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Speaker 1: Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Alex.
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Speaker 3: I'm a first-time caller.
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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan.
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Speaker 1: I love your work.
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Speaker 4: I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. We are a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Speaker 2: And act as the most professional broadcasters in the history of Twitch.
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Speaker 4: I am telling you what. Audio issues?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 6: Never have them. We got a staff on that shit.
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Speaker 4: It turns out I know nothing about audio settings. But I do know a lot about Alex Jones, and you do not.
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Speaker 6: I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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Speaker 4: And therein we find our fun, our dynamic, and what have you. How are you doing today, Jordan? I don't know if you've ever done that before. I'm very on my heels.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever asked me how I'm doing in our friendship. I don't know if that's ever happened.
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Speaker 4: I'm very back on my heels because of these tech issues. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I'm falling back to my freezing point tactics, which would be... I'd be sitting across from someone. How you doing? Hey, how about you vamp for a little bit? Let's see if that starts a conversation.
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this right now. Having some trouble with my rent.
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Speaker 4: Okay. That's not good. All right.
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Speaker 6: Got somebody squatting in there illegally.
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Speaker 4: Who I asked to do so. Allegedly illegally.
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Speaker 7: What?
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Speaker 4: I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. That's a good thing no one can hear us. Yeah, that's a good point. So this is a podcast.
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Speaker 2: If we were famous enough for the people that I rent from to know who we are, we would also be famous enough for me to pay my rent on time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point. So this is a podcast where we sit around and talk about Alex Jones. That is what we do.
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Speaker 2: And rent-related issues.
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Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely. Rent, I know, is too damn high. And it's too damn high. So today, as we're recording this, it is November 27th. Cyber Monday, or also known as the day that Alex Jones announced he was going to do a 36-hour live marathon. We discussed it on our last episode, and he did. He did. He is right now. As we speak. And I listened to Alex Jones' show during it, and it was at every intention, the purest of heart intention, to cover that. That was going to be what we covered on today's episode. Absolutely. Absolutely. But it was all fucking advertisements. That's not good. It was all commercials for products. And I just don't know how we cover that. You know, there was almost no content in it to the point where I was just like I was getting mad at it.
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Speaker 6: If we do that, eventually we're selling his product.
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Speaker 4: Kind of. Yeah. There was a part of it that was like, but I have one clip.
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Speaker 6: In which case we should join his pyramid scheme.
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Speaker 4: Might as well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Part of Infowars team.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I do have one clip from today, and it was just a beautiful moment of irony because I turned on the live stream of his show, and there was an ad before it. Of course. And it's very interesting to hear this ad and then the show start and see the juxtaposition of the two.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 9: Hey, Chicago.
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Speaker 2: The Amazon Smart Home Experience is now available at a Kohl's in your neighborhood.
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Speaker 8: I have harangued everybody around me to not use Amazon for years. We were off of Amazon for years.
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Speaker 4: I turned it on. That's fantastic. I was like, what the fuck is going on? I love that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That is great. Amazon is paying for advertisements on his broadcast.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen anything happen that quickly as far as a sponsor getting shit on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: It was whiplash. That is crazy. Yeah. I was pretty blown away. But the rest of it was all just like completely boring ads. And we have no reason to talk about it. But I asked you, Jordan, earlier today. Indeed you did. Never done this before. First time ever. I asked you to choose a day from history for us to go back to, to do a time travel episode for. Because, again, I am not quite prepared to do that time travel episode that one of our policy walks has requested us do.
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Speaker 6: And so I did, and I picked a date, and how did we go?
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Speaker 4: We went back to, you said December 21st. Of 2014.
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Speaker 6: I meant to say December 17th or 18th.
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Speaker 4: No, you meant to say December 12th. That is when you meant to say. That is when the torture report.
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Speaker 2: I mean to say a lot of things. Oh, I transposed the numbers. Okay, that was what happened.
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Speaker 4: Your intention was to go back and see what Alex Jones had to say about the torture report. It came out that I gave you a two year anniversary of when the world ended. Right. Yeah, basically. And we're going to get to all the goings on. You accidentally stumbled onto a very amazing episode. For a number of reasons.
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Speaker 6: Very condescending of you.
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Speaker 4: No, I mean, you had no way of knowing what's coming.
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Speaker 2: I know, but it seems like I chose a date that could possibly have had a good episode. It was an educated guess. I don't like the word accidentally. It's because the torture part is not really a big factor. It's the other stuff that makes it huge. But before we get going, here is an out of context drop from today's episode.
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Speaker 8: A lot of mistakes i say stupid stuff sometimes i mean i hear my show rebroadcast and go oh my god that sounds horrible i don't mean that.
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Speaker 4: You know he just drops it that quickly the number of times he said that on the air is staggering oh.
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Speaker 2: I listen to this show and i'm like jesus what kind of asshole would say that.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that guy yeah what get it together alex jesus you can't just be that easy I realize that we keep forgetting to give shouts out to policy wonks.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you're doing it at the beginning of the show this time.
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Speaker 4: There we go. I'm hoping this will give my brow a chance to get some sweat off of it. Dry this fucking thing off. Do the only thing that you're really good at. Exactly. Thanking people for giving you money. Right. Absolutely. We'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new policy wonks. What's going on out there, Kelsey?
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Speaker 1: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining up with the team. Indeed. And also.
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Speaker 6: I know two nice Kelsey's and one Kelsey Grammer.
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Speaker 4: So you choose which you want to be. Yeah, yeah. And if you choose wrong, you're going to fall off a karmically shaped stage. Oh, dear God. Also, I'd like to give a shout out to our other new policy wonk. What's going on out there, Kyle?
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Speaker 1: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining up with the team.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Kyle and Kelsey.
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Speaker 4: Are you guys brother and sister? They might be. Twins? Not the same last name, but you never know. That's possible. Could be long lost twins. I don't know.
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Speaker 6: It's actually Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.
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Speaker 4: Could be. Twins. It's possible. There we are. If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button. And maybe if we get enough policy wonks, we'll get our sound fixed. Or I'll have enough time to run sound check before the episode.
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Speaker 6: Or I'll be able to pay my rent.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, any of these things.
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Speaker 2: Any of these things are both impossible and delightful to imagine.
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Speaker 4: Oh, God. Okay, so here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we have come. Here we will be. It's a dip. All right. December 12th, 2014. D12. Shit's going down on the 12th. 12-12-14. What is going on? I'll tell you what's going on. I don't know. That was a weird intro. Sorry. As the show starts, Alex Jones makes a very weird reference to his personal life that he almost never makes. Okay. And we'll see if you can catch what's going on.
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Speaker 8: Ladies and gentlemen, we're live broadcasting worldwide. It is the 12th day of December 2014 on this Friday edition.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Alex Jones.
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Speaker 8: I want to thank David Knight and the rest of the crew sitting in yesterday. I, again, have had family issues here and there that I've been taking care of that are all now coming into line quite nicely, thanks to the good Lord above. And so that's why I've been missing a few days here and there. But we'll make it up to everybody. We are live, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 6: How will you make up a divorce trial to everybody?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's not a trial at this point. Oh, it's the custody hearing at this point. No, it's just the divorce. It's 2014. This is when he's getting divorced. Right. So it's actually the separation and everything is what he's talking about.
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Speaker 2: So when he gets remarried, that's when he's making it up to everybody.
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Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that sounds right. Because his new wife is in her prime.
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Speaker 2: Because it's very shortly after.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: So I always think that's kind of interesting. That, you know, he never references that. He never talks about the divorce and stuff like that. Right. Except when he's getting super defensive about, I won. That sort of stuff. Right, right, right. And to be like, oh, hey, all right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, there's family issues. Couldn't be in here yesterday because I was busy getting divorced. Exactly. You know what? It's very clear.
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Speaker 2: Signing some documents. She's yelling at me about that boat, and I'm like, I can't give you that boat.
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Speaker 4: You can have the other boat.
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Speaker 2: You can have the six other boats that I have, but God damn it if I'm not keeping the info wash.
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Speaker 4: So, Jordan....
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Speaker 6: Which is the name of his car wash.
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Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, for laundering purposes. So on the 12th, the reason you sent me back to the 12th was because on December 11th, there was a report that came out about the CIA torturing people. Yeah. Which they did. Yeah, John Brennan was sort of called to respond about that, and he gave a lackluster response. People weren't thrilled with it.
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Speaker 2: And human rights if i recall correctly his response was hey you know some people do a thing some people don't do a thing these things happen it's.
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Speaker 4: Not far off yeah uh the un human rights commissioner uh it was like you gotta fucking prosecute those people yeah because that's fucking nuts.
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Speaker 2: And then we did and everything was better forever right Dan?
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Speaker 4: We had to hand off control of Afghanistan's Bagram prison because of it. Yeah. There was a lot of mess. Yeah. So you might be surprised to tune in to Alex Jones' show and hear what his top story is.
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Speaker 8: Where to start? Look at the front page of DrudgeReport.com. GOPers accuse... of breaking promises to kill the big spending bill. Why, even the First Lady's lunch program is funded.
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Speaker 4: Can't believe that.
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Speaker 8: And the constituency is so incredibly upset. Even Sean Hannity, who normally defends the system.
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Speaker 1: Has come out and dubbed Boner, Boehner. I was calling him.
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Speaker 4: I get it.
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden Boehner last week.
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Speaker 8: Well, now Hannity's calling him John Gruber Boehner.
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Speaker 1: Or John Gruber's Boner.
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Speaker 6: I prefer Dave Gruber Boehner.
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Speaker 4: This... The naked trucker. This Boehner riff... Crushed it. It's gonna go on.
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Speaker 9: Why?
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Speaker 2: There's no way it can do that. It was bad to start with. Joe Biden Boehner, and he thinks that's fantastic.
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Speaker 4: You know Alex Jones. He likes to pick all the meat off a bone. Yeah, that's true. And that's his comedic style.
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Speaker 6: Because he knows good humor when he sees it.
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Speaker 4: He's like, this fucking comedy ore is just coming out. This vein is not dry. We are just gonna keep chipping away... At the John Boehner's name sounds like Boner. I think we're going to get it. Here we go.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that is a pun, really, folks. You're supposed to pronounce that German name Boner. Be proud of your family name. He was the first man for Congress saying it's.
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Speaker 1: Boehner, not Boner. We had to find that old TV ad from 20-something years ago.
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Speaker 8: But Sean Hattie has slammed John Gruber's Boner.
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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be the speaker. John Boner Gruber.
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Speaker 4: There we go.
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Speaker 1: Conservatives tonight.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 8: He did Gruber conservatives tonight. Or the American people. Most Democrats don't like Obamacare now and Gallup Pulse. It's a giant stinking fraud, a bipartisan criminal operation. You just had a major political realignment. The biggest Republican sweep in over 100 years. What's going to happen if they don't perform and repeal it, which Mitch McConnell and John Gruber boner.
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Speaker 4: That's three.
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Speaker 1: John Gruber boner. Four.
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Speaker 4: Four.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like a song or something. John Boehner.
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Speaker 8: Or no, John Gruber Boner Boehner.
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Speaker 1: Five. His name is my name too.
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Speaker 8: Because all of them are going to be seen as a bunch of Gruberites that we're stupid.
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Speaker 1: By the way, we are stupid.
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Speaker 4: That was a very successful bit. First of all, great bit. Second of all, that might be the first time that I have strategically edited to end the clip right where he says, we are stupid. We are stupid. By the way, we are stupid. We are stupid if we go along with this. I just decided to cut that out for fun and then call myself out on it because I'm not an asshole. But, I mean, yeah, sure. All right. So boner. Right. This is just after the midterm election.
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Speaker 2: That's all I've established here is that he thinks it's funny to say boner, which.
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Speaker 4: He's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong. Sure. Facts of life prove that.
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Speaker 5: Right. Right.
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Speaker 2: This is immediately after the growing pains.
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Speaker 4: Now, probably.
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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, it was growing pains.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: That was an acceptable thing then. Crazy times.
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Speaker 2: This is right after the November elections that gave us the Republican majority that we are currently dealing with.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it was just after the midterms in 2014, December 12th, 2014.
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Speaker 2: Alex, what will happen if they don't successfully repeal Obamacare?
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Speaker 6: I can't think of anything.
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Speaker 4: Escalation? I think so. Yeah, it seems like that is the play.
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Speaker 2: Everyone will be disappointed to discover that they don't actually care and will not punish their politicians for.
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Speaker 4: Failing them in the only thing that they really asked them to do. Yeah, absolutely. So that's his top story is that John Boehner's name is funny and that there's a spending bill that the Republicans didn't stop with their supermajority. They had to fund the government. We'll get into that after this next clip. Horrific.
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Speaker 1: Some of the stories up on Infowars.com.
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Speaker 8: House passes government funding bill with Bankster derivative bailout provision bigger than the Baker.
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Speaker 4: Bailout of 2008.
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Speaker 8: By the way, Kurt Nemo's headline is excellent. And it's very accurate. He does a great job focusing on that. But it's not even bad enough. The headline's not even horrible enough. It should be House Passes Banker Bailout Derivatives Bill Bigger Than 08.
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Speaker 1: Because it is bigger. It's unlimited.
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Speaker 8: Unlimited power to bankrupt the country, to quote Emperor Palpatine.
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Speaker 4: Don't think he said that. I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: We're only trying to save the country. And the globalists, the Federal Reserve, say no, no, no.
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Speaker 4: You will die.
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Speaker 8: You will side on to everything.
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Speaker 4: Everything is proceeding as David Rockefeller has foreseen it.
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Speaker 1: It's Friday.
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Speaker 4: It's like I'm worked up. So just to keep track of this.
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Speaker 2: House sales alliteration of assholes army is what he just did.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. He's talking about an article from Kurt Nimmo, who is a guy who worked for InfoWars, who has since come out and said very clearly that Alex Jones is a fraud. Yeah. And been very.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to appreciate Kurt Nimmo later on in life.
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Speaker 4: No, he's very against him now. And you know what this spending bill, you know the context of it. Yeah. The government shutdown.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yep. That dickhole Ted Cruz.
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Speaker 2: That motherfucker tried very hard to ruin the world with, damaged the GOP reputation so that even though they had a super maturity, everybody hated them so much, specifically Ted Cruz. who would later come second in many primaries. That's how much they hated him.
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Speaker 4: So they passed a $ 1. 1 trillion spending, omnibus spending bill. Right. But Democrats are now opposing several last-minute provisions, including one that would repeal a key rule in the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill that limits risky trades by federally insured banks.
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Speaker 2: Boy, it sure seems like the Republicans are trying to get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill.
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Speaker 4: Because they did.
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Speaker 2: I can't think of any reason that they would get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill, considering that they represent the people in their districts.
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Speaker 6: Who just care about prosperity.
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Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
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Speaker 6: And just, you know, getting back to Americana.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why they would try to destroy a bill that actually protects those people from predatory lenders.
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Speaker 4: Because you don't understand prosperity. I don't understand prosperity. It's mostly about banks taking risks with your money. Oh, okay. That's how real prosperity comes.
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Speaker 6: Shouldn't they tell me, though, when they're doing that?
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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 6: Oh, they shouldn't tell me that.
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Speaker 4: Prosperity is more fun if it's a surprise. Okay. That might be true. Well, you know, I mean, the revolution was a surprise.
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Speaker 6: It's a surprise to all of us.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people were caught off guard by 1776. So what do you got a problem with?
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Speaker 6: Which seemed also to be about occasionally being taxed too much.
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Speaker 4: Right. Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren both were incredibly vocal in their opposition to these last minute additions that Republicans snuck through in. And so when Alex is talking about this spending bill and all this stuff.
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Speaker 6: The real dangerous parts of it.
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Speaker 2: The people that he supports are the Republicans.
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Speaker 4: And the real dangerous parts are the things that the Republicans who he's lauding put in there.
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Speaker 7: Yep.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know. He can always pretend that he's not a Democrat, he's not a Republican, I'm bipartisan. But he celebrates a lot when Republicans win. Oh, really?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And I don't know... I can't think of any time. I don't know if it's just an anti... You know... Democrat thing, or if he's just full of shit.
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Speaker 6: I think he's full of shit, and I think he's anti-Democrat.
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Speaker 4: Could be six of one, half a dozen of another. Anyway, let's get on to this next clip, because Alex brings up another employee of his. This is right after a video package that's real, like, fast cuts, things taken out of context with really swelling, dramatic music.
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Speaker 1: We need to get that video.
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Speaker 4: Not Nancy Pelosi, but Eric Holder. Nancy Pelosi wasn't nearly on his shooting board at this point. But Eric Holder is in there, Obama and the likes. Well, of course.
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Speaker 2: Obama saying something like, let's feed people, and then he's got a horror movie soundtrack in the back.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 8: Video not just on prisonplanet.tv but up on infowars.com right now. Rob Jacobson produced that little two-minute jewel of awakening and truth, Veritas.
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Speaker 4: Veritas.
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Speaker 1: So he can name it whatever he wants.
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Speaker 8: Let's make it top video, infowars.com YouTube channel.
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Speaker 4: Funny story. That's a long name for that video. Rob Jacobson has also left InfoWars and has also spoken out very publicly about how Alex is an asshole. Interesting. And if I recall correctly, he was who Alex turned to for backup in the David Duke interview. He also failed in debating David Duke. Okay. And has gone on to say, I mean, I certainly don't agree with him in this, but he's like, Alex will never touch Israel again. That sort of stuff. That's why he gotcha, gotcha.
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Speaker 6: That was the one.
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Speaker 4: There we go. He's in that brand.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was worried that he actually went to the side that makes sense.
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Speaker 4: No. Okay. It does not seem like it, but it's just another example. Everybody he's bringing up back then, no longer there and does not like him.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 4: So that's fun. But you know what? Alex has some weird allegiances back in 2014 that you would never expect. You already heard him say something negative about Sean Hannity, who's his best friend now, apparently.
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Speaker 6: What, is he friends with Mugabe?
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Speaker 2: Because the future is not going to hold well for him. If he's banking on Mugabe, he's going to be in trouble. He's not pimping for Mugabe. But this clip is interesting as hell.
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Speaker 8: Krauthammer is really smart, and he's a conservative intellectual. He doesn't just throw out buzzwords all day like a Hannity does. I don't agree with some of the stuff Krauthammer pushes sometimes, but he's light years better than a Sean Hannity or these mainline rhino Republican talk show hosts that just support the police state, the drug war, the giant prisons, no matter what. Police brutality, no matter what. We try to look at both sides and actually be fair.
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Speaker 4: No, you don't. Not at all. So, like, okay, I get that Sean Hannity hadn't morphed into a, hey, we're on the same team guy at that point. He was still a corporate Fox News guy.
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Speaker 2: So that begs into question, what happened to Hannity? I think he saw what was happening to Alex. Well, the But, I mean, more like, was Hannity a secret Alex Jones this whole time?
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Speaker 4: He was as crazy.
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Speaker 2: He was always as crazy. Yeah, because if you listen to his radio show, it was a lot wilder.
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Speaker 6: Oh, his radio show is fucking bananas.
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Speaker 4: I don't mean wild in terms of, like, saying stupid shit like Alex, but it was wild in the sense of, like, he was really unprofessional. He was a dick. He was really mean to everyone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandfather forced me to listen to a good hour or two of Hannity while I was watching him and ushering him into the great beyond. And if it had kept me from listening to Hannity, I would have been like, go an hour or a couple earlier.
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Speaker 4: Get going. Yeah, get going. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Hannity makes you want to kill your grandfather.
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Speaker 4: So Hannity sucks, but it's interesting to hear Alex say positive things about fucking Charles Krauthammer.
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Speaker 2: Oh, don't you love the way his turtle head just kind of retracts into everything whenever he gets challenged?
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Speaker 4: I don't want to talk personal shit. I don't want to talk appearances. I'm not here to neck shame anybody.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it would be hard not to neck shame him. Just saying his name is neck shame.
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Speaker 4: Here are some reasons Alex cannot say he supports or agrees with Charles Krauthammer. So many reasons! Krauthammer supports abortion.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 4: That's number one. Number two, he believes in evolution and rejects the idea of intelligent design.
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Speaker 6: Hard not to.
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Speaker 4: He also supports higher taxes to support environmental causes.
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Speaker 6: It makes sense.
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Speaker 4: And energy conservation. Right. Also, this is the big one. He emphatically supports embryonic stem cell research using tissue from abortions. Which Alex is... What's wrong with that? I think nothing. Alex thinks they're harvesting babies and making chimeras.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
00:23:08
Speaker 4: That's his big thing. But you gotta have.
00:23:10
Speaker 2: You gotta come at it from both sides. You gotta give both sides credence. That's why he likes to listen to Charles Krauthammer. Because Krauthammer's gonna be like... hey, Alex, that's fucking stupid. And he's going to be like, hey, Krauthammer, you've got a lot of good ideas, not like that dumbass.
00:23:23
Speaker 6: Hannity over there who agrees with me that they're creating chimeras.
00:23:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll be a great ally in two years. Yeah. Two years, once we have our demon candidate.
00:23:34
Speaker 6: Yeah, once you guys come to me, Krauthammer, you're gone.
00:23:38
Speaker 4: Once the rip in the reality veil becomes big enough. Right, right. I will go to Sean Hannity and we will come together as some sort of globular alt-media and professional media two-headed blah. Right.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: When we get forced into the dark timeline by Mixle Pixie.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Mr. Mixle Pix. Yeah, and we.
00:24:03
Speaker 2: Have to say his name backwards before we can get into the timeline where Bernie won?
00:24:07
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, Alex is fucked up. That makes no sense. Mm-hmm. For his philosophy and for anything.
00:24:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: But his hubris back then, or as he would pronounce it, hubris back then knows no bounds. Listen to this fucking sales pitch for a second. Okay.
00:24:25
Speaker 2: And then I'll come back on the other side and tell you exactly what he's asking of his listeners.
00:24:31
Speaker 8: Another key. Pray for this operation. We're praying for America and the rest of the world and you as well. We need those prayers. That's number one. But secondarily, support our local AM and FM affiliates. Become sponsors. Become supporters of local sponsors. Call the station up and say, I want to pay for a billboard to promote the Alex Jones Show.
00:24:53
Speaker 1: That's how we're going to take this country back. We're so close, folks.
00:24:56
Speaker 4: We're so close.
00:24:58
Speaker 6: I want to pay for a billboard.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:00
Speaker 6: That's an interesting thing to call your AM FM radio station with.
00:25:03
Speaker 4: That's a big sponsor. Do you know about billboard pricing?
00:25:09
Speaker 6: I don't know about billboard pricing.
00:25:11
Speaker 2: I just saw three billboards in Ebbing, Missouri, and they said $ 5, 000 a month for three billboards.
00:25:17
Speaker 4: That's pretty close. In very small towns. Yes. Outside of Milwaukee, you can get one for about $ 4, 000 a month. $ 3, 000 to $ 4, 000 a month.
00:25:27
Speaker 6: I mean, that's not terrible, right?
00:25:29
Speaker 4: Now you bump it up to a city like San Diego. Right. Which is not even a large market. I mean, it's big, but it's not like L.A. or something like that. It's a big market. That's going to run you probably about $ 10, 000 to $ 15, 000 a month.
00:25:41
Speaker 6: Still reasonable if you get a return on your investment.
00:25:44
Speaker 4: Now you go to like Boston, let's say.
00:25:46
Speaker 1: Boston.
00:25:47
Speaker 4: I don't go to Boston. Urban area, metropolitan city. To get a billboard, it can run you up to $ 23, 000 a month. For a billboard? Yes. Damn. Because high traffic areas. Yeah. It's all about how many eyes get on stuff. It's all about impressions.
00:26:03
Speaker 6: How much would it cost us to get a billboard in Chicago?
00:26:05
Speaker 7: A lot.
00:26:06
Speaker 4: What are you thinking? At least that $ 20, 000.
00:26:09
Speaker 2: You're thinking like closer to $ 30, 000, right?
00:26:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. I don't know. I feel like Boston and Chicago are probably pretty close in terms of that. Maybe a little higher, but probably in the ballpark. All right. So that's, I mean, geez.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: So we're going to have to do a 36-hour live stream. So you get $ 23, 000.
00:26:28
Speaker 4: Call in and say you want to pay $ 20, 000 for a billboard. Or conservatively $ 10, 000 for a billboard. Call Clear Channel. I know that it's too expensive to buy my wet herbs, but buy a billboard. Buy a billboard. What the fuck? Buy a billboard. Hubris. Hubris. Yeah, that's nuts. So we're maybe like half an hour into his broadcast at this point.
00:26:50
Speaker 7: Right.
00:26:51
Speaker 4: Buy a billboard. And he finally decides to get into the torture stuff. Yes.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: We're going to go hard on it. He's got a lot of articles. He's really going to get into the issues.
00:27:00
Speaker 4: He might have a stack.
00:27:01
Speaker 6: He's got a stack.
00:27:02
Speaker 4: But you know that doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean much. Here is Alex Jones' take.
00:27:07
Speaker 8: Look at this report by Washington's blog up on Infowars.com. The media is focusing on the wrong Senate torture report. The big story torture everyone is missing.
00:27:20
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm in. What do we got?
00:27:22
Speaker 1: And I agree with his report.
00:27:23
Speaker 8: It gets into the Armed Services Committee of 2009 that details the systematic widespread torture across the board.
00:27:30
Speaker 1: But that's not even as bad.
00:27:32
Speaker 8: As the torture report from 2000, I think it's 2007 or 8, General Tagumbo report.
00:27:40
Speaker 3: Oh, no.
00:27:41
Speaker 1: General Tagumbo torture report. He's the Filipino-American general, three-star general.
00:27:46
Speaker 4: It's Taguba.
00:27:48
Speaker 1: Did that investigation.
00:27:49
Speaker 8: And that was the real one where they admitted that raping children with large objects dripping with acid in front of their parents in Iraq and places, killing people, non-terror related, just demons being hired. Now, the military was ordered to hire former federal prison guards who had records on purpose.
00:28:11
Speaker 1: Rape, you name it.
00:28:14
Speaker 3: So.
00:28:15
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. The Feinstein report's a whitewash.
00:28:18
Speaker 4: So this whole thing that you have sent us back in time is apparently a whitewash.
00:28:23
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:28:24
Speaker 4: And a couple things.
00:28:24
Speaker 6: Did not realize that.
00:28:25
Speaker 4: It's not Tagumbo or whatever. It's Taguba. It's Antonio Taguba. And here's the thing about that. He has the date slightly off. He said it was 2007, I believe.
00:28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:28:36
Speaker 4: It was 2004 that he did a report. And it did not entail anything about children being raped. with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm positive. Did you read it? Yes, I did.
00:28:46
Speaker 6: Have you talked to Taguba?
00:28:47
Speaker 4: I have not talked to Taguba.
00:28:48
Speaker 6: Okay, have you talked to Takumbu?
00:28:50
Speaker 4: I have, yeah. Oh, that's the problem. There you go. There it is.
00:28:53
Speaker 2: It's a different guy. You just don't do your research, Dan. This is what bothers me.
00:28:56
Speaker 6: You have a stack of articles about Taguba, nothing about Takumbu.
00:29:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, shit. I blew it. Yeah. Where did that voice come from? I don't know. It was my Tagumbu voice.
00:29:10
Speaker 8: So I.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: Blew it. The closest thing I could find is there are, um, reports that, uh, general to Guba got at, uh, that he did was not able to substantiate, but he viewed as credible based on the circumstances that people might have been sodomized with like a light, a fluorescent light or something along those lines. That's horrifying, but that's not quite children getting raped with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Ali, is sensationalizing this quite a bit.
00:29:42
Speaker 6: It's not that far off.
00:29:44
Speaker 4: No, and it's a stupid place to draw a line, quite frankly. I mean, I.
00:29:51
Speaker 6: I'm not on anybody's side there.
00:29:53
Speaker 4: I'm not either.
00:29:54
Speaker 6: There's not a winner that I want to back in this race.
00:29:57
Speaker 4: I'm not either. But in terms of Alex being a reporter, in terms of him actually telling you things, he's failing at that. Oh, he's very bad at that. But the other thing, this is the most important piece. So Taguba's report came out in May of 2004. Amnesty International put out their report about Abu Ghraib in June of 2003. So his report came out even after the atrocities that were reported in Abu Ghraib were already being reported. So a lot of the stuff that's in there is just, I have substantiated that detainees told me these things happened, which had already been reported. But Alex would never want to give it up for Amnesty International or something like that.
00:30:40
Speaker 2: Isn't it weird that 2014 is when this episode happens? We've all known at this point that America is torturing people nonstop for 11 years. And we're like, whoa, whoa.
00:30:59
Speaker 4: Brennan. Well, maybe not 10 years.
00:31:01
Speaker 6: Don't agree with us.
00:31:02
Speaker 4: Right.
00:31:04
Speaker 2: You're supposed to lie so we feel less complicit in the atrocities that are being committed in our name.
00:31:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really fucked up. But Alex, I would think that his position on it would be... I guess this is pretty close to what I would expect his position to be. I would expect it to be a little different, though. Because I would expect it to be gloating. Yeah. But I would also expect it to be gloating.
00:31:26
Speaker 2: With, like, and now here's all the times I've told you, and here is, you know, me breaking the story way before and all that, instead of dismissively being like Taguba.
00:31:35
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Tagumbo.
00:31:39
Speaker 2: My thoughts on what he would think based on his love of Blackwater now is, Yeah, we're torturing people. That's how we should be doing it.
00:31:47
Speaker 4: I don't think he likes Blackwater at this point because he doesn't know that Eric Prince is a Trump supporter.
00:31:52
Speaker 6: I'm talking about now.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, now.
00:31:54
Speaker 2: So if you're a huge fan of Blackwater now, I assume that you have loved torture since you saw your first episode of 24.
00:32:01
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. Alex is not a fan of torture, which I support. All right. I give him.
00:32:08
Speaker 2: Does he know what we're doing now with the Trump regime and how we're killing like three times the number of civilians all around? They're emboldened to torture.
00:32:19
Speaker 4: Fake news.
00:32:19
Speaker 6: And then the privatized army is just going buck wild.
00:32:23
Speaker 4: Fake news.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Every report that we get out of that is just they are just fighting a total war and burning people alive.
00:32:29
Speaker 4: It's not good. Who are you, the Washington Post? Fake news. Okay. Fair enough. Shout out to Project Veritas doing the Lord's work. I don't know if you saw this. I know everyone's seen the story that the Washington Post put out about Project Veritas trying to trick them with a fake sting operation about Roy Moore. But I don't know if everybody's seen the videos that Project Veritas rushed out to try and get ahead of it. Because they knew this story was going to come out. They got reached for comment and what have you. That is so funny.
00:33:03
Speaker 2: And I imagine that they got reach for comment in the middle of trying to screw them.
00:33:08
Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
00:33:09
Speaker 2: Like, okay, you guys are trying.
00:33:12
Speaker 4: To trick us.
00:33:12
Speaker 6: Can you tell me some things about that so we can print it?
00:33:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:33:16
Speaker 6: Can we go off the record? I want to be anonymous.
