Kyle Purnell on Magic, Creativity, and Resilience #290

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the magic guys.
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Well, hello, friends. Welcome to the Magic Guys podcast. I'm your host,
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Nick Kay, and this is episode 290.
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I thought it was 91. 290. Friends, it is me riding solo today.
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So our friend Josh and Doug are out there doing gigs, taking over the planet,
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but fear or not today we have an amazing guest,
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most recently while i was in magic live and i was telling our guests backstage
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that there's always one person that truly stands out to me every,
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magic live that i do and you know there's always something that i walk away
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from i'm just entirely like entirely enamored
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by this particular person as you guys know in the past you know we've brought
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nicholas lawrence on the show and i was telling you the very same thing and
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today it is that guest at the last magic live i met this gentleman
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and he blew my freaking mind and you know he's coming So friends,
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you know this is a live chat.
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Michael Wan, good to see you. Tim Askin in the chat.
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You can ask your questions to our guests, so please let me introduce our guests.
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Our guest is an American magician, magic creator, and lecturer based in Pennsylvania.
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He's known for his super high level of creativity and really unconventional
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approaches to magic, which I got to see firsthand.
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He's got an amazing career highlights, such as performing in Penn and Teller
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Fool Us. He's created more magic tricks than I've had. So luck, yeah.
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He is an amazing lecturer. He does amazing collaborations with Penguin and Vanishing
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Ink and Murphy's. There's literally no one he hasn't worked with.
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The man is a one-man orgy.
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Friends, please join me in welcoming all the way from Pennsylvania,
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the USA, Mr. Kyle Purnell.
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Hey, how's it going, guys? Thanks for having me.
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Buddy, thanks for coming on the show. Please tell everyone, who are you? What do you do?
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My name is Kyle Pernell, and I do tricks or two.
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I love, you know, I try to not say that magic's my life because I feel like
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that's the loser thing to say, but it is magic's my life.
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And it's kind of like default mode at this time, at this point in my life.
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So, you know, it's been a long time since magic's been a hobby.
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I'm sure you can relate to that.
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Yeah, I mean, I think even in that, in Eric, you houses book.
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You mentioned that this was like a new shifts going into the magic full-time
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game again, or back into the creative realm again.
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I get it, man. Like it's a really good time, but you know, it's,
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I always love to know where you came from to know where you're going.
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So can we, can we like circle back and like go back to the beginning and how you even found magic?
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Because, you know, when some people get into magic a certain way,
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they're groomed a certain way and they all think a certain way,
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you know, like there's certain magicians in my town where they think and act
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entirely like danny d ortiz for example,
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as if they're danny d ortiz you you couldn't do that man so i'm so curious like
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how did you discover magic and when did you realize you enjoyed creating it
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as much as performing it yeah sure i'll give you a give you kind of the abridged version so.
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All my life, I have had a stutter when I talk. I'm a PWS, a person who stutters.
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And that is very much ingrained in my family. My dad stutters.
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His dad, when he was alive, stutters. And my grandfather, my sister stutters.
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For a little bit, my son and daughter stuttered as well. But I think they got
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speech therapy right away.
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And now it's not nearly as prevalent, but very much in our family. right,
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and so it it hit me hard growing up and,
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my my hope is that right now it's kind of hard maybe to believe that this is
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was as much of a struggle as it was growing up but i was definitely the stutter
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kid i couldn't get out with things i wanted to say my brain knew what i wanted
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to say but i couldn't but my body wouldn't let me say it the way i wanted to
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i would often get stuck on the words my body would just kind of like freeze up,
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especially kind of right here my jaw my throat,
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and so i wanted to be able to do something especially in like junior high time
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i wanted to be able to do something most people couldn't do because most people
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could do something i couldn't,
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so i got into you know balloon sculpting juggling magic you know the things
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that really get the ladies and.
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It's a mean thing to laugh at nick i don't know what you're talking about no
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you would have been dripping in it man absolutely and then magic was just kind
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of the thing that stuck and what i've really what i was really fascinating about magic was,
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stuttering was the thing that led me to magic but magic helped me gain control
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over my stuttering so there's like a symbiotic relationship and like they both helped each other,
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amazing i you know i would have never thought the healing qualities of magic
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could apply to those types of things well you mean it was a big part of that
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was the confidence and the performing ability and,
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but also just when you're performing a lot like especially like walk around
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stuff that's stuff i like to do it's the same script over and over again so
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it's not a lot of it's not spontaneous anymore right
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so it's kind of broke even the story right now is very wrote so it's a lot less
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likely I'm going to stutter on it because I've told this story a thousand times, right?
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It's a very great question. I've never gotten it before.
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But no, that's basically what it was. So I got into it that way to kind of,
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I guess, subconsciously solve a problem. But then it turns out I just found
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the thing that my brain was designed to do.
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That's unreal man i love that i just you don't really appreciate how,
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holistic magic can be for some people in so many aspects i have my personal
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journey with that as well man i totally agree like for me it cured heartache more than anything.
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Yeah like i just remember being at an all-time low getting on stage and still,
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being able to make people smile and when i kind of realized like even at my
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worst i can still give my best and i can still make the world a better place
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and not bleed on the people not bleed on people that didn't cut me,
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yeah i love that i love that so much yeah yeah i i remember going to like a
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restaurant gig a few years ago,
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and my my mental health was not a good place and i was just really struggling
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on the way there and then i got in there,
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and i was still not feeling great and i started performing the first table and
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second table and like with each table i started feeling better and better and
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better until the end of the gig,
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i was feeling on top of the world and i and it was just like a far cry from
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the uh the really shitty place that i started that night in,
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so it's just like just like performing is very cathartic to me as well as the
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actual magic is but like the performing like it's not about validation or anything like that it's just,
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i'm i i feel good when i perform with people and not for people but like but
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with people that's the that's the goal and but and when that happens and we're
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like and we're just playing off of each other it's a really good group,
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and you just feel like you're really in the zone it's just really hard for your
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mental health to take take you down off of that high you know.
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Yeah. I mean, and in the same breath, we've probably ended up in situations
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where we've met people that, that try to pull you down and you,
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you're just, you gotta be bigger than them and not let them.
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That's one of the strongest things because, you know, I remember very early
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in my career, it's like, okay, we've got one more trick for the evening.
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And then you do a trick and you meet an absolute douchebag who just wants to
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ruin your life. And then you leave the gig feeling kind of upset and you think
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to yourself like, wow, I gave that guy too much power in that.
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You know what I mean? Absolutely.
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Yeah. Yeah. But these are things you learn. These are things,
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yeah when you're performing this isn't i had a whole series of questions but
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i'm just throwing them at the window because we're taking this such a better
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conversation what sort of stuff are you performing early in your career like
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what were your kind of influences,
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oh like early on early early on,
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i will let me start with the first like what i call real magic trick i ever
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got what are you talking by the way can we just uh we're talking this is like
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late junior high or early high school so like in your teens,
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yeah like 14 15 nice,
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and so my first magic trick i ever got,
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and i'm not talking about like you know the magic kit we all get when we're
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a kid right i'm talking about like the first real magic trick that i you know
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i scouted out on it was penguin magic back in like oh four and,
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and up until recently the site looked just the same as it did.
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And so I went there and I was going back and forth between what trick do I want
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to ask for for Christmas right,
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And it was, it was Holy Moly by Jay Sankey. Yeah.
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Yeah. For those that don't know what the trick is, it's basically like a,
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um, you have a kind of like a postcard. Is it the best way to describe it,
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Kyle? No, no, no. It's like two washers.
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Oh, that, oh, sorry. I totally mixed that one up. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's like you have two washers, right? And, uh, and obviously a washer has a hole in the middle.
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You, you, they choose one, you give it to them. And then the other one,
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you take the, you move the hole and you take it off.
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And then you throw it onto their hand and then when they open it up their washer
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has two holes in it and i i really think that that was.
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Super not knowingly but now looking back you know hindsight's 2020 right i think,
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looking back that was super influential to how i create things now wow because,
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i remember at the time i was really disappointed,
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because i'm like oh you're just like switching it,
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i thought it was like a good i thought it was like this crazy thing where you
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know the there's a flap that like seals up somehow and then you know
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and then there's another piece that moves out of the way kind of like you know
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the michael shatley and the matrix cards which is amazing by the way i just
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got one of those and it's awesome right but,
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but that that is what kind of established my foundation for methods.
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And what started as a huge disappointment kind of turned into.
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This epiphany that some of the strongest magic that you can do doesn't have to be crazy,
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complex,
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intricate methods or apparatuses.
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In fact, that's the thing that started enchanting me the most,
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was realizing that the less method you use, the more satisfying I think it is.
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Because it's one thing to, you know, it's because I remember years ago,
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there's a bunch of different tricks where like a bill melts through another
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bill, dollar through another dollar, right?
