Nemesis

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Welcome back to Plot on the Rocks, everybody where we sift the story.
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And with this book, question our sanity along the way.
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Today we're talking about Nemesis by Harper Black, which Tia picked out.
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She had gotten it in an arc read, if I'm correct.
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Yes.
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So yeah, let's get into it.
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Everybody.
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At one point, I didn't even trust myself as a reader.
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Because this is one of those books where you question where the question isn't like just what happened, it's who are we supposed to believe?
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Amara.
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Sophia.
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Or nobody.
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And we're getting into all of it today.
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So grab your drink because we're about to get a little messy.
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So, as usual, spoiler warning, because every single episode we're talking about the twist, the characters, the ending, our theories about what actually happened.
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So if you haven't read Nemesis yet, pause this episode, go read it, and then come back.
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Um, before we get into our thoughts, let's give you a little bit of background on the book because that is something we always forget.
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We always talk about the well, yeah.
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What it's like 30 minutes in, and then oh yeah, let's talk about the book is about.
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But anyway, Nemesis follows Amara, a young woman whose life becomes increasingly complicated as she begins uncovering secrets surrounding her mother, Paige, and Paige's past.
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Amara has always had a complicated relationship with her mom, but things take a turn when she discovers a photograph and raises questions about Paige's history and about the people and events Paige has worked hard to keep hidden.
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Sophia is a presence in Amara's life that makes it increasingly difficult to determine what's real, what's imagined, and whether Amara can trust her own perception of what's happening around her.
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And that's where this book really starts messing with your head.
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Because as Amara tries to uncover the truth about her mom, the story constantly makes us question whose version of events we can actually believe.
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Is Amara uncovering a genuine conspiracy around her family?
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Is Paige hiding the truth to protect herself and her daughter?
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Is Sophia even real?
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Or are we experiencing the story through a perspective that can't always distinguish reality from perception?
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Because as we come to find out later in the story, Amara has paranoid schizophrenia.
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Or does she?
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Remorseful.
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So essentially, we have family drama, secrets, psychological warfare, and enough questionable behavior to keep us arguing for this entire episode.
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And that's nemesis in a nutshell.
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There's also a murder, not a murder, a suicide.
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Yeah.
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There is a murder.
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Yes, a murder.
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Um, so this is a book where it's like you need to talk to somebody about after you finish it.
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Um let's keep this very simple.
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What was your immediate reaction after finishing them?
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It says, I don't want your rating, not your review, like just your like immediate emotional response when you were done with it.
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For me, reading this, and I read this for the ARC probably, it's probably been about six months now.
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I was like, Oh, I need somebody else to read this.
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I gotta talk to somebody about this.
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Because I was just so flabbergasted.
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I was I had my own thoughts, but then I wanted to hear everybody else's thoughts.
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That was my initial reaction.
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No.
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Yes.
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Oh my god.
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I was thinking about it for like days after reading it, and I remember like in my head, like going back and forth for like certain parts of the book, I was like, but wait, this happened here, so what about this?
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So it was like I'm just I was still thinking about it for days, and that's probably like the purpose of it, because it no, it was and it was like unreliable narrator to the max on steroids.
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Yeah, like yeah, and I feel like what was cool about it usually when you find out that the narrator is unreliable, that kind of seals whether or not what they're saying is true or not.
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But in this case, it did not.
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This is true, because in the beginning of the book, too, like right at the beginning, it says, You must understand two things.
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I am real, and everything I say is true.
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Yeah, but not many will believe it.
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So you you must do two things pay attention and question everything you think you know.
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I am Sophia.
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I've always been here watching, waiting.
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You just weren't ready to listen until now.
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I will tell you a story.
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18 years have passed, but time does not dull the truth.
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It only brings it to its rightful conclusion.
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And the end, the ending is near.
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Do not be afraid.
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I will guide you along the way.
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Just prepare yourself.
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When the time comes, you will make a choice.
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Everybody choose wisely.
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I didn't choose shit.
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Because I still don't know.
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And like even that too, because it was like it, but I went in, I went in it very blindly.
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I didn't know it had anything was just reading that.
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I didn't know it had anything to do with Gnosticism at the beginning.
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But so I'm thinking Sophia is a per a person.
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Like she's a person.
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So she's telling this story, and then you find out, like, no, it's like this entity.
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So before we get into the Amara question, T, can you give us like a little quick cliff's nose version of Gnosticism?
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Because that's like the main, I think, well, actually the main focal point of the story is that belief system.
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It's what kind of gives Dina, not Dina, Amara, her um almost basis for questioning things and validates some of her maybe delusions, maybe truths.
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I don't know.
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But Gnosticism is basically a philosophical thought, um, not necessarily a religion, but it is considered a form of Christianity while they're focusing on the human connection with the divine.
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It wasn't really holding it, it doesn't separate it.
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It's our divine.
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They come from the divine.
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Where she got it.
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That makes sense.
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And like Sophia's like the wisdom part, so like that's like the ultimate goal is to get there.
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So it's like, so once I find that out, it's just like oh, that's another part too.
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She says, What because what you believe determines what is real, which is also like the people who believe a lot of things that aren't real but to them is real, and that kind of leads us to Amara.
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Let's start with her.
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Did you trust her?
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Immediately, eventually, not at all.
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Like, how did you feel about Miss Girl?
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Hold on, let me say.
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She annoyed me from the beginning.
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I will before I knew she was going through her thing, because she was like a rebel without a cause.
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That Kylie without a cause.
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Like the scene, the scene where she gets she gets arrested because you know she's rich, she got money.
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She's it, but she's hanging with like the wrong crowd or whatever.
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They rob somebody, they end up getting caught, her mom releases her from jail, she got a lot of money.
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We never actually know what her mom does.
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Which I realize, Paige.
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Because she talks about wanting to do fashion, but it's never actually determined in the future.
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Trust.
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Yeah.
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That made sense.
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We don't know which one is true.
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This is true.
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But like the scene where she picks her up from jail and then save it where because she said whoever's I I annotated a lot in this.
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My little highlighter was working over time on my Kindle.
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But basically, Amara's mom was like, What are you what are you doing?
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Like you're like, you are this fight, this fight the power type person, which is okay, fine, be that.
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But you're not saying anything because I got the money to get you out of jail.
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Now you're not complaining about this money, and it was like she was just doing stuff, she was just doing stuff, she was just doing stuff just to be rebellious front of reasons.
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She's not just about balance, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like it was just annoying.
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Ugh, anyway.
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Irritated me.
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Yeah, she was definitely being new new.
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For real.
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She was Nunu.
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She was trying to hang out with the hood boys, got her little hood boy she liked, who sad face about that.
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But you know, I I didn't trust her, but I trusted what she was experiencing.
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I probably did a great one.
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Like I saw immediately, oh, this girl ain't right.
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She don't appreciate nothing.
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Like she lives in a mansion, she complaining about wealth while being wealthy.
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She driving a Nissan, cosplaying, you know, hood life.
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It's like, girl, you're not kind of car to her mind.
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Yeah, yes, and she wouldn't drive it.
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She wouldn't drive a Nissan.
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Girl, if you don't get in that Esther Martin, I girl.
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So she was lying to everybody, you know.
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So that was the my initial like, no, I don't trust her.
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But with that being said, when she started, when she star when I realized that Sophia was wisdom, and she started getting these thoughts in her head from Sophia, I did believe her.
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I did, but you know, it's one of those things you can't I can't say like that mean I think they it was right.
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I but I believe her.
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I don't know.
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She had them pills, she threw them out.
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That's that's what I'm saying.
