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in what can only be considered an absolutely
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bonehead way of announcing the core avengers
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doomsday cast unveiling a new director's chair
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every 12 minutes with the name of the cast members
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uh what should have been like a five minute announcement
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uh turned into a boring five and a half hour
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event god they literally it was it was like every
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12 minutes we're gonna pan to a new chair that's
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empty with somebody's name in it. Like, I don't
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know what you were thinking, Feige, but let's
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move on from that. Regardless, we now have what
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appears to be the full primary cast for the next
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Avengers film, and there's some surprises in
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there, both in who's there and who's been left
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out. So we're going to talk about the cast announcement
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and what it makes us think about Avengers Doomsday.
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Jay, we were talking about this just before the
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show. What name shocked you? The most Channing
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Tatum. Channing Tatum, that was the one. That
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was the one. That was the one. I'll be honest,
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because we had seen Channing recently as Gambit.
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The one that got me was Alan Cummings. Because
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we have not seen Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler
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since X2. Oh. Right and what year was that what
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year did x2 release? Oh my god? It's a segment
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quiz with Alex now 2003 2003 is when x2 came
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out See yeah, we're gonna go through the whole
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list here in just a second, right again some
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of them makes sense to me. I'm like, yeah, you
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need some core OG Avengers. Some of the new people
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that the MCU has, you know, brought in, like
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Shang -Chi, right? We love Shang -Chi. Simu Liu
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is a treasure, right? The Fantastic Four. We're
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expecting them, right? That comes out this summer,
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right? Here's where we get to it. We had a bunch
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of old school X -Men. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen,
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Alan Cumming, James Marsden and Rebecca Romaine.
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Right. And Jay's like racking his comic book
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brain right now, going, what the hell are they
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going to do? What are they going to do? Octokitty,
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what are they going to do? Seriously? Well, let's
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let's do this before we get a thing. That many
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X -Men characters were you expecting that many
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old school X -Men characters Kelsey Grammer?
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No, I'm not at all so It kind of honestly kind
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of worries me that They're going to have too
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much going on for one movie, but you know, we'll
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see Jay is for those that listen to this audio
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only possibly you're listening to this in the
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background on your YouTube app Jay is physically
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grimacing right now and has been grimacing since
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the beginning of this. What is happening? OK.
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This we're going to theory and yes, we're going
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to read through them all, but this is where we're
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going to get into theory crafting a little bit.
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This is a new Avengers level threat, right? Like
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Thanos. We have to establish immediately that
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doom is both bad. And because we haven't we haven't
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introduced doom yet. Nobody's seen Dr. Doom Right
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in the MCU, right? Cuz you gotta remember mainstream
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audiences, right? And to we have to establish
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the fact that he's fucking powerful Right. We
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have to make him powerful So, how do we do that?
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How do we and there's been some speculation some
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of the channels I watch about how do we how do
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we very quickly establish? Doom is fucking evil
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And he's powerful. So doge. So here's how we're
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going to do it. We're going to kill a bunch of
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them. Yeah. So this is this is my theory. Patrick
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Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cummings, Rebecca
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Romaine, James Marsden, Channing Tatum. They're
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fucking dead. Right, we know the next phase after
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Secret Wars is the mutant saga, right? We're
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ending the multiverse saga. We're moving into
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the mutant saga. Feige is gonna want his own
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X -Men. Right? What better way to establish Doom
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as a bad guy and as a powerful bad guy than having
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him merc all of these people? Like halfway through
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the movie. No, yeah, it it makes sense and then
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it solves my issue of like having too much shit
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going on So I did this little thing right before
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the show right and this is the full list right
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Patrick Stewart professor X fucking dead Right
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dudes gonna kill him Ian McKellen Magneto dead
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Alan coming as nightcrawler dead Rebecca. We've
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made his mystique dead James Mars's Cyclops dead
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Jan and Tatum as Gambit, dead. Kelsey Grammer
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as Beast, dead. Right? I think that that first
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seven that's in that cast list, I think they're
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fucking dead. By the end of the movie, they're
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done. Because the names that I don't see on this
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list lead me to believe I think I know what's
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going to happen in Secret Wars. Right? And let's
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see if Jay agrees with me by the end of this.
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So we bring Doom in. He kills all these people
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during the cause of the incursion. Right. We've
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talked about incursions in the MCU. We talked
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about it in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
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of Madness. Right. And then at the end of the
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Marvels, Monica Rambeau ends up over in the X
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-Men universe. All right. So I think Chris Hemsworth
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is in there. He's part of the cast. I think he
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lives. I don't think they're going to kill off
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Thor. Vanessa Kirby is Sue Storm. She's not dying.
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Right. Anthony Mackie is Captain America. I'm
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pretty sure he's going to survive to doomsday
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or to secret wars. Sebastian Stan. I don't see
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him killing Bucky. Tell me, Jay, jump in here
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any time you disagree. I don't know. I could
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see Bucky dying. OK. Leticia Wright as our new
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Black Panther. This is the closest to a 50 -50
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that I've got. You'll notice on my list, I put
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them as 51%, right? That's because I think she
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lives, but I'm not sure. So I'm edging over to
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lives, but I can be convinced the other way.
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Paul Rudd is Ant -Man. I think he's dead. I think
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they're going to kill off Ant -Man. After how
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bad Ant -Man 3 was, Paul Rudd's getting up there
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in age, even though he looks like he's still
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29. I think they kill Ant -Man, and I think that
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that has emotional weight for the audience. Yeah,
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I agree. Wyatt Russell is dime store Captain
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America slash U .S. agent. I think he lives.
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He does have the super soldier serum now. He
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is a super soldier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Tenac
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Huerta Mejia. That's our new Namor. I think he
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lives. Right. I don't think they're going to
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kill off Namor yet. I don't think they're done.
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Ebenmas Baccarac. That's our new thing. He's
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he's not going to die. Simu Liu, Shang -Chi.
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He's not going to die. Florence Pugh as Yelena.
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This one I wrote is a tough call. I don't know.
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I just don't know. Where are we at? Lewis Pullman.
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That's our new sentry that we're about to see
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in Thunderbolts. I think he lives. Right. Danny
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Ramirez, which is our new Falcon that we saw
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in the new Captain America. I think he lives.
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Joseph Quinn, the new Human Torch. He's not going
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to die. David Harbour's Red Guardian. This is
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another one that I'm saying is a tough call.
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I love David Harbour's Red Guardian. I think
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the character is great. Loved him in Black Widow
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Every time I watch the Thunderbolts trailer,
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I love them. It's either they're either I do
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really like him and I think the audience really
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likes him it's either gonna be one of those things
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where they're not going to kill him off because
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they can't afford to or or They're going to kill
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him off to get that like emotional like Tuck
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on your heartstrings. Yeah Winston Duke as Mbacu.
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I think he lives and if they kill off Mbacu,
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I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Okay. Fucking. You
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better not kill off Mbacu. Hannah John came in
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as Ghost. She's in the new Thunderbolts movie.
