*Throwback* Discussing 'Generation 68: The Elite Revolution and Its Legacy' w/ Adam from Myth20c and Lance Legion

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gentlemen here from Metho the twentieth Century.
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How are you doing, Adam, I'm doing great, and Lance
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is a recurring guest, but he has his own show,
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so I just want to make sure that Lance gets
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an opportunity to mention that. But I'm thankful that you
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had us both on Hey problem how you doing, Lance.
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I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. I'm a
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big fan, by the way, so thank you for having
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me on.
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Thank you. What show do you do on your own?
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So I do Lance's Legion and I do a bunch
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of military kind of esque related things, also political kind
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of analyzes and stuff like that. But it's more theory
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and just interesting military stuff. But I've been on a
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h anti communist bentz from the Cold War era, and
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so this becomes salient to me. I'm very excited to
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be talking about the Revolution of sixty eight with you guys.
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Oh man, if you're your anti communist stuff, I would
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love to hear what you have. What you think of
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Thomas's take on the Cold War?
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Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know like ten
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parts on that, but I can't keep up.
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Yeah, yeah, it's funny. We spoke.
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We spoke when Henry Kissinger passed away. It was actually
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very interesting. He had to be a lot of interesting
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things to say. Oh you spoke to him, Yeah, yeah,
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a while agoing on the X spaces that there is.
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But yeah, absolutely, I don't want to take away from
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from what's going on right here, but let's get into it.
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Sure. So the I guess the reason we're getting together
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is that Carrie Bolton released a book called through Antelope
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Pill Press, Generation sixty eight, The Elite Revolution and its
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Legacy start with Adam And you guys can go back
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and forth. I don't you know? What?
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Do?
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What you do? What? What's the interest in generation sixty eight?
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What you know?
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The sixties was the big deal.
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Aside from the media always portraying it as like the
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best era ever, I'm not even sure if it pales
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and compares in the World War Two. I mean the
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amount of media that Woodstock and the heat Ashbury and
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the Hell's Angels, all that, all that stuff.
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It's so glamorized.
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And my parents actually grew up in that sort of
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time and know some of it from a personal level,
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not from partaking in it, but just having been caught
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up in it. And they can tell me at least
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that they I was played up a lot. Now, a
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lot of it was obviously true, but it was definitely glamorized.
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And I think as a cultural point, just taken on
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its faces, you can't get.
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Away from it.
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Now it has deeper implications as well, and those are
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more complicated, and I think the book does a good
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job tying it to some of the elite powers that
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were actually either co opting it, funding it directly, trying
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to steer it, or trying to deflect it away from them,
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because it was very much sort of a cultural revolution
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in the West in a time when communism seemed to
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be in the East on the rise, and I think
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it was a very close to home experience for a
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lot of people, and in the implications are still the
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waves are still being felt today in our generations, and
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a lot of the people in political power also grew
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up in that generation. I think a lot of that
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mindset is still stuck in their heads. And you can
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call it the boomers or whatever, but you know, these people,
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we just cannot get away from.
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Them, the boom set, no, absolutely. And I think the
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follow on interesting part is, of course, as time progresses
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and we live in this kind of meta organism of culture,
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we tend to misunderstand history that is extremely proximate to us,
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and the Cold War is really not something that's really over.
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We're feeling the secondary and tertiary effects of the social
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subversion policies and general subversion, Soviet subversion of the United States,
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and a lot of it comes to its fruition during
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this time. Obviously, this is something that most Americans are
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unaware about because most of the mythos and interest it
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predates the Revolution of sixty five and sixty eight. Right,
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it focuses specifically on the paradigm of the Second World War. However,
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so much has changed since then that really the most
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salient aspects to be recognizing in analyzing is precisely this
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moment in history, this crux, this time paradigm shift, which
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is why I was so interested on it, and I
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am so. I butted myself in on this conversation because
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it's absolutely necessary to be kind of reviewing and passing
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as time goes forward.
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Well, one of the things he starts talking out about
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is the idea of the inclusive economy, which was heavily
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promoted by the Rockefeller Foundation. And when I look at that,
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I see obviously a planned economy, but I also see
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the civil rights error, the Civil Rights Act, and a
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plan to basically shape an economy around everyone everyone's needs
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and not to you know, not to embrace my my
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Austrian economics background. You know that, I question strongly. I
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loved your episode with Micah actually on on List. That
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was that was wonderful. That was that was very edifying
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because I really need to read that book. I've studied.
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I've read everything about List except reading List at this point.
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And when when I look at this in economy like
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they were trying to create and it just it seems
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like it's a it's just a straight reflection of the
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kind of society that they wanted to create, and the
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kind of society they wanted to create was bound to
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and we saw it just became one of tension. You know.
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I read Race Warren High School by Saltzman on my show,
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the whole book, and we saw what integrating the schools
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did and basically now you're looking to integrate the economy
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in just about the same way. And to me, that
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just seems like an ultimate disaster.
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There's a there's a movie out there by one of
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these documentary guys on the dissident right, and it was
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by the title of Communism by the back Door, and
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I haven't watched it in a while, but it's quite
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good and I really think that it sort of encapsulates
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what's going on here, and it's it's easy to sort
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of label things. Maybe communism isn't the best descriptor, but
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I think it's good enough. And if I actually to
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compliment you, Pete, I listened to one of your shows
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that you did with Yuri Maltsaf and if anybody hasn't
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heard him off.
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You really were to You really were digging deep, weren't you.
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Well.
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It was fantastic because he grew up in the Soviet
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Union and he clarified what marks defined communism as correctly,
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but colloquially, when we call communism communism, we're actually talking
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about socialism. But communism was a government free society that
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everybody was an angel, and they did everything they're supposed
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to do, and you would go and get what you
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need and produce for other people without them asking.
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It's a fantasy, but it grabs hold of people who.
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Are probably missing out in their own society and they
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want something and they want the government or they want
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the ideology to provide for them. And I think that's
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really encapsulating. What was going on in the sixties was
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there were these opposition forces outside of the West that
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had alternative systems, and the powers that be in the
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West were like, Okay, we don't want to lose power,
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and we don't want to necessarily hand it over to
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the polop Bureau, but we need like the Rockefellers in particular,
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and the Fords get mentioned and other people, but the
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Rockefellers are recurring throughout this book.
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They I think, and you could say the Rothschilds or
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anybody like that.
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They want to sort of keep their power, but do
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it in a hidden way, through the back door, so
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that it's not obvious that they're pulling a lot of
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the strings. And David Rockefeller actually ran for he had
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I think, had a presidential campaign, and he was the
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governor of New York. That's as bad as political as
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they got. But a lot of their power was through
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the foundations. They set up the Museum of Modern Art,
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which had relationships with the CIA and stuff like that.
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And I think it's a very sophisticated model. Actually, it's
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a diffuse way that actually works only in a sort
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of quasi democratic system where people have a sense that
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they can elect those that represent them. And I've said
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this over and over on my show, but there was
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a very good academic research paper by two professors by
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the name of Gillen's and Paige, and they observed that
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the correlation between the opinions of the masses, the voters basically,
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and what Congress does is almost zero. So in effect,
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you're voting doesn't change anything in Congress. But what does
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change Congress is the donor class. And these are the
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Rockefeller types. And so I think this book documents how
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they go through the civil rights movement, setting up modern art,
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doing all these other things. And it's really kind of
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a secretive, backdoor thing. And is it really communism, I
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don't know. It's maybe a form of corporatism, but it's
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basically an elite power system. And you can look at
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where Davos is and it's kind of a global version
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of that. But you know, the Rockefellers, you know, funded
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the un and they built that whole thing, and they've
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donated the land. And you can start to see once
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you have that much power and wealth, you start thinking
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on a grander scale than just your community obviously, and
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even your nation. And so I think it's an interesting
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evolution of thought that probably can be traced back to
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the end of the Second World War, and it really
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got going on the streets in the sixties.
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But yeah, the book the book does.
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A fantastic job, and I really commend you for having
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mister Maltsovon, because I thought he spoke from genuine authority,
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giving that he lived in the Soviet Union and he
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saw the horrors of it, and he saw how many
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people that system killed, not just in Russia but in
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China and everywhere else that was tried. And he's banging
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the drum on, you know, as a professor to his
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students who don't want to hear it because they live
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in a nice society and they're kind of spoiled, and
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they're kind of like the kids after World War Two
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where their parents fought in.
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The war and they had had.
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Them and they didn't really have to struggle. And I
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don't know what causes this, but it's it's interesting, and
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I think the end of the Cold War maybe reproduce
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that here in that like it was another war that
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was over and there's another generation that's going through this
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nonsense and so but we'll maybe get to that later
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as to like how it's affecting today.
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Bolton pretty much concludes the chapter or the first chapter,
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by stating that he, in his opinion, the election of
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Biden is a resumption of the globalist's agenda along with
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the new Left, which represents groups like Antifa, and they
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continues to agitate in the streets to make the country ungovernable.
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I know when we hear the term global ast, we
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immediately think of Alex Jones. But what was what's your
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opinion on either one of you on Bolton's take there?
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Do you mind if I take this?
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Go for it.
