Bruce Young on Normalizing Success, Practicing Failure, and Mindset Mastery

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Welcome to the Masters Athletes Device, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40.
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I'm John Catalina, and along with Scott Fike, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes to defy age.
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Hey, we're loudly back.
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Hi everybody.
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Hey, we're loudly back.
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Yeah, things are getting glitchy.
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I think I uh thank you, Captain Obvious.
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Yeah, I know.
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Whatever.
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Hey, who are you?
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I'm John.
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Guess who I am.
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Um Tania Twain.
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Man, I feel like a woman.
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That was a tiny.
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No, I'm I'm Scott.
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I'm at least last time I checked the back of my underwear, I'm still Scott.
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Scott, I heard a very polite Canadian voice in the distance.
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What was that?
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That was me singing tonight Twain.
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No, after that.
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Oh, after that?
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I don't know.
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Is there somebody else here in the studio today?
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Not in studio, but we have a guest online.
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Talk to me.
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Okay.
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It's me, Bruce Young.
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That's Bruce Young.
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Hey, Bruce Young.
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Bruce, nice to meet you, bud.
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Our favorite Canadian for the day.
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I bet you say that all the time.
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Well, I say it to my wife all the time, but that's okay.
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Is she your favorite Canadian?
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She is my favorite Canadian for the last 30 plus years.
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I think Gord Downey was my favorite Canadian for a while, so we're moving on.
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Oh, now you're talking.
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Yeah, see, I see.
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I speak Canadian.
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Bruce, uh, why don't you tell everybody that's listening uh a little bit about who you are?
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Okay.
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Uh 62-year-old masters athlete.
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Um dabbled in adventure racing 15 years ago, thought I was in pretty good shape, and then I got introduced to a little sport called CrossFit back in the early days and was immediately hooked.
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Uh ended up competing at the CrossFit Games in 2015 where I was 16th.
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Wait a minute, then 19th.
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Bruce, Bruce, time out on the field here.
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Sorry.
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We're throwing a flag here on this one.
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You competed in the CrossFit games, like the ones that you see on TV.
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Yeah, I did that four times.
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Holy shit!
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Yeah, Scott, when I get a guest, I get a guest.
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I see that.
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All right, Bruce.
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This is gobsmacked moment for me.
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A little reefruit, boys.
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A little reflect.
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Exactly.
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No, we live in spontaneity.
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Plus, if we had studied, we would have forgotten it by now.
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And you would have been all nervous and all that shit.
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I get it.
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Oh my god, we're talking to Bruce Young.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah.
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So sorry, continue now that Scott is.
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Time back in appropriately, gobsmacked.
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Okay, 2015, 16th in the world.
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And at the end of the CrossFit games in 2015, I remember Lang finishing the workout, and I was on, and I've got a picture of this.
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I'm on my hands and my knees.
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The thing is over.
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I finished like not even close to what I wanted to.
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It was the first time I ever felt the feeling of truly competing at a high level.
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And I remember thinking to myself, I love this feeling.
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I want it again.
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And I want to do better.
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Came back, ended up uh waiting a couple years, so I was aging into the new category, did it in 2019.
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Always a good move where I was Pardon me?
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Always a good move to like if you're on the cusp of a new age group to maybe wait a sec.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Um so 2019 ended up uh the last day going into final day, I was in second place.
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And uh Scott, you're a Bills fan, so you could probably relate to this.
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I started planning the parade the night before.
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Go Bills.
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I'm not a Bills fan, John's a Bills fan.
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And it ended up in fifth place, which uh really was very humbling.
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Uh that's the Canadian version of Wide Right.
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What's that?
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That's the Canadian version of wide right for us Bills fans.
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Yeah.
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And uh so I ended up fifth and then came back in twenty twenty-one, ended up holding him in third place, and then in twenty twenty-four I ended up um qualifying, going down to the game, but a week before I blew up my shoulder and decided to go anyways and see how it went, but it didn't go well.
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So I only did one event with one shoulder, and then that was deadlifts and uh and a running event.
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Yeah, I uh I know an athlete like that.
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His name is Scott, and he he's nearby.
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No, I I I get I get that mentality.
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You you know, at some point uh you gotta roll the dice and think maybe I can just gut it through.
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Well, John I have a really jacked-up shoulder, but you know, John has asked me before on some other podcasts.
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My phrase is DFS, don't fucking stop.
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Oh, you know, look at that.
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That's spicy.
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Or we had what was the one um DFL?
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Uh we talked to a marathoner and she says, I just I'm not gonna be DFL.
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We're like, what's that?
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She goes, Dead fucking last.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Not last.
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All right, Bruce.
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Uh for the whole shoulder surgery.
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I ended up um like I I tweaked it in uh a minor tear in the infraspinitis and was um managing it through cortisone and talking to the sports med doctor, and I said, like, I want to just get through 2024, it's my final year, it's the final time I'm going to the CrossFit Games because it takes absolutely everything you can to get there from nutrition, like everything.