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I wrote Who Cares? Tom Hiddleston is Loki. He's
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holding the universe together. I think he's the
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McGuffin of the movie. Yeah, I don't think I
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don't think you can just in general. I don't
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think they can afford to kill him off. He's the
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one holding the multiverse. Now, what they may
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do is kill him off at the very end. And that's
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the person that doom kills to start disentangling
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the universe. To build that world, right? Pedro
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Pascal, he's our new Mr. Fantastic. He'll be
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fine. And Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. He's
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obviously going to make it to secret wars, right?
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There would be no point killing off your Dr.
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Doom before you get to secret wars. Looking at
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this list. Is there any obvious like omissions
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from recent MCU history that you're like, why
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the fuck is this person not in there? Hmm. It's
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a good question. I guess like the only one that
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like I'm shocked that's not in it that like has
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made a really big impact in Marvel recently.
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It's Jeff the shark. No, I'm. I'm thinking. I
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guess like stuff. I don't know. I can. Wesley
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Snipes is really old now, but I would love to
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get a reboot of Blade. Well, they had they had
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casted Mahershala Ali as the new blade in the
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MCU, and that movie has been stuck in development
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hell for five years. Why? Why? Script is apparently
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been the problem. The script. This is the this
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is the shit that pisses me off. They can't get
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a script locked. It's a fucking comic book movie,
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bro. How many blade comic they're still selling
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blade comics. I shit storylines look Writing
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a screenplay is hard. I'll give them that Summoning
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the chap brought up the Eternals That's falling
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into the list of I think Marvel's just gonna
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try and hope we forget about that Kind of like
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secret Secret evasion like Barlow just doesn't
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want us to remember that secret evasion happened.
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We're just gonna Get that app it's fine So so
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the the omissions on this list This is what it
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makes me believe because the ones that strike
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me as odd right Given what they've done in the
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MCU in recent years the number one on the list
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that I went, huh? Is Miss Marvel. Right. OK,
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because we've established she is very powerful.
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Right. Critical. And they've got that whole next
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Gen Avengers thing kind of going like the post
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credit with her and Kate Bishop and things like
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that. Where the hell is vision? We know white
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visions out there somewhere. I mean, that's true.
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So that is true. Where's vision? I can understand.
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Look, Punisher, Punisher walks into this fight
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and he gets his ass whooped. Right. Daredevil
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walks into this fight and he's having a tough
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time. Yeah. I think the the and somebody in in
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a in a thread I was reading was like, why no
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Spider -Man? I think Spider -Man four is going
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to be kind of the the bridge movie between Doomsday
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and Secret Wars. I think that. They're going
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to deal with Spider -Man in Spider -Man 4, and
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then he'll be in Secret Wars. Because my theory
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is that most of these fools, most of them, are
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either dead, right, or in the case of our Fantastic
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Four, are taken off the board at the end of Doomsday.
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They're captured, they're fucking trapped in
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Battleworld, etc. Right? And that the part of
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the first part of the plot of Secret Wars is
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Spider -Man teaching because now he's kind of
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the veteran. Right. Think about it. He came into
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the MCU as the kid. Yeah. But now he's been through
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three Spider -Man movies, Civil War, Infinity
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War, Endgame. Right. At this point, he's kind
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of a veteran. Yeah, and so if you were gonna
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have somebody who was gonna train Miss Marvel
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Kate Bishop all these other people where he's
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a little bit older and he's kind of the veteran
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I think the first part of Secret Wars is gonna
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be him gathering them together and like Mentoring
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a new generation of superheroes Yeah Yeah, I
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mean like I agree with your logic there. That's
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I just that's my theory. I want it to be Like
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Old beer belly Peter Parker dad from across the
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spider I love that character The so that's my
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theory as to what they're doing And I think that
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we're going to get our new stuff. The other one
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that strikes me as weird is Hulk. We have no
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Hulk. Where the fuck did the Hulk go? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec. Where's
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our Hulk at? Right. Doom shows up and there's
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no Hulk. What was a Remind me. What was he doing
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and she hulk again? Oh, he he had just gotten
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back from sacar with his son Because they have
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the the barbecue scene at the end of she hulk
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Right Just for everybody's Is at the end of she
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hulk we have the barbecue scene where where Matt
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is hanging out with. With Jen's family. Right.
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And at the beginning, right. At the beginning
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of that scene, right. They're like, oh, no. You
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know, at the beginning of the season, he left
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to go to the car. Hang on, let me see if I can
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pull this up. So there you go. That was the last
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we saw of Bruce, but there's three hulks on Earth
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right now. There's - There's Bruce, his son,
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and Jen. So that's where I get a little messed
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up. Four. Oh no, you're right. Sorry, Chad is
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right. There are four hulks on earth because
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there's also a red hulk. That is true. There
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are now four hulks on earth and I don't see any
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of them on this list. To help fight Dr. Doom.
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Unless Dr. Doom. Because I. I don't consider
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Dr. Doom to be dumb at all. So unless Dr. Doom
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does something to immediately take out who he
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views as like the greatest threat to him, which
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I mean, for hulks, holy shit. Like, honestly,
00:18:30.789 --> 00:18:33.089
you're you know, the only way you're going to
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like. take on four Hulks at one time is like
00:18:35.829 --> 00:18:39.170
a Thanos snap. Like that's not you can't you
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can't fight for Hulks. I don't know. So I think
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he does something in the very beginning to like
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level the playing field, which. You know, so
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you're going to take out like your biggest competition,
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the Hulks Gambit, you know, because Professor
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X, Professor X Magneto, because Magneto is an
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Omega level mutant. Yeah. Right. So if we're
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talking about an incursion and the worlds are
00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:10.440
smashing together, right? So here's my theory.
00:19:11.259 --> 00:19:14.400
Dr. Doom is the one causing the incursion, right?
00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:18.039
He's like, I'm gonna pull these two worlds together.
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so i can fucking build my own world and he's
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gonna he's trying to create battle world he's
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trying to create his own world so he's pulling
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these worlds together maybe three of them the
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x -men world the fantastic four world because
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we know they don't start in the 616 in their
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movie and the mcu 616 world and then they all
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come together and then he starts taking people
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out like you said take out the biggest threats
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first right magneto is an omega level mutant
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goodbye right um Professor X Omega level mutant.
00:19:51.380 --> 00:19:55.099
Goodbye. Right. Got to kill all the X -Men. They're
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dangerous. Yeah. By the way, four hulks, one
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Dr. Doom, name of your sex tape right there.
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Oh, it's good. I want to see. I want to see.
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This is just me. OK, growing up, I grew up with
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the animated series, the X -Men. But I do do
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do do do do do do do do. My favorite character
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was Gambit. Mine, too. I have the original Gambit
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limited edition on this shelf. Right in there
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somewhere. OK, somewhere. The four episode one
00:20:39.700 --> 00:20:41.559
where he goes back and he's married to the head
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of the Assassin's Guild. Yes. Yes. I think I
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actually have that as well. I have that limited
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series. Yeah. I don't know. I want to see more.
