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Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five-star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform. I had a light show planned, but we just don't have that option because we're getting more information. on the Oregon school shooting. And we should be talking about that anyway, no matter where it happens. But it also obviously applies to us very directly here in Colorado and everywhere in America. We know Colorado has been kind of a ground zero for these monsters to attack. And we can talk about the reasons for that. But we also know, as we sit here right now, we can debate the numbers. Maybe it's 25, maybe it's 100. But we know that lots of school shootings are being planned for Colorado as we speak. We just know that. And we know that there are going to be more. And so the question is, you know, what are we going to do about it? And what can we learn from what just happened in Oregon and apply here to help fulfill our sacred duty of doing everything we can, every man and woman listening to this show, everything within our power and skill set to To protect innocent children. That's a starting point for any civilized society. Now, in Colorado, you see that being forfeited. You see many now under the guise of their woke ideology. want to sort of forfeit that, deny it, reject that responsibility to protect innocent children. But the vast majority of us across party lines see that duty, and the only question is whether we're going to fulfill it and how. So we're drilling down into that. I want to get you the fresh facts, and we'll go to our fiery phone lines and text as well. So here's the latest information. The monster, Griffin John II, 16... He entered that school at about 12.59 p.m. He started shooting outside the school. The hero, father, with two children in the school, wasn't going to school. He was driving by the school when he saw the shooter, and he followed the shooter into the school. Just saw a picture, which appears to be real, of the father following the killer into the school, and it's very, very powerful. So if it's real, I'll distribute it. The hero, Caleb Germanico, 36, I believe, then follows him into the school and kills him by 101. So he kills him within two minutes of this starting. And yet by that time, we already have a five-year-old boy, an eight-year-old boy, an 11-year-old boy killed, a 25-year-old teacher killed. a seven year old, very badly wounded, a 54 year old teacher, very badly wounded. And this is after the hero father was able to kill the monster within two minutes. The monster still had 44 rounds left with his shotgun. Another teacher had thrown a phone at the attacker and had tackled and fought with the attacker. All of this is coming down in the first two to three minutes. So the point is we go back to the phone lines, and text is the point I've been hammering on for years. And I've had some in-depth exposure to at least two of the biggest school shootings in this state's history, Columbine and then a recent very horrific school shooting at STEM. So here is what we know as we go back to the phone lines. And everybody, every member of every school board in Colorado knows this. Every member of administration of every Colorado school knows this, that unless there is a good guy or gal embedded in the school with a gun, if the monster or monsters choose your school, they're going to have at least three to five minutes to kill as many as they can. That's the undeniable reality. Those facts are accepted by everybody. So then why do you have so many in charge? decide they're going to leave those kids defenseless. And if the monsters come to their school, they get to kill as many as they can for at least three to five minutes. How can anybody justify that? What do we need to change there? All righty. Let's go to the phone lines. We'll start with Doug here on the Dan Kaplan show. Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Dan, can you hear me now? Yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, this all goes back.
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Speaker 4: A couple of years, and the only person who can really answer these great questions you have would be Tay Anderson. He's the one that knows why we don't need resource officers in our schools right now.
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Speaker 1: You are very well informed. You've been around a while.
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Speaker 2: I've been listening to you for a while.
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Speaker 1: But you start in a good place. So why do these people— let' s take Tay as an example. And I remember when Tay was— relatively normal lefty used to come on the show. Why do you think Tay and other lefties reject school resource officers and say, no, we just want to leave the kids at the mercy of the killers? Now, Tay would disagree with that characterization, and maybe he has changed his position on school resource officers. But why do so many on the left oppose having a good guy or gal with a gun at the school?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's my question for him, and I've been trying to ask him for the longest time.
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Speaker 1: I think he's out in Aurora these days doing stuff. I honestly don't know where Tay is, but I think the reason you can't get an answer from people on the left is they know there's no good answer. So they do everything humanly possible to avoid the question.
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Dan. I wish we could get a straight answer out of him one time. I wish I could get a straight answer out of our mayor about some things.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me know when you do, Doug. Thank you. I think it's pretty obvious that their lefty politics mean more to them than the life and lives of children. I think it's pretty obvious that they hate guns more than they love children. And for some of them, it appears more than they love their own children. I'd have to have the conversation with them. But when you have these parents who are involved in running a school, and that same parent, a school where their child attends, and you have that same parent then oppose having a good guy or gal with a gun present, what else are you supposed to infer? I don't get the argument on the other side. What's the argument in favor of leaving all those kids... to the monsters to kill as many as they can in the three to five or six or seven minutes and and depending upon how uh sophisticated i use that in quotes evil way sophisticated the monsters are they can buy even more time to slaughter so what's the argument in favor of leaving the children of the monsters i'd really really really like to understand that and and that's that's not entirely true i'd really really really like to have somebody try to make that argument so I can dismember it because we know there is no good argument for that. Let's go back to the phone lines. Jerry, you're on the Dan Kaplan Show.
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Speaker 2: Welcome. Thank you. It's interesting that you start the segment asking the question, what can we learn from Ben? Now, I've been a law enforcement officer in Colorado since 78. And you also questioned the protocols at the time of Columbine. Now and again, there'll be an incident where we learn. Back then, when Columbine occurred, the protocol was that you contain the scene. I don't know how you contain a scene the size of Columbine. But the point is, that was a training at the time. Columbine changed protocols. It's like the shooter in the tower in Austin, Texas. They didn't have SWAT before that. When that incident occurred, that was something completely new. And they started forming SWAT teams. So the Columbine... incident, that caused law enforcement to change the way they responded to these things. The protocol they used worked for years and years before. Columbine was something brand new, something we haven't seen before.
