Spitball Media - Is Obsession Overrated?

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And we are live. San's intro. This is the weekly
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look at some entertainment stories where we just spit them
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all over the place. We called Spitball Media Podcast. My
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name is John Draper. Joining me is the Prince of Philadelphia.
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His name is Sheheen, Shaheen. What the jersey you wear
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in there tonight?
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It's another Iran one?
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Oh, Iran got another variation? Yeah, I got twenty two
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more to go, so I'll be switching them up every week.
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So you have a total of twenty five jerseys, twenty
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six jerseys, twenty four, twenty four jerseys, and you're gonna
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wear a different run every week for twenty four weeks.
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Every single week moving forward, I'll be we're in a
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different jury.
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Wow, that is impressive. I have to admit I did notice.
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I noticed it. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. That's
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pretty sweet. Look at that. Now, what year is that?
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Because that's not from this year? Is it?
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No, it's from this year.
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It is this year?
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Okay, very hard to find. I had to go on eBay.
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I had to go through a lot of loops to
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get it because again it's not made through like Nike
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or dias so you can't get it from like US vendors,
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so it's very, very difficult to find it, but you
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know got it at last.
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Now, did you buy them all in one clip?
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I bought most of them in the same week, so
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it was a little ridiculous, you know. But here we are, man,
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I got a closet full of jerseys, and I have
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a new obsession and a new collection to go after.
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So physical media is not the endgame. I also have jerseys.
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Now, wow, okay, well you heard it here first, it's
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a Spitball media exclusive. Hey a little program. Note b
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sho b sho. Brian is not joined US tonight. He's
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buying twenty four different tank tops from twenty four different
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junior colleges all over the world, so he wants to
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compete with Shaheen. I'll be wearing twenty four different band
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T shirts. I think I could pull that off, shotretty,
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sure I have twenty four band T shirts.
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I think I definitely have at least twenty four wrestling
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shirts for sure, and obviously I have twenty four jerseys.
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Next up is NBA.
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I'd like to get a solid like ten like old
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school retro NBA jerseys, but you know, we'll we'll tackle
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that next.
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I just bought two new couches.
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So I'll be out of at a commission for a
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little bit.
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Man, I've bought a lot in the last two months.
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Mister big spender. Here's the guy not worried about tomorrow,
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but he is, you know, he is looking sharp. And
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that is that? Is that a matching hat or what's
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the hat?
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No, honestly, I just I don't even know what fucking
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hat this is, dude. I just I just bought it
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because I needed something to match it.
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What.
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I don't watch baseball? So what is this from Milwaukee Brewers? Oh,
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it's a Brewers It's a Brewers hat. It's a shame.
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I don't even know.
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I wouldn't I wouldn't have noticed. Honestly, it doesn't look
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like their logo anyway. Thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
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We appreciate it. B Show sends his regards, and of
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course he should be back next week for the regular show. Now,
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we're going to do a special deep dive tonight, something
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we've been talking about quite a bit, not without some controversy,
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but it is a movie that just has maybe fifty
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different lives, that is constantly people are constantly, I should say,
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finding ways to talk about it, things to digest, explain,
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and of course you know we're going to tackle that.
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We're going to talk about our opinions on this particular film.
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This is a movie we've all seen, this is the
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movie most of you have seen, and we are talking
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about the sort of I don't know show maybe probably
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the biggest success story of all films for twenty twenty six,
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and that would be Curry Parker's Curry Barker's Obsession for
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a seven hundred and fifty I believe it was seven
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fifty seven and fifty thousand dollars filmed budget, It got
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sold to a studio, it came out as is, and
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it just printed money. Sho do we know what the
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final box office numbers for this? It is now streaming
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currently on Peacock, So.
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If you have peacock, Yeah, So the exact budget is, uh,
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you're correct, it's it's seven hundred and fifty thousand, so
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close to a million. And Focus Features paid a fifteen
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million to acquire it, and they made a four hundred
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and eighty eight million worldwide, so that would be domestic
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two hundred and sixty three million, and international two hundred
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and twenty.
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Five, which I mean, dude, it's that type.
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Of profit is insane. You know, I can never discredit
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the movie. And I mean, you know, we're here to
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kind of like do like a deep dive on it,
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and you know, we'll go through the pros and the cons,
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but I mean, I can never discredit those type of numbers. Obviously,
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it's like a box office phenomenon to you know, costs
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less than a million dollars and then to make almost
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half a billion, like that's practically unheard of at this point.
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So yeah, for sure. I mean, and again, it's not
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even just really for horror shot. It's film. It is
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even regardless of the genre that it's in, and we're
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seeing let's not forget we're seeing some significant numbers from
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heavyweight films. We have multiple billion dollar films that have
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happened already. We've still got what like four or five
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months left of the theatrical releases. But this shot, even
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though you know, uh, at this point now it is
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kind of having a different life on video, this is
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probably the success story cinematically of the year, right, I mean,
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it's not a three hundred, four hundred million dollar budget,
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like a Spider Man making two billion. But nonetheless it's
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in the conversation.
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Yeah, I mean I wouldn't honestly, I wouldn't even say
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of the year. I would probably say of the decade.
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I mean, this movie, honestly, like practically costs probably less
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than a house in Hoboken, New Jersey. Yeah, you know
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what I mean, This costs less than that, and it
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made half a billion dollars. Just to kind of put
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it on scale for you, that's unheard of. I can't
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even tell you the last time a movie made money
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like that.
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Yeah, and it was well received. And I am of
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the opinion, and we will get to this in a
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little bit more context. I am of the opinion that
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many people saw it multiple times. I am of the
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opinion that people went and saw it, called their friends
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and said we got to go check this out. People
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saw it in groups. People saw it like in groups
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multiple times. I have just rewatched it, as you have
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just rewatched it at home. All three of us saw
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it in theaters. And many people in the chat, and
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many people that have listened to this or follow the
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show have one hundred percent seen this movie shot so
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right off the bat, it's checking off a lot of boxes, right,
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I mean, we don't really have that much. We don't
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want to see it. We don't see this. Forget about
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the financial exist but the fact that so many people
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have seen it, you know what I mean in our
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small world, it's extraordinary.
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Absolutely, And just a fore warning for anybody listening. There
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probably will be some minor spoilers. I mean, the movie
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has been out for you know, six more, but it's
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hard to do a deep dive on a movie and
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not you know, explain certain scenes that stand out and
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so on and so forth. So if you haven't seen
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the movie, just a warning that there might be some spoilers.
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Yeah, and again it is on Peacock, so you know
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it's worth getting a Peacock link and things of that nature.
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But we wanted to do a deeper dive because there's
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a lot of things going on with this movie that
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I will say, I'm surprised. There's a recent thing that
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just happened this week that is a very big story
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in regards to Universal's Haunted Horronights, which have become a
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big thing many people here. I'm sure some people have
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even been to those things. But we want to take
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it back to the sort of the origins of the film.
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It's a first time director, it's a young director. Is
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that Curry, Curry Parker or Barker? I always get that confused.
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Let me check over here. I want to say Curry Barker.
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He is the director of Milk and Cereal, which was
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that that's short on YouTube.
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Yes, which I've seen and I think I thought you
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saw it too. I remember us talking about it a
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couple of years ago. My brother Mike insisted that I
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watch it. Seah, you've never seen Milk and Cereal. It's
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kind of brilliant.
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I have not, unfortunately, but I know he got a
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pretty large following from that movie, which honestly, I would
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credit a lot of the success of this movie too,
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that follow and carrying over from being like a big YouTuber, you.
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Know, because that seems to be a theme now.
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You know, we're seeing a lot of YouTubers become movie directors,
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especially horror movie directors.
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I haven't seen it.
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I haven't seen them kind of like open up the
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floodgates in any other genre, but as far as horror,
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they're kind.
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Of taken over.
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I mean I can name right off the top of
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I had like four or five different guys that just
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entered the hard game and kind of took over. So
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but yeah, Milkin cereal man never seen it though, Yeah.
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Milk and Cereal is great. Uh, that is something if
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no one's seen it's it sort of was a big
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surprise that got pushed quite a bit. And then he
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was also known for making joke shorts with his friends,
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some of which are in this film. One of them
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has a fairly big role. I think that's like his
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acting partner. And it's interesting shot he's in Curry is
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it Pifa Parker beefa bark.