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So like even with even with her paranoid schizophrenia, like when you find out because you don't find out, obviously, you know, there's something because she throws out the pills, but we don't find out until like later in the book that she has that.
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Yeah.
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When you get to that point, did you still believe her?
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Or was it one of those things where it was like, well, wait a second.
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Because let me see.
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Oh, well, this says paranoid schizophrenia is an outdated diagnostic diagnostic label that medical experts now classify simply as schizophrenia with prominent symptoms of paranoia and delusions.
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It's described as a lifelong mental condition where a person loses touch with reality.
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So did you still trust her even after that?
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Oh, that's good.
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That should have been the wrap-up right there.
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I I couldn't claim that.
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Couldn't claim that as my nigga.
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But I and here's here's where my personal beliefs about mental health came into the story.
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Because even when I realized or they told us anyway that she was schizophrenic, I think I've told y'all this before.
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I don't know if I told y'all this before, but I truly believe that a lot of mental illnesses are just a higher connection to the spirit realm that you don't necessarily know how to handle with reality.
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I truly believe that, and I believe that especially so for schizophrenics.
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So learning that when I was reading the book didn't necessarily shut down my belief that this was happening, because I'm like, well, she said it's Sophia.
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Sophia's wisdom.
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I I know wisdom is real.
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I don't know, like, you know, I mean, not to say that delusions don't exist and that you can't come up because I've heard some stories about delusions and you know the things you can make up in your head.
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But then on the other side, there are people who are diagnosed schizophrenic, who I believe are just prophets who don't know how to handle the information they're getting.
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So that was my personal experience of it.
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Yeah, believe it.
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Alright.
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Believe it, they don't be careful at all.
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So, because of that, do you because obviously she thinks Sophia is speaking through her.
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So basically, with this too, because we again we're doing what we always do.
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We forgot to explain stuff.
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Let's go back in the book, okay?
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There is a suicide in the beginning of the book.
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We follow this one professor, Justin, who has like this envelope, and he sends stuff out, and that like kind of is the catalyst for everything, and then the next chapter we're with Perfect P such a stupid name.
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But anyway, he gets this envelope, he freaks out, and then he ends up killing himself.
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And that kind of sparks everything of because it's it's it's come to realize that like Paige and Perfect P knew each other, and you know, she Paige also had this friend named Dina, who like Dina was in a relationship with Perfect P back in the day, and in the story, Dina becomes enlightened with Sophia and Gnosticism when her dad dies and finds his because she was like a little hippie child, yeah.
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And it was cool, she finds his stuff, and she goes over the deep end, she finds out all this stuff, and then now Amara thinks Sophia is speaking to her, but Sophia is probably also Dina, maybe so I guess to say, because of what you said about mental health.
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Do you did you believe that Sophia was real or just a manifestation in Amara's mind because of again, like she doesn't know who her dad is?
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A lot of the times they say people go through psychotic breaks when they have like a traumatic incident when they're younger.
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So, like, and then it comes, I think, in the part of the ball too, she's in college, and like her assignment for her religion class is Gnosticism, so she's learning about it at the same time.
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So that's the already is too much, it's too much.
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It is, it was a lot.
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Loved every second, yeah.
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No, so for me, I don't know.
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I don't know if Sophia was real.
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I really don't.
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I don't know.
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I can't say yes or no.
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I don't know.
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I part of like I want to believe for the sake of Amara's soul.
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She done killed, you know.
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I wouldn't I want Sophia to be real, you know what I'm saying?
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Because damn, if she ain't real, the girl is cuckoo for cocoa puffs and no for real.
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She did like on a level, yes.
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But like what the things that make me believe her, okay?
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One, Justin.
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Yes, yes, the letters.
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And there was nothing.
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We just have the first chapter.
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Exactly.
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But you get what I'm saying?
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Like Dina was planning all of this.
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How would she possibly know that things could turn out like this?
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To get revenge on the people who killed her and plotted on her?
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You get what I'm saying?
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Like the letter came to Justin on a very specific date.
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How how'd that happen?
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Well, she said, but but in the part, no, because she tells Justin before she's dead, I'm giving you this.
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She tells him that she tells him that, like, this is when you're gonna, this is the instructions in here, don't open it right now.
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This is when you're gonna do it.
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And then he's like, Well, what the hell?
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But he does it.
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So let me scratch that off my list of reasons.
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But I'ma still, but I'ma still use it only because, again, how would Dina know that things are gonna work out like this?
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It depends.
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Because Sophia, she's Sophia, she's gonna- Exactly.
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That's why I believe her.
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Yes, she is in life.
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I truly believe Dina was enlightened, not only because of how she planned out everything, but her acceptance of what was gonna happen.
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She knew Paige and P was messing around behind her back the entire time.
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And she was plotting on their revenge on her revenge before the downfall even happened.
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But, but, but let's I'm I'm listening to your argument, I am.
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But all of this is coming to Amara's head.
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What if, okay, let's mental health.
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I get ADHD, you got ADHD.
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One of the biggest things with ADHD is maladaptive daydreaming.
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We just be making up stuff in our heads.
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You know how many celebrity interviews I have had on my couch just because I'm bored Monday and I just be talking about stuff?
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Like, I probably should be somewhere.
00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:39.519
But what if it's one of those things where she looks at this picture and she herself is creating this whole entire story, Amara, of these people that are with her mom that she don't know because her mom didn't tell her anything, and then she's connecting everything to Gnosticism and the Sophia, and she also doesn't know who her daddy is, and she also thinks her mom is a really terrible person.
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So, of course, she's gonna create a scenario in her head where her mom is like the unthinkable, which is sleeping with her best friend's man.
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So, but what if Dina didn't know Didn't know any of this and Amara is just again having a delusion?
00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.200
But what about the artifact, the birthday text?
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Yeah, they so who would have put that there?
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The why would they have known that that would transend?
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Do you get what I'm saying?
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Like, yeah, even if, even if, right?
00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:15.039
Okay, so let's say, let's say, let's say she is crazy as hell, okay?
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And she probably is, she probably looked crazy as hell.
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But let's say she was crazy as hell.
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Even so, how would how would how would Dina know if Sophia was not the who she said she was throughout this entire book?
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How would Dina know that placing the artifact, placing the picture there would cause this reaction of now Amara's become nemesis?
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Because even if Amara is making this up, she did not make up the picture, she didn't make up the names that were given, she didn't make up the artifacts she got or whatever, the the synchronicities of the school.
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Okay, okay.
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You know what I'm saying?
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But that's multiple.
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Clearly, I'm on the I'm on the realism part right now.
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No, give it to me because I because in the the picture was in the picture was in her mom's room, right?
00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:19.920
The picture was in her mom's room.
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She could have easily taken it from there, right?
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And the assignment, her professor specifically said each of you were given an artifact for your religion assignment.
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Did you miss that?
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She's in the classroom, and that's when that's when she because the mom's not paying attention because again, she threw her pills out.
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Really?
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She's not paying attention to what the professor's saying, and then the professor starts talking about Gnosticism and Sophia, and then she's like, Wait, what'd you say?
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Because again, Gnosticism is her assignment for her religions class.
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And when Jackie tells the mom, like, hey, listen, I'm concerned about her.
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My brother has pre-chizophrenia, I know what these pills are.
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This started happening when this is.
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Assignment came in.
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Ooh.
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See?
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Okay.
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That's true.
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Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, you got me.
00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:17.680
Yeah.
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Okay.
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You get f yeah.
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That's true.
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What if it was a bug?
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No.
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What if it was a bug?
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They were outside.
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They were outside.
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No?
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Okay.
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They were into that's what I feel like.
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Because even his sister said you don't usually do that.
