Interviewing Dave Olson @ The Indiana State Sanatorium Mansion

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All right, all right, all right, how are y 'all
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doing tonight we are at the Indiana State Sanatorium
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in Rockville, Indiana. I am joined by Dave Olson
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from CPI. We've been doing investigations here
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for the whole day, starting Saturday into Sunday
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morning. We are at about 5, 36 o 'clock in the
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morning at this point, and everyone's probably
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fallen asleep by now. So I feel like I'm going
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to go in there and start banging some pans. But
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Dave, why don't you give us a little bit of what
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happened today in the nurses station in the nursing
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home? Yeah, it was pretty cool. When we were
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setting up, we had our command center misty right
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outside. And so we were hooking up cameras, all
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the cabling inside. So we have the camera feedback
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in the command center. Started out good. I mean
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we heard disembodied voices one was clear as
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day Saying there was a female's voice saying
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thank you Heard other voices while we're setting
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up gear and then So our team that was we had
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two teams going that night. So aren't I mean,
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it's all CPI members, but you know, we split
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up Teams one went another building and we started
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in a nursing the old nursing home area And we
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had a very good conversation. Lori was picking
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up a male and female, but there was an older
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female that wanted her out. And so we had three
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flashlights set up among, you know, REM pods,
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the millimeters and stuff like that. And it was
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intelligent, you know, being intelligent, communicating
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with us, you know, via the flashlights. It was,
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it was awesome. For those of you that don't or
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might not know, Lori is a professional psychic
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medium. We did an interview with her. I don't
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know how this is going to air, so you'll get
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to meet her eventually here on the show. But
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yeah, we were using Lori today and been pretty
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productive actually. She drove him all the way
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from Ohio today to be with us. And I've been
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working with her for approximately 20 years.
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On and off, she's been assisting me on several
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cases. I try not to waste her time, so I invite
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her when it's a place like this or someone that's
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really in need, a good location so I'm not wasting
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her time. Yeah, she's actually really on point.
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And she does things all over the country and
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world and everything else. But anyway, let's
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get back to the investigation. What type of questions
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were you asking when you were doing the flashlight
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investigation? Well, Lori, without a doubt, felt
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that this lady was mad that she was there because
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she could see her, know what she is feeling and
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saying. wanted her out and it was all confirmed
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by the flashlight and then we We asked you want
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Laurie to leave you gotta do more than one flashlight
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and it would keep on switching Flashlights, so
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we know it's not one that's just going off accidentally
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and then He said you gotta turn all three of
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them on and then she'll leave which Laurie walked
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out with our other female investigator Michelle
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and So I kept on, when I said three, kept on
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going one, two, three, one, two, three. I'm like,
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no, you gotta put them, all three of them at
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the same time. Finally did it. So Lori, Lori
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left, went outside with Michelle for a while,
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and then they came back in. So I explained to
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the spirit there, it seemed to take a liking
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to me. I mean, at first, I think whatever's there,
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I thought we were a pain asking questions. They
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don't want us there either. But once I explained
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myself what we're doing, and I was very thankful
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for her. We believed to be an older lady communicating
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with us. And I said, you know, we're here for
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you. And we saw some fake flowers on the bed
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in a book, which we believed was a room that,
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you know. Asking questions, we like some fresh
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flowers and boom, flashlight going off. It was
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just so intelligent. It was one of the better
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flashlight sessions maybe ever I had, but it
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ranks up there. We've really been doing well
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this year with the flashlight investigation.
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It seems to be working a lot. I think pretty
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much every investigation that we've been on so
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far this year, it's worked. You know, I like
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having multiple ones, not just one, you know,
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three or four of them. Yeah, and I'll see the
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entity we were dealing with in the, well, I guess
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it would be the kitchen of the... Psych ward?
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No, the nursing, either the psych ward or nursing
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home. It's right between the two of them. Oh,
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I got you. You're right. Yeah. And I mean, Mark
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was doing all the communication. Lori was saying
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that the person didn't like females, so they
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were... He wasn't answering Lori or Michelle,
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so they had to ask questions through Mark and
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Mark was getting answers about supposedly his
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brother that got thrown into a well and died.
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I'm thinking, I don't know if there's an actual
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well on this site. There probably is, but where
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it would be would be close to the houses is all
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I can think of. Right. But then we were getting,
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I was getting like mixed, like mixed answers
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because. Could the wall be the water plant thing?
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That's what I was thinking. That's the first
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thing that came to my mind was the water plant
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because it's a big, you know. And I have a feeling
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if you remember next to the water plant, there's
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actually a board covering a section. So how deep
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is that if it's covering? We couldn't we couldn't
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identify and Laurie kept asking a name, but it
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seemed like he was gonna refuse to give the name
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of himself But supposedly he and his brother
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were here and his brother died in a well and
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you know Supposedly this guy was like a serial
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killer or something And she she had a name of
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Greg from something Gregory, but he refused to
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confirm that and then we moved upstairs and Uh,
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we were having a conversation with a couple of
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females on the female floor. Uh, we think one
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was from England and we believe she was a nurse,
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uh, just because of what Laurie saw, you know,
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the American nurses and the English nurses dress
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completely different. I mean, they had the same
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type of white dress at the time or whatever,
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but all English nurses always wear a watch under
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uh, chest up here. I didn't know. Yeah. They
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have a special watch that's on the chain and
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every nurse has to have it. It's dress code.
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Uh, so she saw that in the, in what she was seeing
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in the vision and, um, the words that were coming
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up, not only on the spirit box, but whatever
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that thing that Michelle has that little, uh,
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I don't take too much stock in the word generator
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because it's programmed words, but there was
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coming, they were coming up with some good ones
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and then some off the wall ones. Like it was,
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you know, say like spaghetti. No, I don't think
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we're having that tonight, but. But we were still,
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and that corresponding with my spirit box in
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Portal, it would answer on one and then answer
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on the other. And every time that the answer
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was on the spirit box, it was the same voice
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every time. If something was going to say something
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different, like there was a male voice. but it
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didn't have anything to do with the questions
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or comments being made. The male voice that was
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answering wasn't answering any of the questions,
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just blurting out words. But every time the female
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voice would talk to us, it was a response to
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the question that we asked it. That was a little
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bit more believable. Then we got on the fifth
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floor with Paul, and Laurie was starting to read
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Paul, but then somehow we got away from her actually
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reading Paul and started reading about Paul on
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the paper there, and they have his picture up
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there. But they were having a great conversation
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with Everybody. Anybody would ask questions and
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then Paul would answer and it was a deep voice.
