The Platform (aka Trickle Down Cannibalism) w/ Jamie Noguchi

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Alicia: Hey!
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Just a heads up!
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The episode you're about to listen
to is about The Platform directed by
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Galder Gaztelu-Urrutia and written
by David Desola and Pedro Rivera.
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Some relevant trigger warnings for
this movie include violence, gore,
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cannibalism, suicide, nudity, on-screen
defecation and urination, discussions of
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and implications of sexual assault and
rape, racism, Islamophobia and tinnitus.
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Our hosts ranked this movie as
terrifying and extremely disconcerting.
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If you'd like to learn more
about the movie, discuss this
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evening, please visit our website.
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Progressivelyhorrified.transistor.fm
for show notes and a transcript.
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After the spooky music, we'll
talk about the movie in full.
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So be forewarned: there will be spoilers.
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Now let's get onto the show.
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Jeremy: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified, the podcast
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where we hold horror to progressive
standards it never agreed to.
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Tonight.
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We're talking about the
Spanish post apocalyptic sci-fi
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horror film, The Platform.
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I am your host, Jeremy Whitley
and with me tonight, I have a
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panel of cinephiles and cenobites.
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Ben is off so tonight joining me as
always we have the cinnamon roll of
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cenobites our co-host Emily Martin.
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How are you tonight, Emily?
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Emily: I'm remembering those beautiful
saccharine days of Requiem for a Dream
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and remembering fondly, how that was
a, a movie about like stuff people did
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that they may have had some agency in.
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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Emily: And spoilers, nobody
ate anybody in that movie.
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Jeremy: Not that I saw, but who knows
what goes on off screen in that movie?
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Emily: Yeah, director's cut.
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Jeremy: And our special guest
tonight, one of our long friends and
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multiple time guests, comic artists
and my collaborator on School for
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Extraterrestrial Girls, Jamie Noguchi!
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Welcome back, Jamie.
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Jamie: Hello?
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I'm so glad to be able to talk to other
people about this movie because I, when
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I watched this, no one else had seen
it and no one around me was interested
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when I told them what it was about.
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So like, it has sat with me for a while
and has fucked me up for a very long time.
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So thank you for inviting me on
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.
Jeremy: Absolutely.
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I, I watched it last October during like
my whole marathon of scary movies, and
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uh, I, I was in the same position where I
didn't have anybody to talk to about it.
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Speaking of which uh, let me go
ahead and say like, uh, it is
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directed by Galder Gaztelu-Urrutia.
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The writers of the story and screenplay
are David Desola, the screenplay
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is co-written by Pedro Rivero.
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It stars, Ivan Massague, Zorion
Eguileor, Antonia San Juan, Emilio
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Buale, and Alexandra Massang- Masangkay.
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Okay.
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So I literally wrote on the notes here.
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Look, let's not fuck around!
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This movie's an extremely on the
nose, but somehow still very effective
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metaphor about capitalism and
humanity and how fucked up things are.
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And despite being really on the nose,
like it's still happy to have its
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characters drop direct comparisons
to the social issues that it's about.
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And somehow it still works.
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So yeah, I think my favorite thing about
this is we find out that halfway through
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this place that's repeatedly referred
to as the pit is actually known as the
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vertical self management center or VSC.
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It is a vertical prison.
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We get this brief interlude
at the beginning of fancy
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chefs making very fancy food.
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There's like.
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Classical instruments being played to
them, making it there's a, you know, guy
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going around, inspecting all the food.
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And then we meet our main character
Goreng who wakes up in a cement
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room with the number 48 on the wall.
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In the middle of the room is a big
square hole on either side is a bed
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one for him, and one for his roommate
Trimagasi, who is an older man who
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gradually explains situation to Goreng.
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Trimagasi fan-fucking-tastic.
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Jamie: Oh yeah.
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Jeremy: I love this character.
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He's the worst.
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And also the best.
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He's kind of what makes this
movie work in a lot of ways.
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He's really our, every man for
this cause like Goreng is a, he's
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a nice person and Trimagasi is not.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's about he's right in the middle
road there considering like once
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you've realize what the average
is, you're like, oh, oh, okay.
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Anyway, continue please.
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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So they are in a prison that uh, Trimagasi
knows to have at least 140 some floors.
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At the, at the end of every month,
they switch floors but keep, the same
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roommates until one of them dies or
finishes their sentence in this prison.
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Every day, a meal is prepared and sent
on set on the center platform at the top
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and it gradually lowers to each floor and
they have a small portion of time to eat.
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And then it keeps on
lowering to the next floor.
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If you try to take and keep anything,
your room either gets super hot and super
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cold until you die or throw it back.
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The thing continues down
to the floors as you go.
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The problem is nobody on the upper
floors takes an even portion and
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leaves us for everybody else to eat.
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They rifle through, they eat it.
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They spit things out on the table.
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Uh, They climb on everything.
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Trimagasi is a particularly
interesting picture of, of
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what's wrong with all of this.
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As he eats everything he can, shatters
the glass wine bottles into the food
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when he is done, and spits and pisses
into the food at various points in
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this movie uh, saying that, and I
think is the most important thing
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that said in the movie that he assumes
the people above probably do the
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same thing and he curses them for it.
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He calls them, you know, bastards.
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And that's why he does it because those
people probably also do it to him.
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And he knows the people below are
gonna do it to the other people.
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So why, why should he be any different?
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Um,
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Emily: It's trickle down.
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It's what they call trickle down.
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Jamie: It is.
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It's literal, trickle down.
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Jeremy: Literal, trickle down.
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Goreng tries to connect with
the people above and below him.
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But Trimagasi is like, don't talk to the
people below because they're below you
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and the people above will not listen.
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And we learned that everybody gets
to bring one item into this place.
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And the two items of these, these
main characters here tie very
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importantly into their origin stories.
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Goreng chose to come here for six months
with the objective of quitting smoking
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uh, finally reading Don Quixote, which
is his one item he brings with him.
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And uh, then he will get a
degree after six months in here.
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Trimagasi on the other hand, got sent
here because he was given the option
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of this or a mental institution uh,
because he saw an infomercial for a
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knife sharpener, which made knives
sharp enough to cut through bricks.
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He eventually decided uh, that not having
a knife sharpener must be what's wrong
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with his life and why it's so shitty.
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So he bought it.
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Uh, The sharpener is
called the Samurai Max.
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He immediately saw an infomercial with
the same people selling a knife that
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never needs to be sharpened called
the Samurai Plus uh, and this made
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him so angry that he ripped his TV off
the wall and threw it out the window.
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And in doing so hit and killed an
illegal immigrant on a bicycle,
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an act for which he has no
contrition and blames the victim.
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He brought the knife with him, the Samurai
Plus knife with him as his one item, it
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continues to get sharper as he carves
tallies into the walls which is gonna
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be an important thing to note later on.
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They continue on like
this for, for a while.
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Until one day we uh, meet Miharu a
woman who is riding the platform down.
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Trimagasi tells us that
she's looking for her child.
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She doesn't really say anything.
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And as long as they leave her
alone, she leaves them alone.
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Goreng wants to help her.
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Um, Miharu is promptly attacked by the
guys on the next floor, pulled off the
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platform, quickly murders her attacker
and then goes back to the platform.
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It is implied.
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She's been doing this for quite some time.
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We also during the, toward the end of
this first month, see a lot of people
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committing suicide by jumping from the
upper floors uh, you know, down into
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the hole uh, because they don't know
where they're gonna end up next month
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and they have nothing to look forward
to after being on the upper floors.
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He denies it at this point, but
it's heavily implied that Trimagasi
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survived his stint in the one forties
by killing and eating his roommate.
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And shortly thereafter they are
gassed and wake up on Level 171.
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Uh, Goreng wakes up to find he has
already been tied to his bed by Trimagasi
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who says he doesn't wanna hurt him, but
Goreng is stronger and younger than him.
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And eventually it's gonna come down to
them fighting and he doesn't want to lose.
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So he promises not to mutilate him.
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Yet.
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This is also the part where at some
point he basically admits to having
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killed and eaten part of his roommate.
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And Goreng says you're a murderer.
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And in another one, of Trimagasi's
really like telling things.
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He says, no, I'm not a murderer.
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I am someone who is frightened.
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Which is again on the nose,
but like fucking incredible.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Jamie: Yeah.
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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So finally, that day comes after being
tied up for several days, Trimasi
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decides that he's going to have to
start cutting strips off of Goreng.
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He does offer to go ahead and feed
Goreng, some of it um, so that,
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you know, both of them can survive.
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Uh, He is in the process of doing
this when Miharu arrives again,
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smashes Trimagasi over the head
with a bottle and then stabs him.
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She cuts Goreng free.
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Goreng goes ahead and finishes the
job stabbing and killing Trimagasi.
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And Miharu slowly nurses him back to
health by bandaging his wounds and
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feeding him pieces of Trimagasi over the
next several days before getting then
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back on the platform and disappearing.
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And Goreng survives his last couple days
by eating the maggots off of Trimagasi's
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rotting body as he continues to see
Trimagasi talking to him in this room.
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He does survive the month.
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He is gassed again, and ends
up on floor 33 with his new Mo
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roommate, a woman named Imoguiri.
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Imoguiri is uh, the woman who took
his application when he first came.
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So she's been working for the company
for years and she's become aware that
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the system is broken, but due to her
own impending death by cancer has
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decided that she's going to try and
fix it from the inside, by entering
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herself and starting a revolution.
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Uh, She has brought her sausage
dog Ramseys the second and
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a truly irresponsible move.
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Emily: Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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Jeremy: She decides she's going
to start making up plates for the
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people below and insisting that they
only eat their one serving and make
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up servings for the people below.
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And she's going to do this
by badgering them to death.
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uh, In, in hopes that eventually everybody
on what she is certain and says, she knows
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for sure are 200 floors in this place.
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This woman has worked for this thing.
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She knows there are
only 200 floors in here.
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The people below refuse to do this
until Goreng seemingly just gets
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tired of hearing her, say it over
and over and finally insists they're
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either going to do it or he's
gonna shit in their food every day.
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So they, they start making
some change after that.
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Goreng insists to her that change never
happens spontaneously and it, it really
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takes people having to eat shit to
change it and make them band together.
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Emily: Mm-hmm.
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Jeremy: One day Taru comes in again on
the platform injured and unconscious-
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Emily: Miharu.
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Jeremy: Oh yeah.
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Let's
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Emily: Tara is uh, Sailor Saturn.
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Jeremy: Yes, my sorry.
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Their names are changing as I go.
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Uh, no, um, injured, unconscious Goreng
gets her off the uh, platform and
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bandages are up and gives her his bed.
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Meanwhile they almost died because
the fucking dog squirrels away some
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food while they're paying attention.
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Jamie: That fucking dog.
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Emily: It's not the dog's fault.
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It's her fault for fucking
bringing the dog with her.
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It's her fault.
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Jamie: Yeah, the dog is
doomed from jump street.
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Emily: Oh my God.
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Seriously.
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And then like, yeah.
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And the second I saw that dog,
I'm like either the dog's going
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downstairs or the dog is do like-.
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Jamie: She's got cancer, the dog doesn't.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Jamie: So let the dog alone.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Jamie: Leave the dog to a friend.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Let the dog eat one of the dead people.
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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This uh, truly, truly irresponsible.
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And this is the part where the dog bites
it because Miharu's not putting up with
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this bullshit and kills the dog in the
middle of the night and almost ends up
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fighting with Imoguiri uh, before, you
know, she goes ahead and leaves the
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next day on the platform, again, off
to find her child, but Imoguiri insists
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that she checked Miharu in, when she
first came in and that she was alone
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and did not come here with a child.
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That she was in fact wanting to
be the Asian Marilyn Monroe and
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was doing this to lose weight.
00:12:23.655 --> 00:12:24.255
Beforehand.
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Emily: Some, some racism
in this movie, you guys.
00:12:25.965 --> 00:12:26.295
Jamie: Yeah.
00:12:26.475 --> 00:12:28.035
Emily: Some people
saying some racist stuff.
00:12:28.265 --> 00:12:33.355
Jamie: But also if she came in
alone, it implies other things about
00:12:33.355 --> 00:12:34.795
where the baby may have come from.
00:12:35.195 --> 00:12:35.685
Emily: Yeah.
00:12:36.235 --> 00:12:36.725
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:12:36.995 --> 00:12:37.485
Emily: Yeah.
00:12:39.015 --> 00:12:39.505
Jeremy: Yeah.
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That is never expounded upon.
00:12:42.235 --> 00:12:43.705
Jamie: They don't say it, but-.
00:12:43.765 --> 00:12:44.275
Emily: Yeah.
00:12:44.675 --> 00:12:45.005
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:12:45.065 --> 00:12:50.371
So, um, uh, So obviously having lost
your dog Imoguiri is inconsolable
00:12:50.371 --> 00:12:53.980
for the last few days together before
they are gassed again and wake up on
00:12:53.985 --> 00:12:59.800
floor 202, further, down than Imoguiri
thought existed in this prison.
00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:03.289
And it is difficult to tell how
far down below that it goes.
00:13:03.644 --> 00:13:06.164
Goreng is trying to count them
by seeing how long it takes
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the elevator to come back up.
00:13:08.004 --> 00:13:12.368
She, on the other hand has hung
herself before he even wakes up
00:13:12.454 --> 00:13:19.054
presumably to save him from having
to do it or from her starving.
00:13:19.075 --> 00:13:23.422
He spends the month getting by eating
pieces of her and also Don Quixote.
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He, he does eat chunks of his book.
00:13:25.445 --> 00:13:26.065
Jamie: Fiber!
00:13:26.485 --> 00:13:26.695
Emily: Yeah.
00:13:26.695 --> 00:13:30.205
Jeremy: While talking to the ghosts
of both of his dead roommates.
00:13:30.258 --> 00:13:32.492
This is a particularly
rough section of the movie.
00:13:32.552 --> 00:13:33.122
Jamie: Oh yeah.
00:13:33.212 --> 00:13:33.752
Oh yeah.
00:13:34.172 --> 00:13:34.352
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:13:34.352 --> 00:13:38.092
Finally he's gas again and wakes
up on Level 6 with a new roomy, the
00:13:38.097 --> 00:13:43.123
optimistic and excitable, Baharat who
has a rope and a plan to climb out by
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getting the people above to help him.
00:13:44.663 --> 00:13:46.853
A couple in the room
above agreed to do so.
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But when he starts
climbing, they shit on him.
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And he uh, drops the rope down the hole.
00:13:52.808 --> 00:13:56.433
He is barely saved by Goreng who grabs
him just before he falls into the hole.
00:13:56.485 --> 00:13:59.255
And he, he loses the rope
and his sense of optimism-.
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Emily: Immediately.
00:14:00.516 --> 00:14:01.566
Jamie: Yes, yes.
00:14:01.656 --> 00:14:02.706
As he should.
00:14:03.156 --> 00:14:03.576
Emily: Well.
00:14:03.976 --> 00:14:06.556
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, he
did literally get shit on.
00:14:06.561 --> 00:14:07.016
Jamie: Yeah.
00:14:07.021 --> 00:14:07.516
Emily: Yeah.
00:14:07.516 --> 00:14:08.746
Jeremy: By the people above him.
00:14:08.999 --> 00:14:15.069
Goreng uh, gets a visit from Trimagasi
who uh, congratulates him because
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this is the month before his last one.
00:14:16.929 --> 00:14:19.869
He only has to make it through
one more month after this.
00:14:20.169 --> 00:14:23.739
And even in the worst circumstances,
he can survive one month without
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eating, after he's been on this
high floor for all this time.
00:14:26.324 --> 00:14:30.039
Mm-hmm um, But he also is
visited by Imoguiri's ghost
00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:31.970
and he feels some debt to her.
00:14:31.970 --> 00:14:34.160
He feels he's debted to try and fix this.
00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:40.010
So he and Baharat who is, also in,
on doing something to fix things,
00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:43.790
decide to ride the platform down
and make sure that everyone actually
00:14:43.790 --> 00:14:47.360
gets to eat this time based on his
calculations, counting how long it takes
00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:48.860
the thing to go down and come back up.
00:14:48.942 --> 00:14:51.852
He thinks that there's about 250 floors.
00:14:52.008 --> 00:14:54.538
Uh, they can probably make
it last through all of them.
00:14:54.622 --> 00:14:58.222
Uh, Their plan is to not let the
people on the top 50 floors eat cause
00:14:58.222 --> 00:15:02.171
they eat every day and then to ration
things out to the people below them.
00:15:02.177 --> 00:15:05.747
They do this by fucking
busting heads and shoes.
00:15:06.027 --> 00:15:06.347
Emily: Mm-hmm.
00:15:06.537 --> 00:15:09.399
Jeremy: They bust heads and
distribute breads all the way down.
00:15:09.404 --> 00:15:11.229
Jamie: That's a good,
that's a good phrase.
00:15:11.319 --> 00:15:12.009
Emily: I love that.
00:15:12.014 --> 00:15:12.039
Yeah.
00:15:12.529 --> 00:15:14.409
Seize the means of production, I guess.
00:15:15.579 --> 00:15:17.799
Jeremy: They bust a lot of heads too.
00:15:17.829 --> 00:15:17.979
Yeah.
