MacBook Pro PROLED Hands-On, Your Apple Watch is Listening, Siri AI Gets Superpowers

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Everyone is listening to you. Welcome to
Primary Technology,

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the show about the tech news that matters.

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Huge show this week. We have the MacBook
Pro with ProLit display in hand.

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Me and Jason have that, plus the iPad
mini.

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I've been running audio intelligence on my
Apple Watch and getting Siri recaps

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of every conversation. Have a ton of
thoughts on that.

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Plus, we have a lightning round with a ton
of news like DoorDash acquiring Instacart.

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Siri AI is going to get way more powerful
and a ton more.

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This episode is brought to you by Ramp,

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SERP API, Coax, and you, the members who
support us directly.

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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,

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joined by my award-winning co-host.

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That's the last time I'll say it,

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I promise. Jason HN. How's it going,

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Jason? uh

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You can keep saying it. I don't mind.

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I'm fine with that.

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I changed the quote. I'm asking you right
now because you were ragging on me that

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I always forget the quote. So the actual
quote is everybody's watching you,

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which is a is a little generic.

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Uh it might be hard to

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Together, but I thought with audio
intelligence,

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I said everybody's listening to you.

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Do you have any idea? Well, I might have
used this movie before.

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Any idea what movie that might be for?

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It's the Truman show. It's the Truman show
with Jim Carrey.

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And so, you know, I I just thought I
thought it was applicable.

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Anyway, uh, people were saying my opening
quote last week was uh unhinged.

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She can't not touch it. She's got to touch
it from the lost world.

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But listen, we have listen MacBook Pro
with ProLead.

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Let me touch the screen so you can see.

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This is for real.

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It's really not impressive

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when you touch it and there's nothing on
your screen.

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But look, you can see the selection of the
thing.

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That's

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the most exciting part about the MacBook
Pro is that you can touch selections.

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It's very exciting. And you can swipe

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down for Siri AI. I have thoughts about
that in spotlight.

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So anyway, we're gonna get to the MacBook
Pro.

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All of that. I have to say, unfortunately,

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people keep agreeing with Jason about what
hand they use their phone in,

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which is it's very troubling.

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It's just because

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that's normal. That is just the default.

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I don't wanna argue I'm Yeah,

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Somebody tried to came in on a YouTube sh
thing and is like,

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yeah.

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No,

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no, no, no, no Jason doesn't know what
he's talking about.

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That everyone does it this way.

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I'm like, did you read all of the
comments?

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'Cause yours is the only

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Some of them

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one.

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let me do the shout out. CJ Webb from the
USA.

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Thank you for the five-star rating review
now podcast.

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He's right-handed, holds the iPhone duo,

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the first foldable same, in the right
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places into right pocket with cameras
facing my butt.

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So camera bump does not get caught.

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Okay, so but that's on my side.

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Right hand, right pocket. Ryan Boulac from
the USA thought he was literally the only

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one that was right-handed and held their
phone in their left and their left pocket.

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So that was point to you. Never puts their
phone in the right pocket.

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And then DJ Skyhawk.

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so been listening for the last few months.

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Thank you for listening. Right hand
pocket,

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right hand usage, if not both hands.

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So there's been a couple. They're starting
to come out of the woodwork and come over

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to my side if they're right hand.

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I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

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Jake Kempster Jr. from the USA,

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battery percentage on right-handed,

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but use iPhone with the left hand.

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That was point for you and left pocket.

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So we're still split down the middle.

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Owed seven twelve. uh

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No no no. We're not split down the middle.

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I just wanna be clear. We are split so far
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I just wanna be

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honest.

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Like left

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handed. Yeah, owned seven two from the
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Battery percentage on long time listener.

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Thank you for that. And then a couple
YouTube comments.

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Future now on YouTube. Listening in the
car from Overcast,

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but I had to leave a comment to say I
carry my iPhone in my right pocket

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and use it mostly in my right hand.

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Thank you for being safe and doing it out
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but another point for me. Apple I lovable,

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love the show. just want you know I am
left handed and I hold my phone in my left

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hand, but I do all my scrolling with my
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So yeah, maybe both.

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Scrolling one or the other. Anyway,

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and finally, Connor on YouTube,

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fully on Steven's side, right handed,

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and use my phone in my right hand.

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I think we're split.

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Yes.

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I think we're split.

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Did you want to read all of the ones from
last week again?

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Anyway, let's move on.

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Okay.

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let's move on because we have a lot to we
have a lot to talk about.

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Let's start with the iPad mini and then
we'll go to the ProLed MacBook

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Pro and then Audio Intelligence.

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Published my iPad mini review early this
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Jason also published his article.

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And why don't you why don't you start,

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Jason? Why don't you start? Because I want
to hear your thoughts.

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We've not talked about any of this stuff
until right now.

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About the Mac Mini. that's what I'm sorry.

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About the iPad mini. I do I do have I d
did you listen to the MacPower users from

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Yep. Well, sorry. I'm so confused.

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this past Sunday, by the way?

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Yes.

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Did you hear me buy a Mac literally on the
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Yes. Also,

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that was the most convoluted thing.

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Like you did you could have just said you
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we would have all believed you.

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It's fine. You wanted to show but

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I wanted to show I wanted to show the the
receipts.

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not redox yourself. But show this and then
not do this.

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Yeah. I showed the

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It's like, hang on, I'll

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be back, guys. I gotta use clean shot X
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No,

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but it will say I I did anyway,

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I bought a M6 Mac Mini live on the show at
Mac Power Users last week.

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It's about time.

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Anyway, I'm excited about that.

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All right, but tell

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Okay.

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me, you've had the i the iPad mini.

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What are your thoughts? Tell me about it.

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main takeaway is that,

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you know, I always try to think about like
w who is a product for?

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Like, right? What does a product exist
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What why did Apple make this product?

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And when you think about the other iPads,

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the iPad Pro is for people who want like
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the highest performance, you get the
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The base
iPad is basically for parents that want

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to hand something to their kids to watch
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all that stuff, right?

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I think the iPad Mini is the best iPad for
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Like, seriously, that is like why

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Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah.

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this product exists is for people who just
want that small form factor.

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And I think it's fantastic that it's
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it has a larger display while being the
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overall size. The OLED display is very,

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very nice. I'd be interested to

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hear if it even bothers you that it's only
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because I don't think it matters at all,

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like even a tiny bit.

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It gets Apple Pencil Pro support,

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which is really nice because I think the
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second gen app.

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I actually had I had took down my entire
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I had two errors. One was the last
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Pencil, the Gen 7. The iPad Mini that was
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Apple Pencil Pro, you mean? Yeah.

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excuse me,

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yes. The previous gen iPad Mini,

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which looks exactly the same as the 7th
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The 6th gen did not support it.

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Which is the one that I have, so that's
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Okay. Gotcha.

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Exactly.

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And so anyway, I think it's great.

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I think it's delightful. I really,

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really like it. Um, I can't I mean,

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I haven't used my iPad Pro very much since
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is still better on the iPad Pro for sure.

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Like it is incredible.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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And but the five versus the A twenty pro,

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very, very few things that you

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need an five.

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over an A twenty pro that you're going to
use in an iPad.

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Let's be honest, right?

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Yeah, well, and even is so in my review,

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I'll link it below. I I also love it.

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the OLAD display is beautiful.

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You know, if you're an iPad mini person,

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like and haven't updated it in a couple of
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man, it's great. You know, pilots love it,

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all that kind of stuff. I did do one test
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how is the refresh rate or the
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the speed performance.

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And so I did a transcription test where I
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to my M5 iPad Pro, I used my own app
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which uses the on device Apple
intelligence model.

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So I knew it was happening on device.

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But honestly, the iPad Mini A twenty
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which was pretty shocking. But it makes
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Like it's I think the A twenty is based on
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right? Because it's a two nanometer.

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Yeah, I mean I'm I think that's probably
Juliet twenty

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pro. Yeah.

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it obviously beat the old iPad mini,

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but performance is great. And again,

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you're not using an iPad mini probably for
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You're not gonna be editing videos on the
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although you could. Maybe you're doing
photo editing,

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but performance is great. I agree about
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Now, listen, I'm a promotion lover.

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I love promotion. And I like it on my iPad
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especially for you know editing podcasts
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On the iPad mini size screen, I don't
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noticeable or a big deal. I know a lot of
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even MKBHD, was like, this is crazy that
they didn't do a 120 hertz display.

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But I I really don't know what use case
someone would have day in

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and day out where promotion would be that
noticeable on the smaller screen

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and in whatever use case. If you want the
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if you're a pilot, if you love reading on
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like all of those things don't really
benefit from the promotion.

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I don't I'm not trying to glaze Apple,

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I'm not trying to make an excuse for it.

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Just in my use, you know

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The jelly scrolling was a bigger problem,

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and that has been solved from like iPad
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one side of the screen would not refresh
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So you kind of get this like wave effect
if you were scrolling quickly.

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That's all fixed. And I feel like the 60
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I would it be nice to have one twenty
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Absolutely. You have it on the iPhone duo
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which is we should talk about duo versus
mini in a second.

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I think it's fine.

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The one thing I wasn't crazy about,

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how did you think it sounded compared to
the last iPad minute?

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I mean honestly, my AirPods sound the same
when I plug in.

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I didn't ru I didn't do like a test of the
speakers.

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You didn't do test. Okay.

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So the one thing is this is an acoustic
display,

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and there's very tiny slits at the top and
bottom edge of the iPad mini,

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the new one, for the speakers.

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And it is facing you, which is nice.

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The sound is coming directly towards you.

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But I found it's a little muffled at high
volumes compared to the previous gen iPad

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Mini that has literal holes for the
speakers,

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Yeah.

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which

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Again, physics you can't y you can't argue
with physics.

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And when you have a bunch of holes letting
the sound come out of the device,

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I think you're just gonna get a better
sound than the actual small slits.

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And so that was yeah.

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Do you think it's

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worth getting the I dropped it in the pool
piece of mind?

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Well, and that's weird too, like the
iPhone has been IP sixty eight

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and you can dunk it in the water for
minutes at a time and it's fine.

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And it has a bunch of speaker holes.

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Yeah.

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And

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I don't understand why the iPad mini could
not.

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But I think for the use case again,

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while movies and stuff look great on the
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'cause it has this beautiful OLED display,

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you're probably not using it for like your
entertainment device with the built

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in speakers. If you're using iPad mini
it's probably 'cause you're on a plane.

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And you put it on the tray table or
whatever,

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and you're using AirPods with it.

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You're at

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Right.

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outside or whatever. So I don't think it's
a huge deal.

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I just do find it, it gets louder than the
older iPad mini,

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oddly. Uh, but at those higher volumes,

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especially if you're listening to
something very bassy,

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the screen kind of vibrates a little bit
because it's coming through the screen,

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basically. So that's just a trade-off.

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But overall, if you love iPad mini,

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like this is the one again, like it's the
best iPad mini ever,

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obviously.

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The screen is incredible. But the big
question is for me,

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I have a little iPad mini in my pocket now
at all times.

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And I would st I don't know I I don't have
room in my life for both devices.

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The iPad mini.

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For the pro and the mini.

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For the iP well, for the iPad mini and the
iPhone Duo.

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, because I use the iPhone Duo m I
mean I've been using it a lot.

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I love it. I did my full post my full
review last weekend and I do

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a lot of stuff on here with the screen
open.

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If I really wanted to edit a podcast in a
pinch with the Apple Pencil,

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I'd do it on my iPhone Duo. And for my
iPad use,

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which is I like building shortcuts on the
iPad and using windowing and you know,

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maybe remoting into my Mac or whatever,

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which I do for my duo as well.

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But I think my life is big iPad with magic
keyboard and then iPhone

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Duo. And then we'll see if the ProLed
MacBook Pro dis dismounts the iPad Pro.

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in the portable computing category.

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But and this was my thesis in the video.

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If you're trying to decide between iPhone
Duo and iPhone 18 Pro and iPad mini,

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which is almost the exact same price if
you get 256 gigs of everything,

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$2,000 gets you an 18 Pro and an iPad mini
with OLED or uh iPhone Duo.

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Same $2,000. My theory is if you're a
heavy Apple pencil user,

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like you take

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notes on the iPad, you like drawing on it,

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you do whatever on the iPad all the time.

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You love the pencil on the iPad.

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I think you should go iPad Mini over
iPhone Duo because the pencil experience

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is better on the iPad Mini. You get the
wireless charging,

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the wireless pairing, you have Apple
Pencil Pro,

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which has like the squeeze and haptic and
all of that.

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And the Apple Pencil experience on the
iPhone Duo,

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while really fun, is a little more
cumbersome because if it ever gets

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unpaired,

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You gotta find a USB C cable to connect it
to your iPhone Duo to repair it.

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And if you wanna charge that pencil,

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you gotta have a cable. It's a little
thing,

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not a huge deal, but I think if you're a
heavy Apple pencil user,

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OLED iPad Mini is the way to go.

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And if you want a little iPad mini in your
pocket and you're not that big of a pencil

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user, then iPhone Duo maybe. That was my
thought.

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Hmm. The one exception I would say is that
the nice thing about the iPad Mini is that

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I love it, but I could also hand it to my
kid to do something,

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and I would never do that with the iPhone
Duo.

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Sure.

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Never

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gonna hand over my phone and be like,

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here, put your greasy fingers on this and
watch you know,

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Disney Plus for a while.

335
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Sure, but I would say like again,

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this is a expensive iPad. You know,

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it starts at seven hundred dollars.

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Did you get a nanotexture one?

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No, and I'm I'm I'm glad that I didn't.

340
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I did not either, and I like the glossy
iPad mini.

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I typically, while I still like
nanotexture in some places,

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I still like glossy, and we'll get to the
ProLED MacBook Pro in a second.

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I think if you were gonna go like if this
is your outside device,

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your beach, your pool, your patio,

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you know, get the nanotexture and you're
gonna have an incredible,

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you're gonna love your experience with the
mini.

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but for me, I I like the glossy,

348
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and again, it is more expensive with the
nanotexture.

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You're another hundred dollars.

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So this quick and you can only get it on
the two fifty six version.

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So you're very

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No, the five

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twelve version. Right?

354
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The five twelve is the unbend dual neural
engine.