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Yeah.
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Me too.
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He scared me.
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He's scared.
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He's scared.
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Okay.
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Okay.
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:52.640
Alright.
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So, all right.
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That leads us.
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And let this listener, let this conversation inspire you.
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If you have not read the book and you're just listening, go back and read that book.
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Because when I tell you, you really don't know.
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No.
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There are so many factors that Harper wrote into this book.
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I'm just like, I feel like I feel like that meme from like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where it's Charlie and he's in front of like this this chart and he is he looks so strung out and crazy.
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God is what I feel like.
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Because I'm like, this is it.
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So let's let's go into Paige.
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Let's talk about Miss Paige.
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Cause it's a lot to say about her.
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A lot to say about her.
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And you get you get glimpses of glimpses of how she's mean because of how she talks to Darius at the end.
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So oh yeah, yeah.
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I would have spiked her dream.
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And Dina.
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.680
Y'all, the way she talked to Dina.
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:10.960
Oh there were several there were several moments when she's living in their house, by the way.
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For free.
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Yes, for free.
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Yes.
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The way she would disrespect her.
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Like, oh, you're so pretty if you would put on, you know, better clothes.
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Do your hair.
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You know, stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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It was very hatery.
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And there are parts where she's like, oh, I don't, she didn't understand how Dina got like the attention she got because of how like talking outside of your neck.
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Plain, quote unquote, she was.
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While also acknowledging how beautiful she was.
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Like she was a big ass hater.
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Yeah, she was.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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You say so, but and again, Dina only has the life, is because her dad died due to medical medical negligence.
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Yeah.
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And she told her that.
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.960
But she, you know, she was working, and you can see it all throughout the book.
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Like you said, even when she was talking to Darius towards the end, that she's working from the trauma that her mom caused her from being instable and dependent on men and whatever.
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But like, girl, you you have no more morals.
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You only worried about the the bands, like you only like, whoa.
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.960
Like the ungratefulness is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And complaining.
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Oh, hell no.
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.880
I will say too, I it it did give me like it not irritated me, but I was like, girl, shut up.
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:56.720
Whenever Dina would talk about the money, especially how much she had, and like shut up, shut you do not talk like that around jealous people.
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:06.000
Especially you're saying I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do everything, and then I'm just gonna give you the house, and then I'll have the shut up, like stop talking.
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.839
Yeah, that stressed me out.
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Oh my god.
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:20.720
So given everything, if Amara was actually, I hate using the word crazy because I feel like it's so insensitive.
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If she actually had schizophrenia, do you think Paige was actually protecting Amara, controlling her, or could those two things exist at the same exact time?
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Because of course, when you're dealing with somebody who has a mental health issue to that magnitude, I think there is a level of both.
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.759
Because you really just can't let them do whatever the hell she felt like fell flat.
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Clearly, we see what happens at the end.
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So lose your life.
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I mean, I I really part of me felt for Paige for half a second at the end when she was like, I raised you, I love you like you're my daughter, I'm your mother.
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Yes.
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Now she insisted to the end that she birth gave birth to Amara.
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Dina was not her mother.
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But it's just because you can you can adopt a child and love them like your own.
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You really can.
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And maybe she did love her like a daughter.
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I mean, because the clearly, even even when she was plotting against Dina, there was love there.
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She didn't honor it at all.
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:55.200
She didn't uh know how to not be selfish at all, but she did regret her actions at the end.
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It according to Sophia, according to Sophia, she did realize the error of her ways when given the opportunity to adopt Amara.
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:27.920
But at the same time, if if that is true, then she would have a very good reason to because you have to also remember this this lady's powerful enough somehow to get her child out of jail, charges dropped for an armed robbery.
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:33.039
Okay, that's not a little charge, that's a felony, so it is not hard.
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.559
And I have heard it happen.
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I mean, the the uh what's an um the Kennedys did it to one of their siblings.
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:49.119
Say somebody got a mental disorder, put them on pills, now you in our care to make sure she stays in the house until she's 18.
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:51.440
It's not far-fetched.
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.559
Yeah, she the cover, the lady in the cover, she felt like it's a little bit more.
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.839
Okay, but I looked this up real quick.
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:00.720
No, for real.
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:02.799
She supposedly just can't she came up with a new perfume.
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.839
I don't know if she did or like her camp did, but anyway, not besides the point.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.279
She's supposedly free now.
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.839
I hope she is for real, because she she she deserves a lot more than she got.
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.480
She does.
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:24.319
Yeah, but really quickly, I didn't look this up before, but in again, if she adopted Amara, and Amara is Dina's baby, not hers, the lawyer said that like this is what Dina wanted Amara to be named, Amara.
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.160
So I looked up the name meanings.
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.200
I feel like names have a lot of meanings in this book.
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.200
So it's how many?
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:32.160
One, two, three.
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.440
There's six different meanings.
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.640
So in Igbo, in West Africa, Amara means grace, kindness, or God's grace.
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.200
In Sanskrit, it means immortal, eternal, or deathless.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.880
In Latin and Italian, it means bitter.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.400
In Greek, it means unfading or everlasting.
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.640
In Spanish, it means to love.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:30:00.880
And in Arabic it means to build, to establish, or to refer to a prosperous or abundant life.
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:02.000
Wow.
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:03.359
She's black, right?
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.880
That is very good.
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:15.839
Yes.
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.000
Amazing.
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:12.319
Well, I think, and even like the have to go part, like I thought she was probably just gonna institutionalize her again.
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.240
Because she was institutionalized, supposedly.
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:33.119
And that's the thing too, like I because again, I don't know a lot on schizophrenia, how that works, because even when she when she has an episode and she gets to the hospital again, according to Paige, the doctor that sees Amara is somebody that she that she knows.
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We didn't know.
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And then she goes into Byron, who's like the white boy in the picture.
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:41.279
Even that kind of threw me off too, because the way she's describing him when she sees him, like that's an old man.
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.880
Like, if I'm assuming Paige and them are in their 40s, so why would he look like that?
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.759
But if you were institutionalized, wouldn't you remember all of these things?
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.799
But again, I don't I don't know how that that disease works.
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.759
I don't know how the medication works if it's suppressed, like I don't know.
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:06.960
So even like that was like I was questioning because I feel like you would recognize the doctor at the hospital you were institutionalized in for a couple years.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:19.839
Oh, we yeah, and the thing is because I have experience with schizophrenia.
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:26.799
My uncle is schizophrenic very badly, um, and he is currently unmedicated, unfortunately, due to his own reasons.
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.519
It does scramble your reality.
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:40.079
Okay, you might see some things that ain't there, however, one thing I've always known about my uncle ever since I was little, he was always a smart one.
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:49.200
He was super smart, I mean, and still is like and another thing is that he was very spiritual.
00:32:49.759 --> 00:33:05.599
Okay, so there's different sides, and this is why I'm always like, you know, I'm I'm not gonna discount nothing nobody says regarding, I mean, not gonna say I'm gonna believe you all the time, and you might need to get on a little something, something, make sure you're alright.
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.039
But that don't mean that everything you say is wrong.
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You get what I'm saying?
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.400
Because yes, it will scramble your reality.
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:21.440
But like you said, if she was in the hospital for that long, I think she would remember her friend.
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:27.279
I don't think now, could she possibly look at a piece of paper and read a different name that is not hers?
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:28.640
Maybe.
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.960
But also, why would her name be up there if she wasn't recently institutionalized?
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:33.920
Yeah.
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.279
It's giving gaslighting a little bit.
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.400
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I think I've watched a movie.
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.119
Okay, that leads me to the next question.
