Action Button for Ring Tones with Evan Stone

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Leo Dion (home): Welcome to
another episode of Empower Apps.

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I'm your host Leo Dion.

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Today I'm joined by Evan Stone.

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Hey Evan, thank you again for coming
on for this very special episode.

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Evan Stone (guest): Thanks
for having me on, Leo.

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Appreciate it.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

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Before we begin, I'll let you
go ahead and introduce yourself.

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Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah, I'm Evan
Stone and I live in California and I'm

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an iOS developer for MartianCraft and I
also have a podcast called iOS Dev Break

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and I'm also working on a A community,
a virtual co working community for

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iOS, Swift, Mac developers, etc.

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Called Swift Remote Studio.

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And that is still going well.

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And so, yeah that's pretty
much about me right now.

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I have some side projects and things
going on too, but mostly what I've

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been focusing on is those other
things and the jobby job work.

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Wonderlust,

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Leo Dion (home): Cool.

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We had you on previously.

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Was it last year to talk about UI kit?

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So I'm really happy to have you back on.

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You've been an awesome guest and we
have a very special episode today

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to talk about the Apple event.

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So what are your like overall
thoughts on how it went?

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Evan Stone (guest): let's see I thought
it went, I thought it went really well.

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Actually, it's funny, my
reactions afterwards were that

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I wasn't really, the things that
impressed me about it were not

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the things that I was expecting.

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So, they threw some curves in there
that I thought were pretty cool.

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And so I thought it was
a great event, actually.

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It went way better than I was expecting,
because I thought it was going to be

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ho hum, like, I don't know what they
can really, what can they beat from

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last year and what can they, Do that
will be more impressive than the vision

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pro, which they announced at WWDC.

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So, but I think they, they
did a pretty good job.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, I think
it was not what I, it was

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what I expected and not what I
expected both at the same time.

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What you're saying.

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And like you said, I was impressed
by things that I didn't think I

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was going to be impressed with.

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And I think we talked offline about
like my plans as far as purchasing

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and now I'm like, okay, I was wrong.

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Evan Stone (guest): Right?

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Me too.

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Me

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Leo Dion (home): there was
something I was holding out for

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that was like, unless I have that,
I wouldn't buy a brand new one.

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Now I'm like, yeah, okay,
now I got to buy a brand new

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one and we'll get into it.

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But yeah, this was the year I was
planning on spending some money,

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so I'd already saved up for it.

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And, yeah, so we'll start

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Evan Stone (guest): was smart.

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Leo Dion (home): we'll start off
talking about let's start off

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talking about the the Apple watch.

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Let's go with that.

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So I had been holding out for
an Apple watch for quite a while

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because quite frankly there really
hasn't been anything new in like

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the three or four years, like
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It's really been boring.

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Are you in how involved of
an Apple watch user are you?

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Evan Stone (guest): I'm, there
are probably different levels,

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right, of Apple Watch usage.

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I use it all the time
for my fitness stuff.

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I have the watch on all the time.

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And I am currently rocking a Series 4.

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And, what I, what yeah, and with
the Apple event coming up...

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My plans were originally, see
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But probably I would go with the series
nine whatever that was, whatever,

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beforehand, I had mostly just because I
wanted to get something that, if I could

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just replace the straight up, with the
series nine the wider 45 millimeter or

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whatever, then I would probably be okay.

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The thing that was really
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this happened just within the
last maybe two weeks, is that my.

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Battery levels, it just started
dropping like plummeting.

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It's almost like it knew that

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Leo Dion (home): you're not
on the beta or anything.

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Evan Stone (guest): It started before
the beta and then I switched to

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the beta and it seemed to improve
a little bit and then it went Back

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Leo Dion (home): Okay.

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Okay.

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Evan Stone (guest): the way it was
before I think it's just from age,

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because you know It's a series four.

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So that's what four or five years
ago, you know that I got it.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

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Evan Stone (guest): So yeah, so I
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what the options were for this year,

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Leo Dion (home): So what did
you end up going with, Evan?

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Evan Stone (guest): I haven't made
any purchases yet, but the problem is

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Leo Dion (home): some people.

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Evan Stone (guest): yeah, unlike
some people so I really feel like

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I want to go with the ultra too.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah,

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Evan Stone (guest): I'm sure we can
talk about what those, the features are,

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But I w I was already
leaning towards an ultra.

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But, before this, and so now yeah,
I don't know, there were some

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things there that made me think,
okay, I'm gonna do the Ultra 2.

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I, I, the reason I didn't do an Ultra
last year was because I tend to shy away

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from whatever the V1 version of a thing

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Leo Dion (home): Same here.

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Same here.

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Evan Stone (guest): having said that,
Vision Pro is probably a V1 thing that

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would be advantageous to take a look at.

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But But, so I thought I'll just wait
for the Ultra 2, and then, I don't know.

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So, my current thinking is, if I
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the Apple Watch Ultra 2, I think.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

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So I think I was leaning.

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So I was definitely going
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because this is the first year
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Finally.

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Every like 6, 7, 8 have all
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like totally been disappointing.

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That they haven't really
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I was leaning more towards the Ultra
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the watch, as well as the fact, just
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And it's like, okay,
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Evan Stone (guest): the wild,

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Leo Dion (home): People like
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So for me, it's like.

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Yeah, this is actually a
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everybody else is buying it.

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Totally not, I'm not going
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I'm not going to go deep sea diving.

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But, like, I really like the Apple Watch
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Let's do this.

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So, the thing that I was really
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that watch face that they showed off.

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Most of the new watch faces that
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And they're a little bit novelty
acts with like, okay, I like Peanuts

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just as much as the next guy,

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Evan Stone (guest): right

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Leo Dion (home): come on.

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How much Toy Story,
like, it's just like...

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Yeah, but like this new
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It's exactly what I want, is I want
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I can read an analog clock, but
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to do it, like, I don't want to
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And it has like a ton of information
out there, and I'm just like,

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this is exactly what I want.

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This is what I want, like, this
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like, yeah, I'm, I was already
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kind of sealed the deal for me.

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I was
I do Well, I haven't recently

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because I got a new bike accident
last year, but I was doing a lot

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of You know gearing up towards
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And so the ultra was really appealing
to me But then I had that accident

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It was at the beginning of last
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I'll wait and but now I'm starting
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And so I am thinking more in
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activities and having a more
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Leo Dion (home): life!

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The battery

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Evan Stone (guest): battery life.

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That's exactly what I was just
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Leo Dion (home): two, like the
other thing, yeah, I do running,

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I've done a half marathon, so I'm
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so, well, that would be super
helpful for me what was I gonna say?

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Oh, I was just gonna say, like,
yeah, you're never gonna see an ad

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of somebody sitting on the crapper
playing what's a good, what's a

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really horrible game that people play
where it has, like, all the gambling

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Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I don't know.

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Leo Dion (home): What's a jewel?

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Evan Stone (guest): Oh, yeah.

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Bejewel.

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And that's the classic one.

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I don't know what they do now.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, you're
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Cause that ad in the beginning
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lives saved by having an iPhone.

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It's all this inspirational
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little of it is like, oh.

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I love the iPhone 14 because
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com.

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Like you're just never
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So it's funny, just like reality
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Sorry.

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That was a total sideline, but yeah,

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Evan Stone (guest): it's true.

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I'm looking at the screenshots
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And yeah, it's very, yeah.

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The inspirational videos that they
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watch and iPhone save these people.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

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Evan Stone (guest): yeah.

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Very Apple.

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Leo Dion (home): And of course,
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all like these fancy 3D games.

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It's not like, Oh, this game really
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a ton of money with these addictive...

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It's like, no.

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It's like, let's do, let's talk about
really fancy games and stuff, so.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it,
so the iPhone, you can order the Apple

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Watch Ultra now, probably the Series
9 now, and it will be available on

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the 22nd, so, yeah, anything else you
want to mention about the Apple Watch?

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Evan Stone (guest): So yeah,
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So that's awesome.

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But it's not only on the ultra,
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claiming all day battery life, which
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battery life before before, before
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I thought that was interesting that
you can do name drop with the watch.

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Maybe that was something they
mentioned at WWDC that I missed.

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Leo Dion (home): Think so.

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That goes into the whole
new ultra wideband,

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Evan Stone (guest): Yes.

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Leo Dion (home): think.