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And i remember watching one and it required a gimmick right like an extra piece
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of bill or whatever it might be and then you see andrew may do his ghost bills,
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and there's no gimmicks and like how much more satisfying is that,
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that you can do pretty much the same trick but anytime anywhere that's like
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a superpower you're like equipped to be able to as dan harlan said in my penguin
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live and i never forgot this,
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i would rather manipulate the world around me than have it gimmicked for me wow bars,
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yeah wow never forgot that i love it so much yeah,
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wow that's an that's an epic drop you know and i can just say you know from
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hearing this story dude and off jamming with you at magic live i i totally.
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You know when you see it just connection it kind of makes sense.
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I totally get it now like yeah i feel like i know you even better just from
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that conversation like just from what you've told me now so,
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as far as influencers go you're it's hard to see that what you do is basically
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very reminiscent of a lot of people that you that you do so creatively who would
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you say some of your influencers are,
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i mean it's no secret that i mean a lot of my stuff is probably very reminiscent
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of how people feel when they look at paul harris's material,
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so i would say i i would it's kind of funny though because i would say my material
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is probably closest to his material,
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but he wasn't one of my biggest influences growing up which is like,
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i i mean later on i'm i'm looking through his stuff I'm like,
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oh, yeah, I think like that.
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Oh, yeah, I think it's like that and it's like that. So it's just kind of like,
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two minds happen to think very similarly. But,
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I don't think that his material directly influenced mine. So the biggest ones
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that probably influenced it was,
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sankey greg wilson richard sanders,
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probably those were the biggest three and then like it's it's funny it's like
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you it's like you uh you add those together and you get paul harris.
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I see that yeah uh which is you know so it's like i get all these influences
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and then i find that the stuff that i'm doing is very reminiscent of what paul
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harris was doing in the 70s,
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yeah you know i'm sort of curious like with regards to some of,
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your level of originality and if you could recall like what your first,
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sort of original creation might be because i was trying to do the same for myself
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and i couldn't because yeah i think that you basically start with something
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and it evolves a lot and i was just curious whether or not you had the same
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journey when you had your first original trick,
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first original trick or first original good trick let's let's answer both okay all right so,
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funny enough i i have this vivid memory of,
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well before i even got into magic right you know like i i guess i always found
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it fascinating but it was never you know something i thought oh this is my thing
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right so this is well before i was in junior high,
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and i remember my my cousin uh was a few years older than me and she was over at our house and,
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i was just kind of back in the room in in my room and i was playing with my
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dad's handkerchief and i was playing with a coin and.
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And i just remember thinking oh the magic's pretty cool and i remember putting
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the coin in the middle of the handkerchief folding up the handkerchief in half,
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holding it again so it's in quarters.
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Now the coin is in the middle of the quarters.
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And then I said, just to myself, I was like, no, watch.
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And I took the whole handkerchief and I flipped it over. And I opened it back
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up and I said, but it's still in the middle. And.
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And in my head, I'm like, whoa, but I flipped it over. It should be on the outside now.
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And what's funny is, I'm actually just piecing this together right now.
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That was just a very crude version of a topological concept for a magic trick
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to actually work. It was still very primitive.
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It was kind of like laying the groundwork for what I was to later do.
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Which I didn't even put that together until right the second.
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So that's the very first trick I ever did, and it was awful.
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But the very first good trick I ever created was probably...
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Years later i was in college and i created a moving hole trick but it was impromptu,
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and it was called what the hole.
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And i put it on theory 11's wire do you remember the wire yeah yeah so i put
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it up there it was pretty well well received,
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and you know it was a little fiddly and there's a lot of moves to it but it's
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fun to do and and it was the thing that really got the um,
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kind of the bug bit i think of specifically magic creating at that point.
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Because it was like the coolest feeling in the world to have,
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other people learning your stuff and performing it to other people and and then
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getting the reviews and it was just it was like this is what i got to do man
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this is what i got to do for the rest of my life,
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so the bug bit with that one and then the rest of this history i guess that's
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unreal so when you're creating something new,
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i i is there a sort of process that you have that you sort of stick to in a
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very rigid way or is it just,
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you know you just sort of imagine something impossible just while teetering,
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well i know that you had eric on last week or was that two weeks ago who just
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wrote this new book plug plug,
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cultivating creativity and i actually overviewed the,
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uh i hesitate to call it my process because it's really not a process i have,
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just unregulated adhd flowing through my veins at all times so it's hard for
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me to have a rigid process for things,
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like a thing i said before it's more like it's a state of mind it's like a this
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is just life at this point my i see life through magic goggles.
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And so it's not like I sit down and try to create a trick.
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You can do that. A lot of people do that. And I remember in the book as to not,
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I give too much of the content away, but I remember the first chapter in the book is Blake Voight.
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And Blake was like, I can't guarantee any good ideas, but I can promise to be
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the guy that never runs out of bad ones.
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And so he and I create very differently.
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But i actually went and we were i was actually just a few weeks after live this
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year i was booked to be a lecturer at,
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the b magic convention which is brent bronze thing this year along with marcus
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eddie and jenny garcia and all these guys specifically those two i was i'm bringing
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up specifically because they,
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we were talking about our creative process and i was specifically markets i,
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I was blown away by the fact that up until this point, I hadn't met anybody
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else who really creates the same way I do.
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But it was uncanny how similar our processes were because.
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We don't really start with the effect a lot of the time. We start with the prop
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itself, and we look at the attributes of the prop.
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And for me in particular, I
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look at what all attributes are a part of this prop that we're looking at.
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And is this an attribute that would be best suited for the effect or best suited
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to be used for as part of the method?
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Right. So, for example, if we did, if we use something like post-it notes. All right.
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So let's do this quick back and forth, Nick.
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We'll go back and forth and we'll say some attributes of a normal,
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just a standard size post-it note. Okay? Right. I'll go first.
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They're able to be torn.
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Yeah. They're equidistant on all sides as well. Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They look the same from the top as from the bottom. So you can't really tell
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if it's on the top or the bottom if you just look at it at the cursory glance.
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Yeah. There is a portion that is adhesive.
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Mm-hmm. And that portion, this is a fun fact, this is the nerdiest fun fact
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that I can tell you, but this is also what I'll tell you about the attributes here.
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That portion is always the same, no matter what the size of the Posenode is.
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So if you have one of the larger ones, and you're comparing it to one of the
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smaller ones, the strip of adhesive is the same size strip of adhesive.
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So proportionally, they're very different.
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Right the the proportions for the the smaller ones that i really like to use
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it's about half the width it takes up about half the width of it right but when
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you look for the the the larger post notes that
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sticky strip is only a very small like a fifth or an eighth,
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of the width i don't know if that makes sense or not um okay so that's in and
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that's interesting so the.
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So the size of the adhesive is the same regardless of the size of the post note.
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So that's an attribute, right? You can also go with they are able to be crumpled.
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They are able to be written on. They are able to be punched in a hole, right?
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You can see through them if you write with a Sharpie, right?
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Like all these things that you kind of take for granted. You just kind of be
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hyper aware of those. If you need to write them down, you write them down, right?
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But then then you start to think okay so not only do I have these attributes
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but these attributes could be used,
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it could be one could be used as a method or I could use that same attribute
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as part of the effect right so,
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the fact that it has a strip of adhesive that could be used as part of the method
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where instead of palming something you could secretly stick it to your fingers
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right so you don't have to palm it Right.
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So that can be part of the method, but it can be a part of the effect.
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Maybe I take a part of a signpost note that they can feel it's sticky and I
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remove the stickiness magically and I put it onto a different piece that wasn't sticky and now it does.
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That's part of the effect now. Right.
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And it could even be both. But so what you do is you list the attributes first,
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and then you go through each one and say, how can I use this as part of the effect?
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How can I use this attribute as part of the method? Right.
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That's kind of how it is yeah yeah you're looking at you're looking at an object
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and being able to say like how can it be used magically ultimately i mean most
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most folks for example the rubik's cube looked at it and just been it's just
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a toy and it's a puzzle but then you know over years of existing,
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ended up being a very magical piece which is nearly part of everyone's repertoire nowadays.
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Absolutely what's the what's the weirdest thing that oh no i wouldn't say weird
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let's use a better word what's the most non-magical,
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object that you think you've created magic with i mean,
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i i would say a fork is kind of magical it's been given enough credence the
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cutlery has been given enough credence i see i see you know like i would you
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say like i do a magic trick with an earbud cleaner,
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oh see you know that's interesting and i i think i'm gonna have to disappoint you with my answer,
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because I'm actually pretty picky about the stuff that I use because I don't want them for me.
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And I think it's because I kind of tend to live in the magic product side of things.
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I want things to be on the en vogue side of things and I want them to be not
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weird things. I definitely don't want the...
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I actually have a pet peeve. I really dislike tricks where we ignore the fact
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that it's pretty much we're doing tricks with garbage.
