I love it.
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:25.680
It's a different kind of self-talk, right?
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Yeah, okay, I'm not perfect, I'm not there yet, but I am making the strides, I am making the steps.
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.960
And so it's like, you know, you do TEDx speaking, it's like the first time you step on stage.
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:43.039
Yeah, no, it's gonna be scary the first time because you've never done it before, but you are on that stage and it's going to get easier every time you do it.
00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:46.240
And so instead of saying I'm just gonna get up there and fake it, you're not faking it.
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I love that.
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You are actually doing it.
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You're doing it and becoming it, yes.
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:51.839
I love that mentality.
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.680
I think that's such a good mindset shift.
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:56.160
So, friends, listeners, I hope you wrote that one down.
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:57.039
That was a good one.
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:05.440
On the note of your TEDx talks, you center around overcoming body shame and advocating for your own um cancer treatment personally.
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:14.079
How did that deeply personal experience, and I love that you got vulnerable and shared that, shape your approach to leadership and how to help others step into their power?
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Because sometimes the most painful points in our life are become the power we have to give to others.
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:20.319
So, what was that like?
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:29.440
Well, first of all, uh I was not expecting to have to uh talk about my breasts on the stage.
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.279
And you know I was like, woo, let's go, let's go.
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:42.720
So um the the the journey itself, again, stepping into audacious confidence.
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If I had not done the work that I did to building myself up, when I was diagnosed, I would have had a completely different experience because I would have just done whatever the doctors told me to do.
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:12.160
Um, I was very much a people pleaser, very much um someone that didn't have a lot of self-confidence and really hid from my from the world.
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:52.480
I hid myself and going through the transformation that I did, believing in my own confidence, doing some of these assessments, knowing who I am, that when faced with a doctor telling me that the mastectomy is the only route for me to go, and this is where my gut, you talked about gut, but beyond my gut, my faith, my belief, you know, I have a strong faith in God, I have a strong belief, I listened to that voice, and that voice connected to my inner voice, and said no.
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:58.319
And I had the courage to step forward and say, No, I think there's another way.
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There is another way, and and advocated for myself to find that other way.
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And I'm not saying that this is what everyone needs to do.
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:19.519
Right, the stage that my cancer was in, the type of cancer that I had, gave me the confidence to make that decision.
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:29.920
Some people might be in a different stage with a different type of cancer that doesn't afford them the luxury of making the kinds of decisions I made.
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.160
So I'm not giving anyone medical advice.
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:41.440
I am telling you though, if you feel something inside, if that still small voice inside is like, uh, I'm not sure, push.
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.519
Yeah, ask questions.
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:56.240
Don't just do everything they tell you to do, because remember, this is medical practice, they're still practicing, they're still finding out, they're still researching, and so you can ask you, you can ask questions.
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:01.920
This is your body, this is your your life, and you can ask questions.
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:09.279
And so, in when that if I look at that through the lens of leadership, it's the same thing.
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.400
Ask questions, be curious, push back.
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.359
Yeah, you know, though those are the things that we have it within our control.
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.079
And the worst thing someone could tell you is no, exactly.
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:26.240
So why not?
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Yeah.
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So I chose the route that that felt most aligned to what I wanted the outcome to be and not what the doctors what they wanted their outcome to be.
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.519
That is amazing, and and good for you.
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:48.480
I think you know that could be a one with our podcast recording, is just women advocating for themselves within healthcare.
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:55.599
It's such a uphill battle with a limited amount of research we have on women's bodies and understanding women's bodies in general in medicine.
00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:08.640
So you really do have to, and I think you're right, that knowing I'm I'm definitely starting to learn over the last maybe a few months, even how much our our subconscious and our body know before our conscious mind does.
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:09.359
Yeah.
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:15.599
And learning about things like neuroception and all these different things that I'm it's it's blowing my mind to know.
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:24.720
And so it's making me definitely slow down and be more intentional about listening, like you said, to that inner voice, albeit yourself, albeit God, whatever.
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.319
Like, I think that's something that we as women um we need to start to.
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Ignore it.
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:29.759
We do.
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:37.440
We've been taught to ignore it, and we're giving our time, our energy, our money, our health, even our lives in some instances, right?
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:44.240
Because we just are gonna be like, I'll just go with whatever the doctor says and not trust what my body is telling me.
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.799
Um, and like you said, not necessarily medical advice.
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:53.039
Obviously, do your research, listen to your experts, but also like you have choice, you have agency, right?
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.920
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah.
