Balancing Legacy Code, Content Creation, and Career Growth with The Primeagen

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What's going on everybody welcome to another whiskey web and what not with myself Robert
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William Wagner and my co-host as always Charles William Carpenter the third with our guest
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today the primogen what's going on hey howdy thanks for having me here you know I immediately
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recognize that you both have beautiful voices and I'm coming in like strong Rick and Morty vibes
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where you guys are definitely like oh hey oh whiskey and it's all the microphone it's seriously
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yeah we don't sound like this in real life yeah I actually sound like one of the lollipop kids in
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real life but you know I'm able to tune that yeah no totally totally I definitely know I should
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sell my business to the microphone no it's definitely not the microphone you guys are significantly
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more manly than me clearly I don't know what happened to my voice but I wish I had it
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well I'll take the compliment yeah okay yeah or maybe we should do some twitch streams on
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having a voice for radio you do you have a beautiful voice for radio I didn't say you have a
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face for radio I said you had a voice for radio so you should be happy about it yeah yeah
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maybe I've got a little bit of both it's hard to say yeah you never know I'm only 45 I could
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still do a pivot yep you can try so for folks who don't know who you are do you want to give a
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little bit of an intro into who you are and what you do sure I'm probably best known for either
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youtube or twitch effectively I try to make dumb things for the most part on twitch recently I'm
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actually trying to make something serious I'm trying to build good technology on twitch for the
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most part I don't build good things right it's just something I just feel like doing in the moment
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for whatever reason I feel like it so yeah that's pretty much what I'm known for is being fast at
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them having strong opinions that I tweet with very little context and dumb youtube videos performance
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youtube videos some like that I feel like though you're cycling back a little bit to the youtube
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channel more and trying to massage it a little bit seems like some of the newer content there
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is like the twitch stuff but more focused and like oh okay we're going to focus on this one thing
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and I'm gonna walk you through how I do it and some feedback I have about something like that maybe
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I'm not cleaning it correctly but you're close so I don't know if you've ever ran a larger channel
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for those that don't I'm right I'm almost 170,000 subs on my main channel 12 or 13,000 on my
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side channel and it feels this immense pressure all the time to do good content on my main channel and
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it is like it is really hard I released by far my most well crafted best ever smoothest video
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of all time or video in a long time and it just like emotionally crushes me that's something I can
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spend two weeks on just get destroyed whereas my side channels kind of been like my creative outlet
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where I can just dump whatever I want from my twitch stream onto it and it's just been like
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outrageously successful and kind of that's like the direction I realize is that
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when you start off doing anything you start off in a very niche way right like you just have
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to be building something around something very specific like VIM or this is like I am the person
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that knows everything about TypeScript you can think about like MAP Polcock and as you grow an
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audience you can no longer remain in your niche and so I've been just having this like falling
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out of my niche crisis where I don't know what I'm even doing anymore so I'm just uploading me
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doing nothing and it's actually been working super well and like it makes me feel even more
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meaningless because now I'm like what the hell have I been doing for these last couple of years
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like I just like not knowing what it's been an emotional roller coaster this this whole YouTube
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thing yeah I can see that we're like you start to question whether you are popular due to
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entertainment value or are you providing other value to people yeah maybe a little of both and I
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think that at some point when you get to a certain level you have to be entertaining and I think
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I was always first entertaining and then I would say dumb things and then I'd probably say something
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technical because you know I've been programming for 15 years I've been at a fainting company for
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10 I have open offers many places like I'm not a bad programmer I know that I'm maybe not a good
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one but I'm definitely not a bad one and so it's just like I think I have something to offer
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that's technical and sound but I don't think that that's what causes me to be where I'm at I don't
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know sorry these are just things I've been thinking about just like I know this may not be entertaining
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for your audience whatever but it's like it's like an emotional struggle being these things where
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you're just trying to or at least my personal goal is that the thing I want to see is that people
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to stop just accepting where they're at as that's the best place to be right like I want them to go
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okay I'm learning how to program I want to go to breakout at tutorial hell programming is not
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supposed to be difficult because you don't know what you're doing programming is supposed to be
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difficult because you're building something hard and it takes time and thought but you can do it
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I feel like most people get stuck on point one they don't make it to point two and I'm trying to
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like make them get to point two and it's very important for me sorry I'm all over the place
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no no you guys can direct to the conversation no no it's fine that's okay we're kind of like our
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main podcast is like your side channel you know we have a very loose format and it's really just
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arbitrage for free whisky anyway so you know well that different things that would glean along
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the way or entertaining and they do make a couple of points there that I think we'll come back to
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while we start to move forward a little bit into some of the hot takes because you are mentioning
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you like sometimes like two post either videos or things on Twitter to like spark controversy whether
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you mean it or not so we'll talk about some of those in a second but I'll dive into the whiskey
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you did get it right you got a bonus too I did get it and I have a very special cup
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I have brought may I show you my cup absolutely you can see it I don't think the people at home
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can see it but it says victory on one side and it has a chiseled in AK on the other side do you
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know what this is controversial in itself but no I don't it is and from the movie set of Netflix
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is very first movie we ever produced beast of no nation and so all the people that worked either
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on the website of things or on the show there was this as one of the many things that came out of
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it and so I helped work a little bit on the show and so I got a little nice little chiseled cup and
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so it's a it's fun little edged in whiskey cup that's from Netflix 2016 I think oh wow yeah
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that's funny I would think longer ago really like their first produced thing but yeah that's
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pretty cool it was first produced movie yes yes our first producing was Lily Hammer nobody remembers
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that 2015 2015 I just looked it up right now October 16th 2015 so I wasn't far off yeah I guess
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that's seven eight almost eight years ago yeah so interesting well I don't I think I don't even
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know what mine is oh I think this came with some kind of kit but it's a Glen Carn pretty traditional
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like whiskey tasting thing oh yeah and then we've got this thingy the old Nelson Brothers so this
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is a Nelson Brothers reserve bourbon yes oh 107.8 proof so it's got a little heat to it
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can't find out the mass spill in or the age statement because they're super secret at least but
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all bourbons must be four years minimally aged by law this is actually a bourbon out of Tennessee
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and Robbie and I have been to the distillery there called the green briar distillery yeah I was like
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oh I want to try one of those things I thought you couldn't have a bourbon if it's not from Kentucky
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yeah that is incorrect like it's the only federally regulated spirit it's also like organic in
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that sense and so you can't artificially flavor it or anything like that but there's no bounds in
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terms of where it can be created so it has to be like 51% corn it has to go into the barrels at a
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certain proof it can be artificially flavored for your minimum all those kinds of things are the
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laws but it doesn't have to be in Kentucky so I thought it was like but isn't that like the phrase
