Wake Up, Remember Your Divinity: Free Association Unleashed

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Tune in for what's really happening every Thursday, that's Thursday at 9 a.m. in Studio A on Revolution Radio.
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They keep us in fear to manipulate us. They want us ignorant so we're easier to enslave.
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They make us murder one another so they don't have to do it themselves.
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Only you can break their mind control by healing the contradictions within your belief systems
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that allow you to accept their lies in the first place.
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The time has come for us to remember our divinity, who we really are,
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to return to what we are meant to be, a service to others, to return to nature,
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and to reclaim our birthright, that which is freedom.
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The truth? The truth will sound belligerent because it is in direct opposition to lies.
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So get angry, because anger is sacred, and together we can unite and rise.
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Rise from this darkness. Humanity, assemble.
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This is Free Association.
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Your host, Dennis Barker, brings you the ideas, the questions, and the tangents that matter.
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Joined by the sharp wit and insight of Karen, and the one, the only, Dr. Lenny Time.
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Three minds, two hours, zero guardrails.
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Why don't we take a short break here at Revolution Radio, freedomflips.com.
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And now, we're going to get back to your host.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome.
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I am indeed your host.
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My name's Dennis Barker.
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For my sins, I've been here about six years or something now, seven years nearly.
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We've just had the anniversary of Mark, of my first tour, which was the 10th of March, I think it was.
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2020.
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Yeah, 2020 was a pandemic year, wasn't it?
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So, I've got a couple of guests with me today.
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We've got a couple of hours to fill.
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I've got the mad Dr. Lenny Time with me.
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And we've got the magnificent and multidimensional Karen with us today.
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Say hello, folk.
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Tell me how you're doing.
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I'm doing fine.
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I'm ready for another Thursday afternoon of conversation.
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I'm doing well.
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And may the lords of philosophy reign upon us with great free association.
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Excellent.
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Well, I thought we'd do it a little bit differently today.
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Because it's time I started playing some of my AI creations.
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And I've had permission of the powers that be that it's okay to play this stuff.
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So, because it belongs to me, basically.
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It's my copyright or trademark or whatever.
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Some of it belongs to Lenny because it's his lyrics.
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So, some of it is Lenny.
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Some of it is me.
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I thought we'd play a couple of tunes, first of all.
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Let me get myself organized.
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I've got my screen share going on.
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So, we should be okay with this.
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Tell me if it doesn't work.
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Organize myself a little bit.
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All right, this is one based on George Orwell, 1984.
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Do you guys hear that okay?
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Nope, I didn't hear anything.
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I did not hear anything.
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All right, so, my screen share isn't working.
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Let me have a look.
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It's working.
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I don't know how that happens.
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But we'll stop that idea.
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We'll do something else.
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What else do I want to do?
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I was looking forward to playing those tunes.
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I've been messing with AI.
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So, let's talk about AI for a little bit.
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AI music in particular.
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It seems to be very good at the blues.
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And it's quite good at jazz.
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Like acoustic jazz and folk and things like that.
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Not so hot with contemporary rock music.
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But I'm having a bit of fun with it.
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And it seems to do a good job with those things.
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So, there's a lot of hype around artificial intelligence.
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About what it can and can't do.
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It may or may not take over the world at some point.
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But there's a lot of people trying to raise a lot of money.
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So, they're going to tell you that it's going to take over the world.
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Whether it is or not.
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Because they want your money.
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So, I think it's a bit of a bubble.
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But I'm still enjoying playing with it.
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I don't think it's necessarily as dangerous as people think it is.
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It's good to be cautious.
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We want a bit of caution and a bit of skepticism along the way.
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But I think we can just have a bit of fun with it.
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See what happens.
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Well, I think we have regularly discussed on this channel.
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That any invention, discovery, made.
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Potentially or perhaps always is subverted by humans.
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So, AI is AI.
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And it depends on the responsibility and the care.
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So, I'm sure there's going to be huge ethics and kind of principles that arise out of this and whatnot.
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But, yeah, I'm neutral about it.
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I think that the AI is not conscious.
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But that people impose consciousness on it.
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And it only reflects back what you give it.
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So, I found it interesting how the poetry that I sent you turned into essentially bluesy jazz.
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And it's amazing how when you listen to the words, even though they were written 20 years ago,
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it still is what's going on.
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It hasn't changed, has it?
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No, it hasn't changed very much.
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I put blues and jazz and folk and kind of, well, acoustic guitar blues I put in mostly.
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For those tunes.
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And they seem to fit.
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I think dystopian poetry fits into blues quite nicely.
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I think you're right.
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I went back and read all the files of poetry that I had sent.
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Most are just short snippets, not good for music.
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Short snippets, not good for music.
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But Hot Coffee and that last one, Breakdown.
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I could see that Breakdown going to Tom Petty's Breakdown.
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But it was okay as a jazzy blues number, too.
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For those of you listening who are also in the chat room, Dennis dropped them there.
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Yeah, I posted them in the main Rev Radio chat.
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So, you can take your time over them.
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I wasn't sure whether they were going to play with my...
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Because I'm on my phone and I'm trying to screen share with my phone and play tunes.
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I thought it might work, but obviously it doesn't work.
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So, we'll not worry about that too much.
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We'll just carry on.
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Well, you were live streaming and Rev Radio was live streaming.
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And I'm not sure that you can have two live streams at the same time without interfering with each other.
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I don't know how it works. I was just trying it out.
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But if and when I get back to using my laptop, we should be able to do it from the laptop a little bit easier.
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But from the phone, it's really much impossible.
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I had a ride available earlier this week.
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So, I went about 100 miles and bought myself a new laptop.
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And I got back. I allowed it to boot in.
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And then I made the critical mistake of allowing Microsoft to try and back up my old computer.
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And that essentially tied it in knots and it ran out of memory.
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And it freaked and it won't download anything.
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So, later today, my plan is reboot the factory boot and start it again.
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Starting from scratch is not fun, but sometimes you've got to do it.
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I've had a Rodecaster Pro 2, which is an audio interface.
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I've had it for like four, maybe five years.
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And when I was really sick, I threw up on it.
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So, a couple of years ago, I mean, I seriously threw up on it.
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And surprisingly, it still worked.
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But it's given up the ghost now.
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I tried to upgrade the software on it to the latest version and it bricked.
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So, it won't even start now.
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So, I'm going to have to replace that.
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I don't know whether to replace it with a video switcher or whether to get another audio interface.
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At the moment, I like audio.
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I'm not as keen on doing live streams with video as I am with audio.
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So, I might just use an old audio interface instead.
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Luckily, I have Joel.
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And he is a tech guru.
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And he has this big, boxy-looking thing that looks like an extra-large computer unit.
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Like from our computers we had in the 90s and the early 2000s.
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And he does routine backups of everything.
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And I'm just like, okay.
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You go do that.
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But I read somewhere that, on average, people are updating their devices every 18 months.
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That's how fast technology evolves or whatever.
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Well, my old technology devolved as opposed to the new technology.
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The plastic case that houses the computer started breaking.
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And then when I closed it, it wouldn't open.
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And I pulled it and it snapped.
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And now I've got pieces of plastic that have been falling off my old computer.
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So, the new computer was timely.
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I'm still using the old computer until I actually get the new one running properly.
