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to town in this stadium, in this state. Adam, I
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think we got a much better shot to win that
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game than people think. By the way, we'll talk about
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that later. But joining us right now on the air.
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He is our shrink. He is our therapist.
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Oh he's gone. Okay, Well you know what everyone.
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They didn't want to talk about the Mariners.
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I mean with you, hey, dude, have.
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We reached that point where it's Loop Penello stories now
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with Brett Boone?
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No, I don't think we have either.
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That happens when they are seriously out of playoff contention,
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which they are.
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Oh God, if they get to a point where it's
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we had Boonie on. Was it last year or was
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it three years ago twenty twenty one where the team
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was so bad that there was nothing left to talk
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about but have Brett.
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Was at the beginning of the year before they made
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the run.
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We had Booty tell Lou Panella stories on the air.
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Now there's their low watermark. Don't you know that?
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They have not been three games out all season long
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until today?
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Thank you, Dick.
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That makes me feel much better. Brett Boone with us, Boney,
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do we have you?
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Yes?
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What would you like to know about Lou this week?
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Okay? How about this? How about this?
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Let's talk about the Brett Boone podcast?
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Shall we?
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There you go?
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What would Lou's reaction be to everything that happened in
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Detroit with this offense?
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How would Lou have handled.
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I'll tell you what he It would be entertaining from
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a player's perspective. Now we'd be getting out of there
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quick and let Lou do his thing. But yeah, wouldn't
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it would and it would not be pretty.
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This wasn't pretty.
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I'll tell you what I had. I was watching the
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game and when it started off, they walked for.
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In the first thing, they said, all right, well, they're
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gonna get up.
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You never want to lose two out of three Detroit,
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but they're gonna take this. One's throwing, he's shoving. And
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then my Aida comes into the game. And my Aid
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has had his struggles this year. He's got a six
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plus Ernie, but he's pitching like old Maaida, And I said, man,
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the way the Mariners are swinging right now, he might
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be tough. And he pitched five inn he's pretty darn
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good and kept him in the game. And then the
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Baiez homer. You know, he's got five homers this year
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off Moonhos and I can't and I can't put it
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on Moon.
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He's been great.
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He's been great, and that's going to happen on a cagion.
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But just you can't keep putting yourself you know, you're
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in position to win every night. It seems like I
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look up in the fifth any of them, there's one rod,
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there's zero runs, and it keeps going, and it's it's
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tough at this stage of the season. You got forty
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games to go. The thing I don't like about it,
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why it's trending right now, is the way Houston had
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a day off today it's more eighth straight.
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They're watching this.
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They're watching this, and they got Berlander coming back at
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the right time. Tucker's getting closer to coming back. Alvarez
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is starting to be the MVP that he's been the
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last year's That bullpen's coming on strong. At the beginning
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of the year, remember all that problem they had with
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Hater and Presley, they were thirteen in the American League.
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Their bullpen, by.
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The way, now is number two. And it seems like
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they're hitting their stride at the right time. And they're
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watching the Mariners right now and they know that they're
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just having trouble scoring. Rolex Julio comes out of the
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you know, doesn't play today after last night, kind of
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tweaking it on that running down the first base.
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Things aren't going very good right now, boys, And.
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All I can say is, if you're in that clubhouse
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at this time, you're going to go up and down.
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You won two out of three from the Phillies. The
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city's on fire, you sweep the Mets. Everybody's excited than this.
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Now we're on the other side of the Ledger, and
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I'm all for fans voicing their opinions, and they're pissed off,
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and they should be. And that's as players, we've got
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to be able to take that. But you got forty
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games to go. We were up ten games. Five weeks later,
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we're in second place. Now we're three games out. So
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it can change in a heartbeat either way. It's just this,
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this offense gotta find a way, gotta find a way,
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and it's useless to talk about managers or front office
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or whatever. It is what it is right now. At
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the break, everybody was kind of you know, the consensus was, Hey,
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that did a pretty good job for what was available
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on the market. They kind of hit their needs, got
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the players they needed. Now that there's no production, especially
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going to Detroit, you can't lose three right now in Detroit.
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Everybody's in en up for it. And that's the way
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it is at this stage. You've got to just kind
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of settle down and let's see how this week plays out.
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Go rattle off five or six out of seven. You
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change the complete narrative. But right now, these guys are
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feeling it right now. This this is a big one
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to lose today. The way they lost after losing two
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to Detroit in a pennant race, when Houston, just sitting
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there with a day off watching, Uh, this is going.
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This is some soul search, and these guys got to
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come back and get it going against Gat and it
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doesn't get easy. You got schemes your next game and
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then the Dodgors Brett.
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I know that Scott is managing on the blade of
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a knife every night because his offense doesn't get him
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any wiggle room. But it does seem like there's a
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lot of decisions that are being you know, not hindsight
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being twenty twenty, it's more like foresight, like what the
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hell's he doing here? So the last couple of days,
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talk about the.