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But here's the thing. It's a weird list. I think
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they want their own set of X -Men. I think they're
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bringing these guys in to kill them off and do
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some cool fights. I think we're going to get
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some awesome battle scenes. But I think Feige
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is going to want his own X -Men going into the
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mutant saga. Right. Yes, and also Patrick Stewart
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and Ian McKellen are a billion years old You're
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not gonna go into the mutant saga with Patrick
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Stewart and Ian McKellen in the positions of
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professor X and Magneto they're just too old
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kids. You're not gonna get him for another five
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years Five to seven years. They don't have that
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in them Quite frankly, I'm surprised they're
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back for this I love Gambit, but against him,
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did you watch the new X -Men one where he takes
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out that Sentinel chat? Yeah. Yeah, but God,
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that was so good when he takes out the Sentinel
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that stabs him. It's so good by himself, which
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this is my thing about the X -Men. It's not.
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Like, yeah, you have the Wolverine, but typically
00:22:09.869 --> 00:22:13.200
it's. It's all about them having to work together
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to take someone down. So like Gambit by himself
00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.099
is not much of a threat. Even like Wolverine,
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if they're fighting Magneto, Wolverine by himself
00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:25.000
is not a threat to Magneto. No, Magneto's whooped
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the shit out of Wolverine a couple of times.
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:31.119
Yeah. And ripped his fucking ripped his adamantium
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out. But so, yeah, Gambit can't take on Dr. Azou.
00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:40.670
Dr. Doom by himself almost said Dr. Zoom, which
00:22:40.670 --> 00:22:44.529
is a completely different villain there. But
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but no, it's a team. It's a team effort. God,
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let me have my fantasy. OK. I want I want Gambit.
00:22:52.509 --> 00:22:56.710
I want Gambit and Rogue. I want them to have
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a spinoff with their own little notes here. But
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no, and no, and a pack with this rogue. Yeah,
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right. She's not in this no fancy Jansen is Jean
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Grey. We're getting like half the X -Men crew
00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:12.579
back, but not all of them Yeah, which is kind
00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:16.900
of weird. I I So I did see some stuff. I don't
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think this is the end of the announcements I
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do think I agree with a lot of commentators I
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think there's gonna be more people in this movie
00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:24.019
that they haven't announced yet These are the
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ones that they've got in contract and they're
00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:30.279
ready to go Again, I think that you establish
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doom as a threat by killing off all the X -Men
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100 percent. And again, I think Spider -Man becomes
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.960
the leader. And this is the thing that the MCU
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.059
has been missing since Downey and Iron Man and
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Iron Man and Cap. I think that the problem that
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the the primary problem the MCU has had since
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the loss of Cap and Iron Man at the end of Endgame
00:23:57.619 --> 00:23:59.859
was they have not had a harder soul of the like.
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Iron Man and Cap were the two guys kind of driving
00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:06.650
everything along, right? And it was their dynamic
00:24:06.650 --> 00:24:08.049
and their personalities and everything else.
00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:11.410
And they haven't had that since they left. And
00:24:11.410 --> 00:24:14.910
Tom Holland's Spider -Man wasn't set up to be
00:24:14.910 --> 00:24:21.890
that yet. But I think Secret Wars can set Spider
00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:25.789
-Man up to be that driving force going forward.
00:24:26.789 --> 00:24:29.650
For the MCU and then you introduce a mutant or
00:24:29.650 --> 00:24:31.109
two in secret wars because you're going into
00:24:31.109 --> 00:24:35.150
the mutant saga, right? We get some mutants that
00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:36.970
spider -man's help me train in secret wars and
00:24:36.970 --> 00:24:39.829
they become your primary focus moving forward
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Our new Wolverine whoever that's gonna be I'm
00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:51.670
still rooting for Zac Efron I Don't care y 'all
00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.109
can make fun of me all you want he is my dark
00:24:54.109 --> 00:25:00.099
horse casting to play Wolverine Oh, God. Oh,
00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:05.180
fuck. I fight. Oh, God. What is his name? Shit.
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.160
Henry Cavill actually seeing him in the role.
00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:12.619
I was like, damn. He could he could do it. I
00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:14.799
think he could do it. He won't. He won't. He's
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.160
too old. Yeah, but he's he's in his 50s. Zach
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:27.759
Efron is only 37. Right. Henry is 50. Yeah. What?
00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.660
Sorry, he's 41. Sorry. OK, I was off by one.
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.220
He's my age. He's still old to be starting that
00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:39.740
franchise. Plus, he's got Warhammer. Yeah, no,
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.299
totally. Yeah. And he's got his stuff. But but
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:45.259
look at this. I'm sorry. Like, did you see him
00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:49.339
in that wrestling movie? Zac Efron? Yes. Well,
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.039
the iron claw. Mm hmm. Yes. So he can get built.
00:25:53.609 --> 00:25:57.230
Right. He's also closer to canonical Wolverine
00:25:57.230 --> 00:26:04.089
height Sure, he's five eight Okay, number one
00:26:04.089 --> 00:26:07.950
he's five eight number two he can get big like
00:26:07.950 --> 00:26:12.210
he can get burly right we've seen it right Number
00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:14.450
three by the way for everybody that's that's
00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:16.089
joking on this you guys don't remember cuz you're
00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:19.049
all too young People were fucking confused when
00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:22.609
they casted Hugh Jackman Hugh Jackman was a Broadway
00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:27.210
actor Before he became Wolverine everybody Yeah,
00:26:27.549 --> 00:26:31.769
everybody was like what? What? Here's the other
00:26:31.769 --> 00:26:37.890
thing And this is my favorite reason why? Okay
00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:45.029
It's fucking perfect Right if you guys haven't
00:26:45.029 --> 00:26:48.569
seen the greatest showman you need to watch that
00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:53.190
movie Okay, Zac Efron is a triple threat Much
00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:57.250
like Hugh Jackman, he can sing, he can dance,
00:26:57.329 --> 00:26:59.990
he's got the physicality. And again, he's closer
00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.049
to Wolverine's canonical height. We know he can
00:27:02.049 --> 00:27:04.309
get big and burly. We know he can do physical
00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:07.970
roles, right? Because again, he did that wrestling
00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:10.690
movie. He's done Baywatch. He did that one documentary
00:27:10.690 --> 00:27:11.990
series where he was wandering around the Earth.
00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.849
He is my dark horse to play in Wolverine. I want
00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.329
Zac Efron. Kevin Feige, if you're watching the
00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:26.059
show. Please cast Zac Efron as Wolverine. Some
00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:29.839
in the chat saying Elijah Wood. No. He's too
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:42.700
nice. Alan Richson, he wants to be Batman. Oh,
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.119
he's been begging. Did you not see that? We're
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.470
getting off topic. But I will say, I could...
00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:52.589
God, I could see him as Batman. The guy is fucking
00:27:52.589 --> 00:27:55.829
huge. He said you wouldn't even have to pay me.
00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:59.930
There was a quote that he said. He said, I would
00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:08.769
play Batman for free. I... Oh, God. Here's the
00:28:08.769 --> 00:28:10.910
quote from Alan Rickson. I get asked every day
00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:13.670
if I'm playing Batman. Yeah. Would I play Batman?
