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Speaker 1: All right, best time of the week, Emma Jo Morris is here. You know her from The Marlowe Show, as well as her consulting work at Beckenstone. And Emma Jo NYC on the Everything app, where she does a great job, famous for the laptop from HealthScoop, among other things.
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Speaker 2: Emma, we got a lot of fun ones today. I try to keep the fun ones for you.
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Speaker 1: I think I sit on them, I reserve them, and then we talk about them together. But one that I have been talking about this week, I'm just dying for your take. So my audience knows my take on all this stuff. But What do you make of the Jane Ho phenomenon? What do you make of the timing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know that our takes are too fun because I'll find myself like catching strays on the Marlo podcast during the week. Like I'm listening and all of a sudden it's like, yeah, like according to Emma Jo, like Lindsay Clancy is mid and I'm like, ah.
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Speaker 4: It's great.
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Speaker 2: It's a great line. It's a great line. It's a great line.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, who's going to disagree? I sometimes catch shade.
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Speaker 1: But Emma's theory on that, I don't want to do drive-bys also for people who are just tuning in or maybe only listen to our shows. Emma has a point that she thinks that if you're too good-looking, then you're not going to get the robust offense that Lindsay Clancy had. I think the fact that Lindsay Clancy is kind of normal-looking, she's not particularly bad-looking, she's just normal-looking, and I think that's That's what, that is, I think, something that gets other women to support you.
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Speaker 2: If you're too good looking, other women resent you for that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. You're perfectly non-threatening.
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Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy is like the perfectly non-threatening character for these hordes of women who are too fragile to operate in a more sophisticated way than that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, so, no, but look, we have fun.
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Speaker 3: We have fun, and sometimes it gets a little too fun, and it's cited in ways to spice up some more episodes, and I'm glad for that.
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Speaker 1: So the Jane Ho phenomenon, there's so many, just like the Clancy thing, it is one of these things where there's something that is very positive for me about it. I think this is going to be a huge moment for the university system for people to come to terms with.
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Speaker 2: No one should go to these schools.
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Speaker 1: I had a pretty viral clip of, for me, it was tons of engagements on thousands of retweets and 10,000 plus likes on it where I pointed out that if all this is true, then you would never send your daughters or sons because the daughters would get raped or if it's all false, you would never send your sons because the sons would get falsely accused. So this is really a huge moment, I think in the positive in that sense, but it's just still dark that we're still, as we're recording and we're recording this on Friday, the ninth, it's, there's still protests on behalf of Jane Ho as if she didn't love the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: She dug it. She was way into it.
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Speaker 1: She was texting days later, our bodies, our choice. She was inviting a couple of the guys to do it again, to run it back, to run back the gang bang.
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Speaker 2: That's her exact language.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally.
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Speaker 3: And I mean, even, even if she hadn't done all of those things after the fact, uh, and, and been texting like heart emojis and stuff to her alleged partner, rapist. And by the way, the conversation that came out was apparently with the worst, the allegedly worst among the guys.
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Speaker 4: She was like kiki-ing with him in the days following.
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Speaker 3: But even if all of that hadn't happened, if you look at the context of the situation itself, she was snorting ketamine off of Like, I mean, I can't even describe what she was doing because it's not appropriate for a public conversation and a.
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Speaker 4: Family show.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: All of our episodes are very family friendly. We have a lot of family content coming up.
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Speaker 3: This is a rated Alex Marlowe show rated R on the weekends.
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Speaker 2: You know what is fun, though?
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Speaker 1: So on Spotify, there's a little block that has an E in it.
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Speaker 2: For explicit.
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Speaker 1: And, um, it's, it's fun because my kids keep an eye on it because I don't do the baby music, uh, with my kids.
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Speaker 2: I don't do the kids bop. I don't do any of that.
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Speaker 1: Um, I think there's plenty of stuff that is, uh, either elite music that has no bad words in it, or you can find the clean versions of pop music and pop popular music. And I think that's totally fine. I'm not going to listen to Alvin and the Chipmunks or kids singing Taylor Swift songs.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
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Speaker 5: I will.
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Speaker 2: I refuse. I would refuse over my dead body.
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Speaker 1: So the kids see sometimes if the Spotify is doing the algorithm thing where it's bringing up just whatever is the next song and it throws the E block.
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Speaker 4: On the screen. And they know not to listen. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The kids alert me that this is not, this is bad, dad. Dad, you change it.
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Speaker 1: And so sometimes our episodes, Emma, it's sometimes my show in general, but sometimes our episodes.
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Speaker 4: You get the e-block.
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Speaker 2: Our episodes get the e on Spotify.
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Speaker 1: We get the e on Spotify sometimes, which I do find fun.
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Speaker 3: No, this is going to be like one of those things where you have to have a parent come and unlock your, and yeah, no, I mean, if I were to get into what this woman was doing, and by the way, she's not a girl.
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Speaker 4: She's a woman, which I think is an important distinction to make in this conversation.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, so, so, she's snorting drugs off of these guys bodies and having group sex with them in the first place, which is what she had asked for and invited to happen in the first.
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Speaker 4: Place when she was sober. So, um, so then like, if we're, if we're all being real adults, um, which we can't be.
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Speaker 3: And, and I guess is probably the meta point about all of this. It's, consent isn't in real life someone saying okay i'm gonna touch you here now is that okay with you because that's utterly unsexy and nobody does that um so so she was setting up this whole thing and then when it escalates obviously at any point and and this is true at any point you could say hey i'm not cool with what's going on can we like tone it down or can we back off of this but if you're setting it up that way and then things escalate and at no point do you say, I'm not cool with what's going on, can we tone it down? Then I don't understand how anyone is at fault for engaging in what she had set up. And I think that this is kind of the problem that we keep coming into with feminism and with this strange version of adulthood that our society now has identified is like on the one hand we're like we're like everyone needs to have maximum rights and and everything is about your rights and they're making up new rights by the day but then at the same time there is no maturity or responsibility that comes with those rights and the nature of rights is that you have to bear them responsibly because otherwise everything falls apart, which is what we're watching. And Camille Paglia, I hate to always bring her up. Like she's on my rabbi or whatever, but she makes good points in this respect specifically. And then this was actually probably her, her like landmark thought. which is you can't have it both ways. And upper middle class women will ruin feminism if for the reason that they literally can't handle it.
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Speaker 4: They just can't handle it. They don't have the maturity and the wherewithal to have all of these freedoms. Because if you're a baby, you need somebody to control your behavior and in your environment. And if you're an adult, that's when you get freedom.
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Speaker 3: But you can't be a baby with unlimited freedom. And if you're going to act like a baby, the freedom is going to crash on your head. And that's where we are. Like, that's where we are. I'm sorry, but in any other circumstance, and, you know, River Page, actually, from the Free Press, who I love, and he's such a smart guy, and I know him in person, and he's really interesting. He has a really interesting background. Highly recommend everybody go and read his columns at the Free Press. But River is a gay guy, and he was giving his take on this. He gave a long take on Twitter where he basically was like, you know, Guys engaging with guys know that if they're walking into a sketchy sex situation and they know they are, they do things to anticipate the fact that they're doing that because they want to protect themselves and be aware of what they're doing.
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Speaker 4: So why? whether it be sharing their location with a friend or at least going in being honest about what they're doing with their night, you know, and acting accordingly or bracing themselves accordingly. You know, they do that because they're coming in with full awareness of reality of what they're engaging in. But these women somehow don't have the same like thought or character to do that.
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Speaker 3: And And, you know, it makes me wonder about this. Like, have we just convinced women that sex is meaningless? When it inevitably isn't because it's impossible to be. Certainly for a woman, it's impossible. for sex to be meaningless anyone who says that they are having a meaningless sexual encounter i'm sorry it's 100 of the time a lie it's 100 of the time a lie you know this is turning into a psychology of women podcast some sometimes and And I can tell you that it is a lie. There is no such thing as casual sex for a woman. And so, you know, maybe she goes in with the idea about that.
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Speaker 4: And as it turns out, it's not true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something that it does bring up a lot of questions that I don't really have to deal with on a personal level. My last first date, six days before my, I guess it was eight days before my 18th birthday. So that was a, it's not something, I'm glad I missed this part of society, but the constant discussion of consent, I understand that it's well-meaning, but it sounds like the least sexy thing you could ever do.
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Speaker 4: Do.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking of the nuances of it, not the blanket. I kind of get the blanket, like, hey, is it cool that we're going for it? And then you get the thumbs up or the nod. Like, okay, that I get. But then when do you have to check in on the consent? Because not everything's fair game all the time for any couple if you've been together for 20 minutes or 20 years. And so it's like, when does that come up again? And then can you accuse someone because you were willing to engage in a recently but not today and then they went for it and then they botched it.
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Speaker 2: It's so awkward and uncomfortable anyway.
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Speaker 4: That's just what it's turning into. That's what it's turning into. And by the way, if you take sex.
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Speaker 3: Seriously, you're ostensibly engaging in it with somebody who you take seriously. And if you're with somebody who you respect and hopefully respects you back, you know, I mean, I can't even believe we're having this conversation. This feels like too weird for public conversation.
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Speaker 2: I felt this for two weeks. You can talk to each other.
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Speaker 4: While you're together, and that's what, like, mature people do. Yes. Like, what are we talking about?
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Speaker 3: Like, when in real life would somebody stop what they're doing and say, as the situation is escalating, and say, hold on.
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Speaker 4: So this is what I'm thinking.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, no. Like you're kind of just together. And if something is getting a little too hot, you say like, this is getting a little too hot. We need to like maybe turn it down.
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Speaker 3: And that's how like two adults like communicating like works. I mean, this feels just bizarre to be talking about, but the feminists are, This is the thing about feminism that really gets me is on the one hand, it's all about, and we talked about this, I think maybe on our last show that was two weeks ago. On the one hand, it's like a free for all, you know, women can do anything. Women can be as raunchy as anybody. They're exactly like men. Everything is fine. Don't judge anybody for anything ever. And then on the other hand, they're completely sterile in the way that they actually think about sex and the way that they actually approach sex. And all of a sudden, you know, It's like a woman is barely an adult and like she can barely speak. And like, you know, she's at the whims of like her big, scary male partner or whatever. And you can't have it both ways. This is the lock that feminism has walked into is you get one.
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Speaker 4: You have to choose one.
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Speaker 3: Are women full agents or are they delicate flowers that need constant protection?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, look up the essay, The Right to be Raped. It will make all of this make much more sense. Camille Paglia, total genius, writes about this in depth and in eloquence and elegance about.