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So the ultra wideband chip was
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we're getting a new version of that.

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And I think, so A, you get
better find my phone, right?

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And then on top of it, like,
I think the name drop on the

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watch is a new thing as well.

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

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Cause they, they're

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Leo Dion (home): believe you
need the new hardware or possibly

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their soft, they're only going
to allow it almost either way.

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Like I think namedrop was definitely
an iOS 17 thing, but as far as

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like, whether it's something like
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watch, I'm not sure about that.

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Evan Stone (guest): evidently,
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because they did mention Series
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Leo Dion (home): they'll, I
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Leo Dion (home): No new se this year.

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I
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And what do you think of the double tap?

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Leo Dion (home): so I was gonna,

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Evan Stone (guest):
that's supported on both.

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Leo Dion (home): I put a link in the
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something that they've introduced.

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And there's this, like,
Assistive touch stuff,

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Evan Stone (guest): right.

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Leo Dion (home): they have briefly
touched upon and had some videos on.

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And I'm curious about like how
it's related to assistive touch.

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Double tap is awesome.

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Like I wish there was
more stuff like that.

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As far as like, just allowing you to do
more gestures similar to what they're

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah,
it's a, it's exactly like it.

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It's the same gesture.

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And I wish there was more
stuff like that because.

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I just wish, I think I
mentioned it in the Slack.

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Like I wish I could do double
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the call and it just goes away.

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I would do the opposite thing.

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

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Can we have double

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Leo Dion (home): I'm in the
middle of something right now.

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Can I not answer this call?

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Like,

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Evan Stone (guest): Dismiss the call.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, exactly.

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Have you looked at any of
that assistive touch stuff?

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Evan Stone (guest): haven't, but
I thought it was very interesting

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when it, when they announced it,
because like you said, I think

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that was a year ago or two years.

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I don't, I'm not sure how long
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amazing that they can track that.

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that it that they have sensors in
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do any, watch development, but it

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would be interesting to see what
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If you can tap into that,
what you can do with it

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Leo Dion (home): let's see
what else I had in my notes.

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Evan Stone (guest): That's an
accessibility option that even

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah, it is.

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Evan Stone (guest): average watch
developer can tap into and do cool stuff

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with, it'd be pretty, pretty impressive.

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It was a cool skit.

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I liked the

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Evan Stone (guest): we could, yeah.

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That's what I would love.

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I, yeah, I thought that video was the
the environmental video was was fun.

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I'm not, I think it's good that Apple is
doing all of these environmental things.

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It's not necessarily a reason
for me to buy Apple products

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because of that, but I think it's
great that they're doing that.

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And and that video with
Octavia Spencer was that was.

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That was great.

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I, in fact, I want to watch it again
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entertaining And it made you think
about things like, huh, I wouldn't, it's

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interesting that they're doing these
environmental things like the carbon

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footprint elimination Going carbon
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Series 9 and the Ultra Depending on what
band you get and those kinds of things

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are they're interesting and it's great
that they're being very conscientious

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about that and it makes you think a
little bit more i think about the things

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that we do and you know do we find
that important i you know i think it's

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really cool that they're not only making
these amazing products but they're

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also doing those initiatives as well

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Leo Dion (home): Two things.

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One is I usually get the Nike watch and

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Evan Stone (guest): oh do you okay

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Leo Dion (home): looks awesome.

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Evan Stone (guest): yeah

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Leo Dion (home): it's too bad I
will not be getting a Nike watch,

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but I liked the little speckle
of recycled material in the band.

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I thought that looked really cool.

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And then the other, what's that?

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Evan Stone (guest): The Nike faces?

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I think did I miss I think I looked
away for a second and they showed

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some of the Nike faces and then the
last one that they showed in that

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video, I was like, what is that?

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Oh, it's a Nike face.

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I won't be getting a Nike
watch, so I won't have access

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to that, I don't think.

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Unless there's a way to get
the access to those faces.

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I didn't, I don't

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Leo Dion (home): I think they're,
even though they're software,

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I think they're locked out of

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Evan Stone (guest): Right.

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Like, it knows what type of watch it

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Leo Dion (home): Sorry, you
spent too much money on a watch.

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You can't get the

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Evan Stone (guest): Right.

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Leo Dion (home): And then, yeah, I I
always wonder, and I don't know if you

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know the answer to this or if anybody
else does, feel free to chime in,

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but how does the environmental stuff
affect, like, the fact that Apple

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like they assemble a lot of stuff, but
they don't really make a lot of stuff.

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If you know what I mean?

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Like the screen comes from Samsung,
the chip comes from Foxconn.

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Like how does that carry down their
environmental initiatives when it

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comes to the actual, like whatever you

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Evan Stone (guest): Their third
party folks that they work

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Leo Dion (home): or whatever.

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I don't know.

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It's a good question.

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

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That's a good question.

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But Hey.

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Evan Stone (guest): Apple strikes me
as the type to be able to use their

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influence, to motivate the people they
work with to go in that direction.

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Whether they would or not, or
whether they do or not, I don't know.

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But throw a little more money
at the problem, maybe that

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would help, or I don't know.

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It's an interesting question, though.

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Leo Dion (home): IPhone 15.

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Are you buying an iPhone 15?

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Evan Stone (guest):
It was not on my list.

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Until I saw two things.

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Even the USB C was not
really enough to motivate me.

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I thought that's great.

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I love the convenience of
now my iPad Pro and my, the

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phone would have the same.

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And even the AirPods Pro.

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I thought that was great too.

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They converted that as well.

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But so iPhone 15, I
was not planning on it.

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Until I saw a, the titanium

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Leo Dion (home): Well,
that's a pro that's a pro.

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Let's just talk about the

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Evan Stone (guest): Oh 15.

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Okay.

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Regular.

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No, it's not on my radar.

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Leo Dion (home): My initial thought
was like, I'd rather get an iPhone

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14 Pro that has a bunch of other
bells and whistles attached to it,

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than get an iPhone 15 at this point.

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Because it's like, yeah, you save 100.

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I want to try out the Dynamic Island.

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Like, that's the thing, is I have
an old enough phone now that, and

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going back to what you said, like,
the V1 is never like, I'd rather

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get the V2 of something, and Dynamic
Island is a classic example of that.

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So it was like, I'm either
going to get a 14 or a 15.

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So, yeah, so like, I just don't like
you get so many features with the 14

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pro over the 15, like the promotion
always on screen, probably like it

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just, and probably the cameras honestly,
probably better, even though there

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might be some more fancy machine
learning in the 15, I would assume

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you get a better camera on the 14 pro.

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So it's like, yeah, I don't know.

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That's my thinking.

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Evan Stone (guest): I got the
sense that it's, it felt like

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the camera from the 14 pro.

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Was in the 15, but I
could be wrong about that.

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I'm not a, camera photography
guy So I don't keep track of,

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excuse me, I don't keep track
of all of those details, super

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Leo Dion (home): the 15 Pro has
three lenses as opposed to the 14,

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er, 15 has only two lenses, the
14 Pro always has the three lens.

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So, you, I don't see how you would
ever get a better camera, technically.

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So, yeah, right.

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Evan Stone (guest): No, that's
probably a good strategy If you're

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trying, if you're just deciding
between those two options, like,

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at this point 14 Pro would probably
still be a better option than a 15 Or

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Leo Dion (home): yeah, so,

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Evan Stone (guest): the 15
plus I totally forgot about

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the 15 plus, you know that

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Leo Dion (home): do you like,
are you a big screen person

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or a small screen person?

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Evan Stone (guest): yeah, I'm
I've always had ever since the

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six plus I've gone with the
oh, I'm sorry I take that back.

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I did get an iPhone 10, but the
next phone after the iPhone 10 I

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was back to the large displays.

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So So, yeah I have a 14 pro max right
now, and I think I'm gonna stick with

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that even though every once in a while
I, like if I go, if I ask my wife for

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her phone, she has a 12 PRO, and I go
this is actually not a bad form factor

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Leo Dion (home): What do you feel like
you gain out of I have a Max as well,

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like, and I don't know if I'd go Max,
say, with Max or go with regular Pro.

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What do you like, what's
your feeling on it?

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Evan Stone (guest): I just,
I like the larger screen.

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I feel like it.

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It makes things, yeah, there's just
more to it, right, and it has a

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slightly better camera, also, I think,

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Leo Dion (home): right, yeah, that's
true, that is true, right, right.

