OM DENNE EPISODE
Photography Studio Automation: Booking Links, Transactional Emails & Long-Term Nurture Sequences (with Jeff Poole)
In this episode, Cris Duncan interviews Jeff Poole of Indigo Silver about putting a photography studio “on autopilot” with scheduling and lead automations. Jeff explains why giving prospects self-scheduling links improves booking, and recommends choosing an automation-capable platform like Go HighLevel while keeping invoices/contracts in tools like Tave for long-term data. He outlines a two-part email strategy: short plain-text “transactional” follow-ups that feel personal and land in inboxes, plus a genre-specific, value-driven nurture sequence with graphics that addresses objections over time. Jeff shares a suggested cadence (initial email within minutes, follow-ups over a week, then “close the loop”), using only transactional SMS, and tapering nurture frequency from weekly to monthly. He discusses list hygiene for deliverability, keeping emails focused, using AI to draft sequences, avoiding seasonal offers, and notes a HighLevel snapshot product and where to find his work and Texas School class details.
Jeff and his wife, Lori, operate Indigosilver Studio located in Wilmington, NC, specializing in boutique boudoir portraiture, Headshots, and luxury wedding photography. Their passion for capturing timeless moments extends beyond their studio through Photo Insight, their dedicated educational platform for photographers.
With over 15 years of experience in wedding and portrait photography, Jeff understands one fundamental truth—the industry is constantly evolving. Success isn’t just about taking great photos; it’s about adapting to change. Through the power of digital marketing, Jeff and Lori have consistently grown their business year after year, regardless of economic shifts.
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00:37 Why Scheduling Automation Matters
03:13 Choosing an Automation Platform
04:52 Plain Text Transactional Emails
08:30 Personalization by Genre
13:30 Timing and SMS Follow Ups
16:12 Long Term Nurture Sequences
18:38 List Hygiene and Unsubscribes
20:51 Keep Emails Short and Focused
22:50 Set and Forget Best Practices
25:44 Templates and Where to Find Jeff
27:19 Texas School Class Promo Wrap Up
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Hello friends, this is Chris Duncan with Texas School, and today we're
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joined by Jeff Poole, who is the master of marketing automations,
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setting your systems and your studio on autopilot so
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you can continue to make money and do all the— and let the admin work
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do itself in the background. So yeah, Jeff does, and his wife Lori have Indigo
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Silver. And so welcome, Jeff. Thanks for joining us today.
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Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, so that's
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pretty intriguing, this autopilot. You know, you hear about automations a lot and
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just kind of— but man, it sure can be overwhelming,
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right? It can be. Yeah, it can be. But once, once you
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embrace it, it's— there's no going back, you know. And, and early
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on, Lori and I, when we were told like, you've got to let people
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book and let people schedule when they want to and don't force them into
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a certain thing of waiting for you to get back to them. You've got to
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give them that ability to do that when they're, when they're ready and when they're
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shopping. And the first time I was like, so you want me to put my
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calendar out there so that people can just self-schedule things?
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And the guy we were working with, it's like, yeah. And I was like,
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no, it's not going to happen. My calendar is way too involved. There's way
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too much stuff going on with kids and the studio, and it's just way too
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involved. And, you know, it took me about a year before I finally wrapped
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my mind around it and was like, okay, I'm going to do it. And now
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everything. I mean, even like my daughter is like, hey,
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I'm gonna be coming into town, um, you know, sometime next month.
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And I'm like, here's a link, schedule with me. I've got a personal link for
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friends and family that want to come visit. I'm like, I don't go back and
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forth with scheduling things at all anymore. Everything's automated.
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That's funny. Well, you know, there's that joke that if it's
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not on the calendar, it's not going to happen. So I guess— oh yeah,
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this kind of makes sure it gets put on the calendar. Yeah. Yeah. And the
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same with when leads come in, it's like so many times I'll reach out
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to someone and even my daughter's getting married and I'm reaching out to wedding vendors
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and I get an autoresponder back from them that says, hey, we're busy.
