FKN Classics Double Feature! Austin Wade Picard - Programmed Killers | Rey Hernandez - NHI Contact

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Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
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want to welcome Austin Wade-Picard. He is an independent researcher
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and host of the Underclass podcast.
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Austin, welcome.
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How you doing?
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All is well, brother.
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It's nice to officially get to sit down with you
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and have a conversation, honestly, and get to meet you
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as well because I've been, I've at least seen your
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work from far for quite some time, you.
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Know, so.
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I'm very much aware of you and appreciate what you do.
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And the line of interest that you are kind of
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in is very much the similar path that I'm following
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as far as just, you know, seemingly finding ourselves within
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the framework of this oversaturated landscape of psychological warfare and
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mind control techniques. It seemed to just entirely disrupt, you know,
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I think by design, obviously, but entirely disrupt this sort
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of the cultural framework as it is intended to deceive,
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I think, each individual as far as the average person.
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We're intended to fall into the trap. And it's a
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preordained outcome in many ways. And I think that it's
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up to to the very least, people like us who
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are willing to reject the current power paradigm and dig
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a little further below the surface, what inevitably results is
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we catch a glimpse of this, right? This international kind of,
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it's an octopus, right? The octopus of global control, maybe
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as far as Charlie Robinson put it in those terms.
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I love that book, but I think it's a great
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way to describe, you know, the tentacles just reaching out
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internationally all over the world, disrupting global society, you know,
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in every facet.
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100%, man.
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And that's really a great intro to what we're going
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to talk about. The longer you spend trying to understand
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the mechanics of culture creation and the layers of influence,
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psychological operations, and the all-encompassing web of control, like you
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were just saying … through three-letter agencies, secret societies, organized crime, politics,
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and at times all the way down to your local officials,
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sheriff's office, education board. So the tentacles go deep. And
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today we're going to learn more about these clandestine groups
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and operations. And like I was telling you earlier, you've
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done some amazing work uncovering history and some of the
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groups involved. But before we get into that, this is
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your first time on. Tell us just a little bit
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more about yourself, what got you involved with this, and
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let the audience know where they can find you.
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Awesome, man. Thank you.
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Yeah, basically, I felt....
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First of all, my name's Austin Picard, and I started
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the Underclass podcast in April of 2023, so very much
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still in its infancy, you know, in my mind. But.
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I felt as if, one, I was kind of in
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this position where I felt entirely isolated and alone with
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my ideas. And that was kind of a lifestyle I
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could no longer... I wanted to surround myself more with
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people who are practicing their real ethical principles that they've
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outlined personally and understand and have defined and are pursuing
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something passionate and worthwhile.
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And also.
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that very obvious common thread in terms of feeling entirely
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unrepresented and demoralized and disenfranchised by the system as it
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is currently structured. And that in itself, with the two-party
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delusion playing out and manipulating the minds of of the
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average person who falls into the tribalist collectivist mentality, which
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seems to me to be this very much a poison pill.
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That's what drove me to start the underclass was that
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I just, I was witnessing kind of like the destruction
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and destabilization of my own family, you know, and, and,
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and seeing the infiltration of the family dynamic and the
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disruption of that very dynamic by design as well. And,
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and yeah, I couldn't stomach it. this remaining silent and
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also not pursuing the path that I was already on.
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I just was essentially pacing around in the front room,
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vomiting all this information at my wife. And she's like,
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do something with this. Right.
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Which she's not wrong. And I love her for that.
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But yeah.
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Anyway, so that's effectively how I, how I kind of
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started the show and, And I'm originally from Northwest Arkansas, right?
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Grew up in a very small rural community. And I
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very much appreciate that foundation, you know, in many ways
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now and much more than I did as a.
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Child, obviously.
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But it's kind of interesting how you're a prisoner of
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your own experience and you reject what you know. And
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so many of us kind of fall into that path.
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And And I just, I wanted to experience the big city.
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I wanted to experience the exact opposite of what I knew.
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And little did I know, right? There are, let's say,
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there are good things and bad things about every different
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lifestyle and sort of, you know, let's say, I very
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much desire to move back to the small rural community though.
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That is what I will say, right? Because I'm out
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in Los Angeles at this point and there are upsides
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and I appreciate some of them. And, but at the
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end of the day, it's like, I, it's not a
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place I'll, I want to raise my children. You know, it's,
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it's not at all, uh, uh, it's spiritually hollow. Uh,
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there's no, and also it's very, I mean, there's a
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lot more threats that are at least in my mind,
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there are many more threats to face in this environment
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than if I had a more controlled environment, you know, obviously.
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And then other than that, property rights, I just very
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much appreciate the concept and want to, you know, uphold
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and embrace that lifestyle as well. Because again, it's like, man,
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growing up on a 35 acre farm and moving to a.
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Big city sucks, right?
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Like I never in my life, after we move again,
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My number one goal is not to have neighbors that
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are within visual distance.
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You know what I mean? But anyway, so that's kind
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of how I got here.
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But I think philosophically, I also witnessed kind of like,
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you know, I definitely saw this kind of like hijacking
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of an ideological subversion playing out as well. in many
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different ways, not just political ideology, but spiritual terms, you know,
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where you're talking like infiltrating organized religion and leveraging it
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and exploiting it in many ways by misinterpretations and manufactured
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false prophecies, I think falling within right. The current structured
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paradigm of the state, how they utilize that to their benefit.
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Like I was discovering all of that. And I really just,
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I couldn't even, it obviously at the beginning, like most people,
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all you want to do is wake up the next
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person and save everyone. And it's like, it's an impossible
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task and you'll just lose your damn mind. And beyond that,
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you're going to ruin many different relationships because you're forcing
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the issue, you know? And I kind of like experienced
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that as well, as much as people need to hear it.
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It's also like, you know, I'm realizing that people come to,
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They have to basically be introduced to these ideas on
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their own terms, you know, and otherwise they won't be
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as willing to embrace or accept this or even consider
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and conceptualize it. And they'll usually blame you for forcing
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them to question their paradigm.
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Right.
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And that's typically what takes place. And I experienced that
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as well. And I just thought. At a certain point, right,
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when you become comfortable enough in the information that you've
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accumulated over time, you realize that that's not the role
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to play.
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You know, this weird God complex. You know what I mean?
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And in reality, you know, it really just matters, I think,
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to try and live your life by those principles. And hopefully,
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by example, you might influence others along that path. But,
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you know, until they're receptive and willing, those conversations aren't
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very much worth having, you know, and that's another thing
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I realized. So I'm trying to find people to have
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worthwhile conversations with. Like, that's what it ultimately resulted in.
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And here we are, buddy.
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Very similar journey to mine and many others in this
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space as well. You can't really open anyone's eyes unless
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they are willing and ready to see some of these
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things for themselves. That's why we do what we do.
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We put it out there, and it's for those that
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are ready to... receive and hear the information but once
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you start to hear it there's no going back once
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you start to see how the sausage is made you
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can't go back to just eating it mindlessly and being
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happy about what you're putting in your mouth but When
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we look at the situation we're in right now, there's
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obviously been many stepping stones along the way. There's been
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high-impact events, psychological operations, wars. And we can look back
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to World War II and the era that followed that
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and see this major degradation in morality and extreme changes
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in humanity as far as Spirituality, morality, politics, the entire
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direction that we were headed seems to have been shifted
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at a very rapid pace by these very powerful operations.
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Is that the time period that you'd really look at
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to focus on where we can say this is where
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this major change started to occur in this infiltration period?
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started to make itself known?
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Yeah, I definitely think that.
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Really Operation Gladio and the strategy of tension post-World War
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II was a huge prominent factor in kind of helping
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with the facilitation of this international intelligence apparatus that I
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think is really what has staged this, in many ways,
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it's really created and implemented an infrastructure a clandestine infrastructure
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that is global in scope. And seemingly it is what
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consists of what we would consider today as the deep
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state in my mind. And I think that when you
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see how the CIA was founded and the timeframe of
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it all, and reading like Paul Williams' book, The Unholy Alliance, right?
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Where the Vatican, the CIA and the mob essentially intersect.
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And it's basically even.
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I mean, it almost looked as if, I've also.
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Heard it put in these terms as well, as far
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as Gladio, really the CIA was formed to facilitate and
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really their ultimate priority was to facilitate the Gladio network
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and the Nazi rat lines as well, which is a
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huge factor involved in that, right?
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Maybe we should break down what Gladio is because I'm
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sure my audience is familiar with it. A lot of
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people just think network of global assassins, but it's really
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much more than that. Tell us a little bit more
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in depth about what Gladio at first was meant to
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be and what it is now.
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Well, really, Operation Gladio was effectively like a strategy of tension,
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as I mentioned, right, which was very much like the
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main point being they wanted to create these stay-behind networks, essentially, right?
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Which would then, ultimately, the stay-behind networks would be utilized
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and exploited and leveraged to then create this environment of
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destabilization within the context of these various, let's say they
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had Italian Gladio, French Gladio. The term itself comes from
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an Italian, I believe it's an Italian sword, is what
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Gladio's reference was actually referencing in the first place. But yeah,
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it was all in terms of providing a clandestine intelligence
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tool that could be utilized to create this strategy of tension.
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And also what would happen is in many ways, we're
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talking psychological warfare, At first, the entire justification for this
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was the Soviet threat, right? And so we had to
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essentially defend and protect ourselves from the impending imminent Soviet threat.
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And so all over the world, we had to leave
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these stay-behind networks post-World War II to maintain a foothold
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of some sort of hegemony dominance in the area. And again,
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also utilize this clandestine structure to topple governments, regime change operations, right?
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And not even only regime change operations, but mass shootings, bombings,
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you know, and that's all a part of the destabilization environment.
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And so I think that when you realize that it's
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all these NATO member countries, right, that are entirely involved
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with the Gladio network, I think that it starts to
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make a lot more sense, especially considering it's very well
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and over-represented in many of the countries that, uh, as,
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as far as, um, witnessing the rat lines and, and
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where you see these Nazi safe havens kind of take, uh, uh,
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just kind of form and, uh, and, uh, entrench themselves
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like a Colonia Dignidad in Chile, right. Which was very
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much utilized, um, which that's a Nazi SS member, Paul Schaefer,
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who's a legitimate pedophile, uh, ran out of, uh, you know, and, and, uh,
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and then he, he just, props up in Colonia Dignidad
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and creates this safe haven with, with the razor wire
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fence perimeter and tunnel systems. And, and, uh, apparently they had, uh,
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files on the JFK assassination and, and, uh, and yeah,
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they were, uh, I guess they, they, uh, had a
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airstrip right where, uh, Mengele apparently even stayed in Colonia
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Dignidad for, for a time, Joseph Mengele. And it's a
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crazy story because, uh, Paul Schaeffer had all these young
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boys around him that, you know, he was clearly, you know,
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sexually abusing, but he was also performing these sophisticated mind
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control techniques on the children as well. And then they
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had this very strange dynamic in the group where all
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of them were only allowed to speak German.
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You can still look at this.
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There's still a town or I mean, there's still a
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footprint of of Colonia Dignidad in Chile. They just changed
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the name of it. And I'm trying to remember now
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what the hell the name is now, but it's... Ah, shit.
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I'll pull it up in a second. But anyway, it
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doesn't matter. The main point being is that obviously you
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had this weird safe haven in the middle of South
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America where you have essentially a Nazi German community that
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what was described as was that All of the architecture
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was essentially from.
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Like 1940s Germany.
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They would wear the exact same clothing and garb as
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1940s Germany. And it was like a time warp. They
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said going into Colonia Dignidad was like going back in
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time into the Nazi Reich. And so that all just
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like blew me away. And also, Colonia Dignidad, apparently a
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lot of So whenever Pinochet and the regime change operation
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happened with the CIA, they were utilizing Colonia Dignidad for
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torture techniques on all of these military men who were
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effectively on the wrong side. And so they would essentially
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be tortured and murdered at Colonia Dignidad. And there were
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like mass graves and all of these militants would be
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taken out and just shot and assassinated and executed. And
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so it was very much being utilized as a clandestine
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black site, although it was an active safe haven for
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Nazis who had fled post-World War II. And so, you know,
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the fact that the angel of death, right, Mengele himself
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was supposed to have lived there for.
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A time and flown in and out.
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to traffic weapons and drugs and all of this, which
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isn't why they were apparently They were manufacturing weapons, like
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sophisticated weaponry, at Colonia as well. And that's why they
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had this private airstrip, because they could fly out all
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these weapons and smuggle things in and out of the country,
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unbeknownst to the federal authorities. So it's very interesting when
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you consider the fact that, clearly, And by the way,
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you see the rat lines crop up in the safe
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haven in Montreal as well, in Canada, where the Oak
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Ridge Montreal experiments are happening. And you have the Oak
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Ridge facility and the psychopath machine, right? Where Steve Smith
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was a victim who's just like this hippie kid who's
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trying to trek across Canada and has like a tab
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of LSD in his pocket. And he breaks into a car.
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Because it's freezing cold at night. And he's like, shit, man,
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I got to like sleep and like not die.
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Like that's his ultimate goal at this moment. He breaks
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into a car and then all of a sudden he
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wakes up to the cops.
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Who are like, hey, get out of this car. You're
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obviously in trouble.
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he never even moved the vehicle.
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But instead of, you know, one.
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To be charged with an additional right, which obviously being
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charged with LSD at that time and still it's a
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very heavy consequence. And and so he just dropped the
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tab and said he never had done LSD before. And
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so he was trying to save the tab for him
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and his buddy when they were going to see the beach, apparently.
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And yeah, and then he drops this tab and he's
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in custody and he starts tripping. And yeah, and so
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they think he's out of his damn mind, obviously, and
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utilize this moment to send him to an institution for
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the criminally insane. Where he's then put surrounded by these
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sociopaths serial killers child rapists like uh matthew charles lamb
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is a great great example peter woodcock is another one
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and these guys have incredible stories being sent out on
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a kibbutz uh showing up in rhodesia on the front
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lines yeah and it's like they're sociopathic serial killers who
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were from the oakridge institution but lived on uh um Dr.
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Barker was the main guy who ran the facility, and
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he had a ranch where some of these sociopathic killers
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would live on his ranch with him. And apparently, yeah,
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so the fact of the matter is, and for it
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to be called the psychopath machine is such a perfect description,
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because honestly, what they were doing was seemingly they were
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looking for the specific characteristics of That people would portray.
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As sociopathic. And serial killers. And they would essentially. They
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figured out that. Yes they could create psychopaths. With MKUltra techniques.
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But they also thought. It's a lot more easy. As
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far as it's easier. To actually just identify those characteristics.
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Yeah exactly. And then essentially just.
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Utilize that to your own benefit after you consistently conditioned them.
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And that's effectively what occurred, but they needed test subjects
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and test groups. So they had, okay, what happens when
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we turn a psychopath into a therapist?
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Joint program with Oak Ridge graduates from the MAPS program
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that Barker was running, where then they would graduate to
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another program where he would send them to the female institution,
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the sister institution that was only housed female patients. And
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the graduates from Barker's Oak Ridge facility were all sociopathic
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serial killer rapists were sent to this sister facility and
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then became therapists, patient therapists for the females there who
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were inevitably raped and yeah, sadistically abused. And it's like,
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what happens when you turn a psychopath into a therapist?
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There's an example. And it's a, it's disgusting stuff. Like
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some of the victims explaining what happened to them there.
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And like, it's amazing what, and they were allowing at
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Oak Ridge, they were allowing the patients to order the
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drugs that they were then giving them. So sodium pentothal
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being one of them. Another one was scopolamine. That was
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the main one, right? Where the devil's breath.
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Where they say scopolamine is like it's like apparently utilized
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in this criminal underworld where they they very frequently use it.
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They say that there's a powder form in South America
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that they use all the time.
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And basically what they say is I own you now
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for a brief moment in time. You have no inhibitions
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as far as like you cannot protect or defend yourself.
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And you can say, hey, empty your bank account. And
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if you're on scopolamine, you just do it.
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Right? Yeah.
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This is where it gets so dark and convoluted, and
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a lot of people check out when they hear things
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like this. We have occult ritualism, mind control, dark neuroscience
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applied in these operations, and you put it all together,
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and you're creating assassins, splitting people's personalities, and... having these
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remote abilities to control people. It's absolutely insane, but it's
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was absolutely happening as well.
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Absolutely brother.
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And you know, that reminds me there's actually, um, when I, uh,
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when I did the James Holmes episode, right on, uh,
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I covered the Dark Knight Cinema shooting, right? The Aurora,
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Colorado shooting that occurred there. And man, I found this
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crazy quote from this woman, Lynn Hersha, who co-authored a
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book with her sister. And it was given the title,
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Secret Weapons, How Two Sisters Were Brainwashed to Kill for
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Their Country. And she says, what angers me is the
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loss of control. At any moment, someone could come to me,
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be dressed the right way, use the right code, and
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I no longer have free will. I will do anything
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that person requests. I hate them for that. Nothing else
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is as bad as knowing that I am always out
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of control, knowing that I am still a laboratory experiment,
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a puppet whose strings are hidden from everyone but my handlers,
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and I don't know yet how.
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To break free. Haha.