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like proper bourbon is from Kentucky or am I just making that up I mean ask someone from Kentucky
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yes we have a little pride but that's really all it is now if they try to call it like Kentucky
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straight bourbon obviously it should be from Kentucky and not Tennessee but the only thing that
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makes Jack Daniels not bourbon because it has a same mass spill that fits all of that is that when
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they filter it they filter it through maple flavored charcoal so no not bourbon anymore disgusting
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that's what I said yeah yeah says the man with an AK cup hey it's a sweet cup okay you know what is
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I hope it's still a good day even though you had to use your AK so I think it's going to be
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smells good are we taking our drinks now yeah we do whatever yeah we're evaluating yeah I do
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a little smelling first trying to glean something I'm mimicking you guys I'm not whiskey
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worst if you will I poured a really big drink I realized that I went like almost two fingers on
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this one I'm gonna have to slow down perfect I think this is gonna get exciting this is probably
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why you're more productive than I am so I smell some steamed green beans what you're getting that
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I had a little vanilla I don't know what you put on your green beans some leather as well yeah yeah
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rich mahogany I smell a light alcohol said that's what I was smelling yeah picking up a slight
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burn in the nose it's got a little burn on the tongue too this one's hot yeah for sure yeah one oh
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seven um yeah trying to glean a little more out of this I'm getting some orange rind I'm getting
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a little vanilla in the beginning I'm getting the hell burn out of my tongue as long as it stays
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so yeah this one's spicy mm-hmm do you guys ever make a mix drinks with these are you guys
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old-fashioned I do like an old-fashioned okay not on the show but personally yes old-fashioned would
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be one of my go-to's I like a bowl of RDA I don't know especially in the room winter for some
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reason so that you know has um maro's in it and sweet for muth I don't know I don't make a ton
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other one so you cocktail connoisseur I wish I was every time I see someone make cocktails and
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talk about the origin and the stories I'm like I could totally do that but then you know I also
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don't want to have to drink that many cocktails to get to this point being good at it right what
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you do for the last years I was hammered what'd you do yeah yeah and I think they were delicious I
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don't remember you want to try one that I think was a good time yeah you did invite people over
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frequently so you don't have to drink them all yourself this is true that's actually a good idea
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speedrun cocktail tasting mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah someone says like an orangey creme brulee kind of thing
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for me a little burn sugar little little little leathery on the finish getting a little apple
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we usually make this stuff up okay yeah also I watch your channel I know you listen to this
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podcast like religiously but I'll I'll repeat for everyone else so we do with the very stringent
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rating scale one two eight tentacles we use tentacles because our agencies logo is an octopi like
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character so one being horrible eight being like amazing drink it every day for average and then
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you can kind of skew anywhere in between for you and just kind of compare it to like things you've
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had already do you like it better do you like it wears to you know we categorize it around like
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bourbons and whatever else but we also like do this every week so we've had way too much liquor for
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this year already yeah so I'll let Robbie go first you can set a tone for you okay I'm gonna get
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this one a seven I think hmm can't really say why but I like it hmm oh should I just call
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you prime you can call me prime prime's good yeah okay so prime yeah if you would like to
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all right so I've only had a few whiskies in my life right I've had your bottom shelf ones or at
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least what I consider bottom shelf your Jack Daniels I've never really enjoyed that and then I have
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with me at my house I have a few bottles of blattens there's a guy locally that every single time
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he gets a shipment and he goes do you want buffalo tracer blattens and as a smart individual I
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always buy at least one just because you got to always have them on yeah available yeah even though
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now I currently have 10 years worth of whiskey I'm still gonna just keep buying them because they're
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very very good yeah and bladens I think is really smooth it's easy to drink it has you know but
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it's not nearly as flavorful as this one this one has a lot of flavor it definitely hits the
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tongue harder my tongue already feels almost like a little sensitive from drinking it and so
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for me I don't know if I could drink a lot of this because I think it's gonna give me heartburn
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it's like a really intense drink and so I think that if I got into whiskey's more this would
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probably be a lot higher rating but since I'm not super into it and this is just really intense
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for my palate I'd put this at like a five yeah that's above average that's all right yeah that's
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fair yeah it might be very flavorful but all of the intensity around those flavors like couldn't
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turn you off as a regular zipper or and if you maybe if you were gonna make cocktails with this
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high heat and you were adding other like sweet like ingredients yeah then it would temper some of
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that for you too so still give you some of the flavor without like so much spice and heat to it
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yeah this seems like a very good one to mix yeah you could definitely see that or even just a few
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drops of water or an ice cube that's another way to kind of curb some of that I was actually
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gonna go get some ice cubes for our next one because I love that's fair ice cubes with these yeah
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we can make that work any pauses or snafu's get edited anyway so this matter yeah I don't know
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I'm about a six and a half on this one I think it's pretty flavorful I think I've gotten kind of a
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punch in the face so maybe it'll open up and evolve for me but for now it's like this is good
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and it's pleasant for a bourbon and not too sweet so yeah I'm gonna go six and a half cool
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all right so from the man who has so many opinions let's start with something that I haven't seen
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go too crazy on Twitter get rebase or get merged okay so I have pretty strict policies around
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this so first I should probably talk about what do I work on I work in a old legacy also modern c
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plus plus code base that has existed longer than I've been at Netflix I've been at Netflix for a
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decade we have something like I don't know 500,000 commits to the code base very very large right
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takes a long time to download if you're doing the full history and all that and so for me personally
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I think the best way to use Git is that you take your set of commits you commit frequently put
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little squash me whatever things you take your commit once you feel like that's the item get it
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into a singular commit good nice like tagline exactly what you worked on you know work on widgets
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change this thing right so that way when I need to just go find the commits associated with widgets
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I can go widget being like a dom know that's what we call them in Netflix so I do that and then I
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rebase that change on top of the current release train that is being worked or developed on because
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again remember we're a television product that means every you know x times a year we actually have
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like hard cuts in our c plus plus and therefore all changes need you know to pretty much always
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go forward and only critical things need to go back and it's not like we can just ask our television
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partners to go deploy some c plus plus third to the field right so it's like it's a very
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complicated process so mine comes from I think a need of complication and strictness and so I always
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try to be very strict when it comes to Netflix stuff personally I just don't like having more
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commits in a code base sometimes when I'm looking for a bug especially on a smaller project I know like
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in my head oh it's probably right here let me look at this change set really quickly I can kind of
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just get logged look at the last ten see okay did it did it but the more merges the more that
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kind of stuff I feel like it just clouds things up a little bit I don't really like it I like just
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kind of a clean thing and then on like a philosophical level when you merge something in I feel like
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your change your atomic change what you've considered the thing that you built I really think that
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it should rest on top because whatever's below it has been tested approved and stamped to go out
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your change fundamentally has not had that and so interweaving it into the commit history kind of