355
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Okay, so

356
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You

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you just have to upgrade to the second
tier to get the nanotexture.

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Correct.

359
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Which is insane. Makes no sense.

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Makes it makes no sense. Let's just be
real.

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You gotta have that storage

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in order to mi you know, take care of all
that nanotexture.

363
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I d I listen, I don't get it. But if you
get the nanotexture and I just confirmed

364
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on Apple's website, it can be the two
fifty six version.

365
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You you're ver after tax, you're at a
thousand dollars.

366
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This is a thousand dollar iPad.

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And what I've said in my video,

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like this is a luxury iPad. And if you got
the funds and you want a luxury iPad,

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go all out. Get the cellular, get the five
twelve.

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This is an awesome iPad. Uh, it is just
also expensive,

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Yeah, it it just doesn't

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and I think

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make any sense though. That is the part
'cause I put it's delightfully confusing.

374
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That's my headline.

375
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't understand how this can possibly
be more expensive than an iPad Air.

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W I mean it's like within

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O Led.

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f it's like w sh okay, OLED, but it's also
less OLED than the other one has screen,

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right? Like

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It's less battery, it is less processor,

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it is I mean, I guess it's an M4 versus an
A20 Pro,

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so that's probably pretty comparable.

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But I just feel like it's very strange
that it is a you're mostly paying

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the premium because it's always been this
way.

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The the OLED is not what made this an
expensive device.

387
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Yeah, I know. It was already more
expensive.

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It's the fact

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the word mini apparently on the iPads is
really expensive.

390
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But that's not true on any the Mac.

391
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Mini is not more expensive than the Macs

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Studio? There's no nothing in between.

393
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But it's just it's weird to me that it's
so expensive.

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Yeah, I

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people were saying, you know, the iPad
Mini,

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it is noticeably thinner, less bezels,

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all of that again, I think makes it a
great device,

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luxury device. It would nice to see the
iPad Air updated soon to actually earn

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the air moniker, because this iPad mini
being thinner and lighter is the most

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air iPad. Like this is the most easy to
handle,

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thin iPad, and I feel like bringing some
of that to the air.

402
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And maybe maybe make it make make sense.

403
00:16:02,527 --> 00:16:04,368
I don't know. But that's the iPad mini.

404
00:16:04,428 --> 00:16:06,729
It's a beautiful device. It's a luxury
iPad.

405
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If you get it and you want it,

406
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this it's it's the one to get.

407
00:16:09,359 --> 00:16:13,781
I'll I would jump on it. But we have to
talk to the ProLed MacBook Pro because

408
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I think this is a hard this is not a jump
on decision because this is a three

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thousand dollar computer. I have had like
twelve hours with this device.

410
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So I've not used it like I got this
yesterday,

411
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uh as a you've had more time with it.

412
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I've had it for like a week.

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You've

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had it for like a week.

415
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So you uh my initial impression

416
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No, I'm sorry. I got mine on Monday.

417
00:16:32,938 --> 00:16:33,938
I'm sorry, not quite a week.

418
00:16:34,109 --> 00:16:36,248
Okay, so you have four days, but still way
more way more than me.

419
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Like I was able to install some apps,

420
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try a few things, see that the corners at
the bottom edges are now rounded instead

421
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of square. And we're gonna get to the if
you watch my video,

422
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which just published, did you get did you
publish your article by the way?

423
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I did. I did.

424
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Did you manually publish? Okay,

425
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very good.

426
00:16:49,067 --> 00:16:53,238
Okay, I'm happy for you. Uh the Jason was
distracted 'cause he d he doesn't trust

427
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the scheduling of a C

428
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Heck no, when you have

429
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an embargo, I don't schedule things.

430
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I just push push publish.

431
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I scheduled it. No no problem.

432
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I scheduled no problem. I in in the video,

433
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I was texting you last night because I was
learning about the corner thing,

434
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how the bottom left and right corners of
the new ProLED are rounded as opposed

435
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to the previous MacBook Air and MacBook
Pro that have square bottom left and right

436
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corners. And I kid you not, Jason,

437
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as I was talking about it, your text came
in about it.

438
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And I left it in. So if you go

439
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Awesome.

440
00:17:30,911 --> 00:17:33,653
watch my video, but not like the whole
details.

441
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This is like a single frame of the video.

442
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I'm talking about the pro lid and Jason's
text notifications in the top right

443
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and says, Nope, that's new and I don't
like it.

444
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That's what the whole text says.

445
00:17:44,778 --> 00:17:46,360
Yeah. And then we decided

446
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that those corners are really heavy,

447
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so that's how they saved the weight.

448
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They had to shave them off.

449
00:17:50,804 --> 00:17:54,015
Thank you. I did ask you to to tell me
tell me that joke on the show.

450
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I

451
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was wishing that that was the text message
that would have come through,

452
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but

453
00:17:57,788 --> 00:18:03,250
Yeah, exactly. But so I want to hear your
your more your not is not hottest take.

454
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Mine's a little more hot take,

455
00:18:04,251 --> 00:18:08,192
but this this computer is a beautiful.

456
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The display, but also the hardware,

457
00:18:11,544 --> 00:18:15,635
because it is holding it next to my
MacBook Air it was a little surprising

458
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because it was it felt closer to the air
than the old MacBook Pro.

459
00:18:20,357 --> 00:18:23,539
And if I I had in my video I kind of stack
them on top of each other.

460
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,500
And it is it is surprising how thin.

461
00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:29,621
This ProLed MacBook Pro is even compared
to the Air.

462
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Footprint, weight. I've always,

463
00:18:33,622 --> 00:18:35,322
you know, I've used MacBook Pro in the
past,

464
00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:41,784
but in the last few years, I've just
defaulted to the Air because for my work,

465
00:18:41,964 --> 00:18:45,165
it was plenty powerful, and I didn't need
to,

466
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:49,706
you know, I didn't I didn't want the
weight to I didn't want to carry it.

467
00:18:50,466 --> 00:18:55,578
But man, using this ProLed MacBook Pro and
holding it side by side to my air,

468
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I'm like, well.

469
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This is now so close that I this would be
a daily carry for me.

470
00:19:02,802 --> 00:19:07,503
Like when I travel, I am going to be using
the the ProLed MacBook Pro,

471
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at least during this review period.

472
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And it's so thin and light. It is great.

473
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And that's comparing it side by side even
to the air.

474
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And speakers sound great. I have thoughts
on the dynamic on the touch screen.

475
00:19:18,056 --> 00:19:19,606
But anyway, you've been using it for a
longer time.

476
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So tell me what what are some of your
impressions?

477
00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:24,042
Yeah, I really like it. I think it's
great.

478
00:19:24,343 --> 00:19:30,386
I think it's like again, we're living in
it's it's not that different than the iPad

479
00:19:30,386 --> 00:19:31,987
mini story. It's kind of confusing,

480
00:19:32,167 --> 00:19:37,629
right? Because essentially you can buy a
MacBook Pro with a mini LED,

481
00:19:38,050 --> 00:19:42,873
and five Pro and five Max. You can buy a
MacBook Pro with a mini LED with an M6,

482
00:19:43,271 --> 00:19:44,601
Yeah, you got a lot of options.

483
00:19:43,373 --> 00:19:44,894
right? You can configure all these things,

484
00:19:44,825 --> 00:19:45,126
Yeah.

485
00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:45,264
and then

486
00:19:45,264 --> 00:19:49,736
you can buy the M5 Pro and the five Max in
this slightly different form factor with

487
00:19:49,736 --> 00:19:50,837
the rounded

488
00:19:51,017 --> 00:19:54,689
Corners all the way around, and this
beautiful OLED display,

489
00:19:54,689 --> 00:19:56,610
which is the best display I've ever used.

490
00:19:56,610 --> 00:20:00,042
Like without question. And here's the
thing that makes it tr makes it difficult.

491
00:20:00,662 --> 00:20:04,244
The other MacBook Pros have an amazing
display.

492
00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:05,375
It's not an OLED,

493
00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:05,319
Yeah, they're great.

494
00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:09,597
but that that mini LED display on them is
fantastic.

495
00:20:09,597 --> 00:20:12,208
And I even compared them. And yeah,

496
00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:14,500
it's brighter, it the the blacks are
deeper,

497
00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,441
but the mini LED is really, really good,

498
00:20:16,441 --> 00:20:20,413
which actually makes it kind of difficult
to dis to like to decide.

499
00:20:20,705 --> 00:20:23,196
It's like, is it worth $400? And the funny
thing is,

500
00:20:23,196 --> 00:20:26,907
I was like, actually, the thing that
pushes it over the edge is that it's

501
00:20:26,907 --> 00:20:29,588
a half pound lighter. Because now you have

502
00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:29,519
Yeah, yeah.

503
00:20:29,588 --> 00:20:34,299
an incredibly powerful device with this
incredibly beautiful display.

504
00:20:34,299 --> 00:20:39,590
And it's only it is actually closer now in
weight to the MacBook Air.

505
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:42,911
The difference between the the current
MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air is less

506
00:20:43,172 --> 00:20:46,452
than the difference between the this
MacBook Pro and the previous model,

507
00:20:46,593 --> 00:20:48,153
right? It's 0.4 pounds.

508
00:20:48,811 --> 00:20:51,712
away from the MacBook Air and it's point
five pounds away from the other MacBook

509
00:20:51,712 --> 00:20:52,200
Pros,

510
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,371
Right. Yeah.

511
00:20:52,772 --> 00:20:53,613
which is which

512
00:20:53,613 --> 00:20:56,503
is interesting. Like it's it's more than
fifty percent of the weight toward

513
00:20:56,503 --> 00:20:59,875
the MacBook Air, which is a which is
fantastic.

514
00:20:59,875 --> 00:21:01,465
I don't think touch is the story.

515
00:21:01,465 --> 00:21:02,946
Like I even put in here, I was like,

516
00:21:02,946 --> 00:21:04,476
there's two highlights to this device.

517
00:21:04,476 --> 00:21:07,497
One of them is the display, one of them is
the reduction in the weight.

518
00:21:07,777 --> 00:21:10,568
And then then I was like, and I didn't
mention touch because it's not

519
00:21:10,568 --> 00:21:12,349
one of the highlights. Like it's just
fine.

520
00:21:12,349 --> 00:21:13,459
It you just you get touch.

521
00:21:12,735 --> 00:21:13,735
It's fine.

522
00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:16,777
I explained a couple of the scenarios
where I used touch.

523
00:21:16,778 --> 00:21:19,790
I think the dynamic island is actually the
best use of touch because this little

524
00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:21,552
thing just pops up and if you're playing
Spotify,

525
00:21:21,552 --> 00:21:23,964
you can just tap it. If you hit the
button,

526
00:21:23,984 --> 00:21:28,828
like if you hit the either the volume or
the uh brightness,

527
00:21:28,828 --> 00:21:32,311
and then the thing pops up, you can just
drag your finger on it across the top.

528
00:21:32,511 --> 00:21:35,403
And I actually the only thing that was
weird about it is it's like you get this

529
00:21:35,403 --> 00:21:38,946
dynamic island when it's not plugged in
and then you plug it in and you it's back

530
00:21:38,946 --> 00:21:40,778
to just normal old Mac OS, which is

531
00:21:41,014 --> 00:21:43,775
Which is kind of weird. Things pop up the
same way that they normally would.

532
00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:45,036
However,

533
00:21:44,556 --> 00:21:45,374
interesting.

534
00:21:45,374 --> 00:21:48,777
no one should buy this device and then
plug it into a studio display.

535
00:21:48,797 --> 00:21:50,566
Even if it's a studio display XDR,

536
00:21:50,566 --> 00:21:51,198
it's like, what

537
00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:51,198
Yeah.

538
00:21:51,198 --> 00:21:55,520
are you even doing? If you just want a
MacBook Pro to be your primary desktop

539
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,061
computer, but that you can grab and take
with you occasionally,

540
00:21:58,341 --> 00:22:01,462
by all means just buy the previous mi mini
LED versions.

541
00:22:01,582 --> 00:22:02,453
And the

542
00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:02,453
Right. Yeah.

543
00:22:02,453 --> 00:22:05,944
only thing I don't like, this is the very
first line of my review,

544
00:22:06,524 --> 00:22:10,006
is that you're never gonna convince me
that MacBook Pro with ProLED XDR display

545
00:22:10,006 --> 00:22:10,740
is a good name.

546
00:22:10,740 --> 00:22:14,672
It's just it's like a weird marketing
speak for combining the words

547
00:22:14,672 --> 00:22:17,073
pro and OLED. But as I told Steven in the
pre-show,

548
00:22:17,374 --> 00:22:19,575
the word pro is already in the name.

549
00:22:19,575 --> 00:22:20,865
They didn't have to put it there twice.

550
00:22:20,865 --> 00:22:22,316
They didn't have to smush it together.

551
00:22:22,592 --> 00:22:23,547
Yeah, yeah.

552
00:22:22,670 --> 00:22:23,677
I don't think

553
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:26,058
Apple wants us calling this the ProLed
MacBook Pro,

554
00:22:26,098 --> 00:22:28,579
but I even put in my display, if you're
gonna give it a stupid name,

555
00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:29,920
you're just gonna have to deal with it.

556
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:32,341
Like I it's a terrible name. I hate it.

557
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:32,820
I know I d

558
00:22:32,341 --> 00:22:32,952
I hate it.

559
00:22:32,952 --> 00:22:33,621
I hate it.

560
00:22:33,621 --> 00:22:37,853
they should have you know, there was a lot
of debate and Mark German I think even

561
00:22:37,853 --> 00:22:42,745
said that they might call this the MacBook
Ultra and maybe because it didn't have

562
00:22:42,745 --> 00:22:45,006
a new chip, you know, it's the same five
Pro and Macs,

563
00:22:45,006 --> 00:22:48,367
they didn't want to do that. I felt like
that would have been a reasonable name.

564
00:22:48,835 --> 00:22:50,226
Mm mm. This is a MacBook

565
00:22:49,808 --> 00:22:50,226
No?

566
00:22:50,226 --> 00:22:53,137
Pro. Everything about this is a MacBook
Pro with a better display.

567
00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:55,128
It's got the same ports, it's the same

568
00:22:54,475 --> 00:22:55,128
Sure.