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Like that alone is, it blew me away when I
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discovered that because, again, it's like we're talking about modern
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mentoring candidates as well. Like this isn't something that has,
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in my mind, MKUltra, okay, obviously was driven underground post
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the church committee hearings because essentially what had happened there
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was it was false transparency and they needed plausible deniability
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cutouts within the private sector. And so they utilized this
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brief opportunity. To just honestly create, now there are obviously
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naturally occurring occult organizations, right? But the state and the
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intelligence apparatus went out of their way to, out of
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whole cloth, create certain occult organizations as well to kind
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of benefit within this structure of plausible deniability practices. And
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I think Jonestown is one of the best examples of
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an alleged cult, right? Doomsday cult that is clearly just an,
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it's really just an inevitable consequence of MKUltra going underground.
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And that's what, I remember there was a paper that
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a Berkeley professor sent called The Penal Colony. And he
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sent it to, it was William Holsinger, who is Congressman
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Leo Ryan's aide. Congressman Leo Ryan was like a radical.
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Congressman, man.
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Like that dude was investigating MKUltra at such a real level.
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Like we don't have congressmen like this anymore. It doesn't
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exist because this guy was like, he was going undercover
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as a prisoner in the California prison complex to see
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how they're treating prisoners at the time. And yeah, so
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it's like crazy what he was actually doing at that time.
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But he was also, just straight up showing up at
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Langley and saying, show me the files. Like he, he
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was one of those guys who was a thorn in
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the side of the agency at the time. And essentially he,
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he showed up in Patty Hearst trial saying.
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Hey, MK ultra guys.
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She, she was entirely mind controlled through the Vacaville prison
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complex where by the way, Charles Manson was at, you know,
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attended that institution in the early fifties and Patty Hearst,
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got caught up in that pipeline that was set up.
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So there's a Phoenix project operative named Colston Westbrook, who,
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by the way, was affiliated with the black site in Guyana,
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which was originally a CIA clandestine black site to train
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Angolan rebels. And that was before it inevitably became the
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People's Temple Agricultural Project in the middle of Guyana.
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Isn't that insane? That was Jonestown.
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So Colston Westbrook, he helped train up Angolan rebels as
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a Phoenix Project operative on that very black site that
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became Jonestown. And then he just so happened to be
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brought back from his Phoenix Project operation to when Operation.
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Chaos was going.
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It was basically this hyper operational phase of chaos itself,
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which was really just. COINTELPRO in a way, but in,
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I think, a wider scope. And so it's very interesting
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because he's brought back to inevitably set up this pipeline
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while posing as a Berkeley professor, a professor at UC Berkeley.
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We're talking CIA, overt operative, posing as a professor at
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UC Berkeley, setting up a pipeline directly to the Vacaville institution.
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Oh, did I have a fly on my glass? Anyway.
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Setting up a pipeline to the Vacaville Institution where Donald St.
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Hugh de Vries was being apparently experimented on using mind
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control techniques.
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Right.
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And so he was being essentially gifted the process that
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Charles Manson was as far as this strange ability to
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to utilize a mind control kind of. a patsy cutout
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that you can essentially hang out to dry at the
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end of the operation. And that's typically what happens. And
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I think that that was very much what Donald C.Q.
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DeFreeze and the role that he played within the Patty
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Hearst connection, because Holston Westbrook sets this up. And then
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guess what? Patty Hearst caught up in the pipeline, is
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visiting Donald C.Q. DeFreeze long before he would be released
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or break out of prison. When they had a policy
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of just letting out these assets, they would just let
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them out and act as if they escaped prison. And
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this happened multiple times at Vacaville. People are just escaping
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all the time, winding up in Texas, committing a mass shooting.
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And so I'm just saying, when you realize how involved
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the California prison system was with implementing... sophisticated mind control
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operations and experiments on the prisoner victims is what they
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really became. But yeah, so you just had straight up
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CIA operatives posing as prisoner guards and things of that
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nature when they're really just using and leveraging the institution
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for MKUltra operations. And so Congressman Leo Ryan himself went
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to Vacaville Right. He was probing that facility as well,
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attempting to get MKUltra documents, claiming it was an MKUltra facility.
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It's now since been proven to be. And so it's
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so fascinating because he's probing the Vacaville prison institution. And
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then he's also being basically what had happened is that
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you had concerned relatives. A concerned relatives committee was formed
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regarding the Jonestown victims.
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Right.
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And this was before the mass suicide happened or the
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mass death. But yeah, it's very interesting because he was
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approached by this committee, but it seems as if he
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was lured down strategically by the CIA to rid themselves
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of this thorn in their side who would not stop
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investigating MKUltra and tracking and tracing these institutions that were
484
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heavily involved and implicated. And then all of a sudden
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he gets lured down to Guyana and he gets... he
486
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was the priority targeted assassination on Port Cayuma airstrip, right.
487
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Where he's trying to actually help get some of the
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victims out of there. And, and, uh, and people are
489
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passing him note, a note, uh, clandestinely and saying, uh,
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help get us out of Jonestown basically.
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Wow.
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And then, uh, and then, yeah, a mind controlled, uh,
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Manchurian candidates, uh, allegedly, uh, it's what it seems to
494
00:32:46.890 --> 00:32:49.289
have been as far as the perpetrator who, who, uh,
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who went down with the Red Brigade, her right to
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Port Cayuma airstrip, which there was an armed security force
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at Jonestown and it was called the Red Brigade. And
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I think Jim Jones might've even had a, there's a
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lot of evidence that potentially claims that he also was
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very much experimented on and even had a Manchurian code name,
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which I found very interesting. So, makes sense because from
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what I'm reading now, there are a lot of the
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special forces operatives and just mind-controlled subjects in the first place.
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It seems as if, but definitely with Delta Force and
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the Green Berets, there's a lot of the Green Berets
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00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:41.519
who allegedly, going into special forces, were forced to go
507
00:33:41.619 --> 00:33:46.599
through some of these sophisticated mind-control techniques. And so, Many
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of them have been considered to be a part of
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this group of sleepers who were then programmed with this
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inevitable goal of what they would pursue and attempt to achieve,
511
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let's say. And I've even seen, let's say that I
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was just researching more of a footprint involved in CIA
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mind control.
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In regard to WACO.
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And I had no idea that there was a connection there,
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but there's legitimately a tangible connection to investigating Waco through
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this alternative theory scope and perspective of a covert black
518
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site that had been functional for the intelligence community since
519
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post-World War II. And that effectively there were six sleepers
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00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:39.719
programmed within David Koresh's inner circle, including David Koresh himself, apparently.
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Yeah.
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And that is why they were so apparently capable of
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conditioning and controlling the minds of the Branch Davidians at
524
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the time as well. But also, it's this individual named
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00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:55.320
Gunther Rusbacher.
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That's his name.
527
00:34:57.219 --> 00:35:00.820
This guy, he claims to have been a covert CIA
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operative who was a part of the October Surprise scandal.
529
00:35:06.389 --> 00:35:09.980
which exposed Iran-Contra, and George Bush Sr. was a part,
530
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.260
William Casey was involved, the CIA. It's just fascinating stuff.
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But he claims that he was the pilot who flew
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George Bush Sr. back, well, first to and then back
533
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.550
from the visit and meeting in Paris for the hostage negotiation,
534
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hostage crisis, to make sure that the hostages, you know,
535
00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:34.380
that they extended access Until after the election, right? So
536
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:40.239
they could essentially get him in office, right? Effectively was
537
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:44.219
the entire goal. But still, so he comes back. Members
538
00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:50.590
of his clandestine operational team are essentially blowing the whistle.
539
00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:54.429
And then people are dying, right and left, because this
540
00:35:55.289 --> 00:35:59.230
October surprise task force is now vetting and investigating what
541
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actually occurred with the hostage crisis. this guy named Paul Wilcher, right?
542
00:36:06.449 --> 00:36:13.139
He inevitably becomes an attorney for these CIA operatives, right?
543
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:18.460
But of course, there's a very strange death that occurs
544
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in regard to this as well. And Paul Wilcher is
545
00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:23.719
the one who dies just after presenting all the evidence
546
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.159
to the October Surprise Task Force, which is just insane
547
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:32.260
to me. But again, what he was claiming was that Yeah,
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David Koresh was, he had a CIA background and that
549
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.920
the LMI is where the, I forget the name of
550
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.980
the actual, it's a very interesting institution that definitely has ties,
551
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which I was unaware of until recently, but definitely has
552
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ties when it comes down to it, to mind control, right?
553
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.250
In the MKUltra operation.
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And it was called, this is what it was called,
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the Leadership Management Institute And basically, the claim is that
556
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David Koresh had an extensive CIA background and was a
557
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sleeper who had been subjected to extensive CIA mind control
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00:37:12.929 --> 00:37:16.639
training and programming, and that Waco was a major center
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00:37:16.659 --> 00:37:20.400
for such CIA mind control experimentation and programming, with much
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of this activity occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute,
561
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the LMI in Waco.
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And then he also names... Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo, Utah, Logan, Utah, Boise.
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Idaho, and San Francisco as primary locations for this covert
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operation as well. And that includes, so it kind of
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like implicates the Ted Bundy case as well in many ways,
566
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which is very interesting. And so, and they go on
567
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to claim that basically that is the other, those are
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the other locations of the CIA-sponsored cults.
569
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But what is implicated is the Delta Force. right?
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And because the Delta Force had been present at Waco
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on the last day, the fiery siege, right? And it
572
00:38:07.369 --> 00:38:11.309
was basically an intelligence sharing operation that inevitably took place.
573
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You had a lot of different footprints of foreign intelligence
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being apparently present as well. But yeah, so they were
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present during the final assault, but apparently they sent in
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operatives to kill Koresh and the six other sleepers within
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the Davidians before setting the fires that burned down Mount Carmel. And, uh,
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they had apparently been given a specific drug that wouldn't, uh, allow, uh, the, uh,
579
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cause what they said was basically they, there was a, uh,
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I'm trying to remember the exact term now because there's a,
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there's a specific, um, poison, um, that they had administered
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into the Branch Davidian complex where it was a nerve gas,
583
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a nerve toxin, a nerve agent. And so effectively what
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had happened is that none of the Branch Davidians would
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be able to flee because not only was there this
586
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CS gas, which would be very flammable, but they also,
587
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they had a combination of CS gas and this nerve
588
00:39:13.349 --> 00:39:18.190
toxin that would then apparently cause all the Davidians to
589
00:39:19.349 --> 00:39:23.519
Not be able to they would become paralyzed effectively. And
590
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.570
so they said that they gave a specific pharmaceutical agent
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to the the CIA operations. within the Delta Force who
592
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were sent to go in and actually shoot David Koresh
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point blank. And by the way, they said both Koresh
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and the right hand man, although the inevitable claim is
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00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.789
that they committed suicide, they said that No, it actually
596
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from the way the gunshot like was was administered. It
597
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.280
clearly proves that it was not, you know, at least
598
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it was not in line with.
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A typical suicide.
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Right.
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As far as that was how it was explained. And
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then another fact of the matter is that the gas
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that they used would then burn so hot that all
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the evidence would essentially be disintegrated. And then they also
605
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claimed that they came in and took the front door
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and put it in a U-Haul before anybody could do
607
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.699
anything about it because they wanted to make sure that
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obviously the front door would have unequivocally proven who fired first.
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And the feds still to this day claim they didn't
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shoot first.
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You said the agents that were part of the siege
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were given drugs as well?
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Yeah, they said basically that there were CIA agents. who
614
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had infiltrated the Delta Force team that was sent on
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the final day of the siege when the assault happened.
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Well, at least just the.
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Final assault took place.
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And that right before the fires broke out, they said
619
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that essentially this Gunther Rusbacher, a covert clandestine CIA operative
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with a Navy SEAL team, basically that he's worked alongside
621
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:18.480
and And yeah, they're claiming that, and apparently many other
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00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.760
deaths occurred after this happened as far as within the
623
00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:26.320
Special Forces unit. Same thing with Jonestown, where inevitably all
624
00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:29.489
these Green Berets died who were sent to Jonestown to,
625
00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:33.329
and by the way, Colonel Bo Gritz, Green Beret commander,
626
00:41:34.010 --> 00:41:38.530
sent to Ruby Ridge to negotiate with Randy Weaver because
627
00:41:38.590 --> 00:41:42.150
Randy Weaver was a Green Beret, right, who knew Bo Gritz.
628
00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:48.250
Bo Gritt says that he was told that Jonestown was
629
00:41:48.289 --> 00:41:52.130
just a cleanup, right, from MKUltra, basically, and that they
630
00:41:52.250 --> 00:41:55.070
utilized the reason that the body count just consistently kept
631
00:41:55.170 --> 00:42:00.670
rising was not because the Guyanese medical experts couldn't count,
632
00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:04.630
like the official narrative became, but was because they were
633
00:42:04.690 --> 00:42:10.900
actually tying off loose ends from all these other MKUltra victims. who,
634
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.710
you know, he even mentioned, he said that the Montreal experiments,
635
00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:16.369
he was saying they just took them from Canada and
636
00:42:16.969 --> 00:42:19.989
threw them into the jungle in Guyana and, you know,
637
00:42:20.030 --> 00:42:23.909
just executed them. And the same thing he said was
638
00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:27.530
that he was told by, and specifically a Green Beret
639
00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:31.139
came out and blew the whistle, but remained anonymous. He
640
00:42:31.219 --> 00:42:34.599
used a different name that only his operatives, you know,
641
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:40.119
cooperatives would actually have understood him by. And he claimed
642
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.940
that he was a part of the team who flew
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in on the helicopters to allegedly, what they claim, to
644
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:54.780
save the remaining victims. But in reality, he claims that
645
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:58.690
their orders were to shoot on sight. And that he
646
00:42:58.750 --> 00:43:02.789
specifically said that they shot the remaining survivors before even
647
00:43:02.849 --> 00:43:05.110
landing the helicopter from the helicopter.
648
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Yeah, so.
649
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When you know they already had the body bags waiting
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in Georgetown, they had, you know, same thing happened in Waco. Apparently,
651
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.739
the federal authorities had been tipped off. The body bags
652
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.280
were ready, man. They knew that everyone was going to die, right?
653
00:43:22.340 --> 00:43:25.389
And so it's just like, you don't have that prior
654
00:43:25.449 --> 00:43:30.610
knowledge otherwise. And, you know, there was, I forget, it
655
00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:34.070
was the, what's his name? The CIA operative who was
656
00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:42.510
responsible supposed to be, who was being represented in Oliver
657
00:43:42.550 --> 00:43:47.269
Stone's film, JFK, with that famous scene, Mr. X, right,
658
00:43:47.309 --> 00:43:50.650
where he's explaining how the actual triangulated fire took place
659
00:43:50.730 --> 00:43:54.800
and JFK was assassinated and all the indicators proving that
660
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.460
this was a CIA operation. And so he came out
661
00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:05.119
and he said, yeah, the body bags, the medical facility
662
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.989
that's state-of-the-art, you know, far beyond anything else that was
663
00:44:10.230 --> 00:44:14.389
on Jonestown site. It clearly had been there long before
664
00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:18.920
the People's Temple was formed at that place. But he says, obviously,
665
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that the key indicator proving that there's a CIA footprint,
666
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.480
you know, and very clearly a hidden hand involved was
667
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:30.840
the fact that, yeah, they were tipped off. They had
668
00:44:30.909 --> 00:44:35.389
perfectly orchestrated this. Why was British Black Watch troops, why were.
669
00:44:35.289 --> 00:44:37.360
They Hanging out in that area.
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00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:42.119
Running covert operations. It makes no sense. They were perfectly
671
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:46.219
ready to pounce. And it seems as if. Any of
672
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the stragglers. Who were attempting to flee into the jungle.
673
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Were just executed on spot.
674
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That's absolutely crazy man. The history of these operations. Are
675
00:44:57.269 --> 00:45:01.309
disturbing enough. But if we look at. How it's being
676
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implemented now. I wonder if. Much of what we experienced
677
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:09.940
in the past was beta testing for something much larger,
678
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:14.400
a bigger control system. We can see the effect of
679
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:20.519
pharmaceuticals and our social media content on the younger people,
680
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as well as, like you were saying, the mental state
681
00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:28.800
of a lot of these people that are involved in
682
00:45:29.139 --> 00:45:33.989
mass shootings and things of that nature. There's often pharmaceuticals
683
00:45:34.090 --> 00:45:38.670
involved along with a bit of a nudge from some
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00:45:38.809 --> 00:45:42.110
clandestine group or member of a group that they're talking
685
00:45:42.170 --> 00:45:47.329
with online. There's always evidence of that. But even more
686
00:45:47.389 --> 00:45:52.110
disturbing is what they could have been implementing now. We
687
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look at the events of the past and there was assassinations, bloodshed,
688
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:04.599
these very clandestine, bloody operations. But now we have still
689
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.579
that going on, but there's also this huge level of
690
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.639
theater to where they don't necessarily have to carry out
691
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:18.940
these violent acts or these really high-impact events. They can
692
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.349
have actors portray that something happened. And this is something
693
00:46:23.389 --> 00:46:26.010
that's mixed in with everything, and I'm not saying that
694
00:46:26.170 --> 00:46:29.170
all the high-impact events we experience in our modern age
695
00:46:29.230 --> 00:46:33.190
are theater, but I believe there's a level of theater involved.
696
00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:37.409
And I wanted to get your thoughts on what the
697
00:46:37.489 --> 00:46:42.139
bigger picture is for the direction everything is headed. These
698
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.300
operations seem to be stepping stones, like I said, for
699
00:46:45.340 --> 00:46:49.119
something larger. And my biggest fear right now is that
700
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:54.110
they are going to implement some sort of, ai-based governance
701
00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:58.730
or law enforcement to control everything what do you think.