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Decisions he's made, Pulling.
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Wu after eighty five pitches, Pulling Miller after ninety pitches
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after they're dominating, pulling Munios yesterday after having a great
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ninth inning, and not pitch him in the tent, not
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bunting it yesterday when they haven't been able to score
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a run, and god, you know in two days in
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the extra inning. So talk about some of those decisions,
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and did you have foresight in any of those, saying,
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as Scott, I don't know what you're doing here.
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Well, here's the thing, and Unfortunately, in today's game, it's
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different than it was. You know, you mentioned Lou at
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the top. Well, Lou, Lou's do one what Lou wants
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to do, and he's never taken a guy out of
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the game with eighty five pitches. You know my feelings
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on that. I think, what the place we're at in
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Major League Baseball and babying these pictures and oh, you've
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got ninety pitches, great job. It's nonsense, especially when you're
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these big horse type pitchers. I mean, these guys are machines,
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and to hold them when that is your strength, it's
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like go nine inning's one time. That being said, managing
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today's game, it's a different world, and I can't be
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as critical because I don't know that Scotty's making those decisions.
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Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
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If he is, I disagree with it. Yeah, but he
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might not be making those decisions. He might have orders
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from the top that here's here's our game plan before
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the day. You know, back in the day, we'd have
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our hitters meeting, we have our pictures meeting with our skipper,
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with our bench coach, with our pitching coach, hitting coach.
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That's who makes all the decisions. Nothing comes from an
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analytical team who this is the game plan before we're
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going to take this guy at eighty five pitches, he's out.
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It doesn't matter where we're at the game, this is
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what we do. So so it's tough for me to
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to you know, because I know how the culture is
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now and it might not be him making that decision.
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I don't know if Jerry's making those calls literally in
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the moment, but I think that there's a philosophy and
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a map that they follow for all that.
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I think there's a game plan, there's a script. I
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don't think. I don't think. I don't think Jerry depots
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up in his up in his booth making a phone
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call to service in the dugout the eighty four pitch mark. No,
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I think I think it's predetermined before the game where
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we're headed. Well, let me ask you a year ago,
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we were talking about this with Kirby when he had
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that post. You know that that interview after the game
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where he took it back. Can Hey, I didn't mean
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to say that. Obviously it was a script, and hey,
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I don't go past x amount.
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Of what are you talking about?
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I've never I've never played with a pitcher that knew
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how many pitches you're.
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Going to throw?
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That gay right, you're gonna keep going.
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You're hiring along with Brian and and and analytics.
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You get all the analytics. You've got the wear and
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tear on the arm. Where is a certain picture at
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in season? How many reps has he had? And everybody's different.
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Before the game, there's a sheet and it's kind of
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here's where we're going. And that's my understanding. I'm not
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in the dugout. I'm not in those pregame uh meetings,
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so I don't have access to that. Nobody does except
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for the internal people. But from what I'm hearing around
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the game, that's kind of how it goes.
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And before the game starts, there's already a script.
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It's these aren't decisions aren't just made on the plot,
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they're already predetermined.
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Well, let me ask you this, Booney, Brett Boone's with
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us courtesy of Venue Kings. You mentioned manager, you know, whatever,
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useless to talk about.
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I just agree. I think Jerry Depoto has a once in.
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A career rotation for him as a general manager, and
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he better damn well believed that Scott Servis is the
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guy to get him to the playoffs, to take advantage
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of that come postseason time. If he doesn't, he should
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fire him tonight. So I guess I would just ask
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you what has Scott's Service shown you that leads you
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to believe that they won't be better off without him,
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or if they fire him, that he brings something to
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the table that nobody else can bring.
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Right now, you can't, well just say nobody else.
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There's a lot of people that can bring that are
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very capable, but it's Scott Service's ship right now and
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I'm not in there.
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Should it be? Should it be? Should it be? Moving forward? Phil?
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That's fired Joe Girardi after two months, hired Bobby Thompson
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and went to the World Series.
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Well, absolutely, definitely.
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A shakeup during a season sometimes really works, sometimes it doesn't,
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And then you're sitting there going, well, was.
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It worth the shake up?
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Now? If you're taught if we get to the playoffs
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and we are not in the playoffs, well those are
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going to be some value it. As of now, the
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Poto's given the players that we thought were necessary to
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make a playoff push, and we won't even talk about
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the pitching because we always talk about it. Everybody knows
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about the pitching. Number one, number one, number one, we
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get it. But he's got the front office has gotten
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the players that we think we need now for right now,
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it's on the players. It's always on the players. At
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the end of I've been on I've been on some
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bad teams where we were pretty talented. You know, I
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played under a horrible team in two thousand and Bruce
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Bochie was my skipper. I know what everybody thinks of
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Bruce Bochie. It was Bochie the reason we've finished the
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fourth place now because we couldn't get anybody out.