00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.809
Yes. Would I pay handsomely to pay Batman? You
00:28:16.809 --> 00:28:19.210
wouldn't have to pay me to be Batman. I would
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:22.269
don the suit in Batman voice. Gotham is mine.
00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:26.349
Right. Could I see him as Bruce Wayne? Yeah,
00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:33.750
I can. He's pretty and he's pretty. Yeah, I could
00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:36.230
totally see Alan Rich in this Batman. I don't
00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:38.150
think it's going to happen. Let's get back to
00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:44.089
Marvel. I know. Again, so that's my theory about
00:28:44.089 --> 00:28:47.069
this Doomsday cast. It's a really weird list.
00:28:51.569 --> 00:28:56.109
Again, there's only a couple there that I was
00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.950
like, why is it? I understand why Dr. Strange
00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:00.690
isn't there. I think he'll get pulled in for
00:29:00.690 --> 00:29:02.650
secret ores. Benedict Cumberbatch has already
00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:04.769
confirmed he's not in Doomsday. He's going to
00:29:04.769 --> 00:29:06.950
be in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Multiverse
00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:08.789
of Madness, he went wandering off the Multiverse
00:29:08.789 --> 00:29:11.730
with Charlize Theron. I think that the incursions
00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:13.950
happened and he comes back at the end of Doomsday,
00:29:14.089 --> 00:29:16.730
beginning of Secret Wars, to assist Spider -Man
00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:25.069
in winning the war against Doom. Right? Oh, you
00:29:25.069 --> 00:29:27.039
know what would be really fun? To riff off this
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.619
idea, Spider -Man's training the new thing. We
00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:32.200
all know Doom hates the Fantastic Four, right?
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.859
Yeah. So he's captured the Fantastic Four and
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.000
he's taking them off the board, right? And they're
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.539
at different locations around Battleworld, right?
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.299
So what Spider -Man has got to do is he's got
00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:44.339
to lead his team of new brand new kiddie heroes
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:48.740
like Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, et cetera. Somebody
00:29:48.740 --> 00:29:54.099
brought it up in the chat. Ant -Man's daughter,
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.980
right? We take all of them and they've got to
00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:59.460
go rescue all the members of the fantastic four
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:04.359
So that they can actually fight doom This sounds
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.480
this sounds like the plot of a video game. It
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.539
sounds like the plot of a comic book probably
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:14.400
seven comic books that we've read Right, I I
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.640
could see that uh Last casting day to be dropped
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.160
a summer blockbuster season approaches in secret
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:27.039
in doomsday I don't think they're gonna drop
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.680
anymore. They're in production now. That was
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.359
the other reason they did the announcement yesterday.
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.240
It's production, not pre -production. The script
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.759
is locked for Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.420
done, right? Their scripts are locked and they're
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.779
greenlit. Production has officially started.
00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:49.740
They're filming. That's the other reason I think
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:51.220
spider -man's out there is I don't think he's
00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:52.900
I think he's because he's doing the Chris Nolan
00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.099
one right now He's filming the Odyssey right
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.440
this second and he goes to the spider -man for
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:05.799
later this summer. Ah Geez I Don't think we're
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.099
gonna get any more casting names to you No, I
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.619
think this is it I'm gonna be really curious
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.259
to see the post credit scenes in Thunderbolts
00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:20.809
and Fantastic Four now 100 percent. Yes. Because
00:31:20.809 --> 00:31:23.849
that's going to set everything up, set everything
00:31:23.849 --> 00:31:27.250
up unless they do something somebody else brought
00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:31.250
up Star Lord. Where the fuck it's so again, key
00:31:31.250 --> 00:31:32.750
ones that we're missing and I'm curious how they're
00:31:32.750 --> 00:31:33.970
going to take them out, how dooms going to take
00:31:33.970 --> 00:31:37.589
them off the board. Star Lord is on Earth. Yes.
00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:40.349
He's chilling with Grandpa. Yeah, he's eating
00:31:40.349 --> 00:31:42.569
a bowl of cereal. Last time we saw him. Right.
00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:49.799
Yes. But he's still a half celestial. Right.
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.579
Four Hulks. Star Lord. Right. Again, I'm not
00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.059
even thinking about the street level guys, Daredevil,
00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:02.140
Pondisher, any of them, because this is above
00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:08.480
their level. Right. How do I think they're going
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.660
to make Downey work his doom without us auto
00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:12.700
seeing Tony Stark? I think that initially you're
00:32:12.700 --> 00:32:15.839
not going to see his face. Yes, 100 percent.
00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:19.180
You're not going to see his face initially. I
00:32:19.180 --> 00:32:22.559
think that's gonna be the big twist, right? Again,
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.299
I think you're gonna see the X -Men at the beginning
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.819
of the film. I think he's gonna cause the incursion.
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.500
I think he's gonna merc all the X -Men, right?
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.859
And I think it's gonna be, again, going on this
00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:37.019
list, if you want the biggest bang for your buck,
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.099
it's Thor. Thor is fighting Doom, right? And
00:32:42.099 --> 00:32:44.259
again, if we use, like, Doom at his most powerful,
00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:46.839
he uses a combination of technology and magic.
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.000
He uses both, right? So he's doing like spinny
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.920
shit like Stephen Strange in an Iron Man suit
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:59.960
basically, right? And he's fighting Thor and
00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:08.519
Thor knocks his mask off With Stormbreaker And
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.420
they're looking at Thor is Tony Stark's face
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.480
That would be better if they hadn't already told
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.299
us the only reason I think they told us is I
00:33:25.299 --> 00:33:27.079
don't think they thought they could keep it secret
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.940
I think there was there was I think they thought
00:33:30.940 --> 00:33:36.000
there was no way on the planet. It wouldn't leak
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.579
Look at the Andrew and Toby shit from spider
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:41.339
-man that shit leaked and Marvel did everything
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:43.599
under the Sun to include having Andrew Garfield
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.240
deny left right and sideways that he was in the
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.180
new spider -man He fucking that guy lied for
00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:53.579
like six months Go look at the Andrew Garfield.
00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:55.180
He was doing press for other movies. Are you
00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:56.880
in the new spider -man? He's like, no, I wish
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.339
I was that would be cool that it added up He
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lied so convincingly for months, but everybody
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knew But I think I think if I remember correctly
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.780
he got in trouble with Sony Way back in the day
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for accidentally like leaking shit or something
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too. Yeah, I could see spider -man I'm asking
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do too. Yes, I could too. But again, I don't
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think spider -man is in this movie I think they're
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gonna deal with how he interacts with Doomsday
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in his movie. When does Spider -Man 4 come out?
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Hang on. It's next year. Yeah, next July. So,
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Secret Wars will come out, or sorry, Doomsday
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will come out, Spider -Man will come out between
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it and Doomsday. And if you remember, Ant -Man
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did the same thing, right? We had Infinity War.
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Ant -Man came out in the middle, took place right
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before Infinity War, and then right during that
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post -credits scene everybody got dusted and
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Ant -Man was stuck in the quantum realm, which
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sets up everything that happens in Endgame. I
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think that the Spider -Man 4 movie is going to
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set up what happens in... Doomsday. Or in Secret
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Wars. That'd be my guess. I don't know. But all
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I know is fucking I'm going to use my AMCA list.
