Luciferian Invocation at Iowa City Council Meeting Sparks Debate Over Prayer and Religious Freedom

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You're watching Worldview 2, a Brannon House television network.
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The Tamara Scott Show. Tamara has served as the state
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director for one of America's largest pro-life, pro-family public policy organizations.
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In 2007, Tamara was named one of America's top ten
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most influential kingmakers by the Religion News Association. Tamara has
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spent years proclaiming and defending the values of a Christian
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worldview that is the foundation of our constitutional republic. And now,
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here is your host, Tamara Scott.
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Welcome, everybody. It's the Tamara Scott Show, where we help
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you live God's Word in today's world. I'm going to
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head right into a video. This is the video. We
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talked about it a week ago, right after it happened.
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the Otumwa City Council meeting that someone opened with a
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prayer to Satan. And here's your warning, we're praying in
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the name of Jesus. But there's good news after this.
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I just want you to know this. Hang on, here
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we go.
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It's 5.30, calling this meeting to order. We will start
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with the invocation and the pledge. So those that would
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like to participate in the invocation, please stand. Thank you, Mayor, Council.
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Let us pray.
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Dear Dark Father, let us stand now unbowed and unfettered
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by arcane doctrines born of fearful minds in darkened times.
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Let us embrace the Luciferian impulse to eat of the
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tree of knowledge and dissipate our blissful and comforting delusions
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of old. Let us demand that individuals be judged for
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their concrete actions, not their fealty to arbitrary social norms
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and illusory categorizations. Let us reason our solutions with agnosticism
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in all things, holding fast only to that which is
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demonstrably true. Let us stand firm against any and all
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arbitrary authority that threatens the personal sovereignty of one or all.
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That which will not bend must break, and that which
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can be destroyed by truth should never be spared its demise.
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It is done. Hail Satan.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
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of America and to the republic for which it stands,
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one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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I was trying to see in that video if we've
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heard anything else, but we didn't. Joining me now is
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Pastor Brad Sherman and Pastor Rick Bick. Rick Bick is
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from the Ottumwa area. Gentlemen, welcome both of you to
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the Tamara Scott Show.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, thank you, Tamara.
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Yeah, so... Brad, you've been on the show before. People
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know a little bit about you. You've written about the
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Constitution for years. You've been active as a pastor, and
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you ran for governor, which we were thrilled that you
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were able to speak across the state. You were loved,
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absolutely loved everywhere you went, and your truth spoke out.
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Anything you want to add to that?
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Well, I heard about this, and I made a little
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video just to put out on my Facebook page, and
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then Rick here is a friend of mine, and Rick had...
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texted me and said, I was there. And so I
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called Rick and got the skinny on it. So I
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think Rick can really fill us in on what really
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happened there at that event.
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So, Rick, Vic, I think this is your first time
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on the show. And thank you for coming and welcoming
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me to the Tamara Scott Show. You were in that
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hall because I'm reading about you on Facebook posts. You
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were there. Tell us a little bit about yourself, if
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you wish, and about the event.
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I pastor New Life Center here in Ottumwa. I've been
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here 17 years. God moved us here, showed us the
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spiritual condition of the city way back when. We've been praying, praying, praying.
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I've been involved in politics here. I'm the police chaplain.
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So I've seen things from that angle in the city
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and corruption. And so we're seeing God move in our
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city because the mayor is a Christian and we pray
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together every morning for our city.
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And so I'm glad you said the mayor is a
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Christian because when I posted this on Facebook, I'm like,
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this is a failure of government to think they have
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to allow this. But it wasn't a failure of government.
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I think in this case, government came back, at least
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the mayor came back and appropriately handled the situation. And
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I think it's largely because of you. Here's what Bill,
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Brian Bill says. Do you know Brian Bill?
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No.
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On Facebook.
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On Facebook. I was stunned as I watched the video
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and listened to these dark words. But then he says,
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how is it? I've got to find Rick Bick. He
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brings Rick Bick in here. When the prayer was over,
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New Life Center Pastor Rick Bick stood up and said
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he wanted to speak. After being told he would need
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to wait until the end, he respectfully said, let's just
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reverse this curse that was put on our city, and
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that's not welcome here. And when he was again told
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public comments needed to wait, Until the end, he gently,
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firmly responded, it needs to be done now. That was
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a curse put on our city. And when he said, hell, Satan, oh,
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dark God, most of us know that we need to
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stop it and reverse it. Wow.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Okay, go ahead.
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So tell us, I mean, take us to that moment
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when that happened. Did you know, did you have any
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clue this was going to happen?
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I knew something goofy was going to happen. I just
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didn't know it was going to be that goofy. And
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so I didn't stand for the invocation because I knew
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I wasn't going to agree with it. And I'm surprised
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that so many people did. So what you don't see,
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I'm going to explain what you don't see in the video,
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is when he gets done with that prayer, you can
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see the top of my head in the video, but
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he turns around to leave. And as he left, I
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confronted him and I said, Did you just say hail Satan?
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And he totally changed. He just goes, yes. And if
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you can say in the name of Jesus, I could
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say hail Satan. I said, no, you can't. You can't
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do that here. You got to go. And he ran
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out of the building. So you haven't played this part
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of the video yet. But so what you played, the
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next part, they see me at the podium. Well, between
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that time and me going to the podium, he had
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already gotten to his truck and left the area. He
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wasn't anywhere around.
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So I don't have the next part of that video.
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I will have to get my hands on that. So
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when you went to the podium, did you pray then?
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Or because I know the mayor said, let's have 30
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seconds of silence and you can pray.