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So let's get

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Evan Stone (guest): about that, but,

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Leo Dion (home): yeah, let's
get into the Pro so why what

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entices you about a 15 Pro?

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Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah,
so the 15 Pro, for me, that, that

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material, that titanium, having a, it's
stronger, lighter, thinner borders.

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Made out of the same stuff
the Mars Rover is made out of.

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No, that's not really
a selling point for me.

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But the brush texture, it's a
really awesome looking phone.

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Even though, I put mine in a case,
so I probably wouldn't even see that.

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But but having a lighter
phone would be nice.

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Yeah,

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Leo Dion (home): Yeah so, yeah.

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Evan Stone (guest): then also the
other feature for the pros for me was

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the Camera, and I don't know what do
we want to do the spoiler thing with

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the spatial camera So doing spatial
video for me that was the one Thing

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that I saw that I thought oh now I
have to upgrade at least I think I do

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Leo Dion (home): I think that
was the thing that I was like,

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well, it sounds like they're not
going to even have that this year.

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That I'm like, I'll just get the 14 Pro.

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And then when they announced
that today, I was just like...

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Yeah, I have to get the 15 pro.

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Is it only on the max or is it on both?

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Evan Stone (guest): I think it's on both

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Leo Dion (home): Okay.

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Okay.

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But the fifth,

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Evan Stone (guest):
That's my understanding.

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Leo Dion (home): the max is
the one that has the six X

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optical zoom, is that correct?

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Evan Stone (guest): I think so.

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Leo Dion (home): Okay.

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This is what happens when you
record right after the event.

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Let me look real quick.

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Evan Stone (guest): looking at the

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Leo Dion (home): Come
on, camera, pro camera,

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Evan Stone (guest): Yeah,
where is the camera?

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Leo Dion (home): digital zoom,
optical zoom on the pro is only 3x

461
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:14,594
optical zoom on the max is 5x 3x

462
00:21:14,709 --> 00:21:15,669
Evan Stone (guest): Three X on the pro.

463
00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:17,209
And then,

464
00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:20,704
Leo Dion (home): and no 3d
sensor shift optical image

465
00:21:20,714 --> 00:21:22,184
stabilization and autofocus.

466
00:21:22,774 --> 00:21:26,454
I assume that 3d thing is
probably for spatial video.

467
00:21:27,459 --> 00:21:29,619
I'm gonna assume that and I
could totally be wrong and

468
00:21:29,659 --> 00:21:30,949
somebody can call me out on it.

469
00:21:31,249 --> 00:21:34,579
But my, my my thinking is,
I think you can only do

470
00:21:34,579 --> 00:21:40,109
spatial video on the Pro Max.

471
00:21:40,969 --> 00:21:42,649
Cause I don't see spatial...

472
00:21:43,649 --> 00:21:46,099
Spatial audio, but they don't
say anything about spatial video.

473
00:21:46,244 --> 00:21:48,234
Evan Stone (guest): oh, that's
not even on the tech specs.

474
00:21:48,899 --> 00:21:50,129
Leo Dion (home): yeah,
that's what I'm looking at.

475
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:55,649
Because I assume that's a software
thing, probably, that will be in 17.

476
00:21:55,649 --> 00:21:56,659
2 at this point.

477
00:21:56,669 --> 00:21:58,399
So, yeah.

478
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,339
Spatial video.

479
00:22:00,349 --> 00:22:02,219
It's on the first part.

480
00:22:03,219 --> 00:22:06,649
So, because that's a software
thing that isn't available yet.

481
00:22:07,649 --> 00:22:10,829
Evan Stone (guest): I bet if we went
back into the event video and checked

482
00:22:11,169 --> 00:22:15,059
Leo Dion (home): Take spatial videos on
the 15 Pro and relive them on the Apple.

483
00:22:15,069 --> 00:22:16,599
So maybe that is on either one.

484
00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:18,389
Evan Stone (guest): I would hope so.

485
00:22:19,389 --> 00:22:21,299
Leo Dion (home): But you like the
bigger phone anyway, what do you care?

486
00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:22,799
Evan Stone (guest): I know.

487
00:22:22,829 --> 00:22:23,269
I know.

488
00:22:24,199 --> 00:22:25,909
though I've been thinking of, okay.

489
00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:26,229
So.

490
00:22:26,534 --> 00:22:31,174
Yes, I like the bigger phone, but
having tried the smaller one, I've also

491
00:22:31,174 --> 00:22:33,274
liked, it's an interesting form factor.

492
00:22:33,934 --> 00:22:37,684
For me, it would feel like a little
bit downsizing, but it could play

493
00:22:37,684 --> 00:22:43,734
into the strategy of buying this
year's smaller phone and then being

494
00:22:43,734 --> 00:22:48,349
a, doing the thing where, I could
pass on the pro from this year.

495
00:22:48,809 --> 00:22:52,449
To my wife who prefers a smaller
phone next year, and then just

496
00:22:52,449 --> 00:22:53,669
do that kind of cycle where

497
00:22:53,714 --> 00:22:55,124
Leo Dion (home): Gotcha and
then that way you and your

498
00:22:55,124 --> 00:22:57,114
wife are on the same size and

499
00:22:57,829 --> 00:22:58,519
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.

500
00:22:58,579 --> 00:22:58,969
Yeah.

501
00:22:59,249 --> 00:23:00,959
I've been toying around with that idea.

502
00:23:01,009 --> 00:23:03,299
I've also been thinking about
doing the upgrade program,

503
00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:04,559
if that's a thing still.

504
00:23:04,589 --> 00:23:05,639
I don't I thought it was

505
00:23:06,129 --> 00:23:08,099
Leo Dion (home): so how
often do you buy a new phone?

506
00:23:09,099 --> 00:23:11,239
Evan Stone (guest): I don't
really buy a phone all that often.

507
00:23:11,489 --> 00:23:15,019
But with an upgrade program like
that, I don't know, I might be

508
00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:16,969
inclined to, to do that every year.

509
00:23:17,009 --> 00:23:17,229
I don't

510
00:23:17,249 --> 00:23:17,599
Leo Dion (home): Okay.

511
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:20,539
Evan Stone (guest): I want
to see how that all works.

512
00:23:20,579 --> 00:23:24,159
I've every every year I well not
every year, but whenever I am

513
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:27,299
going to search for a phone, I
look at the specs or the details

514
00:23:27,309 --> 00:23:28,859
of that and I think not this time.

515
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:29,469
So,

516
00:23:29,989 --> 00:23:34,359
Leo Dion (home): yeah, I think
last year, so the iPhone 11

517
00:23:34,369 --> 00:23:35,849
pro max was my last phone.

518
00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:37,729
And I actually bought that used.

519
00:23:38,489 --> 00:23:39,379
That's my current phone.

520
00:23:39,389 --> 00:23:43,189
I actually bought it used the year of
the iPhone 12 because I just was not

521
00:23:43,199 --> 00:23:44,749
impressed with anything on the 12th.

522
00:23:45,419 --> 00:23:46,879
And I was like, I want dark.

523
00:23:47,089 --> 00:23:50,489
So I had a I had a 10 S before that.

524
00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:51,679
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, okay.

525
00:23:52,189 --> 00:23:54,159
Leo Dion (home): And that
I had bought brand new.

526
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:56,369
And then before that I bought
the eight plus brand new.

527
00:23:56,369 --> 00:23:59,029
I did not buy a 10 cause I
wanted to save some money.

528
00:23:59,029 --> 00:24:00,019
I didn't really care about.

529
00:24:00,714 --> 00:24:02,044
Face ID and all that stuff.

530
00:24:02,164 --> 00:24:05,654
But the iPhone 11 pro, I was like,
I had to get that because I really

531
00:24:05,654 --> 00:24:07,264
wanted the dark at night photos.

532
00:24:07,304 --> 00:24:10,494
And then everything since then, other
than maybe the dynamic Island, there

533
00:24:10,494 --> 00:24:16,854
really hasn't been anything that's like
enticed me and then just the battery.

534
00:24:17,249 --> 00:24:18,079
Gotten worse.

535
00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:20,079
It's a five year old phone,
as you might imagine.

536
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,679
And like, I wanted something with a
dynamic island and I figured there's

537
00:24:24,679 --> 00:24:27,259
been enough upgrades in the last
three or four years, that's worth it.