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I'm sorry, it's just fun be he asn' boy.
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So Curry Barker is in these shorts and b Show
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had pointed to us previously he's about eighty pounds heavier.
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And he also had a I don't want to say
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a cameo he may have been on It's Always Sonny.
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I don't know if you know that he had a
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small role on it. Yes he did, you could probably
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pull it up. Actually, it's fascinating because he's maybe eighty
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pounds heavier and he's only a twenty something year old guy.
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I don't know if he was empicked it like a
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lot of him, but I've seen some of his shorts.
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They're pretty funny. They're very kind of racy and like
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wildly inappropriate. But milk and Cereal. I was a fan
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of my brother Mike, who has the Neck romainex podcast,
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turned me on to it. People were really into it,
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and I'm certain that that's how a lot of this
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came to be. But this movie screened at a lot
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of festivals where I got picked up by Focus and
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I still remember in my circle Sha eight nine months ago.
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Maybe more than that, it might have been at the
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Fantastic fest the year before. People who had seen it
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drooling over this, saying that people are going to be
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really surprised. They were so glad this got some type
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of theatrical release. So there was already a lot of
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buzz long before this hit the actual theatrical release. It
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did very well in festivals and screenings. It already Sha
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had a lot of Momenta behind it to make it successful.
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Yeah, and honestly, I rewatched it last night, you know
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not last night wasn't over the weekend, Sunday, Sunday night.
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I reoca.
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And I remember my first initial reaction you know, B
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Show and I stayed on for about ten minutes longer
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after you hopped off when you guys talked about obsession,
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and I didn't really have much of a reaction, you know,
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And I'm sure he was probably surprised because I felt
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like I was like, oh shit, like B shows super
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into this, John is loving this, Like why did I
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just think it's it's it's good. I'm not here to
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say it's it's a terrible movie by any means, Like,
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obviously it's a good movie, and I think, honestly that's
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that's actually part of the problem, because it is a
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good movie. It's perfectly decent, you know, but somehow having
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a ninety four percent on Rotten Tomatoes and becoming a
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four hundred plus million, you know, phenomenon at the box office,
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Like I just don't really understand, like people are, you know,
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essentially saying like this is the second coming of Hereditary,
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which I think made me have like certain expectations going
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into this. So again, by no means am I saying
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this is like terrible. I'm just saying it's it's not
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exceptional to me, like I think it's I think it's good.
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don't see it at that point, man.
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You know, yeah, yeah. So my brother Mike saw it
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late again from the Neckroman's podcast. You know, he's he's
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had a horror podcast for like a decade with Mike
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Hill from Tombs and Jeff over there at neck Romaniacs.
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They do a full review of the show. They had
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done it. My brother didn't do it because he didn't
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see the film. My brother saw it not that long ago,
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sent me a DM and said, oh my god, it's amazing.
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The hype is real. I totally believe. Now I'm totally
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on the hype train. Now, I will say this, I
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did find a lot of the hype to be a
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little strange, and I think we have some ideas of
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where the hype is coming from. As far as it
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compared to Hereditary, I think that's a wild stretch, and
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I'll tell you why. For the first of all, the
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acting in Hereditary, frankly, is miles miles above the acting
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in Obsession, and I'm talking about down to the small
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ancillary parts all the way up to the leads. There
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is no And I say this, and I'm a fan
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of both films, and I Hereditary is probably my favorite
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twenty first century horror film, maybe right behind Martyrs, But
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I would never make that comparison. I think the comparison
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is because of the success and the critical acclaim, you know,
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and of course shot for a lot of people. Technically,
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that isn't that ari Astor's first film. I mean, I know,
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he made a short that's very you know, controversial, but
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isn't that his first film? Much like that is Curry
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barkersfilm's first film.
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Yeah, And I think a lot of the you know,
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Hereditary comparisons come from Curry Barker because I know when
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an interview he mentioned that he actually did a screening
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of Hereditary in preparation for the movie, so all the
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actors had to sit through you know, Hereditary to essentially say,
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like yo, this is to use it as motivation almost,
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you know. And I see a lot of that. But
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I mean, she's no Tony Collette. I forget her name, Nay.
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Chris Matthews just brought her up, and we'll talk about
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her too, because something interesting happened with her this week.
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It's just so strange how all this is happening. I agree.
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I also think you know, from a budgetary standpoint. I
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don't know Hereditary's budget, but it wasn't less than a million,
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and you know, thematically, I don't know why people would
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compare the two. I think it just made a lasting impact.
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I actually and this, people are probably gonna make fun
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of me for this and the chat and above and beyond.
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I was, honestly, this is gonna sound really dumb, dude,
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but I was kind of comparing it in my mind
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to terrifyer only because the small indieness of it, you know,
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the small, independent side of it, not supposed to be
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a big deal, not supposed to be something so gravitas,
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and becomes this enormous thing. I mean, I know it
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seems silly to rewind the clock on Terrifier, but shah,
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let's rewind the clock. Terrifier two was supposed to to
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be in theaters for like five days in select theaters,
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and it ended up making a gargantuan amount of money
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and having them talk about it on Good Morning America
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and doing pieces on it and the news and websites,
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and it stayed in theaters and stayed in theaters. So
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it's like, I think that's actually a more fair comparison
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because of the humble beginnings, Hereditary was meant to be
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a major theatrical release and it had Gabriel Byrne and
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Tony Kalett in it. I mean, you know, it's just
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you know what I mean, like, I just think it's
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it's I think Terrifier has more in common with it
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in the in the grand scheme of things.
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Yeah, And I think I don't know if this is,
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like you know, on my part, a misunderstanding. But you know,
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when I heard people reviewing this movie and hyping it up,
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I took it as especially when they compared it to Hereditary,
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right like they did. I went towards the direction of, Okay,
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this is they're talking about originality, like this is going
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to be something that's going to change the game. And
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I think I confuse that with popularity, because yeah, sure,
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this is like a super popular movie.
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Everybody's talking about it. It's viral, a over TikTok.
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But I feel like I've seen this before many many times,
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you know, And we can get into that later on.
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But you know, comparing it to Hereditary, I think is
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really detrimental to this because again, you look at you
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look at Hereditary right. If you meet a stranger right now,
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how difficult is it for you to just kind of
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give them a run down? Like a summary of Hereditary.
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There's so many layers. You really have to watch that movie.
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This movie, there's not that many layers.
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It's an awkward boy.
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He likes some girl, she doesn't want him. He refuses rejection,
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kind of reaches out with a magic wand everything goes
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terribly wrong. Like it's a very simple premise, you know,
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once you tear everything away. Whereas Hereditary, I feel like
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you need to watch that movie like fifteen times. I've
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watched it eight times and I still find shit in there,
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you know, so I think, you know, it really did
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it some damage comparing this to Hereditary and these other movies.
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Because again, this is good. It's really good. I'll give
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it credit for that. But it's not like it didn't
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move me the way I expected it to movie. There
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was nothing super like surreal or weird in it where
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I was like, oh shit, and what was that?
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You know?
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I kept waiting for that punchline, man, and I feel
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like I never got that.
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You know. Well, Chris Matthews says, I wouldn't say it's
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a new Hereditary, but it's really good. Co Covid says,
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I wouldn't know Hereditary if it wasn't for this YouTube show.
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And Chris also points out Indie Navarete now the big
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just like people talked about Tony Colette in that context.
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And I do think Shaw the comparison is from a
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directors standpoint, out of nowhere director, no clue who this
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person is, makes a big splash, makes a big impact.
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Let's just compare everybody to Ariaster, because that's kind of
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Ariaster in the twenty first century, especially in the last
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fifteen years, I should say. But Indian Navaret, very little
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known actress with a day job, got paid very little
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for this film, carries this movie one zoo like. I
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don't even know that that's even up for a conversation.
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I found as I just have rewatched this film. Frankly,
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I found her performance to maintain its validity to me
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in the sense that I think it's a top notch
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our performance. But also you could tell Shah when you
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watched it again. I don't know, because we haven't discussed this.
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She is on a different level of performer than everyone
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else in the movie.