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Well, so I went to the podium, which I thought
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was totally violating all the rules of conduct and everything.
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And personally, I didn't care. So because he just cursed
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our city and I wasn't going to put up with it.
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I mean, everything in me was saying, no, you can't
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do this. So I went up there and... Everybody was,
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I mean, everybody was in shock. So, and then the mayor,
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like I said, him and I are friends. We pray
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together every morning. And he said, he acknowledged me, Rick. Okay. Well,
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since they hadn't approved the agenda yet or done anything else,
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him acknowledging me actually gave me authority to speak. So
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I said, hey, this guy, by saying this stuff, just
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cursed our city. That's not welcome here. And we need
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to reverse the curse now. The councilwoman got all upset. Well,
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there's two of them, but this particular one. And you
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can't do that. You got to move this to point
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G or what? I said, I don't care about your
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points or order. This is a curse put on our city.
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He said this, this and this. And that's a curse.
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And we need to reverse it now. And so the
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mayor just stopped everything.
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And he said.
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And then the councilwoman challenged him and he he boldly said, listen,
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I'm the mayor. I'm running the meeting.
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And just.
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I mean, put her in place kind of. And he said,
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we're going to take a 30-second time of prayer. And
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he caught himself. He said, 30-second time of reflection, and
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you can deal with it how you want. And that's
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how it got dealt with.
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Praise God. The mayor is a Christian.
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Yes, very Christian.
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You were there.
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Yes.
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You were obedient. I mean, how many of us have
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been in places where it's been awkward? We felt something,
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maybe even felt a nudge, but didn't think it was appropriate.
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You were obedient. And Rick or Brad, I just think
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we are in a heightened spiritual war right now. We
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had better start being ready soldiers to respond the moment
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we have a.
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Call. Go ahead, Rick. Finish up what you're saying.
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Well, the thing was, this was a huge, when this
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meeting got over and all that, it was, I mean,
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it was very trying, to say the least. So afterwards,
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there was other pastors of that in the room that,
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you know, I mean, they didn't, I mean, like I said,
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everybody was in shock. So I'm not going to say yay, nay,
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whatever to do. But so afterwards, I thought we were
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all going to meet and pray because the mayor and
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I always pray in the hallway before the meeting. And
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actually that morning in that hallway prayer, we felt like
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everything was going to be fine at the meeting. We
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had no sense that this was going to happen. And then,
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so after the meeting, everybody was gone. Ben and I
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were praying. I said, Ben, I, I, man, I did.
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Wow.
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I don't know what happened, but I don't feel good.
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I'm just kind of angry. He goes, yeah. And so
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went home about two o'clock in the morning. The Lord
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likes to wake me up and we have a little conversation.
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I woke up and I, I just like had this
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Holy Spirit boost, man. I felt like I was at
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40 ready to run 10 miles. And I'm just, I
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was just praising the Lord. And all of a sudden
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I just like, we won. We, I was just like,
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we won. and it was like i just felt i
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realized we had won a huge spiritual battle for our
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city and.
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Right there brad sherman you were kind enough to speak
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at our group uh the she prays she votes cwa
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last event last monday night he did an incredible job
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by the way that you kind of gave a little
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bit on the story that we did win. Why don't
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you go ahead and kind of explain what it is?
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Yeah.
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I mean, after I heard from Rick and heard the
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full story, it was obvious that, you know, Satan reared
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his ugly head and then it got smacked down. And
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the reality is, you know, scripture says in Matthew 16
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that Jesus, Jesus said, I will build my church. And
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that word, of course, is ecclesia, which has a whole
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nother meaning that we won't go into right now, at
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least at the moment. And he said, I will build
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my ecclesia and the gates of hell will not prevail.
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And so here's the thing that we need to understand
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as Christians is that Satan loses when we fight, when
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we stand up like Rick did, when we stand up
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and proclaim truth, we always win. And that's a message
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that our culture needs to get. We need to stand
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up and start fighting. We need to start taking the
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narrative back you know, that has been put out there. See,
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this is, as you mentioned earlier, Tamara, this is not
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just a one-up. You know, I was in the state
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legislature in 2023 when they put the satanic altar in
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the state capitol building, you know, and the satanic temple.
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Organization did that.
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You know, I called for its removal and, you know,
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there was a big hullabaloo about it. But even at
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that time, you know, that's when I really started realizing,
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as I thought about and prayed about it, That this
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is the narrative, you know, we've bought into this narrative
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that somehow we have to allow everybody to have their
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equal time. And when you look at our Constitution of
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the state of Iowa and the Constitution of America, we
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are founded on Christian principles. And Satan has never been
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understood to be anything but an enemy of God.
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Yet in Iowa, the Constitution says, It says.
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Very clearly in the preamble that we owe gratitude to
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the Supreme Being for the blessings we have hitherto enjoyed,
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and we feel a dependence upon Him for the continuance
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of those blessings.
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And so how can.
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We expect God's continued blessing if we give Satan equal
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status with God? And that's what people are demanding in
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our culture right now is equal status. Satanism is rising
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its head, demanding equal status with God. And I will
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not stand for that. I'm going to speak against it
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every chance I get. And I believe that gets underneath.
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That's the underpinnings of this whole thing. We've been slowly
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surrendering for decades to to this humanistic mentality that somehow
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we have to do that. And that's not what the
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First Amendment is all about. And anyone who studies it
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deeply knows that. So it's taking back the narrative. You know,
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it's not wrong to say we're a Christian nation. It's
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not wrong to say we depend upon God and we
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need to start saying it. And, you know, people can
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believe believe what they want to. If they want to
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believe in Satan, that's up to them, I guess, individually.