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Speaker 4: How, you know, Can I tell you— Women need to keep their thoughts for their safety, and that's how they become equal.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple of potential things here. I'm trying to draw big conclusions. The small conclusions are this is all a big hoax and everyone involved is gross. But the first one, and there's several here, but the first one is will we learn the lessons that part of the problem is that this is just a natural— when we're starting, whenever we decided we'd follow the hippies into the sexual revolution, Is this the inevitable end place for this where we're going to do everything to make loveless sex, impersonal sex that is so normative in the culture that we're all.
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Speaker 2: Just going to be repulsed by each other?
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Speaker 1: Because this is one thing that I've always wondered because all the people involved here are so repulsive and they're repulsive forever. I don't know how you could be involved in something like this and it's be appealing as a spouse. And isn't that ultimately the goal is family formation? And if you had ever gone on a date with a person, male or female, and heard they were involved in this at a younger age, what percent of the population is repulsed by that?
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Speaker 2: It's got to be pretty high.
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Speaker 1: And if it's not super high, then that's kind of weird too. And I just feel like we're doing all these things to push ourselves further away from.
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Speaker 2: The ideal of monogamous relationships.
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Speaker 1: Marriage as the main vehicle for sexual activity and exploration and that is not that bad if that's the case like how far are we going to push it in the other direction.
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Speaker 4: Well i think we're we're at a fork and and there's there's two ways that this goes it's either that way and and what i would add to to that to that like black pill scenario is that people become so used to um and their tastes get shaped by this like really like vile and like raunchy and like extreme.
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Speaker 3: Version of sex that they struggle to have like normal relationships or they freak out people who aren't, you know, part of that scene and aren't involved in that. And I think porn also plays a big role in that.
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Speaker 2: Of course it does.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's that road where like the extreme sex that's like emerging as like totally normal by like, feminism and also porn and uh changing changing norms and only fans you know that happens and it like totally turns people off and makes it impossible uh for for them to have like real like healthy relationships or there's like the clear pill path where we basically reconstruct marriage from like first principles so somebody like starts to think you know hey um I'm either if they're a woman, they're like, I'm terrified of being taken advantage of. I'm terrified of getting walked into something by somebody who I don't trust or who I'm not comfortable with.
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Speaker 4: Um, Therefore, I can't engage in sex frivolously.
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Speaker 3: And men, you know, saying, I am terrified of being with a woman who I don't trust. And then her turning around and saying I raped her or her not being comfortable to tell me what she actually wants and is cool with. And then she feels like she was raped and then turns around and said that I raped her. And so what they end up doing is they find someone who they trust and love and sleep only with them.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: Why does that feel like that's the radical concept, though, now?
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Speaker 4: They're going to just arrive at marriage from first principles.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is a point I've made in other contexts, Emma, with you and on the shows, is that we took tolerance too far. It's the, it's the, I'm totally tolerant of people, particularly gay men, but, but particularly I'm tolerant of people who want to have a lot of partners. I think a lot of people are wired, wired that way, particularly gay men are wired that way. But a lot of most straight men I think are wired similarly and I'm tolerant of it. But is it the ideal? Is it the, and of course this is where it's going to go. And then you've got all these people. I note this because this is a protest. I saw this one, the turning point accounts. that took place this was last night so on so we're a good two weeks into this.
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Speaker 2: Saga check this out emma.
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Speaker 3: No means no.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a pretty good, I mean, there's probably going to be a couple hundred people in this thing, younger people. It says justice for Jane Doe and the signs and they're chanting no means no. She said more guys. She didn't say no means no. She said, bring it on. She said, let's do another rail of horse off some other guy's junk. Like she wasn't saying that no means no.
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Speaker 2: That wasn't in the equation here.
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Speaker 1: And so they all bought in this lie, which has been shared a billion times on TikTok.
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Speaker 2: And it's the whole hashtag, I am Jane Doe stuff.
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Speaker 1: Are you really into, even if you're pro-sexual liberation, are you really into doing drugs and getting gangbanged by a bunch of frat bros?
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Speaker 2: Is that you? Is that who you are? Or are we all just too dumb to think?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's... It's so it's just this is all fake. This is literally all fake.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, like, I guess if you want to like snort ketamine and like have sex with five guys at the same time, which was what like the original setup was and like the sixth was where she said, well, I don't know how I feel about this. Or actually, she didn't say that, but decided that after the fact retroactively. But anyway, you know, if that's what you're down for, then like, that's fine. But what these people are doing is actually perpetuating this problem because it's not necessarily the encounter. It's the perceived reward. for coming and calling it rape. Two years later.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. That's right. And so let me ask about the last point, which is two years later. Do you have a theory on why now, why this is coming out? Because I was starting to play with a live show today, which you would have heard. But could it potentially be election related? Could it be something like that? I mean, do you see any logic to why this is happening right now?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, no. I mean, I don't know. I mean, did they— like, the DNC— that would require the DNC, like, rustling up this girl and being like, wasn't it traumatic what happened to you two years ago that we found out? I don't know how.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't—I'm not— I don't know, like, where this is coming from. It's—I don't know. I don't know the answer to the question.
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Speaker 1: What do you— do you feel like we've covered the waterfront here, or is there more— that we need to talk about in this saga, because it's going on. I mean, it's broken contained, as the expression goes. It's out there. There's no debunking that's going to slow this thing down.
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Speaker 2: It's a freight train.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, everything that could possibly be debunked, including the fact that this girl lifts, like, 250 pounds.
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Speaker 4: Did you see that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I haven't gone to the effort to try to confirm if this is who everyone speculates it is, but I did— play along with the idea, did flirt with the idea on air that the idea that she was on steroids, I think, is unbelievable. That's my favorite of the conspiracies by far.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, if this could have been debunked any further, she also is like a heavy weightlifter. And could probably match up against some of the guys that she was apparently, like, raped by. But, you know, look, I mean, yeah, no, the thing is, this isn't about the facts of the case, and this isn't about the details. This isn't even about rape as you and I understand it, as it's always been defined. This is about some sort of, like, third or, like, now, like, fourth wave feminism that isn't about equality at all it's about toxic femininity you know we've also discussed this on previous podcasts where it was oh yeah you played a clip of Obama and he was like if women ran the world like there would be like no problems and like we would all live in peace and And I called out how that is sort of dehumanizing in that it doesn't allow women any evil tendencies, which is part of being, like, human and a person with, like, a full psychology and a full spectrum of agency. And so there's this convenient ignoring that's going on of, like, the possibility that women, you know, could do really evil things and perhaps even really violent things, maybe not physically violent, but nonetheless. And And there's this effort now to try to shroud, like, I don't want to, like, what's the opposite of chauvinism? But shroud, like, female supremacy in this idea that women can do no wrong and they're constantly a victim. And in doing so, you're, like, smuggling in the matriarchy. The matriarchy, by the way, isn't a place that I necessarily.
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Speaker 4: Want to live.
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Speaker 2: No, no, the long, the long house, the long houses we've discussed on the show.
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Speaker 1: No, the, um, no, but this is what's so important here is to understand that you can be the, the alpha in your life.
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Speaker 2: You can have control in your life.
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Speaker 1: And, um, you know, it's, it's uncomfortable to talk about this stuff, especially personal stuff, but you know, and Mrs.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Marlowe is, uh, she's easy on the eyes, so to speak. And she has not had to deal with, uh, a lot of serial harassment and, uh, It's a, God bless it, and I hope it sustains itself, and it's not a guarantee, but she does not put out vibes that would indicate she's a target. She carries herself like, I am not a good target for you. And I think any predator would move on to a different target. And we need to be teaching our girls, and we have collectively four between the two of us, that you can be beautiful, you can even be sexual without being a target.
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Speaker 2: There's a way to do that. And we have none of that discussion.
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Speaker 1: It's just that Jane Ho's a victim after taking down seven guys in the same night.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And that really is the irony. And trying to, like, like, just make this into the simplest possible like TikTok like retard brain conversation you're actually taking away the real conversation which is are there things that women can do to not uh you know and we've discussed some of them just today and that's another one is check your.
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Speaker 1: Vibe yes right What are you putting out there to the world? And are you confident that what you're putting out there.
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Speaker 4: Is keeping you safe? And that is real, by the way. That is totally real. And women know it.
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Speaker 3: And we're not allowed to say it because it's like, I guess, victim blaming when it goes wrong.
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Speaker 4: But guess what?
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Speaker 3: A lot of women use that vibe and it goes right. So, you know, but you're not allowed to actually talk about that either because women can do no wrong.
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Speaker 4: But of course, women use their sexuality and a vibe in order to extract things that they want out of the world. Totally.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like we're just having such, we have to bring up all this rudimentary stuff now that is better unsaid, but it can't be unsaid now because we can't handle it. We can't handle basic stuff because we're all acting like retards in the information era.
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Speaker 2: We've all gotten so retarded. Let me give you an example.
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Speaker 1: This is a professor at NYU, a guy named Scott Galloway, who alternates between saying smart stuff and then the most retarded stuff on the whole internet at any given moment.
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Speaker 2: Here is one of the retarded ones. Play this one.
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Speaker 6: Exhibit one of how sexist this nation is Tell me, tell me, if Hillary Clinton had a penis and balls, she wouldn't be President Clinton. I mean, it's just.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, back to your book.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I'm a gel.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton became the Democratic nominee, if we have a long enough memory for this conversation. She became the Democratic nominee because she was a woman. Bernie Sanders was owning her. Bernie Sanders was totally owning her, but the Democratic Party decided that it was herstory. And they just kind of found a way to catapult her, as we learned in the WikiLeaks emails from the DNC. They found a way to catapult her ahead completely unfairly. And it was strictly because she was a woman. She got preferential treatment for that. It wasn't because she, that was the only thing she had going for her. And it was what all the cerebral rails songs or whatever were about and the stans and the simps. It was literally just because she was a woman. There was absolutely nothing remarkable about Hillary Clinton. She was literally a garden variety neoliberal globalist who She could be replaced by anyone. And she, in fact, was replaced by anyone. And his name was Joe Biden. The next go around who had the exact same ideology and the exact same vibe and the exact same plan and the policies and staff. It was literally just because she was a woman in a suit and they thought it was like cutesy.
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Speaker 4: And like we were doing this now. It was like a moment, you know, as they say.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when they did the Javits Center?
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Speaker 1: You remember when they did the Javits Center for election night? Because it literally had a glass ceiling.
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Speaker 2: So she's going to break the glass ceiling.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: It was this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Theatrical thing that they were going to do because it like was sounded cool and the only reason it sounded cool was because she was a woman this whole thing was like a not a dei exercise because hillary did have like you know some chops or whatever and she had been in politics for a long time and she was tough and like you have to give all of that to her but in terms of like the the.
