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So there's a an image. It went up on Truth
Social in September of twenty twenty six,
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the year of our Lord, from the account of
the sitting president
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of the United States, and it shows a next
generation Space Force uniform.
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Black, grey, high collar,
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and down in the corner of this thing,
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like a designer's mood board, there's a
label that says design
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inspiration. And what it credits in
writing on project.
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Purpose is quote, the discipline and
functionality of the Starship Trooper
uniform.
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Starship Troopers, the 1997 film.
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The one Paul Verhoven made after growing
up in Nazi occupied Hague,
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where his family moved in nineteen forty
three when he was five years old.
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No one where the costumes were sort of
built ~ was
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Unaware that this was Nazi propaganda
aesthetics on purpose,
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as like a joke, at the expense of exactly
this kind of guy.
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The one where Neil Patrick Harris shows up
in an SS officer's coat
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and the crew reportedly starts calling him
Doogie Himmler.
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That is the cited inspiration in the
design notes of a real proposed uniform
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for a real branch of the American military
that this same sitting president signed
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into law in twenty nineteen.
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Now here's what you want to sort of reach
for an easy explanation,
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and and I'm not gonna do that because the
easy explanation is that somebody
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in the White House social media shop got a
cute AI image,
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didn't really know the movie or whatever,
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fine, except the label is the whole
problem.
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Nobody actually writes design inspiration
and then names a movie.
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Like that's a
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Person who watched Starship troopers saw
the black uniform
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and the propaganda newsreels and the new
recruiting slogans and came away thinking,
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strong look, aspirational, let's get some.
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And that's not even the strangest part.
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The strangest part is that the Space Force
already has uniforms,
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like real ones. There's a document called
SPFI 362903,
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issued in January 2026. It's a dark blue
jacket,
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silver buttons, gray pants, mandatory
purchase for personnel transferring in.
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Two hundred to four hundred dollars out of
pocket.
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And there was a wear test. General Chance
Saltzman put on the all black mess dress
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himself at the Air Force Weapons School
graduation in Las Vegas
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on June twenty third, twenty twenty six.
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Years of Guardian feedback, an actual
process run by the actual service.
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And then a picture generated by a machine
showed up on a website and made
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all of that look optional.
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So the question I want to chase is not
whether the president understands satire.
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He doesn't. We can stipulate that from the
get go.
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The question is what happens to an
institution when its identity gets decided
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by a guy who's good at scrolling?
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And how do you end up wearing the costume
from a movie that was made to make
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fun of you?
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This is the overlap, Will. ~ I've been
waiting to talk to you about this
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one all week.
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And I've been watching Starship Troopers
on repeat,
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so which is the strangest sentence I've
said in a while,
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but I did it for you, buddy.
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Right, that's love. So here here's what's
in this episode,
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right? In September of this year,
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the president posted an AI generated Space
Force uniform that credits
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in its own design notes a movie made
specifically to mock people
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who like uniforms like that. And we're
gonna follow that all the
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way down because the paper trail on that
black uniform goes somewhere kind
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of bleak and somewhere mostly funny all at
the same time.
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And just to say it up front, the
interesting part here isn't the gaff.
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Everyone got the gaff. The gaff was in
every outlet in about six hours.
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So Adam Kinzinger, Jonah Goldberg,
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both of them Republicans of various
vintages,
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both of them dunking. ~ Derek Guy,
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the menswear guy wearing in ~ weighing in,
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sorry, wearing in. ~ that's the easy
layer.
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Right. And and the dunk is fun,
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but it's not like information.
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No, the information is that the black
uniform in that movie was not invented
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by a custom department in 1997.
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It was rather designed in 1932 by two men
who we can name here,
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Karl Diebitsch, a painter, and Walter
Heck,
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a graphic designer, who also drew the SS
double lightning bolt insignia
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in nineteen twenty nine. So, you know,
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there's his portfolio. They were doing
brand identity.
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And the company that manufactured what
they drew in Metzingen,
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Germany, was one they may have may have
heard of.
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~ by the name of Hugo Boss.
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The suits Hugo Boss
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Which by the war years was running those
factories on forced labor.
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So by the end of this, you will know the
names of the two guys who actually drew
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the thing, the president graphic in two
moves basically is copying.
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You'll know what the real Space Force
uniform costs a guardian out of pocket
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and who ordered it. You'll know w what the
June 2025 tank parade ran in its range,
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25 to 45 million, and you'll know that six
in ten American adults told AP N
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O R C they didn't want it. You'll know
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what the Department of War rename costs
and that number is the least funny thing
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in this episode.
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And you'll know one thing I haven't seen
anybody say out loud in the coverage,
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which is that this post didn't just
misread the purpose or the intent of the
movie,
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it stepped on a live, in progress,
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wear tested uniform program that the Space
Force's own chief was walking around
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Las Vegas in three months earlier.
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That's a bureaucracy that did its homework
here.
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Nobody's talking about them.
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Well nobody ever talks about them.
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So yeah, let's talk about them.
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So, of course, as as always, we start out
with the machinery first because there
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are two machines running in parallel here
that are not talking to each other.
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Machine one is the Space Force Uniform
Program.
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It's pretty boring, and and boring is the
point,
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right? You stand up a new entire branch of
the military in 2019,
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and one of the first really hard problems
is what people wear.
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Because
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A uniform is the entire visual argument
for why your service exists.
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So you run wear tests, you get feedback
from the people who have to like live
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the thing in 200 days a year, right?
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So you you iterate, and on January
thirteenth through 15th,
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2026, the Space Force actually issues
dress guidance,
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which is the SPFI 36-2903,
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which formalizes the actual service dress
uniform.
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Dark blue jacket, silver buttons,
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gray pants.
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And in case you've never had any dealings
with the military,
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~ these are mandatory purchases.
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It's not optional for you to dress like
everyone else.
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It's called a uniform for a reason.
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and anybody who transferred into that
service or started out in the space force
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was estimated to pay a two hundred to four
hundred dollar cost for that uniform.
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And that is out of pocket.
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And if you'll you'll ~ take a look at the
pay grades for modern soldiers,
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you'll know why we brought up why we
emphasize the fact that that's out of
pocket.
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But that's normal for the military.
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Don't you mean guardians? Guardi Space
Force Guardians.
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Guardians, yeah. So pardon me.
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our department of war. I didn't
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know if to if guardians worked for the
department of war,
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you know, that sounds like more of a
department of defense kind of move,
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but anyway. ~
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We'll find out.
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yeah. so but that's normal for the
military,
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right? And also worth remembering later
because we're gonna talk about a two
billion
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Mr. Joshua?
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Ba ba ba billion.
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That's right. Sign replacement project in
a minute.
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And I want those two numbers in the same
room.
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Yeah, so the rollout started in November
of twenty twenty-five.
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First two recruiters, training
instructors,
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and senior leaders and ROTC graduates.
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Optional for most guardians for now,
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there's a a senior master sergeant,
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Brandy Gonzalez, who is actually
photographed modeling it for the
announcement.
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And that's the process. It's real people,
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real fittings, real feedback loop,
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real document with a real number on it.
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In the same way that that the Army,
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the Marines, you know, the the Air Force,
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the Navy have done.
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Generation after generation with the
rollout of new uniforms.
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And fast forward to June twenty-three of
this year,
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General Chance Salzman, Chief of Space
Operations,
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as we kind of touched on a little bit,
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wears the very first wear test,
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all black mess dress at the Air Force
Weapons School graduation in Las Vegas.
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Mess dress means the formal
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Say that three times fast.
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one, right? Yeah. I was trying to get it
out once.
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I'm not even
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going for
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Ha ha.
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three. ~ but mess dress, in case you
again,
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in case you don't know, is the formal
dress,
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like it's the black tie equivalent.
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The name mess may throw you off a little
bit there,
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but it's it's dress uniform. So the
service is at that very moment actively
testing
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a black formal uniform through its own
channels with its own people on the
record.
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Which is important because it means that
the fact that it was black really wasn't
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the whole scandal of this thing.
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Right. This is not about the the shock
troopers or whatever,
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you know, is showing up in black and
looking scary.
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~ it's that black mass dress is not
unusual.
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Roughly half of the world's militaries
wear black in the evening.
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The Navy's dinner dress is functionally
black.
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I mean most people not most people,
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but many people can't tell the difference
between Navy the US Navy dressed uniform,
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color navy and black. But this is not
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If you're colorblind.
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a case of someone it right, ~ or to
varying degrees.
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But this is not a case of someone
inventing a a sinister color.
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That's more than that.
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Yeah, so the the the machine one is is
running fine.
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It's slow, it's expensive, it's a little
dorky,
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but it's functional, right? Like it's the
government doing the thing government
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is supposed to be doing, which is grinding
through a design problem with committees
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and a waterfall process until you get
something that fits.
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Machine two is just a guy with a phone.
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Nowhere test here.
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No. no fitting, no guardian feedback,
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no document number. Machine two generates
an image with AI and posts it,
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and the image depicts a black and gray
design that this service had not
announced.
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It does not have it in its program,
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in the pipeline, and as far as anybody can
tell,
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nobody's ever seen it before that morning
in a true social post.
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Well, to be fair, you know, they have if
they've seen Starship
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To be fair.
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Troopers if they've seen Starship
Troopers,
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they've seen the uniform roughly.
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~ but you know, and also to be fair,
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it does say incorporates the functionality
of the Starship Troopers uniform,
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which is hilarious to me because I never
saw anything in that movie about
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functionality, right? When Patrick
Neopatrick Harris shows up in the black
uniform,
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nobody says, Wow, that's really
functional.
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I should get me one of those. but anyway.
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We talk about those details a little later
actually.
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Yeah.
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So let's be pedantic about why this
matters institutionally,
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because this is the part that gets lost
when the story becomes a joke about a
movie.
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there's a chain of authority for what an
American service member wears,
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right? It runs through the service chief,
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through the dress and appearance boards,
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through the guidance documents.
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Saltzman owns all of that. It's one of the
few genuine prerogatives
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a service chief has.
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And it was overruled by a retweet,
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like a an executive tweet, if you will.
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Yes, and nobody in the chain can say
anything about it because
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the person who ordered it happens to be
the commander in chief.
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So you get this silence where the
institution just sort of stands there
like,
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okay, what do I do now?
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So let's talk about this image itself,
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because the design inspiration label is
doing something specific here.
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That's not the language of a military
procurement document,
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right? That's the language of a pitch
deck.
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It's a PowerPoint slide, somebody made
like a mood board.
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Board for National Armed Service.
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The thing about a mood board though is
that it tells you what the maker thought
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was cool. That's like the whole purpose.
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So when a mood board says the discipline
and functionality of the star trip stip
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starship trooper uniform, we now know
something true about the person
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who created it. They watched that movie
and the key takeaway
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was discipline and functionality.
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Which is, I want to note, not what that
uniform does in the film.
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As we talked about, the uniform of the
film is not functional.
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Nobody in Starship Troopers is protected
by what they're wearing.
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It's a running visual gag. They send
teenagers in the movie against giant
insects
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in what amounts to a safety vest and a
helmet,
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and the bugs go through them like tissue
paper.
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Bearhoven is making fun of you for
thinking the outfit is armored.
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And the outfit is not armor. It's
recruitment,
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right? Like the their their logo,
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their motto in this is service guarantees
citizenship.
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That is the propaganda that they're
spewing out on television and newspapers,
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right? It looks badass two thousand on a
recruitment poster.
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Correct. And the actual armor,
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when you go back to the Source novel here,
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which is a Heinlein novel from nineteen
fifty nine,
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their actual armor in the the novel is a
exoskeleton suit like a big mech,
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like from Alien or something. mobile
infantry.
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Like actually cool.
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Yeah, actually cool. ~ although I didn't
have to visualize this,
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so that helps a little bit when you're in
nineteen fifty nine.
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But also being that much closer to World
War Two,
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I think everybody knew what his
inspiration would be drawing from if
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he had drawn those. Anyway.
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~ Verhoeven deliberately so well in
addition to the exoskeleton suits they've
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got mobile infantry, jump jets,
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all the latest tech. Verhoeven
deliberately took the cool suits out.
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he read the book and decided the politics
were ruled by military elite,
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dressed up as adventure, and made a movie
where the soldiers wear stylish
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but non functional play clothes and then
get shredded on the battlefield.
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So the design inspiration credit is citing
the least functional uniform
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in science fiction for its actual
functionality.
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Deliberately non functional, yes.
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So that's that's pretty damn funny.
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I and I wanna give that its moment.
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Take a moment.
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So so here's here's the the the mechanism
question,
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right? Does this image actually become a
uniform?
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Because there's a version of it where it's
a a Tuesday,
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right? It's content and it evaporates by
Friday.
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The Gish Gallop, like last week's episode
about flooding the field
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and and filling it with bullshit.
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There's a version where somebody at the
Pentagon reads it as an executive order,
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though.
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And based on our last eighteen months of
experience,
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which version would you bet on?
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So that's the thing. Look at the pattern
of how decision has moved
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in this administration. June 14th,
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2025, a military parade in Washington for
the Army's 250th anniversary,
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which just so happens to fall on the
president's 79th birthday.
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Right? Roughly 6,600 soldiers,
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24 M1 Abrams tanks rolling down
Constitution Avenue.
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And six and ten adults in the AP North
Pole,
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~ opposing it.
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Right. So which for you math nerds is a
sixty percent disapproval rating.
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And it happened anyway. And it cost
somewhere somewhere between twenty five
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and forty five million dollars,
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which I think is a purposeful range so
wide that it actually tells
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you nobody was counting the beans in the
bean counter area.
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Are there beam counters left in the
administration?
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~
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they're counting something.
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Well the tanks needed metal plates on the
road,
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by the way, because Abram's tanks are not
meant to drive on on asphalt.
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Surprise, surprise. ~ and they'll tear it
up.
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So I'm sure that's a real line item
somewhere.
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There's still a line item because
apparently it had to
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be repaired afterwards because of how much
it had been torn up.
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So then, fast forward a little to
september fifth,
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twenty twenty five, executive order
renaming the Department of Defense
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to the Department of War. And Pentagon
workers started pulling the sign lettering
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on the exact same day.
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Somebody probably advised them ahead of
time,
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I'm imagining. They didn't just show up to
work and say,
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I think I'll take down the defense part of
the Department of Defense.
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Sign. But that tells you the sequencing,
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right? The order is signed and the
maintenance crew is on a ladder with
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a pry bar before anybody's done any
costing analysis on it.
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So whatever whatever the
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And the cost
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Office of Congressional Budget or
Congressional Budget Office does.
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No, never mind. Go ahead. Yeah.