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We didn't have any pitching. Well, this is the this
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is the reverse.
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Got all the pitching in the world and all the offense. Yeah,
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I think it's a weird Uh, it's a weird data
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point that you're leading not just the American League, all of
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baseball and pitching and you're not in the playoff picture
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as of the day. That's weird. It's almost impossible, but
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that's where we're at right now. I think if you
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gets to the playoffs now, there's going to be reevaluating
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starting the top on what's going to go on with
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this franchise going forward. But in the meantime for the
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next forty games, it's the players in that room, and
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they win and lose games, and to sit.
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Here and put it on service.
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No, now you get to the end, Hey, I got
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you the players, It doesn't matter what happened. The bottom
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line is your name's at the top of that lineup card,
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and that's the guy that always goes down. Can't get
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rid of all the players. But the illness of this
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is on the players to get it done, especially on
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the offensive side, and they're not getting it done right now.
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Well, they're also on pace to be the only team
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in the Wild Card ERA to have a double digit
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division lead and not make the playoffs if they don't
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end up doing that too, So they got that to
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hang their head on. Hey, Booney, was Julio mishandled the
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last few weeks?
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I don't think so. You know, I've had some ankle's
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brains in my life. I'd never missed three weeks of
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my life. I understand they're tough, and when you get
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a high one, they are nasty.
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I'm not saying he was milking and everything, No, not
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at all.
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But I think if anything. In today's era, over h
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we're overly cautious. You know, back in the day, you're
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chomping at the bit. You're I got Rick Griffin down
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to the training room. I'm going to Rick and say, listen,
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my ankle's fine, taped and crap out of it and
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let's go.
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And I'll probably be in a week.
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Rick's gonna look at me.
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Well, you think that's guy.
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I don't care. If it's a good idea, let's go.
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And that's the way we handle things. It's not that
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way anymore. They're overly cautious today. I don't think they
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rushed him back. You know, I've had high ankles brade
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two three weeks is not rushing you back from that.
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So I think they're overly cautious.
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If anything.
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So the way that was handled now, it just happened
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to I don't know what he did running down the line.
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He smelled the base hit, you know, he came back,
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he had he had the rough five at bats. Next day,
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he smells a hit man, he's gonna get a hit,
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which we all do. You go into overdrive and your
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subconscious takes over. You'll do anything to get to that
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bag for that knock and he tweaked an ankle. That's
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a little bit tender. So I, from all indications, you
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wanted to play today. And once again, I don't think
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it's just a managerial decision. I read the quote, Julio
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wanted to play. I figured at keep him out today. Okay,
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well maybe that wasn't Scott's choice. Now Scott's gonna wear
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own it because he's the skipper and he puts the
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pen in the lineup. Yeah, but that might have been
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an internal decision as well as under no conditions does
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Julio play today. That's coming from the top, and these
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are all hypotheticals. I don't know.
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I don't have facts on this, but that's just what
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I'm thinking.
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And then we go out and we have a press
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conference that we say what we're supposed to say. That's
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that's kind of the of the new Major League Baseball
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in twenty twenty four.
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Yeah.
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I know there's a lot of things I would get
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on Scott for the Julio situation. Is not one of them,
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because that's way over his head. I totally agree on that.
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I think it was hammil poorly. He's not healthy, booty,
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and he's playing dh and he's not all the way back.
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If he were all the way back, he'd be playing
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in the outfield, and he's not. I think they rushed
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him back too early and he's banged up again. Who
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knows how long he'll be out for well, Stevid, but
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Susan pointed this out two days ago.
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There wasn't even a rehabit side for the guy, right.
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But also, don't you think too there's a little bit
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of man, it's pretty important right now to get him back.
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And I don't want to say.
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Okay, so let me ask you a question. Let me
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just cut you off for a second.
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If it's important to get him back, because these games
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are valuable and they're and they're really important to win, now,
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why are we pulling pictures in eighty five pitches? I
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mean it's like, where we are you doing this? So
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you're not if you're gonna, if you're gonna bring Julio
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back because the games are super important, then why are
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you yanking your starters after eighty five?
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It's like you're halfway in, halfway out. What are we
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doing here?
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Right?
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It's it's it's two points that are going directly against
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one another. We're gonna totally be cautious. We're gonna be
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cautious here, and we're gonna be really aggressive here. For me,
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right now, I'm really aggressive. I'm Julio Rodriguez. I'm going, hey,
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is eighty me better than the alternative? The answer is yes.
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I'm on the field. That's the way we do it.
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That's the way players played when I play, that's how
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we I look at that lineup. I'm not in the lineup.
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I'm going crazy. I have to be in that lineup
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because I know we're better when I'm in it.
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Brett.