702
00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:04.789
Oh yeah dystopian path to minority report you know essentially
703
00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:08.630
this pre-crime uh situation that we find ourselves in with
704
00:47:08.670 --> 00:47:13.139
the new newly embraced what was it 500 uh a
705
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.280
billion dollar ai infrastructure i think it was that that
706
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.550
uh uh Larry Ellison and these various individuals are perfectly
707
00:47:20.769 --> 00:47:25.429
involved in, you know, at the very least kind of
708
00:47:25.489 --> 00:47:28.929
laying the groundwork. But far more than that, we're definitely
709
00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:33.039
witnessing the pivot into what I see as the totalitarian
710
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:36.139
technocratic state. I mean, that's what it feels like. And
711
00:47:36.260 --> 00:47:39.880
it seems as if... You see the rise of the
712
00:47:39.940 --> 00:47:43.880
stable coins, which is effectively just the privatized version of
713
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.039
the CBDC, which is an end around in my way,
714
00:47:47.139 --> 00:47:52.659
in my mind to circumvent, you know, like I clearly think.
715
00:47:52.869 --> 00:47:55.190
And honestly, I was reading about how the blockchain was
716
00:47:55.250 --> 00:47:57.909
inherently compromised from day one as well. So it's like,
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00:47:58.429 --> 00:48:01.659
you know, at a certain point. can we actually pursue
718
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.980
some sort of decentralized financial currency?
719
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:06.010
Is that possible?
720
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.320
Because it doesn't seem like it is anymore, you know,
721
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.730
and it's effectively not becoming, or it's becoming to where
722
00:48:11.750 --> 00:48:14.849
it will not be in the future. And when you
723
00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:19.190
know the vision, the dystopian vision is always to eliminate
724
00:48:19.550 --> 00:48:22.809
property rights, right? That's stage, at least one of the
725
00:48:22.849 --> 00:48:26.969
stages that they're hoping to achieve at a certain point.
726
00:48:27.489 --> 00:48:31.710
But either way, we're talking about natural asset corridors, like
727
00:48:31.730 --> 00:48:35.849
the agenda 2030 was real. You know, agenda 21 was real.
728
00:48:35.969 --> 00:48:38.150
Operation lockstep is real.
729
00:48:38.550 --> 00:48:42.250
You know what I mean? The great reset it's happening.
730
00:48:42.809 --> 00:48:45.269
So it's like, I don't care that Klaus Schwab's not the,
731
00:48:45.869 --> 00:48:49.579
the number one head of the world economic forum any longer,
732
00:48:49.659 --> 00:48:53.440
but he clearly has a diabolical influence knowing who his
733
00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:55.019
mentor was, Henry Kissinger.
734
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:56.219
And right.
735
00:48:56.750 --> 00:48:59.630
And all that we do know is that there is
736
00:48:59.650 --> 00:49:05.630
an international structure that is very much in place. And
737
00:49:05.650 --> 00:49:11.480
I think that the facilitation of this structure for this
738
00:49:11.619 --> 00:49:14.639
new world government, which I do believe in those terms.
739
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:17.019
I know people don't like to utilize new world order
740
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.750
and things of that nature, but I'm sorry to tell you. they've,
741
00:49:21.170 --> 00:49:24.369
they coined the term. So when, when they're the ones
742
00:49:24.409 --> 00:49:26.869
who are actually embracing it and telling us what their
743
00:49:26.909 --> 00:49:30.360
vision is and who, who am I to, to reject,
744
00:49:30.889 --> 00:49:33.880
you know, the terms that they're utilizing, uh, to describe
745
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.420
that very vision. And so what I see is that
746
00:49:37.460 --> 00:49:43.480
you mentioned, you know, just not being able to essentially
747
00:49:43.539 --> 00:49:46.159
not being able to trust your own eyes at this point,
748
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:48.420
when it comes to some of these false flags and
749
00:49:48.460 --> 00:49:51.559
manufacture crises and things of that nature, it's the mind
750
00:49:51.619 --> 00:49:55.510
war in the psychology of victory. And, and we are
751
00:49:55.530 --> 00:49:58.530
in this place where we have to understand fourth and
752
00:49:58.570 --> 00:50:03.309
fifth generational warfare, asymmetric warfare, right? How this all plays
753
00:50:03.349 --> 00:50:07.300
in toward to the gradual tiptoe toward totalitarianism, you know,
754
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:12.369
which is if we hit, if, COVID didn't prove anything.
755
00:50:12.650 --> 00:50:14.849
If it proved anything, I should say, it proved that
756
00:50:15.349 --> 00:50:21.070
there's a diabolical tyrant within the vast majority of the
757
00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:24.650
average person. And they're just waiting and willing for you
758
00:50:24.670 --> 00:50:29.510
to trigger that Manchurian within them that has to control
759
00:50:29.570 --> 00:50:33.860
their neighbor. And they just cannot imagine a world where
760
00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:36.920
they don't have a say in your philosophical outlook on life.
761
00:50:37.429 --> 00:50:40.050
And it's like, my God, imagine feeling like that is
762
00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:43.349
your role on the world stage instead of just to
763
00:50:43.469 --> 00:50:46.650
defend and protect your own family and, you know, pursue
764
00:50:46.730 --> 00:50:51.659
principles worthwhile. It's like, you know, the only way, but anyway,
765
00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:56.199
you already know, I view the collectivist nature as a
766
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.800
poison pill. I think it's a trap that's been very
767
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:01.500
well laid and each and every one of us seem
768
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.090
to fall perfectly into that trap so very often.
769
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:05.750
It's like we have to reject.
770
00:51:05.489 --> 00:51:08.349
Our prior programming or something. You know, it's really what
771
00:51:08.369 --> 00:51:11.440
it feels like. And I think through the structure of
772
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.820
the current education system and every facet of life, you know,
773
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.579
Yuri Bezmenov's ideological subversion, if.
774
00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:20.039
He took your fat.
775
00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:22.320
Ass back to the Soviet Union and showed you the
776
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:28.449
concentration camp himself, right, you still wouldn't change your mind.
777
00:51:28.829 --> 00:51:32.710
You know, and it's like that is just like, you know,
778
00:51:33.989 --> 00:51:37.730
it's not a black pill. To to to address the
779
00:51:37.809 --> 00:51:39.869
root causes of some of you.
780
00:51:39.929 --> 00:51:40.130
Right.
781
00:51:40.210 --> 00:51:42.659
And I think that, again, the pivot away from the
782
00:51:42.699 --> 00:51:46.980
black pill is the individual sovereignty. Yeah. You know, the
783
00:51:47.019 --> 00:51:50.539
life worth living, the family dynamic that.
784
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:52.559
Is is crucial to.
785
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:57.159
Yeah. To to just engaging in this.
786
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.260
Life while we're here.
787
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:04.260
This show definitely focuses on the more deeper aspects of everything.
788
00:52:04.769 --> 00:52:07.750
I like to look at the spiritual side of things,
789
00:52:08.289 --> 00:52:10.829
and I'd love to get your thoughts on how much
790
00:52:11.349 --> 00:52:17.269
these groups are truly involved and believe in these occult
791
00:52:17.309 --> 00:52:22.550
practices that they appear to be involved with. But there's
792
00:52:22.789 --> 00:52:25.800
many different schools of thought. Many think that that's just
793
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.440
another layer of theater to gain control, that they are
794
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:32.639
really more atheistic in nature and it's all about power
795
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:34.840
and control and nothing more. And there are others that
796
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:40.610
think it's something much deeper and there are spiritual intelligences
797
00:52:40.730 --> 00:52:46.750
involved and very deeply rooted occult practices that they claim
798
00:52:46.809 --> 00:52:49.150
to bring power to these groups. I'd love to get
799
00:52:49.190 --> 00:52:50.969
your thoughts on what's really happening there.
800
00:52:53.710 --> 00:52:59.940
Yeah, I think that there's definitely, like, you take it
801
00:53:00.019 --> 00:53:04.340
all the way back to the 18th century hellfire clubs and,
802
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:10.960
you know, and this elite strata of, you know, the
803
00:53:11.019 --> 00:53:15.969
bureaucratic oligarchs. Human compromise has been a reality for far
804
00:53:16.030 --> 00:53:18.969
too long, and so has the corruption of the mind
805
00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:25.059
and the psyche, the deliberate deception. But so has sexual
806
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:31.380
abuse as well. And, and, but also sex magic, blood rituals,
807
00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:35.139
these are real things, you know, and, and people legitimately
808
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:38.010
believe in the harnessing of the power that it provides. And,
809
00:53:38.610 --> 00:53:43.449
and that even, even that, that like in the terms
810
00:53:43.489 --> 00:53:46.130
of the son of Sam case with David Berkowitz and
811
00:53:46.329 --> 00:53:49.579
the ultimate evil, right. Maury Terry's book on, on that case. And,
812
00:53:50.659 --> 00:53:54.340
he kind of perfectly provides like this window into the
813
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.699
reality that, yeah, there is a level where I think
814
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:04.050
the intelligence community does utilize it to their own benefit
815
00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:10.690
to create this dynamic of, you know, like very easily
816
00:54:11.190 --> 00:54:14.869
dismissible by, by the average person looking at it at
817
00:54:14.949 --> 00:54:18.150
face value, right? Like if you're introduced to those ideas,
818
00:54:18.210 --> 00:54:20.659
you instantly kind of turn a blind eye to it.
819
00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:22.710
Like, yeah, sure. That's extraordinary.
820
00:54:23.469 --> 00:54:26.090
And, and, and so there is a level, I think
821
00:54:26.110 --> 00:54:31.320
that that's leveraged against us and, and exploited, but I
822
00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:35.300
know that people believe this and practice this at a
823
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.489
real level. Um, But I also do understand that people
824
00:54:39.619 --> 00:54:43.789
that it's an enterprise and that's something that is terrifying and,
825
00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:47.389
you know, something I never wanted to admit. But there
826
00:54:47.449 --> 00:54:50.449
is a larger enterprise at work here. And when you
827
00:54:50.469 --> 00:54:54.900
consider what is most lucrative. Yeah, it gets into a
828
00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:58.000
very dark place where it's not only human trafficking. It's
829
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.000
not only child pornography.
830
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.860
It's, you know, it's snuff films.
831
00:55:03.579 --> 00:55:03.800
Right.
832
00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:08.800
It's ritual blood sacrifice on camera. you know, and like
833
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:15.239
then sold in a pedophile publication and magazine subscription style based,
834
00:55:16.030 --> 00:55:20.010
you know, like the Hermes, the Delta Project advertising in
835
00:55:20.030 --> 00:55:26.449
the Hermes publication, which was the pedophile underground. That connects
836
00:55:26.489 --> 00:55:32.030
John David Norman, who's running this malignant cancerous group that
837
00:55:32.269 --> 00:55:36.150
clearly is disrupting the moral framework of society itself. But
838
00:55:36.489 --> 00:55:39.840
worse than that, You know, they're using the same organization
839
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:44.260
not only to traffic children and other human beings for
840
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.500
various reasons, organ harvesting being one of them as well.
841
00:55:48.019 --> 00:55:51.119
You know, but the fact of the matter is you
842
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.840
have groups and organizations like, you know, the Process Church
843
00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:57.880
of the Final Judgment, right, which I believe is a
844
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:04.280
great example of, yes, I think that there's an intelligence
845
00:56:04.389 --> 00:56:10.159
footprint there. diabolically connecting the organization to, to much of this, um,
846
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:17.079
this sadistic underworld, but there is a true belief system
847
00:56:17.139 --> 00:56:20.840
in place that is definitely practiced within the framework of
848
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.409
the occultism. Uh, yes, it's a lot of Kabbalistic magic and,
849
00:56:25.829 --> 00:56:28.949
and Crowley is Crowley isms that are involved as far
850
00:56:29.010 --> 00:56:33.260
as like, you know, the proclamation of, of, uh, of, um,
851
00:56:33.969 --> 00:56:39.750
essentially facilitating the age of Aquarius and the Aeon of Horus, right?
852
00:56:39.769 --> 00:56:46.760
These strange ancient occult references that become undeniable in terms
853
00:56:46.900 --> 00:56:49.920
of the certain symbolic nature of a lot of how
854
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:50.780
it plays out.
855
00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:51.969
And also, if.
856
00:56:53.570 --> 00:56:56.670
You keep in mind the fact that even with David
857
00:56:56.710 --> 00:56:59.369
Berkowitz on some of the Son of Sam killings, who
858
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:03.070
he claims, obviously, he was involved with most of them,
859
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:07.139
if not all of them, but he only was actually
860
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:11.639
a part of the killings in, I think it was three.
861
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.519
And essentially, he didn't even pull the trigger, right? It
862
00:57:15.579 --> 00:57:19.820
was other individuals involved in the organization, the local chapter
863
00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:22.909
of the Process Church called the Divine 22 Cyples of Hell.
864
00:57:23.489 --> 00:57:27.730
And yeah, and he claims that They were committing blood
865
00:57:27.769 --> 00:57:33.070
ritual sacrifice in Untermyer Park where Detective James Rothstein, who
866
00:57:33.110 --> 00:57:36.090
was put in charge of investigating a lot of this,
867
00:57:36.789 --> 00:57:39.369
he had a criminal informant tip him off to these
868
00:57:39.469 --> 00:57:43.590
mass graves of Alsatian German Shepherd dogs in Untermyer Park,
869
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:45.320
which that.
870
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.989
Is very much, you know, you look at.
871
00:57:49.510 --> 00:57:52.949
How the Nazis would actually, uh, the loyalty tests that
872
00:57:52.969 --> 00:57:57.059
were involved with, they would basically within the SS, they
873
00:57:57.099 --> 00:58:01.909
would give you a German Alsatian German shepherd, right. And, and, uh,
874
00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:04.039
as a puppy and have you raised the puppy. And
875
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.030
then once you get to a certain stage, you have
876
00:58:06.090 --> 00:58:10.190
to kill this dog and it's a loyalty test essentially,
877
00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:13.840
but it's also a way to kind of traumatize you. And, and, uh,
878
00:58:14.230 --> 00:58:18.409
it's definitely trauma-based mind control in, in many ways. And so, uh,
879
00:58:19.070 --> 00:58:23.429
I think understanding that, but also realizing that there is
880
00:58:23.469 --> 00:58:28.409
like a legitimate, you know, if you talk about they
881
00:58:28.449 --> 00:58:30.960
were a lot of the son of Sam killings, they
882
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:32.519
were staged on.
883
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:33.360
A cold holidays.
884
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:34.320
Right.
885
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:41.539
So and also outside of there's a specific nightclub that
886
00:58:41.659 --> 00:58:43.469
one of the murders took place out in front of
887
00:58:43.789 --> 00:58:47.340
and that. the name of the nightclub was a cult,
888
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.519
inherently a cult, right? And had a cult connotations to
889
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.619
it that were directly tied. I'm trying to remember the
890
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:59.389
name of the club because it's ridiculous and it's undeniable
891
00:58:59.429 --> 00:59:03.269
that it has those connections. But that was something I
892
00:59:03.309 --> 00:59:07.769
found fascinating because essentially what he, so David Berkowitz himself
893
00:59:08.829 --> 00:59:12.349
said that there was film going on right as far
894
00:59:12.389 --> 00:59:17.360
as for snuff material sitting outside of where basically during
895
00:59:17.449 --> 00:59:21.500
the killing of Stacy Moskowitz apparently it was filmed by
896
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.260
someone who was hiding in a van which was stationed
897
00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:26.159
right outside of where the killing was going to take
898
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:31.570
place and so Then, you know, he's inevitably asked by
899
00:59:31.630 --> 00:59:36.710
Maury Terry at one point, he's asked about essentially this
900
00:59:36.789 --> 00:59:38.789
cult group that he claims that he was a part of,
901
00:59:38.869 --> 00:59:42.309
and he says Berkowitz stated that the coven he belonged to,
902
00:59:42.769 --> 00:59:46.530
named The Children, was infiltrated by an elite group that
903
00:59:46.590 --> 00:59:49.210
pushed them further into the dark side of what they
904
00:59:49.230 --> 00:59:51.510
were doing in Untermyer, where they were meeting in the
905
00:59:51.570 --> 00:59:55.659
Devil's Cave, this underground structure which has now been filled in.
906
00:59:56.300 --> 00:59:59.980
And you look at the evidence of that place, upside
907
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.690
down crosses, you know, pentagrams on the walls. And this
908
01:00:04.730 --> 01:00:09.010
was where they were committing a lot of these blood sacrifice,
909
01:00:09.050 --> 01:00:11.809
like animal sacrifice was happening a lot in Untermyer, but
910
01:00:12.210 --> 01:00:15.889
kids were going missing too, right? And so that's what
911
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.920
began to happen. And there were biker gangs involved in
912
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.059
running security for their rituals. And I didn't know this,
913
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.480
but this happened in the Atlanta child murders as well.
914
01:00:25.949 --> 01:00:30.110
With allegedly Wayne Williams, right? He's responsible for killing all
915
01:00:30.130 --> 01:00:31.949
those children, acted alone.