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They don't CBO doesn't do anything
anymore.
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It
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just it signs the checks. The cost
estimates
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Right.
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actually for that that whole name change,
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by the way, are have run from about ten
million to two bi billion,
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depending on whether you're reading
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Talk about a range.
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the the Congressional Budget Office or you
know the National Broadcasting Service.
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That is not an estimate range.
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That is a 200 200x spread. That is two
different organizations answering
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two different questions and nobody in the
middle reconciling them.
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Because the $10 million is signage and
letterhead and the two billion
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is every contract, every legal instrument,
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every treaty reference, every uniform
patch,
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every email domain, every piece of
software with a hard-coded department name
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on it across an organization with roughly
three million people attached to it.
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And that's again the mechanism.
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That's the whole flabby, coughing,
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smog generating engine in one gesture.
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A decision gets made as an aesthetic,
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announced like a spectacle, and then the
institution just eats the cost
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of making that brand change real.
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Nobody prices it out first, because
putting a price tag on it would kind
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of spoil the moment.
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And the Space Force uniform graphic is
then the same motion at a smaller scale.
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Someone made an image. If it becomes
policy,
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the Space Force absorbs a redesign it
didn't ask for,
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on top of the one it just finished.
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If it doesn't become policy, then the
president of the US publicly overwrote
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his own service chief for content,
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and everyone agrees to pretend that it
didn't happen.
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Now both possible outcomes actually cost
us.
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One costs money and one costs the idea
that the chain
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of command actually means anything.
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So who's holding the bag on this one?
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Let's do the people. And I want to start
with the guy who has
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the strangest position in the whole story,
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which is Paul Verhoven.
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The most vindicated man in Hollywood right
now.
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The most vindicated and possibly the least
happy about it.
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Here's his situation. 1943,
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he's five years old. His family moves to
The Hague,
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which is under Nazi occupation.
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He has said directly that this is the
biographical source of the fascist imagery
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in his films. Not an influence.
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The source. He grew up watching German
soldiers in the street,
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and then he became a filmmaker whose
recurring subject is how appealing that
looks
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from the outside.
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And he creates starship troopers as a
trap.
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He builds it as a trap, technically,
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sure. He casts it like a Lenny Raf
Riefenstahl film.
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Beautiful blonde people, symmetrical,
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glowing, Casper Van Deen at his peak.
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Denise Richards, Dina Meyer,
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Patrick Muldoon. He shoots the propaganda
news reels in a Riefenstahl grammar.
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Puts Nil Patrick Harris in a coat so close
to an SS officer's uniform that
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the crew starts calling him Doogie
Himmler.
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On set. You can actually look that up on
IMDb.
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Hm. Monset.
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Yeah. The casting crew, they got the joke.
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The critics unfortunately did not.
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So in 1997, the film comes out,
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and Janet Maslin in the New York Times and
Roger Ebert both essentially read
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it as the thing it was mocking.
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Ebert, who I I love or respect the guy as
a critic,
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was as good a reader of film as any
America's produced,
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took it as an empty brutal spectacle.
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And Verhoeven's line about the whole
thing,
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which is the most devastating six words in
this episode,
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is no one saw it at the time.
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And the truth is it it underperformed with
adult audiences and it cleaned
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up with teenage boys, becoming somewhat of
a cult classic.
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I can't imagine why, but what which is the
joke inside the joke?
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The satire of military recruitment
propaganda became successful military
recruitment
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recruitment propaganda for fifteen year
olds.
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It played straight to the exact
demographic it was warning about.
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So I actually I I saw this movie when I
was thirteen,
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right? In nineteen ninety-seven I was
thirteen years old and I thought
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the uniforms were cool. I did.
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~ I I mean, I was not doing ~ like a
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The whole movie was cool.
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it was. I was not doing like a critical
reading of Riefenstahl,
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right? I was watching Neil Patrick Harris
look sharp and thinking,
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damn. But even then I thought it was
funny.
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Everyone did.
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Everyone who got it. And that's Verhoven's
point,
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right? And it took me a long time to
realize this as an adult.
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So I want to hold a little grace for the
13-year-olds like me who missed it,
402
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like little baby Gerbil, Stephen Miller,
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or the 51-year-old like Donald Trump,
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who even then didn't have enough hair to
catch the joke going right over
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the top of his head.
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So I wanna hold zero grace, however,
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for the White House communications office
in twenty twenty six.
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Boy, if there was ever a more a worse
misnomer.
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Because the difference is in the label.
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A teenager thinks that looking that the
code looks cool is the mechanism working
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as designed. The mechanism is supposed to
catch you.
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Writing design inspiration on a slide and
sending it out from the office
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of the president is not getting caught.
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That's endorsing it in writing after
twenty-nine years of people explaining
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the joke.
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Gross. Nineteen ninety seven was almost
thirty years ago.
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Blah. Twenty
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Yeah.
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nine years of of think pieces.
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There is a cottage industry.
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There are dissertations. You can get a
degree in this now.
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And so Verhoeven's outcome in september
twenty twenty six is that
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a sitting American president promoted a
uniform whose own design notes,
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sorry, his own design notes cite the anti
fascist parody costume he built
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to warn people. That's the outcome.
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He set a trap twenty nine years ago and
the president of the US walked into
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it holding a mood board.
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Okay, so who else's back is this actually
falling on?
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Because Verhoeven is fine. Verhoven's
right,
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he's got like a a cool story to tell at
parties now.
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But who actually pays for this gap?
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Well, it seems like Chance Saltzman pays
pretty directly.
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Like this is where it gets less funny.
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Saltzman is chief of space operations.
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He oversaw a multi year uniform program
built on guardian wear test feedback,
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which means this is what the people who
are actually going to be wearing
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the uniform say about it. it's the correct
way to do it,
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right? He personally wore the black mess
dress in june twenty twenty
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six at graduation in public as part of
formal wear testing.
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He did his job the way his job is designed
to be done.
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Right. And then three months later,
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an AI slot picture makes the whole thing
just look like a suggestion.
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And Saltzman can't say anything.
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That's the cost. Not money. He can't hold
a press conference and
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say the president has no role in this.
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He can't correct the record because the
record belongs to his boss.
447
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So the cost to Saltzman is the difference
between having authority
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and having the appearance of authority,
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and that is a cost paid in silence.
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Which is why nobody's covering it.
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Except us.
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There's
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right, today. There's there's
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Mm-hmm.
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someone else here too, so David Madsen,
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apparently a design lead connected to the
mess dress work.
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Right, and that's a person whose actual
craft is being compared unfavorably
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and in public to an image an LLM made in
four seconds for three gallons of water.
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If you've ever done skilled work and had
it overruled by somebody something
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a boss saw and liked, you know that
specific feeling.
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Multiply it by the entire US military and
put it on the news.
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Then there's also Master Sergeant Brandy
Gonzalez,
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who stood there and modeled the real one
in photographs in a magazine.
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Like
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For the
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November 2025 rollout. Caution here
because I don't know what she thinks about
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any of this, and the article doesn't cover
a sourced quote.
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00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:57,514
What I can say is that she's the human
face of the uniform that exists,
469
00:23:57,514 --> 00:24:00,176
and there's now a competing uniform that
doesn't exist,
470
00:24:00,176 --> 00:24:01,998
promoted from a higher altitude,
471
00:24:01,998 --> 00:24:03,019
which she has nothing to do with.
472
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,191
And modeled by a man on the mood board.
473
00:24:06,191 --> 00:24:07,612
And then
474
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:08,510
Course.
475
00:24:07,969 --> 00:24:10,714
the actual Space Force Guardians,
476
00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:16,387
the rank and file. Who are the actual ones
with a mandatory purchase requirement
477
00:24:16,387 --> 00:24:19,689
of two hundred to four hundred dollars if
they're transferring into
478
00:24:19,689 --> 00:24:22,061
the Space Force from another armed
service?
479
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,911
Right, and that's where the line in the
sand is drawn for the money.
480
00:24:24,911 --> 00:24:27,933
I mean the people at the bottom of this
pay in cash for their clothes.
481
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,044
That's how it works. That's how it's
always worked.
482
00:24:30,044 --> 00:24:32,395
There's a uniform allowance and it doesn't
always cover it and
483
00:24:32,395 --> 00:24:36,437
you eat the difference. So when the
aesthetic changes from the top on a whim
with
484
00:24:36,437 --> 00:24:39,978
no process, the question every enlisted
person in America immediately asks
485
00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:41,219
is Am I buying this twice?
486
00:24:41,719 --> 00:24:43,318
Do I own two coats now?
487
00:24:44,604 --> 00:24:47,206
Well to date nobody has answered that
because there's nothing to answer.
488
00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,811
There's no program. There's an AI slot
post.
489
00:24:51,311 --> 00:24:54,964
So circling back though, ~ we brought up
Hugo Boss in the intro,
490
00:24:54,964 --> 00:24:56,971
so we should probably finish that part of
it out.
491
00:24:57,942 --> 00:24:58,942
Go for it.
492
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:02,442
1929, Walter Heck, graphic designer.
493
00:25:02,442 --> 00:25:06,784
He draws the SS double ~ sea Gruna,
494
00:25:06,784 --> 00:25:08,665
the two lightning boats we talked about
earlier.
495
00:25:08,665 --> 00:25:11,527
I'm sure you've seen it tattooed on Pete
Heggseth's body somewhere.
496
00:25:11,527 --> 00:25:15,709
1932, Heck and Carl Diebitsch.
497
00:25:15,709 --> 00:25:19,091
Diebitsch, that's the best way I can spell
it.
498
00:25:19,091 --> 00:25:22,372
D-I-E-B-I-T-S-C-H.
499
00:25:22,372 --> 00:25:28,616
He's a painter, right? ~ he becomes an SS
Oba Fjora co-design.
500
00:25:29,523 --> 00:25:33,426
And i the all-black SS uniform is
co-designed by him.
501
00:25:33,426 --> 00:25:37,240
So two professional clothing designers,
502
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,243
not like the kind that Tim Gunn would be
like designers,
503
00:25:40,243 --> 00:25:45,417
designers, doing a branding exercise for
the actual Nazis.
504
00:25:45,417 --> 00:25:50,271
And the manufacturing goes to Hugo Boss's
company in Metzingen,
505
00:25:50,271 --> 00:25:55,216
which is also produced SA uniforms and
Hitler youth uniforms and
506
00:25:55,642 --> 00:25:59,733
During the war ran both of those factories
essentially on slave labor.
507
00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:01,704
There's a portfolio nobody wants.
508
00:26:01,704 --> 00:26:05,808
So the actual human cost at the bottom of
this aesthetic lineage,
509
00:26:05,808 --> 00:26:09,711
the very first time, was people
conscripted into sewing rooms to produce
510
00:26:09,711 --> 00:26:12,974
the clothes that made the men who conscrip
conscripted them to look magnificent,
511
00:26:12,974 --> 00:26:17,618
right? So you're making your captors look
better by sewing them fancy new clothes.
512
00:26:17,986 --> 00:26:20,752
Right. And that's that's the thing about a
product design,
513
00:26:20,752 --> 00:26:22,305
right? Like somebody has to make it.
514
00:26:22,305 --> 00:26:26,013
Somebody sits at a sewing machine or sits
at a plate factory or whatever
515
00:26:26,013 --> 00:26:29,240
and like they have to produce these shitty
goods.
516
00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:33,572
And Debich's other job, which also was
also very deranged,
517
00:26:33,572 --> 00:26:36,574
was running the SS Porcelain Works at
Alec.
518
00:26:36,574 --> 00:26:39,396
He designed dinnerware. Same guy,
519
00:26:39,396 --> 00:26:43,128
same eye, same project. Make this
beautiful so people want to be near it.
520
00:26:43,628 --> 00:26:46,809
So the chain is Heck and Debitch in
nineteen thirty two,
521
00:26:46,809 --> 00:26:50,611
manufactured by Hugo Boss on slave labor,
522
00:26:50,611 --> 00:26:54,672
absorbed into film iconography for fifty
years,
523
00:26:54,672 --> 00:26:59,464
weaponized as satire by a man who watched
the originals march past his house
524
00:26:59,464 --> 00:27:00,965
as a child in nineteen forty three,
525
00:27:00,965 --> 00:27:05,567
and then in September twenty twenty six
pulled off the shelf by
526
00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:10,439
an AI image generator and captioned with
discipline and functionality.
527
00:27:10,939 --> 00:27:11,939
Four steps.
528
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:15,052
Four steps and one of them is a joke,
529
00:27:15,052 --> 00:27:17,894
and everybody somehow skipped the joke.
530
00:27:18,394 --> 00:27:21,889
Alright, so I think there are three things
in this story that don't hold up,
531
00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:24,282
and one of them is is ours.
532
00:27:24,782 --> 00:27:25,782
Start with ours.
533
00:27:26,139 --> 00:27:29,500
So ours is going to be the the word
fascist,
534
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:34,051
right? We all have heard it as a
descriptor about this administration,
535
00:27:34,051 --> 00:27:35,951
these this president, all of these elected
leaders,
536
00:27:35,951 --> 00:27:38,762
but this uniform specifically.
537
00:27:38,762 --> 00:27:44,303
And I want to be careful because a black
uniform is not a political ideology.
538
00:27:44,303 --> 00:27:47,124
The salon headline said the uniforms,
539
00:27:47,124 --> 00:27:49,305
quote, scream fascist supervillain,
540
00:27:49,305 --> 00:27:50,825
which is fine. I mean it's funny.
541
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:54,081
And it's super accurate as like vibe
criticism.
542
00:27:54,081 --> 00:27:56,382
But a coat is just a coat, right?
543
00:27:56,382 --> 00:28:00,994
Italy's ~ carabinieri, they look
incredible if you've checked out their
uniforms,
544
00:28:00,994 --> 00:28:03,766
and and Italy is a parliamentary
democracy.
545
00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:07,308
So if our claim is that the aesthetic is
the danger,
546
00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:09,319
then our claim is pretty weak,
547
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,744
and somebody smarter than us will pull it
apart in about 30 seconds.
548
00:28:12,244 --> 00:28:14,195
I mostly agree, and here's how I see it.
549
00:28:14,195 --> 00:28:16,235
The uniform isn't the offense.
550
00:28:16,235 --> 00:28:20,086
The uniform is diagnostic. The question a
uniform answers,
551
00:28:20,086 --> 00:28:22,677
which is what does this institution want
you to feel when you see us?
552
00:28:22,677 --> 00:28:26,498
And Debitch and Heck had a very specific
answer in nineteen thirty two,
553
00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:29,279
which is they wanted to mess their pants.