569
00:22:55,128 --> 00:22:57,699
size, same shape. It's like barely,

570
00:22:57,699 --> 00:22:58,980
barely, barely, barely thinner.

571
00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,121
Right? Like it is almost the exact same
case and everything.

572
00:23:02,482 --> 00:23:05,823
There it would have been a terrible idea
to change the name of this because then

573
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:06,141
You think so? Okay.

574
00:23:05,823 --> 00:23:06,333
you're yeah,

575
00:23:06,333 --> 00:23:09,555
because w what you're gonna keep selling
MacBook Pros that are basically the same

576
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,055
but with a different display. Mm.

577
00:23:10,526 --> 00:23:11,386
Okay, hear me out, hear me out,

578
00:23:11,386 --> 00:23:13,476
hear me out. You ready? Oh

579
00:23:12,346 --> 00:23:13,547
I will have none of it. Go ahead.

580
00:23:13,578 --> 00:23:15,458
wait, wait, I got another I got another
name for you.

581
00:23:15,518 --> 00:23:18,580
Okay. Ready? Jason is bracing.

582
00:23:17,888 --> 00:23:19,844
I'm I'm go I'm going ahead. Go ahead.

583
00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:24,213
MacBook Pro Max. Okay,

584
00:23:23,178 --> 00:23:25,039
No. I really thought

585
00:23:24,213 --> 00:23:25,039
anyway, let's move on.

586
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:26,239
you were gonna say MacBook ProLed,

587
00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,759
and I was gonna just quit the show.

588
00:23:28,015 --> 00:23:28,620
No no.

589
00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:29,129
No, I mean

590
00:23:29,129 --> 00:23:31,671
I d I understand, and I put this in the
review,

591
00:23:31,671 --> 00:23:37,683
I understand that they have to have a some
kind of adjective associated with this

592
00:23:37,803 --> 00:23:41,314
or whatever, you know, additional verbiage
because they are still selling

593
00:23:41,314 --> 00:23:45,545
M5 Pro and five Max MacBook Pros along
with an M6 MacBook Pro.

594
00:23:45,585 --> 00:23:48,066
It's all very confusing. And I guess this
is all just

595
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,088
the result of the fact that they decided
to skip the six Pro and six Max?

596
00:23:52,088 --> 00:23:55,466
Do you think these the these Macs would
have had the six Pro and Macs in it?

597
00:23:56,145 --> 00:24:00,061
I mean I don't it I guess the two
nanometer processor whatever is just

598
00:24:00,061 --> 00:24:04,188
not w either wasn't ready at scale or for
the pro and the max.

599
00:24:05,109 --> 00:24:09,496
I mean I think this time next year we'll
just have an seven Pro and Max and then

600
00:24:09,897 --> 00:24:10,998
it'll be less confusing.

601
00:24:10,868 --> 00:24:11,429
Yeah, and I guess

602
00:24:11,429 --> 00:24:14,204
the rumors are that all the MacBook Pros
will just be this.

603
00:24:14,285 --> 00:24:17,009
They'll stop selling. Maybe the base one
will have mini LED.

604
00:24:17,561 --> 00:24:23,279
I right. I'm curious about that because I
think Ramageddon and SSD prices will have

605
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,763
more to say, like will be a deciding
factor.

606
00:24:26,104 --> 00:24:30,430
Because if the MacBook Pro line starts at
three thousand dollars,

607
00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:33,073
I think that that will be prohibitive.

608
00:24:33,371 --> 00:24:33,891
Uh

609
00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:33,930
No,

610
00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:36,011
I think that the base one maybe won't have
this.

611
00:24:36,011 --> 00:24:37,482
So they'll just have the base one,

612
00:24:36,807 --> 00:24:41,095
Right. Right. Looks great.

613
00:24:37,482 --> 00:24:41,514
which is a mini LED display, which is
incredible by the it's like I seriously,

614
00:24:41,674 --> 00:24:46,486
it is really hard to talk positively about
this new display without losing sight

615
00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:48,377
of the fact that the MacBook Pro,

616
00:24:48,597 --> 00:24:51,939
as it existed a week ago, has an amazing
display.

617
00:24:51,879 --> 00:24:52,633
Right, right, right.

618
00:24:51,939 --> 00:24:52,729
And in fact, it

619
00:24:52,729 --> 00:24:56,231
makes it absurd to me that people were
clamoring for OLED because the mini

620
00:24:56,231 --> 00:24:58,912
LED was so good. Right?

621
00:24:56,986 --> 00:24:58,937
So good, yeah. So good.

622
00:24:59,397 --> 00:25:03,439
It is yeah. So I know it sounds like it
sounds like we're doing a lot of glazing,

623
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,080
as the kids say on this episode.

624
00:25:04,834 --> 00:25:06,059
I don't even know what that word means.

625
00:25:06,301 --> 00:25:12,194
Really? It's basically means like just
saying a really lot of nice things just

626
00:25:12,109 --> 00:25:14,123
I did you hear me say the name is stupid?

627
00:25:12,194 --> 00:25:16,166
over the top. I know I know I know that.

628
00:25:14,143 --> 00:25:17,129
Just to be clear. Okay, I I'm bringing
balance for our audience.

629
00:25:17,127 --> 00:25:17,327
I

630
00:25:17,327 --> 00:25:22,590
do but I do think like there's so many
devices that were released this fall that

631
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:25,131
Apple just did the things that people have
wanted for years.

632
00:25:25,737 --> 00:25:28,448
People have wanted an OLED iPad mini for
years.

633
00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:31,760
People have been talking about an OLED
MacBook for at least the last couple

634
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,769
years. The touch screen has been rumored.

635
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:34,962
I don't know if people actually wanted
that,

636
00:25:34,962 --> 00:25:38,734
but like Apple's just like putting the
things out there that people have wanted.

637
00:25:38,935 --> 00:25:42,992
Folding phone. She just have like I just
want to step just for a second to step

638
00:25:42,992 --> 00:25:47,159
back and realize like the lineup that
Apple has right now is what people have

639
00:25:47,159 --> 00:25:48,840
asked for for years. And that's wild.

640
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,912
And I think that's fun. And I think maybe
that's why it sounds like there's some

641
00:25:52,912 --> 00:25:53,912
glazing happening.

642
00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,009
But it is also just an incredible display.

643
00:25:56,009 --> 00:25:57,180
I want to talk about the touch though,

644
00:25:57,460 --> 00:26:01,922
because the display looks amazing and you
never have to touch it,

645
00:26:02,182 --> 00:26:06,644
but you can touch it. A couple weird
things that I discovered just in the last

646
00:26:06,644 --> 00:26:09,365
twelve hours, if you invoke spotlight,

647
00:26:10,386 --> 00:26:13,047
which is command space, and the little
bubble comes down,

648
00:26:13,627 --> 00:26:16,648
it's very high up on the new ProLed
MacBook Pro.

649
00:26:17,429 --> 00:26:19,860
You can move it. And so if you didn't know
this,

650
00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:22,161
uh you could do this even on your current
MacBook Air,

651
00:26:22,161 --> 00:26:23,161
MacBook Pro or whatever.

652
00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:27,841
You can move it by holding the command key
when the spotlight window is open

653
00:26:28,121 --> 00:26:31,682
and dragging it down. So you can move
spotlight down,

654
00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:33,723
and on the ProLED MacBook Pro,

655
00:26:34,303 --> 00:26:36,244
the next time you invoke it with Command
Space,

656
00:26:36,584 --> 00:26:39,715
it will reappear in the exact same place
that you play put it,

657
00:26:39,715 --> 00:26:40,696
like in the middle of the screen,

658
00:26:40,696 --> 00:26:42,607
where I find it more comfortable to look
at.

659
00:26:43,167 --> 00:26:47,509
But if you choose to swipe down from the
dynamic island to bring spotlight back

660
00:26:47,929 --> 00:26:50,550
and then invoke it again with command
space,

661
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:52,911
it snaps back up to the top again and it's
just there.

662
00:26:53,895 --> 00:26:56,699
So there's just some interesting
behaviors.

663
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,103
And again, this is pre release,

664
00:26:59,103 --> 00:27:01,977
you know, this is not it comes out
tomorrow.

665
00:27:01,977 --> 00:27:04,010
Uh but little things like that,

666
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:06,474
maybe it will be fixed. Also the Dynamic
Island.

667
00:27:05,987 --> 00:27:07,108
hold on. You said fixed.

668
00:27:07,348 --> 00:27:09,019
I think that that's the expected behavior,

669
00:27:09,019 --> 00:27:11,030
Steven. It remembers the

670
00:27:10,644 --> 00:27:11,030
Really?

671
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:13,551
last place it was and it reopens there.

672
00:27:14,111 --> 00:27:18,153
And it's always gonna come out of the
dynamic island if that's what you do.

673
00:27:18,334 --> 00:27:21,925
So then the next time it's going to come
from like I feel like that's actually this

674
00:27:21,925 --> 00:27:23,136
is I'm sorry to interrupt you,

675
00:27:23,136 --> 00:27:23,886
but this is actually

676
00:27:23,271 --> 00:27:23,886
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

677
00:27:23,886 --> 00:27:28,499
a good point because, and I asked about
this in the briefing because I had a weird

678
00:27:28,499 --> 00:27:34,472
experience where if you use Safari and you
open a YouTube video and you tap.

679
00:27:35,126 --> 00:27:41,099
To the left or the right of the center on
on an iPad in Safari or in the app,

680
00:27:41,099 --> 00:27:44,961
if you do that, it'll advance or go back
five seconds every time you tap.

681
00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:45,497
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
00:27:44,961 --> 00:27:45,782
That's what the iPad

683
00:27:45,782 --> 00:27:48,313
does. If you do that on the SmackBook Pro,

684
00:27:48,313 --> 00:27:51,955
it just goes to full screen because that's
what happens if you click in those areas

685
00:27:51,955 --> 00:27:55,987
with a mouse, and all it's doing is
converting a touch to a click.

686
00:27:55,987 --> 00:27:58,759
So everything a click would do is what a
touch would do.

687
00:27:58,939 --> 00:28:03,381
The touches don't do anything special or
different or like whatever.

688
00:28:02,557 --> 00:28:03,964
Right. Right.

689
00:28:03,641 --> 00:28:03,992
So I

690
00:28:03,992 --> 00:28:04,992
think that that's

691
00:28:05,022 --> 00:28:10,575
You can just imagine the ki the the the
challenge that Apple faced of trying

692
00:28:10,575 --> 00:28:12,526
to cause Apple does this very well.

693
00:28:13,326 --> 00:28:16,568
Because m thing that's always been
wonderful about using a Mac,

694
00:28:16,568 --> 00:28:19,269
and this is also true of the iPad and the
in the iPhone,

695
00:28:19,729 --> 00:28:23,131
is what would someone expect in this
situation?

696
00:28:23,371 --> 00:28:27,673
Make sure it does that. And I think that
you like you described it kind of as like

697
00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:29,714
a quirk. I don't think that's gonna
change.

698
00:28:30,166 --> 00:28:33,287
Because I think that that is for most
people the expected behavior.

699
00:28:33,287 --> 00:28:35,768
If I swipe it down, it's going to appear
there.

700
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:40,731
If I move it, fine. And then the next time
I invoke it with like a keyboard shortcut,

701
00:28:40,731 --> 00:28:42,511
it's going to pop to that same spot.

702
00:28:42,812 --> 00:28:46,383
But if you go back up to the dynamic
island and you swipe down and the thing

703
00:28:46,383 --> 00:28:47,634
appeared in the middle of your screen,

704
00:28:47,634 --> 00:28:48,563
that would be weird.

705
00:28:48,563 --> 00:28:51,505
Well, but I think there was you might have
misunderstood.

706
00:28:51,723 --> 00:28:56,410
If I move it and then swipe down,

707
00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:57,931
it comes out from Dynamic Island.

708
00:28:58,491 --> 00:29:02,695
Spotlight goes away. If I invoke it with
command space again,

709
00:29:03,115 --> 00:29:04,716
it pops out of the dynamic island again.

710
00:29:05,017 --> 00:29:05,377
It does

711
00:29:05,089 --> 00:29:05,377
Mm.

712
00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:07,619
not reappear to where I moved it manually.

713
00:29:07,475 --> 00:29:08,062
Mm.

714
00:29:08,062 --> 00:29:09,193
So how'd you get it to move there?

715
00:29:10,429 --> 00:29:11,830
I command space and drag it down,

716
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:15,922
and if then if if you drag spotlight down
from the dynamic island to the middle

717
00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:19,824
of your screen and then only ever do
command space going forward,

718
00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:22,985
it will always reappear in the center of
the screen no matter what.

719
00:29:23,546 --> 00:29:27,648
But if you ever swipe down from the
dynamic island again and it comes

720
00:29:27,648 --> 00:29:32,070
out of dynamic island, now command space
defaults back to the top position.

721
00:29:31,774 --> 00:29:32,144
Yeah,

722
00:29:32,144 --> 00:29:33,916
so I'm sorry. I that is what I was trying
to say.

723
00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:37,458
I may not have explained I think that is
the expected behavior because it's just

724
00:29:37,458 --> 00:29:40,761
remembering that interaction and it wants
it to be consistent for you.

725
00:29:40,921 --> 00:29:43,263
I get it. It's kind of weird because your
brain is like,

726
00:29:43,963 --> 00:29:47,366
No, I wanted this to be where it was
before the command space,

727
00:29:47,366 --> 00:29:47,848
but yeah.

728
00:29:47,848 --> 00:29:52,179
Well, I'm and and I'm just saying I would
this might be weird,

729
00:29:52,639 --> 00:29:55,980
but if I move it for my command space
invocation,

730
00:29:56,380 --> 00:30:00,071
I would want command space to always be
where I have moved it to and swiping down

731
00:30:00,071 --> 00:30:02,622
from the dynamic island to always be
swiped down from the dynamic island.

732
00:30:02,782 --> 00:30:06,633
And give me two positions. Like give me
the command space position and give

733
00:30:06,633 --> 00:30:08,814
me the swipe down position. Again,

734
00:30:08,814 --> 00:30:11,785
this is like the first time we've ever had
a touch Mac ever.

735
00:30:11,945 --> 00:30:13,755
And so these little behaviors are
interesting.