00:15:18.021 --> 00:15:21.441
The people on the top 50 floors
are not willing to not eat for
00:15:21.441 --> 00:15:23.484
a day because they're up here.
00:15:23.694 --> 00:15:24.714
Why should they not?
00:15:24.936 --> 00:15:29.766
Eventually on their way down, they
encounter a wise man who Baharat knows
00:15:29.796 --> 00:15:31.910
who asks what the point of all this is.
00:15:32.177 --> 00:15:34.487
you know, He's like, oh, this it's
good that you're doing this, but
00:15:34.487 --> 00:15:35.457
what the fuck, does it matter.
00:15:35.477 --> 00:15:37.107
Nobody's gonna know anything about it.
00:15:37.231 --> 00:15:38.941
Um, You need to send a message.
00:15:38.980 --> 00:15:42.505
Something that people would eat, uh,
needs to be protected and go back uneaten
00:15:42.510 --> 00:15:46.165
so that somebody will get a message, get
the message and start asking questions.
00:15:46.465 --> 00:15:50.805
So they decide the perfect way to
do this is to guard the panna cotta.
00:15:50.805 --> 00:15:54.553
The panna cotta is the message because
it's, it's delicious and fragile.
00:15:54.553 --> 00:15:57.953
And if it goes back untouched, they will
know that something strange has happened.
00:15:58.003 --> 00:16:03.143
Emily: Basically you need a message,
only bust heads after the dialogue,
00:16:03.623 --> 00:16:05.433
this man is Nelson Mandela.
00:16:05.479 --> 00:16:07.039
Like That's who he's supposed to be.
00:16:07.276 --> 00:16:07.766
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:16:08.266 --> 00:16:11.086
Metaphorical Nelson Mandela.
00:16:11.276 --> 00:16:14.276
Emily: They go on this journey and
they, they encounter Nelson Mandela
00:16:14.276 --> 00:16:16.096
and they're like, right, right.
00:16:16.101 --> 00:16:16.316
Yes.
00:16:16.321 --> 00:16:19.946
I should know this I
should know who this guy is.
00:16:21.246 --> 00:16:21.366
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:16:21.366 --> 00:16:24.879
He's, he's very big on the, like
extend a hand to them first.
00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:30.279
Talk to them, tell them what's going on
and then hit them if you have to . Yeah.
00:16:31.299 --> 00:16:32.709
They're like, okay, got it.
00:16:32.709 --> 00:16:33.189
Makes sense.
00:16:33.189 --> 00:16:33.789
Sure.
00:16:34.249 --> 00:16:38.705
But they soon discover that the
elevator doesn't stop on floors,
00:16:38.705 --> 00:16:40.025
where there is nobody alive.
00:16:40.025 --> 00:16:44.916
So this thing is actually much deeper than
they thought it was uh, they, they get
00:16:44.916 --> 00:16:51.033
further down and they find, uh, where uh,
our, femme fatale where Miharu has been.
00:16:51.246 --> 00:16:55.056
uh, She is in the middle of
a fight with two large men.
00:16:55.266 --> 00:16:57.631
One of whom brought a katana as one item.
00:16:57.672 --> 00:16:59.022
Emily: Real samurai plus.
00:16:59.082 --> 00:16:59.382
Jamie: Yeah.
00:17:01.482 --> 00:17:02.622
Emily: Although this dude is white.
00:17:03.022 --> 00:17:03.712
Jeremy: He's a weeb.
00:17:03.972 --> 00:17:06.902
Emily: Yeah, he's such a, he
is, he is a weeaboo like he's-.
00:17:07.052 --> 00:17:08.102
Jamie: I learned the sword.
00:17:09.572 --> 00:17:11.072
Emily: While you were fasting.
00:17:14.042 --> 00:17:14.402
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:17:14.428 --> 00:17:17.528
They are not in time to save her
from getting stabbed to death.
00:17:17.528 --> 00:17:21.470
They do proceed to get in a fight
with these two guys and almost
00:17:21.470 --> 00:17:22.710
get themselves stabbed to death.
00:17:22.712 --> 00:17:26.222
Baharat manages to take care of
the guy with the samurai sword
00:17:26.222 --> 00:17:29.628
and cut The other guy's head
off just before he kills Goreng.
00:17:29.994 --> 00:17:31.584
They get back on the platform.
00:17:31.854 --> 00:17:33.454
Both of them injured in bleeding.
00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:33.950
um,
00:17:33.950 --> 00:17:34.610
Jamie: All over the food.
00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:36.060
Emily: God.
00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:37.920
Jeremy: All over what's left of the food.
00:17:37.949 --> 00:17:41.429
Emily: Yeah, I was, I was surprised that
the panna cotta made it after they like
00:17:41.749 --> 00:17:45.059
passed out all over this broken glass.
00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:45.509
Jamie: Yeah!
00:17:46.139 --> 00:17:46.509
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:51.791
They ride all the way down to the bottom
floor, which turns out to be floor 333, a
00:17:51.791 --> 00:17:55.686
number of many great significance is none
of which are expounded upon in the movie.
00:17:55.690 --> 00:18:00.040
So this is where the platform stops,
but Goreng sees something here, there
00:18:00.045 --> 00:18:05.440
is a child clearly uh, Miharu's lost
daughter uh, Who is hiding under the bed.
00:18:05.770 --> 00:18:06.640
They go to get her.
00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.360
And as soon as they step off the
platform immediately goes further
00:18:10.360 --> 00:18:12.640
down, stranding them on this floor.
00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:14.110
The girl is hungry.
00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:19.362
So Goreng talks him into giving
her the panna cotta, even though
00:18:19.362 --> 00:18:20.862
that is supposed to be the message.
00:18:21.272 --> 00:18:25.872
Goreng has a dream in which Baharat tells
him that the child is the message now and
00:18:25.872 --> 00:18:28.007
they need to make sure to get her back up.
00:18:28.607 --> 00:18:32.417
But when he wakes up, Baharat is actually
bled out and is dead in the night.
00:18:32.527 --> 00:18:36.037
And the next day when the platform
returns Goreng and the child climb
00:18:36.037 --> 00:18:38.387
on it, he is not doing great.
00:18:38.527 --> 00:18:39.907
Uh, She seems to be fine.
00:18:40.927 --> 00:18:42.007
Other than being hungry.
00:18:42.217 --> 00:18:42.517
Jamie: Yeah.
00:18:42.561 --> 00:18:42.951
Emily: Yeah.
00:18:42.989 --> 00:18:48.757
Jeremy: They lower quite a bit down
into a big empty black space um,
00:18:48.757 --> 00:18:52.057
where it finally stops just, you know,
where they can still see the light.
00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:56.855
The child has fallen asleep in his
lap and uh, Trimagasi's ghost comes
00:18:56.855 --> 00:19:02.165
to collect Goreng and tells him that,
you know, this, this is a message.
00:19:02.165 --> 00:19:04.535
Doesn't actually need anybody to take it.
00:19:04.625 --> 00:19:09.795
It will serve as a message on its own
and walks with him into the darkness
00:19:10.105 --> 00:19:14.013
allowing the child to go whirring up on
the platform hundreds of floors in her
00:19:14.018 --> 00:19:16.023
sleep and we do not see what happens.
00:19:16.023 --> 00:19:16.563
That is the end.
00:19:16.963 --> 00:19:17.173
Emily: I'm.
00:19:17.353 --> 00:19:21.403
I mean, I hope that she survives
that very, very rapid ascent.
00:19:21.853 --> 00:19:26.203
Jeremy: I guess it, the thing slows
as it gets to where the top, because
00:19:26.388 --> 00:19:30.708
otherwise it would just throw plates
everywhere when it got to the top.
00:19:31.208 --> 00:19:31.528
Emily: Right?
00:19:33.008 --> 00:19:34.828
Jamie: God I uh.
00:19:34.868 --> 00:19:35.228
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:19:36.128 --> 00:19:36.428
Yeah.
00:19:36.428 --> 00:19:39.938
That's uh, the end of that
incredibly bleak movie.
00:19:39.998 --> 00:19:40.508
Jamie: Yes.
00:19:40.568 --> 00:19:40.868
Yes.
00:19:40.868 --> 00:19:42.369
Jeremy: Guys, what did you think?
00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:43.179
What do you wanna talk about?
00:19:43.354 --> 00:19:44.494
Emily: Um, Okay.
00:19:44.494 --> 00:19:45.394
I have a few things.
00:19:46.211 --> 00:19:50.691
The conceit of this movie is as
simple as a logic puzzle, but it is an
00:19:50.691 --> 00:19:59.251
incredibly effective, terrifying, and
emotional movie about human beings and
00:19:59.251 --> 00:20:01.111
how they, who they are and how they are.
00:20:01.151 --> 00:20:01.751
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:20:01.913 --> 00:20:04.433
Emily: I was talking about Requiem
for a Dream earlier, and I, I
00:20:04.433 --> 00:20:07.883
compare these two movies because
they both left me in a similar state.
00:20:08.033 --> 00:20:11.552
This movie did not need The
Chronos Quartet mm-hmm to remind
00:20:11.552 --> 00:20:12.992
me how bleak everything was.
00:20:13.172 --> 00:20:15.657
This movie just had some like
psychological thriller beep
00:20:15.657 --> 00:20:17.877
boobs and that's it, you know?
00:20:18.207 --> 00:20:21.367
But the thing is that Requiem
for a Dream is a movie where
00:20:21.547 --> 00:20:23.667
a lot of people have options.
00:20:24.477 --> 00:20:30.236
Their, their sense of choice is of
course, subjective to how exactly the
00:20:30.236 --> 00:20:32.631
context of their situation affects them.
00:20:33.081 --> 00:20:36.696
It's about a symptom
of , the capitalism machine.
00:20:36.996 --> 00:20:43.089
This movie is about the cause mm-hmm
, and all of the horrible shit that
00:20:43.089 --> 00:20:46.929
happens to those characters in, in
movies, like Requiem for a Dream or,
00:20:47.019 --> 00:20:51.992
or any of those films where like, just
people get fucked up by, you know, we
00:20:51.992 --> 00:20:54.392
live in a society kind of statements.
00:20:54.778 --> 00:20:57.668
This movie is like, here's the problem.
00:20:58.068 --> 00:20:59.718
And you can't really blame.
00:20:59.718 --> 00:21:02.808
I mean, yeah, there's some assholes
here and there's some assholes there.
00:21:03.208 --> 00:21:07.388
And the real, like turning point of
this movie is when you know, we, we
00:21:07.388 --> 00:21:14.938
see Trimagasi, like tie down Goreng
and he's like about to strip like
00:21:14.938 --> 00:21:16.948
flesh off of 'em so they can share it.
00:21:17.348 --> 00:21:23.408
And you see how in the context of
that film later, how reasonable-.
00:21:23.888 --> 00:21:24.188
Jamie: Yeah!
00:21:24.878 --> 00:21:26.378
Emily: This decision is.
00:21:26.798 --> 00:21:33.089
And that like, just through character
work is so much more elegant than the kind
00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:37.856
of Heart wrenching almost gratuitousness
of some of these other films that talk
00:21:37.856 --> 00:21:39.776
about, you know, we live in a society.
00:21:39.956 --> 00:21:40.196
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:21:40.349 --> 00:21:41.973
Emily: Y'know there's a
lot of spectacle there.
00:21:42.153 --> 00:21:44.975
This movie, I mean, you can argue
there's a lot of spectacle on how
00:21:44.975 --> 00:21:46.494
much like blood and guts there are.
00:21:46.494 --> 00:21:51.506
But if you really think about it, like
we're not sugarcoating anything here.
00:21:51.764 --> 00:21:53.594
There's nothing that's
fantastical about it.
00:21:53.594 --> 00:21:53.654
Yeah.
00:21:53.744 --> 00:21:57.104
Except for the way that that platform
travels, we don't know how it travels.
00:21:57.504 --> 00:21:59.268
Like is it air currents?
00:21:59.283 --> 00:22:01.498
Is it like I ions?
00:22:01.503 --> 00:22:02.128
I don't know.
00:22:02.218 --> 00:22:03.088
Is it a magnet?
00:22:03.148 --> 00:22:03.838
How do they work?
00:22:04.048 --> 00:22:04.528
But like a-
00:22:04.768 --> 00:22:05.188
Jamie: Magnets!
00:22:05.554 --> 00:22:05.884
Emily: Yeah.
00:22:05.884 --> 00:22:09.544
Like the, the platform has no
discernible method of propulsion.
00:22:09.944 --> 00:22:13.934
Other than that, everything else is
very, like, this is a brutalist space.
00:22:14.334 --> 00:22:15.714
And here's some prisoners.
00:22:15.834 --> 00:22:16.224
Go.
00:22:16.914 --> 00:22:20.197
Jeremy: For me, I think that the
interesting thing is when the movie
00:22:20.197 --> 00:22:24.547
breaks its own conceit, which is
like throughout the first part of
00:22:24.547 --> 00:22:26.947
the movie, you have Goreng going.
00:22:27.517 --> 00:22:27.907
Yeah.
00:22:27.937 --> 00:22:32.107
But what if everybody just
controlled themselves?
00:22:32.107 --> 00:22:35.557
Like, what if everybody just cared about
the people below them and they only
00:22:35.557 --> 00:22:38.317
took what they needed and they made
sure that everybody could else could
00:22:38.317 --> 00:22:41.767
eat there's enough people and there's
enough food here for everybody to eat.
00:22:42.367 --> 00:22:46.717
And then like, you know, when he gets
this uh, roommate who has, has worked for.
00:22:47.137 --> 00:22:50.677
The company Imoguiri who is like,
yeah, there's, you know, there's
00:22:50.677 --> 00:22:54.097
200 floors, like feasibly, there's
enough food for everybody to eat.
00:22:54.097 --> 00:22:56.647
We just have to work in solidarity.
00:22:56.673 --> 00:23:00.576
I think the darkest moment in that
is when he wakes up on floor 2 0 2
00:23:00.576 --> 00:23:02.646
and she has already killed herself.
00:23:02.651 --> 00:23:03.046
Emily: Yeah.
00:23:03.096 --> 00:23:03.576
Jamie: Yeah.
00:23:03.581 --> 00:23:09.776
Jeremy: Because she has realized in that
moment that like, her mission is a lie.
00:23:09.956 --> 00:23:14.676
Like mm-hmm, this concept that there is
enough food to feed these people is a lie.
00:23:15.126 --> 00:23:19.423
Because like they can blame the people
and they do blame the people throughout.
00:23:19.633 --> 00:23:23.513
But then it turns out that even
if those people were performing
00:23:23.513 --> 00:23:27.203
perfectly, even if they were leaving
enough food and just taking what
00:23:27.203 --> 00:23:29.303
they need, there's still not enough.
00:23:29.483 --> 00:23:32.888
The government is lying about how
many people are there and how much,
00:23:32.948 --> 00:23:34.328
you know, food is actually needed.
00:23:34.538 --> 00:23:34.838
Jamie: Yeah.
00:23:35.198 --> 00:23:35.528
Emily: Yeah.
00:23:35.719 --> 00:23:39.119
Jamie: I think that revelation
fucked me up more than anything else,
00:23:39.124 --> 00:23:43.335
because not only are you reliant
on the people above you for your
00:23:43.335 --> 00:23:45.775
survival, but the game is rigged anyway.
00:23:45.895 --> 00:23:49.435
Even if they were playing fair by
the rules, you're still fucked.
00:23:49.675 --> 00:23:55.915
So like when, when that part hit me,
I , I was sitting alone in the middle
00:23:55.915 --> 00:23:57.795
of a pandemic where people were-
00:23:57.805 --> 00:23:58.255
Emily: oh God!
00:23:58.255 --> 00:24:01.765
Jamie: Running around with no masks
saying like, oh fuck, what are you
00:24:01.825 --> 00:24:03.265
being afraid of masks and stuff.
00:24:03.265 --> 00:24:06.445
And we were still like in the early days
where like, we didn't know what to do.
00:24:06.445 --> 00:24:09.655
So things were shut down and you
had people like, so I was like, yep.
00:24:10.165 --> 00:24:13.675
This, I don't know if I'm supposed
to glean any hope out of this fucking
00:24:13.675 --> 00:24:15.985
movie, but that's just the way we are.
00:24:16.135 --> 00:24:17.785
We can't rely on anyone else.
00:24:17.790 --> 00:24:21.115
And oh, by the way, the
game's fucking rigged anyway.
00:24:21.385 --> 00:24:21.875
Emily: Yeah.
00:24:22.465 --> 00:24:22.915
Yeah.
00:24:22.915 --> 00:24:24.325
That's, what's so real about it.
00:24:24.405 --> 00:24:28.845
They mention it in the movie,
they show how these characters
00:24:28.845 --> 00:24:31.845
will go from random floors.
00:24:32.245 --> 00:24:35.425
So you'll have somebody who has
figured it out on floor 48 and then
00:24:35.425 --> 00:24:37.585
suddenly they're on floor 1 72.
00:24:38.065 --> 00:24:38.245
Jamie: Yeah.
00:24:38.672 --> 00:24:40.172
Emily: Trimagasi he's like ready to go.
00:24:40.172 --> 00:24:43.802
He's like, okay, so I know what to
do here, but he doesn't make any he
00:24:43.802 --> 00:24:48.482
doesn't expand his thought to anyone
around him because like anyone above or
00:24:48.482 --> 00:24:53.369
below, the fact that it's hard enough
for him to manage a situation with
00:24:53.459 --> 00:24:55.379
him and one other person to survive.