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I agree completely. I agree with you with what you
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just said and Chris Matthews, because honestly, if you remove
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her performance, I think this movie is very basic. Like
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if you remove her from this, I don't think people would.
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Be talking about this as much.
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And I think another thing that really benefits is the
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fact that this came out before back rooms, you know,
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because we didn't really have that like super popular horror
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movie yet this year.
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You know, we had Hocum but didn't.
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Really move the needle, Like it was kind of underground.
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People talk about it, but it wasn't like viral, you
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know what I mean. And I think people were like
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hungry for that. They were almost looking for that next
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horror movie to talk about. And I think, honestly, like
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part of it is luck, Like I really don't think
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this movie is groundbreaking, Like it's really good, but kind
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of like a basic bitch movie.
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Man, Like I've seen this before.
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You know, it's really good, but it's didn't really move me,
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you know, And I don't want to be that guy.
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Man.
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But I've watched it twice. Man, I really gave it
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a shot. Like I've watched it twice. I dissected it,
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and there is definitely some really really good scenes in there.
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I love her performance, but you know, it's it's very basic.
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When you say basic, are you referring to like it's
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a formula that you feel like it's been a trope
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that we've seen a bunch in movies overall as a theme.
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Like you know, because I will say my and I
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just rewatched it with Eadie a couple of weeks ago,
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and she thought the movie was fantastic. My wife lasted
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twenty minutes, got bored, walked right out. She was like,
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I don't care. I just it's not holding my interest.
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It's not holding my interest. And I do think part
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of that might have been the performances out because you know,
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first twenty minutes, Indy Neveret is just like a regular
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girl in your office, regular girl, you know, and then
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once it takes that turn, she's got your interest so strong.
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On the back of I think how good she is,
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and I do think she's a fantastic performer from this,
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but I will say, unlike other movies in my top
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five this year so far, and I will list them
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if people really want to know them, because they could change.
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We have a good way to go here from an
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acting perspective, this is the weakest of all of them,
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maybe even my top ten, because I do feel that
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Bear Bear's friends and even the other girl were who
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are the four principles of this film are really not
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good And I mean like Blair Witch kind of not
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good where they're not exactly maybe ready for a film
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of this that would become this caliber like and and
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I do think that that is what separates it from
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say a back Rooms, where I will stand on business
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and say that the lead actor in back Rooms and
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even the female who I didn't enjoy the character but
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are performance I think there is this is like literally
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comparing you know, the the Rolling Stones to a cover
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band you know in your neighborhood doing food fighters songs
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on a Thursday night like like like, And that's that's
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one of the things I feel that people maybe their
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fandom was very generous. Did you find the secondary performance well,
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but they're all principles right at the end of the day.
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What was your opinion on everybody but Indi Navarette in
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this movie? Because I have very strong feelings about how
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weak some of these people were.
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Yeah, before I I, uh, you know, talk about the
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other actors, you know, you had asked me why I
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think this is basic, and again it's it's a very
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basic you know, guy likes girl, girl rejects him. He
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uses magic to force her to love him, she becomes obsessive,
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and everything goes wrong. I mean it's that's essentially the
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whole premise of the movie. And again, if you strip
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her away from this movie, I feel like it's it's
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very bland. Like we've seen this with Misery before. Obviously
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it wasn't like the same kind of obsession, but we've
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seen even the Beyonce movie. I think it was the
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same title. I think it was literally called obsession. So
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we've seen this before. Even like if you you ever
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see the movie Monkeys.
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Paul way, it's loosely based on the premise of a
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Monkey's Okay.
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So yeah, So again, there's so many movies that if
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you I feel like this is a mixed mash of
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all of them together.
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If you take you know, Monkeys Paul and mix it.
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With Misery and make it a love story, this is
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essentially what that is.
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You know.
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As far as the secondary acting, I thought Bear was like,
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oh hey, uh, I think the other girl's name was Sarah.
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I think the girl that had the horror horrible death
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in the in the car scene, which that was my
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favorite scene, like I was, that was a very well
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done jump scare, like I don't, I don't usually like
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jump scares, but a spoiler alert, you know, when when
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Nicky comes out of nowhere and she bashes through like
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the window and starts smashing her face into the fucking dashboard, Yeah,
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and just makes basically like fucking nothing out of her face.
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It just turns into clay uh that. I'll be honestly
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that that poort got me, Like I was not expecting it.
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I was, I was halfway full in asleep and then
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she just reaches through the window.
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I should fucking got me.
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But well, yeah, I think calling it a jump scare
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might even be doing it some kind of disservice, right,
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because it does have a much bigger impact and frankly,
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the effects of this I will say, which I don't
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think enough people talk about shod and I think we
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should whatever whoever did the practical which these are pretty
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much all practical phenomenal job here. I don't know why
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we don't know more about who who did those practical effects.
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They were really good, man, they were really really good,
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and that scene in particular is the one that sort
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of resonates with everybody. But but would you say, like
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even for us, and you gotta remember the small budget
481
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of this too, those practical effects, even even Nicky's deterioration,
482
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shot really strong, I mean really strong from a movie that,
483
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like you know, did not cost a lot of money.
484
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Yeah, I would say the practical effects were really really good,
485
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except for one part, which I'm not even complaining about,
486
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Like I'm glad that part looked like shit because again
487
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a minor spoiler, there's a part where there's a dead
488
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cat because it overdoses on oxy codone and you can
489
00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.440
clearly tell like the cat is just like a puppet,
490
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which again I'm not complaining.
491
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I'm happy that it didn't look real.
492
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But that's the only part that really stood out for
493
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.319
me as far as like practical effects that looked off
494
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.279
because again that head smashing scene like that was gruesome.
495
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.759
That looked like that was out of like terrifier, you know.
496
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:01.960
But yeah, I thought I thought the practical was great.
497
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I thought it was good. War I'll look up to
498
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see who did the practical effects, because I'm curious what
499
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other movies.
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Yeah, and also shot. I will also point out the
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cadaver of Sarah in the house when her mangled body
502
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is in a chair in the f lasted final minutes
503
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of the film. That looked really good too. I mean
504
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that looked really really good. Do we know the name
505
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that I'm curious about this person. How they got with
506
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such a small budget, because though that needed those things
507
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like that, that brick scene, I think Nicky's deterioration, uh,
508
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and the cadaver sort of circumstance. Even the gunshot scene,
509
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the shooting scene was was pretty good. I'm surprised more
510
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people don't recognize how strong those those were.
511
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:59.559
Yeah, it looks like Ali Sheehorn did the special effects.
512
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.759
It doesn't look like you did anything else though, So
513
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really yeah, a super micro budget movie, so they really
514
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utilized whatever they have.
515
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.480
Wow, impressive. I like the score quite a bit. I
516
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.160
don't think enough is said about that synthwave sort of
517
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.839
soft level synthwave score, that use of that hold me
518
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thrill me so on them.
519
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.039
Yeah, the score is done by Rock Burwell. That's his name,
520
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rock Burwell.
521
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.839
Strong score, And these are things I think people don't
522
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talk about. What would you say because I want to
523
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talk about a lot of the positives here because instead
524
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of just going to the overall obvious, Indiannaveret's you know,
525
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.759
performance is the one universal thing. What did you think
526
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.799
of the directing In the cinematography, I actually liked a
527
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lot of these very weird shots where they would pan
528
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slow to the bed in the beginning, and then they
529
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do that at the end, like they do these sort
530
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of slow drops and a little bit of a wide out,
531
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especially considered this was only shot in about three low
532
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three or four four locations. Max.
533
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.119
Yeah, it had heard some really really gorgeous like widescreen
534
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shots of her when she was kind of making like
535
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the transformation, when she was going in and out. There
536
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.160
was one specific scene where she was doing like the
537
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weird movements. You remember that scene where she's like watching
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them sleep. They pulled that off really well, because you know,
539
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:25.599
that could have ruined the movie, that that could have
540
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.960
came off super cheesy, and I thought they pulled it
541
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off really well. And again a lot of that is
542
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.799
because of the camera work, the special effects, her acting.
543
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.319
So it's like a combination of all.
544
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The you know, pros that we're discussing here. So yeah,
545
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I thought the cinematography was good. I mean, this is
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his first movie, literally, and he's got Texas Chainsaw Masker
547
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.000
coming up, so I mean, yeah, you know, and I
548
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.880
trust him with it. I mean, this is a good debut,
549
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.920
you know. I mean, you know, I talk about Chris Stutman.