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That's how guys are wired. But it's a different game today.
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It's a different game. It's not handled. I watched I
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watched the guy get hit by a pitch the other
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day and walked into the dugout like he just took
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himself out of the game. I've never seen that in
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my life.
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It's like, you get hit.
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Your elbow blows up. You be the tough guy. You
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go to first base, you tell you wave off everybody
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that's coming out to you. You know, actually you're kind
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of embarrassing your trainer. You go around and then you
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go out and you grab your glove and you start
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running out for defense, and you got two or three
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trainers trying to tackle. You say, and we got to
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get some ice in that thing. That's where I watched
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the player the other day. Did by the pitcher he
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walked into the dugout. Oh yes, he's done. That's the
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way it is, and it's not their fault. That's the
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way the game is, ay, And that's where how players
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are brought up through.
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The minor league system.
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If you're not one hundred percent, you do not play.
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That's the way it is that I like it.
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Go ahead.
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You walked up to the plate every time, whether you
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were ten for your last twenty or oh for your
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last twenty, like the biggest badass in the bar, like you.
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Knew you were gonna make it.
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Yeah I could, right, But you walked up there with confidence.
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Every time. These guys walk the poat. I watched their body.
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Language every single game, and it shows me no confidence
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that they're gonna get a base hit every time.
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Are you noticing that too?
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I don't know if it's that.
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I don't know if it's that, because yeah, I walked
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to the plate sometimes and it's just a thing.
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I can look at that picture and he knows he's
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in trouble.
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I've also been really struggling not seeing the ball and
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I walk up and I premeditate this.
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I'll sit on deck and the music starts playing.
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I'm going, all right, I got I gotta really get
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this picture to know that, hey, don't mess with meat it.
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I stand in the boss, I lock that. I lock
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eyes with that picture and he looks at me and
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kind of paints a two steamer away and kind of
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gives me to look like body. I know you ain't
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feeling it that that act ave works. So I've tried
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both sides. I don't know if you can necessarily read
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the body language. It's just got to be. It's a culture.
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I've said this from the beginning. It's creating a culture
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in that clubhouse, a winning culture that you come to
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the ballpark rain or shine, and we go out and
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kick somebody's butt.
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And that's what's gotta be.
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And I don't necessarily think and you know, I don't
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see that. I love these guys. I pull form as
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hard as anybody. And it's really tough right now because
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you get disappointed. And I'm a fan too, you know,
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I try to not get emotional one way or the other.
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But I see losing.
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Three games in Detroit, where man, we're sitting there, and
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then you go back and you think a month and
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a half ago we had a ten game lad, how
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could you blow that? And then oh, that doesn't matter.
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What's done is done. Now it's going forward. What do
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we do? And I watched Houston over there and and
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they just went eight straight and we just get swept
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by Detroit. So I get emotional as a fan. I
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gotta reel myself in and go, wait a minute, Okay,
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let's see how this.
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Next week goes.
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Because next week they could win six out of seven.
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We could be sitting here having a completely different conversation.
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Until it's done. They're not in the playoffs.
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I think we sit there and we see how it
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plays out.
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Well, that's why people are pissed off, Boonie.
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Yeah, They'll see they see hang on, hang on, they
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see they see a once in a lifetime potential rotation
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with these guys, and the fans like us are scared
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to death that these guys are gonna waste it. All right,
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So that's why people are angry, all right, Boonie, great stuff.
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Without a doubt, without a doubt, and they have every
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right to be since since I was there in the
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early two thousands, you've gone to the playoffs once. This
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this town deserves to be pissed off, and right now
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they have every right too. And the players completely understanding
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it's up to them to flip this narrative and get
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on the road and start a fresh week.
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All right, great stuff, enjoy the week. We'll talk next Thursday. Man,
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appreciate it.
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Pal, you got it, guys, Thank you.
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All right, Brett Boone, Courtesyavenu, Kings dot Com. Uh, we
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got time for some phone calls, for some reaction on
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this whole thing. I mean, what else you want to
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talk about? You want to talk to see our training camp?
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You want to talk Husky training camp. I mean, this
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is this is what people are buzzing about right now.
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I mean, by the way, guys, I thought, the calls
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in the first hour are freaking austin tremendous, tremendous, tremendous
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by you, guys, bringing you brought the heat in the
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first hour of the radio show. Like I just said
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on Twitter, Man, it's like fifty years of frustration. You know, people,
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I think know how important this time is in Mariner
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history to take advantage of this rotation. And I think
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a lot of people like us are petrified that they're
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gonna waste it. That's why they're angry. So jump on
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the horn. You tell us, You tell us what you
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think they should do. You tell us whether you think
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they would do. I set it back at three o'clock today.