00:24:55.384 --> 00:24:55.559
Yeah.
00:24:55.739 --> 00:24:55.919
Yeah.
00:24:55.939 --> 00:25:02.551
And it seems really callous and
it is but even though he has the
00:25:02.551 --> 00:25:06.911
experience to be sympathetic,
he is still incredibly selfish.
00:25:07.966 --> 00:25:15.734
and that is so important because we,
people who are privileged, always
00:25:15.734 --> 00:25:25.763
expect those noble strugglers before,
below them to be so like sympathetic,
00:25:26.153 --> 00:25:30.113
because, you know, once they show
sympathy to them, right, where they're
00:25:30.113 --> 00:25:32.903
like, oh, I'm offering you this gift.
00:25:33.293 --> 00:25:35.063
It's the whole savior complex.
00:25:35.247 --> 00:25:39.657
And then we, we expect people like
when we're trying to, level things out,
00:25:39.747 --> 00:25:46.012
economically, whatever, there is this
conceit that, oh, the people who've been
00:25:46.012 --> 00:25:49.522
through shit will always understand.
00:25:49.642 --> 00:25:51.532
They won't be traumatized.
00:25:51.832 --> 00:25:53.722
They won't be desperate.
00:25:53.972 --> 00:25:59.992
They will think and act with the clarity
that we, the privilege do because we,
00:25:59.992 --> 00:26:01.792
the privilege gave them an option too.
00:26:01.952 --> 00:26:02.562
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:26:02.642 --> 00:26:03.002
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:26:03.262 --> 00:26:03.442
Emily: You know?
00:26:03.712 --> 00:26:09.832
Like people can't immediately become
woke, so to speak, like that's the
00:26:09.832 --> 00:26:14.012
thing about this movie is that people
will, will lose hope on a dime.
00:26:14.412 --> 00:26:18.162
And that's true, you know, because when
you have a high ideal, and you have this
00:26:18.167 --> 00:26:22.382
way of seeing the world and suddenly
it's like there aren't 204 50 floors.
00:26:22.412 --> 00:26:22.682
Jamie: Yeah.
00:26:23.012 --> 00:26:25.422
Emily: There's infinite
floors or whatever.
00:26:25.822 --> 00:26:29.802
Like then everything that you
thought you knew was wrong.
00:26:30.072 --> 00:26:30.162
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:26:30.852 --> 00:26:33.822
Emily: And you might as well just
collapse right then and there.
00:26:34.092 --> 00:26:35.232
Jamie: And your dog is gone.
00:26:35.412 --> 00:26:36.642
Emily: And your dog is gone.
00:26:36.642 --> 00:26:38.772
Your dog dumb bitch killed your dog.
00:26:39.672 --> 00:26:43.812
And, you know, You brought your
fucking dog to the fucking,
00:26:44.682 --> 00:26:45.942
can you eat enough trial?
00:26:45.942 --> 00:26:46.662
Like come on.
00:26:46.752 --> 00:26:47.112
Jamie: Yeah.
00:26:47.382 --> 00:26:47.442
Yeah.
00:26:47.842 --> 00:26:49.822
Jeremy: It turned your
sausage dog in the sausage.
00:26:50.302 --> 00:26:50.542
Emily: Yeah.
00:26:50.542 --> 00:26:50.982
Yeah.
00:26:51.442 --> 00:26:51.862
God.
00:26:52.370 --> 00:26:54.750
Jeremy: Um, Yeah, I it's rough.
00:26:54.865 --> 00:26:58.885
The, the randomization I think is one
of the things that's really interesting
00:26:58.885 --> 00:27:03.995
to me because it mirrors some of these
arguments about healthcare and stuff to me
00:27:03.995 --> 00:27:06.475
that like, people should be sympathetic.
00:27:06.475 --> 00:27:10.365
They should want to make sure that
everybody's healthcare is paid for
00:27:10.365 --> 00:27:15.860
because that is a thing that they
could very realistically have to,
00:27:15.950 --> 00:27:19.490
you know, they could be on that floor
next year, you know, next month.
00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:20.270
Yeah, definitely.
00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:22.620
They could be the one
that's under the gun and-.
00:27:22.625 --> 00:27:25.190
Jamie: And it, and it doesn't matter
how much you've bought into the system.
00:27:25.190 --> 00:27:26.990
It doesn't matter like how rich you are.
00:27:27.410 --> 00:27:27.620
Yeah.
00:27:27.620 --> 00:27:29.060
One bad day can fuck you up.
00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:31.660
And you're on Level 300383.
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.200
And like, and no one
gives a shit about you.
00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:34.870
Yeah.
00:27:34.870 --> 00:27:38.020
They're gonna shit in your food
and you're gonna get broken glass
00:27:38.020 --> 00:27:39.310
when the platform comes to you.
00:27:39.340 --> 00:27:40.960
So Hurray.
00:27:41.870 --> 00:27:42.360
.
Emily: Yeah.
00:27:42.860 --> 00:27:43.250
Yeah.
00:27:43.250 --> 00:27:49.222
And, and it really effectively critiques
that conceit that like, oh, if we all know
00:27:49.222 --> 00:27:51.292
how bad it can be, then we can be better.
00:27:51.692 --> 00:27:54.872
Jeremy: It points that out too
with like, no matter how good you
00:27:54.872 --> 00:27:56.792
are, the system is still rigged.
00:27:56.852 --> 00:28:00.422
And like, unless the system
is fixed, it doesn't matter.
00:28:00.632 --> 00:28:00.842
Yeah.
00:28:00.847 --> 00:28:01.412
How good you are.
00:28:01.412 --> 00:28:03.875
There's still gonna be
people, that don't get fed.
00:28:03.975 --> 00:28:04.185
Jamie: Yeah.
00:28:04.194 --> 00:28:07.867
Like if the system can tell that you're
trying to squirrel something away and
00:28:07.867 --> 00:28:13.327
will burn you or ice you out, you could
implement a system where there's portion
00:28:13.332 --> 00:28:16.537
things on the platform itself, and you
can only take what you're allotted.
00:28:16.987 --> 00:28:17.407
Emily: Yeah.
00:28:17.497 --> 00:28:18.967
Jamie: But that they don't give a shit.
00:28:19.117 --> 00:28:20.107
They really don't give a shit.
00:28:20.107 --> 00:28:21.547
Once you're in the
system who gives a fuck.
00:28:22.027 --> 00:28:22.507
Emily: Yeah.
00:28:22.597 --> 00:28:26.877
And I also love that this movie doesn't
have a moment where they're like, oh,
00:28:27.277 --> 00:28:29.287
it's a social experiment or whatever.
00:28:29.317 --> 00:28:30.967
Cuz it's, I mean, it's obvious.
00:28:30.967 --> 00:28:31.027
Yeah.
00:28:31.057 --> 00:28:35.248
But like it's Cause I mean
the, the, the situation is so.
00:28:35.648 --> 00:28:38.998
I I like saying elegant
because it is muy elegante.
00:28:39.448 --> 00:28:41.428
Also, is it postapocalyptic?
00:28:41.828 --> 00:28:44.148
Jeremy: I mean, that,
that may be not the best.
00:28:44.328 --> 00:28:46.418
Jamie: Well, the, the
one, the one scene where-.
00:28:46.418 --> 00:28:47.868
Jeremy: We don't actually
see the outside really.
00:28:48.018 --> 00:28:51.268
Jamie: You see that one scene where
he's, talking to what's her face.
00:28:51.318 --> 00:28:55.840
Imoguiri about like, when she's
checking him in, the office space
00:28:55.845 --> 00:28:57.490
is kind of vast and brutalist.
00:28:57.490 --> 00:29:01.360
So you get the idea that it might
be a, a future or a near future.
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.170
Emily: Yeah.
00:29:02.380 --> 00:29:02.740
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:29:02.789 --> 00:29:06.889
Jamie: And I was trying to find clues
in the opening too, where like, they're,
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:11.009
they're being so fastidious about the
food preparation, but it just looks
00:29:11.009 --> 00:29:12.659
like, you know, gleaming walls and stuff.
00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:16.784
Emily: Well, they were also, the food
was, I don't know if this is like
00:29:16.789 --> 00:29:19.994
an industrial kitchen thing, but it
looked like they had food in all these
00:29:19.994 --> 00:29:22.154
different, like sandblasting cases.
00:29:23.709 --> 00:29:23.829
Jamie: Hmm.
00:29:23.879 --> 00:29:28.392
Emily: Which was weird, like these weird
little containers, like it reminded me
00:29:28.397 --> 00:29:31.492
of a um, like a sandblasting case or a-.
00:29:31.541 --> 00:29:32.941
Jamie: Like a NICU thing?
00:29:33.341 --> 00:29:34.331
With the gloves and stuff?
00:29:34.371 --> 00:29:35.811
Emily: Yes, yes, exactly.
00:29:36.516 --> 00:29:38.286
Like a hazmat kind of situation.
00:29:38.686 --> 00:29:39.976
Which is also interesting.
00:29:40.246 --> 00:29:43.686
Jeremy: Yeah, I think like that's one
of the, the preparation too, I think
00:29:43.686 --> 00:29:48.006
is one of the things that's interesting
about it to me is that like, they could
00:29:48.006 --> 00:29:53.166
send enough food and probably spend,
well, definitely spend less money
00:29:53.166 --> 00:29:55.776
than they do on the food that's there.
00:29:55.986 --> 00:29:56.256
Yeah.
00:29:56.286 --> 00:29:58.896
But instead they, you know, they
ask everybody what their favorite
00:29:58.896 --> 00:30:01.782
food is and they, they prep
the stuff you know, coming in.
00:30:01.782 --> 00:30:05.864
So like our, our main character
Says that he, he wants escargot.
00:30:06.364 --> 00:30:07.594
Like, that's his favorite food.
00:30:07.594 --> 00:30:12.514
So they prep escargot every day and put
it on the, the thing along with all these,
00:30:12.604 --> 00:30:16.372
you know, desserts, this big chocolate
cake that goes on there every day.
00:30:16.552 --> 00:30:16.822
Jamie: Yeah.
00:30:16.889 --> 00:30:18.570
Jeremy: All these amazing looking foods.
00:30:19.340 --> 00:30:21.770
Jamie: It speaks to the
bureaucracy of it all because
00:30:21.770 --> 00:30:23.460
like they could put a check mark.
00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:23.670
See?
00:30:23.727 --> 00:30:26.162
We're seeing to the needs
of the people in the system.
00:30:26.492 --> 00:30:27.872
We're giving them what they want.
00:30:27.872 --> 00:30:30.542
They have the ability to get
the thing that they want.
00:30:30.542 --> 00:30:32.582
Mm-hmm , it's not on us
that they don't get it.
00:30:32.982 --> 00:30:37.452
We have provided them the ability,
the chance to get this thing.
00:30:37.452 --> 00:30:38.772
It's their favorite thing.
00:30:38.892 --> 00:30:40.242
And we've provided it for them.
00:30:40.392 --> 00:30:42.042
And we're so fastidious about this.
00:30:42.042 --> 00:30:45.552
Like our head chef gets pissed
off if something is out of place.
00:30:45.552 --> 00:30:47.052
So, so we've checked that.
00:30:47.262 --> 00:30:47.952
We're good.
00:30:48.352 --> 00:30:49.222
We can go on.
00:30:49.622 --> 00:30:51.002
It's it's just, Ugh.
00:30:51.182 --> 00:30:51.572
Emily: I hate, yeah.
00:30:51.572 --> 00:30:52.802
It checks out on paper.
00:30:52.952 --> 00:30:53.222
Jamie: Yeah.
00:30:53.462 --> 00:30:54.182
Emily: And that's yeah.
00:30:54.182 --> 00:30:58.929
That is a litmus test like that, you know,
that you can see that is the, the margin
00:30:58.929 --> 00:31:01.059
of success is that it checks out on paper.
00:31:01.459 --> 00:31:01.759
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:31:01.769 --> 00:31:05.779
I, I think Trimagasi is such
an interesting character to
00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:08.719
me because he feels so real.
00:31:09.193 --> 00:31:12.043
He's a guy who is giving the
same sort of justifications
00:31:12.048 --> 00:31:13.483
of, of like people, you know.
00:31:13.513 --> 00:31:16.963
He is the equivalent of
like a, a Fox news watcher.
00:31:16.963 --> 00:31:20.443
You know, he sees, he sees
these bad things on TV and
00:31:20.443 --> 00:31:21.583
he knows the way people are.
00:31:21.583 --> 00:31:25.363
So that's the way he is, you know,
he gives back the same thing that he
00:31:25.663 --> 00:31:27.703
expects to receive from other people.
00:31:28.064 --> 00:31:29.384
He treats other people the same way.
00:31:29.384 --> 00:31:31.244
He thinks they're going to treat him.
00:31:31.544 --> 00:31:33.714
Not the way that, you know,
he wants to be treated.
00:31:33.815 --> 00:31:37.655
He thinks he must be miserable because
of, you know, this, this thing that
00:31:37.655 --> 00:31:39.665
he sees on TV that there's an ad for.
00:31:39.665 --> 00:31:43.715
So if he just gets the, if he can just buy
up this thing and have this thing, then
00:31:44.195 --> 00:31:45.875
you know, his life won't be shit anymore.
00:31:45.995 --> 00:31:46.205
Jamie: Yeah.
00:31:46.265 --> 00:31:48.227
Jeremy: But then there's
always another thing, right?
00:31:48.227 --> 00:31:49.590
Like there's always the next thing.
00:31:49.635 --> 00:31:52.605
And I, I think that's,
really's really interesting.
00:31:52.718 --> 00:31:56.408
You know, those, those lines about
like, oh, I'm not a murderer.
00:31:56.413 --> 00:31:58.508
I'm just somebody who's afraid.
00:31:59.018 --> 00:32:05.283
Which like is so symptomatic of this like
question of, of security versus, versus
00:32:05.283 --> 00:32:07.143
Liberty versus caring about people.
00:32:07.323 --> 00:32:07.713
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:32:07.958 --> 00:32:12.548
Jeremy: Like this, there's so many
people that justify doing horrible
00:32:12.548 --> 00:32:15.578
things to other people because
they're afraid that other people are
00:32:15.578 --> 00:32:17.108
going to do horrible things to them.
00:32:17.468 --> 00:32:17.888
Emily: Yeah.
00:32:18.288 --> 00:32:21.738
Jamie: And watching this during
the pandemic was just way too.
00:32:21.923 --> 00:32:22.433
Emily: My God.
00:32:22.433 --> 00:32:23.928
Jamie: It was way too much of a mirror.
00:32:24.918 --> 00:32:27.348
Emily: I mean, I did watch Requiem
for a Dream during a pandemic
00:32:27.348 --> 00:32:29.178
with that movie was about heroin.
00:32:30.347 --> 00:32:36.497
Um, And this is a movie that is about the
problem that the heroin is a symptom of.
00:32:37.667 --> 00:32:40.097
So yeah, like-.
00:32:40.337 --> 00:32:41.417
Jamie: I should not have watched it.
00:32:42.047 --> 00:32:43.007
Fuck you, Netflix.
00:32:44.117 --> 00:32:44.507
Emily: Hey.
00:32:44.717 --> 00:32:45.347
Jamie: You got me!
00:32:45.352 --> 00:32:47.897
Emily: But you had the choice, James.
00:32:47.897 --> 00:32:49.337
Jamie: I did have the choice I did.
00:32:49.342 --> 00:32:49.777
Emily: You had.
00:32:49.957 --> 00:32:51.427
Choice is an illusion.
00:32:51.697 --> 00:32:54.637
Jamie: I could have been watching
Squid Game, which is another thing
00:32:54.687 --> 00:32:56.707
that came out during the pandemic!
00:32:58.057 --> 00:33:01.867
Jeremy: Yeah, this, this one is it's
funny because it's like, there's
00:33:01.872 --> 00:33:06.247
not really jump scares in this, you
know, that's not scary in that way.
00:33:06.577 --> 00:33:06.757
Yeah.
00:33:06.787 --> 00:33:10.207
But like, as I was doing the like
trigger warnings for this, I was
00:33:10.207 --> 00:33:13.062
like, oh yeah, there's violence.
00:33:13.062 --> 00:33:13.412
There's gore.
00:33:13.412 --> 00:33:14.137
There's cannibalism.
00:33:14.137 --> 00:33:14.737
There's suicide.
00:33:14.742 --> 00:33:15.427
There's nudity.
00:33:15.787 --> 00:33:18.217
There's onscreen defecation and urination.
00:33:18.457 --> 00:33:18.667
Yeah.
00:33:18.667 --> 00:33:22.363
There's you know, discussions of an
implications of sexual assault and rape.
00:33:22.363 --> 00:33:23.058
There's racism.
00:33:23.058 --> 00:33:24.138
There's Islamophobia.
00:33:24.138 --> 00:33:26.728
And I was like, oh, and
there's all this suicide.
00:33:26.795 --> 00:33:27.204
Emily: Yeah.
00:33:27.209 --> 00:33:27.674
Yeah.
00:33:27.794 --> 00:33:32.244
And a tinnitus- give it, give this shit
a solid tinnitus warning cuz you need it.
