Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein's Death And The 38 Minute Gap In Reporting (10/18/26)

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Jeffrey Epstein's death was reported at 8.54 a.m. by Aaron
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Katursky for ABC News. The only problem with that is
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38 minutes prior to that post going public, Jeffrey Epstein's
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death was already announced on 4chan. The question is, who
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made the post on 4chan about Jeffrey Epstein's death? And
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I've looked and looked and looked, and there has been
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no follow-up reporting about this. So we had the initial
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story break on August 13th, and it was being reported
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that this post was made on 4chan. And we know
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that the FDNY, they initiated an investigation or a review
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into if it could have been one of their employees
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who made the post. Well, after that conversation with the
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chief of the fire department occurred where he said that
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they did the review and they found out that it
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was not one of them, well, the story pretty much
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just went away. We haven't heard anything about it. There's
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been no follow-up reports. There's been no media reports about it. Nothing.
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So I thought that we'd go back and we'd take
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a look at that post on 4chan with the benefit
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of hindsight. Now, again, I don't know what the deal is, right?
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And more than likely, it was probably somebody who was
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working the crime scene who, I guess, uses 4chan as well,
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who decided that they were going to break the story
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themselves and post as an anon on 4chan and basically
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scoop the media. Now that's the most likely scenario, right?
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But who knows? We don't have any evidence, really any
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reporting at all about this except for the initial story.
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So I thought it was a good idea to go
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back and have another look at this with hindsight as
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our tool that we can use. You know, now that
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we know so much about the case, when we go
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back and we take a look at it, maybe things
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will fall into place, right? Maybe we'll have a better
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idea of about who would be posting on 4chan and
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what that motivation would be. So again, More than likely,
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it was somebody who was working the crime scene. There
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was a bunch of people working the crime scene, obviously, right?
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So it was probably one of them who made the post.
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But that doesn't answer the question of who the person is, right?
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That's the likeliest scenario. But how come there was never
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any reporting about this after the fact? How come there
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was never no follow-up or no digging or anybody trying
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to figure out who the initial author was? I think
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it's pretty interesting that they just let this story die
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out because who knows? Whoever made that post might be
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able to add a little bit of perspective to the case,
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a little bit of context, right? So we're going to
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go back and we're going to check out the first article.
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It's a BuzzFeed News article. And we're going to see
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what they have to say. This article was first published
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August 13th, 2019. And this article was written by Jane... Litvinenko. Headline,
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Jeffrey Epstein's death was on 4chan before officials announced it,
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and authorities had to look into it. About 38 minutes
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before news outlets first reported Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison,
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a 4chan user published a detailed post about it. Now,
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that's pretty concerning in the best of times, right? Very
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concerning when you see something like that, and it looks
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like a breach from the inside, an employee more than likely,
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but again, who knows? And you see this kind of thing,
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and A, it's very unprofessional, right? And B... You have
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to ask yourself, why would somebody that's in the middle
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of doing this work, you know, trying to resuscitate Epstein
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or showing up to the crime scene, what's their motivation
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for posting it on 4chan? And that's a question I've
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asked myself time and time again when I've looked back
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at this part of the case and pondered who it
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could be and what their motivation was making that post.
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And again, more than likely, it was probably just somebody
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at the crime scene, right? Somebody who is, you know,
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not so serious about their job, obviously, and who decided that,
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you know what, I'm going to shitpost real quick to
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4chan and I'm going to scoop the media. That's... When
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I first looked at this, this is the scenario I
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came up with, and still, going back and looking at it,
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I'm still leaning towards that as the scenario of the
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origination of this post. But I think it deserves further examination,
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and I think there's definitely a question to be asked
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as to who the author was. New York City Fire
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Department looked into whether an employee posted about Jeffrey Epstein's
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death on a notorious internet message board prior to officials
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announcing it to the public. BuzzFeed News has learned. After
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telling BuzzFeed News the post was under review, an FDNY
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spokesperson said authorities determined this alleged information did not come
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from the fire department. Alright, so it didn't come from
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the fire department. What about the correctional officers that were
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on the scene? What about, you know, anybody else who
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might have been there? Who's the doctor? I think this is,
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you know, something that should not have been ignored. And
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if somebody who is working the scene and working as
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an employee of the jail system, I think that people
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should act and conduct themselves correctly when it comes to
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something like this so that there can be no outs
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for people like Epstein and their lawyers, right? You know,
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what if Jeffrey Epstein would have survived this and they
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would have conducted their investigation and the resuscitation and all
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of that stuff and they would have done it in
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a manner that was considered sloppy? You don't think Jeffrey
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Epstein's attorneys, led by Alan Dershowitz, would have had a
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field day with that and found a loophole to get
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him some less time or whatever? Because that's how they
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play this game. When you're dealing with somebody like Epstein
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and you're dealing with somebody that's as powerful as he
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is when it comes to his manipulation of the courts,
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you have to make sure that you have an ironclad
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case and you're following the rules to a T. And
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we know... From everything that went on the day of his,
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of Epstein's death, we know that literally no steps were followed.
