Pruning Your Life

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This is a familiar Wilsons Media Production.
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John Spence is recognized as one of the foremost business thought leaders in the world, a global top 100 business thinker and advisor to companies from startups to the Fortune 10.
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But it didn't start that way.
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In college, John hit rock bottom, kicked out of one university and rejected by another.
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That's when he made a decision to change his attitude and take a systematic approach to building the life he wanted.
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Through hard work and relentless learning, he went on to create a life full of meaning, joy, and connection.
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I'm Josh Wilson, and this is Notes for an Awesome Life with John Spence.
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We invite you to join us in conversation as John shares with us the lessons, habits, and tools that he used and that you can use to build an awesome life.
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Welcome to Notes for an Awesome Life with John Spence.
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I'm Josh Wilson.
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Surprise, surprise, I'm John Spence.
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Surprise, surprise, John Spence.
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John, we just released the episode where we discussed your cancer journey and great, great response to that.
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Yeah, and thank you for some people sent us some really nice notes, some questions.
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Uh, you saw one I got to answer yesterday.
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I'm just so glad that people interacted with that.
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You always ask at the end what we're grateful for.
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I'll say at the beginning, I'm grateful that we were able to share that information.
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It was very helpful to a lot of people.
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Yeah, now it's interesting because we're recording this episode, but there's one that we recorded between the cancer episode and this one, and it's all about me.
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So I'm really interested to see what the numbers do between John's journey and then Josh's journey.
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And we will we will see how that one goes, and we will report back next time.
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But today I want to talk a little bit about pruning.
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Now, you've got a lovely backyard that you love to um to brag about on your socials as well.
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You should.
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Now, I would can only assume that you put in the hard work to prune all those plants so that they are pristine and beautiful the way I see them.
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No, the vegetables and herbs and stuff I handled that, but the rest of the yard, I the when we moved into our property 20-something years ago, we took it down to mud.
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A couple of huge oak trees, but literally mud.
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Now our house is on the garden tour most years, and I can take zero credit for that.
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A guy named Doug Hopkins was the landscape architect from day one and is still there.
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And him and his crew uh take care of the yard.
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But you know, I don't drive an expensive car, I don't have a boat or any of that stuff.
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I don't wear jewelry.
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My most expensive guilty pleasure is having a an absolutely magnificent.
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I think we have like 70 or 80 rose bushes back there and you know, fruit trees and all that stuff.
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It's only two acres, but it is an oasis.
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And uh I do very little pruning back there, but I still understand the concept.
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Well, sure.
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And and if needed on this topic, perhaps we can have Doug uh Hopkins call in, you know, if if he needs to give us any advice on pruning.
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But I do want to talk about this idea of pruning.
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And we talk about this in different ways on other episodes, but I think that it's such an important concept that we need to hit it from different directions.
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Um, because we spend a lot of our lives asking additive questions.
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What should I learn?
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What else should I accomplish?
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What else should I?
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What new thing should I start?
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What new people do I need to meet?
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What thing do I need to purchase now to make my life this or that?
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The question I think that probably is more important than that, what needs to go?
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Agreed.
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You can get overwhelmed.
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I'm I'm actually working on uh this morning a new guidebook on the on strategy.
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And my my fundamental ideas on business strategy is that at some level it's the allocation of scarce resources.
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And one of the things a great strategic thinker does is figuring out what to say no to.
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Uh and I think it applies.
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I mean, we have we have one resource that is extremely scarce, time, uh, our lives, that in my opinion needs to be protected pretty carefully and allocated very, very, very carefully, which then means that you have to get good at using the word that a lot of people struggle with is no, no, I'm not gonna spend time with that person.
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I'm not gonna do that activity anymore.
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Uh, I'm not gonna spend time on this or whatever it might be.
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Uh, and that could be hard for some folks.
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Oh, sure.
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It's hard for me.
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It's a thing that I've had to learn.
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But you're right when you talk about our scarce and limited resources.
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You mentioned time, attention, emotional energy, physical energy, and presence.
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Those are the ones that I can think of.
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Money, money, oh, absolutely money, sure.
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A good example with money is a thing that I'm doing right now.
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I'm auditing how many different streaming services we have and you know, stuff like that.
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Subscriptions, they creep up.
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Subscription creep is a thing.
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And so having to go back and regularly assess oh, I don't need this, I don't need that.
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I needed that for this thing I was doing, but I don't need it now.
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Did you ever have a time in your life where it was difficult for you to say no to people?