00:33:19
Speaker 4: James O'Keefe rushed out some videos. And it's like behind the scenes talking to people at Washington Post. And it's so much nothing. It's astounding how little there is there. And he's like, oh, well, this is the real truth. This is American Pravda. The worst thing that he's got is somebody from the paper, from the Washington Post, saying that the editorial board doesn't like Trump. It's like, that's the editorial board.
00:33:49
Speaker 6: I think that's pretty solid.
00:33:50
Speaker 4: It's also not the news writers. That's the editorial board. I don't think there are a lot of editorial boards that like Trump. I think there are a few.
00:33:58
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:33:59
Speaker 4: So anyway, it's all a bunch of hot nonsense. But also, in the wake of all this, it is very important to remember that a few years back, Donald Trump did give James O'Keefe $ 10, 000 from one of his foundations. Really?
00:34:09
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:34:10
Speaker 4: So interesting to remember. And that will come back up at the end of this episode in a really weird way. All right. But be that as it may. I love it when you bookend things. I told you. Alex Jones is against torture.
00:34:23
Speaker 6: He is against torture. Now, in this time period. When Obama is doing it.
00:34:28
Speaker 4: I still think he's actually against it now, still, too. Disagree. It depends on what you mean by truth. Because he says he's against it. And to be fair to him, when he's critiqued Trump, one of the things he consistently says or has said, especially in the early days of his presidency, was, I don't like where he stands on torture. I think it's wrong. That sort of thing. It's one of the only things that he would point out that I think Trump's wrong on this one.
00:34:56
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker 4: Generals are misleading him and stuff like that. So I think on some level he actually does understand that torture is bad. All right. But this next clip.
00:35:06
Speaker 6: I think understanding and being against are different things.
00:35:09
Speaker 4: This next clip.
00:35:10
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:35:11
Speaker 4: Tells me that Alex has an incredibly weird take on torture as a whole. And I don't really I don't really know what's going on in this clip.
00:35:21
Speaker 8: OK.
00:35:22
Speaker 4: I really don't. All right.
00:35:23
Speaker 8: I mean, I've been in the parking lot before. and seen some guy haul off and punch a woman in the face. And I've gone over and said, you better stop that right now. What the hell is your problem? And they've gotten in my face. And I've said, listen, by that time, people were calling the cops. It was like 20 years ago. And it's not because I'm a hero. I don't like seeing some big guy punch a woman in the eye and give her a black eye. At an instinctive level, that's just not right.
00:35:44
Speaker 4: The one thing, if she hit him or something, that.
00:35:46
Speaker 8: Would be a thing of passion. But guys beating up women at an instinctive level, I don't like that.
00:35:52
Speaker 4: So I think of my mother.
00:35:52
Speaker 1: I think of my daughters.
00:35:54
Speaker 8: But before I had daughters, I instinctively don't like women being messed with. I have that instinctive thing to protect women and children. That's what men are for. That's what we do. You're not a man if you don't want to do that. But, I mean, I guarantee you, if I— You need to meet more men. There's been a lot of cases this year about the news where a dad opens the door and some 40-year-old guy is raping his 10-year-old son. The dad kills him, and they don't even indict him, much less have a grand jury nonbellum.
00:36:20
Speaker 1: Everybody gets that.
00:36:21
Speaker 6: Wait, everybody gets that?
00:36:23
Speaker 4: Fine, leave it aside. But I need you to track the thought. I really need, because he's talking about crimes of passion right now. Yeah. And the idea that you just go red and you kill somebody or whatever. Just keep that in mind. I swear he's going to try and relate this to torture.
00:36:39
Speaker 2: Is he going to pull this off? He's not, but he... Is he flying a little bit low? Is he in a tailspin right now?
00:36:46
Speaker 8: Pull up.
00:36:47
Speaker 4: Pull up. Get out. Alex. Get out.
00:36:49
Speaker 7: Throttle.
00:36:50
Speaker 4: Just pull the throttle. Porkins, no!
00:36:54
Speaker 8: There was a case just north of Austin that happened this year, I think, and the dad beat the guy to death. There's been cases where a drunk driver runs over somebody's kid right in front of their house. The dad sees their dead son. It was another Texas case. Goes and gets his gun, kills him. Grand jury doesn't indict. That's not torture. That's not when you beat somebody to death and want them to hurt.
00:37:16
Speaker 4: You're hurt.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: So torture is natural in the moment.
00:37:21
Speaker 8: In the passion, where you've caught the person, you know they've done it, and you're going to bash their brains out. And in the moment, you have that killer instinct. You're not enjoying it, but it's like stepping on a cockroach.
00:37:33
Speaker 4: What?
00:37:33
Speaker 2: What?
00:37:53
Speaker 8: There's this tough guy instinct that gets misapplied by, you know, they hit us on 9-11.
00:37:56
Speaker 1: Go ahead and torture them.
00:37:58
Speaker 8: You can't have a big nasty government do that because it'll do it for fake confessions and it'll.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: Do it to you.
00:38:04
Speaker 8: That's why you don't do it. Not because we're wimps. Well, why do the Russians and the Chinese do it? Because they're barbarous countries that never got reformed. you got freedom in russia no we're losing ours here now and they're promoting torture and spying and everything else and russia's trying to reform itself but western pressure isn't.
00:38:26
Speaker 4: Letting it do it it's interesting we'll we'll unpack all of that but it's really interesting at the end there he's like in russia they don't have any freedom oh shit what i gotta save this Russia's trying to do better. Because of us.
00:38:37
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:38:37
Speaker 6: They don't have any freedom because we're stopping.
00:38:39
Speaker 4: Them from having freedom.
00:38:40
Speaker 10: Oh, shit.
00:38:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Putin. I'm sorry. Oh, shit.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: So clearly, this indicates to me that in December of 2014- He still wasn't completely turned.
00:38:49
Speaker 4: But Alex has also been debriefed by the Russian intelligence agents by this point. I think we can push that date back to 2014.
00:38:57
Speaker 6: I don't think that's conclusive. I don't think that's a conclusive thing right there.
00:39:00
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit what you think. Fair enough. I'm standing by it.
00:39:05
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you torture me before the show and we wind up getting audio issues.
00:39:09
Speaker 4: Listen, it was a crime of passion. So that's fucked up.
00:39:14
Speaker 2: I don't know what he thinks torture is. I know he's against what... I think he's just against false confessions.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: I agree with... I mean, I'm against them too. Right.
00:39:25
Speaker 6: No, I think that's what he's really doing.
00:39:27
Speaker 4: You should talk to Trump about the Central Park Five. Yeah, no shit. shit. Fuck me. Or any number of people. So.
00:39:36
Speaker 6: So he's I I think he's against torture for the wrong reasons.
00:39:40
Speaker 4: Or at least a right reason, but he's fine with it in certain circumstances. I mean, it deprives you of your humanity, and it deprives the person who you're torturing of their humanity. That's probably the biggest reason. And I would love for everyone to operate on that principle. But if you can't and don't torture people because it doesn't work, if that's all you got, I'll take it.
00:40:00
Speaker 6: If that's the best you can do, I'll take it.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: If it leads to you not torturing people or advocating for people not torturing... Hooray. Yeah, I think that's good. It's very elementary. It's very much in terms of, you know, there's just, in the same way there's emotional maturity and intellectual maturity, there's like moral maturity. There's like, you know, just going by golden rule kind of stuff. It's sort of a really basic level and then principles get built in as you get older and you start to live by principles. And then eventually you get to the point where You live by principles that must be true. Like, the opposite could not be true. And Alex is operating on very, very childlike, adolescent... Not doing great. moral ideas. And then also just equating torture with beating someone to death because they drunkenly killed your kid in a car accident. That one's weird. Very much. And also, that's not a crime of passion if you go and get your gun.
00:40:59
Speaker 2: Also, it seems as though he wants to bash somebody. Like, he's describing something that he's done where it's like, I could have killed that guy.
00:41:07
Speaker 4: No, no, totally. Yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker 6: He's describing exactly that.
00:41:10
Speaker 4: That moment that everyone has a governor. You just turn it off. You die. Yeah. That's very real. At least the feeling. That was creepy. I'm not saying he's killed anyone.
00:41:20
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's killed anybody. I'm saying that he thinks he stopped himself from killing somebody.
00:41:24
Speaker 4: Definitely. He thinks he could have killed a lot of people. Don't fucking play games. He's literally said that on the show before. That's true.
00:41:32
Speaker 6: That is true.
00:41:33
Speaker 4: Jordan.
00:41:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:41:34
Speaker 4: Yes, Dan. You know how I told you at the beginning of the show.
00:41:38
Speaker 2: Also, I think he was referencing the movie The Way of the Gun when Sarah Silverman gets punched in the parking lot.
00:41:43
Speaker 4: Oh, probably. He probably just watched that after he smoked his one weed of the year. Great movie. It's a great movie. I love it.
00:41:50
Speaker 6: Ryan Phillippe, Benicio Del Toro.
00:41:52
Speaker 4: Big fan.
00:41:53
Speaker 7: Good.
00:41:53
Speaker 6: Sarah Silverman.
00:41:55
Speaker 4: She's great. I don't like the getting punched part, although she's great. She's great. Jordan.
00:42:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:42:02
Speaker 4: This is the end of his coverage of the torture.
00:42:09
Speaker 6: So, he nailed it.
00:42:11
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:42:12
Speaker 4: And then just decided, we can move on. With that rambling two and a half minutes, he's like, check that off the list. I crushed it. Now, I told you at the beginning of the episode. Editorial?
00:42:26
Speaker 8: Why?
00:42:26
Speaker 7: Why?
00:42:27
Speaker 4: I can sum up torture in two words. Punch. don't it's pleasurable but don't do it yeah um i told you at the beginning of the show here today that you accidentally picked a perfect episode yeah i will tell you why there's two reasons and one of them is that my favorite crazy comes in no why.
00:42:51
Speaker 2: Daryl hamamoto okay god damn it yes How did that happen?
00:42:55
Speaker 4: Yes. UC Davis professor Daryl Hamamoto.
00:43:00
Speaker 6: I gave you Christmas.
00:43:01
Speaker 4: I opened it up. I started listening to it. I was like, oh, fuck yeah. And I will say this. It's not his best showing. It's not I wanted to pick my gayest instrument to go infiltrate Occupy Wall Street. That's a solid one. It's not that kind of Hamamoto, but he does say some stuff that's really great. Okay. Also, this bums me out. Because he's calling in from his pretty small apartment. Whatever. It is what it is. Yeah. But through the interview, you can hear trucks really loud interfere. It's clear that he lives, you know, not a.
00:43:42
Speaker 6: He's a man of modest means.
00:43:44
Speaker 4: But he shouldn't be. He's a tenured professor at UC Davis. Maybe he does it on purpose.
00:43:50
Speaker 2: There are many people who are saving up their money to buy even gayer instruments.
00:43:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker 4: So here is our first clip of my boy, Daryl Hamamoto. And he in this clip, he compliments and then insults another one of Alex Jones's guests. All right.
00:44:09
Speaker 8: And he would be there teaching professors and Ph.D.
00:44:13
Speaker 1: Students how to lie.
00:44:15
Speaker 4: He's talking about Jonathan Gruber. It's not important. Dave Gruber. Alan.
00:44:20
Speaker 1: And how the world really works. So I guess you get a Ph.D.
00:44:22
Speaker 5: Now.
00:44:24
Speaker 8: According to him, to learn the inside baseball of pure BS. And whereas that always went on from what I've seen in some special PhDs in the last hundred years in this country, in England and Germany, it wasn't like they'd get on C-SPAN and brag about it. So it does show really the arrogance, the arrogance of how stupid they think we are.
00:44:43
Speaker 7: It's arrogance, and I was listening to one of your earlier interviews this week. I forgot who the guest was, but he referred to it as a narcissism, a lot of these high-ranking military.
00:44:54
Speaker 1: That's Dr. Steve Pachinik, yeah.
00:44:56
Speaker 4: Dr.
00:44:56
Speaker 7: Steve Pachinik, great, great mind, great intelligence, and a great analyst, and I really enjoy listening to him. His fiction's not so.
00:45:05
Speaker 6: Great, but I'm going to say he's.
00:45:07
Speaker 5: A political analyst. You know, I read everything. I check into all your guests.
00:45:13
Speaker 4: That's great. Okay. Hamamoto, you're crazy. All right. Okay. Pachinik writes fiction? He's supposed to have been the ghost writer or collaborator for Tom Clancy's books. Oh, that's right. So he must be shitting on Clancy or whatever.
00:45:31
Speaker 2: Clancy, you know, Clancy's got some good, he's farmed out most of the writing of his books after the first three.
00:45:38
Speaker 4: Hamamoto is nuts. Hamamoto is right. No, he's not.
00:45:42
Speaker 8: All right.
00:45:43
Speaker 2: He says Steve Pchenik is a great thinker. He's a great analyst. Uh, that we have quabbles on.
00:45:48
Speaker 4: Yeah. I bet his fiction sucks. I have no idea. I've never read it. I would like to read.
00:45:52
Speaker 6: Well, if it's latter day Tom Clancy, it sucks.
00:45:54
Speaker 4: I would like to read some of, uh, Matt Bracken's books at some point. That's, uh, that's on my, uh, list of summer reading. Is that? That's on my beach reading.
00:46:02
Speaker 2: Did you email Hamamoto with like a recommended list?
00:46:06
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a professor. He's got to know what's up. He's got to know something. Oh, he knows something.
00:46:10
Speaker 6: How to hide your guns.
00:46:11
Speaker 4: No, no, he doesn't know that.
00:46:12
Speaker 6: Where to keep your gayest instruments.
00:46:14
Speaker 4: He doesn't know that.
00:46:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:46:15
Speaker 4: HideYourGayInstruments.com. It's right next to your guns. We got a book. We got a book on hiding gay instruments. So, I told you that Hamamoto knows something. Yeah. In this next clip. What does Hamamoto know? There's an elaborate conspiracy that he is going to lay out in this next clip. And I would like to point out that the way he sets it up, even from the beginning... He's discussing what he tells professors to try and get them to wake up to red pill them or whatever. Even in his own conception, he's talking about corporations trying to screw over people's pensions, not globalists. So hold on. We'll get to that on the other side after he makes his case. That is rambling and nonsensical. Okay. My favorite crazy.
00:47:09
Speaker 7: So what I have done in order to get them into the tent, so to speak, is to bring to their attention that their security is an illusion. Their retirement, their pension, the UC Investment Fund has been eyed hungrily by the wolves of Wall Street for many years now. And they're just waiting for an opportune time to go in there for the kill. They're kind of circling the prey right now. They're taking their pulse. But once I make my colleagues aware that this is their strategy, and they have Janet Napolitano in place there, and they've got the MRAPs and the militarized campuses there in case there's any sort of dissent, and they have the students bought off in their little ethnic identity politics going on.
00:47:52
Speaker 8: They've got them nicely balkanized and segregated like the old city of Rome.
00:47:56
Speaker 5: Precisely.
00:47:57
Speaker 7: We have all the different factions and perpetual tension, and they bring.
00:48:02
Speaker 4: In— So when he talks about the weaponized campus, he's talking about the electromagnetic rays and stuff like that that they're shooting through the air and stuff like that. He was doing so good.
00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:48:12
Speaker 4: He was doing so great. He's not done. Your pension is going to be taken by Wall Street.
00:48:16
Speaker 6: They've been eyeing it for a long time. They aren't going to enforce it with militarized camps, though.
00:48:22
Speaker 4: Campus. Campus. Oh, okay.
00:48:24
Speaker 6: I thought he said militarized camps.
00:48:26
Speaker 4: No, I don't believe so. And also, it's not.
00:48:29
Speaker 2: It's not weaponized students attacking their pensions?
00:48:33
Speaker 4: It is because they have these– remember he has that antenna theory that there are all kinds of rays that are going around the campus.
00:48:40
Speaker 6: Which is why he's suing Janet Napolitano.
00:48:42
Speaker 4: Right. And Linda Katehi, who's going to come back up in a second. But also the very idea that Wall Street wants these pensions and shit like that.
00:48:53
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
00:48:54
Speaker 4: Right on. Right on. But that's not globalists. You did great. That's not globalists. That's out-of-control capitalism.
00:49:00
Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with lasers. I don't think they're going to enforce it with lasers.
00:49:04
Speaker 4: No.
00:49:05
Speaker 2: Although, that would be a much more fun universe.
00:49:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:49:08
Speaker 2: Frankly, if you're going to fuck me over, if you use lasers, that's better for me somehow.
00:49:13
Speaker 4: Right.
00:49:13
Speaker 6: I think that's more fun.
00:49:14
Speaker 4: Right, like it's the Pendragon affair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:49:17
Speaker 6: Look, if you're going to be a monster, at least be a flamboyant.
00:49:20
Speaker 4: Monster.
00:49:21
Speaker 6: Give me something to latch on to. Give me some entertainment, you know?
00:49:24
Speaker 4: So, hold up, this clip isn't done. Let's let Hamamoto finish his case.
00:49:28
Speaker 7: Presidents or chancellors such as Linda Katehi, who's a Greek national, I don't know if she's even a U.S.
00:49:34
Speaker 5: Citizen.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: You have no idea.
00:49:35
Speaker 7: According to my research. And this is how you attack them. You do your homework. You find the biography. It's very easy. It's open source.
00:49:43
Speaker 6: I didn't do that on Linda Katehi, though.
00:49:47
Speaker 7: A network, an international network to nationalize and socialize and globalize institutions of higher education.
00:49:54
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, absolutely.
00:49:56
Speaker 5: And she was one of.
00:49:58
Speaker 7: The leading consultants for the destruction of the higher education system in Greece. Yep. And that is coterminous with the destruction of the larger Greek economy.
00:50:10
Speaker 1: So.
00:50:11
Speaker 6: Okay, so Linda Katehi took down the Greek economy.
00:50:15
Speaker 4: Through taking down the education system in Greece, she then toppled the Greek economy, and then, because she was so successful, she got brought in here to be the president of UC Davis. Yeah. And she has a bunch of patents for antennas, and that's how she's doing it. But also, she's so important that she's an international destroyer of economies and was fired for giving her son and stepdaughter a job. Yep. Ha ha ha ha! He's so crazy. I got to tell you something, Dan. Checks out. Sure. She's this indispensable piece of a nefarious international conspiracy who was fired for petty nepotism. She stole from petty cash. Petty nepotism. It was like, ah, we can't look past that, even though you're such an important part. Of our global scheme to destroy economies through education systems.
00:51:04
Speaker 6: Man, he was doing so good.
00:51:06
Speaker 4: He's so stupid. He was doing so good.
00:51:08
Speaker 6: Because he already had it.
00:51:09
Speaker 2: Wall Street is eyeing your pensions. You could just take that just one step further. And if Wall Street eyes your pensions and then takes them, like they did in Greece.
00:51:19
Speaker 6: Then it's a bad thing.
00:51:20
Speaker 4: Even if you think it's lasers. You're doing so good. I lied.
00:51:24
Speaker 2: Why did you get off track and go to Janet or Nancy?
00:51:29
Speaker 4: Hey, whatever her name is.
00:51:30
Speaker 2: I lied to you earlier when I said this wasn't a good Hamamoto appearance.
00:51:34
Speaker 4: He's killing it. OK. In this next clip, we get to find out some of the inspirations for Daryl Hamamoto.
00:51:40
Speaker 8: All right, professor, I'm going to stop ranting here. I'm going to give you the floor.
00:51:45
Speaker 4: He wasn't ranting. Alex did like a three minute commercial. And then he's like, I'm going to stop ranting here. Yeah.
00:51:50
Speaker 8: For seven, eight minutes, talk about whatever you think front and center, instead of me asking the questions, then we're going to take some calls.
00:51:58
Speaker 1: Great.
00:51:58
Speaker 7: First, Alex, congratulations on your 20 years of broadcasting. Your work, the contributions of your fine guests, your reportage team, has directly influenced and informed not just my lectures, which, of course, has reached any number of students by now, but also my scholarship. There's a book, a new book of mine that's in the mail to you that explicitly acknowledges your contribution to my own intellectual development.
00:52:27
Speaker 4: Oh, no. Oh, no. Are you getting the picture of Hamamoto's life? It's exactly what we thought.
00:52:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:52:36
Speaker 6: I want to go to– can we audit one of his lectures?
00:52:39
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. We have to. We've got to take a trip. We have to go audit one of his lectures. You guys have got to donate so we can go to UC Davis. Are you kidding me?
00:52:46
Speaker 2: And he's proud of those lectures that students go to?
00:52:50
Speaker 4: Well, you understand. I mean, what he's accidentally revealing is that he at one point was– A normal human being. and then he caught the brain virus of alex jones's globalists yeah and by that time he already had tenure right so they can't fire him right and maybe they've scaled back his uh his salary and that's why he lives in this shitty.
00:53:09
Speaker 2: Apartment entirely possible like everything is coming into picture for hamamoto well i'm sure they're scaling back his his caseload or his class load as well yeah no.
00:53:18
Speaker 4: Anything you can do uh within the bounds of tenure for someone who's Clearly off the reservation. Completely insane. He talks about arguing with students all the time. Of course. He insists on teaching classes about Illuminati theory and shit like that. Not great. Not great. Well, I mean, if you want to teach it from an academic perspective, go ahead. But if you want to teach it from.
00:53:38
Speaker 2: A, this is real, and Linda Katehi has antennas that are poisoning you right now.
00:53:46
Speaker 4: I want to go. How much fun is it?
00:53:48
Speaker 6: That should be in every university. There should be one hidden lunatic.
00:53:52
Speaker 1: Oh, there is.
00:53:53
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah absolutely okay i found a couple of them at the university of missouri okay they were great yeah of course yeah i took all their classes right what do.
00:54:01
Speaker 6: You like what kind of crazy we're talking about there.
00:54:03
Speaker 4: Well i had one uh crazy who there was the mean crazy he was uh dr it was some uh it's like wellington or something i can't remember it was right some name like that and uh he was a greek history professor and he was just a fucking asshole He was the kind of crazy. That's not fun. He was the kind of crazy who like he expected everyone to do the reading and he would not be graceful about calling on people in class. And then he would clown on them when they hadn't done the reading.
00:54:30
Speaker 6: That's not crazy. That's kind of crazy. That's not crazy.
00:54:33
Speaker 2: That's not Hamamoto crazy. No, I'm talking about hidden Hamamoto crazy.
00:54:38
Speaker 4: All right. Let's see. There was a guy. This isn't the right kind of crazy either.
00:54:42
Speaker 2: I'm talking like the kind of crazy where it's like it's a nuclear physicist, but he only does classes on whether or not mole men are real. That's the type of crazy that I think of Hamamoto as.
00:54:53
Speaker 4: Oh, he is definitely that. But I guess we didn't have any of those.
00:54:57
Speaker 10: See?
00:54:57
Speaker 4: The only person I was thinking of was this guy named Dr. Rowlett. And he was an archaeology professor in a class I took. And boy, the joke, the running joke was like, he should be teaching about himself because he was like 90 something and could barely talk. And so the entire class was me and the guy next to me being like, can you hear this guy? What the fuck is going on? What is this class? Everyone passed because the curve was a disaster. Can you hear this? That sounds like a Mr. Show sketch.
00:55:28
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:55:29
Speaker 4: You heard there, though, that Hamamoto knows how to get back on the show. He knows how to get in Alex's good graces by complimenting him. Yeah, by saying nice stuff. Which I actually think is probably, he's not being facetious.
00:55:40
Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like it. Hamamoto sounds like he's being honest as hell.
00:55:43
Speaker 4: He is a fucking ass licker. Listen to this. This is what happens immediately after.
00:55:48
Speaker 8: Okay.
00:55:49
Speaker 4: I'm honored.
00:55:49
Speaker 8: I can't wait to maybe carry the book and obviously have you on about it once I've read it.
00:55:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
00:55:54
Speaker 7: And also, just as sort of an experiment, 10 minutes prior to having this conversation with you, I took some Secret 12.
00:56:03
Speaker 5: It's basically liquid B12 vitamins, put it sublingually.
00:56:08
Speaker 7: And I take this right before the lectures because my goal is to be as fluid and slick.
00:56:14
Speaker 5: As Joel Osteen.
00:56:16
Speaker 7: One of our favorite glitter bug preachers for the international audience.
00:56:20
Speaker 8: Well, you're a sweetheart for plugging in. We really are proud of Secret 12. Thank you so much, brother.
00:56:26
Speaker 5: Ooh.
00:56:27
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what's more troubling about that snake. Everything. Everything is troubling about that.
00:56:34
Speaker 6: B12 makes me feel great. I take it before lectures.
00:56:36
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's bad.
00:56:37
Speaker 2: So I can be slick as Joel Osteen.
00:56:39
Speaker 4: That's real bad. He's being facetious. He's being glib there. That's making fun of Joel Osteen.
00:56:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:56:45
Speaker 4: Because he calls him our favorite glitterbug preacher, which is a reference to Alex Jones insulting these prosperity gospel guys.
00:56:52
Speaker 6: I think he's still complimenting him.
00:56:53
Speaker 4: No, I think.
00:56:54
Speaker 2: I think he's being honest about how Joel Osteen is good at what he does, which is be a complete piece of shit.
00:56:59
Speaker 4: I think also there's a chance that Daryl Hamamoto has some sort of a personality disorder. And has flat affect, and you can't tell when he's being, like... That's possible. Because his tone of voice almost never changes. Okay. He's always kind of in the same mode of speech. Uh-huh. So I think he's... When I read the text, I read irony and sarcasm there. I could be wrong, but that's what I see. You might be right, I might be right. Either way, fucking amazing that Hamamoto is coming in and plugging for him. And he continues that tradition on every appearance. Like on one of the other ones we went over, he was like, hey, Alex, I just want to tell you, I just got your book. Or Roger Stone's book, The Making of a Presidency.
00:57:47
Speaker 6: Does he pull it up?
00:57:48
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:57:48
Speaker 7: No.
00:57:50
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:57:50
Speaker 4: And in this, he pulls out the bottle of Secret 12. Fantastic. Yeah. He's got the goods. That's great.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:57:57
Speaker 6: Do you think he's under contract?
00:57:58
Speaker 4: Now, probably.
00:57:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, he has to be.
00:58:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:58:02
Speaker 6: If you're popping up a book, you've got to be.
00:58:05
Speaker 2: Like, that's a social media influencer type gig right there.
00:58:09
Speaker 4: It's buzz marketing.
00:58:10
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:11
Speaker 4: But I think on another level, Hamamoto just sort of understands where his bread's buttered. And he's like, I can get a lot of exposure from this that I couldn't get otherwise. Right. And, like, if I pimp stuff for Alex, I know that's what motivates him. That'll make him more likely to promote me. Right. Everything works out.
00:58:29
Speaker 2: And if people promote me, we'll finally get these fucking lasers taken care of.
00:58:33
Speaker 4: Absolutely. That's the main goal?
00:58:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:35
Speaker 4: Okay. So, um, Hamamoto has got some, a little bit of an oppression complex going. Right. And in this next clip, he references a colleague of his, and I did a bit. research into this and I I can't find anything look here's the deal he gives enough details that it sounds true if you're not paying attention but so few details that it's impossible to search for it.
00:59:09
Speaker 2: Before we go any further, is the colleague he's speaking of real?
00:59:14
Speaker 4: I can't say either way. My gut says no. Okay. At the very least, the story he's about to tell is... I got red flags. Okay.
00:59:26
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:59:27
Speaker 5: Also, a colleague of mine has been harassed continuously.
00:59:31
Speaker 7: And just to show you the viciousness of the university system, she was declared clinically dead due to a massive health crisis.
00:59:45
Speaker 4: What do we do with that? Okay.
00:59:52
Speaker 8: All right.
00:59:55
Speaker 4: So, colleague.
00:59:56
Speaker 3: Yep.
00:59:57
Speaker 2: She was declared clinically dead. Even though she's still alive. Just because her health care costs were too high.
01:00:05
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think that's what it was. Here's where we're cut off.
01:00:10
Speaker 5: Which I won't go into detail. And she published a, which I won't go into detail.
01:00:15
Speaker 4: Sorry.
01:00:17
Speaker 5: Massive health crisis, which I won't go into detail.
01:00:20
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:00:21
Speaker 4: So that's what you think. You think it's an insurance thing? Yeah. I don't think so. That's not how I heard it. I heard it. You have a better estimate than me.
01:00:29
Speaker 6: How did you hear it?
01:00:31
Speaker 4: Retaliation.
01:00:33
Speaker 6: Wait, so you think she raised health care prices?
01:00:36
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. Like she had some sort of an accident of some sort.
01:00:41
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:00:41
Speaker 4: And then your theory makes the most sense. Yeah. What did you think was going on there?
01:00:48
Speaker 2: I'm way interested in your interpretation now because mine is great. I'm a big fan of him believing that they would declare a living woman clinically dead for a while.
01:00:58
Speaker 4: Right.
01:00:59
Speaker 6: To lower the cost of whatever.
01:01:01
Speaker 4: Because that doesn't work.
01:01:02
Speaker 6: That doesn't track.
01:01:03
Speaker 4: But here's how I heard it. And maybe I'm crazy.
01:01:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:01:06
Speaker 4: But maybe I'm a Hamamoto. You're a Hamamoto fan. I heard it as she was making a stink at the university causing trouble. Okay. And so they declared her dead.
01:01:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:01:19
Speaker 4: That is kind of how he makes it sound. Okay. He's like, she has been being harassed and all this stuff. It seems like the declaring her dead was a, hey, fuck you. You're dead now. Or something like that. Honestly, that makes as much sense as cutting down on health care stuff. No, no, I agree. I agree.
01:01:37
Speaker 6: It makes as much sense.
01:01:38
Speaker 4: The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and she is not dead.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: So that's not going to get you out of health care fees or whatever.
01:01:47
Speaker 4: Does he tell the name of the book?
01:01:50
Speaker 5: No.
01:01:51
Speaker 4: No! Come on! She wrote a book! He doesn't say the name of the book.
01:01:54
Speaker 6: But we gotta find out whether or not she was killed!
01:01:57
Speaker 4: He says that she wrote a great... Legally.
01:02:00
Speaker 2: He says that she wrote a great paper that if you email him, he'll give you the name of.
01:02:04
Speaker 4: He doesn't say the name of it.
01:02:05
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that all of these things are enough details that it's like, oh yeah, he couldn't make all that up.
01:02:14
Speaker 6: Seems like he could make all of that up.
01:02:15
Speaker 2: But it's not enough that anyone could confirm this person's existence.
01:02:20
Speaker 4: Well, she's dead. Right at this point, legally dead. She's a ghost. Legally dead.
01:02:23
Speaker 6: She's like Jason Bourne.
01:02:25
Speaker 2: So, Hamamoto's crazy. In this next clip, Hamamoto has a theory.
01:02:30
Speaker 4: How would they even have that power? They don't.
01:02:35
Speaker 2: In what situation could the university be like, okay, wait, her bills are what?
01:02:41
Speaker 4: Just declare her dead. Jordan, I don't like... Just sweep her under the rug. I'll be honest, I don't like your tone. You're dead now. I declare you legally dead.
01:02:48
Speaker 6: I declare you dead.