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There was no pictures of the crime scene, video, I mean,
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video footage, body cam footage by the officers who responded.
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They moved the body. All sorts of bad stuff happened, right?
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So this is just another question that has not been answered.
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An investigation is a formal act which brings about a
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process which includes interviewing witnesses, serving notice, determining credibility of
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witness statements, and that was not warranted, nor did it
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take place here. This determination was made after a review
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of the incident. We looked at the information provided by
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a reporter and we looked at our own records and
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there was no match, said FDNY spokesperson Frank Dwyer, who
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added that the FDNY's Office of Healthcare Compliance conducted the review.
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It doesn't match our medical records. Almost 40 minutes before
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ABC News first reported Epstein's death on Twitter, someone posted
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still unverified details on 4chan, the anonymous message board popular
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with far-right trolls and white nationalists. I think that they
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could probably tone that back a little bit, right? How
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about a popular message board with all sorts of radicals
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and whack jobs? I mean, have you ever dipped your
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toe into 4chan? If you're looking for a, uh... a
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look into the human psyche of the incel or the psychopath,
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definitely 4chan would be the place to go. I'm talking
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if Sigmund Freud was alive and he went to 4chan,
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he would have a field day. The Post. Don't ask
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me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago
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from hanging and cardiac arrest. Screencap this. Read the post,
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which was published at 8.16am alongside an image of Pepe,
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the green frog that has become a mascot for right-wing
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internet trolls. And again, the BuzzFeed obviously has their political bent, right?
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Obviously has their own bias. And of course, if they
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get a chance to slam the football down and score
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some political points by... pointing out that right-wing trolls hang
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out on 4chan, well, they can never help themselves. They
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have to do it. So, they have to make sure
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they slam the football down and make sure that they're
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doing their part to keep the tribalism in play. Meanwhile,
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none of that's necessary. Just give us the information and
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don't try and divide the people. Let the people come
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together and... and force justice in the case right but
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even when they're they're reporting on something as serious as
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this at a place like buzzfeed it has to be
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skewered it has to be has to have a political
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bend right and it's no different from other outlets on
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the right you know breitbart etc etc it's all the
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same thing and what it is folks and why i
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pointed out is just more gaslighting it's more gaslighting by
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the the legacy media them trying to get you to
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think a certain way That message was posted 38 minutes
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before the first tweet about Epstein's death from Aaron Katursky,
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an ABC News reporter, at 8.54 a.m. Five minutes later,
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the main ABC News account tweeted an article about Epstein's death.
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After publishing the post, other 4chan users egged on the author.
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So that's interesting, right? The details that the poster posted
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afterwards match up with what happens at a scene like this,
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suggesting that it was a medical worker or somebody that
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was a medic or with training. Now, who knows who
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else was around? Do we have a full accounting of
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who was in that cell when Epstein was being resuscitated?
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Maybe there was a doctor there that we didn't know about.
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Could be, right? We don't know. That's the problem, folks.
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That's the biggest problem here. There has not been any
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transparency when it comes to the government. There has been
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zero transparency when it comes to the circumstances that led
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to Jeffrey Epstein's death. And therefore, in lieu of that,
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there is going to be questions. There's going to be skepticism.
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Nobody's going to believe that... The narrative that they're trying
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to push when the only person who's seen these supposed
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tapes is Barr, right? Of what was going on in
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the cell. I saw the tapes. You can trust me
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that nothing occurred. Sorry, buddy. I don't trust you. You
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see all these coincidences that are around Jeffrey Epstein's death?