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Speaker 4: Uh uh inspiration there the inspiration was just that she was a woman Totally right.
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Speaker 1: And I 100% agree. I think if she had a penis and balls, then she would have made as far as she did. And I think specifically because she lacked the penis and balls.
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Speaker 2: But I like when.
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Speaker 1: Guys say this, Emma, because it just flags who I'm not going to follow. Or if they're my personal life, I'm not going to be grabbing a beer with them after the ball game.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
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Speaker 4: IQ test, totally.
00:28:25
Speaker 2: It really is. It's like how I always said this.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: I love the last 10% of mask wearers during the pandemic because it's just a sense of message that These are the people you don't want to talk to at the kids' soccer game. It's like, I'm just going to ignore this person because they're wearing this stupid, unscientific mask. But I caught a really funny one. Pete Davidson, the alleged comic who has never made anyone laugh in his life, not even a single time, but he's allegedly a comic and dates a lot of actresses and stuff. He went through a long tattoo removal process.
00:28:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:28:59
Speaker 2: And he.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: Left his Hillary Clinton tattoo that he had. He had a really hideous Hillary Clinton tattoo. And he was asked about it by a variety report or variety magazine. And he said, she stays. That's my dog. I love Hillary, man. She's awesome and a good friend. And I just, it's the gayest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. The single gayest thing.
00:29:23
Speaker 3: What and like what like like hope she sees this bro like not Hillary but the.
00:29:28
Speaker 4: Woman who he was simping for when he did that was it.
00:29:31
Speaker 3: The Ariana Grande era uh yeah that's pathetic um brutal and you know that I mean we know this because his life is completely public but whatever girl that was for ultimately left him which is the only ending for a move like that.
00:29:48
Speaker 1: It's just wild that's absolutely absolutely wild uh it just how long are we going to do this thing where we need this pete davidson in our life like it's the it's the i no one should harm pete davidson Don't take me out of context, but we keep doing this thing with the most mediocre celebrities of all time.
00:30:05
Speaker 2: Let's take a New York. So let's go to Mamdani.
00:30:07
Speaker 1: It feels like Mamdani is finally getting the left is pushing back on him.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Obviously, anyone who likes Israel and the Jews at all doesn't like him very much. But I don't know.
00:30:17
Speaker 1: I see his TikTok numbers. Seems like people like what he's doing overall. But he was getting heckled quite a bit. I got a little footage. Let's see if this is any good.
00:30:23
Speaker 2: Check this out. Thank you.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: So you can see this in the footage. It's not coming through if you're just listening to the show. We do try to provide visual elements. Those of you who are inclined to check it out on YouTube, Rumble, etc. But these are pro-Palestinian people. So he's not sufficiently Islamist, even though he is a.
00:31:07
Speaker 2: Ugandan Muslim.
00:31:09
Speaker 1: And he's here, even though he's in the United States running the city that was the site of the 9-11 terrorist attacks. You know, 25 years hence, but not radical enough.
00:31:22
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
00:31:23
Speaker 3: Don't forget going to October 7th dinner at a Palestinian restaurant that was, like, named after.
00:31:31
Speaker 4: Some, like, war crime or something. Anyway, look, like.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: It's a real shocker that the people who support Hamas don't think that Mamdani is radical enough for them. But that's what happens when you pander to the most extreme element of your base.
00:31:51
Speaker 4: Nothing is ever good.
00:31:52
Speaker 3: Enough, even like the disgusting example that I just cited, which was obviously a huge middle finger, let alone that revolting tweet that he published. on October 7th, where he gave, like, if the audience hasn't seen it, I'll sum it up for you quickly. He gave, like, four words being like, yeah, October 7th sucked. And then he goes on to write, like, this, like, screed about the war crimes and genocide that Israel has committed in the years after that, which obviously is a lie, but nonetheless, he published it in disgusting fashion. But yeah, no, not good enough for the Hamas people in a shocking turn of events, but you'd almost think that, like, he hired these people to make him look sane.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is an interesting point, that it does, maybe it is a good political move.
00:32:48
Speaker 4: Like, I don't think he did.
00:32:49
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah. But if he had.
00:32:53
Speaker 2: See, the people can see my facial expressions.
00:32:56
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see that I'm not coming in hot with the takes on this one because I'm trying to understand like maybe this is a good thing for him if people think that he's not radical enough. But he did, I mean, he ate at a Palestinian restaurant on October the 7th and it was named after, you noted, a girl who was killed in Gaza City. It's all so performative as always, but it's very aggressive. It's very aggressive that he, remember, the quote of the year is still Abdul El-Said saying, October 7th was hurt people hurting people. That is literally the rapes and the murders. It was only because the Hamas terrorists were hurt.
00:33:33
Speaker 2: They'd been hurt.
00:33:34
Speaker 1: So meaning all those innocent families that were completely destroyed, all those hostages taken, all the murders and the maiming and the rapes, all that was totally legit in the eyes of a guy who is on the verge of becoming a senator. Truly crazy that's happening in this country right now.
00:33:49
Speaker 3: Vile yeah no absolutely but this is a you know a cohort and it's not necessarily their religion because if you look to the clip that you just played uh i don't think that the people in that crowd were muslim necessarily it's uh it's a cohort of of people with a unacceptable ideology and it is an unacceptable ideology and I won't go into the maybe the McCarthy stuff should be revisited talk on this podcast but it really does make you think because what.
00:34:22
Speaker 4: Are we doing?
00:34:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing?
00:34:26
Speaker 1: And that's where I get curious about how is the multicultural experiment going? Because I don't think it's going very well. This is what's going on in Minnesota right now. This is a local news report about what's going on with the Somalians who are not just committing fraud, but they're also doing a lot of gang violence.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: Check this out, Emma.
00:34:45
Speaker 7: So we have spent a lot of time lately talking about gun violence across the Twin Cities, and police are now saying the handfuls that have happened in the West Metro have some connections.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: Chime in, go ahead.
00:34:56
Speaker 4: It's just like, what is this newscaster? It's very, whatever, leftist.
00:35:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's becoming a big, this person's becoming a big star.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: I'm seeing her pop up. So I'd say she's becoming a character.
00:35:07
Speaker 1: I'll properly introduce the audience in a second, but let's play a little more before I do that.
00:35:14
Speaker 4: Some connections.
00:35:15
Speaker 7: I'm talking about the shooting on the basketball courts at Our Lady of Grace in Edina and the shooting at the Eden Prairie football game and a couple more shootings at Eden Prairie in Bloomington. Some of these, police say, are the work of gangs. And the members of those gangs, they say, are Somali American teens and young adults. But when some people just say Somali gangs, that leaves a mark on hundreds of thousands of Somali people who have nothing to do with gangs or these shootings. And we have to talk about that. So Heidi has been looking at where those lines are starting to get blurred and the issues it's causing.
00:35:52
Speaker 1: So then she goes on to talk about how— The real victims.
00:35:54
Speaker 4: Of the Somali shootings are the innocent Somalis.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:35:59
Speaker 1: And they're all victims of stereotyping. So it's like, we've miscast. We've overdone it. And so this is the whole point, is that we import these people in the country, and within a generation or less, that they're already just creating all sorts of violence, and they're committing fraud, the Medicare fraud, all that stuff, the leering centers. The Somalis are on a generationally bad run right now in this country, and so I will note that. But when you've got these liberal white women rushing in their defense, what's going on here?
00:36:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually listening to your show, was it yesterday? And I was like, oh, he's tripping into noticing, like if anyone follows Steve Saylor on the podcast.
00:36:42
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, of course. Any audience.
00:36:44
Speaker 3: That's called noticing where you're like, I don't think it's all people from Somalia, but there is a percentage that is a higher percentage than in other demographics who are committing crimes.
00:37:01
Speaker 2: Good. I got to do it.
00:37:02
Speaker 3: Good.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: And people can hear that. I listened back to that segment.
00:37:06
Speaker 1: I was not as articulate as I could have been in that segment, partially because it's so tough to talk about this stuff.
00:37:10
Speaker 2: But it's a real fact.
00:37:11
Speaker 3: You were hedging because we get emotionally blackmailed out of noticing.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: It's time to start talking about the stuff. It's time to start talking about the multicultural experiment, how it's failing. It's failing.
00:37:22
Speaker 2: It's failing.
00:37:23
Speaker 1: And I'll say this again, and there's a nice little segue here, but I'll say this again, is the, you know, I don't want any secular liberal whites from Canada either. So it's like there are other demographics I don't like. It's not just the brown-skinned peoples. And I like many of the brown-skinned peoples significantly more than the liberal white secular Europeans and Canadians. But the point is, is that we got to start looking numbers here because it's not going well.
00:37:48
Speaker 2: Are we all in agreement here? Whatever we're trying is not optimized.
00:37:52
Speaker 3: And by the way, all the Steve Saylor stuff is, which, like, you know, we're kind of doing right now, is just saying that there are, like, cultures have tendencies for certain things and because of underlying beliefs about the way things work. And, like, you know, you're always kind of doing this big throat clearing exercise or hedging what you're saying so much that you've diluted yourself to the point of saying nothing. But, like, I think it's just common sense that in other places in the world, like, you know, things are run.
00:38:29
Speaker 4: Like, sometimes, like, in sectarian, like, for instance, in Somalia is a good example.
00:38:33
Speaker 3: There's, like, there's these sects of groups of people and power is really, like, wielded kind of illegitimately.
00:38:41
Speaker 4: It's, like, power by force. And so.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: The way that you have to operate in those societies is often in gray areas or in black market areas because it's not a fair environment for competition and resources. So, you know, there's mentalities that are incubated in these places that are not the same as.
00:39:00
Speaker 4: In the U.S.
00:39:01
Speaker 3: Where, like, you know, you do have a pretty much fair playing field and you can compete legitimately. But when you come from a place where, like, illegitimate means of acquiring things is normal— then that's what you think is normal. And that has nothing to do with anyone's race. And, you know, and then, like, yeah, in Canada, look, it's a socialist country. There's a lot of people in the Nordic countries and Europe who also are socialists, and they spit on the floor... at a lot of the customs that in among Protestant Americans are totally normal and actually make the country in many ways have the characteristics that it has. But those people also don't like fit in a lot of ways or they do things very differently. This is all very basic stuff, but Somehow you're always bullied into feeling guilty for saying it because, like, they also have different races sometimes when you're noticing suboptimal characteristics for our culture.
00:39:59
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not so over it. Yeah, like, there's more violence in Africa.
00:40:05
Speaker 3: So when you bring a lot of people from Africa, they're used to having violent interactions.