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Speaker 1: Jerry, let me ask you about this. And first, thank you for your service. My dad, an officer for 30 years in Chicago. And, um, And what I would submit to you is you're absolutely right about the explanation we received after Columbine for the refusal to go in immediately. But what I submit to you, having really been around that investigation and studied it, is that that justification was not accurate at the time. That before Columbine, there had been many, many, many school shootings. And that law enforcement agencies... Let me just play this out, and then you can correct me on anything I'm wrong on. Law enforcement agencies knew long before Columbine that if there's an active slaughter going on inside a school and they do not go in, that students are going to be killed. So it never was... was effective prior to Columbine to say, okay, there are students being actively gunned down in this school. We're going to stay outside and contain the scene. That had never worked before Columbine.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't aware of anything prior to Columbine in terms of school shootings. To my knowledge, that was the first one or maybe the first one in Colorado where we actually changed procedures.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Jerry, you're absolutely right. And may I ask you, if you can hold, please do. We're up against a mandatory break and would love more of your expertise. You're 100 percent correct, my friend, that procedures changed after Columbine. What I'm seeing is there was no justification for those procedures on the day of Columbine because everybody knew before Columbine when it's an active shoot, if you don't go right in, innocent people get killed. Everybody knew that before Columbine. The other thing I know, having been very close to that investigation, is you had to a man and to a woman, you had officers at the scene desperately wanting to go in immediately and fight. You had officers at the scene desperately wanting to lay down their lives for those children, and command did not let them do that, and that was wrong.
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Speaker 5: And now, back to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 6: Prognosis for that type of a problem.
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Speaker 1: It's a cancer. It's big stuff.
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Speaker 5: Anytime you have cancer.
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Speaker 6: But the prognosis seems to be good.
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Speaker 5: I've watched.
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Speaker 6: And we just want to wish him our love and our best wishes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that message. That's not what I meant to play, but that's what I played. So and the pope, what I read, said mass in the hospital yesterday. Great sign. So hopefully lots of prayers going up for his recovery. And now here is the hot off the presses Trump joke about calling people Muhammad.
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Speaker 7: Let's go.
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Speaker 6: Who wants to be president, everybody? Who wants to be Muhammad? What about you, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad? Everybody's face. You know, if you doubt about somebody's name from the Middle East, just say Mohammed. You had about a 65% chance.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Mohammed.
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Speaker 6: I've done it for years now. I've never been wrong. But so we say, who wants to be president?
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Speaker 1: No, no, you, Mohammed. You'd be a great. I don't want to be. 303-713-8255, the number D-A-N-57739. Hey, glad you're with us. We are talking about, and I wish it wasn't such a heavy topic on a Friday afternoon, but there's nothing more important right now to be talking about because every single person can agree that it is a sacred obligation to protect innocent children. And we know that these mass school shooters are planning the next ones as we speak. And we know that even the most... These unintelligent, unsophisticated, untrained demons who decide to attack a school can do massive damage in a very short period of time, i.e. yesterday in Oregon. Because what you had at Silver Rail is you had a 16-year-old. Have you seen the pictures of this guy? Have you seen the pictures, Zach? I mean, it's like, and I know kids would look at that guy and just refer to that kid as school shooter. Right. Just has that look and a separate issue. The kid is a special needs student, apparently. But the mother reports are had bought a shotgun about three months ago. It's believed to be not confirmed the same shotgun used in this killing. But here's the point that this this unsophisticated, put that word in quotes, presumably untrained killer. was able to kill three boys ages 5, 8, and 11, a 25-year-old teacher, badly injure a 7-year-old, and badly injure a 54-year-old teacher in under two minutes. Because the hero father, Caleb Germanico, who has kids at the school, but he was just driving by the school when he saw the shooter outside and followed him in, he killed him within two minutes. So that's led to this discussion in Colorado. How do we have all these schools? that have simply decided, no, they're going to leave the kids at the mercy of the monsters when so much killing can be done so quickly. I just think it's immoral and it's unacceptable and we shouldn't allow it to continue. I want to wrap up the call with Jerry, who was kind enough to call. He served in law enforcement, grateful for his service. We were talking about Columbine and Jerry's good point was, hey, after Columbine, a lot of police protocols changed and he's 100% correct. My point was, long before Columbine, Law enforcement across the country knew that if it's an active shooter and you don't go in immediately, that lots of people are going to die. And then the point I was making before the break, Jerry, was that that I know that I bet to a man or woman, but the vast majority of officers at Columbine desperately wanted to go in. They were willing to lay down their lives to save those children. That's why most people like my dad go into law enforcement, and command did not let them go in, which was absolutely wrong of command to refuse them. But that's what came down at Columbine is my understanding.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that. I worked for Jefferson County prior to Columbine. I left Jefferson County prior to Columbine and left. I'm a little bit flattered by your term of expertise when referring to me because I'm just a street guy. And yes, I would have been one of the guys anxious to go. I've been first on scene. I suspect I would have been on the radio and going in right after him. But One can't say what one will do unless they're there. So I'm not about to criticize anybody who is there one way or another. But I just wanted to comment.
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Speaker 7: That Columbine caused a lot of changes. And in subsequent shootings and incidents, we've learned more and more. But We just can't seem.
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Speaker 2: To prevent them. We just, you know, I'm in a rural area now where a lot of people have guns and it's a good 40 minutes to some of our schools. So parents are going to do those first.
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Speaker 1: Boy, Jerry, and that's such a great point. And thank you for that. And then I want to get to the text because that's the point I've been making the entire show. My point is not to be critical of anybody. My point is to save children, to learn the lessons and to save children. And one of those lessons that we knew before Silver Rail yesterday, but we certainly are reminded of through the heroism of the father, is that the greatest law enforcement agency in the world is going to take at least three to five minutes to get there and be able to intervene. And often even very fine law enforcement responses are longer. So in reality, I think there's an obligation on the part of all of us who are comfortable with firearms to be prepared to keep our training up to speed and to be ready to intervene if we need to. I think that there's an obligation on the part of every single person involved in the operation of a school, school board, administrators etc to make sure that there are at all times at schools open at least one good guy or gal with a gun because if you don't then you've made a deliberate premeditated decision to leave those children to the monsters to kill as many as they want in three four five six seven minutes and you saw what happened in rail in less than a minute.
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Speaker 5: You're listening to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 8: Reporting that a shooter had entered the building at Silver Rail Elementary School on Southeast Stone Creek Lane in Bend, Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Dispatch used a.