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If you missed it that, if I'm Jerry Depoto, I
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got to ask myself if I trust Scott's service to
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get this team into the playoffs, because if I don't,
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he's gotta go, and he's got to go Tonight. Your
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think we got a much better shot to win that
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game than people think. By the way, we'll talk about
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that later. But joining us right now on the air.
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He is our shrink. He is our therapist.
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Oh he's gone. Okay, Well you know what everyone.
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They didn't want to talk about the Mariners.
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I mean with you, hey, dude, have.
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We reached that point where it's Loop Penello stories now
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with Brett Boone?
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No, I don't think we have either.
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That happens when they are seriously out of playoff contention,
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which they are.
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Oh God, if they get to a point where it's
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we had Boonie on. Was it last year or was
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it three years ago twenty twenty one where the team
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was so bad that there was nothing left to talk
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about but have Brett.
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Was at the beginning of the year before they made
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the run.
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We had Booty tell Lou Panella stories on the air.
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Now there's their low watermark. Don't you know that?
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They have not been three games out all season long
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until today?
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Thank you, Dick.
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That makes me feel much better. Brett Boone with us, Boney,
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do we have you?
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Yes?
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What would you like to know about Lou this week?
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Okay? How about this? How about this?
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Let's talk about the Brett Boone podcast?
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Shall we?
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There you go?
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What would Lou's reaction be to everything that happened in
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Detroit with this offense?
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How would Lou have handled.
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I'll tell you what he It would be entertaining from
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a player's perspective. Now we'd be getting out of there
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quick and let Lou do his thing. But yeah, wouldn't
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it would and it would not be pretty.
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This wasn't pretty.
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I'll tell you what I had. I was watching the
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game and when it started off, they walked for.
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In the first thing, they said, all right, well, they're
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gonna get up.
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You never want to lose two out of three Detroit,
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but they're gonna take this. One's throwing, he's shoving. And
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then my Aida comes into the game. And my Aid
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has had his struggles this year. He's got a six
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plus Ernie, but he's pitching like old Maaida, And I said, man,
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the way the Mariners are swinging right now, he might
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be tough. And he pitched five inn he's pretty darn
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good and kept him in the game. And then the
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Baiez homer. You know, he's got five homers this year
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off Moonhos and I can't and I can't put it
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on Moon.
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He's been great.
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He's been great, and that's going to happen on a cagion.
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in position to win every night. It seems like I
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look up in the fifth any of them, there's one rod,
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there's zero runs, and it keeps going, and it's it's
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tough at this stage of the season. You got forty
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games to go. The thing I don't like about it,
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why it's trending right now, is the way Houston had
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a day off today it's more eighth straight.
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They're watching this.
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They're watching this, and they got Berlander coming back at
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the right time. Tucker's getting closer to coming back. Alvarez
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is starting to be the MVP that he's been the
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last year's That bullpen's coming on strong. At the beginning
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of the year, remember all that problem they had with
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Hater and Presley, they were thirteen in the American League.
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Their bullpen, by.
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they're hitting their stride at the right time. And they're
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watching the Mariners right now and they know that they're
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just having trouble scoring. Rolex Julio comes out of the
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you know, doesn't play today after last night, kind of
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tweaking it on that running down the first base.
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Things aren't going very good right now, boys, And.
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All I can say is, if you're in that clubhouse
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at this time, you're going to go up and down.
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You won two out of three from the Phillies. The
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city's on fire, you sweep the Mets. Everybody's excited than this.
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Now we're on the other side of the Ledger, and
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I'm all for fans voicing their opinions, and they're pissed off,
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and they should be. And that's as players, we've got
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to be able to take that. But you got forty
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games to go. We were up ten games. Five weeks later,
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we're in second place. Now we're three games out. So
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it can change in a heartbeat either way. It's just this,
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this offense gotta find a way, gotta find a way,
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and it's useless to talk about managers or front office
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or whatever. It is what it is right now. At
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the break, everybody was kind of you know, the consensus was, Hey,
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that did a pretty good job for what was available
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on the market. They kind of hit their needs, got
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the players they needed. Now that there's no production, especially
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going to Detroit, you can't lose three right now in Detroit.
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Everybody's in en up for it. And that's the way
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it is at this stage. You've got to just kind
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of settle down and let's see how this week plays out.
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Go rattle off five or six out of seven. You
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change the complete narrative. But right now, these guys are
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feeling it right now. This this is a big one
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to lose today. The way they lost after losing two
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to Detroit in a pennant race, when Houston, just sitting
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there with a day off watching, Uh, this is going.
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This is some soul search, and these guys got to
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come back and get it going against Gat and it
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doesn't get easy. You got schemes your next game and
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then the Dodgors Brett.
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I know that Scott is managing on the blade of
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a knife every night because his offense doesn't get him
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any wiggle room. But it does seem like there's a
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lot of decisions that are being you know, not hindsight
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being twenty twenty, it's more like foresight, like what the
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hell's he doing here? So the last couple of days,
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talk about the.
