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Yeah, so let's talk about diarrhoea because it's one of the most delightful things we can talk about.
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I mean, if when everyone's talking to me, I'm always like, let's talk about diarrhea, so let's let's do it.
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You sound like a veterinarian.
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Yeah, of course.
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We're all about talking about things like this.
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The wetter the better.
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Together, an industry disruptor.
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And renowned veterinarian discuss and debate, establish norms and new ideas in the pet world.
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This is challenging pet health.
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Good morning, Katie.
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Good morning, Clayton.
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How are you today?
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I'm excellent.
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How are you?
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Phenomenal.
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Every day is another exciting adventure.
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Yeah.
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Love that attitude.
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And what exciting adventures have we got planned for today?
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It's gotta be something fun, right?
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All right.
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Well, I'll just tell you how I started my day before we met here.
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I was following up with clients and um responding to questions and emails and looking at a bunch of pictures of poop, which I have clients send me poop pictures all the time.
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And oftentimes they'll apologize.
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Sorry to send this, but I really want you to see this.
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And I'm like, hey, I'm all about poop.
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I love seeing a picture that describes, you know, how my patients are doing because the quality of stool really is a good representation of a lot of things in health.
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Lots of pets have obviously issues with stools and diarrhea.
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And it's one of the most common concerns that pet parents have, and one of the biggest reasons that pets go to veterinarians.
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Yeah.
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Reminds me of uh, you know, uh my early internet usage, seeing loads of pictures of poop on the internet.
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So yeah, no, I think I think that's something we can definitely talk about.
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Do you take pictures of your pets poop and share them?
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No, it's only ever been my own to send via Snapchat to my friends, to be honest.
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All right, all right.
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Maybe we can redirect this conversation that's beginning to um, yeah, to really how this applies to pet parents getting some more information to figure out when their pets might need some medical attention and quite frankly, what we can do better to just support good digestion and good stool quality.
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What is a healthy, what does a healthy turd look like?
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We say, you know, in good form where it's easy to pick up and it doesn't leave a bunch of residue on the grass or the surface that you're picking it up from.
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If it just kind of oozes everywhere, then it could be of better quality.
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Um the other thing that a lot of pet stools will show as, you know, being off or or at least somewhat abnormal is a layer of mucus or a a lot of mucus all over it, a big layer of slime and and um heavy mucus.
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Um sometimes there's blood, you know, in a colitis situation, colitis, you know, the colon, um, when it gets inflamed, then it bleeds easily.
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And so there might be a little bit of um, or you know, sometimes varying amounts of blood on the stool.
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And that really concerns a lot of people.
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If you see any blood, um a lot of people, you know, may rush, you know, into the vet.
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So I think it's one of those things, like when we like talk about dog, dog, dog poop, is um like people kind of get a little bit obsessed with it.
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They can.
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Absolutely.
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It's a good thing to do.
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Oh, it's like lovely and firm.
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I mean, the amount of conversation, oh my dog he has lovely, firm turds, it's amazing.
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I just you know, it's like I go out and it's like a brick out there on the floor, you know.
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I would agree that some pet parents might get a little fixating, you know, on the stool having to be perfect 100% of the time.
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And if it's not, they get concerned or worried.
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Um, and so some variability is to be expected, of course.
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But there's also a lot to be said of when a pet's really inconsistent, because that, you know, the other end of the spectrum.
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Um, or if they're chronically soft, you know, and the stool's never really, you know, formed and easy to pick up.
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Um, and then, you know, full-on diarrhea.
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Yeah.
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So let's talk about diet the diarrhea because it's one of the most delightful things we can talk about.
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I mean, if when everyone's talking to me, I'm always like, let's talk about diarrhea.
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So let's let's do it.
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You sound like a veterinarian.
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Yeah, of course.
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We're all about talking about things like this.
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Yeah, no, the wetter the better.
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That's the spoof.
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And diarrhea is such a common problem.
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You know, again, it's it's one of the big reasons why people contact their veterinarian.
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So it's a great thing to talk about.
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So, what are some of the causes of diarrhea?
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The first thing we like to say in veterinary speak is dietary indiscretion, which basically means they got into something, they ate something that's not typical for them, you know, it set their gut off because they're not used to it or they're sensitive.
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And then there's also um microbiome disturbances, you know, sometimes it's a dysbiosis where there's an overgrowth of bacteria or harmful bacteria that's lending to a diarrhea or, you know, GI issue.
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And then a lot of times it's just a digestive disorder of some type, like a real illness, which could be a pancreatitis, which can happen acutely.
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Dog can be fine, and then, you know, or even cats get pancreatitis, um, and their situation is generally a little more chronic, but in dogs it usually presents acutely with diarrhea andor vomiting.
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And there's IBD, inflammatory bowel disease, is a very common condition.
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So lots of different, you know, illnesses that can present with diarrhea.
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And then another cause, which is quite common too, and something very simple to test for and rule out is parasites.