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But we have no obligation to allow satanic concepts in
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our public policy. And that's what we have to get
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back to in our nation and in our state and
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in our culture.
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Thank you, Brad. And you were the one, when this
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statute came out in 2023, you were the one who
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had the writing on it. You had written about the
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Constitution so often. You were able to approach the governor
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and encourage her. You were able to talk to other legislators.
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And we had several that came along with it. We
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had a great group of legislators who stood on this.
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I'm so thankful for that. But it still took us
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a couple of years, frankly, because we had a DAS director,
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also a believer, who didn't understand it. They just didn't
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understand the constitutionality, the issue of that way. Another legislator
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who was a pastor, God told me not. You have
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to let them do it. That is totally wrong. I'm
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going to play a video, right? This is a young man.
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I don't know who he is. Thomas, it's number three,
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and I would like to start at 120. Let's see.
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I think I start at one. Let's start at one
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minute in video number three. Oh, it's 26 seconds? Well,
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let's start it and see what I miss up. This
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also makes me think about the so-called crisis problem. No,
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that's not her. Shoot, I wonder if I gave you
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the wrong one. It's a young man. I'll have to
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go back and find it. It's a young man from
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White Rose Resistance. And here's what he said. The point is,
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he said, they need to learn about Satan. Satan is
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the enemy of God. He gets it. I wanted you
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guys to know there's a young, the younger kids are
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getting this. And that the enemy of Satan, he talks
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about the enemy of Satan. He talks about where Satan
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comes from. Where does Satan come from? The Bible, that's
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where they read about Satan. That's where people read about Satan,
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the Bible. And he said, the Bible is the same
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book that tells us about Jesus Christ. So you can't
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worship one and deny the other. So I thought that
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was pretty helpful, but I'll have to go back and
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see if I can find the link. So let me see. Okay,
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we're going to go to break. We'll come back. We'll
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continue this conversation. And here's what I want you as
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viewers to know. As both the gentlemen are saying, we win.
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We've been made more than conquerors through the blood of
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Jesus Christ. But you've got to show up to the
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battle and you've got to be covered in the blood.
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Don't try it without. Make sure you're covered in the blood,
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which is why we need to start each day that
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way and be ready for whatever comes our way. The
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right back, Rick Vick and Brad Sherman are my guests today.
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All right, everybody, we're right back. As I tell you,
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some of the best conversations happen during the break. All right,
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I'm talking with Rick Bick. I'm talking with Brad Sherman.
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Rick Bick, pastor down in Ottumwa, Iowa, was there at
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the meeting and thankfully obedient.
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Obedient.
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Because you can call yourself a Christian. You can be
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a Christian. If you're going to sit on the bench,
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you're not much of a threat. It's those who, as
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we used to tell our kids, they don't guard the
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person sitting on the bench. They guard the person taking
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the ball to the net. And so that's, I think
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what we're trying to help people understand is to be ready,
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armed and ready. Okay, to both of you. Pastors. I
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want pastors to start teaching in congregations. This might be
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new for some folks. They may not understand spiritual work here.
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But we win when we're armed and show up, whether
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it's like this, at the ballot box, in the boardroom,
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boys and girls' bathroom, whatever it is. We win when
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we show up armed in front of the blood of Jesus.
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All right, I'll let you guys take it where you
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want to take it.
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Well, I just want to say that we've been teaching here.
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I really felt led to teach about the Holy Spirit.
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John 14, you know, Jesus says, hey, you know, I'm
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leaving you guys. And, you know, I've been here with
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you and I've been able to physically touch you and
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all this. But basically, he says, I'm going to leave you,
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send the Holy Spirit who is going to be with
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you and in you. So we have something that's tangible
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and that and a power. And, you know, greater is
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he that's in us than he that's in the world.
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This city of Iowa, this public... Sorry, I just found
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that video.
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Sorry.
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Okay, so we really got to get to, I mean,
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know that we know that we know that greater is
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he that's in us than he that's in the world.
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The name of Jesus is above every name. You know,
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Romans talks about the same power that raised Jesus from
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the dead is in us. I mean, how much power
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is that? I asked the Lord one time, I said,
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you know, how do I explain how much power that
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is in a sermon that we got more power?
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And he said.
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Just take all the power from all the coal burning plants,
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electric plants, all the nuclear plants, all the nuclear powered ships,
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all the from around the world. But all of that,
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take all that power, put it in two wires and
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attach it to a body and you won't raise it
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from the dead. we've got a lot of power and
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we just we're we walk so limp-wristed it just drives me.
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Nuts so that was a pretty great little example there
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at the same time we talked to people who believe
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they're Christians right And we're a Christian because we believe
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that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, because he
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conquered death, because he died on the cross for our sins,
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forgave us. And so because of that power to be resurrected,
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we believe we're Christians. We say we believe that, but
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we don't believe, Rick, that we can step up and conquer.
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When you stepped up, I don't believe you were probably angry.
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I don't believe. Did you even raise your voice or
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did you just ask?
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No, I just said, well, that's not a lot here.
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We're not going to curse our city. I have a
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passion for our city. We've been praying for it to
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be blessed. There's new things happening where God's blessing behind
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the scenes. And as we've seen the things in the physical,
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I've reminded our prayer team, we're getting excited about the physical.
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Let's not forget the spiritual. We still have to pray
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for revival. Somebody said to me last night that a
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Christian brother, he said, you by doing that just started
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a revival. So Praise God. I just want to encourage people,
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anything to advance the kingdom.