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And I managed it up until three days before I left where I was doing double unders, and my infraspinitis and my supraspinitis popped off the and just tore four centimeters each.
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So that kind of put an end to my my 2024 rut.
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Damn.
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Ladies and gentlemen at home, I just want to point out the fact that if your muscles are not connected to what they should be connected by no matter how many centimeters, um, yeah, that that's a wrap.
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So Yeah, that was done.
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Yeah.
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Bruce, before we go into your and I knew you were a high-level CrossFitter, but I I it's kind of like you speak German and I speak English because I sort of understand the CrossFit mentality, but not really.
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But you mentioned adventure racing.
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Yeah.
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And I am interested in what that is, because I don't I think I might know, but I don't think I know.
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So picture adventure racing is travel on for uh people with ADHD.
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Show up at a at a place with a team of three people, uh north of like north, three hours north of Toronto in a town called Thurst Town.
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You've got a topographical map, you've got a backpack, you're gonna start with 90k, 90 kilometer mountain bike ride transition into a 30-kilometer backpack track into a 30-kilometer uh canoe ride with Portageon.
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Each transition station you change and you get more food, but you're carrying your food and you're self-supported, and it's all topographical maps, no GPS.
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Bruce, we're not we're not the same species.
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We're just not.
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Like when the zombie apocalypse comes, you're gonna make it, and I'm not.
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And I I applaud you because he's gonna be out running, biking, and portaging, and I'm gonna be eating Cheetos on the couch.
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Not a sponsor.
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Yeah, true.
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Yeah, I love you guys' comments on Cheetos.
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I'm not a Cheetos fan.
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Too dirty on the finger.
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You know, you know what, Bruce?
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I and I just like to say this because I just got back from vacation where I ran into a whole bunch of lovely Canadians, and we've decided that in the free world, the best snack food are coffee crisp candy bars.
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Oh, young coffee.
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I heard you say that on a podcast earlier.
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It's a thing.
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Not a coffee crisp head, but I get it.
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Yeah, it's a thing.
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You know, and part of it is, you know, you want the thing you can't have because across the river from here, coffee crisp are 79 cents Canadian, which is like 12 cents American.
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And here they're like here they're like 450 or something ridiculous.
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Well, I'll give you an idea how much John likes them.
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I like them.
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One year for your birthday.
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I bought you like 30 of them, remember?
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Yep, they're not here, they're not here with us anymore.
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They weren't there the day after his birthday.
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No, that that's probably true.
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So adventure so not even the charity, sure.
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Yeah, so are adventure races like so you're trying to get across some finish line by in a time, or you just go as far as you can go in 24 hours, or how does it be?
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No, you're trying to get to a uh uh a finish line.
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Okay.
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It's obviously a finite finish line back to the start in 24 hours.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're you're wrong.
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I'm always wrong.
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A lot of what John and I, you know, the people you've had before, they've done something in their, you know, their teens and twenties, and then they had that life happening thing, and they're trying to get back.
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It sounds like if I'm understanding your timeline right, there was no, you know, chunk in the middle.
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You've been doing stuff straight along.
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Am I right with that?
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I played hockey as a kid.
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Obviously.
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That was that was my big four, not at any high level, but by any stretch of imagination, rec hockey had a had a really a lot of fun with it.
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Um got married uh my first wife, and I remember Okay, keep in mind what I've told you I do now.
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And I remember my father-in-law at the time saying, because I play pickup hockey at night, that I should stop playing hockey because it's dangerous now that I had kids.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That that as you can see, I that's probably one of the founding pillars of why we do this podcast, because we are a little bit trying to combat those people that say, you know, you're 35 now.
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You should probably just sit on the couch and eat a snack food of choice.
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Not Cheetos, not Cheetos.
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Cheetos, of course, of course, still not a sponsor.
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Um, so yeah, so that's first that's awesome.
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And I can't believe we went so far down this this you as an athlete, because what I really wanted to talk to you about was you as this mindset motivation human.
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Because uh you came to us through Candace where she just said, because I am I I admittedly, like I don't even have to make up a scenario about what you would do for the laziest human being on earth that still wants to be an athlete, because I am the embodiment of that person.
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I I will I will gladly bitch and moan and do I will do a workout, but I will bitch and moan about it the entire workout.
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Yeah, it it's fair.
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So uh you've done some incredible things.
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You know, we've we've seen your work product in Candace and the you know the 24-hour races, the the going from a heavy discipline of like powerlifting moves to CrossFit moves.
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Uh at the core of all of us as human beings, do we all have the capacity to be super motivated and super like push ourselves as hard as you seem to be able to?
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I truly believe at the core, everybody does, and that's truly what motivates me is when I'm training people or when I'm working with them on a life coach basis or a life ed coach basis, is having them exceed what they think is possible.
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And I do it every day, and I absolutely love it.
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And if if people follow me on Instagram and they see it, I do to inspire people to say, you know what?
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You don't stop at 30, you don't stop at 35.
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You just keep going, or even just keep getting better.
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Yeah, that's age is I don't appreciate it.