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It warrants more investigation, and it certainly warrants more than, uh,
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you have to trust me and believe me. Especially when
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all of the players that are involved in this are
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at the highest levels of power. How do we know
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that you're not covering for them? Nobody's gonna trust just
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your word on something like this, right? And, again, we
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don't know who was at the scene. We don't have
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a detailed listing, we don't have an account of the
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actual personnel that showed up when Epstein supposedly killed himself.
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We don't have those details. So it's muddy. It could
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be anybody. It could be a fireman. And the review
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missed it. It could be a medic. And the review
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missed it. It could be an employee of the prison.
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And the review missed it. Who knows who it was?
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And that's the question I'm asking. Who could have possibly
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made this post? And why has it not been of
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interest enough to the legacy media for them to come
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back and take another look at this? Dwyer told BuzzFeed
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News he could not verify the accuracy of the information
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in the 4chan post, but he said any medical professional
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who divulges patient information without consent is in violation of
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a federal health privacy law, HIPAA, and that FDNY would
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look into it. Again, another case of the investigated investigating themselves.
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You know, don't get me wrong. The fire department in
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anywhere in the world is filled with brave souls, right?
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Absolute modern day heroes. Anyone who runs into a building
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that's on fire has a big set on them and
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deserves respect, right? So I'm not talking about the actual
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firemen here, but when you get into the bureaucrats, look,
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this is big business, man, especially in a place like
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New York. It's big business when you become the chief
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or you're the head of the fire department. You're no
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longer a man that's running into buildings. You're in a
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different circle, right? You're in another food range at this point.
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You're dealing with politics. You're dealing with politicians, city councilmen, etc., etc. So,
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of course, they're going to lean on you and they're
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going to suggest that you move things in a forthright manner. And,
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you know, look... These guys are not above being pressured, right?
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You're a police chief, whatever it may be. These guys
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are pressured all the time. We see it all the time.
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And it was, that's probably what was happening here as well. They,
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you know, they were pressured to get initiated in a
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review and they probably did a review, but not a
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long one, not a good one, not one that, that
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truly vetted everybody that was there. Kind of just like
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a safe face review, in my opinion. The department will
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review this incident, he said at the time. The FDNY
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later said that it is reviewing the incident, but there
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is no investigation. That's interesting, huh? Just a review that
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didn't even warrant enough for an investigation, huh? Even if
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it was just something as... as... basic as one of the,
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the medics or the fire department, uh, guys that were
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on scene or a police officer or corrections officer, I
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should say, even if it was something like one of
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them made the post, then that should, you know, they should,
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they should say that they shouldn't conduct this shoddy review
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and then come out and say, oh, well, we don't
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know who made the post. Because that doesn't really cut it, right?
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There were only certain people that were there, so there's
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a list of people that it could have been. I
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just don't understand how this doesn't warrant more investigation to
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find out who made the post. Oren Barzilay, the president
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of the Union for EMT Workers Local 2507 in New
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York said, Our members do not release this type of
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confidential information. This looks like third-party info. Alright, well, what
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third parties were there? Again, that's the question I have.
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Doesn't mean that there was something devious going on with
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this post, or that it was part of a grand conspiracy.
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But it certainly warrants further investigation and for some context, right,
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and some clarity going forward. This is another problem I
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have with the legacy media. They like to report stuff
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and then never go back and do a follow-up. And
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what they do is they just, you know, keep it
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moving and they act like it wasn't important or it
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wasn't a useful piece of information in the case and
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they just bury it. And I don't understand why they
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would do that and not try and figure out where
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this post originated. I think that that would be an
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interesting investigation, and the person who wrote the post, I
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think that would be one hell of an interview. Bargeley
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also told BuzzFeed News the union would investigate the potential
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breach of confidentiality if such a claim came forward. There's
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serious consequences for those violations. Discipline, suspensions, civil penalties, etc.,
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Barzillet said in an email. Oh, yeah, we can tell.
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We can tell that you guys really initiated an investigation, huh? Again,
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nothing against the union, right? They have to protect their members.
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I get it. But where is the independent oversight of
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all of these bureaucracies? There is none. It's supposed to
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come from Congress or the city council locally, but we
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never see that. They're too busy advancing whatever their own
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motivations are, whatever their own private, personal projects might be.