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.440
You do love it.
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.079
I love it.
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.599
Well, good on you for getting up and talking, getting up on stage and talking about rest.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.559
It's all good.
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.839
It's all good, I mean, it's all good.
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:05.759
It's a part of life.
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We gotta tell you.
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It is.
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.119
And I, you know, we you talked about faking it till you make it earlier.
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:29.119
It's um, I realized that through this work of audacious confidence, that who I am is not broken as I used to believe it was, and that my voice matters, my experiences matter.
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:39.200
And if I don't step up and say something or do something for the next woman, then her voice is shut down too.
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:52.799
So um it's our responsibility, each and every one of us have a responsibility to share our stories, to share ourselves, to step out and talk to each other about our experiences.
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.480
Our mothers, well, I'm from the generation, I'm Gen X.
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.279
Our mothers didn't talk to us.
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.039
They didn't talk to us and share anything with us, right?
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.359
So it's our responsibility.
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:12.960
I have two daughters and a son, and my two girls, I make sure to talk to them about doing their breast self-exams.
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.119
Don't wait for the doctor till you go there.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.160
Do it for yourself.
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.559
Understand what it feels like so that when something doesn't feel right, you know.
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:21.519
Yeah, right.
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.480
So yeah, we have to be our best advocates.
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100%.
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.680
And I think modeling that for your kids is tremendous.
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.200
It's like it's such an amazing gift.
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:33.200
And I agree with you that I have kids that are nine and twelve, so they're a little bit younger.
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:40.079
But I mean, honestly, like it we try to make all this stuff such a big deal, but it is a part of like who we are as humans, as lives.
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.359
We have bodies, things happen.
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:53.680
It's like, and if you try to treat it any other way, it's like it doesn't need to be taboo because it's points, it likely happen to, you know, one out of three of us or one out of five of us, or half of us, you know, what you know, depending on whatever that is.
00:32:53.920 --> 00:33:00.960
And so the more we can open up that door and be open and honest about it and share that experience, you know, the better our kids can advocate for themselves as well.
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.319
So I love that you're doing that for them.
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.400
And it's like, you know, if you're struggling as a woman to find a reason to do it for yourself, there you go.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:07.920
Do it for those around you.
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.160
Yeah, but ultimately yourself.
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.039
All right.
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.079
Um, so I love this next question.
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:25.279
Um, because I feel like a lot of us still work in like very high, like fast-paced digital marketing, advertising agencies, companies, startups, like we were talking about the hustle culture earlier.
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:35.680
And it feels like even within just life right now, because life's been life in for a lot of us, I feel like, and it feels like we're just constantly in reaction mode instead of leading.
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.880
Where does she start to find her flow?
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.519
Will some of these assessments and understandings help her and in what fashion?
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:44.960
Absolutely.
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:56.000
You have to understand what energizes you, what drains you, what things interest you, and what things you're not interested in.
00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:00.559
And get put the resources around you to support you.
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:09.599
So by doing some of these assessments, you absolutely will understand how your brain functions, how it operates, how you feel about things.
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:18.400
Um, motivation, desires, and motivations are the strongest, are the strongest um drivers for us.
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:25.039
If we're not motivated, if we're not, if we don't desire to do something, we're just not going to be into it.
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.000
We're like a dry piece of cardboard.
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:36.960
So lean into the things that you desire, the things that you're motivated, understand how your brain operates, because sometimes our motivation drives us down the wrong path.
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.079
We'll be all motivated, we'll jump in and then realize I don't have the energy to complete this.
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:49.519
So make sure that you put the right resources around you so that you can carry things to the finish line.
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:50.480
I love it.
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:56.559
I think that's um another common phrase we throw around here is like we end up shoulding all over ourselves.
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.480
Like, I should do this, I should do that.
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.000
Like, this is definitely one of those ways to get out of shoulding yourself.
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:02.800
Correct.
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:03.360
Correct.
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:04.159
Absolutely.
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:04.800
I love it.
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:05.599
I love it.
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:14.000
And I would also say, as someone who's very high functioning, overachieving as well, it's like, but does this need to be the thing that I chase and that I do?
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.280
Is it an alignment?
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.880
Am I really gonna get to the top of the summit and be all like happy?
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.679
This is my moment, this is where I was meant to be, or am I gonna be like, eh, okay, next, you know?
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:24.079
Yeah.
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:26.239
Why did I work so hard for that?