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Age is just a number.
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Wow, yeah, I I you are so impressive.
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Um what you what is your Instagram, by the way, since we we did that?
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Uh B.E.
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Young.
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There you go.
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B Young.
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That's that sounds any hyphens?
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Pound signs?
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No, my my son's just shocking right now.
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Yeah.
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My assistant.
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Your uh your assistant.
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Oh, this is a good time to transition to that since you Yeah, go ahead.
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All right, it's B E Young coach.
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Oh yeah, there you go.
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Everybody follow them because you're gonna because you have the capacity to be amazing people, and I have seen what this gentleman can do to unlock some significant potential in human beings.
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Well, I think about some of the stories Candace told us when we talked with her.
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I mean, both you know, off-air and when we we had the pleasure of talking to her on air.
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Yeah, you know, the I just ran a 24-hour ultra, and then the following weekend I went out into the 5k PR.
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Yeah, you know, and then I've got uh a comp, you know, a month later for strongman.
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Well, strongman, yeah, there's got to be a gas tank to it, but it doesn't lend itself to ultra marathoning.
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Yeah, and the fact that she has the mentality just speaks volumes to what you do.
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Yeah.
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So Bruce, as my whiny actual self, I come to you and I say, Bruce, you know, I'm I'm a pretty decent athlete, but there's so much potential to be better.
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Thanks for that endorsement, Scott.
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You're welcome.
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Um what what do I do?
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What is step one into sort of unlocking my potential?
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Step one is find out what you like to do.
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And I heard I heard one of your earlier guests listening to today.
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Um, if if you like to run, go run.
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If you like to maybe not pick a ball, but like if you like to think or do I say that out loud?
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Hey, no.
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Oh my god, you are now my wow favorite person in the world.
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You're related to Scott.
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I feel like you're related to Scott.
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This has been some sort of cool sentence.
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Bruce, that was brilliant.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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So if I love to run, I should go run.
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You're saying that you love well, for a good example is uh strongmen.
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Okay.
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Right?
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If you like to do strongmen, go get good at strongman, but don't kind of put a square peg in a round hole and go, um, you know what, I absolutely hate going to the gym.
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Okay, so buy yourself a Peloton and do that at home.
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Just find what you'd love to do and get good at that.
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Okay.
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I mean, that makes sense, and I think we've always kind of skirted around that concept of a do something that you're gonna do more than once.
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I you know, the January 1 effect of I have to go in the gym and I feel self-conscious, and I really don't know what I'm doing, and this is not cool, and I spend too much money on this.
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And I I I could see where that's a lot of blockade between you and some sort of success.
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Um, all right, so I I found what I love.
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I I I found what I love.
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What do I do with it?
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Surround yourself with people who are better than you and hire yourself a coach.
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First of all, hire a coach who's gonna make you better, and then surround yourself with athletes who are better than you.
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That's easy for John.
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So when I was competing at CrossFit, I would drive an hour and a half down into Mississauga to compete and be around 22 to 28-year-olds who were regional level athletes, but way better than me.
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And they'd call me the old man and they'd make fun of me lovingly, right?
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But like surround yourself with people who are better.
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And they watched me fail hand-stand walk for literally two years.
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But they helped me, and I was always surrounded by people who could do it, and eventually I could do it where where it was like absolutely easy, but only because I surrounded myself with people who normalize what it is to be successful.
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Okay, how did you how did you find your quote unquote tribe?
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Let me jump in there real quick, Joe.
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Well, I want to make a point with what Bruce just said that surround yourself who normalize with people who normalize being successful.
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That's that tribe that we've talked about, and I know that's where your question was going, but that concept of normalizing being successful, I think too often it gets overlooked.
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And I love that you brought that up there.
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Yeah.
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So how did you find your normalized tribe?
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Was it it was in Tim Hortons, wasn't it?
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It was like two guys were doing wall balls in the corner, and you're like, I'm gonna need a double-double and a wall ball to go, please.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Ironically enough, ironically enough, my wife started in CrossFit first while I was doing adventure raking, and I I'm like, that's that's crazy.
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That's not like that's not for me.
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I can I can run and move for 24 hours.
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And she was going into this little garage gym, and I remember I had to pick her up once, and I'm wearing dress pants, I'm coming from work, and they're like, hey, Mr.
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Adventure Racer, come pick up this slosh pipe.
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Oh, slosh pipe.
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For people doing slosh pipe, what is it about an eight-foot pipe, half filled with water, and I watched them do it, and I'm like, all I thought was when I pick this up, I better engage every core muscle I've got so I don't drop this and look like an idiot.
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And I put it over my head, and they're like, oh my god, I can't believe you did that.
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That's crazy, right?
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You need to come back here.
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So I went back and I did a couple of workouts, and somebody pulled me aside and said, Do you know what?
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You can be really good at this, because I have that switch of this is uncomfortable, I get it, but I can just keep going.
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And that's what a lot of good crosswit athletes can do.
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I'm comfortable, not painful.
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Notice the difference.