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So my understanding, especially when you delve into the kind
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of Marxian stratum of the United States especially, is that
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the origins and the roots of our leftists generally come
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from Gramsci communism, which is a different brand than Marxist
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Leninism or Maoism and primarily focuses on cultural questions as
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the vehicle for social, societal economic change downstream. And for
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those of you who don't know Antonio Grahams, she is
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this guy who was an Italian communist who was imprisoned
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under Mussolini, who stayed in prison for twenty years, wrote
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this thing called the Prison Notebooks, and in them he
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basically elucidated that the Marxian paradigm of seizing the material
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means of production by the worker for a proletariat state
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ultimately do not harbor. First of all, it's not as
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an effective vehicle for revolution, nor is it efficacious in
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the long term. Why is this because most people, as
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society anglosphere, we are irrational, and to form irrational opinions
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than the economic considerations that we have, or especially marx
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and so the new Left, or what is actually just
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cultural power first and then through that while maintaining of
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course ties with capitalist powers such as the Rockefellers and
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and condition a difference of revolution cultural revolution. This has
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the Second World War, but it really took an entire
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generation from World War Two all the way down to
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the Baby Boomers and found such fertile ground precisely because
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the highest levels of governance as well as education were
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these ex communist individuals who had exfiltrated from the ex
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Soviet sphere or had close ties and so on and
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so forth. Figures that come to mind that we probably
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different individuals. Now, this is important because I think, especially
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to be the nexus of political power. Where I think
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they have us hooked is the fact that they're able
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to change culture and then they can they basically tap
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into the monetary power. But I think it's important to
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state that, especially in the second chapter of the book,
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where it talks about, for instance, women's liberation. This is
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why this is so important because social questions figure pre
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eminently over material questions, and material questions come later. Did
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you notice that, I mean, maybe push back on me,
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but that's just my personal view of how things kind
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figure out, which is something that actually libertarians don't have
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an answer for, is that Graham she could figured out
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how to radicalize the private. The whole idea of the
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whole idea of Marxism was you were going to take over,
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take over the state, and you know, eventually it went
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awayh YadA, YadA. I mean, there's a lot more in
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between I can go through lenin two. But the gram
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let's when you see when you see something like the
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inclusive economy, you and once you grasp that concept, then
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you understand why DEEI is here, You understand why ESG
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is here, You understand why there are trans people, you know,
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trans people in every every third or fourth commercial. Precisely
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all of this needs to be brought in. And this
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is this is a direct result of Grams. She understanding
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that Sombart wrote a book, Verner Sombart wrote them why
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is there no socialism in America? And basically because I
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mean simply, people like to own shit, And that's what
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he came down to. So once once somebody like gram
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Chi figures that out, then he's like, okay, well we
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got to figure out a way around this and radicalizing
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figuring out how to radicalize the private you know, which
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is something that then libertarians and civic nationalists have to
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basically defend that, well, it's a private company, bro, they
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can do what they want, and they don't realize that
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the social engineers are at work. And you know, one
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of the reasons I stopped being a libertarian was I said,
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they libertarianism has no answer for social engineers, and neither
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does neither does republicanism, conservatism pretty much anybody accept this
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progressive worldview precisely, precisely.
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this term cultural Marxism pop up, and it's funny. I
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don't even know if the left uses that term.
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I've only heard it at right.
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That's why I don't use it.
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Yeah, and I don't know what it means, but it
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just my rough understanding and maybe correct me here is
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that it's just an attempt at Marxism obviously, I think,
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at least by other means. And it's not necessarily through
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getting people to voluntarily join this giant global corp that
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owns everything and you own nothing, although Klaus Schwab would
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like that, but he's dying apparently.
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But they'll find somebody else, though. But I think I've.
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left type people observe that, as you just said, people
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like to own stuff, and so we need another way
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to get to Marxism. And maybe it's through culture. Maybe
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it's through race, And I think the race relations are
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I think a key.
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Vector for that.
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I mean, the book talks about black panthers. Nowadays it's
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blacks are such a minority frankly that it's more hispanics
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and stuff like that. But there's just a lot of
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different groups, and using the different groups against each other
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to fracture the sort of remaining wasp elite. I guess
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that supposedly still there. It doesn't seem to be there anymore,
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but I think that's been a huge vector. Now call
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it what you want, I don't know, but I think
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that there's some truth to that.
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The interesting thing is it's the same dialectic, however. I mean,
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it's I probably saying something that you boys already know.
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But originally under Marx it was you know, the bourgeoisie
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or the proletary against the BOURGEOISI The same dialectic maintains,
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except it's the oppressed versus the oppressor, and that paradigm
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can be grafted onto any kind of social conflict where
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anyone perceived to be the oppressed has the upper hand.
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and so and secondly, I don't mind us actually generating
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terminology and culture ourselves. That's precisely what we need to
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start doing, is actually being self confident in our own
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academic terms, our own type of language, because when you
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start using the frame of your adversary.
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as cultural Marxism and other kinds of terminology that they
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don't use because it's advantageous to us because it advances
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our paradigm. So I'll just leave it there. But Pete,
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do you have anything.
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that the you know, when you look at what gram
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she was teaching, well, Gram, she's writing from jail. And
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even though he well, you need a way to get
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this out there, you need a way to communicate this
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to the masses. You need a way for the masses
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to buy in. And even though he predates in gram
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sheet in his activity, I would say that probably, I
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don't know, you can push back on this, that probably
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no one did more to help to push forward at
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least the spirit of what she was talking about, more
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than Edward Berne's springs up in the second chapter. Yeah.
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No, And you're precisely right. The reason why I bring
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Crumb She's because it provides US Westerners who are unfamiliar,
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especially if you're not an autistics bog such as myself
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researching all this kind of stuff. It gives people the
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starting block, right, And I'm really grateful. I'm grateful for
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this book because it really goes into fleshing out and
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the later acolytes of gram Shee downstream, because they are
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really effectual. I mean, look at society the world now.
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I mean it's not just the United States. It's infected
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every aspect of the West. It's infected even Russia for instance,
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and the p RC as well, or the People's Republic
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of China by the way. So it's it's incredibly effective
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and the answer must be found, and I guess that's
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what we're doing here, is trying to find it through
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this book, you know.
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in the book is that uh Brene's seeking to advise
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the c i A on its ideological offensive against the
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US s R. And you know that he was involved
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in in that. And one of the things that he
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writes in there is that the New Left, rather than
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being a Soviet a Soviet plot more had its origins
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in the in the Cold War, which I think anybody
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who's looked at the U the foundation of where of
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the Trotskyites in the United States and crossing over into
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neo Conservatism and then just carrying on through the Cold War,
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that doesn't come as a surprise to many.
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Yeah. And I mean to add on to that, I
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think there is a lot of I mean, if you
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read Stalin's work, for instance, by Sean mcmakon, it's he
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makes a compelling case to talk about the deep socialist
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integration with the American government in the twenties and thirties,
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and obviously that bear fruit during World War Two and
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our close association with Uncle Joe. But I don't think
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the so you noticed that a lot of these individuals
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that were moles or you know, actors for the Soviet
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Union during the war and a little bit after their
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disassociation with the Soviet Union is probably genuine. I believe
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what happened was primarily America became a Pinko state with
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its own unique brand of communism. And it's basically too
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common in the States to communist ideologies with their own
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paradigms battling each other out. Very interesting kind of paradigm
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to see. And I think the you know, you hear
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Yuri besman Off, everyone talks about him, I'm not really
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so sanguine on him. But he does make the point
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that a lot of KGBA officers felt that if the
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Cold War had permanence another thirty years, that they would
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have won, and I really doubt that. I think that
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what would have happened is just that America would have
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just gone a lot more crazy, you know, it just
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continued to be what it is today.
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Well, just going going back to the premise that the
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Soviets and the Americans are not that different, I think
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is kind of interesting and I'll completely agree. But I
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think the book does put forward the notion that after
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the end of the war, both sides wanted to be
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the rulers of the next step, and they kind of
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wanted the other side to join them, and because they
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didn't want to join each other or join the other
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as the leader, they wanted to be the leader. There
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was a huge rift that happened. And that's not really
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a controversial statement. But the notion that America itself was
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actually kind of a globalist operation, the UN being in
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New York, etc. And wanting the Russians to basically come
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into that. Maybe you can call it neoliberalism. I'm not
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really sure what to call it. That's more of a
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post Cold War term that kind of took shape during
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globalization perhaps, but I think that's an interesting way to
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explore it.
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Whether the Soviets would.
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Have defeated the United States or the United States would
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have morphed into what it is now, I don't know.
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I think my current premise is that what we're going
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through right now with like the trans write stuff, I
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think it's because we quote unquote won the Cold War.
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We don't have a real enemy to cause us to
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doubt what we're saying, and maybe, you know, focus on
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bigger priorities. I think we just kind of are screwing
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around too much. But that's just my rough understanding of
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what's going on.
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Well, finally, coming forward to the sixties, he starts talking
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about critical theory and the critical theorists and brings up
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Marcuse and his description of marcuse synthesizing Forredy and psychoanalysis
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with Marxism to challenge Western culture and morality is probably
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a good starting point and a probably good overall description
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of what was being promoted in the sixties in the
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counter culture.
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So yeah, and I mean I've read Marcus is a
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Repressive Tolerance on on my show before, gone over it,
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and yeah, he's I mean, when you realize that he
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was Paul Gottfried's thesis advisor, Yeah, you realize, Wow, this
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guy was This guy was in the United States, he
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was working, and he was working in you know, h
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my parents' lifetime, your parents lifetime. So it's uh, just
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watching that when you take into consideration, if you've if
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you've studied Freud at all, if you've read Freud at all,
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and once you see exactly what was being promoted in
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the sixties, it's almost impossible not to see how Freddian
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psychoanalysis was influencing. It had an influence over so much
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of the propaganda and engineering that was putting that was
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being put out there.
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Of course, you mentioned Berne's I mean, he was Freud's cousin.
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I think you know, I have cousins too. We don't
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all agree. Doesn't necessarily mean that you know that that's
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like the family strategy, but it is interesting, it's very interesting,
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and I don't I don't know as much about this
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as you do, Pete, I think, but how related is
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that to the Frankfurt School and the studies of authoritarian personality,
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because that's something I have looked at a little bit more.
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Well it is. I mean, the the Rockefeller Foundation, it
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was the American Jewish Committee that was responsible for the
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authoritarian personality, but I think the the American Jewish Committee
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got got money from the Rockefeller Foundation. I mean, the
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Rockefeller Foundation did fund Kinsey's Kinsey's sexology studies. I mean,
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he's basically like the American version of Magnus Herschfeld. But yeah,
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it definitely is this all ties together because at the
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end of the authoritarian personality, it says, well, how are
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we going to deal with these fascists? These people are
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just becoming fascists, They're on the roads of fascism. And
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it was Aeros Yeah, and then you look in it's like,
487
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well what books did the Rockefeller Foundation put out and fund?
