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00:00:13.679All right, Rachel Temaichek.
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00:00:34.159I'm excited to jump into some more races and covering kind of what's going on with the trail season because it's really kicked off now and uh we're kind of full swing in it.
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00:00:35.679Oh my gosh.
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00:00:40.640So many great performances, both international uh and and in the United States as well.
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00:00:43.119Uh, so many names, so many things to talk about.
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00:00:49.759I can't believe I feel like um, you know, at first when we started doing this, I was like, ah, you know, we'll have one, you know, we'll do one every month or something like that.
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00:00:57.200And then now I like as I'm as I started doing the research and talking about this, I felt like we were like completely overwhelmed with all the things to talk about.
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00:00:59.520There's just like a new sky raise every week.
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00:01:02.479Obviously, we're two races deep now and golden trail.
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00:01:06.959Um, obviously world, world mountain running as well, and and US races.
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00:01:09.200And it is just it's absolutely bananas.
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00:01:11.760There's there's a lot of things that have kicked off in the last few months.
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00:01:15.040And uh Yeah, I'm excited, excited to talk about some of this stuff.
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00:01:16.959Um what's new?
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00:01:17.680What what's new?
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00:01:19.680You're uh so you you came back from Europe.
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00:01:24.079You're uh you're obviously due very well within the next few months, right?
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00:01:27.200So what's any life dates, uh life updates on your end?
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00:01:38.719Yeah, well, I had so I was over in Europe for a race, and I had kind of this crazy scare that happened while I was racing, where I ended up going to the hospital.
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00:01:51.040I was having contractions um mid-race that um I've been cleared by my doctors to run and everything, but it was just kind of this wild thing um that happened during the race, and I'd never felt them before.
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00:01:56.159Um, but yeah, started having contractions and bleeding, almost gave birth in France, didn't.
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00:01:58.879Um the doctors and nurses were really great over there.
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00:02:02.239Baby's okay, I'm okay now.
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00:02:03.680We're back in the US.
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00:02:11.919Um, I can't run anymore through pregnancy, but I'm due in August, so it's really not that long of a time to take off.
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00:02:17.280And I can still hike and do some non-impact things and bike with friends while they're running and stuff.
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00:02:18.560So it won't be bad.
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00:02:22.719But yeah, that was a wild experience over in Europe for sure.
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00:02:23.759Oh my gosh.
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00:02:26.479And you were you were there for Sky Race Day Math Cent, correct?
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00:02:30.800Yeah, I was doing the 10K.
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00:02:33.520Um, so not the big sky race.
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00:02:36.719Uh, that's pretty long for me right now in pregnancy.
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00:02:38.240So I was just doing the 10K.
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00:02:40.159It was a pretty chill course.
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00:02:45.120Um, my husband, Drew, and I had run the course that week before, no problems.
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00:02:56.800And then I just got into the race and uh yeah, started cramping really badly really early on, stopped about a mile or a mile and a half into it, and then uh it just kind of escalated from there.
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00:03:00.479But yeah, I was in that area and it is gorgeous over there.
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00:03:09.439So um it was really cool to at least see a little bit of what that race is like and hopefully maybe go back to that race in the future because it looks sick.
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00:03:10.479Yeah.
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00:03:21.199Well, first of all, I think myself and all the audience we're so happy to hear that you're okay, everything's going better, and uh, you know, obviously clean bill of health and everything's good after that because it's quite a scare.
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00:03:22.240Oh my oh my gosh.
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00:03:23.680Thank you.
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00:03:25.599Yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely.
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00:03:31.680The reason I asked also is because Sky Race Sky Race Day Math Sin is a bucket list race for myself and I think a lot of audience members.
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00:03:35.599Quite a few people like friends and family that like I've known like have have raced it.
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00:03:38.159I just have never been over there.
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00:03:42.479So it's exciting to hear that it is a cool race and the atmosphere for that is is awesome as well.
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00:03:43.919So yeah, totally.
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00:03:45.680Yeah, how are you doing?
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00:03:47.759Living the dream.
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00:03:51.360Uh I just uh yeah, just getting back into the swing of things.
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00:03:54.400I had a family, a very close family member pass away over the last few weeks.
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00:04:01.360So just getting back into uh yeah, kind of nobody would know because I just keep pumping out podcasts, but I like pre-record.
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00:04:06.319I don't know if people know this, like I would pre-record everything and then get it out like a week within like a week or two.
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00:04:13.120So yeah, I didn't miss anything on that end, but uh had to make a quick trip out to the east coast uh to deal with some family stuff.
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00:04:15.759And yeah, it's what we just have Memorial Day.
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00:04:24.800So back in uh after that, and yeah, excited to um yeah, just kind of get back into the routine, get in the swing of things, get talking about you know the sport as well.
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00:04:26.560It was fun to follow along Zagama.
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00:04:30.720I probably that was probably the most fun I've had so far this season was kind of following Zagama.
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00:04:32.480I think that there was a lot of hype around that.
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00:04:34.000That was an exciting race.
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00:04:43.439Um obviously some of the US-based races were were pretty dope as well, but I'm I'm good hanging in there, training, you know, running around and not gonna race until July.
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00:04:46.480Uh are you going out to Broken Arrow?
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00:04:48.240Um, I'm not anymore.
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00:04:51.439I'm kind of grounded by my doctor in uh Boulder.
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00:04:52.800Smart, smart, smart.
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00:04:54.000Yeah, that's okay.
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00:04:59.279I think now it's kind of like um we don't really know when she'll come.
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00:05:00.639She could be really, really early.
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00:05:06.160She could go full term and it would be fine, but I kind of don't want a chance being out of town.
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00:05:08.800Um, yeah, because it was a little stressful.
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00:05:14.000But uh it would be better in the US somewhere else than uh over in Europe.
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00:05:16.959But yeah, definitely gonna stay around Boulder.
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00:05:19.040But glad to hear that you're doing well.
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00:05:20.800Sorry about the family stuff.
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00:05:26.000I hope that everything's okay and uh, you know, you had good time with your family.
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00:05:28.399No, I appreciate it.
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00:05:36.800Um I think the the first race that we kind of written down to talk about and kind of reflect on was the Gorge Waterfalls 30k.
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00:05:39.360Um obviously super deep on the American side.
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00:05:42.720Uh, this is a race that happens obviously every April.
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00:05:47.199So we're uh, you know, kind of just getting, I guess, mid to late May to recapping it.
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00:05:51.680Um, but I just wanted to reflect back on some of the deepness of that or the depth of that field.
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00:05:56.079Like Lauren Gregory um and Taylor Tuttle just absolutely duking it out.
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00:06:02.240Two Boulderites, two women you know uh very close to in the sport, as well as Riley Brady, another, another Boulderite.
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00:06:06.079I think that women's race was like super lights out for the 30k.
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00:06:19.439And then obviously we got to see Mason Copey uh do what Mason Copey does and uh have a lights out performance in addition to Grant Coligan and uh Liam Myro and Liam Myro going back to back on the 50K and then 30k.
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00:06:27.600Um or sorry, 30k the day before, 50k on Sunday, but just being able to go back to back uh two two lights out performances from these men and women.
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00:06:30.000So yeah, it's a cool race.
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00:06:39.279I think that uh day break break racing with Big Ulta Gorge Waterfalls, they're really, really taking off, and those races are becoming bigger and bigger.
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00:06:46.319So that's really fun to see in the sport and just fun to see some more races in the US become more and more competitive.
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00:06:48.720Yeah, I think so.
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00:06:52.800On the competition side, so this is something I just thought I said I kind of slipped and mentioned.
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00:06:57.040Like Lauren Gregory and Taylor Tuttle was a matchup I was like really looking forward to.
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00:07:03.279Like both women train, they're both extremely world-class, train out of the boulder area.
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00:07:08.639Um, I don't know if they trained, I think they some they have a lot of mutual friends, if not our friends and train together.
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00:07:11.759So this was something I was very interested in kind of seeing from the outside.
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00:07:16.560Did not reach out to either of them for comment before the race, just because I, you know, it's a weird media thing.
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00:07:18.079You don't want to ask too many questions.
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00:07:20.800Um, but the matchup like delivered, man.
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00:07:23.600Like they were very, it was a very close race.
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00:07:26.560And uh anybody could have gotten the win on that.
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00:07:32.800And uh uh Lauren Gregory to take that course record, like even with the wrong turn, it was pretty, pretty bananas.
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00:07:36.480Um, yeah, the women's race was just, I think that was kind of what stood out to me.
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00:07:40.879And then Mason and Liam running so close, and Mason kind of finally getting the gap at the end.
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00:07:46.720Um it was very impressive for me to see with Mason, given the fact that he traditionally runs like much shorter races.
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00:07:59.680Um, I think if he if he not that he has any weaknesses, but if he does, I think the biggest question mark would have been how do you do in some of the longer trail races, even though he's got I don't know, he's like a two is he a two fifteen marathoner?
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00:08:09.600He's a very fast marathoner, but on the trails, um he's uh you know, uh there's there were some questions there, and he goes and absolutely delivers like a lights out performance.
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00:08:12.879So two massive performances that I was super excited to see on that end.
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00:09:05.679Yeah, that was a really, really exciting race to watch because of the competition.
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00:09:18.639And yeah, I think uh Lauren taking that wrong turn and then still being able to mentally just battle back and not give up through the race just shows a lot of mental strength early on in the season, which is great.
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00:09:21.919And then uh Taylor has been really, really strong too.
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00:09:29.679And then all three of the top or of the top three women were in the top 15 overall, which was also really cool to see.
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00:09:34.480I think um the women's field was just really strong this year, and the men crushed it.
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00:09:37.360So yeah, really exciting races all around.
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00:09:38.799Big time, big time.