00:40:10
Speaker 4: Like, sorry, but yeah, it's fine. Yeah.
00:40:14
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a swing at the Canadians for a second, because only fair, because we're equal opportunity offenders here. So the Canadians right now, their economy is losing jobs. They lost 68,000 jobs in September, and the unemployment rate has jumped up to 6.5%.
00:40:33
Speaker 2: Except in Alberta.
00:40:33
Speaker 4: Yeah. Alberta has been doing better, but go on.
00:40:39
Speaker 1: Okay, but they had two straight months of losses, and a lot of it's because of the trade war that Mark Carney's picked with Trump because he sees it as politically advantageous. That's why he's doing it. I got a cut of Trump talking about it, and then Emma, as my New York and Canadian correspondent, we'll get you to weigh in.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: Here you go.
00:40:55
Speaker 5: Canada's been ripping off our country for many, many years, tremendously ripping off. They've been charging tremendous tariffs, one-way tariffs, 400% on dairy products and other things. They're not ripping us off. We don't need Canada for anything. You know, they do 95% of their business with us. We do very little with them by comparison. And Canada has been very difficult to deal with. And I think we're doing very well with Canada. Canada would like to make a deal, but we're not satisfied with it. Canada's been, we've been losing on average 80 to $ 90 billion a year with Canada in order for them to trade with us. Why are we doing that? That's, you know, it goes back to the thing I said before about whether it's Switzerland or another country, we're losing $ 90 billion a year doing business with Canada. Why? We want to make our own cars. We don't want them to make ours for us because if they make a car, We're not making a car. We don't need them to make cars, et cetera, et cetera. It's a long story, but they've been ripping us. Canada has been ripping us off for many, many years, and they're not going to rip us off anymore. Thank you very much, everybody.
00:42:07
Speaker 2: Thank you. Emma Jo, your thoughts?
00:42:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's totally right.
00:42:11
Speaker 3: And he's addressing something that is maybe uncomfortable to talk about now, but actually was always pretty much just like accepted common knowledge, which is in the post-war era, There was some sort of, I guess, understanding that America would sort of stand up these smaller, culturally similar or friendly economies and countries because it helped proliferate shared values. And that was like this... implicit agreement that we all had. And that's the source of a lot of anger in Canada. It's like, wait, wait a second. You're supposed to be our ally. You're supposed to be our big brother. And what do they mean by that? They mean we have a smaller and less productive country than you. We have basically similar values, apparently on paper, although we could talk about all the ways that that is totally not true, and it's not true certainly in the last 10 years. But you're supposed to give us a ride on your coattails. And what do you mean now you want it to be fair? But that's exactly right. And that was always, by the way, not controversial, that the United States takes a haircut because there is like some sort of due that they have to a country like Canada and to England and to Europe to pay to.
00:43:41
Speaker 4: Keep them more prosperous at Americans' expense.
00:43:45
Speaker 3: And all Trump is doing is saying that and then saying, I don't want to do that anymore. I'm not cool with this arrangement anymore. And I want to renegotiate the arrangement to make it more fair. But to say that, like, no, things were totally fair and Trump is just being mean, like, no, no, we had all agreed that that was what we were doing. Trump is just taking his right and his leverage to say, I don't want to take the haircut anymore for your good.
00:44:13
Speaker 4: America first.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: Emma, I got one more, and I don't have enough time for this to get the full fleshing out of this story, but the GQ's got an article that caught my eye. It said, My Second Child is Perfect. He Ruined My Life by some person named Zach Barron, who I was unfamiliar with.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: It was a compelling title, and I.
00:44:35
Speaker 1: Know that I have an occasional co-host on the show who just had a second child. Do you consider your second child perfect in ruining your life? Did you get a chance to look at this article, and what did you think of it?
00:44:47
Speaker 3: Yeah um this is like so interesting uh because it was like a little more like deeper and more like like psychologically sophisticated than your average i hate my kid article that comes out every once in a while uh but like it's it's a strange thing because you're reading it and he is listing off all of the kind of mundane facts and things that come up when you have two kids yeah and um but but he's describing them all as like negative. And he even goes to some deeper points and acknowledges them, which is like, for instance, he talks about ego death. And like, I know for myself, like that was something that, that was a term that I used that I felt when I was pregnant, because for me personally, I put a lot of my personal identity into my, what I've like my productivity and like what I do, like what I physically do and like my work and like how hard I work and my performance. And, you know, and I'm sure, you know, fathers have this experience in other ways. But when I was pregnant, like there was this thing the size of a peanut that was like wiping me out at two in the afternoon. And I didn't feel like I could push myself anymore. And then she was the size of an avocado and I couldn't bend down. And all of the things that, or some things that I didn't even realize I staked like my identity on in a way were being taken away from me. And I used the term ego death at the time to describe that feeling. But then at the same time, part of that conversation in my own mind was like, Growth. This is like your growth. Like this is you entering into a stage that is completely foreign and completely new to.
00:46:38
Speaker 4: Your life prior.
00:46:39
Speaker 3: And you're going to come out of this a different person and you got to like roll with it and let it transform you and let yourself become stronger and perhaps even redefined.
00:46:51
Speaker 4: Through that experience. And, and so, you know, this guy.
00:46:56
Speaker 3: Is like talking about this stuff in a quite sophisticated way, but then he is deducing that it's like not good. Like he's talking about basically the whole article is about how a second kid takes you completely away from being the person that you were before and how having one kid is more similar to having no kids than it is to having two kids. because of how drastically it changes you and your life. But then what he concludes from that is that that sucks. And it's exactly, first of all, it's exactly the wrong take because it doesn't suck.
00:47:34
Speaker 4: You're going through a transformation.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: Let yourself be transformed by that and transcend whatever you were before that day. But aside from that, you know what's sad about it is, as I was talking about this recently, you know, life is, this is my take, life is, is not the birthdays and the anniversaries and the vacations. I mean, you have those things happen every year or whatever, and they're fun and they're special, but it's not, life is not the special fun things. Life is a collection of mundane things and that's your life um it's it's regular days it's walking through your door every evening and greeting your wife or your kids it's um you know uh going to work and plugging away at your computer it's right and not phone calls and you know if you if you dismiss all of that as boring and mundane and that's your perspective on those things and you only live for the fun times you are um squandering the life that you have what the correct take is is those mundane things when you have like multiple kids crying and you're like dying and you haven't slept in three days and you have a call at seven in the morning the next day um you know is to say to yourself um what a privilege this is a privilege because what is underneath all of that and why is all that happening is because you get the profound experience of being completely relied on by somebody who loves you in a way that is.
00:49:11
Speaker 4: Like, you're their whole world. And that's like, if you think about it, a real honor.
00:49:16
Speaker 3: And what that looks like is having like snot on your, shirt and being exhausted and not wanting to do anything.
00:49:25
Speaker 4: And, and, and, and then one day it's gone. And, and, and how did you experience it when it was there?
00:49:33
Speaker 2: Totally.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:49:35
Speaker 1: I just, my experience, take away there's some big ideas in here that i don't totally disagree with but overall i feel like this just indulgence of you're not supposed to grow up and have a family and have children is i find it to be very anti-human um i feel like i've got to do more in my career than the most people and i've got to travel cool places because of that and be get to know important people and And there's nothing even close to anything I've done in my career that's as meaningful as raising children. And I just feel like that we, I think we all started from that premise.
00:50:14
Speaker 2: Very recently. And then now we do all these magazine pieces. I'm like, well, maybe, is it really better? Is it really better?
00:50:20
Speaker 1: Like, even though the kids, it can be a total pain. And I've got twice as many as this guy's got. And some of the days are really challenging and they're draining and you don't have any free time anymore.
00:50:28
Speaker 2: But what are you really doing with the free time? Was it that great?
00:50:31
Speaker 1: Or is it better to raise children, raise, human beings, raise Americans to raise, for my case, raise Christian Americans.
00:50:37
Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that's a, I love that. I savor it.
00:50:40
Speaker 1: And I just don't know, just we do all this time. We're just showing our own heads all the time.
00:50:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:50:45
Speaker 3: Well, that's, that's, and that's the thing that gets lost in all of this, which is at a certain point, like, in your early thirties, like you've kind of done everything.
00:50:55
Speaker 4: And there's not much that is new to you.
00:51:00
Speaker 3: But what you can do to excite yourself is have kids and then watch them learn and discover everything through their eyes. And, and there's such amazement and wonder in the world if you do that. And, and, The alternative is to cling to the years that are in your past and try to still be 25.
00:51:25
Speaker 4: And I mean, if nothing else, it looks so bad. It looks so bad.
00:51:32
Speaker 3: If you look at the people who have this arrested development, it's like you feel bad for them. They think they're having a blast, maybe. But, you know, I heard this quote. I think it's a Jerry Springer quote. God, the biggest blessing that God does is not letting childless people know what they're missing.
00:51:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that quote.
00:51:55
Speaker 1: I forget who said it, but it is true is that they don't totally get it. But what's getting odd to me is that what's new is that this effort to try to not to try to persuade people to not have kids or to make them be bummed out about their kids, which is just.
00:52:08
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:52:09
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
00:52:10
Speaker 1: I don't relate to it. I think it's bad overall, but I do like your assessment and analysis. Emma, I'm out of time, unfortunately. I could do more time with you, but I got to go pick up three of the four kids right now.
00:52:19
Speaker 2: So that's where I'm running off to.
00:52:20
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to be with you. Follow Emma Jo NYC on the Everything app. If you need her consulting services, Beck and Stone is her consultancy. You should go over there as well. Anything else I can share with you or any final words for the audience for the day?
00:52:33
Speaker 4: Oh, go get your kids.
00:52:36
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them.
00:52:37
Speaker 1: I'm going to get them all. And then I'm going to tell them and they ruin my life, but they're perfect. You're in the middle of a podcast. I just cut my podcast short for you. How is podcasting?
00:52:48
Speaker 2: Okay, bye Emma. Thank you.
00:52:51
Speaker 3: Thank you.
00:52:51
Speaker 2: Oh, and thanks Misty for putting this together. Go in peace, do love and serve the Lord.
Speaker 1: All right, best time of the week, Emma Jo Morris is here. You know her from The Marlowe Show, as well as her consulting work at Beckenstone. And Emma Jo NYC on the Everything app, where she does a great job, famous for the laptop from HealthScoop, among other things.
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Speaker 2: Emma, we got a lot of fun ones today. I try to keep the fun ones for you.
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Speaker 1: I think I sit on them, I reserve them, and then we talk about them together. But one that I have been talking about this week, I'm just dying for your take. So my audience knows my take on all this stuff. But What do you make of the Jane Ho phenomenon? What do you make of the timing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I know that our takes are too fun because I'll find myself like catching strays on the Marlo podcast during the week. Like I'm listening and all of a sudden it's like, yeah, like according to Emma Jo, like Lindsay Clancy is mid and I'm like, ah.