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:48.480
And I want to hear, we're gonna get all lawyery, all courtroom right now.
00:33:51.200 --> 00:34:02.720
Team Amara, team Pai, team Sophia, team nobody, defend your argument as to why you're a team, whoever.
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.599
I'm team Sophia heavily.
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.760
Defend your argument.
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.000
Okay, my argument.
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.079
Sophia is wisdom, okay?
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.360
Now, my personal beliefs, I believe Sophia in real life is real.
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.400
The Holy Spirit, I believe the Holy Spirit Spirit is wisdom, the Bible says that or whatever, right?
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:38.960
So, what I do know is that, you know, I feel like that it will, you know, if you're in tune with the most high, I feel like he will give you the spirit of wisdom, you'll be able to see things that maybe other people can't recognize.
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.119
Okay, we see that immediately.
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.679
As soon as Dina picks up that book and she starts reading.
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.800
Now, I don't believe in Gnosticism personally, but things she was saying, I I believe some of the things she was saying.
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.440
But, anyways, Sophia was the only constant.
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.480
At a certain point, it's not Dina no more.
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.559
At a certain point, it's Sophia working through Dina.
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.079
Sophia working through Nemesis or Amara.
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:15.119
It's Sophia that's basically trying to bring justice, right the wrongs that were done.
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:15.599
Okay.
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.599
And that's why I'm Team Sophia.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.519
I rest my case.
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:20.800
Oh, I thought, okay.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.880
So we're starting with where it says outra?
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.239
I don't know.
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:37.920
I lean towards Team Sophia because even though I'm not Gnostic, you guys know I'm Greek Orthodox.
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:44.000
Sophia is big in orthodoxy, that concept of wisdom, like the Holy Spirit is Sophia.
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:50.239
So it's a it's something that I grew up with knowing of this is something that's there.
00:35:52.000 --> 00:36:05.119
Even though I know that, and I think you know how I you know, I also think too, like all religions are valid because not every well people aren't meant to just follow one specific religion.
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.960
Everyone has their own different thing.
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.760
So Gnosticism could be valid too.
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:18.320
And I think in the case in the case of anyone but Amara, I would be Team Sophia.
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.079
I would be Team Sophia.
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:35.440
If it wasn't for the pills, if it wasn't for that, I think but I think I'm team because I'm so on the fence, and because it's it's too philosophical, I think I'm team no one.
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:42.320
Because every everyone is unreliable.
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:52.320
Because even though I know even though I believe that the concept of Sophia is a real thing, because Amara seems to be I don't know.
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.079
I don't know.
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:55.599
Yes, I think so.
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.400
I think what we're just gonna take the pills first and we'll see.
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.440
Paige is a bitch, so no.
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:16.800
So I'm I'm team, I'm team no one because of that, because I just there's just too much.
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:17.840
It's too much.
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:19.599
There's probably being the fifth, too.
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:23.760
That's a cop out, but I can't I can't pick.
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:38.239
Right.
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:38.960
Yeah.
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:49.760
Yes, because she even says too, like, because of course Amara thinks Pleasure P is her dad, but then um Paige tells her, like, no, not pleasure.
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:58.239
No, but why they compare the game page because it's not my perfect pea.
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:03.280
Yeah, no, I don't like it.
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:09.039
So not Pleasure P don't he's not gonna listen to it, but you know what I mean.
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:24.960
Perfect P is her dad, but then Paige comes around and is like, no, it's Byron, Byron Byron, yes, the white boy, and yeah, so it's like she we dated a little bit, whatever, whatever, and then I got pregnant.
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:52.639
So I think to her, if if she's telling the truth, her brain probably feels it's less hurtful because again, parents keep stuff from you to spare your feelings, and it's like it would hurt less to say, I don't know who your dad is, versus your dad is like this blue blood type, his parents were very upset, they didn't want you, they were kind of racist, so they paid us off.
00:39:53.360 --> 00:40:03.280
And I think at some point, she could have told her eventually, because once you're a teenager, I feel like you could say something.
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:10.559
I think obviously as a child that's she should have, yeah, that's too much, but that leads us to the to the photo.
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.159
So let's talk about the photo and what it reveals about Paige's past.
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:23.840
So in the picture, it's it's Dina Page, Perfect P Byron, and Justin.
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.960
And then yes.
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:28.239
Oh, yeah, he wasn't supposed to be in there.
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:28.960
Hold on, let me see.
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.400
He and then what are the names?
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.159
I know the names on the back of them.
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.000
As Dina's writing this down, Dina is Sophia.
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.639
Um, let me get all the names of these.
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.119
So we already know Sophia is wisdom.
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:41.679
Okay.
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.800
Um let me see.
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.800
Pluto is Byron, he's the god of wealth or whatever.
00:40:51.119 --> 00:41:01.920
Hermes is the messenger god, Thanatos is um death, um, Nemesis is revenge, and apathy is deceit or something.
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.000
So apathy is Paige.
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:12.800
So once she starts digging, we realize there's like obviously way more to Paige's history than she's allowed her daughter to know.
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.119
So again, that kind of leads up the same question, too.
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:24.880
Like, at one point, does protecting someone, if she is protecting her daughter, become controlling their access to the truth?
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.880
If it is the truth, because you don't know if it's the truth, because page never really verified anything.
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:54.079
Yeah, this is I think it's like Rakia said earlier, like Paige's deceit and secrets caused everything, and so there's there is an age-appropriate time to share things, but things have to be shared, you know?
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.920
You can't keep certain things from your children, but your paternity?
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:01.280
Hell no.
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.199
I need to know who that dude is.
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:04.559
Like, what you mean?
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:20.480
And yeah, I feel like her keeping that from her, whatever it was, whether she's telling the truth about it being Byron or it really was P her hiding that was controlling her.
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.320
She was controlling the narrative.
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:28.320
Wait.
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.199
Nursing home or hospital because it might not be Byron, it might be that old man.
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:44.880
That's another thing, too.
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.639
Yeah, like if it because wouldn't he be in the dude say that, yeah.
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.039
Right?
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.599
It's just some random old man that was there.
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.920
See how did Amara get to Byron being in the hospital?
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:03.760
She That's what I need to remember.
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:12.159
She had, she was leaving the hospital after she was like, you know, there for like a what is it, like a psych check or whatever.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:20.000
She gets into the elevator, she sees a nurse holding a paper, and it says, She says it says Byron's name.
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:20.639
Uh-huh.
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:26.719
So they get off on the same floor and she goes to the door and it's locked, and then the nurse is coming in.
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.239
First of all, she does a whole entire thing.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.280
She completely changed her clothes.
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:30.960
She changes her clothes, she puts on scrubs.
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.519
She's going full spy right now.
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:44.320
And then she comes in, and the way that she describes him, like he's like old, he's decrepit, he's bald, and that's when I'm just like, if that was Byron, again, Byron, 40 something year old Byron, like why would you look like that?
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:52.400
But supposedly it was him, and then we get to the part where like she's retelling everything to Paige, and Paige is like, I need you to remember what was on that.
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.000
Was it really Byron's name?
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.559
And then she plays in her head, like, no, it was her own, her own intake form.
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.360
Because yes, it doesn't make sense as Tobi Barbara would be in a regular old hospital.
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.639
If you have money like that, you would be all the books to be like semi-normal.
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.199
Because my brain's hurting right now.
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.119
I needed to be just fake.
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:15.760
I needed a second.
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.079
Like, oh my god, but no.
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.079
Revenge.
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.880
I feel like revenge is a theme for this season.
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.320
Because we've been reading a lot of books about you're right.
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:29.440
Revenge.
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.119
We have yes.