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Well, your story is traveling, as you said. You're going
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to be on Family Research Council this week. You're getting
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the coverage. Brad talking about you, others talking about you.
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You're inspiring so many because of your obedience. It was
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that spark. Remember that song we used to sing in
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the 70s? It only takes a spark to get a
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fire going. It's one of those old worship songs we
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used to sing as youth. So it is happening. It
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is happening. Brad, how do we help other people carry
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this forward? How do we help people understand? You don't
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have to put up with this. We're a Christian nation.
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And when you wrote your paper, we don't have to
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let the enemy God in the public building.
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Yeah, that's that's the thing that we have to start realizing.
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I think we've delegated or we've basically forfeited this position
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of authority over to those, you know, When we take
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this neutrality position, which means that everybody's equal, that's one
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way to call it is neutrality.
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But that's a myth.
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And whenever we take that position, we back out and
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we leave a vacuum. But something will always rush in
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to fill a vacuum. And in this case, it's Satanism.
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And so we have to fill the space, the public space.
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Romans 13 says that the authorities are set up by
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God and the purpose is to praise what's good and
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it doesn't bear the sword in vain, it's to punish
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what's evil. And so we have to take that narrative
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and apply it to our culture. And so There's so
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much that we need to learn. I think it's not
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difficult for every person to equip themselves with a few
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basic facts. In fact, at your meeting just the other night,
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I passed out a little piece of paper, a flyer,
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a brochure that just talks about the myth of religious
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neutrality and gives some of the foundational principles. This has
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been my passion for years, and I know it's been
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Rick's as well, to just restore these foundational principles.
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And these are the foundations of our freedom.
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I mean, the Declaration of Independence mentions God five times
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in the Declaration of Independence. You know, it talks about
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the laws of nature. Nature's God talks about our creator
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a couple of times. And then it ends with appealing
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to the supreme being and and talks about divine providence.
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And so so the and then, of course, our Constitution
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is founded on. uh on i basically the first three
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articles at least the whole separation of powers issue is
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based on exodus chapter 18 when moses came out of
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uh helped set up the first republic when the children
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of israel came out of egypt and so uh that's
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that's where we get the separation of powers it's based
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on isaiah 33 22 which says the lord is our
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judge our lawgiver and our king And then, of course,
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in Article 4, it talks about how the United States
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will guarantee to the states a Republican form of government.
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And unfortunately, so many people don't understand the difference between
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a republic and a democracy. But our founders thought a
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democracy was a bad idea. And then it's signed at
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the end, in the year of our Lord, 1787.
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So that's a reference to Jesus Christ.
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And, you know, one of the things I always remember
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when I talk about this is kind of debating with
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an atheist down in the Capitol one day in the
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rotunda of the Capitol. And he was saying, well, there's
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nothing Christian in our Constitution. I said, well, it's signed
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in the year of our Lord. That's a reference to
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Jesus Christ. And he said, well, that's just how people
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talked back then. And I said, well, thank you very
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much for making my point. That is exactly how people
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talked back then. And they literally had other calendars that
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were in use at that time as well. So they
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didn't have to use that particular calendar, but they did.
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And it was on purpose. And so and I already
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talked about the Iowa Constitution, you know, how we depend
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upon God. Many other state constitutions have the same sort
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of thing. And so so, you know, and then you
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can just go into so many different quotes. I don't
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want to dominate the time here, but I just I
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am passionate about this. You know, I'll just give you
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one here. I'll try to pick one that we don't
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hear all the time. John Adams, he said the general
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principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general
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principles of Christianity. And then he said, I consider a
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decent respect for Christianity among the best recommendations for public service.
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And then Noah Webster said, no truth is more evident
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to my mind than that the Christian religion must be
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the basis of any government intending to secure the rights
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and privileges of a free people. So those are just
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a few things, and there's so much more, but it's
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in their own words. The founders themselves said that. So
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we can go into that more if we have time,
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but I just want to throw those things out there.
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These are the foundations that we have to restore and
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reclaim the narrative. And we have to get our judges
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thinking that way. We have to get our legislators thinking
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that way. And then our city councils and mayors. I mean,
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it's not just state and federal government. It's also the
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local government, which is way more important than most people realize,
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our local governments. And so that's why I appreciate Rick
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being so involved in this city.
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That's just an example to all of us.
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Absolutely. And, I mean, George Washington, it's impossible to rightly
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rule without God and the Bible. You're right. It's just
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there's so much there. Rick, I want you to, I'll
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turn it back over to you.
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Well, as he's saying that, and I so appreciate Brad
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and enjoy talking to him. I really appreciate his passion
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for all this. The thing I was thinking is when we,
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a few moments ago in our conversation is, I guess
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I just go to, you know, like Mark 16 and
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my name. You know, in my name, that name is
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the name above every name. Everything has a name. You know,
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nuclear power plant is a name, and Jesus is a
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name above that. Do we have a glimpse of what
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we're doing? And it says, you know, they shall cast
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out demons. Okay, in my name you cast out demons.
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You know, last Tuesday night, I'm not sure about, you know,
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casting demons around, but I do know that he ran
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out of the building.
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And then.
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He ran out before he heard your prayer.
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Yeah.
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So he's gone. We need to know, you know, and
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I just want to reemphasize, take a stand and God
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will back you up. It's just like, I mean, you know,
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I was talking to the police officer that was in
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the room last night. I was talking to him last night.
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He was there a week ago and he was shocked.