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So, and a lot of times we get into thinking about, as a veterinarian, all these causes of what diarrhea could be.
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And sometimes we have to step back and go, oh, did we check for parasites?
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Because that's an easy thing to do right off the bat to make sure we're not missing something in that category.
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So I would say the qualifiers there are that if it's, you know, there's an episode of diarrhea or soft stools, but the pet's still happy, good energy, running around, being, you know, its normal self, normal attitude, then monitoring them for, you know, a couple of, you know, one to two days, 24 to 48 hours is fine.
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Um, and in a lot of situations, it's gonna self-correct.
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Now, on the other hand, if they're also vomiting or they're acting ill and they're lethargic and acting like they don't feel well, low energy, then that would be more of a priority to actually, you know, have them evaluated by a veterinarian.
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I mean, if I if I had to go to the doctor every time I had a a case of you know, soft stool.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You'd be at the doctor a lot.
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Brown soup or whatever you want to call it.
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Like Yeah.
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Like I I'd be there.
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Really, it's if it extends beyond, you know, uh one day, you know, a normal uh, you know, episode of an acute issue.
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Um, so certainly if it extends and it's chronic, or if the person or the pet is feeling really sick, you know, dehydration can occur too.
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So sometimes for a pet or a person, if you do have that level of illness with vomiting and diarrhea, you might need some hydration to support you to, you know, bounce back.
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So when would you start to put it into the category of, okay, we need to maybe look at what the causes are behind that?
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If it's happening not every day, but it's still frequent, like intermittent, like there's several soft stools a week, or you know, there's varying degrees, but it's never really firm.
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I mean, those are definitely situations where you want to have some diagnostic diagnostic testing done and to be evaluated by a by a veterinarian.
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So when a pet comes in, um, obviously we, you know, ask all the questions, how long's this been going on?
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You know, what's the character?
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We look at poo pictures if the pet parent has taken them for us, because that tells me a lot of information about where to go next with my recommendations.
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And then I like to do parasite screening tests on those stools.
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And um, depending on, you know, how the pet is doing, blood work and other things to check pancreas levels, etc.
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Going to veterinarian is expensive.
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And like, would you say it's worth trying something like a pumpkin powder first?
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Like, which is which is absolutely.
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And so from the holistic integrative angle, what I would say is diagnostic testing can always be useful.
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You don't necessarily have to jump into that right away, and then unless it looks like there's a real reason where we need to start looking for cause.
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But I'm always for supporting the body to get back on track with natural tools.
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And in, you know, standard veterinary medicine and conventional veterinary medicine, it would have been extremely common and still is to some extent to support a pet, you know, to treat a pet with antibiotics.
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And metronidazole happens to be, you know, kind of the go-to for diarrhea.
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A lot of people may recognize the name flagell, because that was the long-term um trade name of it, and now it's pretty much always generic.
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But antibiotics are are commonly used.
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However, I'm very happy to say that there is a huge trend and shift away from that.
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There are many articles coming out in veterinary journals and continue continuing education classes that we are creating a lot of resistance with the overuse of antibiotics, just like in the human field.
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I was gonna say, because if you're saying that there's like a gut biome problem using antibiotics, surely we'll just like murder the good bacteria in there.
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Yeah, it's a heavy-handed way of saying, yes, we're killing off really good bacteria.
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And so we're now recognizing with all the studies and all the data out there that, and I've known this as an integrative veterinarian for years, that the vast majority of diarrhea problems are going to resolve without the use of antibiotics.
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And maybe in some extreme cases, you know, you could you can justify the use of antibiotics, but by and large, most of the time, antibiotics are not necessary to resolve these issues.
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And oftentimes, as you said, can make problems worse ultimately because we're really hitting the microbiome and causing, you know, more issues by killing off the good bacteria in the gut every time we use antibiotics.
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So a lot of conventional vets, and this really excites me, are veering away from just blanketly prescribing antibiotics for diarrhea now, and they're sending pets home with probiotics and often rema recommending fiber as well.
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Something like psyllium or as you just brought up, pumpkin powder.
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So yeah, that's a really good thing.
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And you know, mainstream veterinarians are recognizing that now too.
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But that's a great tool in the natural care toolbox.
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At what stage do you then like move to the next level?
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Because I okay, you're you've started off your dog's, you know, loose and then you've given it a prebiotic, fiber, that sort of stuff.
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Uh, what what stage then do you then like okay, this is maybe more, this could be more than that?
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Yeah, well, what I would say is there's several more tools that I would use, and fiber's not the only one.
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So adding fiber makes really good sense.
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Fiber can help to firm up the stool, but also feeds the microbiome some of the really good bacteria in the microbiome, it'll feed that.
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So fiber has a lot of purposes, but there's other tools we can use to naturally support dogs to have better quality stools and to just support the GI tract to function better.
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And so one of those tools that might be thought of sort of on the line of fiber is a clay product.