550
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.640
You know, I watched that guy for over a decade
551
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on YouTube, and I would say this is a better
552
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.799
body of work overall, even though I think I would
553
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.880
probably rewatch Stutman's.
554
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.920
Movie over this, really I would. But to be fair,
555
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.000
I've only watched that once.
556
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I just watched it twice, so I don't see myself
557
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.880
watching Obsession again in the next ten years.
558
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:17.440
I just watched it twice in the same year, so
559
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you know.
560
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Yeah. Now, a couple of things I think is that
561
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co Cogan says Golden Globe nominee. Maybe I want to
562
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.640
talk about that in a second. But Joe Punches brings
563
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.599
up the use of lighting. Aps fucking lutely. There are
564
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scenes where you don't see Nikki at all and it's tense,
565
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and it's to build that tension. Chef's kiss fantastic. Chris
566
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.200
Matthews brings up the use of lighting and Sam was amazing. Yes,
567
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.079
from the moment he made the wish, everything seemed off. Yes,
568
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.440
things were very dark that I think that was on purpose,
569
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you know, as far as that goes, these are things
570
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I don't see enough people talking about that. I will
571
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give the movie that level of just greatness, frankly, But
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for me, I am a snob, I am a theater kid,
573
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I am a performer. I don't see any reason in
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twenty twenty six with you know, with what we get
575
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from all levels of a cinema, cinema and television to
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have shitty, weak acting. And I thought the other principles
577
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were pretty weak, pretty weak. That's not to diminish the
578
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.559
strength of Indie Navaret. Now I've thought about this because
579
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.920
now I've seen her twice and I want to talk
580
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.279
about her for a second again. She was paid very
581
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.359
little money. She had to go back and start walking
582
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.359
dogs after she shot this movie because she they paid
583
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.480
her like forty grand I mean, this is a fucking believable, man,
584
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.799
This is unfucking believable what this girl probably mentally did
585
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:54.480
to herself emotionally to convey that for forty thousand dollars.
586
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.519
You can't you just can't. I can't, man, I just
587
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:05.240
can't let that go realistically as a centophile. Is Indie
588
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Novarette going to be nominated for Golden Globe slash possibly
589
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Academy Award for this performance? I want to get your
590
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.160
honest opinion.
591
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:18.880
I think she will be.
592
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I think she did a good enough job to deserve that,
593
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to be honest with you, like as her debut, and
594
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I think there's enough noise and hype around this movie
595
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.279
and her specifically. I mean, shit, here we are talking
596
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.759
about her for thirty minutes, you know, so obviously she
597
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.599
she did a good job. By the way, the guy's
598
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.559
name bear. His name is Michael Johnston, and I know he's, uh,
599
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.599
he's looking to do some other movies. Again, I wasn't
600
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.480
really impressed by him, to be honest, I thought he
601
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was kind of man. He was passable, but didn't really
602
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.200
stand out to me. But I think she's got a
603
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bright future, you know, she you know what she reminded
604
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.079
me of. She reminded me of like Pearl.
605
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.440
A lot you know, yeah, a lot of people said
606
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that Pearl. You know, the.
607
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Scene where she's smiling like extensively for like a minute straight,
608
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.759
like that's straight out of Pearl, you know, And then
609
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.519
and then I almost think like they they I don't
610
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.200
want to say they were they were nodding their head
611
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.000
to smile because it's only like a two.
612
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:12.640
Year old movie.
613
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:17.039
But that awkward, creepy smile that they incorporated into this movie,
614
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.559
like that was straight out of Smile Man. That was
615
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.519
the same, same kind of smile. But yeah, I mean
616
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.240
there's there's plenty of good stuff about it, you know.
617
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.359
I just I just think it's interesting to you know,
618
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:31.039
kind of you know, uh, kind of dissect it and
619
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.000
tear it apart a little bit because there's just been
620
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.759
so much praise and I don't see any negativity towards it.
621
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.119
And again I'm not here to just completely shit on it,
622
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:39.480
but I do think it is overrated.
623
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.680
Yeah, co Cooked is saying maybe MTV Award, Indie Award,
624
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.160
like you know, perhaps you know, hosts Sam night Live.
625
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.599
I could see that. Now. A couple of things about
626
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.720
Indie Navarette because everybody's like looking at her this week.
627
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.680
She just got launched as the Nation and the National
628
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.880
Gap campaign ad with another actor doing like a dancing thing.
629
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.119
I've seen it. The song is terrible, It's like a
630
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:09.039
Robin song from the UK. She looks amazing. She's very
631
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.079
easy on the eyes. Indy Neverette, she's gorge I mean,
632
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.240
she's a gorgeous cute kid. Also, she did read or
633
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.400
met with the director. I don't know if you know
634
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.319
this shot, but this did happen. It was confirmed she
635
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.119
met with the director of the new X Men reboot,
636
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.519
the live action X Men. Not sure if anything's coming
637
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.440
out of this, you know, but but she is in
638
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.559
this new gap ad that is like a dance ad.
639
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.240
She's dancing in it. She looks really cute. I wonder
640
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:42.839
if we could find that shot because it might be
641
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:47.000
worth playing. She looks really good, like she's she looks
642
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.440
really really good. If she gets I think Golden Globe
643
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.200
is a lock for a nomination. Academy a little different.
644
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.400
I would be very excited for her if that was
645
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.400
the case. We did just get Web Award for Weapons,
646
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.000
we got Award for Sinners, Demi Moore got a Substance Award,
647
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:11.119
Margot Quailey got a Golden Globe nomination. You know, you know,
648
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.279
so we are we are getting about as close as
649
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.839
you can get. I mean, we just gave an award
650
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.039
to a horror movie to horror movies last year at
651
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.160
the Academy Awards. Uh and of course, for people don't know,
652
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.920
weapons came out around a year ago this week. By
653
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.359
the way, weapons came out around a year ago this week.
654
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.200
Interesting enough. I don't know if you could just find
655
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.640
the indie never at gap ad.
656
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:36.039
Let me see.
657
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.240
I'm just curious. It just came out. It's a terrible ad,
658
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.960
and people are making fun of the ad, but they're
659
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.920
not making fun of her. And she looks amazeballs. Yes,
660
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.079
Southern Tranquila. Another X Men reboot. Well, yeah, of course
661
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.160
there is. It's the X Men. They're gonna make more
662
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.000
of it. Okay, yeah, this is it.
663
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:57.480
We're going.
664
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:08.320
Wow, she looks great. Huh what do you think? She
665
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:09.360
looks really good?
666
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.519
She looks great, She looks great. I just I don't
667
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.079
want her to uh.
668
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.440
I feel like this happens with every Horror new like
669
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.679
Horror Queen that we find. You know, this happened with
670
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.840
Mia Goth, This happened with the girl from which I'm
671
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:23.840
blanking on her name.
672
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:28.360
Yeah, but this is like right.
673
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.599
Off the bat, dude, She's on one movie immediately, like
674
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.639
you know, at least at least with Mia Goth. We
675
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.800
got a couple of horror movies out of her before
676
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.480
you know, she resigned and joined the Marvel and DC
677
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.320
and all that shit.
678
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.079
So Anya Taylor Joy yeah, uh, you know has a
679
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.320
wide body of work. Now I think she just got married,
680
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.760
so she and uh and you know, we have seen
681
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.239
this with Mia goth you know, shot, somebody brought this up.
682
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.000
This is not my thing, but they were talking about
683
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.480
how the substance and weapons and probably Indian navarette and
684
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.079
they gotta get awards. And we've you know, exhausted the
685
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.119
hereditary portion of this to death. But a lot of
686
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:08.719
people feel like if Hereditary or say Pearl, came out today,
687
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.599
both Tony Colette and Mia goth would get nominated for
688
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.880
a major awards. And I think that might be right.
689
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.280
I think I think the palette is a little different now,
690
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.440
don't you think that's a little bit more palatable to.
691
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.760
Say, Yeah, I think Tony Collette for sure, I think
692
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:25.639
one hundred percent.
693
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:26.159
She would win it.