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feels almost unclean to me if you will and then lastly reverting or cherry picking is super
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complicated if you don't keep things clean and squashed and so for me it just seems to make most
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sense to always just rebase keep it simple when I need to cherry commit or cherry pick which is
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already a sign you're in a bad place to begin with yeah what it's happened I think we've all been
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there where we had to just cherry pick something out so that's kind of like my philosophy which
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is just comes from working on a team with 12 people in a large code base that existed for over a
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decade and so I try to follow that as the best I can I think that's all very reasonable yeah and I
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think strict over less strict for the most part unless it's like a personal project a very small
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thing is kind of a good principle to using your career in general because you never know where
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you're gonna land and what kind of projects you'll come into or even start yourself and so
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like why not have a base set of principles and not have the context change too much yeah and I
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find that no one is upset if you rebase your changes and commit on top right no one's gonna
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argue if you don't add any merge commits you don't do any of that and you have a single little
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commits that you're throwing in they're fairly atomic and they're very nice nobody argues that
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but take the inverse you got yourself a little bit of a problem you're gonna have some things
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you're gonna be challenged on you could have co-workers upset so I just tend to operate in a way
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that causes the least disturbance to the ecosystem yeah that's a good citizen that's what that is
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agrees that yeah I totally agree with that hey good citizen can I ask you guys questions sure sure
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you're in a code base and there's two definitions of a good citizen here the first one in which
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is probably the one we all use is that a good citizen does what the other people effectively do
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you follow the style guidelines you do everything that you know you want to make code such that
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it looks as if if someone was perusing the code they couldn't tell your spot from somebody else
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is right you've done a good job when and how do you decide not to be a good citizen hmm interesting
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sorry when you say the good citizen thing yeah what I realized is that all good citizens
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pave a road to hell if your code base is starting to go down because you keep mimicking each other
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in worse and worse practices yeah I tend to just come in and disagree with everything as much as
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I can so like we have with the get rebased stuff I've been trying to force everyone to squash
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and merge PR's like I get that sometimes that's not the best thing to do because maybe you do
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actually want three commits or something that are like atomic commits but overall it's like using
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prettier to me it's like if we all do it it's always the same it might not be your favorite because
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prettier has opinions and whatever too but like that is the best thing to use in my opinion so
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like I think doing things like that enforcing people to do things the cleanest way whether
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everyone likes it or not is like good for people but it can also I guess cause a lot of problems
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if everyone hates the thing you're trying to introduce right exactly so I was a say I have a lot
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of my career that has been in like a leadership perspective so I have the idea of coming into like
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if there's a challenge coming up I'm not personally going to become the bad citizen I'm going
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to like start to rally around a discussion of a potential pivot in whatever the rules of
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engagement are because a problem has started to show itself and so instead of like saying
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this problem surfaced I know the better way and then evangelizing a forced like path through
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that I'm instead going to say we all live here right this is our home you know looks like some
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walls are falling down in our home so let's talk about how we're going to deal with getting the
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foundation solid again and then go down path which is more time consuming so you know there's
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some trade-offs to that but I'm never like a guns ablaze and kind of fellow unlike Robbie it sounds
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yeah I'm bad cop yeah I am good cop and I'm like I want to be your friend and we all
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have to live together so let's figure out a solution here so at what point do you know to pull
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that trigger because I always find that or at least one thing I find difficult is that
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there can be established pattern in code base so I'm not even talking about style right like say
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using classes or only using functions or this or that right or whatever soup to sure is the
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inevitably all decisions turn bad over a period of time why because we are using an imperfect language
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to describe a perfect set of logic blah blah all the philosophical talk we can throw on top of it
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and we're imperfect people trying to describe something that demands perfection right and so it's
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like at what point do you try to break it and start something new and then even harder how do you
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make that change happen when someone new comes to the code base and now they have do I take the code
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pattern and how they're doing things from search or should I take it from over here and how they
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do it from member that's an interesting thing well I think conversely so there's one thing is that
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the speed of change has accelerated massively over the last like five years or so so I think that
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like the point you initially make where all decisions at some point kind of end up being wrong
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and then you have to take a look at things and how does it rear its ugly head right either like
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someone sees something and they raise their hand or you have a massive error that makes it into
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an environment freaks people out or something it does make it to production you've got like a
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series of hot fixes and then in your like you know retrospective around that use say we fucked up
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where are we going to go with this but I think right now stuff is changing so fast that I don't
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know that things that frequently get to that point there's a lot of architectural pivots framework
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pivots language pivots you know every web tool getting rewritten in rust 64 new new frameworks
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let's go rust I know I mean to a degree I loved and I think you were doing a kind of tongue in
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cheek to Kent but like Kent was just like type scripts here to stay yeah like and or not this is
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the thing and you're like rust is here to stay we're all going to do this and I don't think you're
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necessarily wrong like I am very intrigued by rust and that it the potential of web components
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delivering on that promise from oh to more than 10 years ago yeah so the promise of wasm
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yeah it's going to be there this is the year of wasm and then it's like next year this is the year
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was yeah you can even write JavaScript that compiles over like I don't know what's stopping you
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so for those that don't know the tweet effectively what Mike unless if I'm teaching the fundamentals
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of JavaScript I'll be using TypeScript from here on forward let's just face the TypeScript one
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I believe I've effectively nailed it there's no going back just get used to you're going to be
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using it yeah a big thing I think this is like a twitch thing and I think this likely comes across
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offended I think he didn't really like it but it's like a very twitch thing to do which is just
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copy paste when someone says something you just copy it you just paste it you just say the same
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thing and also and you'll see like a chat that will just take over as just like the same thing
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being said by 15 people because one person said something pretty serious yeah and so everybody
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else like meme meme meme and so of course I just copy and paste and just replace the word TypeScript
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with rust because I'm like oh funny god for roasted said yeah right because it makes no sense
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like why would I be teaching JavaScript fundamentals let alone using rust all the time like
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both those things don't even make any sense said together but it actually it accidentally blew up
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like I didn't even mean it for it to blow up but it is a good point which is the web in the next
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three years is gonna actually arrive at like a crossroad where more than one thing can happen
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we can all get a chance to use something that maybe is a little less traditional if you consider
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JavaScript traditional like in a sense that go I think will be a real viable option because
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how much do you want to bet that web assembly is going to start shipping or at least V8 will start
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shipping a its own garbage collection you know memory what a malloc or whatever you call that thing