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If you don't hear from us in the next 24 to 48 hours,
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try reaching out to us again. And I'm immediately like, well, I'm not
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booking you. Come on. You're going to tell
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me I'm trying to give you my money and you're going to tell me I
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might not respond to you in 24 or 48 hours? And I'm like, How's it
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going to be when you've got my money, right? Yeah. So yeah, it's like
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just, you know, give people the opportunity to, to book with
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you or schedule with you when they are in, in that shopping mood. And if
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they don't, follow up with them, automate all of that stuff. It just makes your
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life so much easier. Yes. Well, you know, even this thing,
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us scheduling this podcast interview, was semi-automated. For some
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reason the wrong link got sent out, but we're here. Um, so I know there's
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a lot of steps to think through, and I think that's why when people hear
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about this— and I know I was that way at the beginning— it's like,
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man, there's so much work to do on the, I guess,
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on the front end before you can launch this. And so where
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does, where does someone need to start with that? Like, how deep does that system
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have to go before you can hit play?
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Yeah, you know, I think, I think the biggest thing is finding a platform.
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You know, we have HighLevel, and it's, it's kind of everything.
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It runs our websites, it runs all of our sales funnels, it runs all of
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our automations, our our scheduling.
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It literally runs everything in our studio except for invoices
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and contracts. We still use VSCO, formerly known as
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Tave, for that because just because we've had,
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you know, 15 years of data in there that we can look back on for
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year-over-year trends, average sales and things like that. HighLevel will do that stuff,
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but I would say look for a platform to do it and do it well.
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A lot of the photography-based platforms are
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really good at contracts and invoices, but they're not that great at automation. They'll allow
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you to when someone signs a contract or someone inquires,
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they will allow you in a one-path automation
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where it will send out sequences, but you really don't have a lot of control
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over it at that point. So that if they opt into one campaign
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and then halfway through you want to move them based on an action they take
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into a different workflow, and then when they're in that workflow,
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if you want to move them to a third workflow, you don't really have the,
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the capability. So I would say first Find a platform to do
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it. HighLevel's fantastic at it, at being able to do all of that. And then
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the second thing to do is work with AI, you know,
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have it write you a, what we call a transactional sequence,
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email sequence, which is when someone reaches out to you,
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they fill out a contact form on your website. You wanna,
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and this is where a lot of people I think don't wanna automate things because
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they don't wanna take the personal feel out of it. And you can still absolutely
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automate your inquiries and automate your lead flow and things without
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taking the personal feel out of it. So let me back up for a minute
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and just kind of tell you our story. When we first started automating things,
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when someone would fill out our contact form on our website, we had these pretty
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emails that would go out and it was our nurture sequence. They were very pretty.
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They had logos, they had images, they had all the information that someone would
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need to know, but it took the personal feel out of
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it. And I remember like it was yesterday, I was demoing the system to someone
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and I said, see, here's how it works. And I opted in. And then
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I said, now I've got the email and I just forgot to remove myself from
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the list. And like a few days later, I remember looking at my email going,
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I don't feel like Lori actually responded to me. I feel like I opted
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into a newsletter because it was obviously a canned
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response that was going out. It was when you've got logos and graphics and images
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and things like that in an autoresponder, it's obviously
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not per— like, I didn't feel like Lori reached out to me
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and responded to me. I felt like I opted in for a newsletter. And so
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that's when we started kind of coming up with the concept of this transactional
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email sequence. And that is emails that are plain
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text that don't have any buttons or graphics or images or
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logos. It literally looks like Lori responded back to this
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lead out of like Gmail or something. And if there's a
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link in there to schedule a call, it's just a blue hyperlink, just like you
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would normally get. But now when someone opts into
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any of our campaigns, they get this transactional nurture sequence
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of like, hey, thanks for reaching out. I'd love the opportunity to work with you.
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And to schedule a call, click here. Here's some basic information. And then
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a few days later, we follow up with another one. A few days later,
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we follow up with another one. There's like 4 of those. But in the meantime,
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we are also adding them to what we call long-term nurture sequence,
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which is the pretty emails that have graphics. But these are all
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value-driven. We want them to see value in what it's like to work with
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us, whether that's headshots, weddings, boudoir, whatever it is.