694
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.960
Mia Gotha, I mean, I would personally love to see it,
695
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.039
but I think Tony collect that's that's more realistic. But yeah,
696
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.480
I agree, man, I mean twenty eighteen Hereditary, if that
697
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:37.960
came out in twenty twenty six.
698
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.079
It would blow up, dude.
699
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:42.639
I think that would be one of the most talked
700
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.639
about movies of the year if it came out today.
701
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.119
Also, this is true, Joe punches Michael Mann. She just
702
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.719
met with Michael Mann possibly for Heat two.
703
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:54.159
Shah.
704
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:55.679
Kind of a big deal.
705
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.079
I mean I would be more okay with that and
706
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.039
her doing a Marvel movie. I mean I love Michael Mann, so.
707
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.960
He too. Kind of a kind of a big deal.
708
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.760
You see who's in that, right, I mean it's like
709
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.679
Leo and fucking like this big fucking names and that
710
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.880
dads to that already.
711
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.800
Bro. Yeah, let me see who else was in there?
712
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.159
He too? Confirmed? He You want to just see the
713
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:26.960
confirmed because they had people like Austin Butler possibly, Adam Driver.
714
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.559
Leo is confirmed, and I think Christian Bale might be confirmed.
715
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:40.159
So yeah, here I'll shore Christian Bale is and DiCaprio
716
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.480
definitely is as well. Oh my god, Stephen Graham, Adam Driver,
717
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.000
Jason Clark.
718
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.480
Oh my god, he's a good actress man.
719
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:50.880
Anybody else.
720
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.039
So you're telling me she could be a female principle
721
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:56.280
in a movie with those men.
722
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.800
Yeah, it's pretty much just those five so far.
723
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.440
Okay, But like it's a solid list.
724
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.199
Mean shit.
725
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.039
I mean, you go from being in a movie with
726
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.360
you know, those indie the kid Kurry Parker's friends there
727
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.400
to being in a movie with Christian Bale and Leo
728
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.519
directed by Michael Mann. I mean, even if she doesn't
729
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.760
get any noms, dude, if she gets a principal role
730
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.480
in Heat two from this movie, who in the world
731
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.199
can you think of any jump that even Mia Goth
732
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.360
doesn't get jumped? I tell you all, Enjoy doesn't get
733
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:35.360
jumps like that, bro.
734
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.800
I mean the last movie that that was this successful
735
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.599
with such a little budget was Terrifier.
736
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.639
But I mean look at today. I mean it's you know,
737
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:45.679
it's night and day with her.
738
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.840
That is pretty funny though, when you think about it,
739
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.519
like Terrifier, is this in a lot of ways, Yeah,
740
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.320
nobody's getting nothing really good, even the.
741
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.960
Girl like she didn't get anything out of her she
742
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.159
started doing a low budget movie that so, I mean, yeah,
743
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.239
I don't know, man, it's very weird. You don't ord
744
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.400
her to do anything else.
745
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.239
Really, It's funny because all three of us after two
746
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.920
did say that we thought she was gonna get upped,
747
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.119
you know, because of how good she was do you
748
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:18.039
think the stigma of that because it's so extreme at
749
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.800
the end of the day, where Obsession is really not,
750
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.000
do you think that may have something some play on that.
751
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:25.679
I think so.
752
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.639
I think at the end of the day, no matter
753
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.320
how successful Terrifier is, I mean on a corporate level,
754
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:34.599
like Marvel directors aren't gonna want to work with a
755
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.039
girl that did Terrify, It's still like a taboo film
756
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.760
at the end of the day, you know, like it's.
757
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.079
It's different than Obsession. Obsession is still, you.
758
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.400
Know, at the end of the day, very much a
759
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.599
Blumhouse film, like it didn't. If I watched this, I
760
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.920
could guarantee you it's not an a twenty four Neon
761
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.039
movie because it wasn't weird enough, you know what I mean.
762
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.599
It was just it rode that wave, you know, it
763
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:55.559
stood that line man.
764
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.239
So I don't I wouldn't compare anything to Terrified that
765
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.119
we've seen in the last ten years. You know, that
766
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.360
kind of stands on its own, and it was a
767
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:04.880
good thing for it to go viral. But I don't
768
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.639
think it's gonna be a good thing for long term
769
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.079
for the cast, because that's all they're going to be
770
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.719
able to really do is terrify her.
771
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:15.360
Yeah. Yeah, and we've talked about that too, Like Laura Levera,
772
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.800
you know, I I she hasn't done what her predecessors
773
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.400
have done cinematically, That's all I'm saying. I mean, like
774
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.280
she's good for that. And by the way, very cute.
775
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.199
By the way, looks a lot like Indie Navarette. Guys,
776
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.880
they look a lot. They have a very similar look
777
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:41.199
to them, you know, can't really deny it. She hasn't
778
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.400
really shown that range. She's shown that she's good shot
779
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.000
in horror movies. I could see a Laura and Levera
780
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.599
getting a bigger budget horror movie. I could see Indy
781
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.760
Navarette getting a fucking TV show, you know what I mean?
782
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.880
She has a different level. I think of Indie Navarette
783
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.960
looks like a very cute girl on a very bad
784
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:04.480
TV show. Why don't you say?
785
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.360
Yeah, I mean, she's definitely got a bright future. As
786
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.639
far as Lauren what's her name? Lavera?
787
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.639
Yeah, I mean, dude, sadly, I don't even see her
788
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.280
doing anything horror wise like she she certainly could, like
789
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.840
I don't. I don't see why she can't be Like
790
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.920
in the next I don't know final destination, right, Like,
791
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.119
why can't she be like a finals?
792
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.960
It would be good for her, shot, that would be
793
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.159
we would all be like, good for her. She's got
794
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.079
a principal and final destination great?
795
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:28.800
Right yeah?
796
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.960
Or like you know, I know they're doing a sequel
797
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.559
to Heart Eyes. I know that was pretty successful, like
798
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movies like that, I can see her doing. I don't
799
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.360
see why not she was decent enough to be able to,
800
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:38.559
you know, carry those roles.
801
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.119
Yeah, So I don't know.
802
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.280
I have no idea why she's been so silent, But
803
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.519
we haven't heard a single beat from her since since then.
804
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.519
So yeah, a little strange, you know, and given Chris
805
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.719
Matthews just says the same thing, has not shown the range,
806
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.639
you know, Indian Naverette showed a lot of range. Uh.
807
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.400
And she seems very likable, she seems very affable. The
808
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.760
people are finding these reels of her that she made
809
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.199
when she was like nothing, and she's so goddamn she
810
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.920
just seems like a goddamn approachable girl. And look, she
811
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.400
blew the doors up for us. But shah, the big
812
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.639
question without getting too particular, because there's another side to this,
813
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:22.159
I really want to examine with you. Is this one
814
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.639
of the best horror films of the year. I'm talking
815
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.360
about overall horror films of the year, a top five.
816
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.599
As of this moment, it's in my top five, but
817
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.239
I don't think it's gonna survive. I think it's it's
818
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.320
definitely gonna be my top ten. I just don't see
819
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.760
being in my top five, you know right now it
820
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:44.119
is though. Right now it's my top three.
821
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:48.280
Absolutely, it's my top three. The things that heard that
822
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.800
we've exhausted. I will say I think back Rooms is
823
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.559
a better movie, in part because everyone in that movie
824
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.159
is very good. I think the pacing in back Rooms,
825
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.960
which I'm a big critical of. A lot of people
826
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are too I know you are too, be showings too.
827
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I think the pacing in back Rooms is in league
828
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.960
with what they were doing in the movie. As far
829
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.119
as that goes. I will say Obsession is the top
830
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.000
three for me. I will rewatch back Rooms. I'm going
831
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.400
to rewatch all of these before the end of the year.
832
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.440
I have my top ten as of right now. It's
833
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.079
teetering between two and three on the strength of Indie Navaret,
834
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.360
you know, and all of the things that we mentioned.
835
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.679
I will say I think back Rooms is maybe one
836
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.639
of the best. I think it's fair to compare because
837
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.800
that came out close. I also have Hulk Them in
838
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.920
that category. I have a Bone Temple in that category,
839
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.639
and I have that very odd movie. I keep telling
840
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.960
you to watch that. Most people didn't watch the audio
841
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.000
the podcast one.