916
01:00:31.989 --> 01:00:34.269
Well, this is another layer to this. If you look
917
01:00:34.289 --> 01:00:38.130
at the work of David McGowan and others, the era
918
01:00:38.210 --> 01:00:42.849
of serial killers, 70s, 80s, there seemed to be this
919
01:00:44.150 --> 01:00:48.230
disproportionate number of serial killers that just started appearing out
920
01:00:48.289 --> 01:00:51.090
of nowhere. And the deeper you look into it, they
921
01:00:51.130 --> 01:00:57.039
have military involvement. possibly been some sort of mind control agents.
922
01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:02.599
Dude john wayne gacy john wayne gacy straight up had
923
01:01:02.659 --> 01:01:06.599
like multiple personality disorder wayne williams said he was trained
924
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:08.940
on a cia black site when he was 17 years
925
01:01:09.099 --> 01:01:13.059
old and and it connects to mitch mitch warbell right
926
01:01:13.099 --> 01:01:15.599
this guy who's like involved in every scandal you could
927
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.940
ever imagine uh this insane covert operative And, uh, and this, this, uh,
928
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.440
Wayne Williams says that he was involved as far as
929
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.679
being trained up on this black side outside of, um, uh,
930
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:29.969
outside of Atlanta, I believe is where it was. But
931
01:01:30.489 --> 01:01:33.389
I know that, uh, when you look into Wayne Williams
932
01:01:33.429 --> 01:01:39.690
involvement there. Yeah. He was actually recruiting children for pedophiles
933
01:01:39.730 --> 01:01:43.269
within a larger network and was, and apparently his father
934
01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:47.110
had connections to the, uh, this youth organization, uh, and
935
01:01:47.190 --> 01:01:50.170
had political connections as well. And so did Wayne Williams,
936
01:01:50.210 --> 01:01:54.800
who effectively there was a congressman or a senator, I believe,
937
01:01:54.860 --> 01:01:58.739
who he knew two senators who he was very close with.
938
01:01:58.900 --> 01:02:01.119
And one of them told him that if he ever
939
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:04.380
got caught, he would provide him with a specific attorney
940
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.239
who actually then later on that attorney represented, I believe,
941
01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:13.300
Michael Thevis, who was a child pornography kingpin out of Atlanta.
942
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.210
And so When you come to find out that Wayne
943
01:02:16.269 --> 01:02:21.550
Williams was procuring children using this interesting recruiting tactic where
944
01:02:21.570 --> 01:02:26.219
he claims he's like a talent spotter as a musical
945
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:30.239
promoter and he can make your child a star, right?
946
01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:31.960
And so he had, I forget the name of the
947
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.400
group that he utilized. It was a gross name. It
948
01:02:35.500 --> 01:02:40.159
reminded me of, again, it wasn't like disgusting. It was
949
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.230
more like a cult in nature, but I forget the
950
01:02:42.269 --> 01:02:46.000
name of it. it was almost as if like, you know, not,
951
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:50.599
but you know how like the Delphi murders, I think
952
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.389
that just the Delphi itself was a strategic location that
953
01:02:55.429 --> 01:02:57.949
was chosen due to the Oracle at Delphi and the
954
01:02:58.050 --> 01:03:02.030
various occult connotations there. So that's what I think, you know,
955
01:03:02.389 --> 01:03:05.030
is the reason that he named this group, that he
956
01:03:05.090 --> 01:03:10.260
was really just taking these young children he claimed were musically,
957
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:17.420
you know, talented people to this strange recording studio called Apogee,
958
01:03:17.500 --> 01:03:22.440
or Apogee Apogee, I think. And that was apparently owned
959
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:27.530
by the national pornography kingpin, Michael Davis. And so he's
960
01:03:27.570 --> 01:03:30.690
a front man for the organized crime syndicate, right? These
961
01:03:30.769 --> 01:03:35.289
various mob figures, which again, this provides a perfect reference
962
01:03:35.349 --> 01:03:40.840
point for exactly what was happening with John Wayne Gacy.
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01:03:41.429 --> 01:03:41.630
Right.
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01:03:41.809 --> 01:03:44.050
I think as well, because John Wayne Gacy was tied
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01:03:44.090 --> 01:03:48.559
in directly to the Odyssey Foundation, which the Odyssey Foundation
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01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:53.039
was ran and organized by this convicted pedophile by the
967
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:54.860
name of John David Norman.
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01:03:55.739 --> 01:03:57.340
And John David Norman is.
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01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.909
Man, you look at the Delta Project, which is just
970
01:04:02.550 --> 01:04:06.050
the secondary name for the Odyssey Foundation after John David
971
01:04:06.090 --> 01:04:09.920
Norman went to prison. He just created another cutout. it's
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01:04:09.980 --> 01:04:12.199
the same, it's the same network, but he called it
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01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.860
the Delta project. And that was the one that was, uh,
974
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.429
that was advertising in the Hermes, uh, uh, publication network,
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01:04:21.449 --> 01:04:24.630
which was just a pedophile, uh, magazine for the, you know,
976
01:04:24.650 --> 01:04:28.030
that was covert and a pedophile underground magazine.
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01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:28.269
Yeah.
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01:04:28.289 --> 01:04:32.730
Where subscription model based where basically based on the tier
979
01:04:32.769 --> 01:04:36.269
that you were paying on the subscription model, they would
980
01:04:36.309 --> 01:04:41.400
provide you, with the sexual proclivity that you desired, which
981
01:04:41.739 --> 01:04:45.050
one of the highest rungs on that tier happened to
982
01:04:45.090 --> 01:04:48.550
be human hunting parties at North Fox Island, which is real.
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01:04:48.869 --> 01:04:53.570
And Francis Sheldon is a real perpetrator who inevitably escaped
984
01:04:53.750 --> 01:04:58.650
and went to, I believe, oh shit, what is the
985
01:04:58.690 --> 01:05:03.110
name of, I always forget. But yeah, anyway, it doesn't matter.
986
01:05:03.769 --> 01:05:06.929
The point being is that, yeah, he inevitably escaped to,
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01:05:08.710 --> 01:05:11.590
This area of the world that has very lax age
988
01:05:11.630 --> 01:05:16.519
of consent laws and also is extremely, apparently, even if
989
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:22.619
you're underage and you claim that you were sexually abused,
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01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:27.119
your parent has to go forward and actually pursue charges.
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01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.400
And yeah, no one will actually listen or take you
992
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.070
seriously otherwise. And so apparently that is just how it's structured.
993
01:05:34.409 --> 01:05:39.760
And it's very difficult to prosecute. these child abuse cases apparently.
994
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:44.139
And so anyway, Francis Sheldon, he got out of, he
995
01:05:44.179 --> 01:05:46.159
got out of town and ended up all over the
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01:05:46.219 --> 01:05:49.889
world with pictures of him at child, child care organizations
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01:05:49.949 --> 01:05:52.250
and youth care organizations with children on his lap.
998
01:05:53.289 --> 01:05:53.510
Yeah.
999
01:05:54.230 --> 01:05:56.869
And he had a private, private plane. It was very
1000
01:05:56.909 --> 01:06:00.130
much like Epstein before Epstein in many ways. And this
1001
01:06:00.210 --> 01:06:04.159
guy's never, never even, I mean, he, he died free.
1002
01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:05.139
You know what I mean?
1003
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:09.599
As is the case for too many of these monsters. Now,
1004
01:06:09.619 --> 01:06:13.050
we got a few minutes left. There is so much
1005
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.750
unfolding right now that we need to pay attention to
1006
01:06:15.829 --> 01:06:20.650
and navigate. How do you navigate through everything? And what
1007
01:06:20.690 --> 01:06:23.530
would you tell people who are just waking up to
1008
01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:26.630
this and believe that the system's too big to fail?
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01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:29.280
There's no hope. There's no way out of it. We're
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01:06:29.420 --> 01:06:32.539
all doomed. I don't believe that. I do have hope.
1011
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.380
I think it relies— in our individual lives and what
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01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.179
we are individually bringing to the table. But what do
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01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:39.539
you think?
1014
01:06:41.659 --> 01:06:43.900
Yeah, I would entirely agree with that, man.
1015
01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:47.380
I think that for a time there was a brief
1016
01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:52.260
moment where I felt a little black pill, you know
1017
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:58.010
what I mean? And, uh, but I, I just, I
1018
01:06:58.090 --> 01:07:03.590
knew at a, at a real core level, principally that,
1019
01:07:04.429 --> 01:07:08.570
It's the wrong outlook and the wrong perspective to embrace
1020
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.960
and live your life by. And also, I think that
1021
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:17.960
once you do catch a glimpse at the overall scope
1022
01:07:18.019 --> 01:07:26.760
of this monstrosity, disrupting any sort of real optimistic path
1023
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:31.579
toward a global civilization that is worthwhile, in my mind.
1024
01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:37.159
It's still... it's still, there's beauty everywhere.
1025
01:07:37.940 --> 01:07:39.760
And that is something that I think we need to
1026
01:07:39.940 --> 01:07:43.389
understand and acknowledge on a daily basis. And I think
1027
01:07:43.429 --> 01:07:47.809
the ultimate goal here is to understand that yes, psychopaths
1028
01:07:47.969 --> 01:07:51.349
rule the world at this moment. It is probably a
1029
01:07:51.630 --> 01:07:54.510
dark reality that we should at the very least acknowledge
1030
01:07:54.570 --> 01:07:58.909
and stop worshiping false prophets who are, of course, running
1031
01:07:58.929 --> 01:08:03.760
misdirection in terms of the true power paradigm and trying
1032
01:08:03.820 --> 01:08:07.239
to kind of dissuade us from acknowledging the root cause.
1033
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:08.760
And I think that.
1034
01:08:09.139 --> 01:08:11.760
All we can hope to do that will lead us
1035
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:16.449
into an optimistic future is to address that very root cause,
1036
01:08:16.510 --> 01:08:20.850
is to be honest and reflect on what we got wrong,
1037
01:08:21.350 --> 01:08:25.970
be open-minded and objective enough to not be confined to
1038
01:08:25.989 --> 01:08:31.180
an ideological camp where you're imprisoned by this ideology and
1039
01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:38.149
unable to actually see things outside of those terms in
1040
01:08:38.310 --> 01:08:42.029
regard to the overall picture of global society and where
1041
01:08:42.050 --> 01:08:45.930
we're headed. And I think that I understand why we've
1042
01:08:45.949 --> 01:08:50.689
been conditioned to kind of not ask the questions that
1043
01:08:50.829 --> 01:08:53.989
are very much the questions worth asking. And it's because
1044
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:58.359
they want us consistently arguing over things that don't matter.
1045
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:02.279
And so what, where do we find ourselves? Unable to
1046
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.439
agree upon the fundamental basic facts of life. How are
1047
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:08.560
we even going to move forward in any sort of
1048
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.819
productive way and come to some sort of terms where
1049
01:09:12.859 --> 01:09:19.909
we can have some proactive and optimistic conclusion where we
1050
01:09:19.949 --> 01:09:21.829
can at the very least put ourselves back on a
1051
01:09:21.869 --> 01:09:28.050
path that could inevitably result in.
1052
01:09:28.289 --> 01:09:31.100
More, let's just say.
1053
01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:37.579
It's always the goal is individual sovereignty. But for me personally,
1054
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:41.100
I just think that really what we should be focusing
1055
01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:47.619
and prioritizing is psychologically rejecting Right, the deception, right? The
1056
01:09:47.739 --> 01:09:51.729
very much systematic deception playing out to get us to embrace,
1057
01:09:52.350 --> 01:09:56.189
you know, the power paradigm as is currently structured, which
1058
01:09:56.369 --> 01:09:59.630
in my mind is a deception in itself because obviously
1059
01:09:59.670 --> 01:10:03.329
all we see are political puppets dancing around, you know,
1060
01:10:03.470 --> 01:10:08.329
providing cover for the true agenda playing out and acting
1061
01:10:08.390 --> 01:10:12.329
as if they aren't ultimately on the same side, inevitably,
1062
01:10:12.350 --> 01:10:15.960
you know, pushing us down the same dystopian path. And
1063
01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:19.539
so for me personally, I think what we should always
1064
01:10:19.619 --> 01:10:23.020
focus on is what we can control. And so again,
1065
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:29.090
it's like, you know, I very much appreciate the serenity prayer, right?
1066
01:10:30.010 --> 01:10:32.270
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I
1067
01:10:32.329 --> 01:10:35.609
cannot change, courage to change the things I can and
1068
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.199
the wisdom to know the difference and all that I
1069
01:10:38.260 --> 01:10:39.680
hope for on a daily basis.
1070
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:40.979
And it's become my mantra.
1071
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.439
It's, it's, I pray for my heart to be in
1072
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.819
the right place, my intentions to be pure, and my
1073
01:10:48.859 --> 01:10:52.229
mind to work efficient and effectively as often as possible
1074
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:57.170
because very much doesn't happen occasionally. And I'll find myself
1075
01:10:57.210 --> 01:11:00.510
just reeling. I have a schizophrenic nature where I just,
1076
01:11:00.630 --> 01:11:02.789
one thing leads to the other and it's just like,
1077
01:11:03.329 --> 01:11:04.250
I can't help myself.
1078
01:11:05.770 --> 01:11:07.890
But still, life is good, man.
1079
01:11:08.250 --> 01:11:12.390
And if you surround yourself with people worthwhile, And you
1080
01:11:12.430 --> 01:11:17.750
pursue something that you're passionate about. I think that as well.
1081
01:11:17.829 --> 01:11:24.970
Because you find so many people. They're in this identity crisis.
1082
01:11:25.130 --> 01:11:27.850
They're in the midst of an identity crisis. And that
1083
01:11:27.890 --> 01:11:30.890
makes them very dangerous and vulnerable at the same time.
1084
01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:36.439
And I think when you're running that risk. Remaining psychologically
1085
01:11:36.500 --> 01:11:41.239
vulnerable at that level. These bad ideas can take root.
1086
01:11:41.909 --> 01:11:46.829
they can disrupt your life. They can cause real consequences.
1087
01:11:47.810 --> 01:11:54.579
And man, nothing's worth that when it comes to disrupting
1088
01:11:54.619 --> 01:11:58.239
your own family dynamic and things of that nature. As
1089
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:02.739
I mentioned early in the show, we always need to
1090
01:12:02.779 --> 01:12:05.760
be willing to set these things aside for the people
1091
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:08.619
we love as far as that is concerned in terms
1092
01:12:08.739 --> 01:12:13.590
of political you know, debates and arguments that we have
1093
01:12:13.649 --> 01:12:17.829
to remember and remind ourselves again, what matters most.
1094
01:12:18.430 --> 01:12:18.630
Right.
1095
01:12:18.829 --> 01:12:20.529
And I think that that is something that we should
1096
01:12:20.569 --> 01:12:24.149
always readdress and center ourselves as often as we can. Um,
1097
01:12:25.930 --> 01:12:28.390
and as, and yeah, as long as that is, is
1098
01:12:28.449 --> 01:12:33.329
kind of your, your perspective and framework and outlook on life, you'll,
1099
01:12:33.369 --> 01:12:36.310
you'll typically find yourself in the right place in, in
1100
01:12:36.350 --> 01:12:37.029
regard to, yeah.
1101
01:12:38.670 --> 01:12:38.850
Yeah.
1102
01:12:39.590 --> 01:12:44.069
Make a conscious effort to manufacture some defense mechanism psychologically
1103
01:12:44.109 --> 01:12:46.569
for yourself and your own family so you can hopefully
1104
01:12:46.609 --> 01:12:50.100
protect them and defend against what is out there in
1105
01:12:50.109 --> 01:12:55.420
a realistic way. But other than that, yeah, just make sure,
1106
01:12:55.979 --> 01:13:00.800
control what you can control and pursue a life worth living.
1107
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:01.939
You know what I mean?
1108
01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:05.050
Like that's all we can do, honestly. And all this
1109
01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:08.979
information I think is just, at least granted me the
1110
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:11.560
ability to, to know what is out there to be
1111
01:13:11.619 --> 01:13:14.579
aware of and, and know what to protect my family against.
1112
01:13:14.659 --> 01:13:17.800
That's another thing that, and that's ultimately all I'm concerned
1113
01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:20.619
with at this point. I want to protect what I can,
1114
01:13:20.939 --> 01:13:23.970
people I love, hopefully push them in the right directions.
1115
01:13:25.170 --> 01:13:29.069
And, and beyond that, it is what it is. You
1116
01:13:29.090 --> 01:13:30.090
know what I mean? Like that's.
1117
01:13:30.930 --> 01:13:33.369
That is a great note to end on. And there's
1118
01:13:33.489 --> 01:13:35.760
much more we could discuss. Definitely going to have to
1119
01:13:35.819 --> 01:13:38.369
have you back on in the future. One more time
1120
01:13:38.409 --> 01:13:40.170
before we close out, let the audience know where they
1121
01:13:40.189 --> 01:13:40.890
can find your work.
1122
01:13:42.750 --> 01:13:45.329
Awesome, man. And man, thank you again for having me
1123
01:13:45.409 --> 01:13:45.850
on brother.
1124
01:13:45.930 --> 01:13:49.640
And I apologize once more for just the scheduling conflicts
1125
01:13:49.659 --> 01:13:53.460
that I had playing out, but it never has happened
1126
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.180
at that level though. So I am sorry, but, but
1127
01:13:56.260 --> 01:14:00.680
beyond that, uh, I feel very grateful that, that, uh,
1128
01:14:00.779 --> 01:14:03.470
you gave me this opportunity and, And provided me with
1129
01:14:03.489 --> 01:14:06.550
the platform to have this conversation, which I just think
1130
01:14:06.710 --> 01:14:08.369
these conversations.