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I really hate that. So when you take the tab off of a Coke can and then put
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it back on, it's like, oh, watch, I'm going to take this thing off of garbage
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and I'm going to restore it. So now it's restored garbage.
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You didn't refill it.
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It's still trash. That's a good point. You know? Yeah.
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Or, or like there's one trick and I, I know this is, you know,
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obviously public and live and everything like that. So I hope this doesn't come
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back to bite me because I love all the people associated with this particular
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trick, but it's a good example of what I'm saying.
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So please, if you're associated with this trick, please, I love you.
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It's just this particular thing. It's a, it's a bugbear of mine is with like
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the two loyalty cards and you like, you rip them in half.
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And then you like fuse the two halves of the two different loyalty cards together right,
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okay but like there's no value in that like it's it's just it looks like trash to me and
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it looks good don't get me wrong it looks good it's a good it's a good looking
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trick and it's it's a very fooling
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trick but for me aesthetically it just it's not what i i would rather.
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Just do it with two cards and i know the the point was to try to get away from
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playing cards and just do it with you know more organic items and and and i get that but for me,
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you know at least cards we have you know we there's a lot of precedent to why
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we're doing with playing cards and when you take it out of this it just becomes it becomes,
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and i don't say garbage as in it's a terrible trick it's not a terrible trick
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i mean it's literally garbage you're you're tearing up a loyalty card So now
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any inherent value that you had is gone now.
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So you don't have any inherent value in this half, any inherent value in this
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half. And then when you put them together, you still don't have it.
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You still don't have that value.
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There's no reason to do it for me.
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So I actually like to stay away from weird items. And I like to try to do weird
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things with normal items.
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You know, the weirdest thing I've used, I just, I wasn't really thinking about
00:26:42.961 --> 00:26:48.970
it, but during COVID, we were doing this challenge where someone would nominate something and,
00:26:50.251 --> 00:26:52.354
basically what would happen is it's like, okay, so if you want to do,
00:26:52.580 --> 00:26:56.156
like, if you want to know how our tricks are done, you've got to come up with one yourself.
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And it was performed with some local names around, around my part of the planet.
00:27:01.131 --> 00:27:04.181
We had Lawrence Leung, a great mentalist and performer and Nicholas J.
00:27:04.181 --> 00:27:05.227
Johnson, friend of the pod.
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And, you know, we would do stuff like tomatoes and we'd come up with different ideas. Mm-hmm.
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.534
And I came up with a, with like a cherry tomato trick where it's like,
00:27:12.534 --> 00:27:16.407
I tossed it in the air, cat caught it, did, did one of these. Right.
00:27:17.694 --> 00:27:23.504
And bro, like I had to like embed a magnet in the tomato and then put it in
00:27:23.504 --> 00:27:25.554
the fridge with water and then freeze it.
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So the magnet would stay inside of it so that I could touch a thumb loop to
00:27:29.894 --> 00:27:32.404
it while it was, you know, cause I showed my hands empty.
00:27:32.404 --> 00:27:35.054
And then as I threw it in the air and caught it, like it connected itself.
00:27:35.054 --> 00:27:38.304
And then I used a thumb loop to, it was so crazy.
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And then another one was with toothpaste and the setup for that is,
00:27:43.313 --> 00:27:46.494
ridiculous i think i might have shared it on the discord because it's so,
00:27:46.974 --> 00:27:51.134
so ridiculous i'll reshare it again after the podcast it's gonna be cool about
00:27:51.134 --> 00:27:54.524
it and i'll send it to yourself carl you can have a look at it it's so well
00:27:54.524 --> 00:27:57.462
and the method is just out of control there's like
00:27:57.891 --> 00:28:02.141
magnets fishing line all kinds of stuff like it is out of control gaffer tape
00:28:02.419 --> 00:28:04.776
gaffer like it just yeah it was just,
00:28:05.654 --> 00:28:10.784
you know one of my favorite lines from a friend of mine he's in the music industry
00:28:10.784 --> 00:28:15.319
it's say that's right sex drugs rock and roll and gaffer tape and i'm like that is exactly.
00:28:17.851 --> 00:28:22.694
Yeah so creative wise i'm curious do you think that this like level of creativity
00:28:22.694 --> 00:28:28.825
is something that we all innately have and that can be cultivated over time?
00:28:29.466 --> 00:28:34.463
Yeah. Yeah, I do. I think it comes down to...
00:28:36.354 --> 00:28:44.294
That question reminded me of an online webcomic that I saw where there's this,
00:28:45.163 --> 00:28:52.291
girl who's drawing something and then off-panel someone says, wow, you really...
00:28:53.514 --> 00:28:56.674
You're an amazing draw. I wish I could draw like you. No, well,
00:28:57.254 --> 00:29:01.299
I practice," she says, right? And then the next panel, oh, it must be a gift from God.
00:29:01.974 --> 00:29:06.094
And then she said, well, no, I just practice a lot. And then she's like.
00:29:07.474 --> 00:29:10.079
I'll never understand how people are so talented.
00:29:10.998 --> 00:29:15.988
Well, I practice a lot, you know, and that's not to say that I don't believe
00:29:15.988 --> 00:29:18.108
that, you know, things are given from God.
00:29:18.108 --> 00:29:22.930
I'm a Christian, but I also, I don't,
00:29:23.758 --> 00:29:30.958
but it is frustrating to me when you hear all these tropes of what I just kind
00:29:30.958 --> 00:29:33.178
of, you know, suggested there of,
00:29:34.350 --> 00:29:37.066
I'll never understand how some people can do it. Well, yes, you do.
00:29:38.078 --> 00:29:43.438
Or if someone says, you know, man, I wish I could do that, you know,
00:29:43.438 --> 00:29:46.670
X, Y, and Z as good as, you know, said person.
00:29:47.499 --> 00:29:52.528
You either don't mean what you're saying right now or you do mean what you're
00:29:52.528 --> 00:29:54.188
saying and you're going to start
00:29:54.188 --> 00:29:58.338
practicing out the wazoo like the person that you want to do it like.
00:29:58.918 --> 00:30:05.918
You know it's i i you know it's it really is are are you willing to put in the
00:30:05.918 --> 00:30:10.838
the work to it and and i so i i don't believe that it's that you know,
00:30:11.952 --> 00:30:18.188
myself or anybody who is a legend in the field of creating magic or even outside
00:30:18.188 --> 00:30:23.941
the field i don't believe there's anything necessarily special about them. Sorry, guys.
00:30:26.298 --> 00:30:32.298
I just think that it's what they wanted to kind of devote their style of thinking
00:30:32.298 --> 00:30:33.958
towards and devote their lives to.
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And a lot of them have been able to reap the rewards of that.
00:30:38.777 --> 00:30:42.148
Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I've always said that, like,
00:30:42.148 --> 00:30:46.828
I think that the passion drives creativity sometimes. And what I mean by that
00:30:46.828 --> 00:30:48.970
is that, like, when you have a passion for something.
00:30:50.741 --> 00:30:56.118
The work to to get the talent is not laborious anymore,
00:30:56.762 --> 00:31:01.951
because anyone can get talented at something right like talent you can build
00:31:01.951 --> 00:31:07.081
but passion you can't make like passion is there or it's not you know yeah i
00:31:07.081 --> 00:31:11.559
love that yeah yeah and i've always felt that that's kind of the key thing where,
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.701
you know there's there's kids out there that can play the piano absolutely amazingly
00:31:15.701 --> 00:31:20.487
not because they love it because if you know they were forced to you know that's a really good example,
00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:24.220
yeah and so i think that when you have a passion for something,
00:31:25.009 --> 00:31:28.801
and you're self-driven to just constantly like just devour it you know there's
00:31:28.801 --> 00:31:31.421
people in this listening to this right now that just like
00:31:31.821 --> 00:31:35.711
love magic and want to like watch watch it when they get home listen to this
00:31:35.711 --> 00:31:37.581
while they drive into gigs you know and
00:31:37.941 --> 00:31:42.571
read books before they go to bed like they just devour magic in all forms you
00:31:42.571 --> 00:31:46.761
know and that's a passion that like you you can't really force upon someone
00:31:46.761 --> 00:31:51.284
you know it's something that be there and yeah it's it's interesting because,
00:31:51.881 --> 00:31:54.941
you know we all appreciate magic in different ways and we all express it in
00:31:54.941 --> 00:31:57.931
different ways and I think the creativity is a fun way to express it some people
00:31:57.931 --> 00:32:01.421
just express doing things with their own voice you know I get that,
00:32:02.620 --> 00:32:05.611
I was yeah and you make a good point of that in the book actually but I just
00:32:05.611 --> 00:32:10.941
wanted to ask like I think I think that the exercise we did earlier is that
00:32:10.941 --> 00:32:14.151
would you say that's probably the best way to just get people thinking creatively
00:32:14.151 --> 00:32:16.633
in which we'll just look at an object and go, okay.