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Speaker 8: Tone to alert all law enforcement at 1 p.m. One minute later, officers responding to the scene directed the school to go into lockdown at 1.01 p.m. At 1.02 p.m., our first officers arrived on scene. Moments later, an officer reported that the suspect had been shot by a community member who had seen the suspect enter the school and pursued him into the school and engaged him.
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Speaker 1: Thank God for that courageous father of two students at the school. He was just driving by and saw the gunman and followed him, Caleb Germanico. Thank God for him. He had that... that monster killed within a couple of minutes. But even then, so quickly, that this, I assume, we'll find out, maybe facts will show otherwise, but all indications are this 16-year-old Griffin John II, a special needs student, was probably relatively unsophisticated and untrained when it came to firearms usage and was still able to kill a five-year-old boy, an eight-year-old boy, an 11-year-old boy, a 25-year-old teacher, a gravely wounded seven-year-old, and a 54-year-old teacher, all in those first two minutes. And again, thank God for that parent. So we're just talking about lessons learned. What do we need to do? Starting with each of us, looking in the mirror, what do we need to do? And so talking about just speaking for myself, those of us who are comfortable with firearms, I think we have an obligation to the kids. to make sure that we're properly licensed and armed and trained and to keep that training fresh because never know when our intervention may be necessary. Probably never, but how could we justify not taking those steps if it ever was? It's kind of like owning a defibrillator. I mean, you know, how could we ever justify not just buying one and having it handy in case somebody kills over. You know, so I think that's one step. Obviously, you know, we've got to vote out of office. Everybody opposes having armed good guys and gals with guns in these schools because everybody, everybody in charge of a school who decides they're not going to have a good guy or gal with a gun has made a conscious decision to allow the killers to kill as many as they can in the time it takes law enforcement to get there. There's no flaw in that logic. That's, that's, Bulletproof logic, right? And how could any moral person make that decision when it comes to children? Yet I know a lot of moral people who run schools who have made that very decision. How can they do that? I think it's just kind of a willful blind spot. They just never allow themselves as a school board, as a school administration, whatever, to just take those logical steps. They know it's true. They know that their decision means that, yeah, if the monsters choose their school, they're going to be able to kill as many as they can. And you look at STEM, and I know a lot about that because I've had the privilege of representing the Castillo family in that civil litigation under the Claire Davis Act. So, you know, we know through STEM that those killers had a very concrete plan to methodically execute each and every person in the courtroom, in the classroom. And that was their plan. And Kendrick Castillo foiled their plan, gave his life to foil their plan. Other brave students rose up as well. But their plan, they were going to execute them all one by one and pile up the bodies. And so how can schools, people who run schools morally, make that decision not to have the good guy or gal with the gun? I think you have a lot of people out there who sacrifice the safety of the children to political ideology. You have a lot of people out there who hate guns more than they love children. But those people shouldn't be running schools. The monsters are out there. The monsters are common. Not to every school, but they're common. And there's not one school in all of Colorado that can look those parents in the eye and say they're not coming to our school. So how can you ever justify that? failing to do everything in your power to prepare to protect the students. And these reports we're hearing out of Silver Rail, I assume they did not have an armed school resource officer because there's nothing in the report suggesting they did. But again, thank God for that parent going in. Dan, sorry, Columbine is old news of all day, needs to become the standard. Columbine will never be old news in Colorado. It never should be old news in Colorado for lots of different reasons. So many lessons to be learned from Columbine still. And also we have to understand the copycat phenomena among this evil that commits school shootings. Columbine, there are still many who are in a demonic evil way inspired by Columbine who are trying to copycat Columbine. We also can't ignore, you've got to look at causes, and they're not going to be the same in each and every case, but how do you have such a common denominator, not present in every case, but in a strong majority, such as heavy marijuana use, and then decide you're just going to ignore that because it's a sacred cow of the left now, legalization of marijuana? Dan, what if caffeine toxicology was required in all school shooting perps? I text her, I'd need some more from you on that. So please do call or write. Dan, wouldn't it be great if Trump spent more time trying to end the war he started and maybe work on his health care plan than he said he would be ready in two weeks instead of making Muhammad jokes? A couple of things about the president. First, I think, assuming he ends it correctly, probably the most important accomplishment in his entire legacy will be being the first president, either Republican or Democrat, to actually have the courage to stand up and protect this nation from a nuclear-armed Iran. It's going to be the single most important thing, assuming he achieves it, that he's ever done in office. So he did not start this war. The Islamic regime started the war 47 years ago and has been killing Americans ever since. He's just the one president with the guts to end this war in our favor. And when I say guts, I mean physical and in terms of his presidency. On a physical level, he knew when he gave the order to take out that evil General Soleimani that he was putting a target on his back and the back of his family members. He put himself in grave personal risk, safety risk, in order to protect America. And then he's also risked his presidency. on preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. So I think he's done many great things, but this is going to be his most important legacy, that and taking down Roe by actually appointing justices who will interpret the Constitution rather than make law. Yeah, so I commend him for that. And then in terms of the Muhammad jokes, yeah, hey, that's not a joke I would have told. I wish he hadn't told it. Am I glad we have a very funny president? Yes, I am, because I think that makes him very effective. I think that's one reason he won. Had he not won, American democracy would have been gone after 2016, because if you take those three seats, let's say you replace justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett with three Michelle Obama-type justices, I'm talking ideologically, democracy in America is gone. I mean, literally gone because as a, we can go out and vote on stuff, but it doesn't matter in the end because every major policy issue in America would then be decided by a heavily ideological left U.S. Supreme Court, which is going to turn every policy issue of any import into a made up constitutional issue. So Donald Trump and his voters saved democracy in 2016. 303-713-8255-DAN-57739. See, Zach, I told you we were going to keep it light today. We actually started the show talking about Broncos. And I think just touching on that briefly, because it's what most people are talking and thinking about today. It's such an odd thing. I've never seen it in all of sports before, where you have a guy like Bo Nix, who is such a great quarterback. We saw that when he beat Buffalo here last year in the playoffs. Such a great quarterback, such a great human, great Christian, great man. And now he has just lost his ability to play quarterback. And none of us on the outside know why. If I had to bet my car, I would bet it's the ankle. But he can't play quarterback right now. And so... I opened the show saying, you know, in a very sad kind of way, I think he needs to be benched, you know, because including some effort plays last night, but he won't be benched. And it wouldn't surprise me if he bounces back and plays well. But last night, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick, uh, former NFL quarterback had had the guts to say it. And it's true.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad they scored the two touchdowns in the first half, but they were in four minute mode when the second half started. It was really frustrating to watch. And part of it for me is Bo Nix is not playing competitively. It's almost disrespectful to the quarterback position, how he's playing football. What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean when you see what, how is he playing?