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I'm going to have to edit the snot out of this.
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Let us know what you think down in the comments
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below. Are we done seeing casting news? Was there
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anything that surprised you? Was this the stupidest
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way to announce the cast ever? Five and a half
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hour live stream showing me a new chair every
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12 minutes. Feige, what were you thinking? All
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right. Let us know down in the comments below.
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in what can only be considered an absolutely
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bonehead way of announcing the core avengers
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doomsday cast unveiling a new director's chair
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every 12 minutes with the name of the cast members
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uh what should have been like a five minute announcement
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uh turned into a boring five and a half hour
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event god they literally it was it was like every
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12 minutes we're gonna pan to a new chair that's
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empty with somebody's name in it. Like, I don't
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know what you were thinking, Feige, but let's
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move on from that. Regardless, we now have what
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appears to be the full primary cast for the next
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Avengers film, and there's some surprises in
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there, both in who's there and who's been left
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out. So we're going to talk about the cast announcement
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and what it makes us think about Avengers Doomsday.
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Jay, we were talking about this just before the
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show. What name shocked you? The most Channing
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Tatum. Channing Tatum, that was the one. That
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was the one. That was the one. I'll be honest,
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because we had seen Channing recently as Gambit.
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The one that got me was Alan Cummings. Because
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we have not seen Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler
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since X2. Oh. Right and what year was that what
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year did x2 release? Oh my god? It's a segment
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quiz with Alex now 2003 2003 is when x2 came
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out See yeah, we're gonna go through the whole
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list here in just a second, right again some
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of them makes sense to me. I'm like, yeah, you
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need some core OG Avengers. Some of the new people
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that the MCU has, you know, brought in, like
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Shang -Chi, right? We love Shang -Chi. Simu Liu
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is a treasure, right? The Fantastic Four. We're
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expecting them, right? That comes out this summer,
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right? Here's where we get to it. We had a bunch
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of old school X -Men. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen,
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Alan Cumming, James Marsden and Rebecca Romaine.
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Right. And Jay's like racking his comic book
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brain right now, going, what the hell are they
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going to do? What are they going to do? Octokitty,
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what are they going to do? Seriously? Well, let's
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let's do this before we get a thing. That many
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X -Men characters were you expecting that many
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old school X -Men characters Kelsey Grammer?
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No, I'm not at all so It kind of honestly kind
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of worries me that They're going to have too
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much going on for one movie, but you know, we'll
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see Jay is for those that listen to this audio
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only possibly you're listening to this in the
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background on your YouTube app Jay is physically
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grimacing right now and has been grimacing since
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the beginning of this. What is happening? OK.
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This we're going to theory and yes, we're going
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to read through them all, but this is where we're
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going to get into theory crafting a little bit.
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This is a new Avengers level threat, right? Like
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Thanos. We have to establish immediately that
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doom is both bad. And because we haven't we haven't
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introduced doom yet. Nobody's seen Dr. Doom Right
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in the MCU, right? Cuz you gotta remember mainstream
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audiences, right? And to we have to establish
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the fact that he's fucking powerful Right. We
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have to make him powerful So, how do we do that?
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How do we and there's been some speculation some
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of the channels I watch about how do we how do
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we very quickly establish? Doom is fucking evil
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And he's powerful. So doge. So here's how we're
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going to do it. We're going to kill a bunch of
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them. Yeah. So this is this is my theory. Patrick
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Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cummings, Rebecca
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Romaine, James Marsden, Channing Tatum. They're
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fucking dead. Right, we know the next phase after
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Secret Wars is the mutant saga, right? We're
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ending the multiverse saga. We're moving into
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the mutant saga. Feige is gonna want his own
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X -Men. Right? What better way to establish Doom
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as a bad guy and as a powerful bad guy than having
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him merc all of these people? Like halfway through
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the movie. No, yeah, it it makes sense and then
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it solves my issue of like having too much shit
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going on So I did this little thing right before
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the show right and this is the full list right
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Patrick Stewart professor X fucking dead Right
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dudes gonna kill him Ian McKellen Magneto dead
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Alan coming as nightcrawler dead Rebecca. We've
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made his mystique dead James Mars's Cyclops dead
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Jan and Tatum as Gambit, dead. Kelsey Grammer
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as Beast, dead. Right? I think that that first
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seven that's in that cast list, I think they're
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fucking dead. By the end of the movie, they're
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done. Because the names that I don't see on this
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list lead me to believe I think I know what's
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going to happen in Secret Wars. Right? And let's
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see if Jay agrees with me by the end of this.
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So we bring Doom in. He kills all these people
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during the cause of the incursion. Right. We've
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talked about incursions in the MCU. We talked
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about it in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
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of Madness. Right. And then at the end of the
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Marvels, Monica Rambeau ends up over in the X
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-Men universe. All right. So I think Chris Hemsworth
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is in there. He's part of the cast. I think he
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lives. I don't think they're going to kill off
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Thor. Vanessa Kirby is Sue Storm. She's not dying.
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Right. Anthony Mackie is Captain America. I'm
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pretty sure he's going to survive to doomsday
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or to secret wars. Sebastian Stan. I don't see
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him killing Bucky. Tell me, Jay, jump in here
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any time you disagree. I don't know. I could
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see Bucky dying. OK. Leticia Wright as our new
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Black Panther. This is the closest to a 50 -50
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that I've got. You'll notice on my list, I put
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them as 51%, right? That's because I think she
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lives, but I'm not sure. So I'm edging over to
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lives, but I can be convinced the other way.
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Paul Rudd is Ant -Man. I think he's dead. I think
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they're going to kill off Ant -Man. After how
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bad Ant -Man 3 was, Paul Rudd's getting up there
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in age, even though he looks like he's still
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29. I think they kill Ant -Man, and I think that
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that has emotional weight for the audience. Yeah,
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I agree. Wyatt Russell is dime store Captain
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America slash U .S. agent. I think he lives.
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He does have the super soldier serum now. He
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is a super soldier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Tenac
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Huerta Mejia. That's our new Namor. I think he
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lives. Right. I don't think they're going to
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kill off Namor yet. I don't think they're done.
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Ebenmas Baccarac. That's our new thing. He's
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he's not going to die. Simu Liu, Shang -Chi.
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He's not going to die. Florence Pugh as Yelena.
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This one I wrote is a tough call. I don't know.
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I just don't know. Where are we at? Lewis Pullman.
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That's our new sentry that we're about to see
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in Thunderbolts. I think he lives. Right. Danny
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Ramirez, which is our new Falcon that we saw
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in the new Captain America. I think he lives.
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Joseph Quinn, the new Human Torch. He's not going
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to die. David Harbour's Red Guardian. This is
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another one that I'm saying is a tough call.