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And many humans that are really interested in natural health may have heard of things like bentonite clay.
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There's also Montemorolite clay.
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And because I saw like a mud product.
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Is it is that what they say?
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Well, it is natural clay from layers of the earth.
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And these special types of clay are actually very good adsorbance, at adsorbing not only heavy metals and toxins and contaminants and stuff, but they can adsorb bacterial toxins as well.
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And so, for instance, if a human gets like traveler's diarrhea, like you ate something that was bad, or you ate a bacterially contaminated food, clay can help bind the toxins that these bad bacteria are releasing in the gut that's causing the diarrhea as the body's responding to that.
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So, one thing I was told is that like the best thing to use is zeolite, I think it's called.
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Yeah, so that's a that's a whole nother type of a binding product.
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So zeolites can come as clays as well.
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Um, and those are, you know, fantastic detoxifiers for the body.
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A lot of people use them for detoxification, and that has a little more broad spectrum application than just the clays that I'm talking about.
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And they can they can be used, you know, kind of alternatively, you know, one or the other.
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But bentonite clay, montemoralite clay, there are products that are specifically made for pets for GI support and diarrhea.
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They are more just in the bowel rather than the whole body binding as binders, like zeolite can bind a lot of stuff out of the body.
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These clays are phenomenal binders in the GI tract.
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So they can literally help to not only detox the bowel, meaning getting rid of stuff that's irritating the GI tract, causing the diarrhea in the first place, but they can also mechanically firm up the stool because they're phenomenal at absorbing water weight.
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And so I see clays as very proactive.
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Like there's literally no downside to doing these clays if they're quality clays.
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Well, um, I was gonna say, because I sold bentonite for years, but as cat litter.
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There you go.
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So but I would not get like I'm And the interesting thing is there's zeolite litters out there too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And but I don't think they're the right grade.
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So it's important not to not to take it to take a scoop of your kitty litter and check it in the city.
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There you go.
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Big big good cue point there is because what the concern is amongst really, you know, expert health advisors now is that a lot of clays can be contaminated with heavy metals.
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And you really want a pure clay because you want it to remove toxins from your body.
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You don't want it to introduce toxins to your body.
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So it has to be a clean clay source, so it does need to be a good quality product.
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Because there is, like I say, there is a number of sources of bentonite cat liter uh bent night cat litter.
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I said bentonite cat litter for so long that I can't say bentonite without saying cat litter afterwards, but but of bentonite.
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Right, clay.
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And like I say, there is a massive variation on quality.
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So it is important that when you are sourcing something like bentonite, that you source it from somebody who's doing it as a feed grade product, not as a as a feed grade, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But another tool that I like to recommend is a unique probiotic called Sacromyces bollardi or S.
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Bollardi for short.
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And that is showing up in a ton of pet products and human as well.
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Um, and that's really hit the scene as a unique probiotic that doesn't compete with good guy bacteria in the gut, but does compete with bad guy bacteria, especially clostridium.
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And that can be a common overgrowth problem in a dog or cat.
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But the other great thing about Espilardi is even if there isn't a clostridium overgrowth, Espilardi is really helpful at firming up the stool and supporting better quality stool and just supporting balance in the microbiome.
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And it has grown over the last year or two to be one of my go-tos for diarrhea.
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It generally works very nicely.
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What about gut lining products?
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So things like slippery elm.
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That was my next category I was gonna go into.
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I could feel it in more waters, to be honest with you.
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It was like, yeah, I could feel it was coming.
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Yep, yep.
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So we talked about the fiber and the clay and the aspirardi.
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And the last thing I wanted to make sure we talked about is herbals and uh slippery elm and marshmallow root are some of the top two phenomenal um, you know, herbal tools to use for the GI tract health in general and for if there's diarrhea or soft stools or stool problems.
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And these slippery elm and and marshmallow um herbs, and sometimes they're combined with other herbs as well, um, and they can be used singly or you know, together.
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But um both slippery elm and marshmallow are reparative and soothing to the gut lining.
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So if the gut lining is inflamed, um, you know, and uh whether it's chronic inflammation or acute inflammation, it's helping to bring down that inflammation to soothe and repair the tissue in the in the gut, but also it's helping to support better stool quality.
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What about like natural anti-inflammatory herbs like things like ginger, cinnamon, and fennel?
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Cinnamon I don't normally use for GI, although cinnamon has a whole bunch of good health properties, but definitely fennel is well recognized for uh GI support and ginger as well.
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We often think of ginger more for stomach, more upper GI than diarrhea, but believe me, I'm a fan of ginger, so um, you know, there's not a downside of putting that in, but it ginger's definite strength is with nausea and upper GI support.
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Um, it's also anti-inflammatory, though, in you know, just uh in its properties.
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Um, but fennel is also really a superstar in GI supportive herbs.