01:02:49
Speaker 4: Oh, no, me too. You are dead, sir! Hey, this is a podcast where two dead guys like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
01:02:56
Speaker 6: Two guys whose social security numbers no longer work.
01:02:59
Speaker 9: Yay!
01:03:00
Speaker 4: So, Hamamoto got another theory. This guy has a lot of theories. Yeah. This next one... They're great. This one is a little soft.
01:03:08
Speaker 7: But the reason why students are dropping out of humanities and droves is because there's something called the theory scare that took hold in academia in 1970s. And I think I alluded to this in an earlier conversation with you. Instead of reading the great classics, Dostoevsky, which I'm reading again now as an adult, it has a much more impact on me as.
01:03:27
Speaker 4: A grown-up person. You should have read them as an adult first.
01:03:29
Speaker 7: Instead of reading these classics, they were just engaging in literally fraudulent literature high theoretical, philosophical screeds by people like Paul de Man.
01:03:40
Speaker 5: They were people that were imported primarily from France. And I think that was the psyops.
01:03:46
Speaker 7: If any enterprising PhD student wants to do a forensic analysis of it.
01:03:51
Speaker 4: I have an alternative theory to the psyop theory.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: If any enterprising young PhD student ever put forward as their thesis to defend... I think the 1970s theory scare was a psyop.
01:04:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it led to... I don't think they're going to get past that. It led to, in 2014, the people dropping out of humanities classes. In droves! In droves! I would imagine that Hamamoto sees a lot of people dropping out of his humanities classes. I was going to say. Because they get in there and they're like, this guy's nuts. This guy's fucking crazy. Because some people care about their grades, and that is a chaotic element to have, like, giving you grades. Like for us, we don't give a shit. We would have fun. It would be awesome. Let's ride this out.
01:04:35
Speaker 6: Oh, I got an effing fucking fantasy land class.
01:04:38
Speaker 4: Exactly. I don't give a shit. A little wasted money, but it was worth it. It was worth it. So I have another alternative theory that's not just based on his subjective experience. And that is the humanities path generally does not lead to good salaried jobs. Not in my experience. Most of the humanities leads to academia or social work or those sorts of things.
01:05:02
Speaker 6: Or work from home transcribing things.
01:05:04
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Certainly, I'm in the soft humanities. Exactly. Like, if you study Greek, let's say, or classics.
01:05:12
Speaker 5: Right.
01:05:12
Speaker 4: If you study classics. Like Dostoevsky, which you should read as a child.
01:05:16
Speaker 7: No, no, no.
01:05:16
Speaker 4: I'm talking about, like, classical world. No, I know what you're saying. Or literature.
01:05:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:05:21
Speaker 4: Even. I'm against it. Any of those sorts of things. Yeah. The real path that you can go down is become a teacher. Yeah. That's essentially what you can use that degree for. Like, I have one of my majors as a minor, but I took a lot more. Who cares? I took a lot of classes in Greek. And if I were to go to grad school, I would probably take more classes in Greek and classics. And the only path.
01:05:43
Speaker 6: And that would help you run an auto dealership.
01:05:45
Speaker 4: Absolutely. The only path it leads to is becoming a Greek teacher somewhere.
01:05:49
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:05:49
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
01:05:50
Speaker 6: Someone who propagates Greek.
01:05:52
Speaker 4: This is not a PSYOP. It's PSYOP. It's just people in a bad economy or an economy that's.
01:05:59
Speaker 2: Values people with our type of education so little.
01:06:03
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:06:03
Speaker 4: And they value specialized degrees much more. You can get higher paying jobs. People go to those.
01:06:08
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:06:08
Speaker 4: You learned that when you're in college. And that leads you to go away from the humanities.
01:06:12
Speaker 5: Right.
01:06:12
Speaker 4: Your motivation is money. So that is probably a more sensible explanation.
01:06:18
Speaker 6: New job market.
01:06:19
Speaker 4: I'm hearing.
01:06:19
Speaker 2: All right.
01:06:20
Speaker 4: I'm listening.
01:06:21
Speaker 2: We tutor chemical engineers in the STEM field, like just all STEM fields.
01:06:26
Speaker 4: Okay. All right.
01:06:28
Speaker 2: All of our humanity degrees then go to just kind of going into random STEM field people's homes and just teaching them Dostoevsky and shit like that.
01:06:36
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?
01:06:36
Speaker 4: Sure.
01:06:37
Speaker 6: That way we'll never have a theory scare of the 1970s again.
01:06:41
Speaker 4: Sure.
01:06:41
Speaker 6: And we won't have to bring in these fucking French people over here.
01:06:44
Speaker 4: Okay.
01:06:45
Speaker 6: I don't know why you got to dig in at the French.
01:06:47
Speaker 4: Nah. Like, this guy fucking over here. Most of them French. I mean, it's hack conspiracy theory.
01:06:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:06:53
Speaker 4: Basically. Yeah. So at this point, Alex is like, Hamamoto's got theories. I got to come with something.
01:07:00
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:07:00
Speaker 4: I can't just let this guy run circles of crazy around me. Right. And so he drops this.
01:07:05
Speaker 8: I go to Whole Foods and half the magazines are it's great to be poor now. It's so cool. But then meanwhile, Obama's flying around Air Force One telling Africans they can't have cars or air conditioners. I mean, why not say you can have clean cars and clean air conditioners? I mean, it's just they're teaching us it's not good to progress as a new dark age to stop the renaissance that threatens the monopoly of power.
01:07:28
Speaker 4: So here's what's interesting. I know that it's tired for us to play him talking about that Obama saying they can't have cars and air conditioners and flying in on a plane. The reason that I kept it in this time is because what he was saying is literally what Alex says. Why don't you say this? Like he says, why don't you say you could have clean cars and clean air conditioning? And the point that Obama was making was we can't, we can't, modernize the entire world the same way we have modernized the world the first world that we have now we made a lot of mistakes on the way we have to be smarter about the technologies that we use or else the world is going to boil over and so it's particularly offensive for me when alex uses this narrative to make a stab at barack obama then give a why doesn't he say this and says exactly what obama was saying.
01:08:23
Speaker 2: I think that does get into something that is true though what's that One of the biggest problems Alex has with Obama is he just.
01:08:33
Speaker 4: Doesn't talk like me. Sure. Doesn't look like me.
01:08:37
Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily think it's that either.
01:08:40
Speaker 4: He thinks he's smart.
01:08:41
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. I think there's this.
01:08:43
Speaker 2: Huge anti-intellectual movement that coincides with being on the right wing.
01:08:49
Speaker 4: That's why you have a professor like Hamamoto on.
01:08:51
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:08:51
Speaker 4: Yeah. And there's a lot of really smart professors.
01:08:54
Speaker 6: They hate smart people. They hate experts. They hate all those people.
01:08:58
Speaker 4: Right here's you know why you.
01:08:59
Speaker 2: Know why i often get you know why you don't have any common sense dude you guys are so smart but you don't have any common sense you don't know how to solve this budget thing sure you know your math and your gay instruments.
01:09:11
Speaker 4: Well learning stuff is hard That's why. Don't understand. I generally think that the sentiment of anti-intellectualism that runs rampant around this here country of ours, it mostly comes from people that are abused in their own head with the idea that smart people are smart people and dumb people are dumb people. Or that there is some sort of an intrinsic thing where it's just innate. You guys are the fucking stupid. You think you're better than us because you were born smart or something like that.
01:09:43
Speaker 2: The born part is what they wind up getting kind of stuck on.
01:09:47
Speaker 4: And people don't take and they never come out and say as much necessarily. But I believe that's what's driving it when they don't realize that intelligence. I mean, you can make a nature nurture split, but the biggest piece of it is learning. The biggest piece of it is hard work and reading stuff. And learning and experiencing and talking to people.
01:10:07
Speaker 2: Dan, I think we're going to have to refer you back to the four ways to learn episode.
01:10:12
Speaker 4: Race memory.
01:10:12
Speaker 6: Race memory.
01:10:14
Speaker 4: That is how you learn. What was the other one? Well, I know that the best way to learn is to learn. That's true. I do know that. That's a good one. Yeah. So at this point, Alex is like, Hamamoto, you've got to talk to some callers. We've got to take some calls. All right. All right. This does not go well. Hamamoto calls? This doesn't go well. Okay. Here's why. Here's the caller that they get.
01:10:38
Speaker 1: Eddie in Illinois, you're on the air with Professor Hamamoto.
01:10:40
Speaker 4: Oh, I know Eddie.
01:10:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, how you doing, Alex?
01:10:43
Speaker 4: Good, brother. Get ready. Thanks, Dan. Get ready.
01:10:49
Speaker 6: That was great work right there. You played just enough, and then you real quick turned to the get ready.
01:10:54
Speaker 4: I need for you to not have an expectation that this is going to be fun. Okay. This is going to be pretty sad. Okay. And not Hamamoto heavy at all.
01:11:03
Speaker 3: Okay.
01:11:05
Speaker 10: I just want to say real quick that I'm in the middle of a change in my life, and I have a question. I bought the DNA Force and Oxy Powder. I lost my job.
01:11:15
Speaker 8: 816-820-5770.
01:11:16
Speaker 10: Hold on a second.
01:11:20
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, brother.
01:11:21
Speaker 8: We can't give phone numbers out on air, but I appreciate that because somebody could call in with somebody else's number as a form of harassment. I'm not saying you're doing that, but we can't give phone numbers out. Sometimes we can give out 1-800 numbers if it's a known number, but that's a tactic. Sometimes people call in to talk radio and give out, say, their ex-wife's phone number.
01:11:40
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
01:11:42
Speaker 10: Sorry about that. I just want to say I am... In the season of giving, you know, in Illinois, they're saying you can't film the cops. It's going to be a felony. I'm getting ready to be evicted. I'm a very good person. I'm just wondering how I can, you know, I pray to God.
01:12:01
Speaker 1: Now, I hear you, brother. I hear you, and I appreciate your call.
01:12:03
Speaker 8: You know, you can give out your e-mail if you wanted people to contact you locally and have them work with you.
01:12:07
Speaker 1: What's your e-mail? He's gone.
01:12:11
Speaker 8: You're going to see that as the economy collapses and more and more people can't get a job and are kicked off their unemployment.
01:12:18
Speaker 4: First things first, unemployment is unemployment insurance that's paid for by taxes. Second thing, Alex absolutely hung up on that guy.
01:12:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:12:28
Speaker 4: Undoubtedly. You think so? The guy didn't hang up. He was in the middle of a sentence when Alex cut him off with his... general, we're done with this call kind of language. Right. And then he's like, hey, what's your email? He absolutely fucking cut that guy off and hung up on him. I don't know if he did it personally. Maybe the call screener did it.
01:12:48
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably more likely the miscommunication or something like that.
01:12:52
Speaker 4: Whatever it is, that is a unempathic, real shitty. I mean, I know there's still.
01:12:57
Speaker 6: If he did do it personally.
01:12:59
Speaker 4: They're still trying to make a show. And I understand that. Do you think he has a button?
01:13:03
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:13:03
Speaker 4: Probably.
01:13:04
Speaker 6: You think he has a hard and.
01:13:06
Speaker 4: Fast, like... I bet he has a dump button of some sort. Or at least the people behind the board know, like, if someone starts cussing, hit the button. Yeah. Because there was... Actually, I found an episode where Robert David Steele was on, and he's like, Trump doesn't give a shit about us. Right. And then Alex is like, ooh, we are on radio. Uh-oh.
01:13:24
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:13:25
Speaker 8: So.
01:13:27
Speaker 4: No, I just think that's real. That was very sad.
01:13:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker 4: That was sad.
01:13:30
Speaker 6: He lied about buying the DNA force.
01:13:33
Speaker 4: No, no. He might have really.
01:13:35
Speaker 6: He might have really.
01:13:36
Speaker 4: Back when he had a job. Yeah.
01:13:37
Speaker 2: But essentially what he was doing is I'm going to give you this.
01:13:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you can give me this. Yeah.
01:13:43
Speaker 2: You can give me the opportunity to put my name out there and number and maybe some people.
01:13:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:13:48
Speaker 4: I'm going to be evicted from my house.
01:13:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:13:50
Speaker 4: And instead, Alex just hangs up on him.
01:13:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:13:53
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:13:53
Speaker 4: It's real shitty. And then he's, like, trying to score points with talking about how, like, eh, you know, people are going to be losing their unemployment.
01:14:00
Speaker 3: Right.
01:14:00
Speaker 4: Like, again.
01:14:02
Speaker 2: That's an assistance program. A program that you hate so very, very much.
01:14:05
Speaker 4: Right.
01:14:06
Speaker 2: You're advocating getting rid of that stuff. Everybody hates Medicare until they're on Medicare. And then all of a sudden they're like, wait a second. I don't think this is a good idea to defund this.
01:14:15
Speaker 4: Oh, why are you taking so much out of my check for these taxes? Oh, my God. I'm sick and I've lost my job.
01:14:20
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:14:20
Speaker 2: It's like what happened when fucking coach was on Fox News and he was like, listen, I've been on welfare. I've been on unemployment. And I think those are bad programs because they saved my life. Like, he just pulled Craig T.
01:14:32
Speaker 4: Nelson. Oh, okay.
01:14:33
Speaker 6: Did you never see that one?
01:14:34
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out if you were talking about Coach. Coach. Or if you had a coach. There's only one coach. Okay. There's only one coach. I was also thinking you might have been talking about Jonathan Coachman. No. One coach. Craig T. Nelson. One true coach. Exactly. All praise. This call did not go well. And this is not what you want when Hamamoto's in studio.
01:14:54
Speaker 6: No, that was kind of a bummer.
01:14:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually labeled bummer caller.
01:15:00
Speaker 4: But guess what?
01:15:01
Speaker 5: What?
01:15:01
Speaker 4: We have something to pick us up. Okay. Out of the ashes of that phone call comes a new guest.
01:15:09
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan is our guest, or as I say it in Texas, drawl where we butcher names.
01:15:14
Speaker 1: Billy Corgan.
01:15:14
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan.
01:15:15
Speaker 1: Billy Corgan. You ought to pronounce his name right.
01:15:20
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan. And he's not in a hotel room. He's flown in and landed. He is in the airport right now. So I can't wait to have him back in studio next time he's in Austin. He's a regular listener and he's just a great guy. I learned that he was a listener through a man cow, a fellow friend. And he's a really smart guy, one of the smartest people I've talked to, not just in music or entertainment, but period. And Billy Corgan has actually taught me quite a.
01:15:47
Speaker 4: Bit about perspective and how.
01:15:49
Speaker 8: To see the world and has helped me mature some. And I think that's why out of the blue for the last decade or so, you see just random hit pieces, even though there's no scandals, no dirt, nothing. That's why you see Anderson Cooper in the middle of the CIA attacking him.
01:16:08
Speaker 4: So, yeah, dude, when I fucking pulled open this episode and it said the guests were Hamamoto and Billy Corgan, I was like, holy shit. Wow. This is the goods. So all these hatchet pieces about Billy Corgan are easily explained by Billy Corgan is a fucking asshole. Seems like it. If you just look, this shortest Google search will turn up at least ten instances of him being total dicks to bands he performs with. Yeah. And so everybody's got a, oh yeah, Billy Corgan was a total asshole to me kind of story. Yeah, I mean, he's notorious for being a prick.
01:16:47
Speaker 2: Most people think Billy Corgan affected them through their music and helped them kind of grow that way, and Alex is like, Nah, he's kind of a shitty musician, but let me tell you about this guy in chemtrails.
01:16:57
Speaker 4: Fucking made me mature quite a bit. He's anti-vaccination. We know that for sure. Oh, God. He's a mess. But also... What? At the end of that clip, he said that Anderson Cooper from the CIA put not hit pieces about him. Hey, Coops.
01:17:17
Speaker 7: And.
01:17:18
Speaker 2: I don't know how to get into this.
01:17:23
Speaker 4: Just get into it, baby. So Anderson Cooper had a segment on his show, Anderson Cooper 360, around this time that was called The Ridiculist. Solid pun. Solid pun. I'm going to be honest with you. Wordplay. It's local TV-level hackery.
01:17:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:17:41
Speaker 4: You know, it's just filler.
01:17:42
Speaker 6: It's the top ten list of shit.
01:17:44
Speaker 4: Somewhat, yeah. It's like an attempt at a comedy piece within the middle. And you know what? I think Anderson Cooper is actually really funny. I've heard him on radio shows, and I like him a lot. Okay. Like, he's been on... Back in the day, he was on Loveline a couple times, and he's been... I've listened to a couple of, like, clips of him on Howard Stern, and he's.
01:18:04
Speaker 2: A super personable... comfortable in his own skin, present, funny guy.
01:18:09
Speaker 4: Born rich. And this segment is not. Okay. It's not great. It's definitely not great. Yeah. He had a bad producer. It wasn't him.
01:18:20
Speaker 6: Or does he come off as stiff and kind of shitty at it?
01:18:23
Speaker 4: No, I think we are comedians, and when you're looking for a premise, you should try a little harder. What happened was there was an issue of Pause Chicago. Which Paws is the no-kill shelter, one of the big ones here in Chicago. And Billy Corgan did a cover of the magazine with a couple of cats and you know, the headline Siamese Dream. And so he was on the cover of Chicago magazine. I don't appreciate that. And so at the same around the same time, he did a commercial for a furniture store in Chicago. And the point of Anderson Cooper's piece was like. It's difficult to wrestle.
01:19:06
Speaker 6: Billy Corgan is an asshole.
01:19:07
Speaker 4: It's difficult to wrestle with the idea of musicians getting older and that sort of thing. He presents it a little bit. Ice Cube is in family films. He presents it a little.
01:19:17
Speaker 2: Bit like it's sad that he's doing these things.
01:19:22
Speaker 6: Ice Cube is in family films.
01:19:24
Speaker 4: That's shitty, though, because the reality is that Billy Corgan did do that cover for Charity. There was like a charity piece attached to it. He didn't get paid for it or anything like that. Yeah, he's no Ice Cube. He's not taking that money home. And he's a supporter of the pause. And it is a no kill shelter. It's all great.
01:19:42
Speaker 6: Pause is great.
01:19:43
Speaker 4: But the other piece. They should get Ice Cube to do something. The other piece of it, too, though, is that furniture commercial. That's not excusable that way. But it is out of character. You know, like it beyond the saying you're washed up and it's a money thing.
01:19:58
Speaker 9: Right.
01:19:58
Speaker 4: It's also like you are avant-garde. You were someone who, when I was younger, I thought was really creative and rocking.
01:20:06
Speaker 6: Snoop Dogg has a game show.
01:20:07
Speaker 4: And the cover is weird. It looks really weird. If you look it up, it's mockable on its own. Yeah. You should have taken another shot, Billy. Right. It looks bad. Take two picks. But then even here, I'm going to play you the end of this Anderson Cooper piece, and you'll hear that he takes the piss out of himself at the end, too. You know what?
01:20:27
Speaker 3: Maybe the internet is the real problem here. There was a time that nobody outside of Chicago would have ever seen the cover of Paul's Chicago magazine. But nowadays, you can't even pose for the cover of WebMD magazine. Wait a minute, that's me on the cover of WebMD. Okay, look, for the record, I have no memory of posing for the cover of WebMD, though apparently I did.
01:20:49
Speaker 4: I gave an interview.
01:20:50
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing.
01:20:51
Speaker 4: On the cover of it. Anyway, let's... Like I said, it's not good comedy, but he even calls himself out a little bit.
01:21:00
Speaker 6: He even got sad at the end there.
01:21:01
Speaker 4: Kind of.
01:21:02
Speaker 6: That's not how you end that bit. You don't end that bit maudlin.
01:21:05
Speaker 4: It's not great, but at the same time, there is an element of it where he's like, Hey, I do it too.
01:21:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:21:13
Speaker 4: And whatever. Yeah, he was trying to make that point. Yeah, he was trying to bring it full circle that it's like, I'm not really being that mean. Right. I needed to fill a human interest piece. I'm taking the piss out of you.
01:21:22
Speaker 2: It's not because I hate you or don't like you or disrespect you. It's because, hey, we all do dumb shit and it's fun to point it out.
01:21:29
Speaker 4: It was the softest of hits possible. And, oh boy, almost the entire interview with Alex is about this. Of course. Because Billy Corgan's an asshole. Billy Corgan's an asshole. All right. All right.
01:21:49
Speaker 6: So if I understand the timeline correctly.
01:21:52
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:21:53
Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper makes a bad joke at Billy Corgan's expense.
01:21:56
Speaker 7: Right.
01:21:57
Speaker 4: Billy Corgan chooses. Billy Corgan goes.
01:21:59
Speaker 2: On Infowars not realizing how much sadder that is than being on the cover of Paws Magazine.
01:22:05
Speaker 4: I propose a solution to this that Billy Corgan could have taken very easily.
01:22:11
Speaker 6: Shut the fuck up.
01:22:11
Speaker 4: No. Oh, that's funny. I wish they would have called and I could have told them about the charity and all that. But that's fine. That's fine. People make jokes and whatever. It's a misunderstanding. Whatever.
01:22:23
Speaker 6: Go about your fucking business.
01:22:24
Speaker 2: Instead he goes on Infowars and he's like, I'm taking that charity money back.
01:22:27
Speaker 4: He's not mad, but he is furious. Anyway, let's get to the first clip. This is nonsense. All right.
01:22:35
Speaker 8: You heard my intro there. There's so much to get into. Let's talk about Anderson Cooper first. Not that he even matters, has almost no viewers, dinosaur media. But at the same time, it's so clear that every time you've got an album about to come out, the hit pieces begin.
01:22:51
Speaker 4: Almost like your publicist is encouraging that sort of thing. Who would have guessed? Maybe your publicist sent a copy of this cover to Anderson Cooper's producers.
01:22:58
Speaker 6: Probably a good idea.
01:22:59
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:23:00
Speaker 1: Because they want to slap you down.
01:23:03
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it's pretty strange. I don't know if your listeners know the context of this, but I did a cover for a charity called Cause Chicago. It's a no-kill shelter model.
01:23:13
Speaker 1: Very proud.
01:23:14
Speaker 9: I've helped raise, along with my partner in the band, Jeff, about a quarter million dollars for the charity. One of my proudest things I've ever done is being involved in animal rights issues. And it was about six months ago. You know, the image went viral. It's me and my rescue cats on the cover of the magazine. Never in a million years did I think I'd start getting attacked. And out of nowhere, four or five months later, there I am being made fun of. No context for the fact that it's a charity magazine. Basically presented as if I've fallen so far off the celebrity radar that I'm reduced to doing a cat magazine. Ben ties it into kind of a where has he gone, whatever happened to him kind of thing, kind of mocking my participation in professional wrestling. No mention of my new album, no mention of my successes, nothing. It's as if I just disappeared off the celebrity map. Very strange. And I think he's probably been a bit shocked by the reaction because, A, I fought back, which you're not supposed to do. You're supposed to take your licks and just put your tail between your legs because the mighty CNN has spoken.
01:24:16
Speaker 4: Or just be a grown-up about it. You know, like, maybe send them a request for a correction, even. That would be not too far off the mature path.
01:24:25
Speaker 6: I actually, I find his argument to be somewhat convincing.
01:24:30
Speaker 8: No.
01:24:30
Speaker 7: I do.
01:24:30
Speaker 4: He's a rock star.
01:24:32
Speaker 2: And he's an aging rock star, and he's not aging the way that the Rolling Stones do. So he's feeling bitter because no matter how successful you get, you're always going to feel bitter about not being more successful. And then he's got a good point.
01:24:46
Speaker 4: That is the way that Cooper pulled that piece. He's lived like 15, 20 years, 25 years pissed off that he's not Nirvana. That is his existence. And because of that, there is probably an oppression complex, much like Hamamoto's got, like everybody in the Infowars universe does, that he's being held down and that his greatness isn't being recognized. How does Hamamoto feel about Billy Corgan? Loves him. Loves Billy Corgan? I don't fucking know. They didn't mention it. I want to know. I don't know. I'll call him.
01:25:14
Speaker 6: This is the only thing I'm interested in now.
01:25:17
Speaker 4: Let me ring that boy. Oh, man.
01:25:19
Speaker 6: We could totally get Hamamoto on the phone.
01:25:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, we probably could. We could totally do it. Let's look into that.
01:25:25
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:25:25
Speaker 4: Let's get our talent booker on that. Yeah.
01:25:28
Speaker 6: The email system is our talent booker.
01:25:34
Speaker 4: Look, here's as far as I'm willing to go with you on this. I'm willing to agree that he has a good point. He's got a good point. It was misrepresented, but I don't believe super maliciously. If you are an adult looking at that, your best play is to not get mad about it and to be like, it's a human interest piece. They kind of were.
01:25:59
Speaker 6: As an adult, I agree with you.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: As a person promoting your next album, I disagree.
01:26:06
Speaker 6: I think the smart play there is to start a fucking shit war.
01:26:09
Speaker 4: Maybe.
01:26:09
Speaker 2: And then get more people paying attention to you and more people realize that you have another album out.
01:26:14
Speaker 4: If that's the game.
01:26:15
Speaker 6: Then yes.
01:26:16
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:26:16
Speaker 6: If he's playing the game, man, he's crushing it.
01:26:18
Speaker 4: Well, okay.
01:26:19
Speaker 6: I'm on his team.
01:26:20
Speaker 4: All right.
01:26:20
Speaker 2: I'm on Billy Corgan's team is the first time I've ever said that.
01:26:23
Speaker 4: All right, fine. Let's see him talk more about it. Okay. Just to give you a little bit of.
01:26:29
Speaker 9: Context on the other side of it. Right after the Anderson Cooper thing kind of went viral. I know you put a story on your site, and I gave a quote for that.
01:26:38
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's why it went viral.
01:26:41
Speaker 9: When that sort of kind of ticked back up into the mainstream consciousness, I probably did about ten interviews in the next couple of days.
01:26:47
Speaker 10: And in seven of the ten interviews, I was.
01:26:49
Speaker 9: Asked about the Anderson Cooper flap. And five of the seven people who interviewed me had no idea it was for a charity.
01:26:55
Speaker 4: And then my response could have been, oh, it's interesting. Actually, Pause Chicago is this really great no-kill shelter, and I was doing it to support them. Everyone kind of misunderstands. I understand.
01:27:04
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining that when my agent sent out the press release to Anderson Cooper's producer.
01:27:09
Speaker 4: Right. Maybe they could have done a better job for immediate release. Billy Corgan does cover for charity instead of Billy Corgan does very weird-looking picture shoot. Yeah. This is all bad.
01:27:21
Speaker 6: I'm telling you.
01:27:22
Speaker 4: Okay. What if it were Kanye?
01:27:24
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:27:26
Speaker 4: Kanye's not coming on InfoWars.
01:27:27
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, what if they were Kanye?
01:27:29
Speaker 2: Kanye gets the same result from Anderson Cooper on a CNN piece. Then Kanye goes on Fox News and goes on Hannity and he's like, fuck this guy.
01:27:40
Speaker 6: I'm still on Kanye's side.
01:27:44
Speaker 9: So that shows you that there's still a little effectiveness.
01:27:46
Speaker 4: Oh, I agree.
01:27:47
Speaker 9: Counting on that low information crowd will be on headlines.
01:27:50
Speaker 4: That's it.
01:27:51
Speaker 8: They are targeting a low-information crowd. But, again, that crowd of zombies really don't even matter anymore. I mean, I'm sad to say that it's like they're almost not even people.
01:28:01
Speaker 4: Billy Corgan. Less on their side now. Billy Corgan, in his defense of himself, is like all these low-information people who only go off headlines.
01:28:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one. I'm not a fan of that one.
01:28:13
Speaker 4: You will turn on Billy by the end of this.
01:28:15
Speaker 9: Okay.
01:28:16
Speaker 6: That's what this whole episode is about.
01:28:18
Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you that he did a good thing for charity, and it was probably miscommunicated, but he's a fucking asshole. Anyway. You're biased against assholes. No, I'm fine with it. Most of my friends are assholes. That's true. I'm an asshole. Yeah. So anyway, here is, I don't know, let's talk more about Anderson Cooper.
01:28:38
Speaker 1: Speaking of Anderson Cooper, he really is... a CIA guy. He really was in the CIA.
01:28:42
Speaker 4: Prove it.
01:28:42
Speaker 1: Not just an intern. Prove it.
01:28:44
Speaker 4: He really is.
01:28:45
Speaker 8: The grandson of one of the biggest dynasties in the country.
01:28:49
Speaker 1: What is it, the Astors?
01:28:50
Speaker 2: Nope.
01:28:51
Speaker 8: So he's a little rich kid. Given everything he's got, he's failed. He has some of the worst ratings on CNN.
01:28:57
Speaker 4: Nope.
01:28:57
Speaker 8: So I would feel good, Billy, just to have this.
01:29:00
Speaker 1: this, this joke, this failure that was given everything. I mean, you came from nowhere. I came from nowhere. He was given everything. He's the opposite of Americana.
01:29:10
Speaker 9: You know, I think what's interesting, um, to me, uh, you know, uh, I try to stay out of the personal side of it. Um, although I did say the other day, I wasn't born with a silver spoon on my arse.
01:29:19
Speaker 4: Like, like I tried to stay out of the personal stuff, except for this example of the other day when I got into the personal stuff.
01:29:25
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:29:26
Speaker 4: Well, he said he tried. He didn't say he succeeded.
01:29:29
Speaker 9: Um, I think it's very interesting that there is a level of arrogance here. That crowd, whatever that crowd is, and I've hung with them. I've been in those rooms.
01:29:38
Speaker 10: And so have you.
01:29:39
Speaker 4: I've been to those parties.
01:29:40
Speaker 10: And so have you.
01:29:41
Speaker 9: That crowd really thinks they can sort of flick us off the shoulder anytime they want. And what they don't realize is that people like you and me, we're just symbols of a much greater conversation. They don't understand that a vast part of our country is waking up, is breaking this hypnosis, this grip of hypnosis, and they can't see it. They literally can't see it. They do not think they literally think they can just double down, triple down on these narratives and these false paradigms. And the public's just going to keep laughing them up.
01:30:09
Speaker 4: Sounds a lot like Alex's listeners.
01:30:12
Speaker 5: What?
01:30:12
Speaker 6: OK, so if I understand that correctly.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
01:30:16
Speaker 2: Billy Corgan goes from a CNN did this dumb piece about me.
01:30:21
Speaker 4: I'm going to be all angry about it.
01:30:23
Speaker 6: You're making me act like a C-list celebrity.
01:30:26
Speaker 2: Instead of saying that I'm doing a great thing for charity.
01:30:29
Speaker 4: I have an album. Two.
01:30:32
Speaker 2: There's a great awakening coming. CNN is the enemy.
01:30:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the only other thing they talk about other than Anderson Cooper in this interview is that everyone's asleep. Yeah. Like that. There's just zombies all around.
01:30:45
Speaker 6: What about his new album?
01:30:46
Speaker 4: Also, I mean, they do talk about that a bit. Billy Corgan did come from humble beginnings, but Alex didn't. His dad was a millionaire dentist.
01:30:54
Speaker 6: Paid for his first show, as we all know.