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But I definitely do not like the way I was forced into the Microsoft Cloud without explanation.
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And after two and a half hours of it rebooting, it ran out of memory at 98% and just quit.
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So, I don't know.
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I think that computer companies are all rigged to Microsoft or Linux.
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But Linux doesn't talk to Microsoft.
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And then there's Apple.
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And so, we're screwed anyway we do it.
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Remember when Apple used to say, do no harm?
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Or was that Google?
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Anyway.
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They do plenty of harm, don't they?
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They've just signed a contract with the U.S. government to do lots of harm, yeah?
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Don't be evil was the slogan, wasn't it?
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But they are.
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They're totally evil, especially the people that run those corporations.
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The greed in the world has gotten out of control.
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And it's not about money.
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I mean, it is about money, but they can't take it with them, can they?
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No, it's about power.
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That happens to be associated with money.
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But I wanted to talk to you guys about something I learned new in philosophy this week,
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whenever you're ready.
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Whenever?
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Whenever is a great philosophical term.
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Whenever somebody says something that I don't want to deal with, I just say, okay, whenever.
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Okay.
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I don't want to disrupt the flow, but I wanted to let you know that there's something itching in my brain.
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Go ahead, Karen.
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That's what we're for.
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Okay.
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So I watched The Deer Hunter this week.
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And for those of you who don't know, it's a movie about, like, three close friends that grow up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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and are all called to duty to go to Vietnam War.
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And it's a long movie, almost three hours.
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But I never really paid attention to the Russian roulette with the gun that much,
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just because, like, it was, like, awful to watch, but I kind of forced myself.
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And I started getting curious and studying it.
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And I'm like, where did this begin?
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Like, what's this about?
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You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And I learned that the Russian philosopher, I'm probably going to butcher his name,
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Vasily Vasilevich was the one who created this six chambers, put one bullet in, and put the gun to your head.
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I know this is graphic.
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And, you know, if you're lucky, the revolver landed on a chamber that doesn't have the one bullet.
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But he did this to prove that free will doesn't exist.
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And I'm stuck on that.
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That's when I lean on my, like, theology philosophy friends.
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How does that prove that free will doesn't exist?
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Because you don't have any control over where it lands.
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Okay.
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Once you put the bullet in the chamber and spin it around, you've got no control over the result.
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So it really depends on where you start counting.
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If you start counting from putting the bullet in the chamber, in the gun, then there's some evidence for free will there.
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If you start counting from putting the bullet already in chamber and being spun, then there's no evidence for free will.
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And the end result is no free will.
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Yeah, but then what if you have, don't we have the, well, maybe not in that situation where it's, like, war and prisoners.
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But in, like, the mid-1800s when they were doing this, isn't it free will to choose, no, I will not be participating in that game?
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Yeah, but then there's probably another game somewhere else that you do end up participating in that has the same result.
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Maybe not the same odds, but a similar result.
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We all, because we all, we all pop our clothes in there.
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I wonder if that's how rolling dice is supposed to work.
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There's any number between 1 and 6, just like the gun chamber.
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Yeah, and if you use them two dice, that's, well, 6 times 6 permutations, 36 permutations.
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Look, so Vasily Vasilyevich, why couldn't he just, like, you know, I mean, I know it didn't exist in mid-1800s, but, like, couldn't he have just, like, done, like, Candyland or something?
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No, no, it seems like he would have been more, what was his dates? Was he mid-60s or earlier?
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I think he was born in 46. So, yeah, I'd say about that.
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I used to read a lot of Solzhenitsyn, and that was about free will or lack of it with the government just taking your free will away from you.
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And hard to say. I don't know any longer if we're in a reality or in a holographic reality or what goes on.
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I do know that my belief system at the moment seems to govern my internal surroundings and my external surroundings.
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And so I'm at peace. The world seems at peace where I interact with it.
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But if I pay any attention to the media at all, I see the world is not at peace, and they're playing one big game of Russian roulette.
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How so?
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Spin the wheel, go to war.
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The soldiers don't get to choose to go, but it would be nice if we could send the politicians to war and let them fight it out, maybe roll dice, and the loser has to bend down and grab his ankles or something.
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Could you imagine?
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Could you imagine?
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Oh, gosh.
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That's a pretty good idea.
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Graphic image of how governance works.
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It would be interesting to create a completely different system of governance.
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Not to get there from here, because I don't think people are going to give up the system they've had for all their lives.
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But something that works in theory, maybe in a role-play game, because then we have something different to go to after it all breaks down.
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And it's too bad Dennis can't play the breakdown song, because I think it was a pretty good poem.
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So, like I said before, okay, well, maybe they don't need deprogramming.
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They need programming of something that could actually work.
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But then isn't – Dennis, isn't that philosophy?
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Proposing, which was why you would put it in a game to show how it applies.
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I don't know.
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That's really complicated, though.
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Well, you have to put it in a game, because if you try and do it for real, they call it sedition and try and lock you up.
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Even though I think the whole government is seditious, I really – shouldn't rules be easy for people to understand?
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And the volume of governance just has grown every year since they started, and we're, what, 250 years now into this country?
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When is Congress going to sunset all these archaic laws?
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Archaic laws.
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Traveling a thousand years into the country.
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How many laws get out of there?
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We've got laws from a thousand AD.
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We've still got laws.
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Yeah, my sister said that about France, too, when she lived there.
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And there were so many laws that – the smaller scale ones or whatever, like, good luck trying to – like, you basically – you need to figure it out.
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You know, she was all like, oh, my – you know, my refrigerator's not working according to the lease terms and, you know, tenants' rights laws, blah, blah, blah.
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She's living in Paris, and people in Paris were, like, explaining to her that she lived there after she graduated college.
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And they're all like, yeah, good luck with that.
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Like, there are so many laws that try to enforce that law or hold somebody to a standard to get, you know, to get the – whatever, the super or whatever to check the refrigerator.
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It doesn't work like that.
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And she realized quickly she went into law school, which was always her plan, I think, but that, oh, America's headed in the same direction.
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And all of this too much laws, especially using case law, at some point there will be so many that a large proportion become enforceable.
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What good is a law if it can't be enforced?
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I don't even think you need the clause.
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Just stop it at what good is a law.
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I mean, the whole system needs to change, but, again, you can't change it on people.
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So how we devise the game, I don't know, it might be worth playing a game in which the structure remains the same, and we populate the same structure with a completely different set of people who are not corrupt from having been climbing through the system that rewards corruption at every stage.
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It didn't always used to be that the government was corrupt, did it?
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Or are all governments basically corrupt by design?
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Dennis, I want to defer to you.
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You live in a country that is a thousand years old?
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More than a thousand years old.
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At least two thousand, two and a half thousand, because the Romans were here two and a half thousand years ago.
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Who installed the monarchy?
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Nobody installed it.
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It came from France, I think.
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It came from the Normans.
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Well, there was kings before that, those Saxon kings and British kings, ancient British kings, but the main pomp and circumstance came from France when the Normans invaded in 1066.
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And then William the Conqueror just divided the country up into 46 chunks for 46 of his mates and gave them the land.
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So the Duke of Northumberland got his land in 1066 from William the Conqueror.
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And property law is written to respect that original land deed?