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So that shows up in a lot of pet health products and GI support products, whether it's in any of these things, can be in powdered form or liquid extracts.
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Yeah.
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So no, because the reason I know about those is not because I know anything about this stuff, but Carnegie's a product called pumpkin and spice, which has pumpkin powder mixed with those herbs.
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So again, that's awesome.
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Yeah, and that's one of the products that you or one of the lines you distribute.
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Yeah.
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And one of the lines that I love.
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Yeah, so no, but again, it's sort of like again, it's kind of like a pumpkin plus.
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So again, if you have got sort of like more chronic exactly.
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More chronic summer cups.
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Right.
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Um, that as a as an opening barrier that you're in you're you're reducing inflammation as well as like feeding the good bacteria in the gut.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So I love those herbs for GI health and GI support, even for you know, chronic health disorders like IBD, inflammatory bowel disease, slippery almond marshmallow are phenomenal supportive tools for that too.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, and I know you know a lot about products on the market.
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And so certainly you're seeing a lot of these types of ingredients showing up in a lot of the products in the pet health space.
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I absolutely, and actually, that's why I'll be honest, like three or four years ago, I wouldn't have known anything about things like clays, for example.
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But now I'm seeing things like mormud and bentonite and zealite and stuff like that, which again I always just thought of bentonite as a cat litter, to be honest.
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And and like right, and and things like um diet or or diatomaceous earth, that was just cat litter to me as well.
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So it's it's interesting how we're seeing all these different products arriving onto the market, uh, which are sort of like more natural, more natural sort of steps you can take.
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Yeah.
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Um, so okay, so but then obviously we start off, we use yeah, we can use those products, but then again, if it if it's something like a parasite, that probably wouldn't help in that situation, right?
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Yeah, so great question.
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They can all help because with a parasitic infection, remember there's gonna be inflammation in that gut lining, you know, parasites latching on, you know, causing damage actually to the gut lining.
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So they're not going to resolve the parasite, you know, condition to remove the parasite, but they will help the gut to, you know, heal and adapt afterwards so they can still be used without harm.
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So everything we talked about is super proactive.
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That's why I love them.
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But even if you're if a if pet parents tapping into those, it's not a reason to, you know, not explore causes if the condition isn't resolving, you know, easily and quickly.
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And so when it comes to investigating, what what do you find like um because again, you're yeah, you say you you get loads of photos of poop on a regular basis, which and some of my clients even keep full-on poop diaries and you know, get pictures and descriptions of poop for days or weeks or even months on end.
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So I'm so glad I'm not a veterinarian, to be honest.
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That sounds like the most disgusting thing, to be honest.
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How often do you reckon people are you know like their sort of worries are justified?
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Like or should it or should you always just contact your veterinarian if you are worried?
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E even if sometimes it's like yeah, a little premature.
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Everybody's comfort level is different, and so you know, if they have any question, I mean I'd always rather err on the side of caution and not just let things go and blow them off.
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So if a pet parent really is worried, I would have them contact their vet, and they may want to just at least do some of the really easy testing, get a fecal test done, you know, get get a physical exam done and go from there.
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But I really like people to know that there are a lot of good quality tools that can help support the gut health to get better rather than just tossing antibiotics at these, you know, cases of diarrhea.
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Unfortunately, you know, more and more veterinarians are moving into, you know, that mindset.
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Um, but you know, it's really good for people to hear this so they can have the awareness around it as well.
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And everything we're talking about today in the realm of natural tools are also useful for humans.
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Humans take clay products, they take saccharomyces.
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We take sacromyces bollardi, slippery elm and marshmallow, and then my homeopathic line, because I do have the tummy remedy, which there are multiple uh homeopathic remedies that are blended into that product that support a lot, support imbalance throughout the GI tract, whether that's upper GI issues with indigestion, nausea, vomiting, but middle GI, I love it for inflammatory bowel disease, IBD kind of things that we think of with the small intestine.
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But then diarrhea, colitis, you know, what we're talking about today, um, it's phenomenal for that too.
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I think it's important to add that like a lot of the things we're talking about when we're talking about clay or zealite and that sort of stuff, these are all things that actually help humans as well.
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And the tummy product, although you aim it at pets, right?
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It's also works wonderfully for humans.
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And my friend Laura took it and it worked wonderfully for her when she was at um Global Pet Expo this year.
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And it's nice to use natural tools that are literally proactive.
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And I think like just being able just to self-solve a lot of problems initially before you immediately go to nuclear, like exactly and like run off to the vet and spend the fortune.
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I think actually most of the tools we've talked about today are phenomenal things for any pet household to just keep on hand.
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Because especially when you have multiple dogs or multiple pets, at some point somebody's gonna have some loose toilets.
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And it's nice to have these proactive tools on hand where you can get going, see how the pet responds.
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If everything seems great pretty quickly, maybe you don't need a vet visit.
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You can still use them, but if things aren't resolving, go in and see the vet and get some things checked out.