554
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,720
Fear plus envy in the same glance.
555
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,881
The combination is the design brief,
556
00:28:33,881 --> 00:28:35,091
and that's what the black was for.
557
00:28:36,086 --> 00:28:42,017
Right. Fear plus envy. Like mean girls
without the glitz and the glamour
558
00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:43,017
and the makeup.
559
00:28:43,058 --> 00:28:45,654
Well every day we wear black. Right?
560
00:28:45,654 --> 00:28:48,059
Get it? 'Cause on Penn Wednesdays they
wear pink.
561
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:48,535
Hmm. Took me a second, I was like,
562
00:28:48,535 --> 00:28:49,535
what kind of accent is that?
563
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,362
Alright. You want the population?
564
00:28:52,204 --> 00:28:53,514
They all want me to wear
565
00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:54,763
the black clothings.
566
00:28:55,674 --> 00:28:59,095
On every day. Alright, you want the you
want the population
567
00:28:57,801 --> 00:28:58,801
Alright, enough of that.
568
00:28:59,095 --> 00:29:02,266
frightened of you. Yeah, let's ~ Yeah.
569
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:06,068
you want the population frightened of you
and simultaneously wishing they were you.
570
00:29:06,068 --> 00:29:07,829
That's what makes it work as recruitment,
571
00:29:07,829 --> 00:29:12,400
right? 'Cause Verhoven understood that so
precisely that he reproduced
572
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,922
the whole apparatus. And twenty nine years
of teenage boys wanting
573
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:17,102
the code proves he nailed it.
574
00:29:17,602 --> 00:29:20,191
So the graphic kind of just tells us the
vibe.
575
00:29:20,691 --> 00:29:23,696
Well, somebody in that building wants the
American military to produce fear plus
576
00:29:23,696 --> 00:29:25,800
envy. Somebody in that building.
577
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,812
And
578
00:29:26,391 --> 00:29:27,391
Mm-hmm.
579
00:29:26,812 --> 00:29:30,018
reached for the most efficient known
template for it and cited their source,
580
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,300
which is unusually helpful of them.
581
00:29:31,831 --> 00:29:34,035
Sure, but they forgot the peer review.
582
00:29:34,035 --> 00:29:37,081
Anyway, second thing that doesn't add up,
583
00:29:37,081 --> 00:29:40,287
the stated justification, discipline,
584
00:29:40,287 --> 00:29:42,481
and functionality.
585
00:29:42,981 --> 00:29:45,703
Which we've established is false at least
on the functionality part.
586
00:29:45,703 --> 00:29:48,174
So fifty percent that's an F, right?
587
00:29:49,061 --> 00:29:50,402
And the American grading system.
588
00:29:50,402 --> 00:29:54,464
But I hear the the Asian grading system is
a lot harder.
589
00:29:54,464 --> 00:30:00,317
So let's ask what would have to be true
for that sentence to make sense,
590
00:30:00,317 --> 00:30:05,050
right? You'd need the Starship Troopers
uniform to be a functional garment.
591
00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:09,413
It isn't. It never was. It's a costume
built to look good on camera
592
00:30:09,413 --> 00:30:12,534
and fail on screen while the cameras are
rolling.
593
00:30:12,534 --> 00:30:15,356
You need this movie to be.
594
00:30:15,592 --> 00:30:19,215
presenting that military as disciplined in
a way that you'd admire.
595
00:30:19,215 --> 00:30:24,859
But it presents them as disciplined the
way like a cult is disciplined,
596
00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:29,783
which is the point of the scene where they
all cheer while a guy gets executed
597
00:30:29,783 --> 00:30:31,084
on live reality television.
598
00:30:31,584 --> 00:30:35,097
And there's a recruitment ad in the film
that ends with children stomping insects
599
00:30:35,097 --> 00:30:37,356
while an adult says, Everyone's doing
their part,
600
00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:38,356
are you?
601
00:30:38,257 --> 00:30:41,211
So for discipline and functionality to be
an honest take,
602
00:30:41,211 --> 00:30:44,856
you'd have to actually have watched the
movie with the sound off.
603
00:30:44,856 --> 00:30:49,273
Which and I say this with sincerity is my
leading theory.
604
00:30:49,773 --> 00:30:51,523
My theory is that nobody watched it at
all.
605
00:30:51,523 --> 00:30:53,193
My theory is that somebody typed a prompt.
606
00:30:53,693 --> 00:30:55,945
Well, mm, what do you mean by that?
607
00:30:55,945 --> 00:30:56,945
Like, spell it out.
608
00:30:57,229 --> 00:31:00,241
Here's what I think happened, and I want
to flag clearly that this is inference,
609
00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:02,822
not documented. It's an AI slot,
610
00:31:02,822 --> 00:31:05,524
so the process was somebody wanted a cool
future uniform.
611
00:31:05,524 --> 00:31:08,145
They typed a description into an image
model,
612
00:31:08,145 --> 00:31:11,097
and the fastest way to get a cool future
uniform out of an image model is
613
00:31:11,097 --> 00:31:14,479
to name a movie. You write in the style of
Starship Troopers,
614
00:31:14,479 --> 00:31:17,131
because the model has seen 10,000 stills
from it.
615
00:31:17,131 --> 00:31:20,553
Then the model returns something and
someone builds a slide around it,
616
00:31:20,553 --> 00:31:24,605
and the design inspiration line is just
the prompt cleaned up and given a font.
617
00:31:25,105 --> 00:31:28,372
Yeah, that's worse, but not I I mean,
618
00:31:28,372 --> 00:31:33,024
not far off from where I think the average
AI user is right now in terms
619
00:31:33,024 --> 00:31:35,299
of prompt mechanics and prompt
engineering.
620
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,023
Right, but for the administration it's
much worse because it means nobody vibe
621
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:40,935
checked it at all. There was no meeting,
622
00:31:40,935 --> 00:31:42,857
nobody said we want fear plus envy.
623
00:31:42,857 --> 00:31:45,851
Somebody wanted a picture, the picture
needed a reference and
624
00:31:45,851 --> 00:31:48,734
the reference was whatever the closest to
hand was closest to hand
625
00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:49,734
in the model's memory.
626
00:31:50,025 --> 00:31:53,461
Yeah, I guess ~ what's closest to hand
when the request is make
627
00:31:53,522 --> 00:31:55,846
the space soldiers look scary,
628
00:31:55,846 --> 00:32:00,354
right, is ninety years of imagery
descended from two guys who just
629
00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:02,899
so happened to work for the Nazis in
nineteen thirty two.
630
00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:06,953
Right, that's the mechanism. The model
isn't being fascist,
631
00:32:06,953 --> 00:32:10,497
the model's being average. It's giving you
the statistical center
632
00:32:10,497 --> 00:32:14,011
of imposing military uniform as rendered
across everything humans have ever
633
00:32:14,011 --> 00:32:18,827
put on film, and the statistical center of
that data set is downstream
634
00:32:18,827 --> 00:32:22,001
of Heck and Debitch because they were
extraordinarily good at their jobs,
635
00:32:22,001 --> 00:32:23,943
and everyone's been copying them since.
636
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,798
So the danger isn't that a machine has
politics.
637
00:32:28,298 --> 00:32:31,279
Not in this case. In fact, in this case
the dis the danger is that
638
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,842
it doesn't have politics. It has an
average,
639
00:32:33,842 --> 00:32:35,343
and the average is contaminated.
640
00:32:35,343 --> 00:32:37,184
If you use it without knowing anything,
641
00:32:37,184 --> 00:32:39,176
you inherit the contamination and put it
on a slide.
642
00:32:39,676 --> 00:32:43,387
Yeah, I think I'll go f one further and
say that the part that actually concerns
643
00:32:43,387 --> 00:32:47,318
me about how this stuff is is sort of
getting used in government,
644
00:32:47,318 --> 00:32:52,460
and it's not really the whole like people
usually worry about kind of thing.
645
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:55,180
Everyone's braced for AI to make something
up.
646
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,381
Fine, right? Like that's that's
manageable.
647
00:32:57,381 --> 00:33:00,822
You check it, you c we call it guardrails
or or grounding,
648
00:33:00,822 --> 00:33:03,563
right, in the in the computer tech space.
649
00:33:03,563 --> 00:33:08,304
But what I don't actually see anyone
braced for is the AI giving you the most
650
00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:12,647
conventional possible answer, like
literally statistically,
651
00:33:12,647 --> 00:33:19,113
visually average. Just as like a fresh
idea and and nobody in the room having
enough
652
00:33:19,113 --> 00:33:22,516
history to recognize where that
statistical average came from.
653
00:33:23,016 --> 00:33:24,016
Because it looks new.
654
00:33:24,388 --> 00:33:25,970
Well the timestamp is new, right?
655
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:27,803
Because it was generated four seconds ago.
656
00:33:27,803 --> 00:33:30,166
But it's a ninety four year old design.
657
00:33:30,666 --> 00:33:33,938
And it arrives with a con a confidence
that a human designer wouldn't have,
658
00:33:33,938 --> 00:33:36,239
right? Nobody would put this out there as
their work and be proud of it.
659
00:33:36,239 --> 00:33:40,762
A human costume designer in nineteen
ninety seven knew exactly what he was
quoting.
660
00:33:40,762 --> 00:33:43,604
That was the job. The model doesn't know
it's quoting.
661
00:33:44,104 --> 00:33:48,001
Yeah. Third thing that doesn't add up and
this one's just a straight missing number.
662
00:33:48,001 --> 00:33:50,746
Like what does this actually cost us in
the long run?
663
00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,246
No idea.
664
00:33:52,289 --> 00:33:57,262
Well, you have no idea yet. But that's not
an oversight.
665
00:33:57,262 --> 00:33:59,834
I mean, that's just the way Republicans
have worked for years.
666
00:33:59,834 --> 00:34:03,176
Look at the pattern of the numbers we
already have,
667
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:05,818
right? The parade twenty five to forty
five million.
668
00:34:05,818 --> 00:34:08,860
That's a twenty million dollar uncertainty
band,
669
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:11,432
right? For an event that already happened.
670
00:34:11,432 --> 00:34:12,873
It's not like we can unspend it,
671
00:34:12,873 --> 00:34:17,466
right? We renamed the Department of War
ten million to two billion dollars.
672
00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:21,609
Those are I don't know, ~ with dollar
signs attached.
673
00:34:21,761 --> 00:34:27,717
Just like the Lake Ontario to Lake America
and and Gulf of Mexico
674
00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:31,681
to Gulf of America and now apparently New
Mexico to New America.
675
00:34:31,681 --> 00:34:37,076
I it's so it's so mind boggling if we're
being honest.
676
00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:38,076
But
677
00:34:37,213 --> 00:34:38,213
And
678
00:34:38,105 --> 00:34:39,816
yeah. And in each of these
679
00:34:39,178 --> 00:34:40,178
No, it's fine.
680
00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:42,511
cases the announcement the announcement
comes before the accounting
681
00:34:42,511 --> 00:34:44,875
by a wide margin. September fifth,
682
00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,558
twenty twenty five, order signed,
683
00:34:46,558 --> 00:34:49,223
letters coming off the resolute desk that
afternoon.
684
00:34:49,723 --> 00:34:51,616
So when a uniform pick, right,
685
00:34:51,616 --> 00:34:53,599
goes up with no program, no wear test,
686
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,104
no number, the only honest look at this is
that the number is going
687
00:34:57,104 --> 00:35:00,198
to be produced later by whoever gets stuck
putting it into place.
688
00:35:00,198 --> 00:35:04,925
And the range will be embarrassing for all
of us because we pay those with
689
00:35:04,925 --> 00:35:05,925
our tax dollars.
690
00:35:06,176 --> 00:35:07,847
And here's what none of us know at this
point.
691
00:35:07,847 --> 00:35:09,827
nobody outside the administration knows.
692
00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:11,368
We don't know if this becomes real.
693
00:35:11,368 --> 00:35:14,049
We don't know whether there's a follow-up
memo.
694
00:35:14,049 --> 00:35:15,759
The research we did didn't have one.
695
00:35:15,759 --> 00:35:19,021
~ it's possible that this is a post that
dies as a post,
696
00:35:19,021 --> 00:35:23,212
right? In six months the SPFI thirty six
dash two nine three uniform
697
00:35:23,652 --> 00:35:25,843
is the only uniform in the graphic is a
trivia answer.
698
00:35:26,343 --> 00:35:29,607
think I'd rather it be the inscription on
the tombstone of this administration.
699
00:35:29,607 --> 00:35:30,607
How about you?
700
00:35:30,499 --> 00:35:33,968
I'd take that outcome. But I'd note that
we survived because the decision
701
00:35:33,968 --> 00:35:36,856
was too dumb to implement. It's not a
governing structure anyone should
702
00:35:36,856 --> 00:35:38,049
be comfortable relying on.
703
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:41,974
Haha I would agree with that. So here's
what I think this is really about,
704
00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:47,502
and I think the movie stuff is both a gift
and I think the movie stuff
705
00:35:47,502 --> 00:35:48,964
is also a distraction at the same.
706
00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:52,221
In the familiar words of our former pr
press secretary,
707
00:35:52,221 --> 00:35:53,986
both things can be true at the same time.
708
00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:57,101
Right. A uniform is a promise,
709
00:35:57,101 --> 00:36:00,122
right? It's it's the ethical content of
it.
710
00:36:00,122 --> 00:36:02,242
When you put a person in a uniform,
711
00:36:02,242 --> 00:36:05,003
the institution is saying two things at
one time.
712
00:36:05,003 --> 00:36:07,804
This person acts on our authority,
713
00:36:07,804 --> 00:36:10,585
and this person is accountable to us,
714
00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:16,397
which is a claim of both legitimacy and a
claim of restraint
715
00:36:16,397 --> 00:36:19,488
in the same exact uniform. That's why
716
00:36:20,068 --> 00:36:24,784
An unmarked goon with tactical gear
covering his face with a with a sock
puppet
717
00:36:25,386 --> 00:36:31,013
and no name on his his badge or his
uniform is really scary.
718
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:34,468
So much more so than a police officer in a
uniform with a name and
719
00:36:34,468 --> 00:36:36,631
a badge number and a business card that
they can actually hand you.
720
00:36:37,131 --> 00:36:41,318
And this one tells you that the
consequences belong to a mood board.
721
00:36:42,311 --> 00:36:45,974
Right. Because the space uniform that does
exist,
722
00:36:45,974 --> 00:36:47,905
that the SPF thirty six twenty nine three,
723
00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:49,876
I think we should we should come up with
an easier name for it.
724
00:36:49,876 --> 00:36:51,808
That's just it's SPFI
725
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Mm-hmm.