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00:09:40.720All right, let's move on and talk Canyons.
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00:09:44.000Anything uh from Canyons to style to obviously that's traditional.
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00:09:45.440You've got a very fast course.
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00:09:47.519Um, never been on it, never been out there.
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00:09:50.720Um, but from what I understand, it's it's relatively flat and fast.
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00:09:53.759Um, Matt Daniels, the winner on the overall winner.
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00:09:57.600Uh obviously, this is no um, you know, no issue for him.
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00:09:59.759He's had a lot of success on this course before in the past.
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00:10:10.080He's very good at the 50k distance and uh absolutely had a lights out performance, getting the course record, um, followed closely by Jupiter's teammate and Ryan Forsyth, not far behind.
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00:10:13.600Um, another, like, dude, these women's races have been so sick.
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00:10:16.960McKenna Morley, sixth overall, and the course record.
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00:10:19.360Yo, I'm so excited she's going to trails.
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00:10:23.840I had her on the podcast maybe, I don't know, six months ago, maybe earlier, maybe less.
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00:10:28.559Um, and it seems like every like race that she's in, she's in the top 10 overall.
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00:10:30.720Like she's she's an absolute world beater.
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00:10:33.279Um that was very exciting to see.
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00:10:34.159Totally.
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00:10:34.639Yeah.
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00:10:52.960And I think it was cool in this race to really see some of the ultra runners and sub-ultra runners meet in the middle because um that 50k is kind of a weird distance where it's not really an uh ultra ultra race, but it's not really a sub-ultra race either.
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00:10:55.120So it brings together kind of both sides.
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00:11:02.879So that was cool to see some runners that are usually on the ultra side kind of sneak into a shorter race and vice versa.
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00:11:09.840Um, so I think it showed a lot of strength from um McKenna to be able to run a really fast race like that.
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00:11:13.840Um, and she is really great on the roads um and everything too.
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00:11:16.480So yeah, I think that 50k distance is great for her.
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00:11:21.679Lauren kind of comes from the shorter uh trail side of that.
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00:11:28.240And so it was fun to see her kind of raise the distance and get go to a 50k and really crush it.
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00:11:32.080And then uh Molly has traditionally been in the ultras.
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00:11:39.840I know that she's training through kind of to western states, but I feel like all of those women, McKenna, that was kind of her distance.
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00:11:49.360Lauren, she was moving up a little bit, Molly was moving down a little bit, and it was really cool to see them all just have a race and race each other.
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00:11:50.879Yeah, no, big time.
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00:11:55.440And Lauren Gregory, eighth overall, and I I think under the course record as well.
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00:11:55.759Yeah.
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00:11:58.080I think she was too.
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00:12:04.720And I don't know if you mentioned this, but I think Matt Daniels also got the course record that day um at Canyon's 50k.
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00:12:07.120So that was really, really exciting too.
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00:12:08.639What do you think about this?
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00:12:13.600Like the sport, it just gets, I feel like every time we're having a conversation, we're course records are flying.
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00:12:17.279Uh every time, like the sport is getting so fast.
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00:12:23.679It's funny, I think David Roche just did a uh like a discussion on this, or was like a YouTube short um that he was like talking about.
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00:12:31.279And a lot of people are obviously talking about high-carb fueling and all these different things, and the training is obviously getting better, the fueling is getting better.
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00:12:34.080Uh, is is this is the sport we're at in the sport?
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00:12:38.960Are we just gonna see course records flying all the time now, which is kind of crazy?
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00:12:40.639Yeah, I mean, I think so.
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00:12:47.120I think it's the nutrition, I think it's the training, some of the shoe technology is really, really getting good.
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00:13:00.320I also think that there are more and more athletes coming straight from the track after they graduate over to trails, or you're seeing some road athletes that are still in the prime of their careers coming over to trails.
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00:13:12.000Whereas I feel like a few years ago it was maybe like you're a trail athlete or you're a road athlete, and now we're seeing some really, really incredible athletes on the roads come over to trails.
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00:13:17.200So I think that these records are just gonna keep coming down even more and more over the years.
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00:13:18.240Big time.
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00:13:26.240I wonder if uh, because you know, you we brought up Molly Seidel, and I guess that's kind of our our segue into Ultra and some of those discussions, but like I'm so curious.
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00:13:28.159Like, I actually really care about Western states this year.
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00:13:36.000I normally I don't really pay attention that much because I'm more of a you know short trail snob, but like this year I like really care about Western states because it's it's super interesting.
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00:13:41.120Like this is one of the if if everybody gets there healthy, we're gonna have one of the deeper fields that we've had in a long time.
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00:13:44.879Um I feel like we're on course record watch for both sides of the field this year.
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00:13:59.200And I think it's very possible that even though last year's champion on the women's side isn't, you know, we will be returning, you know, it's it's anybody's race, you know, both sides, um, you know, given the fact that Jim's back and the fact that um Abby's gonna be returning as well.
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00:14:05.039So we could we could see a lot of switch ups and a lot of changes, and it's gonna be uh it's gonna be fun to follow.
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00:14:05.840Very interesting.
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00:14:06.399Totally.
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00:14:09.200And I think that ultras are getting faster and faster too.
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00:14:11.919You're seeing a lot of course records being broken.
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00:14:27.279And I think maybe 20, 10 years ago they were kind of seen as these really long endurance, just hiking kind of races, um, or like slower running, and now people are absolutely ripping the courses out there.
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00:14:30.960And um, yeah, Western states has gotten to be really, really fast.
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00:14:36.399You can't just go out and jog there and have a good performance and finish top 10.
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00:14:40.000You're actually running really fast over a hundred miles.
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00:14:41.120Yeah.
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00:14:43.679Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be fun to follow.
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00:14:48.399Uh, yeah, both of the men's and women's fields look crazy, and uh it's gonna be fast.
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00:14:49.279That's all I can say.
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00:14:51.120Maybe it'll be hot, maybe it won't be.
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00:14:55.120If it's not hot, which I would be, I hope it's I hope it's like scorching.
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00:14:59.279I hope there's like I hope that yeah, I hope it's like at least there's some some drama.
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00:15:00.480It makes it a little fun.
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00:15:02.480Uh yeah, I got I got a hot take for this.
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00:15:05.600I was thinking about because I happen to be looking at the women's western states field.
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00:15:07.360I'm just gonna throw like an early prediction out there.
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00:15:11.840I think Jen Lichner, I I really think Jen Lichner shocks the world and just goes and wins that race.
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00:15:13.759Um that's just my hot take.
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00:15:15.120I don't know, would be fun to follow.
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00:15:17.679Uh and then for the men, I don't, yeah, we'll see what happens.
00:15:17.840 -->
00:15:19.840You know, there's a lot of unpredictable.
00:15:20.480 -->
00:15:24.720I mean, yeah, I feel like when Jen races, she's ready to race.
00:15:24.799 -->
00:15:28.799So I'm sure she'll be ready for this one, even if it's a new distance for her.
00:15:29.039 -->
00:15:34.320I think that um she could do really well even in her her first hundred mile race.
00:15:34.720 -->
00:15:37.519Yeah, that black canyon performance just like really convinced me.
00:15:37.600 -->
00:15:38.240It was like, wow.
00:15:38.320 -->
00:15:38.559Oh, yeah.
00:15:38.960 -->
00:15:40.480Really, that was super impressive.
00:15:40.960 -->
00:15:41.440Yeah, who knows?
00:15:41.600 -->
00:15:42.799100 miles is a little bit longer.
00:15:42.879 -->
00:15:44.240So we will true.
00:15:44.639 -->
00:15:47.360Yeah, it is longer, but she is just so strong.
00:15:47.519 -->
00:15:52.320So yeah, I could definitely see her putting that race together and having her great day.
00:15:52.879 -->
00:15:54.000Big time, big time.
00:15:54.240 -->
00:15:57.600All right, let's talk, let's talk world sky running uh rankings right now.
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00:16:00.480Obviously, you you've had a you've gotten to travel a good amount.
00:16:00.559 -->
00:16:03.600You've gotten to see Sky Race Day Moths in, uh, at least be in that vicinity.
00:16:03.679 -->
00:16:07.679You've gotten to travel to um, you know, South American races as well.
00:16:07.759 -->
00:16:10.080Um, and you were in Spain too, if I remember correctly.
00:16:10.320 -->
00:16:13.039Yeah, I went to uh Calamaro too, yeah, yeah.
00:16:13.120 -->
00:16:16.000So I went to the one in Chile, Calamaro.
00:16:16.080 -->
00:16:17.519Yeah, Calamaro was cool.
00:16:17.679 -->
00:16:19.360Um, it was fun being over there.
00:16:19.519 -->
00:16:21.679The course is really cool too.
00:16:21.840 -->
00:16:25.440Uh, very technical climbing for sure.
00:16:25.600 -->
00:16:31.440And I know one of the descents is a lot flowier, and then one of the descents is really, really technical.
00:16:31.600 -->
00:16:38.080So it is a fast course compared to some of the other Skyrunner World Series races that are four or five hours.
00:16:38.240 -->
00:16:43.840I think this one was maybe for the women around two and a half-ish or three hours.
00:16:44.000 -->
00:16:53.759I can't remember exactly what Sarah Alonzo ended up um running for that, but it was a shorter Skyrunner World Series race as far as time was.
00:16:53.919 -->
00:16:55.279So quick course.
00:16:55.360 -->
00:17:03.519Um, and it also the race starts in the evening, which is also different than a lot of the races in the running world.
00:17:03.679 -->
00:17:06.640Usually start in the morning, but this one starts in the evening.
00:17:06.799 -->
00:17:10.480And so that, yeah, that adds a little bit to it too.
00:17:11.200 -->
00:17:12.319Why why do they do that?