00:33:32.424 --> 00:33:33.574
The very beginning scene.
00:33:33.574 --> 00:33:34.774
I was like, oh dear.
00:33:35.174 --> 00:33:35.594
Ugh.
00:33:36.004 --> 00:33:40.684
Jamie: Oh, and the, the, the food, the,
the audio of the food, like when they're
00:33:40.714 --> 00:33:42.964
eating, it's just so like, oh yeah.
00:33:42.964 --> 00:33:43.534
Emily: If you have that.
00:33:43.534 --> 00:33:47.211
Jamie: So moist and just like,
yeah, it just it's just, it's a,
00:33:47.211 --> 00:33:49.251
so audible, visceral experience.
00:33:49.251 --> 00:33:52.341
Like every time they're grabbing
food, it's just like it's.
00:33:52.641 --> 00:33:52.851
Emily: Yeah.
00:33:53.241 --> 00:33:54.681
There's a lot of mouth sounds.
00:33:55.011 --> 00:33:55.311
Jamie: Yeah.
00:33:55.311 --> 00:33:57.001
Emily: And I know some
people are not into that.
00:33:57.561 --> 00:34:01.441
Jamie: It's like, whatever the
opposite of ASMR is just like, Ugh.
00:34:01.821 --> 00:34:03.111
Jeremy: Especially Trimagasi.
00:34:03.166 --> 00:34:04.791
Every time he's getting into the food.
00:34:04.791 --> 00:34:07.461
Like, especially that first time
that Goreng is watching him.
00:34:07.671 --> 00:34:07.941
Jamie: Yeah.
00:34:07.946 --> 00:34:10.281
Jeremy: Eat there's
clearly already eaten food.
00:34:10.461 --> 00:34:10.731
Jamie: Yeah.
00:34:10.731 --> 00:34:14.851
Jeremy: And like, he's just like
sucking the marrow out of the bones and.
00:34:15.001 --> 00:34:15.361
Jamie: Yeah.
00:34:15.871 --> 00:34:17.701
It's like this desperate sound.
00:34:17.701 --> 00:34:19.921
And by the end of the movie, you get it.
00:34:19.921 --> 00:34:22.881
But like, those first couple times
you're like the fuck is going on, man?
00:34:23.241 --> 00:34:24.511
Like what's happening?
00:34:24.751 --> 00:34:25.201
Emily: Yeah.
00:34:25.206 --> 00:34:30.181
The expansion of context is
so effective with just these
00:34:30.181 --> 00:34:32.791
very small bits of information.
00:34:32.941 --> 00:34:35.581
Like there's another floor
that they didn't think about.
00:34:35.981 --> 00:34:38.741
And it wasn't, it didn't ever
get that much more messy.
00:34:38.741 --> 00:34:41.281
Like there wasn't any
extra shit that showed up.
00:34:41.281 --> 00:34:44.431
It's not like some death note shit
where they're like, oh, and now
00:34:44.431 --> 00:34:47.881
you have all these rules about how
you can death note somebody like
00:34:48.451 --> 00:34:50.621
.
This is the same thing.
00:34:50.626 --> 00:34:51.101
Yeah.
00:34:51.101 --> 00:34:56.307
This is a, there are these
circumstances and everything else
00:34:56.312 --> 00:34:58.447
is up to you and that's your fault.
00:34:58.987 --> 00:34:59.227
Jamie: Yeah.
00:35:00.487 --> 00:35:01.477
Emily: Implicitly, right?
00:35:01.482 --> 00:35:01.727
Yeah.
00:35:01.727 --> 00:35:01.867
So.
00:35:01.867 --> 00:35:03.475
Jamie: This motherfucker
volunteered for this shit.
00:35:03.535 --> 00:35:04.165
Oh my God.
00:35:04.195 --> 00:35:04.495
Emily: Yeah.
00:35:04.495 --> 00:35:06.355
But that's another thing is
that I, you know, they didn't
00:35:06.355 --> 00:35:07.675
know what the fuck that was.
00:35:07.705 --> 00:35:08.195
Yeah.
00:35:08.445 --> 00:35:09.915
You know, they quote unquote opted in.
00:35:10.315 --> 00:35:14.185
But nobody knows exactly what they're
opting in for like, if, if you go to this
00:35:14.185 --> 00:35:18.935
place and you're like, okay, so I have to
stay in in here for six months, so sure.
00:35:18.935 --> 00:35:19.860
Eat okay.
00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:22.330
And, or not cool.
00:35:22.330 --> 00:35:26.590
And then you wake up and you're like,
oh, there's a cannibalism happening.
00:35:27.723 --> 00:35:30.073
This is this isn't cool.
00:35:30.073 --> 00:35:33.133
This isn't like sexy Hannibal cannibalism.
00:35:33.493 --> 00:35:33.943
Too.
00:35:34.843 --> 00:35:36.733
Like, Hannibal's like sexy.
00:35:37.573 --> 00:35:44.102
There was a bit where Imoguiri was
talking about how well both her and
00:35:44.123 --> 00:35:49.319
Trimagasi were talking about like how
their bodies and their flesh are sacred.
00:35:49.319 --> 00:35:53.116
And I think it was Trimagasi was
saying that like, now that you eaten
00:35:53.116 --> 00:35:54.456
of me, I am part of you forever.
00:35:55.231 --> 00:35:56.221
And all this kind of stuff.
00:35:56.221 --> 00:35:59.807
And then there was like the, the parallel
made with the communion and, and all that.
00:35:59.807 --> 00:36:03.415
And the sacrifice that Imoguiri
made, like the fact that she left
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:07.045
her body was, you know, he was
thinking like, was it a gift to me?
00:36:07.045 --> 00:36:08.425
So I didn't have to starve?
00:36:08.425 --> 00:36:08.915
Jamie: Yeah.
00:36:09.295 --> 00:36:11.845
Emily: You know, what am I supposed
to do with this information?
00:36:12.534 --> 00:36:13.044
Et cetera.
00:36:13.113 --> 00:36:16.863
And then remembering, like, wasn't
it cute when Hannibal ate the rude?
00:36:17.343 --> 00:36:19.123
And now you think like, no.
00:36:21.433 --> 00:36:22.963
No, he's the 1%.
00:36:23.363 --> 00:36:23.813
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:36:24.023 --> 00:36:24.233
Emily: Yeah.
00:36:26.003 --> 00:36:27.623
Jeremy: That's all that
preparation, you know?
00:36:27.773 --> 00:36:28.263
Yeah.
00:36:28.263 --> 00:36:31.120
That's, that's what makes it edible,
but yeah, the, they don't pull
00:36:31.120 --> 00:36:35.380
away from the, the cutting and the
eating and this movie they're very
00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:37.547
like uh, in your face about it.
00:36:37.923 --> 00:36:38.733
It's so good.
00:36:38.733 --> 00:36:39.663
And it's so rough.
00:36:39.703 --> 00:36:41.983
The opting in thing is interesting.
00:36:41.983 --> 00:36:47.303
Cause I think in that way, it sort of
reminds me of like debt and, you know,
00:36:47.303 --> 00:36:52.433
the fact that he's getting a uh, a degree
out of it, I think is important in that
00:36:52.438 --> 00:36:56.183
respect that, you know, you, you opt into
debt thinking, oh, this is gonna be an
00:36:56.183 --> 00:37:00.233
easy thing when I just, you know, get
this small amount and I have to, you know,
00:37:00.263 --> 00:37:03.893
pay it off and this time and it'll be
easy, cuz I'll have a degree after this.
00:37:04.463 --> 00:37:08.873
And then like you just get sucked
into this system where, you know, you
00:37:08.873 --> 00:37:13.263
could get pulled down to, you can get
pulled down a floor 2 0 2 at any time.
00:37:13.663 --> 00:37:14.113
Emily: Yeah.
00:37:14.683 --> 00:37:18.643
And I don't think he, you know, I don't
think anybody who opted in knew that.
00:37:18.887 --> 00:37:19.447
Jamie: Right.
00:37:19.635 --> 00:37:24.015
Emily: And honestly they could have
been told something like, yeah, so
00:37:24.020 --> 00:37:26.535
there's a bunch of floors and there's
a certain amount of food and it goes
00:37:26.540 --> 00:37:28.095
down the floors and it's fine, you know?
00:37:28.095 --> 00:37:29.905
And that's the thing is
it's, it's so simple.
00:37:30.475 --> 00:37:32.635
And it sounds simple.
00:37:32.715 --> 00:37:38.108
Just like advertising jargon, the,
the kind that tricked Trimagasi
00:37:38.162 --> 00:37:39.992
where it's like, it's that simple?
00:37:39.992 --> 00:37:41.592
You just stay alive.
00:37:41.992 --> 00:37:42.202
Yeah.
00:37:42.207 --> 00:37:42.592
Hang out.
00:37:42.592 --> 00:37:43.432
You have a bathroom.
00:37:43.582 --> 00:37:44.572
You have, you have a sink.
00:37:44.922 --> 00:37:45.532
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:37:45.722 --> 00:37:47.962
Jeremy: I think the, the one thing
I, I didn't really mention, which
00:37:47.962 --> 00:37:51.239
I think plays into the end a bit
is that you know, Imoguiri tells
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:52.829
him like, oh, there's no kids here.
00:37:52.829 --> 00:37:53.999
There are never any kids here.
00:37:54.269 --> 00:37:55.049
Under sixteens.
00:37:55.049 --> 00:37:55.769
They're not allowed.
00:37:55.887 --> 00:37:59.747
So like the, the fact that they
have this kid and they send her up
00:37:59.747 --> 00:38:01.907
at the end, you know, it, it should.
00:38:02.307 --> 00:38:05.157
Trigger the idea that there
is something wrong that like
00:38:05.157 --> 00:38:06.732
this kid should not be here.
00:38:06.798 --> 00:38:09.198
Jamie: But it, but you know,
it's not gonna make a difference.
00:38:09.558 --> 00:38:14.118
Like, you know that if they did a sequel
to this movie, it's just the same movie.
00:38:14.448 --> 00:38:17.688
They, they just give you a ticket for
the first movie and you walk right into.
00:38:17.868 --> 00:38:20.118
Cause like, you know, this is
not gonna make a difference.
00:38:20.238 --> 00:38:22.888
They're gonna be like, oh, how'd
you get there and it'll be a blip.
00:38:22.888 --> 00:38:24.328
And then you go right back to it.
00:38:24.388 --> 00:38:27.898
And that, yeah, that's the part, at
least that's the way I interpreted it.
00:38:27.898 --> 00:38:29.488
Cuz I was in a bad head
space when I saw this...
00:38:30.268 --> 00:38:33.988
Emily: I mean, but I, it could very
will be that it could be, I think
00:38:33.988 --> 00:38:37.043
it's important that it's open ended
because like that's really the, the
00:38:37.048 --> 00:38:41.873
hope that there is, is that like maybe
the next person will figure it out.
00:38:42.483 --> 00:38:42.973
Jamie: Yeah.
00:38:43.073 --> 00:38:43.613
Emily: You know?
00:38:44.213 --> 00:38:44.513
Jeremy: And I mean, yeah.
00:38:44.543 --> 00:38:47.333
Hopefully who like whoever
gets this, whoever.
00:38:48.308 --> 00:38:51.578
Whoever cleans up the platform
when it comes back at the end of
00:38:51.578 --> 00:38:53.918
the day is not the administration.
00:38:53.948 --> 00:38:54.008
Yeah.
00:38:54.008 --> 00:38:57.518
There's somebody who is, you know, a
regular worker who knows that there's
00:38:57.518 --> 00:38:59.378
not supposed to be 16 year olds in here.
00:38:59.708 --> 00:39:02.648
Who's gonna do something hopefully
to cause a fuss about it.
00:39:02.648 --> 00:39:07.788
But you know, letting them know, sending
them a message is the best they can do,
00:39:07.788 --> 00:39:13.908
you know, mm-hmm, the people in the
prison do not have the ability to really
00:39:13.908 --> 00:39:15.378
communicate with the outside world.
00:39:15.378 --> 00:39:17.778
This is, this is the most
they could possibly have done.
00:39:18.018 --> 00:39:18.258
Emily: Yeah.
00:39:18.318 --> 00:39:18.678
Yeah.
00:39:19.158 --> 00:39:24.628
And that's like, the fucked up thing
is Jamie, you, you suggested the reason
00:39:24.838 --> 00:39:29.468
that there is a kid here is that this
kid has lived their entire life here.
00:39:29.768 --> 00:39:30.818
Jamie: Yeah.
00:39:30.818 --> 00:39:34.077
Emily: That, that Miharu had her kid here.
00:39:34.147 --> 00:39:39.156
And I don't know if, I mean, that kid
looks a few years old, so, you know, who
00:39:39.156 --> 00:39:43.246
knows how long they actually were there,
who knows what the circumstances were,
00:39:43.246 --> 00:39:48.346
but there's no way that the administration
didn't know that there was somebody there.
00:39:48.346 --> 00:39:48.886
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:39:49.006 --> 00:39:52.536
Emily: Because there every
room is obviously monitored.
00:39:52.536 --> 00:39:55.686
Cuz how else would they know that
someone steal like hiding food away?
00:39:55.836 --> 00:39:56.136
Jamie: Right.
00:39:56.556 --> 00:39:57.136
Emily: You know?
00:39:57.136 --> 00:39:59.657
Jamie: And, and the platform
stops if there's a person there.
00:39:59.657 --> 00:40:01.187
So the know there's a person there.
00:40:01.457 --> 00:40:02.057
Emily: Yeah.
00:40:02.417 --> 00:40:04.547
If there's, and they
don't clean up the bodies.
00:40:04.947 --> 00:40:07.467
So, you know, at least as far as we know.
00:40:07.867 --> 00:40:08.077
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:40:08.077 --> 00:40:08.917
That was the thing.
00:40:09.427 --> 00:40:13.699
That was the thing they didn't touch
on for that I wondered about is like
00:40:13.939 --> 00:40:17.929
in between the months, there is some
number of people whose job it is
00:40:17.929 --> 00:40:22.699
to wheel out the unconscious people
dispose of all the dead bodies and
00:40:22.699 --> 00:40:26.179
then wheel them back into whatever room
they're going to be in for this month.
00:40:26.399 --> 00:40:29.339
Jamie: Yeah, there could be a, there
could be like a full week that they're
00:40:29.339 --> 00:40:33.566
asleep, that they get switched out
and stuff like the passage of time
00:40:33.566 --> 00:40:35.306
is a lie in this entire thing.
00:40:35.546 --> 00:40:35.876
Emily: Yeah.
00:40:35.876 --> 00:40:37.766
You have no idea how long
you've been in there.
00:40:38.276 --> 00:40:44.453
And here's a question: there's a bit where
Goreng is making tick marks on the wall.
00:40:44.853 --> 00:40:45.843
What is he counting?
00:40:46.203 --> 00:40:47.523
Jeremy: He's counting the floors.
00:40:47.853 --> 00:40:49.713
He's trying to figure
out how long it takes.
00:40:49.718 --> 00:40:49.913
Okay.
00:40:49.913 --> 00:40:50.513
That's right.
00:40:50.513 --> 00:40:55.113
He times how long it takes the platform to
come down to his room and then to leave.
00:40:55.623 --> 00:41:01.325
And then he makes a tick for every, every
floor after that, that he thinks it's,
00:41:01.415 --> 00:41:05.915
you know, he counts the number of times,
which is why he thinks there's 250 floors.
00:41:06.001 --> 00:41:10.821
But you know, then they, that moment that
they go to a floor that both people are
00:41:10.821 --> 00:41:12.681
dead and the elevator just keeps going.
00:41:13.101 --> 00:41:17.731
It's just, and, and like, You know,
his, his roommate says, oh, it doesn't
00:41:17.731 --> 00:41:19.201
stop when there's nobody there.
00:41:19.621 --> 00:41:22.261
That means there's a lot more
floors than we thought there were.
00:41:22.261 --> 00:41:26.221
And like, we have no idea what we're doing
and what we've gotten ourselves into.
00:41:26.251 --> 00:41:26.691
Jamie: Yeah!
00:41:26.721 --> 00:41:27.881
Emily: Yeah yeah.
00:41:27.881 --> 00:41:33.081
I, that, that whole bit was in the midst
of that like psychotic break montage that
00:41:33.081 --> 00:41:37.401
I was like, how, how long is he there?
00:41:37.401 --> 00:41:37.821
Yeah.
00:41:38.331 --> 00:41:39.471
.But yeah, now that makes sense.
00:41:39.951 --> 00:41:40.191
Thank you.
00:41:40.591 --> 00:41:42.721
This is why you need to talk
to somebody about this movie.
00:41:42.931 --> 00:41:48.751
If any of you, if any of you, you
two, especially, but if fans on
00:41:48.871 --> 00:41:51.953
the Twitter have a movie that you
need us to talk about, but you
00:41:51.953 --> 00:41:53.933
can't like be a guest or whatever.
00:41:54.503 --> 00:41:55.763
Just hit me up.
00:41:56.163 --> 00:41:58.743
I'll watch a movie as long
as it's not dumb or horrible.
00:41:58.748 --> 00:42:01.083
Like when I say horrible, I
mean like, you know, racist or
00:42:01.083 --> 00:42:02.493
whatever, like actually racist.