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He goes, yeah, I don't know what you said to him,
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but he ran out of the room. So We have authority.
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Like Brad said, or one of you said, when we
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stand up, the enemy runs.
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Absolutely. But we're not standing. And this is my heartbreak.
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Brad knows it. The church right now, here we are,
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this 250th birthday. We have an election coming up. We
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will decide. We have enjoyed 250 years of being elected.
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The greatest nation on the face of the earth. We
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may have some imperfections. We get that. We largely honor
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the God who is perfect. And he has blessed our nation.
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We're not... He doesn't bless us because we're great. We're
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great because he's blessed us. Let's just be clear. And yet,
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here at this election... It's the church. We can't get
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to participate, which I think is a stewardship issue. I
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think it is an obligation, a responsibility, a dereliction of
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duty if we don't, because we're supposed to stand against
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the darkness. And there's a presumption for an election. I
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get that there are 501c3s, whatever you want to talk about,
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but you are called to stand against the darkness. As
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I said earlier, whether it's the boardroom, the girls' bathroom,
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or the voting booth, you are called to prepare your
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sheep to stand against the darkness. And if we would,
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let me just, before we go to break, let me
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just give you this. New York City election, 42% turnout.
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Half the city didn't show up. Muslims, 93% showed up
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and elected a mayor that wants to dismantle this country.
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Muslims only have 1.2% of the adult population. Christians are 62%.
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If we would just show up. We can defeat those
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who want to defeat our Christian foundations and our nation.
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We've got to show up. We've got to go difficult.
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I'm a little rough on Christians on this topic because
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they'll say, well, you know, I don't want to or whatever.
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And I just go to them. I said, okay, let
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me ask you this. On Judgment Day, when you're standing
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before Jesus and he says, hey, whatever your name is, Sam, Sue, Paul, whatever,
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I let you be born in a country where you're
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given the privilege to vote for things in that. How
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are you going to answer it? Yeah, because you're going
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to be held responsible for being the gift to vote.
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So it's gotten people to the voting booth.
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It's a stewardship issue. We are Caesar. There's no dictator yet.
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We are Caesar, the consent of the governed. That's us.
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And if we don't give our consent, we allow those...
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who may hate us. I mean, look, we've got the DSA.
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Monday night, we had communists. We addressed communism, Islamism, Satanism, transgenderism.
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All these things are spiritual battles on the ballot. Brad,
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I think I maybe got 30 seconds before we go
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to break. Do you want to do that, or do
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you want to come right back and finish your point again?
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Well, I'll just say maybe it's something we can pick
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up after the break, but so much of this is
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based on some ideas that we've embraced that are not
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necessarily biblical. And so we need to, you know, be
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willing to be, we need to have open hearts to
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adjust how we think theologically. And, you know, some people
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have bought into the idea that we're going to lose
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no matter what. And that's something we could address.
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Or some people will say, we'll win. If God wants
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us to win, we'll win. Yeah. He allows us to
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suffer our own consequences, right? He costs effort, but he
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allows us to suffer our own consequences. We'll be right back, everybody.
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what the situation, it's God's special. He has directed you
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how to do it somewhat in his word, whatever it
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may be, which is why we talk about every topic
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be able to discuss them to be half of them.
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My guest today, Rick Bick, was in the, there was
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a courtroom or what it was, at City Hall, when
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the man gave the satanic prayer And Rick and Brad
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Sherman both joined me today. Rick, I can tell by
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your manner, you weren't challenging, you weren't antagonistic. You just
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asked him if he prayed, he said, hell, Satan, and whatever.
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I just think the presence of you, I think the
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Holy Spirit being with you, that I could not stand.
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You said he ran out.
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Yeah.
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As you're saying that, Tamara, I'm thinking of a recent
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interview on you know, family research with Tony Perkins and
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one of his aides called me afterwards after the meeting
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and said, this was Tony's comment about me. He goes,
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after watching the video, he goes, he didn't go there
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looking for a fight, but he wasn't going to run
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from one either. So, and I took that as a
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real compliment because as Christians, we don't have to go
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looking for a fight, but we can't, you know, we
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can stop and say a few things and the enemy's
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not going to take any ground.
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Well, it's about time we start fighting, Rick.
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Yes.
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God gave his son for us to have this power
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available to us when we call upon it. I can't
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imagine giving somebody a gift and watching them not use
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it when it costs so very much.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Anything else to our audience? Because I know you have
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to go because you are going to be with Tony Perkins.
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He did our prayer call at RNC last Tuesday night,
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and he's on the show Wednesday with me. So there
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you go.
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So anyway, if anything, I just want to hope that
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this all encourages pastors and emboldens them. Don't worry about
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some of the government stuff. God's got your back. And
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I just, I tell our people all the time, remember,
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you know, greater is he that's in you than he
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that's in the world. Just think about that. When you're
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standing there, like they're going to do what? And people,
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you know, they're afraid of, I'll add this in there
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for you tomorrow, about dying in that. Well, you know,
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going to heaven isn't such a bad deal. I've been there.
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I had a massive heart attack 11 years ago, died,
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went to heaven, and Jesus sent me back. And so
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it's okay. We can stand. We've got nothing to lose.
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And so anyway, I just want to say that greater
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is he. We've got the name above every name. We've been,
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you know, Acts 1.8, you'll receive power. You know, that
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power is to witness and to do things, not to
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just sit around. Oh, yeah, I got power to watch
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TV or whatever. No, it's power to witness and share
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the things that Jesus did. And we're called to do
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those things. So that's where I want to be. Don't
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be afraid.
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You didn't get to see Jesus. You heard his voice.