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For everybody listening at home, because uh this needs to not get glossed over, a slosh pipe is probably the cheapest, easiest, most difficult thing you can do in your little home gym.
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Oh, yeah.
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Get a six, eight feet piece of PVC, fill it with some quantity of water.
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It might take a little calibration because too much water is just impossible.
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Throw it on your back, push it overhead, do something and walk with it.
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And you will learn every muscle in your trunk.
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Every every.
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It's an excellent exercise.
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And you're right.
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I I guess the fact that if if I saw you just like basically clean and press a slosh pipe, I'd be like, oh yeah, he's got some some talent.
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And your wife doesn't happen to be like Sarah Sigsman's daughter or anything like that, right?
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No, not not quite.
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Oh, okay.
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Because I was gonna ask you if you we could have her on the podcast or just she could stop by the house for coffee crisp or something, that would be fine.
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But I mean, Sarah was at my house yesterday, so oh I'll ask her if she's gonna be like, Oh, we made out damn it.
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Uh whatever.
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I think that you hit on another point here.
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And this is one that Eric Jensen brought up uh a couple months ago.
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Push till you're uncomfortable.
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Not painful, but you're uncomfortable.
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So normalizing success and step outside that comfort zone.
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And I suspect Bruce's like threshold for uncomfortable is probably naturally a little higher than yours, yes.
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Than mine.
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But it it sounds hopeful, but it sounds like that can be ameliorated to some point with some decent coaching.
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Exactly.
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And and safe coaching, right?
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Yeah.
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Early in my my career, I didn't have a good coach.
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Um, I got a lot of sloppy habits on cleaning jerks, like bending my arms too soon, I still do it because I I got successful doing it, but it capped out how heavy I could go.
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I could move medium weights really fast, which is great across fit, but when it came one rep max time, like I'm not there.
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No, I'm not the biggest guy either.
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So uh and then I hired a coach, uh Jamie Nugent, who uh absolutely changed everything.
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Yeah, I I I can see that.
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Especially I know plenty of coaches.
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I know some really, really high-level Olympic level coaches, and I know some dudes that coach because their kids are doing sports.
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And uh, you know, an average coach will get you so far, but they will create as much of a barrier to your success as anything else.
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A higher level coach can refine those edges and really pull out the pot the full potential of you.
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Well, they take your talent and take it to another level versus that average coach, like you're saying, where it's talent that gets you to a certain level.
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Yeah.
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Not to mention, I mean, an average coach will be nice to you, or I think a high-level coach will call you on your bullshit.
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We'll be honest with you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, this this coach was was ruthless, it's floodingly ruthless.
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I'll never forget I was doing a workout, and one of my nemesis in the gym and I were going, there was a whole bunch of people doing this workout at that when I'd go down on the Saturday.
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And he could see that I was beating and I backed off.
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And he threw a marker at me.
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You can dodge a marker, you can dodge a ball.
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Nice, good quote.
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Stop, stop me mid mid competition.
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Like it's just a workout, right?
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Right.
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He goes, it's no longer your competition.
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You have beaten him, he's not it.
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Your competition is in San Diego.
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Your competition is in Dallas.
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You don't know him, but it's not here, and you need to just go and compete against the 25-year-old.
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Like that's who you're chasing.
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Not beating the guy who's your age.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
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So that was a good switch for me.
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That sounds like one of those, one of those to take you to the next step kind of thing.
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So yeah.
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I think everybody's familiar with a skills coach, right?
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Like, you know, you hire a pitching coach for your kid, you know, you get a bowling coach to help you with your average.
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The concept of mindset coach is is actually fairly I mean, I I think I understand it, but it's fairly new to me.
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Um what do you do with your clients?
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I mean, we we sort of talked uh maybe a little too preemptively with the uh sort of the initial steps, but if I were if I retain you, how what does that look like?
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Um I'll get I'll get them to fill out a 20 question questionnaire at the first start.
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First of all, I would have a half hour conversation with you to find out what what you're looking for, even just the way we just want a phone call or FaceTime for half hour, and then I'd send you 20 questions, and in that four questions handed out a lot of like who's your best coach, who's your worst coach, what's your worst teaching, what you talk about family life?
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And 90% of the time, the reason why somebody's not achieving what they want is because of the people who are surrounding them.
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Oh, wow.
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So it's Scott's fault.
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I love this.
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Okay.
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It ain't Scott's fault because Scott's doing Scott's doing alright in his sport, dude.
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He's fine, whatever.
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If you're surrounding your people around yourself with people who say, what, you want to go to the cross again?
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That's crazy.
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What you want to make it to Kona and Iron Man?
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That's crazy.
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That maybe not be the person you want to be working out with very often.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I love that concept.
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Don't surround yourself with those people.
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All right.
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And I like that.
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And it's honestly that's what's helped propel me in in my chosen sport to you know to see a little bit of success is the people that I surround myself with.
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You know, as much as I am reticent to say it, reticent, including John, you know, who is sitting across the studio from me, you get the right people around you.
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Okay, so we've taken that step.