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Those transactional ones are still going out from either me or Lori, depending on
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who you opt in with. And it's meant that I'm reaching out to you
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and following up with you personally. But yet my company is
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also sending value-driven emails to keep us top
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of mind. And so to start with, I would say, sit down and write
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4 or 5 emails that are coming directly from you that are
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going to be plain text emails that are going to be automated out. And then
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sit down and write 10 or 15 value-driven emails of things
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that you want people to know, those objections that people have
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about booking a photographer. You want to, to address those objections
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before they even come to top of mind. And so you do those in those
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other emails that go out and those drip out over time. And so I
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think the hardest part is for people to get those 2 sets of emails done.
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And then once you do that, when you automate that, it just takes your—
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takes you completely out of the loop for actually having to sit down
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and feel like you've got to respond to emails because you are responding to emails.
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It's just you're responding to them in an automated fashion. So,
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so how can, how can someone— first of all, I like the idea of not
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having to have a big graphic email. I think that's where we get hung up.
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Like, oh, it's got to look pretty, it's got to hit everybody, it's got to
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be generalized but still feel personal. So I appreciate I appreciate you sharing that part
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of the story. And I even, when you were telling that, I was thinking of
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some, some other influencers and stuff that I subscribe to and I'm getting plain
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text emails from them. They're not, you know, it's, it's very matter of fact.
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But so I like the idea of not having the big graphics,
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but at what, like, how do you make it personal when
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it's so generalized? I mean, yeah, give, give the photographers tips.
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Like, yeah, and I think you're having to
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break it down per genre, right? This isn't just a main thing. Your transactional
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sequences, if you have one website that has like,
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let's say, Luria, if Luria and I have one website that we shared that
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has weddings, headshots, and boudoir on it, our contact form
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would need to have a dropdown list of like, why are you inquiring? What are
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you inquiring about? And you can actually build in of like, if you choose
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boudoir, opt them into the boudoir sequences.
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If you choose headshots, put them in the headshot sequences. And so you can parse
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out where your contact is going and what newsletter or
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transactional sequence they're opting into. And so once you
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do that, then it becomes very much niched down. So when
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you're responding in those transactional ones, you're not really talking about tips
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or tricks or anything. You're just responding of like, hey Chris, thanks for reaching out
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about a headshot. I'd love the opportunity to work with you. Here's some basic information
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on pricing and how to schedule. If you have any questions or anything, just reply
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back or click the link down below and you can schedule your headshot online.
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And then a few days later, I have one that goes and says, Hey Chris,
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a few days ago you reached out about headshots. I didn't see your booking
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come through or schedule come through. I just want to reach out and see if
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you have any other questions about booking and see if I can get you on
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the calendar. Here's my number. Here's another link to the calendar. And then a
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few days later, another one will go out and eventually, you know, and this is
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where a lot of photographers worry about things because we don't want to pester our
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leads, but we kind of have to in this day and age because people have
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the attention span of a goldfish. And so if
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we're not staying in the top of their inbox, they're going to forget us.
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I mean, things get buried super quick. So those 3 to
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4 transactional emails are me reaching out to them. And so
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it's very specific about what they reached out for. And then when that nurture
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sequence kicks in, usually after about— usually we have ours go out at day
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3, it adds them to that nurture sequence. So they're not getting those right
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away. But on day 3, if they haven't responded, if they haven't done
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anything, then we add them to that nurture sequence. And that nurture sequence does have
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images in it, does have graphics, but they're all value-driven. It's not me reaching out
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and saying, hey, Chris, let's get scheduled. Let's get you on the books.
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Me following up. It might be something like, you know, what should
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I wear for my headshot? Here are the top outfits that we recommend.
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If you haven't moved forward with your booking, click here. And then the next one
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might be studio or on location. And then the next one might be what
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types of files do I get? Is retouching included? So all the things that people
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need to know are in that nurture sequence. So you're answering questions that they may
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have, but they may not have reached out and asked. And one reason why
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a lot of people are going away from the graphic type emails for
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your initial responses is because spam filters are
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so bad now. And if you don't have your emails
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set up almost perfect and you have images
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and graphics and buttons and things like that, and it's really heavy on HTML,
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it's immediately gonna go into the spam or promotions tab.