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And you know, and he's African American and you
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know, some African Americans have really deep
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voices. So it was kind of, I was like, wow, that
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kind of surprised me how deep his voice was.
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Because if you look at his picture, he wasn't,
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you know, Oh, excuse me. I'm so sorry. Like,
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uh, it wasn't like a big burly guy or anything.
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It was those average build guy, but you didn't
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expect that voice out of them. But you know,
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you can see it because I know plenty of African
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-American that had that type of voice. Yeah.
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So, um, yeah, that was an interesting time. But,
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uh, I, how do you, how do you like having the
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almost whole team here? Minus one guy. Yeah,
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this is great. It's so funny how it worked out.
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I mean, I'm so happy it worked out, but it's
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great to finally, like this is the first time
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you got to meet Matt. Yeah, this is. Yeah. Matt's
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schedule has been so screwy that he hasn't made
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an investigation in a while. So it was good to
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see him back among a couple of the newbies. We,
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we had our camera crew, which was nice. And then,
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um, yeah, I just feel bad. Chris didn't make
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it tonight, but, um, the duty calls in the city.
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Yeah. That's one of those jobs that you just
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don't want to turn down or can't turn down sometimes.
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Yeah. And mandatory overtime. Yeah. And, uh,
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but it was nice for me. I liked it. I get to
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see. You know, like I said, like you said, I've
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never seen Matt, met him at all and really great
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group of people. You've done a great job on picking,
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you know, including me, if I pat myself on the
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back. But yeah, it seems like this whole team
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works together really well, which I was really
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impressed with. That doesn't happen anywhere.
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You know, how many teams did we have? you know,
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working in law enforcement have, you know, how
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many times you have to go to the supervisor and
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man, I can't work with this guy or girl or whatever.
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And it's a pain in the ass or whatever, but that's
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why we're pretty strict when it, when it comes
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to, you know, uh, people on the team, uh, you
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know, You hear stories from other other teams
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out there or even social media you see all the
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inner fighting and jealousy and I Don't want
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any of that. No, you don't need it. You know,
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I am very proud that a lot of us are first responders,
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which means a lot We have a few non first responders,
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you know, like they You know our camera guys
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and so forth but Yeah. And I'm not one that will
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just pick one from the, you know, I got to feel
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it and I, you know, it helps if you have some
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type of ability or being a first responder where,
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you know, you got some trust there and it's got
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a gel and it's not even if Like a couple new
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people we have now there's no guarantees, you
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know, it's Just you know, they gotta it's got
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to be a fit right, you know if You know the first
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couple, you know, everyone's on their best behavior,
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but things You know veer off and it doesn't show
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anymore You know, it is what it is. But adios.
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Yeah. Well and it you know right now You know,
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I don't see too many conflicts, but you know,
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I'm not there all the time, but it's been working
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out today and we got, you know, an astounding
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amount of evidence that I consider really good.
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Like I said, you know, it's a lot of communication.
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It's not even just hearing an EVP. It's a lot
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of actual communicating back and forth, which
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is in my opinion, really unusual. Right. But
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what do you notice different about this investigation
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from the other two that you've been on here?
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Well, today it was definitely in some ways more
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active, interactive, you know, with us. Like
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today what happened at the nursing home, nursing
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station area. I mean, that was It was amazing.
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Even the fireman mad on the team. He's more skeptical
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guy and he was wowed. So this was active. And
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then what was crazy with that nursing station
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area last spring, it was weird. It was like someone
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opened a portal. And we couldn't use half the
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equipment we brought because it was for a place
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that has no power. We were getting EV maxed EVP
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spikes. You know, the meters is overloaded, you
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know? Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. And it's, and
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we were there in December. It was fine like today,
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but what went on last spring? I don't know. Was
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it March when we were here? Yeah, March. Yeah,
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and you're like I said, your trip wires weren't
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working. Your battery's draining. Battery's draining.
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I mean, we're talking, for instance, like the
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tablet, I turn it on five minutes, dead battery,
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camera batteries, GoPro batteries, you name it.
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Nothing lasted. And then we had new pieces of
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equipment we were really excited to try out and
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just would not work there. It was so frustrating.
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Yeah. But today it was a lot better other than
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we were having camera issues when we were setting
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up our command center. But I can't say for sure
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if that was paranormal or not. It could just
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be maybe a camera got damaged, a cable got damaged,
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but I'm going to test that stuff out when I get
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everything home. But yeah, it was... Today was
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a cool day. Just a lot of personal experiences,
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a lot of random, just floating charges in the
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air, you know, or you walk by and I mean, today,
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I mean, everyone was sweating. I mean, it was
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a hot day today and you just walk in by an area,
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just like someone flipped on air conditioning,
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like, whoa, it didn't start shaking, you know,
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you just, it was just in the air and it's. It
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was a really cool experience today. I had a lot
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of fun. A lot of fun working with the whole team.
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Everyone did a good job, but the place was willing
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to communicate. Not every building, but a lot
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of locations. The nice thing is we got to go
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in, even though we didn't do any investigation
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in the power plant or the laundry area, but we
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were in there. And it gives you an opportunity
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to see or hear anything and whether it was worth
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it or not. And with Lori with us, she would have
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keyed us if there was something that we should
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have seen there. Right. I went to the power plant,
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which there's rumors that the area around the
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power plant is a potter's field. Right. I can't
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say 100%, but that's what some of the research
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and stuff I read. you know, but that wasn't active
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today at all. At least to the team that I was
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with out there with Matt and Ryan and AJ. I guess
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we're going to have to see if my trail cam picks
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up anything because I got it faced towards where
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the water tower is basically. Right. So we'll
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see if it picks up anything, but It's so far.
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I've been really fortunate. I've been fortunate
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to be here today. I was supposed to be at a wedding.
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Yeah. I don't know how you got out of it, but
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I mean, we're glad to have you. So, and, uh,
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it's just been a, I've really been impressed
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with the whole, you know, with everybody. I mean,
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Lori, uh, you know, my daughter's sensitive.