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What's next?
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I would start discussing what their goals are and breaking down their goals into is it a results goal or a process goal?
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And quite often people will say, I want to I want to finish an Iron Man or I want to be top ten image group in an Iron Man.
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Okay, that's a results goal.
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What process goal do you need to achieve to get there?
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Because the results goal you can't really control.
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You can't control if there's nine people better than you in the field or ten people better than you.
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But what you can control is how much training you do, what level of training, how much recovery, how much nutrition you're dialing in, how much rest and sleep you're dialing in as well.
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Those are goals that you can achieve.
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It'll help you towards your results goal.
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I absolutely love it.
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Does that make any sense?
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No, I love it.
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I think we're on board with that.
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That sounds amazing.
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I absolutely love that because John and I've got it.
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John and I have talked about goals in a few of our early shows, and then we've revisited a few times.
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And quite often, I think when we look at the results goal, you know, and in the process, we see it sort of as the stepping stone to get there.
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I don't know that we necessarily used the concept of results and process as goals.
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Yeah, I think I mean uh where my brain has been lately, and I think we did this in a recent podcast, is if if you're just goal-oriented, that that second attempt is gonna feel like you failed at the first attempt.
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If your process Oh, I'm sorry, I gotta speak Canadian.
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If your process related to it, sorry, you're welcome.
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I didn't I wanted you to be able to understand me.
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Um there's really no downside because it's always something to build upon, right?
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Like if you if you went to Kona to do the Iron Man and you finished 78th, well DFL.
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I I don't know.
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I I didn't win.
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I wanted to win.
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Why didn't I win?
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But you know, if you're if you're looking at your process and you're talking about like the things you said, sleep, diet, new, you know, uh training, uh, all the other factors, family factors, work factors, um you sort of have the roadmap to the next attempt, and you can build on it as opposed to starting from scratch.
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I love it.
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I I I think I'm all about mindset, Scott.
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I I just I and I put pun both intended and not intended, that's a whole new mindset for us.
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Yeah, oh my god, it absolutely is.
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Uh you know, thank you for reframing it.
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And I think again, be young coach, go on Instagram.
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I uh you know oh 100%.
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Just I mean, I have been uh a reasonably decent athlete for uh many years, and a bad athlete for a few years, too.
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And uh I never have like framed it like this.
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This is I this is genuine like gob snackness.
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I'm gonna have an epiphany.
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I have.
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That's what I've had.
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I've had an epiphany.
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Can I can I throw it?
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I don't know what our time is, but yeah, you're good.
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Can I work with on mindset?
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Oh, I think you broke up.
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You broke up there for a quick second.
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Yeah, whatever you can throw out another little mindset I work with.
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Yes, yes, definitely.
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Hey.
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Little voices in our head.
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Loud as can be.
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And I've seen this with athletes in their eyes, and I think we call it a negative automatic thought.
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I'll say, I don't know, let's say I think Bruce just drove under a moose.
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Bruce, I'm not sure if you can hear us, but we lost your bud.
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Are you there?
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We lost your ish.
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It's a moose.
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I think he's driving under a moose.
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Probably.
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Yeah, I hit a moose.
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Alright, there we go.
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That was a little bit better.
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Do you guys uh I'm gonna try and pull over?
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Oh, yeah or do you want to continue this later?
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No, no, no.
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Keep going.
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But if you want to pull over, pull over.
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If you don't, we'll we'll get by or we'll do it.
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It's a negative automatic thought.
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Okay.
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So people, when you ask them to do something like a rope climb or something that they don't think they can do, you can also you can even see it in their expression, and I call it a negative automatic thought or a gnat.
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And I think of a gnat as something that just eats away at your self-confidence.
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Nice.
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And what I work with on my athletes is to turn the gnat into pat positive automatic thought.
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I feel like I feel like I feel seen.
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I feel like Bruce has met me in a former life or something because I am natty by nature.
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Yeah.
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We all are.
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I did, John.
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John was trying to be cute, and yeah.
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John is not cute.
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Yeah.
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But you know, I got the natty that's right.
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I appreciate you.
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No, it's not nice.
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I don't know.
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If anybody's seen a picture of me, definitely natty.
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Yeah.
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We're the good guys.
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Uh, you know, 5'10 at$1.75.
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Oh, geez.
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:30.319
Yeah, you're uh you're in a different weight class than um every well compared to you.
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Well, yeah, you're a much different weight class than me.
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I'm six foot and three ten, so yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh my John just mooed at me.
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So I mean, are there specific positive thoughts that I should put in my head?
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Uh is it just is it person specific?
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Is do you have like a mantra?
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Should I just be like, shut up and do it in my head?
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Where where am I going with this?
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.000
So so let's take um let's take a deadlift, for example.
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Okay, or actually, um, yeah, let's take a deadlift because it's considered easy.
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Um as you as I approach the bar, first of all, when I'm writing things down on my whiteboard, I write the n and I get my athletes to do this as well.
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Write the number down before you lift it.
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Write the number of it's a reps?