00:42:03.003 --> 00:42:03.093
Yeah.
00:42:03.098 --> 00:42:07.453
You know, not talking about how racism is
bad, but you know, you know what I mean?
00:42:07.853 --> 00:42:08.243
I hope.
00:42:08.643 --> 00:42:09.183
Jeremy: You'll find out.
00:42:09.183 --> 00:42:09.243
Yeah.
00:42:09.643 --> 00:42:14.919
You know, you mentioned that there is
racism in this movie and it's interesting
00:42:14.919 --> 00:42:20.229
the way it is shown, because it is sort
of acknowledged people say racist things,
00:42:20.234 --> 00:42:25.869
nobody really makes a point of stopping
them and going, Hey, that's racist.
00:42:26.259 --> 00:42:30.489
But like the movie's just like, Nope,
the way that's the way this dude is.
00:42:30.789 --> 00:42:31.729
This dude is racist.
00:42:31.778 --> 00:42:31.928
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:31.928 --> 00:42:33.128
Jeremy: And it just kinda keeps going.
00:42:33.402 --> 00:42:37.222
Jamie: I also feel like Goreng
doesn't wanna challenge a guy
00:42:37.222 --> 00:42:38.902
with a knife on his racism.
00:42:39.882 --> 00:42:40.372
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:40.822 --> 00:42:44.912
But I mean, like, it's interesting
how racism is used in a lot of these
00:42:45.009 --> 00:42:51.709
situations, because usually it is
like an ad hominem or just someone
00:42:51.709 --> 00:42:54.529
in, in like the midst of desperation.
00:42:54.769 --> 00:42:59.569
These people who are incredibly
upset and disillusioned, and
00:42:59.569 --> 00:43:01.999
they're like, well, I guess I
might as well be racist about this.
00:43:01.999 --> 00:43:02.059
Yeah.
00:43:02.126 --> 00:43:06.307
Yeah, cuz there's the, bit where they're
going down the, on the platform with
00:43:06.307 --> 00:43:09.757
Bahara t and doing the food, you know,
seizing the means of production, well
00:43:09.757 --> 00:43:11.107
seizing the means of distribution.
00:43:11.157 --> 00:43:16.797
And then one of the guys that they're
trying to police away from the food, so to
00:43:16.797 --> 00:43:23.233
speak, sorry for using that term is uh, is
trying to use racism to manipulate them.
00:43:23.473 --> 00:43:23.773
Jamie: Yeah.
00:43:24.173 --> 00:43:24.653
Emily: So.
00:43:25.053 --> 00:43:26.853
Jamie: Maybe in a better
time, it's a good time.
00:43:27.363 --> 00:43:29.373
Maybe when the sun is out,
you should watch this movie.
00:43:30.123 --> 00:43:30.933
Emily: Yeah.
00:43:31.483 --> 00:43:33.873
but not when it's 118 degrees outside.
00:43:33.873 --> 00:43:34.353
Jamie: No, no, no, no.
00:43:34.353 --> 00:43:34.593
Yeah.
00:43:34.598 --> 00:43:35.433
Not when you're frying.
00:43:35.823 --> 00:43:39.183
Emily: Don't don't watch this movie when
you're like your Bo your, your soul is
00:43:39.183 --> 00:43:42.963
actively trying to crawl out of your
body just so it can breathe for a second.
00:43:43.363 --> 00:43:44.413
Don't watch it then.
00:43:44.473 --> 00:43:48.623
That's when you watch Steven
Universe, at least dissociation is
00:43:48.623 --> 00:43:52.216
fun and rainbow colored when you're
watching season Steven Universe.
00:43:52.456 --> 00:43:52.786
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:43:53.296 --> 00:43:53.626
Yeah.
00:43:53.626 --> 00:43:55.366
Like, I, I think this movie's incredible.
00:43:55.366 --> 00:44:00.344
I think, you know, you, you guys did
obviously mention recommend for a dream.
00:44:00.854 --> 00:44:04.012
It's, it's one of those that
it's like you can't just watch
00:44:04.012 --> 00:44:06.802
this one whenever you have to be
prepared for what's coming for you.
00:44:06.816 --> 00:44:09.726
Cuz it's it's heavy
and when you hear like.
00:44:10.101 --> 00:44:12.051
The goofy concept of it.
00:44:12.051 --> 00:44:15.261
The there's a platform that
distributes, you know, food to
00:44:15.261 --> 00:44:16.701
all the floors with this prison.
00:44:17.031 --> 00:44:19.891
It's gotta be, you know,
ham fisted and dumb.
00:44:19.891 --> 00:44:20.341
Right?
00:44:20.551 --> 00:44:20.761
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:44:21.001 --> 00:44:26.551
Jeremy: Um, and like, it is amazing how,
how effective it actually ends up being.
00:44:26.651 --> 00:44:27.141
Emily: Yeah.
00:44:27.824 --> 00:44:31.064
Jamie: I, I really like how you
framed it Emily, as a logic problem.
00:44:31.094 --> 00:44:33.344
Like, it's, it's one of
those classic logic problems.
00:44:33.349 --> 00:44:35.054
Like, oh, you can logic a way out of this.
00:44:35.184 --> 00:44:35.694
Nuh-uh!
00:44:36.104 --> 00:44:38.554
Emily: No, it's more
complicated than that.
00:44:38.734 --> 00:44:38.974
Jamie: Yeah.
00:44:39.244 --> 00:44:41.914
Emily: And that is the, the
long and the short of it.
00:44:41.914 --> 00:44:44.194
I think in terms of
that, that conversation.
00:44:44.444 --> 00:44:50.804
This is a situation that is so complicated
and so fucked from the beginning, that
00:44:51.204 --> 00:44:57.034
every way out is going to require a
sacrifice and, you know, is it worth it?
00:44:57.432 --> 00:45:01.492
Jeremy: It, it's so interesting to me, the
way this movie gives a premise and then
00:45:01.497 --> 00:45:06.592
denies the premise, which is like you come
in with this idea that like, oh, this is
00:45:06.592 --> 00:45:11.002
a movie about how people are terrible and
how, if you could just coordinate people
00:45:11.002 --> 00:45:15.592
to work together and, you know, care about
each other, then everything would be fine.
00:45:16.162 --> 00:45:19.132
But the reality is the deck
is stacked from the beginning.
00:45:19.162 --> 00:45:24.252
And like, , this idea that if we
just all worked together and did
00:45:24.257 --> 00:45:26.562
the right thing, is the trap.
00:45:26.567 --> 00:45:29.327
The real trap is thinking
it's the other people's fault.
00:45:29.537 --> 00:45:30.467
Cause you know, yeah.
00:45:30.857 --> 00:45:34.667
The government, the administration and
this, you know, they say in this one is,
00:45:34.672 --> 00:45:37.127
is lying to you about what the problem is.
00:45:37.487 --> 00:45:39.587
And they are the ones pulling strings.
00:45:39.587 --> 00:45:43.747
And you, you can't possibly note
that until it's too late for you.
00:45:43.777 --> 00:45:44.677
Jamie: You've lost it.
00:45:44.677 --> 00:45:47.107
As soon as you signed
that paper, you've lost.
00:45:47.107 --> 00:45:47.647
Emily: Yeah.
00:45:47.917 --> 00:45:48.937
Jamie: It doesn't matter what you do.
00:45:48.937 --> 00:45:50.437
It really doesn't matter what you do.
00:45:50.737 --> 00:45:51.667
It doesn't matter what you do.
00:45:51.907 --> 00:45:55.517
Maybe if you only had a month
stint, but also you've lost.
00:45:55.950 --> 00:45:59.910
Emily: And it's crazy because like
you think about it and you think
00:45:59.910 --> 00:46:04.330
about these people opting in and
you're like, well, they had a choice.
00:46:04.660 --> 00:46:08.260
It was an illusion, but you know,
it could still say like, oh, it's
00:46:08.260 --> 00:46:09.670
their fault for opting into this.
00:46:10.070 --> 00:46:11.330
The real problem?
00:46:11.730 --> 00:46:13.590
We don't have a choice.
00:46:13.990 --> 00:46:17.108
Like, that's the thing is, you
know, you're born into the system.
00:46:17.172 --> 00:46:19.352
And it's not until you really understand.
00:46:19.352 --> 00:46:22.212
And like, it's really
easy to, to lose hope.
00:46:22.212 --> 00:46:25.872
Once you realize like how
fucked up it is, you know?
00:46:26.172 --> 00:46:28.492
And that's where you get
characters like Trimagasi.
00:46:28.573 --> 00:46:29.183
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:46:29.413 --> 00:46:32.167
Emily: Who's like, I thought
this way, I thought that way,
00:46:32.167 --> 00:46:34.327
I thought fi 15 different ways.
00:46:34.417 --> 00:46:36.107
This is how it is.
00:46:36.507 --> 00:46:37.677
This is what I gotta do.
00:46:38.077 --> 00:46:39.727
I don't like it, but I'm gonna do it.
00:46:39.927 --> 00:46:43.197
Other than just being casually racist,
you don't have to be casually racist.
00:46:43.347 --> 00:46:43.527
Jamie: Yeah.
00:46:44.307 --> 00:46:46.377
Emily: No, one's forcing
you to be casually racist.
00:46:46.777 --> 00:46:50.177
Jeremy: You know, this, this movie
is interesting in that it, what you
00:46:50.177 --> 00:46:53.807
take away from it is so sensitive
to when you're watching it.
00:46:53.837 --> 00:46:55.542
Cuz you know, Jamie's talking
about watching it at the
00:46:55.542 --> 00:46:56.777
height of the pandemic and-.
00:46:56.837 --> 00:46:57.287
Jamie: Don't do that!
00:46:57.287 --> 00:47:00.227
Jeremy: And seeing, seeing what
people are are doing in real life.
00:47:00.227 --> 00:47:03.617
And I'm watching this now, you
know, for the second time, but still
00:47:03.622 --> 00:47:08.147
like at the height of us discussing
student debt and like, oh, should
00:47:08.147 --> 00:47:11.687
you, you know, should these people
have to, to pay for these other, you
00:47:11.687 --> 00:47:12.827
know, these other people's debts?
00:47:12.827 --> 00:47:17.721
And I think the question of somebody
like Goreng who volunteered to
00:47:17.721 --> 00:47:20.691
go into this really resonates
with the student debt question.
00:47:20.691 --> 00:47:21.321
Cause it's like-.
00:47:21.321 --> 00:47:21.322
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:47:21.711 --> 00:47:24.732
Jeremy: Well of course you know,
people are going to look at, you know,
00:47:24.732 --> 00:47:28.122
people with student debt and say,
well like, well they chose to do that.
00:47:28.122 --> 00:47:30.732
They volunteered to go into debt.
00:47:30.942 --> 00:47:33.192
Why should I have to pay
for, for their thing?
00:47:33.505 --> 00:47:36.922
You know, I, I think the fact that
he gets a degree when he comes out of
00:47:36.922 --> 00:47:40.002
it, I think is, is really It's really
hitting that button cuz you're like,
00:47:40.002 --> 00:47:45.214
well, that is how it works with, student
debt is you uh, you sign up for this
00:47:45.614 --> 00:47:49.484
immense cost thinking, you know, oh,
well I'm gonna get a degree out of it.
00:47:49.484 --> 00:47:49.954
And that's gonna-.
00:47:49.954 --> 00:47:50.774
Jamie: But then I can pay it off!
00:47:50.774 --> 00:47:52.884
Jeremy: It's not gonna be that bad, yeah.
00:47:52.884 --> 00:47:53.234
Pay it off.
00:47:53.754 --> 00:47:56.954
And it's, it's not, not actually
that simple once you get there.
00:47:57.178 --> 00:48:02.322
Emily: I mean it's the metaphor is
so perfect for all of those different
00:48:02.322 --> 00:48:04.242
systems within the big problem.
00:48:04.242 --> 00:48:08.272
Like the student debt and healthcare
and like civil engineering or, you
00:48:08.272 --> 00:48:10.189
know, social structure, the whole thing.
00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:10.590
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:48:10.680 --> 00:48:13.170
It's like Xmen the metaphor
is whatever you want it to be.
00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:13.640
Jamie: Yeah.
00:48:13.645 --> 00:48:13.920
Emily: Yeah.
00:48:14.040 --> 00:48:15.090
It can be everything.
00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:17.880
Jamie: And unfortunately this
movie is gonna be way too
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.340
relevant for way too long.
00:48:19.740 --> 00:48:20.110
Emily: Yeah.
00:48:20.623 --> 00:48:20.933
Jeremy: Ugh.
00:48:20.933 --> 00:48:25.880
Emily: Yeah, but the other thing
though, is that like a message was sent!
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:27.000
Jamie: That's true!
00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:27.750
Emily: Yeah.
00:48:28.150 --> 00:48:28.420
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:48:28.425 --> 00:48:29.680
Emily: There was a message.
00:48:30.080 --> 00:48:31.960
Jeremy: I've been going
back and forth on this.
00:48:32.510 --> 00:48:37.920
It is ultimately like the cruelest thing
or the kindest thing, depending on,
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:43.110
on where you stand that the movie cuts
without like you finding out what happens.
00:48:43.410 --> 00:48:43.770
Emily: Yes.
00:48:44.690 --> 00:48:47.997
Jamie: It uh, it made me feel
even worse, but that's cuz I
00:48:47.997 --> 00:48:49.227
was watching it when I was.
00:48:50.007 --> 00:48:53.457
Emily: So if you like this
movie, watch Cosmos because
00:48:53.457 --> 00:48:54.927
don't worry, it won't matter.
00:48:57.026 --> 00:49:01.166
Just don't be casually racist
and don't shit on people.
00:49:01.226 --> 00:49:01.496
Yeah.
00:49:01.526 --> 00:49:02.576
There's a toilet.
00:49:03.626 --> 00:49:04.106
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:49:04.166 --> 00:49:05.426
Emily: Or there's a mound.
00:49:05.826 --> 00:49:06.846
Jamie: Let 'em climb a rope.
00:49:06.936 --> 00:49:08.466
They're not gonna get anywhere anyway.
00:49:08.466 --> 00:49:10.236
Emily: Don't don't shit on people's food.
00:49:10.536 --> 00:49:10.746
Jamie: Yeah.
00:49:10.776 --> 00:49:12.216
Emily: Don't shit on other people.
00:49:12.766 --> 00:49:15.156
Shit in the places that
are assigned for shit.
00:49:15.556 --> 00:49:16.186
Please?
00:49:16.546 --> 00:49:16.876
Jamie: Yeah.
00:49:16.926 --> 00:49:20.124
Emily: And if someone else says
that you shouldn't shit there
00:49:20.192 --> 00:49:23.092
now we're getting complicated and
that's much more complicated of
00:49:23.092 --> 00:49:26.797
this than this movie's message.
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.849
Jeremy: I, I sent what I felt like
was an important tweet during watching
00:49:30.849 --> 00:49:34.089
the uh, wrestling Pay-Per-View
this weekend, which was uh, it
00:49:34.089 --> 00:49:36.399
doesn't matter what your wrestlers,
what your favorite wrestlers do.
00:49:36.404 --> 00:49:37.239
Don't spit on people.
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:37.809
That's not nice.
00:49:38.909 --> 00:49:38.999
Emily: Yeah!
00:49:38.999 --> 00:49:39.179
Jamie: Yeah!
00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:39.279
Emily: Yeah!
00:49:39.279 --> 00:49:41.309
Jeremy: Don't spit on people.
00:49:41.379 --> 00:49:41.619
Jamie: Yeah.
00:49:41.619 --> 00:49:42.339
Don't spit on people.
00:49:43.059 --> 00:49:44.049
Jeremy: That's a bad example.
00:49:44.739 --> 00:49:45.489
Don't spit on people.
00:49:45.489 --> 00:49:46.389
Don't shit on people.
00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:47.499
Don't people's food's.
00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:48.279
Emily: Yeah.
00:49:48.498 --> 00:49:53.078
Jeremy: We've talked pretty heavily
about how uh, class is discussed in this.
00:49:53.108 --> 00:49:53.918
Um, And-.
00:49:53.918 --> 00:49:54.998
Emily: This movie's about class?!
00:49:56.468 --> 00:49:56.888
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:49:57.308 --> 00:49:57.938
Emily: What class?
00:49:57.938 --> 00:49:58.718
Like science?
00:49:59.648 --> 00:50:00.068
Jeremy: That's right.
00:50:00.468 --> 00:50:01.698
It's classics, actually.
00:50:01.988 --> 00:50:03.018
Emily: The classics!
00:50:03.018 --> 00:50:03.588
Jamie: The classics.
00:50:03.978 --> 00:50:05.088
It's all about Don Quixote.
00:50:05.508 --> 00:50:05.688
Emily: Yeah.
00:50:05.688 --> 00:50:06.438
Don Quixote...
00:50:06.588 --> 00:50:07.278
Jamie: Oh no.
00:50:07.608 --> 00:50:12.318
Oh, he's so self-deluded, fighting
at windmills that like one in here
00:50:12.318 --> 00:50:16.278
is so self-deluded that they can
actually fight through the, oh fuck.
00:50:16.458 --> 00:50:17.148
Jeremy: Oh my God.
00:50:17.148 --> 00:50:20.928
I never really considered
why, why it was Don Quixote.