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They don't have time for oversight. Oversight? Yeah, right. They'll
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conduct their own investigations. And then when something horrible happens
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and someone like Jeffrey Epstein dies in jail, the finger
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starting point begins, right? They start blaming each other. Oh,
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this part of the department was lax or this part
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of the department didn't do their job when we know
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it's a systematic problem. The whole entire thing, from top
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to bottom, is broken, including the two-tier justice system. When
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are we going to address that? When are we going
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to fix that? The Medical Examiner's Office and the Metropolitan
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Correctional Center both declined to comment. Spokespeople for the New
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York Presbyterian Hospital have not responded to repeated emails and
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calls requesting comment. That's interesting. I don't have any evidence
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of anybody who could have made this post, right? But
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in my opinion, I bet you it came from the
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medical examiner's office. It sounds like something from a medical
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examiner's office, in my opinion. Now, who that could be,
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I have no idea. And if that's even the case,
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I have no evidence to prove that. That's from reading
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this and knowing about the circumstances surrounding this. In my opinion,
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that's the likeliest place for this leak to have originated.
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The full details of Epstein's death won't be known until
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the final coroner's report is released, meaning the 4chan post
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laying out the alleged treatment he received cannot be fully verified.
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An EMS expert contacted by BuzzFeed News said the details
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in the post are consistent with standard practices. And again,
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they're trying to make it seem here like, you know,
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we still can't verify what happened afterwards, the stuff that
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the poster talked about afterwards. But I think while that's important,
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the biggest thing here is the fact that the poster
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broke the story before Legacy Media. 38 minutes before Legacy Media.
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Where did he get that information? As we all know,
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the legacy media is on everything. Something salacious like this,
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they have contacts everywhere. The fact that they were scooped
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for so long, it's crazy to me to think that
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they didn't get their claws on the story first and
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they were scooped by 4chan. Information released by the Federal
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Bureau of Prisons also appears to line up with some
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of what was posted on 4chan. Again, it, look, In
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my opinion, there's zero doubt that this post originated from
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the site of Jeffrey Epstein's death, from the jailhouse. Now,
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the question is, who made the post, right? That is
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the whole point of tonight's episode, and the whole point
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of the question that I'm asking is, who could have
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possibly made this post, and why has there not been
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more of an investigation into the origination of this post? Dr.
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Keith Wesley, an emergency medicine physician who has authored several
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EMS textbooks and articles, viewed the 4chan post at BuzzFeed
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News' request and said it lays out standard procedures for paramedics.
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This sounds like standard American Heart Association guidelines, which most
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EMS agencies use, Wesley said. Parts of the post refers
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to telemetry-advised bicarb. According to Wesley, this could mean the
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first responders were also speaking with the hospitals as they
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were trying to resuscitate their patient. That's pretty interesting, right?
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They were talking to the hospital according to that post
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and they were seeking guidance, right? They were in the
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field and they were seeking guidance from doctors as these
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medics attempted to resuscitate Jeffrey Epstein. Telemetry implies the paramedics
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were in contact with a medical control hospital who then
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gave orders to give sodium bicarbonate, bicarb, which is designed
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to reverse the acid buildup in the blood from prolonged
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cardiac arrest, Wesley said in an email. So here was
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the follow-up post by the anon who sent the original
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post about Epstein being dead. Worked as a stall arrest
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for 40 minutes. ALS intubated in the field EPI 2
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liters NS infused. Telemetry advised bicarb and D50 in the field.
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Patient transported to lower Manhattan ER and worked on for
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20 minutes and called. Hospital administrator was alerted preparing statements.
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So that was the follow-up post to the original post
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where they stated that Epstein was dead, right? So they
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added this later on. I don't know how much. Let's
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see what time later. This was added about 84756. So still,
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this post, the second post that he made was still
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seven minutes roughly before ABC scooped, I mean before ABC
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came out and reported the news. So that's pretty interesting, right?
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This poster fired off two posts about Epstein's death before
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ABC News even picked it up. If one of the
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medics posted this separately, that's a breach of protocol, he added.
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If there was identifying information on the patient, that is
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a violation of federal HIPAA law. The 4chan user made
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six posts about Epstein's death. One of them claimed that
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attempts to resuscitate Epstein was made for 40 minutes before
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he was transported to the hospital, at which point medical
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personnel tried to revive him for another 20 minutes. Those
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details are at least partially consistent with the information regarding
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Epstein's death that have been publicly released by the Federal
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Bureau of Prisons. So I think it's pretty fair to
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say at this point that the person who made that
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post was in the know. They knew what was going on.