00:32:18.343 --> 00:32:21.555
No, I don't think it's the best way, but it's my way.
00:32:23.146 --> 00:32:30.437
It's the way that I've discovered that my brain thrives on putting things together.
00:32:32.203 --> 00:32:36.373
And I think it's something I think you'll notice if anyone plays this video
00:32:36.373 --> 00:32:42.433
back. I've never used the word creativity to describe me because I don't consider myself creative.
00:32:44.523 --> 00:32:47.360
And I don't say that in a fishing for compliments way.
00:32:49.565 --> 00:32:53.692
Because I have this thing, and I do this in my lectures sometimes,
00:32:54.261 --> 00:32:59.226
where I'd say you don't need to be creative in order to create.
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And being creative is only one motivating factor in order to create.
00:33:07.423 --> 00:33:10.343
And I say there's kind of three main ways. You can be creative,
00:33:10.343 --> 00:33:14.447
you can be obsessive, or you can be desperate. Or any combination of the three.
00:33:16.043 --> 00:33:19.724
What does desperate mean? I wasn't really, I was with you until that one.
00:33:20.044 --> 00:33:24.797
Oh, desperate. As in, if you're on a stranded island, right,
00:33:24.903 --> 00:33:29.521
and you've never had any history of being, you know, a creative soul,
00:33:30.344 --> 00:33:34.223
and you only have, you know, a few sticks, some vines, you know,
00:33:34.223 --> 00:33:37.743
some sand, you know, and all the, and you don't have much to get off the island,
00:33:37.743 --> 00:33:38.817
but you need to get off the island.
00:33:39.743 --> 00:33:42.093
You're not going to be like, well, I'm not a creative person,
00:33:42.093 --> 00:33:43.551
so I guess I'm going to be stuck here.
00:33:45.543 --> 00:33:50.076
Right? You're in a desperate situation. You're going to be doing things that you don't typically...
00:33:51.013 --> 00:33:55.013
That you wouldn't typically be able to do or think to do. I was talking with
00:33:55.013 --> 00:34:00.603
Eric Tate on the Penguin Magic podcast, and he actually said that when he creates
00:34:00.603 --> 00:34:04.834
cool shit, that's the reason, that's his motivating factor, is that he is desperate.
00:34:05.228 --> 00:34:11.923
So when he needs to fill a spot in the show, for example, and he has certain
00:34:11.923 --> 00:34:17.183
things that needs to fit, but he doesn't have that, well, he's not just throwing
00:34:17.183 --> 00:34:20.227
paint at the walls because that's where his brain naturally needs to be.
00:34:20.557 --> 00:34:23.941
He's not obsessing over because that's where his brain naturally needs to be
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.813
he's actually just solving a problem that needs to be solved for that particular
00:34:29.813 --> 00:34:32.452
part of the show so he's desperate in that particular way,
00:34:32.992 --> 00:34:36.593
that makes sense that makes a lot of sense yeah because i was sort of thinking
00:34:36.593 --> 00:34:39.343
like when have i been desperate like when i've had problems when i've got a
00:34:39.343 --> 00:34:42.383
problem that i need to fix right that's where the creativity comes from it's
00:34:42.383 --> 00:34:45.205
like i got this thing but it's not quite working and then i
00:34:45.633 --> 00:34:49.807
yeah i see it as a problem and i've got to polish it up right that makes a lot lot more sense.
00:34:50.521 --> 00:34:53.723
One more thing before we jump into talking about Eric's book and your other
00:34:53.723 --> 00:34:57.193
creations is just a quick question with regards to when you've come up with
00:34:57.193 --> 00:35:00.533
methods. And I found this very early in my career, and I'm sure that a lot of
00:35:00.533 --> 00:35:03.584
folks listening to this are probably going to go through the same situation.
00:35:04.002 --> 00:35:08.603
And it's when you create something only to find out that either the idea or
00:35:08.603 --> 00:35:13.333
the method or something about it has existed for the past 50 plus years.
00:35:13.333 --> 00:35:15.908
It's somewhere entire ballad somewhere in like you know.
00:35:18.073 --> 00:35:24.573
How many times has that happened to yourself all the time right all the time and if,
00:35:26.590 --> 00:35:32.130
And it doesn't go away, right? It's not like, you know, you're in the beginning
00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:35.447
processes of, oh, maybe I want to get into this magic invention thing.
00:35:35.952 --> 00:35:39.220
And then you come up with something and you're like, oh, that happened,
00:35:39.220 --> 00:35:43.680
you know, 50 years ago. Or, oh, this is a new one. But someone else just came
00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:46.090
up with that and they beat me by this much, right?
00:35:47.671 --> 00:35:52.780
You know, when I was in that part, I was trying to convince myself,
00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.841
oh, well, that's going to go away when, you know, I become more established.
00:35:56.068 --> 00:36:00.070
It doesn't. And now all the time you're coming up with something new.
00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:04.690
And now the thing that does change is you might get more of a well-defined spidey
00:36:04.690 --> 00:36:08.722
sense as of to what has been done before and what hasn't.
00:36:10.404 --> 00:36:14.166
Or you just might be more well-read and you'll just know more.
00:36:15.232 --> 00:36:18.569
But no, that just doesn't go away. But I think,
00:36:20.171 --> 00:36:27.754
the thing that you can do is remind yourself that it's much better to come up
00:36:27.754 --> 00:36:32.404
with a great idea that's already been done than to come up with a really shitty
00:36:32.404 --> 00:36:34.300
idea that has never been done.
00:36:36.391 --> 00:36:43.106
Agreed. now now and i i say that while still agreeing with like what blake says and you know like.
00:36:44.144 --> 00:36:49.184
Shitty ideas are are a good jumping off point but what i mean in this example of course is you know
00:36:49.524 --> 00:36:52.654
you're you become married to this idea that you don't think it should you think
00:36:52.654 --> 00:36:55.794
it's really good right you know that's i gotta yeah i gotta agree with that
00:36:55.794 --> 00:36:59.466
because i think you know one of the most interesting things that i learned
00:36:59.907 --> 00:37:06.941
in my more recent years like past three years was hanging out with mario lopez and he was saying like,
00:37:07.435 --> 00:37:10.773
when you're creating or when you want to work on something
00:37:11.179 --> 00:37:14.504
don't try to work on something that's perfect or been around for a thousand
00:37:14.504 --> 00:37:18.014
years like oh my version like invisible deck it's like dude the invisible deck
00:37:18.014 --> 00:37:23.126
is like stellar perfect leave it alone like what you should be doing is looking for weak effects,
00:37:23.742 --> 00:37:27.424
you know and challenging yourself to improve upon them if you want to make an
00:37:27.424 --> 00:37:31.334
impact or find a way to have the biggest impact is to find things that are weak
00:37:31.524 --> 00:37:32.594
and add strength to them.
00:37:33.017 --> 00:37:40.614
And I was like, that's a really interesting creative mindset to have in a means
00:37:40.614 --> 00:37:44.238
of fishing for an effect. So thank you, Mario Lopez. You're all right.
00:37:44.778 --> 00:37:48.204
You're all right. You're all right. In Eric, you have his book,
00:37:48.204 --> 00:37:50.217
Cultivating Creativity.
00:37:50.322 --> 00:37:55.975
Your title was chapter five. It's this, it's time to don your magic goggles.
00:37:56.638 --> 00:37:59.773
What does that mean to don your magic goggles?
00:38:00.034 --> 00:38:04.384
Yeah, I think I kind of teased it a little bit early, so sorry that I put my
00:38:04.384 --> 00:38:08.794
cart before the horse, but basically it means that it's….
00:38:11.796 --> 00:38:18.896
An effective way the way that it works for me to to to create new ideas isn't,
00:38:19.887 --> 00:38:24.498
okay i'm done with my nine to five i'm going to come down here and sit down
00:38:24.933 --> 00:38:30.408
turn on the clock the timer and for the next you know 45 minutes the next hour
00:38:30.658 --> 00:38:33.632
i'll be able to i'm just going to sit down and try to come up with ideas,
00:38:34.728 --> 00:38:38.768
But rather, it's always the case.
00:38:38.768 --> 00:38:43.519
I'm just seeing the world maybe a little differently than other people do.
00:38:43.949 --> 00:38:48.567
And so that's what I mean by the magic goggles. You see it through a magic lens.
00:38:49.014 --> 00:38:55.063
So when you go into a Staples store, do you have Staples in Australia?
00:38:55.545 --> 00:38:59.208
We have what's called Officeworks. Same thing. Oh, okay. Same thing.
00:38:59.208 --> 00:39:05.768
So you go to a Staples and you don't, you don't see, uh, you don't see stationary.
00:39:05.768 --> 00:39:11.441
You see, you see opportunities to build gaffes. You see opportunities to,
00:39:12.326 --> 00:39:16.974
to buy, buy an interesting item in bulk, right?