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Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, the guy doesn't want to throw the ball.
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Speaker 1: That's fine.
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Speaker 3: He's throwing to the flats.
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Speaker 1: He's throwing behind. But he has no trust from his coach.
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Speaker 3: He calls a screenplay on third and eight. Just run up and let the clock keep going. What does he do?
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Speaker 1: He throws it away.
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Speaker 3: Seattle gets the ball.
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Speaker 1: They have a timeout. And then in overtime, he's got two chances to be competitive. The last one being.
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Speaker 3: A designed run for him to run, make somebody missing, get a first down for your football team. Now they're in the locker room right now. They're excited. They won. He's not playing competitive football right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's right. And that's why I would guess, I don't know the man, but I would guess it's probably the ankle. But whatever it is, it's clearly not working. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show.
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Speaker 5: And now, back to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 3: They may have a bunch of Hall of Famers, but we got a bunch of gamers, and the gamers won this week.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: I love that from the Brewers manager. Have you ever heard that before, Zach? I've never heard that before.
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Speaker 5: No, that was great, though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. And it's a great point. It's a great point beyond sports for life, right? It's about who the gamers are. 303-713-8255, DAN-57739. Pretty useless information because we.
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Speaker 1: Are buried in an avalanche of scintillating text, and I want to get to them before the end of the show, just a few minutes away. We're talking for context on these texts. A lot of the show's been devoted to lessons learned from the Silver Rail shooting in Oregon, what we need to do here in Colorado to protect the kids' because we know the monsters are coming. Dan, of all the killer 20 minutes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And listen, somebody else had made the point earlier about of all day now being the primary source of lessons of all days, a very important lesson. And the very important lesson from Evalde, once again, is that schools have to be designed in such a way that law enforcement can get at the shooters. And in Evalde, you had a situation where that door was locked, as I recall, the investigation, and it made it more difficult for law enforcement to get in. But at the same time, and I say this as proven over 30 years, the person on air with the most respect for law enforcement. And there are so many people on air with respect for law enforcement. But my dad, a cop for 30 years. Yeah, I get it. But when you've got kids in there being massacred, there's no alternative. Got to go through the door. And Dan, every school shooting gives the left another chance to punish an outlaw legal gun owners. Yeah, but that doesn't work for them because people love their kids more than they love their political party. Most people. Unfortunately, you get a lot of people running schools who put their political ideology ahead of the safety of children, and they don't allow a good guy or gal with a gun in the school. That's very unfortunate. But when you talk about voters, yeah, most parents who normally vote Democrat love their kids more than the Democratic Party. So this argument that, oh, no, no, we— you know, the answer to protecting these kids is more gun laws— smart people who love their kids understand that people willing to mass murder children don't care about gun laws. If they're willing to violate the law against murder, they're willing to violate the law against possession of a firearm. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have the gun laws that make sense, but we've got to be clear eyed and honest about what we need to do to save kids from the next school shooter. Dan, thank you. Thank Jesus. Tim Tebow is coming back to the Broncos. Um, You know, that spins off our football discussion earlier, and I was just making the point that way back when, you know, before the Broncos got Tebow and after they got Tebow, I was right about Tebow, which was he should have been their quarterback, and he should have been their quarterback for 10 more years after he won that playoff game against Pittsburgh. And the fans and the franchise have paid the price for not having him. And so that goes back to our Tebow discussion, and it's really sad that arrow's missed. Silver lining? Hey, we got Peyton Manning for a sugar high, and Peyton Manning, one of the greatest to ever live, and a super guy, and great for the community. But we would have had 10 years of great, compelling football that really meant something beyond football if Tim Tebow had not been run off. Dan, do we know how the 16-year-old got the gun? We don't. The reporting at this point is his mother had bought a shotgun in August. But at this point, we don't have those dots connected. Dan, two shooters got in the building. What if the good guy had been an accomplice? There's no reporting I'm aware of of two shooters in the building at all. All of the reporting and official accounts are the shooting starts at 1259. Shooter enters the building, kills a 5-year-old, 8-year-old, 11-year-old boy, 25-year-old teacher, seriously wounds a 7-year-old and a 54-year-old teacher all in a minute and a half maybe. is the current reporting. Obviously, we don't have this officially yet. And then the hero father, who's just driving by at the time, follows the shooter into the school, takes him down within two minutes at Caled Germanico. Dan, Ken Buck was on your show a month ago on Tuesday, September 15, and I still have a bad taste in my mouth because of it. Yeah, I was in trial on that date, so it must have been somebody else who had Ken on, which they're more than welcome to. I'll go back, listen to the tape, see what Ken had to say. I was just making the point earlier. As somebody who's really enjoyed Ken over the years, even when we disagreed, he's been on the show many, many times. I really want to get him back on the show. I texted him immediately upon the news that he had endorsed Phil Weiser because I wanted to ask him, how can you possibly do that? You've been a pro-life champion for years. You know that the abortion is the taking of an innocent human life in a violent way. How could you ever endorse somebody who promotes that, expands it? I just don't get that. It would be like somebody who had been a great champion against slavery, a great abolitionist, then voting for a candidate who wanted to use their power to enslave people. I just don't get it. So hopefully we'll get Ken on the show and we will have that conversation. See, Zach, I told you we'd keep it light on this beautiful afternoon. But all this stuff is so important, right? It's going to be a magnificent weekend ahead. I hope you enjoy every single minute of it. You too, Zach, the newly engaged Zach. I'm sure you guys will make the most of it. And then God management willing, we look forward to being back here Monday at 4.06 on the Dan Kaplan Show.