736
00:30:13,755 --> 00:30:16,626
And like you said, it is just mimicking
cursor.

737
00:30:17,148 --> 00:30:20,000
movements and gestures. Track

738
00:30:18,188 --> 00:30:19,721
Clicks. Mm trackpad clicks, yeah.

739
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,503
that and there's really no accommodations
for touch aside from the stoplight buttons

740
00:30:24,803 --> 00:30:27,065
on the window. So if you tap the red,

741
00:30:27,065 --> 00:30:30,127
yellow, green button at the top left of a
window,

742
00:30:30,447 --> 00:30:34,790
they will expand briefly and then you can
tap them again to actually take action.

743
00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:40,314
That is the only thing that I've
discovered uh changes with the touch

744
00:30:40,334 --> 00:30:44,026
as far as the UI, because everything else
is exactly the same.

745
00:30:44,026 --> 00:30:46,748
Like swiping down or tapping the control
center.

746
00:30:47,441 --> 00:30:48,711
Exactly like you would expect.

747
00:30:49,111 --> 00:30:51,222
And I thought, you know, the menu bar
items,

748
00:30:51,222 --> 00:30:53,252
which are pretty small tap targets,

749
00:30:53,593 --> 00:30:55,593
they don't enlarge, they don't change,

750
00:30:56,333 --> 00:30:58,204
but I also find it extremely accurate.

751
00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,994
Like I never miss tapped just in my last
twelve hours of using it,

752
00:31:00,994 --> 00:31:02,795
the control center, the Wi-Fi,

753
00:31:02,795 --> 00:31:04,595
the battery, or notification center,

754
00:31:04,975 --> 00:31:07,436
everything hit a hundred percent of the
time.

755
00:31:07,616 --> 00:31:11,337
So it is very accurate, but there are no
other accommodations aside from those

756
00:31:11,337 --> 00:31:14,368
red yellow the red, yellow, green stop
light buttons.

757
00:31:14,368 --> 00:31:15,528
And I don't think it needs to.

758
00:31:16,378 --> 00:31:19,901
And also, I don't know how much I would be
touching the screen personally.

759
00:31:20,261 --> 00:31:23,573
Like as I use this computer going forward
and I'll do a full review,

760
00:31:23,573 --> 00:31:28,247
I'm not sure what use cases I will have to
touch the screen.

761
00:31:28,547 --> 00:31:32,029
I don't know what like scrolling along the
final cut timeline is fun.

762
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:34,771
Pinching and zooming in a pixel mater
thumbnail is cool,

763
00:31:35,152 --> 00:31:39,596
but I don't I don't think I'll prefer that
over just the trackpad motion.

764
00:31:39,596 --> 00:31:41,947
Is there anything that you've actually
used touch for that you're like,

765
00:31:42,087 --> 00:31:43,898
I'm glad it has touch right here?

766
00:31:43,446 --> 00:31:44,166
Just the dynamic

767
00:31:44,166 --> 00:31:45,637
island, but I did want to correct one
thing.

768
00:31:45,637 --> 00:31:48,268
If you tap any of the menu items in the
menu bar,

769
00:31:48,268 --> 00:31:50,969
those do expand differently. So instead of

770
00:31:50,589 --> 00:31:50,969
Really?

771
00:31:50,969 --> 00:31:55,672
a click, yeah, there's more space between
like if you just tap file versus clicking

772
00:31:55,672 --> 00:31:58,473
on file, there's definitely more space in
the tap.

773
00:31:58,513 --> 00:32:01,004
So it it does accommodate your touch that
way.

774
00:32:01,886 --> 00:32:03,023
Do they actually move though?

775
00:32:03,884 --> 00:32:06,007
They're different. They don't like move,

776
00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:07,520
but if you if you click on it,

777
00:32:07,540 --> 00:32:10,645
there's one spacing, right? And then if
you tap on it,

778
00:32:10,645 --> 00:32:13,570
there's a different spacing. So if you t

779
00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:13,819
Honestly, that's

780
00:32:13,819 --> 00:32:15,003
strange 'cause I don't have that.

781
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:16,694
Like it it doesn't

782
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:16,694
What do you mean?

783
00:32:16,694 --> 00:32:17,694
actually change.

784
00:32:18,057 --> 00:32:22,643
You don't see it change. I'm saying click
on a menu and look at how what the spacing

785
00:32:22,643 --> 00:32:24,105
is. Then get away from the menu.

786
00:32:24,346 --> 00:32:27,570
And then tap on the same menu and they're
definitely farther apart.

787
00:32:29,306 --> 00:32:31,728
I'm I'm just saying that's not what that's
not what I'm seeing.

788
00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:33,588
and that's what everybody was reporting
too.

789
00:32:33,588 --> 00:32:36,675
So you're saying you tap on it and it
doesn't it's not they're not farther

790
00:32:36,675 --> 00:32:37,084
apart?

791
00:32:37,084 --> 00:32:38,716
Like no, 'cause here in my video,

792
00:32:38,856 --> 00:32:42,640
like so I open can do, I swipe across the
Kanban boards or whatever.

793
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,185
But when you see me actually tap the menu
items in the top left,

794
00:32:47,385 --> 00:32:50,438
nothing changes for me. Like it the file,

795
00:32:50,438 --> 00:32:53,491
edit, view, like the stoplight buttons
grow,

796
00:32:53,652 --> 00:32:57,415
like I was saying, but if I tap the like
file menu stuff,

797
00:32:57,916 --> 00:32:59,736
it's the same size everywhere.

798
00:32:59,571 --> 00:33:00,076
Mm.

799
00:33:00,076 --> 00:33:02,044
That's probably just 'cause it's your your
app.

800
00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:04,552
But it does it for Finder. Like Finder
right now,

801
00:33:04,553 --> 00:33:08,265
they don't change. Like look look at my
finger touching the the menu bar.

802
00:33:08,265 --> 00:33:09,857
Like, does that look like how it looks for
you?

803
00:33:09,182 --> 00:33:11,317
Yes, that's expanded. Absolutely.

804
00:33:11,258 --> 00:33:11,468
But

805
00:33:11,468 --> 00:33:12,559
it does that for the mouse too.

806
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:15,621
Like at least in my on my MacBook Pro.

807
00:33:14,035 --> 00:33:15,978
I think they're different. I think they're
different.

808
00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:19,424
I think I think you're gaslighting
yourself.

809
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,825
I'm almost positive No, I'm trust me.

810
00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:21,876
I don't know. Like,

811
00:33:21,876 --> 00:33:25,789
I'm clicking with the mouse right here in
the Finder preferences.

812
00:33:25,153 --> 00:33:26,153
Yeah.

813
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:29,952
And there's a little rounded bubble
underneath each menu thing.

814
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:30,948
Yep, yep. And I'll go and tap one of
those.

815
00:33:31,233 --> 00:33:32,294
And then if I tap one.

816
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:33,871
It does the exact same thing.

817
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:34,417
It's way

818
00:33:34,417 --> 00:33:37,022
wider. Look at that. Those it they're way
spread out.

819
00:33:37,182 --> 00:33:39,588
Are you talking about the actual menu or
the controls in the menu bar?

820
00:33:39,744 --> 00:33:41,101
I'm talking about what drops down.

821
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:44,832
Oh, okay, never mind. I gotcha.

822
00:33:44,932 --> 00:33:47,463
I thought you were talking about the
actual I thought you were talking about

823
00:33:47,006 --> 00:33:52,157
No, no, no, no, no. The menus that drop
down are way spread out compared

824
00:33:47,463 --> 00:33:49,474
the actual menu items in the top.

825
00:33:50,455 --> 00:33:51,455
Okay.

826
00:33:52,157 --> 00:33:52,877
to if you click.

827
00:33:52,877 --> 00:33:54,547
This is great radio. I'm so sorry.

828
00:33:54,547 --> 00:33:57,699
This is yeah, you're right. Those columns
are slightly larger.

829
00:33:56,694 --> 00:33:59,470
Wait, say that again. Yeah, you're right.

830
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,652
This is great radio. Yeah,

831
00:33:59,470 --> 00:34:02,346
That's the part. That's the part I wanna
hear.

832
00:34:02,652 --> 00:34:05,754
yeah, yeah. So the menus themselves get
wider,

833
00:34:05,716 --> 00:34:09,006
Yes. No, yeah. No no

834
00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:08,956
but the actual menu items in the menu bar
don't change.

835
00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:09,777
no, I mean yeah.

836
00:34:09,608 --> 00:34:09,778
Those

837
00:34:09,778 --> 00:34:11,350
are cheap but those are the smallest tap
targets,

838
00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:14,163
is what I'm saying. Like of all the tap
targets in macOS,

839
00:34:14,423 --> 00:34:16,776
menu bar icons are probably the smallest.

840
00:34:16,768 --> 00:34:17,028
Well,

841
00:34:17,028 --> 00:34:19,490
but I think the reason is, think about it
this way.

842
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:23,702
What they did is they made an affordance
for the areas that when you tap on them,

843
00:34:23,702 --> 00:34:26,474
they might take an action. If you just tap
on a menu,

844
00:34:26,474 --> 00:34:28,375
all you do is get another get a menu,

845
00:34:28,375 --> 00:34:31,507
right? But if you but the same but just
like the stoplights,

846
00:34:31,507 --> 00:34:35,209
you don't want to accidentally tap the red
one when you meant to tap the yellow

847
00:34:35,209 --> 00:34:35,969
one or whatever.

848
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:36,190
Right, exactly.

849
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:39,631
When you get a menu like you pull down the
file menu and it's like,

850
00:34:40,372 --> 00:34:43,054
you know, a new finder window or paste an
item,

851
00:34:43,054 --> 00:34:44,010
it's like, wait.

852
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:46,747
I better make it so that they can pick the
exact thing that they actually want.

853
00:34:46,747 --> 00:34:47,014
So

854
00:34:47,014 --> 00:34:48,365
Yeah, that that that makes sense.

855
00:34:48,365 --> 00:34:49,956
And no, I do notice that difference now.

856
00:34:50,296 --> 00:34:53,258
So the Dynamic Island, uh this is my
theory,

857
00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:55,874
and I tell David this on my power users
too.

858
00:34:56,301 --> 00:35:01,324
Those who might be all into like keyboard
maestro and hyper keys and raycast

859
00:35:01,324 --> 00:35:07,168
and special launchers, I think the touch
screen will be less used by them

860
00:35:07,909 --> 00:35:10,210
as opposed to maybe people who are not in
that world,

861
00:35:10,751 --> 00:35:14,554
and it will be faster and easier for them
to just reach out and touch something

862
00:35:14,554 --> 00:35:15,554
on the screen.

863
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,092
And even just like for selecting multiple
items,

864
00:35:19,592 --> 00:35:22,194
there is a world of people who don't know
command A.

865
00:35:22,735 --> 00:35:24,226
Or that you can click one item,

866
00:35:24,226 --> 00:35:27,900
hold the shift key, and click a bottom
item and select the entire list.

867
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,661
Something might have just learned that
right now.

868
00:35:29,901 --> 00:35:33,645
Or that you can hold the command key and
click multiple items and they all stay

869
00:35:33,645 --> 00:35:35,947
selected. Those little things,

870
00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:37,418
which you know, you could argue,

871
00:35:37,418 --> 00:35:40,030
well, this is a MacBook Pro and Pro users
know that stuff.

872
00:35:40,151 --> 00:35:42,733
Maybe, maybe not. You know, someone who

873
00:35:44,229 --> 00:35:45,430
you know, might be in the creative space,

874
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:47,852
but not just into like that kind of file
management stuff.

875
00:35:48,052 --> 00:35:51,735
And so I do think being able to tap and
hold your finger and select a bunch

876
00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:56,039
of items visually on screen will help a
segment of Mac users.

877
00:35:56,479 --> 00:36:01,093
But those who are probably more like power
users as far as the macros and keyboard

878
00:36:01,093 --> 00:36:03,145
shortcuts, maybe we less useful.

879
00:36:03,585 --> 00:36:07,429
But also like we said in last episode in
the Wired interview with Joswiak,

880
00:36:07,429 --> 00:36:10,531
Turnus, and Suruji, the next generation of
people,

881
00:36:10,531 --> 00:36:12,529
like I think of my son, who

882
00:36:13,137 --> 00:36:15,559
has used his iPad for Logic Pro and all
this kind of stuff.

883
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:18,171
I think the touch screen for that next
generation,

884
00:36:18,171 --> 00:36:22,485
it's gonna be just a natural input method
and they will prefer having it.

885
00:36:23,025 --> 00:36:24,446
And you can argue how useful it is.

886
00:36:24,446 --> 00:36:25,667
I think it remains to be seen.

887
00:36:25,687 --> 00:36:31,012
Apps have to I'm we might get a whole new
wave of apps in the next couple years that

888
00:36:31,012 --> 00:36:33,213
really utilize touch on the Mac.

889
00:36:33,834 --> 00:36:35,906
But we'll see. Because, you know,

890
00:36:35,906 --> 00:36:38,698
the Steve Jobs quote has been going around
the last two weeks.

891
00:36:39,379 --> 00:36:42,301
You don't want to be holding your arm out
touching the screen for hours.

892
00:36:42,609 --> 00:36:44,290
You know what I mean? And you're not going
to be doing that.

893
00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:46,131
You're gonna be using the keyboard and
trackpad.

894
00:36:46,411 --> 00:36:48,332
But like I played around in Logic,

895
00:36:48,713 --> 00:36:52,154
it's kinda fun to pull up a piano and play
multiple keys.

896
00:36:52,456 --> 00:36:52,742
Yeah.

897
00:36:52,675 --> 00:36:52,995
Or,

898
00:36:52,995 --> 00:36:56,807
you know, be able to select tracks quickly
or even layers in pixel mater to be able

899
00:36:56,807 --> 00:36:58,568
to like flick through the layers really
fast.

