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Welcome to a world of mystery.
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A world so dark that you can barely see it.
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A world where the macabre becomes a reality, and your reality becomes a screen.
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Coming to you from Lincoln, Nebraska, here is your host, Kane Stevens.
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But Kane Stevens, Paranormal Super Super Show.
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All right, everybody.
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Welcome back to the Kane Stevens Paranormal Super Show.
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You guys made it back.
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You made it to the spooky side of town, and you found your spooky captain for the evening.
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It is me, it is Kane Stevens, and I am so glad to be talking to you guys here on the FM dial and really bringing my brand of what I do to you guys.
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And I have a treat for you guys tonight.
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I want you guys to buckle up.
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I want you to keep your arms and legs in the vehicle.
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And I want you guys to enjoy the ride because it's going to be a fantastic one.
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I'm going to do something.
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I'm going to bring on a person that I respect so much for so many reasons.
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He's one of my favorite people.
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He's a very uh I find him to be a super intellectual guy.
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Maybe just because I'm a dumb guy, I don't know.
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But I think that he's great.
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And uh, I don't know.
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I just look up to this guy and he's gonna bring a perspective that we don't get to talk about a lot on the paranormal side of things.
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Uh, we're gonna talk about the supernatural, but we're also gonna dive into the biblical side of the supernatural and get the church's perspective of what we're looking what we're dealing with here, what we're looking at.
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So buckle up everybody and just just join us for this uh this incredible journey into what I can only hope is going to be a great conversation.
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So I'm gonna bring him on right now.
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He is a champion power lifter, he is a pastor here in town uh at Calvary Community Church.
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He is a guy who loves 80s action flicks as much as I do.
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He loves the WWF in all of its glory from when it was uh you know late 80s, early 90s gold.
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He is a guy that I go to lunch with, and we also enjoy the fine cuisine here in Lincoln.
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He is Pastor Steve Davenport.
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Steve, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing wonderful.
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Honored to be on your show.
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Man, it it's great having you.
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Uh, you know, I I listened to your sermons online.
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Uh, I've I I had a hard time growing up.
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I was very uh skeptical of the church and of a lot of the pastors, and no offense to them.
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You know, yeah, this is not an indoctrination or uh maybe I need a better word for that, but this is not me going after the church.
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I'm just saying I never really connected with any of the pastors that I saw before.
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Uh, but when I first saw your style and how you tied in the history, and I don't know, it's your delivery, it's your bringing in uh all sorts of things, nostalgia.
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You really just kind of hit me right in the heart at the right times.
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And I just, to be honest with you, I really enjoy the way you deliver the good book, my friend.
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Well, you know, I don't know how in the world people can take the greatest book ever written and bore people to tears with it.
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I mean, to me, that's somewhat of a mystery.
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Um, you know, Jesus obviously came to be the truth of the way, the truth, and the life.
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And uh even if you don't accept his claim to be the son of God, you know, skeptics have looked at his life and say he's the greatest human being who ever lived.
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I mean, obviously the world is a much better place because of Jesus, but you know, there is this thing throughout his his time on earth, he did claim to be the son of God, and that's what sets um, you know, the Christian belief in Jesus, say, from the secular acknowledgement that Jesus was a philosopher, a great teacher.
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Um, you know, and the Bible is a supernatural book.
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Um, the Bible is full of supernatural events.
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There's there's we've talked about this before, there's three ways of viewing reality.
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Philosophy is the quest for what is true or what is real, and then also how we know it to be true and real.
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Um, and there's three different ways of viewing reality.
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One is is naturalism.
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Basically, there's nothing that's real, um, that's not natural, that's not material.
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If you can't perceive it with the senses, then well, it simply doesn't exist.
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Secondly, there is a non-natural worldview, and that is the worldview that is held by uh Buddhists, Hindus, um, Shintoism, Taoism, the religions of the Far East that says that anything physical is but an illusion of the spiritual, that everything is spiritual.
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Going back to naturalism, that is the view of secular humanism, uh, Marxism, postmodernism, they totally deny anything in that that would be spiritual.
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The non-natural worldview does the opposite.
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They deny anything that is material.
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So the the laptop that I'm I'm talking to you from is not really a laptop, it is an illusion of something that is spiritual.
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Our bodies, you know, the the Star Wars movies that we all love and adore is full of non-naturalism philosophy.
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Um, yeah, they're uh unlike pastors, I don't think we should withdraw from society and and not engage in entertainment.
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Of course not.
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I just think that when you watch certain things, you need to know the perspective and the angle they come from.
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It's probably not a good idea to shape your the philosophy that governs your life on a movie.
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But you can still enjoy that movie, you know.
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And then, of course, there's the third, the third view is supernaturalism, and that says that reality is is comprised of both natural and non-natural elements, and and that is the worldview that is depicted in the Bible.
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We have a God, an eternal God, who's always been, who always will be.
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He exists outside of time and space.
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He created time and space, and he created beings that inhabit time and space.
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That's the physical world that we see around us.
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He also made man, and man is material, immaterial composition, meaning that we have a physical body.
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When it dies, then there's a there's an immaterial part of us that goes on and lives forever.
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Um, then the Bible teaches it lives forever in one of two places, it lives either in heaven or it lives in hell, depending on how you answered the Jesus question.
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Um, but the Bible is a supernatural book, it is filled with supernatural elements.
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Um you know, when you talk about the miracles, okay, miracles are supernatural, whether it's Moses' rod turning into a snake in Egypt.
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Notice that the the magicians uh in Pharaoh's court were able to duplicate that.
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Um, so obviously there is good supernaturalism and there's bad supernaturalism.
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Um some of the plagues of Egypt that Moses brought, uh, they were not able to duplicate.
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Uh, the parting of the Red Sea, obviously, big supernatural event.
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Those are things that you don't normally see happening in nature.
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Um the the the dead coming back to life.
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That obviously is a supernatural event.
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The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
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That is a supernatural event.
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And so you also have things along the spooky round, too, in the Bible.
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You have uh when when Saul uh could no longer hear from God through prophets because of his hardened heart, what did he do?
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He engaged the services of a necromancer, and it was something was forbidden in the scriptures.
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And Saul goes and he enlists the services of this necromancer, and she says, Who do you want me to call up?
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And he says, Call up Samuel.
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Well, this particular necromancer, she she obviously had a familiar spirit.
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That is what the old King James translated, meaning that she was familiar, she was in regular contact with a demon who could imitate the dead.
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And so she said, Who shall I call up?
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And she was letting her familiar spirit know, I need you to imitate Samuel.
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Well, something strange happened.
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God allowed Samuel to leave paradise where his soul was and actually make it back to earth.
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And he told Saul, You're done, you're finished, you've crossed the line here.
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I mean, God's been very merciful to you now for a long time, and you have rebelled and you've done wrong, and now you have this this particular sin here of necromancy is the last straw for you, and not only for you, but for your sons, because of your sin, tomorrow you and your sons will all die in battle, which he did.
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So scriptures are just so filled with with supernatural uh events.
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Uh well, one of the more frightening stories in all the Bible is in the Gospel of Mark and Luke, where uh the the Mark and Luke record the story of a man who was demon-possessed, and he was so possessed by demons, multiple demons, a legion of demons, that he ran around naked, had no clothes, so he had no shame whatsoever.
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Uh he dwelled in the tombs, which those things which were normally repulsive to us, he was completely comfortable living among rotting horses.
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Um very bizarre behavior.
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He was self-mutilating, he was crying out aloud.
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The the mental anguish this this man was in just had to be something that's almost incomprehensible.
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And uh they they bound him with chains.
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He was such a threat to himself and others, they bound him with chains, and yet because of the demonic presence in him, he was so strong he could break those chains.
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And so literally, this man was terrorizing the the entire region of Decapolis, which was ten towns.
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And um story ended really well.
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Jesus quit teaching the multitudes, he crossed the sea, he encountered a storm.
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I believe that storm was a supernatural storm.
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I don't believe the demons wanted him, and the demons do have some control of the elements.
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Anyway, Jesus calmed the winds and the waves, he gets off the boat, the disciples won't know part of this.
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They know who lives in this area, they know why people avoid this area.
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And it didn't bother Jesus, and he went and um they didn't even have to call the man out.
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The man knew Christ was there, and he ran and fell at his feet.
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And the demons said, Do not torment us before this time.
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Meaning, there we know there's a judgment coming.
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Just please don't throw us in the abyss of the bottomless pit.
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And uh Jesus cast the demons out of the man, and the disciples finally summoned the courage to get off the boat.
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They want to see what's happening, and they find Jesus, and here's the man sitting at his feet.
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He's clothed, he's in his right mind, and he wants to be disciple number 13.
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He said, Jesus, you got room for one more?
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And uh he says, No, here's what I want.
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I want I want you to go around all these towns.
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I want you to walk into town now, and I want you to show them what I've done for you.
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And and he became one of the greatest witnesses to Christ, you know, during his earthly ministry.
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But uh, you know, people understand that when you read the gospels, 25% of Christ's earthly ministry involved direct confrontation with demonic powers.
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And here in the West, we're only getting on board this train because we're starting to see more and more uh paranormal activity.
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And I and I and you know, it's it's my opinion, and I believe that it aligns with scripture, that paranormal activity is in line with is is is uh the result of demons.
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Um that people are truly seeing something that is real, they're experiencing something that is real, it should be taken seriously, and that's where modern psychology came gets it wrong.
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Most of our modern psychologists are trained in the naturalist worldview that you know man is nothing but molecules, and there's no immaterial part of us.
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And I have visited a lot of people in different psychiatric wards that, frankly, uh the medical community is unable to help because we're more than just molecules.
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There's a spiritual aspect of that's there's spiritual warfare that's going on.
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There are demons, they do afflict human beings, uh, they do possess certain human beings, and you're not going to make that any better by swallowing a pill.
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Now, and I'm not downing psychiatric medication.
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If you're listening and you're on psychiatric medication, you do what your doctor says do.