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Decisions he's made, Pulling.
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Wu after eighty five pitches, Pulling Miller after ninety pitches
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after they're dominating, pulling Munios yesterday after having a great
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ninth inning, and not pitch him in the tent, not
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bunting it yesterday when they haven't been able to score
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a run, and god, you know in two days in
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the extra inning. So talk about some of those decisions,
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and did you have foresight in any of those, saying,
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as Scott, I don't know what you're doing here.
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Well, here's the thing, and Unfortunately, in today's game, it's
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different than it was. You know, you mentioned Lou at
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the top. Well, Lou, Lou's do one what Lou wants
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to do, and he's never taken a guy out of
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the game with eighty five pitches. You know my feelings
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on that. I think, what the place we're at in
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Major League Baseball and babying these pictures and oh, you've
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got ninety pitches, great job. It's nonsense, especially when you're
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these big horse type pitchers. I mean, these guys are machines,
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and to hold them when that is your strength, it's
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like go nine inning's one time. That being said, managing
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today's game, it's a different world, and I can't be
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as critical because I don't know that Scotty's making those decisions.
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Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
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If he is, I disagree with it. Yeah, but he
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might not be making those decisions. He might have orders
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from the top that here's here's our game plan before
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the day. You know, back in the day, we'd have
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our hitters meeting, we have our pictures meeting with our skipper,
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with our bench coach, with our pitching coach, hitting coach.
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That's who makes all the decisions. Nothing comes from an
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analytical team who this is the game plan before we're
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going to take this guy at eighty five pitches, he's out.
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It doesn't matter where we're at the game, this is
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what we do. So so it's tough for me to
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to you know, because I know how the culture is
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now and it might not be him making that decision.
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I don't know if Jerry's making those calls literally in
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the moment, but I think that there's a philosophy and
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a map that they follow for all that.
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I think there's a game plan, there's a script. I
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don't think. I don't think. I don't think Jerry depots
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up in his up in his booth making a phone
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call to service in the dugout the eighty four pitch mark. No,
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I think I think it's predetermined before the game where
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we're headed. Well, let me ask you a year ago,
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we were talking about this with Kirby when he had
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that post. You know that that interview after the game
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where he took it back. Can Hey, I didn't mean
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to say that. Obviously it was a script, and hey,
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I don't go past x amount.
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Of what are you talking about?
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I've never I've never played with a pitcher that knew
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how many pitches you're.
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Going to throw?
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That gay right, you're gonna keep going.
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You're hiring along with Brian and and and analytics.
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You get all the analytics. You've got the wear and
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tear on the arm. Where is a certain picture at
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in season? How many reps has he had? And everybody's different.
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Before the game, there's a sheet and it's kind of
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here's where we're going. And that's my understanding. I'm not
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in the dugout. I'm not in those pregame uh meetings,
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so I don't have access to that. Nobody does except
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for the internal people. But from what I'm hearing around
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the game, that's kind of how it goes.
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And before the game starts, there's already a script.
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It's these aren't decisions aren't just made on the plot,
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they're already predetermined.
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Well, let me ask you this, Booney, Brett Boone's with
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us courtesy of Venue Kings. You mentioned manager, you know, whatever,
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useless to talk about.
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I just agree. I think Jerry Depoto has a once in.
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A career rotation for him as a general manager, and
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he better damn well believed that Scott Servis is the
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guy to get him to the playoffs, to take advantage
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of that come postseason time. If he doesn't, he should
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fire him tonight. So I guess I would just ask
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you what has Scott's Service shown you that leads you
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to believe that they won't be better off without him,
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or if they fire him, that he brings something to
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the table that nobody else can bring.
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Right now, you can't, well just say nobody else.
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There's a lot of people that can bring that are
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very capable, but it's Scott Service's ship right now and
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I'm not in there.
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Should it be? Should it be? Should it be? Moving forward? Phil?
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That's fired Joe Girardi after two months, hired Bobby Thompson
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and went to the World Series.
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Well, absolutely, definitely.
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A shakeup during a season sometimes really works, sometimes it doesn't,
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It worth the shake up?
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Now? If you're taught if we get to the playoffs
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and we are not in the playoffs, well those are
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going to be some value it. As of now, the
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Poto's given the players that we thought were necessary to
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make a playoff push, and we won't even talk about
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the pitching because we always talk about it. Everybody knows
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about the pitching. Number one, number one, number one, we
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get it. But he's got the front office has gotten
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the players that we think we need now for right now,
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it's on the players. It's always on the players. At
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the end of I've been on I've been on some
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bad teams where we were pretty talented. You know, I
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played under a horrible team in two thousand and Bruce
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Bochie was my skipper. I know what everybody thinks of
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Bruce Bochie. It was Bochie the reason we've finished the
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fourth place now because we couldn't get anybody out.