900
00:36:58,568 --> 00:37:00,039
Like, yeah, I could do that with my mouse,

901
00:37:00,399 --> 00:37:03,921
but sometimes it's just kind of fun to do
it with your finger and maybe even like

902
00:37:04,201 --> 00:37:06,363
moving things a certain way. You know,

903
00:37:06,363 --> 00:37:08,909
I don't know if you've I'm sure you've
worked with documents that have

904
00:37:08,909 --> 00:37:10,395
a ton of layers. Sometimes like

905
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,033
If you want to move this layer way up to
the top and it's way down on the list,

906
00:37:14,314 --> 00:37:17,347
sometimes clicking and holding with the
mouse and trying to drag it on that very

907
00:37:17,347 --> 00:37:19,068
top edge can be a little precarious.

908
00:37:19,068 --> 00:37:21,961
And sometimes like, you know, to get it to
scroll so you can go to the top.

909
00:37:22,161 --> 00:37:26,045
Whereas if I can tap and hold with one
finger and pr you know with my other

910
00:37:26,045 --> 00:37:27,907
finger to go to the very top of the
layers,

911
00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:30,589
maybe that's useful. Have to see.

912
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:32,331
You know, I've only had this thing for
twelve hours,

913
00:37:32,331 --> 00:37:34,231
but that's my thought. It's a beautiful
screen though.

914
00:37:33,826 --> 00:37:34,286
The one

915
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:38,797
the one thing I wish you could do it with
touch is basically I guess what is it,

916
00:37:38,797 --> 00:37:43,069
mission control or ex was a because on
your iPad if you just swipe up,

917
00:37:43,129 --> 00:37:45,430
you know, you can go into the where you
see all the windows.

918
00:37:45,649 --> 00:37:46,087
Yeah, yeah.

919
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:46,170
I really

920
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:47,508
wish you could do that on the mat.

921
00:37:47,508 --> 00:37:49,261
Like that would be so useful. But again,

922
00:37:49,261 --> 00:37:53,593
that's not a click command. So that's why
that doesn't work.

923
00:37:53,873 --> 00:37:56,884
You can move windows around, just drag
them around if you grab them by like

924
00:37:56,884 --> 00:37:57,718
the menu bar.

925
00:37:57,718 --> 00:38:01,053
But if I s just swipe up from the bottom
on mine it just brings up the menu

926
00:38:01,053 --> 00:38:04,597
bar or the dock because I hide my doc
because I'm a normal person.

927
00:38:04,597 --> 00:38:07,852
Um yeah, I know, but I don't think your

928
00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:07,842
I have my dog. Wait.

929
00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:09,194
Mac Power Users co host does.

930
00:38:10,139 --> 00:38:11,729
If you do the three fingers up,

931
00:38:12,214 --> 00:38:13,210
I get mission control.

932
00:38:13,206 --> 00:38:13,546
Three

933
00:38:13,546 --> 00:38:16,429
fingers up, but I don't have to use three
fingers on the iPad.

934
00:38:16,429 --> 00:38:18,971
I can just swipe up from the base and
it'll do that.

935
00:38:18,941 --> 00:38:22,045
like s gotcha, gotcha.

936
00:38:18,971 --> 00:38:22,754
And I'm just saying I wanna be able to
just do that because that's so yeah.

937
00:38:22,448 --> 00:38:22,815
Yeah.

938
00:38:22,815 --> 00:38:25,387
But you're right, you can do a three swip
fingers up swipe because that's the same

939
00:38:25,387 --> 00:38:26,518
thing as what the track pad does.

940
00:38:26,607 --> 00:38:30,540
Right, right. And and three fingers left
and right can do the move between spaces

941
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:32,441
and stuff. But you know, it's fun.

942
00:38:32,521 --> 00:38:35,093
Like listen, it's fun. and I should
mention too.

943
00:38:35,093 --> 00:38:37,244
There's been a thousand embargoes.

944
00:38:37,285 --> 00:38:40,126
Creator Studio apps, the embargo lifted
this morning also,

945
00:38:40,126 --> 00:38:43,889
so I show that in my video. Like
PixelMater Pro now generative fill.

946
00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:47,632
So I show that. I just wanna here's me
flicking layers in PixelMater.

947
00:38:49,353 --> 00:38:53,456
Logic Pro, there's the uh one thing I'll
say about the Creator Studio apps.

948
00:38:53,696 --> 00:38:55,207
The little assistant chat bot

949
00:38:55,378 --> 00:38:56,939
Which is now in things like Keynote,

950
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:02,221
Logic Pro. You can just prompt at things,

951
00:39:02,222 --> 00:39:04,533
which is wild. And it actually works.

952
00:39:04,533 --> 00:39:09,205
In my video, I was trying to show off
Logic Pro on the Pro Led MacBook Pro.

953
00:39:09,845 --> 00:39:13,007
And I was like, I just want to bring up a
full keyboard so I can play a chord.

954
00:39:13,178 --> 00:39:15,048
I didn't know where to look for it in
Logic.

955
00:39:15,268 --> 00:39:18,670
So I just asked the chatbot in Logic Pro,

956
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:20,751
can you bring up a full piano so I can
play it?

957
00:39:21,031 --> 00:39:24,833
And it just did it. Like it was kind of
wild to have Logic Pro.

958
00:39:24,925 --> 00:39:27,767
Pro do something like that. And Keynote,

959
00:39:28,307 --> 00:39:31,469
surprisingly good. And also, well,

960
00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:33,390
okay, I'll do generative fill because I
want to share this.

961
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:34,861
Generative fill in PixelMater,

962
00:39:34,861 --> 00:39:39,353
you can circle something, which again you
can do with the cursor on your trackpad,

963
00:39:39,353 --> 00:39:41,724
but it's also kind of fun to actually just
circle something on the screen

964
00:39:41,724 --> 00:39:44,906
of the MacBook Pro. You can do the
generative fill,

965
00:39:44,906 --> 00:39:47,738
describe a change. It sends it to Google
Cloud,

966
00:39:47,938 --> 00:39:50,479
which it actually specifies in this little
window,

967
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,440
and I asked it to change the watch face,

968
00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:53,521
and it did it.

969
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:56,000
It actually put a battery percentage on
the watch face,

970
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,019
which I was very offended by. Uh,

971
00:39:58,019 --> 00:40:00,501
but you know, just changing the watch
face,

972
00:40:00,501 --> 00:40:03,292
got all the text right. Generative fill is
cool.

973
00:40:03,972 --> 00:40:07,993
Keynote, way better at generating slides
from an outline.

974
00:40:08,553 --> 00:40:10,264
That feature was in a previous version of
Keynote,

975
00:40:10,264 --> 00:40:11,894
and if you tried it, it was not good.

976
00:40:12,154 --> 00:40:17,596
It did not make good slides. Now I gave it
like a fifteen slide outline,

977
00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:21,507
just the text, and I gave it to the chat
bot that just lives there in Keynote.

978
00:40:21,507 --> 00:40:22,737
I said, Hey, make a bunch of slides.

979
00:40:23,249 --> 00:40:24,669
And it did it and it was actually pretty
good.

980
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:29,331
And the slides looked decent. Then you
could just describe changes.

981
00:40:29,331 --> 00:40:30,891
You know, if I want to say add a photo,

982
00:40:31,451 --> 00:40:32,872
only make this three bullet points,

983
00:40:32,872 --> 00:40:35,432
make a chart. It is much better at that.

984
00:40:35,452 --> 00:40:37,413
I think it's actually a useful assistant.

985
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:41,361
And the Logic Pro stuff, like to show the
keyboard,

986
00:40:41,361 --> 00:40:43,394
I can tell it like just put a loop,

987
00:40:43,675 --> 00:40:47,956
like put a synth loop or put like a sci-fi
soundscape type loop,

988
00:40:48,136 --> 00:40:50,266
and then to just put a piano on screen.

989
00:40:50,266 --> 00:40:52,937
Like it's pretty wild. So when these
Creator Studio apps

990
00:40:53,137 --> 00:40:55,825
The updates come out, highly recommend
trying it.

991
00:40:56,126 --> 00:40:58,483
If you had a poor experience, especially
with the keynote one in the past,

992
00:40:58,483 --> 00:41:00,539
it is much improved. I I recommend.

993
00:41:00,855 --> 00:41:01,395
Yeah. The

994
00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:01,395
So

995
00:41:01,395 --> 00:41:06,019
other thing I'll say about the touch is it
is a really useful thing in final cut,

996
00:41:06,019 --> 00:41:10,552
or I did this in audition. Final cut is
actually maybe it's not,

997
00:41:10,552 --> 00:41:11,783
maybe 'cause you use it all the time.

998
00:41:12,003 --> 00:41:17,587
It is a incredibly confusing to me how to
expand

999
00:41:17,887 --> 00:41:20,910
the what do you call it?

1000
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:21,696
The timeline.

1001
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:24,978
Right. If I wanna just expand the timeline
either left or right or vertically,

1002
00:41:24,978 --> 00:41:28,271
same thing in in logic. Sometimes you want
to see more of the waveforms,

1003
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:28,967
Yeah, yeah.

1004
00:41:28,391 --> 00:41:29,106
right? And that kind

1005
00:41:29,106 --> 00:41:32,954
of thing. But just being able to just
reach up in touch and do that is so nice

1006
00:41:32,954 --> 00:41:35,726
to be able to that's like a incredibly
useful thing.

1007
00:41:35,726 --> 00:41:37,047
You don't have to remember a keyboard
shortcut,

1008
00:41:37,047 --> 00:41:38,178
you don't have to use a slider.

1009
00:41:38,298 --> 00:41:39,458
You can literally just do that.

1010
00:41:39,458 --> 00:41:42,941
I was doing it in audition because I
needed to find a really precise cut point.

1011
00:41:43,261 --> 00:41:45,703
And I just made the the waveform bigger.

1012
00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:50,046
And and Adobe has done nothing to audition
to to make it.

1013
00:41:50,374 --> 00:41:52,155
I mean you could understand on Apple's
apps,

1014
00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:53,875
well yeah, they're thinking about this.

1015
00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:55,476
Adobe is not thinking about this,

1016
00:41:55,536 --> 00:41:57,677
but anything you might do, it just worked.

1017
00:41:57,717 --> 00:41:59,918
Just it just it just did it. And I'm like,

1018
00:41:59,958 --> 00:42:02,819
that's a nice use of touch. I don't know
if it's worth four hundred dollars.

1019
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,360
But maybe if you do that all the time,

1020
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,341
having that if it's something you like did
four times a day,

1021
00:42:08,421 --> 00:42:10,342
probably four hundred dollars becomes
worth it.

1022
00:42:11,431 --> 00:42:14,583
So Ethan on YouTube asked us this
question.

1023
00:42:15,063 --> 00:42:16,644
If you need to buy a new MacBook,

1024
00:42:16,924 --> 00:42:18,805
do you get the MacBook Pro six?

1025
00:42:19,566 --> 00:42:22,067
Do you get the base model with ProLED
screen?

1026
00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,139
And you know, the base model starts at one
terabyte.

1027
00:42:25,139 --> 00:42:29,011
Do we have thoughts? So I I'm curious your
how you would reason this to someone.

1028
00:42:29,271 --> 00:42:34,434
If someone has to and is getting a MacBook
Pro today and presumably has the budget,

1029
00:42:35,134 --> 00:42:38,116
should they go pro led? Should they go
mini LED,

1030
00:42:38,616 --> 00:42:39,747
six versus five?

1031
00:42:40,455 --> 00:42:41,906
How how would you advise someone?

1032
00:42:41,906 --> 00:42:47,388
For me, listen, if you if this is the
computer you take with you all the time,

1033
00:42:48,128 --> 00:42:53,260
like Jason said earlier, I honestly think
the weight difference makes the ProLED

1034
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:56,712
MacBook Pro, that alone might be worth it.

1035
00:42:56,712 --> 00:42:58,783
Again, depending on your use case and if
you have the funds,

1036
00:42:58,783 --> 00:43:03,545
like that is amazing. but this screen is
incredible too.

1037
00:43:03,545 --> 00:43:07,136
Even if you never touch it, it is an
incredible looking screen.

1038
00:43:07,416 --> 00:43:09,287
And so if you have the budget

1039
00:43:10,087 --> 00:43:11,957
I would I think I would go pro lid,

1040
00:43:12,179 --> 00:43:13,889
but Jason, what how how would you advise
them?

1041
00:43:14,231 --> 00:43:16,712
Well, the question doesn't say MacBook
Pro,

1042
00:43:16,852 --> 00:43:19,431
but fine. Cause I mean my answer to this
was

1043
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:19,766
Well he said six, you know.

1044
00:43:20,053 --> 00:43:21,603
he just said if you need to buy a MacBook,

1045
00:43:21,603 --> 00:43:23,754
do I get the MacBook Pro M6 or to get the
Mace?

1046
00:43:23,754 --> 00:43:24,184
And I would

1047
00:43:23,804 --> 00:43:24,184
Yeah yeah.

1048
00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:27,445
actually say no, just get out just buy a
Mac style MacBook Air still.

1049
00:43:27,445 --> 00:43:28,865
That's probably the best value deal

1050
00:43:28,454 --> 00:43:28,865
Really?

1051
00:43:28,865 --> 00:43:32,916
you're gonna get. Yeah. But if I was going
to recommend to somebody which one should

1052
00:43:32,916 --> 00:43:37,867
I get for the m like if you're asking a
question you don't automatically know

1053
00:43:37,867 --> 00:43:40,318
you should get the pro like, you need to
know that you want the pro led.

1054
00:43:40,512 --> 00:43:43,863
Like I cannot recommend anyone into the
ProLED or to the touch.

1055
00:43:44,023 --> 00:43:46,824
So if you're not sure and if you're
considering the M6,

1056
00:43:47,164 --> 00:43:53,296
I think the sweet spot is the the mini LED
MacBook Pro with the M5 Pro,

1057
00:43:53,296 --> 00:43:55,637
48 gigs of memory, and a one terabyte hard
drive.

1058
00:43:55,637 --> 00:43:56,977
I think that's like the sweet spot.

1059
00:43:56,977 --> 00:43:59,728
Like that machine will last you for
absolute ever.

1060
00:43:59,808 --> 00:44:02,729
It'll be great five, six, seven years from
now.

1061
00:44:03,189 --> 00:44:05,630
It'll be affordable. I even said in my
review.

1062
00:44:06,762 --> 00:44:10,320
If you have four to six hundred dollars
you're willing to spend on top of whatever

1063
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,229
you're gonna buy, I would put that in
either a memory or a SSD upgrade before

1064
00:44:14,229 --> 00:44:15,292
I bought the pro led display.