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But I'm just saying that if your depression that you're experiencing is because of guilt, uh, there's only one, there's only one way to remedy that, and that's through repentance and restoration to Christ.
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Um, and he can help you do that.
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It doesn't matter what you've done, doesn't matter what you're guilty of.
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He's he's able to save anybody.
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Um But I do think a number of years ago, I was I was in a psychiatric ward.
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I had there's a young lady who's coming our youth crew, beautiful young lady, and I I heard that she had cut herself.
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And um I was familiar with the practice of cutting.
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I'd studied it because a lot of kids were doing it.
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And literally, just like the man in the gospels, he was cutting himself.
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That the mental anguish can be so great that the only relief is to inflict physical anguish.
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And that that that temporary physical pain actually takes your mind off the mental pain.
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That's what demons can do to us.
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This young lady, she had not just made a uh a slit across her wrist, she actually cut herself from wrist all the way to elbow.
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And do you imagine the concentration it would take to do that to yourself?
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She did it to both both of her arms, and then she did it to her groin.
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And so it was obvious that the demonic presence that was influencing her or even possessing her was um wanted her to die.
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You know, wanted to kill her.
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In the New Testament, there was a young boy who was demon-possessed.
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What did he do?
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He the father came to the disciples and said, I need help.
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Every time he goes by a body of water, the demon throws him in, or fire, he throws him in, trying to drown him, trying to burn him to death.
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And this demon was so powerful the disciples couldn't help him, so they brought him to Jesus, and of course, Jesus was able to help him.
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But um it's uh the the devil is it specializes in three things.
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He comes to steal, he comes to kill, and he comes to destroy.
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And when you see demonic presence in people's life, you see these types of activities.
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The most pronounced, of course, is self-destruction.
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And it's uh it's very real in our culture, and it's something that we better wake up to and just stop dismissing it as well, you're just imagining things, you're just seeing things.
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Cain, usually every year, somebody comes to me as a pastor with a paranormal problem.
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Uh, something in their house, you know, um, usually it's something in their house.
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And uh number of years ago, uh a young lady called me.
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She was in uh, I was pastoring in North Dakota at the time.
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She still lived here in Lincoln, and sweet girl.
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And she'd had a she'd had a daughter and they were living in an apartment, and and she said, uh, Pastor, I'm calling you because nobody else believed me.
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My parents don't believe me, my pastor didn't believe me.
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And she described to me the entity that she had seen, that her daughter had seen, and that a guest who came over to spend the night had seen.
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So here's three eyewitnesses.
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And I said, Um, you are experiencing something that is demonic.
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And then I asked her a few questions.
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You know, have you have you played with a Ouija board?
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Have you um, you know, had to ask a very personal question?
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Have you been sexually molested?
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Um there seems to be, Cain, a link between the sexual abuse of minors and and demon possession.
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Not in every case.
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I think in extreme cases, it opens a pathway uh so that demons can possess someone.
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Certainly um demons can oppress.
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Okay, there's a difference between possess and oppress.
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Oppress means they attack you from without, they can afflict you, possession means they actually come in and they take control of your mind.
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And and that's where split personalities um come into affect.
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And and I mean I'm dealing with a young man right now who's who manifests all of those characteristics.
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Um once again, he he he's confessed to me that when he was a young man, he he he was involved in the occult quite heavily and you know actually did some things where he invited these demons to come in.
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And um, you know, he's attending church now on Sunday.
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He can be the sweetest young man, help anybody, love everybody, but then in the night, this demon will take him, and I will start getting texts written in all caps, speaking unspeakable things, mostly talking about harming himself.
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And um, you know, we we've we've had to we've had to get him professional help, but um unfortunately, professional help is no help when it comes to uh dealing with the something like this.
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You just need we need to adjust your medication, and that you know that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't get rid of that demon that took him many years ago.
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Dolling the senses, isn't it?
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I mean, that's really all doing with this medication is they're they're just dulling the senses.
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But uh, I mean, for the listener out there, uh, I know a lot of you, uh, especially in this realm of radio, you guys are probably naysayers in a lot of this.
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And now I think it's important to bring this perspective to you because one, they sensationalize on all of our entertainment.
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And trust me, we all watch the same shows.
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We all they sensationalize the demonic and and this.
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It's very interesting.
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Uh, we're kind of in like a we're kind of in like a battlefield scenario of what what is being sensationalized in our entertainment and what isn't.
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I mean, it's nonstop.
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I've heard you talk about it uh many times with me about and and through sermons and different things about how Hollywood it's almost like they have this strange agenda, right?
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Like they want to make it so um so fantastic and so so normal that this is what this is what regular life is supposed to look like for everybody.
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And to me, it's the most terrifying thing, Steve.
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To me, uh, there's nothing more terrifying than the demonic.
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And I've seen some things in my investigations.
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I've lived in a house where I had to call a priest.
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I I actually called the Catholic Church, begged them to come out.
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They wouldn't come out at first.
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They did come out eventually.
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I said, I have little children here, I have things going on.
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I've been I've been grabbed by my ankle by something that's not there and pulled backwards.
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Now, Steve's a big guy, I'm also a big guy.
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It would take a certain force to be able, I'm not saying it pulled me across the room like the movies.
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I'm saying something, I felt a hand around my ankle pull me backwards, and that has sent me on a collision course with what the heck is this going on?
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Right.
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Um, but when I it's very real, it is, and it's very it's very serious, and uh I mean the the the comforting thought of this is that that we can go to the Bible for answers.
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You know, it I understand that probably a lot of your listening audience is is probably not Christian, but you know, who do you're gonna who are you gonna turn to for absolute truth?
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You're either gonna turn to man or you're gonna turn to God.
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You know, I I happen to believe this book here that I hold in my hand is is the word of God.
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It's inspired.
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Um, you know, God used 40 different authors over a period of 1600 years on three different continents using three different languages to To put together essentially his love letter to humanity.
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It explains where we came from, it explains what went wrong with us, it explains uh how it can all be fixed and where it's all headed.
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And um, you know, get over the book of Revelation.
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You talk about supernaturalism, uh, revelation is meant to be taken literally, and man, you've got demons coming up out of the bottomless pit.
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You've got, well, I say fallen angels, I personally believe fallen angels and demons are two separate things.
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I think demons are the departed spirits of the Nephilim from Genesis chapter six, where fallen angels came down to earth and they intermarried, took on human form, intermarried with women, and then they produce giant offspring.
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Genesis chapter six.
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Go to our church's website.
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Um, I preached two or three Sundays on that, explaining why I believe that really the supernatural view there, that the angels intermarried with women, they had kids, they were neither fully human, they were fully human.
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I'm sorry, they were they're partially human, partially angelic.
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And so therefore, when they died, when they died, um, they went to neither heaven nor hell, but rather their spirits here are on earth.
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Uh, they perished in the flood of Noah.
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Um, you know, interesting that Jesus talked about demons inhabit waterless places.
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Uh, they don't like water.
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There's a reason why the Catholic Church uses holy water during exorcisms because demons do not like water.
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Um, so I believe that the the things that possess human beings now and oppress human beings are the departed spirits of the Nephilim.
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I believe I personally believe there was a second fall.
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Uh, it happened during the days of Jared in Genesis chapter 5.
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Another group of angels fell and they came down to Mount Hermon and they they corrupted um uh they corrupted the human race.
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I'm sorry, that would have been the first fall.
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There was a second fall after the flood where there was a further corruption of the human race.
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Either way, you know, they tried to get in and destroy the seed of the Messiah.
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God had promised that the seed of the Messiah would come.
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Um, the Messiah would come through the seed of the woman.
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And uh so the devil was always trying to corrupt that seed with his own seed, and that's where the Nephilim came about.
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And um it's uh it squares totally with what the scriptures teach.
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So today we're talking about fallen angels.
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I believe the fallen angels are confined in the bottomless pit.
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I believe that the what we would call demons today are the departed spirits of Nephilim.
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Most of the church as a whole does not believe that.
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They believe that demons are fallen angels, but if you go back to the early church fathers, first, second, third century, and all their writings, they almost unanimously agreed that the demons were the departed spirits of Nephilim.
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It was only in the fourth century, ironically, when they also started interpreting Genesis 6 differently and trying to make that, well, these are just human monarchs intermarrying with peasant women.
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Well, it still didn't explain how the giants came about, you know.
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Um, but uh that's what I believe are the origin of demons, uh, or where they came from.
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You know, talking about uh Hollywood uh years ago when I was youth pastor here and was not lead pastor, you know, kids were always pastor, let's let's watch this movie.
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What do you think?
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And so I would, I would, I would watch movies, you know, for kids so that I could give them my perspective.
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Well, I had a bunch of kids one time said, you know, Pastor, uh, what do you think about the movie The Conjuring?
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I go, Well, I'm I'm not a big fan of horror movies, you know, but I I promise I'll watch it, give you my perspective.
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Well, I uh I uh made it through about half an hour.
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I made it to the part where where Bathsheba appeared in the window.
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And then that was and at that particular time, Cain, um I felt a cold presence fall over me.
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Uh it was in the fall of the year, so it wasn't exactly hot outside, but it wasn't cold either.
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I can remember physically feeling different, so much so that I just I turned the movie off.
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You know.
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Well, uh, that would have been on Saturday.
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Sunday, my curiosity got the better of me because I remember it on the radio show Michael Medvid.
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He had used to do movie reviews, and he said that the con drink was actually based on a real life story.
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So sitting at my kitchen table one night, have my laptop out, I'm gonna pull this up.
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I'd like to go back and find that interview that Michael Medvid did.
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I couldn't find it, but I I did find the story, and once again, that cold presence fell over.
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I started shivering, shaking violently.
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Um did thinking about, okay, well, this is uh something I just shouldn't be messing with, so I'll turn it down.
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Uh, went off, prayed, did my quiet time, read the Bible, didn't you know, thought nothing of it.
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Next day, I come home, my dog, who always greets me, greeted me at the door, saw me, and a look of horror came over.
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She started shrieking out loud.
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She ran ahead behind the couch.