726
00:36:51,808 --> 00:36:53,639
thirty six dash two nine zero three.
727
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:58,072
But that's how I mean that's how not far
along they were in
728
00:36:58,072 --> 00:36:59,433
the uniform selection process.
729
00:36:59,433 --> 00:37:01,194
It just still has a classification number,
730
00:37:01,194 --> 00:37:05,507
right? But it was a promise made by an
institution.
731
00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:08,609
And it came out of a process with names on
it.
732
00:37:08,609 --> 00:37:10,831
Saltzman signed off and and Guardians have
733
00:37:10,921 --> 00:37:15,695
Tested this so far, Brandy Gonzalez stood
there and modeled it in November of 2025.
734
00:37:15,695 --> 00:37:18,237
That is boring, but it's legitimate,
735
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:22,140
right? And it's also accountable to us as
the people who are paying
736
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:24,742
for these uniforms and paying for these
armed services.
737
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:29,245
The graphic itself is a promise made by
nobody,
738
00:37:29,245 --> 00:37:31,427
right? There's no signature, there's no
board,
739
00:37:31,427 --> 00:37:36,591
there's no process. And the design credit
really goes to just kind of a funny movie.
740
00:37:37,091 --> 00:37:39,104
And I think that's what actually unsettled
people this week.
741
00:37:39,104 --> 00:37:41,777
It's not the black uniform, it's the
unaccountability of it.
742
00:37:41,777 --> 00:37:43,970
You look at that image and there's nothing
behind it.
743
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:46,583
It's an outfit for a military with no
institution attached.
744
00:37:47,547 --> 00:37:51,700
Right. So look, we don't really have
anything for you to pay attention to this
time,
745
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,401
right? We don't have like a list of things
that you should do,
746
00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:56,093
not including calling your senator.
747
00:37:56,093 --> 00:38:01,266
Nothing that caught us off guard or
anything that we keep coming back
748
00:38:01,266 --> 00:38:04,238
to because this is all starting to feel
like just a giant joke.
749
00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:07,480
We wanted to be a little lighthearted this
week and,
750
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,492
you know, point at the big stupid shit
coming out of Washington
751
00:38:10,492 --> 00:38:14,145
and hopefully laugh along with you without
getting too serious.
752
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:16,176
Hence the terrible German accent.
753
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:17,740
Right.
754
00:38:17,778 --> 00:38:20,621
we aren't great at that because we like
the history and when you're looking
755
00:38:20,621 --> 00:38:24,905
at the parallels between current dark
times and relating them to the past dark
ages,
756
00:38:24,905 --> 00:38:26,787
it can sometimes feel all too serious.
757
00:38:27,534 --> 00:38:29,111
Yeah, I think we're both a little guilty
of that.
758
00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,155
Did any of you know in our audience that
servicemen and women had to
759
00:38:32,155 --> 00:38:33,548
buy their own work uniforms? Joshua,
760
00:38:33,548 --> 00:38:34,548
did you know that?
761
00:38:34,589 --> 00:38:39,692
Well, I think I vaguely remember something
about that because there is an allowance,
762
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,943
right? Like you get an I think and I think
it's just like one.
763
00:38:41,943 --> 00:38:45,435
You know, and I think you have you get one
in so many amounts of time.
764
00:38:45,435 --> 00:38:47,326
But if you're if you're enlisted full
time,
765
00:38:47,326 --> 00:38:50,528
like you need to wash them because they're
gonna get dirty
766
00:38:50,256 --> 00:38:51,256
Exactly.
767
00:38:50,948 --> 00:38:52,089
in the same way that you have,
768
00:38:52,089 --> 00:38:55,361
you know, a couple of suits. ~ if you were
working in an office.
769
00:38:55,361 --> 00:38:57,412
I is that what people do? I don't work in
an office anymore.
770
00:38:57,412 --> 00:39:00,754
D do people show up in suits still or is
it just like jeans and t shirts?
771
00:39:00,754 --> 00:39:02,695
No. But y you need more than,
772
00:39:01,958 --> 00:39:02,958
Some do.
773
00:39:02,755 --> 00:39:03,755
you know
774
00:39:03,325 --> 00:39:07,169
w one t shirt or one pair of jeans
anywhere you go and so they have to
775
00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:08,635
pay for those completely out of pocket.
776
00:39:09,135 --> 00:39:12,917
Right. So here's our stake. We're saying
that by March thirty first,
777
00:39:12,917 --> 00:39:16,800
two thousand twenty seven, long after AI
AGI has arrived,
778
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,800
~ the
779
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:18,137
Mm-hmm.
780
00:39:17,530 --> 00:39:21,613
Space Force will not have adopted the
black and gray design from that Truth
Social
781
00:39:21,613 --> 00:39:23,184
graphic as an official uniform.
782
00:39:23,184 --> 00:39:27,467
And SPFI, should leave it at that,
783
00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:31,440
the dark blue jacket with the silver
buttons and gray pants will still
784
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,581
be the service's actual dress uniform of
record.
785
00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,614
We really hope this one actually dies as a
true social post.
786
00:39:37,614 --> 00:39:39,995
I I mean I have to be honest. But look,
787
00:39:39,995 --> 00:39:43,918
if we're wrong, we will let you know and
we'll say it while looking
788
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:48,882
at a photograph of an American service
member a a Space Force Guardian wearing
789
00:39:48,882 --> 00:39:50,163
a doogie Himmler coat.
790
00:39:50,663 --> 00:39:53,105
Which I would like on the record as an
outcome I would bet against.
791
00:39:53,105 --> 00:39:54,365
But hey, you know,
792
00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:54,792
Noted.
793
00:39:54,365 --> 00:39:57,017
at least we have work one thing we have
working for us is that Donald Trump hasn't
794
00:39:57,017 --> 00:40:00,229
shown up by anybody's bedside at a
hospital and miraculously cured them.
795
00:40:00,229 --> 00:40:02,831
So some of these posts die on the vine.
796
00:40:02,654 --> 00:40:03,654
N
797
00:40:02,945 --> 00:40:09,136
no one has miraculously showed up at n at
Donald Trump's bed at a hospital yet.
798
00:40:09,636 --> 00:40:10,636
Right.
799
00:40:10,406 --> 00:40:13,177
So no one has shown up yet. We're we'll
we'll still wait on that.
800
00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:14,617
That's why we're we're starting to
801
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:15,329
Okay.
802
00:40:14,877 --> 00:40:16,448
we're trying to collect the receipts here,
803
00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:19,369
right? We're gonna we're trying to make
predictions and see what happens later on.
804
00:40:19,369 --> 00:40:22,700
We'll include it in a another post or
something like that.
805
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,700
So look,
806
00:40:23,471 --> 00:40:24,471
Sounds good.
807
00:40:24,481 --> 00:40:27,972
thanks for joining us today. You can visit
us on the world wide
808
00:40:27,972 --> 00:40:30,462
web at FOF.foundation, not dot com,
809
00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:34,043
not dot org, not dot net, just foundation
dot foundation.
810
00:40:34,043 --> 00:40:36,364
Give us a five star review. ~
811
00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:38,572
And we specifically say five star review.
812
00:40:38,572 --> 00:40:39,812
you want to give us something less,
813
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:44,694
just do the review twice. ~ two stars and
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814
00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:47,355
And then multiply that, divide it by
three,
815
00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:50,716
and then divide it by two, and then put
that as your rating.
816
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:54,124
The stars are per episode with a maximum
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817
00:40:54,198 --> 00:40:55,708
They actually are per episode.
818
00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:58,239
So thanks to if you've rated our podcast.
819
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,311
If you like a specific episode more than
the others and you wanna give
820
00:41:01,311 --> 00:41:04,902
us some hints on where to go from here and
you're too lazy to send us an email at
821
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,001
the overlap at FOF dot foundation.
822
00:41:08,001 --> 00:41:13,835
~ then you can do it by letting us know
some some episodes are,
823
00:41:13,835 --> 00:41:15,876
you know, four stars. Not all of them,
824
00:41:15,876 --> 00:41:18,077
five stars. Either way it would help us.
825
00:41:18,077 --> 00:41:21,659
It's ~ it's basically a a pop up for,
826
00:41:21,659 --> 00:41:24,061
you know, other people so that they can
laugh with us.
827
00:41:24,061 --> 00:41:26,502
Or cry, you know, K Sarah Sarah.
828
00:41:26,502 --> 00:41:29,764
So Will, thank you for watching that movie
twice,
829
00:41:29,764 --> 00:41:33,366
I think you said, and thank you for being
co host with me on another episode.
830
00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:38,281
I do it again. So in fact I'll probably
watch Stormtroopers again Stormtroopers.
831
00:41:38,281 --> 00:41:40,363
Starship Troopers again tonight.
832
00:41:40,363 --> 00:41:43,506
So ~ I actually might see Stormtroopers,
833
00:41:43,506 --> 00:41:44,868
but maybe I'll watch Star Wars.
834
00:41:44,651 --> 00:41:45,651
I
835
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,706
you know, it it still holds true for the
graphic.
836
00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:50,087
Right, which I you know, one thing we
didn't talk about and I know it's
837
00:41:50,087 --> 00:41:52,047
not your favorite movie, that's why I
didn't bring it up before now,
838
00:41:52,047 --> 00:41:54,638
but the Star Wars movie, like the Empire
in Star Wars,
839
00:41:54,638 --> 00:41:57,540
also has very similar uniforms to the the
Nazis.
840
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:59,100
But
841
00:41:58,129 --> 00:41:59,129
I thought were white.
842
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,880
the the stormtroopers are white,
843
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,880
but the the
844
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:02,227
Okay.
845
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:06,022
admin like the officers all have that sort
of similar look with the
846
00:42:05,619 --> 00:42:07,300
Okay. I guess they were black.
847
00:42:06,022 --> 00:42:08,453
the like crisp lines and yeah.
848
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:08,641
yeah, sorry guys,
849
00:42:08,641 --> 00:42:11,383
I'm not a I'm not a warzy. I'm a Trekkie,
850
00:42:11,383 --> 00:42:16,766
so I I prefer, you know, space utopia over
trailer park space opera.
851
00:42:16,766 --> 00:42:19,588
Not a huge fan, but Will is, so.
852
00:42:19,588 --> 00:42:21,259
He actually likes both, right?
853
00:42:20,615 --> 00:42:22,667
Nobody's perfect, Joshua. I do.
854
00:42:21,259 --> 00:42:23,991
You you're a bother. Yeah, and that's
fine.
855
00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:26,121
I'm both there. I'm equal opportunity
fantasy.
856
00:42:23,991 --> 00:42:27,484
Yep, I just not good on the
857
00:42:26,121 --> 00:42:27,423
Space fantasy.
858
00:42:27,484 --> 00:42:32,637
space trailer park. Anyway, ~ you guys
should all watch Stormtroopers
859
00:42:32,637 --> 00:42:33,898
or Starship Troopers or
860
00:42:34,216 --> 00:42:37,230
Whatever, the Federation. Yes,
861
00:42:35,229 --> 00:42:37,521
Super troopers if you like. Meow.
862
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:38,230
if you
863
00:42:38,012 --> 00:42:41,707
not the second one. but if you could use
some lighthearted humor,
864
00:42:41,707 --> 00:42:43,039
because I think we all probably could.
865
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,001
Make sure you take care of each other.
866
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:47,123
Bye.
867
00:42:46,335 --> 00:42:47,335
Bye.
00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:06,294
So there's a an image. It went up on Truth
Social in September of twenty twenty six,
2
00:00:06,294 --> 00:00:09,767
the year of our Lord, from the account of
the sitting president
3
00:00:09,767 --> 00:00:14,921
of the United States, and it shows a next
generation Space Force uniform.
4
00:00:14,921 --> 00:00:18,464
Black, grey, high collar,
5
00:00:18,464 --> 00:00:20,496
and down in the corner of this thing,
6
00:00:20,496 --> 00:00:26,570
like a designer's mood board, there's a
label that says design
7
00:00:26,570 --> 00:00:29,592
inspiration. And what it credits in
writing on project.
8
00:00:29,716 --> 00:00:36,300
Purpose is quote, the discipline and
functionality of the Starship Trooper
uniform.
9
00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:39,962
Starship Troopers, the 1997 film.
10
00:00:39,962 --> 00:00:46,606
The one Paul Verhoven made after growing
up in Nazi occupied Hague,
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00:00:46,606 --> 00:00:50,668
where his family moved in nineteen forty
three when he was five years old.
12
00:00:50,668 --> 00:00:56,030
No one where the costumes were sort of
built ~ was
13
00:00:56,345 --> 00:01:00,548
Unaware that this was Nazi propaganda
aesthetics on purpose,
14
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as like a joke, at the expense of exactly
this kind of guy.
15
00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:08,713
The one where Neil Patrick Harris shows up
in an SS officer's coat
16
00:01:08,713 --> 00:01:12,135
and the crew reportedly starts calling him
Doogie Himmler.
17
00:01:12,135 --> 00:01:17,978
That is the cited inspiration in the
design notes of a real proposed uniform
18
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for a real branch of the American military
that this same sitting president signed
19
00:01:23,092 --> 00:01:25,213
into law in twenty nineteen.
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00:01:25,713 --> 00:01:30,166
Now here's what you want to sort of reach
for an easy explanation,
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and and I'm not gonna do that because the
easy explanation is that somebody
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in the White House social media shop got a
cute AI image,
23
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didn't really know the movie or whatever,
24
00:01:40,472 --> 00:01:43,354
fine, except the label is the whole
problem.
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Nobody actually writes design inspiration
and then names a movie.
26
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Like that's a
27
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Person who watched Starship troopers saw
the black uniform
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and the propaganda newsreels and the new
recruiting slogans and came away thinking,
29
00:01:56,942 --> 00:01:59,603
strong look, aspirational, let's get some.
30
00:01:59,603 --> 00:02:01,624
And that's not even the strangest part.
31
00:02:01,624 --> 00:02:04,705
The strangest part is that the Space Force
already has uniforms,
32
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like real ones. There's a document called
SPFI 362903,
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00:02:08,926 --> 00:02:12,658
issued in January 2026. It's a dark blue
jacket,
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silver buttons, gray pants, mandatory
purchase for personnel transferring in.
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Two hundred to four hundred dollars out of
pocket.
36
00:02:19,607 --> 00:02:24,540
And there was a wear test. General Chance
Saltzman put on the all black mess dress
37
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himself at the Air Force Weapons School
graduation in Las Vegas
38
00:02:28,473 --> 00:02:30,234
on June twenty third, twenty twenty six.