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Right and I really didn't know how to approach
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how to talk to Lori because one I've never met
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her before and Two, you know some some psychic
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mediums Seem to take offense if you say the wrong
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thing and Lori's not like that at all You know,
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I and I I asked her, you know, how would you
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you know prefer to be you know? Introduced or
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you know, whatever and she just told me professional
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psychic medium. And I'm like, Oh, everything
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I don't want to say. So yeah, this group is really,
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it's been a good one so far. And I'm glad to
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be really part of it because this is just, this
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has rocked my world for years. And I told you
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before that I investigated by myself and I have
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a blast doing it. It's just, I have no one to,
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you know, feed off of or you know, if I'm asking
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questions and I hear a voice, well, yeah, I'm
00:20:52.089 --> 00:20:54.529
pretty sure it was either me or the ghost talking.
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Right. You know, but, you know, everyone comes
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up with different questions and, you know, or
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theories on how to do your investigation. And
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that makes it for a much better investigation.
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You know, everyone has their input and, you know,
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there's only a few things I see that Need to
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be Tone down a little bit and that's you know
00:21:21.980 --> 00:21:25.019
with the new ease. Did you hear a noise today?
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I can't hear anything That's not like a door
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It could be I mean We are in the air in the mansion
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I'm sorry. I mean, that's fine. No, that's a
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that's what we're here for and I'm hoping that
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during these interviews that I'm doing that we
00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:52.680
pick stuff up that I do have these other two
00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.180
microphones are live so you know they could be
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picking anything up and at any time so let's
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hope we get some EVPs out for this right but
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you know we were talking about Lori I worked
00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:12.559
with her from you know maybe 20 years or so I
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met her at a I'm functioning at the Brumner mansion
00:22:16.009 --> 00:22:20.450
and we just clicked and she's off and on helping
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the team because I mean, she lives out of state,
00:22:23.950 --> 00:22:28.230
Wisconsin and Ohio. She goes back and forth,
00:22:28.490 --> 00:22:31.549
but she helped a lot of my clients, you know,
00:22:31.549 --> 00:22:36.529
in the past and it was just very helpful. Just
00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:41.359
terrific woman, very nice woman. And yeah. I'm
00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:42.779
glad you made it out. She wanted to come here
00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:46.460
so bad. Oh, it's so funny how how it just worked
00:22:46.460 --> 00:22:49.220
out where this fall on our lap. Yeah. Well, that
00:22:49.220 --> 00:22:52.039
means that we were meant to be here. And even
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.240
like me missing a wedding, that means I was meant
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:59.640
to be here. It's it's unfortunate, but you know
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:04.480
what? It's a wedding. Right. I know. What else
00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:06.920
can I say about a wedding? It's you know, I was
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:13.740
in one I had, you know. But anyway, how do you
00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:15.880
feel about this here mansion that we're actually
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:19.799
in? It's pretty cool. It's cool. They're doing
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:25.099
a nice job on redoing it. And then we were hoping
00:23:25.099 --> 00:23:27.900
we could rent this place out and sleep in the
00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:31.279
bedrooms tonight. But it's not already yet. It's
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:35.380
still being worked on. But it's a cool place.
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:39.690
And the last time we were here, I know you and
00:23:39.690 --> 00:23:45.190
me and Ryan, it seemed like we had activity upstairs
00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:47.809
and then up in the attic, which was pretty cool.
00:23:48.069 --> 00:23:50.609
Yeah, we did. I feel that we had quite a bit.
00:23:51.710 --> 00:23:56.309
So today when I got done setting this up, I put
00:23:56.309 --> 00:24:00.109
a couple of recorders up there and had a little
00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:03.009
introduction and said, I'm back. And you touched
00:24:03.009 --> 00:24:06.509
me last time I was here. And please talk into
00:24:06.509 --> 00:24:10.470
these. If you're an adult, talk into this. If
00:24:10.470 --> 00:24:13.150
you're a child, talk into this little light here.
00:24:14.009 --> 00:24:21.730
So I think after today, I don't think there's
00:24:21.730 --> 00:24:28.009
any one place that is any more or less, for lack
00:24:28.009 --> 00:24:32.490
of better term, haunted. I think that It depends
00:24:32.490 --> 00:24:34.930
on the time of the year, the day that you're
00:24:34.930 --> 00:24:39.470
here, and how the spirits feel at that time.
00:24:40.089 --> 00:24:42.910
Because after talking to Lori, you know, it's
00:24:42.910 --> 00:24:49.490
more like these spirits are more aware, more,
00:24:49.589 --> 00:24:53.170
you know, they know what's going on. Lori was
00:24:53.170 --> 00:24:56.849
picking up not just regular spirits, but she
00:24:56.849 --> 00:25:00.029
was picking up Native American out in the brush.
00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:06.890
Okay. in the forest area. And, uh, she, she talked
00:25:06.890 --> 00:25:09.950
about four of them. She saw not, not far from
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:14.309
Misty. Oh, that's cool. And that was, I don't
00:25:14.309 --> 00:25:16.130
know if you'll probably talk about this when
00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:20.309
you interview Ryan, when we were here, uh, no,
00:25:20.349 --> 00:25:24.089
it was AJ, myself and Ryan, uh, with some other
00:25:24.089 --> 00:25:27.410
policemen that rented out the place and, um,
00:25:28.549 --> 00:25:33.019
Ryan saw something unexplained. Right where we
00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:36.700
parked the command center misty today and That's
00:25:36.700 --> 00:25:40.039
where Lori was seeing a lot of the Native American
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.180
spirits. Okay, so I'm wondering what The unexplained
00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:46.940
creature he saw and he's a hunter so he knows
00:25:46.940 --> 00:25:48.960
what he's looking at he knows deer and so on
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.779
and so forth and he's he saw something he saw
00:25:53.779 --> 00:25:58.799
in his eyes and He saw something unexplainable,
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.539
you know, I don't know if it was a window go
00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:04.319
or But if it's, you know, what was kind of cool
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.000
with Laurie picking up Native Americans, I wonder
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.720
if it's some type of skinwalker. Skinwalker,
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.960
yeah. Some type of creature. Lance cursed. It
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:15.799
used to be maybe Native American. It was taken
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:20.859
away. And, you know, I think we either I hit
00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:25.599
on it with Ryan before or what have you. But
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:30.519
to tell you, I mean. He was he wasn't even at
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.539
home yet He was on his way home and he called
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:36.599
me and wanted to see what I was You know what?