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He's standing right behind me. So we don't have a
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spirit of fear, but of power and love and a
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sound mind.
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And it was an authoritative voice, which I think to
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us is warning.
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It's morning.
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We better, we're going to be held accountable.
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Yes.
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We better have done what we called to do when
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we get there. Rick, Vic, praise God for you. Praise
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God for your just mild-mannered ability to stand up in
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the name of Jesus. Thank you.
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Thank you. Okay. I hope it blesses everyone. Thanks so
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much for your time. Thanks for having me.
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Blessings, blessings, blessings. All right, we'll go back to Brad now.
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So Brad, thank you. you're, you've never been shy about this. You've,
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you've been firm, no matter what you were dealing with,
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no matter what the conversation was. And you also, you know,
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it's always a continent or it's never confrontational. Sometimes we
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struggle with that. And here's the other thing, no matter
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how polite and loving you are, the other side's not
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always going to respond that way.
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Well, that's right.
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You know, I mean, uh, when we stand up for
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biblical values, um, You know, I mean, I stood up
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for biblical values on a bill that I wrote about
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marriage at the state legislature and got death threats. I mean,
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they threatened, one person suggested that our church would be
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the good place for the next mass shooting. And so,
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you know, that was, these are the kind of things
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we deal with, you know, we deal with this neutrality mentality,
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which I mentioned earlier, you know, and You know, they
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tell us that we're supposed to be tolerant and we
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have to give them equal time. But when we talk
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about our views, they're willing to cancel us. They're willing
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to destroy our business. They're willing to take us to court. And,
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you know, so it's a very hypocritical position. And so,
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you know, this is the battle we're in. So this
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whole idea of being neutral and tolerant, you know, of course,
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I always like to throw this in. We certainly don't
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want and shouldn't ever force anybody to be Christian. When
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I'm talking about Christian values in government, That's what I'm talking.
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I don't advocate for forcing Christianity on anyone. If we did,
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it wouldn't even be Christianity any longer. But that doesn't
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mean we have to lay down and let somebody else's
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values dictate public policy. No, somebody's values will shape public policy.
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And we believe it is ours that should do that.
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because that's the history of our nation. You know, I
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was telling somebody this back during the campaign I was in,
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and this person said to me, so are you saying
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your values are better than the other person's values?
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And I said, well, yes, I am. I do believe that.
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I mean, if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be
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promoting them.
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And so that's the thing we're dealing with. And so,
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you know, here's one more quote that will kind of
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maybe springboard us into some of these theological issues that
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we touched on before the break. It's an obscure quote
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that most people probably never heard, but it's from Calvin Coolidge,
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who was a very strong Christian. He wasn't a man
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of a lot of words. In fact, his nickname was
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Silent Cal. But anyway, he said this. He said, the
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foundation of our society and our government rests so much,
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on the teachings of the Bible, that it would be
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difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would
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cease to be practically universal in our country. So, I mean,
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this is just one more example of the quotes from
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many of our leaders and founders, you know, that fully
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understood that our nation is based on our freedoms, even
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on Christian principles. So, and that sort of brings us,
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and interrupt anytime you want here, Tamara, I'll just keep talking.
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But this sort of brings us to this idea of,
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are we supposed to win? You know, and Ephesians chapter one,
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you know, most people are familiar with that prayer, you know,
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chapter one, verses 18 through whatever it is there. But
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it goes on and talks about the eyes of our
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understanding being enlightened and that we would realize the hope
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of our calling and the power that's available to us
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that Jesus brought about when he raised Jesus Christ from
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the dead. And it says, and when he seated him
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far above all rule and authority and power and dominion
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and every name that's named. And then he says this,
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in this age and in the age to come. So
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this is not something, this authority over all these principalities
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and powers and thrones and dominions. This is not something
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for the next age only. This is for now. And,
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you know, of course, we think of the Great Commission.
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Jesus said, all authority has been given to me, all
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authority in heaven and on earth. And then he says, go, therefore,
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and make disciples of the nations, teaching them to observe
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all that I've commanded you, baptizing them in the name
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of the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Father, Son,
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and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to observe all
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I've commanded them. And so here's our mandate is to
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make disciples of the nations. And we have the authority
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in this age on earth to do it. And did
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not Jesus tell us to pray, thy will be done
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on earth as it is in heaven. And that's not
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just some hopeful prayer. He expects that. Notice that word be.
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He said be. And back to the Great Commission. That's
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where he said, how do we accomplish this? It's by teaching.
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teaching them to observe all in our community. That's how
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we accomplished the Great Commission. But we've allowed secular humanists
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and all the other people that hold all these unbiblical,
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perverted views to, in many cases, indoctrinate our children and
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our schools. And then we wonder why things are not
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going well. So the authority has been given to us.
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We just need to learn how to rise up and
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use it. And I think that's what's really missing in
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our culture. So I think we should expect to win
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Maybe you have a comment, and I have some more thoughts.
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We could go on that if you want, Tara.
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I'm jotting down several things because they're so much good,
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what you said. We have about three minutes left, but
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I want to talk. You talked about the neutrality. How
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did you say it? A great phrase for it the
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other night. It is a myth of neutrality, and people
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are trying to be neutral, even in the church. There
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is no neutrality in the church. I think the Bible
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calls it lukewarm, by the way.
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Yeah, well, I think we all have to take on
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this to some degree. You know, all the trouble we
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see in our world is because we have lost saltiness.