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Speaker 4: It's great.
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Speaker 2: It's a great line. It's a great line. It's a great line.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, who's going to disagree? I sometimes catch shade.
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Speaker 1: But Emma's theory on that, I don't want to do drive-bys also for people who are just tuning in or maybe only listen to our shows. Emma has a point that she thinks that if you're too good-looking, then you're not going to get the robust offense that Lindsay Clancy had. I think the fact that Lindsay Clancy is kind of normal-looking, she's not particularly bad-looking, she's just normal-looking, and I think that's That's what, that is, I think, something that gets other women to support you.
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Speaker 2: If you're too good looking, other women resent you for that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. You're perfectly non-threatening.
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Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy is like the perfectly non-threatening character for these hordes of women who are too fragile to operate in a more sophisticated way than that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, so, no, but look, we have fun.
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Speaker 3: We have fun, and sometimes it gets a little too fun, and it's cited in ways to spice up some more episodes, and I'm glad for that.
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Speaker 1: So the Jane Ho phenomenon, there's so many, just like the Clancy thing, it is one of these things where there's something that is very positive for me about it. I think this is going to be a huge moment for the university system for people to come to terms with.
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Speaker 2: No one should go to these schools.
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Speaker 1: I had a pretty viral clip of, for me, it was tons of engagements on thousands of retweets and 10,000 plus likes on it where I pointed out that if all this is true, then you would never send your daughters or sons because the daughters would get raped or if it's all false, you would never send your sons because the sons would get falsely accused. So this is really a huge moment, I think in the positive in that sense, but it's just still dark that we're still, as we're recording and we're recording this on Friday, the ninth, it's, there's still protests on behalf of Jane Ho as if she didn't love the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: She dug it. She was way into it.
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Speaker 1: She was texting days later, our bodies, our choice. She was inviting a couple of the guys to do it again, to run it back, to run back the gang bang.
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Speaker 2: That's her exact language.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally.
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Speaker 3: And I mean, even, even if she hadn't done all of those things after the fact, uh, and, and been texting like heart emojis and stuff to her alleged partner, rapist. And by the way, the conversation that came out was apparently with the worst, the allegedly worst among the guys.
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Speaker 4: She was like kiki-ing with him in the days following.
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Speaker 3: But even if all of that hadn't happened, if you look at the context of the situation itself, she was snorting ketamine off of Like, I mean, I can't even describe what she was doing because it's not appropriate for a public conversation and a.
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Speaker 4: Family show.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: All of our episodes are very family friendly. We have a lot of family content coming up.
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Speaker 3: This is a rated Alex Marlowe show rated R on the weekends.
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Speaker 2: You know what is fun, though?
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Speaker 1: So on Spotify, there's a little block that has an E in it.
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Speaker 2: For explicit.
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Speaker 1: And, um, it's, it's fun because my kids keep an eye on it because I don't do the baby music, uh, with my kids.
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Speaker 2: I don't do the kids bop. I don't do any of that.
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Speaker 1: Um, I think there's plenty of stuff that is, uh, either elite music that has no bad words in it, or you can find the clean versions of pop music and pop popular music. And I think that's totally fine. I'm not going to listen to Alvin and the Chipmunks or kids singing Taylor Swift songs.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
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Speaker 5: I will.
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Speaker 2: I refuse. I would refuse over my dead body.
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Speaker 1: So the kids see sometimes if the Spotify is doing the algorithm thing where it's bringing up just whatever is the next song and it throws the E block.
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Speaker 4: On the screen. And they know not to listen. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The kids alert me that this is not, this is bad, dad. Dad, you change it.
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Speaker 1: And so sometimes our episodes, Emma, it's sometimes my show in general, but sometimes our episodes.
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Speaker 4: You get the e-block.
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Speaker 2: Our episodes get the e on Spotify.
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Speaker 1: We get the e on Spotify sometimes, which I do find fun.
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Speaker 3: No, this is going to be like one of those things where you have to have a parent come and unlock your, and yeah, no, I mean, if I were to get into what this woman was doing, and by the way, she's not a girl.
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Speaker 4: She's a woman, which I think is an important distinction to make in this conversation.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, so, so, she's snorting drugs off of these guys bodies and having group sex with them in the first place, which is what she had asked for and invited to happen in the first.
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Speaker 4: Place when she was sober. So, um, so then like, if we're, if we're all being real adults, um, which we can't be.
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Speaker 3: And, and I guess is probably the meta point about all of this. It's, consent isn't in real life someone saying okay i'm gonna touch you here now is that okay with you because that's utterly unsexy and nobody does that um so so she was setting up this whole thing and then when it escalates obviously at any point and and this is true at any point you could say hey i'm not cool with what's going on can we like tone it down or can we back off of this but if you're setting it up that way and then things escalate and at no point do you say, I'm not cool with what's going on, can we tone it down? Then I don't understand how anyone is at fault for engaging in what she had set up. And I think that this is kind of the problem that we keep coming into with feminism and with this strange version of adulthood that our society now has identified is like on the one hand we're like we're like everyone needs to have maximum rights and and everything is about your rights and they're making up new rights by the day but then at the same time there is no maturity or responsibility that comes with those rights and the nature of rights is that you have to bear them responsibly because otherwise everything falls apart, which is what we're watching. And Camille Paglia, I hate to always bring her up. Like she's on my rabbi or whatever, but she makes good points in this respect specifically. And then this was actually probably her, her like landmark thought. which is you can't have it both ways. And upper middle class women will ruin feminism if for the reason that they literally can't handle it.
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Speaker 4: They just can't handle it. They don't have the maturity and the wherewithal to have all of these freedoms. Because if you're a baby, you need somebody to control your behavior and in your environment. And if you're an adult, that's when you get freedom.
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Speaker 3: But you can't be a baby with unlimited freedom. And if you're going to act like a baby, the freedom is going to crash on your head. And that's where we are. Like, that's where we are. I'm sorry, but in any other circumstance, and, you know, River Page, actually, from the Free Press, who I love, and he's such a smart guy, and I know him in person, and he's really interesting. He has a really interesting background. Highly recommend everybody go and read his columns at the Free Press. But River is a gay guy, and he was giving his take on this. He gave a long take on Twitter where he basically was like, you know, Guys engaging with guys know that if they're walking into a sketchy sex situation and they know they are, they do things to anticipate the fact that they're doing that because they want to protect themselves and be aware of what they're doing.
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Speaker 4: So why? whether it be sharing their location with a friend or at least going in being honest about what they're doing with their night, you know, and acting accordingly or bracing themselves accordingly. You know, they do that because they're coming in with full awareness of reality of what they're engaging in. But these women somehow don't have the same like thought or character to do that.
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Speaker 3: And And, you know, it makes me wonder about this. Like, have we just convinced women that sex is meaningless? When it inevitably isn't because it's impossible to be. Certainly for a woman, it's impossible. for sex to be meaningless anyone who says that they are having a meaningless sexual encounter i'm sorry it's 100 of the time a lie it's 100 of the time a lie you know this is turning into a psychology of women podcast some sometimes and And I can tell you that it is a lie. There is no such thing as casual sex for a woman. And so, you know, maybe she goes in with the idea about that.
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Speaker 4: And as it turns out, it's not true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something that it does bring up a lot of questions that I don't really have to deal with on a personal level. My last first date, six days before my, I guess it was eight days before my 18th birthday. So that was a, it's not something, I'm glad I missed this part of society, but the constant discussion of consent, I understand that it's well-meaning, but it sounds like the least sexy thing you could ever do.
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Speaker 4: Do.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking of the nuances of it, not the blanket. I kind of get the blanket, like, hey, is it cool that we're going for it? And then you get the thumbs up or the nod. Like, okay, that I get. But then when do you have to check in on the consent? Because not everything's fair game all the time for any couple if you've been together for 20 minutes or 20 years. And so it's like, when does that come up again? And then can you accuse someone because you were willing to engage in a recently but not today and then they went for it and then they botched it.
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Speaker 2: It's so awkward and uncomfortable anyway.
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Speaker 4: That's just what it's turning into. That's what it's turning into. And by the way, if you take sex.
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Speaker 3: Seriously, you're ostensibly engaging in it with somebody who you take seriously. And if you're with somebody who you respect and hopefully respects you back, you know, I mean, I can't even believe we're having this conversation. This feels like too weird for public conversation.
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Speaker 2: I felt this for two weeks. You can talk to each other.
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Speaker 4: While you're together, and that's what, like, mature people do. Yes. Like, what are we talking about?
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Speaker 3: Like, when in real life would somebody stop what they're doing and say, as the situation is escalating, and say, hold on.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: So this is what I'm thinking.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, no. Like you're kind of just together. And if something is getting a little too hot, you say like, this is getting a little too hot. We need to like maybe turn it down.
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Speaker 3: And that's how like two adults like communicating like works. I mean, this feels just bizarre to be talking about, but the feminists are, This is the thing about feminism that really gets me is on the one hand, it's all about, and we talked about this, I think maybe on our last show that was two weeks ago. On the one hand, it's like a free for all, you know, women can do anything. Women can be as raunchy as anybody. They're exactly like men. Everything is fine. Don't judge anybody for anything ever. And then on the other hand, they're completely sterile in the way that they actually think about sex and the way that they actually approach sex. And all of a sudden, you know, It's like a woman is barely an adult and like she can barely speak. And like, you know, she's at the whims of like her big, scary male partner or whatever. And you can't have it both ways. This is the lock that feminism has walked into is you get one.
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Speaker 4: You have to choose one.
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Speaker 3: Are women full agents or are they delicate flowers that need constant protection?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, look up the essay, The Right to be Raped. It will make all of this make much more sense. Camille Paglia, total genius, writes about this in depth and in eloquence and elegance about.
00:13:46
Speaker 4: How, you know, Can I tell you— Women need to keep their thoughts for their safety, and that's how they become equal.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple of potential things here. I'm trying to draw big conclusions. The small conclusions are this is all a big hoax and everyone involved is gross. But the first one, and there's several here, but the first one is will we learn the lessons that part of the problem is that this is just a natural— when we're starting, whenever we decided we'd follow the hippies into the sexual revolution, Is this the inevitable end place for this where we're going to do everything to make loveless sex, impersonal sex that is so normative in the culture that we're all.
00:14:33
Speaker 2: Just going to be repulsed by each other?