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:36.320
And the question is: can revenge ever actually be justice?
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.000
That is the question.
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.400
I feel can it be justice?
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.679
Can revenge be justified?
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.840
Like I we've answered this before.
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.519
Yes.
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:46.400
Hell yeah.
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.320
Hell yeah.
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:48.880
Yeah.
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.199
If I got a chance to get justice in the form of revenge, well, you know.
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:53.679
Yeah.
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.639
I know vengeance is the Lord's, but you know.
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:02.159
I mean, hey, if you follow the Gnostic teachings, we are divine because we come from him.
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.599
So I mean, we can listen.
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.519
I love getting a look back.
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:08.639
I really do.
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.199
Well, you know, listen, my my motto, this has nothing to do with the book, but it's just me, okay?
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.400
I take you from David.
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:25.679
Now, if any other Bible readers and the listeners, listen, David would pray on the downfall of his enemies.
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:26.639
Quick.
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.599
Let their teeth fall out.
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.440
Let their genitals rot.
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:32.559
Hell yeah.
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:33.760
But do something to me.
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:34.400
I'm gonna pray.
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:35.360
I'm gonna tell God.
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:36.559
I'm telling.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.599
And he's gonna let me see what happened every time.
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:40.880
I get it.
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.079
I am weak.
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:46.559
No, but for real.
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.239
No, it is.
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.079
And yeah.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.960
But again, okay, so but okay.
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.000
What about in this book specifically?
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.599
Were the consequences deserved?
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.519
So hell yes.
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.639
Even even with everything that we're questioning everything?
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:07.840
Yes.
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:08.480
Listen.
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:09.199
Okay.
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:10.559
Well specifically though.
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.039
Let's let's let's let's okay.
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.119
I would say Paige.
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.000
Um really just Paige.
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:26.079
Because that was like she was like the main the main one.
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:27.840
Girl Peter.
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.360
Now P got his he got his immediately.
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.360
Okay, oh, whoa, hey, hey, okay.
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:34.480
I got another argument.
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.360
Okay, listen.
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:36.079
Okay.
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.960
If it wasn't real, why Pete kill herself?
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:40.880
They okay.
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.960
She says, Paige says, um, after Dina dies.
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:53.840
Yeah, like after Dina dies, um, he has a psych he himself has a psychotic break.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:00.320
And his family like had to institutionalize him himself, and I guess he had gotten out, and then he revamped himself or whatever.
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.360
So he's always struggled with mental health since that was his psychotic break.
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.400
Was Paige dying was Dina dying?
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.599
I wish we knew what was in the letters.
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:10.559
I know.
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:11.440
Yes.
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:13.519
That would clear up so much.
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.679
And I know she didn't tell us on purpose.
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.320
I know.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:17.519
But damn.
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:18.800
I know.
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:25.599
But I still feel like he got to live out his life because his biggest thing was he wants to be a rapper, he wants to be this, he wants to be that.
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.320
Like he still got what it is he wanted.
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.039
Yeah.
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.039
So they all did.
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:35.679
Yeah.
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:43.920
Um, you know, and it was uh one quote said, Is it worth it when you get it?
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.320
Like what you get, is it worth it?
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:52.880
And for both of them, you know, the answer had to be no, because P unlived itself.
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.079
And then Paige was not happy.
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.239
Paige was not present in what she had.
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.960
She, I mean, from the beginning, we can see she has no life in her.
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:12.079
She is not joyful, she is not having a great time with all these riches she has.
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:14.960
That's a common theme to me.
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.639
I feel like there's a lot of people who have everything still are not happy.
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.440
Yes.
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:20.079
Yes.
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.719
Money can sometimes bring more problems than you had before.
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:25.599
It's valid.
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.480
No money mobile.
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:27.599
Because what did you get?
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.239
You know, what did you have to do to get it, you know?
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.239
So I I don't know.
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:40.000
I I'll say if Sophia is who she says she is, if she is right, then they got what they deserved.
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.920
If she not, somebody find Amara and lock her up immediately.
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:46.880
Yeah.
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.719
Yeah, because I mean I'll lock her up.
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.000
I don't think she has to die.
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.440
Like, she got the shit beat out of her by Darius.
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:54.400
Like, that's it.
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.599
She she was plotting.
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:56.639
Yeah, watch them out.
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:58.000
Yes, she was.
00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:58.480
She was.
00:48:58.559 --> 00:48:59.519
Yes, she was.
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:01.360
She was.
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.800
But even with Darius, too, like, it was one of those books too where it was like everybody needs therapy.
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:07.679
Everybody needs therapy.
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:09.119
Oh my god.
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:10.320
Because what do you mean, Darius?
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.840
You're a grown man and you're you're you're you're sent back to your childhood right now.
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.599
And you snapped on her.
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.239
Yes, because he see Tamika or like unresolved childhood trauma.
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.280
Like, go incel ass freaking manosphere.
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:24.880
Like, oh my god.
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:25.760
Go to therapy.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:26.320
Everybody.
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:27.599
I mean Amara for real.
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.800
Like she really needs it, but they all do.
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.679
The realest one though was Rico.
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.760
Rico had busts into everybody.
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:36.079
Yeah.
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.760
He beat Amara with lying.
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.000
Yeah.
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:39.039
From the beginning.
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:40.320
Yeah.
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:40.800
Yep.
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:41.920
Followed her.
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:42.880
Helped his man.
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:44.159
He knows she done beat some.
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:49.519
Now, granted, we don't condone any type of domestic violence or anything like that, but your man done beat somebody up.
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.159
He's about to go help you out, so both of y'all don't go to jail.
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.159
Like he was who he was.
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.199
He was that from the beginning to the end.
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:57.599
Yes.
00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.360
And he ain't tell nobody no lies.
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:00.559
He ain't tell no stories.
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:00.880
Yes.
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.639
I feel like Jackie too.
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:03.360
Yeah.
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.079
Yeah.
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.840
And the only thing Jackie was a real one.
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:06.880
And she was a good friend.
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:07.519
Yes, she was.
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:19.360
Because even like she says too where it's like when she's helping Amara, like she tells Page 2, like, oh, my brother's doctor said, like, sometimes you have to feed into their delusions so they don't snap.
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.760
So you just kind of play along.
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.679
So I think that's what made me like question it too.
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.079
Because I'm like, okay, well, if your friend is helping you too, so you must be fine.
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.840
But then the text.
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:34.320
No.
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:35.039
Yeah.
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:35.519
Yeah.
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:41.039
But then she said, but then she even tells Pedrick she gets a text, but like, is the text because Jackie never really saw the text.
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.679
She just told Jackie about the text.
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.320
So it's like, mmm.
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.920
But who goes to like a random address?
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:55.519
And then I was trying to figure out exactly where she found the artifact because she said it was some grass that wasn't really whole grown.
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:56.880
And then something shifted.
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.280
I was like, okay, so was it hidden in like a cave or something?
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:00.400
Like, ah, yeah, probably.
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:01.679
Even then, because it didn't.
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.639
Where she got it from.
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:03.840
I think it was one of those things too.
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:13.440
Like, maybe like she had, because then the artifact was supposed to come from class, so maybe it was like one of those things where she like pulled out of her pocket or something.
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:14.079
I don't know.
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:15.760
And like plant, I don't know.
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:16.639
Yeah.
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.400
I don't know.
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:20.559
See, it was this is good.
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.199
Let's get into the title though.
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:24.800
Nemesis.
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:34.320
I'm even I know I have the question, why do you think Harper Black chose that name?
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:42.320
I loved it.
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:42.719
Yeah.
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:43.599
I loved it.
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:48.639
Because I thought it was a very nice reveal that it was Omara who was nemesis.