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Aeros and civilization one one dimensional man? So yeah, drugs
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in rock and roll.
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It's interesting how the impulse had leaked into the wider
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I mean he even talks about it, you know, the
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wider cultural zeitgeist and the primacy of sex in a
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way that wasn't really present present beforehand in history. And
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the emphasis of course, especially now that there are a
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lot of like neurocognition studies that coming out about you know,
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obviously dopamine and all that kind of stuff and conditioning,
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and of course the most important part is the like
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what's it called. It's the inability for for when you
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fry your dopamine receptors, there's like this cognitive situation that
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your rise. Yeah, it's not even dissonance, it's it's about
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lack of self discipline that that are basically cause causes
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erosion in the brain, lack of will uh self, how
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do you say self policing, And it's precisely what this
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entire ideology is predicated on, basically keeping people from actually
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having sovereignty agency by eroding them slowly over time, you know.
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And there's a reason why, for instance, pornography is you
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weaponize in the military operations and uh, I mean aside
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from lowering testosterone in populations, et cetera, but it also
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kind of breeds that apathetic type of personality.
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You're not the first to notice this, but I think
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the way you just put it made me no, no,
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I'm giving a compliment here. The fact that dopamine is
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actually a drug in a sense, if it's actually artificially stimulated,
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is something I hadn't considered. But that is one of
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the easiest ways to grab hold of people through entertainment
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basically and keep them hooked in whatever you're pushing selling marketing.
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I mean it goes back to propaganda. I mean, it's
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like you glamorize it, you make it sexy. I mean,
519
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Brenees was famous for the craziest pr campaign I'd ever
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read about.
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And you guys probably know about.
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This, but you know, women were considered too delicate and important,
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frankly to be smokers back in the early nineteen hundreds.
524
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And it was during I think one of the World
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War One parades or something that Brene's suggested to a
526
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cigarette marketing agency to give beautiful women cigarettes to smoke
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at the parade. And this was done or described as
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torches of freedom. And just there's that stupid word again,
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where everybody is just given these or welling in concepts
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that don't necessarily mean what they actually are, are told
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you as. But you know, I mean think about smoking.
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I mean, you know, I know people have had lunk
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cancer from this shit.
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And it's like.
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You're telling the women that they're free and liberated now
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because they're they're polluting their lungs. And so the beautiful women,
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of course is the sex appeals. It encourages men obviously
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to want to partake, but it also encourages other women
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to emulate because they admire those women. And so it's
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in pornography is obvious, you know, but you know even
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movies watching, you know, the Academy Awards. You know how
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much effort these actors and actresses put into their their
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outfits and trying to stimulate your senses. You know, it's
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almost satanic. I mean, if you're if you're religious, it's
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it's it's it's creepy, but it works.
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It's very powerful.
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But keeping it from to a secular paradigm. The most
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interesting thing about subversion is that it's always in the
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oblique right. It's conflating terms that we understand with sustenance
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or the substance of that term, instantiating it with ideas
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which are foreign. And that is precisely what happens throughout
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this book that he writes. Is basically, there are old
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terms such as freedom, liberty, et cetera, and they're conflated
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and injected with foreign abscesces which become of course organic
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over time. Now, how do you push back on that?
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It's almost impossible because either you're a square, which is
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where the original term came from, right, You're you're like
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a Christian ultra prude or whatever. Or if you try
559
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to do the opposite, which is the Yuka Mishima type,
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you go into like the saline doing drugs, and out
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you become no different from them, and in effact they
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win simply because they tear down the nature of society
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together because there's no way to out maneuver drug addiction.
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I mean unless you're like the Taliban, where you have
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it totalitarian state and you're able to make discipline happen.
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But you can't do that in a democracy where people
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have personal freedom, because all you got to do is
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induce them with this kind of drug addiction, whether it's
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pornography or other kinds of dopaminergic tricks, if that makes sense.
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And you see this precisely with even TV shows in
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the fifties, sixties, and seventies, which start to condition the
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populace to accept for instance, the breakdown of the family
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having single parent homes, which was unheard of before, and
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start glamorizing, making heroines out of these individuals. It's very
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interesting because a lot of the things that we take
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for granted, especially myself, I'm a younger generation who has
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no experience of what it was like before. For them,
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it was something that was like a slow moving collapse.
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I mean, isn't gen X The Latchkey kids precisely from
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this nexus that we're talking about that originates it. It's scary,
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it's scary.
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Yeah, the book doesn't touch upon feminism too too much,
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but obviously the latch Key phenomenon is effectively a result
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of that. And I kind of grew up as one.
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You know, my mother.
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I don't like to speak about my family publicly on
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this type of format, but you know, just roughly like
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she she did have a few jobs and so and
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I don't resent it, but it just it was more
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and more common, and I think that was unheard of
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not too far back, and that's some of that is economic,
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but I think some of it is definitely by design.
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I think it was Aaron Russo he talked about how
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like the Rockefellers were pushing this stuff basically to weaken
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the individual family, basically to keep that power away from.
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The people and and keep it held by the elites.
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Well, yeah, the sixties really one of the big messages
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was liberation from repression. And that goes to the free,
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free sex, that goes to feminism, that goes to everything.
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And you know, they're just basically trying to undermine traditional
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morality and create a society that that's fractured of traditional bonds.
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And you know, when you take into consideration like the
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post nineteen forty five what we called it, what a
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bunge of us called the Nuremberg regime, the liberal the
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liberal international order. It requires a fluidity in all things
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and that helps them to maximize profit, production and consumption.
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But it's also a control mechanism.
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Yeah, that great term divided imperia. You know, the individual.
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When we make atomic individuals, you have granulated everyone, you
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have completely dominated them to the individual level. And I
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agree with you, and I think the greater, the most
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malicious thing is this aversion to paint right, Because what
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they call oppression or whatever really implied between the lines,
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is this aversion to paint self sacrifice, probably taking opportunity
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costs of yourself, your personal development. For instance, women, right,
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you forego a career to have a family. Well, that's
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what this technology, this societal technology does, is it dissolves
618
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the cultural structures which reinforce teamwork and induces them to
619
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do what they've done since then and obviously has deleterious
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fertility effects. It has deleterious societal effects. And we're starting
621
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to see that now of course, as like the age
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pyramids are you know, getting older and all these kind
623
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of issues that are arising. But we are only starting
624
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to see the terminus of this cancer, the ugly head
625
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of this cancer come true, because it's going to start
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affecting not just the Western populace, but also you know,
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even those people from originally third world countries and populations.
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So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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But returning to the book, I guess I wanted to
630
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ask you your opinion specifically I'm McCarthy and the interplay
631
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between what was going on in the sixties with McCarthy
632
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and if you had any thoughts on that.
633
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Through the sixties you mean anti con continued anti cons immunist.
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Uh, yes, McCarthy.
635
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Sorry, Joseph McCarthy. Well, he was what the fifties, I think,
636
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but yeah, it's about after.
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I mean he he pretty much. I think the problem
638
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with McCarthy is is that he discredited himself. He would
639
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constantly change numbers. He was he he was drunk a lot.
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And I think what he did he pointed out, he
641
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made great points and he people try to connect him
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to Huac and it's like, well, me, he's a senator.
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The best thing he did was was inspired Hugh ac
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and also just basically have a He really gave the
645
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right it's real last win, like real win. I mean,
646
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able to take out some take out some communists, take
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out a couple literally.
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Yeah, and.
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Nixon was floating around during that era. I can't remember
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if you worked with McCarthy directly, but he definitely put
651
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on some of those same people on on the stand,
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some of the Hollywood types. And he obviously got taken
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out when he got into power.
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But in early in the early sixties, I mean the
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when he ran against Kennedy. Most of the vitriol he
656
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got from the press it has been attributed now to
657
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his associations to McCarthy. Macarthy, I guess the.
658
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Reason why I bring it up is because whenever you
659
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denounced the enemy as commis or whatever, they they have
660
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so completely conditioned society to discourage any kind of criticism
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because that's that's the red scare, that's McCarthyism, that's you know, illiberalism,
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whatever it is. But he was onto something. I mean,
663
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.679
he was spot on, and I think the most interesting
664
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thing is just small at side here just recently twenty seventeen,
665
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I think it was twenty nineteen, excuse me, twenty twenty
666
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documents regarding Senator McCarthy when he was going through, of course,
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purging communists from the army and the military in general.
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Then he started working into the federal government. He had
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a lot of personal communicators with the CIA before then, right,
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and then finally he was inching closer to the CIA,
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and he's starting to open up inquiries into the CIA,
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and then guess what happened. His whole career got shut down.
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So it's very interesting to see because we start to
674
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understand who has the locus of power, who is the
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one that has truly the power in that kind of
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political paradigm, if that makes sense, And the reason why
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I bring it up is because a lot of people
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they they disregard anyone who criticized the CIA because they
679
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believe that it's just tinfoil hat type situation. But there
680
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is increasing evidence, mounting evidence to show that the criticism
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of the nineteen forty seven Security Act, the National Defense
682
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Act or whatever was definitely a big problem. And the
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origin of those course the Pinko OSS. And it's very
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interesting because of you know, I read this book and
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I just start seeing the connections between the OSS, the
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oligarchs for instance, you know, the Rockefeller Foundation and so on,
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and the people on the ground, like the hippies and whatever.
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And it's very weird because the FBI, ironically enough, was
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the last vestige of anti communist action well into the sixties.
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It was only after, of course, Martin Luther King that
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whole situation, did they start becoming part of the I guess,
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how do you say, you know, state aligned if that
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makes sense.
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The deep state.
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Yeah, it's scary, you know, well.