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Oh, I still do.
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Oh, talk about that.
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Yeah, I still do, but I've learned something really powerful.
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Like I get people and I love it.
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I'm honored that asked me to help them all the time.
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Will you mentor me?
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Will you coach me?
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And when I say I do get paid for executive coaching, but these are folks, friends, but folks, college students, stuff like that, that want me to join a board or do this or or mentor them or whatever it might be.
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And in the past, I just because I wanted to be helpful, um, I was listening to an audio book today, which we might get into later, on the idea of ambitious usefulness.
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Okay.
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So I wanted to be useful, but then I realized I'm spending all my time doing things that weren't necessarily, I wasn't really adding a lot of value at the level I wanted to.
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And it was taking away my precious time with my family or my health, or on and on and on.
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So I started putting up a sort of a barrier of if you prove to me by doing some work that I should give you my time, then I'm happy to do it.
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And I think I've mentioned it maybe on one of the past episodes when a college student uh asked me to mentor them.
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I say I'd love to.
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However, I need you to read three books.
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So tell me a subject you're interested in learning about.
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Let's just say leadership.
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I will say I need you to read these three books.
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I want you to write a book report on each.
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Then we're gonna go to breakfast or lunch, and I'm gonna ask you questions.
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So you can't just use Chat GPT or to the, you actually have to understand this.
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If you can make it through those three levels, read, report, and uh meeting, I am absolutely on your team and I'm happy to do everything I can to help you because they will have done the work to prove to me that they're serious.
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Uh, out of the hundreds, literally hundreds over my career of people that have asked me that, only four have ever actually made it and lasted.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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But here's the key idea, Josh, which is I'm genuinely serious that if you will do the work, I will bust my ass to help you.
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Yeah.
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But you've got to continue doing the work because once they say yes, okay, here's another book to read, let's discuss this.
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Here's something.
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So, and I always tell them if you if you don't have time to read the books, we're on your schedule, or if it gets to the point where you have don't have time to prepare for the meetings and stuff, then just we'll just hold off.
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Hold off until you do have the time.
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But I'm not going to give my time if they're not going to invest their time.
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True.
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But the key thing here is I'm not saying no, I'm saying yes, absolutely, if you're willing to show me that it's important to you too.
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It's the old improv trick.
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Yes, and yes, I'll do it.
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And here's some work.
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Yeah, no, I like that.
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I like that.
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So, did something happen for you where you realized that that saying yes was becoming a problem, or was it just a gradual realization?
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It was the disappointment of having people ask me to mentor them and I'd invest a lot of time, take it to lunch, write them off, and nothing would happen.
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They wouldn't take the advice.
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Uh, or they'd they'd ask, you know, we'd have like two meetings, then they disappear.
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Uh, and I thought, well, I've just spent, you know, six hours of my life with someone who didn't really, you know, like if someone shows up for one of those meetings with no notepad, uh, or they're not taking notes on their phone or something, I realize that I've just spent two hours and the person's probably not gonna remember any or very, very little of it.
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That's not, you know, I do the same thing when I meet with executives.
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If I'm gonna meet with somebody to coach them and they show up to a meeting with nothing to write with, I it's already red flag for me of this person isn't serious.
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You know, if we're gonna talk for two hours, they will not be able to remember all of the critical things we said in two hours.
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So when I saw that happening over and over, I realized this is not a good investment.
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There's other places I could invest my time and my talent that would have a higher, I believe, yeah, more be a more useful implementation of my time.
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So let's talk a little bit about the different phases or areas.
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You just talked about giving your time to other people.
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How about versions of one's identity that they maintain even though they've outgrown it?
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In high school, my nickname was Bear.
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The Bear.
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And everybody knew me by that name.
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I'm gonna bet there's a lot of people that didn't know my real name.
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Church.
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Uh, and so everywhere I went, no one called me John, everyone called me Bear.
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Uh, in college, there were still a few people, but after college, I figured it was probably time to retire that and move into John.
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Now, here's the idea.
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The the idea of Bear had a lot of stuff with it.
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The guy that was out partying and drinking and played to the football team and all this stuff and was always joking, cracking jokes and everything.
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And I decided to shift into, well, now I'm gonna be John and be known for the things going forward, my career.
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Here's one of the things I tell people when they move to a new town.
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I say, you get to create a completely new story about yourself.
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You don't have to share, you know, I'm not saying why, but you don't have to talk about your drunken time in college or, you know, your high school football stuff.