00:39:17.281 --> 00:39:21.793
Cause you know, you don't usually get opportunities to buy, you know,
00:39:21.974 --> 00:39:24.828
30 Sharpies, uh, but you can at Staples, right?
00:39:25.748 --> 00:39:30.228
So you see opportunities that other people just might not, right?
00:39:31.008 --> 00:39:38.186
And so you do that. And I think that's kind of the basis of the Dawn of the Magic Gargles.
00:39:39.689 --> 00:39:43.128
One of the things that really struck me in that book when I read it was you
00:39:43.128 --> 00:39:47.540
don't need an original method, but you need an original voice.
00:39:49.016 --> 00:39:53.331
And I'd love to get your perspective on that. Yeah. Because...
00:39:55.127 --> 00:40:01.128
Magic methods are you know, few and far between you know, there's very few new
00:40:01.128 --> 00:40:03.668
things under the sun, I still think there's new things under the sun,
00:40:03.668 --> 00:40:07.138
I don't believe, I don't agree with all the magicians that say there's nothing
00:40:07.138 --> 00:40:09.168
new under the sun, I think there's a few things left,
00:40:10.099 --> 00:40:13.311
but they are few and far between but,
00:40:13.996 --> 00:40:20.108
so it's very I always like to think just in life, in terms of likely and unlikely,
00:40:20.410 --> 00:40:25.745
right it's very unlikely that we'll come up with a brand new revolutionary magic method.
00:40:26.458 --> 00:40:34.099
But very likely we'll be able to use our voice to express something magically,
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.019
that hasn't been done before. Yeah.
00:40:37.124 --> 00:40:41.614
You know, so the, you know, I like likely unlikely, I think in terms of odds,
00:40:41.614 --> 00:40:47.505
the odds of you, Nick K, being you are astronomical.
00:40:48.852 --> 00:40:56.065
The odds that you would even exist are so close to zero. It's statistically zero. You are.
00:40:58.090 --> 00:41:05.821
Yeah. Right. So as unlikely as that is, you beat the odds with that.
00:41:06.164 --> 00:41:11.734
So because of that, you actually have very good odds of using that unique voice
00:41:11.734 --> 00:41:16.893
that we've just proven is statistically very unique to express something that,
00:41:17.456 --> 00:41:18.727
no one's ever expressed before.
00:41:19.220 --> 00:41:21.511
Wow. Wow. Okay.
00:41:23.144 --> 00:41:27.114
It's really interesting, yeah, that you put it like that. Very unique perspective.
00:41:27.114 --> 00:41:30.184
Yeah. I've got to let that one marinate after this chat, I think.
00:41:32.338 --> 00:41:35.314
Too deep. Some people you chat to and you can belly wet your ankles.
00:41:35.314 --> 00:41:40.324
You chat to Kyle Purnell and the Magic Eyes podcast and you drown. No, don't drown.
00:41:44.604 --> 00:41:45.264
Okay, so,
00:41:47.324 --> 00:41:51.334
we were chatting before the show, and just given the time, there's so much I
00:41:51.334 --> 00:41:54.364
would love to chat to you about, but I've got to leave a few chats out as I
00:41:54.364 --> 00:41:55.548
only have an hour of your time.
00:41:55.867 --> 00:42:01.713
You were mentioning that you had a particularly interesting gig story.
00:42:02.364 --> 00:42:07.361
Yes. Are we okay to share that? Can we go into the segment? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it.
00:42:08.369 --> 00:42:11.674
So gig stories is a section of the show where we talk about little magic moments
00:42:11.674 --> 00:42:16.411
either while performing in our day-to-day or while doing gigs and kyle.
00:42:17.704 --> 00:42:20.764
I i saw a child behind you a moment ago just make sure that like they're cool
00:42:20.764 --> 00:42:22.838
before you share this story are they cool i don't know,
00:42:23.824 --> 00:42:27.514
let me just check yeah yeah joe make sure that little people are okay and i'll
00:42:27.514 --> 00:42:32.634
tell the guys a story in the meantime so i i was performing uh this weekend
00:42:32.634 --> 00:42:37.323
at a at a corporate it was about two just a little banquet thing for a particular company,
00:42:38.364 --> 00:42:40.594
crazy unorganized, crazy unorganized.
00:42:40.594 --> 00:42:43.283
And I was supposed to be doing just a quick 20 minute, 20 minute set.
00:42:43.896 --> 00:42:46.814
And I was just going to do great. They told me like, we got a camera and everything
00:42:46.814 --> 00:42:49.064
like that. I'm like, you know what, cool. I'll do, I'll do my Ruby's cube stuff
00:42:49.064 --> 00:42:50.664
then. Cause that plays really nice to camera.
00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:55.094
And, and then I was doing my routine as per normal.
00:42:55.094 --> 00:42:59.064
And when I handed out for the portion of my routine where the cube gets mixed
00:42:59.064 --> 00:43:00.634
up, I was like, here, go ahead.
00:43:00.634 --> 00:43:03.204
Cause I was able to walk around the tables and have it on camera look great
00:43:03.204 --> 00:43:07.314
you know but i gave him the the cube to mix and what he did was he took the
00:43:07.314 --> 00:43:10.975
cube put it in his lap and then just started rotating the corners of every,
00:43:11.573 --> 00:43:14.674
cube like he didn't actually mix it like he was just purposely there to be a
00:43:14.674 --> 00:43:18.994
jerk so i had to remove like three phases of that routine just to combat that
00:43:18.994 --> 00:43:23.184
but it's just remarkable like every dude i brought up in the routine i would
00:43:23.184 --> 00:43:24.960
ask him to do something and they just like.
00:43:26.186 --> 00:43:29.384
Wouldn't do it. I'm like, that's not what I asked. I'm like, that's not what I said.
00:43:29.866 --> 00:43:32.766
And I would do it again. And I got to the point where it just became the throughput
00:43:32.766 --> 00:43:37.386
of the show because they were like the guys in this particular company and by
00:43:37.386 --> 00:43:41.816
the particular nature were just so, so egotistical.
00:43:41.816 --> 00:43:45.748
So, I don't know what was wrong with them, but I got to the point where I was just like.
00:43:46.495 --> 00:43:49.785
I was doing my cup and ball routine and I just said to him, I go,
00:43:49.785 --> 00:43:52.975
dude, are you married? He's like, yeah. I go, well, you are very bad at taking
00:43:52.975 --> 00:43:54.048
orders for a married man.
00:43:54.472 --> 00:43:59.085
And I see his wife light up and then I'm doing my bits. And then I do this whole,
00:43:59.085 --> 00:44:02.635
like I do this whole bit, you know, with the cups and balls where I put a ball
00:44:02.635 --> 00:44:04.585
down and I push the ball and it makes a little squeaky noise.
00:44:04.585 --> 00:44:06.294
I've got a little squeaky number here.
00:44:06.682 --> 00:44:09.435
And I just thought, I'm just going to, I'm just going to use this opportunity
00:44:09.435 --> 00:44:14.775
just to highlight how bad everyone I've chosen is to work with and to perform
00:44:14.775 --> 00:44:16.895
with because they were literally ruining my show.
00:44:16.895 --> 00:44:22.359
And in the spirit of Gregory Wilson, if you can't hide it, highlight it. And so I did.
00:44:22.694 --> 00:44:27.577
And I just put a spotlight on every guy who was just there to ruin the show, do the wrong thing.
00:44:28.180 --> 00:44:30.206
Every time I asked him to do something, they wouldn't do it.
00:44:30.785 --> 00:44:32.855
I asked him a question that would look like it was just like,
00:44:32.855 --> 00:44:35.465
they're just ruining the entire show. And then at the end of it,
00:44:35.465 --> 00:44:37.011
I just took it, won him over.
00:44:37.406 --> 00:44:41.215
I did my fruit shop act, ran, then I gave everyone a piece of fruit and I gave
00:44:41.215 --> 00:44:44.085
the biggest douche bag a lemon to say thanks for your hard work.
00:44:44.085 --> 00:44:47.585
And then I'm, you know, I finished up and left and they loved me by the end
00:44:47.585 --> 00:44:50.425
of it. So like I totally won them over, but they were just engineered to ruin
00:44:50.425 --> 00:44:55.205
the show. And, you know, sometimes it's going to happen in gigs and you got
00:44:55.205 --> 00:44:58.189
to learn to pivot sometimes. So I could, I've given them a better show.
00:44:58.357 --> 00:45:00.702
Yes. Did I put in a great show regardless?
00:45:01.050 --> 00:45:04.995
Definitely. And so these things will happen for the listeners going through
00:45:04.995 --> 00:45:06.513
this. Don't be discouraged.
00:45:06.966 --> 00:45:10.725
Awful people are going to awful people. And, you know, it's unfortunately,
00:45:10.725 --> 00:45:13.154
you know this guy who purposely ruined that cube.