842
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.119
Oh I was gonna watch the other night too.
843
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:04.880
Oh, you need to You really need to watch that.
844
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.760
I have HBO Max now too.
845
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.000
You really need to watch that. That is an indie movie.
846
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.599
Oh god, somebody g checked me in the chat that
847
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.440
the podcast horror movie. That almost No, I'm the only
848
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:21.880
one I know who saw that movie. Winnie did not
849
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.920
like it. She did not care for that movie. What
850
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.719
the fuck is that called? You know what I'm talking about?
851
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:31.880
Right underneath Undertone? Yeah, thank you, don Stony too. Undertone
852
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:36.800
needs to be in this conversation with these films, indie,
853
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:44.559
low budget basically one location. The ending is absolute fucking
854
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.880
banana nonsense, crazy shit like absolute bananas. That Canadian horror movie.
855
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.679
I think the taking of Matthew Nichols. That weird one.
856
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.119
I'm the only one I know who saw which I said, no,
857
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.199
it's a little paint by numbers. But the last twenty
858
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.239
minutes definitely puts it in the top ten. And h
859
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:01.599
I'm gonna go and live me here, and I think
860
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.960
you're gonna say it too. As of right now, I
861
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.800
got Lee Cronin's Bummy at the top ten.
862
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:08.599
Absolutely, it's in my top five.
863
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.920
Oh shit, yeah, it's my top I'm honestly, I might
864
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.079
like it better than this movie, to be honest with you, man,
865
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.800
I might cause Again, dude, this is my kind of
866
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.320
my problem with the movie is I don't feel like
867
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.880
it got like fair criticism. I think people were like
868
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:28.159
afraid to criticize this movie a little bit because you know,
869
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.519
there's so many like logical loopholes in this movie. Like,
870
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.159
for example, you know when I say another example of
871
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.119
it being basic is you know Bear, Like there's really
872
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:38.719
no depth to his character.
873
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:39.360
It's just like a.
874
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.519
Nerdy guy crush on the hottest girl in the school.
875
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.400
Like it's very fucking surface level. And then even like Nikki,
876
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.960
it never really flushes out like is she able to
877
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.599
does she have any control of this? You know, did
878
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.280
she ever have a crush on him? They could have
879
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.800
added that in there, maybe they had. Honestly, if they
880
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.840
would have added maybe they got drunk one night and
881
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.039
had sex and then he'd be obsessed with her.
882
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.199
That would have been an interesting way to open the fe.
883
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.119
Like Adam a little bit to it. It's just it's so random.
884
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:07.480
Were it's just like, oh, I have a crush on
885
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.559
this girl. I'm just gonna put a curse on her
886
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.880
and make her obsessed with me. And then they never
887
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.079
really explained like she's trapped inside and she comes in
888
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:14.440
and out.
889
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.760
It's it's very confusing, you know, I don't I don't know.
890
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.559
Well, I just done better, I will say. The one
891
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:23.360
thing I thought I felt a little forced in the
892
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.199
film was contextually when Sarah tells him that there Ian's
893
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.280
been fucking her like for a while, and I was
894
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.039
like they had virtually no That just seemed very forced
895
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.679
to me, Like that wasn't necessary in the plot, Like
896
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.960
like I thought these people were all friends, and it's
897
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.159
like wouldn't But why would he be trying to get
898
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:41.960
him to set her up with him knowing that he's
899
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.559
fucking her? Like It's just very strange, Like Chris Matthews said,
900
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.679
the Ian's like the worst friend. And look, I want
901
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:48.960
to get to this because I think this is an
902
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.320
important thing to add to this movie, because there's a
903
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.760
big thing that happened this week about the film that
904
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.760
we have to discuss, unlike a lot of other movies
905
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:03.320
that have messages, and because this had so many people
906
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.559
see it who normally don't watch horror movies on the regular.
907
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.280
People have a very sick parasocial relationship with this movie.
908
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:20.360
People have been making like long form tiktoks substacks dossier's
909
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:27.400
character studies on Bear, on sexual abuse in the movie,
910
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.800
on how Bear's the bad guy, Nikki's not the bad guy,
911
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.480
and this is all relative because this is going to
912
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.239
take a life of its own. Like there's a certain
913
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:40.920
sort of bizarre parasocial relationship taking place with this movie
914
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:45.920
that I have not seen maybe ever ever, and I'm
915
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.239
dead ass serious before ever with a film where people
916
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.400
are approaching this shot almost as if this is a
917
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.599
real life situation and that they have taken, possibly their
918
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.599
own experience with people who love bomb them, or they've
919
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.239
had or I have had crushes on them, or god
920
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.360
dare I say it, sexually abuse them or possibly rape
921
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.719
them in some way, and applying that to a fictitious
922
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.119
monkeys Paw movie, low budget about a dude who makes
923
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:25.800
a wish on a stick, And I don't understand who
924
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.639
in their right mind would take a real life trauma
925
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.440
and then say this movie, which, by the way, as
926
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.360
I've watched it a second time, I didn't realize how
927
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.920
intentionally funny a lot of this was supposed to be,
928
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.320
like laugh out loud funny. There's comedy in this movie.
929
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.639
There's a lot of comic relief in this movie. And
930
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.599
I think this is a generational thing, like people under
931
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.559
thirty and maybe like in their twenties, where every form
932
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.400
of entertainment and anything that they ingest they have to
933
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.920
look through the lens of their life and what's going
934
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.199
on in the world. Like I cannot tell you how
935
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.920
many bizarre shit bag takes I have seen from people
936
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.280
who are trying to do this long form thing talking
937
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:17.119
about Bear is the worst person that's ever lived because
938
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.920
he's sexually abused her. And I'm like, Okay, you're taking
939
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:25.440
this in a con contextually, you're not like wrong, but like,
940
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.559
why are people taking this film in particular Shah and
941
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:35.599
applying real life awfulness as if this could really happen.
942
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.280
It's it's bizarre to me.
943
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.039
Yeah, So two points really quickly.
944
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.039
So you mentioned trauma, Like, obviously that's like the center
945
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.280
point of most of these movies, right, like a twenty
946
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:49.440
four neon. All these movies that they're doing either has
947
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:54.960
family trauma, relationship trauma, some sort of like psychological collapse, right, Like,
948
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.000
it's one of those happens in this movie. And again
949
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.199
this is no different than those, but it just it
950
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.960
didn't stand out to me, And to be honest with you, like,
951
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.960
I feel like a lot of its success is contributed
952
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.280
to that because it's it's very simple premise where like
953
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.679
a lot of girls nowadays, right they say that, oh,
954
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.800
I'm traumatized from my past relationship. So it's it's very
955
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.559
relatable to like the gen z because that's.
956
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.599
How they talk, you know, like this trauma stuff.
957
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.840
Every girl's traumatized nowadays, that's all they talk about. So
958
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.639
I feel like a lot of the success was because
959
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:28.800
a lot of people almost want to relate to this,
960
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.239
Like a lot of people love being victims nowadays. One
961
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.280
last thing, the sexual assault thing before you even said that.
962
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.360
When I first watched this movie, I thought it was
963
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.599
kind of weird. When I watched it the second time,
964
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:39.960
I was.
965
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.280
Like, I'm surprised. Not enough people are mentioning this like yeah,
966
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.320
this is oh they are this dude basically like yeah,
967
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.679
he set her up to have no choice but to
968
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:49.559
have sex with this guy.
969
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.119
Like I, it is fucked up. You don't really think
970
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.199
about it. So yeah, I think Bear is the bad
971
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:56.800
guy in this. To be honest with you, I think
972
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.199
he's he should be the antagonist.
973
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.519
Well, I don't know. But the thing is, I don't
974
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.719
know why that's so so ambiguous to people either. Right,
975
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.159
I'm not saying Bears not the bad guy. I'm saying
976
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.559
that I'll get all right, let me rewind the clock.
977
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.840
I watched this with a twenty one year old My
978
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.840
daughter's twenty one years old, okay, she's twenty year old,
979
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.599
twenty one year old college student okay, And she loved
980
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.079
the movie. And I talked to her about this afterwards
981
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.599
a couple of weeks ago, and I said, you know,
982
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.159
I know she's not on TikTok she's not on Instagram anymore.