00:50:21.258 --> 00:50:22.458
Jamie: Oh, it's uh...
00:50:22.518 --> 00:50:22.608
Emily: Yeah.
00:50:22.608 --> 00:50:25.501
Well, the second there were like
Don Quixote and I'm like, all right.
00:50:25.621 --> 00:50:25.921
Jamie: God.
00:50:25.951 --> 00:50:26.191
Emily: Okay.
00:50:26.191 --> 00:50:26.641
Movie.
00:50:27.031 --> 00:50:27.691
Jamie: Godammit movie.
00:50:27.961 --> 00:50:31.701
Jeremy: It was a part of me that was
like, I have also never read Don Quixote
00:50:32.161 --> 00:50:33.931
and it's because it's fucking huge.
00:50:34.351 --> 00:50:37.561
So like, yeah, every time I've thought
I'd really like to have read Don
00:50:37.561 --> 00:50:39.704
Quixote I look at it and I go, Hmm.
00:50:39.704 --> 00:50:41.790
Emily: I'm gonna, I'm gonna
go out on a limb here.
00:50:42.190 --> 00:50:46.570
The concept of that book and the concept
of the character of Don Quixote is
00:50:46.570 --> 00:50:48.734
enough that we need to understand.
00:50:48.739 --> 00:50:49.174
Yeah.
00:50:49.244 --> 00:50:51.074
You know, it's like Moby Dick.
00:50:51.074 --> 00:50:52.604
Like we understand you.
00:50:52.604 --> 00:50:57.614
If you actually read that book, that book
is mostly about the, how whaling happens.
00:50:57.924 --> 00:51:01.814
Jeremy: It's a lot of, lot of that
man, really talking about all the
00:51:01.814 --> 00:51:03.224
stuff he learned about whales.
00:51:03.534 --> 00:51:03.974
Emily: Yeah.
00:51:04.514 --> 00:51:08.024
Even though they still say, learn
a lot about whales in the whole
00:51:08.024 --> 00:51:09.734
book, they say that they're fish.
00:51:13.432 --> 00:51:17.252
But that's pedantry because at the
time a fish was a thing that swims.
00:51:17.402 --> 00:51:18.012
Jamie: Hurray!
00:51:18.262 --> 00:51:24.712
Emily: And we didn't have like a
scientific fucking kingdom of fish.
00:51:26.302 --> 00:51:28.592
Anyway, is this movie feminist?
00:51:30.422 --> 00:51:31.112
Jeremy: I don't know.
00:51:31.512 --> 00:51:32.202
I don't know.
00:51:32.292 --> 00:51:37.542
Uh, Like it does, it does show a
variety of, of different female
00:51:37.542 --> 00:51:38.922
perspectives in this story.
00:51:38.922 --> 00:51:43.492
Cuz you, you know, you have Imoguiri who's
this person who's trying to fix the system
00:51:43.492 --> 00:51:46.082
who is deluded and does not know it.
00:51:46.262 --> 00:51:49.877
Like we don't, we don't know it
at the time, but it becomes clear
00:51:49.946 --> 00:51:54.656
that she is, she is trying, she has
learned that she has nothing to lose.
00:51:54.896 --> 00:51:58.346
So she has decided she might as well
go down trying to fix something.
00:51:58.736 --> 00:51:58.886
Jamie: Yeah.
00:51:58.916 --> 00:52:02.561
Jeremy: Um, And then, you know,
sometimes, sometimes women can
00:52:02.561 --> 00:52:04.931
be, you know, platform murderers.
00:52:05.471 --> 00:52:09.881
And sometimes, sometimes women
can shit on people like, you know?
00:52:10.031 --> 00:52:10.541
Yeah.
00:52:10.991 --> 00:52:11.351
Jamie: Yeah.
00:52:11.415 --> 00:52:11.865
Emily: I don't know.
00:52:11.865 --> 00:52:16.825
I don't think it really has a lot to
say about feminism because I think of
00:52:16.830 --> 00:52:19.735
one of the things about this movie is
really important is that everybody is
00:52:19.735 --> 00:52:21.475
there, everybody that they can think of.
00:52:21.728 --> 00:52:25.298
You have a variety of
races and, and creeds.
00:52:25.364 --> 00:52:29.156
We assume that there are Muslims
because someone's Islamophobic.
00:52:29.556 --> 00:52:30.576
So, you know-.
00:52:30.576 --> 00:52:33.156
Jeremy: I mean, given that
it, theoretically is, I mean,
00:52:33.161 --> 00:52:34.416
it's happening in Spain.
00:52:34.926 --> 00:52:40.666
There are a lot of people who seem to be
immigrants or from an immigrant family.
00:52:40.996 --> 00:52:41.116
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:52:41.356 --> 00:52:45.204
Jeremy: Um, you know, who are not
necessarily ethnically Spanish.
00:52:45.294 --> 00:52:49.644
Emily: Yeah, there's, there's a certain
amount of diversity in the languages too.
00:52:49.644 --> 00:52:50.964
Cuz there was not just Spanish.
00:52:50.964 --> 00:52:52.564
There was French, there was um, Italian.
00:52:53.349 --> 00:52:53.659
Jamie: Yeah.
00:52:53.671 --> 00:52:55.351
We see a whole bunch of
different people too on there.
00:52:55.861 --> 00:52:56.281
Yeah.
00:52:56.638 --> 00:52:56.927
Jeremy: Okay.
00:52:56.927 --> 00:53:01.937
I did wanna mention the one thing that
did kind of irritate me feminism wise
00:53:02.447 --> 00:53:09.278
is there is for some reason, one dream
sequence in which after meeting our-
00:53:09.278 --> 00:53:09.758
Emily: Miharu.
00:53:10.058 --> 00:53:10.418
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:53:11.078 --> 00:53:17.928
He dreams about them having sex in which
this, you know, she, as a character is,
00:53:17.933 --> 00:53:22.428
is topless for in this scene, which is
completely beside the point of the rest
00:53:22.428 --> 00:53:24.918
of the movie and completely unneeded.
00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:25.710
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
00:53:26.110 --> 00:53:29.320
Jeremy: I don't know, it, it felt
out of place in the movie for me.
00:53:29.710 --> 00:53:35.643
And uh, you know, especially considering
the generally good job this movie does
00:53:35.648 --> 00:53:38.553
of not being like they're sexy prisoners.
00:53:38.793 --> 00:53:42.413
Like women are just as dirty
as the men in this movie.
00:53:42.723 --> 00:53:42.933
Jamie: Yeah.
00:53:42.938 --> 00:53:43.093
Emily: Yes.
00:53:43.143 --> 00:53:44.913
Jeremy: They're all
filthy for the most part.
00:53:45.020 --> 00:53:49.310
Yeah, the only other nudity we get is him
and him Trimagasi uh, nude, stretching
00:53:49.310 --> 00:53:51.308
on their opposite sides of the bed.
00:53:51.323 --> 00:53:55.816
Which is there's, there's that one
sequence, like after they get to
00:53:55.816 --> 00:53:59.146
know each other and be friends for
a little bit on, you know, floor 40,
00:53:59.146 --> 00:54:01.096
whatever it is, they stirred on that.
00:54:01.096 --> 00:54:03.826
It's like, it's kind of funny, like, oh
00:54:03.996 --> 00:54:04.156
Emily: yeah.
00:54:04.156 --> 00:54:05.876
Where they're like, it's
enjoyable for a while.
00:54:06.276 --> 00:54:06.826
Yeah.
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.900
Jeremy: And, and then, you know,
they go down to the one 70 S
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:11.530
and it immediately gets grim.
00:54:11.673 --> 00:54:12.063
Emily: Uh, Yeah.
00:54:12.063 --> 00:54:17.357
I will say that the, the classic, you
know, woman making out with you in a dream
00:54:17.357 --> 00:54:24.820
becomes dog licking your face joke was a
bit of a wild decision for this film, but
00:54:25.030 --> 00:54:28.640
everything else was so fucking intense
that I was like, oh, that happened.
00:54:28.670 --> 00:54:29.270
Okay.
00:54:29.600 --> 00:54:31.250
Why is a dog here?
00:54:31.610 --> 00:54:32.060
Jamie: Yes.
00:54:32.060 --> 00:54:32.480
Why?
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.600
Emily: Like I immediately
was like, is this feminine?
00:54:35.660 --> 00:54:37.040
Why is a dog?
00:54:38.750 --> 00:54:42.470
Why did you bring your,
why did you bring your dog?
00:54:43.160 --> 00:54:46.550
I automatically don't like you, I
don't care how fucking idealistic
00:54:46.550 --> 00:54:48.080
you are or how right you are.
00:54:48.285 --> 00:54:49.275
You brought your dog.
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.595
Jeremy: This is a weird moment of sneaking
tits into the movie for no reason for me.
00:54:54.255 --> 00:54:56.925
Cause I was just like, yeah, you
can get across this idea that
00:54:56.925 --> 00:54:58.815
he's having a dream about her.
00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:04.260
Without necessarily like her just needing
to be topless in this dream scene.
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:05.190
Like it doesn't.
00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:06.690
Yeah, it doesn't fit.
00:55:07.090 --> 00:55:07.540
Emily: Yeah.
00:55:07.630 --> 00:55:10.600
If they can, if they can get away
with not having titty in Earth Girls
00:55:10.605 --> 00:55:13.420
Are Easy, then they can get away
with not having titty in this movie.
00:55:13.820 --> 00:55:15.170
There was a lot of topless.
00:55:15.170 --> 00:55:16.640
Jeff Goldblum in that movie.
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:17.390
I'm sorry.
00:55:17.390 --> 00:55:18.320
I'm reaching for straws.
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:19.800
Jeremy: Jeff Goldblum will
get topless for anything.
00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:22.130
Emily: Don't!
00:55:22.550 --> 00:55:24.880
Don't slut-shame Jeff Goldblum.
00:55:25.670 --> 00:55:26.160
Jeremy: Jeff.
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.940
Jeff Goldblum got
topless in Jurassic Park.
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:29.780
Like.
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:31.080
Jamie: Fantastic.
00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:34.370
Jeremy: There was no call
for that, but he's down.
00:55:34.490 --> 00:55:35.720
Emily: He was injured.
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.510
Jeremy: We'll be talking
about The Fly soon.
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:39.440
Emily: Oh yeah.
00:55:40.100 --> 00:55:40.280
That's-
00:55:40.285 --> 00:55:43.860
Jeremy: The Fly has lots of
unnecessarily naked Jeff Goldbloom.
00:55:44.695 --> 00:55:46.920
Emily: I don't know if that's unnecessary.
00:55:48.410 --> 00:55:48.900
Okay?!
00:55:49.200 --> 00:55:49.470
Jeremy: No?
00:55:49.710 --> 00:55:50.550
Emily: Can we not?!
00:55:51.630 --> 00:55:53.100
Jamie: He is the grand master.
00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:54.690
Emily: Yeah.
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.750
Jeremy: Jeff Goldblum has
no problem getting naked.
00:55:58.350 --> 00:55:58.470
Emily: Yeah.
00:55:59.100 --> 00:56:00.360
I and good for him.
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.961
I mean, at that time of his
life, I would, I'd be like sure.
00:56:05.081 --> 00:56:08.531
Jeremy: If, if you were a 20 year old
Jeff Goldblum, you would get naked too.
00:56:08.531 --> 00:56:08.741
Huh?
00:56:08.951 --> 00:56:09.701
Emily: Oh my God.
00:56:09.701 --> 00:56:14.171
If, if I was a 20 year old,
Jeff Goldblum: a memoir.
00:56:16.421 --> 00:56:16.511
Jeremy: Be naked.
00:56:16.511 --> 00:56:16.991
Emily: Are you there?
00:56:16.991 --> 00:56:17.441
God?
00:56:17.446 --> 00:56:17.831
Jeremy: All day long?
00:56:19.001 --> 00:56:19.601
Emily: It's me.
00:56:19.606 --> 00:56:21.221
I want to be naked 20 year old.
00:56:21.231 --> 00:56:21.591
Jeff gold.
00:56:21.591 --> 00:56:22.271
Jeff Goldblum
00:56:22.548 --> 00:56:22.938
Jeremy: Are you there?
00:56:22.938 --> 00:56:25.678
God, it's uh, uh, it's uh, it's
00:56:28.908 --> 00:56:30.558
the 20, 20 year old naked.
00:56:30.563 --> 00:56:31.338
Jeff Goldblum.
00:56:32.478 --> 00:56:33.768
Emily: And there, there it is.
00:56:33.968 --> 00:56:35.708
Ian Malcolm: uh oh.
00:56:35.708 --> 00:56:36.098
There it is.
00:56:37.678 --> 00:56:38.518
There it is.
00:56:39.220 --> 00:56:39.850
Jeremy: There it is.
00:56:39.850 --> 00:56:40.650
There it is.
00:56:40.690 --> 00:56:41.170
My penis.
00:56:41.170 --> 00:56:41.590
There it is.
00:56:41.610 --> 00:56:47.620
Emily: There's there's my dick.
00:56:48.385 --> 00:56:55.654
And you have uh, 25 Gill and a
magic fire ring for your Dick.
00:56:56.014 --> 00:56:59.494
Jeremy: You know, the one thing uh,
that is missing from the diversity
00:56:59.494 --> 00:57:03.854
of this movie is there's not any sort
of discussion of LGBTQ people at all.
00:57:03.903 --> 00:57:04.203
Jamie: Yeah.
00:57:04.208 --> 00:57:04.463
Emily: No.
00:57:04.463 --> 00:57:05.303
Jeremy: This is not a thing.
00:57:05.703 --> 00:57:08.603
Emily: But the fact that there
is a straight couple having
00:57:08.608 --> 00:57:10.283
sex and they are the worst
00:57:11.093 --> 00:57:11.453
Jeremy: Yes.
00:57:11.453 --> 00:57:13.703
The, the couple on floor
5 is the fucking worst.
00:57:13.853 --> 00:57:14.153
Emily: Yeah.
00:57:14.153 --> 00:57:15.383
They're fucking the, okay.
00:57:15.383 --> 00:57:17.033
Yeah, they're fucking the worst.
00:57:17.033 --> 00:57:20.943
And they are the worst fucking,
so maybe by contrast...
00:57:20.963 --> 00:57:23.543
Jeremy: There's knowing that
some month in the future, they
00:57:23.543 --> 00:57:24.923
will probably eat each other.
00:57:25.223 --> 00:57:25.583
Jamie: Yeah.
00:57:25.583 --> 00:57:26.003
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:57:26.403 --> 00:57:27.873
Emily: I hope he practices though.
00:57:28.273 --> 00:57:29.653
Then this movie's feminist
00:57:31.633 --> 00:57:32.233
Jeremy: Uh,
00:57:32.403 --> 00:57:33.113
Jamie: They're not-
00:57:33.113 --> 00:57:33.733
Emily: I'm so sorry.
00:57:33.973 --> 00:57:35.443
Jamie: They're not gonna last, whatever.
00:57:35.443 --> 00:57:37.963
How many, many months
they're they're in there.
00:57:37.963 --> 00:57:38.893
They're not gonna last.
00:57:39.343 --> 00:57:39.733
No,
00:57:40.133 --> 00:57:40.403
Jeremy: no.
00:57:40.463 --> 00:57:41.063
They're the worst.
00:57:41.513 --> 00:57:42.233
Emily: Alicia.
00:57:42.233 --> 00:57:43.883
This is who, this is where you edit.
00:57:44.283 --> 00:57:45.073
Jeremy: No, no.
00:57:45.103 --> 00:57:46.233
I don't think it is.
00:57:46.633 --> 00:57:49.093
Emily: Cause I have a question for you.
00:57:49.493 --> 00:57:54.916
How long do you think someone can
live by eating pussy that long?
00:57:55.236 --> 00:57:57.366
Jeremy: I feel like I need to
explain some things to you, Emily.
00:58:00.064 --> 00:58:00.414
No,
00:58:01.864 --> 00:58:04.414
Emily: uh, That's presumptuous, but sure.
00:58:04.419 --> 00:58:08.794
Jeremy: I mean you're suggesting
somebody could live off of eating pussy.
00:58:08.868 --> 00:58:09.317
I Don.
00:58:09.402 --> 00:58:12.552
I mean, I've seen Castle
Freak, I've seen Castle Freak.
00:58:13.172 --> 00:58:17.712
So that is a, a literal thing
that happens in Castle Freak.
00:58:17.768 --> 00:58:19.268
Emily: Do they survive on it though?
00:58:19.538 --> 00:58:19.958
Jeremy: No.
00:58:20.558 --> 00:58:20.948
Emily: Fuck.
00:58:20.953 --> 00:58:22.088
I had that movie's on my list.
00:58:22.088 --> 00:58:23.228
They just went to the top.
00:58:23.798 --> 00:58:26.018
Jeremy: He just misunderstands.
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:27.029
Um.
00:58:27.399 --> 00:58:28.679
Emily: Oh, I see.
00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:32.069
Jeremy: I, I would not put that
movie at the top of the list.
00:58:32.609 --> 00:58:32.639
Emily: Okay.
00:58:33.389 --> 00:58:37.149
Jeremy: I mean, it's very, very B-Horror.
00:58:37.285 --> 00:58:42.803
You know, but it is also like,
that is a thing that happens in it.