00:17:12.480 -->
00:17:13.440Is there like a reason for that?
00:17:13.519 -->
00:17:14.720That's so like I don't know.
00:17:14.799 -->
00:17:15.920I'm I'm I'm a morning guy.
00:17:16.000 -->
00:17:17.119That's why I asked this question.
00:17:17.839 -->
00:17:19.039I don't really know.
00:17:19.200 -->
00:17:21.759Uh yeah, I have no idea why they did it in the evening.
00:17:21.920 -->
00:17:29.759I think, I don't know, maybe they just think it's a cool switch up or something, but they uh part of the mandatory gear is a headlamp.
00:17:30.000 -->
00:17:37.680And so yeah, there's people coming in later at night um with headlamps on, and it's dark and everything.
00:17:37.759 -->
00:17:40.160So yeah, pretty, pretty wild.
00:17:40.640 -->
00:17:41.119Epic.
00:17:41.279 -->
00:17:43.279Yeah, and there were some great finishes there on the American side.
00:17:43.359 -->
00:17:45.359I mean, Jane Moss had a fantastic race.
00:17:45.440 -->
00:17:45.599Yeah.
00:17:45.920 -->
00:17:49.119Um, you know, I I think she was, I should have written that down.
00:17:49.200 -->
00:17:51.200I think she believed she was second somewhere in that range.
00:17:51.440 -->
00:17:53.440Yeah, yeah, I believe she was second.
00:17:53.680 -->
00:18:00.960Yeah, she definitely was on the podium, and I don't know why I'm blanking on if she was second or third, but um, I want to say second.
00:18:01.119 -->
00:18:06.000But yeah, she had an incredible race out there, and that was really fun to see too.
00:18:06.319 -->
00:18:06.640Yeah.
00:18:06.880 -->
00:18:13.839It's been interesting because there's so many sky, like so many races on the Skyrunner World series, it's a little bit harder to kind of follow everything and kind of put it all together.
00:18:13.920 -->
00:18:19.359But one of the things that we did want to break down for the audience is kind of just the rankings and where the rankings are at right now.
00:18:19.519 -->
00:18:23.279Um, I'll let you take it away on the women's side and then I'll follow up with the men.
00:18:23.839 -->
00:18:24.480Yeah, yeah.
00:18:24.559 -->
00:18:34.160And I will caveat this by saying that it is a little bit hard as we go through rankings, both in Skyrunner, Golden Trail series, um, the World Cup.
00:18:34.319 -->
00:18:39.200It's really early in the season, and some athletes don't race every single race.
00:18:39.359 -->
00:18:41.200Most athletes don't race every single race.
00:18:41.359 -->
00:18:48.799So as we go through these, there are some athletes that have raced in four races in the series, and others that have only raced in a couple.
00:18:49.039 -->
00:19:00.079So, um, like an athlete like Sarah Alonzo, who has done really well in some of the races, is uh not ranked number one, even though she's won some of the races.
00:19:00.160 -->
00:19:01.440She's a little bit farther back.
00:19:01.599 -->
00:19:14.079But anyway, all that um just to caveat this whole thing because it's a little bit hard to read exactly how someone's doing when it's this early in the season, but it is still fun to see what the overall rankings are.
00:19:14.240 -->
00:19:29.680So, right now in the Skyrunner World Series on the women's side, Amanda Nielsen is first, uh Lena Elcott is sec in second, Sarah Alonzo is in third, Patricia Paneda is in fourth, and then Rosalia Zagara is in fifth right now.
00:19:29.839 -->
00:19:34.160So those are our top five women of the Skyrunner World Series right now.
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00:19:35.839Amazing, amazing.
00:19:36.000 -->
00:19:49.839And on the men's side, we've got Nick, or uh sorry, we've uh Fred Trenchard, Nicholas Molina, Morgan Elliott holding it down on the United for the United States, Jose Manuel Kispe, and Menu Marias or Morales, however you guys want to pronounce it.
00:19:49.920 -->
00:19:56.880I I've heard it said both ways, but uh I've heard it most of most of these as well.
00:19:56.960 -->
00:19:57.599Yeah.
00:19:57.920 -->
00:20:06.559Um it is excit it's exciting on the American side that we have an American uh someone ranked in the top 10, which is super exciting.
00:20:06.720 -->
00:20:15.440Uh Morgan Elliott kind of being a mainstay, your teammate, uh a mainstay on the uh on the Maryland Skyrunning World Series, which is really cool to follow.
00:20:15.759 -->
00:20:16.640It is cool to follow.
00:20:16.720 -->
00:20:20.240He's had a couple of really great performances, podium'd a couple times.
00:20:20.319 -->
00:20:23.759So that's been really, really fun to see him follow his season.
00:20:24.000 -->
00:20:32.319And um, yeah, I'm excited for the rest of his season and just seeing him continue to crush some of these Skyrunner World Series races.
00:20:32.720 -->
00:20:34.160Yeah, big time, big time.
00:20:34.640 -->
00:20:36.319I think that's all we got for Skyrunner.
00:20:36.400 -->
00:20:45.920In the next one, we'll get to some of the more as we start getting to like Truffokima and uh some of those races, we'll go deep into like some maybe some of the history and the lore and discussion around that.
00:20:46.079 -->
00:20:49.759Um, but I think that's a good place for Skyrunner for right now.
00:20:49.920 -->
00:20:57.119I think the big, the big one that we wanted to get to is Zagama on the Golden Trail World Series, just happening uh about a week, week and a half removed.
00:20:57.279 -->
00:20:59.200Um, this was a really fun race.
00:20:59.440 -->
00:21:01.20025th anniversary of this race.
00:21:01.359 -->
00:21:02.960Killian came back for it.
00:21:03.039 -->
00:21:06.079I feel like it was a very stacked men's and women's field.
00:21:06.160 -->
00:21:09.359Um, obviously, a great way to kick off the Golden Trail season.
00:21:09.519 -->
00:21:18.720Um, traditionally, uh actually, it's probably not the right way to say it would be traditionally, but in the last few years, the Golden Trail series season had been kicking off earlier with races in in Asia.
00:21:18.880 -->
00:21:27.279And uh this year we're we're back to more of a normalized schedule with the races kicking off uh in in May with Zagama, which is really sick.
00:21:27.599 -->
00:21:36.160Yeah, yeah, Zagama is always a staple in the Golden Trail World Series race, and it is one of the coolest trail races out there.
00:21:36.240 -->
00:21:42.559I know so many people who have it on their bucket list of races to do because the fans are just incredible.
00:21:42.799 -->
00:21:44.160Um, it's so cool.
00:21:44.319 -->
00:21:52.240There are a few sections on the climbs where fans are just lining the sides of the climbs, and it's so cool.
00:21:52.319 -->
00:21:57.519It's so loud when you go through those tunnels of fans and they hike all the way up there.
00:21:57.599 -->
00:21:59.759There's not any kind of lift or anything.
00:22:00.400 -->
00:22:01.200For them to get up there.
00:22:01.359 -->
00:22:08.000So it really just feels like a trail race where everyone's just out there enjoying being outside.
00:22:08.160 -->
00:22:17.599You hike to the top to the up to cheer everyone on, or the runners are racing up to the top, but everyone's powering themselves up these mountains.
00:22:17.680 -->
00:22:20.960And uh yeah, I just think that it's a really, really cool race.
00:22:21.759 -->
00:22:22.960Absolutely epic course.
00:22:23.119 -->
00:22:25.039Have you do you know you've never done it, right?
00:22:25.119 -->
00:22:25.519Or have you?
00:22:25.920 -->
00:22:26.640I did do it.
00:22:26.720 -->
00:22:31.279I did it um in my first year of trail running, actually, which was wild.
00:22:31.359 -->
00:22:40.319I was not prepared for it at all, but it was kind of like I got into this race, so I really want to do it because it is just an epic race.
00:22:40.400 -->
00:22:49.680Uh, I definitely want to go back sometime and uh hopefully go into it really well trained and um crush it, but it was such a cool experience being out there.
00:22:50.240 -->
00:22:52.480Did you have it on a wet year or a dry year?
00:22:52.880 -->
00:22:56.799It was actually a dry year, so yeah, this year was really wet.
00:22:56.880 -->
00:23:03.680I feel like oftentimes it is a wet year, and uh it definitely makes the course a lot more challenging.
00:23:03.839 -->
00:23:10.480Uh, I was watching the live feed or the live stream of it, and people are just slipping and sliding everywhere.
00:23:10.559 -->
00:23:18.799I mean, even the top runners are having a hard time staying on their feet, and when they come through the finish line, they're just all caked in mud.
00:23:19.839 -->
00:23:20.400Yeah, yeah.
00:23:20.480 -->
00:23:21.359No, it's so crazy.
00:23:21.440 -->
00:23:33.279That's why I asked, because it's you know, I think I had Taylor on, and one of the things Taylor had said to me was was just like how comical it was that these are some of the best trail athletes in the world, and like people are using the mud as a slip and slide, and like it's yeah, hilarious.
00:23:33.440 -->
00:23:34.240Uh totally.
00:23:34.480 -->
00:23:37.920Yeah, what just what a technical, brutal, cool course.
00:23:38.079 -->
00:23:41.599I mean, everything that's I I've kind of read about and seen just seems absolutely epic.
00:23:41.680 -->
00:23:50.799And I think Golden Trail does an amazing job of being able to do some of the storytelling around these athletes and and around the history of this course, and just so much uh, you know, it's just so steeped in lore.
00:23:50.880 -->
00:23:51.920It was really exciting this year.
00:23:52.000 -->
00:23:55.359Obviously, Killian came back attempting to go for his 12th win at it.