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Yeah, I mean, there's houses in Newcastle that are built on the Duke of Northumberland's land, so he gets £25 a year in ground rent off every property that's built on his land.
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Doesn't sound like much, but when you add up how many people actually live there, he's making bank, isn't he?
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Well, certainly making more than your average salary.
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Where does Germany come in?
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Because it feels like there's a connection between Germany and the UK.
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That was the Anglo-Saxons.
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Go ahead.
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Between the Romans and the Vikings, we were invaded by the Angles and the Saxons.
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So the Angles were Denmark and the Saxons were Germany.
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From Saxony, incidentally, which is a province of Germany.
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I remember in European history trying to keep track of all the different marriages that they had before World War I to try and keep everybody in the family.
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And that sure didn't work. World War I exploded and Europe exploded and they never quite got it resolved, did they?
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No, I just assume everybody's everybody else's cousin.
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And they were all marrying their cousins anyway.
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So everything stays in the same family. It's just a matter of how far along the line you want to go.
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Everybody's a first cousin or a second cousin to everybody else.
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That's kind of the way the European monarchy works.
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Okay. I guess in the United States here, we call them homies.
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So the product of establishment on the East Coast, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Go ahead.
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The United States is hardly united and every state could be a European country in and of itself.
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And so I think it's a problem of big system failure and that there's just too many levels of governance.
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A monarchy might be much simpler.
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A monarchy might be much simpler than what a lot of other countries have.
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But if every country got to keep its government system, how would we replace all the corrupt people in it
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and get people who actually represent the rest of the people?
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Can we do something other than voting?
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Maybe have a selection process based on organizations that work for people?
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Although that's a question, too, because most will say they work for people.
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The banks, the insurance companies, yeah, they work for people, right?
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How would the Native Americans do it?
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And the indigenous of Canada, let's say.
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There's another council.
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Yeah, tribal councils.
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I don't know about the hierarchy forms of it, but whatever they had sure didn't stand up to the European invasion and takeover in the 17th century, 18th century.
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No, it did not.
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But what I come to understand is that the reason things worked was that before the invasion, there was kind of this code of peace and respect to the earth and the land that you're living on.
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And each tribe, it was localized.
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So there was no, all the tribal chiefs from across the land get together at Bilderberg.
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There wasn't anything like that.
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I wonder how many of the stories that we take as history are totally fabricated and how certain stories had legs that people believed in all sorts of different worlds.
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I even wonder if they're the same stories or if different locations have different stories under the same title so that nobody can question the story.
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But they are stories.
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Well, a lot of the stories that are hanging around are archetypes.
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They're not going to go anywhere.
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They're just kind of, they change form slightly depending on the culture they're in.
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But they're archetypal stories.
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They're not meant to be seven stories and that's it.
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So Hero's Journey is the obvious one.
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It's very easy to get caught up in a Hero's Journey narrative if you're not careful.
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And everybody always plays the hero.
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So we're not real careful.
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Yeah, some people might want to be the hero.
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I think the hero usually ends up dead at the end of it, so I try not to be a hero too often.
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I don't know if the hero ends up dead or slogs through all the wreckage and somehow comes out alive and wins at the end.
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Because every story has the hero winning at the end, doesn't it?
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Some of them do.
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Yeah, but you know what about stories?
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Yeah, but you know what about stories?
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It's no matter where they begin or end, more happens.
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You may choose to start the story when, I don't know, this guy from Russia proved free will.
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You may choose to start the story when he's 21 and go until he actually dies and that's the story.
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But the reality is that there's a story before he was 21 and there's a story after he died.
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You know what I'm saying? Am I explaining myself clearly?
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I think so, but his story becomes his story after he dies, right?
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Hence the need for critically thinking individuals.
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Historians or philosophers.
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Historians or philosophers.
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Yeah, all of these things depend on where you start and where you finish.
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Where you draw the boundary gives you the answer.
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So, in effect, the answer is in the question to begin with.
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I quite often think that I've got free will but then I look back at my life and I think I couldn't have done it any other way.
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I couldn't have made any other decision and I couldn't have done things differently, so how have I got free will?
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I think that you actually had a timeline where you did make a different decision and you went off and got the ramifications of that decision.
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But most of the decisions you've made in your lifetime didn't matter and the timelines merged back together into this reality or at least calling the reality this narrative with the paradigm that surrounds it.
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But I think this narrative reveals itself in the decisions that we make and that our consciousness is primarily on only one timeline.
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But the timelines might be simultaneous at different times so that the narrative remains consistent.
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It's time to change the paradigm.
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The operating system that we were given and assumed since we have lived these lives seems to have broken down right now and is not functional for the person that I am.
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So I believe in a whole bunch of different things but I don't necessarily believe that anyone else has to believe any of them as long as they don't burst my bubble and tell me, well, that's not how it works.
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We've all got our own way of generating reality.
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I think it comes from inside the individual.
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I think for me it's like I've got a collection of belief systems, a collection of assumptions that I've made about the world and everything comes from that.
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So I'll get a combination bias based world based on whatever assumptions I've made about it.
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Do you think that you are conscious and are you the only conscious that's using your equipment for consciousness?
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Wow, that is a serious question.
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Okay, could you repeat that question so I am clear on the phrasing?
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Is the consciousness you have now that you act out in, the one we call Karen, your primary consciousness or your only consciousness?
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Are there other consciousnesses that your being has that are different from Karen or is the assumption that the one consciousness, Karen, is the dominant consciousness that other potential consciousness would arise from?
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Wow.
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Okay, I can't answer that question.
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I have a deeper question on that too.
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Pardon me?
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A deeper question.
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Does AI have one of those consciousnesses?
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Have one of them or influence?
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Have one of them or influence?
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Is AI conscious?
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You know, I don't know.
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Is it aware of itself?
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Rose Godwin writes a compelling book and it's the whole thing about the lattice or whatever.
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I think it's too early to be able to know for sure.
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I'll have to read her book.
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How do we not know that we didn't begin as AI?
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I don't know.
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There's a lot of how do we know that that are not answered under the current paradigm.
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But we have to make some assumptions.
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But we have to make some assumptions.
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And Dennis's assumption that he is the primary consciousness that runs the entity Dennis Barker uniquely, I think, holds up as a theory.
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How would you explain multiple personalities?
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Go ahead, Dennis.
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I'm sorry.
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Well, I used to.
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At one point, I was wandering around.
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This is a long time ago.
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It's what, 2003, 2004.
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It would have been just before.
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At some point, just before Christmas, just after Christmas in 2004, there was a tidal wave and a tsunami.
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It hit Thailand.
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I don't know whether you remember.
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I remember.
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Well, about three weeks before that, I was I was living in London at the time.
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I was wandering around the streets of London talking to myself because I had endless, endless combinations of voices in my head at the time.
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And one of the things that I got an intuition about was that.
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Literally, this is the number 250,000 people are going to die.
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I thought it's either an earthquake or it's something similar, maybe a nuclear bomb goes off or something.
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I didn't know what it was.
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I knew it was food because I could feel it.
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I could feel like the vibrations of the thing that was going to kill these people.
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But I didn't know how to describe it, really.
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And I didn't know what it was.
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So there was no way there was no way to stop it.
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But that, in part, came from from me having multiple parts of myself talking to each other.