00:58:42.812 --> 00:58:45.422
Emily: Jeremy, do I need to remind
you that how much I've been talking
00:58:45.422 --> 00:58:47.342
about and reading berserk recently?
00:58:47.742 --> 00:58:53.314
Jeremy: That is a movie that
introduces prostitutes as characters
00:58:53.344 --> 00:58:56.107
to get killed, Because you need
characters to die in a horror movie.
00:58:56.107 --> 00:58:57.787
So they introduce some prostitutes.
00:58:57.997 --> 00:58:58.357
Emily: Okay.
00:58:59.107 --> 00:59:00.277
So like demons?
00:59:00.677 --> 00:59:02.087
Jeremy: Not unlike demons.
00:59:02.087 --> 00:59:02.447
Yeah.
00:59:02.517 --> 00:59:03.007
Yeah.
00:59:03.107 --> 00:59:05.277
In, in that, in a very similar way.
00:59:05.277 --> 00:59:10.557
Emily: Anyway, so we talked about
yeah, there was the no, no, QIA a
00:59:10.587 --> 00:59:14.397
plus representation to be found unless
you count the fact that the straight
00:59:14.397 --> 00:59:15.837
people having sex are the worst.
00:59:16.287 --> 00:59:21.897
And then therefore by contrast, everyone
else is better, but that is a stretch
00:59:22.297 --> 00:59:24.337
that I think Ben would be proud of.
00:59:25.537 --> 00:59:25.717
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:59:25.717 --> 00:59:29.339
You did mention that there is a, a
guy who appears to be developmentally
00:59:29.344 --> 00:59:32.219
disabled, that they meet when
they're going down the elevator.
00:59:32.304 --> 00:59:37.164
He does seem to be in addition to
being developmentally disabled,
00:59:37.584 --> 00:59:39.744
A sociopath or a psychopath.
00:59:40.074 --> 00:59:42.054
Yeah, it does say that he
will kill people anyway.
00:59:42.121 --> 00:59:47.737
Even if, you know, he does get food, he's
uh, not beyond murdering people which
00:59:47.737 --> 00:59:50.377
is a questionable choice in this movie.
00:59:50.647 --> 00:59:51.337
Yeah.
00:59:51.907 --> 00:59:57.717
Emily: I mean, like, like if someone
who was not representing a minority
00:59:57.717 --> 00:59:59.547
would said something like that?
00:59:59.947 --> 01:00:05.207
There's a possibility that he's
just being real, but still he's,
01:00:05.207 --> 01:00:08.687
he's also representing a minority
in this film, which isn't great.
01:00:08.727 --> 01:00:08.927
Yeah.
01:00:09.017 --> 01:00:09.287
Yeah.
01:00:09.317 --> 01:00:16.390
So, you know, like, like again, a
stretch, but also, you know, bad move.
01:00:16.790 --> 01:00:20.040
Yeah, IMO, my humble opinion.
01:00:20.126 --> 01:00:20.606
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:00:21.176 --> 01:00:26.060
So I mean, that really, that wraps up as
far as the talking points here concerned,
01:00:26.060 --> 01:00:28.550
would you guys say that this is a, a
movie that people should check out?
01:00:28.950 --> 01:00:30.780
Emily: Under the right circumstances?
01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:31.380
Yes.
01:00:31.385 --> 01:00:31.620
Yeah.
01:00:31.930 --> 01:00:32.420
Yeah.
01:00:32.910 --> 01:00:36.510
I would say it's, it's like the, the
Darren Aronofsky stuff where you're
01:00:36.510 --> 01:00:38.910
like, okay, put on your seatbelt.
01:00:39.310 --> 01:00:39.490
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:00:39.490 --> 01:00:41.350
Emily: Keep your hands and
arms inside the vehicle.
01:00:41.560 --> 01:00:41.830
Jamie: Yeah.
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.780
Jeremy: It is unquestionably a good movie.
01:00:44.020 --> 01:00:46.210
Yes, it is a rough movie.
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:46.780
Yeah.
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.610
Jamie: I think it'll, I think it'll
sit with you and of course that's the
01:00:51.610 --> 01:00:57.310
point, but yes, I, I think it's worth
seeing, like, I don't regret seeing it.
01:00:57.710 --> 01:01:04.520
It did fuck me up for a very long time,
but I, I, I do not the experience.
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.290
Emily: Actually, I would
definitely recommend it if you
01:01:07.290 --> 01:01:10.200
have, if, if Hereditary fucked
you up and you want something to
01:01:10.200 --> 01:01:11.880
make Hereditary feel less bad-
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.080
Jeremy: Hereditary bothers
me more than this one.
01:01:14.140 --> 01:01:14.380
But.
01:01:14.770 --> 01:01:17.320
Emily: Well, Hereditary
bothers me, but at least with
01:01:17.325 --> 01:01:18.820
Hereditary, I can pick it apart.
01:01:19.220 --> 01:01:22.610
Like at least it's like, this is dumb
with demons and stuff and it did these
01:01:22.610 --> 01:01:24.290
bad things and I'm, I'm mad about it.
01:01:24.860 --> 01:01:26.720
This movie is like, yeah.
01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.230
Wow.
01:01:27.260 --> 01:01:27.830
Yeah.
01:01:27.950 --> 01:01:28.610
Wow.
01:01:29.010 --> 01:01:29.640
Yeah.
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.210
Yeah.
01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:30.680
Ow.
01:01:31.560 --> 01:01:31.600
Ow.
01:01:31.650 --> 01:01:31.813
Why
01:01:31.843 --> 01:01:33.313
Jamie: It's that gut punch for sure.
01:01:33.493 --> 01:01:34.003
Emily: Yeah.
01:01:34.423 --> 01:01:35.863
Like, oh, hold on.
01:01:35.923 --> 01:01:37.293
Jeremy: It's more of a gut stab.
01:01:37.663 --> 01:01:39.493
And then you gotta twist a knife and.
01:01:39.613 --> 01:01:42.583
Jamie: If you're feeling too
positive about the way things
01:01:42.583 --> 01:01:44.350
have been going watch this movie.
01:01:44.740 --> 01:01:47.380
Emily: Again, if you need to
talk to somebody about a movie.
01:01:47.780 --> 01:01:48.410
Hit us up.
01:01:48.830 --> 01:01:49.730
Hit me up on Twitter.
01:01:49.797 --> 01:01:52.970
You both, please, you know
how to get ahold of me.
01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:57.540
I'm saying I can be your bro and
help you talk about the movie.
01:01:58.165 --> 01:02:03.360
And either agree or disagree, or at least
help you be remind you that it is a movie.
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:06.600
And we can talk about the decisions
made in the story that was told.
01:02:06.600 --> 01:02:11.390
That is definitely not the very,
very real situation that we all
01:02:11.390 --> 01:02:14.750
have to deal with every day of
our lives that we don't opt into.
01:02:15.150 --> 01:02:16.050
I didn't absolutely.
01:02:16.450 --> 01:02:19.527
Jeremy: So, I mean, with that in
mind what do you guys recommend?
01:02:19.527 --> 01:02:21.070
What people check out this week?
01:02:21.121 --> 01:02:22.891
Jamie: There's a movie series called Cube.
01:02:23.261 --> 01:02:25.601
There's Cube, Hyper Cube,
and then Cube Three.
01:02:26.141 --> 01:02:29.861
Cube is also another
logic problem type movie.
01:02:29.949 --> 01:02:31.869
It takes place in a, in a box.
01:02:32.289 --> 01:02:38.509
There are six port holes on either
side, you can actually open the
01:02:38.514 --> 01:02:40.159
door and go to the next cube.
01:02:40.429 --> 01:02:41.329
There are traps.
01:02:41.569 --> 01:02:42.589
There are death traps.
01:02:42.589 --> 01:02:46.339
And, and so like, these people are put
in this cube and they have to figure out
01:02:46.339 --> 01:02:47.659
how to get through the traps and stuff.
01:02:47.659 --> 01:02:52.199
So it's essentially the same situation
where you have one environment and
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.869
the entire movie takes place in this
one environment and the way they film
01:02:54.869 --> 01:02:58.649
it, I think that the way they filmed
it, they had actually two cubes just
01:02:58.649 --> 01:03:03.029
cuz they had to shoot into to one or
the other for, for certain scenes.
01:03:03.269 --> 01:03:03.359
Right.
01:03:03.426 --> 01:03:04.790
But it's, it's a character piece.
01:03:04.795 --> 01:03:07.490
There's, they're eventually
six characters and it's how
01:03:07.490 --> 01:03:08.736
they interact with each other.
01:03:08.738 --> 01:03:11.588
But it's very similar in that.
01:03:11.618 --> 01:03:15.518
Like you don't necessarily know
who set up these cubes, you
01:03:15.523 --> 01:03:17.738
don't know anything beyond.
01:03:17.738 --> 01:03:18.668
The world outside.
01:03:18.668 --> 01:03:21.891
You don't know if this is like
a postapocalyptic kind of thing.
01:03:21.917 --> 01:03:25.067
So the first one I thought
was a really tight one.
01:03:25.307 --> 01:03:28.757
The second one sort of takes
a more sci-fi spin on it.
01:03:28.757 --> 01:03:33.237
And then the third one is kind
of like a prequel ish to kind
01:03:33.237 --> 01:03:34.407
of explain more of the world.
01:03:34.412 --> 01:03:37.117
And it's just, it has all
the things that I love.
01:03:37.207 --> 01:03:40.417
It has bureaucracy and hopelessness.
01:03:40.567 --> 01:03:41.677
Emily: You love bureaucracy??
01:03:41.737 --> 01:03:46.567
Jamie: And, and like things I like to
comment on like terrible BR bureaucracy.
01:03:46.867 --> 01:03:47.167
Yes.
01:03:47.172 --> 01:03:47.437
Okay.
01:03:47.437 --> 01:03:48.157
Jeremy: Death traps.
01:03:48.217 --> 01:03:48.867
Emily: Death traps!
01:03:48.867 --> 01:03:49.947
Jamie: Death traps, and death traps!
01:03:50.287 --> 01:03:51.187
Emily: And cubes!
01:03:51.247 --> 01:03:51.907
Jamie: And cubes.
01:03:51.912 --> 01:03:55.229
So, it's, it's more of
a personality study.
01:03:55.259 --> 01:03:59.109
So you can kind of separate yourself
from these characters, whereas like The
01:03:59.109 --> 01:04:01.719
Platform it's, it's a comment on society.
01:04:01.742 --> 01:04:06.557
The first cube movie, all the characters
are named after a prison in the US.
01:04:06.697 --> 01:04:06.867
Emily: Shit.
01:04:06.887 --> 01:04:10.337
Jamie: And so their, their
personalities reflect the prison,
01:04:10.397 --> 01:04:12.407
like what those prisons are known for.
01:04:12.451 --> 01:04:16.111
So it's a, it is a com it is sort of
like a that's cool social commentary on
01:04:16.116 --> 01:04:20.161
the prison system, but you have to dig
into, like, you had to watch, you had
01:04:20.161 --> 01:04:21.991
to read a IMDB to figure that shit out.
01:04:21.996 --> 01:04:22.511
Right.
01:04:22.621 --> 01:04:26.952
Unless you're like, you know, so it's,
it's lighter than this movie, but it, it
01:04:26.952 --> 01:04:32.512
has some of the same things in it that
I really appreciated about this one.
01:04:32.602 --> 01:04:34.732
So yeah, the cube series, right.
01:04:34.732 --> 01:04:35.662
First one's the best.
01:04:35.662 --> 01:04:38.672
The, the other two are not as
good, but you know, they're fun.
01:04:39.062 --> 01:04:42.782
Emily: The cube, the third
cube movie is Cube cubed right?
01:04:42.872 --> 01:04:43.772
Is that what they call it?
01:04:44.252 --> 01:04:45.662
Jamie: I think so?
01:04:45.842 --> 01:04:46.442
Emily: Okay.
01:04:46.482 --> 01:04:47.172
I making-.
01:04:47.172 --> 01:04:47.572
Jamie: I hope so.
01:04:47.825 --> 01:04:48.335
Emily: I don't remember.
01:04:48.340 --> 01:04:49.325
I remember hyper cube.
01:04:49.625 --> 01:04:51.635
Jamie: Hyper cube was
dumb, but it was fun.
01:04:53.315 --> 01:04:53.855
Emily: Essentially.
01:04:54.267 --> 01:04:57.027
If you really wanna think
about how we live in a society.
01:04:57.081 --> 01:05:01.851
But you want your, your, the grotesqueness
of that commentary to be a little bit
01:05:01.851 --> 01:05:04.921
more artsy and a little bit less real.
01:05:04.932 --> 01:05:09.072
There's a movie just came out on
Shudder called Mad God, and it's
01:05:09.072 --> 01:05:14.412
basically like we live in a society
and look at all these models.
01:05:14.645 --> 01:05:16.565
It is a visual feast.
01:05:16.965 --> 01:05:18.495
There is kind of a point.
01:05:20.071 --> 01:05:24.561
What it says about that society
is it's fucked and then what *I
01:05:24.681 --> 01:05:26.207
don't know* make art about it.
01:05:26.207 --> 01:05:26.837
That's cool.
01:05:26.867 --> 01:05:29.237
I mean, that's not the, the
message, that's just what happened
01:05:29.327 --> 01:05:30.467
to make this movie happen.
01:05:30.667 --> 01:05:33.816
, It's really cool though, if you're
a fan of monsters and if you're fan
01:05:33.936 --> 01:05:39.576
like of, of imagery and vibe and, and
just like crazy prop work and weird
01:05:39.906 --> 01:05:43.236
hallucinatory, symbolic storytelling.
01:05:43.326 --> 01:05:44.026
Jamie: You're like me?!
01:05:44.026 --> 01:05:44.824
Emily: I would recommend it.
01:05:44.829 --> 01:05:46.624
It's definitely don't do drugs to it.
01:05:46.624 --> 01:05:47.494
It's too much.
01:05:47.704 --> 01:05:49.234
you don't need drugs for this movie.
01:05:49.488 --> 01:05:54.468
Just watch it, just watch it and be like
that sure was a lot of stuff they pulled
01:05:54.468 --> 01:05:57.718
out of that guy who is sort of Claymation.
01:05:58.288 --> 01:05:58.468
Jamie: Yeah.
01:05:58.468 --> 01:06:02.848
I'm looking at some of the, the images
on the, on the internet right now.
01:06:02.848 --> 01:06:04.498
It looks, it looks amazing.
01:06:04.648 --> 01:06:05.098
Emily: I mean the-.
01:06:05.098 --> 01:06:05.758
Jeremy: Good things-.
01:06:05.968 --> 01:06:08.158
Emily: Visually it is fantastic.
01:06:08.216 --> 01:06:13.001
Narratively I mean, it's what
I like which is question mark.
01:06:13.421 --> 01:06:13.811
But,
01:06:13.899 --> 01:06:16.749
Jeremy: um, I feel like if you've listened
to this podcast, you know, now, right?
01:06:16.749 --> 01:06:17.289
Emily: Yes.
01:06:19.528 --> 01:06:23.210
I mean, I like things that make sense
too, but the, this is one of those
01:06:23.210 --> 01:06:27.940
things where I feel like it's so weird
that it speaks directly to me and that
01:06:27.940 --> 01:06:30.100
I can whisper back to it in my dreams.
01:06:30.105 --> 01:06:33.670
And we can have a conversation
ourselves that nobody else is privy to.
01:06:34.300 --> 01:06:39.005
And that is why I love
this movie in my own way.
01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:42.930
And uh, we can have our own
hyper cube and live there.
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:45.290
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:06:45.310 --> 01:06:48.520
And as for me, I was a little divided
on what to recommend on this, because
01:06:48.520 --> 01:06:54.520
there's things that like, I feel
like, yeah, more like this also after
01:06:54.520 --> 01:06:56.180
this, I need something a lot lighter.
01:06:56.249 --> 01:06:59.601
So like on the front of, if you
want more things like this can
01:06:59.601 --> 01:07:01.331
I introduce you to Bong Joon-ho?
01:07:01.429 --> 01:07:02.059
Emily: There you go.
01:07:02.149 --> 01:07:02.599
Yeah!
01:07:02.659 --> 01:07:08.404
Jeremy: Both Snowpiercer is very much
like this and that it is a weirdly
01:07:08.404 --> 01:07:12.596
on the nose metaphor for humans
that like deals with the same kind
01:07:12.596 --> 01:07:14.036
of stuff, including cannibalism.
01:07:14.306 --> 01:07:14.442
Jamie: Mm-hmm.
01:07:14.442 --> 01:07:18.686
Jeremy: And Parasite is the much
more like real world version of this.
01:07:18.765 --> 01:07:19.305
Jamie: Oh God.
01:07:19.305 --> 01:07:19.695
Yeah.
01:07:19.905 --> 01:07:26.025
Jeremy: Parasite is like this
what if this were more hopeless?
01:07:27.395 --> 01:07:30.705
You know, what if, what if we didn't
have the fun sci-fi element here?
01:07:30.795 --> 01:07:31.215
Jamie: Yes.
01:07:31.235 --> 01:07:31.655
Yes.
01:07:31.660 --> 01:07:32.355
Oh God.
01:07:32.535 --> 01:07:32.775
Oh.