1131
01:14:08.010 --> 01:14:10.649
Are what makes my life worth living. I love this.
1132
01:14:10.890 --> 01:14:14.000
And I think, yeah, man, anytime we're working through these
1133
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:20.579
ideas in a way that seems like, you know, it's
1134
01:14:20.619 --> 01:14:24.689
a conversation that is constructive, right? It's like, man, that's
1135
01:14:24.770 --> 01:14:27.890
all I want. I want to be able to pursue
1136
01:14:27.930 --> 01:14:31.810
these objective, constructive conversations with people who are worthwhile.
1137
01:14:31.890 --> 01:14:33.399
And you're one of those people, man. So thank you.
1138
01:14:33.430 --> 01:14:37.100
Thank you, brother. And everybody, of course, man, but everyone
1139
01:14:37.140 --> 01:14:40.659
can find me at the Underclass Podcast and support me
1140
01:14:40.699 --> 01:14:43.420
at the Patreon if anything I've ever said resonates with you.
1141
01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:45.560
And other than that, man, thank you again.
1142
01:14:45.579 --> 01:14:45.800
Awesome.
1143
01:14:45.819 --> 01:14:49.359
We'll have links right in the description. And until next time, everyone,
1144
01:14:49.380 --> 01:14:51.979
have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
1145
01:14:52.689 --> 01:14:53.210
See you then.
1146
01:14:57.149 --> 01:14:59.489
Today I want to welcome back to the show Ray Hernandez.
1147
01:14:59.789 --> 01:15:03.250
He was a PhD candidate at the University of California
1148
01:15:03.390 --> 01:15:06.770
at Berkeley, where he was the recipient of a National
1149
01:15:06.850 --> 01:15:11.640
Science Foundation PhD fellowship. He is currently the director of
1150
01:15:11.739 --> 01:15:17.659
the Consciousness and Contact Research Institute, or CCRI, an academic
1151
01:15:17.739 --> 01:15:23.760
research institute comprised of more than 25 PhD academics, medical doctors,
1152
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.189
and researchers. whose mission is to explore the findings of
1153
01:15:27.289 --> 01:15:34.399
consciousness research and the phenomenology of paranormal experiences. What CCRI
1154
01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:38.239
calls the contact modalities. Ray, welcome back.
1155
01:15:38.300 --> 01:15:38.979
How you doing?
1156
01:15:40.579 --> 01:15:42.220
Thank you for the invitation, Chris.
1157
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.100
Thanks so much for coming back on. Today we're going
1158
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.800
to be talking about your new book, A Greater Reality,
1159
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.920
One Man's Journey of Discovery. It covers your lifetime of
1160
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:56.350
paranormal and metaphysical experiences and I also want to discuss
1161
01:15:56.369 --> 01:16:00.920
a little bit of your work at CCRI and understanding
1162
01:16:01.020 --> 01:16:06.060
the spectrum of paranormal phenomena you've been experiencing and researching.
1163
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.720
But it has been a while since you've been on. First,
1164
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.970
remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let
1165
01:16:12.979 --> 01:16:15.010
them know how they can find out more about you.
1166
01:16:17.609 --> 01:16:23.010
Okay, great. My name is Ray Hernandez. I've just recently retired.
1167
01:16:23.770 --> 01:16:27.380
after working almost 25 years as a tax attorney with
1168
01:16:27.420 --> 01:16:31.619
the U.S. Department of Treasury. Before 2012, I had zero
1169
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:35.760
interest nor knowledge of any of these topics associated with
1170
01:16:35.779 --> 01:16:41.359
the paranormal consciousness, including UFOs. And on that date, on
1171
01:16:41.579 --> 01:16:47.960
March 4, 2012, an energy being jointly appeared to my
1172
01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:51.760
wife and I in our living room and completely healed.
1173
01:16:52.569 --> 01:16:58.149
a 15-year-old Jack Russell Terrier who we were going to
1174
01:16:58.170 --> 01:17:02.989
be euthanizing later that afternoon. And just very, very briefly,
1175
01:17:03.010 --> 01:17:07.529
I'll summarize it. The day before, my wife was praying
1176
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:12.180
all night for a miraculous medical healing from the Virgin Mary.
1177
01:17:12.979 --> 01:17:17.420
And me, being a good atheist, I didn't believe any
1178
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:21.720
of this nonsense. And so that morning at 6 o'clock,
1179
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:25.489
we both woke up. We checked the dog out, and
1180
01:17:25.609 --> 01:17:29.859
she was still totally paralyzed. So she carried her downstairs
1181
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.859
to see if she can go to the bathroom before
1182
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:36.619
we bring her to the vet. And then she then
1183
01:17:36.659 --> 01:17:40.939
started screaming for me to go downstairs. I totally ignored her.
1184
01:17:41.899 --> 01:17:46.359
She then woke me up and hauled me downstairs. She
1185
01:17:46.380 --> 01:17:49.270
wouldn't tell me what it was. And then right in
1186
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:52.729
front of me, she disappeared and the dog disappeared. And
1187
01:17:52.810 --> 01:17:56.569
then what I saw was an energy being, and I'll
1188
01:17:56.590 --> 01:18:01.310
describe it very briefly. We're roughly three feet wide and
1189
01:18:01.369 --> 01:18:04.989
about a foot and a half in height, floating four
1190
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feet off the ground. And it was pure energy, multiple colors.
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And so then my mind was taken over. completely controlled
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by this intelligence. I looked at that object. I waved
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01:18:21.819 --> 01:18:24.500
my hand at it. And I said, this is bullshit.
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01:18:24.979 --> 01:18:26.560
This is what she got me up for, for this crap.
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I'm going back to sleep. And then I walked back upstairs,
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went to bed, and I immediately was put to sleep.
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And then when I woke up an hour later, I
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was now fully conscious. I ran downstairs. Poof. My wife
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reappeared again, and the dog was running around the entire
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living room. And so my wife had an ex-wife, had
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an hour of missing time. And so she drew what
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01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:59.340
she saw, I drew what I saw, etc. And then
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that began, you know, nonstop paranormal experiences for about four years,
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01:19:07.539 --> 01:19:10.520
and then they slowly tapered down And I still get
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01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.239
them once in a while. And these paranormal experiences include
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01:19:15.010 --> 01:19:19.310
me having the ability to call down very large CAPs,
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Consciousness Aerial Phenomena. I don't call them UFOs or UAPs
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01:19:25.310 --> 01:19:29.710
because these are consciousness phenomena. And I'll discuss that later on.
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I've seen other types of beings, more than anything, shadow beings. I.
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Have other precognitive experiences. I've had two near-death related experiences,
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01:19:44.779 --> 01:19:48.970
which gave me spirituality. And then a series of orchestrated events,
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which would be, I would have a better chance of
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winning the mega lottery than to having these things happen
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01:19:59.170 --> 01:20:02.569
one after another. And there were many of these orchestrated events.
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Like synchronicities, you would say?
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I wouldn't, synchronicities is not the proper word for it.
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01:20:08.979 --> 01:20:13.279
That's too much of a simplistic term. And I can
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go into the details, but basically the free foundation was
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01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:21.069
formed over a three-day period after I had an out-of-body
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01:20:21.109 --> 01:20:25.789
experience while I was driving my car. And then it was, boom,
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01:20:26.630 --> 01:20:29.029
Mary Rodwell sends me an email. Boom, I get a
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01:20:29.050 --> 01:20:31.970
phone call from Dr. Rudy Shields. He tells me to
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call up Dr. Edgar Mitchell. I call, give him a
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01:20:35.310 --> 01:20:38.960
call within 48 hours. And then the next day I
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01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.039
was at the home of Dr. Edgar Mitchell. And that
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was where the Free Foundation was formed. So within less
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01:20:45.710 --> 01:20:49.130
than 36 hours, we had the four members of what
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became known as the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free Foundation. So
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that's not a synchronicity. That's an orchestrated event by the
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mind of God.
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01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.779
So let's get deeper into what you mean when you
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say consciousness phenomena. My understanding of the extraterrestrial UFO phenomena
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has changed and evolved and shifted many, many times over
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01:21:14.340 --> 01:21:18.829
the years. And the current understanding I have aligns with
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more of what you're saying is that this is more
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of a non-physical, energetic, non-human intelligence that probably surrounds us
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01:21:28.260 --> 01:21:32.840
at all times just beyond our human perception. possibly an
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ecosystem of intelligences. Would you say that's pretty accurate?
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01:21:39.289 --> 01:21:44.130
Well, what is accurate is that the UFO phenomenon is
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01:21:44.210 --> 01:21:51.050
not a physicalist, materialist phenomenon. Yes, it has the dual
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01:21:51.149 --> 01:21:56.279
aspect of being perceived. That's the word there, perceived as physical.
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01:21:56.819 --> 01:22:02.670
But the overwhelming majority of the UFO contact experiencers have
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01:22:02.750 --> 01:22:06.979
lives that are primarily paranormal lives. And let me go
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01:22:07.060 --> 01:22:11.399
into that detail, okay? First of all, I earlier mentioned
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to you the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free Foundation. After these
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four individuals, the late Apollo 14 astronaut, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Dr.
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Rudy Seals, who was a professor of astrophysics at Harvard
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University for more than 45 years, and.
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Very dear friend of the late Dr. John Mack, and
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Mary Rodwell, who has researched more than 3,500 cases of
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01:22:40.430 --> 01:22:44.710
individuals that have had UFO contact experiences. So we're the
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01:22:44.729 --> 01:22:50.960
co-four founders. And then I proposed to the other three
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co-founders that all of the paranormal phenomenon needs to be
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01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:02.430
studied as one interrelated phenomenon under consciousness. But in order
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to compare apples and apples, oranges and oranges, there was
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lots of data on the NDE phenomenon, lots of data
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on out-of-body and astral travel experiences via the Monroe Institute
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01:23:15.890 --> 01:23:21.189
and the NDE phenomenon. The numerous professors have been documenting
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01:23:21.229 --> 01:23:27.140
and studying the NDE phenomenon. And then with remote viewing
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01:23:28.220 --> 01:23:32.789
that had been studied since 1972, since the Stanford Research Institute.
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And then the topic of communication with the deceased, that's
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01:23:38.340 --> 01:23:42.380
been fully documented since the late 1800s. Many of the
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01:23:42.420 --> 01:23:48.760
individuals that researched this phenomenon were themselves very prominent academic professors.
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01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:51.760
So there's lots of case history, a lot of documented events.
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01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:55.119
But when it came to the UFO contact phenomena, there
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01:23:55.159 --> 01:24:03.970
was zero, nada, academic, statistical research on the phenomenon. What
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01:24:04.010 --> 01:24:09.609
you had was numerous books that were written by these
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hypnotic regression of individuals, and they came from very, very
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01:24:15.670 --> 01:24:21.310
biased individuals. Like, for example, David Jacobs, okay? David Jacobs,
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for many years, over 30 years, been hypnotically regressing a
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small number of people And these were less than 100
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01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:37.119
individuals over 30 years. But he preselected these people. He
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only chose people that have had negative experiences. And Bud Hopkins,
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01:24:42.810 --> 01:24:45.829
the same exact thing. Anyone that had a positive experience,
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01:24:46.210 --> 01:24:51.159
they would be excluded. And I've documented names, very well-known names. Oh,
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01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:53.779
I went to Bud Hopkins. Oh, no, no, I think
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you need to go to see Dr. Leo Sprinkle.
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Why?
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Because his experiences were not negative. So that happened over
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and over and over again. And then these people used
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01:25:05.420 --> 01:25:09.710
leading questions to get them to respond to what they
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01:25:09.750 --> 01:25:14.689
wanted to do. In volume three of our Greater Reality
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01:25:14.729 --> 01:25:18.550
book series, we have an article by the ex-wife of
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01:25:18.590 --> 01:25:22.229
the late Bud Hopkins. And there she goes into detail.
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She has film. She had a website of how these
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two individuals met. Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs basically led
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these people. Like before they're going to be interviewed, this
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woman that had reptilian experiences, David Jacobs would say, oh,
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last week I had a woman that had a reptilian encounter.
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He raped the hell out of her, abused her, slapped
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01:25:43.670 --> 01:25:46.170
her around a little bit. And this is before the
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hypnotic regression. So what the hell do you think is
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01:25:48.609 --> 01:25:51.470
going to be the outcome? And then he's asking leading
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questions in that direction. So that article is in volume
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three of our book, a greater reality. It's a six
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volume book series. And so it's not Ray Hernandez making
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this up. This is the ex-wife who had been married
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to this guy for more than 10 years, filmed almost
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all of these regressions. And she goes into case study,
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case study, case study, case study with examples. Okay. So
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we really had nothing. There was no data collected. So
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what we did is with the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free Foundation,
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01:26:21.949 --> 01:26:26.750
we spent nine months developing the protocols for an academic
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01:26:27.310 --> 01:26:32.750
a comprehensive academic statistical research study of UFO contact experiencers.
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01:26:33.390 --> 01:26:37.210
And when we embarked on that journey, we had over
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01:26:37.210 --> 01:26:41.949
10 PhD academics. So this is, you know, real hardcore academics,
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01:26:42.569 --> 01:26:45.939
mostly retired professors. And we had people that had worked
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01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:49.600
in the UFO contact field researching it. People like, for example,
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Kathleen Martin, Barbara Lamb, Dr. Leo Sprinkle. We had... Rosemary
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Ellen Guiley. We had Mary Rodwell and about three or
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four other well-known names. And so we had the academics
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together with the people who had the boots in the
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01:27:09.699 --> 01:27:13.020
ground and we worked together. How do we do this methodology?
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So we came up with three surveys. Two of them
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were quantitative, comprised of almost 700 questions, and one was qualitative,
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70 open-ended questions. And in the English language survey, we
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01:27:26.390 --> 01:27:28.810
had it in multiple languages, but just in the English
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01:27:28.850 --> 01:27:37.029
language survey, we wound up with 4,350 responses, individuals from
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over 125 countries. So it was a huge database. And
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we even had statisticians, two PSD statisticians that reviewed our
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data and crunched out the numbers. And we even did
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country groupings. And we had the U.S. as one group.
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And then Canada as a separate group. We had the
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UK as a separate group. We had all of Europe
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as a separate group. And then we had Australia and
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New Zealand as a fifth group. And so we looked
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01:28:08.010 --> 01:28:11.529
at how people responded to each of the almost 700 questions.
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They answered with very little difference within a five percentage
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01:28:18.859 --> 01:28:23.380
points deviation of how they responded. So they're responding exactly
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01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:26.220
the same way to each of the questions. So that's
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01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:31.000
a statistical trick analysis that you use to see if
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01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:36.529
the survey was comprehensive and cohesive. And so our survey data,
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I'll just leave it at this after this, pretty much
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01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:48.329
contradicts almost everything circulating in materialist ufology. I.e., these people
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01:28:48.350 --> 01:28:52.229
that go on these lecture circuits, this is the alien agenda.
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01:28:52.890 --> 01:28:57.390
Those people are full of shit. They would talk to
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01:28:57.449 --> 01:29:01.359
people one-on-one, but that's not statistical analysis. You meet people
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01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.399
at a conference, you talk to, you know, five or
1339
01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:07.079
six of them. No, you know, there's a scientific way
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01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:09.470
of doing it and that's how we did it. And
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so I can go over some of those differences later
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01:29:13.430 --> 01:29:15.409
on for you, but let me get back to your
1343
01:29:15.449 --> 01:29:20.090
original questions of consciousness, okay? What we determined, first of all,
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01:29:20.109 --> 01:29:21.689
in order to have taken our survey, you have to
1345
01:29:21.729 --> 01:29:26.880
have seen a UFO, okay? That's number one, okay? Number two,
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01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:30.420
you have to have some type of contact with non-human intelligence.
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01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.189
And the contact doesn't necessarily have to be physical concept.
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You don't have to necessarily see a humanoid being with
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01:29:38.829 --> 01:29:43.289
wings on his back for you to answer the questions. Now,
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01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:48.800
it could have been also telepathic, okay? So that's a
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foundation to be able to take our surveys. What we
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01:29:52.939 --> 01:29:59.890
discovered was that of these individuals, 85% of them had
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01:29:59.970 --> 01:30:06.649
continuous paranormal experiences. Okay? 85%. Now, in terms of the
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01:30:06.729 --> 01:30:14.029
categories of paranormal experiences, 80% had out-of-body experiences. 50% were
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01:30:14.090 --> 01:30:20.149
brought to another multidimensional reality, like I had. Okay? These
1356
01:30:20.170 --> 01:30:27.229
are large numbers. 50% had a miraculous medical healing. Okay?
1357
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In terms of near-death experiences, we're 37%. Seeing orbs, 60%.
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Seeing a dead person, close to 75%. Seeing a ghost
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or a spirit. These are just some examples, but we
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asked over 50 questions, and we even broke down in
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the category. Like for the people that saw orbs, You know,
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what color? What did it do? How long did the
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01:31:00.739 --> 01:31:03.979
orb last? What was the distance of the orb? You know,
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so even within each category, we had numerous sub-questions. And
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then for the people that were brought to a multidimensional reality,
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we had like another 20 sub-questions. You know, did it
1367
01:31:17.539 --> 01:31:20.399
seem real to you? Did it seem perceived very physical
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to you? And it was like the vast majority said, yes,
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01:31:22.750 --> 01:31:25.149
this is very, very real. You know, being brought to
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another multidimensional reality. It seemed very, very physical, but I
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knew it wasn't visible. Okay? It's similar to a near-death experience.