538
00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:31,379
And it's like, okay, so this year
it's either 14 pro or 15 pro.

539
00:24:31,419 --> 00:24:33,379
And like you said, spatial video.

540
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:34,539
That's it.

541
00:24:34,589 --> 00:24:35,849
Like that does it for me.

542
00:24:35,989 --> 00:24:36,319
Evan Stone (guest): Yep.

543
00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:39,429
Leo Dion (home): the, there's a bunch
of other stuff that I liked about the

544
00:24:39,429 --> 00:24:42,799
pro, but really that spatial video
thing is the thing I was waiting on.

545
00:24:43,249 --> 00:24:45,589
I was like, I'll buy a 14 and
the next year they'll come out

546
00:24:45,589 --> 00:24:48,009
with spatial video, but now they
already have it out this year.

547
00:24:48,009 --> 00:24:50,469
So like now I'm like, I gotta get it.

548
00:24:50,579 --> 00:24:51,669
I gotta get the new one.

549
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:52,969
So yeah.

550
00:24:52,969 --> 00:24:54,309
How much space do you usually get?

551
00:24:55,309 --> 00:24:58,139
Evan Stone (guest): Typically
I think I've been edging up, I

552
00:24:58,139 --> 00:24:59,739
think I have a 512 right now.

553
00:25:00,314 --> 00:25:06,954
I, but I think I probably could have
got a 2 56 and not, I would've, I

554
00:25:06,954 --> 00:25:11,174
would be creeping up to, filling
it up, but, or maybe I am over it.

555
00:25:11,564 --> 00:25:13,454
Anyway, so I'm happy with the five 12.

556
00:25:13,484 --> 00:25:15,504
I think that was the right
decision on this last one.

557
00:25:16,504 --> 00:25:16,744
Leo Dion (home): price

558
00:25:16,939 --> 00:25:17,209
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

559
00:25:17,209 --> 00:25:17,569
So

560
00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:21,894
Leo Dion (home): 1TB, unless I could
get all my photos on there, which I

561
00:25:21,894 --> 00:25:24,794
can't because I have too many photos,
like, I think I'm just gonna stick

562
00:25:24,794 --> 00:25:27,704
with 512 again and it's perfectly fine.

563
00:25:28,704 --> 00:25:28,914
Evan Stone (guest): yeah.

564
00:25:28,914 --> 00:25:29,994
And if, yeah.

565
00:25:30,054 --> 00:25:33,474
Well then we have the spatial video
thing of like how dense is that?

566
00:25:33,864 --> 00:25:34,374
I don't know.

567
00:25:34,779 --> 00:25:36,939
Leo Dion (home): Well, I don't know
if you know this, but Apple likes

568
00:25:36,939 --> 00:25:40,319
to make money off of services, and
they offered a new service this year,

569
00:25:40,679 --> 00:25:41,279
Evan Stone (guest): Yes.

570
00:25:41,655 --> 00:25:43,115
Leo Dion (home): the 6TB plan.

571
00:25:43,575 --> 00:25:47,575
So, yeah, I think they know
exactly what they're doing here,

572
00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:49,125
Evan Stone (guest): I was
really happy about that.

573
00:25:49,185 --> 00:25:50,995
Leo Dion (home): No, I'm happy
about it too, because I'm sick

574
00:25:51,104 --> 00:25:52,024
Evan Stone (guest): so

575
00:25:52,115 --> 00:25:52,915
Leo Dion (home): out of space.

576
00:25:53,534 --> 00:25:54,084
Evan Stone (guest): right?

577
00:25:54,684 --> 00:26:02,144
So all our, all my family is on
a two terabyte and I've, I just

578
00:26:02,164 --> 00:26:06,064
checked, maybe I want to say
maybe a month ago or whatever.

579
00:26:06,414 --> 00:26:08,594
And I was concerned that.

580
00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:12,334
Oh, no two terabytes, the limit and

581
00:26:12,394 --> 00:26:14,034
Leo Dion (home): How many
people are we talking here?

582
00:26:14,654 --> 00:26:17,324
Evan Stone (guest): and it's just
three of us, but my daughter takes

583
00:26:17,774 --> 00:26:21,904
a lot of video and she shares a lot
of videos and gets a lot of, so a

584
00:26:21,904 --> 00:26:26,694
lot of her video stuff ends up in in
iCloud and I have quite a bit too.

585
00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:31,294
So, so the fact that they're
introducing new plans.

586
00:26:32,294 --> 00:26:33,574
is such a welcome change.

587
00:26:33,624 --> 00:26:34,964
I'm really glad that they're doing that.

588
00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:41,724
Leo Dion (home): So the two older
daughters have now devices of their own.

589
00:26:41,824 --> 00:26:44,694
And by devices, an old iPhone
and an old Apple watch.

590
00:26:44,794 --> 00:26:46,754
So we're not quite at
a point where we are.

591
00:26:47,874 --> 00:26:49,234
Taking up a lot of space.

592
00:26:49,684 --> 00:26:54,954
However yeah, I don't, they, do
they, what's the max right now on

593
00:26:55,534 --> 00:26:57,064
the number of people in your family?

594
00:26:57,474 --> 00:27:00,254
As you might, as I have a lot of people
in my family, so that's why I asked

595
00:27:00,354 --> 00:27:01,074
Evan Stone (guest): Right.

596
00:27:01,644 --> 00:27:02,314
I don't know.

597
00:27:02,314 --> 00:27:02,554
Is

598
00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:04,584
Leo Dion (home): But luckily
they're youngins, so they

599
00:27:04,584 --> 00:27:06,074
don't really have accounts.

600
00:27:06,874 --> 00:27:07,594
I can see.

601
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:09,919
In a few years that becoming an issue.

602
00:27:10,409 --> 00:27:15,129
I'll have to file a
feedback back item for that.

603
00:27:15,579 --> 00:27:16,069
We'll see.

604
00:27:17,189 --> 00:27:20,109
But yeah, if you have a daughter
who takes a lot of Video?

605
00:27:20,169 --> 00:27:22,089
That's, yeah, I could see that eat away.

606
00:27:22,239 --> 00:27:24,839
Especially spatial video
in the next year or two.

607
00:27:24,959 --> 00:27:25,329
Yeah.

608
00:27:26,054 --> 00:27:26,464
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

609
00:27:27,124 --> 00:27:31,044
And unfortunately, they haven't
changed the iCloud plus information.

610
00:27:31,054 --> 00:27:32,204
So if you go to apple.

611
00:27:32,224 --> 00:27:37,414
com iCloud, it still says it has
two terabytes as the top end.

612
00:27:38,074 --> 00:27:38,484
So.

613
00:27:38,729 --> 00:27:42,079
Leo Dion (home): So did they, explain
again, do they up everybody's to six?

614
00:27:42,089 --> 00:27:44,019
Or do you have to pay more for six?

615
00:27:44,284 --> 00:27:46,744
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, that
is a really good question.

616
00:27:47,174 --> 00:27:50,704
Let me, let's see if I
have that screenshot.

617
00:27:51,704 --> 00:27:53,554
I got the cents that we had to pay.

618
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,179
Leo Dion (home): I would
assume Apple would not.

619
00:27:57,154 --> 00:27:58,784
Evan Stone (guest): I would,
yeah, I'd assume that we just

620
00:27:58,784 --> 00:28:01,014
have to pay more for the 6 and 12.

621
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,569
Leo Dion (home): I
would assume so as well.

622
00:28:02,904 --> 00:28:07,704
Evan Stone (guest): So, but, I'm, oh,
I'm glad that they didn't do, yeah,

623
00:28:07,704 --> 00:28:13,204
so it's, yeah, it's, so they still
have the 2 and then there's 6 and 12.

624
00:28:13,864 --> 00:28:15,594
They don't mention any prices there.

625
00:28:16,114 --> 00:28:20,424
But my assumption is that you just
pay more and you get more space.

626
00:28:20,784 --> 00:28:23,504
I'm glad they didn't do 2, 4, 6.

627
00:28:23,584 --> 00:28:25,904
So now we have a lot more space here.

628
00:28:26,354 --> 00:28:26,894
This is great.

629
00:28:27,209 --> 00:28:27,559
Leo Dion (home): Right.