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I'm trying to think of the right word I the whiskey has made my words go away already I know can
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you believe I'm a huge lightweight and so it's like once those things start happening also it just
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opens the door for everything to execute and so the next big revolutions coming it's just like
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what is it going to be and I think rust plays a very like exciting future because it's just so
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different yeah I can definitely agree with that and I think that like there's already a hard look at
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what is the architecture that creates the web and it's not so singular as it had kind of evolved
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back into like the big joke is like actually PHP wasn't so bad anymore yeah you can web render or
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you can server render everything so now we can do it again that's astro like that's Fred Fred was
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like it's actually not bad yeah and it really isn't bad I think that the promise of interactivity
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and JavaScript and Ajax requests and all those things that kind of came about in 2011 2012
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it just made everything really hard and it's now like we have like two worlds that exist we have
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this kind of like simplified more simple SSR model and then this really complex one that everyone
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knows that there's islands and they exist and I'm very confused by this term but nonetheless like
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there's these there's just so much happening for somebody to get up to speed it just seems like
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I don't even know how I do web programming at this point like if I had to start now the deficit
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that I would be in is just enormous well you would learn react in the way that like people learned
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jQuery to work on the web years ago it's never like vanilla JavaScript which is interesting so
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it always like turns out that like demands in the hiring market end up being a learning path
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because CS programs lag behind in real world training I think and then your boot camps or you know
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whatever skill acclimation paths that happen when you first get started I mean for me when I first
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got started I was slicing Photoshop files and putting things into tables for layout and so like
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the good days yeah yeah dream weaver was a thing which is funny because I was watching a stream
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with Jason Langstrom and he was somebody mentioned dream weaver and he was like does that still
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exist it does it still exists so somebody's doing that right now in some way shape reform net being
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still exists it doesn't mean it's like a good idea to use it right yeah for somebody is just sticking
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around and paying that licensing fee every year just magically can we jump on yet another really
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hot topic yeah absolutely because you said that universities aren't producing people that are like
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really up to speed for work environments yeah I'd like to make a counter argument I think they
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actually produce people better equipped for the real world than anything we have today okay I can
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say that there's probably a slight misnomer in that statement for me I think that it depends on
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the job and I think that I mean demand has for the web in marketing departments for example has
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existed for many many years and that was like an entryway if you weren't like working in .net doing
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e-commerce setup things like that right so obviously CS programs are setting you up to work for a bank
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they're setting you up to work in a fang environment or what is it now it's a bang anyway
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manga yeah yeah where you really need to do like serious algorithms and computation and stuff right
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not like edit a WordPress theme so I guess that I think in terms of like what the skill set is
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for a lot of job like common jobs out in the marketplace and not like SaaS products necessarily
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things like that like there's rather than like highly specialized like actual programming and really
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just like web work so that was my my tie into things like jQuery but now jQuery is react and a lot
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of the react is UI yeah I can buy that so in that sense computer science programs aren't necessarily
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getting people ready for that either although I hear they're starting to teach react as like the gateway
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in a bunch oh that's sad just in time for it to die what are you Robbie yeah I think a traditional
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degree prepares you for taking on challenges of whatever sort so it's like you know if you can
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prove you get through college then it's like you can probably debug stuff you can probably find your
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way through different languages or whatever but if there's a huge lack like Chuck was saying in like
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teaching the things you actually need for like your job but it teaches you how to learn those
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things so you should be able to learn on the job provided they're flexible and aren't only hiring
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like senior in a X framework devs yeah I mean because at the end of the day learning HTML learning
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plain CSS learning vanilla JavaScript sets you up into why these tools help you you know and they
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accelerate through like oh here's the sugar that helps me get there faster and I understand like
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what this API provides I understand these utility classes solve this problem on a different scale like
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just walking in and knowing tailwind it's like pretty challenging because when you go to another
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project and they use material UI or a Ben framework or something else then you're going to be like
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what does this mean so here's my counter to all this which is the point of university isn't
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to prepare you for a practical job in the moment at a design studio at a marketing place whatever you
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want it is to teach you what a function does and why a function works the way it does so that no
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matter what framework you're using you can guess and understand how it works therefore you can
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debug and root a problem significantly faster the reason why I can understand closures and those
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things when I first learned JavaScript really like in a night or in a a very technical sense is because
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I had the build a compiler that used a IL intermediate language which is Microsoft's kind of LLVM
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before LLVM and there was no such thing as closures you had the generate closures by programming in
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the assembly to actually make hidden functions with variables think groovy and kind of like actually
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create those things and so when I was using the web or using a more Lucy goose language that didn't
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have this concept of closures because I came from my Java 1.5 there's no closures like it was not how
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the world works back then and it was very simple because I'm like oh I know exactly what's happening
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and I know why it's happening and I understand why this for loop which is relying on I but I
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is changing in the functions failing I understand why because I have written this like I understand
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the fundamental concept for what's happening here which I think makes all forms of learning and
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acceleration a hundred times easier you may start further behind but it's kind of like do you want
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to start at the starting line and go 10 miles an hour or do you want to start a hundred yards back
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and go 20 miles an hour I want to choose the 21 hour because after a mile I'm going to be way ahead
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I'm going to be crushing yeah and so that's kind of like my main argument for it and I understand why
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people can't do it I mean all the practical reasons blah blah blah blah but I do think that
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as a web in general we are really undervaluing like why do languages look the way they look
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why do we use the things we use like what is type discrimination why does it work how does pattern
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mashing work have you like thought about these things in a more deeper level and it makes a lot of
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sense once you understand memory and layout and why JavaScript behaves the way it does all
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said it becomes very clear and beautiful so and now I'm going to counterpoint you counterpoint which
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in that I agree with everything that you said except for I don't think you have to get it from
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university I think that there can be a more technical training program that focuses on these things
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and makes it an important part of like initial training and perhaps like if you're an accelerator
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program like that's not where the money is like I need to get you out in a job in 12 weeks or
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18 weeks or whatever else but like yeah coming in and understanding programming fundamentals I think
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is an important part of that and then it helps you find answers so that if you don't know whatever
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framework you can walk in and go through it and understand why it's doing some certain things
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and how that helps you yeah I love that answer and I really want it to be true yeah but practically
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speaking like who's going to spend three months learning computational theory yeah it's just so
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they then in three months they can now finally start doing their initial compiler approach right like