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Yeah, so let's talk about diarrhoea because it's one of the most delightful things we can talk about.
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I mean, if when everyone's talking to me, I'm always like, let's talk about diarrhea, so let's let's do it.
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You sound like a veterinarian.
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Yeah, of course.
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We're all about talking about things like this.
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The wetter the better.
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Together, an industry disruptor.
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And renowned veterinarian discuss and debate, establish norms and new ideas in the pet world.
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This is challenging pet health.
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Good morning, Katie.
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Good morning, Clayton.
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How are you today?
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I'm excellent.
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How are you?
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Phenomenal.
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Every day is another exciting adventure.
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Yeah.
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Love that attitude.
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And what exciting adventures have we got planned for today?
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It's gotta be something fun, right?
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All right.
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Well, I'll just tell you how I started my day before we met here.
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I was following up with clients and um responding to questions and emails and looking at a bunch of pictures of poop, which I have clients send me poop pictures all the time.
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And oftentimes they'll apologize.
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Sorry to send this, but I really want you to see this.
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And I'm like, hey, I'm all about poop.
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I love seeing a picture that describes, you know, how my patients are doing because the quality of stool really is a good representation of a lot of things in health.
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Lots of pets have obviously issues with stools and diarrhea.
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And it's one of the most common concerns that pet parents have, and one of the biggest reasons that pets go to veterinarians.
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Yeah.
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Reminds me of uh, you know, uh my early internet usage, seeing loads of pictures of poop on the internet.
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So yeah, no, I think I think that's something we can definitely talk about.
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Do you take pictures of your pets poop and share them?
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No, it's only ever been my own to send via Snapchat to my friends, to be honest.
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All right, all right.
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Maybe we can redirect this conversation that's beginning to um, yeah, to really how this applies to pet parents getting some more information to figure out when their pets might need some medical attention and quite frankly, what we can do better to just support good digestion and good stool quality.
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What is a healthy, what does a healthy turd look like?
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We say, you know, in good form where it's easy to pick up and it doesn't leave a bunch of residue on the grass or the surface that you're picking it up from.
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If it just kind of oozes everywhere, then it could be of better quality.
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Um the other thing that a lot of pet stools will show as, you know, being off or or at least somewhat abnormal is a layer of mucus or a a lot of mucus all over it, a big layer of slime and and um heavy mucus.
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Um sometimes there's blood, you know, in a colitis situation, colitis, you know, the colon, um, when it gets inflamed, then it bleeds easily.
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And so there might be a little bit of um, or you know, sometimes varying amounts of blood on the stool.
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And that really concerns a lot of people.
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If you see any blood, um a lot of people, you know, may rush, you know, into the vet.
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So I think it's one of those things, like when we like talk about dog, dog, dog poop, is um like people kind of get a little bit obsessed with it.
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They can.
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Absolutely.
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It's a good thing to do.
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Oh, it's like lovely and firm.
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I mean, the amount of conversation, oh my dog he has lovely, firm turds, it's amazing.
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I just you know, it's like I go out and it's like a brick out there on the floor, you know.
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I would agree that some pet parents might get a little fixating, you know, on the stool having to be perfect 100% of the time.
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And if it's not, they get concerned or worried.
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Um, and so some variability is to be expected, of course.
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But there's also a lot to be said of when a pet's really inconsistent, because that, you know, the other end of the spectrum.
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Um, or if they're chronically soft, you know, and the stool's never really, you know, formed and easy to pick up.
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Um, and then, you know, full-on diarrhea.
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Yeah.
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So let's talk about diet the diarrhea because it's one of the most delightful things we can talk about.
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I mean, if when everyone's talking to me, I'm always like, let's talk about diarrhea.
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So let's let's do it.
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You sound like a veterinarian.
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Yeah, of course.
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We're all about talking about things like this.
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Yeah, no, the wetter the better.
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That's the spoof.
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And diarrhea is such a common problem.
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You know, again, it's it's one of the big reasons why people contact their veterinarian.
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So it's a great thing to talk about.
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So, what are some of the causes of diarrhea?
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The first thing we like to say in veterinary speak is dietary indiscretion, which basically means they got into something, they ate something that's not typical for them, you know, it set their gut off because they're not used to it or they're sensitive.
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And then there's also um microbiome disturbances, you know, sometimes it's a dysbiosis where there's an overgrowth of bacteria or harmful bacteria that's lending to a diarrhea or, you know, GI issue.
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And then a lot of times it's just a digestive disorder of some type, like a real illness, which could be a pancreatitis, which can happen acutely.
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Dog can be fine, and then, you know, or even cats get pancreatitis, um, and their situation is generally a little more chronic, but in dogs it usually presents acutely with diarrhea andor vomiting.
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And there's IBD, inflammatory bowel disease, is a very common condition.
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So lots of different, you know, illnesses that can present with diarrhea.
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And then another cause, which is quite common too, and something very simple to test for and rule out is parasites.