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So so let's say I'm I'm going for 80% of five by five, whatever the number is, and and it's really getting heavy, I'll write the number on the whiteboard that I'm gonna do, like let's say it's 385, before I do it.
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Sending a signal to my brain and my body that this thing's done, versus some people do it afterwards.
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I am I am wired.
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I am wired incorrectly.
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I love that.
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You see, and I I'm the afterwards person.
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Yeah, me too.
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I write it down.
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I I typically keep a journal and we have a giant whiteboard in the gym, but yeah, it's always after.
00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:00.319
Always.
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.279
And whether it's a whiteboard or the journal, write it before.
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:03.839
Yeah.
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:04.960
No, yeah.
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:05.839
I love that.
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:16.799
I'm gonna And as I approach the lift, as I approach the lift, I literally say to myself, this is light, and I got this.
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.319
Scott, can I say lightweight baby right now?
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:20.960
Not right now.
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:21.279
Okay.
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:22.240
Yeah, go ahead.
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:23.119
No, I'll do it later.
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.160
Sunday you can say it.
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.519
Okay, I do it later.
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.880
Okay, fair enough.
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:32.160
That's just those are some things that I get my athletes to do.
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.240
Also, before an event, send it yourself.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:52.799
Like if you watch any of my events before a cross fit at the games, I literally, as I go, athletes stand by, I touch my hand to my chest, and the last thing I say before to myself before it's go time is I'm grateful for my family, and I go.
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:53.759
Jesus.
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.759
I I I need a mindset coach.
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.559
Everything you're saying is giving me shivers.
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:12.160
Like that's awesome because I am way at the other end of the spectrum on so many of these things before because before I compete in anything, usually I'm like the Tasmanian devil bouncing off the walls on nine energy drinks.
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:20.480
But what's funny is John will yell at me if I don't remember your steps, make sure, make sure you're in the right mind.
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.519
Dude, he he is the antithesis of do as I say, not as oh my god, I am.
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:26.960
Like in uh in all things.
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:31.039
He will call me before an event and say, you know, where's your head?
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.119
Yeah, do your steps, that type of thing.
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:33.680
Wow.
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.599
Wow, Bruce is my new best friend.
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:44.319
Like before before Candace did her Iron Man, she had a process, she had a mental process she was doing the night before.
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:51.599
She had a whole series of things that she had prepared leading up to the night before the the event.
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:54.319
I can't give away everything.
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:55.279
Yeah, don't give away everything.
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:55.920
No, no, no, no.
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:56.400
We don't want you to.
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.599
We don't at all.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:04.000
I I see, so I was a collegiate shot putter and hammer thrower, and especially in the hammer throw, it it it happens, right?
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.000
You get in the circle and it just happens.
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.320
So that's a very process-oriented thing.
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.519
Like everybody's got their bag, their shoes, the towel, the this, the that.
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.480
I get in, I look left, I you know, they really have that mentality.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.440
I'll play devil's advocate.
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:32.480
You center yourself, you put and then suddenly someone dumps the chalk bowl on you, and you become uncentered before you start.
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.840
Um, how do you recover from those sort of and they're not disastrous, but you know those slates.
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.880
It's it's raining, or you know, you you can't find your favorite, you know, peeper and jelly sandwich.
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:58.159
Okay, so this is a level that I would go to, and I hired uh Don Fletcher out of mentality, no, not mentality well, driven mind training, who helped me with a lot of this.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:03.840
But I would practice showing up to the gym without my lifting shoes.
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.440
I would practice showing up to the gym without my tape for my hands.
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.199
What?
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.559
Scott and I are both here just like jaws dropped.
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:14.800
Yeah.
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.639
Because shit happens.
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.000
Yeah, oh yeah, it does.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:18.880
Yeah, it does.
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:29.119
But I have never, I mean, I've been around all levels of athlete, and I've never ever heard anybody say, like, basically, practice the failure modes, right?
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.119
Like, I only have one strap.
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.119
Uh, I forgot my left shoe.
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:37.519
Uh any number of things that you think are critically important.
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:38.559
Oh my god.
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:39.599
Oh my god.
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:46.000
You know, I mean, I guess let me put a quick summary on what you know Bruce has shared with us thus far.
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.800
Surround yourself and normalize being successful.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.199
Amen.
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:49.840
Preach.
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.079
Normalize being uncomfortable.
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.079
You go by uncomfortable.
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:54.400
Yeah.
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.480
Stunning yourself.
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:02.320
Make sure that you are you're within your mind, that it's not all haywire crazy.
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.719
Make sure you've got some sort of a routine.
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:12.880
And I think this this last one that you just shared with us, Bruce, goes back to that, you know, being uncomfortable.
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.599
Practice, you know, something that's not gonna happen.
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.119
You know, I forgot this, I I I missed that, whatever happened.
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.079
And I think that goes back to that being uncomfortable thing.
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.119
I love it.
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.519
I'm a huge fan of that.
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.519
No, no, now, Bruce, does that mean that like that helps me?