01:07:33.225 --> 01:07:36.675
Emily: The fun sci-fi element
of a platform that moves
01:07:36.680 --> 01:07:38.235
without any discernible
01:07:38.415 --> 01:07:38.715
Jamie: yeah
01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:39.455
Emily: propulsion.
01:07:40.725 --> 01:07:43.365
That is the fun sci-fi
element of this movie.
01:07:43.365 --> 01:07:44.655
Jamie: That's the sci-fi yeah!
01:07:45.615 --> 01:07:46.665
Emily: There are ghosts.
01:07:47.115 --> 01:07:49.125
Jeremy: It has a, it has
a weird high concept.
01:07:49.205 --> 01:07:52.015
But if, if you want something that is.
01:07:52.415 --> 01:07:56.435
Also weirdly on the nose metaphor,
but is a little more fun.
01:07:56.435 --> 01:07:59.727
You'll come away a little bit happier
after seeing go, watch They Live.
01:08:05.547 --> 01:08:09.741
Weirdly on the nose metaphor
that is pulled off in the, the
01:08:09.741 --> 01:08:11.631
most John Carpenter of ways.
01:08:12.088 --> 01:08:14.098
it is so much of what it is.
01:08:14.308 --> 01:08:17.518
It stars, Keith David and Rowdy
Roddy Piper in the main roles.
01:08:17.518 --> 01:08:19.138
Jamie: That's all you fucking need, man.
01:08:19.858 --> 01:08:20.218
Emily: Oh my God.
01:08:20.338 --> 01:08:23.698
Jeremy: And it's about a cool, magical
pair of sunglasses that let you see
01:08:23.698 --> 01:08:25.378
capitalism for what it really is.
01:08:25.389 --> 01:08:25.689
Yeah.
01:08:25.929 --> 01:08:27.699
We've gotta cover that
movie on here at some point.
01:08:27.699 --> 01:08:28.609
I Fucking love.
01:08:28.609 --> 01:08:28.969
They Live.
01:08:28.969 --> 01:08:29.919
Jamie: It's so, good.
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:34.076
Emily: That movie is like, you
know how in the Simpsons, Mr.
01:08:34.081 --> 01:08:37.926
Burns can't afford Steven Spielberg.
01:08:38.016 --> 01:08:41.646
So he gets like the closest
equivalent to steal Steven Spielberg.
01:08:42.216 --> 01:08:47.586
This movie is like, if that, to John
Carpenter and John Carpenter work
01:08:47.586 --> 01:08:52.776
together on a movie, like, he, it
was like Multiplicity or whatever,
01:08:52.776 --> 01:08:55.046
but it was the, like the dumb clone?
01:08:56.526 --> 01:09:01.366
Jeremy: They Live feels like somebody was
writing a script and they put on a lot
01:09:01.366 --> 01:09:05.236
of things that are like, I'll go back and
change this to something better later.
01:09:05.566 --> 01:09:06.736
And then they never did.
01:09:07.176 --> 01:09:07.576
Emily: Yeah!
01:09:08.536 --> 01:09:09.946
Jamie: Let it ride, let it ride funny.
01:09:10.056 --> 01:09:10.296
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:09:10.306 --> 01:09:10.636
Yeah.
01:09:10.936 --> 01:09:16.246
And it, what, what results is a movie
that like I saw when I was eight and
01:09:16.251 --> 01:09:21.136
like just got its hook in my brain and
stayed there for the rest of my life.
01:09:21.496 --> 01:09:23.866
Emily: I mean, it got its hook
in Shepard Fairey's brain.
01:09:23.866 --> 01:09:25.576
Let me be real about that.
01:09:25.576 --> 01:09:29.636
Like if it, without, without that
movie, we would not have Shepard Fairey.
01:09:30.256 --> 01:09:34.186
Jeremy: Also has a really
unnecessarily long alley fight scene.
01:09:34.195 --> 01:09:37.868
Which I, I feel like you can just find
on YouTube, if you just wanna see.
01:09:38.268 --> 01:09:41.688
Rowdy Roddy Piper and Keith
Lee, or Keith David fight in
01:09:41.688 --> 01:09:43.558
an alley for about 10 minutes.
01:09:43.958 --> 01:09:46.148
Emily: That movie is worth
it just for Keith David.
01:09:46.548 --> 01:09:47.898
Like just watch it for Keith David.
01:09:47.903 --> 01:09:50.718
Cause I was like, I, I didn't
realize it was him until like
01:09:50.718 --> 01:09:51.858
halfway through the movie.
01:09:51.998 --> 01:09:54.168
Jeremy: I'd watch it for Roddy Piper too.
01:09:54.173 --> 01:09:57.768
Cause his- Roddy Piper acts a lot.
01:10:00.018 --> 01:10:01.038
He's not the best actor.
01:10:01.038 --> 01:10:02.718
He is maybe the most actor.
01:10:05.728 --> 01:10:07.338
He's he really comes.
01:10:07.458 --> 01:10:09.558
He really comes from that
wrestling background.
01:10:09.563 --> 01:10:12.788
Like you can really feel it in
the way he delivers everything.
01:10:14.898 --> 01:10:16.425
I, for one love it.
01:10:16.468 --> 01:10:20.338
Emily: I feel like he's delivering
every line about like half a second
01:10:20.668 --> 01:10:25.928
on the wrong like just a half
a second too soon or too late.
01:10:25.945 --> 01:10:26.435
Like.
01:10:26.915 --> 01:10:29.105
Jeremy: There's this movie
unexpected level of excitement.
01:10:29.435 --> 01:10:29.915
Emily: Yeah.
01:10:30.185 --> 01:10:32.555
Like a completely inappropriate delivery.
01:10:32.645 --> 01:10:38.945
Like , you know, he, he wants to
be fucking Snake Plissken so hard.
01:10:38.950 --> 01:10:43.905
And then, you know, but he
he's just like, I got gun.
01:10:46.065 --> 01:10:47.205
Alien's bad.
01:10:47.595 --> 01:10:48.735
Jamie: I came here.
01:10:49.135 --> 01:10:49.765
Emily: What's that?
01:10:50.165 --> 01:10:52.235
That was in shit before that movie, right?
01:10:52.685 --> 01:10:54.875
Jamie: No, that was, that was that movie.
01:10:55.275 --> 01:10:56.085
Emily: No!
01:10:56.145 --> 01:10:59.205
Jamie: I came here to chew
bubble gum and to kick ass.
01:10:59.445 --> 01:10:59.775
Emily: Yeah.
01:10:59.775 --> 01:11:01.485
That's from that fucking movie?!
01:11:02.021 --> 01:11:06.491
Rowdy Roddy Piper: I have come here
to chew bubble gum and kick ass,
01:11:10.031 --> 01:11:11.671
and I'm all outta bubble gum.
01:11:11.801 --> 01:11:12.151
Oh.
01:11:13.818 --> 01:11:15.288
Jamie: And I'm all out of bubble gum.
01:11:15.378 --> 01:11:15.658
Emily: Yep.
01:11:15.658 --> 01:11:17.218
Jamie: That's where I've
always known it from.
01:11:17.258 --> 01:11:17.748
Emily: Okay.
01:11:17.778 --> 01:11:18.268
Okay.
01:11:18.273 --> 01:11:22.288
I mean, like it's such a line and
I'm like, does that really come from?
01:11:22.288 --> 01:11:22.888
They Live?
01:11:23.288 --> 01:11:27.438
Like, I need to see the, I need
to see the family tree of this.
01:11:28.718 --> 01:11:31.238
Where's the missing is, is
where's the missing link.
01:11:31.238 --> 01:11:33.718
There's gotta be a
missing link man before,
01:11:33.718 --> 01:11:36.385
Jeremy: Saskatoon Canada's
own Rowdy Roddy Piper.
01:11:36.795 --> 01:11:37.945
Jamie: Saskatoon!
01:11:38.215 --> 01:11:39.385
Emily: Saskatoon motherfucker!
01:11:40.032 --> 01:11:40.992
Jeremy: We miss you Rowdy.
01:11:41.112 --> 01:11:42.072
Gone too soon.
01:11:42.342 --> 01:11:42.772
Yeah.
01:11:42.841 --> 01:11:43.291
Yeah.
01:11:43.348 --> 01:11:44.548
Yeah, watch They Live guys.
01:11:44.615 --> 01:11:44.812
Good.
01:11:44.812 --> 01:11:47.902
Before we, before we wrap up uh,
Jamie, can you uh, remind people
01:11:47.902 --> 01:11:51.252
where they can find uh, more about
you in, in your work and all of.
01:11:51.757 --> 01:11:55.150
All of the uh, images you're
doing in our characters as
01:11:55.170 --> 01:11:56.610
various power Rangers right now.
01:11:56.722 --> 01:11:58.659
Jamie: So, you can find me on Spotify.
01:11:58.659 --> 01:12:02.889
I just released a new single,
which is about eating sushi.
01:12:02.923 --> 01:12:04.363
Instagram, Jamie Noguchi.
01:12:04.423 --> 01:12:05.983
Twitter, angry Zen master.
01:12:06.223 --> 01:12:09.603
If, yeah, you're hearing this in
the month of September I do this art
01:12:09.603 --> 01:12:15.483
challenge called Toku timber, where I draw
tributes to super sentai and kamen rider
01:12:15.753 --> 01:12:17.143
and Kaiju and all that kind of stuff.
01:12:17.143 --> 01:12:21.307
This, this year I'm drawing all
of the characters from school for
01:12:21.307 --> 01:12:26.783
extraterrestrial girls wearing like all
the sixth ranger costumes as like fashion.
01:12:26.803 --> 01:12:26.893
Good.
01:12:27.673 --> 01:12:28.343
So, yeah.
01:12:28.353 --> 01:12:29.343
So follow me on Twitter.
01:12:29.348 --> 01:12:30.813
I'm I'm posting most of those on Twitter.
01:12:31.213 --> 01:12:31.663
Jeremy: Nice.
01:12:32.233 --> 01:12:35.203
Yeah, I think uh, when this
comes out, it'll actually be just
01:12:35.203 --> 01:12:36.883
the beginning of October, so.
01:12:36.913 --> 01:12:37.123
Jamie: Okay.
01:12:37.123 --> 01:12:38.113
Well, never mind.
01:12:38.413 --> 01:12:40.093
Jeremy: Well, you can, you'll
be able to see all of them.
01:12:40.098 --> 01:12:41.023
You can just go enjoy 'em.
01:12:41.023 --> 01:12:41.503
All right.
01:12:41.508 --> 01:12:43.003
Now they'll all be there already.
01:12:43.008 --> 01:12:45.572
Jamie: You can see 'em uh, if
I've done enough of them, I'm
01:12:45.572 --> 01:12:47.732
gonna probably do like a, a video.
01:12:47.732 --> 01:12:49.352
That's a super cut of all of them.
01:12:49.352 --> 01:12:51.451
And then maybe that's my plan.
01:12:51.481 --> 01:12:52.501
If I can get through 'em all.
01:12:52.901 --> 01:12:53.681
Jeremy: Fantastic.
01:12:53.741 --> 01:12:55.631
Well, I, I, I know I'm enjoying 'em.
01:12:55.691 --> 01:12:56.591
I look forward to 'em.
01:12:56.716 --> 01:12:59.716
As for the rest of us, you can
find Emily at mega moth on Twitter
01:12:59.716 --> 01:13:02.896
and at mega underscore moth on
Instagram and at megamoth.net.
01:13:03.256 --> 01:13:07.056
Ben is not here, but you can still get
ahold of them at Ben the Kahn and on
01:13:07.056 --> 01:13:10.546
their website benkahncomics.com, where
you can pick up all of their books.
01:13:10.633 --> 01:13:12.223
Emily, you had something.
01:13:12.583 --> 01:13:15.133
Emily: No, I was just looking
at the trails for my camera,
01:13:15.133 --> 01:13:16.613
cause I can't lights on.
01:13:17.690 --> 01:13:18.070
Sorry.
01:13:20.730 --> 01:13:24.777
Y'all I got an emergency alert from
uh, the government of California
01:13:24.777 --> 01:13:28.467
telling us we have to turn our lights
off because it's 118 degrees outside.
01:13:29.747 --> 01:13:30.237
Jamie: Lord.
01:13:30.717 --> 01:13:31.347
Oh.
01:13:31.617 --> 01:13:34.237
Emily: Only eat what you can eat.
01:13:38.937 --> 01:13:39.327
Jamie: Fuck.
01:13:40.047 --> 01:13:43.677
Jeremy: And finally, for me, you
could find me on Twitter and Instagram
01:13:43.677 --> 01:13:47.337
at JROME five eight on my website
at jeremywhitley.com, where you
01:13:47.337 --> 01:13:48.597
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01:13:48.747 --> 01:13:50.487
And of course the podcast is on it.
01:13:50.492 --> 01:13:54.477
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01:13:54.777 --> 01:13:57.937
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01:13:57.937 --> 01:14:00.921
Come, come tell us where that
quote is actually from if
01:14:00.921 --> 01:14:02.361
we've gotten it wrong and-.
01:14:02.391 --> 01:14:02.511
Emily: Please.
01:14:02.511 --> 01:14:04.911
Jeremy: Come talk to Emily about
all the movies that traumatize you.
01:14:05.471 --> 01:14:05.591
Emily: Yes.
01:14:05.991 --> 01:14:08.047
Jeremy: And also wherever you're
listening to this, we would love it.
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If you'd give us a five star review,
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01:14:11.857 --> 01:14:14.707
More people can hear about this,
uh, podcast we can get out there.
01:14:15.157 --> 01:14:17.467
Uh, Thank you again to
Jamie for joining us.
01:14:17.557 --> 01:14:18.937
It was a ball as always.
01:14:18.942 --> 01:14:19.747
Jamie: Thanks for having me.
01:14:19.747 --> 01:14:20.497
Emily: Thank you, Jamie.
01:14:20.497 --> 01:14:21.757
It's always yes.
01:14:21.762 --> 01:14:22.687
What Jeremy said.
01:14:22.956 --> 01:14:26.836
Jeremy: And this was our, this is
our last episode when it's coming
01:14:26.836 --> 01:14:29.146
out of Hispanic heritage month.
01:14:29.386 --> 01:14:34.366
It's also our first episode of scary
movie month where we'll be talking
01:14:34.366 --> 01:14:37.516
about sci-fi movies all October.
01:14:37.726 --> 01:14:40.126
So, uh, you know, come back next time.
01:14:40.126 --> 01:14:42.481
We're talking about Event Horizon.
01:14:42.661 --> 01:14:44.131
We're talking about Prometheus.
01:14:44.581 --> 01:14:48.421
We're talking about speaking
of John Carpenter, The Thing.
01:14:48.901 --> 01:14:52.021
So about the time we
finally got to that movie.
01:14:52.181 --> 01:14:52.831
Emily: For real.
01:14:53.231 --> 01:14:54.371
Jeremy: It's gonna be a ball.
01:14:54.551 --> 01:14:55.931
October's gonna be great.
01:14:56.231 --> 01:15:01.166
And then in uh, November, we have
some really troubling things planned.
01:15:01.268 --> 01:15:02.188
Emily: Don't say that.
01:15:02.908 --> 01:15:03.548
Don't say that!
01:15:03.658 --> 01:15:07.768
Jeremy: Well, it's it's
"Crow-vember" we're gonna be,
01:15:07.773 --> 01:15:09.102
we're gonna be watching some the
01:15:09.102 --> 01:15:12.742
Emily: Crow, it's all the
Crow, movies, all the Crow.
01:15:12.742 --> 01:15:15.982
Jeremy: Movies, all the, all our movies.
01:15:16.025 --> 01:15:16.855
Emily: The "crow"nenberg movies.
01:15:16.871 --> 01:15:17.081
Yeah.
01:15:17.081 --> 01:15:21.041
I would not subject anyone to
anything, but the first Crow
01:15:21.041 --> 01:15:22.961
movie, which is a perfect film.
01:15:23.261 --> 01:15:25.961
Jeremy: And I, we're not gonna watch
someone with David Boreanaz is the devil?
01:15:25.979 --> 01:15:28.899
Jamie: I think Jordanna Brewster
is in one of those Jordanna
01:15:28.899 --> 01:15:30.639
Brewster a fast and furious fame.
01:15:31.059 --> 01:15:31.569
Emily: I...
01:15:31.989 --> 01:15:33.159
Jeremy: I think I'm in one of those
01:15:33.759 --> 01:15:35.259
Emily: I might as well be in one of those.
01:15:35.659 --> 01:15:38.299
I will edit, I will find every
copy and edit myself being
01:15:38.299 --> 01:15:40.799
like, stop don't do this.
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.999
Why, but due respect
to the actors involved.
01:15:46.329 --> 01:15:46.779
Jeremy: Yes.
01:15:47.075 --> 01:15:49.715
Emily: Maybe, I mean, unless
they're racist, then I'm like, mm.
01:15:52.015 --> 01:15:52.505
Jeremy: Okay.
01:15:54.225 --> 01:15:54.885
All right.
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:59.110
Thanks again for everybody listening
until next time stay horrified.
01:15:59.510 --> 01:16:00.350
Emily: And cool!
01:16:01.670 --> 01:16:02.270
Jeremy: Stay cool.
01:16:02.330 --> 01:16:02.750
Yeah.
01:16:03.428 --> 01:16:05.738
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