983
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.079
She just doesn't do that shit, which is great. My
984
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.039
kids aren't really that into social media. I don't know
985
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.519
why they're just not. My kids are pretty studious. So
986
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.639
she's an engineering major graduating this year, so she's got
987
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.320
a little bit more. She doesn't have that kind of time,
988
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.599
so she's more of a bookworm person. She does not
989
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.599
watch her movies. She loved the movie shot the movie
990
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.719
was fantastic. She loved it, loved it, loved it. I
991
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:58.480
approached her with this because I presumed that she would
992
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:03.039
have she would ascribe similar feelings. She didn't think Bear
993
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.639
was really that bad at all. She felt bad for
994
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:09.480
Bear because she felt like, this is her opinion, not mine.
995
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.559
She felt like everyone around Bear was being dishonest with
996
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.239
him about their feelings for everyone else. The girl who
997
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.280
really liked him didn't tell him. His best friend, who
998
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:21.880
was trying to get him took up with her, was
999
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.880
really fucking the girl that he was in love with,
1000
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:25.960
the girl that he was in love with. She was
1001
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.880
convinced that Nikki knew that Bear was in love with
1002
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.960
her and probably liked it like like that because he's harmless,
1003
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.679
you know, not knowing that any of these things would happen.
1004
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:40.000
I ascribed all of the things that I said to
1005
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.519
people in her age group, you know. But her whole
1006
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.000
thing was, yeah, but it's a movie though, right, I mean,
1007
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:50.519
it's not real life that couldn't happen in real life.
1008
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.360
And I'm like, oh, thank god. My twenty one year old,
1009
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:57.440
you know, college senior, you know, is saying something because
1010
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.880
she's a bookworm who's you know, an engineering major. So
1011
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.800
she's like, yeah, but this is all made up anyway,
1012
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.119
So why would you so horror thing was like, why
1013
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.239
would people act like this could really happen? And this
1014
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.880
was what takes me to the story that broke today
1015
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.280
or yesterday, And I still I just can't believe this
1016
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:21.320
is happening. So Universal's Horror Halloween Horror Nights, you know,
1017
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:22.840
you know I'm talking about Scheid. It's very big. It
1018
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.159
gets bigger every year. People travel literally from all over
1019
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.800
the world to Orlando's Universal Studios for the Halloween Horror Nights.
1020
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.440
Every year. It starts earlier every year, it ends later.
1021
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.079
And they've added Arthur Clown and Pinhead and all these
1022
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.559
other characters and noah, da da dah. And it's a
1023
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.159
massive thing. You know. It costs a fortune to get in.
1024
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.760
We see clips of it every year, We talk about
1025
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.760
it all the time. Yesterday they announced that as a character,
1026
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.519
Freaky Nikki is going to be added to the cast
1027
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.840
of characters at the Universal Horror Nights this year, and
1028
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:07.599
boy are some people upset. I mean, like really upset. Now,
1029
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:13.480
it was met with some backlash from people who have
1030
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:18.360
these feelings that say, why is she being portrayed in
1031
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:23.400
the same category as Michael Myers and Jason and Arthur
1032
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.639
Clown when in fact, Shah, she is the victim in
1033
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:32.039
a movie, not the bad guy, not the antagonist, and
1034
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.639
it minimizes her sexual assault and trauma by having a
1035
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.760
character walk around pretending to be freaking Nicki. And this
1036
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.960
was a huge thing that is going on even right
1037
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.119
now today. By time, this airs from people who are
1038
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:55.119
so parasocially connected to this movie that they cannot look
1039
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.239
through it through any other lens other than that she
1040
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.679
is a victim. And I just wanted to throw that
1041
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.519
into the conversation because it's an important part of what
1042
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:05.400
we're talking about.
1043
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.239
Yeah, honestly, I think that's a that's a bit of
1044
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.639
a reach, and I am surprised that she's going to be,
1045
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.000
you know, part of that, because again it's a brand
1046
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.280
new movie, it's unknown. But at the same time, I
1047
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.239
think they've had like really powerful and brilliant marketing because
1048
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.960
if you look at this like movie, you know, the
1049
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:24.679
scene where she hits herself with the brick and she's
1050
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:29.000
bleeding like that, that thumbnail alone basically can like describe
1051
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.639
this whole movie in one thumbnail, you know. And I
1052
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.599
think that's that's the good marketing behind this movie. And
1053
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.639
it's it's simple, but it can kind of reach the
1054
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.119
masses with very little effort, you know. I think that's
1055
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:42.960
why it's successful. You look at like the stare and
1056
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.199
the smile that she had that I mentioned, very similar
1057
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.000
to the Smile movie No pun intended, and even like
1058
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:49.039
the movements, all.
1059
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.599
Of these things.
1060
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.199
It's almost like art the clown where it immediately becomes
1061
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.880
this like legendary horror figure, where I think a lot
1062
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:01.639
of movies can accomplish that, whereas this one did overnight.
1063
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:02.199
Essentially.
1064
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.320
I'm still surprised, though, I mean I don't I don't
1065
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.719
necessarily think it deserves to be, you know, on that
1066
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.599
stage with the universal monsters. But you know, here we are, man,
1067
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:13.920
I've seen stranger things in twenty twenty six.
1068
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.119
Well, well, you say you're surprised, You're not surprised because
1069
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:19.760
of the context. You're you're not surprised because of the
1070
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.400
reasons that people are verbalizing why they're so upset. You're
1071
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:27.000
surprised because you don't think it belongs in the context
1072
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.840
of a leather face, right, or what the fuck's the
1073
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.039
killer from Scream? What the fuck the ghost face?
1074
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.440
Ghost face? Yeah?
1075
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.920
Or Arthur Clown. You know, they added Arthur Clown a
1076
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.320
couple of years ago and it was arousing success. They
1077
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.480
built the whole stadium around Arthur Clown. Uh. I think
1078
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.960
they had to do it shot because the movie made
1079
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.760
almost a half a billion fucking dollars. That's why they
1080
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.159
had to do it. And there are people saying they
1081
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.000
are gonna go as freaking Nikki for Halloween. I've seen
1082
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.800
that from people, which I good luck, I mean, you gotta.
1083
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.559
I'm sure it's gonna be a lot of uggoes and
1084
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.079
larn asses pulling that off, which is gonna be hilarious.
1085
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.440
But the people aren't upset because they don't think it
1086
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.920
belongs in that context. They're upset because they don't think
1087
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:16.239
she's a villain. That's my point is that in their mind,
1088
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:21.639
this is trivializing the abuse that she took, because she
1089
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.480
did this through no fault of her own, completely whitewashing,
1090
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.920
shot over people. Like basically every horror villain is some
1091
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.840
sort of victim of some unfortunate circumstance which has turned
1092
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.159
them into this. Correct, I mean, why did they not
1093
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:41.239
have these feelings about people brought up Linda Blair and
1094
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.679
The Exorcist, or the Twins from the Shining or even
1095
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.679
Jason Vories for that matter, you know, like and just
1096
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.000
by the way, the it Clown, the original man who
1097
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.320
constitutes the it Clown, Yeah, he's a victim of that too,
1098
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:59.239
if you watch the TV show and Candy Man and
1099
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.519
on and on and on and on. They don't have
1100
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.719
issues with that. They have issues with this because unlike that,
1101
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.199
this they have put into their own personal life. They
1102
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:14.639
have put this into the world that they are living in,
1103
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.280
as if this could really happen. It's so fucking dumb.
1104
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:24.639
It's a unique stupidity, Like you're beef with them, adding
1105
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.679
it has nothing to do with any of the things
1106
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:27.480
that I'm referring to.
1107
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:33.440
Correct, No, No, So I understand like why it would
1108
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:38.480
be because again, overnight, it became like an instantly recognizable
1109
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.519
horror character. You know, Like I get that even in
1110
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:44.599
our thumbnail. That's what every girl's gonna dress like in Halloween.
1111
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:46.760
That one image with her bleeding from the side of
1112
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:48.239
the head, Like, that's iconic already.
1113
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:48.719
I get it.