630
00:28:27,844 --> 00:28:29,544
Evan Stone (guest): Of course, I
haven't seen the prices yet, so I

631
00:28:29,914 --> 00:28:32,054
may not be that great, ultimately.

632
00:28:33,099 --> 00:28:34,709
Leo Dion (home): Anything
else you want to talk about

633
00:28:34,729 --> 00:28:36,719
concerning the event today?

634
00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:38,574
Evan Stone (guest): Let's see.

635
00:28:39,574 --> 00:28:42,954
I didn't know if, did we want
to talk about the A 17 at all?

636
00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:44,854
I don't have much to...

637
00:28:45,199 --> 00:28:45,619
Leo Dion (home): the same.

638
00:28:46,009 --> 00:28:48,539
Evan Stone (guest): Talk about
it other than, oh, it's, we

639
00:28:48,539 --> 00:28:51,249
haven't, it's a new processor and

640
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:52,439
Leo Dion (home): the
three millimeter one?

641
00:28:52,579 --> 00:28:53,839
Evan Stone (guest):
Yeah, three nanometer.

642
00:28:54,419 --> 00:28:55,459
So that's a, that's a big.

643
00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:56,464
A big deal.

644
00:28:56,474 --> 00:28:56,734
No.

645
00:28:57,004 --> 00:29:02,074
I'm not one of these processor spec
type people who watches that, but

646
00:29:02,424 --> 00:29:05,614
the smaller that gets, the more
they can fit and it makes it, they

647
00:29:05,614 --> 00:29:09,174
can do more, they can be faster,
more cores and that kind of stuff.

648
00:29:09,574 --> 00:29:12,794
And so it looks like they're still
trying to push the envelope on that.

649
00:29:13,014 --> 00:29:15,264
It sounds like they did some
really good stuff with the GPU

650
00:29:15,644 --> 00:29:17,464
higher frame rates, ray tracing.

651
00:29:17,914 --> 00:29:20,144
The ray tracing demo
was pretty impressive.

652
00:29:20,514 --> 00:29:25,384
I'm not a real gamer, so I don't I
didn't really have much to compare

653
00:29:25,444 --> 00:29:29,514
against, but it looked cool, and I
was thinking in terms of Vision Pro.

654
00:29:29,764 --> 00:29:33,984
Like, maybe that's something that
is a byproduct of that work too.

655
00:29:34,659 --> 00:29:35,819
Leo Dion (home): Well,
the Vision Pro is an

656
00:29:36,104 --> 00:29:38,364
Evan Stone (guest): Vision
Pro's gonna be, yeah, M2, yeah.

657
00:29:38,529 --> 00:29:39,669
Leo Dion (home): Or M2, yeah, right.

658
00:29:40,414 --> 00:29:44,044
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, so, but,
at this point they're all cousins,

659
00:29:44,094 --> 00:29:48,234
so they probably share ideas and
design and that kind of stuff.

660
00:29:50,074 --> 00:29:51,964
But, Oh, we, you know
what we didn't talk about?

661
00:29:52,494 --> 00:29:53,584
We didn't talk about the action.

662
00:29:53,674 --> 00:29:55,094
We didn't talk about the action button.

663
00:29:56,224 --> 00:29:57,124
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

664
00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:57,944
Evan Stone (guest): and the phone.

665
00:29:58,064 --> 00:29:59,574
And so what do you think about that?

666
00:30:00,584 --> 00:30:01,384
Leo Dion (home): It's nice.

667
00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:03,564
It's good that we moved it.

668
00:30:03,654 --> 00:30:05,914
Like, let's be honest.

669
00:30:06,064 --> 00:30:11,234
Most people silence their phones and
never, like, Unless you're people

670
00:30:11,234 --> 00:30:14,974
who don't silence their phones tend
to be not very technically savvy.

671
00:30:15,254 --> 00:30:18,434
So it's nice to see that you can
add, like, now you have an action

672
00:30:18,434 --> 00:30:19,834
button that you can customize.

673
00:30:20,484 --> 00:30:23,644
Like there's a, there's definitely a lot
of great ideas that they talked about.

674
00:30:23,644 --> 00:30:26,474
And then, I assume that their
shortcut implementation as well.

675
00:30:26,984 --> 00:30:28,074
What did you think about it?

676
00:30:29,164 --> 00:30:29,554
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

677
00:30:29,554 --> 00:30:33,134
So I'm thinking the same line of
thought that you were just talking

678
00:30:33,134 --> 00:30:36,684
about, which is that at first I
thought, well, why would I want that?

679
00:30:36,684 --> 00:30:40,314
I really like having the hardware
silence button, but then I thought.

680
00:30:40,859 --> 00:30:44,189
I like literally never turn it off.

681
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:45,699
I always have it silenced.

682
00:30:46,309 --> 00:30:50,549
So, so then I started
thinking, well, actually that

683
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:51,899
makes a lot of sense to me.

684
00:30:51,969 --> 00:30:53,529
I would be happy to have that.

685
00:30:54,234 --> 00:30:57,884
In my control center, I would,
silencing, if I could have that

686
00:30:57,884 --> 00:31:01,534
in my control center, just pull
down silence, I'm fine with that.

687
00:31:01,654 --> 00:31:05,424
And then have the side button
be used for other things.

688
00:31:05,774 --> 00:31:06,584
I think that's great.

689
00:31:06,584 --> 00:31:10,699
Like the photo, using it for it to
take pictures or the shortcut thing.

690
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,389
I'm not, I'm, again, I'm not a
huge shortcut and I'm not a power

691
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:19,099
user with shortcuts, but it could
be cool, I guess to to use that.

692
00:31:19,349 --> 00:31:21,349
Leo Dion (home): and I'm curious if
you can like customize it to be like.

693
00:31:22,209 --> 00:31:26,119
One tap does this, long tap
does that, double tap does this,

694
00:31:26,129 --> 00:31:29,149
triple tap does this, like, I
don't know, I would assume so.

695
00:31:29,879 --> 00:31:33,019
So, yeah, I, we're both, we're
getting two action buttons.

696
00:31:33,399 --> 00:31:35,959
Assuming you get an ultra, like, so,

697
00:31:35,984 --> 00:31:37,384
Evan Stone (guest): thinking
the same thing about the ultra.

698
00:31:37,494 --> 00:31:41,284
Leo Dion (home): So, yeah there's
a lot you could do with ultra.

699
00:31:41,584 --> 00:31:42,284
Or the action

700
00:31:42,379 --> 00:31:45,899
Evan Stone (guest): accessible to us
as developers is the action button

701
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:48,989
accessible to us on Apple watch ultra?

702
00:31:49,019 --> 00:31:50,439
Okay, so that's cool.

703
00:31:50,469 --> 00:31:52,479
So maybe it would be
available to us as well.

704
00:31:52,489 --> 00:31:56,839
This is the action button on
iPhone 15 Pro So, it opens up

705
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:58,249
some interesting possibilities.

706
00:31:59,379 --> 00:32:01,739
Again, that's, it's not
really a selling point to me.

707
00:32:01,769 --> 00:32:05,139
It's cool and it'll
be interesting to see.

708
00:32:05,139 --> 00:32:07,769
And it, by default, it
acts as a silent button.

709
00:32:07,769 --> 00:32:08,639
So that's fine.

710
00:32:09,614 --> 00:32:12,504
Leo Dion (home): I think it's
I think it's good that we don't

711
00:32:12,514 --> 00:32:19,224
have a hardware switch that may
be allowing damage to an iPhone.

712
00:32:19,959 --> 00:32:20,439
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

713
00:32:20,504 --> 00:32:22,764
Leo Dion (home): in kind of the same
way that we got rid of a hardware

714
00:32:22,764 --> 00:32:27,994
switch that Hardware home button and
switch that to in between getting rid

715
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:32,494
of the home button, we switch that to
software button, so I think like that

716
00:32:32,494 --> 00:32:36,534
to me, like, Hey, if it reduces water
damage or anything else, go for it.

717
00:32:37,499 --> 00:32:37,839
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

718
00:32:37,939 --> 00:32:38,179
Yeah.

719
00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:38,949
It makes a lot of sense.

720
00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:41,469
Leo Dion (home): People
don't buy ringtones anymore.

721
00:32:41,469 --> 00:32:45,799
So if you wanted to buy a ringtone,
unfortunately you can't really

722
00:32:45,819 --> 00:32:48,409
have a ringtone for iPhone 15 pro.