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They they were in effect part of the deep state,
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but it just wasn't oriented towards the goals that it
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seems to be oriented towards today. I mean, it was
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genuinely more anti communist during Hoover's era, obviously at the FBI,
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that was one of his big, big things, but afterwards
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I think they just got I.
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Don't know, I think maybe closer to that CIA almost.
703
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.039
It's like how the CIA doesn't necessarily view communism as
704
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a good thing. But whatever, this emerging alternative globalist neoliberal,
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I mean, we really need to figure out what it
706
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should be called. But it's something else. I think neoliberalism,
707
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to me is probably the most accurate way of putting it.
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But there are so many groups here. Maybe we should
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go back to where the book guides us to keep
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it keep it focused.
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But you know, it's all right.
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You brought up neoliberal as which leads me into my
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next point was bringing up the march through the institutions
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and how the Fabian society in Britain was such an
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influence among the intelligentsia through the London School of Economics
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and political science, and how students of nineteen sixty eight
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in the London School of Economics became establishment figures who
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helped shape new labor in the nineteen nineties which basically
719
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brought in and champion global capitalism and neoliberalism, and yee,
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it seems like that this was a again top down
721
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This wasn't something that those hippies were pushing in the streets,
722
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but it was something that a Fabian society, who I
723
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mean we know names that are associated with them in
724
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the past, that were able to were able to do
725
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to bring in this global capitalism neoliberalism, which I think
726
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.760
we can agree when we look at it now, it's
727
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basically a function of helping transform lifestyles and democratizing society,
728
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:20.639
reform the institutions, and just basically break with any kind
729
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of true right wing legacy.
730
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Well, let's, for my edification, at the very least, let's
731
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review the Fabian school as opposed to maybe the Leninist,
732
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Marxist or Soviet approach to socialism. My rough recollection is
733
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that it was sort of let's use the velvet glove
734
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to persuade as opposed to coerce instead of using the
735
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iron fist.
736
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Is that roughly right? Or clarify for me if you.
737
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Could, sure, Yeah, I mean the Fabian Society they founded
738
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the London School of Economics in eighteen ninety five. That is,
739
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we're not talking about people who are like, well, we
740
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need to go out into the streets we need to
741
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arm the proletariat, or talking about people who are like
742
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we're going to take over people's minds. Yeah, so yeah,
743
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this was truly the march for the march for the institution.
744
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Well, the London School of Economics. Gosh, there should be
745
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a book out there that covers that place. But I
746
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.800
have noticed, just anecdotally, how many key figures there are
747
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that have done a circuit through that place. And I've
748
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been to London only a couple of times, and I've
749
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never been inside that school, but I would only imagine
750
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.960
the types of discussions they're having. And it seems to
751
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be one of those feathers in a lot of world
752
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leaders caps or sort of the Anglo sphere at least
753
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to sort of say, well, I went to Harvard, but
754
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then I got my graduate to great London School of Economics.
755
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It seems to be a pattern I've noticed.
756
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Yeah, to say the least, I think Edward Luthfag went too.
757
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So I mean, I'm not even sure I wouldn't go.
758
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I mean, like I why not. You know, it doesn't
759
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mean you have to agree with them, but you'll learn something,
760
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you know.
761
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No, don't get me wrong, and don't get me wrong,
762
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I'm not conflating. Just because someone went there doesn't mean
763
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that they are a partisan of that situation. I mean,
764
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we know a lot of guys in our sphere that
765
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have gone to you know, ivy leagues, you know, and
766
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you know they remain unscathed. You know, they made it through.
767
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You know, you talk about the march of the institutions.
768
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I mean, that's what the left did, so why don't
769
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.599
why shouldn't the right do the same thing, you know,
770
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to sort of this notion that we have to stand
771
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.920
aside from all the elite institutions and just let them burn.
772
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.880
I mean, that's that's one approach, But I would also say,
773
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.559
infiltrate and study is another one.
774
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.199
And do what you can add to the best of
775
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your ability.
776
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You know, I would say, I would even go one further.
777
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I would say that's incredibly important. However, the thing that
778
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.880
communists have that we don't is that they understand what
779
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.320
they're here for. They get what the end state is.
780
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They have an end state, they understand what the end
781
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.760
goal is. And we can't agree on what the end
782
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goal is. Therefore, we're not able to plan downwards. You know,
783
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we can't. We don't even have the strategic self understanding,
784
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how can we have operations or even tactical level efficacious moves,
785
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.159
if that makes sense? And so what would we be
786
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:26.000
marching through for? What would we be espousing? What would
787
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.639
be you know, championing? And that is the thing that
788
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.840
we have to answer, which we can probably deduce by
789
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:35.840
the oblique from learning from the new Left, from the
790
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gram Shite Left when they when they talk about, for instance,
791
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.159
societal values that they want to condition, maybe we should
792
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.239
be able to self reflect and induce within ourselves or
793
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precipitate within ourselves the core values that we have, and
794
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.400
then we champion those, and then of course we create
795
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something organic ourselves, and then we can counterthrust and do
796
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the same thing as well. I think that's where I'm
797
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kind of I'm still masticating this idea myself. I'm still
798
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processing and trying to figure out myself. And I'm assuming
799
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that's why we're meeting here, you and I and Pete
800
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as well. We're trying to find that answer, like a
801
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.559
Knight's on the Holy Grail? Is what is it that
802
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.920
we truly live for? What is our one thousand and
803
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.320
one goals? As Nietzsche would say, and Ultimately, that's a
804
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it's a quest that we're all on and I feel
805
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.440
that we're coming upon it. Especially. I mean, say what
806
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.480
you want about Dugan, I don't really like the guy,
807
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.639
but what I can see is the tendrils of something
808
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.599
new over the horizon and overcoming of the paradigm of
809
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.360
sixty eight, right, And I think that's precisely why we
810
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.920
should reflect on what they're doing. Precisely because even they
811
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they are defined by mythos of their enemy.
812
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Right.
813
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.039
So, for instance, in sixty eight, the whole you know,
814
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World War two, Germany framing themselves as a never again?
815
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.159
What to do the opposite of that? I mean, why
816
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.039
can't we do the same, And why can't we figure
817
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.639
out an organic response to the revolution of sixty eight
818
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.840
sixty eight America? Why can't we see take what was
819
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.599
good from them and discard the bad and put something
820
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.360
new that we have to offer.
821
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.159
Well, can we come back to that?
822
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:19.480
And yeah, Pete, you please direct this, this is your show.
823
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But I wanted to capture that idea a little bit
824
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and use the book as sort of a guideline to
825
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kind of cover the book and then also try to
826
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take some lessons from it to apply it to what
827
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.639
Lance is talking about. I think one of the interesting
828
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.679
things that the book does do is it covers some
829
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:40.239
of the responses to what was going on in that generation.
830
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:46.159
So the right responding to the left basically the reactionaries effectively,
831
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:50.039
and perhaps we need to stop being reactionaries and start
832
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:54.079
being the leaders in effect. But what I found interesting
833
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.760
was the discussion of Goldwater in particular, because that was
834
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a little bit closer to that time, and then I thought, well,
835
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what else will happened, you know? I think I think
836
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.559
Nixon also, but also obviously the Reagan thing in the
837
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.760
eighties was a big response to this as well. And
838
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also Reagan was in California during this time with all
839
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.639
the student protests at Berkeley and in other campuses, and
840
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.440
he passed legislation in effect to take guns away. I
841
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.119
think Pete you covered this in one of your shows.
842
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.440
From the Black Panthers who were running around Oakland and
843
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:25.079
stuff like that.
844
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.119
So what can we learn from that?
845
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.039
I mean, the Civil rights movement was I think a
846
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:32.800
big section of the book because it was a big
847
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.119
part of that time, and so it goes into Martin
848
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.559
Luther King, it goes into the Black panthers and some
849
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.159
of the elite backing. That's kind of the thesis of
850
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.360
the book, that how a lot of these people were supported,
851
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.400
how that happened Martin Luther King, for example, one of
852
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.840
the quotes from the book was he was too slow
853
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:56.639
a thinker to be trusted to speak without a script
854
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.639
in front of him. That find that fascinating, And actually,
855
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.079
in rec election, I don't recall too many interviews he gave.
856
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.960
It was usually just him talking at a podium.
857
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.960
I read his PhD thesis on Mithra and I doubt
858
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:10.599
that he wrote that.
859
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.519
Right, I mean exactly, yeah, I think it's been proven
860
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:15.280
that he didn't write that.
861
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.039
I think it's been proven says that he didn't write that.
862
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.559
It was actually a decent thesis, But I just don't
863
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.679
think it sounds like the same syntax he uses.
864
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.280
You know, and say what you will about Obama. I mean,
865
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:26.559
I don't think he was stupid.
866
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.840
He could get give an interview, but I never heard
867
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.960
King say anything in response to her question. I mean, so, yeah,
868
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.760
it's one thing to have a a church voice and
869
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.920
read from a book. I'm sorry that that just doesn't
870
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.000
equate to too much in my estimation, But beyond that,
871
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.480
that whole Civil Rights Act, And does the book talk
872
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.320
about Lyndon Johnson at all, because I just think he's
873
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.360
one of the worst presidents this country's ever had, and
874
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.559
during that time he effectively again it's sort of like
875
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.000
an elite response to up the street is is burning
876
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.559
stuff down about it's And you can also say that
877
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.920
the riots may have been an op in effect or
878
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.440
stoked to create the conditions, maybe like what COVID was
879
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.000
to create a larger state apparatus. But I think the
880
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.159
welfare state was effectively a huge response to what was
881
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.800
going on and the complaining and all the sort of
882
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.679
burning of things, and then public housing was built and
883
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:33.920
whoac not who ac hud excuse me her uh housing
884
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:39.000
and Urban Development Group. All that stuff was was a
885
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:43.719
big expansion of Washington's power and sort of like they
886
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.320
they took the opportunity to grow and sort of like
887
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.519
the war and terror, I mean, just all these things,
888
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.719
it just it just keeps making it seems like it
889
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.039
keeps making things worse with with these solutions that keep
890
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:01.599
coming up with. But ultimately, and if you guys have
891
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.519
details you want to go into, in the civil rights movement,
892
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:07.519
I think some of the seventies and eighties was a
893
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.960
response to that, I mean, the silent majority.