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it's yeah it's an emotionally hard you know commitment to make and the most impactful class I've
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ever had was compilers that thing has benefited me more than any other class in the last 15 years
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and is by far the most useless class I have ever taken you know so it's it's kind of interesting
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like dichotomy that ends up happening which is like here's a completely useless class that ends up
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being the most useful foundational stuff I don't build compilers I build one compiler professionally
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just one how could you turn that into a plural site course and make it engaging I wonder it is a good
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question which is how do you make this into something that people can practically use because
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let's just face you don't need to know pigeonhole theorem you don't need to know any of these
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things you don't even know what a push down automatized right you don't have to know those things
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to start writing the pilot so there is some practical application to it that you can skip over the
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theoretical yeah that would be interesting because I think there's a gaping hole in some of those
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things in terms of like things that you can self learn because I'm self taught you know I didn't
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take computer science yeah college I was supposed to be an architect dammit the hardest degree I think
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to earn is architecture right and honestly it's a very saturated market second to like lawyers
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so it's really hard to actually be successful in that and do exciting projects not everybody gets
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to be frank giri you know yeah it's kind of sad because I feel like architecture is by far
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like a though just the hardest degree the kids that had to work the hardest longest hours were
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always architects they're always just just non stop but be it's just like yeah it's great that you
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got this degree but that one architect just produced five plans that has sold to like a half
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million houses sorry there's only gonna be like four million houses you know built this year and
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you know 20% of them just went out the door to one person right and just like shit sorry darn it
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okay can I curse on this if I absolutely yeah yeah I dropped the F bomb earlier okay I only
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curse to convey an emotion I don't curse to convey a word that I should have used so you'll never
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hear me say like oh I'm trying to like you know like what's that shit all you know people are like oh
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you know what the fuck is that right it's just like no you're you're ruining the thing like you're not
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describing what you're trying to say you're not describing you're feeling you're only just saying
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how it feels like you got to get smarter with your language sorry that's like a passion point of
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we should use words that convey meaning as best we can yeah I don't know fuck has a lot of
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different connotations and meanings based on the emphasis and very versatile yeah I understand
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that there definitely can be some lazy use right because there's some people who don't like
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comedians that use profanity and then I think there are comedians that use profanity that enhances
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yeah this subject like George Carlin is a master yeah of combining that street language and
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very intelligent speak so yeah I'm totally on that team like so what growing up my two favorite
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comedians were Brian Regan and Dave Chappelle right like they're about as far on the spectrum from
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each other as you could possibly get but that was like my 2005 era was walking on the moon and
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the Chappelle show so I was like those were like yeah the formative years of my life and so I like
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I just don't like it when it replaces thought but when it is an emphasize like you have to
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I don't know or it's an intention grab or yeah yeah yeah I don't like using it for shock that's
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weak I think using it to make somebody feel what you're thinking yes that's good like it's good yeah
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yeah for emphasis I think it's kind of like get your attention yeah now we're going down this journey
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but in deadwood I mean everybody uses polite language I figured like there's a lot of cursing
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and like leather chaps or something but not like motorcycle chaps like horse chaps
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yes yeah absolutely you've nailed it a lot of like a shaint like all the great words hitherto
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thitherto oh my boy come here come thitherto boy I'm like oh you're I come so before I forget actually
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one of our colleagues was he had a question for you too and I was like I want to make sure I
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squeeze it in and we talked a little bit about like other things that you could teach or whatever
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and he said any plans for a future longer format courses like the one you did for front and
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masters comparing ts go and rust yeah so actually on first off for those that I don't know yeah I
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did like this polyglot course I think it's too much too quick I can operate within three languages
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fairly easily and I think that that probably was maybe too quick for a the format so on march 10th
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I will be doing a another front and masters just rust for typescript devs so I'm just trying to
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take concepts from typescript and map it over to rust so that way you can understand like you know
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what are unions in typescript this is a union how do you represent a union in rust okay this is a class
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how does a class work in rust this is function this is functional programming and then of course
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obviously dispel the borrow checker list versus vector all those kind of fun things but yeah I do
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it a little bit of long long form content so this is like another one of these emotionally hard
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parts for me is that there's this thing that I really want is that I really want to be able to work
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full time in content but I also recognize that if you're not working in the real world you become
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divorced and you start just being wrong about things you're no longer operating in reality and so
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I don't want to quit my job but I do want to quit my job if you understand that and so one of the
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things is that if you quit your job you have to be able to make a living and obviously I have a lot
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of knowledge of typescript I would say that I'm not mad pocock slash trash dev level of typescript
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knowledge but I'm not far from that and I also know a lot about rust right I'm not faster than
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lime smart but I am fairly smart at rust and I know I could teach a really good solid course and
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sell it by myself and I could make a lot of money and I could go out and do those kind of things but
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at the same time like I don't want to be one of those influencers that have a course you know what I
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mean like every person that does influencing does ads if you've watched all my products I've
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had two ad placements in the entirety of hundreds of videos and all that like that's it and it's
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because I really want the content itself to be good and I feel like people lose some of their
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confidence when they see that I don't want to be another tech lead I don't want to be another guy
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that sells out and then everybody hates right I want to end this like sign felt where I go well hey
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we're at the peak but I'm done here everybody take care I hope you guys all do good and just like
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end in a good positive way and so that's one of the things I see and so I struggle with that question
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I think about it a lot I've talked to my wife I've talked to people who do it for a living
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and I've really tried to figure out like what's the best way to do it and it's super difficult
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there you go yeah I mean if you want to maintain the balance I think that is pretty challenging
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because at the end of the day everybody has bills to pay right yeah sometimes you have to make
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sacrifices for that so if you have a stable income then obviously you can make choices that are
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personally feel good to you without any loss if there's a gain gravy if not like yeah that's
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totally fine as well so yeah I get that that's interesting yeah one of the hard parts about
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that is that for me to maintain my current lifestyle meaning that every day I stream on Twitch
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for a couple hours every day I do a bunch of stuff I think about YouTube for me to be able to
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maintain that I wake up at 530 no matter what and I usually wake up at 5 but lately I've been doing
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530 recently health issue all that with my wife had to kind of recover from that totally
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throughout the sleep schedule so I'm like working my way back so two nights ago my daughter was up
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until 1am there's nothing I could do about she's not even two years old there's just that's how
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works and so I'm still waking up every day at 530 to maintain the schedule and it's just like the
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difficulty of making it so that it doesn't feel like it's selling is really hard and most people