01:30:57
Speaker 4: And he had multiple dental practices and owned tons of property in Austin. Oh, really? Yeah. So he was a millionaire growing up. Well, then fuck that. Yeah. And I'm going to wait until this next clip plays, but I got some harsh truths about Anderson Cooper that... Alex is probably not willing to deal with.
01:31:14
Speaker 7: Right.
01:31:14
Speaker 1: How could you.
01:31:15
Speaker 8: Not be eyes open at this point? And his mother was a Vanderbilt, the heir of the entire Vanderbilt fortune, not a.
01:31:24
Speaker 1: Asked her but it doesn't matter they're interrelated.
01:31:25
Speaker 8: And again nothing wrong with being the last male heir of one of the biggest robber baron horrible dynasties it's just give us a break anderson cooper because i don't even get into fighting with these personalities but at the same time.
01:31:38
Speaker 1: Yes you do i think it's important to not just respond and.
01:31:40
Speaker 8: Say hey i'm helping a cat charity leave me alone don't try to make me you know look like it has been when i'm not everybody knows that you've been popular all along.
01:31:48
Speaker 4: You've been great billy billy you're the best you're the best billy.
01:31:52
Speaker 6: Have you tried this uh B-12 that I'm getting out of here, Billy. Billy, let me tell you something.
01:31:57
Speaker 4: Dr. Hamamoto. It comes Dr. Hamamoto recommended. Yeah.
01:32:01
Speaker 2: If you want to get some more gay instruments... In your Smashing Pumpkins band. Come on down to hamamotosgayinstruments.com.
01:32:10
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, Anderson Cooper's mom, Gloria, is a Vanderbilt. Yeah. She comes from the Vanderbilt family.
01:32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:32:17
Speaker 4: He is not the last male heir in the vast Vanderbilt fortune. No, I'm assuming they got a bunch. He's been very clear in interviews throughout the entirety of his career that he was told at a very young age that he was disinherited from the family's wealth. That there was no trust fund for him. He's interpreted it as if I knew that there was a trust fund, I would have never tried to succeed. I don't know a lot of people who have billions or millions of dollars waiting for them that have a drive to succeed. And I'm very glad that they disinherited me when I was a kid, that I had no inheritance. A lot of people don't believe him. But the actual real likelihood is that there is no money. Yeah. Yeah, that's much more likely. His mom, Gloria, inherited the equivalent of $ 33 million, not adjusted for inflation. So it would be $ 33 million now in 1925. That's a long fucking time ago.
01:33:13
Speaker 6: His mom is old. How old is Anderson Cooper?
01:33:18
Speaker 4: He's probably 50-something, maybe 52.
01:33:21
Speaker 6: He looks great.
01:33:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does. He looks great. He looks amazing. You know what it is? Trust fund money. I like Anderson Cooper. I get it. I get it.
01:33:31
Speaker 2: That's your real issue here. You're on Anderson Cooper's side against Billy Corgan.
01:33:35
Speaker 4: I can be impartial. I don't think you can. I think you don't like Billy Corgan. I'm calling it down the middle.
01:33:40
Speaker 6: Is this a benevolent minor celebrity situation that.
01:33:42
Speaker 4: We're running into again? I've not met any of them.
01:33:44
Speaker 6: You met Billy Corgan or Anderson Cooper.
01:33:46
Speaker 4: Who hurt you? Dan, who hurt you?
01:33:48
Speaker 7: No one.
01:33:51
Speaker 4: Look, the issue is I'm calling it down the middle. I'm telling you that I think that it's correct that it's not right to clearly bring up that it is a charity thing that he did. Although also in 2009, Billy Corgan auctioned off the right to buy him lunch. Someone paid $ 6, 000 to get lunch with him but had to pick up the tab.
01:34:13
Speaker 5: I mean.
01:34:15
Speaker 4: It's a little asshole-ish. I think you can... So I'm just saying charity stuff.
01:34:18
Speaker 2: I think you can deduct the price of the meal along with your charity.
01:34:21
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway.
01:34:23
Speaker 6: They donated $ 6, 000.
01:34:24
Speaker 2: And I would say probably like $ 142 worth of McDonald's.
01:34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Anderson Cooper's mom inherited the equivalent of $ 33 million in 1925 and family wrangling over the trust eventually accelerated her control of a slightly bigger share. A lifetime of artistic and business pursuits presumably helped her independent cash flow, but unless she stopped taking distributions long ago... Nine decades is a long time for a traditional trust to run. People have muttered that the trust was actually empty by the 1950s. And it's unclear how much money the designer jeans and perfume line that she put out actually made her. By the time the perfume came out, she was already fighting her partners over a relatively insignificant $ 1. 3 million. A few years later, a Manhattan court ruled that her lawyer and psychiatrist had colluded to misappropriate a whopping $ 1. 4 million from her accounts. In the meantime, the IRS seized and liquidated her assets to pay a $ 2. 5 million tax bill. So there's a lot of indications that she's– They went broke.
01:35:23
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:35:24
Speaker 4: No, they did a.
01:35:25
Speaker 2: Study on it, and most inherited wealth is dead by the fourth generation or something along those lines. Absolutely, because it becomes diffuse. There's so many people that are in on it. Right, and the guy who made all the money, generally speaking, comes from a different place. And if you're born into wealth, generally speaking, you're not going to be very good with money.
01:35:45
Speaker 4: And so there's a really good chance that when Anderson Cooper was a child— his parents told him that he's disinherited and there is no inheritance waiting for him.
01:35:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:35:54
Speaker 4: And he interpreted it as a way to stiffen him up and make him more thirsty for life or whatever. But the reality is that there was no money there or there's a little bit of money, like a couple million.
01:36:04
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:36:04
Speaker 4: Something like that. But they had... a lot of property and they were in with social classes. Right. And so there was the appearance of royalty or luxury lifestyle when they were really just probably pretty upper middle class. Yeah. Or lower upper class or whatever. They weren't like old money, the Carnegie's of old or whatever. So Alex's whole presentation about him. They weren't in the Great Gatsby or whatever. He's just trying to stoke up sort of like class anger that he doesn't deserve to play with. Because, Alex, you probably have more money than his mom. Yeah, I know.
01:36:40
Speaker 2: They probably started out at a relatively similar monetary position.
01:36:44
Speaker 4: Right. It's just the image of the Vanderbilts comes with so much loaded baggage for Alex that he can't... Well, they're Illuminati. Prop 2 is making a great point on the message boards. Alex does come from royalty. Confederate royalty. That's true. Good point. That's a fair point. Um, in his next clip, Billy Corgan, uh, while he's been railing this entire time, uh, that Anderson Cooper has called him a washed up celebrity on this, uh, this puff piece, uh, human interest, nonsense, uh, missed comedy, uh, segment.
01:37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:37:19
Speaker 4: I think in this clip, if you listen closely, Billy Corgan kind of says that his career is not going great.
01:37:25
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:37:27
Speaker 9: You know, we have to remember, those of us that are awake, there are so many people that are in that horrible moment of like, wow, if this stuff is true, what do I do?
01:37:35
Speaker 10: And we see that more and more now.
01:37:37
Speaker 9: You see people waking up, and it's really shocking to them that they've been given a lie sort of all along. And as you sit in bars and, you know, around coffee houses and talk to people about what's really going on, you can see that it's not so much that they don't know that something's happening. They just don't know what.
01:37:52
Speaker 1: To do about it.
01:37:53
Speaker 9: So we have to continue to prepare the way. And, you know, this is not some begging appeal, you know, to be supported as an artist. But what I would say to everybody is the artists in many ways are some of the most dangerous people in the world because we have that street credibility to go out and sing some gospel. And that's what makes me dangerous is once my career starts rolling in the right direction again, well, here I come because, well, how is it possible? I mean, they've tried to kill me how many times? And, you know, the Anderson Cooper is just a small example getting kicked in the shin.
01:38:23
Speaker 4: He did it.
01:38:24
Speaker 5: What?
01:38:25
Speaker 4: He did it.
01:38:25
Speaker 2: I wrote down the moment he started talking about all that stuff. I wrote down, go to an ad pivot. Just like Alex Jones. He just nailed the Alex Jones. That's why I'm dangerous. That's what I'm doing.
01:38:37
Speaker 6: So once we get that career going, once we get that money.
01:38:40
Speaker 4: Going, that's right. You did write that down.
01:38:41
Speaker 6: I wrote down go to an ad pivot.
01:38:42
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:38:43
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:38:43
Speaker 4: And he fucking nailed it. He listens to Alex Jones. Yeah, he probably does. He's got his. He got that down. But at the same time, even beyond that.
01:38:52
Speaker 2: They're afraid of me because I'm the leader of the people who are awake. They can't stop me, which is why you guys need to go out and buy my new album.
01:38:59
Speaker 4: And that is what happens next.
01:39:00
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:39:01
Speaker 4: They do talk about buying his album. Of course. But at the same time, first of all, I'm getting very impressed with your ability to pick out these subtle versions of the ad pivot.
01:39:10
Speaker 2: You have hit me with so many ad pivots at this point. I'm starting to become a connoisseur. This is the education. That's what it is.
01:39:18
Speaker 4: I'm a better educator than Hamamoto at this point. And show you the way. Look through Alex's bullshit.
01:39:24
Speaker 2: Ooh, we got to get you a tenor class at the University of Missouri.
01:39:27
Speaker 4: You know what? How to go to an ad pivot. You know what? When you said he did it, I thought what you were saying, and I was going to double down on, was that I think he gave away that he probably planted the story about Paz.
01:39:41
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
01:39:42
Speaker 4: Because when he says in there, my career gets going in the right direction again. Yeah. He's this blustery nonsense about, like, Oh, you're saying that I'm washed up? My career's not going in the right direction. Right, right. What are you doing?
01:39:57
Speaker 2: Well, the reason it's not going in the right direction is because not enough people are awake. Not enough people know they've got a red pillet and get rid of this CNN, Anderson Cooper, Vanderbilt bullshit and start listening to.
01:40:10
Speaker 6: The new Smashing Pumpkins album out in two weeks.
01:40:13
Speaker 4: Here is one of the most grandiose and nonsensical plugs for Billy Corgan's album that happens right after this.
01:40:20
Speaker 8: If people go out and support independent artists that are speaking out against tyranny, that's great music as well, and buy your album at SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com and then play it for friends and then ask that it be played on the radio or share it with their friends, that's how you bring the system down. You've got to go further and decide you want to promote cultures of liberty. I can't tell you historically how many kings, how many corrupt dynasties, were brought down by a jester telling jokes that became viral in ancient times, or by the local band, or even one guy with his, they didn't have guitars back then, you know, one guy with his little mandolin or whatever, singing songs about the corrupt nobility, that would change it. So a song or an idea that isn't in the hands of the system could bring them down, and that's why they target people like you.
01:41:17
Speaker 4: I think that's Matrix shit. But at the same time, Jordan.
01:41:20
Speaker 6: How do you get rid of oppressive regimes, Dan?
01:41:23
Speaker 4: Well, I know that.
01:41:24
Speaker 6: Buy my shit.
01:41:25
Speaker 4: This machine kills fascists. That is exactly what he's doing right there.
01:41:29
Speaker 2: He's doing the full-on... You don't go out and do any activism.
01:41:34
Speaker 6: What you do, you wait for somebody to write a song.
01:41:37
Speaker 4: And you buy it. You buy the stuff that I promote. You buy the song. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's shameful. But then at the same time, I've studied a bit of history in my life. I know that you're a student of history as well. Yeah, that's not how it works. Do you know of any kings that were brought down by jesters or song? Or is that just an archetype that artists tell themselves? Oh, boy.
01:41:58
Speaker 5: Um.
01:41:59
Speaker 4: Let's see.
01:42:00
Speaker 2: Henry VIII, he was brought down by Flatulus the Great.
01:42:06
Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
01:42:06
Speaker 6: Who was a Greek time-traveling farter.
01:42:09
Speaker 4: He did mimed farts. Exactly.
01:42:11
Speaker 2: Right.
01:42:13
Speaker 4: Let's see. No. No. The answer is no. No.
01:42:16
Speaker 6: The 60s did shit.
01:42:18
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:42:19
Speaker 2: Where's our new protest music? Well, it didn't fucking work last time. Where's our new protest anything?
01:42:25
Speaker 4: I mean, Billy Corgan even gets into that a little bit. He's like, where's the political music now? Like, who cares? Yeah. But anyway. It went to hip hop, asshole. So now Alex gets weird because they're already talking about the potency of song and all that stuff. Yeah. And in this next clip, Alex reveals something real weird.
01:42:46
Speaker 8: Now we're going to post this video later today on Facebook and Twitter. It needs to go viral because he has a lot of courage saying what he's saying because they really come after people. And I got to be very careful here what I'm going to say about John Lennon. But they made a film six, seven years ago that won a bunch of awards that had the declassified documents where Strom Thurmond, the senator and others said, we want him taken out. We know the suspicious way he was killed. I'm just going to stop right there. But I've talked to the highest level people and been told stuff about what really went on and then what happened to them afterwards and everything. And I can tell you, the FBI and the CIA killed John Lennon. And then they went on a campaign to cover up what they did with their patsy. And so that's why when we talk about this, folks, it's very dangerous.
01:43:32
Speaker 4: What aren't you telling people? You told people everything. He's just like, look, I can't tell you what I know, but here's all of it. Mm-hmm.
01:43:45
Speaker 6: Is that a thing?
01:43:46
Speaker 4: No.
01:43:46
Speaker 6: Do people believe that?
01:43:47
Speaker 4: Alex might.
01:43:48
Speaker 2: Do people believe that the FBI and the CIA working together, which they don't traditionally do.
01:43:53
Speaker 4: Especially not back then. Killed John Lennon. I mean.
01:43:56
Speaker 6: In Britain.
01:43:57
Speaker 4: If you're awake. Oh, yeah. On foreign soil. Is that what they did? Wait, he was in New York, wasn't he? Oh, that's right. He was in New York. Yeah, he was at that hotel.
01:44:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
01:44:10
Speaker 4: Sorry. Come on. They picked the right time. It would have been funnier. It would have been a lot funnier. It would have been much more unrealistic. No, I don't think. I don't know.
01:44:18
Speaker 2: Well, unless that was all part of the cover up and they killed him back in Liverpool when he was nine.
01:44:23
Speaker 4: I mean, some people believe that Paul McCartney is still alive. So, I mean, it takes all kinds. You understand? I mean, it's weird. Anyway, this next clip is. All right. This next clip is on. I got it. Okay. This next clip is unfortunate in hindsight because they start talking about how– I don't even remember how they got onto this topic. It's not important, but this is dumb.
01:44:48
Speaker 8: Almost all local news is written in New York or L.A.
01:44:52
Speaker 1: Or D.C.
01:44:53
Speaker 8: This is on record and packaged and sent. You tell them the local story, and then they send down what you say. Or it's read off a teleprompter if it's a national story.
01:45:02
Speaker 7: Right.
01:45:03
Speaker 9: So if there's a man in a high castle somewhere, there's not a lot of them. But they're able to, through their control and their media control, sort of manipulate the storyline.
01:45:14
Speaker 10: Your listeners know.
01:45:15
Speaker 4: Yeah. Your listeners know. I don't know what he's alluding to. The listeners know.
01:45:19
Speaker 2: So on local news, when you're watching your local news, Action 6 or whatever it is, there's a good chance that they don't know what the story actually is. And only from New York or L.A. they are broadcasting teleprompter things. So the people sitting around at the desk are all reading, for the first time, local news.
01:45:41
Speaker 4: Well, there's one... I mean, that's nonsense. But at the same time, I want to say one thing really quick before I dive into this that's going to be damning. The Man in the High Castle wasn't about that. As a Philip K. Dick fan, don't use that as your metaphor. I know you visually think it makes sense.
01:45:57
Speaker 6: Oh, there's a man in a high castle.
01:45:58
Speaker 4: But that's not what the man in the high castle was doing.
01:46:00
Speaker 6: No, it's about a man in a high castle.
01:46:01
Speaker 4: No, that's not what was going on.
01:46:03
Speaker 2: Don't you remember Catching the Rye? It's about a dude catching all that fucking rye.
01:46:07
Speaker 4: So much rye. So much fucking rye. Alex's conception of what is going on with local news is sort of spiritually correct, but it's not correct in the way he conceives of it. Right.
01:46:19
Speaker 6: What he's talking about is Sinclair Broadcasting.
01:46:21
Speaker 4: Bingo.
01:46:22
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they are expanding and completing totalitarian control over all local news everywhere and forcing people to run their propaganda.
01:46:30
Speaker 4: Uh-huh. That's bad. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty interesting, too, if you look at what's happened with Sinclair Broadcasting. since Trump got into office.
01:46:38
Speaker 2: A lot of good things, strangely enough.
01:46:40
Speaker 4: It seems like they're coming out as a big winner. Yeah, Monday morning. This is back in, I believe, March of this year. Yes, that's correct. Oh, May, excuse me. This is an article from Common Dreams, which just aggregates stuff from other places. This is from the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting organization. Monday morning, Sinclair Broadcast Group, the conservative media behemoth that owns more local news stations than any other company in the country... just got even bigger. It announced that it was buying Tribune Media for $ 3. 9 billion, creating what Bloomberg calls a TV Goliath. The purchase, which gives Sinclair a staggering reach of nearly 69% of the U.S. population, would have been in violation of ownership restrictions just weeks ago. But last month, the Trump-appointed FCC chair Ajit Pai reinstated the UHF discount, an outdated loophole that allowed media conglomerates to exceed the nation's 39% cap on ownership of media stuff. Sinclair made a $ 420 million deal to buy Bonten Media Group the very next day. This sequence of events, quote, sure looks like a quid pro quo, as Craig Aaron of the media advocacy group Free Press has noted. Months ago, Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, told business executives, according to Politico, that, quote, Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair Broadcast Group during the campaign to try and secure better coverage. The deal, Politico reported, was that Sinclair would give Trump more uncritical coverage in exchange for more access to Trump and the campaign. Now, Trump appears to be using the considerable power of the federal government Communications Commission as his own personal ATM for political currency. Man, Trump's son is fucking stupid. He's so dumb. How did these guys win?
01:48:31
Speaker 2: Anyways, Ajit Pai, well, just recently they... I'm not done. Yeah, I was going to say, the one that was just a couple of weeks ago is fucking insane.
01:48:40
Speaker 4: Well, also, you've got to take into consideration that in the summer of this year, in June, or July, excuse me, this is from an article in Politico, Even while under fire for requiring its outlets to run conservative content, Sinclair Broadcast Group is increasing the, quote, must-run segments across its affiliates, featuring former Trump White House official Boris Abfazian, to nine times a week, the company confirmed Monday. Yeah, you have to run it.
01:49:13
Speaker 2: It must run nine times a week. Yeah, you have to run it.
01:49:17
Speaker 4: 69% of the coverage in the country of a conservative propaganda piece that is masked to look like local news being presented by a former Trump White House official. Also, they have pieces that are made by former Trump communications advisor Jason Miller.
01:49:36
Speaker 6: I'm not seeing any red flags there.
01:49:37
Speaker 4: Multiple Trump people have gone over and started to actively work for the centralized Sinclair Broadcast Company.
01:49:45
Speaker 6: Not seeing any problems.
01:49:46
Speaker 4: Big problems. Well, the biggest thing that.
01:49:50
Speaker 2: The FCC just did is allow local.
01:49:55
Speaker 4: There used to be a rule... Monopoly shit.
01:49:57
Speaker 2: There used to be a rule that you had to have at least six or seven local media outlets.
01:50:01
Speaker 4: Right.
01:50:02
Speaker 6: And they just got rid of that, which.
01:50:03
Speaker 2: Means that Sinclair Media is only going to expand its total domination of local news markets.
01:50:10
Speaker 4: Yep. It is a nightmare.
01:50:12
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that it's... As far as far-reaching consequences have gone, Ajit Pai has been the most damaging person in the Trump Uh, cabinet.
01:50:24
Speaker 4: I mean, it's, uh, or the Trump appointees.
01:50:26
Speaker 2: It's, uh, it's a, it's a, in terms of the future, I think Ajit Pai is probably going to kill us all.
01:50:33
Speaker 4: It's a real stacked field.
01:50:36
Speaker 6: It's a tight race. It's a tight race.
01:50:38
Speaker 4: Real tough to make that kind of declaration, but it looks bad.
01:50:41
Speaker 2: But none of his, none of his, none of his legislation has really gotten through. His Muslim bans have been stopped by the courts. There's a legal challenge to just about everything. The only thing that has apparently unilateral control is the FCC. And Ajay Pai has singularly destroyed net neutrality, destroyed any protections against monopoly. He's expanded the power of media conglomerates. More than I think anybody's ever done. And he's gotten rid of the need for equal internet access. He's given a huge boon to your Comcast and your AT & T and all that shit in order to make sure that if you're poor and in the middle of nowhere, they don't have to service you. Because that costs them money and they don't get as much as they want.
01:51:29
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:51:29
Speaker 4: And the very idea that there was some sort of a deal about coverage for access. Oh, no, that's fine. No, but just the idea that that is the predicate to the antecedent that we're seeing now. That's totally fine. It is not fine. No, no, no. That's how government works, Dan.
01:51:47
Speaker 6: Backroom deals.
01:51:48
Speaker 2: You got to give a little to get a little.
01:51:51
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? I don't. I mean, I do, but I don't. Well, I mean, is that.
01:51:56
Speaker 2: Any different from a guy like Roger Ailes who stands to make so much more money?
01:52:01
Speaker 4: A little different. I disagree. I think it's a bigger con. Okay.
01:52:07
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not as good a con.
01:52:10
Speaker 4: But it is.
01:52:11
Speaker 6: It's not as good a situation there. They're not hiding it.
01:52:14
Speaker 4: Getting into fake local news, making it appear that these are not centralized reports from biased people is going to do an incredibly insidious job of radicalizing people in smaller communities. You're going to have the output of that be, I mean, I guess that's the same thing if they just watched Fox and Small Towns 2. Exactly. It's all bad.
01:52:41
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:52:41
Speaker 4: It's all bad.
01:52:41
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as Roger Ailes, who stands to gain so much for Trump winning as opposed to- Isn't he dead?
01:52:49
Speaker 4: No, not him.
01:52:50
Speaker 2: Who's the fuck who runs Tribune?
01:52:54
Speaker 6: Who runs Fox News?
01:52:55
Speaker 4: The guy who owns it. I mean, Roger Ailes, but didn't he die?
01:52:59
Speaker 6: No, not the guy who owns it.
01:53:01
Speaker 4: I don't know. Murdoch? Murdoch. I think he's dead, too.
01:53:04
Speaker 8: No.
01:53:04
Speaker 4: All right. Who the fuck is it? Everyone's dead.
01:53:06
Speaker 6: Why don't I remember anything?
01:53:07
Speaker 1: We're dead.
01:53:08
Speaker 4: Remember? Oh, we are dead.
01:53:09
Speaker 8: Shit.
01:53:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's dead.
01:53:10
Speaker 1: Anyways.
01:53:11
Speaker 4: So this is all bad.
01:53:12
Speaker 6: Owner stands to gain a lot.
01:53:13
Speaker 3: Right.
01:53:13
Speaker 2: Trump wins because he uses his massive media.
01:53:17
Speaker 6: Company to run propaganda for him.
01:53:20
Speaker 4: Right.
01:53:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:53:22
Speaker 4: So this is all bad, but we have one more clip left, and I'm not the kind of guy who's going to make everything a downer. I'm going to leave you with a punchline.
01:53:31
Speaker 9: You know, sometimes when I'm sitting around a table and your name comes up or I say some things that I've learned through you and through other people, they get into kind of games about accuracy. Like, well, how can you know that that's true? And all I got to say again and again is like, look, come on, something's off here.
01:53:46
Speaker 5: Something's wrong.
01:53:47
Speaker 9: And people like you, people like me, we don't have to be accurate. That's not our job. Our job is not to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves up to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves up to be, you know, keepers or tooth tellers or something like that. We're just pointing, as you often say, you know, you're just pointing and saying, do you see that big thing that's coming down the road?
01:54:05
Speaker 2: I do.
01:54:07
Speaker 4: Alex agrees. He's like, yeah. It's bad just having him say that. It's damning to be like, you're such a star fucker that you will agree with Billy Corgan saying literally the opposite of how you conceive of yourself.
01:54:21
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, we don't have to be truth tellers. We don't even say we're truth tellers. Guys like us, we don't have to be accurate.
01:54:27
Speaker 4: Nah. Never has there been a truer thing said on the Alex Jones show. That's probably true. That's amazing.
01:54:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:54:33
Speaker 4: Fuck all of you. Not our listeners, but fuck all of you. Definitely Billy Corgan. God damn it.
01:54:40
Speaker 6: How did you do it?
01:54:41
Speaker 4: You turned me on Billy Corgan. Boom. He's an asshole.
01:54:44
Speaker 2: I was all about celebrities are allowed to be assholes, and now he's a fucking asshole.
01:54:47
Speaker 4: He's the wrong kind of asshole.
01:54:48
Speaker 6: He's the wrong kind of asshole.
01:54:49
Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyway. It's very disappointing. So anyway, power rankings. Yamamoto, still the number one crazy. He's tops.
01:54:56
Speaker 9: Uh-huh.
01:54:56
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
01:54:58
Speaker 6: Fucking, how is it that Alex is such a star fucker? So stupid.
01:55:03
Speaker 2: If anybody else who wasn't famous- Like if even if even Pchenik or somebody like that who is smart enough to know that he would never he would never challenge him and be like, listen, Alex, you're not accurate all the time.
01:55:15
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm ninety nine percent accurate.
01:55:18
Speaker 4: And even when I'm wrong, I'm right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
01:55:21
Speaker 2: I can see the future in New Year's New Year's intro today.
01:55:25
Speaker 6: But back in the future.
01:55:26
Speaker 4: Right. Like that whole thing.
01:55:28
Speaker 2: But if it's somebody famous, he'll agree to anything you say, Billy Corgan.
01:55:33
Speaker 4: You're so famous. I imagine a week later when he listened back to this episode, he had a thought something like this.
01:55:40
Speaker 1: I make a lot of mistakes.
01:55:41
Speaker 8: I say stupid stuff sometimes. I mean, I hear my show rebroadcast and go, oh, my God, that sounds horrible.
01:55:46
Speaker 1: I don't mean that.
01:55:47
Speaker 4: Yep. I imagine that's probably what you would like to think about.
01:55:51
Speaker 6: Solid punch. Solid punchline there, Dave.
01:55:53
Speaker 4: Fuck you, Alex Jones. Fuck you, Alex Jones. Fuck you, Billy Corgan. Congratulations on just out of nowhere choosing an amazing date to go over. There's a lot of bullshit in this episode. A lot of bullshit in that episode. Yeah, so this has been the show. We've been back to 2014, and now we will come back to the present.
01:56:11
Speaker 2: Every time we do a time travel episode... We never find what we think.
01:56:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
01:56:16
Speaker 2: Every time somebody's like, oh, this is when this big thing happened, I was like, I want to hear what he has to say about the torture report.
01:56:22
Speaker 4: And you're like, yes, but... How about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan, too? Yeah. How about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan more? Yeah, it's like.
01:56:30
Speaker 6: Torture's bad.
01:56:32
Speaker 1: Anyways.
01:56:32
Speaker 4: What happened to that Malaysian plane?
01:56:34
Speaker 2: Oh, Alex Jones is going to eat a hamburger covered in super male vitality.
01:56:38
Speaker 4: What the fuck is going on? This show's ridiculous.
01:56:43
Speaker 8: Anyway.
01:56:43
Speaker 4: I fucking love it. This has been fun. So fucking stupid. If you guys want to learn more about Alex Jones or us in particular, you can go to our- Or Billy Corgan. Sure. We have a lot of news on him. I'm going to do a lot more Billy Corgan pieces from now on. You can find us over at knowledgefight.com. That is our website. That's where you can find us. This is writing content. Jordan, you got a blog up there every Thursday.
01:57:03
Speaker 2: You're throwing down some great material all.
01:57:06
Speaker 4: The time now. Sure, sure, sure.
01:57:08
Speaker 6: You can also follow us on Twitter.
01:57:10
Speaker 4: Yes. At knowledge.
01:57:11
Speaker 6: And then there's an underscore.
01:57:12
Speaker 10: There is.
01:57:13
Speaker 6: And then there's the word fight.
01:57:14
Speaker 4: We're also on Facebook. We are. You can go to iTunes. Download it.
01:57:19
Speaker 6: Subscribe to it.
01:57:20
Speaker 4: Why not? Leave a review. Couldn't hurt. All of those things. I don't know.
01:57:24
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:57:24
Speaker 6: It couldn't hurt.
01:57:24
Speaker 4: I don't know if it helps. Couldn't fight. All right. That's been. Fuck you. May the wolf choke on your flesh. Fuck you. So, I know our website is knowledgefight.com, and I think that's a pretty good name for our website. I think it's a solid name. I think it's a decent name.
01:57:40
Speaker 2: I was hoping for We Love Mainstream Media Attacks, but.
01:57:44
Speaker 4: To be fair, there was a guy, he's actually sitting on the domain name that I wanted. Really? Yeah.
01:57:50
Speaker 1: No way!
01:57:51
Speaker 6: What domain name?
01:57:53
Speaker 4: NoMoreFakeNews.com. Oh, how did he get that one? He got it back when it was Angel Cities or Angel Fire or whatever. GeoCities. GeoCities, yep. And he still has not remodeled the page. I'm very disappointed in him. Naturally. Go to Squarespace, John Rappaport. Seriously.
01:58:08
Speaker 2: Don't advertise for Squarespace. We don't do ads for Squarespace unless they pay us.
01:58:12
Speaker 4: No free rides. That's a podcast rule. I use Squarespace and it's pretty convenient.
01:58:18
Speaker 9: All right.
01:58:18
Speaker 4: It's not an ad. It's just a statement of fact.
01:58:20
Speaker 1: All right.
01:58:21
Speaker 4: John Rappaport, you should really update that website because it looks like a hot pile of garbage.
01:58:25
Speaker 6: And until you update that website.
01:58:26
Speaker 4: And I want your URL.
01:58:27
Speaker 6: Until you update that website, John Rappaport, you can what?
01:58:30
Speaker 4: It is our duty to tell you that you can go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
01:58:34
Speaker 1: Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
01:58:38
Speaker 9: Hello, Alex.
01:58:39
Speaker 4: I'm a first-time caller.
01:58:40
Speaker 10: I'm a huge fan.
01:58:40
Speaker 1: I love your work.
01:58:41
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 1: Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Alex.
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Speaker 3: I'm a first-time caller.
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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan.
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Speaker 1: I love your work.
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Speaker 4: I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. We are a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Speaker 2: And act as the most professional broadcasters in the history of Twitch.
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Speaker 4: I am telling you what. Audio issues?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 6: Never have them. We got a staff on that shit.
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Speaker 4: It turns out I know nothing about audio settings. But I do know a lot about Alex Jones, and you do not.
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Speaker 6: I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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Speaker 4: And therein we find our fun, our dynamic, and what have you. How are you doing today, Jordan? I don't know if you've ever done that before. I'm very on my heels.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever asked me how I'm doing in our friendship. I don't know if that's ever happened.