1065
00:44:15,982 --> 00:44:20,214
Yeah, and that that is the unfortunate
question everyone must ask themselves

1066
00:44:20,074 --> 00:44:20,584
No, but I think

1067
00:44:20,214 --> 00:44:20,584
is like

1068
00:44:20,584 --> 00:44:25,256
that's like a no brainer going from twenty
four to forty eight or thirty two to sixty

1069
00:44:25,256 --> 00:44:27,387
four. Like I would I would spend I mean,

1070
00:44:27,387 --> 00:44:31,559
the one terabyte is probably okay for most
people for an SSD,

1071
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,379
right? Because external SSDs are so fat,

1072
00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:38,562
like whatever. Getting them like upping
the memory is a big deal.

1073
00:44:38,622 --> 00:44:42,653
And I probably would recommend you do that
before you splurge for the the OLED.

1074
00:44:42,653 --> 00:44:46,285
I think in the long run it will be way
more useful to you and it future proofs

1075
00:44:46,285 --> 00:44:49,256
your your machine. I don't think Apple's
gonna make macOS anymore.

1076
00:44:49,346 --> 00:44:52,002
Touchy, right? Like I think you'll be able
to use this

1077
00:44:51,365 --> 00:44:52,002
Right.

1078
00:44:52,002 --> 00:44:53,234
forever and not worry about it.

1079
00:44:53,555 --> 00:44:56,742
But in five years, you might wish you had
48 gigs of memory.

1080
00:44:57,626 --> 00:45:00,680
Jason had the much more level headed
recommendation.

1081
00:45:00,597 --> 00:45:03,069
I mean, this is why I'm here. I mean,

1082
00:45:01,982 --> 00:45:03,965
And that's that is very reasonable.

1083
00:45:03,069 --> 00:45:04,539
I think it's listen, I love it.

1084
00:45:04,539 --> 00:45:06,082
It's gorgeous. It I said this

1085
00:45:05,096 --> 00:45:06,082
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1086
00:45:06,082 --> 00:45:08,393
in the review. It is the one that I want
to use.

1087
00:45:08,454 --> 00:45:12,027
I don't know if it's the one I'd recommend
anyone buy because there are so many other

1088
00:45:12,027 --> 00:45:13,898
considerations. I actually think,

1089
00:45:13,898 --> 00:45:16,780
I mean, like, listen, if if you were my
friend and you're like,

1090
00:45:16,941 --> 00:45:19,703
I have thirty five hundred dollars to
spend on a MacBook Pro,

1091
00:45:19,923 --> 00:45:26,048
I would probably say buy a refurbished M5
Pro with 48 gigs and a terabyte

1092
00:45:24,174 --> 00:45:27,564
Okay. Sure, sure.

1093
00:45:26,048 --> 00:45:27,640
or two terabytes of storage. That's
probably what

1094
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,498
I would say.

1095
00:45:28,498 --> 00:45:31,878
Or buy a maxed out MacBook Air and you'll
be so happy with it forever.

1096
00:45:32,356 --> 00:45:36,299
And yeah, and to be fair, like our proleds
are review units,

1097
00:45:36,299 --> 00:45:37,680
so like we didn't have to buy these.

1098
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:38,130
Yeah, I didn't buy this.

1099
00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:38,696
And

1100
00:45:38,696 --> 00:45:41,542
I have bought a lot of things this fall.

1101
00:45:42,403 --> 00:45:47,036
Some some to review, s some live on the
air,

1102
00:45:44,406 --> 00:45:45,514
Some of them live on the air.

1103
00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:51,609
some just for the heck of it. And if Apple
had not sent me the ProLed,

1104
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:53,000
I don't think I would have bought it.

1105
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,952
Uh one, I try not to just buy things to
return it.

1106
00:45:57,053 --> 00:46:00,736
And I also feel like uh when I buy things

1107
00:46:01,144 --> 00:46:02,745
specifically to review and make a video
of,

1108
00:46:02,745 --> 00:46:05,987
I think it's because it's a product that
people should consider.

1109
00:46:06,767 --> 00:46:08,648
And I think you should consider this,

1110
00:46:09,148 --> 00:46:12,841
but the price was prohibited enough where
if I had not gotten a review unit,

1111
00:46:12,841 --> 00:46:14,852
I probably would not have bought this
personally.

1112
00:46:15,352 --> 00:46:19,515
And in my uses, I have my Mac Studio,

1113
00:46:20,035 --> 00:46:25,158
which M4 Max. So glad I it wasn't
foresight.

1114
00:46:25,158 --> 00:46:28,740
It was just dumb luck that I got 128 gigs
of RAM.

1115
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:32,542
And an eight terabyte SSD before that cost
a million dollars.

1116
00:46:32,903 --> 00:46:37,035
And I bought this last year and gonna keep
this through RAM again.

1117
00:46:37,035 --> 00:46:38,807
This this boy's gonna get me through it.

1118
00:46:39,276 --> 00:46:40,188
Yeah.

1119
00:46:40,188 --> 00:46:44,891
And I would not trade that for a ProLED
MacBook Pro.

1120
00:46:45,351 --> 00:46:46,892
And the trading value, like I could,

1121
00:46:47,032 --> 00:46:48,994
you know, if I really wanted to have a
personal device.

1122
00:46:49,354 --> 00:46:52,416
But if I if I had not been sent the ProLED
as a review unit,

1123
00:46:52,416 --> 00:46:57,910
I would I would not buy right now because
my use is I benefit more from a desktop

1124
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:58,727
Mac.

1125
00:46:58,727 --> 00:47:04,381
that's powerful that I can remote into for
my iPhone Duo or my iPad Pro

1126
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:10,076
and do my work there. But if your use
cases are more portable or budget

1127
00:47:10,076 --> 00:47:12,808
is not a question or whatever,

1128
00:47:13,089 --> 00:47:14,570
I mean it's a beautiful computer.

1129
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:19,013
And it's I think one of the titles that I
may be testing on my videos like,

1130
00:47:19,214 --> 00:47:20,565
I think this is the future of Macs.

1131
00:47:20,565 --> 00:47:23,877
I think clearly. You know, I was on
MacBreak Weekly earlier this week.

1132
00:47:24,058 --> 00:47:25,068
I probably should not have agreed.

1133
00:47:25,068 --> 00:47:27,150
I, you know, I agreed to MacBreak Weekly
and I was like,

1134
00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:29,380
I'm probably not gonna get a bunch of
review units,

1135
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:33,682
will I? Turns out it was like the worst
time.

1136
00:47:33,682 --> 00:47:34,812
But I was so glad to be on it.

1137
00:47:34,812 --> 00:47:37,283
I enjoyed it. It was my first time
podcasting with Christina Warren,

1138
00:47:37,283 --> 00:47:38,983
who's now a regular host on Mac Break
Weekly.

1139
00:47:39,223 --> 00:47:42,334
So glad to be on. But on Mac Break Weekly,

1140
00:47:42,334 --> 00:47:44,925
we were talking about you know what?

1141
00:47:44,965 --> 00:47:46,545
I actually forgot what I was gonna say.

1142
00:47:47,405 --> 00:47:51,617
I was like I totally forgot. Uh but
anyway,

1143
00:47:51,617 --> 00:47:53,327
it's a beautiful computer.

1144
00:47:52,393 --> 00:47:53,393
Ha ha ha.

1145
00:47:54,047 --> 00:47:55,928
And yeah, if you can get it, get it.

1146
00:47:56,368 --> 00:47:56,910
Man.

1147
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:59,422
It was gonna be a really good point and
maybe it'll come back to me.

1148
00:47:59,662 --> 00:48:00,753
We still have so much to get to.

1149
00:48:00,753 --> 00:48:01,203
We're like

1150
00:48:00,798 --> 00:48:01,523
Yeah.

1151
00:48:01,523 --> 00:48:04,195
fifty minutes in the show. We have to talk
about audio intelligence and still

1152
00:48:04,195 --> 00:48:05,626
do the lightning round and Siri AI.

1153
00:48:05,707 --> 00:48:07,027
There's a bunch of changes there.

1154
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1158
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1161
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1169
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1170
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All right, Jason, I think we've done about
10% of today's episode.

1267
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I think we're about that far in.

1268
00:53:39,252 --> 00:53:41,833
Buckle up. All right. Get

1269
00:53:41,289 --> 00:53:42,289
I'm here.

1270
00:53:43,034 --> 00:53:44,714
thank you for your enthusiasm.

1271
00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:51,057
27.3. Developer Beta One came out uh a
couple days ago.

1272
00:53:51,497 --> 00:53:53,498
And with it, a bunch of stuff.

1273
00:53:53,918 --> 00:53:55,739
Siri AI has more capabilities,

1274
00:53:55,739 --> 00:53:58,420
which is wild. You have reachability on
the duo,

1275
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:01,471
so you can swipe left and right on the
outer screen and make it easier to reach

1276
00:54:01,471 --> 00:54:06,203
your apps or whatever. But the biggest
thing is audio intelligence.

1277
00:54:07,139 --> 00:54:10,971
On your Apple Watch, if you have the devo
at 27.3 Developer Beta 1 on your iPhone

1278
00:54:10,971 --> 00:54:13,882
and your Apple Watch, has to be Series 12
or Ultra 4,

1279
00:54:14,282 --> 00:54:17,403
you now get Live Rewind and Siri recaps.

1280
00:54:17,883 --> 00:54:20,104
Live Rewind is a super fast demo,

1281
00:54:20,104 --> 00:54:21,885
and so I'll show it here. I have on my
Apple Watch,

1282
00:54:22,105 --> 00:54:24,786
if I double click the crown, live rewind,

1283
00:54:25,106 --> 00:54:27,427
it makes a little sound, pings my wrist,

1284
00:54:27,647 --> 00:54:31,929
and now I get a little transcript right on
my watch of the last 15 seconds of audio

1285
00:54:31,929 --> 00:54:36,441
that it was hearing. And I can save that
to the Siri app.

1286
00:54:36,611 --> 00:54:41,115
on my iPhone. So you can actually save the
live rewind 15 second transcripts

1287
00:54:41,356 --> 00:54:46,721
to the Siri app. I can also ask Siri about
the live rewind that I just did.

1288
00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:51,745
Uh but yeah if you missed the specials
from the wait staff,

1289
00:54:51,986 --> 00:54:54,988
you can uh do that. That was the example
that Apple gave during the event.

1290
00:54:55,389 --> 00:54:56,680
So so that's there. You

1291
00:54:56,622 --> 00:54:58,584
Couldn't you just ask the server to repeat
it?

1292
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,753
gonna say something? No, Jason,

1293
00:54:58,584 --> 00:55:01,477
That's what I'm not Okay. Listen,

1294
00:54:59,753 --> 00:55:01,625
you cannot. You cannot

1295
00:55:01,658 --> 00:55:05,722
hold on. I'm not suggesting that this
feature is entirely unuseful.

1296
00:55:05,399 --> 00:55:06,350
I know, I know.

1297
00:55:05,742 --> 00:55:06,353
I'm just saying

1298
00:55:06,353 --> 00:55:09,607
they didn't find the right use cases
because if it's only fifteen seconds,

1299
00:55:09,607 --> 00:55:10,998
typically you're still within,

1300
00:55:10,998 --> 00:55:14,222
hey, could you repeat that distance of
whoever said something?

1301
00:55:15,086 --> 00:55:21,438
I will say my wife and I were actually in
a classroom setting last night and my wife

1302
00:55:21,438 --> 00:55:23,299
turned to me and she said, What did they
say?

1303
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:24,800
Like the teacher up the front.

1304
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,101
And I did not hear it either. I did not
think of using live rewind.

1305
00:55:29,101 --> 00:55:31,201
I totally should have, but that would have
been a perfect use case.

1306
00:55:31,201 --> 00:55:33,303
So I I kind of have to remember that it's
there.

1307
00:55:33,683 --> 00:55:40,105
So that's live rewind. But I think the
more fascinating feature is Siri recaps.

1308
00:55:40,546 --> 00:55:44,267
So if you update, you go to the Apple
Watch app on your iPhone.

1309
00:55:45,261 --> 00:55:48,913
And this is in my 27.3 video. I'll link
this down in the show notes as well.

1310
00:55:49,433 --> 00:55:51,674
You can go to Siri Recap, you can enable
it.

1311
00:55:52,895 --> 00:55:55,677
It is off by default, so you do have to
enable it.

1312
00:55:55,677 --> 00:55:58,658
This is not just like on as soon as you
update to 27.3.

1313
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,360
So once you update, you turn this on.

1314
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,123
You can then choose to have Siri Recaps
triggered manually only.

1315
00:56:07,923 --> 00:56:10,124
You can also set location and time,

1316
00:56:10,685 --> 00:56:14,947
basically focuses, foci, to say only
recap.

1317
00:56:15,139 --> 00:56:18,221
at work or don't recap at home.

1318
00:56:18,521 --> 00:56:22,383
So you can have both options. You can say
start to recap at this location at this

1319
00:56:22,383 --> 00:56:25,485
time or stop recapping at this location in
this time.

1320
00:56:25,825 --> 00:56:31,177
So you can omit your home from any recaps
if you don't want any recaps from your

1321
00:56:31,177 --> 00:56:32,799
home. Or if you only want them at work,

1322
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:37,372
you can set that. So you have lots of
flexibility on how it's being recapped.

1323
00:56:37,732 --> 00:56:40,194
And on the Apple Watch, once you update,

1324
00:56:40,334 --> 00:56:42,637
there's a new control in the control
center and

1325
00:56:42,949 --> 00:56:47,963
Which is the little blue icon that looks
like it like a menu with a little arrow

1326
00:56:47,963 --> 00:56:51,815
kind of underlining it. That is the Siri
recap control on the Apple Watch that

1327
00:56:51,815 --> 00:56:56,368
you can manually enable and disable even
after you set the scheduling.

1328
00:56:56,529 --> 00:56:59,110
So if you just want to turn it off from
your watch quickly,

1329
00:56:59,251 --> 00:57:01,032
you can do that or you can turn it on.

1330
00:57:01,872 --> 00:57:06,496
Now I have had this going
twenty-four-seven for the last three days.