723
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:49,719
So, yeah.

724
00:32:50,719 --> 00:32:53,329
Evan Stone (guest): We didn't really
discuss the USB C stuff, did we?

725
00:32:53,349 --> 00:32:53,639
Or,

726
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:54,639
Leo Dion (home): We did it!

727
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:55,539
Thank you, Evan.

728
00:32:56,439 --> 00:32:59,519
Because everybody has been talking
about it for weeks beforehand,

729
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,449
so it's like, it totally was
like, yeah, we know it's USB C.

730
00:33:02,449 --> 00:33:09,009
So, iPhone 15 gets USB C, but
it's USB 2 speeds, I believe.

731
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:11,699
So it's basically no faster
than what you get in a

732
00:33:11,834 --> 00:33:12,404
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I see.

733
00:33:12,444 --> 00:33:12,734
Okay.

734
00:33:12,929 --> 00:33:14,559
Leo Dion (home): The Pro,
you can get a Thunderbolt

735
00:33:14,569 --> 00:33:16,579
cable, and then now you can...

736
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:21,609
It'll actually, like, be Thunderbolt
speeds, which is, I think, a thousand

737
00:33:21,609 --> 00:33:23,629
times faster than what USB 2 is.

738
00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:29,589
I, that was something that interested
me based on the rumors, because I

739
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:33,489
would be curious to see if it's a
lot faster to debug on an iPhone

740
00:33:33,499 --> 00:33:35,129
Pro with a Thunderbolt cable.

741
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,309
And also, as Apple watch developer
it's better, but still could

742
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,489
be even more, more better.

743
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:43,189
So I'd be curious about that.

744
00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:44,339
But yeah, yeah.

745
00:33:44,339 --> 00:33:45,199
What do you think?

746
00:33:45,819 --> 00:33:47,909
Evan Stone (guest): I didn't catch
the thing about the Thunderbolt,

747
00:33:47,939 --> 00:33:49,289
but now that totally makes sense.

748
00:33:49,309 --> 00:33:52,599
I thought it was just USB 3, but if
it's Thunderbolt, then that would make

749
00:33:53,089 --> 00:33:58,709
their sales pitch about the, doing
video straight to an external drive.

750
00:33:59,224 --> 00:34:02,724
Like an external SSD or whatever,
that would make a lot of sense

751
00:34:02,794 --> 00:34:04,684
being able to and with that high,

752
00:34:04,729 --> 00:34:04,919
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

753
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:08,349
The extra external SSD or
external hard drive is amazing.

754
00:34:08,359 --> 00:34:08,669
That's going to be

755
00:34:08,894 --> 00:34:09,294
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.

756
00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:11,279
Yeah, that, no that's really cool.

757
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:14,039
Not that I would ever use it,
but for people who are doing

758
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,289
video that's pretty cool.

759
00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:17,489
And so USB C would enable that.

760
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,479
You can't do it with lightning.

761
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:23,679
The, I thought just on practical
terms having, I guess we did

762
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,279
mention this before but AirPods
Pro 2, the new version also is USB

763
00:34:28,279 --> 00:34:29,969
C and I thought interesting too.

764
00:34:29,969 --> 00:34:31,709
They're the the cabled AirPods.

765
00:34:31,939 --> 00:34:35,289
They're having a USB C version of
that too but that makes sense because

766
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:36,769
Leo Dion (home): does
that come with the iPhone?

767
00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:37,069
Evan Stone (guest): one.

768
00:34:37,949 --> 00:34:39,579
No, I don't think it comes anymore.

769
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:40,429
No.

770
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,009
Yeah, you'd have to buy it separately.

771
00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:46,229
Leo Dion (home): So finally you can
get external storage for your iPhone.

772
00:34:47,189 --> 00:34:48,249
Take that Android.

773
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:49,159
Evan Stone (guest): that's right.

774
00:34:49,284 --> 00:34:51,784
Leo Dion (home): No ringtones,
but we have external storage now.

775
00:34:51,784 --> 00:34:52,284
Yay!

776
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:52,639
Evan Stone (guest): Ha.

777
00:34:53,689 --> 00:34:54,099
Right.

778
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:55,579
Oh my goodness.

779
00:34:55,979 --> 00:34:56,339
Yeah.

780
00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:58,429
You could have massive
thunderbolt storage.

781
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:02,409
Leo Dion (home): Could you just
imagine like 12 south or like

782
00:35:02,729 --> 00:35:06,969
one of these companies coming
out with like New hard drive case

783
00:35:06,969 --> 00:35:08,709
for the iPhone just what is it?

784
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,649
Just like a external power battery
thing you have now external hard

785
00:35:12,649 --> 00:35:17,099
drive and then that's your phone Maybe
make it look like it one of those

786
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:19,099
nice satellite phones from the 80s.

787
00:35:19,189 --> 00:35:19,599
Yeah.

788
00:35:19,714 --> 00:35:20,254
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.

789
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:21,909
Yeah, totally.

790
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,409
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, do you want
to talk about Swift Remote Studio?

791
00:35:27,409 --> 00:35:30,569
Evan Stone (guest): Sure yeah, we
can talk about that for a little bit,

792
00:35:30,669 --> 00:35:34,049
because the last time we chatted, I
think we did talk about it, and at

793
00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:39,649
that point, it was things went a little
bonkers, and I wasn't sure I wanted

794
00:35:39,649 --> 00:35:43,949
to continue with it, right, so I I
was all, there was all this buildup.

795
00:35:43,949 --> 00:35:49,269
I got like 141 people joined
to V1 of Swift Remote Studio.

796
00:35:49,879 --> 00:35:55,219
And then then it really turned out that
nobody wants that as a service, right?

797
00:35:55,219 --> 00:35:59,049
Nobody wants to pay for that,
for co working virtual service.

798
00:35:59,059 --> 00:36:04,749
So I thought, well, okay, let's
just go back and fall back and see

799
00:36:04,789 --> 00:36:07,079
what makes the most sense for today.

800
00:36:07,414 --> 00:36:08,624
And what people would join.

801
00:36:09,154 --> 00:36:12,604
And so I thought, well, maybe
not a coworking service, but what

802
00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,724
about just a coworking community?

803
00:36:14,724 --> 00:36:17,104
And so that's where we're at now.

804
00:36:17,814 --> 00:36:19,014
And it just has been building up.

805
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:20,464
We're almost.

806
00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:22,714
Back to a hundred a hundred members.

807
00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:28,824
I think as far as active members are
concerned, I want to say somewhere

808
00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:32,944
like 10%, like maybe 10, that we
see on a regular basis today was.

809
00:36:33,134 --> 00:36:35,294
Awesome for the viewing
party that we did.

810
00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:37,144
You were there, which was great.

811
00:36:37,144 --> 00:36:40,764
Thank you for coming we had a bunch
of other folks some of the regulars

812
00:36:40,794 --> 00:36:45,504
they're like three or four regulars
that we see at most of the other events

813
00:36:45,944 --> 00:36:47,794
but then new people showed up too.

814
00:36:47,844 --> 00:36:49,014
So it was really great.

815
00:36:49,054 --> 00:36:52,124
I think we had I want to say
There was probably about nine

816
00:36:52,124 --> 00:36:53,114
or ten of us there, right?

817
00:36:53,734 --> 00:36:54,514
Leo Dion (home): it was a good crowd.

818
00:36:55,249 --> 00:36:58,579
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, so, so
and then there was a lot of chatter

819
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,989
on the, in the slack, in the
Apple events slack about it today,

820
00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:04,259
people posting comments about it.

821
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,699
So I thought today was
probably the most successful.

822
00:37:08,049 --> 00:37:11,379
event that we've had in a long
time with Swift and Road Studio.

823
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:15,979
And and it's just been in growing and
it's, I've noticed that it's really

824
00:37:15,979 --> 00:37:19,819
taken off just within the last, I
want to say two to three months or so.

825
00:37:20,359 --> 00:37:24,429
Because it went from, I was looking
at the numbers and and Josh Rock

826
00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:29,419
of DoMarkz, he's been, with me
since the start on this project

827
00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:35,839
and and I was telling him that just
commenting to him about the the

828
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,664
fact that it was like, what, 40?