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Speaker 4: I'm very back on my heels because of these tech issues. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I'm falling back to my freezing point tactics, which would be... I'd be sitting across from someone. How you doing? Hey, how about you vamp for a little bit? Let's see if that starts a conversation.
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this right now. Having some trouble with my rent.
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Speaker 4: Okay. That's not good. All right.
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Speaker 6: Got somebody squatting in there illegally.
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Speaker 4: Who I asked to do so. Allegedly illegally.
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Speaker 7: What?
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Speaker 4: I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. That's a good thing no one can hear us. Yeah, that's a good point. So this is a podcast.
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Speaker 2: If we were famous enough for the people that I rent from to know who we are, we would also be famous enough for me to pay my rent on time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point. So this is a podcast where we sit around and talk about Alex Jones. That is what we do.
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Speaker 2: And rent-related issues.
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Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely. Rent, I know, is too damn high. And it's too damn high. So today, as we're recording this, it is November 27th. Cyber Monday, or also known as the day that Alex Jones announced he was going to do a 36-hour live marathon. We discussed it on our last episode, and he did. He did. He is right now. As we speak. And I listened to Alex Jones' show during it, and it was at every intention, the purest of heart intention, to cover that. That was going to be what we covered on today's episode. Absolutely. Absolutely. But it was all fucking advertisements. That's not good. It was all commercials for products. And I just don't know how we cover that. You know, there was almost no content in it to the point where I was just like I was getting mad at it.
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Speaker 6: If we do that, eventually we're selling his product.
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Speaker 4: Kind of. Yeah. There was a part of it that was like, but I have one clip.
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Speaker 6: In which case we should join his pyramid scheme.
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Speaker 4: Might as well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Part of Infowars team.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I do have one clip from today, and it was just a beautiful moment of irony because I turned on the live stream of his show, and there was an ad before it. Of course. And it's very interesting to hear this ad and then the show start and see the juxtaposition of the two.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 9: Hey, Chicago.
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Speaker 2: The Amazon Smart Home Experience is now available at a Kohl's in your neighborhood.
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Speaker 8: I have harangued everybody around me to not use Amazon for years. We were off of Amazon for years.
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Speaker 4: I turned it on. That's fantastic. I was like, what the fuck is going on? I love that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That is great. Amazon is paying for advertisements on his broadcast.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen anything happen that quickly as far as a sponsor getting shit on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: It was whiplash. That is crazy. Yeah. I was pretty blown away. But the rest of it was all just like completely boring ads. And we have no reason to talk about it. But I asked you, Jordan, earlier today. Indeed you did. Never done this before. First time ever. I asked you to choose a day from history for us to go back to, to do a time travel episode for. Because, again, I am not quite prepared to do that time travel episode that one of our policy walks has requested us do.
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Speaker 6: And so I did, and I picked a date, and how did we go?
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Speaker 4: We went back to, you said December 21st. Of 2014.
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Speaker 6: I meant to say December 17th or 18th.
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Speaker 4: No, you meant to say December 12th. That is when you meant to say. That is when the torture report.
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Speaker 2: I mean to say a lot of things. Oh, I transposed the numbers. Okay, that was what happened.
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Speaker 4: Your intention was to go back and see what Alex Jones had to say about the torture report. It came out that I gave you a two year anniversary of when the world ended. Right. Yeah, basically. And we're going to get to all the goings on. You accidentally stumbled onto a very amazing episode. For a number of reasons.
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Speaker 6: Very condescending of you.
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Speaker 4: No, I mean, you had no way of knowing what's coming.
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Speaker 2: I know, but it seems like I chose a date that could possibly have had a good episode. It was an educated guess. I don't like the word accidentally. It's because the torture part is not really a big factor. It's the other stuff that makes it huge. But before we get going, here is an out of context drop from today's episode.
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Speaker 8: A lot of mistakes i say stupid stuff sometimes i mean i hear my show rebroadcast and go oh my god that sounds horrible i don't mean that.
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Speaker 4: You know he just drops it that quickly the number of times he said that on the air is staggering oh.
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Speaker 2: I listen to this show and i'm like jesus what kind of asshole would say that.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that guy yeah what get it together alex jesus you can't just be that easy I realize that we keep forgetting to give shouts out to policy wonks.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you're doing it at the beginning of the show this time.
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Speaker 4: There we go. I'm hoping this will give my brow a chance to get some sweat off of it. Dry this fucking thing off. Do the only thing that you're really good at. Exactly. Thanking people for giving you money. Right. Absolutely. We'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new policy wonks. What's going on out there, Kelsey?
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Speaker 1: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining up with the team. Indeed. And also.
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Speaker 6: I know two nice Kelsey's and one Kelsey Grammer.
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Speaker 4: So you choose which you want to be. Yeah, yeah. And if you choose wrong, you're going to fall off a karmically shaped stage. Oh, dear God. Also, I'd like to give a shout out to our other new policy wonk. What's going on out there, Kyle?
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Speaker 1: I'm a policy wonk.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining up with the team.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Kyle and Kelsey.
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Speaker 4: Are you guys brother and sister? They might be. Twins? Not the same last name, but you never know. That's possible. Could be long lost twins. I don't know.
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Speaker 6: It's actually Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.
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Speaker 4: Could be. Twins. It's possible. There we are. If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button. And maybe if we get enough policy wonks, we'll get our sound fixed. Or I'll have enough time to run sound check before the episode.
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Speaker 6: Or I'll be able to pay my rent.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, any of these things.
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Speaker 2: Any of these things are both impossible and delightful to imagine.
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Speaker 4: Oh, God. Okay, so here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we have come. Here we will be. It's a dip. All right. December 12th, 2014. D12. Shit's going down on the 12th. 12-12-14. What is going on? I'll tell you what's going on. I don't know. That was a weird intro. Sorry. As the show starts, Alex Jones makes a very weird reference to his personal life that he almost never makes. Okay. And we'll see if you can catch what's going on.
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Speaker 8: Ladies and gentlemen, we're live broadcasting worldwide. It is the 12th day of December 2014 on this Friday edition.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Alex Jones.
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Speaker 8: I want to thank David Knight and the rest of the crew sitting in yesterday. I, again, have had family issues here and there that I've been taking care of that are all now coming into line quite nicely, thanks to the good Lord above. And so that's why I've been missing a few days here and there. But we'll make it up to everybody. We are live, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 6: How will you make up a divorce trial to everybody?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's not a trial at this point. Oh, it's the custody hearing at this point. No, it's just the divorce. It's 2014. This is when he's getting divorced. Right. So it's actually the separation and everything is what he's talking about.
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Speaker 2: So when he gets remarried, that's when he's making it up to everybody.
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Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that sounds right. Because his new wife is in her prime.
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Speaker 2: Because it's very shortly after.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: So I always think that's kind of interesting. That, you know, he never references that. He never talks about the divorce and stuff like that. Right. Except when he's getting super defensive about, I won. That sort of stuff. Right, right, right. And to be like, oh, hey, all right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, there's family issues. Couldn't be in here yesterday because I was busy getting divorced. Exactly. You know what? It's very clear.
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Speaker 2: Signing some documents. She's yelling at me about that boat, and I'm like, I can't give you that boat.
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Speaker 4: You can have the other boat.
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Speaker 2: You can have the six other boats that I have, but God damn it if I'm not keeping the info wash.
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Speaker 4: So, Jordan....
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Speaker 6: Which is the name of his car wash.
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Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, for laundering purposes. So on the 12th, the reason you sent me back to the 12th was because on December 11th, there was a report that came out about the CIA torturing people. Yeah. Which they did. Yeah, John Brennan was sort of called to respond about that, and he gave a lackluster response. People weren't thrilled with it.
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Speaker 2: And human rights if i recall correctly his response was hey you know some people do a thing some people don't do a thing these things happen it's.
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Speaker 4: Not far off yeah uh the un human rights commissioner uh it was like you gotta fucking prosecute those people yeah because that's fucking nuts.
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Speaker 2: And then we did and everything was better forever right Dan?
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Speaker 4: We had to hand off control of Afghanistan's Bagram prison because of it. Yeah. There was a lot of mess. Yeah. So you might be surprised to tune in to Alex Jones' show and hear what his top story is.
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Speaker 8: Where to start? Look at the front page of DrudgeReport.com. GOPers accuse... of breaking promises to kill the big spending bill. Why, even the First Lady's lunch program is funded.
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Speaker 4: Can't believe that.
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Speaker 8: And the constituency is so incredibly upset. Even Sean Hannity, who normally defends the system.
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Speaker 1: Has come out and dubbed Boner, Boehner. I was calling him.
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Speaker 4: I get it.
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden Boehner last week.
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Speaker 8: Well, now Hannity's calling him John Gruber Boehner.
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Speaker 1: Or John Gruber's Boner.
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Speaker 6: I prefer Dave Gruber Boehner.
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Speaker 4: This... The naked trucker. This Boehner riff... Crushed it. It's gonna go on.
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Speaker 9: Why?
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Speaker 2: There's no way it can do that. It was bad to start with. Joe Biden Boehner, and he thinks that's fantastic.
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Speaker 4: You know Alex Jones. He likes to pick all the meat off a bone. Yeah, that's true. And that's his comedic style.
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Speaker 6: Because he knows good humor when he sees it.
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Speaker 4: He's like, this fucking comedy ore is just coming out. This vein is not dry. We are just gonna keep chipping away... At the John Boehner's name sounds like Boner. I think we're going to get it. Here we go.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that is a pun, really, folks. You're supposed to pronounce that German name Boner. Be proud of your family name. He was the first man for Congress saying it's.
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Speaker 1: Boehner, not Boner. We had to find that old TV ad from 20-something years ago.
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Speaker 8: But Sean Hattie has slammed John Gruber's Boner.
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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be the speaker. John Boner Gruber.
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Speaker 4: There we go.
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Speaker 1: Conservatives tonight.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 8: He did Gruber conservatives tonight. Or the American people. Most Democrats don't like Obamacare now and Gallup Pulse. It's a giant stinking fraud, a bipartisan criminal operation. You just had a major political realignment. The biggest Republican sweep in over 100 years. What's going to happen if they don't perform and repeal it, which Mitch McConnell and John Gruber boner.
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Speaker 4: That's three.
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Speaker 1: John Gruber boner. Four.
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Speaker 4: Four.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like a song or something. John Boehner.
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Speaker 8: Or no, John Gruber Boner Boehner.
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Speaker 1: Five. His name is my name too.
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Speaker 8: Because all of them are going to be seen as a bunch of Gruberites that we're stupid.
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Speaker 1: By the way, we are stupid.
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Speaker 4: That was a very successful bit. First of all, great bit. Second of all, that might be the first time that I have strategically edited to end the clip right where he says, we are stupid. We are stupid. By the way, we are stupid. We are stupid if we go along with this. I just decided to cut that out for fun and then call myself out on it because I'm not an asshole. But, I mean, yeah, sure. All right. So boner. Right. This is just after the midterm election.
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Speaker 2: That's all I've established here is that he thinks it's funny to say boner, which.
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Speaker 4: He's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong. Sure. Facts of life prove that.
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Speaker 5: Right. Right.
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Speaker 2: This is immediately after the growing pains.
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Speaker 4: Now, probably.
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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, it was growing pains.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: That was an acceptable thing then. Crazy times.
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Speaker 2: This is right after the November elections that gave us the Republican majority that we are currently dealing with.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it was just after the midterms in 2014, December 12th, 2014.
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Speaker 2: Alex, what will happen if they don't successfully repeal Obamacare?
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Speaker 6: I can't think of anything.
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Speaker 4: Escalation? I think so. Yeah, it seems like that is the play.
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Speaker 2: Everyone will be disappointed to discover that they don't actually care and will not punish their politicians for.
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Speaker 4: Failing them in the only thing that they really asked them to do. Yeah, absolutely. So that's his top story is that John Boehner's name is funny and that there's a spending bill that the Republicans didn't stop with their supermajority. They had to fund the government. We'll get into that after this next clip. Horrific.
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Speaker 1: Some of the stories up on Infowars.com.
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Speaker 8: House passes government funding bill with Bankster derivative bailout provision bigger than the Baker.
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Speaker 4: Bailout of 2008.
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Speaker 8: By the way, Kurt Nemo's headline is excellent. And it's very accurate. He does a great job focusing on that. But it's not even bad enough. The headline's not even horrible enough. It should be House Passes Banker Bailout Derivatives Bill Bigger Than 08.
00:14:50
Speaker 1: Because it is bigger. It's unlimited.
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Speaker 8: Unlimited power to bankrupt the country, to quote Emperor Palpatine.
00:15:01
Speaker 4: Don't think he said that. I don't think so.
00:15:04
Speaker 1: We're only trying to save the country. And the globalists, the Federal Reserve, say no, no, no.
00:15:10
Speaker 4: You will die.
00:15:13
Speaker 8: You will side on to everything.
00:15:17
Speaker 4: Everything is proceeding as David Rockefeller has foreseen it.
00:15:27
Speaker 1: It's Friday.
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Speaker 4: It's like I'm worked up. So just to keep track of this.
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Speaker 2: House sales alliteration of assholes army is what he just did.
00:15:38
Speaker 4: Yeah. He's talking about an article from Kurt Nimmo, who is a guy who worked for InfoWars, who has since come out and said very clearly that Alex Jones is a fraud. Yeah. And been very.
00:15:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to appreciate Kurt Nimmo later on in life.
00:15:51
Speaker 4: No, he's very against him now. And you know what this spending bill, you know the context of it. Yeah. The government shutdown.
00:16:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:16:01
Speaker 4: Yep. That dickhole Ted Cruz.
00:16:05
Speaker 2: That motherfucker tried very hard to ruin the world with, damaged the GOP reputation so that even though they had a super maturity, everybody hated them so much, specifically Ted Cruz. who would later come second in many primaries. That's how much they hated him.
00:16:23
Speaker 4: So they passed a $ 1. 1 trillion spending, omnibus spending bill. Right. But Democrats are now opposing several last-minute provisions, including one that would repeal a key rule in the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill that limits risky trades by federally insured banks.
00:16:42
Speaker 2: Boy, it sure seems like the Republicans are trying to get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill.
00:16:46
Speaker 4: Because they did.
00:16:48
Speaker 2: I can't think of any reason that they would get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill, considering that they represent the people in their districts.
00:16:54
Speaker 6: Who just care about prosperity.
00:16:56
Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
00:16:57
Speaker 6: And just, you know, getting back to Americana.
00:16:59
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they would try to destroy a bill that actually protects those people from predatory lenders.
00:17:05
Speaker 4: Because you don't understand prosperity. I don't understand prosperity. It's mostly about banks taking risks with your money. Oh, okay. That's how real prosperity comes.
00:17:16
Speaker 6: Shouldn't they tell me, though, when they're doing that?
00:17:18
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no.
00:17:19
Speaker 6: Oh, they shouldn't tell me that.
00:17:20
Speaker 4: Prosperity is more fun if it's a surprise. Okay. That might be true. Well, you know, I mean, the revolution was a surprise.
00:17:30
Speaker 6: It's a surprise to all of us.
00:17:31
Speaker 4: A lot of people were caught off guard by 1776. So what do you got a problem with?
00:17:35
Speaker 6: Which seemed also to be about occasionally being taxed too much.
00:17:39
Speaker 4: Right. Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren both were incredibly vocal in their opposition to these last minute additions that Republicans snuck through in. And so when Alex is talking about this spending bill and all this stuff.
00:17:53
Speaker 6: The real dangerous parts of it.
00:17:54
Speaker 2: The people that he supports are the Republicans.
00:17:56
Speaker 4: And the real dangerous parts are the things that the Republicans who he's lauding put in there.
00:18:00
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:18:01
Speaker 4: And I don't know. He can always pretend that he's not a Democrat, he's not a Republican, I'm bipartisan. But he celebrates a lot when Republicans win. Oh, really?
00:18:12
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:18:12
Speaker 4: And I don't know... I can't think of any time. I don't know if it's just an anti... You know... Democrat thing, or if he's just full of shit.
00:18:21
Speaker 6: I think he's full of shit, and I think he's anti-Democrat.
00:18:23
Speaker 4: Could be six of one, half a dozen of another. Anyway, let's get on to this next clip, because Alex brings up another employee of his. This is right after a video package that's real, like, fast cuts, things taken out of context with really swelling, dramatic music.
00:18:38
Speaker 1: We need to get that video.
00:18:40
Speaker 4: Not Nancy Pelosi, but Eric Holder. Nancy Pelosi wasn't nearly on his shooting board at this point. But Eric Holder is in there, Obama and the likes. Well, of course.
00:18:52
Speaker 2: Obama saying something like, let's feed people, and then he's got a horror movie soundtrack in the back.
00:18:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
00:18:58
Speaker 8: Video not just on prisonplanet.tv but up on infowars.com right now. Rob Jacobson produced that little two-minute jewel of awakening and truth, Veritas.
00:19:10
Speaker 4: Veritas.
00:19:11
Speaker 1: So he can name it whatever he wants.
00:19:12
Speaker 8: Let's make it top video, infowars.com YouTube channel.
00:19:17
Speaker 4: Funny story. That's a long name for that video. Rob Jacobson has also left InfoWars and has also spoken out very publicly about how Alex is an asshole. Interesting. And if I recall correctly, he was who Alex turned to for backup in the David Duke interview. He also failed in debating David Duke. Okay. And has gone on to say, I mean, I certainly don't agree with him in this, but he's like, Alex will never touch Israel again. That sort of stuff. That's why he gotcha, gotcha.
00:19:47
Speaker 6: That was the one.
00:19:48
Speaker 4: There we go. He's in that brand.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was worried that he actually went to the side that makes sense.
00:19:55
Speaker 4: No. Okay. It does not seem like it, but it's just another example. Everybody he's bringing up back then, no longer there and does not like him.
00:20:02
Speaker 5: Right.
00:20:02
Speaker 4: So that's fun. But you know what? Alex has some weird allegiances back in 2014 that you would never expect. You already heard him say something negative about Sean Hannity, who's his best friend now, apparently.
00:20:12
Speaker 6: What, is he friends with Mugabe?
00:20:15
Speaker 2: Because the future is not going to hold well for him. If he's banking on Mugabe, he's going to be in trouble. He's not pimping for Mugabe. But this clip is interesting as hell.
00:20:29
Speaker 8: Krauthammer is really smart, and he's a conservative intellectual. He doesn't just throw out buzzwords all day like a Hannity does. I don't agree with some of the stuff Krauthammer pushes sometimes, but he's light years better than a Sean Hannity or these mainline rhino Republican talk show hosts that just support the police state, the drug war, the giant prisons, no matter what. Police brutality, no matter what. We try to look at both sides and actually be fair.
00:21:00
Speaker 4: No, you don't. Not at all. So, like, okay, I get that Sean Hannity hadn't morphed into a, hey, we're on the same team guy at that point. He was still a corporate Fox News guy.
00:21:12
Speaker 2: So that begs into question, what happened to Hannity? I think he saw what was happening to Alex. Well, the But, I mean, more like, was Hannity a secret Alex Jones this whole time?
00:21:24
Speaker 4: He was as crazy.
00:21:25
Speaker 2: He was always as crazy. Yeah, because if you listen to his radio show, it was a lot wilder.
00:21:29
Speaker 6: Oh, his radio show is fucking bananas.
00:21:31
Speaker 4: I don't mean wild in terms of, like, saying stupid shit like Alex, but it was wild in the sense of, like, he was really unprofessional. He was a dick. He was really mean to everyone.
00:21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandfather forced me to listen to a good hour or two of Hannity while I was watching him and ushering him into the great beyond. And if it had kept me from listening to Hannity, I would have been like, go an hour or a couple earlier.
00:22:00
Speaker 4: Get going. Yeah, get going. Yeah.
00:22:05
Speaker 6: Hannity makes you want to kill your grandfather.
00:22:07
Speaker 4: So Hannity sucks, but it's interesting to hear Alex say positive things about fucking Charles Krauthammer.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: Oh, don't you love the way his turtle head just kind of retracts into everything whenever he gets challenged?
00:22:18
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk personal shit. I don't want to talk appearances. I'm not here to neck shame anybody.
00:22:24
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be hard not to neck shame him. Just saying his name is neck shame.
00:22:28
Speaker 4: Here are some reasons Alex cannot say he supports or agrees with Charles Krauthammer. So many reasons! Krauthammer supports abortion.
00:22:38
Speaker 5: Yep.
00:22:38
Speaker 4: That's number one. Number two, he believes in evolution and rejects the idea of intelligent design.
00:22:43
Speaker 6: Hard not to.
00:22:44
Speaker 4: He also supports higher taxes to support environmental causes.
00:22:49
Speaker 6: It makes sense.
00:22:49
Speaker 4: And energy conservation. Right. Also, this is the big one. He emphatically supports embryonic stem cell research using tissue from abortions. Which Alex is... What's wrong with that? I think nothing. Alex thinks they're harvesting babies and making chimeras.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
00:23:08
Speaker 4: That's his big thing. But you gotta have.
00:23:10
Speaker 2: You gotta come at it from both sides. You gotta give both sides credence. That's why he likes to listen to Charles Krauthammer. Because Krauthammer's gonna be like... hey, Alex, that's fucking stupid. And he's going to be like, hey, Krauthammer, you've got a lot of good ideas, not like that dumbass.
00:23:23
Speaker 6: Hannity over there who agrees with me that they're creating chimeras.
00:23:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll be a great ally in two years. Yeah. Two years, once we have our demon candidate.
00:23:34
Speaker 6: Yeah, once you guys come to me, Krauthammer, you're gone.
00:23:38
Speaker 4: Once the rip in the reality veil becomes big enough. Right, right. I will go to Sean Hannity and we will come together as some sort of globular alt-media and professional media two-headed blah. Right.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: When we get forced into the dark timeline by Mixle Pixie.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Mr. Mixle Pix. Yeah, and we.
00:24:03
Speaker 2: Have to say his name backwards before we can get into the timeline where Bernie won?
00:24:07
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, Alex is fucked up. That makes no sense. Mm-hmm. For his philosophy and for anything.
00:24:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: But his hubris back then, or as he would pronounce it, hubris back then knows no bounds. Listen to this fucking sales pitch for a second. Okay.
00:24:25
Speaker 2: And then I'll come back on the other side and tell you exactly what he's asking of his listeners.
00:24:31
Speaker 8: Another key. Pray for this operation. We're praying for America and the rest of the world and you as well. We need those prayers. That's number one. But secondarily, support our local AM and FM affiliates. Become sponsors. Become supporters of local sponsors. Call the station up and say, I want to pay for a billboard to promote the Alex Jones Show.
00:24:53
Speaker 1: That's how we're going to take this country back. We're so close, folks.
00:24:56
Speaker 4: We're so close.
00:24:58
Speaker 6: I want to pay for a billboard.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:00
Speaker 6: That's an interesting thing to call your AM FM radio station with.
00:25:03
Speaker 4: That's a big sponsor. Do you know about billboard pricing?
00:25:09
Speaker 6: I don't know about billboard pricing.
00:25:11
Speaker 2: I just saw three billboards in Ebbing, Missouri, and they said $ 5, 000 a month for three billboards.
00:25:17
Speaker 4: That's pretty close. In very small towns. Yes. Outside of Milwaukee, you can get one for about $ 4, 000 a month. $ 3, 000 to $ 4, 000 a month.
00:25:27
Speaker 6: I mean, that's not terrible, right?
00:25:29
Speaker 4: Now you bump it up to a city like San Diego. Right. Which is not even a large market. I mean, it's big, but it's not like L.A. or something like that. It's a big market. That's going to run you probably about $ 10, 000 to $ 15, 000 a month.
00:25:41
Speaker 6: Still reasonable if you get a return on your investment.
00:25:44
Speaker 4: Now you go to like Boston, let's say.
00:25:46
Speaker 1: Boston.
00:25:47
Speaker 4: I don't go to Boston. Urban area, metropolitan city. To get a billboard, it can run you up to $ 23, 000 a month. For a billboard? Yes. Damn. Because high traffic areas. Yeah. It's all about how many eyes get on stuff. It's all about impressions.
00:26:03
Speaker 6: How much would it cost us to get a billboard in Chicago?
00:26:05
Speaker 7: A lot.
00:26:06
Speaker 4: What are you thinking? At least that $ 20, 000.
00:26:09
Speaker 2: You're thinking like closer to $ 30, 000, right?
00:26:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. I don't know. I feel like Boston and Chicago are probably pretty close in terms of that. Maybe a little higher, but probably in the ballpark. All right. So that's, I mean, geez.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: So we're going to have to do a 36-hour live stream. So you get $ 23, 000.
00:26:28
Speaker 4: Call in and say you want to pay $ 20, 000 for a billboard. Or conservatively $ 10, 000 for a billboard. Call Clear Channel. I know that it's too expensive to buy my wet herbs, but buy a billboard. Buy a billboard. What the fuck? Buy a billboard. Hubris. Hubris. Yeah, that's nuts. So we're maybe like half an hour into his broadcast at this point.
00:26:50
Speaker 7: Right.
00:26:51
Speaker 4: Buy a billboard. And he finally decides to get into the torture stuff. Yes.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: We're going to go hard on it. He's got a lot of articles. He's really going to get into the issues.
00:27:00
Speaker 4: He might have a stack.
00:27:01
Speaker 6: He's got a stack.
00:27:02
Speaker 4: But you know that doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean much. Here is Alex Jones' take.
00:27:07
Speaker 8: Look at this report by Washington's blog up on Infowars.com. The media is focusing on the wrong Senate torture report. The big story torture everyone is missing.
00:27:20
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm in. What do we got?
00:27:22
Speaker 1: And I agree with his report.
00:27:23
Speaker 8: It gets into the Armed Services Committee of 2009 that details the systematic widespread torture across the board.
00:27:30
Speaker 1: But that's not even as bad.
00:27:32
Speaker 8: As the torture report from 2000, I think it's 2007 or 8, General Tagumbo report.
00:27:40
Speaker 3: Oh, no.
00:27:41
Speaker 1: General Tagumbo torture report. He's the Filipino-American general, three-star general.
00:27:46
Speaker 4: It's Taguba.
00:27:48
Speaker 1: Did that investigation.
00:27:49
Speaker 8: And that was the real one where they admitted that raping children with large objects dripping with acid in front of their parents in Iraq and places, killing people, non-terror related, just demons being hired. Now, the military was ordered to hire former federal prison guards who had records on purpose.
00:28:11
Speaker 1: Rape, you name it.
00:28:14
Speaker 3: So.
00:28:15
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. The Feinstein report's a whitewash.
00:28:18
Speaker 4: So this whole thing that you have sent us back in time is apparently a whitewash.
00:28:23
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:28:24
Speaker 4: And a couple things.
00:28:24
Speaker 6: Did not realize that.
00:28:25
Speaker 4: It's not Tagumbo or whatever. It's Taguba. It's Antonio Taguba. And here's the thing about that. He has the date slightly off. He said it was 2007, I believe.
00:28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:28:36
Speaker 4: It was 2004 that he did a report. And it did not entail anything about children being raped. with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm positive. Did you read it? Yes, I did.
00:28:46
Speaker 6: Have you talked to Taguba?
00:28:47
Speaker 4: I have not talked to Taguba.
00:28:48
Speaker 6: Okay, have you talked to Takumbu?
00:28:50
Speaker 4: I have, yeah. Oh, that's the problem. There you go. There it is.
00:28:53
Speaker 2: It's a different guy. You just don't do your research, Dan. This is what bothers me.
00:28:56
Speaker 6: You have a stack of articles about Taguba, nothing about Takumbu.
00:29:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, shit. I blew it. Yeah. Where did that voice come from? I don't know. It was my Tagumbu voice.
00:29:10
Speaker 8: So I.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: Blew it. The closest thing I could find is there are, um, reports that, uh, general to Guba got at, uh, that he did was not able to substantiate, but he viewed as credible based on the circumstances that people might have been sodomized with like a light, a fluorescent light or something along those lines. That's horrifying, but that's not quite children getting raped with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Ali, is sensationalizing this quite a bit.
00:29:42
Speaker 6: It's not that far off.
00:29:44
Speaker 4: No, and it's a stupid place to draw a line, quite frankly. I mean, I.
00:29:51
Speaker 6: I'm not on anybody's side there.
00:29:53
Speaker 4: I'm not either.
00:29:54
Speaker 6: There's not a winner that I want to back in this race.
00:29:57
Speaker 4: I'm not either. But in terms of Alex being a reporter, in terms of him actually telling you things, he's failing at that. Oh, he's very bad at that. But the other thing, this is the most important piece. So Taguba's report came out in May of 2004. Amnesty International put out their report about Abu Ghraib in June of 2003. So his report came out even after the atrocities that were reported in Abu Ghraib were already being reported. So a lot of the stuff that's in there is just, I have substantiated that detainees told me these things happened, which had already been reported. But Alex would never want to give it up for Amnesty International or something like that.
00:30:40
Speaker 2: Isn't it weird that 2014 is when this episode happens? We've all known at this point that America is torturing people nonstop for 11 years. And we're like, whoa, whoa.
00:30:59
Speaker 4: Brennan. Well, maybe not 10 years.
00:31:01
Speaker 6: Don't agree with us.
00:31:02
Speaker 4: Right.
00:31:04
Speaker 2: You're supposed to lie so we feel less complicit in the atrocities that are being committed in our name.
00:31:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really fucked up. But Alex, I would think that his position on it would be... I guess this is pretty close to what I would expect his position to be. I would expect it to be a little different, though. Because I would expect it to be gloating. Yeah. But I would also expect it to be gloating.
00:31:26
Speaker 2: With, like, and now here's all the times I've told you, and here is, you know, me breaking the story way before and all that, instead of dismissively being like Taguba.
00:31:35
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Tagumbo.
00:31:39
Speaker 2: My thoughts on what he would think based on his love of Blackwater now is, Yeah, we're torturing people. That's how we should be doing it.
00:31:47
Speaker 4: I don't think he likes Blackwater at this point because he doesn't know that Eric Prince is a Trump supporter.
00:31:52
Speaker 6: I'm talking about now.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, now.
00:31:54
Speaker 2: So if you're a huge fan of Blackwater now, I assume that you have loved torture since you saw your first episode of 24.
00:32:01
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. Alex is not a fan of torture, which I support. All right. I give him.
00:32:08
Speaker 2: Does he know what we're doing now with the Trump regime and how we're killing like three times the number of civilians all around? They're emboldened to torture.
00:32:19
Speaker 4: Fake news.
00:32:19
Speaker 6: And then the privatized army is just going buck wild.
00:32:23
Speaker 4: Fake news.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Every report that we get out of that is just they are just fighting a total war and burning people alive.
00:32:29
Speaker 4: It's not good. Who are you, the Washington Post? Fake news. Okay. Fair enough. Shout out to Project Veritas doing the Lord's work. I don't know if you saw this. I know everyone's seen the story that the Washington Post put out about Project Veritas trying to trick them with a fake sting operation about Roy Moore. But I don't know if everybody's seen the videos that Project Veritas rushed out to try and get ahead of it. Because they knew this story was going to come out. They got reached for comment and what have you. That is so funny.