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They had an idea, a very good idea of the
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situation on hand, and they knew exactly what went on,
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meaning the steps that were taken to try and resuscitate
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Epstein and bring him back to life after he was
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found unresponsive in his cell, which suggests to me a
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medical professional of some sort. PT transported to Lower Manhattan
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ER and worked on for 20 minutes and called. Hospital
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administrator was alerted, preparing statements, said the 4chan post. Staff
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requested emergency medical services and life-saving efforts continued, said a
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statement released by the Department of Justice Federal Bureau of
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Prisons on Saturday. Mr. Epstein was transported by EMS to
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a local hospital for treatment of life-threatening injuries and subsequently
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pronounced dead by hospital staff. So you see how it
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adds up, right? This is what the poster originally said,
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and then you have the Department of Justice giving us
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their very cryptic releases, like usual, just enough information, right?
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It's unbelievable how much they keep back from the American public.
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It is unbelievable how they play games with the American public.
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It's not clear who posted the news of Epstein's death
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on 4chan, but first responders and hospital staff would have
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access to information laid out in the post. The reaction
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of 4chan to the news was explosive. Some users didn't
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believe the author, while others launched straight into conspiracy theories
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that have since engulfed news of Epstein's death. The 4chan
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thread was first found by Conrad Iturbi, a developer based
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in Barcelona who was researching conspiracies surrounding Epstein Online. That'll
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keep the conspiracies forever, Iturbi said about the 4chan post.
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And again, look folks, I don't have any information that's
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saying that this is some kind of, you know, huge
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part of the case or anything like that. This isn't
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like a piece of information that's going to blow this
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case wide open. But it's very interesting that nobody has
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reported on this since we have no news reports about
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who the post might have been made by, no follow-up
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stories about it. And it's pretty significant that a story
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as big as this was broke on 4chan as opposed
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to by the legacy media. Pretty amazing, in my opinion. Now, again,
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all signs lead to a medical professional being... the person
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who posted this. Now the question would be, who were
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the medical professionals that were on scene? And of course,
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we don't have that information, so we can't even begin
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to speculate. All I can say is that this post
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definitely was made on 4chan before Jeffrey Epstein was dead.
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This post called it before Jeffrey Epstein was dead, and
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then went into the procedures that were supposedly used on
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Jeffrey Epstein to try and resuscitate him. And this was
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all before ABC even reported that the guy was dead.
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Crazy times we're living in, folks. Crazy times that we
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are living in. There are so many different rabbit holes
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to go down in this Jeffrey Epstein case that it's
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mind-boggling that every single time you think that you have
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a question answered in this case, another one arises. So again, folks,
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what do you think? Who do you think could have
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been the author of that post? It could have been
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a medical professional, maybe one of the guards. What do
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you guys think? You can shoot me an email at
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BobbyCapucci at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. What's up, everyone?
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And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In today's episode,
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we're going to hear from a woman named Judith Miller,
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who served time at the MCC and was also an
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inmate in the federal prison system. And she has a
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few opinions about Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide and what went
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down in that jail cell. This article is from Eye
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on the News. And like I said, the author is
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Judith Miller. It was originally posted on August 11th. of 2019.
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Here are a few things I know firsthand about being
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in jail. First and foremost, you have virtually no control
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over your life and surroundings. You can't get so much
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as an aspirin without authorization. In most jails, you can't
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wear a belt or shoelaces or keep a razor in
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your cell. You have no privacy, no sense of dignity,
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and no rights. In a well-run jail, high-profile prisoners have
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virtually no chance of killing themselves. That is a fact.