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:50.880
I thought that was a lovely reveal.
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.880
I love how she wrote that.
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.079
And she was a nemesis.
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.599
She was everybody nemesis.
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:58.320
She was not.
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:00.960
She lied to everybody.
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:02.960
She was she hated her mama.
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.360
She was, I mean, she ended up taking her out.
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.199
And she was the nemesis.
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:08.159
She surely was.
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:17.280
And this whole, I feel like the whole time we were reading, I was under the impression that maybe nemesis would be kind of just like a general idea.
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:24.800
To know that it was an actual because I didn't know that that was an actual character in mythology.
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.480
Or a word, I guess.
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:27.039
I don't know.
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.199
I didn't I didn't know that that was a thing.
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.000
Let me look that up.
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.199
But for Amara to be Nemesis, that I thought that was great.
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:50.719
Especially if it it happened the way it said it happened, because quite literally, all y'all have done me wrong, and then this child growing in whoever womb it is is literally coming back to get it back and blend with everybody.
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.719
Oh, oh, wait, here.
00:52:53.280 --> 00:53:01.440
Nemesis is the ancient Greek goddess of divine retribution, righteous indignation, and cosmic balance.
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:10.239
The ancient Greeks viewed her not as a malicious villain, but as a neutral and necessary force, keeping the universe fair and balanced.
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.920
When she was driving off, what was it?
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:22.239
That's a fine.
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:30.320
And it says here too that like she she targeted mortals and sometimes gods who disp who displayed extreme arrogance and excessive pride.
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:34.079
Perfect P.
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:35.199
Pride.
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.039
Sounds like pride to me.
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:38.400
Yes.
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.039
Oh my god.
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.760
Yeah, it says balance has been restored is what she said.
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.960
Balance has been restored.
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:49.599
Mm-mm.
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.320
Proper Black did a great job with this overall research and time together.
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:55.360
I love that.
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:56.239
That was good.
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:57.920
Oh my god.
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:05.360
Because just the amount like the name Amara, like when you read out what the meanings were, that just blew my mind.
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:06.079
Yes.
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:10.719
Like she made an entire character encompassing all of those meanings.
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:13.119
Like, girl, she bear a big one.
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:13.920
Yes, she did.
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:14.400
She did.
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:15.199
Oh my god.
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:15.599
Okay.
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.480
Let's.
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.199
We've been talking about mental health a lot.
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.360
And perception.
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:40.960
So the book repeatedly asks us to question Amara's perception even before we find out that she maybe, maybe not, I don't know, has paranoid schizophrenia.
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.400
So I don't know.
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:55.119
There, you know, there is a distinction, and having a mental health condition, I was saying this earlier, it doesn't mean that somebody can't recognize the truth.
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.280
And that's what makes you know the story uncomfortable.
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:03.840
Because if everybody believes you're unreliable, then what happens when you're actually telling the truth?
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.559
Exactly.
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:07.840
Exactly.
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:28.079
And yeah, I know I have the question, like, if you felt the book handle that theme effectively, which I think given our discussions so far, obviously, obviously, and I think it was used too as a mechanism to make us doubt her.
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:35.760
Because even with the pills, her throwing the pills out at the time, it could be anything.
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.760
Like she can have pills for anything.
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:38.880
We don't know.
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.159
And then when the whole paranoid schizophrenia is like, she said they were for anxiety.
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:42.719
Yeah.
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:43.360
Yeah.
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:44.239
You know?
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:52.480
And I mean, when you when you get to that part where it said that she has paranoid schizophrenia, it's just like, oh, wait, wait a second.
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.599
So what about X, Y, and Z?
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:57.519
And then Rikia, you're running off, but what about Justin?
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:10.559
Like we have a chapter about Justin that supposedly has nothing to do with the Justin part and then the perfect P part happens before Amara gets all of these things.
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.840
So it's like, how do these things even I don't know?
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:21.360
And even like when you said Tia, like where it's like it doesn't necessarily mean they're not telling the truth or can't recognize the truth.
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:27.760
Because even if you think about it too, like even like children, they say they say children are so close to the spiritual world already.
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.639
And then once they get to a certain age, it gets kind of like closed off.
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.519
Like I think as they start to see certain things and realize certain things, it's like I'll never forget.
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:43.920
Like when I was a kid, my grandfather and my mom's side died before I was born.
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.880
And one day my mom was like showing me a picture of him.
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:58.639
I don't remember if she was showing me a picture of him or if I if I pointed to a picture of him, and I was like, Oh, he I was with him when I was in your tummy.
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.159
Like, like he like he like took care of me, yeah.
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:09.519
And then so of course my mom's like and you know, my mom was a hippie growing up, so of course she's like, Oh my god.
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:16.239
Oh my god, even now she's like, You're so in tune with this.
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:32.000
So it's like, and you hear stories about kids saying stuff like that, and it's like you're gonna believe a kid because one thing kids are gonna do, they're gonna, they're just gonna say the randomest stuff you're gonna be like, what the hell is that?
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.840
Right, and you always believe a child, a child is not gonna lie to you, yeah.
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:37.199
That's all listen.
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:41.599
I always say if a kid says you're ugly or you're pretty, you're ugly or you're pretty.
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.880
Like that's what they don't they don't be caring.
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:45.360
No, yeah.
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:54.800
Yeah, they just see it for what it is, and this, you know, this kind of goes back to my my belief.
00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:07.519
Like, I I truly believe that certain things that are considered mental illness is you know just a connection to the spirit world that maybe they can't connect to or can't handle their connection to.
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.239
And I I truly believe that.
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.880
Now, again, again, for all of those listening, if you own some please take your pills.
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.639
I'm not telling nobody not to take nothing.
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:17.840
I promise you I'm not.
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:18.880
We're not giving medical advice.
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:19.760
I promise you, I'm not.
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:21.760
I am not giving medical advice.
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:27.199
Okay, I'm just telling you my personal experience and my personal experiences.
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.239
Okay, okay, personal.
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:28.559
Okay.
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.599
But kids are very connected.
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:39.840
You know, I I truly believe that I I was when I was little too, my mom used to say, Oh, she played with the angels.
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.480
I'm sure, pretty sure people that's a common thing.
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:49.760
I'm not sure, but you know, babies playing with angels when they're, you know, little little bitty babies, and the older you get, you know, a lot of that closes off.
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.559
But if it doesn't close off, now you're weird.
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.679
Even though when you were a baby, it was cool.
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:56.880
You know what I'm saying?
00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.159
Yeah.
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.159
So I don't know.
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:05.519
It I think this book handled that very in a very cool way, got you thinking.
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.400
Because again, we don't know nothing for sure.
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.239
You know, we can only go off our own experiences.
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:25.440
But as as as in-depth as I think the spiritual world is with the real world and how interconnected it is, I tend to lean towards believing somebody.
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.079
If they say they saw something, I'm gonna believe it.
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.119
Unless, you know, they scared me.
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.599
But I mean because who are we to say even then?
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:36.320
It's like, I don't know.
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:43.039
Yeah, because even I think there's a part of the book too where it's like who are we to say what is real or what isn't.
00:59:43.199 --> 01:00:02.800
I think she says it at the end of the book too when it happens, because like I don't know if you've seen on TikTok, there's some people who um are schizophrenic and they paint what they see when they're having episodes.
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:04.800
That's just scary as hell.
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.039
Like, it's terrifying.
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.159
So it's especially situations like that.
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:12.800
I'm not gonna tell no, no, you didn't see that.
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.639
But I would like to give I would like to add a caveat here, okay?