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I love David Harbour's Red Guardian. I think
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the character is great. Loved him in Black Widow
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Every time I watch the Thunderbolts trailer,
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I love them. It's either they're either I do
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really like him and I think the audience really
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likes him it's either gonna be one of those things
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where they're not going to kill him off because
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they can't afford to or or They're going to kill
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him off to get that like emotional like Tuck
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on your heartstrings. Yeah Winston Duke as Mbacu.
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I think he lives and if they kill off Mbacu,
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I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Okay. Fucking. You
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better not kill off Mbacu. Hannah John came in
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as Ghost. She's in the new Thunderbolts movie.
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I wrote Who Cares? Tom Hiddleston is Loki. He's
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holding the universe together. I think he's the
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McGuffin of the movie. Yeah, I don't think I
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don't think you can just in general. I don't
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think they can afford to kill him off. He's the
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one holding the multiverse. Now, what they may
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do is kill him off at the very end. And that's
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the person that doom kills to start disentangling
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the universe. To build that world, right? Pedro
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Pascal, he's our new Mr. Fantastic. He'll be
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fine. And Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. He's
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obviously going to make it to secret wars, right?
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There would be no point killing off your Dr.
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Doom before you get to secret wars. Looking at
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this list. Is there any obvious like omissions
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from recent MCU history that you're like, why
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the fuck is this person not in there? Hmm. It's
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a good question. I guess like the only one that
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like I'm shocked that's not in it that like has
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made a really big impact in Marvel recently.
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It's Jeff the shark. No, I'm. I'm thinking. I
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guess like stuff. I don't know. I can. Wesley
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Snipes is really old now, but I would love to
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get a reboot of Blade. Well, they had they had
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casted Mahershala Ali as the new blade in the
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MCU, and that movie has been stuck in development
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hell for five years. Why? Why? Script is apparently
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been the problem. The script. This is the this
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is the shit that pisses me off. They can't get
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a script locked. It's a fucking comic book movie,
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bro. How many blade comic they're still selling
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blade comics. I shit storylines look Writing
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a screenplay is hard. I'll give them that Summoning
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the chap brought up the Eternals That's falling
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into the list of I think Marvel's just gonna
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try and hope we forget about that Kind of like
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secret Secret evasion like Barlow just doesn't
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want us to remember that secret evasion happened.
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We're just gonna Get that app it's fine So so
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the the omissions on this list This is what it
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makes me believe because the ones that strike
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me as odd right Given what they've done in the
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MCU in recent years the number one on the list
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that I went, huh? Is Miss Marvel. Right. OK,
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because we've established she is very powerful.
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Right. Critical. And they've got that whole next
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Gen Avengers thing kind of going like the post
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credit with her and Kate Bishop and things like
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that. Where the hell is vision? We know white
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visions out there somewhere. I mean, that's true.
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So that is true. Where's vision? I can understand.
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Look, Punisher, Punisher walks into this fight
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and he gets his ass whooped. Right. Daredevil
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walks into this fight and he's having a tough
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time. Yeah. I think the the and somebody in in
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a in a thread I was reading was like, why no
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Spider -Man? I think Spider -Man four is going
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to be kind of the the bridge movie between Doomsday
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and Secret Wars. I think that. They're going
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to deal with Spider -Man in Spider -Man 4, and
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then he'll be in Secret Wars. Because my theory
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is that most of these fools, most of them, are
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either dead, right, or in the case of our Fantastic
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Four, are taken off the board at the end of Doomsday.
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They're captured, they're fucking trapped in
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Battleworld, etc. Right? And that the part of
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the first part of the plot of Secret Wars is
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Spider -Man teaching because now he's kind of
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the veteran. Right. Think about it. He came into
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the MCU as the kid. Yeah. But now he's been through
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three Spider -Man movies, Civil War, Infinity
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War, Endgame. Right. At this point, he's kind
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of a veteran. Yeah, and so if you were gonna
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have somebody who was gonna train Miss Marvel
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Kate Bishop all these other people where he's
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a little bit older and he's kind of the veteran
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I think the first part of Secret Wars is gonna
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be him gathering them together and like Mentoring
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a new generation of superheroes Yeah Yeah, I
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mean like I agree with your logic there. That's
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I just that's my theory. I want it to be Like
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Old beer belly Peter Parker dad from across the
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spider I love that character The so that's my
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theory as to what they're doing And I think that
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we're going to get our new stuff. The other one
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that strikes me as weird is Hulk. We have no
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Hulk. Where the fuck did the Hulk go? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec. Where's
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our Hulk at? Right. Doom shows up and there's
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no Hulk. What was a Remind me. What was he doing
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and she hulk again? Oh, he he had just gotten
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back from sacar with his son Because they have
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the the barbecue scene at the end of she hulk
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Right Just for everybody's Is at the end of she
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hulk we have the barbecue scene where where Matt
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is hanging out with. With Jen's family. Right.
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And at the beginning, right. At the beginning
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of that scene, right. They're like, oh, no. You
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know, at the beginning of the season, he left
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to go to the car. Hang on, let me see if I can
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pull this up. So there you go. That was the last
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we saw of Bruce, but there's three hulks on Earth
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right now. There's - There's Bruce, his son,
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and Jen. So that's where I get a little messed
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up. Four. Oh no, you're right. Sorry, Chad is
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right. There are four hulks on earth because
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there's also a red hulk. That is true. There
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are now four hulks on earth and I don't see any
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of them on this list. To help fight Dr. Doom.
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Unless Dr. Doom. Because I. I don't consider
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Dr. Doom to be dumb at all. So unless Dr. Doom
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does something to immediately take out who he
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views as like the greatest threat to him, which
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I mean, for hulks, holy shit. Like, honestly,
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you're you know, the only way you're going to
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like. take on four Hulks at one time is like
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a Thanos snap. Like that's not you can't you
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can't fight for Hulks. I don't know. So I think
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he does something in the very beginning to like
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level the playing field, which. You know, so
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you're going to take out like your biggest competition,
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the Hulks Gambit, you know, because Professor
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X, Professor X Magneto, because Magneto is an
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Omega level mutant. Yeah. Right. So if we're
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talking about an incursion and the worlds are
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smashing together, right? So here's my theory.
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Dr. Doom is the one causing the incursion, right?
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He's like, I'm gonna pull these two worlds together.
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so i can fucking build my own world and he's
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gonna he's trying to create battle world he's
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trying to create his own world so he's pulling
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these worlds together maybe three of them the
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x -men world the fantastic four world because
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we know they don't start in the 616 in their
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movie and the mcu 616 world and then they all
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come together and then he starts taking people
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out like you said take out the biggest threats
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first right magneto is an omega level mutant
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goodbye right um Professor X Omega level mutant.
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Goodbye. Right. Got to kill all the X -Men. They're
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dangerous. Yeah. By the way, four hulks, one
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Dr. Doom, name of your sex tape right there.
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Oh, it's good. I want to see. I want to see.
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This is just me. OK, growing up, I grew up with
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the animated series, the X -Men. But I do do
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do do do do do do do do. My favorite character
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was Gambit. Mine, too. I have the original Gambit
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limited edition on this shelf. Right in there
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somewhere. OK, somewhere. The four episode one
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where he goes back and he's married to the head
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of the Assassin's Guild. Yes. Yes. I think I
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actually have that as well. I have that limited
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series. Yeah. I don't know. I want to see more.