Speaker 1: This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five-star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform. I had a light show planned, but we just don't have that option because we're getting more information. on the Oregon school shooting. And we should be talking about that anyway, no matter where it happens. But it also obviously applies to us very directly here in Colorado and everywhere in America. We know Colorado has been kind of a ground zero for these monsters to attack. And we can talk about the reasons for that. But we also know, as we sit here right now, we can debate the numbers. Maybe it's 25, maybe it's 100. But we know that lots of school shootings are being planned for Colorado as we speak. We just know that. And we know that there are going to be more. And so the question is, you know, what are we going to do about it? And what can we learn from what just happened in Oregon and apply here to help fulfill our sacred duty of doing everything we can, every man and woman listening to this show, everything within our power and skill set to To protect innocent children. That's a starting point for any civilized society. Now, in Colorado, you see that being forfeited. You see many now under the guise of their woke ideology. want to sort of forfeit that, deny it, reject that responsibility to protect innocent children. But the vast majority of us across party lines see that duty, and the only question is whether we're going to fulfill it and how. So we're drilling down into that. I want to get you the fresh facts, and we'll go to our fiery phone lines and text as well. So here's the latest information. The monster, Griffin John II, 16... He entered that school at about 12.59 p.m. He started shooting outside the school. The hero, father, with two children in the school, wasn't going to school. He was driving by the school when he saw the shooter, and he followed the shooter into the school. Just saw a picture, which appears to be real, of the father following the killer into the school, and it's very, very powerful. So if it's real, I'll distribute it. The hero, Caleb Germanico, 36, I believe, then follows him into the school and kills him by 101. So he kills him within two minutes of this starting. And yet by that time, we already have a five-year-old boy, an eight-year-old boy, an 11-year-old boy killed, a 25-year-old teacher killed. a seven year old, very badly wounded, a 54 year old teacher, very badly wounded. And this is after the hero father was able to kill the monster within two minutes. The monster still had 44 rounds left with his shotgun. Another teacher had thrown a phone at the attacker and had tackled and fought with the attacker. All of this is coming down in the first two to three minutes. So the point is we go back to the phone lines, and text is the point I've been hammering on for years. And I've had some in-depth exposure to at least two of the biggest school shootings in this state's history, Columbine and then a recent very horrific school shooting at STEM. So here is what we know as we go back to the phone lines. And everybody, every member of every school board in Colorado knows this. Every member of administration of every Colorado school knows this, that unless there is a good guy or gal embedded in the school with a gun, if the monster or monsters choose your school, they're going to have at least three to five minutes to kill as many as they can. That's the undeniable reality. Those facts are accepted by everybody. So then why do you have so many in charge? decide they're going to leave those kids defenseless. And if the monsters come to their school, they get to kill as many as they can for at least three to five minutes. How can anybody justify that? What do we need to change there? All righty. Let's go to the phone lines. We'll start with Doug here on the Dan Kaplan show. Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Dan, can you hear me now? Yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, this all goes back.
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Speaker 4: A couple of years, and the only person who can really answer these great questions you have would be Tay Anderson. He's the one that knows why we don't need resource officers in our schools right now.
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Speaker 1: You are very well informed. You've been around a while.
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Speaker 2: I've been listening to you for a while.
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Speaker 1: But you start in a good place. So why do these people— let' s take Tay as an example. And I remember when Tay was— relatively normal lefty used to come on the show. Why do you think Tay and other lefties reject school resource officers and say, no, we just want to leave the kids at the mercy of the killers? Now, Tay would disagree with that characterization, and maybe he has changed his position on school resource officers. But why do so many on the left oppose having a good guy or gal with a gun at the school?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's my question for him, and I've been trying to ask him for the longest time.
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Speaker 1: I think he's out in Aurora these days doing stuff. I honestly don't know where Tay is, but I think the reason you can't get an answer from people on the left is they know there's no good answer. So they do everything humanly possible to avoid the question.
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Dan. I wish we could get a straight answer out of him one time. I wish I could get a straight answer out of our mayor about some things.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me know when you do, Doug. Thank you. I think it's pretty obvious that their lefty politics mean more to them than the life and lives of children. I think it's pretty obvious that they hate guns more than they love children. And for some of them, it appears more than they love their own children. I'd have to have the conversation with them. But when you have these parents who are involved in running a school, and that same parent, a school where their child attends, and you have that same parent then oppose having a good guy or gal with a gun present, what else are you supposed to infer? I don't get the argument on the other side. What's the argument in favor of leaving all those kids... to the monsters to kill as many as they can in the three to five or six or seven minutes and and depending upon how uh sophisticated i use that in quotes evil way sophisticated the monsters are they can buy even more time to slaughter so what's the argument in favor of leaving the children of the monsters i'd really really really like to understand that and and that's that's not entirely true i'd really really really like to have somebody try to make that argument so I can dismember it because we know there is no good argument for that. Let's go back to the phone lines. Jerry, you're on the Dan Kaplan Show.
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Speaker 2: Welcome. Thank you. It's interesting that you start the segment asking the question, what can we learn from Ben? Now, I've been a law enforcement officer in Colorado since 78. And you also questioned the protocols at the time of Columbine. Now and again, there'll be an incident where we learn. Back then, when Columbine occurred, the protocol was that you contain the scene. I don't know how you contain a scene the size of Columbine. But the point is, that was a training at the time. Columbine changed protocols. It's like the shooter in the tower in Austin, Texas. They didn't have SWAT before that. When that incident occurred, that was something completely new. And they started forming SWAT teams. So the Columbine... incident, that caused law enforcement to change the way they responded to these things. The protocol they used worked for years and years before. Columbine was something brand new, something we haven't seen before.