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We didn't have any pitching. Well, this is the this
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is the reverse.
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Got all the pitching in the world and all the offense. Yeah,
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I think it's a weird Uh, it's a weird data
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point that you're leading not just the American League, all of
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baseball and pitching and you're not in the playoff picture
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as of the day. That's weird. It's almost impossible, but
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that's where we're at right now. I think if you
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gets to the playoffs now, there's going to be reevaluating
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starting the top on what's going to go on with
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this franchise going forward. But in the meantime for the
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next forty games, it's the players in that room, and
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they win and lose games, and to sit.
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Here and put it on service.
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No, now you get to the end, Hey, I got
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you the players, It doesn't matter what happened. The bottom
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line is your name's at the top of that lineup card,
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and that's the guy that always goes down. Can't get
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rid of all the players. But the illness of this
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is on the players to get it done, especially on
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the offensive side, and they're not getting it done right now.
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Well, they're also on pace to be the only team
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in the Wild Card ERA to have a double digit
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division lead and not make the playoffs if they don't
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end up doing that too, So they got that to
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hang their head on. Hey, Booney, was Julio mishandled the
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last few weeks?
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I don't think so. You know, I've had some ankle's
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brains in my life. I'd never missed three weeks of
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my life. I understand they're tough, and when you get
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a high one, they are nasty.
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I'm not saying he was milking and everything, No, not
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at all.
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But I think if anything. In today's era, over h
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we're overly cautious. You know, back in the day, you're
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chomping at the bit. You're I got Rick Griffin down
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to the training room. I'm going to Rick and say, listen,
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my ankle's fine, taped and crap out of it and
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let's go.
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And I'll probably be in a week.
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Rick's gonna look at me.
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Well, you think that's guy.
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I don't care. If it's a good idea, let's go.
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And that's the way we handle things. It's not that
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way anymore. They're overly cautious today. I don't think they
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rushed him back. You know, I've had high ankles brade
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two three weeks is not rushing you back from that.
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So I think they're overly cautious.
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If anything.
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So the way that was handled now, it just happened
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to I don't know what he did running down the line.
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He smelled the base hit, you know, he came back,
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he had he had the rough five at bats. Next day,
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he smells a hit man, he's gonna get a hit,
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which we all do. You go into overdrive and your
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subconscious takes over. You'll do anything to get to that
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bag for that knock and he tweaked an ankle. That's
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a little bit tender. So I, from all indications, you
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wanted to play today. And once again, I don't think
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it's just a managerial decision. I read the quote, Julio
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wanted to play. I figured at keep him out today. Okay,
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well maybe that wasn't Scott's choice. Now Scott's gonna wear
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own it because he's the skipper and he puts the
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pen in the lineup. Yeah, but that might have been
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an internal decision as well as under no conditions does
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Julio play today. That's coming from the top, and these
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are all hypotheticals. I don't know.
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I don't have facts on this, but that's just what
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I'm thinking.
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And then we go out and we have a press
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conference that we say what we're supposed to say. That's
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that's kind of the of the new Major League Baseball
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in twenty twenty four.
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Yeah.
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I know there's a lot of things I would get
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on Scott for the Julio situation. Is not one of them,
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because that's way over his head. I totally agree on that.
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I think it was hammil poorly. He's not healthy, booty,
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and he's playing dh and he's not all the way back.
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If he were all the way back, he'd be playing
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in the outfield, and he's not. I think they rushed
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him back too early and he's banged up again. Who
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knows how long he'll be out for well, Stevid, but
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Susan pointed this out two days ago.
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There wasn't even a rehabit side for the guy, right.
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But also, don't you think too there's a little bit
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of man, it's pretty important right now to get him back.
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And I don't want to say.
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Okay, so let me ask you a question. Let me
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just cut you off for a second.
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If it's important to get him back, because these games
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are valuable and they're and they're really important to win, now,
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why are we pulling pictures in eighty five pitches? I
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mean it's like, where we are you doing this? So
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you're not if you're gonna, if you're gonna bring Julio
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back because the games are super important, then why are
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you yanking your starters after eighty five?
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It's like you're halfway in, halfway out. What are we
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doing here?
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Right?
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It's it's it's two points that are going directly against
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one another. We're gonna totally be cautious. We're gonna be
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cautious here, and we're gonna be really aggressive here. For me,
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right now, I'm really aggressive. I'm Julio Rodriguez. I'm going, hey,
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is eighty me better than the alternative? The answer is yes.
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I'm on the field. That's the way we do it.
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That's the way players played when I play, that's how
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we I look at that lineup. I'm not in the lineup.
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I'm going crazy. I have to be in that lineup
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because I know we're better when I'm in it.
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Brett.
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That's how guys are wired. But it's a different game today.