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And I go, What is the matter with her?
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Tried to put the leash on her, go for a walk that night after I had my workout.
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She would not go with me.
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Normally, when she'd see the leash, she's ready to go.
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There was something that was there was a presence with me that she could sense.
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Well, the story gets worse.
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That was Monday.
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Wednesday, I'm at the dining room table even with my family.
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All of a sudden, there's a surge of power that comes through the chandelier, and all the bulbs in the chandelier burst all at once.
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Then I begin to notice okay, there's something, there was something about that movie and the way it affected me as a Christian pastor.
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There's a there's a spiritual attack going on.
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What happened next was even more bizarre.
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Thursday night, I go in, uh I set the thermostat downstairs to like 68 degrees because the upstairs is always hotter than downstairs, and I wake up in the middle of the night just burning up.
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I go downstairs, the thermostat is set to 68 degrees, but the actual temperature downstairs was 78, and the furnace was roaring full blast.
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Then I knew there I've done something here that I should not have done.
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And this was not just uh a case of me wanting information.
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I I ventured into territory that me as a Christian pastor should not have ventured into.
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And uh and after that, you know, I something happened.
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I think I prayed enough or God drove it away from me.
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But uh we got a break coming up here, and uh, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and play uh play a song, and then uh when we come back, we'll bump back in with another song.
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And when we're back, uh we'll we'll continue this.
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So I don't want you guys to go anywhere.
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All the listeners out there, this is an extremely important conversation to be had, and I don't want you guys turning that dial.
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Don't go anywhere.
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So stick around, everybody.
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When we come back, we'll be back with Pastor Steve Davenport from Calvary Community Church talking about the biblical side of the supernatural.
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All right, I know you guys didn't go anywhere.
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I know you guys are back, and you guys made it back to a doozy, everybody.
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So you are listening to the Kane Stevens Paranormal Super Show, and I am your spooky captain once again, Kane Stevens.
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And this one is going to be a bumpy, maybe turbulent ride, but it's going to be a good ride indeed.
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I have, as my guest, I have Pastor Steve Davenport from Calvary Community Church.
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He's a friend of mine, he's a he's a guy that I respect, uh, very much so.
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And I know that you guys are going to either love or hate what he has to say.
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I don't think Steve cares so much if you uh, you know, Steve, yeah, he he is just a guy who he has he has his opinions, he has done the learning, he has done the the research, and he has been in the church for a long time.
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So, Steve, welcome back to the show.
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Yeah.
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Good to be here.
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So, Steve, I know that you grew up in uh I know that you grew up in the south, and I know uh I do want to ask you before we kind of dive into your um to the story that I I had to cut you off on uh for the break, but I know you grew up in the south uh around Atlanta area, correct?
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And so, I mean, there's a lot going on down there.
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I mean, there's the you've you've got Civil War sites literally everywhere.
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So, I mean, uh, in your time uh going back there and living in those areas, I mean, did you ever growing up experience?
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I know you've experienced things being a man of God, but did you ever experience anything uh of the ghostly realm uh that truly scared you when you were younger?
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You know, not personally, no.
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Um, the spiritual influence around our home was so strong.
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Um, you know, I don't think with the prayers of my mother, any demon would have come within two miles of our place.
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I mean, she was a prayer warrior, she was a godly woman.
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Um so that, I mean, that was that we had a strong household.
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Um, however, my grandmother grew up in the Great Depression, and she often told stories of uh the house that she lived in, uh, that she died that she actually died in.
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Um and I won't say, Grandma, you you only go spend the night with you, but then you tell me these stories about things you've seen in this house.
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And it was an old home, and a man had died in that house.
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And my grandmother used to show me there was a there was an intention on the old refrigerator that they kept where when he fell, his head hit the ground.
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And and so she would say that she would see ghosts in the middle of the night.
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Uh, my uncle, who certainly was not given to any sensationalism, after my grandmother died, we're sitting at Chick-fil-A eating lunch.
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And I asked him, I said, Well, Uncle, what are you gonna do with that with the house now?
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And he goes, I'm selling it.
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I said, Why are you gonna do that?
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He goes, Because it's haunted.
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And I said, Well, tell me, tell me what's going on.
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And he just said there was always these apparitions, these spirits that were showing up.
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And uh these were this was my grandma.
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I can say, okay, maybe my my grandmother was very, very lucid, she was very sharp um up until the last two or three years.
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So when she would have told us the story, she'd been in her 50s.
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My grandmother lost uh three daughters in her lifetime.
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She had five daughters, three of them died.
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Uh one of them died tragically in the car wreck, one died of diabetes complications in her 30s, mysteriously in the middle of the night.
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And another baby was with the one died in infancy, sudden infant death syndrome.
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Uh, so she was a lady who had experienced a lot of tragedy in life.
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She she would actually say that her daughter, who was killed in the car wreck, would come visit her in the middle of the night.
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And um I I don't doubt that my grandmother did receive a visit from a supernatural being.
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It just wasn't, it wasn't her daughter.
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It was a demon who was pretending to be her daughter.
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And and Kate, that's where the that's where the danger, the danger of the of the demonic world is, is you know, they they're supernatural beings, so they have powers and abilities, you know, beyond that of our of what we do.
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They can take on different forms, they can uh they can mimic the voice, they know things about you know our deceased loved ones because demons have access to our minds.
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We're not sure how much access they have, but you know, you go to a necromancer, more than likely you're probably getting a crackpot, you know, but there's an outside chance you may be getting somebody who's actually in contact.
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They are familiar with a spirit, and they're in contact with a demon, and that demon is powerful enough so that when a customer comes in, pays the money, that demon's able to access their mind and know things about this person that they wouldn't that the stranger wouldn't know.
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And and you're in very serious trouble when you're in the in the press of something like that.
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And uh, you know, if you're if you're having contact with a with a spirit being right now, you you got to be very careful.
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Uh you know, you need you need we need to break that off.
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It's that's not your grandmother, that's not your aunt, your uncle.
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Uh that is a demon, and that demon means you harm.
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They are not going to do anything in your best interest.
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Um well, how real how real is uh like Ouija boards, for example?
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I mean, what I I mean, how real is the threat of using a Ouija board?
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I mean, anything could be a tool.
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To be honest with you, anything could be a tool used, but why is this uh this board that was put put forth as a simple kids' game, why has this become a place for people to have some of the wildest things happen to them?
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Yeah, C.S.
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Lewis said there's there's two dangers when we're talking about the demons.
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One is to pretend they don't exist, two is to have uh an infatuation with them.
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So for that reason, I have never actually done a research on a Ouija board.
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I just know anybody that I know who's ever messed with one came away extremely terrified or very depressed, or in some cases demon-possessed.
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They say, when I was visiting that young lady who had cut her wrists, I left her room, I walked around the corner and I heard this voice, Pastor Steve, Pastor Steve.
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Well, I went into a room, and here was a young man who at one time had been a part of my youth crew.
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And um, I sat there and visited with him, and he had been in the psych ward quite a while.
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So I still had his mother on my cell phone.
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So when I when I left the hospital, I I called his mother and I said, uh, hey, how are you doing?
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I just saw your son.
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She cut me off and she said, I'm so glad you called.
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My son is demon-possessed.
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Well, I actually had perceived that when I was in there with him because I felt like I was talking to two different individuals.
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I was talking to the young man that I I once knew as a middle school kid, and now I'm talking to a young man who um is a totally different, changed individual.
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And uh we we we carried on a conversation for a while, but the mother told me this all started when he when he messed with the Ouija board.
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And so I as far as the actual particulars of the Ouija board, Cain, I really can't give you any insights other than I just know bad things happen.
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And to me, it is a it is a direct gateway uh you know in into the demonic world.
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And that's gonna excite some people, they're gonna go do it.
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But I just tell you, these demons do not have your your best interest in mind, they're not here to help you.
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Any any earthly game they they they're gonna give you is is short-lived, and uh they're gonna take your soul potentially, and it's it's not worth it.
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That's certainly something I don't want to happen, though.
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I don't, I, you know, I don't when we talk about these type of things, uh like Ouija, I I don't want people out there to to rush, rush and and blast open a Ouija board.
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And so but yeah, you're right, there are some people who will do that.
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I can tell you from my experience, Steve, uh my first marriage, uh, we would mess around with the Ouija board, you know, we would go and and we would have a friend come over and we would and nothing would really happen.
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But I will say this, I will say that, and I've always wondered this to myself.
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Nothing but negativity after those moments came to my life into that marriage.
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I'm talking the worst times in my life, and it could be a coincidence, everybody.
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I know you're probably listening, you're probably gonna say to yourself, it was a coincidence.
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Uh, that's not, but I don't, there's something to be said.
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It was the worst time in my life.
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And then once I started coming around and realizing that you know what I had done was it was the wrong thing, you know, and I started uh believing in all I didn't believe my entire life in the Bible, in scripture, in any of that.
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I went to church.
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I but once I started to kind of put put things together, this is just my personal story.
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Things got better for me.
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Once I started praying, things got better to me.
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Once I got away from that type of the occult, and you guys can do whatever you want.
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That's the joy of life, is that you have a choice to make.
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Those are the choices I made, and I feel like they were the wrong choices.
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Uh, the great Art Bell, right?
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From Coast to Coast, uh People's Heroes, he had a story uh with a Ouija board that he would never tell.
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He said that there was a lady that brought a uh, you know, a listener had brought one to their doorstep, wherever they were, and whatever happened to him with that and what he witnessed with that Ouija board was so terrible that he never talked about it, no matter how much people wanted to.
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So to me, hey, I mean, I'm not gonna say our bell was uh, you know, I don't know what he was like in his personal life, but as a broadcaster, he was unbelievable.
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Oh, he was, yeah.
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And uh and anytime I have a late night run from the airport or whatever flight gets back in between Omaha and Lincoln, I always end up picking him up on the radio.
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Let's let's let's talk let's talk about two things before my segment runs out because I know these are in the news, and that is UFOs and Bigfoot.