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don't know what it takes to actually do that yeah a lot of people make it sound really easy
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like if you listen to syntax west bosses I was like yeah I record a video every day and like
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it's just super easy to do and like there's tons of time to do it every once you record a video
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per day and it's like um no sir right I do not have time for a video every day yeah I mean I have
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two small kids I yeah you know day job work across multiple clients and then doing this once a
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week is one thing but like every single day keeping an interesting and fresh it's just challenging
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for me and maybe that's just you know me versus west but yeah I think that if like marketing yourself
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and having a brand and I'm not saying this is like so old motivation or anything like maybe it's
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just a different beast but like that I think is trading to a degree right like it's hard if it's not
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fun then what is it then and it's not your primary source of income and not fun then what are
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you doing I think the big thing that that to be successful at this longer than a year or longer than
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two years or longer than three years there's a couple different acts as you have to kind of think on
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and one growth is fun right no matter what somebody says you know you'll always hear content
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creators would be like oh I just do it because I love to do it right and it's just like the reality
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is is that if you start growing it's fun in of itself you're like wow like like two years ago
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I had a hundred people watch me on Twitch when I signed off I was at 1200 people watch me on Twitch
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it feels fun to have that kind of stuff right no matter how you feel about it it's fun to have growth
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but that only lasts for so long you can't infinitely grow so what's the part that gets you through the
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you know the not growing seasons right because there was also three years that I was less than 100
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I was 30 people for a year then 40 then 50 then also 100 then then just took off like a rocket
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but nonetheless it's like you have to be able to have fun and so I bet you West likes and loves
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that right right he likes being able to investigate these things and so he may not make videos
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if he were doing it by himself if he isn't a closed loop by himself he probably just investigate
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those things laugh at it have it his knowledge talk about it with people but since we live in a
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world where that's happened and he's successful at it he gets to do both which I think it's really
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where you know the glory of it all is is that if you can grow or be big and then also love what
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you do you're like excited about the thing for the sake of the thing I think it works really really
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well and even if you have to get up every day at 5.30 and go to bed when hopefully you can go to
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bed every day at nine but it doesn't work that way I was gonna say good for you my kids go to bed at
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eight and you know sometimes have oh they want to get up a few more times or whatever else yeah
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and then we're like we just want an hour or so to ourselves a lot of times that's a time to like
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watch a show or spend a little time with my wife and then 10 I can usually get 10 yeah and then I'm
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back up at six so the cadence isn't completely off but yeah I feel that you need some consistency to
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sort of keep going and then things get thrown in there every once in a while yeah yeah I think the
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hardest part is dealing with a slow down like I don't know how you guys feel about your numbers
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and all that kind of stuff because you know I am sure you guys run you've been running this for
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how long now over a year right yeah year and a half something like that yeah I bet you there's
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been inevitable times where it's it's just slower than it's been faster and like you know no matter
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how much you you don't want it to be true it hurts a little bit it always does hurt a little bit
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you know you you want to be like I'm making a thing that I'm pouring my heart into I hope people
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like and then when people don't watch you like oh like that hurts like it hurts right here because it's
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it's an extension of who I am right in some sense and that yeah hurts a little bit I get that too
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yeah that was a say like you you do have a an identity that people know you know yes you work at
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Netflix but like how many people are like oh yeah I heard you working Netflix like no they're not
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talking about that they're talking about the other aspects I don't know I choose the ostrich syndrome
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and so I just put my head in the sand and I don't know what's happening I just show up and sometimes
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ask people personally to be on this and I don't and I pick the whiskey sometimes with Robbie like
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I'm the shipper I have a it's more about the whiskey and just chilling yeah I try to keep it there
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Robbie's a little more attuned to those metrics and I'm like I don't know yeah I watch the numbers
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yeah it's still a real thing right no matter how you feel about it it's a real thing and this
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goes I mean this really can apply to any part in life right if you work really hard at a job
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and you're hoping for a good pay raise recognition a better title whatever and it doesn't happen
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you know it hurts because in some sense what you've been pouring into feels invalidated yeah right
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and so this is a universal feeling anyone can understand it's just that most people's understanding
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of it is in vague titles the difference between senior and staff or from senior to lead or whatever
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you want to say whereas yours is like an actual number right here like yeah it's the fifth hour
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in and it's not performing as well statistically you know like it just hurts in a more specific level
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we lose 50 subscribers we're like what did we do yeah yeah it's that AK cup you know they just
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did not like that was it yeah that's a war will really spike in the Midwest I don't know it's
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hard to say yeah yeah it's always random and weird like you'll get a bunch of people from some
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random area or like an episode that we didn't think was that good does way better than others
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and it's like what is going on I don't understand so the weirdest thing happens and I have this one
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video that I look back on it's like the weirdest thing ever I believe I called it why I used
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them and that's it I turned on the camera and recorded a single take all the way through my editor
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lightly edited it's six minutes long I didn't think you'd do anything it is overall the second
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best performing or at the first best performing video of all times 6000 subscribers added to the
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YouTube channel just from that one video alone and it's like the box heart is like my green background
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with me going like that's it like that is it and somehow that's the best one like it blows my mind
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sometimes like what people pick up on and it just shows like it's so hard to predict these things
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I do think that VIM is an interesting subject I think it's like a morbid curiosity for tons of
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developers particularly on the web I know that it has been on like a list for me to like learn
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proficiency in for probably five but ten at least ten years because I can remember when I was
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at National Geographic and I a colleague broke his wrist and he all of a sudden could like
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had to one hand stuff he's like how do I figure this out he spent two days learn VIM and became like
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the fastest developer on our team and I was like wow that seems worthwhile but I'm gonna put that
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over here for now you know it's odd because this applies to all things in life right like if there's
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something that could immediately benefit you but it's hard you're like yeah I'll just do that later
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yeah yeah I ain't got time for that low hanging fruit first low hanging fruit there's definitely
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that I mean the thing is that sometimes they're not even hard like just imagine the situation in
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which you are you're not a very good typer becoming a better typer will dramatically impact a large
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part of what you do you type out emails you type out slack messages you type out code you don't
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have to think you don't have to look it just happens it's natural right like that dramatically
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improves your life yet what is it like one out of five people can actually type well even in the
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programming field right it was just kind of shocking because you're using it every day all day
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hey to me that's always one of those things I'm like huh why wouldn't you improve that one thing
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like you know it's gonna be benefit you know I understand that you spend a lot of time thinking
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but it's been a lot of time typing too yeah it's not just thinking yeah absolutely yeah I think
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like in general people that kind of use the keyboard for everything I find is like just amazing like