00:33:03
Speaker 2: And I imagine that they got reach for comment in the middle of trying to screw them.
00:33:08
Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
00:33:09
Speaker 2: Like, okay, you guys are trying.
00:33:12
Speaker 4: To trick us.
00:33:12
Speaker 6: Can you tell me some things about that so we can print it?
00:33:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:33:16
Speaker 6: Can we go off the record? I want to be anonymous.
00:33:19
Speaker 4: James O'Keefe rushed out some videos. And it's like behind the scenes talking to people at Washington Post. And it's so much nothing. It's astounding how little there is there. And he's like, oh, well, this is the real truth. This is American Pravda. The worst thing that he's got is somebody from the paper, from the Washington Post, saying that the editorial board doesn't like Trump. It's like, that's the editorial board.
00:33:49
Speaker 6: I think that's pretty solid.
00:33:50
Speaker 4: It's also not the news writers. That's the editorial board. I don't think there are a lot of editorial boards that like Trump. I think there are a few.
00:33:58
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:33:59
Speaker 4: So anyway, it's all a bunch of hot nonsense. But also, in the wake of all this, it is very important to remember that a few years back, Donald Trump did give James O'Keefe $ 10, 000 from one of his foundations. Really?
00:34:09
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:34:10
Speaker 4: So interesting to remember. And that will come back up at the end of this episode in a really weird way. All right. But be that as it may. I love it when you bookend things. I told you. Alex Jones is against torture.
00:34:23
Speaker 6: He is against torture. Now, in this time period. When Obama is doing it.
00:34:28
Speaker 4: I still think he's actually against it now, still, too. Disagree. It depends on what you mean by truth. Because he says he's against it. And to be fair to him, when he's critiqued Trump, one of the things he consistently says or has said, especially in the early days of his presidency, was, I don't like where he stands on torture. I think it's wrong. That sort of thing. It's one of the only things that he would point out that I think Trump's wrong on this one.
00:34:56
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker 4: Generals are misleading him and stuff like that. So I think on some level he actually does understand that torture is bad. All right. But this next clip.
00:35:06
Speaker 6: I think understanding and being against are different things.
00:35:09
Speaker 4: This next clip.
00:35:10
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:35:11
Speaker 4: Tells me that Alex has an incredibly weird take on torture as a whole. And I don't really I don't really know what's going on in this clip.
00:35:21
Speaker 8: OK.
00:35:22
Speaker 4: I really don't. All right.
00:35:23
Speaker 8: I mean, I've been in the parking lot before. and seen some guy haul off and punch a woman in the face. And I've gone over and said, you better stop that right now. What the hell is your problem? And they've gotten in my face. And I've said, listen, by that time, people were calling the cops. It was like 20 years ago. And it's not because I'm a hero. I don't like seeing some big guy punch a woman in the eye and give her a black eye. At an instinctive level, that's just not right.
00:35:44
Speaker 4: The one thing, if she hit him or something, that.
00:35:46
Speaker 8: Would be a thing of passion. But guys beating up women at an instinctive level, I don't like that.
00:35:52
Speaker 4: So I think of my mother.
00:35:52
Speaker 1: I think of my daughters.
00:35:54
Speaker 8: But before I had daughters, I instinctively don't like women being messed with. I have that instinctive thing to protect women and children. That's what men are for. That's what we do. You're not a man if you don't want to do that. But, I mean, I guarantee you, if I— You need to meet more men. There's been a lot of cases this year about the news where a dad opens the door and some 40-year-old guy is raping his 10-year-old son. The dad kills him, and they don't even indict him, much less have a grand jury nonbellum.
00:36:20
Speaker 1: Everybody gets that.
00:36:21
Speaker 6: Wait, everybody gets that?
00:36:23
Speaker 4: Fine, leave it aside. But I need you to track the thought. I really need, because he's talking about crimes of passion right now. Yeah. And the idea that you just go red and you kill somebody or whatever. Just keep that in mind. I swear he's going to try and relate this to torture.
00:36:39
Speaker 2: Is he going to pull this off? He's not, but he... Is he flying a little bit low? Is he in a tailspin right now?
00:36:46
Speaker 8: Pull up.
00:36:47
Speaker 4: Pull up. Get out. Alex. Get out.
00:36:49
Speaker 7: Throttle.
00:36:50
Speaker 4: Just pull the throttle. Porkins, no!
00:36:54
Speaker 8: There was a case just north of Austin that happened this year, I think, and the dad beat the guy to death. There's been cases where a drunk driver runs over somebody's kid right in front of their house. The dad sees their dead son. It was another Texas case. Goes and gets his gun, kills him. Grand jury doesn't indict. That's not torture. That's not when you beat somebody to death and want them to hurt.
00:37:16
Speaker 4: You're hurt.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: So torture is natural in the moment.
00:37:21
Speaker 8: In the passion, where you've caught the person, you know they've done it, and you're going to bash their brains out. And in the moment, you have that killer instinct. You're not enjoying it, but it's like stepping on a cockroach.
00:37:33
Speaker 4: What?
00:37:33
Speaker 2: What?
00:37:53
Speaker 8: There's this tough guy instinct that gets misapplied by, you know, they hit us on 9-11.
00:37:56
Speaker 1: Go ahead and torture them.
00:37:58
Speaker 8: You can't have a big nasty government do that because it'll do it for fake confessions and it'll.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: Do it to you.
00:38:04
Speaker 8: That's why you don't do it. Not because we're wimps. Well, why do the Russians and the Chinese do it? Because they're barbarous countries that never got reformed. you got freedom in russia no we're losing ours here now and they're promoting torture and spying and everything else and russia's trying to reform itself but western pressure isn't.
00:38:26
Speaker 4: Letting it do it it's interesting we'll we'll unpack all of that but it's really interesting at the end there he's like in russia they don't have any freedom oh shit what i gotta save this Russia's trying to do better. Because of us.
00:38:37
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:38:37
Speaker 6: They don't have any freedom because we're stopping.
00:38:39
Speaker 4: Them from having freedom.
00:38:40
Speaker 10: Oh, shit.
00:38:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Putin. I'm sorry. Oh, shit.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: So clearly, this indicates to me that in December of 2014- He still wasn't completely turned.
00:38:49
Speaker 4: But Alex has also been debriefed by the Russian intelligence agents by this point. I think we can push that date back to 2014.
00:38:57
Speaker 6: I don't think that's conclusive. I don't think that's a conclusive thing right there.
00:39:00
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit what you think. Fair enough. I'm standing by it.
00:39:05
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you torture me before the show and we wind up getting audio issues.
00:39:09
Speaker 4: Listen, it was a crime of passion. So that's fucked up.
00:39:14
Speaker 2: I don't know what he thinks torture is. I know he's against what... I think he's just against false confessions.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: I agree with... I mean, I'm against them too. Right.
00:39:25
Speaker 6: No, I think that's what he's really doing.
00:39:27
Speaker 4: You should talk to Trump about the Central Park Five. Yeah, no shit. shit. Fuck me. Or any number of people. So.
00:39:36
Speaker 6: So he's I I think he's against torture for the wrong reasons.
00:39:40
Speaker 4: Or at least a right reason, but he's fine with it in certain circumstances. I mean, it deprives you of your humanity, and it deprives the person who you're torturing of their humanity. That's probably the biggest reason. And I would love for everyone to operate on that principle. But if you can't and don't torture people because it doesn't work, if that's all you got, I'll take it.
00:40:00
Speaker 6: If that's the best you can do, I'll take it.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: If it leads to you not torturing people or advocating for people not torturing... Hooray. Yeah, I think that's good. It's very elementary. It's very much in terms of, you know, there's just, in the same way there's emotional maturity and intellectual maturity, there's like moral maturity. There's like, you know, just going by golden rule kind of stuff. It's sort of a really basic level and then principles get built in as you get older and you start to live by principles. And then eventually you get to the point where You live by principles that must be true. Like, the opposite could not be true. And Alex is operating on very, very childlike, adolescent... Not doing great. moral ideas. And then also just equating torture with beating someone to death because they drunkenly killed your kid in a car accident. That one's weird. Very much. And also, that's not a crime of passion if you go and get your gun.
00:40:59
Speaker 2: Also, it seems as though he wants to bash somebody. Like, he's describing something that he's done where it's like, I could have killed that guy.
00:41:07
Speaker 4: No, no, totally. Yeah.
00:41:08
Speaker 6: He's describing exactly that.
00:41:10
Speaker 4: That moment that everyone has a governor. You just turn it off. You die. Yeah. That's very real. At least the feeling. That was creepy. I'm not saying he's killed anyone.
00:41:20
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's killed anybody. I'm saying that he thinks he stopped himself from killing somebody.
00:41:24
Speaker 4: Definitely. He thinks he could have killed a lot of people. Don't fucking play games. He's literally said that on the show before. That's true.
00:41:32
Speaker 6: That is true.
00:41:33
Speaker 4: Jordan.
00:41:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:41:34
Speaker 4: Yes, Dan. You know how I told you at the beginning of the show.
00:41:38
Speaker 2: Also, I think he was referencing the movie The Way of the Gun when Sarah Silverman gets punched in the parking lot.
00:41:43
Speaker 4: Oh, probably. He probably just watched that after he smoked his one weed of the year. Great movie. It's a great movie. I love it.
00:41:50
Speaker 6: Ryan Phillippe, Benicio Del Toro.
00:41:52
Speaker 4: Big fan.
00:41:53
Speaker 7: Good.
00:41:53
Speaker 6: Sarah Silverman.
00:41:55
Speaker 4: She's great. I don't like the getting punched part, although she's great. She's great. Jordan.
00:42:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:42:02
Speaker 4: This is the end of his coverage of the torture.
00:42:09
Speaker 6: So, he nailed it.
00:42:11
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:42:12
Speaker 4: And then just decided, we can move on. With that rambling two and a half minutes, he's like, check that off the list. I crushed it. Now, I told you at the beginning of the episode. Editorial?
00:42:26
Speaker 8: Why?
00:42:26
Speaker 7: Why?
00:42:27
Speaker 4: I can sum up torture in two words. Punch. don't it's pleasurable but don't do it yeah um i told you at the beginning of the show here today that you accidentally picked a perfect episode yeah i will tell you why there's two reasons and one of them is that my favorite crazy comes in no why.
00:42:51
Speaker 2: Daryl hamamoto okay god damn it yes How did that happen?
00:42:55
Speaker 4: Yes. UC Davis professor Daryl Hamamoto.
00:43:00
Speaker 6: I gave you Christmas.
00:43:01
Speaker 4: I opened it up. I started listening to it. I was like, oh, fuck yeah. And I will say this. It's not his best showing. It's not I wanted to pick my gayest instrument to go infiltrate Occupy Wall Street. That's a solid one. It's not that kind of Hamamoto, but he does say some stuff that's really great. Okay. Also, this bums me out. Because he's calling in from his pretty small apartment. Whatever. It is what it is. Yeah. But through the interview, you can hear trucks really loud interfere. It's clear that he lives, you know, not a.
00:43:42
Speaker 6: He's a man of modest means.
00:43:44
Speaker 4: But he shouldn't be. He's a tenured professor at UC Davis. Maybe he does it on purpose.
00:43:50
Speaker 2: There are many people who are saving up their money to buy even gayer instruments.
00:43:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker 4: So here is our first clip of my boy, Daryl Hamamoto. And he in this clip, he compliments and then insults another one of Alex Jones's guests. All right.
00:44:09
Speaker 8: And he would be there teaching professors and Ph.D.
00:44:13
Speaker 1: Students how to lie.
00:44:15
Speaker 4: He's talking about Jonathan Gruber. It's not important. Dave Gruber. Alan.
00:44:20
Speaker 1: And how the world really works. So I guess you get a Ph.D.
00:44:22
Speaker 5: Now.
00:44:24
Speaker 8: According to him, to learn the inside baseball of pure BS. And whereas that always went on from what I've seen in some special PhDs in the last hundred years in this country, in England and Germany, it wasn't like they'd get on C-SPAN and brag about it. So it does show really the arrogance, the arrogance of how stupid they think we are.
00:44:43
Speaker 7: It's arrogance, and I was listening to one of your earlier interviews this week. I forgot who the guest was, but he referred to it as a narcissism, a lot of these high-ranking military.
00:44:54
Speaker 1: That's Dr. Steve Pachinik, yeah.
00:44:56
Speaker 4: Dr.
00:44:56
Speaker 7: Steve Pachinik, great, great mind, great intelligence, and a great analyst, and I really enjoy listening to him. His fiction's not so.
00:45:05
Speaker 6: Great, but I'm going to say he's.
00:45:07
Speaker 5: A political analyst. You know, I read everything. I check into all your guests.
00:45:13
Speaker 4: That's great. Okay. Hamamoto, you're crazy. All right. Okay. Pachinik writes fiction? He's supposed to have been the ghost writer or collaborator for Tom Clancy's books. Oh, that's right. So he must be shitting on Clancy or whatever.
00:45:31
Speaker 2: Clancy, you know, Clancy's got some good, he's farmed out most of the writing of his books after the first three.
00:45:38
Speaker 4: Hamamoto is nuts. Hamamoto is right. No, he's not.
00:45:42
Speaker 8: All right.
00:45:43
Speaker 2: He says Steve Pchenik is a great thinker. He's a great analyst. Uh, that we have quabbles on.
00:45:48
Speaker 4: Yeah. I bet his fiction sucks. I have no idea. I've never read it. I would like to read.
00:45:52
Speaker 6: Well, if it's latter day Tom Clancy, it sucks.
00:45:54
Speaker 4: I would like to read some of, uh, Matt Bracken's books at some point. That's, uh, that's on my, uh, list of summer reading. Is that? That's on my beach reading.
00:46:02
Speaker 2: Did you email Hamamoto with like a recommended list?
00:46:06
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a professor. He's got to know what's up. He's got to know something. Oh, he knows something.
00:46:10
Speaker 6: How to hide your guns.
00:46:11
Speaker 4: No, no, he doesn't know that.
00:46:12
Speaker 6: Where to keep your gayest instruments.
00:46:14
Speaker 4: He doesn't know that.
00:46:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:46:15
Speaker 4: HideYourGayInstruments.com. It's right next to your guns. We got a book. We got a book on hiding gay instruments. So, I told you that Hamamoto knows something. Yeah. In this next clip. What does Hamamoto know? There's an elaborate conspiracy that he is going to lay out in this next clip. And I would like to point out that the way he sets it up, even from the beginning... He's discussing what he tells professors to try and get them to wake up to red pill them or whatever. Even in his own conception, he's talking about corporations trying to screw over people's pensions, not globalists. So hold on. We'll get to that on the other side after he makes his case. That is rambling and nonsensical. Okay. My favorite crazy.
00:47:09
Speaker 7: So what I have done in order to get them into the tent, so to speak, is to bring to their attention that their security is an illusion. Their retirement, their pension, the UC Investment Fund has been eyed hungrily by the wolves of Wall Street for many years now. And they're just waiting for an opportune time to go in there for the kill. They're kind of circling the prey right now. They're taking their pulse. But once I make my colleagues aware that this is their strategy, and they have Janet Napolitano in place there, and they've got the MRAPs and the militarized campuses there in case there's any sort of dissent, and they have the students bought off in their little ethnic identity politics going on.
00:47:52
Speaker 8: They've got them nicely balkanized and segregated like the old city of Rome.
00:47:56
Speaker 5: Precisely.
00:47:57
Speaker 7: We have all the different factions and perpetual tension, and they bring.
00:48:02
Speaker 4: In— So when he talks about the weaponized campus, he's talking about the electromagnetic rays and stuff like that that they're shooting through the air and stuff like that. He was doing so good.
00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:48:12
Speaker 4: He was doing so great. He's not done. Your pension is going to be taken by Wall Street.
00:48:16
Speaker 6: They've been eyeing it for a long time. They aren't going to enforce it with militarized camps, though.
00:48:22
Speaker 4: Campus. Campus. Oh, okay.
00:48:24
Speaker 6: I thought he said militarized camps.
00:48:26
Speaker 4: No, I don't believe so. And also, it's not.
00:48:29
Speaker 2: It's not weaponized students attacking their pensions?
00:48:33
Speaker 4: It is because they have these– remember he has that antenna theory that there are all kinds of rays that are going around the campus.
00:48:40
Speaker 6: Which is why he's suing Janet Napolitano.
00:48:42
Speaker 4: Right. And Linda Katehi, who's going to come back up in a second. But also the very idea that Wall Street wants these pensions and shit like that.
00:48:53
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
00:48:54
Speaker 4: Right on. Right on. But that's not globalists. You did great. That's not globalists. That's out-of-control capitalism.
00:49:00
Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with lasers. I don't think they're going to enforce it with lasers.
00:49:04
Speaker 4: No.
00:49:05
Speaker 2: Although, that would be a much more fun universe.
00:49:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:49:08
Speaker 2: Frankly, if you're going to fuck me over, if you use lasers, that's better for me somehow.
00:49:13
Speaker 4: Right.
00:49:13
Speaker 6: I think that's more fun.
00:49:14
Speaker 4: Right, like it's the Pendragon affair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:49:17
Speaker 6: Look, if you're going to be a monster, at least be a flamboyant.
00:49:20
Speaker 4: Monster.
00:49:21
Speaker 6: Give me something to latch on to. Give me some entertainment, you know?
00:49:24
Speaker 4: So, hold up, this clip isn't done. Let's let Hamamoto finish his case.
00:49:28
Speaker 7: Presidents or chancellors such as Linda Katehi, who's a Greek national, I don't know if she's even a U.S.
00:49:34
Speaker 5: Citizen.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: You have no idea.
00:49:35
Speaker 7: According to my research. And this is how you attack them. You do your homework. You find the biography. It's very easy. It's open source.
00:49:43
Speaker 6: I didn't do that on Linda Katehi, though.
00:49:47
Speaker 7: A network, an international network to nationalize and socialize and globalize institutions of higher education.
00:49:54
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, absolutely.
00:49:56
Speaker 5: And she was one of.
00:49:58
Speaker 7: The leading consultants for the destruction of the higher education system in Greece. Yep. And that is coterminous with the destruction of the larger Greek economy.
00:50:10
Speaker 1: So.
00:50:11
Speaker 6: Okay, so Linda Katehi took down the Greek economy.
00:50:15
Speaker 4: Through taking down the education system in Greece, she then toppled the Greek economy, and then, because she was so successful, she got brought in here to be the president of UC Davis. Yeah. And she has a bunch of patents for antennas, and that's how she's doing it. But also, she's so important that she's an international destroyer of economies and was fired for giving her son and stepdaughter a job. Yep. Ha ha ha ha! He's so crazy. I got to tell you something, Dan. Checks out. Sure. She's this indispensable piece of a nefarious international conspiracy who was fired for petty nepotism. She stole from petty cash. Petty nepotism. It was like, ah, we can't look past that, even though you're such an important part. Of our global scheme to destroy economies through education systems.
00:51:04
Speaker 6: Man, he was doing so good.
00:51:06
Speaker 4: He's so stupid. He was doing so good.
00:51:08
Speaker 6: Because he already had it.
00:51:09
Speaker 2: Wall Street is eyeing your pensions. You could just take that just one step further. And if Wall Street eyes your pensions and then takes them, like they did in Greece.
00:51:19
Speaker 6: Then it's a bad thing.
00:51:20
Speaker 4: Even if you think it's lasers. You're doing so good. I lied.
00:51:24
Speaker 2: Why did you get off track and go to Janet or Nancy?
00:51:29
Speaker 4: Hey, whatever her name is.
00:51:30
Speaker 2: I lied to you earlier when I said this wasn't a good Hamamoto appearance.
00:51:34
Speaker 4: He's killing it. OK. In this next clip, we get to find out some of the inspirations for Daryl Hamamoto.
00:51:40
Speaker 8: All right, professor, I'm going to stop ranting here. I'm going to give you the floor.
00:51:45
Speaker 4: He wasn't ranting. Alex did like a three minute commercial. And then he's like, I'm going to stop ranting here. Yeah.
00:51:50
Speaker 8: For seven, eight minutes, talk about whatever you think front and center, instead of me asking the questions, then we're going to take some calls.
00:51:58
Speaker 1: Great.
00:51:58
Speaker 7: First, Alex, congratulations on your 20 years of broadcasting. Your work, the contributions of your fine guests, your reportage team, has directly influenced and informed not just my lectures, which, of course, has reached any number of students by now, but also my scholarship. There's a book, a new book of mine that's in the mail to you that explicitly acknowledges your contribution to my own intellectual development.
00:52:27
Speaker 4: Oh, no. Oh, no. Are you getting the picture of Hamamoto's life? It's exactly what we thought.
00:52:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:52:36
Speaker 6: I want to go to– can we audit one of his lectures?
00:52:39
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. We have to. We've got to take a trip. We have to go audit one of his lectures. You guys have got to donate so we can go to UC Davis. Are you kidding me?
00:52:46
Speaker 2: And he's proud of those lectures that students go to?
00:52:50
Speaker 4: Well, you understand. I mean, what he's accidentally revealing is that he at one point was– A normal human being. and then he caught the brain virus of alex jones's globalists yeah and by that time he already had tenure right so they can't fire him right and maybe they've scaled back his uh his salary and that's why he lives in this shitty.
00:53:09
Speaker 2: Apartment entirely possible like everything is coming into picture for hamamoto well i'm sure they're scaling back his his caseload or his class load as well yeah no.
00:53:18
Speaker 4: Anything you can do uh within the bounds of tenure for someone who's Clearly off the reservation. Completely insane. He talks about arguing with students all the time. Of course. He insists on teaching classes about Illuminati theory and shit like that. Not great. Not great. Well, I mean, if you want to teach it from an academic perspective, go ahead. But if you want to teach it from.
00:53:38
Speaker 2: A, this is real, and Linda Katehi has antennas that are poisoning you right now.
00:53:46
Speaker 4: I want to go. How much fun is it?
00:53:48
Speaker 6: That should be in every university. There should be one hidden lunatic.
00:53:52
Speaker 1: Oh, there is.
00:53:53
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah absolutely okay i found a couple of them at the university of missouri okay they were great yeah of course yeah i took all their classes right what do.
00:54:01
Speaker 6: You like what kind of crazy we're talking about there.
00:54:03
Speaker 4: Well i had one uh crazy who there was the mean crazy he was uh dr it was some uh it's like wellington or something i can't remember it was right some name like that and uh he was a greek history professor and he was just a fucking asshole He was the kind of crazy. That's not fun. He was the kind of crazy who like he expected everyone to do the reading and he would not be graceful about calling on people in class. And then he would clown on them when they hadn't done the reading.
00:54:30
Speaker 6: That's not crazy. That's kind of crazy. That's not crazy.
00:54:33
Speaker 2: That's not Hamamoto crazy. No, I'm talking about hidden Hamamoto crazy.
00:54:38
Speaker 4: All right. Let's see. There was a guy. This isn't the right kind of crazy either.
00:54:42
Speaker 2: I'm talking like the kind of crazy where it's like it's a nuclear physicist, but he only does classes on whether or not mole men are real. That's the type of crazy that I think of Hamamoto as.
00:54:53
Speaker 4: Oh, he is definitely that. But I guess we didn't have any of those.
00:54:57
Speaker 10: See?
00:54:57
Speaker 4: The only person I was thinking of was this guy named Dr. Rowlett. And he was an archaeology professor in a class I took. And boy, the joke, the running joke was like, he should be teaching about himself because he was like 90 something and could barely talk. And so the entire class was me and the guy next to me being like, can you hear this guy? What the fuck is going on? What is this class? Everyone passed because the curve was a disaster. Can you hear this? That sounds like a Mr. Show sketch.
00:55:28
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:55:29
Speaker 4: You heard there, though, that Hamamoto knows how to get back on the show. He knows how to get in Alex's good graces by complimenting him. Yeah, by saying nice stuff. Which I actually think is probably, he's not being facetious.
00:55:40
Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like it. Hamamoto sounds like he's being honest as hell.
00:55:43
Speaker 4: He is a fucking ass licker. Listen to this. This is what happens immediately after.
00:55:48
Speaker 8: Okay.
00:55:49
Speaker 4: I'm honored.
00:55:49
Speaker 8: I can't wait to maybe carry the book and obviously have you on about it once I've read it.
00:55:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
00:55:54
Speaker 7: And also, just as sort of an experiment, 10 minutes prior to having this conversation with you, I took some Secret 12.
00:56:03
Speaker 5: It's basically liquid B12 vitamins, put it sublingually.
00:56:08
Speaker 7: And I take this right before the lectures because my goal is to be as fluid and slick.
00:56:14
Speaker 5: As Joel Osteen.
00:56:16
Speaker 7: One of our favorite glitter bug preachers for the international audience.
00:56:20
Speaker 8: Well, you're a sweetheart for plugging in. We really are proud of Secret 12. Thank you so much, brother.
00:56:26
Speaker 5: Ooh.
00:56:27
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what's more troubling about that snake. Everything. Everything is troubling about that.
00:56:34
Speaker 6: B12 makes me feel great. I take it before lectures.
00:56:36
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's bad.
00:56:37
Speaker 2: So I can be slick as Joel Osteen.
00:56:39
Speaker 4: That's real bad. He's being facetious. He's being glib there. That's making fun of Joel Osteen.
00:56:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:56:45
Speaker 4: Because he calls him our favorite glitterbug preacher, which is a reference to Alex Jones insulting these prosperity gospel guys.
00:56:52
Speaker 6: I think he's still complimenting him.
00:56:53
Speaker 4: No, I think.
00:56:54
Speaker 2: I think he's being honest about how Joel Osteen is good at what he does, which is be a complete piece of shit.
00:56:59
Speaker 4: I think also there's a chance that Daryl Hamamoto has some sort of a personality disorder. And has flat affect, and you can't tell when he's being, like... That's possible. Because his tone of voice almost never changes. Okay. He's always kind of in the same mode of speech. Uh-huh. So I think he's... When I read the text, I read irony and sarcasm there. I could be wrong, but that's what I see. You might be right, I might be right. Either way, fucking amazing that Hamamoto is coming in and plugging for him. And he continues that tradition on every appearance. Like on one of the other ones we went over, he was like, hey, Alex, I just want to tell you, I just got your book. Or Roger Stone's book, The Making of a Presidency.
00:57:47
Speaker 6: Does he pull it up?
00:57:48
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:57:48
Speaker 7: No.
00:57:50
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:57:50
Speaker 4: And in this, he pulls out the bottle of Secret 12. Fantastic. Yeah. He's got the goods. That's great.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:57:57
Speaker 6: Do you think he's under contract?
00:57:58
Speaker 4: Now, probably.
00:57:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, he has to be.
00:58:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:58:02
Speaker 6: If you're popping up a book, you've got to be.
00:58:05
Speaker 2: Like, that's a social media influencer type gig right there.
00:58:09
Speaker 4: It's buzz marketing.
00:58:10
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:11
Speaker 4: But I think on another level, Hamamoto just sort of understands where his bread's buttered. And he's like, I can get a lot of exposure from this that I couldn't get otherwise. Right. And, like, if I pimp stuff for Alex, I know that's what motivates him. That'll make him more likely to promote me. Right. Everything works out.
00:58:29
Speaker 2: And if people promote me, we'll finally get these fucking lasers taken care of.
00:58:33
Speaker 4: Absolutely. That's the main goal?
00:58:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:35
Speaker 4: Okay. So, um, Hamamoto has got some, a little bit of an oppression complex going. Right. And in this next clip, he references a colleague of his, and I did a bit. research into this and I I can't find anything look here's the deal he gives enough details that it sounds true if you're not paying attention but so few details that it's impossible to search for it.
00:59:09
Speaker 2: Before we go any further, is the colleague he's speaking of real?
00:59:14
Speaker 4: I can't say either way. My gut says no. Okay. At the very least, the story he's about to tell is... I got red flags. Okay.
00:59:26
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:59:27
Speaker 5: Also, a colleague of mine has been harassed continuously.
00:59:31
Speaker 7: And just to show you the viciousness of the university system, she was declared clinically dead due to a massive health crisis.
00:59:45
Speaker 4: What do we do with that? Okay.
00:59:52
Speaker 8: All right.
00:59:55
Speaker 4: So, colleague.
00:59:56
Speaker 3: Yep.
00:59:57
Speaker 2: She was declared clinically dead. Even though she's still alive. Just because her health care costs were too high.
01:00:05
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think that's what it was. Here's where we're cut off.
01:00:10
Speaker 5: Which I won't go into detail. And she published a, which I won't go into detail.
01:00:15
Speaker 4: Sorry.
01:00:17
Speaker 5: Massive health crisis, which I won't go into detail.
01:00:20
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:00:21
Speaker 4: So that's what you think. You think it's an insurance thing? Yeah. I don't think so. That's not how I heard it. I heard it. You have a better estimate than me.
01:00:29
Speaker 6: How did you hear it?
01:00:31
Speaker 4: Retaliation.
01:00:33
Speaker 6: Wait, so you think she raised health care prices?
01:00:36
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. Like she had some sort of an accident of some sort.
01:00:41
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:00:41
Speaker 4: And then your theory makes the most sense. Yeah. What did you think was going on there?
01:00:48
Speaker 2: I'm way interested in your interpretation now because mine is great. I'm a big fan of him believing that they would declare a living woman clinically dead for a while.
01:00:58
Speaker 4: Right.
01:00:59
Speaker 6: To lower the cost of whatever.
01:01:01
Speaker 4: Because that doesn't work.
01:01:02
Speaker 6: That doesn't track.
01:01:03
Speaker 4: But here's how I heard it. And maybe I'm crazy.
01:01:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:01:06
Speaker 4: But maybe I'm a Hamamoto. You're a Hamamoto fan. I heard it as she was making a stink at the university causing trouble. Okay. And so they declared her dead.
01:01:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:01:19
Speaker 4: That is kind of how he makes it sound. Okay. He's like, she has been being harassed and all this stuff. It seems like the declaring her dead was a, hey, fuck you. You're dead now. Or something like that. Honestly, that makes as much sense as cutting down on health care stuff. No, no, I agree. I agree.
01:01:37
Speaker 6: It makes as much sense.
01:01:38
Speaker 4: The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and she is not dead.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: So that's not going to get you out of health care fees or whatever.
01:01:47
Speaker 4: Does he tell the name of the book?
01:01:50
Speaker 5: No.
01:01:51
Speaker 4: No! Come on! She wrote a book! He doesn't say the name of the book.
01:01:54
Speaker 6: But we gotta find out whether or not she was killed!
01:01:57
Speaker 4: He says that she wrote a great... Legally.
01:02:00
Speaker 2: He says that she wrote a great paper that if you email him, he'll give you the name of.
01:02:04
Speaker 4: He doesn't say the name of it.
01:02:05
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that all of these things are enough details that it's like, oh yeah, he couldn't make all that up.
01:02:14
Speaker 6: Seems like he could make all of that up.
01:02:15
Speaker 2: But it's not enough that anyone could confirm this person's existence.
01:02:20
Speaker 4: Well, she's dead. Right at this point, legally dead. She's a ghost. Legally dead.
01:02:23
Speaker 6: She's like Jason Bourne.