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Okay, well, let's when I'm through pastoring, I'm gonna, I'm probably gonna embark upon a uh a Bigfoot quest career.
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Here's how I'm gonna do it.
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Now, you have a lot of these atheists who'll say, Hey, I'm gonna set out on this quest to disprove God, end up believing in God.
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But what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do the same thing with Bigfoot.
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I'm gonna, you know, when I'm retired from pastoring, I'm gonna go to all these beautiful places in the world where Bigfoot has been spotted because I mean, let's face it, Bigfoot picks some mighty nice places to live.
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I mean, deep forests, canyons, I mean, just the most beautiful scenic areas of the world, Bigfoot lives there.
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And as crazy as this world is, I don't blame him for not being found.
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If I were him, I'd stay away too.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna set out to prove he doesn't exist, and I'm gonna be the guy who finds him.
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But talking about UFOs, Bigfoot, things like this, I think they're all connected.
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I mean, when you look at what UFOs are capable of doing, they totally defy the law of physics.
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They that they're outside of time and space.
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I I don't believe personally that there is life, there's complex life outside of planet Earth.
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That's because I believe in the anthropic principle.
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If you can imagine a control panel, there's 43 different knobs on there, and each of those knobs represents one of the factors that makes life possible on Earth.
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Gravity, you know, the atmospheric conditions.
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Uh, there's a great book called The Privileged Planet, written by Jay Wesley Richards.
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You should get it and read it.
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It talks about just how life is the earth is so fine-tuned for life that it's virtually impossible for it to exist anyplace else.
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But um, Jay Wesley Richards wrote that book.
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Brilliant, brilliant, strong.
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Um, if you were to take any of those 43 knobs and move them ever so slightly to the right or to the left, life on earth becomes impossible, can't happen.
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So, for that reason, I don't think that complex life is possible outside of planet Earth.
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So, where does that leave aliens?
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Well, let's go back to the supernatural view of the Bible.
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Um, there are various things that in the Bible that that that are that are you know comparable to to UFO encounters.
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Um once again, they're all angelic.
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Ezekiel saw the wheel, he saw something up in the atmosphere that was angelic.
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It was good angelic.
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It wasn't demonic, it was good.
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Uh Jesus said, Behold, I saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
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Um, these things are are are traveling at high speeds, they're making turns that would be impossible for a physical craft to do.
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So I just think we have to understand these are these are uh uh a demonic manifestation.
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Uh the same you know, with alien abductions.
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I watched a video last night, uh, I can't remember the guy's name, but he talked about how that, you know, during an alien abduction, people have talked about crying out in the name of Jesus and it stopped.
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And so the person was in an altered state of mind.
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Uh, they felt they were being abducted.
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Um, and then they called on the name of them.
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So you may tell me that that the aliens are gonna fly billions and billions of light years, uh, and then all of a sudden.
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Flee at the name of some of a bee that they've never heard of before.
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So I personally think that they're they're demons.
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I mean, as far as Bigfoot is concerned, I think it's uh I think there's an outside chance he's encrypted.
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I mean, certainly there are plenty of plenty of sightings.
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Uh one thing science cannot do is state a universal negative.
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And that is, it is beyond the realm of science to say there is no Loch Miss Monster because you're going to imply infinite complete knowledge.
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That means you would have to be able to look everywhere in the universe all at once and say it doesn't exist.
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Science can't do that.
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It cannot state what's called a universal negative.
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So as far as Bigfoot is concerned, um, I mean, there's an outside chance that it can be a cryptid.
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Encryptids are discovered all the time.
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Animals that we once thought were extinct.
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I I tend to believe Bigfoot is uh is something along the Nephilim scale, um, something that is spiritual.
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Certainly among the Native Americans, they viewed Sasquatch as being that.
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Um, and so people tell me they, you know, they've seen Bigfoot.
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I guess the thing that troubles me is why can't we ever get a good picture of it?
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Right.
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I mean, goodness gracious, we are everybody's got camera phones, and everybody's got, you know, the no sense in even buying a camera anymore.
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Our phones do do what our cameras, you know, the best cameras can do.
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Why can't anybody get a good picture of it?
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That tells me that there's something spiritual that's going on.
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And um, you know, I doubt why are why can't we find any bodies?
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You know, certainly you'd be able to find uh skeletal remains.
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And I realize that the places that Bigfoot inhabits are very, very remote, you know, but it's happened to too many people in order just to simply dismiss it.
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But once again, I think if you have a supernatural view of the scriptures, uh rather a supernatural world view that is backed up by the holy scriptures, you can say, hey, he can exist.
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He he may not he may not be a large hominid, he might be something else entirely.
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Um but I certainly have watched every Bigfoot show there is, and I enjoy watching them, and uh they never find him, but I always enjoy watching those shows.
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Well, I I think that Bigfoot is uh you know, you know, it's gonna break our it's gonna break my mom's heart.
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My mom loves Bigfoot shows.
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Uh if a person thinks that Bigfoot doesn't exist, I think Bigfoot is and aliens, I think these are all dimensional beings.
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This is just my opinion.
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I think that they move from I think that there's a realm that we don't understand.
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I know you don't have a lot of time left, but I'll just address my theory on ghosts and all of these things is that time has no construct when you're when time is over with.
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So therefore the past, present, and future are all coming together at one time because there is no time on the other side.
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So I think that it's it's a dimensional thing, a realm thing.
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And I think that uh like skinwalkers and all these things are just they're they're whatever they are, they're appearing to us and disappearing and future at all times.
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Skinwalkers.
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Um I can't think of all the other ones because I've I've watched all the documentaries on them, and they're all obviously something that is not of the created realm.
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There's something that's spiritual.
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Uh these trail cans.
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Um, I think a show that I watch on the internet is Maximum Fear.
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Uh he's a guy named Max, and he wants to maximize your fear.
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So I I watch all his updates, and I there again, with with so much, with nearly every video of his, it's it's either it's either uh AI generated or it's so blurry, you can make out something that is obviously outside the norm.
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But why is it that when it comes to photographing these things, you can't ever seem to get a good photograph?
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You know, and I I think that lends itself to the fact that it's it's a spiritual entity, and uh, you know, it's kind of hard to it's kind of hard to capture that with with human technology, but um it's very real, and people maybe some of your listeners out there are deeply troubled by some things I've said.
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Um I'm I'm not your enemy.
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I'm I'm not gonna I'm not going to discredit anything that you've seen.
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I would just challenge you to think um to think to you know to to to conform to the facts of reality.
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Okay.
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Uh we we know what the Bible teaches about supernaturalism.
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We know there's angels, we know there's demons, we know there's an eternal God.
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Uh we know he sent his son Jesus to the world to rescue us from this dark, broken, fallen world.
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And um, you know, in him is eternal salvation.
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When we die, we go to one or two places.
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We go to heaven, we go to hell.
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There's no middle ground.
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Um and the good thing is, is everybody go to heaven.
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Hell's not a big party place where there's a keg and music playing, and you know, a little hot hotter than usual.
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I mean, the Bible describes hell as being a very scary place, and you don't want to go there.
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And the good thing is that Jesus died so that no one would have to go there.
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And um, you know, I would I would encourage you to consider Jesus Christ wherever wherever you're at on your spectrum.
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Um, there's no demon, there's no power of hell, there's nothing that can harm you if you are safe in Christ.
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And I would just uh I would I would encourage you if you have questions about it, you know, drop by the church here.
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We're at first superior street.
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Um I often tell people in our church, if you have these kinds of experiences, just think of me.
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I'm like the Ghostbusters, I'm ready to believe you.
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I won't make fun of you, I won't laugh at you.
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Um I've experienced these things, and uh, but uh, but I frame them though with within the worldview of scripture, uh, because I know that uh demons are real and the devil is real, and I know who wins in the end, and it's and it's not the devil.
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And so I want to make sure I'm on I'm on Jesus' side.
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But um did you have any other questions or anything like that?
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No, I I think we covered, I mean, I know we only scratched the surface, Steve.
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Uh I just want to thank you and for the listener, once again, this is Steve Davenport, Pastor Steve, as we all know him from uh Calvary Community Church.
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And uh it's just it's an honor to have you on the show, my friend.
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I hope to have you on again so we can talk about the biblical side of the supernatural and just give people a different perspective that I don't think that, or as of right now, people are even willing to to take on, to listen to, which is very strange because this book has been this book has been rocking for a long time.
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So thank you so much for being on the show, my friend.
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I know that you ran out of time, and uh, we will talk to you again soon.
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Thank you, Arcane, and your audience.
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God bless you guys.
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All right, that was Steve Davenport once again.
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And I just I love these conversations.
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Uh, I I don't really I know that some of you out there are going to get probably worked up over it, but you gotta ask yourself, why are you worked up over it?
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What what what's wrong with the uh what's wrong with the biblical perspective of the supernatural?
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Once again, it is a very supernatural book.
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You can look at the Apocrypha, you can look at the Holy Bible, you can look at the Quran, you can look at anything, uh, and you can see all of this has always been there and always will be.
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Uh, it's just another way of looking at it.
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So I hope you guys enjoyed this one.
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This one really did uh dig into the feels of some of you.
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It might even make you uncomfortable, it might make you terrified, it might make you rejoice, it might make you happy.
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And I just hope that uh you guys were were entertained and it sparked a little bit of thought and uh provoked uh and evoked for that matter, uh uh just just a different way of thinking.
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So thank you guys for listening.
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I hope you guys enjoy being on the spooky side of town with me and join me every week as we dive into the the macabre, the strange, the unusual, and we make it a regular conversation, and we'll talk to you again soon.
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We'll see you guys, catch you on the flip side.
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We'll do it here at KZUM.
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Thank you guys for listening.
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Uh, if you guys want to get a hold of me, if you want to email me, email me at uh Kane Stevens Paranormal at gmail.com.
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Give me your questions, uh, give me your stories.
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I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
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So thank you guys for listening, and we will catch you again soon.
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We'll see you on the other side.
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Welcome to a world of mystery.
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A world so dark that you can barely see it.