00:23:55.440 -->
00:24:01.279Um, obviously didn't have the date that he wanted, but still, you know, got to experience it and have fun out there.
00:24:01.440 -->
00:24:07.279Um that kind of busted my bracket because I I think it I think it busted everybody's bracket.
00:24:07.359 -->
00:24:10.480Um results were results very straightforward, though.
00:24:10.559 -->
00:24:19.119I think on the men's side, it seemed it seems, you know, um, you know, Al Housine took the win, took the win, Daniel Pattis, uh, and then Taylor Stack.
00:24:19.279 -->
00:24:23.119Taylor Stack becomes the first American male to ever podium at Zagama, uh, which is crazy.
00:24:23.440 -->
00:24:31.279Probably the most yeah, most success since probably Stevie Kramer in like 2014 of any American, which is nuts to think about.
00:24:31.440 -->
00:24:34.319Um, so not a lot of Americans have done very well over there.
00:24:34.480 -->
00:24:46.000And then um Tovey, Tove Alexanderson, 408, absolutely dismantles the course record, um, you know, followed closely by Malin, well, somewhat closely, uh, by Malin and Sarah.
00:24:46.240 -->
00:24:49.119Um what do you what did you think of Tove's performance?
00:24:49.279 -->
00:24:52.400I feel like, like, yo, this that's but that was bananas.
00:24:52.720 -->
00:24:53.359It's so good.
00:24:53.440 -->
00:24:53.759Yeah.
00:24:53.839 -->
00:24:59.279I mean, she's always been good at the um shorter stuff too, like the classic mountain races.
00:24:59.359 -->
00:25:01.680Um, she's podium before at Worlds.
00:25:01.839 -->
00:25:10.960And so just to go out here and also crush a marathon distance where really it's a marathon distance, but it also has 8,000 feet of gain and loss in it.
00:25:11.039 -->
00:25:12.400So, and it's very technical.
00:25:12.559 -->
00:25:23.839So you're out there for a long time and running 408 on that course on a really, really hard year where it's rainy and wet is very, very incredible to me.
00:25:23.920 -->
00:25:35.039I think she got the course record by eight minutes, I want to say, and she was already ahead of the field by five minutes, I think, um, up at the top of one of the first climbs.
00:25:35.200 -->
00:25:41.440So she kind of started off and just gapped everyone immediately and never looked back from that.
00:25:41.599 -->
00:25:45.920Um, so yeah, her performance was absolutely incredible.
00:25:46.559 -->
00:25:48.400Just absolute bananas.
00:25:48.559 -->
00:25:53.759I mean, and I kind of had, I mean, I I when I did the preview, I kind of picked, I picked Sarah for the upset.
00:25:53.839 -->
00:25:58.640I was like, Sarah's gonna do this as home home field advantage, and Maylon's gonna be right there.
00:25:58.720 -->
00:26:08.480And I was close to the podium, but like I just didn't think Tovey was gonna be so dominant, and she just continues to be absolutely like uh outer worldly in a lot of ways.
00:26:08.640 -->
00:26:14.720I mean, last year at Worlds, um, you know, short trail champion at worlds, but like did it in such a dominant fashion.
00:26:14.799 -->
00:26:19.680And again, just kind of picks up where she left off and uh continues this domination.
00:26:19.839 -->
00:26:23.599My question is, you know, these athletes come and like to like Ninky, right?
00:26:23.680 -->
00:26:29.440Ninky kind of came in and had a just a superstar year, and then Sophia Lockley had a superstar year.
00:26:29.599 -->
00:26:31.039Um, do you think this will be?
00:26:31.119 -->
00:26:32.559I mean, this is just like speculation.
00:26:32.720 -->
00:26:40.480Do you think this is possible where it'll be a similar thing, another superstar year for an athlete like Tovey, where she just everything she touches turns to gold?
00:26:40.799 -->
00:26:41.759Yeah, it could be.
00:26:41.839 -->
00:26:46.480And I feel like maybe uh in other seasons we've seen that before.
00:26:46.640 -->
00:26:52.400Like she's done so well at Worlds, but she hasn't crossed over into racing some of these golden trail series races.
00:26:52.559 -->
00:27:03.839So um, I think a lot of times when you're looking at series uh and you're running series, you kind of focus on the people that are within that series, and then somebody else comes in and you're like, oh, who is this?
00:27:04.000 -->
00:27:07.359But they've been really good in other races or other series.
00:27:07.440 -->
00:27:16.720And so I think that she's definitely proven herself on the trails and is maybe looking to see if she can put a dent in uh the Golden Trails series this year.
00:27:16.880 -->
00:27:18.640Um, so yeah, we'll we'll see.
00:27:18.720 -->
00:27:25.279But I definitely think that she is racing really, really well this year, and she's in great shape for sure.
00:27:25.680 -->
00:27:26.000Yeah.
00:27:26.240 -->
00:27:33.200My curiosity is is um, and I I haven't looked, and from what I understand right now, I don't think she's confirmed yet for series and all.
00:27:33.599 -->
00:27:35.680I mean, she's really good on technical terrain.
00:27:35.759 -->
00:27:41.599Um, she runs trails like Zagama, like for instance, and then the Con Frank course, both very technical, runs those very well.
00:27:41.759 -->
00:27:45.839I'm very curious to see like if she was to go to a series and all and how she would do.
00:27:46.160 -->
00:27:58.160Because I mean there's a chance she could become the first American, I mean, or sorry, not first American, first person since uh I think only Killian and only Stevie Kramer have ever won Zagama and Series and All in the same year.
00:27:58.319 -->
00:27:59.440Not very many people have done it.
00:27:59.599 -->
00:28:06.480So it would be very cool to see her uh become that third person uh to see if she could get it in the in one year.
00:28:06.559 -->
00:28:08.079Um so we'll see what happens.
00:28:08.319 -->
00:28:10.160Yeah,$2 stack.
00:28:11.680 -->
00:28:12.880Oh, I was just gonna say it.
00:28:12.960 -->
00:28:13.680No, you're good.
00:28:13.759 -->
00:28:14.880Um, that would be really cool.
00:28:15.039 -->
00:28:18.799I think those are two of the biggest and most competitive races in the trails.
00:28:18.880 -->
00:28:22.559So yeah, it would be really cool to see if someone else can do that.
00:28:23.039 -->
00:28:24.480Yeah, no, big time, big time.
00:28:24.559 -->
00:28:29.839I mean, I she's I would say she's early betting favorite for the overall win, but we'll see what happens.
00:28:29.920 -->
00:28:32.160I know like Joyce, Joyce is in the mix.
00:28:32.240 -->
00:28:37.440Uh, I'm you know, Caroline Kimutai, who had a great race at Laredo, Laredo, or Ledro.
00:28:37.680 -->
00:28:42.240Man, I gotta get my uh I gotta get I gotta get my uh pronunciation down again today.
00:28:42.319 -->
00:28:46.880Um and then you know, Madeline Madalena Floria.
00:28:47.119 -->
00:28:51.200There's plenty of athletes in the mix, so it's gonna be interesting to see how she matches up with them.
00:28:51.440 -->
00:28:54.720Um I I gotta be honest with you, I am so excited about Taylor Stack.
00:28:54.880 -->
00:29:00.640Taylor is a friend, and uh I was so excited to see him kind of have this like statement performance.
00:29:00.720 -->
00:29:04.400I mean, obviously he did really well last year, picked up where he left off.
00:29:04.559 -->
00:29:07.279Um, but I he's got like I don't know.
00:29:07.359 -->
00:29:15.759This is something actually I've been wanting to ask you is like when you there's a lot of different aspects and things that make up a great athlete, right?
00:29:15.839 -->
00:29:32.000There's obviously fitness is super important, but then there's so many little things like how well do you travel, and then also the mental component, like what's between the ears, because we see a lot of super talented men and women, but there's this like X factor, this little like in-between thing that like seems to bring you from really good to great.
00:29:32.160 -->
00:29:36.799And I think Taylor is like starting to figure that out with some of his mental game.
00:29:36.960 -->
00:29:53.279Um he was talking to me about and I was just so interested, about Al Huzin and about following his tactics and watching his tactics in the race, and how El Useen is very, very talented at being able to kind of dissect a race and know where to make moves and know where to put moves on people and also conserving his energy.
00:29:53.440 -->
00:29:54.799What are you what are your thoughts on that?
00:29:54.960 -->
00:29:58.400Like uh from from your side, racing at the highest end of the sport.
00:29:58.559 -->
00:30:02.559Um, do you think that's a super important component is kind of that mental side?
00:30:02.880 -->
00:30:04.480Oh, yeah, I think it's so important.
00:30:04.559 -->
00:30:24.799And I think that it's really hard to nail that mental side when you're in the first couple of years of racing or when you get to a new series like the Golden Trail World Series, where you do have this extra component of your traveling around the world, and these are all new athletes, and racing in Europe is a lot different than racing in the US.
00:30:24.880 -->
00:30:33.039So I think there's a lot of changes and a lot of things to learn in your first year of running in a race series like the Golden Trail World Series.
00:30:33.200 -->
00:30:38.400But Taylor was figuring that out really well last year already.
00:30:38.559 -->
00:30:51.200And so now I feel like he kind of had his first season of that, and he has a lot more knowledge going into this year and uh really being able to crush some of these Golden Trail World Series races.
00:30:51.359 -->
00:30:55.519So yeah, he is going to be a fun one to watch, I think, this year.
00:30:55.839 -->
00:31:05.920Yeah, I I mean I think between I don't know, there's so many like really good, like for instance, like on the on the women's side, um, you know, we have so many great American women that have done really well, right?
00:31:06.079 -->
00:31:15.839We just I get the reason I'm stoked is because like we just haven't had an American man, like other than I'd say Taylor and maybe Christian Allen, like have kind of been our only only only hope in a while.