00:26:36.619 --> 00:26:39.779
I felt that he could have seen and that was one
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:41.920
of the first things that came on my mind was
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:46.880
you know a shapeshifter or Windigo it bothered
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:51.200
him you could see because it You know what you
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.920
got to be he was you're thinking logically you're
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.740
trying to explain yourself was my eyes playing
00:26:56.740 --> 00:27:03.740
tricks on me and He's a hunter. He knows the
00:27:03.740 --> 00:27:09.460
wildlife out there, hunts deer. But this one
00:27:09.460 --> 00:27:12.980
bothered him deeply and it bugged him trying
00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:15.859
to figure out what it is. And then we found out,
00:27:15.859 --> 00:27:19.099
we didn't know at the time, so that was December
00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:23.000
2nd. There was no tracks at all. And then the
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.180
area where it disappeared was more like a cliff.
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.740
or you're going to do some damage going down
00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:35.740
there. And we found out later, the second time
00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:37.980
we came into spring, that there's sightings of
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:41.980
wendigos out here. And I had no idea. And there's
00:27:41.980 --> 00:27:45.359
been creatures seen out on the lantern. That's
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.960
amazing. Uh, and that was, and poor AJ didn't
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.440
get to see it because he was trying to pick up
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.299
something off the floor on the car. Right. You
00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:56.700
know, but, uh, that's how it seems like it works,
00:27:56.700 --> 00:28:02.160
you know, um, and it might be that whoever's
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.799
in the area at the time, one person might affect
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:09.440
the whole thing. Right. So it's always important
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.599
to have a dash cam. Yeah, exactly. Uh, and you
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.200
don't, you know, as a, as an investigator, you
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.900
would think there, you know, we got cameras everywhere,
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.359
but you know, I don't have a dash cam. I don't
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:27.759
want the proof of what I've done. Uh, but yeah,
00:28:27.819 --> 00:28:31.039
there's, uh, there's so much that we can do that
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.819
is so easy to do. And dash cam is something that
00:28:33.819 --> 00:28:37.400
everybody really should have today. And, you
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.309
know, I see a lot of cars with them. But it's
00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:43.829
right there for you, and you don't have to take
00:28:43.829 --> 00:28:46.529
it out. And it was really weird today. I forgot
00:28:46.529 --> 00:28:50.069
my body cam. I mean, I have it with me, but I
00:28:50.069 --> 00:28:53.009
just forgot all about putting it on. And I never
00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:56.450
do that. So usually the first thing I do is take
00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:58.589
it out, put the body cam on, and I'm ready to
00:28:58.589 --> 00:29:04.369
go. And I'm just laszardasical. Then I knock
00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:09.769
my brain into the rafter up there. Oh, man. Yeah,
00:29:09.769 --> 00:29:14.750
I left part of my head there. But this is an
00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:19.109
exciting place. And I hope to do just as many
00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:22.650
exciting places in the future. Because if this
00:29:22.650 --> 00:29:27.289
is any example of what we can find, at some point,
00:29:27.670 --> 00:29:30.150
mainstream science is going to have to accept
00:29:30.150 --> 00:29:34.509
what we are giving as evidence. I hope so. Yeah.
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.839
It's either that or we're just a bunch of fools
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.539
and you know doing this for nothing Well, it's
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:45.000
time to get together. But right, you know, but
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.920
it's it's still it would like to be I would like
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.140
it to see it go Someplace else. I'd like to see
00:29:50.140 --> 00:29:54.539
it be proven that We're working so hard at this.
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.079
There's so yeah, I mean we investigated a lot
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.640
of time and money today. I mean we got out here
00:30:04.089 --> 00:30:07.309
probably eight in the morning, you know, like
00:30:07.309 --> 00:30:09.450
I was up at five 30 in the morning, you know,
00:30:09.529 --> 00:30:15.750
get all ready and, um, you know, try to do things
00:30:15.750 --> 00:30:18.690
right. I mean, we're not perfect, but you know,
00:30:18.869 --> 00:30:20.990
we want a time to scout the areas where we're
00:30:20.990 --> 00:30:22.329
going to put the cameras, where we're going to
00:30:22.329 --> 00:30:26.630
park Misty running all this cable. I mean, spend
00:30:26.630 --> 00:30:28.049
a lot of money just to spare me because they're
00:30:28.049 --> 00:30:31.400
long runs, you know, Right. 300 footers, 350
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.299
footers, 200 foot, 250 foot cables. And, you
00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:40.940
know, and then because of how big this place
00:30:40.940 --> 00:30:44.940
is and what Ryan saw that unexplained creature
00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:48.119
figure, whatever, you know, we went out and loaded
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.579
up on more trail cams, you know, just to prepare
00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:57.539
for this investigation. But so I mean. We're
00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.299
just not out here. I mean we enjoy each other's
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:03.079
company and stuff, but I mean we take it serious,
00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:06.480
right? Yeah, we're here to collect evidence and
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.759
We do it. I think we do a damn good job of it
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.140
I mean with the amount of equipment that you
00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:14.859
have it's just you know if you if we miss something,
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:25.099
it's your fault So anyway Well, I love this place
00:31:25.099 --> 00:31:31.049
yeah I love coming here. Well, I've been here
00:31:31.049 --> 00:31:33.490
twice. You've been here three times. And each
00:31:33.490 --> 00:31:36.410
time, it's delivered only in different ways.
00:31:36.450 --> 00:31:42.029
Right. I want to say it's probably said it a
00:31:42.029 --> 00:31:45.730
thousand times. It's probably seasonal like everything
00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:50.450
else. In spring, it was messing with us. And
00:31:50.450 --> 00:31:53.190
I feel that it was because it didn't want to
00:31:53.190 --> 00:31:56.380
answer our dumb questions. You know, and today,
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.619
okay, we'll give you a little bit of a hassle,
00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:02.839
but we'll work with you, you know. After the
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.099
camera situation, everything has been fine. Right.
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.039
I mean, I know that I went past Misty on one
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.119
of my trips going somewhere, and I noticed camera
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.779
five wasn't on, but six and seven were. Yeah,
00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:22.519
we were having trouble with the port number five.