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So whatever was going on.
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The level of intuition I had was coming in part from the internal conversations I was having.
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But it was.
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It was weird.
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So then my next question is, is the consciousness the collective of all the parts or is it just each part?
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Having worked with satanic ritual abuse survivors that have multiple personalities.
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Certain.
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And I don't know if each personality is an individual conscious or it's all part of one conscious.
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And the conscious is like, OK, you know.
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You know, personality to Europe.
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You're the one that deals with confronting conflict.
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And I'm not sure.
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So what are your thoughts on that?
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There are levels of consciousness that perhaps there is collective consciousness among species that's different from the consciousness of individuals.
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And I believe that all humanity has a sliver of the divine within them so that you can step into your divinity.
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And it's a lot of work to keep it there, but you can make things happen just by your own will.
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But free will.
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Gee, I don't think people have free will because we're in this world that is look at it as a LARP, a live action role play game where you're playing the role.
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Karen Dennis is playing himself and I'm playing the doctor and everybody gets to play themselves in this LARP.
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But at some point, the director is going to come and say, oh, that's a wrap and hit the clapper and we're all going to wake up with Star Trek uniforms getting beamed around by Scotty.
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Oh my God.
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That's funny.
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There's a lot of things that you can imagine could work.
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And I think that one of the problems we might have with our current reality is people's imagination used to work much better before they were looking at screens and watching stories that were supposedly images of trust.
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That trust is sure broken down.
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I mean, how can we take a look at the information base that comes into the current system that we have worldwide, which doesn't work together, and the national systems, which nationwide really don't work together.
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I mean, look at Texas, California, and New York.
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You have enough to say about United States.
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But I asked a friend who was running for state senate what his three most important issues were, and he said housing, health care, and public transportation.
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Is that what states are there for, to provide health care, housing, and public transportation?
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And if that's what a person running for senate thinks is the role of what senate is, maybe we should take federal out of those areas completely because they don't belong.
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It's a state issue.
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And I don't know.
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It seems to me we need to turn the pyramid upside down, let people make their own decisions, and only have rules that protect us from each other.
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I like that.
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I like that a lot.
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Well, I'm working on a game to role play a different system altogether, and it's going to be based on threads and tying knots and weaving fabrics in a first approximation, so that we get the idea that being part of a multi-person knot using your threads,
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intertwined with other people's threads, makes for winning rewards in the structure of the game.
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So like you and I and Dennis would each have a different color thread, and we'd weave a knot with each show we did.
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And those knots would weave together to form something bigger, and everybody has their own unique thread to bring in.
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But the idea of the exchange between multiple people is to have balance at the end, not necessarily have winners and losers.
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But it's still in theory, and it's an early level game just to teach people how to make trades, because I think that the priority for a different system is to get exchange away from economics as it currently is.
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No banks, no insurance companies.
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Everybody has a floor and a ceiling, but we have free will and where we are between the floor and the ceiling.
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Very interesting.
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I've got a lot of thoughts, but I'm also aware of the time.
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But when we're first born and we're a baby, and our only source of information is what we sense, do we have free will at that time?
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I would say children have no free will.
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They are at the beck and call of their parents who instill in them responsibility so that they can play the game of adulthood properly.
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But there's no reason why we should be giving children the power to change their sex at six years old.
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This has to do with Piaget's cognitive development.
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At what age are you capable of compiling the data, deliberating it, and making a decision for yourself?
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This is what's interesting.
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I have worked with kids that have kidney disease and had to start on dialysis at age 10.
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And they grow up really fast.
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And sometimes when you're talking to them, it's like, oh my God, if every adult I encounter would just give an ounce of the wisdom you have, it'd be so great.
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And I've met adults that, despite all of their experience, are honestly chronically bad decision makers.
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So I don't know.
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That might be a good place to stop for now.
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It's all situational.
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And you can set up the LARP to solve situations or dilemmas.
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And the more people involved, the better than not in the thread.
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Good idea, Karen.
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Thank you.
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Okay, welcome back. This is Hour 2. The show's called Free Association. We're here every Thursday at 5 p.m. my time, UK time, 12 noon Eastern time.
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I don't know what it is in the rest of the U.S., but you can work it out from there.
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So, we've got an hour. We've been talking about stories, we've been talking about multiple personalities, we've been talking about lots of things.
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So, we can take up. Karen, I think you wanted to continue with something. I know you were holding your breath before the break.
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No, I think what I was kind of doing was shifting gears, just having studied adolescence and the ethics of making choices for themselves.
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Sometimes, I guess basically I want to say, not just based on studies, but based on observations, sometimes the kids are, some kids are more mature, more wise, more level-headed than their parents.
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And there are lots of cases where, I know we were talking about law, but in law, that they were permitted to make their choices to, yes, I want to receive mental health treatment.
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Yes, this is my reason after, let's say, being sexually assaulted, I want to abort. I don't agree with my mother, but this is my reasoning, my rationale.
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So, it becomes tricky because adolescents are developing their cognitive skills. Well, all kids are. And when they get to this age of like preteen, it becomes murky.
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Because they begin developing more abstract level type of thinking or critical thinking. And a lot of times, they're not very good at it yet.
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And so, it's actually kind of cute when you look at it that way. Some of the things that they try to, and think that they have a strong argument for, like they don't fly.
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But for kids that have been managing a chronic illness their entire life, they just, their thought patterns are different and more sound, if that makes sense.
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I'm not saying all kids, but it's a case-by-case basis, which is what makes the ethics of adolescents' decision-making capacity very, very complex.
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So, something occurred to me while you were talking, and it seems like you were describing a situation where a teenager is given agency, given free will by society.
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Yes, in some cases, yes. And I don't know about all of the states, but I know definitely in Texas and Pennsylvania that if you are 14 years of age, you may consent to mental health treatment.
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It's interesting, because I've seen some crazy fights over the years of people, and I'm like, oh my God. Okay, so this kid is 16. He came in. I mean, he's bleeding. Yes! We're an emergency room department. Start treating it!
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You know, I'll look for the mom. I'll get them down here. But you don't delay treatment, because you're like, oh, well, they're a minor, and so they can't consent treatment. You know, there's things like that that come up a lot.
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Yeah, I don't know what the actual legal age is for responsibilities. I think it's about 11 or 12 in the UK. I think you can be put on trial for murder once you get to about 12. But before that, you don't have, legally at least, you don't have the ability to reason enough. You've got to know the difference between right and wrong, basically.
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Well, the other challenge with that is that cognitive development isn't like physical milestones. At one, they talk. They stand. You know, at two, they begin developing their gross motor skills. These are very observable things, but a brain is very, very complex.
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I mean, we're literally still in the infantile stages of understanding what actually happens in the brain.
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So that crossover from concrete thinking status to abstract critical thinking status, which I might add that some of the education process impedes, it's different.
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And it's really something that should go case by case because, I mean, just look at the adult population.
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I mean, once you pass, oh, I'm an adult. I'm an adult. I can do whatever I want. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Whenever I decide, I can make, and this is said often in ethics, it's said that people are allowed to be poor decision makers, but kids are not allowed to be poor decision makers.
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I question the knowledge base in this area completely on authority, and you pointed out that adults get free will as though they are capable of thinking, and maybe that's a problem we have with the whole society.