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So, and a lot of times we get into thinking about, as a veterinarian, all these causes of what diarrhea could be.
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And sometimes we have to step back and go, oh, did we check for parasites?
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Because that's an easy thing to do right off the bat to make sure we're not missing something in that category.
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So I would say the qualifiers there are that if it's, you know, there's an episode of diarrhea or soft stools, but the pet's still happy, good energy, running around, being, you know, its normal self, normal attitude, then monitoring them for, you know, a couple of, you know, one to two days, 24 to 48 hours is fine.
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Um, and in a lot of situations, it's gonna self-correct.
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Now, on the other hand, if they're also vomiting or they're acting ill and they're lethargic and acting like they don't feel well, low energy, then that would be more of a priority to actually, you know, have them evaluated by a veterinarian.
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I mean, if I if I had to go to the doctor every time I had a a case of you know, soft stool.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You'd be at the doctor a lot.
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Brown soup or whatever you want to call it.
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Like Yeah.
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Like I I'd be there.
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Really, it's if it extends beyond, you know, uh one day, you know, a normal uh, you know, episode of an acute issue.
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Um, so certainly if it extends and it's chronic, or if the person or the pet is feeling really sick, you know, dehydration can occur too.
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So sometimes for a pet or a person, if you do have that level of illness with vomiting and diarrhea, you might need some hydration to support you to, you know, bounce back.
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So when would you start to put it into the category of, okay, we need to maybe look at what the causes are behind that?
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If it's happening not every day, but it's still frequent, like intermittent, like there's several soft stools a week, or you know, there's varying degrees, but it's never really firm.
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I mean, those are definitely situations where you want to have some diagnostic diagnostic testing done and to be evaluated by a by a veterinarian.
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So when a pet comes in, um, obviously we, you know, ask all the questions, how long's this been going on?
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You know, what's the character?
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We look at poo pictures if the pet parent has taken them for us, because that tells me a lot of information about where to go next with my recommendations.
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And then I like to do parasite screening tests on those stools.
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And um, depending on, you know, how the pet is doing, blood work and other things to check pancreas levels, etc.
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Going to veterinarian is expensive.
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And like, would you say it's worth trying something like a pumpkin powder first?
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Like, which is which is absolutely.
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And so from the holistic integrative angle, what I would say is diagnostic testing can always be useful.
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You don't necessarily have to jump into that right away, and then unless it looks like there's a real reason where we need to start looking for cause.
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But I'm always for supporting the body to get back on track with natural tools.
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And in, you know, standard veterinary medicine and conventional veterinary medicine, it would have been extremely common and still is to some extent to support a pet, you know, to treat a pet with antibiotics.
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And metronidazole happens to be, you know, kind of the go-to for diarrhea.
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A lot of people may recognize the name flagell, because that was the long-term um trade name of it, and now it's pretty much always generic.
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But antibiotics are are commonly used.
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However, I'm very happy to say that there is a huge trend and shift away from that.
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There are many articles coming out in veterinary journals and continue continuing education classes that we are creating a lot of resistance with the overuse of antibiotics, just like in the human field.
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I was gonna say, because if you're saying that there's like a gut biome problem using antibiotics, surely we'll just like murder the good bacteria in there.
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Yeah, it's a heavy-handed way of saying, yes, we're killing off really good bacteria.
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And so we're now recognizing with all the studies and all the data out there that, and I've known this as an integrative veterinarian for years, that the vast majority of diarrhea problems are going to resolve without the use of antibiotics.
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And maybe in some extreme cases, you know, you could you can justify the use of antibiotics, but by and large, most of the time, antibiotics are not necessary to resolve these issues.
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And oftentimes, as you said, can make problems worse ultimately because we're really hitting the microbiome and causing, you know, more issues by killing off the good bacteria in the gut every time we use antibiotics.
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So a lot of conventional vets, and this really excites me, are veering away from just blanketly prescribing antibiotics for diarrhea now, and they're sending pets home with probiotics and often rema recommending fiber as well.
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Something like psyllium or as you just brought up, pumpkin powder.
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So yeah, that's a really good thing.
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And you know, mainstream veterinarians are recognizing that now too.
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But that's a great tool in the natural care toolbox.
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At what stage do you then like move to the next level?
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Because I okay, you're you've started off your dog's, you know, loose and then you've given it a prebiotic, fiber, that sort of stuff.
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Uh, what what stage then do you then like okay, this is maybe more, this could be more than that?
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Yeah, well, what I would say is there's several more tools that I would use, and fiber's not the only one.
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So adding fiber makes really good sense.
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Fiber can help to firm up the stool, but also feeds the microbiome some of the really good bacteria in the microbiome, it'll feed that.
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So fiber has a lot of purposes, but there's other tools we can use to naturally support dogs to have better quality stools and to just support the GI tract to function better.
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And so one of those tools that might be thought of sort of on the line of fiber is a clay product.