01:02:25
Speaker 2: So, Hamamoto's crazy. In this next clip, Hamamoto has a theory.
01:02:30
Speaker 4: How would they even have that power? They don't.
01:02:35
Speaker 2: In what situation could the university be like, okay, wait, her bills are what?
01:02:41
Speaker 4: Just declare her dead. Jordan, I don't like... Just sweep her under the rug. I'll be honest, I don't like your tone. You're dead now. I declare you legally dead.
01:02:48
Speaker 6: I declare you dead.
01:02:49
Speaker 4: Oh, no, me too. You are dead, sir! Hey, this is a podcast where two dead guys like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
01:02:56
Speaker 6: Two guys whose social security numbers no longer work.
01:02:59
Speaker 9: Yay!
01:03:00
Speaker 4: So, Hamamoto got another theory. This guy has a lot of theories. Yeah. This next one... They're great. This one is a little soft.
01:03:08
Speaker 7: But the reason why students are dropping out of humanities and droves is because there's something called the theory scare that took hold in academia in 1970s. And I think I alluded to this in an earlier conversation with you. Instead of reading the great classics, Dostoevsky, which I'm reading again now as an adult, it has a much more impact on me as.
01:03:27
Speaker 4: A grown-up person. You should have read them as an adult first.
01:03:29
Speaker 7: Instead of reading these classics, they were just engaging in literally fraudulent literature high theoretical, philosophical screeds by people like Paul de Man.
01:03:40
Speaker 5: They were people that were imported primarily from France. And I think that was the psyops.
01:03:46
Speaker 7: If any enterprising PhD student wants to do a forensic analysis of it.
01:03:51
Speaker 4: I have an alternative theory to the psyop theory.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: If any enterprising young PhD student ever put forward as their thesis to defend... I think the 1970s theory scare was a psyop.
01:04:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it led to... I don't think they're going to get past that. It led to, in 2014, the people dropping out of humanities classes. In droves! In droves! I would imagine that Hamamoto sees a lot of people dropping out of his humanities classes. I was going to say. Because they get in there and they're like, this guy's nuts. This guy's fucking crazy. Because some people care about their grades, and that is a chaotic element to have, like, giving you grades. Like for us, we don't give a shit. We would have fun. It would be awesome. Let's ride this out.
01:04:35
Speaker 6: Oh, I got an effing fucking fantasy land class.
01:04:38
Speaker 4: Exactly. I don't give a shit. A little wasted money, but it was worth it. It was worth it. So I have another alternative theory that's not just based on his subjective experience. And that is the humanities path generally does not lead to good salaried jobs. Not in my experience. Most of the humanities leads to academia or social work or those sorts of things.
01:05:02
Speaker 6: Or work from home transcribing things.
01:05:04
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Certainly, I'm in the soft humanities. Exactly. Like, if you study Greek, let's say, or classics.
01:05:12
Speaker 5: Right.
01:05:12
Speaker 4: If you study classics. Like Dostoevsky, which you should read as a child.
01:05:16
Speaker 7: No, no, no.
01:05:16
Speaker 4: I'm talking about, like, classical world. No, I know what you're saying. Or literature.
01:05:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:05:21
Speaker 4: Even. I'm against it. Any of those sorts of things. Yeah. The real path that you can go down is become a teacher. Yeah. That's essentially what you can use that degree for. Like, I have one of my majors as a minor, but I took a lot more. Who cares? I took a lot of classes in Greek. And if I were to go to grad school, I would probably take more classes in Greek and classics. And the only path.
01:05:43
Speaker 6: And that would help you run an auto dealership.
01:05:45
Speaker 4: Absolutely. The only path it leads to is becoming a Greek teacher somewhere.
01:05:49
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:05:49
Speaker 4: Or something like that.
01:05:50
Speaker 6: Someone who propagates Greek.
01:05:52
Speaker 4: This is not a PSYOP. It's PSYOP. It's just people in a bad economy or an economy that's.
01:05:59
Speaker 2: Values people with our type of education so little.
01:06:03
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:06:03
Speaker 4: And they value specialized degrees much more. You can get higher paying jobs. People go to those.
01:06:08
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:06:08
Speaker 4: You learned that when you're in college. And that leads you to go away from the humanities.
01:06:12
Speaker 5: Right.
01:06:12
Speaker 4: Your motivation is money. So that is probably a more sensible explanation.
01:06:18
Speaker 6: New job market.
01:06:19
Speaker 4: I'm hearing.
01:06:19
Speaker 2: All right.
01:06:20
Speaker 4: I'm listening.
01:06:21
Speaker 2: We tutor chemical engineers in the STEM field, like just all STEM fields.
01:06:26
Speaker 4: Okay. All right.
01:06:28
Speaker 2: All of our humanity degrees then go to just kind of going into random STEM field people's homes and just teaching them Dostoevsky and shit like that.
01:06:36
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?
01:06:36
Speaker 4: Sure.
01:06:37
Speaker 6: That way we'll never have a theory scare of the 1970s again.
01:06:41
Speaker 4: Sure.
01:06:41
Speaker 6: And we won't have to bring in these fucking French people over here.
01:06:44
Speaker 4: Okay.
01:06:45
Speaker 6: I don't know why you got to dig in at the French.
01:06:47
Speaker 4: Nah. Like, this guy fucking over here. Most of them French. I mean, it's hack conspiracy theory.
01:06:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:06:53
Speaker 4: Basically. Yeah. So at this point, Alex is like, Hamamoto's got theories. I got to come with something.
01:07:00
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:07:00
Speaker 4: I can't just let this guy run circles of crazy around me. Right. And so he drops this.
01:07:05
Speaker 8: I go to Whole Foods and half the magazines are it's great to be poor now. It's so cool. But then meanwhile, Obama's flying around Air Force One telling Africans they can't have cars or air conditioners. I mean, why not say you can have clean cars and clean air conditioners? I mean, it's just they're teaching us it's not good to progress as a new dark age to stop the renaissance that threatens the monopoly of power.
01:07:28
Speaker 4: So here's what's interesting. I know that it's tired for us to play him talking about that Obama saying they can't have cars and air conditioners and flying in on a plane. The reason that I kept it in this time is because what he was saying is literally what Alex says. Why don't you say this? Like he says, why don't you say you could have clean cars and clean air conditioning? And the point that Obama was making was we can't, we can't, modernize the entire world the same way we have modernized the world the first world that we have now we made a lot of mistakes on the way we have to be smarter about the technologies that we use or else the world is going to boil over and so it's particularly offensive for me when alex uses this narrative to make a stab at barack obama then give a why doesn't he say this and says exactly what obama was saying.
01:08:23
Speaker 2: I think that does get into something that is true though what's that One of the biggest problems Alex has with Obama is he just.
01:08:33
Speaker 4: Doesn't talk like me. Sure. Doesn't look like me.
01:08:37
Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily think it's that either.
01:08:40
Speaker 4: He thinks he's smart.
01:08:41
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. I think there's this.
01:08:43
Speaker 2: Huge anti-intellectual movement that coincides with being on the right wing.
01:08:49
Speaker 4: That's why you have a professor like Hamamoto on.
01:08:51
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:08:51
Speaker 4: Yeah. And there's a lot of really smart professors.
01:08:54
Speaker 6: They hate smart people. They hate experts. They hate all those people.
01:08:58
Speaker 4: Right here's you know why you.
01:08:59
Speaker 2: Know why i often get you know why you don't have any common sense dude you guys are so smart but you don't have any common sense you don't know how to solve this budget thing sure you know your math and your gay instruments.
01:09:11
Speaker 4: Well learning stuff is hard That's why. Don't understand. I generally think that the sentiment of anti-intellectualism that runs rampant around this here country of ours, it mostly comes from people that are abused in their own head with the idea that smart people are smart people and dumb people are dumb people. Or that there is some sort of an intrinsic thing where it's just innate. You guys are the fucking stupid. You think you're better than us because you were born smart or something like that.
01:09:43
Speaker 2: The born part is what they wind up getting kind of stuck on.
01:09:47
Speaker 4: And people don't take and they never come out and say as much necessarily. But I believe that's what's driving it when they don't realize that intelligence. I mean, you can make a nature nurture split, but the biggest piece of it is learning. The biggest piece of it is hard work and reading stuff. And learning and experiencing and talking to people.
01:10:07
Speaker 2: Dan, I think we're going to have to refer you back to the four ways to learn episode.
01:10:12
Speaker 4: Race memory.
01:10:12
Speaker 6: Race memory.
01:10:14
Speaker 4: That is how you learn. What was the other one? Well, I know that the best way to learn is to learn. That's true. I do know that. That's a good one. Yeah. So at this point, Alex is like, Hamamoto, you've got to talk to some callers. We've got to take some calls. All right. All right. This does not go well. Hamamoto calls? This doesn't go well. Okay. Here's why. Here's the caller that they get.
01:10:38
Speaker 1: Eddie in Illinois, you're on the air with Professor Hamamoto.
01:10:40
Speaker 4: Oh, I know Eddie.
01:10:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, how you doing, Alex?
01:10:43
Speaker 4: Good, brother. Get ready. Thanks, Dan. Get ready.
01:10:49
Speaker 6: That was great work right there. You played just enough, and then you real quick turned to the get ready.
01:10:54
Speaker 4: I need for you to not have an expectation that this is going to be fun. Okay. This is going to be pretty sad. Okay. And not Hamamoto heavy at all.
01:11:03
Speaker 3: Okay.
01:11:05
Speaker 10: I just want to say real quick that I'm in the middle of a change in my life, and I have a question. I bought the DNA Force and Oxy Powder. I lost my job.
01:11:15
Speaker 8: 816-820-5770.
01:11:16
Speaker 10: Hold on a second.
01:11:20
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, brother.
01:11:21
Speaker 8: We can't give phone numbers out on air, but I appreciate that because somebody could call in with somebody else's number as a form of harassment. I'm not saying you're doing that, but we can't give phone numbers out. Sometimes we can give out 1-800 numbers if it's a known number, but that's a tactic. Sometimes people call in to talk radio and give out, say, their ex-wife's phone number.
01:11:40
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
01:11:42
Speaker 10: Sorry about that. I just want to say I am... In the season of giving, you know, in Illinois, they're saying you can't film the cops. It's going to be a felony. I'm getting ready to be evicted. I'm a very good person. I'm just wondering how I can, you know, I pray to God.
01:12:01
Speaker 1: Now, I hear you, brother. I hear you, and I appreciate your call.
01:12:03
Speaker 8: You know, you can give out your e-mail if you wanted people to contact you locally and have them work with you.
01:12:07
Speaker 1: What's your e-mail? He's gone.
01:12:11
Speaker 8: You're going to see that as the economy collapses and more and more people can't get a job and are kicked off their unemployment.
01:12:18
Speaker 4: First things first, unemployment is unemployment insurance that's paid for by taxes. Second thing, Alex absolutely hung up on that guy.
01:12:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:12:28
Speaker 4: Undoubtedly. You think so? The guy didn't hang up. He was in the middle of a sentence when Alex cut him off with his... general, we're done with this call kind of language. Right. And then he's like, hey, what's your email? He absolutely fucking cut that guy off and hung up on him. I don't know if he did it personally. Maybe the call screener did it.
01:12:48
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably more likely the miscommunication or something like that.
01:12:52
Speaker 4: Whatever it is, that is a unempathic, real shitty. I mean, I know there's still.
01:12:57
Speaker 6: If he did do it personally.
01:12:59
Speaker 4: They're still trying to make a show. And I understand that. Do you think he has a button?
01:13:03
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:13:03
Speaker 4: Probably.
01:13:04
Speaker 6: You think he has a hard and.
01:13:06
Speaker 4: Fast, like... I bet he has a dump button of some sort. Or at least the people behind the board know, like, if someone starts cussing, hit the button. Yeah. Because there was... Actually, I found an episode where Robert David Steele was on, and he's like, Trump doesn't give a shit about us. Right. And then Alex is like, ooh, we are on radio. Uh-oh.
01:13:24
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:13:25
Speaker 8: So.
01:13:27
Speaker 4: No, I just think that's real. That was very sad.
01:13:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker 4: That was sad.
01:13:30
Speaker 6: He lied about buying the DNA force.
01:13:33
Speaker 4: No, no. He might have really.
01:13:35
Speaker 6: He might have really.
01:13:36
Speaker 4: Back when he had a job. Yeah.
01:13:37
Speaker 2: But essentially what he was doing is I'm going to give you this.
01:13:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. So you can give me this. Yeah.
01:13:43
Speaker 2: You can give me the opportunity to put my name out there and number and maybe some people.
01:13:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:13:48
Speaker 4: I'm going to be evicted from my house.
01:13:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:13:50
Speaker 4: And instead, Alex just hangs up on him.
01:13:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:13:53
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:13:53
Speaker 4: It's real shitty. And then he's, like, trying to score points with talking about how, like, eh, you know, people are going to be losing their unemployment.
01:14:00
Speaker 3: Right.
01:14:00
Speaker 4: Like, again.
01:14:02
Speaker 2: That's an assistance program. A program that you hate so very, very much.
01:14:05
Speaker 4: Right.
01:14:06
Speaker 2: You're advocating getting rid of that stuff. Everybody hates Medicare until they're on Medicare. And then all of a sudden they're like, wait a second. I don't think this is a good idea to defund this.
01:14:15
Speaker 4: Oh, why are you taking so much out of my check for these taxes? Oh, my God. I'm sick and I've lost my job.
01:14:20
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:14:20
Speaker 2: It's like what happened when fucking coach was on Fox News and he was like, listen, I've been on welfare. I've been on unemployment. And I think those are bad programs because they saved my life. Like, he just pulled Craig T.
01:14:32
Speaker 4: Nelson. Oh, okay.
01:14:33
Speaker 6: Did you never see that one?
01:14:34
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out if you were talking about Coach. Coach. Or if you had a coach. There's only one coach. Okay. There's only one coach. I was also thinking you might have been talking about Jonathan Coachman. No. One coach. Craig T. Nelson. One true coach. Exactly. All praise. This call did not go well. And this is not what you want when Hamamoto's in studio.
01:14:54
Speaker 6: No, that was kind of a bummer.
01:14:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually labeled bummer caller.
01:15:00
Speaker 4: But guess what?
01:15:01
Speaker 5: What?
01:15:01
Speaker 4: We have something to pick us up. Okay. Out of the ashes of that phone call comes a new guest.
01:15:09
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan is our guest, or as I say it in Texas, drawl where we butcher names.
01:15:14
Speaker 1: Billy Corgan.
01:15:14
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan.
01:15:15
Speaker 1: Billy Corgan. You ought to pronounce his name right.
01:15:20
Speaker 8: Billy Corgan. And he's not in a hotel room. He's flown in and landed. He is in the airport right now. So I can't wait to have him back in studio next time he's in Austin. He's a regular listener and he's just a great guy. I learned that he was a listener through a man cow, a fellow friend. And he's a really smart guy, one of the smartest people I've talked to, not just in music or entertainment, but period. And Billy Corgan has actually taught me quite a.
01:15:47
Speaker 4: Bit about perspective and how.
01:15:49
Speaker 8: To see the world and has helped me mature some. And I think that's why out of the blue for the last decade or so, you see just random hit pieces, even though there's no scandals, no dirt, nothing. That's why you see Anderson Cooper in the middle of the CIA attacking him.
01:16:08
Speaker 4: So, yeah, dude, when I fucking pulled open this episode and it said the guests were Hamamoto and Billy Corgan, I was like, holy shit. Wow. This is the goods. So all these hatchet pieces about Billy Corgan are easily explained by Billy Corgan is a fucking asshole. Seems like it. If you just look, this shortest Google search will turn up at least ten instances of him being total dicks to bands he performs with. Yeah. And so everybody's got a, oh yeah, Billy Corgan was a total asshole to me kind of story. Yeah, I mean, he's notorious for being a prick.
01:16:47
Speaker 2: Most people think Billy Corgan affected them through their music and helped them kind of grow that way, and Alex is like, Nah, he's kind of a shitty musician, but let me tell you about this guy in chemtrails.
01:16:57
Speaker 4: Fucking made me mature quite a bit. He's anti-vaccination. We know that for sure. Oh, God. He's a mess. But also... What? At the end of that clip, he said that Anderson Cooper from the CIA put not hit pieces about him. Hey, Coops.
01:17:17
Speaker 7: And.
01:17:18
Speaker 2: I don't know how to get into this.
01:17:23
Speaker 4: Just get into it, baby. So Anderson Cooper had a segment on his show, Anderson Cooper 360, around this time that was called The Ridiculist. Solid pun. Solid pun. I'm going to be honest with you. Wordplay. It's local TV-level hackery.
01:17:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:17:41
Speaker 4: You know, it's just filler.
01:17:42
Speaker 6: It's the top ten list of shit.
01:17:44
Speaker 4: Somewhat, yeah. It's like an attempt at a comedy piece within the middle. And you know what? I think Anderson Cooper is actually really funny. I've heard him on radio shows, and I like him a lot. Okay. Like, he's been on... Back in the day, he was on Loveline a couple times, and he's been... I've listened to a couple of, like, clips of him on Howard Stern, and he's.
01:18:04
Speaker 2: A super personable... comfortable in his own skin, present, funny guy.
01:18:09
Speaker 4: Born rich. And this segment is not. Okay. It's not great. It's definitely not great. Yeah. He had a bad producer. It wasn't him.
01:18:20
Speaker 6: Or does he come off as stiff and kind of shitty at it?
01:18:23
Speaker 4: No, I think we are comedians, and when you're looking for a premise, you should try a little harder. What happened was there was an issue of Pause Chicago. Which Paws is the no-kill shelter, one of the big ones here in Chicago. And Billy Corgan did a cover of the magazine with a couple of cats and you know, the headline Siamese Dream. And so he was on the cover of Chicago magazine. I don't appreciate that. And so at the same around the same time, he did a commercial for a furniture store in Chicago. And the point of Anderson Cooper's piece was like. It's difficult to wrestle.
01:19:06
Speaker 6: Billy Corgan is an asshole.
01:19:07
Speaker 4: It's difficult to wrestle with the idea of musicians getting older and that sort of thing. He presents it a little bit. Ice Cube is in family films. He presents it a little.
01:19:17
Speaker 2: Bit like it's sad that he's doing these things.
01:19:22
Speaker 6: Ice Cube is in family films.
01:19:24
Speaker 4: That's shitty, though, because the reality is that Billy Corgan did do that cover for Charity. There was like a charity piece attached to it. He didn't get paid for it or anything like that. Yeah, he's no Ice Cube. He's not taking that money home. And he's a supporter of the pause. And it is a no kill shelter. It's all great.
01:19:42
Speaker 6: Pause is great.
01:19:43
Speaker 4: But the other piece. They should get Ice Cube to do something. The other piece of it, too, though, is that furniture commercial. That's not excusable that way. But it is out of character. You know, like it beyond the saying you're washed up and it's a money thing.
01:19:58
Speaker 9: Right.
01:19:58
Speaker 4: It's also like you are avant-garde. You were someone who, when I was younger, I thought was really creative and rocking.
01:20:06
Speaker 6: Snoop Dogg has a game show.
01:20:07
Speaker 4: And the cover is weird. It looks really weird. If you look it up, it's mockable on its own. Yeah. You should have taken another shot, Billy. Right. It looks bad. Take two picks. But then even here, I'm going to play you the end of this Anderson Cooper piece, and you'll hear that he takes the piss out of himself at the end, too. You know what?
01:20:27
Speaker 3: Maybe the internet is the real problem here. There was a time that nobody outside of Chicago would have ever seen the cover of Paul's Chicago magazine. But nowadays, you can't even pose for the cover of WebMD magazine. Wait a minute, that's me on the cover of WebMD. Okay, look, for the record, I have no memory of posing for the cover of WebMD, though apparently I did.
01:20:49
Speaker 4: I gave an interview.
01:20:50
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing.
01:20:51
Speaker 4: On the cover of it. Anyway, let's... Like I said, it's not good comedy, but he even calls himself out a little bit.
01:21:00
Speaker 6: He even got sad at the end there.
01:21:01
Speaker 4: Kind of.
01:21:02
Speaker 6: That's not how you end that bit. You don't end that bit maudlin.
01:21:05
Speaker 4: It's not great, but at the same time, there is an element of it where he's like, Hey, I do it too.
01:21:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:21:13
Speaker 4: And whatever. Yeah, he was trying to make that point. Yeah, he was trying to bring it full circle that it's like, I'm not really being that mean. Right. I needed to fill a human interest piece. I'm taking the piss out of you.
01:21:22
Speaker 2: It's not because I hate you or don't like you or disrespect you. It's because, hey, we all do dumb shit and it's fun to point it out.
01:21:29
Speaker 4: It was the softest of hits possible. And, oh boy, almost the entire interview with Alex is about this. Of course. Because Billy Corgan's an asshole. Billy Corgan's an asshole. All right. All right.
01:21:49
Speaker 6: So if I understand the timeline correctly.
01:21:52
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:21:53
Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper makes a bad joke at Billy Corgan's expense.
01:21:56
Speaker 7: Right.
01:21:57
Speaker 4: Billy Corgan chooses. Billy Corgan goes.
01:21:59
Speaker 2: On Infowars not realizing how much sadder that is than being on the cover of Paws Magazine.
01:22:05
Speaker 4: I propose a solution to this that Billy Corgan could have taken very easily.
01:22:11
Speaker 6: Shut the fuck up.
01:22:11
Speaker 4: No. Oh, that's funny. I wish they would have called and I could have told them about the charity and all that. But that's fine. That's fine. People make jokes and whatever. It's a misunderstanding. Whatever.
01:22:23
Speaker 6: Go about your fucking business.
01:22:24
Speaker 2: Instead he goes on Infowars and he's like, I'm taking that charity money back.
01:22:27
Speaker 4: He's not mad, but he is furious. Anyway, let's get to the first clip. This is nonsense. All right.
01:22:35
Speaker 8: You heard my intro there. There's so much to get into. Let's talk about Anderson Cooper first. Not that he even matters, has almost no viewers, dinosaur media. But at the same time, it's so clear that every time you've got an album about to come out, the hit pieces begin.
01:22:51
Speaker 4: Almost like your publicist is encouraging that sort of thing. Who would have guessed? Maybe your publicist sent a copy of this cover to Anderson Cooper's producers.
01:22:58
Speaker 6: Probably a good idea.
01:22:59
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:23:00
Speaker 1: Because they want to slap you down.
01:23:03
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it's pretty strange. I don't know if your listeners know the context of this, but I did a cover for a charity called Cause Chicago. It's a no-kill shelter model.
01:23:13
Speaker 1: Very proud.
01:23:14
Speaker 9: I've helped raise, along with my partner in the band, Jeff, about a quarter million dollars for the charity. One of my proudest things I've ever done is being involved in animal rights issues. And it was about six months ago. You know, the image went viral. It's me and my rescue cats on the cover of the magazine. Never in a million years did I think I'd start getting attacked. And out of nowhere, four or five months later, there I am being made fun of. No context for the fact that it's a charity magazine. Basically presented as if I've fallen so far off the celebrity radar that I'm reduced to doing a cat magazine. Ben ties it into kind of a where has he gone, whatever happened to him kind of thing, kind of mocking my participation in professional wrestling. No mention of my new album, no mention of my successes, nothing. It's as if I just disappeared off the celebrity map. Very strange. And I think he's probably been a bit shocked by the reaction because, A, I fought back, which you're not supposed to do. You're supposed to take your licks and just put your tail between your legs because the mighty CNN has spoken.
01:24:16
Speaker 4: Or just be a grown-up about it. You know, like, maybe send them a request for a correction, even. That would be not too far off the mature path.
01:24:25
Speaker 6: I actually, I find his argument to be somewhat convincing.
01:24:30
Speaker 8: No.
01:24:30
Speaker 7: I do.
01:24:30
Speaker 4: He's a rock star.
01:24:32
Speaker 2: And he's an aging rock star, and he's not aging the way that the Rolling Stones do. So he's feeling bitter because no matter how successful you get, you're always going to feel bitter about not being more successful. And then he's got a good point.
01:24:46
Speaker 4: That is the way that Cooper pulled that piece. He's lived like 15, 20 years, 25 years pissed off that he's not Nirvana. That is his existence. And because of that, there is probably an oppression complex, much like Hamamoto's got, like everybody in the Infowars universe does, that he's being held down and that his greatness isn't being recognized. How does Hamamoto feel about Billy Corgan? Loves him. Loves Billy Corgan? I don't fucking know. They didn't mention it. I want to know. I don't know. I'll call him.
01:25:14
Speaker 6: This is the only thing I'm interested in now.
01:25:17
Speaker 4: Let me ring that boy. Oh, man.
01:25:19
Speaker 6: We could totally get Hamamoto on the phone.
01:25:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, we probably could. We could totally do it. Let's look into that.
01:25:25
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:25:25
Speaker 4: Let's get our talent booker on that. Yeah.
01:25:28
Speaker 6: The email system is our talent booker.
01:25:34
Speaker 4: Look, here's as far as I'm willing to go with you on this. I'm willing to agree that he has a good point. He's got a good point. It was misrepresented, but I don't believe super maliciously. If you are an adult looking at that, your best play is to not get mad about it and to be like, it's a human interest piece. They kind of were.
01:25:59
Speaker 6: As an adult, I agree with you.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: As a person promoting your next album, I disagree.
01:26:06
Speaker 6: I think the smart play there is to start a fucking shit war.
01:26:09
Speaker 4: Maybe.
01:26:09
Speaker 2: And then get more people paying attention to you and more people realize that you have another album out.
01:26:14
Speaker 4: If that's the game.
01:26:15
Speaker 6: Then yes.
01:26:16
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:26:16
Speaker 6: If he's playing the game, man, he's crushing it.
01:26:18
Speaker 4: Well, okay.
01:26:19
Speaker 6: I'm on his team.
01:26:20
Speaker 4: All right.
01:26:20
Speaker 2: I'm on Billy Corgan's team is the first time I've ever said that.
01:26:23
Speaker 4: All right, fine. Let's see him talk more about it. Okay. Just to give you a little bit of.
01:26:29
Speaker 9: Context on the other side of it. Right after the Anderson Cooper thing kind of went viral. I know you put a story on your site, and I gave a quote for that.
01:26:38
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's why it went viral.
01:26:41
Speaker 9: When that sort of kind of ticked back up into the mainstream consciousness, I probably did about ten interviews in the next couple of days.
01:26:47
Speaker 10: And in seven of the ten interviews, I was.
01:26:49
Speaker 9: Asked about the Anderson Cooper flap. And five of the seven people who interviewed me had no idea it was for a charity.
01:26:55
Speaker 4: And then my response could have been, oh, it's interesting. Actually, Pause Chicago is this really great no-kill shelter, and I was doing it to support them. Everyone kind of misunderstands. I understand.
01:27:04
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining that when my agent sent out the press release to Anderson Cooper's producer.
01:27:09
Speaker 4: Right. Maybe they could have done a better job for immediate release. Billy Corgan does cover for charity instead of Billy Corgan does very weird-looking picture shoot. Yeah. This is all bad.
01:27:21
Speaker 6: I'm telling you.
01:27:22
Speaker 4: Okay. What if it were Kanye?
01:27:24
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:27:26
Speaker 4: Kanye's not coming on InfoWars.
01:27:27
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, what if they were Kanye?
01:27:29
Speaker 2: Kanye gets the same result from Anderson Cooper on a CNN piece. Then Kanye goes on Fox News and goes on Hannity and he's like, fuck this guy.
01:27:40
Speaker 6: I'm still on Kanye's side.
01:27:44
Speaker 9: So that shows you that there's still a little effectiveness.
01:27:46
Speaker 4: Oh, I agree.
01:27:47
Speaker 9: Counting on that low information crowd will be on headlines.
01:27:50
Speaker 4: That's it.
01:27:51
Speaker 8: They are targeting a low-information crowd. But, again, that crowd of zombies really don't even matter anymore. I mean, I'm sad to say that it's like they're almost not even people.
01:28:01
Speaker 4: Billy Corgan. Less on their side now. Billy Corgan, in his defense of himself, is like all these low-information people who only go off headlines.
01:28:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one. I'm not a fan of that one.
01:28:13
Speaker 4: You will turn on Billy by the end of this.
01:28:15
Speaker 9: Okay.
01:28:16
Speaker 6: That's what this whole episode is about.
01:28:18
Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you that he did a good thing for charity, and it was probably miscommunicated, but he's a fucking asshole. Anyway. You're biased against assholes. No, I'm fine with it. Most of my friends are assholes. That's true. I'm an asshole. Yeah. So anyway, here is, I don't know, let's talk more about Anderson Cooper.
01:28:38
Speaker 1: Speaking of Anderson Cooper, he really is... a CIA guy. He really was in the CIA.
01:28:42
Speaker 4: Prove it.
01:28:42
Speaker 1: Not just an intern. Prove it.
01:28:44
Speaker 4: He really is.
01:28:45
Speaker 8: The grandson of one of the biggest dynasties in the country.
01:28:49
Speaker 1: What is it, the Astors?
01:28:50
Speaker 2: Nope.
01:28:51
Speaker 8: So he's a little rich kid. Given everything he's got, he's failed. He has some of the worst ratings on CNN.
01:28:57
Speaker 4: Nope.
01:28:57
Speaker 8: So I would feel good, Billy, just to have this.
01:29:00
Speaker 1: this, this joke, this failure that was given everything. I mean, you came from nowhere. I came from nowhere. He was given everything. He's the opposite of Americana.
01:29:10
Speaker 9: You know, I think what's interesting, um, to me, uh, you know, uh, I try to stay out of the personal side of it. Um, although I did say the other day, I wasn't born with a silver spoon on my arse.
01:29:19
Speaker 4: Like, like I tried to stay out of the personal stuff, except for this example of the other day when I got into the personal stuff.
01:29:25
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:29:26
Speaker 4: Well, he said he tried. He didn't say he succeeded.
01:29:29
Speaker 9: Um, I think it's very interesting that there is a level of arrogance here. That crowd, whatever that crowd is, and I've hung with them. I've been in those rooms.
01:29:38
Speaker 10: And so have you.
01:29:39
Speaker 4: I've been to those parties.
01:29:40
Speaker 10: And so have you.
01:29:41
Speaker 9: That crowd really thinks they can sort of flick us off the shoulder anytime they want. And what they don't realize is that people like you and me, we're just symbols of a much greater conversation. They don't understand that a vast part of our country is waking up, is breaking this hypnosis, this grip of hypnosis, and they can't see it. They literally can't see it. They do not think they literally think they can just double down, triple down on these narratives and these false paradigms. And the public's just going to keep laughing them up.
01:30:09
Speaker 4: Sounds a lot like Alex's listeners.
01:30:12
Speaker 5: What?
01:30:12
Speaker 6: OK, so if I understand that correctly.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
01:30:16
Speaker 2: Billy Corgan goes from a CNN did this dumb piece about me.
01:30:21
Speaker 4: I'm going to be all angry about it.
01:30:23
Speaker 6: You're making me act like a C-list celebrity.
01:30:26
Speaker 2: Instead of saying that I'm doing a great thing for charity.
01:30:29
Speaker 4: I have an album. Two.
