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Hey, welcome back to the program.
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About a dozen hours ago, there was a raid carried out at the home of member of Congress, Ilhan Omar, also a member of the uh Democrat Party.
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Uh, Ilhan Omar is not my favorite member of the United States Congress, although for talk shows like mine, she provides us uh, well, good material on a daily basis, to put it politely.
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Federal agents have raided Congresswoman Ilan Omar's home, but it may come down to her dad's old paperwork.
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Could she lose her American citizenship over that?
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Darren Smallcomb joins me now, who's an immigration attorney and author of Securing America's Future and the founder of Modern Law Group.
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Ms.
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Smallcomb, welcome to the program.
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How are you?
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I'm glad to be back, Lars.
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I'm doing well.
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Thanks.
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So give me your initial impression of the idea that they carried out this raid at Ilhan Omar's house because a lot of us have had uh concerns about the status and the legitimacy of her American citizenship.
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Yeah, that's been a topic of conversation for many years now between uh alleged marriage to the brother, all the way back to her naturalization.
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And it seems to me that a lot of uh time and um effort was put into uh today's happening.
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So they actually did go out and get a warrant from a judge before this happened.
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And to get a warrant from a judge for this type of search, you have to have pretty solid evidence that you're gonna find something specific that's going towards a crime.
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And they did carry out that raid this morning.
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Um, it does seem that they left the um premises with uh boxes of evidence, and it seems that they're hinting at more than anything something to do with denaturalization.
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Yep.
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Well, and in fact, so let me ask you about denaturalization.
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Since she was a naturalized American, most I mean, the the worst crime that an American citizen born here in this country could commit, they still could not have their citizenship removed.
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But somebody naturalized can have their citizenship removed?
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They can.
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Um there's a couple ways.
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Very, very serious crimes um could result in you getting stripped of your citizenship depending on the timing of certain crimes.
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Um, but the one that they would be looking at here, in my estimation, is denaturalization based on fraudulent obtention of the actual citizenship itself.
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And so if somebody were to lie on an application and the end result of that lie or that fraud uh that they're perpetuating results in them getting citizenship, then the government can go back and look at that and say, hey, look, we would have never actually given you citizenship in the first place if we had known or if you had been honest with us.
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And because of that, then they could denaturalize you.
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And that's the most common way.
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I'm talking to Darren Smallcomb, who's an immigration attorney and author of Securing America's Future.
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So let me ask you this.
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Um, that's the thing that had me ask.
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I mean, as much as I don't really care for uh member of Congress, uh Ilhan Omar, uh, I wondered about the raid, because I thought they would have had to go to a judge with something that amounted to probable cause, saying, we expect that there is evidence of this crime in her home there in Washington, D.C.
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What in the world would that be that that she that they might be able to put their hands on that would put a lie to the application that was put in, what, 30 plus years ago to turn her into an American citizen back then?
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Yeah, that's the speculation.
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I mean, what type, you know, what type of evidence would she be carrying around that would uh incriminate her in some sort of a crime?
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And that makes me think that if I were guessing and speculating, I think denaturalization is one of the prongs in which they're uh investigating.
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If I were to guess it to a second, it would be something having to do with fraud um in Minnesota that's been happening over these past years, and that somehow there's some evidence that she would be involved in that.
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That's more current, more likely.
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It could uh amount to financial records or something of this nature.
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And again, I'm speculating, but that seems more likely to me than finding something that was on her father's paperwork 30 plus years ago.
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Okay, and so I'm also curious.
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I mean, you mentioned it because we've talked about it on the show before.
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Did she marry her brother?
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Did she commit immigration fraud?
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Well, there's certainly a lot of evidence to suggest that she did.
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Um, I don't think there's anything that's conclusive.
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It certainly hasn't been proven in court.
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And but here's the thing is as that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the news this morning.
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But when you look at me both.
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Straight minds thinking, Darren.
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But there's a statute of limitations on that crime.
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Uh if there was a crime, you can't do that.
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There is what there is, and it only goes about five years on something like that, unless there was something to perpetuate the crime, like a conspiracy that was ongoing.
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So that happened in 2009, which means the statute of limitations would have run to about 2014, absent anything beyond.
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Hold on, but I and I understand if you could show that it's an ongoing criminal enterprise, hasn't she taken steps since she got into the United States Congress to try to conceal uh uh whether or not she ever was married to her brother or not?
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And could that be enough to consider it an ongoing criminal enterprise?