00:31:16.000 -->
00:31:18.799Eli Hemming a few years ago, but he kind of moved on to ultra.
00:31:18.960 -->
00:31:22.240So we haven't had any like really stud American men like do great.
00:31:22.480 -->
00:31:34.559So it would be really cool to uh, you know, with especially with Lauren Gregory doing as well if she had it would be cool to have an American male uh kind of get into that mix as well and and maybe win a final or or get a statement win uh somewhere.
00:31:34.640 -->
00:31:37.200And I think Taylor, I think Taylor's got the ability to do it.
00:31:37.279 -->
00:31:39.039So yeah, I think so too.
00:31:39.119 -->
00:31:49.680And I think kind of when one man does it, then it opens the door for other American men to really believe in themselves and um do that too.
00:31:49.759 -->
00:32:05.519I think that um on the women's side, we're kind of seeing that where there are a lot of women that have been able to be in the top 10 or podium or win some of the Golden Trail World Series races, and when you have that momentum from one woman, then you kind of just start believing in yourself.
00:32:05.680 -->
00:32:08.079And um, so I think that it's cool.
00:32:08.160 -->
00:32:19.839And hopefully he can start this um just new generation, or yeah, I hope that he can start the trend, I guess, on the men's side is what I'm trying to say.
00:32:20.559 -->
00:32:26.400If you're listening to this, Taylor, no pressure, yeah, no pressure, but until watching.
00:32:27.119 -->
00:32:27.759But we're we're counting.
00:32:27.839 -->
00:32:28.960Yeah, we're kind of counting on it.
00:32:29.039 -->
00:32:29.599No big deal.
00:32:29.759 -->
00:32:31.359Um, let's move up.
00:32:31.519 -->
00:32:32.720Let's move over to Ledro.
00:32:33.039 -->
00:32:34.160I had a buddy text me.
00:32:34.240 -->
00:32:37.200Uh, I didn't get a chance to watch the uh the live stream.
00:32:37.359 -->
00:32:38.240I don't know if you did.
00:32:38.480 -->
00:32:39.519Apparently, it was pretty good.
00:32:39.599 -->
00:32:41.839Uh it was fantastic.
00:32:42.640 -->
00:32:47.519Yeah, I would say the live stream, I mean, that is one of the most beautiful courses ever.
00:32:47.680 -->
00:32:52.960You're up on that ridgeline for so long with just like mountains all around you.
00:32:53.119 -->
00:32:55.200Um, it's a gorgeous course.
00:32:55.359 -->
00:33:04.960So the live stream was cool just because the course is really awesome, but they did a great job of following all the athletes as well and kind of showing what was happening in the race.
00:33:05.119 -->
00:33:09.440And um yeah, I think they did an amazing job on the live stream.
00:33:09.839 -->
00:33:10.400Super cool.
00:33:10.480 -->
00:33:10.960I gotta go back.
00:33:11.039 -->
00:33:12.559I'm gonna see if I can find it this afternoon.
00:33:12.640 -->
00:33:14.000I kind of want to dive into it.
00:33:14.079 -->
00:33:14.960I was hoping to catch it.
00:33:15.519 -->
00:33:16.960I tried to, it's a long story.
00:33:17.039 -->
00:33:20.000I tried to get it on the plane yesterday, couldn't figure it out.
00:33:20.240 -->
00:33:22.160Shout out Delta, screwed me.
00:33:22.319 -->
00:33:22.880Oh well.
00:33:23.119 -->
00:33:31.599Um, but yeah, we I yeah, tried to figure it out, but yeah, um, from what it looked like from afar and from clips on Instagram and the research and stuff I looked into.
00:33:31.839 -->
00:33:32.960Amazing race again.
00:33:33.119 -->
00:33:41.359I was more surprised, yo, seven out of the top ten men in the field, uh, and the seven of the top ten were were Kenyans, which is crazy.
00:33:41.440 -->
00:33:48.000That like yeah, it's really interesting and fun to see um you know the dominance uh you know for those athletes to come over.
00:33:48.079 -->
00:33:50.720And then El who seemed to still be able to pull off the win.
00:33:50.880 -->
00:33:52.559Um that's crazy.
00:33:52.720 -->
00:33:53.759Absolutely crazy.
00:33:54.000 -->
00:33:54.960Yeah, it was cool.
00:33:55.039 -->
00:34:02.799The men's race, I think uh kind of like what you were saying, where maybe Taylor is looking at Elazine and seeing his race tactics and stuff.
00:34:02.960 -->
00:34:08.480I think Elozine does a really, really good job of just racing his own race.
00:34:08.559 -->
00:34:16.400Um, and this race in Ledro, he was coming off of Zagama the week right before, which is a wild marathon.
00:34:16.480 -->
00:34:24.320And so uh I think he really did well just running his own race and kind of starting not at the very front of the race.
00:34:24.400 -->
00:34:31.920He let some other men lead at first and kind of took his climb took his time a little bit more on the climb and then smashed the downhill.
00:34:32.079 -->
00:34:41.519And so um, yeah, I think that was really cool to see the race tactics and him just not worrying early on in the race and just running his own race.
00:34:42.800 -->
00:34:46.320Yeah, fantastic, uh yeah, fantastic breakdown.
00:34:46.480 -->
00:34:50.960It's interesting to see him, yeah, kind of he's always, you know, it's funny about him.
00:34:51.039 -->
00:35:01.519Like I can remember earlier Golden Trail series iterations where back when he was on the Solomon team, uh, this is like maybe five years ago, um, you know, where he would just like sit on Stien's tail.
00:35:01.599 -->
00:35:06.960And Stien would like, I can remember him talking about it at one of the Golden Trail things where he would just get so annoyed.
00:35:07.119 -->
00:35:13.840Uh, because Al Husin's race is smart, like he would just kind of draft off of Stian and just make moves at the end.
00:35:14.079 -->
00:35:21.920And I it's been interesting to see him kind of take that step forward into becoming, you know, really the guy, you know, for that series.
00:35:22.159 -->
00:35:25.199Um, and in the same way, like I, you know, I I don't know.
00:35:25.280 -->
00:35:37.920It's um it's also interesting to see Philomon progress from uh he was always kind of in Patrick's shadow a little bit, um, always getting like second or third to Patrick, and now Philemon seems, you know, with two series and all ones?
00:35:38.079 -->
00:35:40.559Yeah, two series and all wins now, and a lot of success.
00:35:40.719 -->
00:35:47.440Philemon's really kind of made a name for himself and like kind of really come out of Patrick's shadow, and now he's the one beating Patrick at races, which is crazy.
00:35:47.679 -->
00:35:48.400Yeah, true.
00:35:48.480 -->
00:35:54.559Yeah, it is fun to see that trade off and um see some of the Kenyan runners running strong too.
00:35:55.039 -->
00:35:55.360Yeah.
00:35:55.599 -->
00:35:56.960Let's talk about the women's field.
00:35:57.039 -->
00:36:01.440Uh Caroline Kimi Thai, Madalena Floria, Joyce back in the mix.
00:36:01.599 -->
00:36:07.760Uh, you race Joyce, I know a couple times, probably most recently, was it in Japan last year, if I remember correctly?
00:36:08.239 -->
00:36:12.239Um, I've raced her a good amount just at the Golden Trail series races.
00:36:12.400 -->
00:36:17.920Um, so yeah, I feel like she does those and the World Cup races a lot.
00:36:18.079 -->
00:36:21.119So uh you can usually catch her at one of those.
00:36:22.079 -->
00:36:26.320Any um any take on the women's field from like following the women's race in general?
00:36:26.480 -->
00:36:33.440Uh yeah, I mean Carolyn kind of just took it out from the start and was really dominant the whole time.
00:36:33.599 -->
00:36:50.239And I think um people were kind of wondering because she went out so hard on the climb, if she was going to be able to hold it for the descent, because she had done a couple Golden Trail series races last year and maybe wasn't as good on all the technical um terrain.
00:36:50.320 -->
00:36:52.639And Ladro is a pretty technical course.
00:36:52.800 -->
00:36:55.760That ridgeline is really technical, the downhill is pretty technical.
00:36:56.000 -->
00:37:04.559So um people were kind of wondering if she would be able to hold on and uh be chased by Madalina and Joyce and still hang on to her lead.
00:37:04.719 -->
00:37:11.920But she did, and she had a great downhill too, and um just kind of led from the gun to the finish.
00:37:13.440 -->
00:37:14.480Amazing, amazing.
00:37:14.639 -->
00:37:22.000And Madalina and Joyce, Nina Englehard, and Nina, Nina's had a ton of success over in the world uh at some of the world's races.
00:37:22.079 -->
00:37:23.519Uh amazing athlete on her end.
00:37:23.599 -->
00:37:30.800So it was cool to see a lot of the world's athletes kind of step in, or athletes that maybe use names I learned uh by previewing worlds and stuff like that.
00:37:31.119 -->
00:37:42.800Um Nina Englehard um and quite a few others kind of step into more of the Golden Trail series races, which I think is they're starting to get more talent from those athletes, which I think are coming over, uh, which is cool.
00:37:43.119 -->
00:37:56.480Yeah, I think there's so many different series and things that you can do within the trail world that it's cool when races kind of attract a lot of people from a lot of different series or um just everyone on the trail.
00:37:56.559 -->
00:38:04.000So yeah, it's fun to see some of the athletes from Worlds or World Cup kind of come over and do some of the Golden Trail series races.
00:38:04.480 -->
00:38:05.760Big time, big time.
00:38:06.000 -->
00:38:07.199All right, I think that's all I got.
00:38:07.280 -->
00:38:10.960Anything on Ledro that you wanna want to address, or you think we got it all?