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A world where the macabre becomes a reality, and your reality becomes a screen.
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Coming to you from Lincoln, Nebraska, here is your host, Kane Stevens.
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But Kane Stevens, Paranormal Super Super Show.
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All right, everybody.
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Welcome back to the Kane Stevens Paranormal Super Show.
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You guys made it back.
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You made it to the spooky side of town, and you found your spooky captain for the evening.
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It is me, it is Kane Stevens, and I am so glad to be talking to you guys here on the FM dial and really bringing my brand of what I do to you guys.
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And I have a treat for you guys tonight.
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I want you guys to buckle up.
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I want you to keep your arms and legs in the vehicle.
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And I want you guys to enjoy the ride because it's going to be a fantastic one.
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I'm going to do something.
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I'm going to bring on a person that I respect so much for so many reasons.
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He's one of my favorite people.
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He's a very uh I find him to be a super intellectual guy.
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Maybe just because I'm a dumb guy, I don't know.
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But I think that he's great.
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And uh, I don't know.
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I just look up to this guy and he's gonna bring a perspective that we don't get to talk about a lot on the paranormal side of things.
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Uh, we're gonna talk about the supernatural, but we're also gonna dive into the biblical side of the supernatural and get the church's perspective of what we're looking what we're dealing with here, what we're looking at.
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So buckle up everybody and just just join us for this uh this incredible journey into what I can only hope is going to be a great conversation.
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So I'm gonna bring him on right now.
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He is a champion power lifter, he is a pastor here in town uh at Calvary Community Church.
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He is a guy who loves 80s action flicks as much as I do.
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He loves the WWF in all of its glory from when it was uh you know late 80s, early 90s gold.
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He is a guy that I go to lunch with, and we also enjoy the fine cuisine here in Lincoln.
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He is Pastor Steve Davenport.
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Steve, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing wonderful.
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Honored to be on your show.
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Man, it it's great having you.
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Uh, you know, I I listened to your sermons online.
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Uh, I've I I had a hard time growing up.
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I was very uh skeptical of the church and of a lot of the pastors, and no offense to them.
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You know, yeah, this is not an indoctrination or uh maybe I need a better word for that, but this is not me going after the church.
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I'm just saying I never really connected with any of the pastors that I saw before.
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Uh, but when I first saw your style and how you tied in the history, and I don't know, it's your delivery, it's your bringing in uh all sorts of things, nostalgia.
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You really just kind of hit me right in the heart at the right times.
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And I just, to be honest with you, I really enjoy the way you deliver the good book, my friend.
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Well, you know, I don't know how in the world people can take the greatest book ever written and bore people to tears with it.
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I mean, to me, that's somewhat of a mystery.
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Um, you know, Jesus obviously came to be the truth of the way, the truth, and the life.
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And uh even if you don't accept his claim to be the son of God, you know, skeptics have looked at his life and say he's the greatest human being who ever lived.
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I mean, obviously the world is a much better place because of Jesus, but you know, there is this thing throughout his his time on earth, he did claim to be the son of God, and that's what sets um, you know, the Christian belief in Jesus, say, from the secular acknowledgement that Jesus was a philosopher, a great teacher.
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Um, you know, and the Bible is a supernatural book.
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Um, the Bible is full of supernatural events.
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There's there's we've talked about this before, there's three ways of viewing reality.
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Philosophy is the quest for what is true or what is real, and then also how we know it to be true and real.
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Um, and there's three different ways of viewing reality.
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One is is naturalism.
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Basically, there's nothing that's real, um, that's not natural, that's not material.
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If you can't perceive it with the senses, then well, it simply doesn't exist.
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Secondly, there is a non-natural worldview, and that is the worldview that is held by uh Buddhists, Hindus, um, Shintoism, Taoism, the religions of the Far East that says that anything physical is but an illusion of the spiritual, that everything is spiritual.
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Going back to naturalism, that is the view of secular humanism, uh, Marxism, postmodernism, they totally deny anything in that that would be spiritual.
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The non-natural worldview does the opposite.
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They deny anything that is material.
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So the the laptop that I'm I'm talking to you from is not really a laptop, it is an illusion of something that is spiritual.
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Our bodies, you know, the the Star Wars movies that we all love and adore is full of non-naturalism philosophy.
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Um, yeah, they're uh unlike pastors, I don't think we should withdraw from society and and not engage in entertainment.
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Of course not.
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I just think that when you watch certain things, you need to know the perspective and the angle they come from.
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It's probably not a good idea to shape your the philosophy that governs your life on a movie.
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But you can still enjoy that movie, you know.
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And then, of course, there's the third, the third view is supernaturalism, and that says that reality is is comprised of both natural and non-natural elements, and and that is the worldview that is depicted in the Bible.
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We have a God, an eternal God, who's always been, who always will be.
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He exists outside of time and space.
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He created time and space, and he created beings that inhabit time and space.
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That's the physical world that we see around us.
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He also made man, and man is material, immaterial composition, meaning that we have a physical body.
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When it dies, then there's a there's an immaterial part of us that goes on and lives forever.
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Um, then the Bible teaches it lives forever in one of two places, it lives either in heaven or it lives in hell, depending on how you answered the Jesus question.
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Um, but the Bible is a supernatural book, it is filled with supernatural elements.
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Um you know, when you talk about the miracles, okay, miracles are supernatural, whether it's Moses' rod turning into a snake in Egypt.
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Notice that the the magicians uh in Pharaoh's court were able to duplicate that.
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Um, so obviously there is good supernaturalism and there's bad supernaturalism.
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Um some of the plagues of Egypt that Moses brought, uh, they were not able to duplicate.
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Uh, the parting of the Red Sea, obviously, big supernatural event.
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Those are things that you don't normally see happening in nature.
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Um the the the dead coming back to life.
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That obviously is a supernatural event.
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The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
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That is a supernatural event.
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And so you also have things along the spooky round, too, in the Bible.
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You have uh when when Saul uh could no longer hear from God through prophets because of his hardened heart, what did he do?
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He engaged the services of a necromancer, and it was something was forbidden in the scriptures.
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And Saul goes and he enlists the services of this necromancer, and she says, Who do you want me to call up?
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And he says, Call up Samuel.
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Well, this particular necromancer, she she obviously had a familiar spirit.
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That is what the old King James translated, meaning that she was familiar, she was in regular contact with a demon who could imitate the dead.
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And so she said, Who shall I call up?
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And she was letting her familiar spirit know, I need you to imitate Samuel.
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Well, something strange happened.
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God allowed Samuel to leave paradise where his soul was and actually make it back to earth.
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And he told Saul, You're done, you're finished, you've crossed the line here.
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I mean, God's been very merciful to you now for a long time, and you have rebelled and you've done wrong, and now you have this this particular sin here of necromancy is the last straw for you, and not only for you, but for your sons, because of your sin, tomorrow you and your sons will all die in battle, which he did.
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So scriptures are just so filled with with supernatural uh events.
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Uh well, one of the more frightening stories in all the Bible is in the Gospel of Mark and Luke, where uh the the Mark and Luke record the story of a man who was demon-possessed, and he was so possessed by demons, multiple demons, a legion of demons, that he ran around naked, had no clothes, so he had no shame whatsoever.
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Uh he dwelled in the tombs, which those things which were normally repulsive to us, he was completely comfortable living among rotting horses.
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Um very bizarre behavior.
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He was self-mutilating, he was crying out aloud.
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The the mental anguish this this man was in just had to be something that's almost incomprehensible.
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And uh they they bound him with chains.
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He was such a threat to himself and others, they bound him with chains, and yet because of the demonic presence in him, he was so strong he could break those chains.
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And so literally, this man was terrorizing the the entire region of Decapolis, which was ten towns.
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And um story ended really well.
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Jesus quit teaching the multitudes, he crossed the sea, he encountered a storm.
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I believe that storm was a supernatural storm.
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I don't believe the demons wanted him, and the demons do have some control of the elements.
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Anyway, Jesus calmed the winds and the waves, he gets off the boat, the disciples won't know part of this.
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They know who lives in this area, they know why people avoid this area.
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And it didn't bother Jesus, and he went and um they didn't even have to call the man out.
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The man knew Christ was there, and he ran and fell at his feet.
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And the demons said, Do not torment us before this time.
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Meaning, there we know there's a judgment coming.
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Just please don't throw us in the abyss of the bottomless pit.
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And uh Jesus cast the demons out of the man, and the disciples finally summoned the courage to get off the boat.
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They want to see what's happening, and they find Jesus, and here's the man sitting at his feet.
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He's clothed, he's in his right mind, and he wants to be disciple number 13.
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He said, Jesus, you got room for one more?
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And uh he says, No, here's what I want.
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I want I want you to go around all these towns.
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I want you to walk into town now, and I want you to show them what I've done for you.
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And and he became one of the greatest witnesses to Christ, you know, during his earthly ministry.
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But uh, you know, people understand that when you read the gospels, 25% of Christ's earthly ministry involved direct confrontation with demonic powers.
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And here in the West, we're only getting on board this train because we're starting to see more and more uh paranormal activity.
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And I and I and you know, it's it's my opinion, and I believe that it aligns with scripture, that paranormal activity is in line with is is is uh the result of demons.
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Um that people are truly seeing something that is real, they're experiencing something that is real, it should be taken seriously, and that's where modern psychology came gets it wrong.
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Most of our modern psychologists are trained in the naturalist worldview that you know man is nothing but molecules, and there's no immaterial part of us.
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And I have visited a lot of people in different psychiatric wards that, frankly, uh the medical community is unable to help because we're more than just molecules.
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There's a spiritual aspect of that's there's spiritual warfare that's going on.
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There are demons, they do afflict human beings, uh, they do possess certain human beings, and you're not going to make that any better by swallowing a pill.
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Now, and I'm not downing psychiatric medication.
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If you're listening and you're on psychiatric medication, you do what your doctor says do.
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But I'm just saying that if your depression that you're experiencing is because of guilt, uh, there's only one, there's only one way to remedy that, and that's through repentance and restoration to Christ.