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I mean, I think it's enough to consider it and bring it to a discussion point.
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But unless she was saying something under oath or in furtherance of her position, for example, uh, I think that would be hard to prove if she was giving like interviews, for example, to the media, saying, ah, this is all a bunch of baloney, for example.
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That probably wouldn't rise to the level of perpetuating an ongoing criminal enterprise.
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Um, but it doesn't mean that it won't be discussed, because certainly, like we already mentioned, it was the first thing that both you and I thought about.
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And of course, now, does it amaze you that there were all these people who had no problem with raids on Mar-a-Lago, raids on the president, raids on uh his attorneys, raids on Rudy Giuliani, raids on all these people, but the minute they raid Ilhan Omar, it's an outrage and the end of civilization.
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Yeah, I read a great quote.
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Um democracy rests on the rule of law.
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And when someone, no matter how powerful they are, is suspected of a criminal act, our justice system investigates charges and convicts them in accordance with due process.
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Now it's up to all of us as citizens and elected leaders to support accountability and follow the facts where they lead.
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No one is above the law.
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And that quote comes from Ilhan Omar.
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And um I think it's a bit ironic that um now the tables have turned a little bit.
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And uh the great thing, though, about this country, uh, Lars, is that generally when it does come to the courts, you do see fairness for the most part.
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Um, and yeah, that's where these things need to take place because these are serious accusations and they need to be put in front of a trier of fact that is unbiased so that the correct decision could be made.
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And that's in all of our interests, no matter what side of the aisle you sit on.
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Well, you know what I'm gonna enjoy watching, Darren, is I know they're gonna be trying to spin this thing like crazy.
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Because whatever it is they may have taken out of her house, and uh, I'm trying to imagine too, if you knew that people were raising the question about the legitimacy of your own citizenship or marriage to your brother or whatever it happened to be, wouldn't you think you would have cleansed your home and all your files and everything else of every single thing that might implicate you in that?
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At least I would think that's what most felonious type people would do.
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That's Darren Smallcomb.
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Darren is an immigration attorney, author of Securing America's Future, and the founder of Modern Law Group.
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Darren, thank you very much.
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I appreciate the time.
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Glad to get your calls at eight six six, hey Lars.
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Hey, welcome back to the program.
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It's a pleasure to be with you.
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I'm glad to get to your phone calls and emails.
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About a dozen hours ago, there was a raid carried out at the home of member of Congress, Ilhan Omar, also a member of the uh Democrat Party.
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Uh, Ilhan Omar is not my favorite member of the United States Congress, although for talk shows like mine, she provides us uh, well, good material on a daily basis, to put it politely.
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Federal agents have raided Congresswoman Ilan Omar's home, but it may come down to her dad's old paperwork.
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Could she lose her American citizenship over that?
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Darren Smallcomb joins me now, who's an immigration attorney and author of Securing America's Future and the founder of Modern Law Group.
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Ms.
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Smallcomb, welcome to the program.
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How are you?
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I'm glad to be back, Lars.
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I'm doing well.
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Thanks.
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So give me your initial impression of the idea that they carried out this raid at Ilhan Omar's house because a lot of us have had uh concerns about the status and the legitimacy of her American citizenship.
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Yeah, that's been a topic of conversation for many years now between uh alleged marriage to the brother, all the way back to her naturalization.
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And it seems to me that a lot of uh time and um effort was put into uh today's happening.
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So they actually did go out and get a warrant from a judge before this happened.
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And to get a warrant from a judge for this type of search, you have to have pretty solid evidence that you're gonna find something specific that's going towards a crime.
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And they did carry out that raid this morning.
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Um, it does seem that they left the um premises with uh boxes of evidence, and it seems that they're hinting at more than anything something to do with denaturalization.
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Yep.
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Well, and in fact, so let me ask you about denaturalization.
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Since she was a naturalized American, most I mean, the the worst crime that an American citizen born here in this country could commit, they still could not have their citizenship removed.
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But somebody naturalized can have their citizenship removed?
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They can.
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Um there's a couple ways.
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Very, very serious crimes um could result in you getting stripped of your citizenship depending on the timing of certain crimes.
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Um, but the one that they would be looking at here, in my estimation, is denaturalization based on fraudulent obtention of the actual citizenship itself.
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And so if somebody were to lie on an application and the end result of that lie or that fraud uh that they're perpetuating results in them getting citizenship, then the government can go back and look at that and say, hey, look, we would have never actually given you citizenship in the first place if we had known or if you had been honest with us.