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I mean, you can, but you get to you get to decide what information to give people to create their understanding of you or their image of you.
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So I think there's times in your life where you can say, that's who I used to be.
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I'd like to be known as a different person going forward.
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Uh and you and I talked about it that I've I've had folks from my you know youth that have said, Wow, you've really changed, Bear.
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Yeah, they're right.
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I I have changed a lot.
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And they kind of looked at you like, but I loved Bear.
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He was fun.
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Like, I'm still fun, but I'm I'm John now.
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I think there's a lot of people out there right now who've not really thought very much about their why, right?
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And therefore they don't really know who they are.
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You and I did this on the show on the show here, the podcast, and it's one I continue to do with my coaching clients is I'm the kind of person who.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it's been really powerful for people to try to dig down and go a couple levels and say, I did not know that I thought that way about myself.
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Uh, and for some of them, like me, I'm the kind of guy that everything always works out for.
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Uh, I had someone challenge me on that the other day.
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Everything doesn't work out for you.
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I'm like, yeah, it does.
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Like, what about this and this and this?
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Those were all horrible.
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And I go, they sure were, but they all taught me something.
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You know, it's cool.
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Well, obviously, that thinks I'm you know not mentally all there, which is true, but at an even higher level.
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But I think that's part, and uh, you know, a phrase came to mind that's not me, that's not who I am.
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I think that's part of changing a little bit your decision about who you want to, who you want to be and the kind of life you want to live.
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Remember again, my saying of be today, what you want them to say when you die.
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That's an great opportunity to make a change in a very positive direction.
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I might have acted this way in the past, Bear, but I've decided to act this way in the future, John.
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And I want you to circle back a little bit and talk about you either call it useful ambition or or ambitious usefulness.
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Yeah, ambitious usefulness.
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That's another one of the things that I had written down for us to talk about.
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And that's this idea of every opportunity looks like a great opportunity.
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This is for I'm listening to a couple books on philosophy right now.
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One I'm really enjoying called The Good Life Method by two philosophy professors from Notre Dame.
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Uh, and this other one I'm listening to is really interesting, Josh, because I vehemently disagree with the guy who wrote it.
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I'm I am cuss, not cussing him, but I'm like, oh, come on, man.
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Well, I'm listening to in the crowd, I'm like, you can't believe that.
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His idea, he just takes it to an extreme, is your life should be dedicated to being useful, to helping other people.
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And your greatest good should be focused on that.
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And everything in your life should be calibrated to your level of usefulness.
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And his idea is don't be ambitious in the other these other areas that don't really add value to the world.
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Uh, consultants have to be one of the ones on his list.
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Consultants, accountants, lawyers, hedge fund managers.
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Uh, so you start to see the areas he's uh he's focused on.
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But he's like, that's not usefulness, that's ambition.
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And according to him, it would be blind ambition, but it is not useful ambition.
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So I'm struggling now with the idea of and his idea is if you have a lot of talent, you owe the world to focus that talent on something useful at the highest level to the most people.
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And wasting your talent on being a consultant, uh when you could do something much more useful, is uh not just a shame, but he's like it's a it's a waste of your life.
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I mean, he's pretty aggressive.
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It's a waste of your life, right?
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You're hurting the world because you're not using your talents.
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At some level, I understand he's taking it to the extreme, but his idea is be extremely ambitious.
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Want to do the best you can possibly do and achieve it the highest level you possibly can in pursuit of being useful to the most people at the highest level of usefulness, saving lives.
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Okay.
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Um but there um what professions then does he does he bless?
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He hasn't really any.
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I mean, he he's like things that save people's lives, uh, things that help the environment, things that uh, you know, and I'm listening to another one sort of on you, I think it's called utilitarianism, that says, be ambitious, go make a lot of money on Wall Street per se, you know, as a yeah, but then take that money and invest it back in where you can help people.
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Buy nets for uh beds for people in Africa to reduce malaria, or you know, make a million dollars a year and donate half of it to save children in Guatemala or someplace, or in the United States, you know, right here.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh, but that one is you know, be ambitious, but be ambitious to make money to then help people.
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He has not really, I'm that's why I'm still I'm early in the the book, and he is still complaining about all the people that waste this amazing talent where they could be helping more people, but instead they're just helping themselves.
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And that's my my argument is I'm trying to think.
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Oh, here's the one he he really hit on today.
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People who want to just live, you know, create a company that creates passive income.