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Speaker 1: Jerry, let me ask you about this. And first, thank you for your service. My dad, an officer for 30 years in Chicago. And, um, And what I would submit to you is you're absolutely right about the explanation we received after Columbine for the refusal to go in immediately. But what I submit to you, having really been around that investigation and studied it, is that that justification was not accurate at the time. That before Columbine, there had been many, many, many school shootings. And that law enforcement agencies... Let me just play this out, and then you can correct me on anything I'm wrong on. Law enforcement agencies knew long before Columbine that if there's an active slaughter going on inside a school and they do not go in, that students are going to be killed. So it never was... was effective prior to Columbine to say, okay, there are students being actively gunned down in this school. We're going to stay outside and contain the scene. That had never worked before Columbine.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't aware of anything prior to Columbine in terms of school shootings. To my knowledge, that was the first one or maybe the first one in Colorado where we actually changed procedures.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Jerry, you're absolutely right. And may I ask you, if you can hold, please do. We're up against a mandatory break and would love more of your expertise. You're 100 percent correct, my friend, that procedures changed after Columbine. What I'm seeing is there was no justification for those procedures on the day of Columbine because everybody knew before Columbine when it's an active shoot, if you don't go right in, innocent people get killed. Everybody knew that before Columbine. The other thing I know, having been very close to that investigation, is you had to a man and to a woman, you had officers at the scene desperately wanting to go in immediately and fight. You had officers at the scene desperately wanting to lay down their lives for those children, and command did not let them do that, and that was wrong.
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Speaker 5: And now, back to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 6: Prognosis for that type of a problem.
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Speaker 1: It's a cancer. It's big stuff.
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Speaker 5: Anytime you have cancer.
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Speaker 6: But the prognosis seems to be good.
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Speaker 5: I've watched.
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Speaker 6: And we just want to wish him our love and our best wishes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that message. That's not what I meant to play, but that's what I played. So and the pope, what I read, said mass in the hospital yesterday. Great sign. So hopefully lots of prayers going up for his recovery. And now here is the hot off the presses Trump joke about calling people Muhammad.
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Speaker 7: Let's go.
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Speaker 6: Who wants to be president, everybody? Who wants to be Muhammad? What about you, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad? Everybody's face. You know, if you doubt about somebody's name from the Middle East, just say Mohammed. You had about a 65% chance.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Mohammed.
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Speaker 6: I've done it for years now. I've never been wrong. But so we say, who wants to be president?
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Speaker 1: No, no, you, Mohammed. You'd be a great. I don't want to be. 303-713-8255, the number D-A-N-57739. Hey, glad you're with us. We are talking about, and I wish it wasn't such a heavy topic on a Friday afternoon, but there's nothing more important right now to be talking about because every single person can agree that it is a sacred obligation to protect innocent children. And we know that these mass school shooters are planning the next ones as we speak. And we know that even the most... These unintelligent, unsophisticated, untrained demons who decide to attack a school can do massive damage in a very short period of time, i.e. yesterday in Oregon. Because what you had at Silver Rail is you had a 16-year-old. Have you seen the pictures of this guy? Have you seen the pictures, Zach? I mean, it's like, and I know kids would look at that guy and just refer to that kid as school shooter. Right. Just has that look and a separate issue. The kid is a special needs student, apparently. But the mother reports are had bought a shotgun about three months ago. It's believed to be not confirmed the same shotgun used in this killing. But here's the point that this this unsophisticated, put that word in quotes, presumably untrained killer. was able to kill three boys ages 5, 8, and 11, a 25-year-old teacher, badly injure a 7-year-old, and badly injure a 54-year-old teacher in under two minutes. Because the hero father, Caleb Germanico, who has kids at the school, but he was just driving by the school when he saw the shooter outside and followed him in, he killed him within two minutes. So that's led to this discussion in Colorado. How do we have all these schools? that have simply decided, no, they're going to leave the kids at the mercy of the monsters when so much killing can be done so quickly. I just think it's immoral and it's unacceptable and we shouldn't allow it to continue. I want to wrap up the call with Jerry, who was kind enough to call. He served in law enforcement, grateful for his service. We were talking about Columbine and Jerry's good point was, hey, after Columbine, a lot of police protocols changed and he's 100% correct. My point was, long before Columbine, Law enforcement across the country knew that if it's an active shooter and you don't go in immediately, that lots of people are going to die. And then the point I was making before the break, Jerry, was that that I know that I bet to a man or woman, but the vast majority of officers at Columbine desperately wanted to go in. They were willing to lay down their lives to save those children. That's why most people like my dad go into law enforcement, and command did not let them go in, which was absolutely wrong of command to refuse them. But that's what came down at Columbine is my understanding.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that. I worked for Jefferson County prior to Columbine. I left Jefferson County prior to Columbine and left. I'm a little bit flattered by your term of expertise when referring to me because I'm just a street guy. And yes, I would have been one of the guys anxious to go. I've been first on scene. I suspect I would have been on the radio and going in right after him. But One can't say what one will do unless they're there. So I'm not about to criticize anybody who is there one way or another. But I just wanted to comment.
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Speaker 7: That Columbine caused a lot of changes. And in subsequent shootings and incidents, we've learned more and more. But We just can't seem.
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Speaker 2: To prevent them. We just, you know, I'm in a rural area now where a lot of people have guns and it's a good 40 minutes to some of our schools. So parents are going to do those first.
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Speaker 1: Boy, Jerry, and that's such a great point. And thank you for that. And then I want to get to the text because that's the point I've been making the entire show. My point is not to be critical of anybody. My point is to save children, to learn the lessons and to save children. And one of those lessons that we knew before Silver Rail yesterday, but we certainly are reminded of through the heroism of the father, is that the greatest law enforcement agency in the world is going to take at least three to five minutes to get there and be able to intervene. And often even very fine law enforcement responses are longer. So in reality, I think there's an obligation on the part of all of us who are comfortable with firearms to be prepared to keep our training up to speed and to be ready to intervene if we need to. I think that there's an obligation on the part of every single person involved in the operation of a school, school board, administrators etc to make sure that there are at all times at schools open at least one good guy or gal with a gun because if you don't then you've made a deliberate premeditated decision to leave those children to the monsters to kill as many as they want in three four five six seven minutes and you saw what happened in rail in less than a minute.
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Speaker 5: You're listening to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 8: Reporting that a shooter had entered the building at Silver Rail Elementary School on Southeast Stone Creek Lane in Bend, Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Dispatch used a.