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But here's the thing. It's a weird list. I think
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they want their own set of X -Men. I think they're
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bringing these guys in to kill them off and do
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some cool fights. I think we're going to get
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some awesome battle scenes. But I think Feige
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is going to want his own X -Men going into the
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mutant saga. Right. Yes, and also Patrick Stewart
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and Ian McKellen are a billion years old You're
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not gonna go into the mutant saga with Patrick
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Stewart and Ian McKellen in the positions of
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professor X and Magneto they're just too old
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kids. You're not gonna get him for another five
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years Five to seven years. They don't have that
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in them Quite frankly, I'm surprised they're
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back for this I love Gambit, but against him,
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did you watch the new X -Men one where he takes
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out that Sentinel chat? Yeah. Yeah, but God,
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that was so good when he takes out the Sentinel
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that stabs him. It's so good by himself, which
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this is my thing about the X -Men. It's not.
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Like, yeah, you have the Wolverine, but typically
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it's. It's all about them having to work together
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to take someone down. So like Gambit by himself
00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.099
is not much of a threat. Even like Wolverine,
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if they're fighting Magneto, Wolverine by himself
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is not a threat to Magneto. No, Magneto's whooped
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the shit out of Wolverine a couple of times.
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Yeah. And ripped his fucking ripped his adamantium
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out. But so, yeah, Gambit can't take on Dr. Azou.
00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:40.670
Dr. Doom by himself almost said Dr. Zoom, which
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is a completely different villain there. But
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but no, it's a team. It's a team effort. God,
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let me have my fantasy. OK. I want I want Gambit.
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I want Gambit and Rogue. I want them to have
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a spinoff with their own little notes here. But
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no, and no, and a pack with this rogue. Yeah,
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right. She's not in this no fancy Jansen is Jean
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Grey. We're getting like half the X -Men crew
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back, but not all of them Yeah, which is kind
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of weird. I I So I did see some stuff. I don't
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think this is the end of the announcements I
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do think I agree with a lot of commentators I
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think there's gonna be more people in this movie
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that they haven't announced yet These are the
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ones that they've got in contract and they're
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ready to go Again, I think that you establish
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doom as a threat by killing off all the X -Men
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100 percent. And again, I think Spider -Man becomes
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the leader. And this is the thing that the MCU
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has been missing since Downey and Iron Man and
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Iron Man and Cap. I think that the problem that
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the the primary problem the MCU has had since
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the loss of Cap and Iron Man at the end of Endgame
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was they have not had a harder soul of the like.
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Iron Man and Cap were the two guys kind of driving
00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:06.650
everything along, right? And it was their dynamic
00:24:06.650 --> 00:24:08.049
and their personalities and everything else.
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And they haven't had that since they left. And
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Tom Holland's Spider -Man wasn't set up to be
00:24:14.910 --> 00:24:21.890
that yet. But I think Secret Wars can set Spider
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-Man up to be that driving force going forward.
00:24:26.789 --> 00:24:29.650
For the MCU and then you introduce a mutant or
00:24:29.650 --> 00:24:31.109
two in secret wars because you're going into
00:24:31.109 --> 00:24:35.150
the mutant saga, right? We get some mutants that
00:24:35.150 --> 00:24:36.970
spider -man's help me train in secret wars and
00:24:36.970 --> 00:24:39.829
they become your primary focus moving forward
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Our new Wolverine whoever that's gonna be I'm
00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:51.670
still rooting for Zac Efron I Don't care y 'all
00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.109
can make fun of me all you want he is my dark
00:24:54.109 --> 00:25:00.099
horse casting to play Wolverine Oh, God. Oh,
00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:05.180
fuck. I fight. Oh, God. What is his name? Shit.
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.160
Henry Cavill actually seeing him in the role.
00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:12.619
I was like, damn. He could he could do it. I
00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:14.799
think he could do it. He won't. He won't. He's
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.160
too old. Yeah, but he's he's in his 50s. Zach
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:27.759
Efron is only 37. Right. Henry is 50. Yeah. What?
00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.660
Sorry, he's 41. Sorry. OK, I was off by one.
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.220
He's my age. He's still old to be starting that
00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:39.740
franchise. Plus, he's got Warhammer. Yeah, no,
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.299
totally. Yeah. And he's got his stuff. But but
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:45.259
look at this. I'm sorry. Like, did you see him
00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:49.339
in that wrestling movie? Zac Efron? Yes. Well,
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.039
the iron claw. Mm hmm. Yes. So he can get built.
00:25:53.609 --> 00:25:57.230
Right. He's also closer to canonical Wolverine
00:25:57.230 --> 00:26:04.089
height Sure, he's five eight Okay, number one
00:26:04.089 --> 00:26:07.950
he's five eight number two he can get big like
00:26:07.950 --> 00:26:12.210
he can get burly right we've seen it right Number
00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:14.450
three by the way for everybody that's that's
00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:16.089
joking on this you guys don't remember cuz you're
00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:19.049
all too young People were fucking confused when
00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:22.609
they casted Hugh Jackman Hugh Jackman was a Broadway
00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:27.210
actor Before he became Wolverine everybody Yeah,
00:26:27.549 --> 00:26:31.769
everybody was like what? What? Here's the other
00:26:31.769 --> 00:26:37.890
thing And this is my favorite reason why? Okay
00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:45.029
It's fucking perfect Right if you guys haven't
00:26:45.029 --> 00:26:48.569
seen the greatest showman you need to watch that
00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:53.190
movie Okay, Zac Efron is a triple threat Much
00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:57.250
like Hugh Jackman, he can sing, he can dance,
00:26:57.329 --> 00:26:59.990
he's got the physicality. And again, he's closer
00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.049
to Wolverine's canonical height. We know he can
00:27:02.049 --> 00:27:04.309
get big and burly. We know he can do physical
00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:07.970
roles, right? Because again, he did that wrestling
00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:10.690
movie. He's done Baywatch. He did that one documentary
00:27:10.690 --> 00:27:11.990
series where he was wandering around the Earth.
00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.849
He is my dark horse to play in Wolverine. I want
00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:18.329
Zac Efron. Kevin Feige, if you're watching the
00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:26.059
show. Please cast Zac Efron as Wolverine. Some
00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:29.839
in the chat saying Elijah Wood. No. He's too
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:42.700
nice. Alan Richson, he wants to be Batman. Oh,
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.119
he's been begging. Did you not see that? We're
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.470
getting off topic. But I will say, I could...
00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:52.589
God, I could see him as Batman. The guy is fucking
00:27:52.589 --> 00:27:55.829
huge. He said you wouldn't even have to pay me.
00:27:56.029 --> 00:27:59.930
There was a quote that he said. He said, I would
00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:08.769
play Batman for free. I... Oh, God. Here's the
00:28:08.769 --> 00:28:10.910
quote from Alan Rickson. I get asked every day
00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:13.670
if I'm playing Batman. Yeah. Would I play Batman?