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Speaker 1: Because this is one thing that I've always wondered because all the people involved here are so repulsive and they're repulsive forever. I don't know how you could be involved in something like this and it's be appealing as a spouse. And isn't that ultimately the goal is family formation? And if you had ever gone on a date with a person, male or female, and heard they were involved in this at a younger age, what percent of the population is repulsed by that?
00:15:00
Speaker 2: It's got to be pretty high.
00:15:01
Speaker 1: And if it's not super high, then that's kind of weird too. And I just feel like we're doing all these things to push ourselves further away from.
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Speaker 2: The ideal of monogamous relationships.
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Speaker 1: Marriage as the main vehicle for sexual activity and exploration and that is not that bad if that's the case like how far are we going to push it in the other direction.
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Speaker 4: Well i think we're we're at a fork and and there's there's two ways that this goes it's either that way and and what i would add to to that to that like black pill scenario is that people become so used to um and their tastes get shaped by this like really like vile and like raunchy and like extreme.
00:15:51
Speaker 3: Version of sex that they struggle to have like normal relationships or they freak out people who aren't, you know, part of that scene and aren't involved in that. And I think porn also plays a big role in that.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: Of course it does.
00:16:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's that road where like the extreme sex that's like emerging as like totally normal by like, feminism and also porn and uh changing changing norms and only fans you know that happens and it like totally turns people off and makes it impossible uh for for them to have like real like healthy relationships or there's like the clear pill path where we basically reconstruct marriage from like first principles so somebody like starts to think you know hey um I'm either if they're a woman, they're like, I'm terrified of being taken advantage of. I'm terrified of getting walked into something by somebody who I don't trust or who I'm not comfortable with.
00:16:49
Speaker 4: Um, Therefore, I can't engage in sex frivolously.
00:16:52
Speaker 3: And men, you know, saying, I am terrified of being with a woman who I don't trust. And then her turning around and saying I raped her or her not being comfortable to tell me what she actually wants and is cool with. And then she feels like she was raped and then turns around and said that I raped her. And so what they end up doing is they find someone who they trust and love and sleep only with them.
00:17:21
Speaker 2: I know.
00:17:22
Speaker 1: Why does that feel like that's the radical concept, though, now?
00:17:27
Speaker 4: They're going to just arrive at marriage from first principles.
00:17:31
Speaker 1: Well, this is a point I've made in other contexts, Emma, with you and on the shows, is that we took tolerance too far. It's the, it's the, I'm totally tolerant of people, particularly gay men, but, but particularly I'm tolerant of people who want to have a lot of partners. I think a lot of people are wired, wired that way, particularly gay men are wired that way. But a lot of most straight men I think are wired similarly and I'm tolerant of it. But is it the ideal? Is it the, and of course this is where it's going to go. And then you've got all these people. I note this because this is a protest. I saw this one, the turning point accounts. that took place this was last night so on so we're a good two weeks into this.
00:18:09
Speaker 2: Saga check this out emma.
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Speaker 3: No means no.
00:18:25
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a pretty good, I mean, there's probably going to be a couple hundred people in this thing, younger people. It says justice for Jane Doe and the signs and they're chanting no means no. She said more guys. She didn't say no means no. She said, bring it on. She said, let's do another rail of horse off some other guy's junk. Like she wasn't saying that no means no.
00:18:45
Speaker 2: That wasn't in the equation here.
00:18:47
Speaker 1: And so they all bought in this lie, which has been shared a billion times on TikTok.
00:18:52
Speaker 2: And it's the whole hashtag, I am Jane Doe stuff.
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Speaker 1: Are you really into, even if you're pro-sexual liberation, are you really into doing drugs and getting gangbanged by a bunch of frat bros?
00:19:05
Speaker 2: Is that you? Is that who you are? Or are we all just too dumb to think?
00:19:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's... It's so it's just this is all fake. This is literally all fake.
00:19:16
Speaker 3: And by the way, like, I guess if you want to like snort ketamine and like have sex with five guys at the same time, which was what like the original setup was and like the sixth was where she said, well, I don't know how I feel about this. Or actually, she didn't say that, but decided that after the fact retroactively. But anyway, you know, if that's what you're down for, then like, that's fine. But what these people are doing is actually perpetuating this problem because it's not necessarily the encounter. It's the perceived reward. for coming and calling it rape. Two years later.
00:19:53
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. That's right. And so let me ask about the last point, which is two years later. Do you have a theory on why now, why this is coming out? Because I was starting to play with a live show today, which you would have heard. But could it potentially be election related? Could it be something like that? I mean, do you see any logic to why this is happening right now?
00:20:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, no. I mean, I don't know. I mean, did they— like, the DNC— that would require the DNC, like, rustling up this girl and being like, wasn't it traumatic what happened to you two years ago that we found out? I don't know how.
00:20:25
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't—I'm not— I don't know, like, where this is coming from. It's—I don't know. I don't know the answer to the question.
00:20:36
Speaker 1: What do you— do you feel like we've covered the waterfront here, or is there more— that we need to talk about in this saga, because it's going on. I mean, it's broken contained, as the expression goes. It's out there. There's no debunking that's going to slow this thing down.
00:20:52
Speaker 2: It's a freight train.
00:20:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's right.
00:20:54
Speaker 3: I mean, everything that could possibly be debunked, including the fact that this girl lifts, like, 250 pounds.
00:20:59
Speaker 4: Did you see that?
00:21:02
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: I haven't gone to the effort to try to confirm if this is who everyone speculates it is, but I did— play along with the idea, did flirt with the idea on air that the idea that she was on steroids, I think, is unbelievable. That's my favorite of the conspiracies by far.
00:21:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, if this could have been debunked any further, she also is like a heavy weightlifter. And could probably match up against some of the guys that she was apparently, like, raped by. But, you know, look, I mean, yeah, no, the thing is, this isn't about the facts of the case, and this isn't about the details. This isn't even about rape as you and I understand it, as it's always been defined. This is about some sort of, like, third or, like, now, like, fourth wave feminism that isn't about equality at all it's about toxic femininity you know we've also discussed this on previous podcasts where it was oh yeah you played a clip of Obama and he was like if women ran the world like there would be like no problems and like we would all live in peace and And I called out how that is sort of dehumanizing in that it doesn't allow women any evil tendencies, which is part of being, like, human and a person with, like, a full psychology and a full spectrum of agency. And so there's this convenient ignoring that's going on of, like, the possibility that women, you know, could do really evil things and perhaps even really violent things, maybe not physically violent, but nonetheless. And And there's this effort now to try to shroud, like, I don't want to, like, what's the opposite of chauvinism? But shroud, like, female supremacy in this idea that women can do no wrong and they're constantly a victim. And in doing so, you're, like, smuggling in the matriarchy. The matriarchy, by the way, isn't a place that I necessarily.
00:23:13
Speaker 4: Want to live.
00:23:15
Speaker 2: No, no, the long, the long house, the long houses we've discussed on the show.
00:23:18
Speaker 1: No, the, um, no, but this is what's so important here is to understand that you can be the, the alpha in your life.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: You can have control in your life.
00:23:29
Speaker 1: And, um, you know, it's, it's uncomfortable to talk about this stuff, especially personal stuff, but you know, and Mrs.
00:23:35
Speaker 2: Dr.
00:23:35
Speaker 1: Marlowe is, uh, she's easy on the eyes, so to speak. And she has not had to deal with, uh, a lot of serial harassment and, uh, It's a, God bless it, and I hope it sustains itself, and it's not a guarantee, but she does not put out vibes that would indicate she's a target. She carries herself like, I am not a good target for you. And I think any predator would move on to a different target. And we need to be teaching our girls, and we have collectively four between the two of us, that you can be beautiful, you can even be sexual without being a target.
00:24:14
Speaker 2: There's a way to do that. And we have none of that discussion.
00:24:18
Speaker 1: It's just that Jane Ho's a victim after taking down seven guys in the same night.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly.
00:24:24
Speaker 3: And that really is the irony. And trying to, like, like, just make this into the simplest possible like TikTok like retard brain conversation you're actually taking away the real conversation which is are there things that women can do to not uh you know and we've discussed some of them just today and that's another one is check your.
00:24:51
Speaker 1: Vibe yes right What are you putting out there to the world? And are you confident that what you're putting out there.
00:24:57
Speaker 4: Is keeping you safe? And that is real, by the way. That is totally real. And women know it.
00:25:01
Speaker 3: And we're not allowed to say it because it's like, I guess, victim blaming when it goes wrong.
00:25:06
Speaker 4: But guess what?
00:25:07
Speaker 3: A lot of women use that vibe and it goes right. So, you know, but you're not allowed to actually talk about that either because women can do no wrong.
00:25:15
Speaker 4: But of course, women use their sexuality and a vibe in order to extract things that they want out of the world. Totally.
00:25:24
Speaker 1: But I feel like we're just having such, we have to bring up all this rudimentary stuff now that is better unsaid, but it can't be unsaid now because we can't handle it. We can't handle basic stuff because we're all acting like retards in the information era.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: We've all gotten so retarded. Let me give you an example.
00:25:39
Speaker 1: This is a professor at NYU, a guy named Scott Galloway, who alternates between saying smart stuff and then the most retarded stuff on the whole internet at any given moment.
00:25:48
Speaker 2: Here is one of the retarded ones. Play this one.
00:25:50
Speaker 6: Exhibit one of how sexist this nation is Tell me, tell me, if Hillary Clinton had a penis and balls, she wouldn't be President Clinton. I mean, it's just.
00:26:09
Speaker 2: Anyway, back to your book.
00:26:11
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: I'm a gel.
00:26:12
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:26:15
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton became the Democratic nominee, if we have a long enough memory for this conversation. She became the Democratic nominee because she was a woman. Bernie Sanders was owning her. Bernie Sanders was totally owning her, but the Democratic Party decided that it was herstory. And they just kind of found a way to catapult her, as we learned in the WikiLeaks emails from the DNC. They found a way to catapult her ahead completely unfairly. And it was strictly because she was a woman. She got preferential treatment for that. It wasn't because she, that was the only thing she had going for her. And it was what all the cerebral rails songs or whatever were about and the stans and the simps. It was literally just because she was a woman. There was absolutely nothing remarkable about Hillary Clinton. She was literally a garden variety neoliberal globalist who She could be replaced by anyone. And she, in fact, was replaced by anyone. And his name was Joe Biden. The next go around who had the exact same ideology and the exact same vibe and the exact same plan and the policies and staff. It was literally just because she was a woman in a suit and they thought it was like cutesy.
00:27:20
Speaker 4: And like we were doing this now. It was like a moment, you know, as they say.
00:27:25
Speaker 2: Do you remember when they did the Javits Center?