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:46.880
Yeah, we have something called a commitment clarifier that really looks at all three parts of your mind and and lets you know it's it's kind of just a grid that tells you the things that you want to do and what aligns to it and whether or not this is a priority for me to do now and how can I get support around it.
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:55.119
So it just sometimes when you put things out on paper and you look at it, you can see, oh, I really shouldn't be doing this.
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:09.280
Because it's so when you re when you um complete that commitment clarifier, you can see what you really where your your uh commitment should lie and the things that you need to outsource.
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:10.159
Yeah.
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:11.599
I love it.
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:12.159
All right.
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.199
So my last question before we go into the power round, and listeners, if you have any questions, drop them into the chat.
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:25.760
What does leading look like from instinct for pro in practice for someone who spent years kind of just being rewarded for the grind?
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.800
Because it feels like right now that's sometimes all we get the acknowledgement for.
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.639
How do you rewire that pattern?
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:49.199
When you if you go ahead and you take the Colby assessment and you recognize where you've been grinding and hustling outside of your natural instinct and those natural strengths, you can start slowly shifting by understanding, you know what?
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.599
Yes, when I do that, I do get tired.
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:59.760
I am exhausted, I am a little chippy, I do get a little bit more um, you know, frayed on edge.
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.440
So maybe I pull back a little bit on that until I can find support to take that over completely.
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:17.760
So you start to realign by the first question you asked me is about how your body feels by going back into your own history and seeing, huh?
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.400
Yeah, when I when I do this, this is what happens, and now I see why.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:31.440
This result here shows me why this happens, and then you can start making those changes yourself because it becomes you can build awareness around it.
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.239
Yeah.
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:33.199
I love it.
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:33.840
I love it.
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.440
I'm so excited for all of this stuff.
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:43.280
All right, for anyone who's listening and is learning out as hard as I am and want to get started on these things, where do they begin and how do they find and connect with you?
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.719
So they can go to alysia360.com.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.679
That's my first name, 360, and they'll find all my contact info there.
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.599
They can WhatsApp me, they can email me, they can connect with me on all social media.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.559
It's right there on that.
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.079
Fantastic.
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.800
I'm sure you'll be having some folks following up with you.
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.519
All right, on to the power round then.
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What is one thing high performers should stop doing immediately?
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.880
Oh, the grind.
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.679
They should stop shitting all over themselves.
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.400
That's for sure.
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:17.039
Yeah.
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:17.599
Uh-huh.
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.079
Yep.
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Just halt.
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Slow it down.
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Slow it down and learn a little bit more about how your brain is wired to operate.
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I love it.
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All right.
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Kobe, PI or gut instinct, which one do you check in first thing in the morning?
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I check in with my spirit first thing in the morning.
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Like that's the first thing.
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Yeah.
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Love it.
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I like that.
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Great answer.
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Finish this sentence.
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Audacious confidence is not about being fearless.
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It's about being committed to your own growth and committed to yourself, like being yourself.
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I love it.
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It always throws me off when people are like, our fearless leader.
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I get called that a lot.
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And I do appreciate it, but I always tell them, I'm like, guys, I'm not fearless.
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Like I'm always afraid.
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I just do it anyways.
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You're committed to becoming that.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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You're committed to becoming more than you are today.
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And that that's audacious confidence.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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All right.
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My last one I've got for you is what is the boldest thing that you've done that your instincts told you was exactly right?
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There's so many.
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Uh, becoming an entrepreneur was one.
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And refusing certain medical treatments, I think that was the boldest thing I ever did, telling my doctor no and finding a new doctor.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Oh my gosh, we've we've preached that before here about firing doctors when you need to.
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Yeah.
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I think that's probably the boldest thing I did since we talked about that.
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Yeah, that's fantastic.
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Well, Alicia, thank you so much for this conversation.
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This is exactly the kind of clarity and honesty that our community needs.
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It's a good reminder from instinct isn't a luxury, and that strategy is something to know.
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Our members will be definitely sitting with that long after today.
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Um, if today's conversation resonated with you listeners, this is what Together Digital is all about.
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We have loads of professional development opportunities, peer groups, which are actually happening at the first of May.
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So be sure to check that out.
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So um, as always, it was wonderful to have you here.
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Alicia, thank you so much for this.
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It was so fun.
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Like I said, this is one more thing to go for me to go nerd out on a hard day.
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Um, so I know what I'm doing for lunch.
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Thank you.
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Talk again soon.
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Okay, take care.
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Thank you so much.
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See you all next time.
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Until then, keep asking, keep giving, and keep growing.
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