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:26.880
As somebody who is very interested in the subject, just because of my uncle and things I've experienced personally, schizophrenia doesn't look the same everywhere.
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:27.760
It's valid.
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:28.559
Yes.
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:38.719
In America, it looks like scary images for a lot of people, but I feel like a lot of that has to do with the perception of schizophrenia in the West.
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.639
In other countries, it's not scary.
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.159
They're not seeing scary things.
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:50.159
They're seeing positive things or nice things, but they're considered oracles or they're considered prophets.
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:51.440
You get what I'm saying?
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:56.480
And again, not saying that there is not some chemical imbalance.
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:06.800
Because it could be, but what I'm saying is um the fact that there is a difference means it to me says something.
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:07.920
Yeah.
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:24.239
And even so, to bring my uncle into this again, I have seen my uncle in the in unmedicated, okay, in psychosis, active psychosis, write out some crazy looking math.
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.760
Okay, and as somebody who likes math, I'm gonna try to look at it and see if it's something makes sense here.
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:33.280
And some of it will make sense, okay?
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.199
So it's one of those things.
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:41.440
It is, it is perception, and that's what the author is saying all throughout the book.
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:42.639
It's perception.
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:44.159
And she says that at the end, too.
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:51.840
Like the last like she leaves you with like the the last four lines are truth, is never a matter of fact, it's a matter of perception.
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:56.400
The question is not which version is true, only which one you choose.
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.039
And we speak hear that all the time.
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:03.599
Where it's like when people say, Oh, there's three versions of a story yours, mine, and the truth.
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:04.400
The truth.
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:08.079
Two people can have a conversation with each other, and think about it.
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:19.920
If you're having an argument with your significant other, they say something, you perceive it a certain way, but how I say it, how he might say it might not even be what they're trying to connect.
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:35.280
But but in my brain, because of my experience, because of how my brain works, it's gonna be perceived a certain way, and it might be something react off that perception, yes, right, yes, and then a couple days later I'm sitting there like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that.
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:36.960
You know, I gotta go say sorry.
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:43.920
Yeah, I mean act like that, but like you know how many times I've sorry, how many times I've like I've gone to therapy.
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.599
I'm like, we got into this argument, this was that.
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:50.719
My therapist is looking at me like, can I tell you something?
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.039
Um you were wrong.
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.079
I was like, you're not supposed to say that.
01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:56.719
Well damn.
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:58.079
I was like, shit.
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:00.639
Thanks for letting me know now.
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:01.840
Now it's four days later.
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.360
I'm not gonna apologize four days later.
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:04.960
Like, it's done.
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.719
It happened already.
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:09.920
I'm file that away for next time.
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:10.559
Yes, yes.
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:11.280
Really quick.
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:15.360
I'm gonna the biggest twist, the biggest twist, there were a lot of twists.
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:16.159
Let's talk about twists.
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:17.679
What to you?
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:20.719
What was the biggest, like what the hell?
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.840
Because what the hell moment for you?
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:35.199
I think that's multiple, like you said, but I feel like my biggest one was Darius and Smoke being the same person, and mama and daughter is messing with him.
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:37.199
Okay, okay, okay.
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:37.920
Yeah.
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:39.840
That one blew my mind.
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.159
That threw me for a loop.
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.079
I didn't see it coming at all.
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:45.840
I had no inkling.
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:48.320
Okay.
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.639
So I'm gonna be that person.
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.639
I didn't have many what the hell moments.
01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:57.760
Really?
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:05.440
Yeah, because like T knows, because I'm I'm over on page 46, my note on page port 46, where she's in the car with her mom, and she's like, I don't know who my dad is.
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.000
My note literally says perfect pee question mark.
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:13.599
Because she literally texted to me, I'm like, this bitch.
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.320
And then and then at one point I text her, I was like, I don't think Paige is her mom.
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:26.800
I think of Mark, because there's a part of the story where it's like when they're taking the picture, Harper says perfect P is in front of her, covering her stomach.
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:28.639
Why is he covering her stomach?
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.639
The bitch is pregnant, that's why.
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:38.800
So there are parts where I'm my friend where it's like watching some stuff is kind of annoying because I'm gonna figure it out.
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:46.079
That ADHD pattern recognition is on like a hundred at all times, but I still loved it.
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:52.719
But I would say like my biggest, my biggest what the hell moment was the ending because it was like, that's it.
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:54.079
That's it.
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.000
You're just gonna she kills her mom and then we're done.
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:01.519
I think her I wasn't expecting her the killing the mom part.
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:02.480
I wasn't expecting that.
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.480
That's my biggest what the hell.
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:10.960
Because I'm like, okay, she's gonna go and she's gonna go to her little psychiatric ward.
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.320
She's gonna get better, and everything's gonna be fine.
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:19.039
Because at that at that point, I'm like, okay, the I'm not believing her.
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.320
Paige is telling the truth.
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.480
Yeah, she's a shitty person, but you know, she's telling the truth.
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:31.760
So I think my that's my biggest thing was like her her getting shot and dying was the biggest thing.
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:37.920
Yeah, and then she goes back, BC reverse, and she's and then actually no, let me stop.
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.360
That was a what the hell moment.
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.920
Her planning the out the murder with Rico and smoke.
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:44.079
Yeah, that was my what the hell moment.
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.880
Yes, that's one thing I couldn't I couldn't that didn't get me.
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:50.320
That part that part didn't get me.
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:59.119
But I was like, that's crazy to me, and she got away with it, yeah, by way of insanity, literally.
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:01.599
They all did.
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:04.239
Like, yeah.
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:04.960
Oh my god.
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:09.440
For me, it was it was that the planning of Paige's murder.
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:14.320
It was Darius's smoke because again, I did not see that coming at all.
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:15.840
I was like, oh no way.
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:17.840
Like I literally screamed when I was reading.
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:18.639
I was excited.
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:21.440
Oh my god, she's fucking smoke.
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.199
That spicy scene was really good.
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:24.400
It wasn't it?
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:25.679
That was okay.
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:26.880
The one in the car?
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:28.719
I was like the car scene.
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:29.920
Yeah, I was just like, wow.
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:30.960
Yeah.
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.039
Paige was ruthless, honey.
01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:33.840
She really wasn't.
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:36.480
And it was what she came for.
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.719
And what are you doing?
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:40.000
You're not going to lunch with me.
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.199
Like, I'm trying to get a nut.
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:41.840
Like, that's it.
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:42.719
But it was that scene.
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:43.679
Laughing at him.
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.760
That scene where I was like, oh god, I was like, girl, please stop.
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.079
Cause he he's he's probably he's gonna do something new.
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:50.639
Cause you're just you're too much.
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:52.880
Talking outside of your neck.
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:53.599
Yeah.
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:54.400
For real.
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.920
She should have known when she heard him say she that he loved her.
01:06:58.159 --> 01:06:59.679
She should have stopped it right there.
01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:01.920
That's why I knew he was also kind of crazy.
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:02.480
Yeah.
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:04.960
Because that was like, what, their second time meeting?
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.599
That was probably why you and Lamar liked each other so much.
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:13.199
Because they were both like, yeah, what their second or third time, and he was like, I I love you.
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.079
And she was like, okay.
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.079
You say something.
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:19.360
Yeah.
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.280
That's basically what she did too.
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:22.800
It's like, huh?
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:23.519
What'd you say?
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.320
Okay, thank you.
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:28.400
Thanks.
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.000
Oh my goodness.
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:34.000
So with the ending, I already said I didn't.
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:35.920
Okay, with the ending.
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:48.559
Do you think she wrote the ending to be ambiguous because she wants you to think about everything?