00:27:27
Speaker 1: You remember when they did the Javits Center for election night? Because it literally had a glass ceiling.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: So she's going to break the glass ceiling.
00:27:36
Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: It was this whole thing.
00:27:38
Speaker 3: Theatrical thing that they were going to do because it like was sounded cool and the only reason it sounded cool was because she was a woman this whole thing was like a not a dei exercise because hillary did have like you know some chops or whatever and she had been in politics for a long time and she was tough and like you have to give all of that to her but in terms of like the the.
00:28:00
Speaker 4: Uh uh inspiration there the inspiration was just that she was a woman Totally right.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: And I 100% agree. I think if she had a penis and balls, then she would have made as far as she did. And I think specifically because she lacked the penis and balls.
00:28:15
Speaker 2: But I like when.
00:28:16
Speaker 1: Guys say this, Emma, because it just flags who I'm not going to follow. Or if they're my personal life, I'm not going to be grabbing a beer with them after the ball game.
00:28:23
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.
00:28:24
Speaker 4: IQ test, totally.
00:28:25
Speaker 2: It really is. It's like how I always said this.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: I love the last 10% of mask wearers during the pandemic because it's just a sense of message that These are the people you don't want to talk to at the kids' soccer game. It's like, I'm just going to ignore this person because they're wearing this stupid, unscientific mask. But I caught a really funny one. Pete Davidson, the alleged comic who has never made anyone laugh in his life, not even a single time, but he's allegedly a comic and dates a lot of actresses and stuff. He went through a long tattoo removal process.
00:28:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:28:59
Speaker 2: And he.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: Left his Hillary Clinton tattoo that he had. He had a really hideous Hillary Clinton tattoo. And he was asked about it by a variety report or variety magazine. And he said, she stays. That's my dog. I love Hillary, man. She's awesome and a good friend. And I just, it's the gayest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. The single gayest thing.
00:29:23
Speaker 3: What and like what like like hope she sees this bro like not Hillary but the.
00:29:28
Speaker 4: Woman who he was simping for when he did that was it.
00:29:31
Speaker 3: The Ariana Grande era uh yeah that's pathetic um brutal and you know that I mean we know this because his life is completely public but whatever girl that was for ultimately left him which is the only ending for a move like that.
00:29:48
Speaker 1: It's just wild that's absolutely absolutely wild uh it just how long are we going to do this thing where we need this pete davidson in our life like it's the it's the i no one should harm pete davidson Don't take me out of context, but we keep doing this thing with the most mediocre celebrities of all time.
00:30:05
Speaker 2: Let's take a New York. So let's go to Mamdani.
00:30:07
Speaker 1: It feels like Mamdani is finally getting the left is pushing back on him.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Obviously, anyone who likes Israel and the Jews at all doesn't like him very much. But I don't know.
00:30:17
Speaker 1: I see his TikTok numbers. Seems like people like what he's doing overall. But he was getting heckled quite a bit. I got a little footage. Let's see if this is any good.
00:30:23
Speaker 2: Check this out. Thank you.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: So you can see this in the footage. It's not coming through if you're just listening to the show. We do try to provide visual elements. Those of you who are inclined to check it out on YouTube, Rumble, etc. But these are pro-Palestinian people. So he's not sufficiently Islamist, even though he is a.
00:31:07
Speaker 2: Ugandan Muslim.
00:31:09
Speaker 1: And he's here, even though he's in the United States running the city that was the site of the 9-11 terrorist attacks. You know, 25 years hence, but not radical enough.
00:31:22
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
00:31:23
Speaker 3: Don't forget going to October 7th dinner at a Palestinian restaurant that was, like, named after.
00:31:31
Speaker 4: Some, like, war crime or something. Anyway, look, like.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: It's a real shocker that the people who support Hamas don't think that Mamdani is radical enough for them. But that's what happens when you pander to the most extreme element of your base.
00:31:51
Speaker 4: Nothing is ever good.
00:31:52
Speaker 3: Enough, even like the disgusting example that I just cited, which was obviously a huge middle finger, let alone that revolting tweet that he published. on October 7th, where he gave, like, if the audience hasn't seen it, I'll sum it up for you quickly. He gave, like, four words being like, yeah, October 7th sucked. And then he goes on to write, like, this, like, screed about the war crimes and genocide that Israel has committed in the years after that, which obviously is a lie, but nonetheless, he published it in disgusting fashion. But yeah, no, not good enough for the Hamas people in a shocking turn of events, but you'd almost think that, like, he hired these people to make him look sane.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is an interesting point, that it does, maybe it is a good political move.
00:32:48
Speaker 4: Like, I don't think he did.
00:32:49
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah. But if he had.
00:32:53
Speaker 2: See, the people can see my facial expressions.
00:32:56
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see that I'm not coming in hot with the takes on this one because I'm trying to understand like maybe this is a good thing for him if people think that he's not radical enough. But he did, I mean, he ate at a Palestinian restaurant on October the 7th and it was named after, you noted, a girl who was killed in Gaza City. It's all so performative as always, but it's very aggressive. It's very aggressive that he, remember, the quote of the year is still Abdul El-Said saying, October 7th was hurt people hurting people. That is literally the rapes and the murders. It was only because the Hamas terrorists were hurt.
00:33:33
Speaker 2: They'd been hurt.
00:33:34
Speaker 1: So meaning all those innocent families that were completely destroyed, all those hostages taken, all the murders and the maiming and the rapes, all that was totally legit in the eyes of a guy who is on the verge of becoming a senator. Truly crazy that's happening in this country right now.
00:33:49
Speaker 3: Vile yeah no absolutely but this is a you know a cohort and it's not necessarily their religion because if you look to the clip that you just played uh i don't think that the people in that crowd were muslim necessarily it's uh it's a cohort of of people with a unacceptable ideology and it is an unacceptable ideology and I won't go into the maybe the McCarthy stuff should be revisited talk on this podcast but it really does make you think because what.
00:34:22
Speaker 4: Are we doing?
00:34:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing?
00:34:26
Speaker 1: And that's where I get curious about how is the multicultural experiment going? Because I don't think it's going very well. This is what's going on in Minnesota right now. This is a local news report about what's going on with the Somalians who are not just committing fraud, but they're also doing a lot of gang violence.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: Check this out, Emma.
00:34:45
Speaker 7: So we have spent a lot of time lately talking about gun violence across the Twin Cities, and police are now saying the handfuls that have happened in the West Metro have some connections.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: Chime in, go ahead.
00:34:56
Speaker 4: It's just like, what is this newscaster? It's very, whatever, leftist.
00:35:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's becoming a big, this person's becoming a big star.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: I'm seeing her pop up. So I'd say she's becoming a character.
00:35:07
Speaker 1: I'll properly introduce the audience in a second, but let's play a little more before I do that.
00:35:14
Speaker 4: Some connections.
00:35:15
Speaker 7: I'm talking about the shooting on the basketball courts at Our Lady of Grace in Edina and the shooting at the Eden Prairie football game and a couple more shootings at Eden Prairie in Bloomington. Some of these, police say, are the work of gangs. And the members of those gangs, they say, are Somali American teens and young adults. But when some people just say Somali gangs, that leaves a mark on hundreds of thousands of Somali people who have nothing to do with gangs or these shootings. And we have to talk about that. So Heidi has been looking at where those lines are starting to get blurred and the issues it's causing.
00:35:52
Speaker 1: So then she goes on to talk about how— The real victims.
00:35:54
Speaker 4: Of the Somali shootings are the innocent Somalis.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:35:59
Speaker 1: And they're all victims of stereotyping. So it's like, we've miscast. We've overdone it. And so this is the whole point, is that we import these people in the country, and within a generation or less, that they're already just creating all sorts of violence, and they're committing fraud, the Medicare fraud, all that stuff, the leering centers. The Somalis are on a generationally bad run right now in this country, and so I will note that. But when you've got these liberal white women rushing in their defense, what's going on here?
00:36:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually listening to your show, was it yesterday? And I was like, oh, he's tripping into noticing, like if anyone follows Steve Saylor on the podcast.
00:36:42
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, of course. Any audience.
00:36:44
Speaker 3: That's called noticing where you're like, I don't think it's all people from Somalia, but there is a percentage that is a higher percentage than in other demographics who are committing crimes.
00:37:01
Speaker 2: Good. I got to do it.
00:37:02
Speaker 3: Good.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: And people can hear that. I listened back to that segment.
00:37:06
Speaker 1: I was not as articulate as I could have been in that segment, partially because it's so tough to talk about this stuff.
00:37:10
Speaker 2: But it's a real fact.
00:37:11
Speaker 3: You were hedging because we get emotionally blackmailed out of noticing.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: It's time to start talking about the stuff. It's time to start talking about the multicultural experiment, how it's failing. It's failing.
00:37:22
Speaker 2: It's failing.
00:37:23
Speaker 1: And I'll say this again, and there's a nice little segue here, but I'll say this again, is the, you know, I don't want any secular liberal whites from Canada either. So it's like there are other demographics I don't like. It's not just the brown-skinned peoples. And I like many of the brown-skinned peoples significantly more than the liberal white secular Europeans and Canadians. But the point is, is that we got to start looking numbers here because it's not going well.
00:37:48
Speaker 2: Are we all in agreement here? Whatever we're trying is not optimized.
00:37:52
Speaker 3: And by the way, all the Steve Saylor stuff is, which, like, you know, we're kind of doing right now, is just saying that there are, like, cultures have tendencies for certain things and because of underlying beliefs about the way things work. And, like, you know, you're always kind of doing this big throat clearing exercise or hedging what you're saying so much that you've diluted yourself to the point of saying nothing. But, like, I think it's just common sense that in other places in the world, like, you know, things are run.
00:38:29
Speaker 4: Like, sometimes, like, in sectarian, like, for instance, in Somalia is a good example.
00:38:33
Speaker 3: There's, like, there's these sects of groups of people and power is really, like, wielded kind of illegitimately.
00:38:41
Speaker 4: It's, like, power by force. And so.
00:38:43
Speaker 3: The way that you have to operate in those societies is often in gray areas or in black market areas because it's not a fair environment for competition and resources. So, you know, there's mentalities that are incubated in these places that are not the same as.
00:39:00
Speaker 4: In the U.S.
00:39:01
Speaker 3: Where, like, you know, you do have a pretty much fair playing field and you can compete legitimately. But when you come from a place where, like, illegitimate means of acquiring things is normal— then that's what you think is normal. And that has nothing to do with anyone's race. And, you know, and then, like, yeah, in Canada, look, it's a socialist country. There's a lot of people in the Nordic countries and Europe who also are socialists, and they spit on the floor... at a lot of the customs that in among Protestant Americans are totally normal and actually make the country in many ways have the characteristics that it has. But those people also don't like fit in a lot of ways or they do things very differently. This is all very basic stuff, but Somehow you're always bullied into feeling guilty for saying it because, like, they also have different races sometimes when you're noticing suboptimal characteristics for our culture.