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Is too many children pretending they're adults and too much individual responsibility not accepted by any individual?
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And so restructuring, how could you make it so that somebody who has agency over themself can demonstrate that agency and then be in a category where they can self-rule when most people can't self-rule, don't have a clue, and are just wondering where they're going?
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I mean, this is what makes things like guardianship very hard for every age.
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You know, in Pennsylvania, it was more liberal in that, look, I mean, like I had a woman that was so demented, her family wasn't involved in her care, she just runs from her house, and she's lying down on her back in the middle of a very busy road not to commit suicide.
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She just didn't know what she was doing. She was unsafe.
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But in Pennsylvania, there's a process where you can get an emergency guardianship of her body's safety that just, you know, it lasts for like 72 hours to be able to get your ducks in a row, like try to locate family and do this stuff.
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And it can be completely revoked after 72 hours. But it's like that person's not safe. There is not a process like that in Texas. I mean, there is, but there isn't. And I don't want to get into the differences.
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There's a problem in that there is no place for the mentally insane to be congregated and kept. There used to be in the past, but nowadays, that doesn't work because they closed all the asylums.
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And so everybody who ought to be in an asylum is out on the street. And if they don't have somebody taking care of them, is that a breakdown of the system? I think it is. I think the system is already broken.
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Well, of course it's broken. But I'm just trying to map out the differences. Like, so in Pennsylvania, this woman actually had the means and the savings to be in assisted supervised living. She actually had that.
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But she didn't have the organizational thought, that kind of thing, to make that happen. And if you'd ask her, no, I want to go back home, of course, everybody wants to go back home. But it's like, it's 2 o'clock in the morning, you're laying down in the middle of the street.
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In Texas, they would say, well, she can decide whatever she wants, regardless if she's fully demented, partially demented, or this is just, that's her free will to lay down on the street.
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In Pennsylvania, there's a court system that doesn't lock her into a guardianship, but allows like 72 hours to keep her safe until we talk to her primary care doctor. What is her history? Is there any family out there? Does she have any children? That kind of stuff.
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And I don't know, it's completely imperfect, and it's really screwed up.
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Yeah, whose responsibility should it be? Is that federal, state, or local?
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Well, ideally, the person would make a very specific advance directive.
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They're not capable of that. The medical profession seems to have overstepped its bounds once again, and it probably keeps a lot of people from getting the help they need.
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Well, the advance directive would say that this is my value system. As I have lived as a human for however long, my value system is that I want to stay in my home, and if I'm ever in a condition of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, I would accept this. I would not accept this. I would accept this. I would not accept this.
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I would accept intervention, but that's based on the way we learned it was like their lives, living, how they worked, how they interacted with people, just basically their behavior and kind of like their way of being, their values.
644
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They would map that out. Now, I spoke very in-depthly with an attorney about this, because this is an area of interest of mine, who said, ideally, the best advance directive is saying, my surrogate decision maker is Dennis the philosopher.
645
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:21,000
And in doing that, and not specifying every little detail, because there's a million different medical circumstances and combinations. You could never limit it to like the letters in the alphabet.
646
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Let me finish, please. I just wanted to say that, so if I say, I want Dennis to be my surrogate decision maker, when you sign that document, you're saying that Dennis knows me.
647
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:57,000
He knows my personality. He knows my value. He knows my statements. We've had discussions about what I would and would not want if I'm ever in a state that my mind is not capacitated well enough to make decisions that are consistent with the values that I've lived during my life.
648
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:14,000
And he knows those things, and I'm trusting him implicitly with making whatever choices have to be made if I should deteriorate. Anyway, so I thought that was interesting. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
649
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:30,000
So you're saying that people should have a legal document, or in their will, should have a surrogate decision maker for the benefit of the health care system?
650
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Well, you tell me.
651
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,000
I think we need a new way.
652
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Well, if your heart stops, do you want it resuscitated, or do you want to allow natural death?
653
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,000
Bury me in a compost pile on the back of somebody's farm. I'll be fine.
654
01:15:49,000 --> 01:16:04,000
Okay, so you want to allow natural death. So what would happen is if somebody in your environment freaks out, calls the medics, and the medics come, and you don't have an advance directive, they're automatically going to start chest compression.
655
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:15,000
Somebody in my neighborhood calling, gee, you know what, that's not the world I live in.
656
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:26,000
There is nobody in this neighborhood who would help me at all, except my cat, who would probably try and chew on my beard because I'm not up and feeding her.
657
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:36,000
But, you know, the overreach involved in doing that just makes me shudder.
658
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:54,000
We're talking about personal freedom on one stage, and in another we're talking about, oh, you have to do this, you have to do that, legally, so that you're protected from the medical profession, which kills more people.
659
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Well, that's exactly why I am an allow natural death person. My concern is, I'm not sure that my husband can actually uphold my wishes and values.
660
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:24,000
You're not going to die in your plane of consciousness right now.
661
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:34,000
I have congestive heart failure. I have a heart attack or a stroke, and let's say I'm left-sided paralyzed.
662
01:17:35,000 --> 01:18:00,000
All right. At least in the United States, in the age that I am right now, I do not want the system taking care of me if I cannot, you know, pee, poop, wash my face, take a shower, you know what I'm saying?
663
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:07,000
But there's different thresholds. Dennis, I'm sorry, is this triggering to you?
664
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:21,000
No, not at all. I was just thinking that the one person I wouldn't want to be in charge of my care is my mother, because she's got a completely different way of looking at the world to me.
665
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:35,000
So she wouldn't be able to, she would try and make a decision, but it would be based on her assumptions about the world, not mine. What we're trying to get to is a place where people are making decisions based on my assumptions about the world.
666
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:53,000
You have to designate somebody that knows what you want and can actually enforce it. Now, every time we have a pet that dies, Joel is the last to get on board. He continues to go in denial.
667
01:18:53,000 --> 01:19:08,000
I'm like, I'm just sorry. I've seen you too many times with the death of my mother, the death of your father, the death of multiple pets we've shared. You freak out and you choose to extend and extend and extend.
668
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:26,000
So I actually identified a best friend of mine to actually be my primary agent and voice, because we've had conversations. She knows my wishes, and she knows that when I say allow natural death, I mean it.
669
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:55,000
You know, death is one of those things that should be taken personally. And while I believe that consciousness doesn't die, the physical body does die, and it sure would be nice to have a place to go that is a place before you actually pass where things are taken care of.
670
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:22,000
But it's an illusion that that can be provided by the current system. The idea would be to take part of a game and role-play it and figure out how to do that sort of end-of-life care as part of a role-play and have people make aware decisions while they are indeed aware of their decisions.
671
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:32,000
That would be a very good thing to do, I think. I don't know how you would convince people it's a good idea, but it sounds to me like a very good idea.
672
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Well, that's why you would role-play it, is because people who think it's a good idea can build on the idea, and after a while you get somewhere.
673
01:20:45,000 --> 01:21:01,000
Most people hear the word role-play and they think Dungeons and Dragons, but I'm thinking actors in their roles get to be to the point where they're just believable, like Hawkeye, Alan Alda, and M.A.S.H.
674
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Totally believable in his role, so much so that he typecast himself and never really had another role after that, or Spock, Leonard Des Moines.