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.789
Right, okay. So we skipped it. Yeah. Well, that's
00:32:26.789 --> 00:32:28.630
what I was wondering because originally you guys
00:32:28.630 --> 00:32:31.950
were on five, right? And it would work and then
00:32:31.950 --> 00:32:35.490
not work. And you know, it's weird. And then
00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:38.690
we took three cameras. I mean, they're not that
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:42.930
old. They're new and I have to check them out.
00:32:42.990 --> 00:32:44.769
I don't know if I have to buy three new cameras.
00:32:45.650 --> 00:32:48.369
That would be terrible. What are the, uh, I noticed
00:32:48.369 --> 00:32:51.829
there was white ones there. Yeah, there were,
00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:57.279
uh, for the DVR systems. Both DVRs in the truck
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:03.039
are Lorex and then we have Lorex 4K cameras.
00:33:03.339 --> 00:33:09.839
And then we have two different DVR systems where
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:17.039
one is more analog so I could hook up thermal
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.900
imaging cameras through them with the BNC connections
00:33:19.900 --> 00:33:24.279
and stuff like that. That's why I have two DVR
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.779
systems. They're both 16 channel systems, but
00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:31.359
ones for older cameras or maybe just high definition
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.160
1080p and then analog thermals. And then the
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.299
other one's all 4K. Okay. So I didn't, you know,
00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:44.339
I never, I realized that there's two different
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:46.619
systems in there, but I didn't know, you know,
00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:55.460
what it was, but anyway, what's next? Well, I
00:33:55.460 --> 00:33:57.720
think we're going to talk to the owner. I think
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.099
we have this really cool looking mansion. It's
00:34:01.099 --> 00:34:07.180
in the city, west side of Chicago. And it's the
00:34:07.180 --> 00:34:10.599
architect built several homes in that area. But
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.599
when you look at the picture of this mansion,
00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:14.159
it looks like something from the monsters, you
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.619
know, like the TV series. It's a real cool place.
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.260
I investigated there once before many years ago.
00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:24.730
And something followed me home after that investigation.
00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:31.670
And it screamed at us. I think it was German.
00:34:32.449 --> 00:34:36.429
It was mad we were there. And maybe thought we
00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:39.750
were trespassing, but I think he was the architect,
00:34:40.449 --> 00:34:42.909
because I think, if I remember right, he was
00:34:42.909 --> 00:34:47.929
German. But something followed me home that night.
00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:55.150
That night Actually, it was November we were
00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:59.449
there November 16th Into the 17th because 17th
00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:01.170
is my birthday. So I remember at midnight. We
00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:04.489
kind of take a break celebrated my birthday and
00:35:04.489 --> 00:35:09.969
So we got home Sunday and I was tired, but the
00:35:09.969 --> 00:35:12.469
Bears were good So I don't want to miss the Bears
00:35:12.469 --> 00:35:14.550
game, which I believe it was a noon game. Yeah,
00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:18.469
it was a noon game So I stayed up but around
00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.460
Six o 'clock at night. I'm starting to do the
00:35:21.460 --> 00:35:23.719
midnight head bobbing up being the police when
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.880
you have to work midnight. Oh, you know your
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.920
heads bobbing and So I told my wife my daughter
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.519
was really young at the time Maybe only a couple
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:40.360
years old or whatever and I Told my wife I said
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.239
I can't get my eyes open anymore. I'm gonna go
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.840
to bed someone up there and I'll shut the door
00:35:46.849 --> 00:35:50.449
and I could hear footsteps in my room, heavy
00:35:50.449 --> 00:35:54.070
boots, like just heavy footsteps, like three
00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:57.590
to four of them to my bed. And then I'm thinking,
00:35:58.550 --> 00:36:01.210
thinking logical. Okay, Dave, you're overtired.
00:36:01.949 --> 00:36:03.690
You know, you just, your mind's playing tricks
00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:08.309
on you. I know I heard it 100%. So within a minute
00:36:08.309 --> 00:36:12.469
or so, same thing, do, do, do, do, footsteps,
00:36:12.570 --> 00:36:15.820
like. to right where my head is, like it's standing
00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:22.500
over me. And now, was it sleeping or anything?
00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:27.019
I'm being held down. It's the first time, you
00:36:27.019 --> 00:36:29.099
know, and I know you get the sleep paralysis.
00:36:29.179 --> 00:36:34.119
You always got to think logical, but this was
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:35.739
something. I mean, it wasn't choking me, but
00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:40.440
it was holding. me down. Growing up, I was a
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.559
wrestling fan. I'm trying to do the Hulk Hogan,
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.340
how he's getting beaten on and he starts shaking
00:36:46.340 --> 00:36:49.059
and then breaks through the hold or whatever.
00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:53.679
I finally broke loose and jumped out of bed.
00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:59.260
I opened the door and I'm screaming down at my
00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:04.380
wife. I don't know what she's going to do. For
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.750
a few weeks, someone was in my house. I would
00:37:06.750 --> 00:37:09.690
hear the footsteps and then I had to call Lori.
00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:13.030
I called Lori and then I called another psychic
00:37:13.030 --> 00:37:16.389
meeting. We deal with Susan because at that time.
00:37:18.409 --> 00:37:22.510
I didn't know much. I mean, just. I mean, I've
00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:25.090
been investigated for a while, but I really didn't
00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:28.710
know and learn how to protect myself, my family.
00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:32.119
You know, I would. You know, whatever your beliefs
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.860
are with cleansing, saging and stuff like that,
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.559
and, you know, having blessed items. I wasn't
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.960
sure at that time, as an investigator, what I
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.559
truly believed in when it came to that. Now I
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:51.039
do, but, but yeah, it took with their help. I
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.039
had to do some cleansing and also barking orders.