1114
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.800
I think people are super sensitive though if they're saying, oh,
1115
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.199
she can't be the villain, like or reaching. I agree
1116
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.719
that Bear is technically the villain in this movie, but
1117
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.760
she is the horror. I No one's gonna remember Bear, like,
1118
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.440
that's not what we took away from this movie. Man,
1119
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.239
we everybody kind of fell in love with like the
1120
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.199
Nikki character. You know, maybe fell in love is a
1121
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.159
bit of a reach, but at least was you know,
1122
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:14.320
gravitated more towards like the Niki character.
1123
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:16.920
But yeah, I don't know.
1124
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.119
Do you think if this movie made you know, let's say,
1125
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.880
like ten million instead of you know, the half a
1126
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.440
billion it made, do you think we'd be still talking
1127
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.159
about this movie? Do you think a lot of it
1128
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:28.599
is just from the success or how original it was?
1129
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.880
I think we would be talking about it. Yeah, I
1130
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.880
think we would be talking about it for sure. We
1131
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:39.679
go back a few years ago to that foreign Spanish
1132
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.400
horror movie that a lot of people didn't know about,
1133
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:44.079
and then we all saw it and said, oh my god,
1134
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:45.719
oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh
1135
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:45.960
my god.
1136
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.719
Oh when evil lurks, When evil lurks?
1137
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:50.960
Right? Like, that didn't make up you know, you know,
1138
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:52.599
I don't know if that made more than a couple
1139
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.760
of one hundred grand in our country and it wasn't theaters.
1140
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.000
It played in theaters here. We could shut the fuck
1141
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.800
up about that for like six months, you know what
1142
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.480
I mean. I don't you know. That's an interesting point.
1143
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.719
I guess we'll never really know, right. I think it
1144
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.559
would be an indie underground thing that you would be like, oh, man,
1145
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.480
I just got this blu ray of this movie. I
1146
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:16.880
don't know, a lot of people never heard of it.
1147
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:18.559
It didn't come out in theaters. It went right to
1148
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.639
fucking digital. But it's called obsession. You guys got checked
1149
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.280
this out. It's fucking weird, man, I never heard anybody
1150
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:28.239
in it. It's really weird. We would probably have that vibe, right,
1151
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:34.719
But you can't talk about the movie without the success,
1152
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.360
right like you can't. You can't separate the success because
1153
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.079
it's a big part of the conversation. I will say, Shot,
1154
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.280
unlike other movies that we have enjoyed, whether it's the
1155
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:49.800
substance or that movie that you just what's the name
1156
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.800
of that movie? The evil movie? What the fuck were
1157
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.679
evil Lurks or you know, or you know, even Toxic
1158
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.920
Avenger for that matter. I do think this movie in particular,
1159
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:01.880
and I said this on social media, and I got
1160
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.639
a couple thousand likes, which I don't get from my
1161
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:08.360
horror tweets, got like almost twenty five hundred likes. You
1162
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.920
could tell a lot of people who saw Obsession never
1163
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:17.360
watch horror movies because they completely have no idea how
1164
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.840
to disconnect from something fantasy and something in reality. We're
1165
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.599
all wrestling fans in nature, so we know how to
1166
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:30.360
suspend our disbelief pretty easily. Right, You've suspended disbelief in
1167
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.400
an arena, probably watching it. We've all done it. We've
1168
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.599
done it, and even though we know what we watch
1169
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.000
isn't the thing we've Oh, that was the thing that
1170
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:40.400
he really did that, he really hit that guy, He
1171
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.920
really did that. We know how to do that. I
1172
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.800
think Obsession, because of its popularity, attracted a shit ton
1173
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.800
of people who do not know how to suspend their
1174
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.079
disbelief and who also are very unwell. Because we have
1175
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.159
a culture of unwell, unstable diet to people who have
1176
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.159
diagnosed themselves with mental illness that they probably do what
1177
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.760
do not have, and they cannot do anything but attach
1178
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.320
their life to everything that they touch, So everything they
1179
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.239
touch has to be painted with the brush of their
1180
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.920
identity or their life experience or the lack of recognizing
1181
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:22.159
the pain in you know, minorities or marginalized groups and
1182
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.960
all this other stuff. I'm surprised nobody said, hey, there's
1183
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:26.920
a lot of white people in obsession, like you know
1184
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.239
what I mean, Like, I just it's just they can't
1185
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.119
help themselves. They're so unwell and so online that they
1186
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.480
don't know how to not do it. And that is
1187
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.079
not really the horror community.
1188
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:39.719
You know.
1189
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.880
Didn't Terrify her three open with Art the Clown murdering
1190
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:47.159
children on Christmas Morning? Or Am I making that up?
1191
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Yeah?
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Did you see anybody upset going as a Christmas follower
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who has a child. I could not believe that Art
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the Clown murdered a set year old on Christmas morning?
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Why because only niche people really saw that movie, right,
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like people horror fans go to see Terrifier, right, I
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think unwell young people were flocking to this movie because
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it was trendy because it was a director in their
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age group. And then they immediately walked out and said
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that was about that was about sexual abuse, you know,
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instead of being about Wow, that's a crazy movie about
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a monkey's pah, don't don't always you know, it's really
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about sha. You may not want to get what you
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wish for because it's not going to turn out well.
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That's my thing. I think obsession people are too obsessed
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with obsession. You should not see that film and think
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about some awful thing that happened to you with a
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camp counselor in ninth grade. It's it's not about you, dude,
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you know what I mean? Like, I don't know how
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else to say it anymore. I'm tired of these unwell
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people sticking their fucking nonsense and their fucking uh, you know, timidness,
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and their unwell behavior in every genre that I like.
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They've ruined comic books, they've ruined wrestling, They've ruined the Internet,
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They've ruined politics, they've ruined books, they've ruined Harry Potter,
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They're ruining every sport. Can we just leave horror alone?
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Or is it too late?
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Yeah?
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I think a lot of people it's going to be
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challenging because a lot of people, you know, they've vicariously
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lived through movies, through wrestlings, through you know, comic books,
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et cetera, et cetera, So they live through these like
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themes and movies. So I kind of get that, but
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it is annoying, you know, because they do ruin essentially everything.
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And I know we're running out of time.
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I do want to mention one last thing though, real quick.
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You mentioned, you know, suspending your disbelief like wrestling, and
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you also mentioned, you know how a lot of horror
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fans probably didn't watch this movie, and I agree with
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both of those because one, it's very hard to suspend
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your disbelief with this movie because one of the main
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plot holes that like completely just took me out where
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I was like, dude, what, Like it's it's because the
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one wish willow is widely available to people to just
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buy at the store. So if this thing really works,
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why isn't everybody just doing this? Like the one guy
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wished for a billion dollars and a billion dollars just
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rained on him, Like why wouldn't every single person in
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the world just become a billionaire overnight?
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Then, like I have I have a theory on that,
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can I tell you I don't. I don't think it's
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as I think there was just a few of them
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and they sold out quickly. But but like you know,
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I think it's like a rare import, right, or a
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rare Blu ray, or a rare album. That's what I think.
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I don't think it was of tens of millions, tens
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of thousands of people. I'm making wishes. I think no,
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there was a few boxes, maybe a box here and there,
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and it was a novelty thing, and maybe people flippantly
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wished for Oh I wish I wasn't fat, and the
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next thing they were thin, and they're like, oh wait, shit,
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that worked, like you know that kind of thing. That's
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an interesting premise. I think, unfortunately, they might make a
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follow up because it was just so successful, won't have
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the same impact. I would make a wish that I
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wish unwell people would stop ruining things. I like, that
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would be what my wish? What would your wish be? Uh?
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My wish would probably.
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Be a pug and everything else, infinite.
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Amount of I was gonna say, infinite amount of pugs
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that can live forever, you know, I want my pugs
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to outlive me.
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There you go, there you go, and look I got,
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I got Winnie Pickles is Uh, she's she's done with
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the conversation. She's out, she's finished with it. Anyway, we're
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gonna head on out. Uh. And of course we hope
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B Show Brian's that is the pug Sleeping b Show.
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Brian will be back next week on the regular show. Uh.
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And of course we'll have a special line of the
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plugs and UH. And of course keep in mind we'll
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be getting a bonus show out to you over the weekend.
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And thank you guys for hanging out with us tonight.
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We'll be back in the regular schedule show next week.
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Thanks everybody hanging out in the chat.
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Peace.