675
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Well, your child, and you've been fighting leukemia your entire life.
676
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:48,000
And now you're like 11-ish, 12-ish, and you have a mother that just won't let go because in her mind, in her philosophy, and I hear this a lot from moms, and I get it.
677
01:21:49,000 --> 01:22:07,000
I'm supposed to protect, assuming that in her mind, protection means keep my child alive, but the child is the one that is going through the treatments that are uncomfortable, and it's been recurrent.
678
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:21,000
Okay, so what do you do if the kid's like, no, I don't want to continue trying. I just want to allow natural death and die in peace. Just keep me comfortable.
679
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,000
No, you're not allowed to die. No, no, no.
680
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that shows up in courts.
681
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:47,000
What's even sicker is when the mother does agree with the child, and the hospital is like, this is an action of child neglect.
682
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:55,000
You're not protecting your child by making choices to extend your child's life.
683
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,000
This crap gets real. It's bad.
684
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:25,000
You know, it's funny. I sent you that article earlier this week on systems and models, and in reality, we're looking at systems that have no ability to change their model, and they were designed for something that really doesn't exist in the reality of today.
685
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:46,000
So changing how things are done in the reality of today is impossible and not worth it, except on a personal basis, locally and sub-locally with the groups of people you hang out with and do things with in that.
686
01:23:47,000 --> 01:24:10,000
And if we can set up a series of games, not necessarily we as in Karen, Dennis, and Lenny, but a group of people who sets up games that have a conundrum or a dilemma, and have people solve the dilemma and pick up skills,
687
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:34,000
and start measuring skills within the games and give scenarios that make people work together in uncomfortable scenarios, but have those scripts play over and over so that lots of people play the role and we see what the choices are.
688
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Well, in American healthcare, it's almost like groupthink. Whatever they decide is what they try to shove down the throat of the decision maker.
689
01:24:53,000 --> 01:25:01,000
Yeah, I'm not trying to change that reality. I just want an alternative that actually works in our minds.
690
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000
I understand.
691
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,000
It doesn't have to work for everyone, but it does have to work for everyone. We're not going to change.
692
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:29,000
Every doctor and nurse that has ever come from any kind of round or two-year thing as expats from other countries around the world, they're like, I could never work full time in American healthcare.
693
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
I don't know if this is resonating with you, Dennis.
694
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:51,000
Yeah, I understand the dilemma. I understand the systems weighing down on everybody. Really, when you're in training, depending on the amount of training you do, it becomes indoctrination to an extent.
695
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,000
I don't know how you get around it.
696
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:18,000
So why does every other healthcare professional that is doing nursing, physical therapy, doing a residency, whatever, why do they all say, I could never, ever, ever work in American healthcare?
697
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Because what you guys have or don't do that we're doing, I think it has to do with the litigious stuff, I think.
698
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Absolutely.
699
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:44,000
It's partly because a lot of it depends on money in the States, and the money's taken out of the equation. In Britain, nobody worries about money.
700
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:56,000
It's like if you get sick, you get treated and that's it. Nobody has to worry about insurance or remortgaging or whatever.
701
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:02,000
If you need surgery, you might have to wait a couple of years, but you'll get surgery.
702
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:08,000
You might have to sit in a queue because there's always people ahead of you in the queue unless you're in an emergency.
703
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:17,000
But I think that's part of it. It's like once you put money into the equation, it becomes something else.
704
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:30,000
It stops being healthcare and starts being a lot of people at the top of the chain paying their mortgage or taking equity or whatever it is.
705
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:39,000
Meanwhile, the primary stakeholder is the person who is sick.
706
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:46,000
It doesn't matter if they're a minor or not. Go ahead, Dennis.
707
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:58,000
I was just going to say that every other healthcare system in the world, apart from the States and New Zealand, runs on a government healthcare system.
708
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,000
There's only the United States that doesn't do it from the government.
709
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:11,000
There's only the United States that doesn't do it as a combined thing. It's the right, not a privilege.
710
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,000
Healthcare is a right. You've got a right to be looked after.
711
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:25,000
The system that you pay into your whole life should look after you, should take care of you because you've looked after other people.
712
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,000
I've paid in for 35 or 40 years. I've never needed healthcare.
713
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:38,000
I've been to the doctors three times in my life until I got sick, and now I'm seeing the doctor three times a week.
714
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,000
But it's not something that I could do anything about.
715
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:50,000
If you treat it like it's somebody's fault that they're sick, then that's a problem.
716
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:58,000
If you treat it like it's your responsibility to have healthcare because it's your responsibility to be healthy, that's true.
717
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:10,000
But nobody wants to be sick. Well, that's not quite true either because there's some subconscious things going on that make people want to be sick sometimes or they're getting attention or whatever.
718
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:18,000
But apart from those kind of educators, nobody in the main stream of society wants to be sick.
719
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:34,000
And it's the mainstream of society, it's like the 90%, let's call it. I don't know how much it is, but let's call it 90% under the bell curve in the middle that you're looking at, that are paying for it.
720
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,000
So they're the people you need to look after.
721
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:52,000
So if I paid in for 35 years, I'm not denying anybody the right to their money from their job because I've given in my money from my job for 35 years.
722
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:59,000
So it's a reciprocal thing. If it's not reciprocal, then what's the point of even having a government?
723
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,000
That's a great question. I don't have the answers and I'm tired, you know.
724
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:23,000
So it has to be a reciprocal thing. If you're working through your life and there's no reciprocity, there's no give and take between the people in your life, then you're just living a solo life with no connection to anybody.
725
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:32,000
Then what's the point? You might as well just be on an island somewhere, but that's not the way that people live.
726
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:38,000
People live in small groups. It might want to be a group of one or two or three, but there's always a small group.
727
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:46,000
It's never just one person, never just on its own one person. There's always a group involved somewhere.
728
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:53,000
So there's always reciprocity. There's always a give and take between people.
729
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:03,000
So on whatever scale it is, if it's paying into a national health system, so you pay in and you take out when you need it.
730
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:11,000
That seems perfectly reasonable and logical to me. I don't see why, to me, it's like why would you do it any other way?
731
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:19,000
It has to be run as a national thing. In the United States, it would be a statewide thing probably.
732
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:28,000
It has to be a minimum number of people to make it viable, which is a couple of million people, let's call it.
733
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:37,000
Maybe five million people to make it viable. So that's the scale it would have to run at as a minimum to work.
734
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:45,000
Because you're paying in and it's a law of averages whether you get sick or not, but you don't know who it's going to be.
735
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,000
It's like this Russian roulette. Basically, there's a chamber there with a bullet in it.
736
01:31:51,000 --> 01:32:00,000
And if you pull the trigger and you get the bullets, then you get kidney failure or you get heart failure or you get a brain tumor or whatever it is.
737
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,000
But it's not your fault because it's a one in six chance that it might happen.
738
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:23,000
I love how you're thinking and I just wish, I don't know what to say. I was the first Affordable Care Act social worker in the nation.
739
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,000
And I'm probably the only person that read all 1,000 pages of that policy.
740
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:35,000
And it was like more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
741
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:48,000
And they believe that if it's the law, you have to have health insurance.