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And many humans that are really interested in natural health may have heard of things like bentonite clay.
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There's also Montemorolite clay.
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And because I saw like a mud product.
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Is it is that what they say?
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Well, it is natural clay from layers of the earth.
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And these special types of clay are actually very good adsorbance, at adsorbing not only heavy metals and toxins and contaminants and stuff, but they can adsorb bacterial toxins as well.
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And so, for instance, if a human gets like traveler's diarrhea, like you ate something that was bad, or you ate a bacterially contaminated food, clay can help bind the toxins that these bad bacteria are releasing in the gut that's causing the diarrhea as the body's responding to that.
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So, one thing I was told is that like the best thing to use is zeolite, I think it's called.
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Yeah, so that's a that's a whole nother type of a binding product.
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So zeolites can come as clays as well.
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Um, and those are, you know, fantastic detoxifiers for the body.
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A lot of people use them for detoxification, and that has a little more broad spectrum application than just the clays that I'm talking about.
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And they can they can be used, you know, kind of alternatively, you know, one or the other.
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But bentonite clay, montemoralite clay, there are products that are specifically made for pets for GI support and diarrhea.
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They are more just in the bowel rather than the whole body binding as binders, like zeolite can bind a lot of stuff out of the body.
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These clays are phenomenal binders in the GI tract.
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So they can literally help to not only detox the bowel, meaning getting rid of stuff that's irritating the GI tract, causing the diarrhea in the first place, but they can also mechanically firm up the stool because they're phenomenal at absorbing water weight.
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And so I see clays as very proactive.
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Like there's literally no downside to doing these clays if they're quality clays.
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Well, um, I was gonna say, because I sold bentonite for years, but as cat litter.
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There you go.
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So but I would not get like I'm And the interesting thing is there's zeolite litters out there too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And but I don't think they're the right grade.
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So it's important not to not to take it to take a scoop of your kitty litter and check it in the city.
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There you go.
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Big big good cue point there is because what the concern is amongst really, you know, expert health advisors now is that a lot of clays can be contaminated with heavy metals.
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And you really want a pure clay because you want it to remove toxins from your body.
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You don't want it to introduce toxins to your body.
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So it has to be a clean clay source, so it does need to be a good quality product.
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Because there is, like I say, there is a number of sources of bentonite cat liter uh bent night cat litter.
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I said bentonite cat litter for so long that I can't say bentonite without saying cat litter afterwards, but but of bentonite.
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Right, clay.
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And like I say, there is a massive variation on quality.
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So it is important that when you are sourcing something like bentonite, that you source it from somebody who's doing it as a feed grade product, not as a as a feed grade, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But another tool that I like to recommend is a unique probiotic called Sacromyces bollardi or S.
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Bollardi for short.
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And that is showing up in a ton of pet products and human as well.
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Um, and that's really hit the scene as a unique probiotic that doesn't compete with good guy bacteria in the gut, but does compete with bad guy bacteria, especially clostridium.
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And that can be a common overgrowth problem in a dog or cat.
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But the other great thing about Espilardi is even if there isn't a clostridium overgrowth, Espilardi is really helpful at firming up the stool and supporting better quality stool and just supporting balance in the microbiome.
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And it has grown over the last year or two to be one of my go-tos for diarrhea.
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It generally works very nicely.
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What about gut lining products?
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So things like slippery elm.
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That was my next category I was gonna go into.
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I could feel it in more waters, to be honest with you.
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It was like, yeah, I could feel it was coming.
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Yep, yep.
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So we talked about the fiber and the clay and the aspirardi.
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And the last thing I wanted to make sure we talked about is herbals and uh slippery elm and marshmallow root are some of the top two phenomenal um, you know, herbal tools to use for the GI tract health in general and for if there's diarrhea or soft stools or stool problems.
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And these slippery elm and and marshmallow um herbs, and sometimes they're combined with other herbs as well, um, and they can be used singly or you know, together.
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But um both slippery elm and marshmallow are reparative and soothing to the gut lining.
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So if the gut lining is inflamed, um, you know, and uh whether it's chronic inflammation or acute inflammation, it's helping to bring down that inflammation to soothe and repair the tissue in the in the gut, but also it's helping to support better stool quality.
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What about like natural anti-inflammatory herbs like things like ginger, cinnamon, and fennel?
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Cinnamon I don't normally use for GI, although cinnamon has a whole bunch of good health properties, but definitely fennel is well recognized for uh GI support and ginger as well.
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We often think of ginger more for stomach, more upper GI than diarrhea, but believe me, I'm a fan of ginger, so um, you know, there's not a downside of putting that in, but it ginger's definite strength is with nausea and upper GI support.
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Um, it's also anti-inflammatory, though, in you know, just uh in its properties.
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Um, but fennel is also really a superstar in GI supportive herbs.