894
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.199
What can we learn from that?
895
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.519
Nixon did get into power, he was taken out, I think,
896
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.639
I would argue, but he was able to capture a
897
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:25.239
certain portion of the populace's minds, share and heart, hearts
898
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.360
and minds to win those elections. And then ultimately you
899
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.440
could say the CIA or the deep state of.
900
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:33.119
The time.
901
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.480
Had to correct the people. But it was something that
902
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.000
did happen. It seemed to be somewhat of a successful response.
903
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:44.880
And I think the eighties as well were a response
904
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:45.199
as well.
905
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:46.320
It did seem to.
906
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:52.320
Do something to combat what was going on from this
907
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.599
generation sixty eight. So I guess my question to you
908
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.440
guys is what lessons can we learn from that, if any,
909
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.719
that we can apply to maybe our generation.
910
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.280
Well, I think one of the easiest things to see
911
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.960
in what happened was is they took they were able
912
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.280
to take people's eye off of the ball. What's important,
913
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.400
and what was important is culture. So when we talk
914
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.960
about the you know, the nineteen nineties and growing global capitalism,
915
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.639
you know, liberalism, I think San Francis said once that
916
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.719
in the sixties white Americans were talking about black people.
917
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.360
In the seventies they were talking about bussing, and in
918
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.440
the nineties they were talking about taxes.
919
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:40.920
Contract with America, very different.
920
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:41.800
You're right, you're right.
921
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:49.880
Yeah, So the the the grow the Yaki wrote about
922
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.239
this in Imperium. He said that what he saw what
923
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.119
was going to happen was that man was going to
924
00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:00.440
become economized. Man was going to be forced into economics.
925
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.559
He was going to be forced into a field that
926
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.519
he should you should only be thinking about when you're
927
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.599
you know, writing a check or paying a bill, and
928
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:15.719
that now economics was going to become such an important
929
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.440
part of man's life that he actually used the term
930
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.239
man is going to become economized, and not like you
931
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.360
know there he's going to pair everything down. No, he's
932
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.079
going to become an economic machine. He is going to
933
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:34.039
become somebody who walks around as if they're a like
934
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:38.280
an annuity, like a freaking hug.
935
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:43.519
Some people economics like homo economics.
936
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:49.159
Yeah, yeah, so yeah. The one thing that I just
937
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:53.280
see that it's so easy to get us to take
938
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.079
our eye off the ball when it comes to finance,
939
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:02.679
and you know, one of the and then what's funny
940
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.960
is if you look at two thousand and eight and
941
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.800
the housing crisis and you come forward to occupy Wall
942
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.719
Street or you come forward to the tea party, well,
943
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.639
they just reversed it. They're like, don't pay attention to
944
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:20.599
economics anymore. No, we're going to put We're going to
945
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.840
shove wok down your throat. I think the term racism
946
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:28.559
like did a hockey stick at that point. So they're
947
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.880
very easy at making us take our eye off the ball,
948
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.400
and I think our eyes when it comes to percentages,
949
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.840
we should be looking at culture in the biggest, highest
950
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:46.199
percentage possible and not allow them to distract us from that.
951
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:50.880
Because that's what happened. We were distracted from culture. Culture
952
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.400
was broken. And then you get into the nineties and
953
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:59.280
everybody's like, well, it's all about tax policy.
954
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.000
I think you're right.
955
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.920
I think definitely the nineties where you could say the
956
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.920
hangover from the eighties and then the seventies or the
957
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:11.599
hangover from the sixties, and during I think the seventies
958
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.360
and eighties, I think there was somewhat of a revival
959
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:21.239
in perhaps the religious parts of the country. I forget
960
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:22.960
what it was, eight hundred Club or something like that
961
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there was a television program where a lot of these
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evangelicals and people like that would would sort of there
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seemed to be somewhat of a groundswell against this, and
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there was the Satanic panic, and people were scared of
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kind of the things that they were seeing, and there
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did seem to be somewhat of a cultural or religious
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response in addition to the economics, but that did seem
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to die down by the nineties. I think you're right,
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and perhaps some of the stuff today, I mean, I
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would say, and it's it's it always takes different form.
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Can I start you for a second? Yeah, sharply for
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And I think it's very interesting. I think it's very
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interesting that people like James Lindsay and basically these nominal,
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these classical QUT classical liberals, they all want to go
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back to the nineties and when when you look and
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it's like, well, what is what is everybody? I mean,
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we're in a culture war. Everything is about everything is
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about culture. They someone like him, and I just thought
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of this now, I haven't put this together before. Wants
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to go back to when it was all about economics, right,
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that nobody was arguing over culture. That you know, everybody.
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I mean, I remember, I remember the nineties. I was
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in a band. It was it was wild, it was fun.
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I mean it. I mean the nineties was a lot
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of fun, and people want to go back to that.
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But the reason he wants to go back to it
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is people are he's He equates his worldview of classical
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liberalism all with economics. If we can just have that
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good economics again, where everything is so good that nobody
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cares about this cultural stuff, when really it's all about
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the cultural. It's all about the cultural.
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Isn't it funny that man will choke on silver, but
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he'll live off of breadcrumbs with spirit, with a religious spirit.
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It's interesting, you know. I hope I don't instruct, but
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if you guys don't mind me, I actually might have
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my own thing that I have been working on myself.
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It's a little bit of a minute here, so I apologize.
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Don't instruct me for a second. But Adam is probably
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gonna like lose his goddamn mind again because he's the
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Apollonian to my Dionysin. But I think what we're trying
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01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.400
to figure out, or what we're actually hovering over at
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01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:46.000
the target, is we have to address the irrational. I mean,
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the human man, the person with the soul, is irrational,
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and that fundamentally economics and well being, and no matter
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01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.079
how much food you have in your belly and how
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01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:00.800
happy you are with your material possessions, there needs to
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01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.239
be something higher, right, like there needs to be a
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01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.880
certain calling. And you see this in the midd Least,
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01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.760
for instance. You know, most people don't know this, but
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01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.880
the Middle East wasn't like always such a shithole. I mean,
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01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:17.480
there were secular governments that were progressive, that offered people
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01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.760
secular how do you say, solutions to their problems, as
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01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.639
opposed to the religious ones that figures largely now in
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01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.440
the Middle East and what we understand them to be.
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01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.159
And of course, like for instance, so Solom Viladen was
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01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.480
the son of a billionaire and he forsook all his
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fortune to seek you know, his religious you know, convictions.
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I'm not saying that I'm not Islamic or anything like that,
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01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.480
but it should provide you a metric of understanding of
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humans that we have this irrational need for things. And
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01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:52.280
the left what they do is they leverage the gravity
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01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.599
of their beliefs because man constantly wants to be lazy.
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01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:58.400
He constantly wants to feel pleasure. He constantly he does
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01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.800
not want to feel discipline. He doesn't want to feel
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01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:06.400
to be encumbered, he doesn't want to feel like, you know,
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01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.960
basically the discipline of life, whether it's in family, whether
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01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.119
it's a you know, civic service, X.
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Y or Z.
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01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:18.159
I think the truth or the origin of where we
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can start solving our problems is just like you said,
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01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.119
talking about culture, rather what does that mean the spirit?
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01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:26.880
And what really kind of is the engine of that
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01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.840
spirit is the family, It's religion, And I'm not religious myself.
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01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.639
I'm a pretty secular guy, but I think the truth
1035
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:38.039
is that really like when you start leveraging that irrational
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01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:43.280
agency in man, you start overcoming petty pleasures. When you
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01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.039
start giving them a vision for something to suffer and
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01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:51.239
die for, they start ignoring and making sacrifices of things
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01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.119
that the left leverages. So for instance, you know, drugs,
1040
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:58.039
sex in rock and roll, and personal gratification in your career.
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01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.239
People forsake that if you can give them a vision
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01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:07.599
of something that's beyond simply material well being. And I
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01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.960
know that sounds kind of like I said, It's not Apollonian.
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01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:13.440
You can't put numbers on that. It's not very you
1045
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.400
can't put you know, put it on a map. It's
1046
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.960
very ephemeral, it's very psychological. But if we can start
1047
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.960
offering people that impetus, that meaning in life, we give
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01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.119
them a mission, some spirit in thumos in their's chest,
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01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.079
we can make them be beautiful again. And I think
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01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.920
that's what was lacking in the West is fundamentally the
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01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:36.000
destruction of Christianity. I'm not Christian myself, so I say this,
1052
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:41.000
you know, unbiased. I think that precisely because Christianity became
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01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:44.800
a waning psychological force in the West, that the engine
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01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.400
of Western civilization came to a halt. Hence why the
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01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.039
Left is ascendant, because they basically break down this carcass.
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01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:57.159
So I don't think the solution is to go back
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01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:01.559
into Christianity. I think whatever spirituality that overcomes liberalism will
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01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.360
be the future. However, I think this is what we're facing,
1059
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:11.239
is this question of overcoming this obstacle through irrational means,
1060
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.800
through appealing to the soul. And fight Club is a
1061
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:16.880
great example. I'm sure that you guys are aware of
1062
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:21.599
fight Club, but it's a great encapsulation of man's disgust
1063
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.840
with the nineteen nineties material well being in favor of
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01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.760
personal achievement in something that's kind of transcendental, something that
1065
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.559
appeals to the soul, something that you can give yourself towards.
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01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.360
And I think that's what we're here to discuss, is
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01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.480
provide people with that vision. And if that makes sense,
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01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:41.719
I don't know if I'm off left kilter here, how
1069
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:44.679
you guys are feeling, So give me some pushback here, Pete.