742
01:32:49,000 --> 01:33:02,000
The premise by the great experts that helped implement this was that all the 20-somethings and 30-somethings would be paying for health care.
743
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:16,000
And just like you mentioned, Dennis, that it would be one in six helping to pay for the older people.
744
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:22,000
But the young generation was like, well, fuck this.
745
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:30,000
I hate it when I swear because I'm trying to be good.
746
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:35,000
All right. People are like, F this.
747
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:54,000
What are you going to do to me if I don't buy this BS, I've never even heard of this company, managed care thing on the health care exchange.
748
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,000
I'll take my chances.
749
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:06,000
You know, I'm young, I'm healthy, and I'm going to try and just gain a job where I get health insurance.
750
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,000
But guess what happened?
751
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:34,000
All the 50-year-olds, the people that like 50, 48 to 60 or so, 63, the ones that are the barbers, hairdressers, landscapers, anybody who stood on their legs and feet all day.
752
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:47,000
They couldn't work for years because of joints, joints being riddled down to bone on bone.
753
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,000
So guess who cashed in on that first year?
754
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:57,000
All like the 45 to 65-year-olds.
755
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:03,000
Well, if I can, if I have a knee replacement, I can mow lawns again.
756
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,000
If I have, you know, I can be a bartender again.
757
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,000
I can, you know, stand on my legs and cut hair all day again.
758
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,000
That was it.
759
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:29,000
And ridiculously, the money that was budgeted for Affordable Care Act recipients for a year was spent within three months.
760
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
I would have told them that.
761
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Why didn't they pay me to sit like at a table and talk about how this was going to, or maybe, I don't know, maybe they didn't want this to work.
762
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
I have no idea.
763
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:51,000
Maybe they should just automatically make it a two-year waiting list and see who's still there at the end of two years.
764
01:35:52,000 --> 01:36:01,000
It's a whole system that's run by insurance companies who shouldn't have say over individual medical decisions.
765
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:10,000
And the whole allopathic medicine has to be questioned, but you're not allowed to question that.
766
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,000
Nothing to see here.
767
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Go away.
768
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:32,000
It's funny, like the vice president did this big interview with the Wall Street Journal that year, and her informant for the Affordable Care Act team, which we were a team of 12,
769
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:43,000
10 nurses, one social worker, me, and one like customer service person.
770
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:51,000
Her prep for her interview with Wall Street Journal was done with customer services.
771
01:36:52,000 --> 01:37:01,000
There was no taking in of information from the nurses' point of view and what they were seeing happening.
772
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:08,000
There was no, nobody invited me to say this is how it's working out.
773
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:17,000
And then I read the Wall Street Journal article and I'm like, this is a crock of crap.
774
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:27,000
See, I was able to sustain my swearing and saying the S word.
775
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,000
So, yeah, it was, it was, wow.
776
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,000
It's tricky.
777
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:45,000
I had a conversation the other night with a nurse that was plugging me into the dialysis machine because they were taking bloods for virology.
778
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,000
And once a month they take virology.
779
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,000
So it was Monday, Monday this week.
780
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:59,000
They take a blood sample and send it off just to make sure you haven't got any, any nasty viruses.
781
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:04,000
And she was very, very surprised that I don't believe in viruses.
782
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:10,000
We had this brief conversation about how viruses may not exist.
783
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:19,000
And I was just stating my case that it's like most things can be explained without the need for a virus.
784
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,000
Almost everything can be explained without the need for a virus.
785
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:30,000
So it's just, it's just a way of saying an evil spirit took somebody over and they're possessed.
786
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,000
That's all it is.
787
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,000
It's a catch-all.
788
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,000
Yeah.
789
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:40,000
What's actually called a virus is the shedding product of dead cells.
790
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:48,000
But if you believe the body replaces their cells, the dead cells have to go somewhere.
791
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
But that's what, that's what they call viruses.
792
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,000
But there's no, no proof and no linkage.
793
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
I'm with you.
794
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:03,000
Well, there was no way to explain that to a nurse in three or four minutes.
795
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,000
So I had to do my best with it.
796
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,000
But at least I might have shown a little bit of doubt.
797
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:16,000
And I'm pretty much guaranteed that I'll never, ever get a viral related disease in the rest of my life.
798
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:22,000
Because you can't, you can't have a virus, viral caused disease if you don't believe in viruses.
799
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,000
Right.
800
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,000
Right.
801
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,000
You know, it's sad.
802
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,000
Every time I go to the doctor, I have a sign.
803
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,000
And it says, stop.
804
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:47,000
My choices are based on my own beliefs, values, and information that I've compiled.
805
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:54,000
And when you hold it up in front of them, they're like, okay, I'm not getting anywhere with this girl.
806
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,000
Yeah, I pretty much do that with a condom.
807
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,000
Every day I must do the condom.
808
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Yeah, but you're really nice.
809
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
Like, you know, I let the F-bomb slip out.
810
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,000
You know, I say bad words.
811
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,000
I just, I don't have tolerance for it.
812
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
I take account that they're brainwashed.
813
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:30,000
And that they're being paid and paying their mortgage based on a system that I don't necessarily agree with.
814
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,000
But it is there and it is where it is.
815
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,000
So I've got to make the best of it.
816
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,000
Because I need it at the moment.
817
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,000
It's keeping me alive.
818
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:43,000
I don't want to argue with a system that's keeping me alive, because I'll end up dead.
819
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,000
I don't want my resistance to a system to be the cause of my death.
820
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,000
No, I get it.
821
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:57,000
My mother warned me while she was in the hospital dying.
822
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,000
She was like, I think these people are scared of you.
823
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,000
They're scared of you.
824
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,000
You're terribly scary, Karen.
825
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,000
That's why we call you a magnificence.
826
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,000
Is because, gee, she's really scary.
827
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,000
No.
828
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,000
You're Karen.
829
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,000
You're not scary at all.
830
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,000
I'm like, I'm five foot one.
831
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:33,000
But I guess they know that I know my stuff.
832
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,000
And they don't want to.
833
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,000
I'm like, all right, I'll dial it back.
834
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:48,000
I'm going to send an appreciation basket to the unit to let them know I appreciate the man.
835
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:57,000
When I know something happened or I observed something that happened, every day I reviewed her medical record.
836
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:07,000
And I continued to check in with what her self-determined choice was.
837
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:14,000
She's always been afraid of the feeling of suffocating and not breathing.
838
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,000
And she just could not do a terminal wean.
839
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,000
She just couldn't.
840
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,000
She ended up dying from sepsis.
841
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:30,000
But, you know, I am her advocate.
842
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,000
And they always drop something.
843
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,000
I can't even go back there mentally.
844
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,000
Because all it does is get me really.
845
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:51,000
And I think it's better to balance.
846
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Than to try and control, especially something in the past.
847
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,000
That I can't go back and redo.
848
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,000
But, yeah, I'm scary.
849
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,000
I'm going to start introducing you as the terrifying ox wielding coward.
850
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,000
I like that.
851
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,000
And her fierce dog golden wizard.
852
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,000
Yeah, for a little while, maybe.
853
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,000
But.
854
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,000
Axe wielding, I like that.
855
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,000
He's got an axe to grind.
856
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,000
Yeah, very definitely.
857
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,000
Well, there's nothing wrong with chopping down the system when it's necessary.