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I don't know how to start learning that but I watch them perform tasks and it's like that's so much
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faster because I'm like I'm just mousing around and like clicking where I want and whatever
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and I always give the example of zirac from the ember community he would like he had no like
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his keyboard was blank it was just like all black keys and he like would just type shit and just like
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you know control his whole computer with just the keyboard like he used dvorak instead of like the
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normal layout like it seems like your mind needs another level I don't know like how like there should
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be courses around that of just how to figure that all out and like do all that because it's like
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if I even tried to learn them for like a couple days I would just go back to what I'm used to
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because I'm like that's that's hard yeah at well point can you take the production hit to
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regress before you get forward kind of thing I don't know yeah I don't know I mean it would
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I don't know I don't know I don't have an answer for that as the person who doesn't use a mouse
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types and dvorak customize the keyboard layout uses a space age keyboard that makes no sense for
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those that are almost used to finish this advantage 360 boom best keyboard men in black you may
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have seen men in black and you know like all of those for time investments I remember the feeling
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learning them like I remember it it was just the worst feeling in the universe and it lasted
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for like a week but then I was like oh I think there's something here and I'm one of those people
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where you know I always beat every video game that I rented I always tried the hardest I could
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everything I did I just wanted to be the like the best at you know starcraft from like change
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and scenes trying to get like the 200 a p.m. there's like going as fast as I possibly can and so
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it's like that was a natural transition for me right because it already kind of fit this desire
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that I have whereas I don't think everybody has that desire they don't they don't want to use what
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they do the best of its ability they just want to do what they're doing because you know it just
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is not important right wasting X amount of time X amount of mental overhead X whatever you want to
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call it it's just not important right and that's fine you know this is what it is but I like the
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world where we all try to become the best we can possibly be on all angles yeah that's obsessive
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compulsive disorder hey I've got a canesis by the way I got the canesis game oh you have that one
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I have that too yeah I have wrist issues I think we talked about how I'm falling apart slowly but
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truly I have wrist issues too that's why I learned the vork is for that exact reason and maybe
560
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that's my next step I got this like mouse thingy that let you have upright oh yeah the lift
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yeah I hear that helps I just quit using the mouse I found that to be way more efficient just cut
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that all together yeah get that out of my life yes okay so what about the man behind the legend
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the man behind the videos I mean what other hobbies do you have outside of making crazy videos
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and streaming and tweeting significant amounts of uh counter culture I used to really love
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playing video games I still do love playing video games but honestly for me like the biggest
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thing that I do now or the thing that I spend all my time is just being whatever my kids want
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to do right if they're playing roblox I think roblox is stupid they haven't put an inverted mouse
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I use inverted mouse okay I've been an inverted kid since starfox because starfox for the
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super Nintendo screwing entire generation of people all of us are inverted and we didn't you know
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it's just were victims of starfox yeah I know victims of starfox is probably where it comes from
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right it's like just the worst and so we're all stuck like this and roblox is just like no we're
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not gonna add a negative one option right that's all it is just like throw a negative one in that I
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know what it is check box negative one that's that don't do it and so it's like I'm running around
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trying to figure out how to play this ninja legends jumping on these platforms that my kids can
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jump on to while like oh there's a sky there's the ground yeah okay here we go I'm recalibating
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recalibrating and all I want to do is play like fortnight or apex legends with them but instead
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I'm playing roblox and so for me my hobby now besides for twitch which is a hobby in some sense
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is just whatever the kids think is fun if they want to play soccer I'm gonna get great in
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summer if they want to play basketball I already like playing basketball I play in a city league
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I play basketball but it's not really a hobby because I don't do it for more than just game time
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hmm I'm gonna move to South Dakota so we can get on the same team I used to play a lot of soccer I
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used to play a decent amount of basketball good yeah basketball is my favorite sport by far I don't
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watch any sports ball yeah I like I you know none of it I I didn't even watch the Super Bowl who
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play in the Super Bowl I think the Eagles and the Chiefs that's correct I might be wrong like
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that's how out of touch I am with basketball or anything I made it to the halftime show to see
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that weird Rihanna performance my wife was like yeah let's watch this you didn't like it no I
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don't know it was weird it's just like kind of like a greatest hits thing but like not as good as
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they were yeah I like the like commercials I don't know I think they're kitschy and funny but yeah
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I'm not I watch a lot of soccer soccer's my thing and mostly just English soccer but I live in
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Phoenix and the sons are a good team to cheer for this year just so you know okay yeah and the
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Super Bowl was there oh yeah it was here I stayed home should have watched the whole we had a
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massive golf tournament and the Super Bowl here the same weekend and I was like not leaving the
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house oh I forgot I do play golf yeah oh sorry go on Robbie no sorry we'll come back to that but
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I was gonna say did you see that they the turf for the Super Bowl had to be wheeled out to like
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be in the elements for like an hour or two a day and then wheeled all the way back in like why wouldn't
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you just make the dome open more or like I don't think it opens that one control that with the dome
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no it opens it opens it doesn't open enough I think I don't know it's it was silly anyway golf
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so I started last year you first year ever playing golf was last year started off with no
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handicap and then my brother-in-law was like hey do you want to play the member member I joined
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a little local country club here in South Dakota right it's like two hundred bucks a month it's
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not like it is in the valley right like I'm like okay I'll join that just to be able to play golf
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and whatever that'd be fun yep it's been a lot of fun and so I'm like okay I have to get a
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handicap so I got a 44 handicap obviously not very good ended up shooting like a 36 during the
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time so you know people were very upset at me called me a sandbagger I was like hey I'm not sandbagged
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okay I'm playing I'm just playing out here it's not my fault I'm hitting the green every time
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and so golf is like I'm very excited for next season I'm gonna try to go a bunch with the kiddos
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I think it's gonna be a really fun time because I think my kids like it because I have a fun
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little game I play with him you might like this a Charles III Rob I don't know if you have any kids
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but if you do here's a good play here's a good tip yeah everyone is that what I do is I let them
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tee off and then I'll play up till the hole and then they have to throw it from the cart towards the
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hole and wherever they land they have five strokes to get it into the cup and if they get it into
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the cup they give them an M and M and so they know they're stoked yeah and it gets I mean short games
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the hardest part of golf and so it's just like here you go oh yeah just practice that hey if you
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guys want to get good at this game let's have fun and you won't even realize you accidentally just
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got better because you want to get better right like I'm giving them a reason to get better
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and making it fun plus they got a sugar high yeah which they all want how old are your kids
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nine through two oh or nine through one and a half oh through oh wow today I learned yeah I've
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got two have a lot of kids six and three yeah that's why you need some space yeah that's why I chose
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South Dakota that's reasonable no I'm kidding we had family here it was good it was during COVID right
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like right when COVID happened we left California because I mean no matter what you thought about