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Speaker 8: Tone to alert all law enforcement at 1 p.m. One minute later, officers responding to the scene directed the school to go into lockdown at 1.01 p.m. At 1.02 p.m., our first officers arrived on scene. Moments later, an officer reported that the suspect had been shot by a community member who had seen the suspect enter the school and pursued him into the school and engaged him.
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Speaker 1: Thank God for that courageous father of two students at the school. He was just driving by and saw the gunman and followed him, Caleb Germanico. Thank God for him. He had that... that monster killed within a couple of minutes. But even then, so quickly, that this, I assume, we'll find out, maybe facts will show otherwise, but all indications are this 16-year-old Griffin John II, a special needs student, was probably relatively unsophisticated and untrained when it came to firearms usage and was still able to kill a five-year-old boy, an eight-year-old boy, an 11-year-old boy, a 25-year-old teacher, a gravely wounded seven-year-old, and a 54-year-old teacher, all in those first two minutes. And again, thank God for that parent. So we're just talking about lessons learned. What do we need to do? Starting with each of us, looking in the mirror, what do we need to do? And so talking about just speaking for myself, those of us who are comfortable with firearms, I think we have an obligation to the kids. to make sure that we're properly licensed and armed and trained and to keep that training fresh because never know when our intervention may be necessary. Probably never, but how could we justify not taking those steps if it ever was? It's kind of like owning a defibrillator. I mean, you know, how could we ever justify not just buying one and having it handy in case somebody kills over. You know, so I think that's one step. Obviously, you know, we've got to vote out of office. Everybody opposes having armed good guys and gals with guns in these schools because everybody, everybody in charge of a school who decides they're not going to have a good guy or gal with a gun has made a conscious decision to allow the killers to kill as many as they can in the time it takes law enforcement to get there. There's no flaw in that logic. That's, that's, Bulletproof logic, right? And how could any moral person make that decision when it comes to children? Yet I know a lot of moral people who run schools who have made that very decision. How can they do that? I think it's just kind of a willful blind spot. They just never allow themselves as a school board, as a school administration, whatever, to just take those logical steps. They know it's true. They know that their decision means that, yeah, if the monsters choose their school, they're going to be able to kill as many as they can. And you look at STEM, and I know a lot about that because I've had the privilege of representing the Castillo family in that civil litigation under the Claire Davis Act. So, you know, we know through STEM that those killers had a very concrete plan to methodically execute each and every person in the courtroom, in the classroom. And that was their plan. And Kendrick Castillo foiled their plan, gave his life to foil their plan. Other brave students rose up as well. But their plan, they were going to execute them all one by one and pile up the bodies. And so how can schools, people who run schools morally, make that decision not to have the good guy or gal with the gun? I think you have a lot of people out there who sacrifice the safety of the children to political ideology. You have a lot of people out there who hate guns more than they love children. But those people shouldn't be running schools. The monsters are out there. The monsters are common. Not to every school, but they're common. And there's not one school in all of Colorado that can look those parents in the eye and say they're not coming to our school. So how can you ever justify that? failing to do everything in your power to prepare to protect the students. And these reports we're hearing out of Silver Rail, I assume they did not have an armed school resource officer because there's nothing in the report suggesting they did. But again, thank God for that parent going in. Dan, sorry, Columbine is old news of all day, needs to become the standard. Columbine will never be old news in Colorado. It never should be old news in Colorado for lots of different reasons. So many lessons to be learned from Columbine still. And also we have to understand the copycat phenomena among this evil that commits school shootings. Columbine, there are still many who are in a demonic evil way inspired by Columbine who are trying to copycat Columbine. We also can't ignore, you've got to look at causes, and they're not going to be the same in each and every case, but how do you have such a common denominator, not present in every case, but in a strong majority, such as heavy marijuana use, and then decide you're just going to ignore that because it's a sacred cow of the left now, legalization of marijuana? Dan, what if caffeine toxicology was required in all school shooting perps? I text her, I'd need some more from you on that. So please do call or write. Dan, wouldn't it be great if Trump spent more time trying to end the war he started and maybe work on his health care plan than he said he would be ready in two weeks instead of making Muhammad jokes? A couple of things about the president. First, I think, assuming he ends it correctly, probably the most important accomplishment in his entire legacy will be being the first president, either Republican or Democrat, to actually have the courage to stand up and protect this nation from a nuclear-armed Iran. It's going to be the single most important thing, assuming he achieves it, that he's ever done in office. So he did not start this war. The Islamic regime started the war 47 years ago and has been killing Americans ever since. He's just the one president with the guts to end this war in our favor. And when I say guts, I mean physical and in terms of his presidency. On a physical level, he knew when he gave the order to take out that evil General Soleimani that he was putting a target on his back and the back of his family members. He put himself in grave personal risk, safety risk, in order to protect America. And then he's also risked his presidency. on preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. So I think he's done many great things, but this is going to be his most important legacy, that and taking down Roe by actually appointing justices who will interpret the Constitution rather than make law. Yeah, so I commend him for that. And then in terms of the Muhammad jokes, yeah, hey, that's not a joke I would have told. I wish he hadn't told it. Am I glad we have a very funny president? Yes, I am, because I think that makes him very effective. I think that's one reason he won. Had he not won, American democracy would have been gone after 2016, because if you take those three seats, let's say you replace justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett with three Michelle Obama-type justices, I'm talking ideologically, democracy in America is gone. I mean, literally gone because as a, we can go out and vote on stuff, but it doesn't matter in the end because every major policy issue in America would then be decided by a heavily ideological left U.S. Supreme Court, which is going to turn every policy issue of any import into a made up constitutional issue. So Donald Trump and his voters saved democracy in 2016. 303-713-8255-DAN-57739. See, Zach, I told you we were going to keep it light today. We actually started the show talking about Broncos. And I think just touching on that briefly, because it's what most people are talking and thinking about today. It's such an odd thing. I've never seen it in all of sports before, where you have a guy like Bo Nix, who is such a great quarterback. We saw that when he beat Buffalo here last year in the playoffs. Such a great quarterback, such a great human, great Christian, great man. And now he has just lost his ability to play quarterback. And none of us on the outside know why. If I had to bet my car, I would bet it's the ankle. But he can't play quarterback right now. And so... I opened the show saying, you know, in a very sad kind of way, I think he needs to be benched, you know, because including some effort plays last night, but he won't be benched. And it wouldn't surprise me if he bounces back and plays well. But last night, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick, uh, former NFL quarterback had had the guts to say it. And it's true.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad they scored the two touchdowns in the first half, but they were in four minute mode when the second half started. It was really frustrating to watch. And part of it for me is Bo Nix is not playing competitively. It's almost disrespectful to the quarterback position, how he's playing football. What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean when you see what, how is he playing?