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And because of that, then they could denaturalize you.
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And that's the most common way.
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I'm talking to Darren Smallcomb, who's an immigration attorney and author of Securing America's Future.
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So let me ask you this.
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Um, that's the thing that had me ask.
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I mean, as much as I don't really care for uh member of Congress, uh Ilhan Omar, uh, I wondered about the raid, because I thought they would have had to go to a judge with something that amounted to probable cause, saying, we expect that there is evidence of this crime in her home there in Washington, D.C.
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What in the world would that be that that she that they might be able to put their hands on that would put a lie to the application that was put in, what, 30 plus years ago to turn her into an American citizen back then?
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Yeah, that's the speculation.
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I mean, what type, you know, what type of evidence would she be carrying around that would uh incriminate her in some sort of a crime?
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And that makes me think that if I were guessing and speculating, I think denaturalization is one of the prongs in which they're uh investigating.
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If I were to guess it to a second, it would be something having to do with fraud um in Minnesota that's been happening over these past years, and that somehow there's some evidence that she would be involved in that.
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That's more current, more likely.
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It could uh amount to financial records or something of this nature.
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And again, I'm speculating, but that seems more likely to me than finding something that was on her father's paperwork 30 plus years ago.
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Okay, and so I'm also curious.
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I mean, you mentioned it because we've talked about it on the show before.
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Did she marry her brother?
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Did she commit immigration fraud?
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Well, there's certainly a lot of evidence to suggest that she did.
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Um, I don't think there's anything that's conclusive.
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It certainly hasn't been proven in court.
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And but here's the thing is as that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the news this morning.
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But when you look at me both.
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Straight minds thinking, Darren.
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But there's a statute of limitations on that crime.
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Uh if there was a crime, you can't do that.
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There is what there is, and it only goes about five years on something like that, unless there was something to perpetuate the crime, like a conspiracy that was ongoing.
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So that happened in 2009, which means the statute of limitations would have run to about 2014, absent anything beyond.
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Hold on, but I and I understand if you could show that it's an ongoing criminal enterprise, hasn't she taken steps since she got into the United States Congress to try to conceal uh uh whether or not she ever was married to her brother or not?
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And could that be enough to consider it an ongoing criminal enterprise?
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I mean, I think it's enough to consider it and bring it to a discussion point.
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But unless she was saying something under oath or in furtherance of her position, for example, uh, I think that would be hard to prove if she was giving like interviews, for example, to the media, saying, ah, this is all a bunch of baloney, for example.
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That probably wouldn't rise to the level of perpetuating an ongoing criminal enterprise.
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Um, but it doesn't mean that it won't be discussed, because certainly, like we already mentioned, it was the first thing that both you and I thought about.
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And of course, now, does it amaze you that there were all these people who had no problem with raids on Mar-a-Lago, raids on the president, raids on uh his attorneys, raids on Rudy Giuliani, raids on all these people, but the minute they raid Ilhan Omar, it's an outrage and the end of civilization.
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Yeah, I read a great quote.
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Um democracy rests on the rule of law.
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And when someone, no matter how powerful they are, is suspected of a criminal act, our justice system investigates charges and convicts them in accordance with due process.
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Now it's up to all of us as citizens and elected leaders to support accountability and follow the facts where they lead.
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No one is above the law.
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And that quote comes from Ilhan Omar.
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And um I think it's a bit ironic that um now the tables have turned a little bit.
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And uh the great thing, though, about this country, uh, Lars, is that generally when it does come to the courts, you do see fairness for the most part.
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Um, and yeah, that's where these things need to take place because these are serious accusations and they need to be put in front of a trier of fact that is unbiased so that the correct decision could be made.
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And that's in all of our interests, no matter what side of the aisle you sit on.
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Well, you know what I'm gonna enjoy watching, Darren, is I know they're gonna be trying to spin this thing like crazy.
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Because whatever it is they may have taken out of her house, and uh, I'm trying to imagine too, if you knew that people were raising the question about the legitimacy of your own citizenship or marriage to your brother or whatever it happened to be, wouldn't you think you would have cleansed your home and all your files and everything else of every single thing that might implicate you in that?
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At least I would think that's what most felonious type people would do.
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That's Darren Smallcomb.
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Darren is an immigration attorney, author of Securing America's Future, and the founder of Modern Law Group.
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Darren, thank you very much.
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I appreciate the time.
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Glad to get your calls at eight six six, hey Lars.
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That's eight six six four three nine five two seven seven.
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