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When a jail is run efficiently and a facility is
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run with care and people take the time in positions
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of power to make sure they're doing the right thing,
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inmates shouldn't be killing themselves. And even at the MCC,
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with it being such a damn dump, it wasn't like
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this was a big problem there. Like a whole bunch
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of people were killing themselves on a regular basis, and
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it was causing all kinds of, you know, grief in
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the system. That's not what was occurring. So to pitch
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Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide as just, you know, a shrug
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of the shoulders and, well, it was expected, is ridiculous
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to me. So the alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, the
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66-year-old pedophile with powerful American and foreign friends, who is
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about to stand trial for allegedly sexually abusing dozens of girls,
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many of them underage, is particularly unfathomable and outrageous. In
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a letter to the Justice Department, Republican Senator Ben Sasse
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of Nebraska called it inexcusable that Epstein did not live
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to face his accusers. For all of Ben Sasse's jawing
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and all of his yip-yapping, I haven't seen him do
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one single thing about bringing a commission together here to
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listen to what happened. Can we get a full account
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about what happened with Jeffrey Epstein, please? And let's not
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act like it was just, you know, a regular old
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trafficking ring. This is a man who is connected to
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the most powerful people in the world, and all of
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that needs to be exposed. Obviously, heads must roll, he wrote.
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Attorney General William Barr clearly agrees, saying that he was
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appalled to have learned that Epstein was found dead at 6.30 a.m.
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on Saturday morning at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, MCC, in
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Lower Manhattan. Barr instructed the department's inspector general to investigate
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precisely how Epstein died at MCC, a long troubled pretrial
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detention facility. So all of the talk, right? Heads are
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going to roll. People are going to be held accountable.
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Nobody has been held accountable. And even the lowly guard
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to quote unquote, fell asleep while they were watching Epstein.
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ended up getting off scot-free. So you didn't even get
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low-hanging fruit here. They're basically telling you to go get
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effed as the public. You're never going to get any information.
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And if you ask about what happened here, we're going
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to have our lapdogs over at NPR call you a
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conspiracy theorist. It's basically what's going on. And the fact
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that anyone would believe Bill Barr is just beyond me.
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I remember having this conversation with conservative friends when Bill
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Barr was brought on board by Donald Trump and people
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saying how great he was, how he's been around forever,
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like that's a good thing, and how he's part of,
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you know, the fabric of the justice system. as if
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that's a good thing again I equate it to one
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of those retread coaches in the NFL a Wade Phillips
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type you keep bringing this guy in expecting different results
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and then when shit goes south well who do you
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have to blame but yourself Epstein was placed on suicide
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watch on July 23rd after being found semi-conscious in his
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cell with marks on his neck in what prison officials
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described at the time as a failed suicide attempt. He
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was removed from suicide watch six days later on July
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29th and returned to the segregated area of the prison
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with extra security known as the Special Housing Unit. why
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Epstein was removed from Suicide Watch, is a focus of
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the DOJ investigation. You know, it's crazy. Okay, that's a
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focus of the investigation, but not the fact that he
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was in the cell when the alleged suicide happened, or
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attempt happened, with Nicholas Tartaglione. That's not something you want
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to investigate? How old, uh, big muscle... Ape Gorilla guy
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got into the jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein? We're just
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going to ignore that fact? And that's why for the
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last few days we've been hammering home the point that
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nobody has answered the question of why Epstein was in
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the cell with Tartaglione in the first place. While officials
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from the department's Bureau of Prisons, which supervises the MCC
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and other federal prisons, have said little about Epstein's death,
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other than to claim that Epstein hanged himself, Officials told
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me Sunday that the prison psychological team had evaluated Epstein
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on a daily basis after his alleged initial suicide attempt
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and had found him to be no risk to himself
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or to others. And you see, these are the little
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facts that we seem to overlook in the legacy media
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and with their official narrative. At no point did Epstein
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seem suicidal to anybody that was around him. Psychologists, his lawyers,
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or the people that were visiting him on a regular basis.
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So it's kind of a big stretch to say to me, well,
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the guy's obviously suicidal. He tried to kill himself the
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first time when there's no proof that that even occurred.
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So what you're asking me to do is believe the
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official narrative. And I have a hard time believing people
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that are unbelievable. So whatever other people want to do,
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that's fine. I'm not telling anyone else how they should
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think or what they should think about what went down here.
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I'm just pointing out that the official narrative has as
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many holes in it as a thing of Swiss cheese.
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But it's a big conspiracy theory to even point that out.