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:40.639
And I don't really have them, but I mean like the the pre-event jitters, because I'm super prepared if I'm even prepared for failure states.
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:52.320
If you've done everything leading up that I work with my athletes, especially the week before from a mindset perspective, and the night before, you know that those jitters are gonna be there.
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:52.719
Yep.
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.519
And you know how to train them and you know how to talk to them.
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.119
Yeah, and you know how to deal with them.
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.239
That's amazing.
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.360
But they're going to be there and they're there for absolutely everybody.
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.159
Yeah.
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.000
Scott, we're competing this Friday at the Arnold Sports Festival.
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.360
I feel like we should have had this podcast about, I don't know, six months ago.
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.239
You think?
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.039
Damn it.
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.840
There's some things that we're we're definitely gonna practice.
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:14.639
I definitely am.
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:22.800
Bruce, just so you know that I will be the most centered Tasmanian devil with too much uh energy drinks in him that you've ever met.
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:23.920
But man, I love that.
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.159
I'm grateful for the ability to do it.
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:26.400
Yeah.
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.440
Oh, I love that.
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.159
I love that.
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:37.360
I mean, my two takeaways at this point are the the be centered and grateful and the practicing failure states, just that's that's a whole other level.
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.920
That's you know, we're playing checkers, Bruce is playing chess.
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.440
That's Bruce is playing 3D chess.
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.039
Yeah, you're you're from Buffalo, so you can you can relate to this.
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:54.079
I was training in a in a like a little compound warehouse, and there was it was February, which is you know, what February is like in Toronto.
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:54.639
Tropical.
00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:02.800
And the sun was coming down into Windows, and it was so bright, it was right in my eyes, and my coach goes, just move over to the left.
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:04.880
And I'm like, nope.
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:10.239
When I'm in California and the sun's beating down on me, I can't move to the left.
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.280
Damn.
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:12.800
Deal with it.
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.519
Yeah, it reminds me of the stories of Drunus Obiscus.
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.800
He's uh four-time world strongest man, just a phenomenal guy.
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.840
John and I have actually met him at uh the Arnold.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.000
He had the same mentality.
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:38.800
I'm not gonna turn the heat on in my gym, I'm not gonna have music playing, I'm gonna train in you know the hardest situations because I can't control what you know the arena, for lack of a better term, is going to look like.
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:39.760
Is it too hot?
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:40.480
Is it too cold?
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:41.360
Is it music playing?
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:42.400
Is it my type of music?
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.519
Is it classical music?
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.280
You know, is it whatever?
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.199
You can't control all those things.
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:59.679
So if you train harder and to failure in many instances, or with failure, uh you're going to be ready, you know, and and like Johnson, I've got some takeaways from this.
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.280
I've always been uh write my thing down after because I don't want to jinx myself, you know, that mentality.
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.519
But no, it's gonna be this is my success.
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:08.880
I will hit this number.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.280
Yeah, and I'm sitting there thinking how this is up.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.800
I mean, this is all applicable for us regardless.
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:27.360
But yeah, if you're running your first 5k, I think like training those failure states and and managing those jitters are probably as important as to your cardiovascular health.
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:33.119
I mean, it's it's it's definitely part of what's going to impede you from your best performance.
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.760
It's like a positive placebo effect.
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.119
Kinda, kinda.
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:48.639
But I mean, I think there's some I I think if I can go to my to whatever my endeavor is with in in that centering, tell myself I'm prepared.
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.400
Just I'm prepared.
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.480
Maybe I'm not as prepared.
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.679
Maybe I could be more prepared, but I am prepared.
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:06.000
So leading into the 2021 game, uh, they were in uh Wisconsin, which is similar weather to Ontario from a humidity standpoint and whatnot.
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:06.400
Yeah.
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:06.880
Okay.
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.559
I knew there was going to be a run event, and being my size, a run event is an opportunity for me.
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:13.199
Sure.
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:13.679
Right?
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:20.159
One rip max deadlift is just damage control, but a run event, that's an opportunity for a top three.
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:27.360
I would practice at high noon running on the pavement in the humidity in a weight vest.
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:36.239
2021, our first event, a 6k run on pavement at 11 45 a.m.
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.280
and it's 88 degrees out.
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:39.599
Oh.
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.960
Everybody's freaking out having oh, it's so goddamn hot.
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.400
And I'm like, this is easy.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:45.679
I'm not wearing 30 pounds.
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:46.800
This would be a piece of cake.
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:47.440
Yeah.
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:49.360
Second place.
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:50.159
That's nice.
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.119
That's outstanding.
00:40:51.199 --> 00:41:01.360
And again, that applies to uh I I I'm sorry, I'm usually a little more eloquent than this, but I am completely blown away by this training of failure states thing.
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.119
So let me propose this.
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:04.960
Propose.
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.000
Bruce has given us some truly like nuggets here.
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.000
Yeah, like world-bending nuggets.
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:21.280
So Bruce, if you're amenable to this, because I know you said you're you're on a little bit of a trip with your son and you pulled over for this, so we don't want to you know monopolize your time.