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And your leads aren't gonna see it. So by eliminating
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that factor and just let your initial response emails
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just be plain text, you're more likely to hit the inbox as well. That's a
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good tip cuz that's scary for someone to do all this work. Yeah. And then
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for it not even to impact. Exactly. Yeah. So not a lot of HTML.
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What about like even a header, like a, your logo, a signature
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at the bottom that has a headshot? I mean, is it nothing on ours?
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I mean, if, if it's, we, you can put a signature at the bottom that
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has like a headshot. In it. Generally that's done with— it's
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a light HTML and it's got signature in there, so email inboxes
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will know that that HTML is a signature and it won't flag
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it as promotion or spam because it will say email signature somewhere in there.
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And so that's okay if you want to have something like that with your social
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links or whatever at the bottom. I don't think that's bad. We still don't do
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it. We just still say, cheers, Jeff, Indigo Silver,
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phone number, email, just like it was like just plain text. Yeah.
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Because I want it to feel like I'm responding to them.
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That's, that's kind of the goal is, is to build, cuz people book who they
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know, like, and trust. And so if I'm building rapport with someone and,
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and they see that I'm reaching out to them instead of just this pretty
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canned HTML email, then it feels a little bit more personal.
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Yeah. So I like this 2002 style email we've
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got going on. It's 1996 style email almost.
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Yeah. Break it down. That's great. That's, that's good information. So.
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That's your transactional side. These very simple, short text,
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easy to read. You know, you're not going to get attention fatigue
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in that type of email. That's just to get them to move to the next
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step. Exactly. If they haven't moved to the next step,
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eventually you start sending them what you're calling value-added stuff, like here's
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what can wear, here's the, here's the services we offer. And these are a little
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more designed to match your brand and such like that.
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Exactly. What's the— you said you don't want to pester, but we have to,
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so Have you found that sweet spot of frequency, like every
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3 days, once a, once a week, once a month?
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Does it, is it heavy at first and then taper off? It does.
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It's heavy at first and it tapers off. So our transactional emails,
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initially that first one goes out about 5 minutes after someone inquires,
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5 to 10 minutes. And then they also get an SMS right
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away as well that says, hey Chris, thanks for inquiring about headshots. I just
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sent you more information via email. If you don't see it, please check your spam
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or promotions tab. You know, people can either stay— we don't, we don't text
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market. We only do transactional, uh, text messages because
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people, as bad as people hate email marketing, they hate text marketing
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even worse. Especially in an election year when you're getting them all unsolicited.
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Yeah, it's bad. Yeah. And it's really easy to burn a phone
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number as well if you get too many stop replies. And so that's why you
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see a lot of these marketers will tell you like, write back with no to
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opt out or write back the letter N to opt out.
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Always write back stop because that's flagged by the
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carriers and it will unsubscribe you 100% and it
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will flag them from the carrier because I hate it just as bad as everybody
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else. It's a loophole. So, so yeah, they're telling you to write back with
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something else that they've got built into an automation that will unsubscribe you from text.
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But if you write— but that's not going to stop them from blasting text marketing
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to people. So if you write back stop, it will 100% stop because
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it will flag it with the carrier. But with that being said,
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that's why we don't do text marketing. It's transactional only of like, hey, thanks for
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reaching out. I just want to make sure you get my email. So if you
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don't, check here in these 2 places.
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But so with emails, email 1 goes out on day 1 and then
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email 2 goes out the next day to say, hey, I want to make sure
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you got it. And then we wait 2 days and we send out email 3.