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Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, the guy doesn't want to throw the ball.
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Speaker 1: That's fine.
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Speaker 3: He's throwing to the flats.
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Speaker 1: He's throwing behind. But he has no trust from his coach.
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Speaker 3: He calls a screenplay on third and eight. Just run up and let the clock keep going. What does he do?
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Speaker 1: He throws it away.
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Speaker 3: Seattle gets the ball.
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Speaker 1: They have a timeout. And then in overtime, he's got two chances to be competitive. The last one being.
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Speaker 3: A designed run for him to run, make somebody missing, get a first down for your football team. Now they're in the locker room right now. They're excited. They won. He's not playing competitive football right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's right. And that's why I would guess, I don't know the man, but I would guess it's probably the ankle. But whatever it is, it's clearly not working. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show.
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Speaker 5: And now, back to the Dan Kaplan Show podcast.
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Speaker 3: They may have a bunch of Hall of Famers, but we got a bunch of gamers, and the gamers won this week.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: I love that from the Brewers manager. Have you ever heard that before, Zach? I've never heard that before.
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Speaker 5: No, that was great, though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. And it's a great point. It's a great point beyond sports for life, right? It's about who the gamers are. 303-713-8255, DAN-57739. Pretty useless information because we.
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Speaker 1: Are buried in an avalanche of scintillating text, and I want to get to them before the end of the show, just a few minutes away. We're talking for context on these texts. A lot of the show's been devoted to lessons learned from the Silver Rail shooting in Oregon, what we need to do here in Colorado to protect the kids' because we know the monsters are coming. Dan, of all the killer 20 minutes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And listen, somebody else had made the point earlier about of all day now being the primary source of lessons of all days, a very important lesson. And the very important lesson from Evalde, once again, is that schools have to be designed in such a way that law enforcement can get at the shooters. And in Evalde, you had a situation where that door was locked, as I recall, the investigation, and it made it more difficult for law enforcement to get in. But at the same time, and I say this as proven over 30 years, the person on air with the most respect for law enforcement. And there are so many people on air with respect for law enforcement. But my dad, a cop for 30 years. Yeah, I get it. But when you've got kids in there being massacred, there's no alternative. Got to go through the door. And Dan, every school shooting gives the left another chance to punish an outlaw legal gun owners. Yeah, but that doesn't work for them because people love their kids more than they love their political party. Most people. Unfortunately, you get a lot of people running schools who put their political ideology ahead of the safety of children, and they don't allow a good guy or gal with a gun in the school. That's very unfortunate. But when you talk about voters, yeah, most parents who normally vote Democrat love their kids more than the Democratic Party. So this argument that, oh, no, no, we— you know, the answer to protecting these kids is more gun laws— smart people who love their kids understand that people willing to mass murder children don't care about gun laws. If they're willing to violate the law against murder, they're willing to violate the law against possession of a firearm. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have the gun laws that make sense, but we've got to be clear eyed and honest about what we need to do to save kids from the next school shooter. Dan, thank you. Thank Jesus. Tim Tebow is coming back to the Broncos. Um, You know, that spins off our football discussion earlier, and I was just making the point that way back when, you know, before the Broncos got Tebow and after they got Tebow, I was right about Tebow, which was he should have been their quarterback, and he should have been their quarterback for 10 more years after he won that playoff game against Pittsburgh. And the fans and the franchise have paid the price for not having him. And so that goes back to our Tebow discussion, and it's really sad that arrow's missed. Silver lining? Hey, we got Peyton Manning for a sugar high, and Peyton Manning, one of the greatest to ever live, and a super guy, and great for the community. But we would have had 10 years of great, compelling football that really meant something beyond football if Tim Tebow had not been run off. Dan, do we know how the 16-year-old got the gun? We don't. The reporting at this point is his mother had bought a shotgun in August. But at this point, we don't have those dots connected. Dan, two shooters got in the building. What if the good guy had been an accomplice? There's no reporting I'm aware of of two shooters in the building at all. All of the reporting and official accounts are the shooting starts at 1259. Shooter enters the building, kills a 5-year-old, 8-year-old, 11-year-old boy, 25-year-old teacher, seriously wounds a 7-year-old and a 54-year-old teacher all in a minute and a half maybe. is the current reporting. Obviously, we don't have this officially yet. And then the hero father, who's just driving by at the time, follows the shooter into the school, takes him down within two minutes at Caled Germanico. Dan, Ken Buck was on your show a month ago on Tuesday, September 15, and I still have a bad taste in my mouth because of it. Yeah, I was in trial on that date, so it must have been somebody else who had Ken on, which they're more than welcome to. I'll go back, listen to the tape, see what Ken had to say. I was just making the point earlier. As somebody who's really enjoyed Ken over the years, even when we disagreed, he's been on the show many, many times. I really want to get him back on the show. I texted him immediately upon the news that he had endorsed Phil Weiser because I wanted to ask him, how can you possibly do that? You've been a pro-life champion for years. You know that the abortion is the taking of an innocent human life in a violent way. How could you ever endorse somebody who promotes that, expands it? I just don't get that. It would be like somebody who had been a great champion against slavery, a great abolitionist, then voting for a candidate who wanted to use their power to enslave people. I just don't get it. So hopefully we'll get Ken on the show and we will have that conversation. See, Zach, I told you we'd keep it light on this beautiful afternoon. But all this stuff is so important, right? It's going to be a magnificent weekend ahead. I hope you enjoy every single minute of it. You too, Zach, the newly engaged Zach. I'm sure you guys will make the most of it. And then God management willing, we look forward to being back here Monday at 4.06 on the Dan Kaplan Show.