00:39:59
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not so over it. Yeah, like, there's more violence in Africa.
00:40:05
Speaker 3: So when you bring a lot of people from Africa, they're used to having violent interactions.
00:40:10
Speaker 4: Like, sorry, but yeah, it's fine. Yeah.
00:40:14
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a swing at the Canadians for a second, because only fair, because we're equal opportunity offenders here. So the Canadians right now, their economy is losing jobs. They lost 68,000 jobs in September, and the unemployment rate has jumped up to 6.5%.
00:40:33
Speaker 2: Except in Alberta.
00:40:33
Speaker 4: Yeah. Alberta has been doing better, but go on.
00:40:39
Speaker 1: Okay, but they had two straight months of losses, and a lot of it's because of the trade war that Mark Carney's picked with Trump because he sees it as politically advantageous. That's why he's doing it. I got a cut of Trump talking about it, and then Emma, as my New York and Canadian correspondent, we'll get you to weigh in.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: Here you go.
00:40:55
Speaker 5: Canada's been ripping off our country for many, many years, tremendously ripping off. They've been charging tremendous tariffs, one-way tariffs, 400% on dairy products and other things. They're not ripping us off. We don't need Canada for anything. You know, they do 95% of their business with us. We do very little with them by comparison. And Canada has been very difficult to deal with. And I think we're doing very well with Canada. Canada would like to make a deal, but we're not satisfied with it. Canada's been, we've been losing on average 80 to $ 90 billion a year with Canada in order for them to trade with us. Why are we doing that? That's, you know, it goes back to the thing I said before about whether it's Switzerland or another country, we're losing $ 90 billion a year doing business with Canada. Why? We want to make our own cars. We don't want them to make ours for us because if they make a car, We're not making a car. We don't need them to make cars, et cetera, et cetera. It's a long story, but they've been ripping us. Canada has been ripping us off for many, many years, and they're not going to rip us off anymore. Thank you very much, everybody.
00:42:07
Speaker 2: Thank you. Emma Jo, your thoughts?
00:42:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's totally right.
00:42:11
Speaker 3: And he's addressing something that is maybe uncomfortable to talk about now, but actually was always pretty much just like accepted common knowledge, which is in the post-war era, There was some sort of, I guess, understanding that America would sort of stand up these smaller, culturally similar or friendly economies and countries because it helped proliferate shared values. And that was like this... implicit agreement that we all had. And that's the source of a lot of anger in Canada. It's like, wait, wait a second. You're supposed to be our ally. You're supposed to be our big brother. And what do they mean by that? They mean we have a smaller and less productive country than you. We have basically similar values, apparently on paper, although we could talk about all the ways that that is totally not true, and it's not true certainly in the last 10 years. But you're supposed to give us a ride on your coattails. And what do you mean now you want it to be fair? But that's exactly right. And that was always, by the way, not controversial, that the United States takes a haircut because there is like some sort of due that they have to a country like Canada and to England and to Europe to pay to.
00:43:41
Speaker 4: Keep them more prosperous at Americans' expense.
00:43:45
Speaker 3: And all Trump is doing is saying that and then saying, I don't want to do that anymore. I'm not cool with this arrangement anymore. And I want to renegotiate the arrangement to make it more fair. But to say that, like, no, things were totally fair and Trump is just being mean, like, no, no, we had all agreed that that was what we were doing. Trump is just taking his right and his leverage to say, I don't want to take the haircut anymore for your good.
00:44:13
Speaker 4: America first.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: Emma, I got one more, and I don't have enough time for this to get the full fleshing out of this story, but the GQ's got an article that caught my eye. It said, My Second Child is Perfect. He Ruined My Life by some person named Zach Barron, who I was unfamiliar with.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: It was a compelling title, and I.
00:44:35
Speaker 1: Know that I have an occasional co-host on the show who just had a second child. Do you consider your second child perfect in ruining your life? Did you get a chance to look at this article, and what did you think of it?
00:44:47
Speaker 3: Yeah um this is like so interesting uh because it was like a little more like deeper and more like like psychologically sophisticated than your average i hate my kid article that comes out every once in a while uh but like it's it's a strange thing because you're reading it and he is listing off all of the kind of mundane facts and things that come up when you have two kids yeah and um but but he's describing them all as like negative. And he even goes to some deeper points and acknowledges them, which is like, for instance, he talks about ego death. And like, I know for myself, like that was something that, that was a term that I used that I felt when I was pregnant, because for me personally, I put a lot of my personal identity into my, what I've like my productivity and like what I do, like what I physically do and like my work and like how hard I work and my performance. And, you know, and I'm sure, you know, fathers have this experience in other ways. But when I was pregnant, like there was this thing the size of a peanut that was like wiping me out at two in the afternoon. And I didn't feel like I could push myself anymore. And then she was the size of an avocado and I couldn't bend down. And all of the things that, or some things that I didn't even realize I staked like my identity on in a way were being taken away from me. And I used the term ego death at the time to describe that feeling. But then at the same time, part of that conversation in my own mind was like, Growth. This is like your growth. Like this is you entering into a stage that is completely foreign and completely new to.
00:46:38
Speaker 4: Your life prior.
00:46:39
Speaker 3: And you're going to come out of this a different person and you got to like roll with it and let it transform you and let yourself become stronger and perhaps even redefined.
00:46:51
Speaker 4: Through that experience. And, and so, you know, this guy.
00:46:56
Speaker 3: Is like talking about this stuff in a quite sophisticated way, but then he is deducing that it's like not good. Like he's talking about basically the whole article is about how a second kid takes you completely away from being the person that you were before and how having one kid is more similar to having no kids than it is to having two kids. because of how drastically it changes you and your life. But then what he concludes from that is that that sucks. And it's exactly, first of all, it's exactly the wrong take because it doesn't suck.
00:47:34
Speaker 4: You're going through a transformation.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: Let yourself be transformed by that and transcend whatever you were before that day. But aside from that, you know what's sad about it is, as I was talking about this recently, you know, life is, this is my take, life is, is not the birthdays and the anniversaries and the vacations. I mean, you have those things happen every year or whatever, and they're fun and they're special, but it's not, life is not the special fun things. Life is a collection of mundane things and that's your life um it's it's regular days it's walking through your door every evening and greeting your wife or your kids it's um you know uh going to work and plugging away at your computer it's right and not phone calls and you know if you if you dismiss all of that as boring and mundane and that's your perspective on those things and you only live for the fun times you are um squandering the life that you have what the correct take is is those mundane things when you have like multiple kids crying and you're like dying and you haven't slept in three days and you have a call at seven in the morning the next day um you know is to say to yourself um what a privilege this is a privilege because what is underneath all of that and why is all that happening is because you get the profound experience of being completely relied on by somebody who loves you in a way that is.
00:49:11
Speaker 4: Like, you're their whole world. And that's like, if you think about it, a real honor.
00:49:16
Speaker 3: And what that looks like is having like snot on your, shirt and being exhausted and not wanting to do anything.
00:49:25
Speaker 4: And, and, and, and then one day it's gone. And, and, and how did you experience it when it was there?
00:49:33
Speaker 2: Totally.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:49:35
Speaker 1: I just, my experience, take away there's some big ideas in here that i don't totally disagree with but overall i feel like this just indulgence of you're not supposed to grow up and have a family and have children is i find it to be very anti-human um i feel like i've got to do more in my career than the most people and i've got to travel cool places because of that and be get to know important people and And there's nothing even close to anything I've done in my career that's as meaningful as raising children. And I just feel like that we, I think we all started from that premise.
00:50:14
Speaker 2: Very recently. And then now we do all these magazine pieces. I'm like, well, maybe, is it really better? Is it really better?
00:50:20
Speaker 1: Like, even though the kids, it can be a total pain. And I've got twice as many as this guy's got. And some of the days are really challenging and they're draining and you don't have any free time anymore.
00:50:28
Speaker 2: But what are you really doing with the free time? Was it that great?
00:50:31
Speaker 1: Or is it better to raise children, raise, human beings, raise Americans to raise, for my case, raise Christian Americans.
00:50:37
Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that's a, I love that. I savor it.
00:50:40
Speaker 1: And I just don't know, just we do all this time. We're just showing our own heads all the time.
00:50:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:50:45
Speaker 3: Well, that's, that's, and that's the thing that gets lost in all of this, which is at a certain point, like, in your early thirties, like you've kind of done everything.
00:50:55
Speaker 4: And there's not much that is new to you.
00:51:00
Speaker 3: But what you can do to excite yourself is have kids and then watch them learn and discover everything through their eyes. And, and there's such amazement and wonder in the world if you do that. And, and, The alternative is to cling to the years that are in your past and try to still be 25.
00:51:25
Speaker 4: And I mean, if nothing else, it looks so bad. It looks so bad.
00:51:32
Speaker 3: If you look at the people who have this arrested development, it's like you feel bad for them. They think they're having a blast, maybe. But, you know, I heard this quote. I think it's a Jerry Springer quote. God, the biggest blessing that God does is not letting childless people know what they're missing.
00:51:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that quote.
00:51:55
Speaker 1: I forget who said it, but it is true is that they don't totally get it. But what's getting odd to me is that what's new is that this effort to try to not to try to persuade people to not have kids or to make them be bummed out about their kids, which is just.
00:52:08
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:52:09
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
00:52:10
Speaker 1: I don't relate to it. I think it's bad overall, but I do like your assessment and analysis. Emma, I'm out of time, unfortunately. I could do more time with you, but I got to go pick up three of the four kids right now.
00:52:19
Speaker 2: So that's where I'm running off to.
00:52:20
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to be with you. Follow Emma Jo NYC on the Everything app. If you need her consulting services, Beck and Stone is her consultancy. You should go over there as well. Anything else I can share with you or any final words for the audience for the day?
00:52:33
Speaker 4: Oh, go get your kids.
00:52:36
Speaker 2: I'm going to go get them. I'm going to go get them.
00:52:37
Speaker 1: I'm going to get them all. And then I'm going to tell them and they ruin my life, but they're perfect. You're in the middle of a podcast. I just cut my podcast short for you. How is podcasting?
00:52:48
Speaker 2: Okay, bye Emma. Thank you.
00:52:51
Speaker 3: Thank you.
00:52:51
Speaker 2: Oh, and thanks Misty for putting this together. Go in peace, do love and serve the Lord.