00:45:13.875 --> 00:45:20.435
Robbed 199 people of an awesome piece of magic because of his actions and you
00:45:20.435 --> 00:45:23.523
know i will have to take some responsibility for choosing him but,
00:45:24.133 --> 00:45:27.155
i honestly thought i chose the nicest guy in the room and it was a very fellow
00:45:27.155 --> 00:45:30.215
centric room in a sense that there was lots of men and other than that there
00:45:30.215 --> 00:45:33.555
was like their partners so you can imagine what sort of company they were with
00:45:33.555 --> 00:45:35.576
that being said leave it to your own.
00:45:36.444 --> 00:45:40.880
So, Kyle, I'm interested to hear this story, dude. You have it before.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.691
Take your time. I got my coffee. I'm all ears.
00:45:44.413 --> 00:45:49.220
Actually, this is a fairly recent story. So I was just at a wedding doing a gig back in the summer.
00:45:50.126 --> 00:45:55.380
And I was hired to do my extended cocktail hour. So I did a cocktail hour meal
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.640
and then, you know, just stayed around a little bit. It was called my all-night
00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:03.119
party pack, right? So I stayed around a little bit more and did some stuff.
00:46:03.601 --> 00:46:05.710
But after the meal, a lot of people
00:46:05.710 --> 00:46:10.690
were feeling good with some liquid encouragement inside them, right?
00:46:11.520 --> 00:46:16.540
And so the dichotomy of.
00:46:18.540 --> 00:46:23.081
Beforehand and afterhand was quite stark.
00:46:23.644 --> 00:46:31.970
So I went up to this group of women who were drinking after the meal and started doing some stuff.
00:46:31.970 --> 00:46:37.610
And I have this piece in my walk-around routine where I do a one-coin routine,
00:46:37.610 --> 00:46:41.700
and then I produce another coin and another coin, produce five coins,
00:46:41.700 --> 00:46:44.983
then five more coins, and it's like a 10-coin production, right?
00:46:45.233 --> 00:46:50.240
So I'm done with those 10 coins. I give them to one of the ladies,
00:46:50.240 --> 00:46:53.400
then I turn to somebody else, and I start doing a card routine,
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.680
and I start having them sign a card.
00:46:56.790 --> 00:47:02.690
As I'm doing this and I'm having him sign a card, I look up briefly and I see,
00:47:04.153 --> 00:47:08.211
streaks of silver just shooting through the air.
00:47:09.151 --> 00:47:14.062
And I'm like, this chick is throwing my coins through the air.
00:47:15.707 --> 00:47:20.476
It has to be what's going on. And I looked up. I looked over at her.
00:47:21.463 --> 00:47:25.168
And she was.
00:47:25.683 --> 00:47:31.179
She was throwing my coins. But specifically, she had taken it upon herself to,
00:47:32.462 --> 00:47:42.233
take these coins and chuck them at the exposed sweaty cleavage of the other female guests.
00:47:43.411 --> 00:47:47.181
And they were like 12 feet away. I mean, like this was not a short,
00:47:47.181 --> 00:47:51.691
a short distance and she was fucking nailing it.
00:47:52.251 --> 00:47:57.120
She was, she gets lefty. She gets righty. She gets right down the crack.
00:47:57.545 --> 00:48:00.302
It was phenomenal.
00:48:01.092 --> 00:48:07.685
And what I wanted to say was, ma'am, this is unbelievably hot and I would love to keep watching.
00:48:11.438 --> 00:48:15.201
This is also highly inappropriate and can you please make sure that i have all
00:48:15.201 --> 00:48:20.841
10 coins afterwards but she was getting it she was and they were sticking right
00:48:20.841 --> 00:48:25.583
because it was hot and sweaty and it was it was i've never i've never,
00:48:27.952 --> 00:48:32.591
i've never been in that situation where someone was drunk enough to do something
00:48:32.591 --> 00:48:34.674
so inappropriate but also,
00:48:35.631 --> 00:48:39.161
i guess be drunk enough to like gain a superpower and be like really good at
00:48:39.161 --> 00:48:42.361
what they're doing that's very,
00:48:43.201 --> 00:48:47.451
funny about that and so she was so she was doing it and when i asked her just
00:48:47.451 --> 00:48:50.801
make sure you have all 10 at the end she went around she got all 10 coins and
00:48:50.801 --> 00:48:51.482
she gave them to me like she,
00:48:53.041 --> 00:48:55.861
she wasn't like what you were just describing she wasn't she wasn't a dick or
00:48:55.861 --> 00:48:59.510
anything she was she just was not really in control of her actions,
00:49:00.125 --> 00:49:05.641
and yet still hyper in control of her actions it was the weirdest dichotomy
00:49:05.641 --> 00:49:08.547
of things I've ever seen, but it was phenomenal.
00:49:08.924 --> 00:49:12.151
I still haven't watched those coins. Kidding. Totally couldn't.
00:49:14.797 --> 00:49:21.328
That's a good one. Wow. So, Kyle, as we draw this interview to a close,
00:49:22.432 --> 00:49:25.155
you know, I want to take a moment to celebrate some of your creations.
00:49:25.422 --> 00:49:29.932
I mean, we've got, you know, a list as long as my arm.
00:49:29.932 --> 00:49:33.642
We've got Lightyear, Big Picture, The Brain Child, Crossfade, and Eagle Eye.
00:49:33.642 --> 00:49:39.332
Let's talk about some of them and maybe even talk about, and you probably won't,
00:49:39.332 --> 00:49:44.492
but I am that guy that will push and go, what's coming?
00:49:44.492 --> 00:49:47.301
You know what I mean? So grace yourself. I'm going to do that.
00:49:47.446 --> 00:49:49.493
Let's talk about, maybe we'll start with Lightyear. Yeah?
00:49:50.173 --> 00:49:53.252
Yeah. Fun fact about Lightyear, I just found out earlier this year,
00:49:53.632 --> 00:49:57.522
it has a patent. It has a U.S. patent, which is really cool.
00:49:57.522 --> 00:50:00.092
Yeah. Very few tricks have a patent. Now, you know.
00:50:02.426 --> 00:50:06.762
I don't know how useful it is, but it does have a patent. And so that's really
00:50:06.762 --> 00:50:09.224
cool. That's the trick that it did on Fool Us.
00:50:09.706 --> 00:50:17.802
And it's a trick that it's a great example of kind of how I create versus what
00:50:17.802 --> 00:50:23.272
I perform because it will probably always be one of my proudest creations,
00:50:23.974 --> 00:50:28.305
because it was such a nightmare to bring to fruition.
00:50:29.709 --> 00:50:36.100
But yeah i don't i gotta ask how how how even how even like how like yeah.
00:50:37.811 --> 00:50:43.748
Like how do you even prototype that idea like that well so i was i got a little
00:50:43.748 --> 00:50:49.258
ahead of myself with it because at first take half a second to explain the effect is people,
00:50:50.298 --> 00:50:53.778
imagine like little pieces of plastic with holes in them and then you basically
00:50:53.778 --> 00:50:57.978
square them up and you have a revelation where like all the holes come into
00:50:57.978 --> 00:51:01.698
a perfect alignment and right yeah and it's not a force that i think that's
00:51:01.698 --> 00:51:03.138
the important part right like it's
00:51:03.538 --> 00:51:06.578
it's a freely named two-digit number right,
00:51:07.776 --> 00:51:12.768
so what was funny is i i had the method in my head pretty much immediately and
00:51:12.768 --> 00:51:18.368
that's not a flex that's just it is it was the method the like the actual system
00:51:18.368 --> 00:51:20.733
was fairly straightforward,
00:51:21.918 --> 00:51:27.618
but the uh what was really fascinating was when I went into it and I'm like,
00:51:27.618 --> 00:51:28.898
oh, I know what this is going to be.
00:51:29.238 --> 00:51:33.298
So I just started taking some like scrap playing cards and a hole punch.
00:51:33.298 --> 00:51:37.138
I'm like, oh, I'll just make this right here, made a one, and then I make the
00:51:37.138 --> 00:51:39.720
adjustments that I needed to. Okay, now I'm going to make a two.
00:51:40.857 --> 00:51:42.707
What I didn't account for was.
00:51:43.906 --> 00:51:50.723
When you're trying to make certain punches, a hole punch only goes so far into a card, right?
00:51:51.063 --> 00:51:53.552
So you can't make all the holes that you need to. It's also,
00:51:54.110 --> 00:51:55.283
proportionally speaking, a
00:51:55.283 --> 00:51:59.787
hole punch is very big. It makes very big holes for the size of the card.
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And so I was running out of room. And I couldn't get to make the actual number.
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So I was having to fold the cards in half and make one in there.
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And then I would go back to the one, and then it didn't look like a one anymore
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because now there's all these extra holes.
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And I'm like, oh, okay. So that's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.
00:52:25.055 --> 00:52:29.993
And so I actually explained it to my dad. And my dad is not a magician,
00:52:29.993 --> 00:52:31.630
but he is a very logical thinker.