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Okay?
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And so I could go on and on and on.
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And there's other issues I want to bring up. I
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know you have a question.
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Well, I was just going to ask if extreme childhood
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trauma or childhood traumatic experiences was a factor in any
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of the research that you've done.
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Well, a lot of the early researchers stated that. For example, Dr.
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Kenneth Rink. was a professor, now retired professor of psychology
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at the University of Connecticut. He did a statistical academic
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research study where he compared 85 UFO contact experiencers with
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85 individuals that had near death experiences. And one of
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the hypotheses that he wanted to test out was whether
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these people had a childhood traumatic experiences. But these people
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that were sent to him were people that had negative
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experiences to begin with. These are people that had perceived
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abduction experiences. And so that came about, but it wasn't
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a huge number. It was a higher percent than the
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normal population. But then when we did our study, there
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was no difference whether you had childhood trauma or not.
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So that's a misnomer. But you need very large samples
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like the one that we did. For example, another rumor
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that's going around was RH negative. In order for you
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to be a UFO contact, you need to be RH negative. Well,
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out of the 4,350 people that took our survey, it
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showed that it was the same statistical percentage as the
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worldwide population of RH negative. So we were able to
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squash that. But yet, you know, you go to these,
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you hear these radio interviews and, oh, I swear, you know,
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it's RH negative. And someone told me, someone else told me, wrong, sister.
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We've got data from 4,350 people from all around the
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world that says that that's bullshit, the RH negative stuff.
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So we were able to test out hypotheses.
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You mentioned... Perceived abductions. What is your understanding of what
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is happening with the more negative encounters and experiences that
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01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:56.760
people have? Mainly the more physical encounters where people are
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01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:01.819
claimed to be experimented on, hybridization programs actually taken on
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01:34:01.979 --> 01:34:06.560
ships and have these horrific traumatic experiences. What do you
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think is really happening here?
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Okay.
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I think that's all bullshit. All right. Okay, now let
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01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:18.939
me explain. First of all, in terms of the negativity
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of the experience, what we discovered was that initially 37%, 37,
1415
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that's one out of three approximately, viewed their experiences as
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01:34:29.869 --> 01:34:34.369
a negative experience. But then over the years, the vast
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01:34:34.409 --> 01:34:41.600
majority of these individuals continue to have experiences. Over time,
1418
01:34:41.739 --> 01:34:47.810
the experiences were perceived as more positive and as spiritual
1419
01:34:48.229 --> 01:34:52.229
type of experiences. So for example, let's take a couple
1420
01:34:52.250 --> 01:34:57.050
of case studies here, okay? Whitley Strieber, he came out
1421
01:34:57.090 --> 01:35:00.470
with his first book, Communion, and a couple of books
1422
01:35:00.869 --> 01:35:08.289
after that. These are traumatic experiences, okay? Totally traumatized by
1423
01:35:08.329 --> 01:35:12.010
these experiences. But his last three books have all been
1424
01:35:12.050 --> 01:35:17.199
about God and spirituality. Okay. In his interviews, he now
1425
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:23.520
gives thanks to these beings because it's given him spirituality. Okay.
1426
01:35:23.899 --> 01:35:29.439
And because the latter experiences were extremely positive, being brought
1427
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.800
to other realities, being able to communicate with his deceased wife,
1428
01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:37.939
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Kathleen Martin wrote the book, Captured,
1429
01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:42.279
the story of Betty and Barney Hill. I think we're
1430
01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:43.229
frozen here. Okay.
1431
01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:43.399
Okay.
1432
01:35:44.329 --> 01:35:44.890
You can still hear me.
1433
01:35:44.989 --> 01:35:45.670
Okay. Yeah.
1434
01:35:45.710 --> 01:35:50.149
So she wrote a book, Captured, of Benny and Barney Hill,
1435
01:35:50.489 --> 01:35:51.890
her aunt and uncle.
1436
01:35:52.149 --> 01:35:52.409
Okay.
1437
01:35:53.449 --> 01:35:56.699
But she just recently wrote a book titled From Alien
1438
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:02.399
Abductions to Spiritual Transformation. Okay. So just like Whitley Strieber,
1439
01:36:02.659 --> 01:36:06.439
this woman has been totally traumatized from the very beginning,
1440
01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:11.939
but yet later on now views this as spiritually transformative experiences.
1441
01:36:12.180 --> 01:36:12.380
Okay.
1442
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:17.760
What we discovered when we asked questions about their personality transformation,
1443
01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:21.390
how were you before? How were you afterwards? What we
1444
01:36:21.430 --> 01:36:25.789
discovered was that 85% of these people underwent a complete
1445
01:36:26.250 --> 01:36:31.189
profile transformation of their personality. For example, on the topic
1446
01:36:31.229 --> 01:36:39.520
of spirituality, 85% now are very spiritual. Atheist, materialist, okay?
1447
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.529
People that were religious, okay? You know, every Sunday they
1448
01:36:43.550 --> 01:36:47.090
had to go to Catholic Mass, okay? Now, a third
1449
01:36:47.130 --> 01:36:52.720
of these people still remained religious, but spirituality is now
1450
01:36:52.810 --> 01:36:57.460
top set. That's number one. So these people became deeply spiritual.
1451
01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:03.140
They didn't care about money. Death didn't worry them, okay?
1452
01:37:03.699 --> 01:37:06.439
They became much more loving, much more caring. We asked
1453
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:13.539
over 70 questions on transformative topics. And we duplicated the
1454
01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:18.060
findings of Dr. Kenneth Ring from his 1993 book titled
1455
01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:21.689
The Omega Project. Okay. The same exact finding that he had.
1456
01:37:22.779 --> 01:37:26.470
But these people totally changed. Both for Dr. Kenneth Ring
1457
01:37:26.829 --> 01:37:31.149
was the near-death experience folks and the UFO abduction folks.
1458
01:37:32.149 --> 01:37:35.869
Totally changed in exactly the same way. So, but yet
1459
01:37:36.109 --> 01:37:38.270
materialist ufology doesn't talk about these things.
1460
01:37:38.310 --> 01:37:42.029
I hear this very often. It, It appears that the
1461
01:37:42.149 --> 01:37:44.710
state of mind you're in when you first start having
1462
01:37:44.750 --> 01:37:49.710
these experiences will essentially dictate the outcome of the experiences.
1463
01:37:49.789 --> 01:37:52.260
But I hear this more and more. The more people
1464
01:37:52.310 --> 01:37:56.500
have them, the more they interact with these intelligences, the
1465
01:37:56.579 --> 01:38:00.960
more benevolent the experiences become. It seems like sort of
1466
01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:06.979
an alchemical transformation of consciousness that these beings are assisting
1467
01:38:07.060 --> 01:38:07.560
in a way.
1468
01:38:09.590 --> 01:38:12.289
Well, I don't agree with that. I think it's something
1469
01:38:12.310 --> 01:38:15.500
a little bit more basic. In terms of negativity, we
1470
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:18.539
asked that question, was this positive, negative, or neutral? And
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01:38:18.579 --> 01:38:22.020
we also asked it in more than 25 different questions,
1472
01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:26.550
because how you phrase a question, you'll get a different response, okay?
1473
01:38:27.109 --> 01:38:29.390
For example, we asked the question, if you could stop
1474
01:38:30.289 --> 01:38:36.020
your contact experiences, would you? Straightforward question, right? Well, 92%,
1475
01:38:36.020 --> 01:38:39.069
keep it coming, baby. Keep it coming, okay? And so
1476
01:38:39.100 --> 01:38:41.659
if this is so negative, why did 92% say no,
1477
01:38:42.060 --> 01:38:45.819
keep it coming, okay? We asked outright the question, was
1478
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:50.710
it positive, negative, or neutral? Only 4%. said that it
1479
01:38:50.729 --> 01:38:53.949
was negative, okay? Now getting back to an earlier statement
1480
01:38:53.989 --> 01:38:58.210
that you had made earlier about abductions and hybridization, okay?
1481
01:38:58.750 --> 01:39:03.090
The person pretty much that's focused on hybridization was David Jacobs.
1482
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.479
And Bud Hopkins would tag along with that, okay? And
1483
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:12.039
I already told you how biased these people were, okay?
1484
01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.060
And again, I encourage people to read Carol Rainey's article
1485
01:39:15.539 --> 01:39:19.100
in volume three of the Greater Reality book series. If
1486
01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:22.119
anyone has any questions, send me an email. My email
1487
01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:29.840
is contactmodality at gmail.com. Contactmodality at gmail.com. And ask for
1488
01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:31.439
that volume three and I'll send it to you.
1489
01:39:32.130 --> 01:39:32.430
Okay?
1490
01:39:32.630 --> 01:39:37.630
For free as a PDF file. Now, we ask questions
1491
01:39:37.689 --> 01:39:45.670
about hybridization. Okay? We ask specifically, do you have any
1492
01:39:47.020 --> 01:39:51.609
tangible questions information to tell us that you produced a
1493
01:39:51.649 --> 01:39:56.649
hybrid baby. We also had previously asked the person, do
1494
01:39:56.710 --> 01:40:01.550
not answer this question based upon hypnotic regressions. Well, we
1495
01:40:01.590 --> 01:40:06.260
only had seven people that talked about hybridization. And then
1496
01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:09.600
we found out in their written responses to the open-ended
1497
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:14.800
questions was that this came about through hypnotic regression. And
1498
01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:18.609
so they didn't respond to us correctly those people about
1499
01:40:18.649 --> 01:40:22.449
the hybridization. It wasn't like she was pregnant and gave
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01:40:22.529 --> 01:40:26.350
birth to a hybrid baby. There was a fetus and
1501
01:40:26.390 --> 01:40:29.779
it looked like a little ant person or something like that. No,
1502
01:40:29.859 --> 01:40:34.159
none of that stuff. And when you get seven people
1503
01:40:34.220 --> 01:40:39.600
out of 4,350 people, those are called outliers in statistical research.
1504
01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:42.279
And what do you do to an outlier? You throw
1505
01:40:42.340 --> 01:40:45.710
it out because it's not consistent with everything else. So
1506
01:40:45.729 --> 01:40:48.000
that's why I say it's bullshit. And then when you
1507
01:40:48.100 --> 01:40:53.220
add to that David Jacobs viewing the ultimate result of
1508
01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:56.899
alien contact as hybridization, then it's bullshit on top of
1509
01:40:56.939 --> 01:41:00.260
bullshit on top of bullshit. But yet that's the field
1510
01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:07.260
of ufology today. RH negative, you've had an abduction, hybridization.
1511
01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:14.960
Most of what's on the internet is bullshit. Why? Because
1512
01:41:15.020 --> 01:41:16.899
we've got the data to prove it and to back
1513
01:41:16.939 --> 01:41:19.770
it up. Now, in terms of the abduction phenomenon, we
1514
01:41:19.789 --> 01:41:25.250
discovered 80% of the people described an alien abduction as
1515
01:41:25.289 --> 01:41:30.550
an out-of-body experience. Okay? That's what it is. It's an
1516
01:41:30.689 --> 01:41:35.050
out-of-body experience. Now, these beings might be very real. They
1517
01:41:35.109 --> 01:41:38.079
might be doing things to you, to check you up
1518
01:41:38.180 --> 01:41:41.939
on you, whatever. But what they're doing it while you
1519
01:41:42.100 --> 01:41:48.119
are taken out of your body. Okay? Now, This intelligence
1520
01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:50.600
that we're acting with is not how we perceive it
1521
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.420
to be. These are not physical beings coming from a
1522
01:41:53.460 --> 01:41:57.680
physical planet to interact with us in the overwhelming number
1523
01:41:57.720 --> 01:42:01.109
of cases for less than a minute. You see a being, boom,
1524
01:42:02.069 --> 01:42:05.930
last a minute and he's gone. But let me give
1525
01:42:05.949 --> 01:42:09.609
you a background for that to this topic. They're not physical,
1526
01:42:10.930 --> 01:42:17.560
both the UFOs and the beings. First of all, I'm
1527
01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:20.720
not the only one that said this. The two major
1528
01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:26.210
researchers in ufology, Dr. Jacques Vallee and Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
1529
01:42:26.710 --> 01:42:29.710
towards the last two years of his life, they said
1530
01:42:29.729 --> 01:42:34.170
the same exact thing, okay? I don't believe that UFOs
1531
01:42:34.350 --> 01:42:38.250
or physical beings coming to visit us from who knows
1532
01:42:38.310 --> 01:42:44.050
where in our universe, interacting with us almost always for
1533
01:42:44.109 --> 01:42:47.340
less than a minute, okay? the vast majority, in less
1534
01:42:47.380 --> 01:42:51.970
than 30 seconds. Okay? I don't believe that's correct. Jack
1535
01:42:51.989 --> 01:42:54.770
Valle says he'll be highly disappointed if that's what it
1536
01:42:54.789 --> 01:42:55.350
turned out to be.
1537
01:42:55.569 --> 01:42:55.850
Okay?
1538
01:42:56.210 --> 01:42:59.770
So these are the two major researchers in the world
1539
01:43:00.630 --> 01:43:02.010
of the UFO contact phenomenon.
1540
01:43:02.569 --> 01:43:02.850
Okay?
1541
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:08.159
Also, there was a very, very famous ufologist from the
1542
01:43:08.539 --> 01:43:12.619
60s and 70s and early 80s, John Keel. I don't
1543
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:13.439
know if you ever heard him.
1544
01:43:13.460 --> 01:43:13.800
Okay?
1545
01:43:13.819 --> 01:43:17.979
Okay. Very, very well known. He was the first one
1546
01:43:18.020 --> 01:43:20.460
to come out in the 60s saying that these were
1547
01:43:20.819 --> 01:43:22.739
paranormal phenomena. Ultraterrestrials.
1548
01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:23.020
Okay.
1549
01:43:23.340 --> 01:43:28.289
Yeah, that was his term, ultraterrestrial, that they're not physical
1550
01:43:28.329 --> 01:43:31.229
beings coming to visit us from a physical planet. Okay.
1551
01:43:31.770 --> 01:43:35.590
Then Raymond Fowler. Have you ever heard of Raymond Fowler? Okay.
1552
01:43:36.750 --> 01:43:40.850
I did the foreword for Raymond Fowler's latest book. Okay.
1553
01:43:41.350 --> 01:43:45.189
And for many, many years now, he has the same conclusions.
1554
01:43:45.989 --> 01:43:49.569
that these are not physical beings coming to visit us
1555
01:43:49.590 --> 01:43:52.689
from a physical planet, okay? And there are many other
1556
01:43:53.770 --> 01:43:56.390
ufologists out there that have the same view. All the
1557
01:43:56.430 --> 01:44:01.699
members of our group, all the members had that hypothesis, okay?
1558
01:44:02.420 --> 01:44:06.260
But yet mainstream materialist ufology, they still hold that view.
1559
01:44:06.340 --> 01:44:06.579
Why?
1560
01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:11.590
Because they're materialists, okay? Everything begins and ends at the
1561
01:44:11.630 --> 01:44:12.130
five senses.
1562
01:44:12.149 --> 01:44:15.029
Do you think that there is a psychological operation that
1563
01:44:15.149 --> 01:44:20.720
may be unfolding, stemming from our military-industrial complex, to perpetuate
1564
01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:25.880
this false UFO physical narrative and possibly muddy the waters?
1565
01:44:25.899 --> 01:44:30.960
No, I don't think so. I think U.S. intelligence and
1566
01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:35.069
other intelligence worldwide, these people are totally clueless. Totally clueless
1567
01:44:35.489 --> 01:44:37.189
of the complexities of the phenomenon.
1568
01:44:38.970 --> 01:44:39.229
Why?
1569
01:44:39.310 --> 01:44:44.109
Because... They never did any type of comprehensive academic research
1570
01:44:44.130 --> 01:44:47.779
study of the UFO contact experiences. You know, they're focusing
1571
01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:52.439
on selective people, people like Chris Bledsoe, for example, you know,
1572
01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:55.159
to get their data of what's going on. You know,
1573
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:59.369
Chris's experiences, he still approaches in many, many ways the
1574
01:44:59.470 --> 01:45:06.750
UFO aspect from a materialist perspective, okay? But, and many
1575
01:45:06.770 --> 01:45:09.810
of these other people, they still focus on the physicality
1576
01:45:10.260 --> 01:45:14.260
of the phenomenon. And so these people are totally clueless,
1577
01:45:14.619 --> 01:45:16.319
just like mainstream materialist ufologists.
1578
01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:21.000
What about those that claim to be abducted, but have
1579
01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:23.819
military personnel being involved?
1580
01:45:26.779 --> 01:45:27.689
Well, we tested that.
1581
01:45:28.609 --> 01:45:28.829
Okay.
1582
01:45:28.869 --> 01:45:32.829
We asked that question. They're called my labs. Right. Okay.
1583
01:45:33.250 --> 01:45:35.210
We asked like 20, my lab questions.
1584
01:45:35.550 --> 01:45:35.829
Okay.