858
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,000
It is.
859
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:47,000
There is something wrong with chopping down the system, even when necessary.
860
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,000
If you don't have a replacement system, it's not.
861
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:55,000
You got to have something there to catch you when you fall.
862
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:01,000
Well, it's different when you scale out.
863
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,000
And let's say.
864
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:12,000
Like my sister's friend who worked with Medicare at the time at the White House.
865
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:18,000
And she's looking at all of the things going on.
866
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,000
From that point of view.
867
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,000
But when you're standing up for someone you love.
868
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,000
And you have an entire history with.
869
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:37,000
And you're taking the job seriously of upholding their wishes.
870
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:47,000
You know, what's happening at the macro level doesn't have any kind of meaning.
871
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,000
I don't know.
872
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,000
What do you guys think?
873
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,000
Yeah.
874
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,000
It becomes a situation where you're dealing with the person in front of you.
875
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,000
And that's whatever limited parts of the situation you can control.
876
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,000
So there might be one or two things you could control.
877
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:10,000
But it's probably like in the health care system here.
878
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:15,000
When I was sick, everybody was doing stuff on autopilot.
879
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,000
It's like the system was there to keep me alive.
880
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:21,000
And keep me moving.
881
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,000
And a couple of weeks before I asked them for a stick.
882
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,000
When I realized that I couldn't get out of bed.
883
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,000
And stand up without falling over.
884
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,000
But they got me a stick within about 10 seconds.
885
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,000
They just needed me to ask for it.
886
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:45,000
How do you know to ask for it if you've never been in that situation before?
887
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,000
That's why it took me a couple of weeks to say I couldn't get out of bed.
888
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
Because I couldn't support my own weight.
889
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000
And that's what's dangerous.
890
01:45:54,000 --> 01:46:01,000
Because it only takes three days in bed to develop generalized weakness.
891
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,000
And you stay much longer in bed.
892
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:13,000
You potentially can lose your complete ability to mobilize.
893
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,000
I'm not kidding.
894
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,000
I learned this from physical therapists that I work with.
895
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,000
I was like, wow, that's amazing.
896
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,000
I never knew that.
897
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:30,000
It took me about a week to just get used to the idea that I was so sick.
898
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,000
I couldn't eat.
899
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,000
I couldn't walk.
900
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,000
Couldn't really do anything.
901
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,000
The nurses were taking me to the toilet.
902
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,000
And bringing me back in a wheelchair.
903
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:46,000
That's why you need a scary axe-wielding parent to be your advocate.
904
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,000
They asked me if I wanted a social worker.
905
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,000
And I said yes.
906
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:57,000
Because somebody had said to me, if you say no when they ask you if you want something,
907
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,000
you'll never be asked again.
908
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,000
So I was just saying yes to everything.
909
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,000
On principle that I could say no later on if I decided against it.
910
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,000
But I didn't actually have any agency.
911
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:13,000
I wasn't able to really make my own decisions at that point.
912
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,000
But the system was making decisions for me.
913
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:24,000
Making assumptions about just assuming that I wanted to still keep going and all that.
914
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,000
Which I did.
915
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:31,000
So it was a good set of assumptions for that particular part of the illness.
916
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:38,000
But then it was up to me to decide that I wanted to walk after a couple of weeks.
917
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,000
I thought, well, I don't want to be in bed for the rest of my life.
918
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,000
And I was walking three weeks, three or four weeks ago.
919
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,000
Not very well, but I was walking a little bit.
920
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,000
And I can do it again.
921
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:56,000
So it's either get a Zimmer frame or get a stick.
922
01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:04,000
And I decided on the stick because you can just set it down and not worry about it.
923
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:08,000
But yeah, the system, it's a strange thing.
924
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,000
That's the first time I've had to deal with the medical system in that kind of way.
925
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,000
I've never visited, as I said, I've never visited doctors.
926
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:21,000
I've never been really been sick until my kidneys failed.
927
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:22,000
So it was a shock.
928
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,000
It was a lot of shock value for me.
929
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:36,000
It's like you're lying on a trolley in the corridor for four hours while somebody's looking at you and asking you what's going on.
930
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,000
And then eventually they find a side room for you.
931
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,000
And somebody comes in and asks you some proper questions.
932
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,000
And then they start moving.
933
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:50,000
But it took about five or six hours to get me to the side room to get the questions asked.
934
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,000
And then they moved me to a different hospital and started putting tubes in me.
935
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,000
And then once they put the tubes in me, I was on dialysis within an hour.
936
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,000
So once it kicks in, it kicks in properly.
937
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:07,000
But it takes a little while to get moving because they don't know who you are.
938
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,000
They need to get you.
939
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:12,000
They need to find out who you are and what's going on before they do anything.
940
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,000
And that's what takes the time.
941
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,000
And there's a lot of other people on trolleys in the corridor.
942
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,000
That's the way it works over here, anyway.
943
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,000
And we're coming up to the end of the show.
944
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:30,000
So, Karen, do you want to plug your show on Sundays?
945
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:36,000
On Sundays, 12 noon Eastern Standard Time.
946
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,000
1 pm Eastern Standard Time.
947
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:42,000
Applied Calm.
948
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,000
And Mr. Chaos.
949
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:49,000
Such as all of which we've discussed today.
950
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:57,000
Finding Wings to Balance in the Storm.
951
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,000
Studio A, by the way.
952
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:06,000
Studio A is a good place to be.
953
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,000
And Lenny, do you want to plug Mines again?
954
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,000
Or have you got something else you want to plug?
955
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:17,000
Yeah, people can find me on Mines.
956
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:25,000
Mines has turned into a strange place of different politics.
957
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:32,000
And so I'm not overwhelmingly fond of that as a landing space.
958
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:37,000
Because, gee, some of it's offensive.
959
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:43,000
But it's one of those things where the stuff I put up is not offensive.
960
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:52,000
And for the time being, I think that's the best place to send people to.
961
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:56,000
Or if you know me on Discord, you can find me there.
962
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,000
Okay, awesome.
963
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:03,000
And I've got a website set up now with a contact form on it.
964
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,000
So you can find me at DennisBarker.com.
965
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,000
Or on Twitter, Dennis Barker.
966
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,000
On Discord, Open Philosopher.
967
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,000
Where else am I?
968
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,000
That's pretty much it for the time being.
969
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,000
You'll find me on WhatsApp as well.
970
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:28,000
But you need to know my phone number for that one.
971
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:32,000
But you'll find me, if you look for me online, you'll find me.
972
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,000
And we're here every Thursday.
973
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,000
At 12 noon Eastern for two hours.
974
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,000
And it's been another good show.
975
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,000
So thanks to both of you for coming in.
976
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,000
I appreciate your company and your time.
977
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Thanks for everybody that tuned in to listen.
978
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,000
We really appreciate it.
979
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
Yeah, we've got bumpers coming up.
980
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
So we're going to say goodbye for now.
981
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000
And we'll see you again next week.
982
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:05,000
Yeah, if you don't make me mad first.
983
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,000
Ha ha ha!
984
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,000
Joke!
985
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,000
Yeah, I know.
986
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:16,000
There we go, there's the bumpers kicking in now.
987
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:41,000
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988
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:14,000
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1013
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1014
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