39
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Years of Guardian feedback, an actual
process run by the actual service.
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00:02:36,157 --> 00:02:42,251
And then a picture generated by a machine
showed up on a website and made
41
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all of that look optional.
42
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So the question I want to chase is not
whether the president understands satire.
43
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He doesn't. We can stipulate that from the
get go.
44
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The question is what happens to an
institution when its identity gets decided
45
00:02:56,758 --> 00:02:58,979
by a guy who's good at scrolling?
46
00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:03,661
And how do you end up wearing the costume
from a movie that was made to make
47
00:03:03,661 --> 00:03:04,661
fun of you?
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00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:24,342
This is the overlap, Will. ~ I've been
waiting to talk to you about this
49
00:03:24,342 --> 00:03:25,342
one all week.
50
00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:27,890
And I've been watching Starship Troopers
on repeat,
51
00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:31,448
so which is the strangest sentence I've
said in a while,
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but I did it for you, buddy.
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Right, that's love. So here here's what's
in this episode,
54
00:03:37,359 --> 00:03:39,140
right? In September of this year,
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the president posted an AI generated Space
Force uniform that credits
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00:03:43,741 --> 00:03:47,882
in its own design notes a movie made
specifically to mock people
57
00:03:47,882 --> 00:03:52,243
who like uniforms like that. And we're
gonna follow that all the
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way down because the paper trail on that
black uniform goes somewhere kind
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00:03:57,155 --> 00:04:01,396
of bleak and somewhere mostly funny all at
the same time.
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00:04:01,896 --> 00:04:05,458
And just to say it up front, the
interesting part here isn't the gaff.
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00:04:05,458 --> 00:04:09,430
Everyone got the gaff. The gaff was in
every outlet in about six hours.
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00:04:09,430 --> 00:04:12,041
So Adam Kinzinger, Jonah Goldberg,
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both of them Republicans of various
vintages,
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both of them dunking. ~ Derek Guy,
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00:04:17,464 --> 00:04:19,816
the menswear guy wearing in ~ weighing in,
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sorry, wearing in. ~ that's the easy
layer.
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Right. And and the dunk is fun,
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but it's not like information.
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No, the information is that the black
uniform in that movie was not invented
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by a custom department in 1997.
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It was rather designed in 1932 by two men
who we can name here,
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Karl Diebitsch, a painter, and Walter
Heck,
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a graphic designer, who also drew the SS
double lightning bolt insignia
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in nineteen twenty nine. So, you know,
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there's his portfolio. They were doing
brand identity.
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And the company that manufactured what
they drew in Metzingen,
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Germany, was one they may have may have
heard of.
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~ by the name of Hugo Boss.
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The suits Hugo Boss
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Which by the war years was running those
factories on forced labor.
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So by the end of this, you will know the
names of the two guys who actually drew
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the thing, the president graphic in two
moves basically is copying.
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You'll know what the real Space Force
uniform costs a guardian out of pocket
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and who ordered it. You'll know w what the
June 2025 tank parade ran in its range,
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25 to 45 million, and you'll know that six
in ten American adults told AP N
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O R C they didn't want it. You'll know
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what the Department of War rename costs
and that number is the least funny thing
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in this episode.
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And you'll know one thing I haven't seen
anybody say out loud in the coverage,
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which is that this post didn't just
misread the purpose or the intent of the
movie,
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it stepped on a live, in progress,
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wear tested uniform program that the Space
Force's own chief was walking around
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Las Vegas in three months earlier.
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That's a bureaucracy that did its homework
here.
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Nobody's talking about them.
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Well nobody ever talks about them.
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So yeah, let's talk about them.
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So, of course, as as always, we start out
with the machinery first because there
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are two machines running in parallel here
that are not talking to each other.
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Machine one is the Space Force Uniform
Program.
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It's pretty boring, and and boring is the
point,
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right? You stand up a new entire branch of
the military in 2019,
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and one of the first really hard problems
is what people wear.
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Because
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A uniform is the entire visual argument
for why your service exists.
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So you run wear tests, you get feedback
from the people who have to like live
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the thing in 200 days a year, right?
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So you you iterate, and on January
thirteenth through 15th,
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2026, the Space Force actually issues
dress guidance,
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which is the SPFI 36-2903,
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which formalizes the actual service dress
uniform.
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Dark blue jacket, silver buttons,
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gray pants.
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And in case you've never had any dealings
with the military,
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~ these are mandatory purchases.
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It's not optional for you to dress like
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It's called a uniform for a reason.
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and anybody who transferred into that
service or started out in the space force
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was estimated to pay a two hundred to four
hundred dollar cost for that uniform.
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And that is out of pocket.
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And if you'll you'll ~ take a look at the
pay grades for modern soldiers,
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you'll know why we brought up why we
emphasize the fact that that's out of
pocket.
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But that's normal for the military.
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Don't you mean guardians? Guardi Space
Force Guardians.
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Guardians, yeah. So pardon me.
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our department of war. I didn't
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know if to if guardians worked for the
department of war,
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you know, that sounds like more of a
department of defense kind of move,
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but anyway. ~
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We'll find out.
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yeah. so but that's normal for the
military,
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right? And also worth remembering later
because we're gonna talk about a two
billion
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Mr. Joshua?
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Ba ba ba billion.
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That's right. Sign replacement project in
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And I want those two numbers in the same
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Yeah, so the rollout started in November
of twenty twenty-five.
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First two recruiters, training
instructors,
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and senior leaders and ROTC graduates.
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Optional for most guardians for now,
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there's a a senior master sergeant,
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Brandy Gonzalez, who is actually
photographed modeling it for the
announcement.
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And that's the process. It's real people,
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real fittings, real feedback loop,
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real document with a real number on it.
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In the same way that that the Army,
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the Marines, you know, the the Air Force,
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the Navy have done.
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Generation after generation with the
rollout of new uniforms.
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And fast forward to June twenty-three of
this year,
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General Chance Salzman, Chief of Space
Operations,
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as we kind of touched on a little bit,
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wears the very first wear test,
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all black mess dress at the Air Force
Weapons School graduation in Las Vegas.
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Mess dress means the formal
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Say that three times fast.
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one, right? Yeah. I was trying to get it
out once.
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I'm not even
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going for
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Ha ha.
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three. ~ but mess dress, in case you
again,
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in case you don't know, is the formal
dress,
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like it's the black tie equivalent.
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The name mess may throw you off a little
bit there,
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but it's it's dress uniform. So the
service is at that very moment actively
testing
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a black formal uniform through its own
channels with its own people on the
record.
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Which is important because it means that
the fact that it was black really wasn't
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the whole scandal of this thing.
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Right. This is not about the the shock
troopers or whatever,
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you know, is showing up in black and
looking scary.
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~ it's that black mass dress is not
unusual.
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Roughly half of the world's militaries
wear black in the evening.
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The Navy's dinner dress is functionally
black.
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I mean most people not most people,
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but many people can't tell the difference
between Navy the US Navy dressed uniform,
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color navy and black. But this is not
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If you're colorblind.
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a case of someone it right, ~ or to
varying degrees.
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But this is not a case of someone
inventing a a sinister color.
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That's more than that.
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Yeah, so the the the machine one is is
running fine.
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It's slow, it's expensive, it's a little
dorky,
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but it's functional, right? Like it's the
government doing the thing government
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is supposed to be doing, which is grinding
through a design problem with committees
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and a waterfall process until you get
something that fits.
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Machine two is just a guy with a phone.
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Nowhere test here.
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No. no fitting, no guardian feedback,
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no document number. Machine two generates
an image with AI and posts it,
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and the image depicts a black and gray
design that this service had not
announced.
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It does not have it in its program,
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in the pipeline, and as far as anybody can
tell,
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nobody's ever seen it before that morning
in a true social post.
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Well, to be fair, you know, they have if
they've seen Starship
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To be fair.
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Troopers if they've seen Starship
Troopers,
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they've seen the uniform roughly.
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~ but you know, and also to be fair,
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it does say incorporates the functionality
of the Starship Troopers uniform,
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which is hilarious to me because I never
saw anything in that movie about
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functionality, right? When Patrick
Neopatrick Harris shows up in the black
uniform,
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nobody says, Wow, that's really
functional.
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I should get me one of those. but anyway.
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We talk about those details a little later
actually.
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Yeah.
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So let's be pedantic about why this
matters institutionally,
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because this is the part that gets lost
when the story becomes a joke about a
movie.
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there's a chain of authority for what an
American service member wears,
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right? It runs through the service chief,
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through the dress and appearance boards,
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through the guidance documents.
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Saltzman owns all of that. It's one of the
few genuine prerogatives
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a service chief has.
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And it was overruled by a retweet,
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like a an executive tweet, if you will.
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Yes, and nobody in the chain can say
anything about it because
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the person who ordered it happens to be
the commander in chief.
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So you get this silence where the
institution just sort of stands there
like,
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okay, what do I do now?
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So let's talk about this image itself,
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because the design inspiration label is
doing something specific here.
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That's not the language of a military
procurement document,
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right? That's the language of a pitch
deck.
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It's a PowerPoint slide, somebody made
like a mood board.
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Board for National Armed Service.
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The thing about a mood board though is
that it tells you what the maker thought
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was cool. That's like the whole purpose.
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So when a mood board says the discipline
and functionality of the star trip stip
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starship trooper uniform, we now know
something true about the person
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who created it. They watched that movie
and the key takeaway
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was discipline and functionality.
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Which is, I want to note, not what that
uniform does in the film.
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As we talked about, the uniform of the
film is not functional.
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Nobody in Starship Troopers is protected
by what they're wearing.
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It's a running visual gag. They send
teenagers in the movie against giant
insects
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in what amounts to a safety vest and a
helmet,
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and the bugs go through them like tissue
paper.
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Bearhoven is making fun of you for
thinking the outfit is armored.
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And the outfit is not armor. It's
recruitment,
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right? Like the their their logo,
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their motto in this is service guarantees
citizenship.
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That is the propaganda that they're
spewing out on television and newspapers,
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right? It looks badass two thousand on a
recruitment poster.
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Correct. And the actual armor,
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when you go back to the Source novel here,
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which is a Heinlein novel from nineteen
fifty nine,
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their actual armor in the the novel is a
exoskeleton suit like a big mech,
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like from Alien or something. mobile
infantry.
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Like actually cool.
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Yeah, actually cool. ~ although I didn't
have to visualize this,
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so that helps a little bit when you're in
nineteen fifty nine.
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But also being that much closer to World
War Two,
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I think everybody knew what his
inspiration would be drawing from if
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he had drawn those. Anyway.
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~ Verhoeven deliberately so well in
addition to the exoskeleton suits they've
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got mobile infantry, jump jets,
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all the latest tech. Verhoeven
deliberately took the cool suits out.
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he read the book and decided the politics
were ruled by military elite,
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dressed up as adventure, and made a movie
where the soldiers wear stylish
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but non functional play clothes and then
get shredded on the battlefield.
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So the design inspiration credit is citing
the least functional uniform
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in science fiction for its actual
functionality.
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Deliberately non functional, yes.
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So that's that's pretty damn funny.
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I and I wanna give that its moment.
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Take a moment.
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So so here's here's the the the mechanism
question,
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right? Does this image actually become a
uniform?
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Because there's a version of it where it's
a a Tuesday,
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right? It's content and it evaporates by
Friday.
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The Gish Gallop, like last week's episode
about flooding the field
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and and filling it with bullshit.
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There's a version where somebody at the
Pentagon reads it as an executive order,
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though.
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And based on our last eighteen months of
experience,
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which version would you bet on?
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So that's the thing. Look at the pattern
of how decision has moved
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in this administration. June 14th,
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2025, a military parade in Washington for
the Army's 250th anniversary,
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which just so happens to fall on the
president's 79th birthday.
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Right? Roughly 6,600 soldiers,
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24 M1 Abrams tanks rolling down
Constitution Avenue.
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And six and ten adults in the AP North
Pole,
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~ opposing it.
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Right. So which for you math nerds is a
sixty percent disapproval rating.
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And it happened anyway. And it cost
somewhere somewhere between twenty five
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and forty five million dollars,
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which I think is a purposeful range so
wide that it actually tells
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you nobody was counting the beans in the
bean counter area.
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Are there beam counters left in the
administration?
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~
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they're counting something.
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Well the tanks needed metal plates on the
road,
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by the way, because Abram's tanks are not
meant to drive on on asphalt.
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Surprise, surprise. ~ and they'll tear it
up.
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So I'm sure that's a real line item
somewhere.
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There's still a line item because
apparently it had to
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be repaired afterwards because of how much
it had been torn up.
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So then, fast forward a little to
september fifth,
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twenty twenty five, executive order
renaming the Department of Defense
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to the Department of War. And Pentagon
workers started pulling the sign lettering
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on the exact same day.
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Somebody probably advised them ahead of
time,
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I'm imagining. They didn't just show up to
work and say,
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I think I'll take down the defense part of
the Department of Defense.
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Sign. But that tells you the sequencing,
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right? The order is signed and the
maintenance crew is on a ladder with
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a pry bar before anybody's done any
costing analysis on it.
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So whatever whatever the
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And the cost
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Office of Congressional Budget or
Congressional Budget Office does.
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No, never mind. Go ahead. Yeah.
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They don't CBO doesn't do anything
anymore.
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It
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just it signs the checks. The cost
estimates
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Right.
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actually for that that whole name change,
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by the way, are have run from about ten
million to two bi billion,
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depending on whether you're reading
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Talk about a range.
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the the Congressional Budget Office or you
know the National Broadcasting Service.
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That is not an estimate range.
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That is a 200 200x spread. That is two
different organizations answering
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two different questions and nobody in the
middle reconciling them.
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Because the $10 million is signage and
letterhead and the two billion
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is every contract, every legal instrument,
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every treaty reference, every uniform
patch,
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every email domain, every piece of
software with a hard-coded department name
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on it across an organization with roughly
three million people attached to it.
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And that's again the mechanism.
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That's the whole flabby, coughing,
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smog generating engine in one gesture.
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A decision gets made as an aesthetic,
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announced like a spectacle, and then the
institution just eats the cost
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of making that brand change real.
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Nobody prices it out first, because
putting a price tag on it would kind
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of spoil the moment.
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And the Space Force uniform graphic is
then the same motion at a smaller scale.
339
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Someone made an image. If it becomes
policy,
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the Space Force absorbs a redesign it
didn't ask for,
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on top of the one it just finished.
342
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If it doesn't become policy, then the
president of the US publicly overwrote
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his own service chief for content,
344
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and everyone agrees to pretend that it
didn't happen.