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And in email 3, we tell them like, hey, I know you're probably
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busy. I don't want to bug you too much, but I'm going to send you
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some additional information on what it's like working with me and some few tips and
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tricks. And then I'll touch base in a few days. And that is me
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basically telling them I'm adding you to my nurture sequence. You know,
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I'm just— because I want when that— when those other emails come through
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and they look different, I want to let them know that these are just value-driven
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emails. And then we wait usually 3 more days after that. And then
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I follow up with them again to say, hey, I just want to touch base
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one last time. If I haven't heard back from you today, I'm going to close
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your lead and feel free to reach out to me at any point. We call
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that one closing the loop email, and we will get the
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majority of our responses on that one because no one wants to be told
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that we're going to close their lead out. But those nurture sequence emails
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will continue to go. So that is our flow, is email
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1 on day 1, email 2 on day 2, email 3,
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2 days after that one, and then the final email 3
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days after that one goes out. But now they're in that transactional sequence— I
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mean, the nurture sequence where they're getting those. And then those, depending on
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how many you've got— like, we've got one sequence that has 50-some emails and it
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goes for almost 2 years. And those are all value-driven. And every time we think
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of something, we add another email to it. And so those are all designed
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to be— to keep us top of mind because You know, things like headshots
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and weddings, people, when they're ready to book, they're ready to book.
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They need it yesterday. They need something right now and they're going
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to move quick on it. So my, my, my headshot nurture sequence only
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has like 15 or 20 emails because if someone is looking for a
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headshot, they're probably going to book them in the next week or so. So those
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are there, you know, just to keep me top of mind for a couple of
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weeks. That's it. But boudoir, there's a lot of courage that goes into booking that.
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You know, you're talking about coming in and getting partially nude and having your photo
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taken. And a lot of women have body issues,
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they have confidence issues, so it takes longer for them
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to work up the courage. And so as photographers, we always think that
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if someone reaches out and they ghost us or they don't respond or they don't
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book us right away or schedule a call, that they automatically booked somewhere
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else or we're too expensive or they didn't like our style, when in reality it
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could be they just need to get past the confidence of getting in front of
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a camera because a lot of people just don't like having their photo taken.
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And so they'll search for a while and then they'll get cold feet or
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their kid will get sick or they'll be out of town or for whatever reason.
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And so that long-term nurture sequence is designed to
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keep us top of mind over time. And so those frequency
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starts out probably like once a week. And then after the
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first handful of emails, it goes to once every 2 weeks. And then after that,
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it goes to once a month and it's kind of where it stays once a
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month, like a monthly newsletter. And we've had people that have been on
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our mailing list for a year that will book a session just out of the
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blue. And we'll look back and be like, well, they, they came in through this
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promotion a year ago and they've been getting the emails and they
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finally got the courage to book a session. And that's one of the things that
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I think is a lot of photographers are sleeping on is creating that long-term nurture
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sequence and having a lot of emails in there to provide value, that provide proof,
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social proof, all, all the things that people need to push
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them over the edge to book a session. Yeah. Yeah, so that's, that's really good
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information, and I think it's really encouraging just to know that it's,
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it's probably okay to pester. Maybe pester is not the word we would use,
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but to, to just keep your clients informed about what you do and that
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you're there and you still want to meet their needs. Um, and I think one
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of the big things that people also don't understand about email marketing is if,
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if someone unsubscribes, that, that's okay, because it's way
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better to have a smaller list of people in your database that are actively
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opening your emails and reading them and responding to them or taking
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or clicking the links in them than it is to have a giant list and
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half of them don't even open it. They just immediately delete it.
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Because what that does, if you say, let's say you've got 10,000
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people on your mailing list and you've only really got 1,000 to
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1,500 that are active and that are opening your emails and reading them.
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Well, when you send out that big blast of emails, That's basically telling
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the email service providers, well, there's 10,000 people that got this and 8,000
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of them just deleted it and never opened it. So it's got to be spam
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or promotions. So let's move it into here. But if
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you delete out all the people that haven't opened your emails in 3 months and
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now you keep doing that every 3 months, you just go and delete people who
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haven't opened an email in 3 months. Eventually you'll get down to a very small
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list of people that are active. That are opening it, and that tells
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the email service providers, hey, they sent out 4,000 emails and 2,000
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of them got opened, so let's move them into the inbox. Yeah,
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that's, yeah, that's good insight. And plus, you just don't want to waste your money
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on people that aren't interested in your services anymore, right?
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Exactly. So, you know, my, my theory is that when someone
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opts into our newsletter, or our— any, any really newsletter,
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they opt in, they contact us, pretty much any way we get their contact information,
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is that They stay on our list until one of 3 things happen.