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Um, and he can help you do that.
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It doesn't matter what you've done, doesn't matter what you're guilty of.
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He's he's able to save anybody.
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Um But I do think a number of years ago, I was I was in a psychiatric ward.
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I had there's a young lady who's coming our youth crew, beautiful young lady, and I I heard that she had cut herself.
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And um I was familiar with the practice of cutting.
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I'd studied it because a lot of kids were doing it.
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And literally, just like the man in the gospels, he was cutting himself.
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That the mental anguish can be so great that the only relief is to inflict physical anguish.
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And that that that temporary physical pain actually takes your mind off the mental pain.
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That's what demons can do to us.
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This young lady, she had not just made a uh a slit across her wrist, she actually cut herself from wrist all the way to elbow.
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And do you imagine the concentration it would take to do that to yourself?
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She did it to both both of her arms, and then she did it to her groin.
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And so it was obvious that the demonic presence that was influencing her or even possessing her was um wanted her to die.
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You know, wanted to kill her.
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In the New Testament, there was a young boy who was demon-possessed.
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What did he do?
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He the father came to the disciples and said, I need help.
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Every time he goes by a body of water, the demon throws him in, or fire, he throws him in, trying to drown him, trying to burn him to death.
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And this demon was so powerful the disciples couldn't help him, so they brought him to Jesus, and of course, Jesus was able to help him.
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But um it's uh the the devil is it specializes in three things.
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He comes to steal, he comes to kill, and he comes to destroy.
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And when you see demonic presence in people's life, you see these types of activities.
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The most pronounced, of course, is self-destruction.
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And it's uh it's very real in our culture, and it's something that we better wake up to and just stop dismissing it as well, you're just imagining things, you're just seeing things.
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Cain, usually every year, somebody comes to me as a pastor with a paranormal problem.
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Uh, something in their house, you know, um, usually it's something in their house.
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And uh number of years ago, uh a young lady called me.
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She was in uh, I was pastoring in North Dakota at the time.
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She still lived here in Lincoln, and sweet girl.
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And she'd had a she'd had a daughter and they were living in an apartment, and and she said, uh, Pastor, I'm calling you because nobody else believed me.
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My parents don't believe me, my pastor didn't believe me.
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And she described to me the entity that she had seen, that her daughter had seen, and that a guest who came over to spend the night had seen.
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So here's three eyewitnesses.
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And I said, Um, you are experiencing something that is demonic.
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And then I asked her a few questions.
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You know, have you have you played with a Ouija board?
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Have you um, you know, had to ask a very personal question?
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Have you been sexually molested?
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Um there seems to be, Cain, a link between the sexual abuse of minors and and demon possession.
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Not in every case.
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I think in extreme cases, it opens a pathway uh so that demons can possess someone.
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Certainly um demons can oppress.
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Okay, there's a difference between possess and oppress.
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Oppress means they attack you from without, they can afflict you, possession means they actually come in and they take control of your mind.
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And and that's where split personalities um come into affect.
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And and I mean I'm dealing with a young man right now who's who manifests all of those characteristics.
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Um once again, he he he's confessed to me that when he was a young man, he he he was involved in the occult quite heavily and you know actually did some things where he invited these demons to come in.
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And um, you know, he's attending church now on Sunday.
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He can be the sweetest young man, help anybody, love everybody, but then in the night, this demon will take him, and I will start getting texts written in all caps, speaking unspeakable things, mostly talking about harming himself.
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And um, you know, we we've we've had to we've had to get him professional help, but um unfortunately, professional help is no help when it comes to uh dealing with the something like this.
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You just need we need to adjust your medication, and that you know that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't get rid of that demon that took him many years ago.
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Dolling the senses, isn't it?
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I mean, that's really all doing with this medication is they're they're just dulling the senses.
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But uh, I mean, for the listener out there, uh, I know a lot of you, uh, especially in this realm of radio, you guys are probably naysayers in a lot of this.
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And now I think it's important to bring this perspective to you because one, they sensationalize on all of our entertainment.
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And trust me, we all watch the same shows.
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We all they sensationalize the demonic and and this.
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It's very interesting.
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Uh, we're kind of in like a we're kind of in like a battlefield scenario of what what is being sensationalized in our entertainment and what isn't.
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I mean, it's nonstop.
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I've heard you talk about it uh many times with me about and and through sermons and different things about how Hollywood it's almost like they have this strange agenda, right?
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Like they want to make it so um so fantastic and so so normal that this is what this is what regular life is supposed to look like for everybody.
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And to me, it's the most terrifying thing, Steve.
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To me, uh, there's nothing more terrifying than the demonic.
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And I've seen some things in my investigations.
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I've lived in a house where I had to call a priest.
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I I actually called the Catholic Church, begged them to come out.
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They wouldn't come out at first.
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They did come out eventually.
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I said, I have little children here, I have things going on.
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I've been I've been grabbed by my ankle by something that's not there and pulled backwards.
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Now, Steve's a big guy, I'm also a big guy.
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It would take a certain force to be able, I'm not saying it pulled me across the room like the movies.
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I'm saying something, I felt a hand around my ankle pull me backwards, and that has sent me on a collision course with what the heck is this going on?
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Right.
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Um, but when I it's very real, it is, and it's very it's very serious, and uh I mean the the the comforting thought of this is that that we can go to the Bible for answers.
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You know, it I understand that probably a lot of your listening audience is is probably not Christian, but you know, who do you're gonna who are you gonna turn to for absolute truth?
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You're either gonna turn to man or you're gonna turn to God.
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You know, I I happen to believe this book here that I hold in my hand is is the word of God.
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It's inspired.
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Um, you know, God used 40 different authors over a period of 1600 years on three different continents using three different languages to To put together essentially his love letter to humanity.
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It explains where we came from, it explains what went wrong with us, it explains uh how it can all be fixed and where it's all headed.
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And um, you know, get over the book of Revelation.
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You talk about supernaturalism, uh, revelation is meant to be taken literally, and man, you've got demons coming up out of the bottomless pit.
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You've got, well, I say fallen angels, I personally believe fallen angels and demons are two separate things.
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I think demons are the departed spirits of the Nephilim from Genesis chapter six, where fallen angels came down to earth and they intermarried, took on human form, intermarried with women, and then they produce giant offspring.
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Genesis chapter six.
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Go to our church's website.
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Um, I preached two or three Sundays on that, explaining why I believe that really the supernatural view there, that the angels intermarried with women, they had kids, they were neither fully human, they were fully human.
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I'm sorry, they were they're partially human, partially angelic.
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And so therefore, when they died, when they died, um, they went to neither heaven nor hell, but rather their spirits here are on earth.
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Uh, they perished in the flood of Noah.
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Um, you know, interesting that Jesus talked about demons inhabit waterless places.
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Uh, they don't like water.
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There's a reason why the Catholic Church uses holy water during exorcisms because demons do not like water.
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Um, so I believe that the the things that possess human beings now and oppress human beings are the departed spirits of the Nephilim.
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I believe I personally believe there was a second fall.
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Uh, it happened during the days of Jared in Genesis chapter 5.
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Another group of angels fell and they came down to Mount Hermon and they they corrupted um uh they corrupted the human race.
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I'm sorry, that would have been the first fall.
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There was a second fall after the flood where there was a further corruption of the human race.
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Either way, you know, they tried to get in and destroy the seed of the Messiah.
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God had promised that the seed of the Messiah would come.
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Um, the Messiah would come through the seed of the woman.
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And uh so the devil was always trying to corrupt that seed with his own seed, and that's where the Nephilim came about.
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And um it's uh it squares totally with what the scriptures teach.
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So today we're talking about fallen angels.
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I believe the fallen angels are confined in the bottomless pit.
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I believe that the what we would call demons today are the departed spirits of Nephilim.
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Most of the church as a whole does not believe that.
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They believe that demons are fallen angels, but if you go back to the early church fathers, first, second, third century, and all their writings, they almost unanimously agreed that the demons were the departed spirits of Nephilim.
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It was only in the fourth century, ironically, when they also started interpreting Genesis 6 differently and trying to make that, well, these are just human monarchs intermarrying with peasant women.
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Well, it still didn't explain how the giants came about, you know.
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Um, but uh that's what I believe are the origin of demons, uh, or where they came from.
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You know, talking about uh Hollywood uh years ago when I was youth pastor here and was not lead pastor, you know, kids were always pastor, let's let's watch this movie.
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What do you think?
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And so I would, I would, I would watch movies, you know, for kids so that I could give them my perspective.
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Well, I had a bunch of kids one time said, you know, Pastor, uh, what do you think about the movie The Conjuring?
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I go, Well, I'm I'm not a big fan of horror movies, you know, but I I promise I'll watch it, give you my perspective.
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Well, I uh I uh made it through about half an hour.
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I made it to the part where where Bathsheba appeared in the window.
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And then that was and at that particular time, Cain, um I felt a cold presence fall over me.
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Uh it was in the fall of the year, so it wasn't exactly hot outside, but it wasn't cold either.
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I can remember physically feeling different, so much so that I just I turned the movie off.
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You know.
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Well, uh, that would have been on Saturday.
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Sunday, my curiosity got the better of me because I remember it on the radio show Michael Medvid.
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He had used to do movie reviews, and he said that the con drink was actually based on a real life story.
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So sitting at my kitchen table one night, have my laptop out, I'm gonna pull this up.
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I'd like to go back and find that interview that Michael Medvid did.
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I couldn't find it, but I I did find the story, and once again, that cold presence fell over.
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I started shivering, shaking violently.
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Um did thinking about, okay, well, this is uh something I just shouldn't be messing with, so I'll turn it down.
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Uh, went off, prayed, did my quiet time, read the Bible, didn't you know, thought nothing of it.
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Next day, I come home, my dog, who always greets me, greeted me at the door, saw me, and a look of horror came over.
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She started shrieking out loud.
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She ran ahead behind the couch.
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And I go, What is the matter with her?