345
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Now both possible outcomes actually cost
us.
346
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One costs money and one costs the idea
that the chain
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of command actually means anything.
348
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So who's holding the bag on this one?
349
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Let's do the people. And I want to start
with the guy who has
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the strangest position in the whole story,
351
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which is Paul Verhoven.
352
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The most vindicated man in Hollywood right
now.
353
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The most vindicated and possibly the least
happy about it.
354
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Here's his situation. 1943,
355
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he's five years old. His family moves to
The Hague,
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which is under Nazi occupation.
357
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He has said directly that this is the
biographical source of the fascist imagery
358
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in his films. Not an influence.
359
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The source. He grew up watching German
soldiers in the street,
360
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and then he became a filmmaker whose
recurring subject is how appealing that
looks
361
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from the outside.
362
00:18:50,556 --> 00:18:53,402
And he creates starship troopers as a
trap.
363
00:18:53,902 --> 00:18:55,392
He builds it as a trap, technically,
364
00:18:55,392 --> 00:18:59,023
sure. He casts it like a Lenny Raf
Riefenstahl film.
365
00:18:59,023 --> 00:19:01,854
Beautiful blonde people, symmetrical,
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glowing, Casper Van Deen at his peak.
367
00:19:04,285 --> 00:19:07,426
Denise Richards, Dina Meyer,
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Patrick Muldoon. He shoots the propaganda
news reels in a Riefenstahl grammar.
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Puts Nil Patrick Harris in a coat so close
to an SS officer's uniform that
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the crew starts calling him Doogie
Himmler.
371
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On set. You can actually look that up on
IMDb.
372
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Hm. Monset.
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Yeah. The casting crew, they got the joke.
374
00:19:24,456 --> 00:19:26,327
The critics unfortunately did not.
375
00:19:26,327 --> 00:19:28,799
So in 1997, the film comes out,
376
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and Janet Maslin in the New York Times and
Roger Ebert both essentially read
377
00:19:32,341 --> 00:19:33,712
it as the thing it was mocking.
378
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Ebert, who I I love or respect the guy as
a critic,
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00:19:37,074 --> 00:19:39,755
was as good a reader of film as any
America's produced,
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took it as an empty brutal spectacle.
381
00:19:42,137 --> 00:19:44,198
And Verhoeven's line about the whole
thing,
382
00:19:44,198 --> 00:19:46,930
which is the most devastating six words in
this episode,
383
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is no one saw it at the time.
384
00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:54,617
And the truth is it it underperformed with
adult audiences and it cleaned
385
00:19:54,898 --> 00:19:58,622
up with teenage boys, becoming somewhat of
a cult classic.
386
00:19:59,122 --> 00:20:02,527
I can't imagine why, but what which is the
joke inside the joke?
387
00:20:02,527 --> 00:20:07,013
The satire of military recruitment
propaganda became successful military
recruitment
388
00:20:07,013 --> 00:20:09,197
recruitment propaganda for fifteen year
olds.
389
00:20:09,197 --> 00:20:12,082
It played straight to the exact
demographic it was warning about.
390
00:20:12,954 --> 00:20:15,435
So I actually I I saw this movie when I
was thirteen,
391
00:20:15,435 --> 00:20:18,807
right? In nineteen ninety-seven I was
thirteen years old and I thought
392
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the uniforms were cool. I did.
393
00:20:20,466 --> 00:20:23,320
~ I I mean, I was not doing ~ like a
394
00:20:22,497 --> 00:20:23,497
The whole movie was cool.
395
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,712
it was. I was not doing like a critical
reading of Riefenstahl,
396
00:20:27,712 --> 00:20:31,624
right? I was watching Neil Patrick Harris
look sharp and thinking,
397
00:20:31,624 --> 00:20:34,766
damn. But even then I thought it was
funny.
398
00:20:35,266 --> 00:20:36,266
Everyone did.
399
00:20:36,625 --> 00:20:39,969
Everyone who got it. And that's Verhoven's
point,
400
00:20:39,969 --> 00:20:42,702
right? And it took me a long time to
realize this as an adult.
401
00:20:42,702 --> 00:20:47,277
So I want to hold a little grace for the
13-year-olds like me who missed it,
402
00:20:47,277 --> 00:20:49,439
like little baby Gerbil, Stephen Miller,
403
00:20:49,439 --> 00:20:52,503
or the 51-year-old like Donald Trump,
404
00:20:52,503 --> 00:20:56,477
who even then didn't have enough hair to
catch the joke going right over
405
00:20:56,477 --> 00:20:57,477
the top of his head.
406
00:20:57,708 --> 00:21:00,057
So I wanna hold zero grace, however,
407
00:21:00,057 --> 00:21:03,791
for the White House communications office
in twenty twenty six.
408
00:21:04,291 --> 00:21:06,483
Boy, if there was ever a more a worse
misnomer.
409
00:21:06,483 --> 00:21:08,985
Because the difference is in the label.
410
00:21:08,985 --> 00:21:13,238
A teenager thinks that looking that the
code looks cool is the mechanism working
411
00:21:13,238 --> 00:21:15,890
as designed. The mechanism is supposed to
catch you.
412
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:18,903
Writing design inspiration on a slide and
sending it out from the office
413
00:21:18,903 --> 00:21:20,494
of the president is not getting caught.
414
00:21:20,494 --> 00:21:24,147
That's endorsing it in writing after
twenty-nine years of people explaining
415
00:21:24,147 --> 00:21:25,147
the joke.
416
00:21:24,957 --> 00:21:28,850
Gross. Nineteen ninety seven was almost
thirty years ago.
417
00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:30,491
Blah. Twenty
418
00:21:30,092 --> 00:21:31,092
Yeah.
419
00:21:30,491 --> 00:21:32,272
nine years of of think pieces.
420
00:21:32,272 --> 00:21:34,754
There is a cottage industry.
421
00:21:35,254 --> 00:21:38,226
There are dissertations. You can get a
degree in this now.
422
00:21:38,226 --> 00:21:41,850
And so Verhoeven's outcome in september
twenty twenty six is that
423
00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:46,794
a sitting American president promoted a
uniform whose own design notes,
424
00:21:46,794 --> 00:21:50,937
sorry, his own design notes cite the anti
fascist parody costume he built
425
00:21:50,937 --> 00:21:53,379
to warn people. That's the outcome.
426
00:21:53,379 --> 00:21:56,642
He set a trap twenty nine years ago and
the president of the US walked into
427
00:21:56,642 --> 00:21:57,642
it holding a mood board.
428
00:21:58,043 --> 00:22:02,016
Okay, so who else's back is this actually
falling on?
429
00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:05,430
Because Verhoeven is fine. Verhoven's
right,
430
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:08,072
he's got like a a cool story to tell at
parties now.
431
00:22:08,072 --> 00:22:11,405
But who actually pays for this gap?
432
00:22:11,905 --> 00:22:14,827
Well, it seems like Chance Saltzman pays
pretty directly.
433
00:22:14,827 --> 00:22:16,488
Like this is where it gets less funny.
434
00:22:16,488 --> 00:22:18,930
Saltzman is chief of space operations.
435
00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:22,813
He oversaw a multi year uniform program
built on guardian wear test feedback,
436
00:22:22,813 --> 00:22:24,904
which means this is what the people who
are actually going to be wearing
437
00:22:24,904 --> 00:22:28,397
the uniform say about it. it's the correct
way to do it,
438
00:22:28,397 --> 00:22:31,579
right? He personally wore the black mess
dress in june twenty twenty
439
00:22:31,579 --> 00:22:35,102
six at graduation in public as part of
formal wear testing.
440
00:22:35,102 --> 00:22:38,054
He did his job the way his job is designed
to be done.
441
00:22:38,554 --> 00:22:41,048
Right. And then three months later,
442
00:22:41,048 --> 00:22:45,026
an AI slot picture makes the whole thing
just look like a suggestion.
443
00:22:45,526 --> 00:22:47,447
And Saltzman can't say anything.
444
00:22:47,447 --> 00:22:52,090
That's the cost. Not money. He can't hold
a press conference and
445
00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:53,669
say the president has no role in this.
446
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:56,912
He can't correct the record because the
record belongs to his boss.
447
00:22:56,912 --> 00:23:00,334
So the cost to Saltzman is the difference
between having authority
448
00:23:00,334 --> 00:23:01,855
and having the appearance of authority,
449
00:23:01,855 --> 00:23:04,176
and that is a cost paid in silence.
450
00:23:04,176 --> 00:23:05,917
Which is why nobody's covering it.
451
00:23:05,917 --> 00:23:07,118
Except us.
452
00:23:06,843 --> 00:23:07,843
There's
453
00:23:07,494 --> 00:23:10,356
right, today. There's there's
454
00:23:09,754 --> 00:23:10,754
Mm-hmm.
455
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:13,308
someone else here too, so David Madsen,
456
00:23:13,308 --> 00:23:17,911
apparently a design lead connected to the
mess dress work.
457
00:23:18,411 --> 00:23:22,173
Right, and that's a person whose actual
craft is being compared unfavorably
458
00:23:22,173 --> 00:23:26,816
and in public to an image an LLM made in
four seconds for three gallons of water.
459
00:23:26,816 --> 00:23:30,198
If you've ever done skilled work and had
it overruled by somebody something
460
00:23:30,198 --> 00:23:33,080
a boss saw and liked, you know that
specific feeling.
461
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,372
Multiply it by the entire US military and
put it on the news.
462
00:23:36,872 --> 00:23:39,847
Then there's also Master Sergeant Brandy
Gonzalez,
463
00:23:39,847 --> 00:23:44,905
who stood there and modeled the real one
in photographs in a magazine.
464
00:23:44,905 --> 00:23:45,905
Like
465
00:23:46,523 --> 00:23:47,523
For the
466
00:23:46,773 --> 00:23:51,298
November 2025 rollout. Caution here
because I don't know what she thinks about
467
00:23:51,298 --> 00:23:53,770
any of this, and the article doesn't cover
a sourced quote.
468
00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:57,514
What I can say is that she's the human
face of the uniform that exists,
469
00:23:57,514 --> 00:24:00,176
and there's now a competing uniform that
doesn't exist,
470
00:24:00,176 --> 00:24:01,998
promoted from a higher altitude,
471
00:24:01,998 --> 00:24:03,019
which she has nothing to do with.
472
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,191
And modeled by a man on the mood board.
473
00:24:06,191 --> 00:24:07,612
And then
474
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:08,510
Course.
475
00:24:07,969 --> 00:24:10,714
the actual Space Force Guardians,
476
00:24:10,714 --> 00:24:16,387
the rank and file. Who are the actual ones
with a mandatory purchase requirement
477
00:24:16,387 --> 00:24:19,689
of two hundred to four hundred dollars if
they're transferring into
478
00:24:19,689 --> 00:24:22,061
the Space Force from another armed
service?
479
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,911
Right, and that's where the line in the
sand is drawn for the money.
480
00:24:24,911 --> 00:24:27,933
I mean the people at the bottom of this
pay in cash for their clothes.
481
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,044
That's how it works. That's how it's
always worked.
482
00:24:30,044 --> 00:24:32,395
There's a uniform allowance and it doesn't
always cover it and
483
00:24:32,395 --> 00:24:36,437
you eat the difference. So when the
aesthetic changes from the top on a whim
with
484
00:24:36,437 --> 00:24:39,978
no process, the question every enlisted
person in America immediately asks
485
00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:41,219
is Am I buying this twice?
486
00:24:41,719 --> 00:24:43,318
Do I own two coats now?
487
00:24:44,604 --> 00:24:47,206
Well to date nobody has answered that
because there's nothing to answer.
488
00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,811
There's no program. There's an AI slot
post.
489
00:24:51,311 --> 00:24:54,964
So circling back though, ~ we brought up
Hugo Boss in the intro,
490
00:24:54,964 --> 00:24:56,971
so we should probably finish that part of
it out.
491
00:24:57,942 --> 00:24:58,942
Go for it.
492
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:02,442
1929, Walter Heck, graphic designer.
493
00:25:02,442 --> 00:25:06,784
He draws the SS double ~ sea Gruna,
494
00:25:06,784 --> 00:25:08,665
the two lightning boats we talked about
earlier.
495
00:25:08,665 --> 00:25:11,527
I'm sure you've seen it tattooed on Pete
Heggseth's body somewhere.
496
00:25:11,527 --> 00:25:15,709
1932, Heck and Carl Diebitsch.
497
00:25:15,709 --> 00:25:19,091
Diebitsch, that's the best way I can spell
it.
498
00:25:19,091 --> 00:25:22,372
D-I-E-B-I-T-S-C-H.
499
00:25:22,372 --> 00:25:28,616
He's a painter, right? ~ he becomes an SS
Oba Fjora co-design.
500
00:25:29,523 --> 00:25:33,426
And i the all-black SS uniform is
co-designed by him.
501
00:25:33,426 --> 00:25:37,240
So two professional clothing designers,
502
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,243
not like the kind that Tim Gunn would be
like designers,
503
00:25:40,243 --> 00:25:45,417
designers, doing a branding exercise for
the actual Nazis.
504
00:25:45,417 --> 00:25:50,271
And the manufacturing goes to Hugo Boss's
company in Metzingen,
505
00:25:50,271 --> 00:25:55,216
which is also produced SA uniforms and
Hitler youth uniforms and
506
00:25:55,642 --> 00:25:59,733
During the war ran both of those factories
essentially on slave labor.
507
00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:01,704
There's a portfolio nobody wants.
508
00:26:01,704 --> 00:26:05,808
So the actual human cost at the bottom of
this aesthetic lineage,
509
00:26:05,808 --> 00:26:09,711
the very first time, was people
conscripted into sewing rooms to produce
510
00:26:09,711 --> 00:26:12,974
the clothes that made the men who conscrip
conscripted them to look magnificent,
511
00:26:12,974 --> 00:26:17,618
right? So you're making your captors look
better by sewing them fancy new clothes.
512
00:26:17,986 --> 00:26:20,752
Right. And that's that's the thing about a
product design,
513
00:26:20,752 --> 00:26:22,305
right? Like somebody has to make it.
514
00:26:22,305 --> 00:26:26,013
Somebody sits at a sewing machine or sits
at a plate factory or whatever
515
00:26:26,013 --> 00:26:29,240
and like they have to produce these shitty
goods.
516
00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:33,572
And Debich's other job, which also was
also very deranged,
517
00:26:33,572 --> 00:26:36,574
was running the SS Porcelain Works at
Alec.
518
00:26:36,574 --> 00:26:39,396
He designed dinnerware. Same guy,
519
00:26:39,396 --> 00:26:43,128
same eye, same project. Make this
beautiful so people want to be near it.