829
00:37:38,114 --> 00:37:44,704
And then 60 and then 80 and then just
this last week it was like 95 and so

830
00:37:44,704 --> 00:37:48,324
we were just having this discussion
and it's remarkable to see that it's

831
00:37:48,324 --> 00:37:51,804
really taken off and it's great to see
and people seem to really enjoy it.

832
00:37:51,824 --> 00:37:58,784
We have The two weekly things that we do
are the just a kind of a coffee meetup.

833
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,254
We call it Swift Remote Coffee.

834
00:38:00,654 --> 00:38:04,864
And that happens on Wednesdays at 9 a.

835
00:38:04,864 --> 00:38:05,194
m.

836
00:38:05,354 --> 00:38:05,954
Pacific.

837
00:38:06,634 --> 00:38:11,214
And then we do a goal
setting meeting on Fridays.

838
00:38:11,704 --> 00:38:13,604
And that happens at 12.

839
00:38:13,604 --> 00:38:13,904
30 p.

840
00:38:13,904 --> 00:38:14,174
m.

841
00:38:14,524 --> 00:38:15,044
Pacific.

842
00:38:15,404 --> 00:38:19,784
And the the coffee thing is just
everybody on zoom chatting, yeah, chit

843
00:38:19,784 --> 00:38:23,444
chat, what's happening, usually we
get into the swift developer kind of

844
00:38:23,544 --> 00:38:27,284
topics like frustrations with swift
UI or whatever the latest thing, or

845
00:38:27,294 --> 00:38:31,164
actually lately it's been swift data
has been, and all the new beta stuff

846
00:38:31,164 --> 00:38:34,894
that we've gotten from WWDC then on
Fridays, the goal setting meeting.

847
00:38:35,124 --> 00:38:38,514
Has been really useful because
usually it's pretty lightly attended.

848
00:38:38,514 --> 00:38:40,094
I want to say usually
four or five of us.

849
00:38:40,474 --> 00:38:45,884
And then but we talk about we set
goals and then the next meeting you

850
00:38:45,884 --> 00:38:49,354
say, well, what of those goals that
you set, did you achieve those?

851
00:38:49,644 --> 00:38:50,789
Or not, and then.

852
00:38:51,049 --> 00:38:53,209
What you plan to do for the next week.

853
00:38:53,259 --> 00:38:57,129
And so, and if you keep that cycle up
then it really helps you to keep on

854
00:38:57,129 --> 00:38:59,279
track with side projects or whatever.

855
00:38:59,569 --> 00:39:02,919
Some people use it for education,
so they have educational goals.

856
00:39:03,229 --> 00:39:04,289
So they're keeping those.

857
00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:08,039
And somewhere along the line, we
started posting those in Slack too.

858
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:11,959
So to keep a little more accountability
and it helps you too, because if you

859
00:39:11,959 --> 00:39:14,829
post it there, then you can refer
to it, the following week, like what

860
00:39:14,829 --> 00:39:16,439
did I say that I was going to do?

861
00:39:16,879 --> 00:39:17,419
And so.

862
00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:19,539
Yeah, it seems to be helping.

863
00:39:19,549 --> 00:39:21,859
A lot of folks are
achieving their goals.

864
00:39:21,919 --> 00:39:23,949
So it's turned out to be a nice program

865
00:39:24,384 --> 00:39:24,704
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

866
00:39:24,874 --> 00:39:25,774
Sounds awesome.

867
00:39:25,964 --> 00:39:26,554
I love it.

868
00:39:26,724 --> 00:39:33,014
We'll post links in the show notes
so people can take a look and join.

869
00:39:33,124 --> 00:39:34,244
Yeah, it's fantastic.

870
00:39:34,244 --> 00:39:36,024
I think people should
definitely get involved.

871
00:39:36,034 --> 00:39:40,124
So, was there anything else you
wanted to mention before we close out?

872
00:39:40,889 --> 00:39:41,639
Evan Stone (guest): I don't think so.

873
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:41,699
I

874
00:39:41,844 --> 00:39:43,794
Leo Dion (home): Are you
doing an Apple vision pro lab?

875
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:45,939
Evan Stone (guest): I did one in August.

876
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:46,979
Leo Dion (home): Awesome.

877
00:39:47,404 --> 00:39:49,814
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, in
the middle of all, yeah, it was

878
00:39:49,814 --> 00:39:51,934
awesome and I can't talk about it.

879
00:39:52,384 --> 00:40:00,254
So, no what I no, what I can say, what
I can say is there was on developer.

880
00:40:00,254 --> 00:40:00,514
apple.

881
00:40:00,664 --> 00:40:01,024
com.

882
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:04,274
There was this article and I
can dig up the link but it had

883
00:40:04,274 --> 00:40:08,724
Michael Simmons and it had Dave
Smith underscore Dave Smith on.

884
00:40:09,399 --> 00:40:10,019
Listed in there.

885
00:40:10,019 --> 00:40:12,789
A couple other developers
too about their reactions

886
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:16,589
to the Apple Vision Pro Lab.

887
00:40:17,149 --> 00:40:21,959
And what I can say is, everything that
they say is exactly the way that I felt.

888
00:40:22,329 --> 00:40:23,119
The only...

889
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:24,309
Leo Dion (home): just
drive there, right?

890
00:40:24,529 --> 00:40:25,749
Cause you're in California.

891
00:40:26,134 --> 00:40:31,144
Evan Stone (guest): Yes, I theoretically
I could, and if I do another round of

892
00:40:31,144 --> 00:40:35,274
this, then I will go, I'll do the dawn
patrol, I'll probably have to leave here

893
00:40:35,274 --> 00:40:39,274
at like 5am to get there, well enough
in time, if there's a traffic and that

894
00:40:39,274 --> 00:40:40,324
kind of stuff in the Silicon Valley.

895
00:40:40,814 --> 00:40:44,204
But but what I did was I
stayed over the night before.

896
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:47,479
And just went directly there and
it was a really nice experience.

897
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:49,939
Everybody's super
friendly, super helpful.

898
00:40:50,209 --> 00:40:54,979
They had what was nice was they had
the mix of staff that there's going

899
00:40:54,979 --> 00:40:56,519
to be staff on hand to help you.

900
00:40:56,849 --> 00:40:59,909
So what was great is they had a kind
of a mix of folks that could help

901
00:41:00,349 --> 00:41:02,559
based on any issues that came up.

902
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:07,834
But yeah, and especially the thing
that, that, That impacted me the most

903
00:41:07,834 --> 00:41:12,134
was the thing that David Smith talks
about in his comments on that article.

904
00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:17,664
Which is that the audible gasp
that happens because it, it does.

905
00:41:17,674 --> 00:41:20,894
It's like, it's a breathtaking
experience the first time you

906
00:41:21,114 --> 00:41:23,804
try it and it's nothing like
doing it on the simulator.

907
00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:24,269
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.

908
00:41:24,389 --> 00:41:24,639
I would

909
00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:26,064
Evan Stone (guest): it's
a, it's vastly different.

910
00:41:26,084 --> 00:41:26,474
Yeah.

911
00:41:27,304 --> 00:41:27,984
Highly recommend.

912
00:41:28,214 --> 00:41:31,774
If there's any way you can
get to, unfortunately, they

913
00:41:31,774 --> 00:41:33,474
didn't have too many locations.

914
00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:35,364
I, Cupertino is the only
one in the US, right?

915
00:41:35,954 --> 00:41:38,444
So, yeah that's unfortunate.

916
00:41:39,304 --> 00:41:39,744
Yeah,

917
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,759
Leo Dion (home): did you, I don't
know if you're going to answer this.

918
00:41:42,789 --> 00:41:47,149
Did you come away with it with like
a, Oh yeah, moment where you're

919
00:41:47,149 --> 00:41:50,689
like, okay, now I see I have an app
idea that makes total sense here.

920
00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:54,519
Where it was before you were
just like, eh, like, I'm

921
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:55,639
not sure this is a good fit.

922
00:41:57,444 --> 00:42:00,514
Evan Stone (guest): The, what
I had was the opposite effect.

923
00:42:00,794 --> 00:42:05,884
I went in with at least one or
two ideas of what I wanted to do.

924
00:42:06,294 --> 00:42:11,124
And as it turns out the
things that I wanted to do are

925
00:42:11,124 --> 00:42:12,894
not possible to do with it.