1331
00:57:07,136 --> 00:57:11,129
I cannot wait for the two-hour recap of
this podcast.

1332
00:57:11,737 --> 00:57:14,169
f from one side because

1333
00:57:14,532 --> 00:57:15,557
'Cause it can't hear me.

1334
00:57:15,847 --> 00:57:21,243
it can't hear me. It is actually recapping
and this has just been such a fascinating

1335
00:57:21,243 --> 00:57:27,517
experience. So this is my in the Siri app
you now get a recaps tab.

1336
00:57:27,898 --> 00:57:31,260
So you have Siri conversations and then
you have the recaps tab.

1337
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:35,463
And recaps are then separated by day and
time of day.

1338
00:57:35,743 --> 00:57:39,685
So I have Tuesday, Wednesday morning,

1339
00:57:39,685 --> 00:57:40,685
afternoon evening

1340
00:57:40,866 --> 00:57:45,567
And now you'll actually see there's a
progress for a recap that's been happening

1341
00:57:45,707 --> 00:57:49,888
for the past hour and a half. And that has
been my side of the conversation of this

1342
00:57:49,888 --> 00:57:53,209
podcast. A couple interesting tidbits
here.

1343
00:57:54,130 --> 00:58:00,071
Number one, it is dependent on the iPhone
to process these recaps

1344
00:58:00,231 --> 00:58:03,189
and do the summary. And yesterday,

1345
00:58:03,189 --> 00:58:04,869
my iPhone duo was getting warm.

1346
00:58:04,869 --> 00:58:07,853
A lot of people asked about battery life
with the Siri recaps on.

1347
00:58:08,273 --> 00:58:10,254
Apple Watch, I've not noticed a lot of
battery issues.

1348
00:58:10,808 --> 00:58:16,142
The phone, I think, is taking a hit
because I see it processing a lot.

1349
00:58:16,142 --> 00:58:21,405
And at one point yesterday, I had just
come from a meeting with somebody

1350
00:58:21,746 --> 00:58:25,248
and I got a recapping paused notification.

1351
00:58:25,548 --> 00:58:29,171
And it said recapping paused until iPhone
cools down.

1352
00:58:30,052 --> 00:58:33,944
And so there is a there must be a decent
amount of processing.

1353
00:58:33,944 --> 00:58:35,395
And Apple said this in their
documentation.

1354
00:58:35,616 --> 00:58:39,098
There's a lot of processing happening on
your iPhone specifically.

1355
00:58:39,550 --> 00:58:41,711
And then some to private cloud compute.

1356
00:58:42,131 --> 00:58:43,891
So it is going from the watch to the
iPhone,

1357
00:58:43,891 --> 00:58:46,572
private cloud compute to generate these
recaps.

1358
00:58:47,132 --> 00:58:52,894
I also wanted to mention Tim Chatten from
the iPad Pros podcast.

1359
00:58:53,254 --> 00:58:56,462
I was I've been tweeting about Siri recaps
everywhere for the last couple of days

1360
00:58:56,462 --> 00:58:57,475
because it's just fascinating.

1361
00:58:57,995 --> 00:59:02,917
He also updated his devices. And one of
the things that uh we said on this

1362
00:59:02,917 --> 00:59:04,657
podcast, and it wasn't clear until now,

1363
00:59:05,357 --> 00:59:07,918
is will you ever get Siri recaps?

1364
00:59:08,513 --> 00:59:10,805
If you are not near your phone,

1365
00:59:11,486 --> 00:59:15,839
because though it is the the watch phone
connection is required for these Siri

1366
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:18,921
recaps to be generated. And I thought,

1367
00:59:18,921 --> 00:59:20,433
well, if your phone is not around,

1368
00:59:20,653 --> 00:59:25,517
you will get no recaps. Tim said he had an
experience where he was away from

1369
00:59:25,517 --> 00:59:29,400
his iPhone for two hours, just had his
watch.

1370
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,722
And if you are away from your iPhone,

1371
00:59:31,722 --> 00:59:34,784
let's say you go for a walk, but you're
having a conversation on the walk with

1372
00:59:34,784 --> 00:59:36,846
somebody, and all you have is your Apple
Watch.

1373
00:59:37,122 --> 00:59:43,516
Series 12 or Ultra 4, there is apparently
enough buffer on the watch that

1374
00:59:43,516 --> 00:59:46,067
depending on its battery life and status,

1375
00:59:46,628 --> 00:59:53,331
it will hold the conversation on the watch
until you get back to your iPhone

1376
00:59:53,612 --> 00:59:55,913
and then offload it for processing.

1377
00:59:56,794 --> 01:00:01,136
So it is unclear the exact amount of time
that will happen,

1378
01:00:01,897 --> 01:00:04,238
but you can get Siri recaps.

1379
01:00:04,676 --> 01:00:08,838
For a certain amount of time, even if you
only have your watch with you.

1380
01:00:09,801 --> 01:00:10,801
Very interesting.

1381
01:00:10,862 --> 01:00:12,179
Do you know what that sounds a lot like?

1382
01:00:12,449 --> 01:00:13,307
What's that?

1383
01:00:13,307 --> 01:00:14,307
A recording.

1384
01:00:15,468 --> 01:00:17,639
Okay, Jason. I'm glad you said that.

1385
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,842
I'm glad you said that. oh

1386
01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:20,870
This what I'm here. This is why I'm an
award winning co host,

1387
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:21,842
Steven.

1388
01:00:21,842 --> 01:00:26,085
Because here's the thing. Apple went to
great lengths in the event,

1389
01:00:26,125 --> 01:00:29,448
in their documentation, in their press
releases,

1390
01:00:30,348 --> 01:00:32,630
to be very clear that this is not a
recording.

1391
01:00:33,551 --> 01:00:36,733
Because there is no speaker attribution,

1392
01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:38,604
so you never see who was speaking.

1393
01:00:39,096 --> 01:00:40,523
That's not what makes it not a recording,

1394
01:00:40,523 --> 01:00:42,190
just to be clear. Okay.

1395
01:00:40,738 --> 01:00:41,879
Okay, I know I know, but hold on.

1396
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:42,589
Hold

1397
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:46,762
on. They say, and it is true, there is no
full transcript.

1398
01:00:47,583 --> 01:00:52,006
Like, even I have recaps, which it tells
you the amount of time the recap was.

1399
01:00:52,326 --> 01:00:55,708
And I have recaps, like, oh, I just got
the recap for our podcast.

1400
01:00:56,269 --> 01:00:58,010
Apple Hardware and Podcast Production.

1401
01:00:56,484 --> 01:00:59,716
Are we are we done? Okay.

1402
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:59,671
Apparently we're done. Apparently we're
done.

1403
01:00:59,898 --> 01:01:00,339
See ya.

1404
01:01:00,011 --> 01:01:00,391
90

1405
01:01:00,391 --> 01:01:01,902
minutes, it was like, you're done.

1406
01:01:01,902 --> 01:01:07,076
Okay. Uh one, they disappear after seven
days unless you manually save it.

1407
01:01:07,876 --> 01:01:09,838
And I've been saving every recap,

1408
01:01:09,838 --> 01:01:10,838
just for the record.

1409
01:01:11,495 --> 01:01:15,577
Uh here's our Siri recap for our the
one-sided conversation we've been having.

1410
01:01:15,797 --> 01:01:17,557
It is longer than my other recaps.

1411
01:01:17,897 --> 01:01:20,298
It does it has a good amount of
information.

1412
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:24,790
But so it doesn't, there's no full
transcript.

1413
01:01:24,790 --> 01:01:28,101
You can't just see a full transcript of
what was processed,

1414
01:01:29,042 --> 01:01:31,062
and there is no audio recording.

1415
01:01:31,062 --> 01:01:33,923
There is no audio file accessible to you
or anyone else.

1416
01:01:34,124 --> 01:01:36,924
So there is no audio file, no full
transcript.

1417
01:01:37,185 --> 01:01:40,916
And that is why Apple says there is no
recording.

1418
01:01:41,304 --> 01:01:44,755
No audio recording, which is technically
accurate.

1419
01:01:45,815 --> 01:01:52,678
But this is a big but. After I now have 18
Siri recaps

1420
01:01:52,678 --> 01:01:58,119
from the last three days. And sometimes I
forgot it was even running.

1421
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,141
And I've had personal conversations,

1422
01:02:02,301 --> 01:02:04,922
conversations with my spouse, with my
kids,

1423
01:02:05,334 --> 01:02:06,334
uh uh

1424
01:02:06,834 --> 01:02:11,457
All the conversations and to see the level
of detail and information that

1425
01:02:11,457 --> 01:02:16,159
it processes and saves is wild.

1426
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,461
And while it does not name speakers,

1427
01:02:19,842 --> 01:02:22,423
so you can't tell who was in the
conversation.

1428
01:02:22,824 --> 01:02:25,865
Obviously, I am one of them in every
conversation because I'm wearing

1429
01:02:25,865 --> 01:02:28,107
the watch, but it can't know who you're
speaking to.

1430
01:02:29,267 --> 01:02:33,890
Apple says it will r omit certain um.

1431
01:02:35,188 --> 01:02:36,829
sensitive information like bank account
numbers,

1432
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:39,581
whatever, it is not omitting names right
now.

1433
01:02:39,981 --> 01:02:42,003
So if names were mentioned in the
conversation,

1434
01:02:42,023 --> 01:02:44,264
I said someone's name, someone else said
someone's name,

1435
01:02:44,545 --> 01:02:46,926
those names are right in all the recaps,

1436
01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:52,870
very clearly. And it has nailed every name
that uh that we have said.

1437
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:59,014
So that's interesting. And it has pulled
even brief conversations,

1438
01:02:59,755 --> 01:03:03,758
details that are both useful and wild.

1439
01:03:04,654 --> 01:03:06,775
that had picked this up that clearly.

1440
01:03:07,496 --> 01:03:12,779
And for one example, I was talking to my
oldest son Jordan.

1441
01:03:13,121 --> 01:03:18,986
He had mentioned he had found some game uh
mentioned about space for the Oculus,

1442
01:03:19,486 --> 01:03:21,066
and we just had a quick conversation.

1443
01:03:21,888 --> 01:03:24,070
And would I remember the name of that
game?

1444
01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:25,821
Maybe not. I did not write anything down.

1445
01:03:25,821 --> 01:03:27,532
I asked him to text it text it to me.

1446
01:03:27,933 --> 01:03:31,135
But I got a Siri recap of that entire
conversation.

1447
01:03:31,936 --> 01:03:33,017
The name of the game

1448
01:03:33,827 --> 01:03:36,398
The cost of the game, where to buy it,

1449
01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:39,440
little details about the game that he was
telling me,

1450
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,581
all in that Siri recap. And I tested this
yesterday.

1451
01:03:44,262 --> 01:03:46,823
It could Siri AI, if I ask it,

1452
01:03:47,683 --> 01:03:52,866
it indexes these recaps so it can pull
that information from it,

1453
01:03:53,046 --> 01:03:54,667
from me, like all these recaps.

1454
01:03:54,667 --> 01:03:55,707
So I could say something like,

1455
01:03:56,287 --> 01:03:59,829
What was that game that we talked about
about space the other day?

1456
01:04:01,337 --> 01:04:04,700
You know, no context. I didn't even tell
it to look at my text messages or email.

1457
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:08,123
It worked the last time I asked Siri AI
this yesterday,

1458
01:04:08,123 --> 01:04:09,444
so we'll see how it does this time.

1459
01:04:10,024 --> 01:04:13,967
But it pulled it up.

1460
01:04:15,008 --> 01:04:18,731
So it nailed it. It got it. So it is
pulling from those Siri recaps

1461
01:04:18,892 --> 01:04:23,015
and indexing it just like it does all your
other personal context.

1462
01:04:24,717 --> 01:04:29,480
It's fascinating. I totally see this could
be really,

1463
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:30,480
really useful.

1464
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:33,828
I met with a guy yesterday to sell my
eighteen pro max,

1465
01:04:33,828 --> 01:04:36,039
which eventually we'll get to in this
episode.

1466
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:37,900
And I was telling him about the features.

1467
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:38,990
He actually watches the channel.

1468
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:40,921
It was kind of a cool thing. Anyway.

1469
01:04:41,882 --> 01:04:43,149
I was telling him about the features and
he was like,

1470
01:04:43,149 --> 01:04:46,224
you know, I'm a lawyer. I have a lot of
meetings with clients.

1471
01:04:46,344 --> 01:04:49,685
This would be really, really useful to
have recaps and be able to refer to this

1472
01:04:49,685 --> 01:04:52,176
information after the fact. Obviously in
the legal sense,

1473
01:04:52,176 --> 01:04:54,067
you have to be able to disclose all this
stuff,

1474
01:04:54,187 --> 01:04:56,428
and we'll get to the disclosing part in a
minute.

1475
01:04:56,828 --> 01:04:58,369
But it could be really, really useful.

1476
01:04:59,812 --> 01:05:02,103
We have also had some private
conversations.

1477
01:05:03,444 --> 01:05:05,005
Private conversations I had with my
spouse,

1478
01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:09,208
with my kids, sometimes talking about
issues happening wherever.

1479
01:05:10,188 --> 01:05:11,569
I got recaps of all that stuff too.

1480
01:05:11,930 --> 01:05:15,362
Like it is if you tell it to recap twenty
four seven,

1481
01:05:15,362 --> 01:05:16,692
it is gonna recap twenty four seven.

1482
01:05:16,933 --> 01:05:19,624
And I have a recap of pretty much every
conversation I've had with every person

1483
01:05:19,624 --> 01:05:22,356
in the last three days. They didn't know
that.

1484
01:05:23,297 --> 01:05:24,297
They don't know that.

1485
01:05:24,577 --> 01:05:26,813
They do now, if any of listen to the show.

1486
01:05:26,147 --> 01:05:27,277
They not have the listen the show.

1487
01:05:28,138 --> 01:05:33,801
That is feels weird. And that's where I
feel like all the distinctions that Apple

1488
01:05:33,801 --> 01:05:35,411
was explaining about how it's not
recording,

1489
01:05:35,411 --> 01:05:37,002
you don't get a transcript, you don't get
autophile.

1490
01:05:37,462 --> 01:05:40,484
If I showed someone these recaps of our
conversation,

1491
01:05:40,904 --> 01:05:41,964
they'd be creeped out, I think.