1585
01:45:36.689 --> 01:45:39.789
And we found that it was a tiny percent. like
1586
01:45:39.810 --> 01:45:41.329
maybe 5%.
1587
01:45:41.329 --> 01:45:41.590
Why?
1588
01:45:41.670 --> 01:45:44.890
Because by the time they took our survey, my labs
1589
01:45:44.909 --> 01:45:48.470
were circulating all over the place on the internet. We
1590
01:45:48.510 --> 01:45:54.859
began our surveys in 2013, okay? So late, late 2013.
1591
01:45:54.859 --> 01:45:59.300
And so at that time, my lab had reached its height, okay? So, oh, yes,
1592
01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:00.699
I was at my lab. I was at my lab,
1593
01:46:00.779 --> 01:46:03.359
you know? Yes, I'm a hybrid. I'm a hybrid, you know,
1594
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:07.420
because that's what was going on. Now, with the abduction phenomenon,
1595
01:46:07.899 --> 01:46:13.600
you don't hear a peep about it. I asked Mary Rodwell,
1596
01:46:14.420 --> 01:46:18.819
Kathleen Martin, Barbara Lamb. Leo Sprinkle is deceased now for
1597
01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:23.779
several years. Rosemary Langele is also deceased. But I would
1598
01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:25.800
ask them, you know, what's going on with these abductions?
1599
01:46:26.380 --> 01:46:29.560
We don't hear about them anymore. Occasionally, you hear about it.
1600
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:39.050
So here's my hypothesis of this, okay? I think once...
1601
01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:45.500
David Jacobs got put out to the pasture. He's no
1602
01:46:45.539 --> 01:46:48.399
longer lecturing on these things. He no longer appears on
1603
01:46:48.460 --> 01:46:52.380
radio shows. But, you know, years ago, it was like
1604
01:46:52.460 --> 01:46:55.050
every UFO conference, you had to invite either David Jacobs
1605
01:46:55.100 --> 01:46:58.750
or Bud Hopkins or both, okay? Or Whitley Strieber as
1606
01:46:58.810 --> 01:47:03.989
a keynote speaker, okay? So you had that negative message constantly, constantly.
1607
01:47:04.329 --> 01:47:07.529
They would appear on radio shows all the time, okay?
1608
01:47:08.029 --> 01:47:11.539
Ray Hernandez with real academic data He's rarely interviewed.
1609
01:47:12.579 --> 01:47:12.760
Why?
1610
01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:17.350
Because I focus on consciousness, the non-material aspects of ufology.
1611
01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:25.430
No one cares. People want to be sensationalized. And so
1612
01:47:26.510 --> 01:47:30.069
David Jacob got put out to the pasture. Bud Hopkins,
1613
01:47:30.850 --> 01:47:33.479
he's no longer with us. So you don't have this
1614
01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:39.539
constant bombardment. Whitley Strieber changed his tune. Okay. Kathleen Martin
1615
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:43.930
changed her tune. about abductions. So yes, you hear cases,
1616
01:47:44.090 --> 01:47:47.010
but these are cases that happened years ago. People going
1617
01:47:47.069 --> 01:47:50.579
out publicly with it. But I think it's a reflection
1618
01:47:50.739 --> 01:47:54.380
of what is circulating in the mass media. Because it's
1619
01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:57.479
not circling in the mass media anymore. You don't hear
1620
01:47:57.539 --> 01:48:01.479
about it. Even though people are aware of it. Okay?
1621
01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:04.659
It's just, it's not circulating in the mass media.
1622
01:48:05.180 --> 01:48:05.439
Why?
1623
01:48:05.550 --> 01:48:10.050
I think it's because it was something that was brainwashed.
1624
01:48:10.989 --> 01:48:16.020
into the fabric of the experiencer. For example, you go
1625
01:48:16.029 --> 01:48:18.779
to a UFO conference. I've never been invited to a
1626
01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:23.640
UFO conference. Major UFO conference. The little ones, yes. But
1627
01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:25.020
a major UFO conference?
1628
01:48:25.420 --> 01:48:25.720
Never.
1629
01:48:26.819 --> 01:48:27.140
Why?
1630
01:48:27.260 --> 01:48:32.960
Because my message is not about a reptilian being raping
1631
01:48:33.220 --> 01:48:38.439
your wife. And it's not about creating hybrid children and
1632
01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:42.270
things like that sort. It's not about negativity because fear sells.
1633
01:48:42.470 --> 01:48:47.149
You know that. A horror movie sells much more than
1634
01:48:47.689 --> 01:48:52.149
a great TV documentary or something like that. So I
1635
01:48:52.189 --> 01:48:55.579
don't talk about that. I talk about academic data. Who
1636
01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:58.680
in hell is interested in academic data? Nobody. And then
1637
01:48:58.699 --> 01:49:00.420
what I do is I mix in the topic of
1638
01:49:00.500 --> 01:49:03.819
consciousness research on top of all of that, which we
1639
01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:08.430
haven't touched upon yet. Okay. But it's like not interested
1640
01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:10.859
in addition to that. not interested in the other thing
1641
01:49:10.899 --> 01:49:13.699
you want to talk about. So I'm never invited, but
1642
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:16.939
yet that's what this phenomenon is all about is a
1643
01:49:16.979 --> 01:49:20.520
consciousness based phenomenon. And let me tell you initially how
1644
01:49:20.579 --> 01:49:25.869
I reached that conclusion. Okay. And particularly about the UFOs. Okay. Um,
1645
01:49:28.430 --> 01:49:33.149
my initial experience started in March, March 4th of 2012. Okay. Um,
1646
01:49:34.409 --> 01:49:40.550
I called down my very first of many, uh, C.A.P. 's, i.e. UFOs,
1647
01:49:41.189 --> 01:49:47.750
in August of 2012, six months later. And can I
1648
01:49:47.770 --> 01:49:54.050
take a little time to talk about this? First of all,
1649
01:49:54.189 --> 01:49:59.949
within 15 minutes it appeared. So now we have this
1650
01:50:00.029 --> 01:50:05.340
concept that a human being tries to call down a C.A.P.
1651
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:08.939
and within 15 minutes it shows up. Okay. That's commonly
1652
01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:12.260
called CE5. But I don't like that word because Stephen
1653
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:17.000
Greer coined it. But yet for 15 years prior to that,
1654
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:21.659
Sixto Paz Wells and Grupo Rama were doing the same thing.
1655
01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:24.949
Except they didn't market it and make millions off of
1656
01:50:25.029 --> 01:50:31.310
it like Stephen Greer did. Okay. They don't charge anything.
1657
01:50:31.930 --> 01:50:35.850
Just the cost of the event. You know, getting a tent,
1658
01:50:35.930 --> 01:50:38.390
renting a tent and things of that sort. And, um,
1659
01:50:39.050 --> 01:50:43.050
but you know, Greer charged 3,500 bucks to get the
1660
01:50:43.270 --> 01:50:47.600
sand flies. Okay. So, but very few people know that. Oh,
1661
01:50:47.699 --> 01:50:50.560
I'm CE5, CE5, CE5. Well, do you know that Sixto
1662
01:50:50.579 --> 01:50:53.340
Pascuals in Peru was doing this with a very large group,
1663
01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:56.500
an international group that would go down there, including my
1664
01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.930
best friend, Alberto Fernandez, uh, would go down there in
1665
01:50:59.949 --> 01:51:04.250
the mid eighties, since the mid eighties. So yeah, but no, it's,
1666
01:51:04.350 --> 01:51:08.119
it's all Greer is just a marketing person. Um, So
1667
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:12.819
that's one thing. Within 15 minutes, they would appear. Number two,
1668
01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:18.649
there's telepathic communication that takes place. I know because there
1669
01:51:18.659 --> 01:51:23.170
was telepathic communication with me. When that object first appeared
1670
01:51:23.210 --> 01:51:27.510
to me, it was comprised of hundreds of oblong streaks
1671
01:51:27.569 --> 01:51:31.010
of light. And inside was all this white energy swirling around.
1672
01:51:31.350 --> 01:51:33.890
And it was huge. It was a huge object, like
1673
01:51:33.890 --> 01:51:37.210
600 meters in length and very close to the ground.
1674
01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:41.100
the palm trees of my next-door neighbor's house, because it
1675
01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:44.560
was on top of his house, were blocking that object, okay?
1676
01:51:44.859 --> 01:51:46.939
That's how close to the ground it was, and it
1677
01:51:47.010 --> 01:51:50.270
was very long and about 100 meters tall. It was
1678
01:51:50.310 --> 01:51:53.170
a huge object, but it wasn't a physical object, okay?
1679
01:51:53.590 --> 01:51:56.109
So then my friend comes, because I was waiting for
1680
01:51:56.149 --> 01:51:58.270
them to give me some parking tickets. I was going
1681
01:51:58.289 --> 01:52:01.340
to do a motion to consolidate, doing them a favor.
1682
01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:04.699
And so they said, Ray, what the hell is that?
1683
01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:06.340
What the hell is that? I said, you know damn
1684
01:52:06.359 --> 01:52:09.289
well what it is. And so they began to try
1685
01:52:09.310 --> 01:52:11.909
to explain it away. And so after like two minutes,
1686
01:52:12.529 --> 01:52:15.890
I began to laugh because their explanations were becoming more
1687
01:52:15.930 --> 01:52:21.949
crazy over time. And so then I then communicated with
1688
01:52:21.979 --> 01:52:26.159
this intelligence, with my mind. I said, you better come
1689
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:28.760
up with some better bullshit than this because my friends
1690
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:33.479
don't believe you. Instantaneously, what we were watching totally disappeared.
1691
01:52:34.380 --> 01:52:37.340
And now a new object replaced it. The new object
1692
01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:41.399
was comprised of about 50 very large orbs, the size
1693
01:52:41.420 --> 01:52:44.180
of a Volkswagen Beetle, and they were all blinking on
1694
01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:47.119
and off, on and off, on and off. So it
1695
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:50.140
was the full light of an orb and then nothing.
1696
01:52:50.659 --> 01:52:53.239
Full light of the orb and nothing like this. Okay?
1697
01:52:53.850 --> 01:52:55.750
And then they would take turns, these orbs, one at
1698
01:52:55.789 --> 01:52:58.470
a time, powering up to get real, real big and
1699
01:52:58.489 --> 01:53:00.989
then powering down. Now, we're not talking little stars in
1700
01:53:01.010 --> 01:53:03.789
the sky here. We're talking very low to the ground stars.
1701
01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:07.340
The bottom of these orbs, the palm trees were blocking it, okay?
1702
01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:10.880
A few feet from the rooftop of my next door
1703
01:53:10.899 --> 01:53:16.180
neighbor's house. So later on upon analysis of that, okay,
1704
01:53:16.579 --> 01:53:21.039
I realized, my God, what I was watching initially was
1705
01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:23.819
not a real physical object. Because when I said, you
1706
01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:26.319
better come up with some better bullshit than this, that
1707
01:53:26.350 --> 01:53:30.409
was totally deleted, replaced by something totally different. So it
1708
01:53:30.470 --> 01:53:32.630
wasn't a physical object that we were watching. How could
1709
01:53:32.649 --> 01:53:35.289
something that you're watching that's physical, this huge object, totally
1710
01:53:35.310 --> 01:53:39.369
disappear instantaneously? So then I said to myself, this is
1711
01:53:39.430 --> 01:53:44.640
a holographic projection. And then let me tell you another story.
1712
01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:49.180
A good friend of mine, Dr. Joseph Burks, retired medical doctor,
1713
01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:56.779
he's been calling down UFOs since 1992. Major experiencer and
1714
01:53:57.039 --> 01:54:01.590
very smart man. Hospital in Los Angeles. He worked in
1715
01:54:01.609 --> 01:54:03.949
a hospital in Los Angeles for many, many years in
1716
01:54:03.970 --> 01:54:04.729
an emergency room.
1717
01:54:05.149 --> 01:54:05.449
Okay?
1718
01:54:06.170 --> 01:54:08.710
So he said, Ray, one day I was on a
1719
01:54:08.750 --> 01:54:12.590
highway in L.A. It was a six-lane highway. And then
1720
01:54:12.729 --> 01:54:15.710
I look up running right parallel to his car at
1721
01:54:15.770 --> 01:54:18.670
the same speed, very, very close to him, was a
1722
01:54:18.710 --> 01:54:22.289
World War I plane. Wooden plane.
1723
01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:23.069
Okay?
1724
01:54:23.409 --> 01:54:24.859
With little bitty wings.
1725
01:54:25.260 --> 01:54:25.479
Okay?
1726
01:54:25.500 --> 01:54:28.359
It wasn't these long wings. It was little tiny wings.
1727
01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:34.619
painted bright fire engine red with a yellow lightning bolt
1728
01:54:34.819 --> 01:54:38.500
at the end of it with no engine, no noise.
1729
01:54:40.460 --> 01:54:45.420
And then he looked, there was no pilot. So he
1730
01:54:45.460 --> 01:54:49.060
was telling me this story. And I said, Joseph, what
1731
01:54:49.090 --> 01:54:51.750
do you think this was? He says, Ray, I think
1732
01:54:51.770 --> 01:54:55.409
it was a holographic projection. This plane could not have flown.
1733
01:54:55.430 --> 01:54:58.609
It was going very, very slow, like 60 miles an hour.
1734
01:54:59.659 --> 01:55:01.779
very low to the ground, parallel to him, with little
1735
01:55:01.819 --> 01:55:04.710
tiny wings. So he knew he couldn't fly. And on
1736
01:55:04.750 --> 01:55:05.710
top of that, he had no pilot.
1737
01:55:06.770 --> 01:55:07.090
Okay?
1738
01:55:07.569 --> 01:55:11.170
So I said, Joseph, that's the same exact conclusion I reached.
1739
01:55:12.409 --> 01:55:16.550
And guess what? The books of Jacques Vallée also talks
1740
01:55:16.609 --> 01:55:24.420
about holographic projections. Okay? In several of his books. And so,
1741
01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:29.800
and same thing with Raymond Fowler. And John Keel raised
1742
01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:33.579
that point of possible holographic projections.
1743
01:55:34.180 --> 01:55:37.100
Now, based on all the research you've done, do you
1744
01:55:37.239 --> 01:55:42.090
see an increase in this phenomena or at least people's
1745
01:55:42.310 --> 01:55:45.750
awareness of it? Or is it just because of the
1746
01:55:45.869 --> 01:55:49.029
ease of access to the Internet and technology and ability
1747
01:55:49.069 --> 01:55:51.670
to share these stories? Maybe a mix of both?
1748
01:55:54.430 --> 01:55:59.439
Oh, yeah. I suspect that it's increased substantially. I just
1749
01:55:59.460 --> 01:56:02.939
gave a talk to a conference that used a term
1750
01:56:02.979 --> 01:56:07.140
that I coined, the contact modalities. I coined that term
1751
01:56:07.359 --> 01:56:11.420
in 2013. When I was writing about these concepts back in,
1752
01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:16.819
you know, since 2013, nobody cared. Nobody paid attention into
1753
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:21.779
the consciousness-based aspects of the UFO phenomenon. And now there's
1754
01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:25.939
this whole conference that focused on that. And it used
1755
01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:29.970
my name, the Contact Modalities Expo. And that was right
1756
01:56:30.010 --> 01:56:33.890
outside of Chicago. And I spoke there the past weekend.
1757
01:56:34.970 --> 01:56:40.350
And so, yes, it's a big opening because the exposure
1758
01:56:40.430 --> 01:56:44.760
on the internet. I think over the years, people have
1759
01:56:44.819 --> 01:56:50.579
read my materials, have listened to my interviews like this one, okay?
1760
01:56:50.859 --> 01:56:56.850
Because I'm not a media-friendly person. I don't do personal
1761
01:56:56.890 --> 01:57:00.689
videos often. I don't record things on my own. It's
1762
01:57:00.710 --> 01:57:06.029
when someone invites me, and not too frequently. And then
1763
01:57:06.069 --> 01:57:07.770
my books, who the hell is going to be reading
1764
01:57:08.220 --> 01:57:13.159
an 800-page academic book? And six of my books are 800, no,
1765
01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:18.039
seven are 800 pages, okay, filled with tons of data,
1766
01:57:18.060 --> 01:57:23.600
tons of statistics, and articles written by either researchers or
1767
01:57:23.659 --> 01:57:30.100
major experiencers on this relationship. between consciousness and the phenomenon.
1768
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:35.520
And so I think once a documentary that I've been
1769
01:57:35.539 --> 01:57:39.659
working on for seven years, once that gets released, we
1770
01:57:39.699 --> 01:57:42.310
can talk about that a little later on, then my
1771
01:57:42.350 --> 01:57:44.909
name is going to be all over the internet and
1772
01:57:45.170 --> 01:57:48.630
people are going to be, oh, come to my conference,
1773
01:57:49.369 --> 01:57:54.310
come to my radio show. And that documentary also has
1774
01:57:54.350 --> 01:57:56.789
the name of my personal documentary a book of my
1775
01:57:56.850 --> 01:58:02.079
personal experiences titled A Greater Reality, One Man's Journey of Discovery.
1776
01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:05.829
We've been working on that for seven years. We've just
1777
01:58:05.890 --> 01:58:08.670
completed it. I came here to Miami to meet with
1778
01:58:08.689 --> 01:58:14.369
the two corporate and where we explored the final version
1779
01:58:14.449 --> 01:58:17.270
of it. And it was just absolutely mind blowing. You know,
1780
01:58:17.289 --> 01:58:19.989
for seven years, we didn't get it right. I was like,
1781
01:58:20.010 --> 01:58:21.390
you need to change this. You need to change it.