00:38:11.440 -->
00:38:12.559I think we got it all.
00:38:12.639 -->
00:38:21.840It was cool and Ledro, I think the men started 20 minutes behind the women, and they do that a lot of times, but they uh kind of nailed it.
00:38:22.000 -->
00:38:27.039The uh Elazine and Caroline went through the finish line uh right together.
00:38:27.119 -->
00:38:38.800I think Elazine uh kind of looked back, made sure he had the win, and uh like waited a little bit for Caroline to come through and like they they went through the line together, which was really cool to see.
00:38:38.960 -->
00:38:51.360So um, yeah, that 20 minutes apart was kind of fun just to be able to see uh how the women do against the men when you're starting, when you have a head start of 20 minutes.
00:38:51.760 -->
00:38:52.639No, big time.
00:38:52.719 -->
00:38:58.719Yeah, and I think it shakes things out a little bit differently because I don't know, I've heard conflicting things, and maybe you can add more color to this.
00:38:58.880 -->
00:39:03.280Um, because every I've every female athlete kind of has their own thing that they like or dislike.
00:39:03.440 -->
00:39:13.440Some people like have having the men in the field because it, you know, as things kind of space out, they can chase the men um and and kind of you know get ahead of them.
00:39:13.519 -->
00:39:16.960And but some people like it just being able to battle back and forth with the women.
00:39:17.119 -->
00:39:17.599What do you think?
00:39:17.679 -->
00:39:19.840Well, I I kind of like this 20-minute head start thing.
00:39:20.000 -->
00:39:25.679This is Yeah, I think um it's a little bit different as a spectator versus someone that's racing.
00:39:25.760 -->
00:39:44.960I think it was really cool to see them cross the line together, but as as an athlete in the race, I do not love that they start the men after the women because um a lot of times the men will kind of catch up on the technical descent part of the race.
00:39:45.119 -->
00:39:53.119And um I think they spaced it out maybe a little bit better with this race, but sometimes they're not spaced out as far behind us.
00:39:53.280 -->
00:40:02.480And um, you're trying to go down this really technical terrain with men kind of going by you and bumping into you, even if it's accidental.
00:40:02.559 -->
00:40:09.360I don't know, it's just really hard on technical terrain to be able to run fast with men um coming by as well.
00:40:09.519 -->
00:40:12.400So I don't know what the men think of it either.
00:40:12.559 -->
00:40:22.320I think I've heard mixed things like I think a lot of men do like chasing the women and it gives them somebody to kind of try to chase and pass and things like that.
00:40:22.480 -->
00:40:29.039But uh on the women's side, it kind of uh is hard to be past when you're already trying really hard.
00:40:29.119 -->
00:40:33.920And then all of a sudden, once the men start coming past, they're going a lot faster than you.
00:40:34.079 -->
00:40:44.320So um if you're in a hard mental space at that point, then it's really hard just to be passed by a ton of men and you don't know if the person passing you is a man or a woman.
00:40:44.559 -->
00:40:53.039So I think there's just a lot of components to it um where you're like uh you're trying to run your own race, but all these people are passing you.
00:40:53.199 -->
00:41:00.079And um, yeah, as a racer, an athlete don't love it as a spectator, it's kind of fun to see.
00:41:00.639 -->
00:41:10.559Yeah, I wonder if maybe they'll just go the route, because uh, you know, I don't know, I really liked a couple, it was a couple years ago now, uh, that they did separate days at um what was the golden trail?
00:41:10.719 -->
00:41:12.320I guess it was Headlands that they did it at.
00:41:12.800 -->
00:41:13.440Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:13.840 -->
00:41:15.760Yeah, in in San Francisco.
00:41:15.920 -->
00:41:16.719And I I like that.
00:41:16.800 -->
00:41:26.079I like how they separated them on different days because it gave uh athletes the, you know, well, it gave people that were spectating and just following along the ability to follow both races individually.
00:41:26.239 -->
00:41:29.039Both men and women got their, you know, got their dues.
00:41:29.280 -->
00:41:31.440And like you said, it kind of eliminates that.
00:41:31.599 -->
00:41:37.599Because yes, when it does become a technical aspect of the course, you don't you don't want someone running you like some like for instance, like El Housine.
00:41:37.679 -->
00:41:43.360Like I'm sure he's I'm sure he's delicate, nice trying to get around someone, but that still creates crashes and issues.
00:41:43.440 -->
00:41:44.400And I don't know.
00:41:44.559 -->
00:41:47.840I feel like uh when you start to think about it, I think they should just do it on separate days.
00:41:47.920 -->
00:41:58.719Like that would make the most, I don't know, logical sense, maybe not the most uh best sense for like live streams and viewing and stuff like that, but I think from a pure aspect of the athletes, maybe it makes more sense.
00:41:59.119 -->
00:42:00.000Yeah, I agree.
00:42:00.159 -->
00:42:05.039I do like separate days because it gives both the men and the women a chance to shine.
00:42:05.199 -->
00:42:14.719I think they kind of like doing the women first just so that people um maybe don't watch the men's race and then not finish watching the women's race.
00:42:14.800 -->
00:42:23.360I've heard um some of the Golden Trail series, people kind of talk about that of like we want the women to go first so that um everyone's watching that race as well.
00:42:23.519 -->
00:42:27.920But um I think that it would be great just to have separate days.
00:42:28.000 -->
00:42:41.199But like you're saying, I think that um when they're streaming, especially for some of these bigger TV networks and things like that, if they have big contracts with people, it's really, really hard to get two separate days of filming.
00:42:41.280 -->
00:42:52.559And then also it's hard to shut the trails down for that long, or if they're not shutting the trails down, get permits for the trails, I think, uh to be able to run a race on two different days.
00:42:52.639 -->
00:42:54.480It just becomes more expensive for the race.
00:42:54.559 -->
00:42:56.719So I understand why they don't do it.
00:42:56.960 -->
00:43:16.239I think um ideally, as an athlete, if you have to do it on the same day, you send the wave of elite men first, and then maybe 10 minutes after or something, you send the wave of elite women, and then maybe wait for like 30 minutes or something and send other waves um along.
00:43:16.719 -->
00:43:17.679Makes the most sense.
00:43:17.840 -->
00:43:18.960Yeah, yeah.
00:43:19.199 -->
00:43:21.440That's what I would love to see, but yeah.
00:43:22.960 -->
00:43:23.679No, I like that.
00:43:23.760 -->
00:43:30.719And you know what this year, this is uh this is a complete tangent, but I know that they're I think with broken arrow, they're starting to do waves now for the 23k and 46k.
00:43:30.960 -->
00:43:38.239So I wonder uh what how they're gonna how far apart they'll space them because like at Pike's Peak, I think we send them like every minute or something like that.
00:43:38.400 -->
00:43:38.719I don't know.
00:43:38.960 -->
00:43:42.800Okay, yeah, because we have like a lot of choke points, but at Broken Arrow is a much more spread out course.
00:43:43.039 -->
00:43:44.400I'm curious to see how they'll do it.
00:43:44.559 -->
00:43:45.840Um, but yeah, I do agree.
00:43:45.920 -->
00:43:46.719I think it would be cool.
00:43:46.800 -->
00:43:59.760Let the elite men go first, so that and and give it then you know, give it 10 20 minutes, then send the elite women, and that way everybody's spaced out, everybody can kind of find their own race a little bit, and then uh you just said mid of the back mid and back of the packers after.
00:44:00.239 -->
00:44:01.920That and it all gets figured out.
00:44:02.079 -->
00:44:03.039So yeah, yeah.
00:44:03.280 -->
00:44:04.320Yeah, I think so too.
00:44:04.480 -->
00:44:06.400That would that makes the most sense to me.
00:44:06.480 -->
00:44:07.920But um, yeah, I don't know.
00:44:08.079 -->
00:44:18.000I wonder how broken arrow will uh do the different waves and how they'll send people if it's women first or uh if it's men first, or I don't know if you know that yet.
00:44:18.800 -->
00:44:19.599I have no idea.
00:44:20.559 -->
00:44:21.280We're gonna find out.
00:44:21.360 -->
00:44:23.360It's gonna be we'll find out, yeah.
00:44:24.960 -->
00:44:26.880Um yeah, we shall see.
00:44:26.960 -->
00:44:29.360But yeah, broken um it's broken arrow is gonna be nuts this year.
00:44:29.440 -->
00:44:33.920I'm kinda like blown away by like just the the I'm almost overwhelmed by it.
00:44:34.000 -->
00:44:39.360It's like, oh my gosh, like this is uh yeah, every every everybody uh and everything is gonna be there.
00:44:39.599 -->
00:44:45.280Kind of makes it uh a bit over that I'm thinking about it, but it'll be it'll be a fun celebration of the sport nonetheless.
00:44:45.519 -->
00:44:47.920So all the folks out there.
00:44:48.079 -->
00:44:51.519A lot of money on the line, but so we'll see how that happens on how that shakes out.
00:44:51.840 -->
00:45:03.280I know it's starting to feel like series and all or Zagama level with a competition that's out there, um, or like a world championship or something like that, where just so many people are showing up.
00:45:03.360 -->
00:45:06.960So that's really fun to have a race like that on US soil.
00:45:07.360 -->
00:45:07.840Big time.
00:45:08.000 -->
00:45:12.800Yeah, I think it's cool that like for instance, like we'll kind of get a big return of like Ninky Brinkman.
00:45:12.880 -->
00:45:21.119Like, she hasn't I I know she raced the Zagama vertical and I believe won it, but like on a big, big stage, like we haven't really seen her on the trail side in a while.
00:45:21.199 -->
00:45:23.760So that'll be cool to see her return at a big race.