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They don't hire anybody, they don't have to make any decisions, they don't do any work, they just get money.
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That's the worst form.
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And he just went on and on like, no, passive income is can be great if you take all the free time, help people donate money, go, you know, volunteer, do stuff like that, because you don't have to work all day and you're making plenty of money without having to, and as he said, lift a finger uh of real work.
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So I'm content, even though I'm vehemently opposed to this, I think it's just a great experiment of me to listen to something that I that I don't, at least this far into the book, agree with and challenge my own thinking.
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But it seems to me that that you have already been on that that track.
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You've already told me that that you meet with or you have met with a brain trust of people and who are in your profession of business consulting and business thinking, and that you've encouraged them to lead with love.
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Yeah.
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To this friend of ours who's written this book.
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What the heck's wrong with that?
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I'm sharing ideas and not doing work.
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So let's not go too far down the rabbit hole because I'm only about 45 minutes into a five-hour book.
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Oh, he might turn it around.
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Yeah, yeah, he might turn it around.
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Right now, he's just poking me in the eye, but he might turn it around.
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But it's um, I think that he would say you need a physical impact.
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You need to actually help someone directly versus indirectly teaching an idea that might later impact people.
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Uh, I happen to believe, you know, like I feel very good about the work I do because I try to help businesses be more successful so that they can take better care of their employees and their employees can take better care of their families uh and have the opportunity to live a fuller and happier life.
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Uh, business can't do that, but they can create the conditions that will allow someone to try to do that in their own life.
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I think that's a pretty cool deal because of the ripple effect.
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And so getting back to the this idea of ambition, which is believe it or not, how we started this.
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And yes, I did remember where we started, which is we started with pruning.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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But but the idea that, you know, not every good idea, not every good path, not everything that you are good at is something that you should pursue.
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And that's that's what I'm getting at.
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When we're talking about pruning, oftentimes, you know, what you want to do is you want to prune a healthy branch.
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You're looking at things even when things seem to be going well, and you're assessing and you're saying, yeah, this thing that I'm doing is going well, but it's really drawing time from this other thing that maybe I should be doing.
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And so this idea of reigning in your ambition as well.
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Well, I go back to, and I've been doing a ton of writing lately on different topics, but my idea of when values are clear, decisions are easy.
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That you can back up and look at your life and say, you know, where do I want to be at the end of this life?
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What's the legacy I want to leave?
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What are the values I hold dearest?
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Now let me try to, with my very limited time and resources, prune most of the things, not all, but most of the things that don't align with my values and won't take me in the direction of the life that I hope to live.
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Things that are very attractive and look like fun and exciting, but stepping back and saying what's the long-term goal here?
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Uh, and and I'm not saying do things you don't enjoy.
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I'm just saying that focus on the things you enjoy that match your values and what you hope your life will be.
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And I'm noticeing I also said didn't say all.
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Can you give me an example of something that looked great that you made a conscious decision to say, ah, that's great, but I that doesn't serve me.
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I had thought a little a little while ago about trying to find a group here in Gainesville, uh, and they're here.
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I looked them up of uh people that were studying Stoic philosophy and got together once a week for a couple of hours to talk about Stoicism.
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And I thought, well, you know, I can go over there and I I'll, you know, miss dinner and I'll hang out with them, but we'll be able to talk about stoicism.
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I'll meet some interesting people.
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But then I thought, you know, uh I could do that at home reading and listening to books and doing other stuff and spend time with my wife and the dogs and hang out.
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And for that particular thing, it sounds interesting and I might learn from it, but there's other things I could do to still get that mental stimulation without leaving my family for the evening.
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Okay, so if someone who's listening right now, because I'm always trying to think of the different levels that people are at when they're listening to this podcast, someone right now is feeling totally overwhelmed with their life and they're listening.
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Where would you suggest that they start this process of pruning?
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I I would go back to getting really, really clear on what the most important things in your life are.
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What do you value?
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What do you want your life to stand for?
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What's the legacy you want to leave?
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And then back up and examine everything to say is this really in alignment with that?
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Uh and if you are overwhelmed, here's the hard part.
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We just went back to saying no.
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You know, there's another thing.
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I again I was writing about strategy this morning called sunk costs.
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Is well, I've already been doing this for three years.
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They already know me in the group.
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I've got friends there.
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You know, I don't really like it anymore.
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It's not that much fun, but I don't want to disappoint everybody by not showing up.
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You know, I a big one for me was pruning was boards sitting on boards of directors for charities.