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Officials said that Epstein had met for many hours each
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day with his legal team and that both he and
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his lawyers had repeatedly assured the prison that he did
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not want to kill himself and had asked MCC to
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remove him from the suicide watch. Now, to play devil's advocate,
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that could have easily been a scheme by him saying, hey, look,
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I'm not suicidal. I don't have any desire to kill
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myself when he really does. And he was doing this
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all as a ruse so that he'd be off of
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suicide watch. It's plausible. It is possible. But unless there's
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some evidence that proves that, I'm not going to just
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bite on what the officials are telling us. The prison
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has yet to comment on whether prison officials believe that
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the initial July 23rd incident that landed Epstein on the
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suicide watch was, in fact, a genuine attempt to end
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his life. I do not think it was. Honestly, at
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this point, I am convinced that it was Nicholas Tartaglione
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who roughed him up. I truly believe that. Finally, officials said,
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at least one member of Epstein's legal team was with
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him until 6.30 p.m. on the Friday evening before his death.
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None of his legal team, Reid Weingarten, Marty Weinberg, Michael
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Miller or Mark Furnitch would comment about their client's emotional
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and mental state the night before his death and during
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the last six days of his incarceration. Now it's come
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out after the fact that none of these people thought
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that Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal. Nobody that he was talking to.
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Officials said that under the prison's rules and procedures, Epstein
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was supposed to be given a cellmate and monitored by
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prison guards every 30 minutes, 24 hours a day after
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being removed from suicide watch. So he had no cellmate
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and nobody was monitoring him. Nobody came and checked on him.
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So is it the perfect storm or was this all
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set up for Jeffrey Epstein to do what he did?
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And that's something we have to keep in mind, too.
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You know, were all of the factors put into place
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so that Epstein could take care of himself. Tartaglione sent
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in there to send a message. Again, this is all speculation.
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Just like what everybody else is talking about, by the way.
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Nobody knows what went on in that cell. Anybody who
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tells you with a surety that they do, well, they're
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lying to you. But for me, very easily, it could
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have been Tartaglione sent to that cell, sends Jeffrey Epstein
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a message by choking his ass and tells him, look,
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I'm going to kill you. Someone else is going to
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kill you if you don't kill yourself. That is very possible.
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That is a scenario that could have played out. And frankly,
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I think is one of the more likelier scenarios to
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have played out. But the fact is, we do not know.
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Prison experts believe that having a cellmate helps deter suicide.
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Neither officials nor Epstein's legal team would comment on whether
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those procedures were followed, but at least one official familiar
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with the episode said that they were not. None of
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them were followed. None of the regulations in prison or
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the steps required when something happens when someone dies were followed.
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The jail cell wasn't treated as a crime scene. There
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was no body camera footage of them going into the
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jail cell. All of it was a disaster. Now, I
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know people out there, they'll say, oh, it's just a
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systemic error. You know, everything's just broken. Well, if that
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is the take that you have on it, then are
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you just okay with it staying the way it is?
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Because nothing has been done to fix it. So if
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you're not going crazy that it's broken, then you must
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be okay that it is the way it is. Epstein
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had a cellmate before his initial alleged suicide attempt, but
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cellmate Nicholas Tartaglione, a former police officer facing murder charges,
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was not returned to share a cell with him after
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Epstein was placed on watch and then removed from the list,
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one official said. That official said that Epstein was alone
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in his cell for some time before his death, again,
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in violation of the prison's rules. They don't even talk
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about Tartaglione roughing Epstein up here. That is exactly what
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Epstein said. Remember, Nicholas Tartaglione roughed me up. If he
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wanted to, you know, the suicide watch situation, why would
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he say that? So again, it just doesn't make sense.
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And there are so many holes in the official narrative
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that questions have to be asked. If confirmed, such disclosures
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about what appear to be failures in Epstein's detention at
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MCC can only intensify questions and suspicions about his death.
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This facility is known for being deeply troubled, one official said,
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though others cautioned that the DOJ and the prison's own
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investigations were in its initial stages and that facts could
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change as the inquiry progressed, or they could get stashed
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if it's something that the DOJ doesn't like, something that's
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going to embarrass the DOJ. Imagine if the people of
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America had the ability to audit the DOJ the way
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the IRS can audit you. Boy, oh boy, that would
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change things, wouldn't it? My own relatively small brush with
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America's justice system was profoundly different from Epstein's. Unlike him,
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I was jailed voluntarily. Then a journalist with the New
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York Times, I chose to spend three months at Alexandria
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Detention Center near Washington in 2005 rather than identify my
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sources to an overzealous prosecutor pursuing the leaking of classified information.