00:37:54.139 --> 00:37:56.780
I know you're here and it's time for you to go
00:37:56.780 --> 00:38:00.119
and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, it worked. And
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.260
so I guess the question is, whatever followed
00:38:05.260 --> 00:38:10.679
you home, so it was just driving you crazy or
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.019
was it actually trying to make you do things
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:17.760
that you wouldn't normally do? I think it was
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.980
playing like mind games on me because these footsteps,
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:26.619
I remember my wife was gone. My daughter was
00:38:26.619 --> 00:38:29.710
in the crib. I'm in the basement going through
00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:33.389
evidence, and I could hear the footsteps. I'm
00:38:33.389 --> 00:38:36.590
like, holy shit, my daughter got out of her crib
00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:39.929
and I'm running up there like a madman and she's
00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:43.550
asleep. I heard them damn footsteps. I mean,
00:38:43.610 --> 00:38:45.909
I shouldn't have realized they're too heavy to
00:38:45.909 --> 00:38:53.610
be a toddler. But yeah, it was around. It made
00:38:53.610 --> 00:38:59.860
itself known. grabbing here and there. And so
00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:01.539
I'm like, okay, I know you're here. It's time
00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:04.699
for you to go, you know. And how long was it
00:39:04.699 --> 00:39:06.559
before you actually realized you picked something
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:14.840
up from that house? You know, I probably knew.
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.590
Well, I knew that. I knew that night when I,
00:39:20.630 --> 00:39:22.590
you know, with the footsteps and being out. Oh,
00:39:22.650 --> 00:39:24.389
so that was the same night you came, came home
00:39:24.389 --> 00:39:26.889
from the investigation. Right. And then, yeah.
00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:30.150
So yeah, I think I pulled in my driveway. It
00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:32.730
was, it was a long one. I probably pulled in
00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:34.650
my driveway about six in the morning, seven in
00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:36.949
the morning and then stayed up for the Bears
00:39:36.949 --> 00:39:41.389
game. And then, uh, yeah. So, yeah. So I knew
00:39:41.389 --> 00:39:46.050
something was going on then. And then, you know,
00:39:46.050 --> 00:39:49.070
I was kind of in denial. But in my heart, I knew
00:39:49.070 --> 00:39:51.190
something was going on and then trying to ignore
00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:56.809
it, see if it'd go away. I had to take steps
00:39:56.809 --> 00:40:02.070
and get it out. And how long did it take you
00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:06.650
to actually get rid of this thing? Once I started
00:40:06.650 --> 00:40:10.250
cleansing the area, it was gone. It took off.
00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:14.599
It took me two or three weeks to... To make the
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.480
calls and get the stuff that I you know needed
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.139
and bark orders and right because it's hard I
00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:23.400
mean, I want to think logical and you know David
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.800
is going nuts and this and that and I wasn't
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.480
sure what I believed if stuff could follow you
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.519
home and attach I'm like at first I'm thinking
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.840
I was bullshit. There's no way Yeah until it
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.860
happens, you know, I'm one of these guys like
00:40:36.860 --> 00:40:39.119
I keep an open mind But until it happens to me,
00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:41.639
that's when I become a believer. Okay, man. Yeah,
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.440
that's that's basically Basically how you have
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.900
to be. And that's why I'm kind of surprised that
00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:53.300
Matt is still the way he is after seeing everything
00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:57.360
after, especially after tonight. This was a really
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.960
creative, a lot of activity throughout this whole
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.239
investigation. Every team and everybody seems
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:12.809
like they've had some type of experience. I was
00:41:12.809 --> 00:41:15.929
expecting fully to have some experience here,
00:41:15.929 --> 00:41:22.530
but when I was here, the owner was here and she
00:41:22.530 --> 00:41:26.849
was doing stuff in the kitchen. So it kind of
00:41:26.849 --> 00:41:31.449
hurt the invest my investigation because she's
00:41:31.449 --> 00:41:33.610
clinking around. She was, I guess she does all
00:41:33.610 --> 00:41:37.989
her baking here. Oh wow. Okay. So, uh, yeah,
00:41:37.989 --> 00:41:40.030
she has pets at home. So she doesn't bake at
00:41:40.030 --> 00:41:43.900
home. But I don't know why I know all that But
00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:46.460
yeah, so it wasn't really helpful and then she
00:41:46.460 --> 00:41:50.360
had some employees coming in and out You know,
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:55.659
so that kind of hindered An afternoon investigation
00:41:55.659 --> 00:41:58.860
but for the evening like it's now it's this mansion
00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:01.860
has been empty virtually all day so I'm gonna
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:04.880
go up later on today and get the recorders out
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.360
and I'll probably have what close to 16 hours
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.760
worth of audio just from the attic alone. Yeah,
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.840
that's brutal. That's the problem, you know,
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:17.500
with this doing the investigation. We're having
00:42:17.500 --> 00:42:20.659
fun now, but now comes the grueling part, you
00:42:20.659 --> 00:42:24.099
know, the going through all the evidence and
00:42:24.099 --> 00:42:26.179
I still haven't gone through the first stuff.
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.619
I still got all kinds of shit I got to finish
00:42:29.619 --> 00:42:32.719
going through. I got so much stuff, man. I just
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:36.280
I'm going crazy just by the external hard drives,
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.329
man. I'm just. with all the video then all the
00:42:39.329 --> 00:42:43.269
4k video and stuff it just fills up i i'll have
00:42:43.269 --> 00:42:48.670
a six terabyte external hard drive and after
00:42:48.670 --> 00:42:51.769
two investigations it's like i just had to buy
00:42:51.769 --> 00:42:55.269
another one it's it's just wow but you know i
00:42:55.269 --> 00:42:57.789
i keep all the original stuff maybe one day i'll
00:42:57.789 --> 00:43:01.110
get rid of it but i don't just keep everything
00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:03.030
just download everything and uh the external
00:43:03.030 --> 00:43:04.909
hard drive you know for all the video all the
00:43:04.909 --> 00:43:09.829
audio case ever want to go back to it or case
00:43:09.829 --> 00:43:13.190
Someone needs it for something, you know a show
00:43:13.190 --> 00:43:16.309
or podcast or something. Yeah, and you can always
00:43:16.309 --> 00:43:21.369
You can compare you can always use it as a you
00:43:21.369 --> 00:43:26.190
know of tool to compare One room, you know Look
00:43:26.190 --> 00:43:28.130
at it on here and look at it there. See what
00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:30.909
you know, what's different if something's moved
00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:37.170
or whatever but That these investigations are
00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:43.250
today, in my opinion, and I am asking your opinion
00:43:43.250 --> 00:43:46.449
on it, have got to be easier than it was even
00:43:46.449 --> 00:43:49.949
in the 90s when I started doing it. You had a
00:43:49.949 --> 00:43:55.989
camera, a voice recorder. I don't think anything
00:43:55.989 --> 00:44:00.170
else. I think it was just those two things. Right.