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01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.000
Well, no, I mean I think it points towards like
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01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:55.320
this Banglarrian and Yaki high culture, where that's what that's
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01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:01.320
what a society, a society needs in order to move forward,
1073
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:07.320
in order to in order to progress, in order to
1074
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:13.239
be cohesive as opposed to you know, science, technology, technics,
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01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:19.559
things like that, where that immediately when you have machinery
1076
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:25.039
and machinery introduced it, you basically start to realize, well,
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01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.400
I can create, I can become like God, and I
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01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:33.519
can create all of these things. And it has a
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01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.440
tendency to drive you away from that high culture, from
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01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:40.639
that spiritual and you know, I think we see that now.
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01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:44.280
I think we see that the you know, if if
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01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.119
the regime in charge, if the spirit of this age,
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01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.239
which I you know, I think is the Nuremberg regime,
1084
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.840
the New the New Deal regime, is one thing. It's
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01:06:52.920 --> 01:07:01.840
to destroy that destroy any kind of any kind of cohesiveness,
1086
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:07.320
any kind of of a culture, any kind of race,
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01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:12.880
any kind of homogeneity, any kind of order. As long
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01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.480
as there's chaos, as long as people are in chaos spiritually,
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01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.400
and the spirit of the age is in chaos, the
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01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:26.960
high culture is gone. Then anyone who has seized power
1091
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.440
and is willing to use it can wield control over everything,
1092
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.000
even if, as we see it, fall apart due to
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01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:39.000
incompetency overproduction of the elites. Whatever you however you want
1094
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:39.679
to explain it.
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01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:42.599
Yeah, no, And I think you're absolutely right. I think
1096
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:47.960
these are material manifestations of something that's happening psychologically, on
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01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.119
a psychological basis, and I completely agree with you, Pete,
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01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.760
and I think that Adam and I are in accordance
1099
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.599
with this as well. And I think what we need
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01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.320
to give to people who are lost, who are in
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01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.000
this chaos is a mission a city on the hill
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01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.159
to go and fight for and with people that are
1103
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:11.559
brave enough to be irrational in that pursuit. Because if
1104
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:16.840
you notice, especially with like backwoods preachers, the effusiveness and
1105
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.600
the spiritual self assuredness is what people crave. You see
1106
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.600
this in leadership in the military, but you see this
1107
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.600
at large in leadership and political people. There's a reason
1108
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:33.239
why they tear down political operatives or statesmen who kind
1109
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:38.399
of have that gravitas, and it's precisely because they want
1110
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.960
you to be divided from a mission. They want you
1111
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.520
to be not part of something greater than yourself. They
1112
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.000
want you to have nothing aside from your self interest.
1113
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.720
And that's precisely what we got to change. And I
1114
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.640
think that's something that we have to overcome in liberalism itself.
1115
01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:57.920
And Adam, I see you're going to add something here.
1116
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:02.640
Yeah, I got to jump in just because I don't
1117
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:04.319
disagree with what you guys are saying. I hope you
1118
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:10.640
don't think I'm all about neoliberalism and trading stock options
1119
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:15.920
all day and that's all that matters. I was just
1120
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.199
listening to something today from one of these channels that
1121
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:23.800
covers people that I like, and I get crap for
1122
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.640
talking about Elon Musk all the time, but I think
1123
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.239
he's an interesting example of what we're talking about, because
1124
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.000
just like generation sixty eight. What about generation sixty nine,
1125
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:36.439
where well, you had a sixty nine Camaro, which is
1126
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:39.720
probably one of the most beautiful American made cars ever made,
1127
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:42.880
but also the country landed on the moon.
1128
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:45.840
And I have gone back and forth.
1129
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:47.560
As to whether I even believe that that's a true thing,
1130
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:49.520
but I'm gonna just I'm just going to make a
1131
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:52.359
make a statement here that I think it's more likely
1132
01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:57.039
than not. And even if it wasn't true, the fact
1133
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.000
that they did all that they did is still impressive.
1134
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:01.720
I mean, they built those rockets.
1135
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:06.399
Those rockets were real and what was that? That was
1136
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.560
the Faustian spirit. I mean, that was the we're going
1137
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:13.239
to do I mean, I love the Kennedy speech where
1138
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.680
he talks about this, where he said, we do things
1139
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.720
not because they're easy, it is because they are hard.
1140
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:22.199
And I love that. And I know people that want
1141
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:24.880
to do things that are easy, and I don't like them.
1142
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:26.760
I don't hang out with people like that. And I
1143
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.760
have people very close to me that I have to
1144
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.199
hear that from sometimes and it just it just kills me.
1145
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.960
But you know, Musk was talking about how they're basically
1146
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:42.279
going to SpaceX is it's funny because NASA and Neil
1147
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:46.840
Armstrong particular actually said and it Elon was asked about
1148
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:48.600
this because it hurt his feelings, but what do you
1149
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:52.840
think about Neil armstrong statements that SpaceX has no business
1150
01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.840
doing what NASA has done? And you know, Elon said,
1151
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.039
you know, that's that's really disappointing to me. I mean,
1152
01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.920
he's been a hero of mine, and I think it's
1153
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.159
when people like like crabs in a bucket, have to
1154
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.640
pull down those that are actually achieving things.
1155
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:08.199
I didn't understand what Armstrong was thinking with that. It's
1156
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:09.520
very disappointing to me as well.
1157
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:14.600
But I think SpaceX is actually literally trying to build
1158
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.319
the infrastructure that the US government and all the other
1159
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:21.000
stupid governments have been so incompetent and accomplishing. He's actually
1160
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.399
building infrastructure to make this species, as he puts it.
1161
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.000
But let's face it, who's working at SpaceX. It's the
1162
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.560
types that worked at NASSA back in the late sixties
1163
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:36.399
make this group a multiplanetary group, and I think that
1164
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:41.159
is such a great, crazy mission. And everything he's done
1165
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.319
with the Twitter acquisition with Tesla has just been the
1166
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.399
same spirit of just taken on really hard, important projects
1167
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:53.119
and kicking their ass. And I just am so excited
1168
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.319
by that. And I've not seen that come out of
1169
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.720
any politician's mouth in that career. I've not seen any
1170
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:02.880
of that come out of the irs Happy tax Day,
1171
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.439
by the way, I have not seen any of that
1172
01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:07.520
come out of most of our quote unquote leaders in
1173
01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:10.039
such a long time. And we need more of that.
1174
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:15.079
And you know, I'm sympathetic to religious arguments as well,
1175
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:19.439
like you know, not putting yourself above God, but I
1176
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.119
know a lot of religious people who also like what
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01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.359
Elon's doing, and I think there's no there's no discord there.
1178
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:26.960
I think, you know, we should work together on that.
1179
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:30.359
You know, the most evil thing that Hannah Ardron ever
1180
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:34.760
wrote about liberalism is the idea that the abolition of
1181
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.319
great missions and to be content with, you know, your
1182
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.960
personal life and being happy with I don't know, being
1183
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:47.479
an interior designer or something. And there's something deeply disgusting
1184
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:49.960
about that. I mean, it's one thing if you're in
1185
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.199
a corporate society, we're all one team. Everyone has a
1186
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:55.680
function and no matter how small or big you are,
1187
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:01.279
you're defined by the greater mission. The evil liberalism is
1188
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:05.880
it destroyed all greats. It makes everyone temptible and small,
1189
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:08.760
and that is the beautiful thing that Elon Musk is doing,
1190
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:13.560
is making men and woman gigan. They're going to places
1191
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.560
that man hasn't gone before. It's a self overcoming mission.
1192
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:20.079
And the paradigm of today is not between left or right.
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It's between up or down. It's between people that want
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to slink to slums or people who want to conquer
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01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.039
the stars. And I'm grateful to say and proud to
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01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.439
say I'm part of the latter, not the former. And
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I think that everyone here feels the same way as
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I do.
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I think so.
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I don't want to put words in Pete's mouth, but
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I definitely have a feeling he's a self overcoming Faucian man.
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01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:46.079
Right. Yeah, And here's the thing. I was interviewed by
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01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.439
a friend of mine today for almost two hours, and
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01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.640
we were gone over a bunch of stuff, and one
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01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:53.319
of the first things he asked me was He's like, okay, yeah,
1206
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.640
you were a libertarian at one point you came out.
1207
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.760
You know. I didn't coin the term post libertarian, but
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01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:02.600
I started using it, and people started using it started
1209
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:07.079
and immediately started using it as pejorative against me. But
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01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:09.760
he asked me, so, what do you know what, and
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01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.760
I said, I'm a problem solver. I said, that's what
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that's what the world needs.
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01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:16.119
I said.
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01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:22.399
Book Kelly N. L. Salvador was When he ran for Mayorador,
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01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.800
he was in the left, he ran in the Far
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01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:29.279
Left party. As for Santo, when he started running for president,
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01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:31.560
he ran in the far Left party. They kicked him out,
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01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:33.800
went to another party. He had to do. He had
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01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:37.239
to jump through hoops just to get elected president. And
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01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:39.640
what did he do? The first thing, He's like, we're
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01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.119
the murder capital of the world. This is going to stop.
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01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.600
And he solved a problem. And he didn't give a
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01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.479
fuck what anybody thought about it. Sorry, I cursed sometimes
1224
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:52.479
in the show. And he he he cleaned that place.
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01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:53.960
So he turned I mean he turned it into a
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01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.039
place where I'm like, I'm you know, my wife and
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01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.199
Iron talking. Maybe we're going to go for four or
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01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:00.000
five days, you know, in the next couple of months. Yeah,
1229
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.880
I became still well it's still cheap, you know, well,
1230
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.399
it's still cheap. If you look at you, you're like,
1231
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.399
holy crap, you can really the dollar goes pretty far
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01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:11.319
down there. But he went in there, he solved the problem.