926
00:42:13,544 --> 00:42:16,974
And it's all, that's all
public because the, if you look

927
00:42:16,974 --> 00:42:18,264
on the privacy information.

928
00:42:18,594 --> 00:42:22,104
Document that they have in the
documentation for vision pro, there's

929
00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:26,434
an article on the privacy protection,
which they specifically say in there

930
00:42:26,434 --> 00:42:28,724
that you do not have access to cameras.

931
00:42:29,294 --> 00:42:35,184
So the idea that I had involves using
cameras for like an AR kind of purpose.

932
00:42:35,624 --> 00:42:39,704
And as per that document the
ideas that I had were actually.

933
00:42:39,889 --> 00:42:40,439
Negated.

934
00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:45,199
So it turns out that I came up
with less ideas, but I definitely

935
00:42:45,329 --> 00:42:49,769
came away realizing that the
experience is much more than what

936
00:42:49,779 --> 00:42:53,479
on the simulator, and it definitely
gets the juices flowing, right?

937
00:42:53,509 --> 00:42:56,369
And you start thinking, well, okay,
if I can't do this, what can I do?

938
00:42:56,829 --> 00:43:02,329
And so for that, I'm hoping I can get
another opportunity to go back because

939
00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:06,469
the other issue that I ran into, and
this is what everybody knows, is that I

940
00:43:06,469 --> 00:43:10,589
went when Xcode beta six was released.

941
00:43:10,999 --> 00:43:14,689
And if you had a Swift data
application, you could not

942
00:43:14,689 --> 00:43:16,489
deploy that to any hardware.

943
00:43:16,689 --> 00:43:18,779
I couldn't deploy it to my phone.

944
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:20,649
If I tried to run it, yeah.

945
00:43:21,029 --> 00:43:22,149
And so.

946
00:43:22,794 --> 00:43:26,484
So I wasn't able to deploy
that to any devices.

947
00:43:26,494 --> 00:43:26,874
Hint.

948
00:43:27,194 --> 00:43:31,464
So So even though I can't talk
about my experience you could gather

949
00:43:31,464 --> 00:43:36,034
from that if I can't deploy it to
a phone You can by extension see

950
00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:37,844
think of what other devices I could

951
00:43:37,859 --> 00:43:40,939
Leo Dion (home): This is not something
I'm aware of as a person who's been

952
00:43:40,939 --> 00:43:43,419
doing Mac development on Xcode 15.

953
00:43:43,419 --> 00:43:45,859
So I did not know you couldn't do that.

954
00:43:45,869 --> 00:43:46,579
That's that

955
00:43:46,904 --> 00:43:53,274
Evan Stone (guest): No, so so it was
literally just The beta it was beta

956
00:43:53,274 --> 00:43:59,534
5 and beta 6 I believe definitely
beta 6 the What happened was they

957
00:43:59,534 --> 00:44:05,189
released an iOS Release that had
a different beta interface or not

958
00:44:05,189 --> 00:44:06,399
beta interface, but the binary

959
00:44:06,474 --> 00:44:07,004
Leo Dion (home): what you mean.

960
00:44:07,124 --> 00:44:07,474
Shared

961
00:44:07,579 --> 00:44:08,559
Evan Stone (guest): for for Swift data.

962
00:44:09,329 --> 00:44:11,199
Yeah they were, they didn't align.

963
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:13,539
And so, and they knew about
it, they copped to it.

964
00:44:13,899 --> 00:44:15,859
So they agreed that it was a problem.

965
00:44:16,049 --> 00:44:19,859
So it was resolved in beta seven, but by
that time I had already been to the lab.

966
00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:22,179
So it was hopefully I can
get another shot at it.

967
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:23,589
So, so we'll see.

968
00:44:24,209 --> 00:44:25,819
Anyway, but it was a great experience.

969
00:44:25,819 --> 00:44:29,699
I highly recommend if anyone, if you're
close to Apple Park, or if you can just,

970
00:44:30,019 --> 00:44:35,309
if you can finagle making it there,
I highly recommend going to a lab.

971
00:44:35,499 --> 00:44:35,939
It's worth it.

972
00:44:36,744 --> 00:44:38,714
Leo Dion (home): Thank you, Evan,
so much for coming on the show.

973
00:44:38,714 --> 00:44:39,284
Where can people

974
00:44:39,364 --> 00:44:39,724
Evan Stone (guest): you, Leo.

975
00:44:40,724 --> 00:44:42,404
You can find where, can you find me?

976
00:44:42,554 --> 00:44:46,414
Gosh, I think well, I'm,
there's swift remote studio.com.

977
00:44:46,464 --> 00:44:48,174
There is the U R L for that.

978
00:44:48,324 --> 00:44:52,074
And then on Mastodon you can find me.

979
00:44:52,124 --> 00:44:56,578
I'm on let's see, Evan case
stone at iOS dev space.

980
00:44:57,338 --> 00:44:58,688
So, that's my preferred.

981
00:44:58,688 --> 00:45:00,398
I, I stick to Mastodon now.

982
00:45:00,398 --> 00:45:04,978
I'm not doing much with
Twitter or x or whatever it is.

983
00:45:05,338 --> 00:45:09,233
And any of the other things, I just it
doesn't interest me that much right now.

984
00:45:09,503 --> 00:45:13,353
Maybe it'll settle down to the point
where where it will, I'm on Blue Sky and

985
00:45:13,393 --> 00:45:18,143
I'm on threads and and still on Twitter,
but I don't ever check those things.

986
00:45:18,143 --> 00:45:19,693
So it's pretty much just
masked it on at this point.

987
00:45:20,743 --> 00:45:22,633
Leo Dion (home): Thank you again,
Evan, for coming on the show.

988
00:45:23,173 --> 00:45:24,913
It's good to talk about this fun stuff.

989
00:45:25,448 --> 00:45:26,168
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, it was great.

990
00:45:26,703 --> 00:45:29,073
Leo Dion (home): people
can find me on Twitter.

991
00:45:29,513 --> 00:45:31,163
X, whatever.

992
00:45:31,683 --> 00:45:37,673
At LeoGDion and Massadonim at
LeoGDion dot C at C dot IM.

993
00:45:38,123 --> 00:45:38,753
My website.

994
00:45:39,028 --> 00:45:40,488
Company websites break digit.

995
00:45:40,508 --> 00:45:44,088
So take a look at there for all
past episodes and other articles

996
00:45:44,088 --> 00:45:47,468
and stuff We've got some good
stuff on there thank you so much.

997
00:45:47,478 --> 00:45:50,518
If you're watching this on youtube,
please like and subscribe if you're

998
00:45:50,608 --> 00:45:54,468
listening to this Please post a
review on your podcast player evan.

999
00:45:54,468 --> 00:45:55,298
You want to say something?

1000
00:45:56,318 --> 00:46:00,178
Evan Stone (guest): Could I make a plug
also for iOS death break, the podcast

1001
00:46:00,448 --> 00:46:01,118
Leo Dion (home): absolutely.

1002
00:46:01,118 --> 00:46:02,658
Yeah, and we're ios dev break.

1003
00:46:02,658 --> 00:46:06,488
We'll put a link in the show notes to
that how often do you put out episodes?

1004
00:46:07,218 --> 00:46:09,978
Evan Stone (guest): Very rarely,
but I just put one out today.

1005
00:46:10,008 --> 00:46:12,048
Actually, I recorded
yesterday, put it out today.

1006
00:46:12,268 --> 00:46:14,998
So, and the last one I did was
like right before depth up,

1007
00:46:15,178 --> 00:46:17,873
so, but I'm really trying to
pick up the cadence on that.

1008
00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:18,463
Doing

1009
00:46:18,498 --> 00:46:19,438
Leo Dion (home): that as well.

1010
00:46:20,343 --> 00:46:21,693
Evan Stone (guest): iOS dev break.com.

1011
00:46:21,723 --> 00:46:22,443
You can find it there.

1012
00:46:22,808 --> 00:46:23,098
Leo Dion (home): awesome.

1013
00:46:24,188 --> 00:46:25,368
Everybody have a good week.

1014
00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:26,358
Don't spend too much money.

1015
00:46:26,428 --> 00:46:28,038
I will talk to you later.

1016
00:46:28,118 --> 00:46:28,748
Have a good one.

1017
00:46:28,888 --> 00:46:29,478
Bye everyone.