00:44:00.449 --> 00:44:03.719
I can't. think of all the tools like, you know,
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.920
spirit box. You didn't have the spirit box. You
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.500
didn't have, certainly didn't have the trip wires,
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.039
REM pods. There was no REM pods in the nineties.
00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:16.780
You know, how did we do it back then? And look
00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:20.300
at what we have today. And mainstream science
00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:25.340
is still not, uh, accepting our evidence. And
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:28.360
we've got a lot of evidence. Right. You know,
00:44:28.940 --> 00:44:33.050
we have Probably out of all the evidence that
00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:40.210
needs to be out there, Bigfoot, UFOs, paranormal,
00:44:41.510 --> 00:44:44.670
paranormal has got to have it covered tenfold
00:44:44.670 --> 00:44:47.389
over any one of those others, you know, over
00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:50.309
cryptids or anything like that. You know, it
00:44:50.309 --> 00:44:53.550
probably destroys the field in my opinion is
00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:57.510
because there's, you know, I don't know if you
00:44:57.510 --> 00:44:59.869
want to call them amateurs. just doesn't have
00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:02.349
enough experience yet on how to go through stuff
00:45:02.349 --> 00:45:09.429
and put stuff on social media that's not evidence.
00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:13.230
Right. You know, and just like these TV shows,
00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:17.469
you know, and especially now with AI out there,
00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:22.829
like I forget this show that's out there and
00:45:22.829 --> 00:45:26.010
it's all these video clips and cameras and stuff,
00:45:26.429 --> 00:45:29.139
catching supposed paranormal stuff and You know,
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.440
I think some of that just destroys the field
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.239
of evidence because of stuff that's staged. Yeah,
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.300
that's the worst thing about it is staged stuff
00:45:40.300 --> 00:45:45.440
today. And what's not helping too is AI. Right.
00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:49.480
You got to trust anyone, anything now with that.
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.000
Yeah, that's got to be the toughest is the AI
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.880
because you can do anything. You can make anything
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.619
out of that AI. and I'm living proof. I've done,
00:46:00.619 --> 00:46:09.139
you know, my logo. I'd never dealt with AI before,
00:46:09.139 --> 00:46:13.420
and I made a logo for my podcast, you know, just
00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:16.000
by saying, hey, so and so. I don't even know
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.380
what the hell they call it anymore. But, you
00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:20.960
know, make this, this and this. And it popped
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.179
right up. And I mean, that's my logo now. But
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:27.570
I didn't have to have a a custom designer or
00:46:27.570 --> 00:46:32.449
anything in for that and you know and you know
00:46:32.449 --> 00:46:36.289
to be honest i've never never done it never used
00:46:36.289 --> 00:46:38.130
it i don't know if i want to know how because
00:46:38.130 --> 00:46:41.969
i don't ever get blamed of using it but i mean
00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:46.230
i probably should know but in this way it probably
00:46:46.230 --> 00:46:48.130
will help me out if someone says hey is this
00:46:48.130 --> 00:46:51.489
real or not showing me stuff and i should probably
00:46:51.489 --> 00:46:54.590
get to know that a little better and uh Yeah,
00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:57.449
there's how to use it and this way I could help
00:46:57.449 --> 00:47:00.849
me debunk stuff that other people are you know
00:47:00.849 --> 00:47:04.210
showing me you know I get a lot of emails and
00:47:04.210 --> 00:47:06.750
Messages of hey, you know check out this video
00:47:06.750 --> 00:47:10.030
check out these pictures and blah blah blah you
00:47:10.030 --> 00:47:15.070
know Yeah, that's the toughest it's Especially
00:47:15.070 --> 00:47:16.769
when you want to believe the person that sent
00:47:16.769 --> 00:47:19.809
you into the stuff But are they out to make a
00:47:19.809 --> 00:47:22.809
name for themselves? Well, they've had CPI said
00:47:22.809 --> 00:47:28.969
it was real And are they going to be able to
00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:31.889
make a dime off of it is a lot of the situation.
00:47:34.030 --> 00:47:38.250
But in this field, and I feel this field especially,
00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:42.389
you don't have to fake evidence. All you got
00:47:42.389 --> 00:47:47.050
to be is there. Once you're there, it comes to
00:47:47.050 --> 00:47:53.400
yourself. There's so much out there. All these
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.400
instruments today are nothing that we used ever.
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:00.480
I never used an EMF meter. I never used anything
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.800
other than a radio, I mean a video camera, a
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.440
still camera, and a voice recorder. That's what
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.559
you had. And if you're really good, you can use
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:16.059
a dowsing rod. I don't believe that either because
00:48:16.059 --> 00:48:21.230
that can be skewed by human error, but I never
00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:24.469
use them. I mean, someone gave me a pair, but
00:48:24.469 --> 00:48:29.469
if I was going to consider that evidence, just
00:48:29.469 --> 00:48:31.269
more than that's got to be going on. There's
00:48:31.269 --> 00:48:35.449
got to be some voices or EMF meter spiking or
00:48:35.449 --> 00:48:37.929
something. What I like to do, what I like to
00:48:37.929 --> 00:48:41.230
use it for, and I don't know if it makes sense
00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:45.389
or not, but what I like to do is if I'm getting
00:48:45.389 --> 00:48:49.409
EVPs in an area, I like to take it and find the
00:48:49.409 --> 00:48:55.030
water. because it finds water and And it finds
00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:59.610
it real easy Found they found my buffalo box
00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:03.150
for me it found my in here's the funny thing
00:49:03.150 --> 00:49:07.289
is I had already made a pair of dowsing rods
00:49:07.289 --> 00:49:11.650
I Call up Stickney Township the guy gets out
00:49:11.650 --> 00:49:14.710
of the truck with dowsing rods and that's how
00:49:14.710 --> 00:49:17.840
he found my buffalo box He didn't look any other
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.659
way. He didn't have any electronic equipment.