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01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:13.640
The other thing he did was, and I don't know
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01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:15.760
if I agree with this, but he's like, well, there's
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a money problem. I'm gonna adopt bitcoin. Yeah, and okay,
1236
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:24.159
so what is he? Okay, all right? The bitcoin bros
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want to call him a libertarian, but he obviously doesn't
1238
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care anything about civil rights. He was just basically arresting
1239
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:33.920
anybody with a face tattoo? Is he? You know? The
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01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:38.800
authoritarians are like, well, he also is adopted bitcoin. I
1241
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:45.119
don't care what his ideology is. He solves problems. Give
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01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:50.399
me someone who can solve problems. Ideology is bullshit. Sam
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01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:53.319
Francis pointed this out. James Burnham pointed this out. You
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01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.920
create ideologies created in a lab. As soon as it's
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01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.119
introduced to the public, holes are shot in it. It
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01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:06.279
doesn't exist, solve problems, become a become a problem solver.
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If you cannot solve problem, every the only politician that
1248
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you should even take seriously as somebody who's like, this
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01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:16.279
is a problem, this is our biggest problem. This is
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01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:19.600
how I'm gonna solve it. Let me do it. That's
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01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.039
the kind of person you take seriously. Now in this
1252
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:26.680
we know in our system. How difficult that is. Well,
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01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:28.960
I'm going to solve the immigration problem. You know that
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01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:32.640
you're gonna have arrows and even bullets might be coming
1255
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:34.760
at you from all directions if you want to do it.
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01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:40.840
But what you if you're not talking about solving solve
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01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.079
the first problem, then go to the second problem, then
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go to the third problem. But figure out what the
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01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.399
biggest one is first. That's what someone's ideology should be,
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01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:52.760
and that is a Faustian spirit, and then you can
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01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:55.439
and after you solve the problems, then you could be like, Okay,
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01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:02.159
what do I Oh, I want to let's inhabit marsh.
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01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:03.159
Yeah, what's next?
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01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:06.800
Great? You know, yeah, what's that? But until you solve
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01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:10.079
that first problem, you have to be able to solve
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01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:12.159
that first problem. If you don't solve that first problem,
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if you don't focus in on one thing and fix it,
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you're just you're you're just playing the game of politics
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as it's been played since nineteen thirty three.
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Yes, yes, yes, Pete, holy shit, yes, I'm sorry. I'm
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01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.359
like just getting pumped from hearing you say that, because
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it's precisely that there's this weird paradigm people are stuck
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01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.319
in the mythoss of the Second World War, and it's like, dude,
1274
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:39.159
that is like dead and guard read what is now?
1275
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.880
What's happening now? Like the considerations of our time are
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not an ex collapse, it's a and those issues stem
1277
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.720
from precisely what you're saying, the problems of the soul
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01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:55.039
of seeking out great challenges and building a team around it,
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01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.520
building a vision. No one's doing that, aside from tearing
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01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:02.319
everyone else down so that they can aggrandize themselves. Let's
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01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:05.479
build everyone else up. Let's let's make a team effort.
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01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.199
And I love hearing you say that, Pete, because that's
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exactly Especially Bukeley is such a great example, because it
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shows that yes, you can, you can fix you know,
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01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.880
your shipthold whole country and make it like a paradise
1286
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.079
with America and make it a paradise. It's only a
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01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:25.359
matter of willpower and vision. I think we can give that,
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especially if we can we stand true to our principles.
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And I think one of the great things about Elon
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Musk in his interview is that he stands great risk
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01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:37.399
all the time. I mean, the government is constantly now
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01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:43.399
litigating him under specious charges, bullshit charges, but that's what
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it's going to take. And that's part of life, is
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that people want to tear you down and you have
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01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.319
to conquer them for their own good to build them up.
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And one of the.
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Greatest things Bukeley does did was cracked down on the
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lowest and most detrimental segments of society and rebuild from
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what was good upwards. And I completely agree with you, Pete.
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I want to go down there to myself and like
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help him. However I can, you know, in my small way.
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I think the lessons that we can draw from these
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two individuals and other people that have risen to power
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01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:17.479
is that it's a long game. You know, Eland didn't
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01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:20.359
show up. I mean, he's been doing this for three
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01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:25.079
four decades. Bukele as I don't know as much about him,
1307
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but and he's a younger man as well, and it's
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01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:31.039
a smaller country and so perhaps there's a quicker path
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01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:33.920
to things like that. But from what Pete has described,
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it sounds like he had to go through some trials
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01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:37.359
to get to where he is. He had to go
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01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:41.760
through the left, which is an interesting angle, but it
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01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:46.359
works so good for him. Hats off. Whatever works, and
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that's that's something I think a lot of people, whether
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they're entrepreneurs or leaders or builders or whatever, I think
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they maybe they take the Hollywood montage. To me, it's
1317
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.439
of the guy who goes from rags to riches. That
1318
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:03.800
the scarface, you know.
1319
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.840
Like boat off a Cuba and now he's going to
1320
01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:09.520
push it to the limit.
1321
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.119
Yeah, that that's not real. It takes a little longer
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01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:16.840
than two minutes. And you just got to be a grinder.
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01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.520
And I think, uh, you know, there's something to be
1324
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:23.840
said for charisma, of course, but you also gotta you
1325
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.760
gotta tell yourself.
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01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:26.880
You know that that this is going to happen.
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01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.920
Uh, and tell others as well, and keep that positive mindset.
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01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:31.279
Uh.
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01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:33.840
And if you if you fall into that negativity trap,
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01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.239
it just destroys you, It destroys your team.
1331
01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:40.039
And I think real leaders have to do better than that.
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01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.479
Well. And I think something that that Thomas seven seven
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01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.640
seven says is we're not j Elvis witnesses. We're a vanguard.
1334
01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:53.319
We don't need we're not looking for numbers. We're looking
1335
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:56.560
for people who you know, like the PayPal mafia. Take
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01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:59.119
that mean the paypalm mafia is a perfect example. It's
1337
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:03.079
just a it's just a small group that gets stuff done.
1338
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:07.800
Basically controls controls Silicon Valley or controlled Silicon Valley, and
1339
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.840
the ankle biters. They you have to dismiss these people.
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01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.800
You don't need these people, the people who when I
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say something about Boo Kelly go, well, you know he
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kissed the wall one time and his wife is probably
1343
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:23.760
and his wife is half Sephardic. I don't get I'm
1344
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.439
judging him by what he's doing.
1345
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.119
Yeah, well what does the other guy got?
1346
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:30.319
I mean, like, what's if you're saying he's so bad,
1347
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:32.840
show me something better. And I'm not gonna I'm not
1348
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.119
going to like, you know, look back one hundred years
1349
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:36.279
for what your model is.
1350
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.439
Like. We need to get going. Now, show me some progress.
1351
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.279
I mean, how are you? How are you waiting for?
1352
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:45.439
You know? And this is what I tell people all
1353
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.119
the time. Do is I mean you have to be
1354
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:50.199
insulating yourself. You have to be doing things for yourself,
1355
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:52.800
you know. I mean, we're we moved to where we
1356
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did because it's it's very quiet. It's remote. It's not
1357
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:02.439
a it's not in sanely remote, but it's remote. We
1358
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:05.760
can grow food here. We have we have friends who
1359
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:09.359
have chicken houses and all sorts of stuff. We can
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take care of ourselves. It's a small group, a very
1361
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:17.720
small town, very manageable, very manageable politically. Everybody knows everyone,
1362
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:24.000
everyone knows the police. Until we can get that, you know,
1363
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we have those people, put that vanguard together. Even if
1364
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you're not part of the vanguard, even if you're just
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01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.399
a thought, you know, somebody who's there to help with ideas,
1366
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.319
Somebody who has money, somebody who can I mean, I
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01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:41.199
mean some of these assholes like Stephen Crowder who was
1368
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.399
like crying because dli wire was going to pay him,
1369
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:47.640
what fifty fifty million dollars for four years. What could
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01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.119
we do with fifty million dollars?
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01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:51.600
That's a great question.
1372
01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:55.199
Actually, we we should probably figure that out because those
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are you know, again, I'll shut up about Elon Musk someday,
1374
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.560
but I'm always fine new things. I like that he's
1375
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taught me, and he one of the earliest things, Like
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there's a hilarious clip of him when he like didn't
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get his hair implants, like after he sold like a
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x dot com or whatever it was to PayPal, he
1379
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:15.479
got his first millions and he bought a McLaren and
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01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:17.960
they're lowering it to like his suburban house, and he's
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01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:21.079
still married to his first wife. But he's sitting there
1382
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and he's like giving this really dorky interview, and he's like,
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01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:27.560
you know, it's really easy, like in Silicon Valley. If
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01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:29.439
I just want to go raise ten million at the
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01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.079
capital's right there, and I'm like, wow, what a mindset.
1386
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:32.600
Like.
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You know, if you actually have the idea and the
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01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.920
team and the leadership and the capability, you don't have
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01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.800
to get that yourself. You just raise the money, you know,
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01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.199
And that's how actually true movers and shakers think. They
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01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.079
use other people's money. There's like books about this, but
1392
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:49.880
I think that's a great question.
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01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:51.520
What would we do with fifty million?
1394
01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:54.079
I don't know because I actually haven't adopted that mindset
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in a practical sense. But until we are, we start
1396
01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.119
thinking big, we're not going to achieve big things.
1397
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Well, I started small. I read Peter Thiel zero to
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one on my podcast. I read the whole thing over,
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I think, with seven episodes, and it's just a way
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to get into the mind of people who think way
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differently than we do. I think he said. In one
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of the chapters, he said that all the people who
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started PayPal, He said, I think the five people who
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01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:30.800
started PayPal, four of them as teenagers, had independently of
1405
01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:38.199
each other, built bombs. Okay, so what does that mean.
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01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:44.239
It means these are outside the box there, these are
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01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:47.479
these are way outside the box thinkers, you know. And
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01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.640
you know what he talks about in that book is
1409
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.960
he's like, everybody, we've been conditioned to believe that competition.