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COVID in March of 2020 you knew it was gonna be there for a while right like no I don't think anyone
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was like oh this will be like a week no right yeah no one shuts down the world for a week right
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like that's just not gonna happen so I was just like I can't sit in a house with three kids
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no because at that point we had three yeah in California where I don't even have a backyard like
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this is just not gonna happen like this is not gonna happen we're gonna go nuts and so our family
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already lived in South Dakota I've always grown up in a small town always love the small town
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anyways I was sick of being in a city I don't care about good weather or fantastic restaurants I
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just want space and fun and niceness and so obvious win yeah want South Dakota yeah I do care
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about fantastic restaurants so how much do you care I am in the middle of nowhere right now so we're
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like uh 30 minutes away from most fantastic restaurants right now okay outside of DC he is where
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yeah so I'm an hour from DC I'm in middleburg Virginia kind of uh nothing going on but horses
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and cattle and stuff polo matches and we're gonna be not here soon because we're too far from
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everything I'm in the best of both worlds I think so we lived in DC for seven years and we move
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back to Phoenix because family kind of like you except for like we have nine months of incredible
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weather in the summers kind of hot but get out of here or whatever else but like the same thing
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like space like very happy that we made this move we did do it two years before COVID because we
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were already like way a young son yeah no backyards we can't do any fun stuff in the city anymore
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why wouldn't we just go get a yard and and so we have like some outdoors things here to do here some
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walking and and some nice weather but so it was a little bit of both here if you get really into
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golf this is a place to visit I am gonna be there in two weeks going on a little golf thing
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nice well yeah all right I think in Scottsdale okay yeah I live down the road from there I live
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in the neighborhood basically between like where downtown Phoenix is and Scottsdale Road it's right by
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Camelback Mountain it's called Arcadia okay you have my email if you have any free time I might have
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free time I don't know I have a meeting that I really want to make happen so we'll see no worries
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I'm gonna try to break the internet with an image we'll see if it works out yeah I can't wait
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looking forward to it yeah now I have to figure out what that's gonna be yeah learn when we all
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learn oh by the way I wanted to go back to one statement you made earlier talking about like
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the gnarly back end at Netflix and one of the things being there was groovy oh yeah was that hold on
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what were you trying to do an ash impersonation yeah groovy was it good no you're I feel like
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you're not leaning into it you're too slow on the uptake but you're good on the on the back half
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okay all right so the correct octave at one point but then just all right I'll work on it
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okay yeah ash one of my favorite characters I don't know if you know that like eight years old
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washed evil dead too that is like the greatest show ever yeah and then I learned about army of
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darkness when I was like twelve years old and I was like oh my goodness this is the greatest thing
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in the universe I didn't even know there was a third part to this never watched evil dead one oh
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I don't know never I've never seen it or the remake or any of them same level of camp and then
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there was a video game at some point like on PlayStation something I did play the dreamcast dreamcast
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okay there you go I be through it is great I'm gonna emulate her for everything now forgot about
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dreamcast yeah all right so groovy so during the beginnings of Netflix somebody you know again
660
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coddling is like the worst thing in due to developers and one of the things they did was you know
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budget java script devs couldn't write Java so we're gonna give him groovy well groovy is just
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really like a just a worse form of Java that's all it is you get all you can write Java but you can
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also write horrible syntax at the same time and then somebody thought you know people love that
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rxjs business but it's not available in groovy so we're gonna write our own and somebody wrote
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their own so we had this just like just so many headaches and I did the great groovy upgrade I
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upgraded us to 2.3.6 so I had to align every backend team I had to line every front end team and
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get this thing released and it was a huge headache and there's like play stations in Brazil that
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were still not updated that were picked to these old endpoints I had to go through like 100 separate
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endpoints and patch code to make it to work because there was like 15 people still using it and
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so it's just I mean I spent weeks I think I ended up calling it I hold on I'm on my work computer
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let's see home as if I can actually find the name of this great groovy upgrade well I love to hear
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that Netflix is committed to their members we are committed the right now like especially right now
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with the whole like upgrade of not being able to use Netflix wherever you go and there's this whole
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location business and all these kind of things the thing is this you're right it's definitely a
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change it's a little bit different it is what it is but Netflix is just like a decade behind Spotify
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right all these people complaining about like I can't share an account with my wife right now on
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Spotify because it's too damn complicated at least I can share it with Netflix in her like you know
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like it works I can make it happen and so it's like is it terrible it's just inconvenient I you know
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I wish things were easier I don't know I don't like my parents that much anyway so oh sorry you can't
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use it that might fall yeah yeah inadvertently kick them off yeah I do use my dad so I'm part of
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the problem here nice all right so let's see right now I'm actually looking at some of these so it
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turns out like PlayStation 3.1 2011 2012 2012 0.2 builds we're all broken Ridley I don't even
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remember what Ridley or Vita browser was I think those might have been like maybe we you builds I
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had to go through so many things but it's called the great groovy upgrade in the sky with diamonds
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named after Beatles song I got the name it yeah so of course then I made it just the world's largest
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initialism so it's like great groovy upgrade so GGU ISWD as the people are like what is that I'm like
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oh great groovy upgrade in the sky with diamonds of course everybody knows that although you know
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that was just an acronym for LLST right we've seen this guy with diamonds it was also one of the
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first songs to have a breakdown hmm it was like an inverse breakdown rise nice and slow and then
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it went fast for the course yeah that's true yeah I wouldn't have realized that that was the first
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but definitely Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was one of the first like it was like
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one of the very first albums to really show that in a modern sense obviously we're not talking about
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classical music where people had actual talent but like daring like the rock phase where you just
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throw four instruments together yeah one being a voice like that was like a really technically hard
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thing to do back then it was really it was amazing yeah I used a lot of mixing and like we're to
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equipment tricks and stuff too so yeah it was like a really really amazing thing sorry I was a
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weird thing that I used to be into as well yeah well I'm hoping it's because you finished the
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the AK 47 of Perbin I'm almost done with it I can switch to the next one though I don't
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want to get too hammer because I still got that uh well that wife time we're at time here so we
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need to to end here soon so oh we are yeah yeah let's try the other one can we try the other one
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well the other one is just for you to have one ever we don't need to have it right now that was
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our barrel pick yeah that's a special one for you oh yeah well thank you so we yeah like a year
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ago we did a barrel pick and branded it with the podcast and got the adiana and it's just like
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one of our faves nice okay sick of more spirit right sagamore yeah oh sagamore sorry yeah there's
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no wine there you're right or see yeah I just said I'm a good reader why genuinely appreciate
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being on this I hope that this is what you guys wanted to get out of it I mean I had a fun time
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yeah yeah absolutely yeah before we end is there anything else do you want to plug or anything
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we didn't cover no okay oh yeah fair enough thanks everybody for listening if you liked it please
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