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So they'll go after journalists, right? No problem. but they
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have a big problem going after their friends in the
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banking system. Tells you everything you need to know. Epstein,
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having escaped real incarceration for years since his first conviction
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in Florida in 2008 on state charges of solicitation of
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prostitution from a minor, had no choice but jail. After
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his initial conviction in Florida, however, he brokered a much-criticized
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deal that enabled him to avoid federal charges and spend
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only 13 months behind bars. Even then, he was permitted
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to leave jail to work at his office for up
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to 12 hours a day, six days a week, while
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he was still abusing people, by the way. According to
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all reports and all accounts, he was still abusing people.
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And why did the officer in Palm Beach that was
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assigned to him destroy a bunch of records? I don't
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want to digress too far here, but come on, man.
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Epstein was charged with new federal crimes on July 6th.
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after he returned from overseas and was arrested at Teterboro Airport.
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Federal District Court Judge Richard Berman deemed him a flight risk,
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given his vast wealth, many residences, and high-powered social connections,
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amongst them President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton, Prince
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Andrew of Britain, and Leslie H. Wexner, the retail billionaire,
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and denied him bail. Epstein was sent to await trial
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at MCC. And he should have been. Let's not make
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pretend he shouldn't have been there. That's exactly where he
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should have been. Waiting for... for trial where it was
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up to the do nothing prison guards and the shitty
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administration to make sure that this man faced justice and
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that didn't happen and still no consequences for the people
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involved Unlike ADC, a Virginia state-run jail, MCC is one
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of two federal pretrial facilities in New York City, this
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one in downtown Manhattan, two blocks from City Hall. Known
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as Manhattan's Guantanamo for holding prisoners charged with terrorist crimes,
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it has a poor reputation. In an article published by
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the Gothamist last year, Gene Theo Harris, a Brooklyn College
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political science professor who has written extensively about the conditions
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at MCC, called the facility an American gulag. She told
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the Gothamist, if I describe these conditions, filthy, freezing, no
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natural light, isolation so extreme that you're punished for speaking
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through the walls, absurd rules like prisoners not getting to
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see the newspapers unless they're 30 days old, secrecy so
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deep that people are force-fed, and lawyers can be punished
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for describing the conditions their clients are experiencing, You'd be
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forgiven for thinking that this was Iran or Russia. Look,
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the system is fucked. There is no doubt that it
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needs to be fixed. And there's a reason that they
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closed MCC. This place was an absolute dump. That said,
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it wasn't a place where a bunch of people were
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killing themselves. While both ADC and MCC are high-security detention
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facilities that hold high-profile prisoners, my own experience as inmate
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number 45570083 has led me to conclude that Epstein, inmate
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number 76318-054, should have lived to face his accusers, and
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that in a well-run prison, he would have. The ongoing
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investigation by the FBI, DOJ, Inspector General, and the prison
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itself will explore whether MCC is among the nation's worst-run
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federal pretrial facilities and or whether Epstein may have had
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some desire or unwanted help in ending his life and
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escaping his day in court. Now look, again, I'm not
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sitting out here telling you, oh yeah, he was definitely killed.
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I simply don't know, and I want answers. That is
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the root of all of it. I want answers, just
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like I know you do. I shun conspiracy theories, but
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based on the little that prison officials have said so
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far and what I know of life in jail, Epstein's
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death is deeply troubling. No one should die of unnatural
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causes in jail. In a well-managed facility, no one would.
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However lurid the charges against him and the perverse nature
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of his alleged crimes, the Epstein death behind bars should
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trouble every American. The investigation must not rest until what
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happened is revealed. Well, we know that's not the case,
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and we know that they say the investigation's ongoing. That
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way they don't have to give up any information. But
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what have we really seen from the investigators that really
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confirms the official narrative or their story of the official narrative?
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I haven't seen any receipts. And I certainly haven't seen
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anything that makes me say to myself, you know what?
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This really has legs. And this is more likely than this.
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Because as of now, I am very, very agnostic about
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what went down in that jail and in that jail cell.
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And until we have more evidence one way or the other,
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this will continue to be my position. All right, folks,
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it's going to do it for this one. If you'd
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like to contact me, you can do that at BobbyCapucci
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at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can also find
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me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
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