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Tried to put the leash on her, go for a walk that night after I had my workout.
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She would not go with me.
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Normally, when she'd see the leash, she's ready to go.
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There was something that was there was a presence with me that she could sense.
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Well, the story gets worse.
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That was Monday.
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Wednesday, I'm at the dining room table even with my family.
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All of a sudden, there's a surge of power that comes through the chandelier, and all the bulbs in the chandelier burst all at once.
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Then I begin to notice okay, there's something, there was something about that movie and the way it affected me as a Christian pastor.
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There's a there's a spiritual attack going on.
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What happened next was even more bizarre.
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Thursday night, I go in, uh I set the thermostat downstairs to like 68 degrees because the upstairs is always hotter than downstairs, and I wake up in the middle of the night just burning up.
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I go downstairs, the thermostat is set to 68 degrees, but the actual temperature downstairs was 78, and the furnace was roaring full blast.
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Then I knew there I've done something here that I should not have done.
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And this was not just uh a case of me wanting information.
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I I ventured into territory that me as a Christian pastor should not have ventured into.
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And uh and after that, you know, I something happened.
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I think I prayed enough or God drove it away from me.
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But uh we got a break coming up here, and uh, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and play uh play a song, and then uh when we come back, we'll bump back in with another song.
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And when we're back, uh we'll we'll continue this.
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So I don't want you guys to go anywhere.
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All the listeners out there, this is an extremely important conversation to be had, and I don't want you guys turning that dial.
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Don't go anywhere.
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So stick around, everybody.
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When we come back, we'll be back with Pastor Steve Davenport from Calvary Community Church talking about the biblical side of the supernatural.
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All right, I know you guys didn't go anywhere.
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I know you guys are back, and you guys made it back to a doozy, everybody.
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So you are listening to the Kane Stevens Paranormal Super Show, and I am your spooky captain once again, Kane Stevens.
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And this one is going to be a bumpy, maybe turbulent ride, but it's going to be a good ride indeed.
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I have, as my guest, I have Pastor Steve Davenport from Calvary Community Church.
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He's a friend of mine, he's a he's a guy that I respect, uh, very much so.
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And I know that you guys are going to either love or hate what he has to say.
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I don't think Steve cares so much if you uh, you know, Steve, yeah, he he is just a guy who he has he has his opinions, he has done the learning, he has done the the research, and he has been in the church for a long time.
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So, Steve, welcome back to the show.
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Yeah.
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Good to be here.
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So, Steve, I know that you grew up in uh I know that you grew up in the south, and I know uh I do want to ask you before we kind of dive into your um to the story that I I had to cut you off on uh for the break, but I know you grew up in the south uh around Atlanta area, correct?
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And so, I mean, there's a lot going on down there.
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I mean, there's the you've you've got Civil War sites literally everywhere.
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So, I mean, uh, in your time uh going back there and living in those areas, I mean, did you ever growing up experience?
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I know you've experienced things being a man of God, but did you ever experience anything uh of the ghostly realm uh that truly scared you when you were younger?
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You know, not personally, no.
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Um, the spiritual influence around our home was so strong.
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Um, you know, I don't think with the prayers of my mother, any demon would have come within two miles of our place.
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I mean, she was a prayer warrior, she was a godly woman.
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Um so that, I mean, that was that we had a strong household.
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Um, however, my grandmother grew up in the Great Depression, and she often told stories of uh the house that she lived in, uh, that she died that she actually died in.
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Um and I won't say, Grandma, you you only go spend the night with you, but then you tell me these stories about things you've seen in this house.
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And it was an old home, and a man had died in that house.
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And my grandmother used to show me there was a there was an intention on the old refrigerator that they kept where when he fell, his head hit the ground.
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And and so she would say that she would see ghosts in the middle of the night.
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Uh, my uncle, who certainly was not given to any sensationalism, after my grandmother died, we're sitting at Chick-fil-A eating lunch.
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And I asked him, I said, Well, Uncle, what are you gonna do with that with the house now?
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And he goes, I'm selling it.
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I said, Why are you gonna do that?
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He goes, Because it's haunted.
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And I said, Well, tell me, tell me what's going on.
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And he just said there was always these apparitions, these spirits that were showing up.
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And uh these were this was my grandma.
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I can say, okay, maybe my my grandmother was very, very lucid, she was very sharp um up until the last two or three years.
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So when she would have told us the story, she'd been in her 50s.
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My grandmother lost uh three daughters in her lifetime.
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She had five daughters, three of them died.
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Uh one of them died tragically in the car wreck, one died of diabetes complications in her 30s, mysteriously in the middle of the night.
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And another baby was with the one died in infancy, sudden infant death syndrome.
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Uh, so she was a lady who had experienced a lot of tragedy in life.
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She she would actually say that her daughter, who was killed in the car wreck, would come visit her in the middle of the night.
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And um I I don't doubt that my grandmother did receive a visit from a supernatural being.
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It just wasn't, it wasn't her daughter.
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It was a demon who was pretending to be her daughter.
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And and Kate, that's where the that's where the danger, the danger of the of the demonic world is, is you know, they they're supernatural beings, so they have powers and abilities, you know, beyond that of our of what we do.
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They can take on different forms, they can uh they can mimic the voice, they know things about you know our deceased loved ones because demons have access to our minds.
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We're not sure how much access they have, but you know, you go to a necromancer, more than likely you're probably getting a crackpot, you know, but there's an outside chance you may be getting somebody who's actually in contact.
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They are familiar with a spirit, and they're in contact with a demon, and that demon is powerful enough so that when a customer comes in, pays the money, that demon's able to access their mind and know things about this person that they wouldn't that the stranger wouldn't know.
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And and you're in very serious trouble when you're in the in the press of something like that.
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And uh, you know, if you're if you're having contact with a with a spirit being right now, you you got to be very careful.
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Uh you know, you need you need we need to break that off.
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It's that's not your grandmother, that's not your aunt, your uncle.
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Uh that is a demon, and that demon means you harm.
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They are not going to do anything in your best interest.
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Um well, how real how real is uh like Ouija boards, for example?
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I mean, what I I mean, how real is the threat of using a Ouija board?
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I mean, anything could be a tool.
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To be honest with you, anything could be a tool used, but why is this uh this board that was put put forth as a simple kids' game, why has this become a place for people to have some of the wildest things happen to them?
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Yeah, C.S.
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Lewis said there's there's two dangers when we're talking about the demons.
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One is to pretend they don't exist, two is to have uh an infatuation with them.
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So for that reason, I have never actually done a research on a Ouija board.
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I just know anybody that I know who's ever messed with one came away extremely terrified or very depressed, or in some cases demon-possessed.
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They say, when I was visiting that young lady who had cut her wrists, I left her room, I walked around the corner and I heard this voice, Pastor Steve, Pastor Steve.
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Well, I went into a room, and here was a young man who at one time had been a part of my youth crew.
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And um, I sat there and visited with him, and he had been in the psych ward quite a while.
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So I still had his mother on my cell phone.
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So when I when I left the hospital, I I called his mother and I said, uh, hey, how are you doing?
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I just saw your son.
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She cut me off and she said, I'm so glad you called.
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My son is demon-possessed.
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Well, I actually had perceived that when I was in there with him because I felt like I was talking to two different individuals.
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I was talking to the young man that I I once knew as a middle school kid, and now I'm talking to a young man who um is a totally different, changed individual.
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And uh we we we carried on a conversation for a while, but the mother told me this all started when he when he messed with the Ouija board.
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And so I as far as the actual particulars of the Ouija board, Cain, I really can't give you any insights other than I just know bad things happen.
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And to me, it is a it is a direct gateway uh you know in into the demonic world.
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And that's gonna excite some people, they're gonna go do it.
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But I just tell you, these demons do not have your your best interest in mind, they're not here to help you.
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Any any earthly game they they they're gonna give you is is short-lived, and uh they're gonna take your soul potentially, and it's it's not worth it.
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That's certainly something I don't want to happen, though.
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I don't, I, you know, I don't when we talk about these type of things, uh like Ouija, I I don't want people out there to to rush, rush and and blast open a Ouija board.
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And so but yeah, you're right, there are some people who will do that.
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I can tell you from my experience, Steve, uh my first marriage, uh, we would mess around with the Ouija board, you know, we would go and and we would have a friend come over and we would and nothing would really happen.
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But I will say this, I will say that, and I've always wondered this to myself.
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Nothing but negativity after those moments came to my life into that marriage.
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I'm talking the worst times in my life, and it could be a coincidence, everybody.
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I know you're probably listening, you're probably gonna say to yourself, it was a coincidence.
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Uh, that's not, but I don't, there's something to be said.
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It was the worst time in my life.
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And then once I started coming around and realizing that you know what I had done was it was the wrong thing, you know, and I started uh believing in all I didn't believe my entire life in the Bible, in scripture, in any of that.
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I went to church.
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I but once I started to kind of put put things together, this is just my personal story.
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Things got better for me.
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Once I started praying, things got better to me.
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Once I got away from that type of the occult, and you guys can do whatever you want.
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That's the joy of life, is that you have a choice to make.
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Those are the choices I made, and I feel like they were the wrong choices.
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Uh, the great Art Bell, right?
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From Coast to Coast, uh People's Heroes, he had a story uh with a Ouija board that he would never tell.
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He said that there was a lady that brought a uh, you know, a listener had brought one to their doorstep, wherever they were, and whatever happened to him with that and what he witnessed with that Ouija board was so terrible that he never talked about it, no matter how much people wanted to.
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So to me, hey, I mean, I'm not gonna say our bell was uh, you know, I don't know what he was like in his personal life, but as a broadcaster, he was unbelievable.
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Oh, he was, yeah.
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And uh and anytime I have a late night run from the airport or whatever flight gets back in between Omaha and Lincoln, I always end up picking him up on the radio.
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Let's let's let's talk let's talk about two things before my segment runs out because I know these are in the news, and that is UFOs and Bigfoot.
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Okay, well, let's when I'm through pastoring, I'm gonna, I'm probably gonna embark upon a uh a Bigfoot quest career.