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And so we need to repent before God. You know,
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I'm not mad at anybody and I'm not mad at
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the Satanists. You know, we love all those people because
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Jesus Christ died for them. But that doesn't mean we
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sit down and shut up and let them rule the day.
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We believe very strongly as Christians that that God cares
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about all people and that his way is the way
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because he's God.
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He's either God or he's not.
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And so we're not mad at anybody, but we have
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to take our values and apply them to the culture.
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And listen, we've talked about the worth of everyone. God,
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Acts 17, 26, one blood, many people. But in that,
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he talks about borders. He talks about countries. Everyone has
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worth in the eyes of God. They absolutely do. but
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that doesn't mean their ideas do, their ideologies do. Some
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of those are dangerous, flat out dangerous, and don't belong
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in the public square. And that's where we have to
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have discernment and the willingness to stand up and say, no.
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Well, Satan, you know, John 10, 10, very familiar scripture.
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Jesus said, the thief has come to steal, kill, and destroy.
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And he said, but I've come that you might have
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life and have it abundantly. And that's what Jesus wants
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for us is to have abundant life. Now, Satan, the thief,
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He's a liar from the beginning. He's the father of lies.
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And he comes to steal, kill and destroy.
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That's evil.
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There is such a thing as evil. And Satan is
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the father of evil. And, you know, it's not love
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to let those people rule the day. It's love to
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take these values and make sure that they are promoted
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and taught in our culture.
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That's an act of love.
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You know, they accuse us of being haters because we
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disagree with them. Well, that's just a rhetoric that they
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use to try to shut us up. But the reality
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is what we're doing is based on love for the culture,
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for them, and for all people. Because it's not God's
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will that any should perish, but that all should come
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to repentance and have eternal life.
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Right. And I think some pastors are now, whether it's
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trying to speak to what's the phraseology of the community,
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I don't know. But there's so much emphasis on love.
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And here's the bill, Brad. Someone said to me, you
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can speak the truth without love and you do damage.
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but you can't love without the truth. You can't honestly
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love someone and not tell them the whole truth. If
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the bridge is out, you're going to tell them, whether
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it slows them down, makes them angry, drives them out
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of the way. If there is deceit there, there's not
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love there. If there's half-truth there, there's not love. You've
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got to tell them the whole truth. And so to
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let people be in their sin and not tell them
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the truth is not love. And it's dangerous and it's
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reckless to tell your your people that they have to
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love without discernment or stewardship for their concerns for their
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family as well. We've got to go to our break.
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We'll be right back. There's so many things yet I
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want to hit on being stewardship, being silent. Silence is surrender.
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We're talking right now when you're in the battle, spiritual battle,
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silence is surrender. Election battle, silence is surrender. We'll be
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right back. Stay tuned.
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Talking with Brad Sherman. Pastor Brad Sherman, former state legislator
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Brad Sherman, author Brad Sherman. It's written on the Constitution.
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And just when you find somebody who can call common sense,
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but I almost think it's an anointing to be able
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to understand with clarity and articulated by the rest of us.
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It's a gem. We're just honored to have Brad with
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us today. I'm going to pop into this video. This
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is that young man, the white resistance that I tried
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to find earlier. Thomas, I think it starts at 1 a.m.
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Have heard of Satan in the first place? Where would
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these people have heard of the devil or Lucifer or
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became familiar with the term Satan in the very first place? Well,
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the truth is there is a book called the Holy Bible.
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This book was written down by people who claimed to
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follow after this man named Jesus Christ. They believed him
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to be the Messiah. They believed him to be the
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King of Kings and they call themselves Christians. They wrote
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a book that we know today as the scriptures. And
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in these scriptures, it tells us of a figure who
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is an enemy of mankind and an enemy of our souls.
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and his name is Satan. So the same source of
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truth that tells you that Satan is real is the
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same source of truth that tells you that Jesus is real.
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And these people who obviously believe in Satan, so necessarily
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believe in Jesus, must have never finished the book. Because
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at the end of the book, it tells you that
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this Messiah, this man named Jesus, who is opposed to
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the devil, ultimately wins. He is ultimately victorious. So if
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I were you, I would reconsider whose side you're on.
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Brad, come on back to and join us in the studio.
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I want just to see a kid get it and
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say it to the best. I know.
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That's absolutely great.
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You know, I heard someone say one time years ago,
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and I've never forgotten it. They said, you know, how
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do you, whenever you see a counterfeit, and Satan is
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always trying to counterfeit what God is doing, but whenever
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you see a counterfeit, it is verifiable truth that the
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real thing certainly exists, because no one counterfeits three dollar bills,
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because there are no real ones, you know, they only
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try to counterfeit 50s and 100s and 20s, because they're
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the ones that have value, and so, you know, Satan's
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always trying to counterfeit God's work. People try to counterfeit
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and displace God's work with something false because it's the
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only one that has value.
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Well said. Well said.
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All right.
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So, Brad, I just said, you know, surrender. Silence is surrender.
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We've been slowly surrendering.
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You don't seem that mad at me. I'm plenty frustrated
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with myself. So you go ahead.
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Yeah, I'm sorry I missed you there.
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You said earlier, I'm not mad at anybody. We don't
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hate anybody. I don't hate folks who are confused. But
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I get very frustrated with people who ought to know better.
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If you're going to be at the pulpit, then take
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that responsibility right now. And I know I keep coming
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back to the election. But it's a spiritual battle at
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the ballot box. And it lies, in my opinion, at
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the feet of the pulpits. When we have a ready army,
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62% of adults in America are Christian. And they don't,
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one fourth, one fourth will show up. That's what they do.
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That's my frustration. So go ahead.