00:45:23.840 -->
00:45:37.360And it's also fun that we have like El Housine, uh, like for instance, a lot of like golden trail athletes like Sarah Alonzo, um, most golden trail athletes that are coming over to do Quebec Mega Trail are just basically going over a week earlier and going to race broken arrow because of the of the prize purse.
00:45:37.440 -->
00:45:39.280And and that makes the most logical sense.
00:45:39.440 -->
00:45:44.480So um that is cool that they were able to figure that out despite it being not being a golden trail race.
00:45:44.559 -->
00:45:46.079And uh that kind of proves the point.
00:45:46.159 -->
00:45:55.679Like, okay, can Broken Arrow survive without being a or not necessarily survive, but how can they still be gigantic without a broken or without being a um golden trail series race?
00:45:55.760 -->
00:45:56.559And they absolutely can.
00:45:56.800 -->
00:45:58.719I think it's bigger this year than it was last year.
00:45:58.800 -->
00:46:00.480So oh yeah, yeah, I agree.
00:46:00.639 -->
00:46:05.280Yeah, and I think uh the momentum will just continue to build after this year, too.
00:46:05.360 -->
00:46:09.039It's uh building every year, so I love seeing that.
00:46:09.360 -->
00:46:10.159Yeah, it's cool.
00:46:10.239 -->
00:46:10.880It's very cool.
00:46:11.039 -->
00:46:12.480It's a good celebration of the sport.
00:46:12.639 -->
00:46:13.760Get everybody there.
00:46:14.159 -->
00:46:15.199All right, let's talk.
00:46:15.280 -->
00:46:16.800Um, all right, let's do rankings.
00:46:16.880 -->
00:46:20.400I want to talk about the um the golden trail rankings so far.
00:46:20.559 -->
00:46:22.159Um, pretty straightforward.
00:46:22.320 -->
00:46:24.159We can all guess who number one is on the men's side.
00:46:24.239 -->
00:46:25.840I'll I'll do the men and then you can do the women.
00:46:26.000 -->
00:46:26.400Okay, yeah.
00:46:26.639 -->
00:46:34.639El Housine is obviously first, followed by Elion Santamaria uh on team X Bionic Integrity, which is a team I've never heard of.
00:46:34.800 -->
00:47:11.199Shout out to that team uh from Spain, followed by Bogdan Damien uh from Kylas Fuga, followed by Philemon Curiego, uh from on team on Run On Together, um, followed by Daniel Patison, fifth from Team Brooks, uh, followed by Michael Sayalo uh from Run Together as well, followed by Taylor Stack in seventh place, followed by Menu Morales and from New Balance Athlete from um from Spain as well in eighth, uh, followed by Samuel Caproche, Solomon Athlete uh in ninth, and then Remy Bonet in 10th.
00:47:12.320 -->
00:47:19.679Yeah, I uh will say on the women's side, I am a little confused.
00:47:19.840 -->
00:47:26.159I don't know if these rankings are correct yet, but um, I thought Tony was in second.
00:47:26.320 -->
00:47:28.079Yeah, these are right, yeah.
00:47:28.320 -->
00:47:33.760And uh I think some of these athletes should be a little bit higher up than they are.
00:47:33.920 -->
00:47:41.360So I don't know, maybe we could put a rain check on the women's and then yeah, yeah.
00:47:41.440 -->
00:47:42.480I'm thinking the same thing.
00:47:42.559 -->
00:47:44.800These might not be updated because this is definitely going.
00:47:44.880 -->
00:47:46.880I'm reading off of Golden Trail series right now.
00:47:46.960 -->
00:47:49.760Like I I know obviously a Joseem would be in first, that would make the most sense.
00:47:49.920 -->
00:48:12.239But Philemon didn't race this, doesn't make any sense because Phil this is screwed up because Philemon didn't race Zagama, got second at Zagama, and is four places above Taylor Stack, who got third at Zagama, and then Dana got second, yeah, should be tied with Philemon, and somehow Philemon has 10 more points than Daniel.
00:48:12.400 -->
00:48:14.239This doesn't make any sense, so right.
00:48:14.400 -->
00:48:16.559That's what I'm thinking on the women's side, too.
00:48:16.639 -->
00:48:23.840So we maybe need to let it shake out a little bit more uh before announcing these overall rankings.
00:48:24.480 -->
00:48:25.840It's awfully, it's awfully funny.
00:48:25.920 -->
00:48:29.039I'm on their uh we're looking at their the team, I'm looking at the team rankings now.
00:48:29.119 -->
00:48:32.159It's awfully funny that Solomon obviously isn't is in first.
00:48:33.039 -->
00:48:34.320Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:35.599 -->
00:48:36.880Yeah, interesting.
00:48:37.039 -->
00:48:37.519Okay, all right.
00:48:37.599 -->
00:48:38.800So we'll put a pin on that.
00:48:38.880 -->
00:48:43.840Let's uh move on to um talking about the World Cup standings.
00:48:43.920 -->
00:48:44.639Um really cool.
00:48:44.719 -->
00:48:46.719I had Kieran Nay on the pod a few weeks ago.
00:48:46.800 -->
00:48:49.039We talked about uh his race over in China.
00:48:49.119 -->
00:48:51.599I know Courtney Coppinger had a great race over there.
00:48:51.679 -->
00:48:56.000Um Kieran, I think Taylor uh Tyler uh McCanlist was over there as well.
00:48:56.079 -->
00:48:59.039So there was some some strong representation from the American side.
00:48:59.119 -->
00:49:01.599Um so they've had a few races so far.
00:49:01.840 -->
00:49:09.599Uh none of the ones I can remember off the top of my head, other than the China one, and then I believe it was um one of the Canary Islands races as well.
00:49:09.760 -->
00:49:11.039I guess it was Madeira, I think it was.
00:49:11.360 -->
00:49:12.159Yeah, I think you're right.
00:49:12.239 -->
00:49:18.719I think there was a half marathon distance over there, and then they may have had a vertical distance as well.
00:49:18.880 -->
00:49:19.599I'm not sure.
00:49:19.760 -->
00:49:28.800I think some athletes have four races or points from four races, and then others have points from one or two races.
00:49:28.960 -->
00:49:35.119So um, there haven't been that many races that have happened yet, especially because sometimes they double up.
00:49:35.199 -->
00:49:39.679Like in China, there is an uphill race one day and then a classic race the next day.
00:49:39.760 -->
00:49:46.960So um there haven't been many races yet in this series, uh, but it is fun to see all their rankings so far.
00:49:47.440 -->
00:49:48.960Yes, no, big time, big time.
00:49:49.119 -->
00:49:53.840And I'm also really excited to see, you know, in previous years, we haven't seen a lot of Americans on the series.
00:49:53.920 -->
00:50:02.239Um, it's been very cool to see Courtney Coppinger like kind of getting in the mix there to see where she stacks up against those athletes versus like Golden Trail where she's raced in the past.
00:50:02.320 -->
00:50:15.840It's cool to see Kieran Nay, Tyler McCannless, like athletes that we've seen um, you know, just kind of go over there and and and shake it up against just different athletes, athletes that don't do the Skyrunner World Series or maybe don't do the Golden Trail World Series.
00:50:15.920 -->
00:50:19.440So it kind of gets mixed up, which is is nice to follow along.
00:50:19.519 -->
00:50:45.199Um on the men's side, Michael Sayoli at Kenyan is in is uh first in the rankings, followed by Andrew Douglas of Great Britain, followed by Isaac O Costa, um Italian in third, followed by Philemon in fourth, uh Richard Atreyu, uh Atua, sorry, Kenyan in fifth, and then um first American is in eighth with Tyler Michaelis, which is pretty exciting.
00:50:45.599 -->
00:50:46.880Yeah, that is exciting.
00:50:46.960 -->
00:50:49.039It's fun to have an American in the top ten.
00:50:49.360 -->
00:51:05.679Um, yeah, and then on the women's side, Joyce Andruru is in first place, Ruth uh Gatonga, sorry, is in second place, Camilla Magliano is in third place, Sarah Wilholt is in fourth, and then Maud is in fifth.
00:51:05.760 -->
00:51:13.679And then right behind Maud is Courtney Coppinger from the US in sixth place, and uh that's really, really cool to see.
00:51:13.760 -->
00:51:25.920She's only raced in two of the races um so far this year, so um she's back farther in sixth place than she would have if than she would be if she had raced some of the races earlier on, too.
00:51:26.079 -->
00:51:32.639I think most of the athletes that are in front of her have points from four at least three or four different races.
00:51:32.719 -->
00:51:37.119So it's cool to see her in sixth, um, even though she's only gotten points from two.
00:51:37.280 -->
00:51:39.519But she crushed those races over in China.
00:51:39.679 -->
00:51:50.000She uh came in third to Joyce and Maud in the uphill and then was second in the downhill and uh beat Maud uh and was second to Joyce in that race.
00:51:50.159 -->
00:51:56.239And so yeah, really, really cool to see her just crushing the trails in the early season.
00:51:56.400 -->
00:51:59.519And uh that was our opening race, I think, too.
00:51:59.599 -->
00:52:01.440So um really, really fun to see.
00:52:01.519 -->
00:52:03.840I'm super excited for her season this year.
00:52:04.559 -->
00:52:05.119Big time.
00:52:05.280 -->
00:52:07.280Oh my gosh, it's gonna be so fun to follow.
00:52:07.440 -->
00:52:08.079Um, yeah.
00:52:08.159 -->
00:52:08.800What else do you have?
00:52:09.119 -->
00:52:10.559I mean, I we've got to have her on the podcast.
00:52:10.719 -->
00:52:12.000Any any leaks, any info?
00:52:12.159 -->
00:52:14.480Do we know where what she's gonna be racing a bunch this year?