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Here's how I'm gonna do it.
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Now, you have a lot of these atheists who'll say, Hey, I'm gonna set out on this quest to disprove God, end up believing in God.
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But what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do the same thing with Bigfoot.
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I'm gonna, you know, when I'm retired from pastoring, I'm gonna go to all these beautiful places in the world where Bigfoot has been spotted because I mean, let's face it, Bigfoot picks some mighty nice places to live.
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I mean, deep forests, canyons, I mean, just the most beautiful scenic areas of the world, Bigfoot lives there.
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And as crazy as this world is, I don't blame him for not being found.
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If I were him, I'd stay away too.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna set out to prove he doesn't exist, and I'm gonna be the guy who finds him.
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But talking about UFOs, Bigfoot, things like this, I think they're all connected.
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I mean, when you look at what UFOs are capable of doing, they totally defy the law of physics.
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They that they're outside of time and space.
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I I don't believe personally that there is life, there's complex life outside of planet Earth.
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That's because I believe in the anthropic principle.
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If you can imagine a control panel, there's 43 different knobs on there, and each of those knobs represents one of the factors that makes life possible on Earth.
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Gravity, you know, the atmospheric conditions.
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Uh, there's a great book called The Privileged Planet, written by Jay Wesley Richards.
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You should get it and read it.
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It talks about just how life is the earth is so fine-tuned for life that it's virtually impossible for it to exist anyplace else.
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But um, Jay Wesley Richards wrote that book.
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Brilliant, brilliant, strong.
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Um, if you were to take any of those 43 knobs and move them ever so slightly to the right or to the left, life on earth becomes impossible, can't happen.
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So, for that reason, I don't think that complex life is possible outside of planet Earth.
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So, where does that leave aliens?
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Well, let's go back to the supernatural view of the Bible.
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Um, there are various things that in the Bible that that that are that are you know comparable to to UFO encounters.
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Um once again, they're all angelic.
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Ezekiel saw the wheel, he saw something up in the atmosphere that was angelic.
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It was good angelic.
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It wasn't demonic, it was good.
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Uh Jesus said, Behold, I saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
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Um, these things are are are traveling at high speeds, they're making turns that would be impossible for a physical craft to do.
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So I just think we have to understand these are these are uh uh a demonic manifestation.
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Uh the same you know, with alien abductions.
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I watched a video last night, uh, I can't remember the guy's name, but he talked about how that, you know, during an alien abduction, people have talked about crying out in the name of Jesus and it stopped.
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And so the person was in an altered state of mind.
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Uh, they felt they were being abducted.
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Um, and then they called on the name of them.
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So you may tell me that that the aliens are gonna fly billions and billions of light years, uh, and then all of a sudden.
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Flee at the name of some of a bee that they've never heard of before.
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So I personally think that they're they're demons.
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I mean, as far as Bigfoot is concerned, I think it's uh I think there's an outside chance he's encrypted.
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I mean, certainly there are plenty of plenty of sightings.
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Uh one thing science cannot do is state a universal negative.
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And that is, it is beyond the realm of science to say there is no Loch Miss Monster because you're going to imply infinite complete knowledge.
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That means you would have to be able to look everywhere in the universe all at once and say it doesn't exist.
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Science can't do that.
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It cannot state what's called a universal negative.
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So as far as Bigfoot is concerned, um, I mean, there's an outside chance that it can be a cryptid.
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Encryptids are discovered all the time.
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Animals that we once thought were extinct.
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I I tend to believe Bigfoot is uh is something along the Nephilim scale, um, something that is spiritual.
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Certainly among the Native Americans, they viewed Sasquatch as being that.
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Um, and so people tell me they, you know, they've seen Bigfoot.
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I guess the thing that troubles me is why can't we ever get a good picture of it?
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Right.
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I mean, goodness gracious, we are everybody's got camera phones, and everybody's got, you know, the no sense in even buying a camera anymore.
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Our phones do do what our cameras, you know, the best cameras can do.
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Why can't anybody get a good picture of it?
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That tells me that there's something spiritual that's going on.
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And um, you know, I doubt why are why can't we find any bodies?
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.800
You know, certainly you'd be able to find uh skeletal remains.
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:53.360
And I realize that the places that Bigfoot inhabits are very, very remote, you know, but it's happened to too many people in order just to simply dismiss it.
00:45:53.519 --> 00:46:04.400
But once again, I think if you have a supernatural view of the scriptures, uh rather a supernatural world view that is backed up by the holy scriptures, you can say, hey, he can exist.
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:09.760
He he may not he may not be a large hominid, he might be something else entirely.
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:21.440
Um but I certainly have watched every Bigfoot show there is, and I enjoy watching them, and uh they never find him, but I always enjoy watching those shows.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:28.159
Well, I I think that Bigfoot is uh you know, you know, it's gonna break our it's gonna break my mom's heart.
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.880
My mom loves Bigfoot shows.
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:39.280
Uh if a person thinks that Bigfoot doesn't exist, I think Bigfoot is and aliens, I think these are all dimensional beings.
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This is just my opinion.
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I think that they move from I think that there's a realm that we don't understand.
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I know you don't have a lot of time left, but I'll just address my theory on ghosts and all of these things is that time has no construct when you're when time is over with.
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So therefore the past, present, and future are all coming together at one time because there is no time on the other side.
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So I think that it's it's a dimensional thing, a realm thing.
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And I think that uh like skinwalkers and all these things are just they're they're whatever they are, they're appearing to us and disappearing and future at all times.
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Skinwalkers.
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Um I can't think of all the other ones because I've I've watched all the documentaries on them, and they're all obviously something that is not of the created realm.
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There's something that's spiritual.
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Uh these trail cans.
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Um, I think a show that I watch on the internet is Maximum Fear.
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Uh he's a guy named Max, and he wants to maximize your fear.
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So I I watch all his updates, and I there again, with with so much, with nearly every video of his, it's it's either it's either uh AI generated or it's so blurry, you can make out something that is obviously outside the norm.
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But why is it that when it comes to photographing these things, you can't ever seem to get a good photograph?
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You know, and I I think that lends itself to the fact that it's it's a spiritual entity, and uh, you know, it's kind of hard to it's kind of hard to capture that with with human technology, but um it's very real, and people maybe some of your listeners out there are deeply troubled by some things I've said.
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Um I'm I'm not your enemy.
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I'm I'm not gonna I'm not going to discredit anything that you've seen.
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I would just challenge you to think um to think to you know to to to conform to the facts of reality.
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Okay.
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Uh we we know what the Bible teaches about supernaturalism.
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We know there's angels, we know there's demons, we know there's an eternal God.
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Uh we know he sent his son Jesus to the world to rescue us from this dark, broken, fallen world.
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And um, you know, in him is eternal salvation.
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When we die, we go to one or two places.
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We go to heaven, we go to hell.
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There's no middle ground.
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Um and the good thing is, is everybody go to heaven.
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Hell's not a big party place where there's a keg and music playing, and you know, a little hot hotter than usual.
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I mean, the Bible describes hell as being a very scary place, and you don't want to go there.
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And the good thing is that Jesus died so that no one would have to go there.
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And um, you know, I would I would encourage you to consider Jesus Christ wherever wherever you're at on your spectrum.
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Um, there's no demon, there's no power of hell, there's nothing that can harm you if you are safe in Christ.
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And I would just uh I would I would encourage you if you have questions about it, you know, drop by the church here.
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We're at first superior street.
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Um I often tell people in our church, if you have these kinds of experiences, just think of me.
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I'm like the Ghostbusters, I'm ready to believe you.
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I won't make fun of you, I won't laugh at you.
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Um I've experienced these things, and uh, but uh, but I frame them though with within the worldview of scripture, uh, because I know that uh demons are real and the devil is real, and I know who wins in the end, and it's and it's not the devil.
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And so I want to make sure I'm on I'm on Jesus' side.
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But um did you have any other questions or anything like that?
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No, I I think we covered, I mean, I know we only scratched the surface, Steve.
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Uh I just want to thank you and for the listener, once again, this is Steve Davenport, Pastor Steve, as we all know him from uh Calvary Community Church.
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And uh it's just it's an honor to have you on the show, my friend.
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I hope to have you on again so we can talk about the biblical side of the supernatural and just give people a different perspective that I don't think that, or as of right now, people are even willing to to take on, to listen to, which is very strange because this book has been this book has been rocking for a long time.
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.039
So thank you so much for being on the show, my friend.
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I know that you ran out of time, and uh, we will talk to you again soon.
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Thank you, Arcane, and your audience.
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God bless you guys.
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All right, that was Steve Davenport once again.
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And I just I love these conversations.
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Uh, I I don't really I know that some of you out there are going to get probably worked up over it, but you gotta ask yourself, why are you worked up over it?
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What what what's wrong with the uh what's wrong with the biblical perspective of the supernatural?
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Once again, it is a very supernatural book.
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You can look at the Apocrypha, you can look at the Holy Bible, you can look at the Quran, you can look at anything, uh, and you can see all of this has always been there and always will be.
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Uh, it's just another way of looking at it.
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So I hope you guys enjoyed this one.
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This one really did uh dig into the feels of some of you.
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It might even make you uncomfortable, it might make you terrified, it might make you rejoice, it might make you happy.
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And I just hope that uh you guys were were entertained and it sparked a little bit of thought and uh provoked uh and evoked for that matter, uh uh just just a different way of thinking.
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So thank you guys for listening.
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I hope you guys enjoy being on the spooky side of town with me and join me every week as we dive into the the macabre, the strange, the unusual, and we make it a regular conversation, and we'll talk to you again soon.
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We'll see you guys, catch you on the flip side.
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We'll do it here at KZUM.
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Thank you guys for listening.
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Uh, if you guys want to get a hold of me, if you want to email me, email me at uh Kane Stevens Paranormal at gmail.com.
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Give me your questions, uh, give me your stories.
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I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
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So thank you guys for listening, and we will catch you again soon.
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We'll see you on the other side.