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And so sometimes when I'm stuck, I ask him some things. and i forget what he
00:52:36.493 --> 00:52:40.338
suggested but it was the thing that made me think,
00:52:41.292 --> 00:52:46.913
graph paper so i took so i'm like let's use graph paper for this so we took
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a piece of graph paper and i put it into like quadrants,
00:52:50.612 --> 00:52:55.889
and then i then i plotted the coordinates of where every single hole had to be,
00:52:56.812 --> 00:53:03.863
and i and i made an x on that coordinate and then depending on the rotations that i had to make i would,
00:53:04.363 --> 00:53:06.493
flip the coordinates and put
00:53:06.493 --> 00:53:11.929
the inverse of the coordinates in whichever quadrant had to be that and.
00:53:13.943 --> 00:53:16.933
And then so and then i realized that was working and i wasn't doing the overlap
00:53:16.933 --> 00:53:20.291
thing and i wasn't going to accidentally make extra holes and all that stuff
00:53:20.622 --> 00:53:26.432
i was realizing it was working and because of the actual method i only really had to get to,
00:53:27.386 --> 00:53:31.513
eight i had to get one two three four five six seven and eight because a nine
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is just a six upside down right so i already had a six so i was like so i got
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to seven i got seven all plotted and it was really full and i thought,
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if i get this eight,
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This is the happiest day of my life.
00:53:51.433 --> 00:53:56.413
This is what I find interesting. There's a patent for this. Who is following this?
00:53:56.853 --> 00:54:01.145
This is the master Jedi level thought process.
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AI couldn't figure this out, dude. This is just so gross.
00:54:08.073 --> 00:54:15.521
So I finally plotted the eight. And there was one coordinate that wasn't perfect, but it was good enough.
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And I got it and I can't, and I just, I kept sitting there thinking,
00:54:21.353 --> 00:54:24.397
I can't, no, I can't believe I just did this.
00:54:24.873 --> 00:54:28.243
I can't believe it happened. Because this is like months on end.
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And in the back of my head, I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's possible, but it might not be.
00:54:34.371 --> 00:54:39.193
And then when it was, like when in the same moment, I realized two things.
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One, it was possible. And two, I did the thing that was possible. Right.
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And so that was just an amazing, amazing moment.
00:54:47.141 --> 00:54:50.798
But then all I had was these coordinates. Right. So now I had to actually make the things.
00:54:51.251 --> 00:54:55.073
So but because they're all plotted, I can't just use a hole punch.
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And I needed something a lot smaller. So I went to Michael's and got a leather punch kit.
00:54:59.610 --> 00:55:06.913
And so now I'm here with this template of graph paper over top of what I'm actually
00:55:06.913 --> 00:55:08.116
going to punch the cards in.
00:55:08.499 --> 00:55:11.906
I put that on top of a board and I take the leather punch and a hammer.
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And I start hammering out these holes by hand one at a time.
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And until I got the first functional set of light year cards. Unreal, dude. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was wild.
00:55:27.373 --> 00:55:30.373
I was on a mission, but because I didn't think that it would,
00:55:31.481 --> 00:55:33.622
I didn't want to die without it being a thing.
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It sounds weird, but.
00:55:38.813 --> 00:55:42.883
If you contrast that with something like Dropped Call, my vanishing cell phone
00:55:42.883 --> 00:55:45.188
thing, I do that all the time.
00:55:45.571 --> 00:55:50.053
But I don't consider that one of my proudest creations because I knew that if
00:55:50.053 --> 00:55:53.484
I didn't create that, somebody else would have.
00:55:53.698 --> 00:55:56.491
It's vanishing crayons with a cell phone. Anybody could have come up with that.
00:55:57.454 --> 00:56:02.833
And so, but with Lightyear, I was like, it needs to be something that exists
00:56:02.833 --> 00:56:05.935
on Earth. And I don't know if anybody else would do it.
00:56:06.724 --> 00:56:13.843
So that that was the biggest thing that kind of kept propelling me to to get to that point wow,
00:56:14.565 --> 00:56:20.613
you know what you're right yeah it's like if not you then who you know there's
00:56:20.613 --> 00:56:23.823
that 12 monkey notion that's like oh look i created this thing and then sure
00:56:23.823 --> 00:56:26.395
enough someone on the other side of the planet's done it but you're right like,
00:56:27.217 --> 00:56:32.199
i wonder how many folks of the billions of folks we have on this planet are
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.460
punching holes in leather or using leather punches rather into cards to,
00:56:37.105 --> 00:56:41.503
yeah you know you're right and there's there is a sort of like a duty almost
00:56:41.503 --> 00:56:44.001
that you probably felt in order to be like i have to give birth to this,
00:56:44.782 --> 00:56:48.923
well and i did find out then too not the same thing but somebody else the other
00:56:48.923 --> 00:56:53.534
side of the world in spain dante i think it's the name he uh he.
00:56:55.053 --> 00:57:00.337
He was he came up with a very similar premise but it was with a deck of cards
00:57:00.737 --> 00:57:04.329
instead of just things like that and it wasn't a number it was a card,
00:57:05.428 --> 00:57:11.875
like a freely named card now obviously the mechanics are a lot different and i think he has to like,
00:57:12.497 --> 00:57:15.863
don't quote me on this and dante if you're listening apologies if i'm wrong
00:57:15.863 --> 00:57:22.013
about this but i think i think he has to not use the entire deck for whatever card is named, right?
00:57:22.695 --> 00:57:29.118
The cool thing about this is that all cards are used every single time. Wow. Crazy. Crazy.
00:57:30.302 --> 00:57:33.142
Yeah. I mean, look, there's so many to, let's, let's speak upon,
00:57:33.142 --> 00:57:35.552
uh, if you guys have a question, by all means, ask which one you know about,
00:57:35.552 --> 00:57:38.922
like, we've got like Crossfade, we got Eagle Eye, you know, your choice.
00:57:38.922 --> 00:57:41.499
Like, what would you like to sort of share?
00:57:41.783 --> 00:57:48.624
Crossfades i i really like crossfade because it kind of goes along with
00:57:48.989 --> 00:57:52.062
this it's a really good example what i like to talk about i was talking about
00:57:52.062 --> 00:57:56.622
in eric's book where where i talk about like the magic sponge and that's sponge
00:57:56.622 --> 00:58:00.691
being the the the resources that you have,
00:58:01.431 --> 00:58:06.673
and we will try to squeeze as much magic out of the magic sponge as possible right,
00:58:07.579 --> 00:58:12.582
but then the question is okay great you squeeze as much as you can now let's
00:58:12.582 --> 00:58:14.844
take some scissors cut the magic sponge in half,
00:58:15.783 --> 00:58:22.607
And can you squeeze as much magic as you just did out of half a sponge as when you had a full sponge?
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.112
And that's what I like with CrossFit, because really it does something very
00:58:28.112 --> 00:58:34.292
similar to a lot of those, like Eric Jones has Twisted and all these vanishing
00:58:34.292 --> 00:58:36.793
card in a sandwich type thing, right?
00:58:37.812 --> 00:58:46.552
But the idea here is you have, I didn't want an extra card, an extra thickness.
00:58:46.552 --> 00:58:52.112
I didn't want breakable material that might not square up flush all the time.
00:58:52.112 --> 00:58:56.152
You might have to maintain it. You might have to fix it. You might have to replace it, right?
00:58:56.612 --> 00:59:01.808
So with this, I got rid of that, right? So you're cutting the sponge in half.
00:59:02.574 --> 00:59:08.652
But because I'm doing a different method now, you get a very crazy slow motion
00:59:08.972 --> 00:59:12.571
advantage that you didn't get with the original right so you're,
00:59:13.198 --> 00:59:21.012
you're taking away some of the sponge but still getting not only the same but
00:59:21.012 --> 00:59:24.825
in some ways of thinking about it you're getting more right,
00:59:25.752 --> 00:59:30.012
so that's that's why crossfit is pretty special to me but it's also it it plays
00:59:30.012 --> 00:59:34.048
really well in the real world too so that's one of those that I do like to just,
00:59:34.952 --> 00:59:38.425
keep in my deck and do at the moment. So it's a big game.
00:59:39.103 --> 00:59:42.242
Now, buddy, we are going into overtime and I don't want to push our friendship,
00:59:42.242 --> 00:59:46.012
but I had like some rapid fires and one very interesting question.
00:59:46.432 --> 00:59:50.012
Can I keep you? Like, do we have to go? Yeah, of course. All right.
00:59:50.660 --> 00:59:53.992
I'm going to try rapid fire this and I'm so sorry if it breeds into like a massive
00:59:53.992 --> 00:59:58.112
Kevin Costner speech, but I want to know like, what's one trick that you wish
00:59:58.112 --> 01:00:00.752
you invented? Like most folks like, oh, I wish I did double cross.