00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.809
Yes. Would I pay handsomely to pay Batman? You
00:28:16.809 --> 00:28:19.210
wouldn't have to pay me to be Batman. I would
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:22.269
don the suit in Batman voice. Gotham is mine.
00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:26.349
Right. Could I see him as Bruce Wayne? Yeah,
00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:33.750
I can. He's pretty and he's pretty. Yeah, I could
00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:36.230
totally see Alan Rich in this Batman. I don't
00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:38.150
think it's going to happen. Let's get back to
00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:44.089
Marvel. I know. Again, so that's my theory about
00:28:44.089 --> 00:28:47.069
this Doomsday cast. It's a really weird list.
00:28:51.569 --> 00:28:56.109
Again, there's only a couple there that I was
00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.950
like, why is it? I understand why Dr. Strange
00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:00.690
isn't there. I think he'll get pulled in for
00:29:00.690 --> 00:29:02.650
secret ores. Benedict Cumberbatch has already
00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:04.769
confirmed he's not in Doomsday. He's going to
00:29:04.769 --> 00:29:06.950
be in Secret Wars. Remember at the end of Multiverse
00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:08.789
of Madness, he went wandering off the Multiverse
00:29:08.789 --> 00:29:11.730
with Charlize Theron. I think that the incursions
00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:13.950
happened and he comes back at the end of Doomsday,
00:29:14.089 --> 00:29:16.730
beginning of Secret Wars, to assist Spider -Man
00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:25.069
in winning the war against Doom. Right? Oh, you
00:29:25.069 --> 00:29:27.039
know what would be really fun? To riff off this
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.619
idea, Spider -Man's training the new thing. We
00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:32.200
all know Doom hates the Fantastic Four, right?
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.859
Yeah. So he's captured the Fantastic Four and
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.000
he's taking them off the board, right? And they're
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.539
at different locations around Battleworld, right?
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.299
So what Spider -Man has got to do is he's got
00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:44.339
to lead his team of new brand new kiddie heroes
00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:48.740
like Miss Marvel, Kate Bishop, et cetera. Somebody
00:29:48.740 --> 00:29:54.099
brought it up in the chat. Ant -Man's daughter,
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.980
right? We take all of them and they've got to
00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:59.460
go rescue all the members of the fantastic four
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:04.359
So that they can actually fight doom This sounds
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.480
this sounds like the plot of a video game. It
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.539
sounds like the plot of a comic book probably
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:14.400
seven comic books that we've read Right, I I
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.640
could see that uh Last casting day to be dropped
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.160
a summer blockbuster season approaches in secret
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:27.039
in doomsday I don't think they're gonna drop
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.680
anymore. They're in production now. That was
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.359
the other reason they did the announcement yesterday.
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.240
It's production, not pre -production. The script
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.759
is locked for Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.420
done, right? Their scripts are locked and they're
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.779
greenlit. Production has officially started.
00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:49.740
They're filming. That's the other reason I think
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:51.220
spider -man's out there is I don't think he's
00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:52.900
I think he's because he's doing the Chris Nolan
00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.099
one right now He's filming the Odyssey right
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.440
this second and he goes to the spider -man for
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:05.799
later this summer. Ah Geez I Don't think we're
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.099
gonna get any more casting names to you No, I
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.619
think this is it I'm gonna be really curious
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.259
to see the post credit scenes in Thunderbolts
00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:20.809
and Fantastic Four now 100 percent. Yes. Because
00:31:20.809 --> 00:31:23.849
that's going to set everything up, set everything
00:31:23.849 --> 00:31:27.250
up unless they do something somebody else brought
00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:31.250
up Star Lord. Where the fuck it's so again, key
00:31:31.250 --> 00:31:32.750
ones that we're missing and I'm curious how they're
00:31:32.750 --> 00:31:33.970
going to take them out, how dooms going to take
00:31:33.970 --> 00:31:37.589
them off the board. Star Lord is on Earth. Yes.
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He's chilling with Grandpa. Yeah, he's eating
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a bowl of cereal. Last time we saw him. Right.
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Yes. But he's still a half celestial. Right.
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Four Hulks. Star Lord. Right. Again, I'm not
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even thinking about the street level guys, Daredevil,
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Pondisher, any of them, because this is above
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their level. Right. How do I think they're going
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to make Downey work his doom without us auto
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seeing Tony Stark? I think that initially you're
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not going to see his face. Yes, 100 percent.
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You're not going to see his face initially. I
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think that's gonna be the big twist, right? Again,
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I think you're gonna see the X -Men at the beginning
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of the film. I think he's gonna cause the incursion.
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I think he's gonna merc all the X -Men, right?
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And I think it's gonna be, again, going on this
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list, if you want the biggest bang for your buck,
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it's Thor. Thor is fighting Doom, right? And
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again, if we use, like, Doom at his most powerful,
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he uses a combination of technology and magic.
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He uses both, right? So he's doing like spinny
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shit like Stephen Strange in an Iron Man suit
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basically, right? And he's fighting Thor and
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Thor knocks his mask off With Stormbreaker And
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they're looking at Thor is Tony Stark's face
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That would be better if they hadn't already told
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us the only reason I think they told us is I
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don't think they thought they could keep it secret
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I think there was there was I think they thought
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there was no way on the planet. It wouldn't leak
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Look at the Andrew and Toby shit from spider
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-man that shit leaked and Marvel did everything
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under the Sun to include having Andrew Garfield
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deny left right and sideways that he was in the
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new spider -man He fucking that guy lied for
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like six months Go look at the Andrew Garfield.
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He was doing press for other movies. Are you
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in the new spider -man? He's like, no, I wish
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I was that would be cool that it added up He
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lied so convincingly for months, but everybody
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knew But I think I think if I remember correctly
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.780
he got in trouble with Sony Way back in the day
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for accidentally like leaking shit or something
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too. Yeah, I could see spider -man I'm asking
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.019
do too. Yes, I could too. But again, I don't
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think spider -man is in this movie I think they're
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gonna deal with how he interacts with Doomsday
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in his movie. When does Spider -Man 4 come out?
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Hang on. It's next year. Yeah, next July. So,
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Secret Wars will come out, or sorry, Doomsday
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will come out, Spider -Man will come out between
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it and Doomsday. And if you remember, Ant -Man
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did the same thing, right? We had Infinity War.
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Ant -Man came out in the middle, took place right
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before Infinity War, and then right during that
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post -credits scene everybody got dusted and
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Ant -Man was stuck in the quantum realm, which
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sets up everything that happens in Endgame. I
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think that the Spider -Man 4 movie is going to
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set up what happens in... Doomsday. Or in Secret
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Wars. That'd be my guess. I don't know. But all
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I know is fucking I'm going to use my AMCA list.
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list. Yes. Anyway, this is a 35 minute segment.
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I'm going to have to edit the snot out of this.
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Let us know what you think down in the comments
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below. Are we done seeing casting news? Was there
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anything that surprised you? Was this the stupidest
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way to announce the cast ever? Five and a half
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hour live stream showing me a new chair every
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12 minutes. Feige, what were you thinking? All
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right. Let us know down in the comments below.