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01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.039
Competition is what what the world is all about, the
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01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:02.399
world of business is all about. He's like, no, He's like, no,
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monopoly is what the world is all about. The monopoly
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01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:11.039
is the only way that you get innovation. Because we
1414
01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:13.800
don't want monopoly, you know he and he downplays us
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01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.600
a whole way through the book. We don't want to
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01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.199
have the kind of monopoly that is like cronyism, where
1417
01:25:22.239 --> 01:25:25.960
you're lobbying the government to be the only one in existence. No,
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01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:30.880
you want to create something that is so groundbreaking, that's
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01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:35.760
so outside the box that you make billions off of it.
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But in the process of making billions off of it,
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01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.079
you've changed humanity. You've just you've improved humanity.
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That's where the breakout occurs. It's when you've created that news.
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01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:48.680
It's what the title of the book is. It's zero
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to one as opposed to one, two, a million or something.
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I mean anything times zero is zero. So if you can,
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if you could like you know, the primordial Big Bang
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or God creating the universe, that's what he talking about,
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doing something that groundbreaking. There's another book called uh I
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think it's Blue Ocean Strategy. I haven't actually read it,
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but it seems like a really simple idea, so I
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01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:13.279
didn't bother but the concept was, so there's these big
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tidal blooms that happened in the ocean, and it's basically
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a bunch of like plankd in and stuffed whales eat
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that they just they go nuts. They breed like crazy,
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and they choke off all the oxygen to the point
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where everything is just it just dies. At a certain point,
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they kind of reach that Multhusiam limit and everything just
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starts collapsing. But you don't want to be in the
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middle of that. If you want to stand out, you
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01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.560
want to go where the water is blue. That's kind
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of the thesis of the book. So you kind of
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01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.239
want to think tangentially, you know, they all want you
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01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.079
to kind of go to the London School of Economics
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01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:51.359
or Harvard or whatever and played by the stupid rules
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01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.640
that are kind of rigged against you.
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You're not going to get.
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01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:57.560
Really far with you might you might become a millionaire
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01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:59.680
or something, but you're never gonna become a billionaire by
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of getting good grades. You have to I mean, most
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01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:04.960
of these guys dropped out of school, so I think
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that's that's that's a big lesson. It's like, okay, you
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can do okay, but if you really.
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Want to change the world.
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I forget the quote, but it's it's sort of like
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nothing nothing ever. I think it was like a feminist quote.
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01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.960
It's like nothing ever changed by like reasonable women or something,
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01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.239
so all the all the change is like unreasonable women.
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01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:27.079
You could say the same thing about men. It's like
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you have to you.
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Have to think kind of tangentially, almost irrationally, that these
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01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:37.600
crazy things are possible. And I would just say, you know,
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01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.479
make sure you know you're honest with yourself about what
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01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:43.039
you're accomplishing, and if it's not working, try something else.
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01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:46.199
But you know that there is to me at least
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01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:51.880
some some value in being realistic. But you you need
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01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:53.880
to team and you need to inspire people. And I
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01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:55.560
think that's that's a big lesson here, is like you
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01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:58.239
need to have something really, really impressive and exciting.
1469
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:01.960
I want to apologize to Lance. I was on a
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01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.640
different screen than he dropped out and he was out
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01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:05.520
of there for a while.
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01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.960
So yeah, they just attacked me, dude, they attacked me.
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01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:10.920
It's okay, I'm back.
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Do you have any do you have anything to add
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01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:15.840
to that? I know, even listen to it.
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01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.720
I think you know, like, I think you guys are
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01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:22.279
spot on, and it doesn't just extend to the world
1478
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:26.359
of I guess, of course, innovation extends in many different
1479
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.359
directions and everyone has their specific skill set. I think
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01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:31.600
the most important thing that you guys pointed out is
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01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.199
to seek opptunities wherever they may be and making the
1482
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:38.960
most of it, exploiting it. And I think you're absolutely right.
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01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:42.319
I think Adam is absolutely right. I think the PayPal
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01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:48.319
mafia is incredibly inspiring precisely because they were able to
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01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:51.600
out maneuver the crony cap you know, establishment as it
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01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:55.520
had been before, with just something completely out of the box,
1487
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.399
as you'd said, and uh, and they have real world effects.
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01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:01.479
I mean, look at you long Musk, he owns X
1489
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.680
major social media network, he owns Tesla, He's going to Mars,
1490
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.680
He's doing multiple things, and that's because he pursued. I mean,
1491
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:12.560
do you think he had fun with PayPal? Do you
1492
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:13.800
think that's interesting to him?
1493
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:13.920
No?
1494
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:17.600
I think he understood that it was a stepping stone
1495
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:20.560
to something greater, to going to Mars, and I'm absolutely
1496
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:22.880
sure that's how he feels about Tesla and everything else.
1497
01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:25.640
So it's absolutely great and it's a great example for
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01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.960
our own selves to set for our own selves, for
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01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.960
our own success. And more importantly, probably.
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01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:41.880
More all right, Lance, you're roboting like crazy, so now
1501
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.560
it's you know you're roboting like crazy. But all right,
1502
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.479
let's wrap this up because I've been sitting on my
1503
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:49.439
butt in front of the screen for now going on
1504
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:52.159
in a little over three hours today. So I'll give
1505
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:54.039
I'll give you guys to Florida to say something and
1506
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:59.560
hopefully Lance can uh not sell Space Odyssey, but Adam
1507
01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:00.039
go ahead for.
1508
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:03.279
Just just glibly, I want all the listeners to know
1509
01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:05.840
that any support you give to Pete will be going
1510
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.880
towards his purchase of a standing desk.
1511
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.000
I think that's that's a great thing as.
1512
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.000
We all reach our middle age, we need to we
1513
01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:14.359
need to be getting good posture.
1514
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.199
So hope you're not sitting too much today.
1515
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:20.479
But in any case, yeah, I think the team is
1516
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.199
absolutely critical. I think that's sort of what Lance was
1517
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:29.119
trying to hit upon another Musk thing, and I hopefully
1518
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:33.720
we'll stop. But he's interesting also because he has the
1519
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:35.640
guts and Pete, we actually talked about this when you
1520
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:40.600
came on our show a couple episodes ago, where Musk
1521
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:43.680
is willing to fire people and lay off people. And
1522
01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:46.439
that's that's hard. I mean, it's really hard. It's not
1523
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:48.720
something I'm comfortable doing. You know, I have, I've had
1524
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:51.520
to do it, actually, but it really sucks. But it's
1525
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:55.640
a skill because you need to know what your culture.
1526
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.119
We're talking about culture, right, and a company culture or
1527
01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:00.760
a government culture, or a nation's culture. You need to
1528
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.960
know what that culture stands for. And if you have
1529
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:07.239
people to come in that actually are problematic, they need
1530
01:31:07.279 --> 01:31:08.640
to go and it. You know, you need to be
1531
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:11.199
fair about it, and you need to set performance goals
1532
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:16.239
and measurements that can be objective, but you can quickly
1533
01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.359
murder a company with bad culture. You don't have to
1534
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:21.600
look any further than Boeing and what's going on with
1535
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:25.039
that place. They have a bad culture, and I think
1536
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:28.640
Musk recognizes that and what he did at x Twitter
1537
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.479
when he bought it. The first thing he did was
1538
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:34.119
he laid off eighty percent of the employees. And guess
1539
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:37.560
what the company did. Find it's actually doing better now.
1540
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.680
So do the same thing for the US government. If
1541
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.840
and I forgot what that thing was called, pete A Project.
1542
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:48.319
Twenty there you go.
1543
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:52.479
Yeah, that is a good idea, and it was sort
1544
01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:57.920
of what Vivek Ramaswami was pushing and that we need
1545
01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:01.680
to get rid of most of these people because frankly
1546
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:04.840
they're useless, and secondly they're actually worse than useless. They're
1547
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:12.279
problematic and they're obstructionist, their counter revolutionary in the communist terminology.
1548
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:15.199
So I think that's a big lesson that I think
1549
01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.760
if we ever get in positions of power, we need
1550
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.960
to take it seriously, and take culture seriously, and take
1551
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.479
our team seriously, and reward those that do take it
1552
01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:30.039
seriously and do a good job, and get rid of
1553
01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:32.439
the people that are not doing that, because in effect,
1554
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:38.279
you're poisoning the well for those that are instrumental and
1555
01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:43.399
caring for that mission by keeping the people that are negative,
1556
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:46.720
are problematic, are not willing to learn, are not willing
1557
01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:48.600
to become part of that project.
1558
01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:52.760
They are extremely detrimental. And I think that's another lesson.
1559
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:56.199
Less well.
1560
01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:57.640
I just want to say thank you for having me
1561
01:32:57.640 --> 01:32:59.520
on p I don't want to carry on too long
1562
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.399
because don't want to lose connection again. But I just
1563
01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:02.960
want to say thank you and thank you Adam.
1564
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:06.960
Of course to your plug. Tell people where they can
1565
01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:08.039
find your work.
1566
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.159
Lance Just go ahead and you can find me on
1567
01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:14.159
Twitter at Lance Legion, and you can also go to
1568
01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.479
DVX Publishing Company dot com. You can find all the
1569
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.560
information there. I just wrote a book.
1570
01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:20.199
Check it out.
1571
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:22.960
But again, thank you so much.
1572
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:26.199
No problem at all, Adam plug.
1573
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:31.760
Myth twenty c dot com, same thing on Twitter. Also,
1574
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:38.239
our writing companion site is the americansun dot substack dot com.
1575
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.439
We just moved over there, so it's on substack. But
1576
01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:45.560
the American son is Hank my co host project and
1577
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:49.000
Ryan Landry actually used to do a lot there. He's
1578
01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:52.279
still involved as well, but it's a growing site. And yeah,
1579
01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:55.680
check us out on Myth twenty c or the American son.
1580
01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:58.920
I appreciate it. Gentlemen, thank you very much.