1782
01:58:22.930 --> 01:58:25.050
And all over the United States, we've been going to
1783
01:58:25.170 --> 01:58:30.890
interview both academic, PhD academics, medical doctors, And major experiencers
1784
01:58:30.930 --> 01:58:34.750
of the contact modalities. And the man who's doing this
1785
01:58:34.770 --> 01:58:39.270
is a professional. He's been doing videos and documentaries for
1786
01:58:39.329 --> 01:58:45.520
over 25 years. He did 11 different documentaries for William Shatner.
1787
01:58:46.420 --> 01:58:52.180
He also did In Search of Spock. And tons of others.
1788
01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:55.039
Real professional. So he hit a home run with this.
1789
01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:58.779
A home run. It was just unbelievable. It was more
1790
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:00.840
than what I could have expected. And as a matter
1791
01:59:00.859 --> 01:59:04.960
of fact, on Friday, we're going to go over voiceovers
1792
01:59:05.739 --> 01:59:08.939
for the documentary. So we should be finished in about
1793
01:59:08.970 --> 01:59:11.050
a month or two. And then it's a matter of
1794
01:59:11.130 --> 01:59:15.569
shopping it to a proper source. But what we want
1795
01:59:15.609 --> 01:59:17.310
to be able to do is have like an ancient
1796
01:59:17.390 --> 01:59:22.180
aliens of UFO contact experiences, because we interviewed over a
1797
01:59:22.270 --> 01:59:26.729
hundred different experiencers. Now these are individuals who, For example,
1798
01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:28.840
let me give you Dr. Melinda Greer as an example.
1799
01:59:29.899 --> 01:59:34.819
She's seen 14 different UFOs. She's had two near-death experiences.
1800
01:59:35.439 --> 01:59:38.779
Her second was profound. After her second NDE, she began
1801
01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:43.149
to see dead people, primarily in her hospital. She's had
1802
01:59:43.229 --> 01:59:47.250
three Sasquatch experiences. Not one, not two, but three. One
1803
01:59:47.270 --> 01:59:50.449
was she was with Sasquatch the entire night. She's had
1804
01:59:50.510 --> 01:59:55.260
out-of-body experiences. And that's just an example of how all
1805
01:59:55.859 --> 01:59:59.550
of the paranormal needs to be seen as one interrelated phenomenon.
1806
02:00:00.810 --> 02:00:03.989
They're not separate. It's one phenomenon. And in our books,
1807
02:00:04.130 --> 02:00:08.649
our Greater Reality book series, volumes three, four, five, and six,
1808
02:00:08.649 --> 02:00:14.479
800 pages each, they contain chapters by major experiencers of
1809
02:00:14.500 --> 02:00:17.239
the contact modalities. And each of these people have had
1810
02:00:17.279 --> 02:00:21.739
more than three different types of paranormal experiences. Like my
1811
02:00:21.859 --> 02:00:26.159
friend Alberto Fernandez, who's my best friend here, I mean, unbelievable.
1812
02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:30.619
He's had everything. Everything in the kitchen sink squared. You know,
1813
02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:35.770
tons of experiences. But yet he's a retired DEA federal agent. Okay.
1814
02:00:36.029 --> 02:00:39.810
Well, you mentioned Sasquatch. Would you consider this also a
1815
02:00:39.909 --> 02:00:43.569
consciousness-based phenomena, a non-physical?
1816
02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:51.300
Yeah, 110%. Sasquatch, she was on a creek. She parked
1817
02:00:51.460 --> 02:00:54.460
her car walking the creek. And then she got the
1818
02:00:54.539 --> 02:00:57.140
sense that there was something behind her. So she looked back,
1819
02:00:57.520 --> 02:00:59.560
and there was a big Sasquatch that was looking inside
1820
02:00:59.579 --> 02:01:03.399
her car, peeking, looking around. And then all of a sudden,
1821
02:01:03.720 --> 02:01:07.229
the being realized that she turned around and then quickly,
1822
02:01:07.649 --> 02:01:11.510
super fast, super fast, was taking these huge steps and ran.
1823
02:01:11.850 --> 02:01:15.449
And when it jumped to go over into a, they
1824
02:01:15.489 --> 02:01:17.090
have these things that divide.
1825
02:01:18.109 --> 02:01:18.529
The median?
1826
02:01:19.170 --> 02:01:22.449
Walkways. Medium, but no, but this is all forest, you know?
1827
02:01:24.210 --> 02:01:27.189
So when it rains, it goes into this gully, right?
1828
02:01:27.550 --> 02:01:29.770
So it jumped and boom, it disappeared right in front
1829
02:01:29.789 --> 02:01:33.989
of her. Wow. So this is just like other beings.
1830
02:01:34.430 --> 02:01:37.550
These are multidimensional beings that have the ability to disappear
1831
02:01:37.590 --> 02:01:38.069
right in front of you.
1832
02:01:38.220 --> 02:01:40.979
To the best of your ability, if you had to
1833
02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:46.699
explain the purpose for this relationship and the contact experiences
1834
02:01:46.779 --> 02:01:51.000
that people have, what would you say that the relationship
1835
02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:51.800
really is about?
1836
02:01:53.689 --> 02:01:58.699
Okay, all these phenomenon have an end goal to it all.
1837
02:01:59.279 --> 02:02:01.380
And I'm not saying this is my opinion. No, this
1838
02:02:01.399 --> 02:02:04.640
is what the data says, okay? The data says that
1839
02:02:04.640 --> 02:02:10.000
85% of these people become deeply spiritual. So I would
1840
02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:18.369
reply is that these are spiritually awakening mechanisms, okay? All
1841
02:02:18.390 --> 02:02:24.859
of these phenomenon are all phenomenon associated with the universal mind,
1842
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:29.560
with God, a non-religious God, okay? That's my argument. And
1843
02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:32.739
the beings that we're seeing, the UFO-related type of beings,
1844
02:02:33.300 --> 02:02:36.340
are beings that are multi-dimensional. These are not physical beings.
1845
02:02:36.359 --> 02:02:39.939
They don't come from a physical planet, okay? And I
1846
02:02:39.979 --> 02:02:43.670
would say the vast majority of these beings are very benevolent,
1847
02:02:43.850 --> 02:02:48.850
very spiritual, okay? And what they do is they awaken you.
1848
02:02:49.630 --> 02:02:53.310
Even though initially you had a traumatic experience, 25 years
1849
02:02:53.369 --> 02:02:55.609
later when you took our survey, all of a sudden
1850
02:02:55.670 --> 02:03:01.039
it's like kumbaya, you know? You're deeply spiritual. I'm having
1851
02:03:01.340 --> 02:03:06.479
spiritually transformative lessons taught to me by these beings, okay?
1852
02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:13.039
Either perceived physically, telepathically, or in another multidimensional reality. So
1853
02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:15.279
I think the end goal of all of this is
1854
02:03:15.340 --> 02:03:16.739
to awaken humanity.
1855
02:03:16.930 --> 02:03:17.270
Why?
1856
02:03:18.250 --> 02:03:22.840
Because we're at the cusp of total annihilation. both our
1857
02:03:22.939 --> 02:03:28.039
planet and of the human species. One aspect of it,
1858
02:03:28.090 --> 02:03:34.210
for example, is the global sea rise, okay? For goodness,
1859
02:03:34.250 --> 02:03:39.149
at least 30 years now, scientists know of the increased
1860
02:03:39.189 --> 02:03:42.670
heat in our planet. Over the last 15 years, it's
1861
02:03:42.689 --> 02:03:47.069
been fully documented in one academic paper after another. And
1862
02:03:47.090 --> 02:03:49.710
then over the last five years, it's just been blown apart.
1863
02:03:50.789 --> 02:03:54.880
Every year is like, record high temperatures. So they've been
1864
02:03:54.920 --> 02:04:00.380
testing also the glaciers, the polar caps, and what they
1865
02:04:00.420 --> 02:04:03.760
found is just these things are shrinking more rapidly than
1866
02:04:03.859 --> 02:04:10.289
they initially estimated. So in 100 years, all the coastal
1867
02:04:10.329 --> 02:04:15.670
cities around the world, they're going to be underwater. For example,
1868
02:04:15.949 --> 02:04:21.970
New York City, underwater. Boston, underwater. Los Angeles, underwater. San Francisco, underwater. underwater,
1869
02:04:22.829 --> 02:04:25.930
on and on and on. India has billions of people
1870
02:04:25.970 --> 02:04:28.949
that live at the coastline with these major cities. They're
1871
02:04:28.970 --> 02:04:31.090
all going to be underwater. So what are going to
1872
02:04:31.130 --> 02:04:34.670
be the subsequent after effects of all of a sudden
1873
02:04:35.909 --> 02:04:42.189
having billions of people migrate inwards? For example, in Bangladesh,
1874
02:04:42.369 --> 02:04:45.279
I think it's like one and a half billion people.
1875
02:04:46.180 --> 02:04:49.000
I forgot the exact number. Don't quote me on it,
1876
02:04:49.039 --> 02:04:51.640
but we're talking a hell of a lot of people, okay? Very,
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very poor country. What happens if all these people all
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of a sudden go to Pakistan, a country that has
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nuclear weapons? What happens if they go to India, a
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country that has nuclear weapons? If Trump is deporting people
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that are here working in this country, most of them
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paying taxes without being able to recover those taxes, if
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that's the drastic step that he's taking, imagine if you
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have additional migration from people in the islands, in the Caribbean, okay?
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You name the island, most of those places are going
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to be underwater, okay? Miami, what happens to all those
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people that live in Florida? Most of Florida is going
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to be underwater, okay? So there will come a point
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where nuclear weapons are going to be used to discuss,
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to get rid of, you know, a billion people from
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Bangladesh invading Pakistan or India, okay? So it's going to
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be major upheavals. And so all you need to do
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is use an atomic bomb one time. That leads to
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further use of atomic bombs. It's going to be annihilation
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of the human species. And so people don't know that,
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but just game plan the whole scenarios out. I had
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that discussion in my book, The Mind of God, in
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the first chapters. And what I started that book was,
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there's no coincidence why most of the paranormal contact modalities
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developed and took off worldwide within five years of each other.
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For example, near-death experiences. When did that take off on
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a worldwide basis? 1975, with the publication of Dr. Raymond
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Moody's book, Life After Life, okay? Robert Monroe with his
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books on out-of-body experiences. When did that get launched? Well, 1972,
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with his book, Higher Journeys. With the UFO contact phenomenon,
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I would argue that it took off on a worldwide
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basis in the early 70s, when Star Trek got syndicated.
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Before that date, you had a few people that were
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interested in UFOs, tiny groups, okay, in the United States
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and around the world, you know, less than a thousand
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people that had an interest in these topics. But after
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Star Trek, oh my goodness, you're talking about beings from
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other planets, beings from other dimensions, you know, a whole
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array of different types of beings, that information, is basically
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what's taking place now, okay? And the remote viewing, when
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did that start? 1972 with the Stanford Research Institute. So
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they're all within five years of each other. So then
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you ask the question, is it a coincidence that all
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these things before the internet started within five years of
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each other? Or was this a series of orchestrated events, okay?
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When you look at all these paranormal phenomena, whether it's NDE,
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remote viewing, communication with the deceased, UFOs, et cetera, et cetera,
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the ultimate outcome from all of them is that it transforms.
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the individual. It's an awakening of humanity. And I argue
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that the awakening, the reason for the awakening is that
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to bitch slap your face and to say, look, look,
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you're exterminating humanity. You're killing off our planet. You're not
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making it suitable for continued life. So that's what's happening.
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And who's doing this? Well, I argue it's the universal mind.
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Earlier, you had mentioned that most of these intelligences are
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extremely benevolent. Would you say that there is also the
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other end of the spectrum, not necessarily malevolent beings, but
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those that really don't have humanity's best interest or just
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consider us another being and don't really care either way,
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just like the spectrum of life in the material realm.
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Okay. Let me answer that question from a different perspective. Okay.
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First of all, in our research study, we were able
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to discover that there are literally tens of thousands of
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different types of beings. Okay. Tens of thousands. If you
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talk to experiencers and document their experiences, they're seeing everything.
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Okay.
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There's a book written by another friend of mine, Albert Rosales.
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He's published 25 books just on different humanoids over five-year periods.
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So he said, okay, from 1970 to 75, these are
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the reports that were out there about different types of humanoids,
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like every five years. 25 books he's written, thousands of
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different humanoids, okay? In our survey, we had 13 different categories.
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You know what came up, number one?
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Other.
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It wasn't the other 12 that you mentioned. It was
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something else. Number one was the energy being. Okay? Number one,
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energy being. Number two was the human-looking being. And the
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human-looking being, they were 15 feet tall. They were two
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feet tall. They had blonde hair, blue eyes, African features,
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kinky hair, you know, dark skin.
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Okay?
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Asian-looking. Okay? Tons of Asians. looking beings appeared. My friend
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Alberto had two Asian looking beings. One was a Chinese
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warlord from the second century BC who telepathically communicated him
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about his past life, that he was the adopted son
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of Guan Ko, an ancient Chinese warlord. These are just
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examples that I'm giving you. He's had everything, everything. And
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his story is going to be in volume six, which
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is not published yet, but he finally gave me permission
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to put his story into volume six of our greater
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reality book series. The short grace, for example, if you
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go to the internet, you think everything is the short grace. Well,
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the short grace were number four. Okay. And out of
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those short grace in our survey, we had 1,350 people
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that had experiences with short grace. That's a hell of
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a lot of people.
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Okay.
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Only 10% viewed it as negative. That's it. 10% with
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the short grace. So you can see, but yet the
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perception on the internet is that these were all horrible beings, okay?
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So that's what research data gives you. It gives you
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ammunition to say what is bullshit and what is not, okay? Now,
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here's a question I'm posing to you, okay? And to
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your audience members. First of all, most of these encounters
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last less than 30 seconds. The overwhelming majority is less
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than a minute, okay? So the question is, Did these
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tens of thousands of different looking beings with different clothes,
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different insignias, you know, like I just explained earlier, did
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these tens of thousands of different beings come to interact
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with us usually for less than 30 seconds? Did they
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come from tens of thousands of different planets, billions of
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light years away, just to interact with us for less
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than 30 seconds? Or is the explanation a little bit
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more complicated?
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Okay? Okay?
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Just food for thought. Okay? I argue that, no, these
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are not physical beings coming to visit us from a
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physical planet. Hold on a second. That's my wife trying
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to communicate.
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No, it's all good.
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And so I argue this is a little bit more complicated.
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My response is that these are multidimensional non-human intelligence. Multidimensional. Now,
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in terms of what is the ultimate source of them,
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they appear to have their own distinctive, how should I say,
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individuated unit of consciousness, soul, beingness, whatever. They appear to
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have that, but they're not physical. They're multidimensional. And in
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terms of being able to understand all of this, You know,
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we still have to do a lot of prying to
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do it, okay? But I would tell everyone, including yourself, okay,
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to get a book by Yossi Ronen, R-O-N-E-N. Yossi is Y-O-S-S-I.
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He has a book titled One, okay? I forgot the
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complete name of it, but it's basically One. And he
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wrote a synopsis of it, a 25-page synopsis of his
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book for volume three. of the Greater Reality book series.
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And it's absolutely mind blowing, okay? He talks about how
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these five short grays allowed him to enter their mind.
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And what he said that they weren't five separate beings.
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They were all one being. And that the knowledge that
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they had was like the knowledge of a near death experience,
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like universal knowledge, okay? And filled with love, immense love,
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just like an NDE, okay? I mean, I could go
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on and on because we don't have a lot of time.
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But I would encourage people either to buy Volume 3
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of the Greater Reality Book Series, and that contains the
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most important cases of the people that I've researched. It's
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800 pages, okay? And if you're interested, if you don't
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want to buy the book, then email me. I'll send
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you the book for free as a PDF file, okay?
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And my email is contactmodalities.com. at gmail.com. And my website,
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please go to my website. The website is agreaterreality.com, agreaterreality.com.
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And there you'll find various books that I've published for free,
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including volumes one and volume two, which are theoretical books.
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These are the chapters written by PhD academics and medical doctors.
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So it's contactmodalities, C-O-N-T-A-C-T-M-O-D-A-L-I-T-I-E-S, contactmodalities at gmail.com.
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Excellent. Ray, this was fantastic. Hopefully we'll be able to
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have you back on after your documentary that you were
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mentioning earlier drops. Looking forward to that. Before you go,
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one more time, just let the audience know, The best way,
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the easiest way that they can look up all your information.
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Okay. Our website is agreaterreality.com.
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Perfect.
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Agreaterreality.com. It's all one word. And there you'll be able
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to download various free books from our website and lots
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of other articles that we have written. And 1,600 pages, 1,600 pages.
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which is basically theoretical articles written by PhDs and medical doctors.
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Now my email is contactmodalitiesatgmail.com. And I'll spell it again.
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C-O-N-T-A-C-T-M-O-D-A-L-I-T-I-E-S at gmail.com. Excellent.
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Ray, thank you so much. We'll definitely have to do
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this again in the future. Much more we can discuss.
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And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We
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will talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all then. Hey guys,
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