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It's a different game. It's not handled. I watched I
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watched the guy get hit by a pitch the other
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day and walked into the dugout like he just took
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himself out of the game. I've never seen that in
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my life.
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It's like, you get hit.
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Your elbow blows up. You be the tough guy. You
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go to first base, you tell you wave off everybody
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that's coming out to you. You know, actually you're kind
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of embarrassing your trainer. You go around and then you
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go out and you grab your glove and you start
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running out for defense, and you got two or three
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trainers trying to tackle. You say, and we got to
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get some ice in that thing. That's where I watched
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the player the other day. Did by the pitcher he
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walked into the dugout. Oh yes, he's done. That's the
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way it is, and it's not their fault. That's the
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way the game is, ay, And that's where how players
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are brought up through.
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The minor league system.
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If you're not one hundred percent, you do not play.
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That's the way it is that I like it.
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Go ahead.
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You walked up to the plate every time, whether you
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were ten for your last twenty or oh for your
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last twenty, like the biggest badass in the bar, like you.
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Knew you were gonna make it.
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Yeah I could, right, But you walked up there with confidence.
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Every time. These guys walk the poat. I watched their body.
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Language every single game, and it shows me no confidence
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that they're gonna get a base hit every time.
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Are you noticing that too?
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I don't know if it's that.
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I don't know if it's that, because yeah, I walked
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to the plate sometimes and it's just a thing.
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I can look at that picture and he knows he's
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in trouble.
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I've also been really struggling not seeing the ball and
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I walk up and I premeditate this.
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I'll sit on deck and the music starts playing.
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I'm going, all right, I got I gotta really get
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this picture to know that, hey, don't mess with meat it.
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I stand in the boss, I lock that. I lock
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eyes with that picture and he looks at me and
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kind of paints a two steamer away and kind of
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gives me to look like body. I know you ain't
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feeling it that that act ave works. So I've tried
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both sides. I don't know if you can necessarily read
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the body language. It's just got to be. It's a culture.
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I've said this from the beginning. It's creating a culture
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in that clubhouse, a winning culture that you come to
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the ballpark rain or shine, and we go out and
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kick somebody's butt.
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And that's what's gotta be.
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And I don't necessarily think and you know, I don't
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see that. I love these guys. I pull form as
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hard as anybody. And it's really tough right now because
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you get disappointed. And I'm a fan too, you know,
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I try to not get emotional one way or the other.
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But I see losing.
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Three games in Detroit, where man, we're sitting there, and
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then you go back and you think a month and
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a half ago we had a ten game lad, how
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could you blow that? And then oh, that doesn't matter.
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What's done is done. Now it's going forward. What do
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we do? And I watched Houston over there and and
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they just went eight straight and we just get swept
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by Detroit. So I get emotional as a fan. I
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gotta reel myself in and go, wait a minute, Okay,
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let's see how this.
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Next week goes.
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Because next week they could win six out of seven.
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We could be sitting here having a completely different conversation.
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Until it's done. They're not in the playoffs.
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I think we sit there and we see how it
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plays out.
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Well, that's why people are pissed off, Boonie.
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Yeah, They'll see they see hang on, hang on, they
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see they see a once in a lifetime potential rotation
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with these guys, and the fans like us are scared
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to death that these guys are gonna waste it. All right,
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So that's why people are angry, all right, Boonie, great stuff.
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Without a doubt, without a doubt, and they have every
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right to be since since I was there in the
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early two thousands, you've gone to the playoffs once. This
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this town deserves to be pissed off, and right now
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they have every right too. And the players completely understanding
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it's up to them to flip this narrative and get
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on the road and start a fresh week.
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All right, great stuff, enjoy the week. We'll talk next Thursday. Man,
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appreciate it.
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Pal, you got it, guys, Thank you.
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All right, Brett Boone, Courtesyavenu, Kings dot Com. Uh, we
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got time for some phone calls, for some reaction on
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this whole thing. I mean, what else you want to
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talk about? You want to talk to see our training camp?
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You want to talk Husky training camp. I mean, this
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is this is what people are buzzing about right now.
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I mean, by the way, guys, I thought, the calls
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in the first hour are freaking austin tremendous, tremendous, tremendous
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by you, guys, bringing you brought the heat in the
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first hour of the radio show. Like I just said
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on Twitter, Man, it's like fifty years of frustration. You know, people,
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I think know how important this time is in Mariner
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history to take advantage of this rotation. And I think
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a lot of people like us are petrified that they're
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gonna waste it. That's why they're angry. So jump on
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the horn. You tell us, You tell us what you
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think they should do. You tell us whether you think
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they would do. I set it back at three o'clock today.
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If you missed it that, if I'm Jerry Depoto, I
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got to ask myself if I trust Scott's service to
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get this team into the playoffs, because if I don't,
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he's gotta go, and he's got to go Tonight. Your
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