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Well, yeah, we kind of touched on this issue of
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love and loving people and tough love. You know, if
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you really dig into the meaning of the word agape,
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and it's often described as unconditional love. And I think
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that's accurate. But what people I think miss is that
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they think that somehow I'm supposed to just feel all
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warm and mushy toward you no matter what. But the
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warm feelings of love, that's a different word in the
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Greek language in the Bible for love. That's called phileo love.
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That's feelings. And that's important. And I appreciate that. But
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agape love, I like to use the word commitment to
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describe agape love.
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It's committed. It doesn't quit.
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And that's what 1 Corinthians 13 talks about is that
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agape love, and that's the kind of love we're talking about,
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It just it never fails or it never quits. It's
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not conditional. It's not conditioned on how I feel. You know,
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you know, it's like warm feelings come and go. We
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know that as human beings, our feelings are up all
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over the place sometimes. But commitment, agape love never quits
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and it just keeps going.
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So it's not based on feelings.
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So I don't I don't owe anyone anything.
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A warm, mushy feeling.
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I do owe commitment to truth, commitment to God. First,
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I love God. I'm committed, agape committed to the Lord
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Jesus Christ. And if I really care and have commitment
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toward people, I will do everything I can to bring
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them under the loving grace and blessing of God and
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the Lord Jesus Christ, because he is the Lord.
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He's proven it. He is risen from the dead. That's
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what we believe as Christians.
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And so this is the truth that we have to
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have to remember when we come to this love, and
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so if, if what we believe is the best thing,
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I mean, even as parents, I mean, I've got children
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and grandchildren, and there are plenty of times as parents
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where we had to require things of our children that
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did not make them feel warm and mushy toward us,
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you know, we had to, we had to teach them
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the right things, and so that's, that's where we are
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as people, you know, God, we don't, I mean, as
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much as we can learn, we only, we have such
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a small fraction of understanding when it comes to what
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God's all about. But the grace and the good part is,
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is that he does reveal himself to us. If we
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call out to him in prayer, he will reveal himself.
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He will reveal himself to our hearts. His witness will
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bear witness to our spirits that we are the children
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of God when we when we surrender to him. And
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that's an exciting new realm that so many people have
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no idea that exists. And you can't even begin to
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understand it until you take that leap of faith and
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call out to God.
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And he tells us when we ask for wisdom, he
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will give it to us in plenty. He will not
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leave us. When we're asking, well, it says he will
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not leave us or forsake us as well. But when
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we're asking, we're truly seeking him. He will have what
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we need. And Bible says in the hour in which
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we speak, which we need it. Well, we've got to
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be ready to speak it. We've got to show up,
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whether it's the school board meeting, whether it's the school.
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We've talked about Satan in the city council, but we've
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got Satan clubs all over. And Thomas, I don't know
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if you can find that little clip just to go
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to that link about the Satanic clubs after school. But
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it is frightening. And these are in our elementary schools,
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by the way. These are our children. They are somebody
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else's mission field when they're in the public school. That's
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what you need to understand. And so we better start
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standing up, speaking up. To me, surrender is silence. And Brad,
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I have had so many Christian pastors tell me, I
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will go to jail before I deny Christ. And they're
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trying to criminalize Christianity. And frankly, it's always one party.
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As Josh Howerkin says, it's one party that tries to
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consistently criminalize Christianity. But we're seeing it with laws in California,
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laws in Minnesota, and other states. So how am I
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to be convinced that my pastor will go to jail
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before he ceases being a Christian or because he's a
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Christian when, frankly, he's not living up to the obedience
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of the Christian right now in speaking out on these issues?
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Well, I think you make a good point. You know,
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we know people by their fruits. And, you know, if
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we're not willing to be faithful in the little thing,
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which is where we're in many ways, that's where we're
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living now. How can we know that we will be
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faithful now? when much more is on the line in
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the bigger thing. And so we just have to humble ourselves.
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I think, you know, we, and this is something I've
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thought a lot about recently is that we like to
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build our religious boxes and live in them because they
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are safe, you know, and we can have a certain
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amount of truth and we build our little box of
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truth and no, we're not heretics and we are living
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in truth because, but it's a limited truth.
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And we all know that we have limited truth. That's
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just a fact.
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But our box becomes a safe place for us, and
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we're not willing to step outside of that box to
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learn more. And so I just encourage Christians and pastors
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everywhere to step outside the box. Don't live in a
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safe place. Take the risk. God's got your back. I
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hear people all the time say they're concerned about us
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getting into error or something like that. Well, of course,
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we should be concerned about that. Nobody with a true
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heart wants to live in error. but his word is truth,
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and his word will keep us on track if we
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stay focused on his word, and he will continue to
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reveal to us things from his word that are just
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absolutely mind-boggling and off the charts. We haven't even begun
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to scratch the surface in terms of the depth of
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the wisdom and the knowledge of God that we can
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be found in his word, so we have a very
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safe place in the word of God, but But our
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own boxes and safe places are not designed to be
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the end of everything.
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We, when we're obedient, will be successful. When we go
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in the name of Jesus, covered in the blood, we
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will conquer. We will be conquerors of Jesus Christ. It's
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like the scriptures say, we will trample serpents, we will
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bring down demons and strongholds. And frankly, that's what we need.
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And we keep praying, but we need to be obedient.
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And we need to be taking that into the public
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square ourselves. Brad Sherman, thank you for joining me today.
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We are out of time. Always appreciate when you can
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come by. Live boldly, laugh better, laugh bigger, be encouraged,
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not be complacent.