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They buy, they unsubscribe, or we run out of content.
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They're gonna stay on that list. And so the goal is to continue adding emails
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to that list. You know, it's something that's needed. Like I said, not all genres
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need it. When someone's looking for a wedding photographer, there's no reason
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to keep 'em on your list for 2 years. They're probably gonna be married at
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that point. But for family portraits, children's portraits,
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boudoir, all of that stuff, keep those people engaged,
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keep sending them emails because they will book you at some point down the road.
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That's, that's really good. That's good insight. So one final thing,
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we kind of COVID the transactional. You've got this nurture sequence, it varies
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based on genre. Um, how much is too
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much in an email? I mean, you know, some emails you get— I mean,
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I guess if you're sharing your own story, I, I think I fall victim
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of wanting to tell them everything at once. Yeah. And it becomes overwhelming.
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But when I get those emails, I'm like, this is so big I can't even
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follow it, so I'll look at it later. And of course I never look at
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it later. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, keep your emails, like the transactional ones, the ones
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where it's me responding back, there's very little information in there. The first email just
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says, here's some basic information of what to expect on cost. So we know,
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so we let them know if they're barking up the right tree. And then the
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rest are just follow-ups. And then when it comes to your nurture sequence, if you
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actually take that big brain dump of an email that you've got and break
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it out, that's, you might be able to take that what you would normally feel
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like you need to write in one email. You might be able to get 4
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emails out of it. And so you have to actually create less
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content if you're writing short, focus-driven emails. And so things
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like, what do I wear to a headshot session? Here's my top 3 things.
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Studio or on location, which is, you know, which do I want?
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Personal branding versus headshots, which is right for me? You know, just so
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keep those emails very focused and you can get more content out
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of them that way. And that's where working with something like ChatGPT or Claude
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They can really help you write your nurture sequence if you just tell them,
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hey, I am this type of photographer. Here's what I shoot.
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Here's who I serve. Give them the whole brief of who you are and what
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you do. Send them to your website so they get an idea of your brand
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voice. Tell them the tone and just say, I need to create a nurture sequence
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to keep people engaged and I want there to be at least 20 emails in
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this first batch. Give me ideas. And what Claude will do anyway,
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I'm not sure about Chat, but Claude will actually break it down
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into different focus points of like, these are personal
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reasons people might want a headshot, and then these are reasons why they might use
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them for work. And this is reasons, this is locations that how they can use
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those images or whatever. And so it'll break those emails down into a
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plan on how to convert someone. Very good.
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That's good. So is, and my last,
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I guess my final question, is this a set it and forget it type thing?
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For the most part, yeah. I built my headshot sequence over a year
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ago and I haven't touched it. You know, it just runs. And Lori's is,
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she's always adding emails to it. So if she thinks of something, she'll be
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like, oh, I need to add this to my email sequence. Or if she gets
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a really good session that she has permission, she'll add it as a featured session.
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Or if she gets a really good testimonial, she'll add it as a social proof
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or a test, a trust email. And so those are things that you can always
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just keep going in and add an email, add an email. And you
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know, those types of things are are what your clients
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need to be able to just stay informed about what's going on, make purchasing decisions.
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Social proof is big, featured sessions, featured products. You know,
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there's just a lot that you can put into the framework
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of a nurture sequence and just keep adding to it. But yeah, for, for the
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most part, you know, it is set it and forget it. You do want to
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go back and make sure the content's relevant. And one big thing that I would
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encourage people to do is because you never know when someone's going to opt in
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and when they're going to get email 6 in your sequence, for example, don't put
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anything seasonal in there. And don't be like, oh, the weather's getting warm, it's time
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for spring portraits, because they may be getting that email in December, you know.
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So, um, so don't put anything that's seasonal in there, and don't put
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any calls to action of like, book this month and get,
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because someone could book you and then get that email 2 weeks later
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and be like, well, I just booked you, can I get that deal now?