01:30:32
Speaker 2: There's a great awakening coming. CNN is the enemy.
01:30:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the only other thing they talk about other than Anderson Cooper in this interview is that everyone's asleep. Yeah. Like that. There's just zombies all around.
01:30:45
Speaker 6: What about his new album?
01:30:46
Speaker 4: Also, I mean, they do talk about that a bit. Billy Corgan did come from humble beginnings, but Alex didn't. His dad was a millionaire dentist.
01:30:54
Speaker 6: Paid for his first show, as we all know.
01:30:57
Speaker 4: And he had multiple dental practices and owned tons of property in Austin. Oh, really? Yeah. So he was a millionaire growing up. Well, then fuck that. Yeah. And I'm going to wait until this next clip plays, but I got some harsh truths about Anderson Cooper that... Alex is probably not willing to deal with.
01:31:14
Speaker 7: Right.
01:31:14
Speaker 1: How could you.
01:31:15
Speaker 8: Not be eyes open at this point? And his mother was a Vanderbilt, the heir of the entire Vanderbilt fortune, not a.
01:31:24
Speaker 1: Asked her but it doesn't matter they're interrelated.
01:31:25
Speaker 8: And again nothing wrong with being the last male heir of one of the biggest robber baron horrible dynasties it's just give us a break anderson cooper because i don't even get into fighting with these personalities but at the same time.
01:31:38
Speaker 1: Yes you do i think it's important to not just respond and.
01:31:40
Speaker 8: Say hey i'm helping a cat charity leave me alone don't try to make me you know look like it has been when i'm not everybody knows that you've been popular all along.
01:31:48
Speaker 4: You've been great billy billy you're the best you're the best billy.
01:31:52
Speaker 6: Have you tried this uh B-12 that I'm getting out of here, Billy. Billy, let me tell you something.
01:31:57
Speaker 4: Dr. Hamamoto. It comes Dr. Hamamoto recommended. Yeah.
01:32:01
Speaker 2: If you want to get some more gay instruments... In your Smashing Pumpkins band. Come on down to hamamotosgayinstruments.com.
01:32:10
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, Anderson Cooper's mom, Gloria, is a Vanderbilt. Yeah. She comes from the Vanderbilt family.
01:32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:32:17
Speaker 4: He is not the last male heir in the vast Vanderbilt fortune. No, I'm assuming they got a bunch. He's been very clear in interviews throughout the entirety of his career that he was told at a very young age that he was disinherited from the family's wealth. That there was no trust fund for him. He's interpreted it as if I knew that there was a trust fund, I would have never tried to succeed. I don't know a lot of people who have billions or millions of dollars waiting for them that have a drive to succeed. And I'm very glad that they disinherited me when I was a kid, that I had no inheritance. A lot of people don't believe him. But the actual real likelihood is that there is no money. Yeah. Yeah, that's much more likely. His mom, Gloria, inherited the equivalent of $ 33 million, not adjusted for inflation. So it would be $ 33 million now in 1925. That's a long fucking time ago.
01:33:13
Speaker 6: His mom is old. How old is Anderson Cooper?
01:33:18
Speaker 4: He's probably 50-something, maybe 52.
01:33:21
Speaker 6: He looks great.
01:33:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does. He looks great. He looks amazing. You know what it is? Trust fund money. I like Anderson Cooper. I get it. I get it.
01:33:31
Speaker 2: That's your real issue here. You're on Anderson Cooper's side against Billy Corgan.
01:33:35
Speaker 4: I can be impartial. I don't think you can. I think you don't like Billy Corgan. I'm calling it down the middle.
01:33:40
Speaker 6: Is this a benevolent minor celebrity situation that.
01:33:42
Speaker 4: We're running into again? I've not met any of them.
01:33:44
Speaker 6: You met Billy Corgan or Anderson Cooper.
01:33:46
Speaker 4: Who hurt you? Dan, who hurt you?
01:33:48
Speaker 7: No one.
01:33:51
Speaker 4: Look, the issue is I'm calling it down the middle. I'm telling you that I think that it's correct that it's not right to clearly bring up that it is a charity thing that he did. Although also in 2009, Billy Corgan auctioned off the right to buy him lunch. Someone paid $ 6, 000 to get lunch with him but had to pick up the tab.
01:34:13
Speaker 5: I mean.
01:34:15
Speaker 4: It's a little asshole-ish. I think you can... So I'm just saying charity stuff.
01:34:18
Speaker 2: I think you can deduct the price of the meal along with your charity.
01:34:21
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway.
01:34:23
Speaker 6: They donated $ 6, 000.
01:34:24
Speaker 2: And I would say probably like $ 142 worth of McDonald's.
01:34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Anderson Cooper's mom inherited the equivalent of $ 33 million in 1925 and family wrangling over the trust eventually accelerated her control of a slightly bigger share. A lifetime of artistic and business pursuits presumably helped her independent cash flow, but unless she stopped taking distributions long ago... Nine decades is a long time for a traditional trust to run. People have muttered that the trust was actually empty by the 1950s. And it's unclear how much money the designer jeans and perfume line that she put out actually made her. By the time the perfume came out, she was already fighting her partners over a relatively insignificant $ 1. 3 million. A few years later, a Manhattan court ruled that her lawyer and psychiatrist had colluded to misappropriate a whopping $ 1. 4 million from her accounts. In the meantime, the IRS seized and liquidated her assets to pay a $ 2. 5 million tax bill. So there's a lot of indications that she's– They went broke.
01:35:23
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:35:24
Speaker 4: No, they did a.
01:35:25
Speaker 2: Study on it, and most inherited wealth is dead by the fourth generation or something along those lines. Absolutely, because it becomes diffuse. There's so many people that are in on it. Right, and the guy who made all the money, generally speaking, comes from a different place. And if you're born into wealth, generally speaking, you're not going to be very good with money.
01:35:45
Speaker 4: And so there's a really good chance that when Anderson Cooper was a child— his parents told him that he's disinherited and there is no inheritance waiting for him.
01:35:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:35:54
Speaker 4: And he interpreted it as a way to stiffen him up and make him more thirsty for life or whatever. But the reality is that there was no money there or there's a little bit of money, like a couple million.
01:36:04
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:36:04
Speaker 4: Something like that. But they had... a lot of property and they were in with social classes. Right. And so there was the appearance of royalty or luxury lifestyle when they were really just probably pretty upper middle class. Yeah. Or lower upper class or whatever. They weren't like old money, the Carnegie's of old or whatever. So Alex's whole presentation about him. They weren't in the Great Gatsby or whatever. He's just trying to stoke up sort of like class anger that he doesn't deserve to play with. Because, Alex, you probably have more money than his mom. Yeah, I know.
01:36:40
Speaker 2: They probably started out at a relatively similar monetary position.
01:36:44
Speaker 4: Right. It's just the image of the Vanderbilts comes with so much loaded baggage for Alex that he can't... Well, they're Illuminati. Prop 2 is making a great point on the message boards. Alex does come from royalty. Confederate royalty. That's true. Good point. That's a fair point. Um, in his next clip, Billy Corgan, uh, while he's been railing this entire time, uh, that Anderson Cooper has called him a washed up celebrity on this, uh, this puff piece, uh, human interest, nonsense, uh, missed comedy, uh, segment.
01:37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:37:19
Speaker 4: I think in this clip, if you listen closely, Billy Corgan kind of says that his career is not going great.
01:37:25
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:37:27
Speaker 9: You know, we have to remember, those of us that are awake, there are so many people that are in that horrible moment of like, wow, if this stuff is true, what do I do?
01:37:35
Speaker 10: And we see that more and more now.
01:37:37
Speaker 9: You see people waking up, and it's really shocking to them that they've been given a lie sort of all along. And as you sit in bars and, you know, around coffee houses and talk to people about what's really going on, you can see that it's not so much that they don't know that something's happening. They just don't know what.
01:37:52
Speaker 1: To do about it.
01:37:53
Speaker 9: So we have to continue to prepare the way. And, you know, this is not some begging appeal, you know, to be supported as an artist. But what I would say to everybody is the artists in many ways are some of the most dangerous people in the world because we have that street credibility to go out and sing some gospel. And that's what makes me dangerous is once my career starts rolling in the right direction again, well, here I come because, well, how is it possible? I mean, they've tried to kill me how many times? And, you know, the Anderson Cooper is just a small example getting kicked in the shin.
01:38:23
Speaker 4: He did it.
01:38:24
Speaker 5: What?
01:38:25
Speaker 4: He did it.
01:38:25
Speaker 2: I wrote down the moment he started talking about all that stuff. I wrote down, go to an ad pivot. Just like Alex Jones. He just nailed the Alex Jones. That's why I'm dangerous. That's what I'm doing.
01:38:37
Speaker 6: So once we get that career going, once we get that money.
01:38:40
Speaker 4: Going, that's right. You did write that down.
01:38:41
Speaker 6: I wrote down go to an ad pivot.
01:38:42
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:38:43
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:38:43
Speaker 4: And he fucking nailed it. He listens to Alex Jones. Yeah, he probably does. He's got his. He got that down. But at the same time, even beyond that.
01:38:52
Speaker 2: They're afraid of me because I'm the leader of the people who are awake. They can't stop me, which is why you guys need to go out and buy my new album.
01:38:59
Speaker 4: And that is what happens next.
01:39:00
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:39:01
Speaker 4: They do talk about buying his album. Of course. But at the same time, first of all, I'm getting very impressed with your ability to pick out these subtle versions of the ad pivot.
01:39:10
Speaker 2: You have hit me with so many ad pivots at this point. I'm starting to become a connoisseur. This is the education. That's what it is.
01:39:18
Speaker 4: I'm a better educator than Hamamoto at this point. And show you the way. Look through Alex's bullshit.
01:39:24
Speaker 2: Ooh, we got to get you a tenor class at the University of Missouri.
01:39:27
Speaker 4: You know what? How to go to an ad pivot. You know what? When you said he did it, I thought what you were saying, and I was going to double down on, was that I think he gave away that he probably planted the story about Paz.
01:39:41
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
01:39:42
Speaker 4: Because when he says in there, my career gets going in the right direction again. Yeah. He's this blustery nonsense about, like, Oh, you're saying that I'm washed up? My career's not going in the right direction. Right, right. What are you doing?
01:39:57
Speaker 2: Well, the reason it's not going in the right direction is because not enough people are awake. Not enough people know they've got a red pillet and get rid of this CNN, Anderson Cooper, Vanderbilt bullshit and start listening to.
01:40:10
Speaker 6: The new Smashing Pumpkins album out in two weeks.
01:40:13
Speaker 4: Here is one of the most grandiose and nonsensical plugs for Billy Corgan's album that happens right after this.
01:40:20
Speaker 8: If people go out and support independent artists that are speaking out against tyranny, that's great music as well, and buy your album at SmashingPumpkinsNexus.com and then play it for friends and then ask that it be played on the radio or share it with their friends, that's how you bring the system down. You've got to go further and decide you want to promote cultures of liberty. I can't tell you historically how many kings, how many corrupt dynasties, were brought down by a jester telling jokes that became viral in ancient times, or by the local band, or even one guy with his, they didn't have guitars back then, you know, one guy with his little mandolin or whatever, singing songs about the corrupt nobility, that would change it. So a song or an idea that isn't in the hands of the system could bring them down, and that's why they target people like you.
01:41:17
Speaker 4: I think that's Matrix shit. But at the same time, Jordan.
01:41:20
Speaker 6: How do you get rid of oppressive regimes, Dan?
01:41:23
Speaker 4: Well, I know that.
01:41:24
Speaker 6: Buy my shit.
01:41:25
Speaker 4: This machine kills fascists. That is exactly what he's doing right there.
01:41:29
Speaker 2: He's doing the full-on... You don't go out and do any activism.
01:41:34
Speaker 6: What you do, you wait for somebody to write a song.
01:41:37
Speaker 4: And you buy it. You buy the stuff that I promote. You buy the song. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's shameful. But then at the same time, I've studied a bit of history in my life. I know that you're a student of history as well. Yeah, that's not how it works. Do you know of any kings that were brought down by jesters or song? Or is that just an archetype that artists tell themselves? Oh, boy.
01:41:58
Speaker 5: Um.
01:41:59
Speaker 4: Let's see.
01:42:00
Speaker 2: Henry VIII, he was brought down by Flatulus the Great.
01:42:06
Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
01:42:06
Speaker 6: Who was a Greek time-traveling farter.
01:42:09
Speaker 4: He did mimed farts. Exactly.
01:42:11
Speaker 2: Right.
01:42:13
Speaker 4: Let's see. No. No. The answer is no. No.
01:42:16
Speaker 6: The 60s did shit.
01:42:18
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:42:19
Speaker 2: Where's our new protest music? Well, it didn't fucking work last time. Where's our new protest anything?
01:42:25
Speaker 4: I mean, Billy Corgan even gets into that a little bit. He's like, where's the political music now? Like, who cares? Yeah. But anyway. It went to hip hop, asshole. So now Alex gets weird because they're already talking about the potency of song and all that stuff. Yeah. And in this next clip, Alex reveals something real weird.
01:42:46
Speaker 8: Now we're going to post this video later today on Facebook and Twitter. It needs to go viral because he has a lot of courage saying what he's saying because they really come after people. And I got to be very careful here what I'm going to say about John Lennon. But they made a film six, seven years ago that won a bunch of awards that had the declassified documents where Strom Thurmond, the senator and others said, we want him taken out. We know the suspicious way he was killed. I'm just going to stop right there. But I've talked to the highest level people and been told stuff about what really went on and then what happened to them afterwards and everything. And I can tell you, the FBI and the CIA killed John Lennon. And then they went on a campaign to cover up what they did with their patsy. And so that's why when we talk about this, folks, it's very dangerous.
01:43:32
Speaker 4: What aren't you telling people? You told people everything. He's just like, look, I can't tell you what I know, but here's all of it. Mm-hmm.
01:43:45
Speaker 6: Is that a thing?
01:43:46
Speaker 4: No.
01:43:46
Speaker 6: Do people believe that?
01:43:47
Speaker 4: Alex might.
01:43:48
Speaker 2: Do people believe that the FBI and the CIA working together, which they don't traditionally do.
01:43:53
Speaker 4: Especially not back then. Killed John Lennon. I mean.
01:43:56
Speaker 6: In Britain.
01:43:57
Speaker 4: If you're awake. Oh, yeah. On foreign soil. Is that what they did? Wait, he was in New York, wasn't he? Oh, that's right. He was in New York. Yeah, he was at that hotel.
01:44:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
01:44:10
Speaker 4: Sorry. Come on. They picked the right time. It would have been funnier. It would have been a lot funnier. It would have been much more unrealistic. No, I don't think. I don't know.
01:44:18
Speaker 2: Well, unless that was all part of the cover up and they killed him back in Liverpool when he was nine.
01:44:23
Speaker 4: I mean, some people believe that Paul McCartney is still alive. So, I mean, it takes all kinds. You understand? I mean, it's weird. Anyway, this next clip is. All right. This next clip is on. I got it. Okay. This next clip is unfortunate in hindsight because they start talking about how– I don't even remember how they got onto this topic. It's not important, but this is dumb.
01:44:48
Speaker 8: Almost all local news is written in New York or L.A.
01:44:52
Speaker 1: Or D.C.
01:44:53
Speaker 8: This is on record and packaged and sent. You tell them the local story, and then they send down what you say. Or it's read off a teleprompter if it's a national story.
01:45:02
Speaker 7: Right.
01:45:03
Speaker 9: So if there's a man in a high castle somewhere, there's not a lot of them. But they're able to, through their control and their media control, sort of manipulate the storyline.
01:45:14
Speaker 10: Your listeners know.
01:45:15
Speaker 4: Yeah. Your listeners know. I don't know what he's alluding to. The listeners know.
01:45:19
Speaker 2: So on local news, when you're watching your local news, Action 6 or whatever it is, there's a good chance that they don't know what the story actually is. And only from New York or L.A. they are broadcasting teleprompter things. So the people sitting around at the desk are all reading, for the first time, local news.
01:45:41
Speaker 4: Well, there's one... I mean, that's nonsense. But at the same time, I want to say one thing really quick before I dive into this that's going to be damning. The Man in the High Castle wasn't about that. As a Philip K. Dick fan, don't use that as your metaphor. I know you visually think it makes sense.
01:45:57
Speaker 6: Oh, there's a man in a high castle.
01:45:58
Speaker 4: But that's not what the man in the high castle was doing.
01:46:00
Speaker 6: No, it's about a man in a high castle.
01:46:01
Speaker 4: No, that's not what was going on.
01:46:03
Speaker 2: Don't you remember Catching the Rye? It's about a dude catching all that fucking rye.
01:46:07
Speaker 4: So much rye. So much fucking rye. Alex's conception of what is going on with local news is sort of spiritually correct, but it's not correct in the way he conceives of it. Right.
01:46:19
Speaker 6: What he's talking about is Sinclair Broadcasting.
01:46:21
Speaker 4: Bingo.
01:46:22
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they are expanding and completing totalitarian control over all local news everywhere and forcing people to run their propaganda.
01:46:30
Speaker 4: Uh-huh. That's bad. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty interesting, too, if you look at what's happened with Sinclair Broadcasting. since Trump got into office.
01:46:38
Speaker 2: A lot of good things, strangely enough.
01:46:40
Speaker 4: It seems like they're coming out as a big winner. Yeah, Monday morning. This is back in, I believe, March of this year. Yes, that's correct. Oh, May, excuse me. This is an article from Common Dreams, which just aggregates stuff from other places. This is from the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting organization. Monday morning, Sinclair Broadcast Group, the conservative media behemoth that owns more local news stations than any other company in the country... just got even bigger. It announced that it was buying Tribune Media for $ 3. 9 billion, creating what Bloomberg calls a TV Goliath. The purchase, which gives Sinclair a staggering reach of nearly 69% of the U.S. population, would have been in violation of ownership restrictions just weeks ago. But last month, the Trump-appointed FCC chair Ajit Pai reinstated the UHF discount, an outdated loophole that allowed media conglomerates to exceed the nation's 39% cap on ownership of media stuff. Sinclair made a $ 420 million deal to buy Bonten Media Group the very next day. This sequence of events, quote, sure looks like a quid pro quo, as Craig Aaron of the media advocacy group Free Press has noted. Months ago, Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, told business executives, according to Politico, that, quote, Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair Broadcast Group during the campaign to try and secure better coverage. The deal, Politico reported, was that Sinclair would give Trump more uncritical coverage in exchange for more access to Trump and the campaign. Now, Trump appears to be using the considerable power of the federal government Communications Commission as his own personal ATM for political currency. Man, Trump's son is fucking stupid. He's so dumb. How did these guys win?
01:48:31
Speaker 2: Anyways, Ajit Pai, well, just recently they... I'm not done. Yeah, I was going to say, the one that was just a couple of weeks ago is fucking insane.
01:48:40
Speaker 4: Well, also, you've got to take into consideration that in the summer of this year, in June, or July, excuse me, this is from an article in Politico, Even while under fire for requiring its outlets to run conservative content, Sinclair Broadcast Group is increasing the, quote, must-run segments across its affiliates, featuring former Trump White House official Boris Abfazian, to nine times a week, the company confirmed Monday. Yeah, you have to run it.
01:49:13
Speaker 2: It must run nine times a week. Yeah, you have to run it.
01:49:17
Speaker 4: 69% of the coverage in the country of a conservative propaganda piece that is masked to look like local news being presented by a former Trump White House official. Also, they have pieces that are made by former Trump communications advisor Jason Miller.
01:49:36
Speaker 6: I'm not seeing any red flags there.
01:49:37
Speaker 4: Multiple Trump people have gone over and started to actively work for the centralized Sinclair Broadcast Company.
01:49:45
Speaker 6: Not seeing any problems.
01:49:46
Speaker 4: Big problems. Well, the biggest thing that.
01:49:50
Speaker 2: The FCC just did is allow local.
01:49:55
Speaker 4: There used to be a rule... Monopoly shit.
01:49:57
Speaker 2: There used to be a rule that you had to have at least six or seven local media outlets.
01:50:01
Speaker 4: Right.
01:50:02
Speaker 6: And they just got rid of that, which.
01:50:03
Speaker 2: Means that Sinclair Media is only going to expand its total domination of local news markets.
01:50:10
Speaker 4: Yep. It is a nightmare.
01:50:12
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that it's... As far as far-reaching consequences have gone, Ajit Pai has been the most damaging person in the Trump Uh, cabinet.
01:50:24
Speaker 4: I mean, it's, uh, or the Trump appointees.
01:50:26
Speaker 2: It's, uh, it's a, it's a, in terms of the future, I think Ajit Pai is probably going to kill us all.
01:50:33
Speaker 4: It's a real stacked field.
01:50:36
Speaker 6: It's a tight race. It's a tight race.
01:50:38
Speaker 4: Real tough to make that kind of declaration, but it looks bad.
01:50:41
Speaker 2: But none of his, none of his, none of his legislation has really gotten through. His Muslim bans have been stopped by the courts. There's a legal challenge to just about everything. The only thing that has apparently unilateral control is the FCC. And Ajay Pai has singularly destroyed net neutrality, destroyed any protections against monopoly. He's expanded the power of media conglomerates. More than I think anybody's ever done. And he's gotten rid of the need for equal internet access. He's given a huge boon to your Comcast and your AT & T and all that shit in order to make sure that if you're poor and in the middle of nowhere, they don't have to service you. Because that costs them money and they don't get as much as they want.
01:51:29
Speaker 8: Yep.
01:51:29
Speaker 4: And the very idea that there was some sort of a deal about coverage for access. Oh, no, that's fine. No, but just the idea that that is the predicate to the antecedent that we're seeing now. That's totally fine. It is not fine. No, no, no. That's how government works, Dan.
01:51:47
Speaker 6: Backroom deals.
01:51:48
Speaker 2: You got to give a little to get a little.
01:51:51
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? I don't. I mean, I do, but I don't. Well, I mean, is that.
01:51:56
Speaker 2: Any different from a guy like Roger Ailes who stands to make so much more money?
01:52:01
Speaker 4: A little different. I disagree. I think it's a bigger con. Okay.
01:52:07
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not as good a con.
01:52:10
Speaker 4: But it is.
01:52:11
Speaker 6: It's not as good a situation there. They're not hiding it.
01:52:14
Speaker 4: Getting into fake local news, making it appear that these are not centralized reports from biased people is going to do an incredibly insidious job of radicalizing people in smaller communities. You're going to have the output of that be, I mean, I guess that's the same thing if they just watched Fox and Small Towns 2. Exactly. It's all bad.
01:52:41
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:52:41
Speaker 4: It's all bad.
01:52:41
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as Roger Ailes, who stands to gain so much for Trump winning as opposed to- Isn't he dead?
01:52:49
Speaker 4: No, not him.
01:52:50
Speaker 2: Who's the fuck who runs Tribune?
01:52:54
Speaker 6: Who runs Fox News?
01:52:55
Speaker 4: The guy who owns it. I mean, Roger Ailes, but didn't he die?
01:52:59
Speaker 6: No, not the guy who owns it.
01:53:01
Speaker 4: I don't know. Murdoch? Murdoch. I think he's dead, too.
01:53:04
Speaker 8: No.
01:53:04
Speaker 4: All right. Who the fuck is it? Everyone's dead.
01:53:06
Speaker 6: Why don't I remember anything?
01:53:07
Speaker 1: We're dead.
01:53:08
Speaker 4: Remember? Oh, we are dead.
01:53:09
Speaker 8: Shit.
01:53:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's dead.
01:53:10
Speaker 1: Anyways.
01:53:11
Speaker 4: So this is all bad.
01:53:12
Speaker 6: Owner stands to gain a lot.
01:53:13
Speaker 3: Right.
01:53:13
Speaker 2: Trump wins because he uses his massive media.
01:53:17
Speaker 6: Company to run propaganda for him.
01:53:20
Speaker 4: Right.
01:53:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:53:22
Speaker 4: So this is all bad, but we have one more clip left, and I'm not the kind of guy who's going to make everything a downer. I'm going to leave you with a punchline.
01:53:31
Speaker 9: You know, sometimes when I'm sitting around a table and your name comes up or I say some things that I've learned through you and through other people, they get into kind of games about accuracy. Like, well, how can you know that that's true? And all I got to say again and again is like, look, come on, something's off here.
01:53:46
Speaker 5: Something's wrong.
01:53:47
Speaker 9: And people like you, people like me, we don't have to be accurate. That's not our job. Our job is not to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves up to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves up to be, you know, keepers or tooth tellers or something like that. We're just pointing, as you often say, you know, you're just pointing and saying, do you see that big thing that's coming down the road?
01:54:05
Speaker 2: I do.
01:54:07
Speaker 4: Alex agrees. He's like, yeah. It's bad just having him say that. It's damning to be like, you're such a star fucker that you will agree with Billy Corgan saying literally the opposite of how you conceive of yourself.
01:54:21
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, we don't have to be truth tellers. We don't even say we're truth tellers. Guys like us, we don't have to be accurate.
01:54:27
Speaker 4: Nah. Never has there been a truer thing said on the Alex Jones show. That's probably true. That's amazing.
01:54:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:54:33
Speaker 4: Fuck all of you. Not our listeners, but fuck all of you. Definitely Billy Corgan. God damn it.
01:54:40
Speaker 6: How did you do it?
01:54:41
Speaker 4: You turned me on Billy Corgan. Boom. He's an asshole.
01:54:44
Speaker 2: I was all about celebrities are allowed to be assholes, and now he's a fucking asshole.
01:54:47
Speaker 4: He's the wrong kind of asshole.
01:54:48
Speaker 6: He's the wrong kind of asshole.
01:54:49
Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyway. It's very disappointing. So anyway, power rankings. Yamamoto, still the number one crazy. He's tops.
01:54:56
Speaker 9: Uh-huh.
01:54:56
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
01:54:58
Speaker 6: Fucking, how is it that Alex is such a star fucker? So stupid.
01:55:03
Speaker 2: If anybody else who wasn't famous- Like if even if even Pchenik or somebody like that who is smart enough to know that he would never he would never challenge him and be like, listen, Alex, you're not accurate all the time.
01:55:15
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm ninety nine percent accurate.
01:55:18
Speaker 4: And even when I'm wrong, I'm right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
01:55:21
Speaker 2: I can see the future in New Year's New Year's intro today.
01:55:25
Speaker 6: But back in the future.
01:55:26
Speaker 4: Right. Like that whole thing.
01:55:28
Speaker 2: But if it's somebody famous, he'll agree to anything you say, Billy Corgan.
01:55:33
Speaker 4: You're so famous. I imagine a week later when he listened back to this episode, he had a thought something like this.
01:55:40
Speaker 1: I make a lot of mistakes.
01:55:41
Speaker 8: I say stupid stuff sometimes. I mean, I hear my show rebroadcast and go, oh, my God, that sounds horrible.
01:55:46
Speaker 1: I don't mean that.
01:55:47
Speaker 4: Yep. I imagine that's probably what you would like to think about.
01:55:51
Speaker 6: Solid punch. Solid punchline there, Dave.
01:55:53
Speaker 4: Fuck you, Alex Jones. Fuck you, Alex Jones. Fuck you, Billy Corgan. Congratulations on just out of nowhere choosing an amazing date to go over. There's a lot of bullshit in this episode. A lot of bullshit in that episode. Yeah, so this has been the show. We've been back to 2014, and now we will come back to the present.
01:56:11
Speaker 2: Every time we do a time travel episode... We never find what we think.
01:56:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
01:56:16
Speaker 2: Every time somebody's like, oh, this is when this big thing happened, I was like, I want to hear what he has to say about the torture report.
01:56:22
Speaker 4: And you're like, yes, but... How about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan, too? Yeah. How about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan more? Yeah, it's like.
01:56:30
Speaker 6: Torture's bad.
01:56:32
Speaker 1: Anyways.
01:56:32
Speaker 4: What happened to that Malaysian plane?
01:56:34
Speaker 2: Oh, Alex Jones is going to eat a hamburger covered in super male vitality.
01:56:38
Speaker 4: What the fuck is going on? This show's ridiculous.
01:56:43
Speaker 8: Anyway.
01:56:43
Speaker 4: I fucking love it. This has been fun. So fucking stupid. If you guys want to learn more about Alex Jones or us in particular, you can go to our- Or Billy Corgan. Sure. We have a lot of news on him. I'm going to do a lot more Billy Corgan pieces from now on. You can find us over at knowledgefight.com. That is our website. That's where you can find us. This is writing content. Jordan, you got a blog up there every Thursday.
01:57:03
Speaker 2: You're throwing down some great material all.
01:57:06
Speaker 4: The time now. Sure, sure, sure.
01:57:08
Speaker 6: You can also follow us on Twitter.
01:57:10
Speaker 4: Yes. At knowledge.
01:57:11
Speaker 6: And then there's an underscore.
01:57:12
Speaker 10: There is.
01:57:13
Speaker 6: And then there's the word fight.
01:57:14
Speaker 4: We're also on Facebook. We are. You can go to iTunes. Download it.
01:57:19
Speaker 6: Subscribe to it.
01:57:20
Speaker 4: Why not? Leave a review. Couldn't hurt. All of those things. I don't know.
01:57:24
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:57:24
Speaker 6: It couldn't hurt.
01:57:24
Speaker 4: I don't know if it helps. Couldn't fight. All right. That's been. Fuck you. May the wolf choke on your flesh. Fuck you. So, I know our website is knowledgefight.com, and I think that's a pretty good name for our website. I think it's a solid name. I think it's a decent name.
01:57:40
Speaker 2: I was hoping for We Love Mainstream Media Attacks, but.
01:57:44
Speaker 4: To be fair, there was a guy, he's actually sitting on the domain name that I wanted. Really? Yeah.
01:57:50
Speaker 1: No way!
01:57:51
Speaker 6: What domain name?
01:57:53
Speaker 4: NoMoreFakeNews.com. Oh, how did he get that one? He got it back when it was Angel Cities or Angel Fire or whatever. GeoCities. GeoCities, yep. And he still has not remodeled the page. I'm very disappointed in him. Naturally. Go to Squarespace, John Rappaport. Seriously.
01:58:08
Speaker 2: Don't advertise for Squarespace. We don't do ads for Squarespace unless they pay us.
01:58:12
Speaker 4: No free rides. That's a podcast rule. I use Squarespace and it's pretty convenient.
01:58:18
Speaker 9: All right.
01:58:18
Speaker 4: It's not an ad. It's just a statement of fact.
01:58:20
Speaker 1: All right.
01:58:21
Speaker 4: John Rappaport, you should really update that website because it looks like a hot pile of garbage.
01:58:25
Speaker 6: And until you update that website.
01:58:26
Speaker 4: And I want your URL.
01:58:27
Speaker 6: Until you update that website, John Rappaport, you can what?
01:58:30
Speaker 4: It is our duty to tell you that you can go fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
01:58:34
Speaker 1: Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
01:58:38
Speaker 9: Hello, Alex.
01:58:39
Speaker 4: I'm a first-time caller.
01:58:40
Speaker 10: I'm a huge fan.
01:58:40
Speaker 1: I love your work.
01:58:41
Speaker 4: I love you.