01:00:00.752 --> 01:00:03.104
Oh, that's a great question. I wish I had a good answer for you,
01:00:03.439 --> 01:00:05.320
a trick that I wish I invented.
01:00:07.022 --> 01:00:11.392
For me, it's toolbox, David Stone's toolbox. Toolbox. Oh, tool.
01:00:11.392 --> 01:00:14.347
Oh, tool. Yeah, the tool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:15.296 --> 01:00:21.444
I'm going to go with Paul Harris's PH Breakthrough. Ah, interesting choice.
01:00:22.082 --> 01:00:23.971
Another one? Yeah, yeah.
01:00:24.761 --> 01:00:29.507
Who is the creative magician you've, well, let me reword that a bit better.
01:00:29.687 --> 01:00:33.025
Who's the most creative person magically you've ever met?
01:00:34.086 --> 01:00:36.710
The most creative one I've ever met?
01:00:39.882 --> 01:00:46.342
I'll give you Tobias Dostal of course and then I'll give you one as well Felice
01:00:46.342 --> 01:00:53.071
Ling new name yeah she's fantastic if you don't know her work you need to look her up she's phenomenal,
01:00:54.348 --> 01:01:00.826
her name again is Felice Ling Felice Ling she's also in Eric's book actually,
01:01:01.904 --> 01:01:08.622
alright yep actually yeah I remember her chapter being quite interesting so let's go with uh,
01:01:09.950 --> 01:01:11.720
what's the worst idea you ever had for a trick.
01:01:14.422 --> 01:01:17.739
I it's probably my my my newest idea,
01:01:19.202 --> 01:01:25.922
which is a a cup a copper silver transpo right it's just one oreo cookie and
01:01:25.922 --> 01:01:28.823
it's the two halves of the cookie so one's the cream side and one's,
01:01:29.938 --> 01:01:36.498
one's the uncreamed side and they keep switching places okay that's fun Mm-hmm.
01:01:38.674 --> 01:01:42.184
What's an everyday object you've always wanted to turn into a magic trick but
01:01:42.184 --> 01:01:44.054
haven't quite figured out how to do it?
01:01:45.174 --> 01:01:48.924
I don't know if that's exactly what you're looking for, but I've always wanted
01:01:48.924 --> 01:01:53.088
to come up with a good two-deck trick. Oh. Right.
01:01:54.974 --> 01:02:00.134
I haven't found any two-deck tricks that I really love. And that's an area that
01:02:00.134 --> 01:02:02.674
I think I can explore and come up with a good two-deck trick.
01:02:02.674 --> 01:02:08.167
So it's not a unique item, but it's something that I am actively trying to figure out.
01:02:08.603 --> 01:02:11.544
That's a good challenge. If you were banned from performing card magic for the
01:02:11.544 --> 01:02:14.454
rest of your life, what else would you be performing with?
01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:19.650
Dollar bills with what dollar bills dollar bills.
01:02:21.136 --> 01:02:25.430
What's one trick you perform that still genuinely like fools you even though
01:02:25.430 --> 01:02:31.270
you know how it works oh brainchild kind of fools fools you when you're like
01:02:31.270 --> 01:02:33.670
there's no way this actually worked and it does work and.
01:02:34.650 --> 01:02:39.331
We're talking about not my own material david jonathan has a trick called threesome
01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:44.250
which fools me every single time what's that effect it's basically a card is
01:02:44.250 --> 01:02:48.964
selected and just genuinely lost in the middle you're not controlling it it's genuinely lost,
01:02:49.638 --> 01:02:55.902
in the middle and then three other cards are randomly selected they are added up,
01:02:56.650 --> 01:03:01.335
and the total of those three cards is the position down that the selection is,
01:03:02.076 --> 01:03:07.160
wow surprised me every time and when when you learn and i recommend everybody
01:03:07.160 --> 01:03:08.480
going and purchasing that.
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:09.600
I think it's still available on
01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:13.012
Penguin, or you can go on David Jonathan's website and buy it, I'm sure.
01:03:13.568 --> 01:03:17.140
When you learn it, it'll fry you too. You'll do it, and it'll work,
01:03:17.140 --> 01:03:19.268
but you won't know how it works. Wow.
01:03:19.894 --> 01:03:24.013
Okay, two more questions. The best piece of advice another magician ever given you?
01:03:24.809 --> 01:03:28.230
I'm going to have to go back to the Dan Harlan thing. I'd rather manipulate
01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:30.470
the world around me than have a gimmick for me.
01:03:30.946 --> 01:03:34.390
Yeah, perfect. Now, this last question, it's something that I found out about
01:03:34.390 --> 01:03:39.100
yourself I was totally unaware of, and I came across some information about
01:03:39.100 --> 01:03:42.712
you back in 2021 i was whilst researching yourself,
01:03:43.546 --> 01:03:49.082
this has nothing to do with magic but you donated a kidney to someone that you,
01:03:49.563 --> 01:03:51.456
didn't even know wasn't related to,
01:03:52.089 --> 01:03:57.690
yeah i i know her now actually but but no i didn't know her before i knew her
01:03:57.690 --> 01:04:02.105
daughter but i didn't know her wow okay so the legends are true man like.
01:04:03.601 --> 01:04:07.461
Let's let's let's finish with this story just to yeah and then we'll close it
01:04:07.461 --> 01:04:09.880
out so tell us what happened back in 2021,
01:04:10.596 --> 01:04:16.261
you literally gave a big piece of yourself yeah i so i used to love watching
01:04:16.261 --> 01:04:19.541
the show american ninja warrior and there was a,
01:04:20.141 --> 01:04:23.571
guy on there who i think was younger than me and he was doing really well and
01:04:23.571 --> 01:04:27.221
he would always come up he would always wear his shirt that says share your
01:04:27.221 --> 01:04:29.686
spare because he had donated a kidney,
01:04:30.314 --> 01:04:33.960
and I hadn't thought of it as a spare prior to that.
01:04:34.262 --> 01:04:37.991
And I thought, yeah, if you only need one, I would feel guilty about having
01:04:37.991 --> 01:04:41.239
two when some people don't have any that are working properly.
01:04:41.932 --> 01:04:46.141
So I decided that I wanted to do that, but I didn't, you know,
01:04:46.141 --> 01:04:48.301
I didn't really have a preference as to who, to whom.
01:04:48.301 --> 01:04:55.801
And so I, I, when I found out that she was looking for one via a facebook post from daughter,
01:04:57.454 --> 01:05:02.291
she must be one of the most beloved people in the world because like 15 i forget
01:05:02.291 --> 01:05:07.642
what the number was 15 to 20 people like reached out or willing to donate a kidney to her,
01:05:09.261 --> 01:05:14.891
and it wasn't going to be me it was going to be a another lady who was a perfect
01:05:14.891 --> 01:05:20.151
match and they were moving forward with her then she got pregnant so she wasn't
01:05:20.151 --> 01:05:23.075
able to donate in the timeline that they needed her to,
01:05:24.017 --> 01:05:26.150
so then it went to me wow yeah.
01:05:28.076 --> 01:05:31.681
That's the type of guy carl pernell is everybody that's the type of guy he is
01:05:32.001 --> 01:05:35.607
like big hot healthy kidneys,
01:05:38.723 --> 01:05:41.601
all around great dude one singular yeah.
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:51.190
Yeah. Like I said at the start of this chat, there's always one person that
01:05:51.190 --> 01:05:55.898
really affects me after a hangout at Magic Live. There's typically one.
01:05:56.386 --> 01:06:01.371
And this year's adventure was meeting and hanging out with Kyle Purnell.
01:06:01.940 --> 01:06:08.670
And after this interview, I just admire you and adore you 10 times as much as
01:06:08.670 --> 01:06:10.400
before I caught the plane and flew home.
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.470
Kyle, again, thank you so much for being on the show and friends,
01:06:14.470 --> 01:06:18.360
if you enjoyed it, do scope out all Kyle's stuff. We'll of course finish this
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.360
episode the way we do all of our episodes by giving you, Kyle,
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.030
the final word. Again, everyone loved it. The chat is fully lit.
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Please do come back for another in chat sometime. Would you do that for us? 100%.
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Amazing. All right, buddy, I'm going to leave you with the final word.
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Hey Kyle Pernell here And I just wanted to thank Nick and everybody With the
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Magic Guys for having me on Remember that it's always better to manipulate the
01:06:46.810 --> 01:06:49.300
world around you Than have a gimmick for you
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Feel free to check out all my stuff on Penguin Magic And Vanishing Inc.
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:58.730
And wherever you buy Magic Any support is fantastic This is the way that I support
01:06:58.730 --> 01:07:03.120
myself and my three kids So thanks so much for being a part of it Let's be Facebook
01:07:03.120 --> 01:07:05.267
friends And until next time, we'll see you later.
01:07:07.747 --> 01:07:12.400
Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.