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I would go, we wouldn't accomplish much in the meetings.
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Uh it was rubber stamping stuff.
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It was important to the community, and I was adding value, but that time could have been invested someplace else where it would have made a bigger difference.
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I hated stepping down for the boards.
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I disappointed people, they were unhappy, but their happiness wasn't more important than my own happiness and spending time.
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So being really uh aggressive, I don't know if that's the right word, or disciplined and saying, is this really on a scale of one to ten, is this an 11 that I need to be involved, or is this a three that I'm just it's habit?
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And I don't want to let people down.
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Did that make sense?
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It it it is.
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And and again, the thing that I'm processing as I'm listening is this idea of needing to get comfortable with disappointing people because their priorities aren't your priorities.
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And I think that at the end of the day, you nailed it, that's the the biggest thing that's keeping people back is you know, needing to derive your sense of safety from what other people think of you.
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It's not healthy, it's not good, and it's not going to lead you anywhere you want to be.
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Yeah.
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I I'm coaching a CEO right now of a company that he he has very, very high standards and wants to achieve great things.
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And it happens to be an organization that that is very helpful to society.
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It's in the medical field.
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Uh, and what they do there is literally saves people's lives.
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And he is very serious about that.
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But he's having a hard time because people think he's too demanding and pushing too hard.
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And trying, he's like, no, you don't understand what's at stake here.
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And there's a uh title of a book that I love the title, I didn't love the book, but here it is is The Courage to Be Disliked.
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Yeah.
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Now, maybe the framing of that word isn't exactly it, but it's the courage to for people not to be happy, to you know, to be disappointed in you, or to think what you what you're trying to accomplish is unfair or too hard, and because of that, you're too hard or you're unfair.
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If you really want to accomplish great things, there will be always be people that don't like you.
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Uh that's part of life.
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Uh what was that someone said, your opinion of me is none of my business?
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I like that.
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All right, John.
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Now it's the time for you to give us some homework.
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What's our homework?
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I would write down all the places that you're involved in now.
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Uh the time where you spend your time.
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Look at it.
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Write down, literally, write down a list of how you allocate your time, uh, and then score all of it.
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You know, this you know me, I'm very logical in this.
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And score it on a scale of one to ten.
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Ten minutes is an awesome use of my time.
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It makes me happy, it gives me joy, I enjoy it, it's good for me.
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Uh it aligns with my values, it's helping me become the kind of person I truly want to be, all the way down to a one, two, or a three of I this is just a habit.
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I'm doing it just because I've always done it, and and then be disciplined to say, all right, how can I prune uh anything below a four or anything below a five?
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Uh and you can't do it all at once.
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It's not like I'm asking you to quit everything tomorrow, but how can you slowly prune one branch and then maybe a couple weeks later, a couple months later, prune another one and slowly regain that time.
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And importantly, take that time and invest it in the areas that are eights, nines, and tens.
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As I was putting together the material for this, I went through and we talked about some of the different areas in life.
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I'm just going to share with you my list and maybe that also would be helpful for folks.
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So we talked about um assessing relationships and then commitments and then your identity, those things that that version of yourself that you're trying to maintain, even though you've outgrown it.
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Possessions, boy, I'll tell you what, in around my house, if stuff starts to build up, that is a mental and emotional drain.
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And financial.
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And financial too.
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And people kind of know about that.
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But it's the idea, especially when you've got ADHD like me, clutter is oppressive.
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And so getting rid of stuff helps me think.
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Um, ambition, we mentioned information.
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What are you allowing into your head every day that's not making your life better?
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Are you just doom scrolling?
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How is that helping?
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And then, you know, calendar obligations as you talked about.
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So those are just some of the things that I think that that folks can take and make a list, like you're saying.
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And you will probably be shocked.
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Just like I was shocked when I sat down and looked at all the the list of the damn um subscriber services that I have.
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The same thing's gonna happen with these other things, I would, I would bet.
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I would imagine that as well.
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All right, John.
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That is our time for today.
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Folks, thanks for listening.
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Shout out to Victor.
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We talked to Victor this week.
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Thank you, Victor.
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If you want to find out more about John Spence, go to JohnSpence.com.
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See, that's how easy John makes things for us and names things what they are, and that's helpful.
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So go to johnspence.com to find out who the heck John Spence is.
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All right, folks.
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So until next week, I'm Josh Wilson.
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That guy there is John Spence.
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Y'all go out and have an awesome life.