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No, in your nurture sequence, you don't want anything that's seasonal or any, you know,
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bonus call to actions or anything like that. It's just value-driven Top
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of mind, social proof, keeping you on the top of their
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mind. So when they go, okay, I'm ready to book a photographer, you're the only
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person that's going to come to mind. Yeah. So just kind of in summary,
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they find you on social, they come to your website, they fill out some type
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of form, and then they get this transactional email.
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And you said it was immediately, 10 minutes, the next day,
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skip a few days. So really those transactions all come within the first week.
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And along that process, they're getting hit with these nurture sequence,
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and none of that's seasonal. So nurture sequence usually hits on
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about day 7, you know, that's about when it hits. Yeah, that's great.
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But your transactional ones, you're going— you're basically wanting to capture them while they're shopping.
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Yeah. And again, give them access to either— if you do online booking, give them
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access to book online. If you— like, for me, for headshots, it's commodity-driven.
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So there's a link in there, it's like, here's pricing, here's a link, and you
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can go book and schedule. You can see my calendar, book it, and you just
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show up and I'll shoot. For everything else, for family and children and boudoir,
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it's schedule a consult. And so we have a link to our calendar
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so they can schedule a phone call with us. We are looking to move boudoir
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into online booking so that they can just book right there, choose their
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date and time and book it right there. Uh, we just haven't had the time
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to actually build it out. Yeah. So yeah, that's good. Well, Jeff, thanks for
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the time today. Yeah, absolutely. Is there, is there a place that someone could find,
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like, are there templates that you've designed on these? Is there any type of
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marketplace? I mean, I guess HighLevel is what yours are on,
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but yeah, HighLevel, they have their own marketplace. There's not a lot
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of photography-specific templates in there. And, and there,
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there are a few, but, but they're not built by a photographer. So I look
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at them and I go, oh no, I don't. It's like you can tell,
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you can tell a marketer or someone that just designs pages for HighLevel built those
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templates, but they're not built for a photographer. I do have
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a snapshot for a lead magnet. That has a
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nurture sequence framework in there that is available
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if anybody wants it. Just reach out to me and, and I'll send you a
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link for it. And I, I want to say it's like $185 for
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that, but it basically has a funnel for a lead magnet that
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you put in all your copy in, you attach your PDF to it, and it's
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very easy to set up. I got a video how to set it up,
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and there's a nurture sequence in there as well. So if anybody's on HighLevel
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and they want that snapshot, just reach out to me. I think it's just
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I'll email you a link. Okay. So where else can they maybe see some of
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your work or follow you? Yeah. So you can see us online at
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indigosilverstudio.com. So just like the 2 colors,
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indigosilverstudio.com. That's our client-facing side.
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And then on our education brand, it's myphotoinsight.com
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and you'll see a little bit more about marketing. We also have a Facebook group
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that you can join. It's just My Photo Insight on Facebook as well.
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And, uh, yeah, so that's about it. And then obviously, you know,
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Texas School. Oh yeah, we should talk about Texas School. So yeah,
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Texas School 2027 is coming up April 25th through the
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30th, and we have our Saturday classes again April 24th.
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And Jeff will be doing a Saturday class, and you don't— and again, you don't
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have to be attending the full week to go to a Saturday class. We hope
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you'll choose both. We'd like to say it's dessert before dinner or pairing wine,
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but He'll be doing a whole marketing, taking you through this.
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Yeah. Watch, watch me build it out. Watch me build out funnels.
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Um, watch me do, I'm gonna do it all live. So you'll be
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able to see, um, basically strategic marketing and the systems
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we use to run it in 2027, '26,
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'27. Um, yeah, I'm gonna do some live build out so you can see
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how it's all connected, how everything works. Fantastic. And just so you know, you don't
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have to be GoHighLevel for this class. This is just showing you the concepts and
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And the structure of it, not necessarily software or platform driven. So don't
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get scared if you don't have HighLevel. This is for any type of automation or
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CRM systems that you can, you can adapt this to. So, well,
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Jeff, we're excited to welcome you to Texas School for that Saturday class. Thanks for
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spending some time with us today. And I'm gonna have to go and start
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getting things built, getting some automations in. All right.
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Yep. Thank you.