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.840
I'd like to do this if you're okay with it.
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.000
John and I have the Arnold championships coming up next week.
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:33.280
I've got the my national championships for um for strongman in June.
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:41.679
So we've got a few things coming up where we'd like to sort of work on some of the tips that you've offered and then get back with you and talk about them.
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.639
Are you okay with that?
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.000
Yeah, that'd be great.
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.239
Oh yeah, that that would be great.
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:52.320
And you know, I have one last question because you said you're going skiing with your son in the car.
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.559
Um, how hard is it to have you as a dad?
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:08.239
Because in my head, in my head, I'm sitting there, I'm playing Call of Duty, I am on the couch, I am close to I am uh Cheeto adjacent.
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:09.360
Cheeto adjacent.
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.400
And they're adjacent to a and I want to say, Dad, I I don't want to do that.
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:15.199
I can't do that.
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.199
I got excuse X, Y, and Z.
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.480
You you must be the like the worst, best dad on earth.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.360
Like, ew.
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.000
Do you want do you want my son to chime in here?
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:25.119
I absolutely do.
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.480
Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:28.960
Okay, Rob, this is my son Rob.
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:29.519
Take it away.
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:30.320
Hey Rob.
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:32.719
Hi, how are you doing?
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:38.960
Um, honestly, uh he's one of the best uh role models that I could ever have.
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:45.679
Throughout my life, I've had ups and downs, and him as the positive rock as he is, has helped me through a lot of it.
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:54.239
And uh although his I don't have his like hardcore mindset to like get his mind over these things.
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.000
Like he's of a like you said, he's a different species for sure.
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.800
But it's made me a better man to have somebody like that in my life for sure.
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.079
Well, Scott and I are both.
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:16.639
In Rob's defense, yeah, he takes his um um mindset concepts but applies it to music because he's a fantastic musician and a music producer as well.
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.599
Well, that that's awesome.
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:19.519
That's his that's his specialty.
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:24.239
That that's what I was trying to touch upon is that these principles apply in so many venues.
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.639
It's not one direction.
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:27.679
Yeah, not at all.
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:28.480
You got that?
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.599
I got oh one direction.
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:31.199
Oh, sorry, I was a little slow on the update.
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:44.800
Yeah, but you know, Bruce, uh I applaud you because Scott and I are both parents, and to have have one of your miserable sucking all your money children like all I don't know.
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.400
Rob, I will smack him for you.
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:46.960
Don't worry.
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:47.440
Don't worry.
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:48.960
Say such amazing things.
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:50.079
I mean, that's the goal.
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:50.800
That's the goal.
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.960
So it's good that you just wants me to buy the listing.
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:54.079
I know, I know.
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.159
I wasn't gonna point out the fact that dad's paying for the weekend, but you know, whatever.
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:59.840
At least he at least he understands that concept.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.559
Concept too.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:01.039
That's fine.
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:03.760
Bruce, this was brilliant.
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:04.159
Yeah.
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.920
I mean, this was there.
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:13.280
I've grown with the concept throughout my life that if I can take one thing from everybody, it's a success.
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.880
I've taken way more than one thing from everyone.
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:17.360
Absolutely.
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:18.320
Absolutely.
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:19.599
This was incredible.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.519
And we we we say it often, we reserve the right to uh ask you to come back.
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.800
Well, I'm going to double reserve the right to bring you back.
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:27.760
This is incredible.
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:33.199
And just so you know, and you know, if your ears are burning, uh, we have about an eight-hour drive to this competition.
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.199
I know I'm not going to shut up about the discussions we've had.
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:38.559
So thank you ever for.
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:39.840
Okay, well, good.
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.079
You're very welcome.
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.360
Should we let him like go get a double double and get back on the road?
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.800
Well, double double and wall ball.
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.320
Fun fact, I've never had a coffee in my life.
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:50.800
What?
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:51.280
Amen.
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.000
That's not a that is not a fun fact, you weirdos.
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.559
That is that is an incredible fact.
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.559
No, I drink caffeine by the gallons, but not coffee.
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.039
I I will smash beyond Diet Coke, though.
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:03.440
Okay.
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:03.920
Amen.
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.000
Do you have a do you have a vice, Bruce?
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:11.280
Like, is there a food, a drink, uh something that uh you sort of allow yourself?
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:16.960
I'm a 27 27-year um recovering alcoholic, so I haven't touched anything.
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:17.360
Amen.
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.599
Literally, my only vice is Diet Coke and uh and a bit of an adrenaline junkie.
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:22.719
Oh, yeah, obviously.
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.159
Yeah, obviously.
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.559
Well, Bruce, I really appreciate your time.
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.719
Thanks for bringing us along on your ride.
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.039
Uh, thanks to your son for the guest appearance.
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:34.000
We're gonna pay him, we're gonna pay him as much as we paid you.
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.360
And uh and uh good luck skiing.
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:38.880
Try to stay uh upright.
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:39.840
Definitely.
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.199
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