00:52:14.960 -->
00:52:16.000I mean, it might be her story.
00:52:16.400 -->
00:52:22.880I do know what she's gonna be racing, but I don't know if I want to leak it or she's trying to keep it uh top secret.
00:52:23.039 -->
00:52:26.639So but yeah, definitely have her on the podcast.
00:52:26.880 -->
00:52:28.639Yeah, she's pretty open about things.
00:52:28.719 -->
00:52:32.320I'm sure she would love to share, but I don't want to leak it.
00:52:32.719 -->
00:52:33.280That's fine.
00:52:33.360 -->
00:52:34.000That's fine.
00:52:34.159 -->
00:52:36.400Um, all right, back to Golden Trail.
00:52:36.480 -->
00:52:37.760I was just looking at the schedule.
00:52:37.920 -->
00:52:44.400Looks like we have a bit of a break um for like a solid month and a little more.
00:52:44.559 -->
00:52:56.639Uh looks like Quebec Mega Trail is gonna be the next race on the calendar, not it's which isn't happening until July 5th, um, followed by Solomon Plitz Alpen Glacier, which is gonna be on August 1st.
00:52:56.800 -->
00:52:59.679So we got a little bit of a break uh in between.
00:53:00.239 -->
00:53:05.599Um, and that obviously is because I mean, because Broken Arrow is no longer on that calendar.
00:53:05.679 -->
00:53:08.000So that's why there's a little bit of a break there, which is cool.
00:53:08.159 -->
00:53:08.480Not bad.
00:53:08.559 -->
00:53:11.280It gives athletes the ability to go do other things, you know.
00:53:11.679 -->
00:53:12.400Yeah, true.
00:53:12.559 -->
00:53:15.360And coming up soon in the US is the U.S.
00:53:15.440 -->
00:53:17.280Mountain Champs at Sunape.
00:53:17.679 -->
00:53:19.119Um, that's at the beginning of June.
00:53:19.199 -->
00:53:21.119So we have that to look forward to.
00:53:21.360 -->
00:53:24.559GoPro games in Colorado is in June.
00:53:24.800 -->
00:53:30.639Um, those I think are on the same weekend, so um, it may break up who is at each race.
00:53:30.800 -->
00:53:33.840Um, Cirque series is probably starting up pretty soon.
00:53:33.920 -->
00:53:36.480I feel like they kind of start up in the summer.
00:53:36.559 -->
00:53:42.000So yeah, we got a lot of series starting up or big races on the calendar coming up.
00:53:42.079 -->
00:53:44.800So yeah, it'll be a fun next few months.
00:53:45.199 -->
00:53:46.079It's gonna be crazy.
00:53:46.159 -->
00:53:53.599Yeah, we've got Mountain Running Champs that'll be, I think that's June 7th, followed by I think the following weekend will be Cirque Series Canon.
00:53:53.679 -->
00:53:56.639And then I think Cirque Series Killington's gonna be on the 28th.
00:53:56.800 -->
00:54:00.639Um, yes, and then I believe, yeah, I guess it is six, it is gonna be on the seventh.
00:54:00.719 -->
00:54:01.599When is Go programs?
00:54:01.679 -->
00:54:03.920It's the same weekend as Mountain Champs on the seventh.
00:54:04.239 -->
00:54:05.840I think so.
00:54:06.079 -->
00:54:11.679Um, I need to look again, but yeah, I know that brings a lot of top runners from Colorado out.
00:54:11.760 -->
00:54:16.159Um, but I don't know if they'll go over to Mountain Champs instead.
00:54:16.320 -->
00:54:17.440So yeah, we'll see.
00:54:17.599 -->
00:54:19.039Yeah, we're gonna find out.
00:54:19.119 -->
00:54:23.280Yeah, I know I'll be uh commentating for that and talking about it, but it's gonna be very fun.
00:54:23.440 -->
00:54:25.119This will be a good good mountain running champs.
00:54:25.199 -->
00:54:27.360I know Christian Allen is gonna be back in the mix this year.
00:54:27.599 -->
00:54:30.8002024 mountain running champion uh is gonna be over there.
00:54:30.880 -->
00:54:32.719Courtney Compinger, I saw on the start list.
00:54:32.880 -->
00:54:33.199Yeah.
00:54:34.079 -->
00:54:37.039I guess we can leave that race because I guess we can leave that.
00:54:37.119 -->
00:54:38.400I mean yeah.
00:54:39.840 -->
00:54:43.679Um, yeah, lots of really talented men and women, a lot of young guns.
00:54:43.840 -->
00:54:48.559Like there's this Aries Redding kid uh who won the big out to 28K.
00:54:48.639 -->
00:54:50.719He's from Boulder, he'll be out there.
00:54:50.880 -->
00:54:56.079Um, there's just a lot of like young athletes that are gonna be kind of throwing themselves in the mix, and then quite a few.
00:54:56.159 -->
00:55:04.159Uh, I think last year's collegiate uh national title holder um in the trail side, Oakley Olsen will be out there um competing as well.
00:55:04.239 -->
00:55:05.280So it'll be quite a few.
00:55:05.519 -->
00:55:07.119It should be a very fun race.
00:55:07.199 -->
00:55:09.840Not as big as last year, uh, but still fun nonetheless.
00:55:10.159 -->
00:55:14.559So yeah, and I think we kind of see that on years where there's no world team.
00:55:14.719 -->
00:55:16.480I feel like sometimes the U.S.
00:55:16.639 -->
00:55:33.280Mountain Champs becomes a little less competitive, um, not all the time, but I think this is kind of one of those years where if people are focused on something like broken arrow and don't want to break up their uh training regimen, they may skip out on um nationals, but it'll be Hugh GM probably next year.
00:55:33.440 -->
00:55:42.000Um, I do think that there is maybe a stronger men's field than women's field um out for Sunope just looking at the start list.
00:55:42.159 -->
00:55:51.280But who knows, you can always be surprised by people that uh it's their first year in trails and you don't know about them yet, and then they come out and have really good performances.
00:55:51.440 -->
00:55:56.480So um yeah, you always have to wait to race day to see how it actually shakes out.
00:55:56.639 -->
00:55:59.440But yeah, those will be fun races to watch.
00:55:59.760 -->
00:56:01.039And that's a gnarly course.
00:56:01.119 -->
00:56:03.920Like that course, if you're not ready for that, that course will beat you up.
00:56:04.079 -->
00:56:04.719That is true.
00:56:07.039 -->
00:56:11.199Not if you're athlete training in the in the mountain west, like be prepared for something different.
00:56:11.360 -->
00:56:12.800That's all I can I can say.
00:56:13.119 -->
00:56:13.920Yeah, very true.
00:56:14.000 -->
00:56:16.320They are East Coast trails for sure.
00:56:16.480 -->
00:56:24.559Um, yeah, some of them are really uh big kind of ski trails that are easier to run on the downhills.
00:56:24.639 -->
00:56:39.199Um, and some of the uphill is on fire roads, but there's a loop that's on a really, really technical section, uphill, and then um there's a part on the downhill that gets pretty technical, and it's just rocks and roots and classic East Coast uh running.
00:56:39.280 -->
00:56:45.280So yeah, it's both, I feel like you have to be good at everything to be able to run well on that course.
00:56:45.440 -->
00:56:52.480You have to be really good at the faster fire roadie type trails, but also really good at the techie stuff too.
00:56:52.880 -->
00:56:53.679It's very true.
00:56:53.840 -->
00:56:54.239Very true.
00:56:54.400 -->
00:56:55.440Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
00:56:55.679 -->
00:56:59.119We will see who who gets crowned the uh the mountain running champs for this year.
00:56:59.199 -->
00:57:11.840I know it's an off-year, which kind of stinks, but and it is a selection for uh D5 decalore, which will be the um the final, uh, which uh for the world mountain or worlds, not worlds, but um world cup, yeah, this year.
00:57:12.000 -->
00:57:12.639Yeah, that's right.
00:57:12.880 -->
00:57:14.000There's so everything's world.
00:57:14.159 -->
00:57:17.199There's always uh Yeah, I know it's very confusing.
00:57:17.440 -->
00:57:17.920Yeah.
00:57:18.159 -->
00:57:21.119Yeah, they are choosing a team from Sonne P.
00:57:21.360 -->
00:57:22.000So yeah.
00:57:22.079 -->
00:57:26.320Um, and they'll I think that's in Canada, the race that they'll go over for.
00:57:26.400 -->
00:57:26.639Yeah.
00:57:27.119 -->
00:57:36.639Yeah, and Quebec, uh, which is another one that's uh on a ski resort and very steep, very uh not super technical, just very steep and uh very fast.
00:57:36.800 -->
00:57:38.159So it'll be fun to follow.
00:57:38.239 -->
00:57:40.400And yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a good year.
00:57:40.480 -->
00:57:42.480I can't believe we're already so deep into this.
00:57:42.719 -->
00:57:43.440Uh yeah.
00:57:43.840 -->
00:57:45.760Yeah, lots of lots more races to go.
00:57:45.840 -->
00:57:48.159So Rachel, I think it's a good place to put a pin in it.
00:57:48.239 -->
00:57:49.440Uh until the next one.
00:57:49.599 -->
00:57:50.320Thank you so much.
00:57:50.480 -->
00:57:56.159Always fun conversating uh and breaking down the results of uh some of the some of the races that went down.
00:57:56.239 -->
00:57:57.119And uh thank you so much.
00:57:57.280 -->
00:57:57.920I appreciate it.
00:57:58.159 -->
00:57:58.719Yeah, yeah.
00:57:58.800 -->
00:57:59.679Thanks for having me on.
00:57:59.760 -->
00:58:00.639This was fun.
00:58:01.039 -->
00:58:02.320Yeah, thank you.