520
00:26:43,628 --> 00:26:46,809
So the chain is Heck and Debitch in
nineteen thirty two,
521
00:26:46,809 --> 00:26:50,611
manufactured by Hugo Boss on slave labor,
522
00:26:50,611 --> 00:26:54,672
absorbed into film iconography for fifty
years,
523
00:26:54,672 --> 00:26:59,464
weaponized as satire by a man who watched
the originals march past his house
524
00:26:59,464 --> 00:27:00,965
as a child in nineteen forty three,
525
00:27:00,965 --> 00:27:05,567
and then in September twenty twenty six
pulled off the shelf by
526
00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:10,439
an AI image generator and captioned with
discipline and functionality.
527
00:27:10,939 --> 00:27:11,939
Four steps.
528
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:15,052
Four steps and one of them is a joke,
529
00:27:15,052 --> 00:27:17,894
and everybody somehow skipped the joke.
530
00:27:18,394 --> 00:27:21,889
Alright, so I think there are three things
in this story that don't hold up,
531
00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:24,282
and one of them is is ours.
532
00:27:24,782 --> 00:27:25,782
Start with ours.
533
00:27:26,139 --> 00:27:29,500
So ours is going to be the the word
fascist,
534
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:34,051
right? We all have heard it as a
descriptor about this administration,
535
00:27:34,051 --> 00:27:35,951
these this president, all of these elected
leaders,
536
00:27:35,951 --> 00:27:38,762
but this uniform specifically.
537
00:27:38,762 --> 00:27:44,303
And I want to be careful because a black
uniform is not a political ideology.
538
00:27:44,303 --> 00:27:47,124
The salon headline said the uniforms,
539
00:27:47,124 --> 00:27:49,305
quote, scream fascist supervillain,
540
00:27:49,305 --> 00:27:50,825
which is fine. I mean it's funny.
541
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:54,081
And it's super accurate as like vibe
criticism.
542
00:27:54,081 --> 00:27:56,382
But a coat is just a coat, right?
543
00:27:56,382 --> 00:28:00,994
Italy's ~ carabinieri, they look
incredible if you've checked out their
uniforms,
544
00:28:00,994 --> 00:28:03,766
and and Italy is a parliamentary
democracy.
545
00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:07,308
So if our claim is that the aesthetic is
the danger,
546
00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:09,319
then our claim is pretty weak,
547
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,744
and somebody smarter than us will pull it
apart in about 30 seconds.
548
00:28:12,244 --> 00:28:14,195
I mostly agree, and here's how I see it.
549
00:28:14,195 --> 00:28:16,235
The uniform isn't the offense.
550
00:28:16,235 --> 00:28:20,086
The uniform is diagnostic. The question a
uniform answers,
551
00:28:20,086 --> 00:28:22,677
which is what does this institution want
you to feel when you see us?
552
00:28:22,677 --> 00:28:26,498
And Debitch and Heck had a very specific
answer in nineteen thirty two,
553
00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:29,279
which is they wanted to mess their pants.
554
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,720
Fear plus envy in the same glance.
555
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,881
The combination is the design brief,
556
00:28:33,881 --> 00:28:35,091
and that's what the black was for.
557
00:28:36,086 --> 00:28:42,017
Right. Fear plus envy. Like mean girls
without the glitz and the glamour
558
00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:43,017
and the makeup.
559
00:28:43,058 --> 00:28:45,654
Well every day we wear black. Right?
560
00:28:45,654 --> 00:28:48,059
Get it? 'Cause on Penn Wednesdays they
wear pink.
561
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:48,535
Hmm. Took me a second, I was like,
562
00:28:48,535 --> 00:28:49,535
what kind of accent is that?
563
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,362
Alright. You want the population?
564
00:28:52,204 --> 00:28:53,514
They all want me to wear
565
00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:54,763
the black clothings.
566
00:28:55,674 --> 00:28:59,095
On every day. Alright, you want the you
want the population
567
00:28:57,801 --> 00:28:58,801
Alright, enough of that.
568
00:28:59,095 --> 00:29:02,266
frightened of you. Yeah, let's ~ Yeah.
569
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:06,068
you want the population frightened of you
and simultaneously wishing they were you.
570
00:29:06,068 --> 00:29:07,829
That's what makes it work as recruitment,
571
00:29:07,829 --> 00:29:12,400
right? 'Cause Verhoven understood that so
precisely that he reproduced
572
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,922
the whole apparatus. And twenty nine years
of teenage boys wanting
573
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:17,102
the code proves he nailed it.
574
00:29:17,602 --> 00:29:20,191
So the graphic kind of just tells us the
vibe.
575
00:29:20,691 --> 00:29:23,696
Well, somebody in that building wants the
American military to produce fear plus
576
00:29:23,696 --> 00:29:25,800
envy. Somebody in that building.
577
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,812
And
578
00:29:26,391 --> 00:29:27,391
Mm-hmm.
579
00:29:26,812 --> 00:29:30,018
reached for the most efficient known
template for it and cited their source,
580
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,300
which is unusually helpful of them.
581
00:29:31,831 --> 00:29:34,035
Sure, but they forgot the peer review.
582
00:29:34,035 --> 00:29:37,081
Anyway, second thing that doesn't add up,
583
00:29:37,081 --> 00:29:40,287
the stated justification, discipline,
584
00:29:40,287 --> 00:29:42,481
and functionality.
585
00:29:42,981 --> 00:29:45,703
Which we've established is false at least
on the functionality part.
586
00:29:45,703 --> 00:29:48,174
So fifty percent that's an F, right?
587
00:29:49,061 --> 00:29:50,402
And the American grading system.
588
00:29:50,402 --> 00:29:54,464
But I hear the the Asian grading system is
a lot harder.
589
00:29:54,464 --> 00:30:00,317
So let's ask what would have to be true
for that sentence to make sense,
590
00:30:00,317 --> 00:30:05,050
right? You'd need the Starship Troopers
uniform to be a functional garment.
591
00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:09,413
It isn't. It never was. It's a costume
built to look good on camera
592
00:30:09,413 --> 00:30:12,534
and fail on screen while the cameras are
rolling.
593
00:30:12,534 --> 00:30:15,356
You need this movie to be.
594
00:30:15,592 --> 00:30:19,215
presenting that military as disciplined in
a way that you'd admire.
595
00:30:19,215 --> 00:30:24,859
But it presents them as disciplined the
way like a cult is disciplined,
596
00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:29,783
which is the point of the scene where they
all cheer while a guy gets executed
597
00:30:29,783 --> 00:30:31,084
on live reality television.
598
00:30:31,584 --> 00:30:35,097
And there's a recruitment ad in the film
that ends with children stomping insects
599
00:30:35,097 --> 00:30:37,356
while an adult says, Everyone's doing
their part,
600
00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:38,356
are you?
601
00:30:38,257 --> 00:30:41,211
So for discipline and functionality to be
an honest take,
602
00:30:41,211 --> 00:30:44,856
you'd have to actually have watched the
movie with the sound off.
603
00:30:44,856 --> 00:30:49,273
Which and I say this with sincerity is my
leading theory.
604
00:30:49,773 --> 00:30:51,523
My theory is that nobody watched it at
all.
605
00:30:51,523 --> 00:30:53,193
My theory is that somebody typed a prompt.
606
00:30:53,693 --> 00:30:55,945
Well, mm, what do you mean by that?
607
00:30:55,945 --> 00:30:56,945
Like, spell it out.
608
00:30:57,229 --> 00:31:00,241
Here's what I think happened, and I want
to flag clearly that this is inference,
609
00:31:00,241 --> 00:31:02,822
not documented. It's an AI slot,
610
00:31:02,822 --> 00:31:05,524
so the process was somebody wanted a cool
future uniform.
611
00:31:05,524 --> 00:31:08,145
They typed a description into an image
model,
612
00:31:08,145 --> 00:31:11,097
and the fastest way to get a cool future
uniform out of an image model is
613
00:31:11,097 --> 00:31:14,479
to name a movie. You write in the style of
Starship Troopers,
614
00:31:14,479 --> 00:31:17,131
because the model has seen 10,000 stills
from it.
615
00:31:17,131 --> 00:31:20,553
Then the model returns something and
someone builds a slide around it,
616
00:31:20,553 --> 00:31:24,605
and the design inspiration line is just
the prompt cleaned up and given a font.
617
00:31:25,105 --> 00:31:28,372
Yeah, that's worse, but not I I mean,
618
00:31:28,372 --> 00:31:33,024
not far off from where I think the average
AI user is right now in terms
619
00:31:33,024 --> 00:31:35,299
of prompt mechanics and prompt
engineering.
620
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,023
Right, but for the administration it's
much worse because it means nobody vibe
621
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:40,935
checked it at all. There was no meeting,
622
00:31:40,935 --> 00:31:42,857
nobody said we want fear plus envy.
623
00:31:42,857 --> 00:31:45,851
Somebody wanted a picture, the picture
needed a reference and
624
00:31:45,851 --> 00:31:48,734
the reference was whatever the closest to
hand was closest to hand
625
00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:49,734
in the model's memory.
626
00:31:50,025 --> 00:31:53,461
Yeah, I guess ~ what's closest to hand
when the request is make
627
00:31:53,522 --> 00:31:55,846
the space soldiers look scary,
628
00:31:55,846 --> 00:32:00,354
right, is ninety years of imagery
descended from two guys who just
629
00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:02,899
so happened to work for the Nazis in
nineteen thirty two.
630
00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:06,953
Right, that's the mechanism. The model
isn't being fascist,
631
00:32:06,953 --> 00:32:10,497
the model's being average. It's giving you
the statistical center
632
00:32:10,497 --> 00:32:14,011
of imposing military uniform as rendered
across everything humans have ever
633
00:32:14,011 --> 00:32:18,827
put on film, and the statistical center of
that data set is downstream
634
00:32:18,827 --> 00:32:22,001
of Heck and Debitch because they were
extraordinarily good at their jobs,
635
00:32:22,001 --> 00:32:23,943
and everyone's been copying them since.
636
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,798
So the danger isn't that a machine has
politics.
637
00:32:28,298 --> 00:32:31,279
Not in this case. In fact, in this case
the dis the danger is that
638
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,842
it doesn't have politics. It has an
average,
639
00:32:33,842 --> 00:32:35,343
and the average is contaminated.
640
00:32:35,343 --> 00:32:37,184
If you use it without knowing anything,
641
00:32:37,184 --> 00:32:39,176
you inherit the contamination and put it
on a slide.
642
00:32:39,676 --> 00:32:43,387
Yeah, I think I'll go f one further and
say that the part that actually concerns
643
00:32:43,387 --> 00:32:47,318
me about how this stuff is is sort of
getting used in government,
644
00:32:47,318 --> 00:32:52,460
and it's not really the whole like people
usually worry about kind of thing.
645
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:55,180
Everyone's braced for AI to make something
up.
646
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,381
Fine, right? Like that's that's
manageable.
647
00:32:57,381 --> 00:33:00,822
You check it, you c we call it guardrails
or or grounding,
648
00:33:00,822 --> 00:33:03,563
right, in the in the computer tech space.
649
00:33:03,563 --> 00:33:08,304
But what I don't actually see anyone
braced for is the AI giving you the most
650
00:33:08,654 --> 00:33:12,647
conventional possible answer, like
literally statistically,
651
00:33:12,647 --> 00:33:19,113
visually average. Just as like a fresh
idea and and nobody in the room having
enough
652
00:33:19,113 --> 00:33:22,516
history to recognize where that
statistical average came from.
653
00:33:23,016 --> 00:33:24,016
Because it looks new.
654
00:33:24,388 --> 00:33:25,970
Well the timestamp is new, right?
655
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:27,803
Because it was generated four seconds ago.
656
00:33:27,803 --> 00:33:30,166
But it's a ninety four year old design.
657
00:33:30,666 --> 00:33:33,938
And it arrives with a con a confidence
that a human designer wouldn't have,
658
00:33:33,938 --> 00:33:36,239
right? Nobody would put this out there as
their work and be proud of it.
659
00:33:36,239 --> 00:33:40,762
A human costume designer in nineteen
ninety seven knew exactly what he was
quoting.
660
00:33:40,762 --> 00:33:43,604
That was the job. The model doesn't know
it's quoting.
661
00:33:44,104 --> 00:33:48,001
Yeah. Third thing that doesn't add up and
this one's just a straight missing number.
662
00:33:48,001 --> 00:33:50,746
Like what does this actually cost us in
the long run?
663
00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,246
No idea.
664
00:33:52,289 --> 00:33:57,262
Well, you have no idea yet. But that's not
an oversight.
665
00:33:57,262 --> 00:33:59,834
I mean, that's just the way Republicans
have worked for years.
666
00:33:59,834 --> 00:34:03,176
Look at the pattern of the numbers we
already have,
667
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:05,818
right? The parade twenty five to forty
five million.
668
00:34:05,818 --> 00:34:08,860
That's a twenty million dollar uncertainty
band,
669
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:11,432
right? For an event that already happened.
670
00:34:11,432 --> 00:34:12,873
It's not like we can unspend it,
671
00:34:12,873 --> 00:34:17,466
right? We renamed the Department of War
ten million to two billion dollars.
672
00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:21,609
Those are I don't know, ~ with dollar
signs attached.
673
00:34:21,761 --> 00:34:27,717
Just like the Lake Ontario to Lake America
and and Gulf of Mexico
674
00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:31,681
to Gulf of America and now apparently New
Mexico to New America.
675
00:34:31,681 --> 00:34:37,076
I it's so it's so mind boggling if we're
being honest.
676
00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:38,076
But
677
00:34:37,213 --> 00:34:38,213
And
678
00:34:38,105 --> 00:34:39,816
yeah. And in each of these
679
00:34:39,178 --> 00:34:40,178
No, it's fine.
680
00:34:39,816 --> 00:34:42,511
cases the announcement the announcement
comes before the accounting
681
00:34:42,511 --> 00:34:44,875
by a wide margin. September fifth,
682
00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,558
twenty twenty five, order signed,
683
00:34:46,558 --> 00:34:49,223
letters coming off the resolute desk that
afternoon.
684
00:34:49,723 --> 00:34:51,616
So when a uniform pick, right,
685
00:34:51,616 --> 00:34:53,599
goes up with no program, no wear test,
686
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,104
no number, the only honest look at this is
that the number is going
687
00:34:57,104 --> 00:35:00,198
to be produced later by whoever gets stuck
putting it into place.
688
00:35:00,198 --> 00:35:04,925
And the range will be embarrassing for all
of us because we pay those with
689
00:35:04,925 --> 00:35:05,925
our tax dollars.