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:54.000
Or was it an ending where you were just like, wait, what?
01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:58.000
How did you guys feel about that?
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:13.360
Was it like again, I'm gonna ponder everything, or like I was left in silence for a little bit because I'm like I I think she definitely wanted this to be something that was conversation worthy.
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:19.760
She succeeded because like you, when I finished this book, I thought about it for days.
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.800
I was like, oh my goodness.
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.680
Like I I couldn't figure it out, and I still can't.
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:27.119
I still can't figure it out.
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.560
I can't be sure what actually is true.
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:37.359
And she did a great job presenting both sides in a way that you can believe both sides.
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:38.720
It's true.
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.319
Either one could be, and yes, there's no obvious answer.
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:50.079
So while I was like, huh, it was in a good way.
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:54.000
Yes.
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:56.479
Oh my god.
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:08.239
I think I agree with you, Tia, because for her to write this in such a way that is making everybody think, I don't think she would have just gave us an ending that she felt like fell flat.
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:10.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.800
There's no wrapping it up with a story like this.
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:13.359
No.
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.159
Cause even I was thinking about it before I went to bed.
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:18.720
I'm thinking about it when I'm up in the morning, get ready for work.
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:24.319
Like, literally, like having conversations with myself as to like, hold on.
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:24.880
Again.
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:25.840
What about this?
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:26.880
Yes, again.
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.840
The always signing meme where it's like listen to me.
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:30.720
I have to figure this out.
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.119
Yeah.
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:37.760
So the final verdict, final ratings, one to five stars.
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:39.439
I give a five.
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:40.800
What about you?
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:44.720
Definitely agree.
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:45.359
Yes.
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:46.960
Five.
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:48.319
Big five.
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:51.359
Oh my goodness.
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:55.359
This book is one of those books that scratched an itch for me.
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:57.840
Like it scratched a mental itch.
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:00.479
Like, oh yeah, that's that's good right there, girl.
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:00.880
Like, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I think she said in the beginning of the book too, like, she had an author's number where she rewrote it.
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Because it had come out like what, 10 years ago or something like that.
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And then she rewrote it under a different name.
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Yeah.
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And she like tweaked it a little bit.
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So I would love to know what the original one was like with that.
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.039
But this is I need to read more of her stuff.
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Yeah.
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I don't um I don't know if y'all read the um the prologue she wrote or the author's note at the end.
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:38.479
But she said she actually wrote this when she was actively like exploring spirituality and looking into Gnosticism herself.
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Which is which I thought was really cool.
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Yeah.
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I thought it was really cool because it's like, okay, you're actually writing this from a place of I understand what Gnosticism is and applying those um tenets to the story and in like in this way.
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It was crazy.
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Yeah, amazing.
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:05.680
I have a book of hers in my um Kindle library right now called The James.
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And it just came out.
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It's a murder mystery.
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I will definitely be reading it.
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:11.359
It's ambiguous endings.
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I would I would just see the reaction, just to piss them off.
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Just irritate the thing.
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This might drive somebody off the wall if they don't like ambiguous endings because this is the most ambiguous ending that you could possibly have.
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But I like stuff like that.
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Yeah, I like being a little like what at the end.
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If I'm not like a little what at the end, I it probably was a little boring to me.
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This is true.
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Yeah, that's true.
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:49.520
So yeah, that was our discussion of Nemesis by Harper Black.
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Thank you, Miss Black.
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Amazing.
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Yes.
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So good.
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So let us know your theory.
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Yes.
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Let us know your theory because we know people are gonna interpret the ending differently.
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:13.119
Um, since the holidays are coming up, our next episode will be our season two finale because life is lifey.
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I can't believe it's we're closing out another season.
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That's we did it.
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:19.279
We did it, Joe.
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We did it, Joe! Oh my god.
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So exciting.
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Like, wow, we really did that for the day.
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We did.
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And since it's Fuki season, we'll be reading The Vampires of El Norte by Isabel Canyas, which I'm excited about because Tia is scared of vampires.
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:42.479
Y'all know I don't fuck with vampires.
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I'm gonna read it though.
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:45.039
Jesus.
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I ain't scared of a lot.
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:47.600
I'm scared of vampires.
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:49.840
Oh my god.
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:53.039
What's that book you tried to get me to read last uh couple years ago?
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.439
It was called she gave it back to me.
01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:00.640
Okay, so my thing, so we So Tia Which is crazy because again, we've talked about this before.
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Tia loves Stephen King.
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Okay?
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:08.159
One of my favorite horror um authors is Grady Hendricks.
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I love him.
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:10.640
I read almost everything he has.
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:17.439
So the book was the Southern Book Club, the Southern Book Club's guide to slaying vampires.
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:18.960
I don't even know.
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I don't even maybe she just read the title.
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Maybe she's just on the page like five.
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And that was it.
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Yeah, I just gave it back.
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:31.520
I'm not gonna read it.
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:36.960
And it really was just like it's a good, it's one of my favorite books.
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I love that book.
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But she was like, absolutely not.
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:53.920
So I even though Tia's challenged during this break after this is to read Dracula because she's never read Dracula before.
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And the only reason I'm reading it, audience, is because I want her to read a book called The Library and Mountchar.
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We will not be talking about them on this podcast because it is a white author.
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:10.239
However, it is a great book.
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:12.399
It is a great book, and I want her to read it.
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.319
But she said I have to read Dracula.
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:15.920
Now I have read all the classics.
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I have not read Dracula.
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.119
I never intended to, but I will.
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.359
Did you read Frankenstein?
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:23.279
Yeah.
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If I watched a movie, I'm not going back in.
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.800
Frankenstein wasn't all there for me, the book.
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.600
It wasn't all that for me, but I did read it.
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.119
But Dracula, I have never had any interest.
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.119
I would have been outside.
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:44.800
I would have been outside.
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.600
I say I would have burnt myself up in the building.
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.239
You would have been like Grace, you would have done what she did.
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:51.600
She would have been like.
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:56.319
Yeah, I'm just going to go to the back real quick ahead of myself because y'all ain't gonna get me.
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I'm scared.
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.760
Honestly, to me, the scariest thing about being a vampire is like I you can't have food.
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.319
Like that is my biggest worry.
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Not that you can't go out.
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.439
Yes, I'm not gonna have food.
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:12.960
Like, are you seriously?
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.960
I can't eat anything?
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:16.319
That's crazy.
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:18.880
Like and outliving people.
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:19.680
That's it.
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:20.479
Yes, that's it.
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:21.279
That would hurt.
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:22.239
That would hurt.
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:24.079
But obviously, you see where my mind goes.
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:25.760
It's no food.
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:27.840
I can't eat food.
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:28.880
Oh my god.
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:30.399
You can't eat garlic no more.
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:31.039
See no.
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.239
Like, come on.
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:33.600
That's some problem for me.
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:34.239
I love garlic.
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:35.039
I don't know everything.
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:35.520
Oh my god.
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:44.079
I'm in how to no, I was gonna have an idea for a vampire book to go around it, but I don't want anybody taking my idea, so I'm gonna give it to myself in a way.
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:45.279
I'll tell you when we stop recording.
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Take my stuff.
01:15:46.960 --> 01:16:00.800
Okay, so um once again, thank you so much for joining us for um this episode or less our next book, our season finale, is once again The Vampires of El Norte by Isabel Canyas.
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And as always, grab your drink.
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:22.319
Grab your book and come in the story that I think it'll be so funny.
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:26.560
Come to the store with this y'all.
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:27.039
That's it.
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We're done.
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:28.560
Yeah, let's get it together.
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:31.359
Obviously.
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Oh my god.
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Bye.
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Bye.