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So that shows up in a lot of pet health products and GI support products, whether it's in any of these things, can be in powdered form or liquid extracts.
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Yeah.
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So no, because the reason I know about those is not because I know anything about this stuff, but Carnegie's a product called pumpkin and spice, which has pumpkin powder mixed with those herbs.
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So again, that's awesome.
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Yeah, and that's one of the products that you or one of the lines you distribute.
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Yeah.
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And one of the lines that I love.
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Yeah, so no, but again, it's sort of like again, it's kind of like a pumpkin plus.
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So again, if you have got sort of like more chronic exactly.
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More chronic summer cups.
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Right.
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Um, that as a as an opening barrier that you're in you're you're reducing inflammation as well as like feeding the good bacteria in the gut.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So I love those herbs for GI health and GI support, even for you know, chronic health disorders like IBD, inflammatory bowel disease, slippery almond marshmallow are phenomenal supportive tools for that too.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, and I know you know a lot about products on the market.
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And so certainly you're seeing a lot of these types of ingredients showing up in a lot of the products in the pet health space.
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I absolutely, and actually, that's why I'll be honest, like three or four years ago, I wouldn't have known anything about things like clays, for example.
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But now I'm seeing things like mormud and bentonite and zealite and stuff like that, which again I always just thought of bentonite as a cat litter, to be honest.
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And and like right, and and things like um diet or or diatomaceous earth, that was just cat litter to me as well.
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So it's it's interesting how we're seeing all these different products arriving onto the market, uh, which are sort of like more natural, more natural sort of steps you can take.
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Yeah.
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Um, so okay, so but then obviously we start off, we use yeah, we can use those products, but then again, if it if it's something like a parasite, that probably wouldn't help in that situation, right?
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Yeah, so great question.
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They can all help because with a parasitic infection, remember there's gonna be inflammation in that gut lining, you know, parasites latching on, you know, causing damage actually to the gut lining.
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So they're not going to resolve the parasite, you know, condition to remove the parasite, but they will help the gut to, you know, heal and adapt afterwards so they can still be used without harm.
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So everything we talked about is super proactive.
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That's why I love them.
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But even if you're if a if pet parents tapping into those, it's not a reason to, you know, not explore causes if the condition isn't resolving, you know, easily and quickly.
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And so when it comes to investigating, what what do you find like um because again, you're yeah, you say you you get loads of photos of poop on a regular basis, which and some of my clients even keep full-on poop diaries and you know, get pictures and descriptions of poop for days or weeks or even months on end.
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So I'm so glad I'm not a veterinarian, to be honest.
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That sounds like the most disgusting thing, to be honest.
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How often do you reckon people are you know like their sort of worries are justified?
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Like or should it or should you always just contact your veterinarian if you are worried?
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E even if sometimes it's like yeah, a little premature.
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Everybody's comfort level is different, and so you know, if they have any question, I mean I'd always rather err on the side of caution and not just let things go and blow them off.
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So if a pet parent really is worried, I would have them contact their vet, and they may want to just at least do some of the really easy testing, get a fecal test done, you know, get get a physical exam done and go from there.
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But I really like people to know that there are a lot of good quality tools that can help support the gut health to get better rather than just tossing antibiotics at these, you know, cases of diarrhea.
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Unfortunately, you know, more and more veterinarians are moving into, you know, that mindset.
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Um, but you know, it's really good for people to hear this so they can have the awareness around it as well.
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And everything we're talking about today in the realm of natural tools are also useful for humans.
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Humans take clay products, they take saccharomyces.
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We take sacromyces bollardi, slippery elm and marshmallow, and then my homeopathic line, because I do have the tummy remedy, which there are multiple uh homeopathic remedies that are blended into that product that support a lot, support imbalance throughout the GI tract, whether that's upper GI issues with indigestion, nausea, vomiting, but middle GI, I love it for inflammatory bowel disease, IBD kind of things that we think of with the small intestine.
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But then diarrhea, colitis, you know, what we're talking about today, um, it's phenomenal for that too.
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I think it's important to add that like a lot of the things we're talking about when we're talking about clay or zealite and that sort of stuff, these are all things that actually help humans as well.
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And the tummy product, although you aim it at pets, right?
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It's also works wonderfully for humans.
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And my friend Laura took it and it worked wonderfully for her when she was at um Global Pet Expo this year.
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And it's nice to use natural tools that are literally proactive.
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And I think like just being able just to self-solve a lot of problems initially before you immediately go to nuclear, like exactly and like run off to the vet and spend the fortune.
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I think actually most of the tools we've talked about today are phenomenal things for any pet household to just keep on hand.
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Because especially when you have multiple dogs or multiple pets, at some point somebody's gonna have some loose toilets.
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And it's nice to have these proactive tools on hand where you can get going, see how the pet responds.
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If everything seems great pretty quickly, maybe you don't need a vet visit.
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You can still use them, but if things aren't resolving, go in and see the vet and get some things checked out.
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