690
00:35:06,176 --> 00:35:07,847
And here's what none of us know at this
point.
691
00:35:07,847 --> 00:35:09,827
nobody outside the administration knows.
692
00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:11,368
We don't know if this becomes real.
693
00:35:11,368 --> 00:35:14,049
We don't know whether there's a follow-up
memo.
694
00:35:14,049 --> 00:35:15,759
The research we did didn't have one.
695
00:35:15,759 --> 00:35:19,021
~ it's possible that this is a post that
dies as a post,
696
00:35:19,021 --> 00:35:23,212
right? In six months the SPFI thirty six
dash two nine three uniform
697
00:35:23,652 --> 00:35:25,843
is the only uniform in the graphic is a
trivia answer.
698
00:35:26,343 --> 00:35:29,607
think I'd rather it be the inscription on
the tombstone of this administration.
699
00:35:29,607 --> 00:35:30,607
How about you?
700
00:35:30,499 --> 00:35:33,968
I'd take that outcome. But I'd note that
we survived because the decision
701
00:35:33,968 --> 00:35:36,856
was too dumb to implement. It's not a
governing structure anyone should
702
00:35:36,856 --> 00:35:38,049
be comfortable relying on.
703
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:41,974
Haha I would agree with that. So here's
what I think this is really about,
704
00:35:41,974 --> 00:35:47,502
and I think the movie stuff is both a gift
and I think the movie stuff
705
00:35:47,502 --> 00:35:48,964
is also a distraction at the same.
706
00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:52,221
In the familiar words of our former pr
press secretary,
707
00:35:52,221 --> 00:35:53,986
both things can be true at the same time.
708
00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:57,101
Right. A uniform is a promise,
709
00:35:57,101 --> 00:36:00,122
right? It's it's the ethical content of
it.
710
00:36:00,122 --> 00:36:02,242
When you put a person in a uniform,
711
00:36:02,242 --> 00:36:05,003
the institution is saying two things at
one time.
712
00:36:05,003 --> 00:36:07,804
This person acts on our authority,
713
00:36:07,804 --> 00:36:10,585
and this person is accountable to us,
714
00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:16,397
which is a claim of both legitimacy and a
claim of restraint
715
00:36:16,397 --> 00:36:19,488
in the same exact uniform. That's why
716
00:36:20,068 --> 00:36:24,784
An unmarked goon with tactical gear
covering his face with a with a sock
puppet
717
00:36:25,386 --> 00:36:31,013
and no name on his his badge or his
uniform is really scary.
718
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:34,468
So much more so than a police officer in a
uniform with a name and
719
00:36:34,468 --> 00:36:36,631
a badge number and a business card that
they can actually hand you.
720
00:36:37,131 --> 00:36:41,318
And this one tells you that the
consequences belong to a mood board.
721
00:36:42,311 --> 00:36:45,974
Right. Because the space uniform that does
exist,
722
00:36:45,974 --> 00:36:47,905
that the SPF thirty six twenty nine three,
723
00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:49,876
I think we should we should come up with
an easier name for it.
724
00:36:49,876 --> 00:36:51,808
That's just it's SPFI
725
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Mm-hmm.
726
00:36:51,808 --> 00:36:53,639
thirty six dash two nine zero three.
727
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:58,072
But that's how I mean that's how not far
along they were in
728
00:36:58,072 --> 00:36:59,433
the uniform selection process.
729
00:36:59,433 --> 00:37:01,194
It just still has a classification number,
730
00:37:01,194 --> 00:37:05,507
right? But it was a promise made by an
institution.
731
00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:08,609
And it came out of a process with names on
it.
732
00:37:08,609 --> 00:37:10,831
Saltzman signed off and and Guardians have
733
00:37:10,921 --> 00:37:15,695
Tested this so far, Brandy Gonzalez stood
there and modeled it in November of 2025.
734
00:37:15,695 --> 00:37:18,237
That is boring, but it's legitimate,
735
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:22,140
right? And it's also accountable to us as
the people who are paying
736
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:24,742
for these uniforms and paying for these
armed services.
737
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:29,245
The graphic itself is a promise made by
nobody,
738
00:37:29,245 --> 00:37:31,427
right? There's no signature, there's no
board,
739
00:37:31,427 --> 00:37:36,591
there's no process. And the design credit
really goes to just kind of a funny movie.
740
00:37:37,091 --> 00:37:39,104
And I think that's what actually unsettled
people this week.
741
00:37:39,104 --> 00:37:41,777
It's not the black uniform, it's the
unaccountability of it.
742
00:37:41,777 --> 00:37:43,970
You look at that image and there's nothing
behind it.
743
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:46,583
It's an outfit for a military with no
institution attached.
744
00:37:47,547 --> 00:37:51,700
Right. So look, we don't really have
anything for you to pay attention to this
time,
745
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,401
right? We don't have like a list of things
that you should do,
746
00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:56,093
not including calling your senator.
747
00:37:56,093 --> 00:38:01,266
Nothing that caught us off guard or
anything that we keep coming back
748
00:38:01,266 --> 00:38:04,238
to because this is all starting to feel
like just a giant joke.
749
00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:07,480
We wanted to be a little lighthearted this
week and,
750
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,492
you know, point at the big stupid shit
coming out of Washington
751
00:38:10,492 --> 00:38:14,145
and hopefully laugh along with you without
getting too serious.
752
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:16,176
Hence the terrible German accent.
753
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:17,740
Right.
754
00:38:17,778 --> 00:38:20,621
we aren't great at that because we like
the history and when you're looking
755
00:38:20,621 --> 00:38:24,905
at the parallels between current dark
times and relating them to the past dark
ages,
756
00:38:24,905 --> 00:38:26,787
it can sometimes feel all too serious.
757
00:38:27,534 --> 00:38:29,111
Yeah, I think we're both a little guilty
of that.
758
00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,155
Did any of you know in our audience that
servicemen and women had to
759
00:38:32,155 --> 00:38:33,548
buy their own work uniforms? Joshua,
760
00:38:33,548 --> 00:38:34,548
did you know that?
761
00:38:34,589 --> 00:38:39,692
Well, I think I vaguely remember something
about that because there is an allowance,
762
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,943
right? Like you get an I think and I think
it's just like one.
763
00:38:41,943 --> 00:38:45,435
You know, and I think you have you get one
in so many amounts of time.
764
00:38:45,435 --> 00:38:47,326
But if you're if you're enlisted full
time,
765
00:38:47,326 --> 00:38:50,528
like you need to wash them because they're
gonna get dirty
766
00:38:50,256 --> 00:38:51,256
Exactly.
767
00:38:50,948 --> 00:38:52,089
in the same way that you have,
768
00:38:52,089 --> 00:38:55,361
you know, a couple of suits. ~ if you were
working in an office.
769
00:38:55,361 --> 00:38:57,412
I is that what people do? I don't work in
an office anymore.
770
00:38:57,412 --> 00:39:00,754
D do people show up in suits still or is
it just like jeans and t shirts?
771
00:39:00,754 --> 00:39:02,695
No. But y you need more than,
772
00:39:01,958 --> 00:39:02,958
Some do.
773
00:39:02,755 --> 00:39:03,755
you know
774
00:39:03,325 --> 00:39:07,169
w one t shirt or one pair of jeans
anywhere you go and so they have to
775
00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:08,635
pay for those completely out of pocket.
776
00:39:09,135 --> 00:39:12,917
Right. So here's our stake. We're saying
that by March thirty first,
777
00:39:12,917 --> 00:39:16,800
two thousand twenty seven, long after AI
AGI has arrived,
778
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,800
~ the
779
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:18,137
Mm-hmm.
780
00:39:17,530 --> 00:39:21,613
Space Force will not have adopted the
black and gray design from that Truth
Social
781
00:39:21,613 --> 00:39:23,184
graphic as an official uniform.
782
00:39:23,184 --> 00:39:27,467
And SPFI, should leave it at that,
783
00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:31,440
the dark blue jacket with the silver
buttons and gray pants will still
784
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,581
be the service's actual dress uniform of
record.
785
00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,614
We really hope this one actually dies as a
true social post.
786
00:39:37,614 --> 00:39:39,995
I I mean I have to be honest. But look,
787
00:39:39,995 --> 00:39:43,918
if we're wrong, we will let you know and
we'll say it while looking
788
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:48,882
at a photograph of an American service
member a a Space Force Guardian wearing
789
00:39:48,882 --> 00:39:50,163
a doogie Himmler coat.
790
00:39:50,663 --> 00:39:53,105
Which I would like on the record as an
outcome I would bet against.
791
00:39:53,105 --> 00:39:54,365
But hey, you know,
792
00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:54,792
Noted.
793
00:39:54,365 --> 00:39:57,017
at least we have work one thing we have
working for us is that Donald Trump hasn't
794
00:39:57,017 --> 00:40:00,229
shown up by anybody's bedside at a
hospital and miraculously cured them.
795
00:40:00,229 --> 00:40:02,831
So some of these posts die on the vine.
796
00:40:02,654 --> 00:40:03,654
N
797
00:40:02,945 --> 00:40:09,136
no one has miraculously showed up at n at
Donald Trump's bed at a hospital yet.
798
00:40:09,636 --> 00:40:10,636
Right.
799
00:40:10,406 --> 00:40:13,177
So no one has shown up yet. We're we'll
we'll still wait on that.
800
00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:14,617
That's why we're we're starting to
801
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:15,329
Okay.
802
00:40:14,877 --> 00:40:16,448
we're trying to collect the receipts here,
803
00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:19,369
right? We're gonna we're trying to make
predictions and see what happens later on.
804
00:40:19,369 --> 00:40:22,700
We'll include it in a another post or
something like that.
805
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,700
So look,
806
00:40:23,471 --> 00:40:24,471
Sounds good.
807
00:40:24,481 --> 00:40:27,972
thanks for joining us today. You can visit
us on the world wide
808
00:40:27,972 --> 00:40:30,462
web at FOF.foundation, not dot com,
809
00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:34,043
not dot org, not dot net, just foundation
dot foundation.
810
00:40:34,043 --> 00:40:36,364
Give us a five star review. ~
811
00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:38,572
And we specifically say five star review.
812
00:40:38,572 --> 00:40:39,812
you want to give us something less,
813
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:44,694
just do the review twice. ~ two stars and
then press the second star again.
814
00:40:44,694 --> 00:40:47,355
And then multiply that, divide it by
three,
815
00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:50,716
and then divide it by two, and then put
that as your rating.
816
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:54,124
The stars are per episode with a maximum
of five.
817
00:40:54,198 --> 00:40:55,708
They actually are per episode.
818
00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:58,239
So thanks to if you've rated our podcast.
819
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,311
If you like a specific episode more than
the others and you wanna give
820
00:41:01,311 --> 00:41:04,902
us some hints on where to go from here and
you're too lazy to send us an email at
821
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,001
the overlap at FOF dot foundation.
822
00:41:08,001 --> 00:41:13,835
~ then you can do it by letting us know
some some episodes are,
823
00:41:13,835 --> 00:41:15,876
you know, four stars. Not all of them,
824
00:41:15,876 --> 00:41:18,077
five stars. Either way it would help us.
825
00:41:18,077 --> 00:41:21,659
It's ~ it's basically a a pop up for,
826
00:41:21,659 --> 00:41:24,061
you know, other people so that they can
laugh with us.
827
00:41:24,061 --> 00:41:26,502
Or cry, you know, K Sarah Sarah.
828
00:41:26,502 --> 00:41:29,764
So Will, thank you for watching that movie
twice,
829
00:41:29,764 --> 00:41:33,366
I think you said, and thank you for being
co host with me on another episode.
830
00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:38,281
I do it again. So in fact I'll probably
watch Stormtroopers again Stormtroopers.
831
00:41:38,281 --> 00:41:40,363
Starship Troopers again tonight.
832
00:41:40,363 --> 00:41:43,506
So ~ I actually might see Stormtroopers,
833
00:41:43,506 --> 00:41:44,868
but maybe I'll watch Star Wars.
834
00:41:44,651 --> 00:41:45,651
I
835
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,706
you know, it it still holds true for the
graphic.
836
00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:50,087
Right, which I you know, one thing we
didn't talk about and I know it's
837
00:41:50,087 --> 00:41:52,047
not your favorite movie, that's why I
didn't bring it up before now,
838
00:41:52,047 --> 00:41:54,638
but the Star Wars movie, like the Empire
in Star Wars,
839
00:41:54,638 --> 00:41:57,540
also has very similar uniforms to the the
Nazis.
840
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:59,100
But
841
00:41:58,129 --> 00:41:59,129
I thought were white.
842
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,880
the the stormtroopers are white,
843
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,880
but the the
844
00:42:01,227 --> 00:42:02,227
Okay.
845
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:06,022
admin like the officers all have that sort
of similar look with the
846
00:42:05,619 --> 00:42:07,300
Okay. I guess they were black.
847
00:42:06,022 --> 00:42:08,453
the like crisp lines and yeah.
848
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:08,641
yeah, sorry guys,
849
00:42:08,641 --> 00:42:11,383
I'm not a I'm not a warzy. I'm a Trekkie,
850
00:42:11,383 --> 00:42:16,766
so I I prefer, you know, space utopia over
trailer park space opera.
851
00:42:16,766 --> 00:42:19,588
Not a huge fan, but Will is, so.
852
00:42:19,588 --> 00:42:21,259
He actually likes both, right?
853
00:42:20,615 --> 00:42:22,667
Nobody's perfect, Joshua. I do.
854
00:42:21,259 --> 00:42:23,991
You you're a bother. Yeah, and that's
fine.
855
00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:26,121
I'm both there. I'm equal opportunity
fantasy.
856
00:42:23,991 --> 00:42:27,484
Yep, I just not good on the
857
00:42:26,121 --> 00:42:27,423
Space fantasy.
858
00:42:27,484 --> 00:42:32,637
space trailer park. Anyway, ~ you guys
should all watch Stormtroopers
859
00:42:32,637 --> 00:42:33,898
or Starship Troopers or
860
00:42:34,216 --> 00:42:37,230
Whatever, the Federation. Yes,
861
00:42:35,229 --> 00:42:37,521
Super troopers if you like. Meow.
862
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:38,230
if you
863
00:42:38,012 --> 00:42:41,707
not the second one. but if you could use
some lighthearted humor,
864
00:42:41,707 --> 00:42:43,039
because I think we all probably could.
865
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,001
Make sure you take care of each other.
866
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:47,123
Bye.
867
00:42:46,335 --> 00:42:47,335
Bye.