00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:21.760
He came out with dowsing rods, and that's how
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:28.500
he founded my water line. He walks past it, and
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:33.840
he crosses. He goes, your sewer is here. Why
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.739
wouldn't my water be there? He goes, because
00:49:35.739 --> 00:49:38.280
they wouldn't run it here. It's got to be run
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:43.340
so far over. He walked over, walked right to
00:49:43.340 --> 00:49:45.679
the end of my driveway, and went Yep, there it
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.519
is, right there. I'm like, I've been cutting
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.079
the grass for 30 years. I said, there's nothing
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.860
here. He says, your buffalo box is right here.
00:49:54.219 --> 00:49:58.400
OK. They dug it up. Sure enough, like six or
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.019
seven inches below the surface, the buffalo box
00:50:02.019 --> 00:50:05.539
sank, you know. And so I know the dowsing rods
00:50:05.539 --> 00:50:08.840
work for at least finding water. You know, I
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.960
don't know about all this gold and silver and
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:20.730
ghost, but you know. I've seen it. Yeah. I've
00:50:20.730 --> 00:50:24.090
seen it where they've used it to answer questions
00:50:24.090 --> 00:50:27.769
and you don't have to use both of them. You use
00:50:27.769 --> 00:50:34.170
one, but you know, I'm actually developing a
00:50:34.170 --> 00:50:37.630
system for that because human error is the fact
00:50:37.630 --> 00:50:41.750
that you move your hand. If let's take the human.
00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:47.239
Hand out of the equation and if I have that dowsing
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:52.059
rod in a stationary sand like this And I say
00:50:52.059 --> 00:51:00.139
turn to the left for yes And it does it sorry
00:51:00.139 --> 00:51:03.280
about that people yeah, I know it's 522 in the
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:08.380
morning, right? Yeah And it if it turns to the
00:51:08.380 --> 00:51:11.199
left and answers that question then the human
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.019
is out of the equation and that's what I'm trying
00:51:15.019 --> 00:51:17.059
to develop something to actually just hold it
00:51:17.059 --> 00:51:22.159
about a dowsing rod and see how it really works
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.400
because I like to believe they could you know
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.920
because they say water you know helps attract
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:37.739
the spirits and you know support them. But granite
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:41.420
and all that other does too, you know, I'm breaking
00:51:41.420 --> 00:51:45.559
my chair, but, uh, those are all simple tools
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:48.940
that we use in, you know, I have them in my backpack
00:51:48.940 --> 00:51:53.820
all the time. Um, but that's all we would have
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:56.619
had back in a day today, man, look at the stuff
00:51:56.619 --> 00:52:00.300
that we have. And, you know, these companies
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:04.079
got rich off our asses. Right. Yeah. I mean,
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.400
some of them. Sometimes it's a waste of money,
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:10.179
but I love to try new things and see what works,
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:12.860
what doesn't, but I've wasted a lot of money
00:52:12.860 --> 00:52:15.619
in the past. Yeah, that was what was nice about
00:52:15.619 --> 00:52:18.159
those trail cams. They weren't overly expensive.
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.840
They were, and they're relatively nice. I mean,
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.980
I've taken, I've seen the pictures off of them
00:52:23.980 --> 00:52:31.659
and the video. But yeah, the pictures are clear
00:52:31.659 --> 00:52:36.699
as a bell. I think we're going to be pleasantly
00:52:36.699 --> 00:52:38.920
surprised. I think we have a little problem with
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.579
the fog that's going on because, of course, now
00:52:42.579 --> 00:52:47.079
we have the fog. Right. But I noticed it going
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.280
across the screen when I was watching it on my
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:55.539
phone. But those are going to be nice. And I'm
00:52:55.539 --> 00:52:58.800
interested to see all the video that has come
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.750
out of here and what we can find. how it working
00:53:03.750 --> 00:53:08.650
out, so. Well, on that note, I am going to let
00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:11.309
you get to Misty and get your job done and some
00:53:11.309 --> 00:53:14.809
sleep in. Yeah, I still got to pack all the camera
00:53:14.809 --> 00:53:16.789
gear. I have everything set aside. I just got
00:53:16.789 --> 00:53:19.329
to finish putting in all the cases and then all
00:53:19.329 --> 00:53:21.829
the cords and stuff we're going to do. We'll
00:53:21.829 --> 00:53:24.769
try to get an hour or two of sleep and then.
00:53:24.889 --> 00:53:27.429
Start packing up the cables and the cameras we
00:53:27.429 --> 00:53:31.440
still have in the. nursing area. Oh, yeah. Well,
00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:34.559
thank you for joining me on this show, and we'll
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.079
look forward to doing this again. And for all
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.159
of you out there, check out CPI. It is CPI .com,
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:46.219
right? ChicagoParanormal .com. We're working
00:53:46.219 --> 00:53:48.860
on a new website. We actually took a bunch of
00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:52.280
photos today. I'm not sure when the new website's
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.170
going to happen, but hopefully soon. Uh, from
00:53:57.170 --> 00:54:00.150
a very professional friend of mine that does
00:54:00.150 --> 00:54:03.210
that for a living every day, uh, it takes no
00:54:03.210 --> 00:54:08.269
longer than 20 minutes. So, uh, yeah, he, he
00:54:08.269 --> 00:54:10.030
said it should be up and running. He goes, the
00:54:10.030 --> 00:54:13.190
longest it would take him, depending on how much
00:54:13.190 --> 00:54:17.969
stuff would be in it is like an hour. So yeah,
00:54:18.110 --> 00:54:22.539
today's, uh, uh, websites ain't that tough, but
00:54:22.539 --> 00:54:26.780
still checking out now and you get to see at
00:54:26.780 --> 00:54:31.079
least a crew of old in there and there's still
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.260
some of the members that are here today that
00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:40.179
are in the CPI's web page website. So check us
00:54:40.179 --> 00:54:45.539
out there. Check out my not podcast with Mike
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:49.860
Lou and Ed where we just BS all evening. And
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:55.199
then smash that like, share, and subscribe button.
00:54:55.420 --> 00:54:57.500
I appreciate it very much. And thank you for
00:54:57.500 --> 00:54:59.920
joining us. Dave, thank you for joining me again.
00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:03.619
Thank you. And sorry we were yawning. We investigated
00:55:03.619 --> 00:55:07.079
all day. Yeah, it's been a long one. All right,
00:55:07.179 --> 00:55:29.190
we'll see you next time, people. Thank you. Yeah.