1492
01:05:42,037 --> 01:05:43,005
I think they'd be creeped

1493
01:05:42,657 --> 01:05:43,068
Yeah, n

1494
01:05:43,068 --> 01:05:44,391
they would be super creeped out,

1495
01:05:44,812 --> 01:05:47,317
but ca I'm sorry, go ahead, you can
finish.

1496
01:05:47,371 --> 01:05:48,031
No, no, no. I

1497
01:05:48,031 --> 01:05:49,972
I I will just the last thing I'll say,

1498
01:05:49,972 --> 01:05:51,343
and then I want to hear your thoughts.

1499
01:05:52,583 --> 01:05:59,126
There is 100% going to be umteen examples
of couples

1500
01:05:59,446 --> 01:06:06,109
arguing and referring to the Siri recap
later to prove themselves right or wrong.

1501
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:08,650
And it is gonna be super awkward.

1502
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:11,311
And let me just say, if you're out there,

1503
01:06:11,311 --> 01:06:12,516
and I'm say if you're a dude out there,

1504
01:06:12,516 --> 01:06:13,892
because it's probably gonna be a dude
doing it,

1505
01:06:14,132 --> 01:06:16,053
if you refer to a Siri recap.

1506
01:06:16,397 --> 01:06:19,359
To prove your partner or spouse wrong,

1507
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:24,141
not good. Don't do that. You

1508
01:06:21,707 --> 01:06:23,654
You got whatever's coming to you at that
point.

1509
01:06:24,141 --> 01:06:26,963
got whatever's coming to you and I would
not recommend.

1510
01:06:26,963 --> 01:06:30,785
So, like, just in the last three days
seeing these serial recaps,

1511
01:06:31,306 --> 01:06:34,567
I see the ramifications, I see the use
cases,

1512
01:06:34,968 --> 01:06:36,548
and I don't even know what I think about
it yet.

1513
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:37,829
How do you feel?

1514
01:06:38,103 --> 01:06:38,403
Well,

1515
01:06:38,403 --> 01:06:39,944
I already wrote an article about how I
feel,

1516
01:06:39,944 --> 01:06:41,974
but I do want to back and I will get to
that in a second,

1517
01:06:41,974 --> 01:06:48,426
but I want to back up. Just because Apple
says there's no transcript or speaker

1518
01:06:48,426 --> 01:06:50,847
identification, it does not mean there's
not a recording.

1519
01:06:51,487 --> 01:06:54,068
And they went to great pains to say there
is not a recording.

1520
01:06:54,828 --> 01:06:56,708
But then you just described a recording.

1521
01:06:57,529 --> 01:07:00,609
The per if it is saving the Well,

1522
01:06:57,731 --> 01:07:00,481
Listen, it is semantics. It's semantics.

1523
01:07:00,503 --> 01:07:00,925
I get it.

1524
01:07:00,609 --> 01:07:01,110
no, but this

1525
01:07:01,110 --> 01:07:02,870
is actually more than semantics.

1526
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:04,571
It is going to become an incredi,

1527
01:07:04,571 --> 01:07:05,571
incredibly important thing.

1528
01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:09,768
Because now it may not be a user
accessible recording,

1529
01:07:09,988 --> 01:07:14,572
but if it is storing information and maybe
it's just immediately converting

1530
01:07:14,572 --> 01:07:16,684
it to bits, like you know, whatever,

1531
01:07:16,481 --> 01:07:18,018
Right. Ones and zeros.

1532
01:07:19,076 --> 01:07:23,950
fine, maybe that's the case. But those
things could still be like there

1533
01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:28,974
is you know, we've already seen Apple get
pressured to provide a backdoor into

1534
01:07:29,396 --> 01:07:32,438
iOS, we've seen this multiple times and
Apple refused to do that,

1535
01:07:32,438 --> 01:07:35,330
and that's great. And I under and I
respect the way that they have built these

1536
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:41,263
features. But the reality is if you're I
if you're if you can use this feature,

1537
01:07:41,263 --> 01:07:44,535
even if your Apple Watch is away from your
phone for a while and then it will sync

1538
01:07:44,535 --> 01:07:47,427
the data up later, your Apple Watch is
storing the data,

1539
01:07:47,567 --> 01:07:51,449
which is different than what Apple has
said is happening in this scenario.

1540
01:07:51,449 --> 01:07:53,310
And so that I think is an important
distinction.

1541
01:07:53,310 --> 01:07:55,321
I'm not saying Apple's lying. That's not
my point at all.

1542
01:07:55,321 --> 01:07:55,822
My point

1543
01:07:55,491 --> 01:07:55,822
Yeah.

1544
01:07:55,822 --> 01:07:56,822
is

1545
01:07:56,866 --> 01:08:00,858
That is a different story than the one
Apple wants to craft around this

1546
01:08:00,858 --> 01:08:04,640
particular feature. And I think that
that's in some ways problematic because

1547
01:08:05,641 --> 01:08:08,263
even if that information is not accessible
to someone,

1548
01:08:08,263 --> 01:08:10,154
meaning you they can't just high fix it,

1549
01:08:10,154 --> 01:08:12,635
can't crack open your Apple watch and pull
out the ones and zeros,

1550
01:08:12,635 --> 01:08:14,046
like that's not a thing that can happen.

1551
01:08:14,526 --> 01:08:17,358
There will be pressure for Apple.

1552
01:08:17,603 --> 01:08:17,954
Hm.

1553
01:08:17,954 --> 01:08:22,800
To expose that stored data in situations
if people are walking around with watches

1554
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,533
that are literally listening all of the
time,

1555
01:08:25,813 --> 01:08:28,366
right? I think that's important thing to
acknowledge.

1556
01:08:28,695 --> 01:08:30,747
And I I'm gonna link this again.

1557
01:08:31,027 --> 01:08:33,209
This is Apple's privacy document,

1558
01:08:33,770 --> 01:08:38,553
and it shows the step by step process for
Siri recaps.

1559
01:08:39,134 --> 01:08:42,677
Number one, audio stream during speech
detection.

1560
01:08:43,358 --> 01:08:50,094
It says accessible to no one. Raw audio is
processed on device and discarded in real

1561
01:08:50,094 --> 01:08:52,365
time. Seemingly the watch.

1562
01:08:52,568 --> 01:08:53,568
But that's not the case.

1563
01:08:54,087 --> 01:08:56,259
Number two, well, number two.

1564
01:08:56,171 --> 01:08:56,597
It

1565
01:08:56,597 --> 01:08:57,832
it stored it though.

1566
01:08:58,350 --> 01:08:59,601
But here's the thing. Step number two,

1567
01:08:59,601 --> 01:09:01,512
buffered audio on Apple Watch,

1568
01:09:01,912 --> 01:09:04,454
where it's processed, the secure exclave,

1569
01:09:04,774 --> 01:09:10,098
accessible to no one. Raw audio is
isolated in secure compartment.

1570
01:09:10,578 --> 01:09:14,080
Then step three, buffered audio on iPhone.

1571
01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:17,452
Secure exclave on iPhone after being
transmitted,

1572
01:09:17,452 --> 01:09:21,305
encrypted from Apple Watch. This is still
accessible to no one.

1573
01:09:21,405 --> 01:09:24,647
Raw audio is isolated in secure
compartment.

1574
01:09:25,168 --> 01:09:27,479
Then it goes to a condensed text.

1575
01:09:27,661 --> 01:09:31,603
version that is transferred from the
iPhone to private cloud compute.

1576
01:09:32,303 --> 01:09:36,225
And that again only accessible to you
because that becomes the recap.

1577
01:09:36,725 --> 01:09:41,767
So Apple is not hiding the fact like there
is an audio stream and there is an audio

1578
01:09:42,127 --> 01:09:43,728
file, for lack of a better word,

1579
01:09:44,368 --> 01:09:48,530
always in the secure exclave, from the
secure exclave on Apple Watch

1580
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:50,431
to the secure exclave on iPhone.

1581
01:09:50,771 --> 01:09:56,073
And there it is condensed and processed by
iPhone to private cloud compute.

1582
01:09:57,369 --> 01:09:59,836
So to your point, on the watch,

1583
01:09:59,897 --> 01:10:01,311
yes, there lives audio.

1584
01:10:01,780 --> 01:10:04,078
And that audio is then streamed to your
phone.

1585
01:10:05,271 --> 01:10:06,850
Yeah, I fe yeah, streamed.

1586
01:10:07,182 --> 01:10:08,836
Well, it is sent to your phone.

1587
01:10:08,836 --> 01:10:09,853
Mr what I mean

1588
01:10:08,983 --> 01:10:09,856
I I feel like it's important

1589
01:10:09,856 --> 01:10:12,807
to state like it can't be intercepted
because it is encrypted.

1590
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:14,273
You know, it's not like

1591
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:14,662
Well, that's

1592
01:10:14,662 --> 01:10:16,997
d not to be not to be semantics here,

1593
01:10:16,997 --> 01:10:18,651
but like that d that's not the same thing.

1594
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,400
It can be it hypothetically could be
intercepted if it's we're going over

1595
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,174
Bluetooth. It just would be gibberish.

1596
01:10:25,751 --> 01:10:27,783
Right. So it would not be readable.

1597
01:10:28,784 --> 01:10:33,607
Someone could not see the or hear the
audio that it was cap that captured.

1598
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,741
Yeah. So, okay. But

1599
01:10:33,666 --> 01:10:35,689
It was captured. Yeah.

1600
01:10:35,741 --> 01:10:38,542
Apple has spent I just texted you my
article from when they announced this

1601
01:10:38,542 --> 01:10:39,713
feature. You can just put it in the links.

1602
01:10:39,713 --> 01:10:41,024
We don't have to go over too much,

1603
01:10:40,664 --> 01:10:41,396
Yeah, yeah, I will, yeah.

1604
01:10:41,024 --> 01:10:41,804
except for

1605
01:10:41,804 --> 01:10:45,446
Apple has spent years fighting against the
impression that your devices are listening

1606
01:10:45,446 --> 01:10:47,306
to you and now they just made it a
feature.

1607
01:10:48,047 --> 01:10:53,189
And I don't think, Steven, that if the
solution to yes,

1608
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:54,950
I'm just getting these recaps of my
meetings,

1609
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:57,211
but it's totally fine. Here's a support
article,

1610
01:10:57,211 --> 01:10:58,752
I don't think that that's going to work.

1611
01:11:00,153 --> 01:11:05,334
Because w only thing anyone is going to
know is on Steven's iPhone Duo,

1612
01:11:05,394 --> 01:11:08,195
there's a recap of the conversation that
we just had.

1613
01:11:09,295 --> 01:11:13,656
And it is in this is I that means there's
a recording.

1614
01:11:13,656 --> 01:11:16,697
That means there's a trance. All of those
things may not be true.

1615
01:11:16,833 --> 01:11:18,218
I don't think that that matters,

1616
01:11:18,218 --> 01:11:23,269
Steven. You were telling us in the
pre-show about how much you're looking

1617
01:11:23,269 --> 01:11:26,069
forward to explaining what's happening to
your spouse,

1618
01:11:26,069 --> 01:11:28,100
the person who in this world loves you the
most.

1619
01:11:28,362 --> 01:11:32,114
Imagine explaining that to your boss or to
a colleague or to a coworker

1620
01:11:32,294 --> 01:11:35,875
or to the soccer coach that you get out a
Siri recap because they were yelling

1621
01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:38,937
at all the players. Like, I don't think
that this is a good idea.

1622
01:11:39,477 --> 01:11:46,270
It may be super useful, but I don't think
it's a I don't think I think it's going

1623
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:50,552
to be very hard for Apple and for users to
get over the perception of what

1624
01:11:50,552 --> 01:11:55,104
is actually happening here. And you're
gonna talk about it.

1625
01:11:55,766 --> 01:11:58,999
It's a it's it's I think it's incredibly
problematic that it's not disclosed.

1626
01:11:58,999 --> 01:12:00,090
Because and people are like, Well,

1627
01:12:00,090 --> 01:12:01,381
your phone could do this forever.

1628
01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:04,964
Yes. But when it when I'm using my phone
to do this,

1629
01:12:04,964 --> 01:12:06,445
I'm setting my phone out on the counter,

1630
01:12:06,445 --> 01:12:09,968
there's at least a visual signal to
someone that this is being recorded.

1631
01:12:10,368 --> 01:12:12,530
Or every time I interview someone,

1632
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:16,023
the first thing I say is, Are you okay if
I record this for my own purposes?

1633
01:12:16,023 --> 01:12:17,484
I'm not gonna release the recording,

1634
01:12:17,484 --> 01:12:19,055
and then they just have to trust me on
that.

1635
01:12:19,116 --> 01:12:23,659
But these are like PR professionals and
CEOs who are very used to these kinds

1636
01:12:23,659 --> 01:12:24,440
of things.

1637
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,985
The random person you're having a
conversation with,

1638
01:12:27,165 --> 01:12:28,618
they're gonna be like, You're gonna what?

1639
01:12:29,602 --> 01:12:33,915
So just as an example, I'm looking at the
recap of our conversation right now,

1640
01:12:33,915 --> 01:12:37,257
which again is only one sided because it
can only hear me.

1641
01:12:37,498 --> 01:12:39,139
You know, it can't hear anything Jason's
saying.

1642
01:12:39,659 --> 01:12:41,781
It did like even our pre-show for our
members,

1643
01:12:41,781 --> 01:12:46,648
the unedited feed, we talked about the
store stockchecker.com to get an iPhone.

1644
01:12:46,648 --> 01:12:50,367
Like it picked that up. Like I have that
domain right here and it's tappable.

1645
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:57,332
Like it is very good at picking up key
details and giving them to me in this

1646
01:12:57,332 --> 01:12:58,332
recap.

1647
01:12:59,113 --> 01:13:00,713
Unlike the live rewind feature,

1648
01:13:00,713 --> 01:13:04,234
which has an audible ding, and we can
argue that that's really not a f great

1649
01:13:04,234 --> 01:13:06,375
disclosure. It's 15 seconds, whatever.

1650
01:13:07,475 --> 01:13:12,176
The Siri recap, I mean, I forgot at times
that it was doing it.

1651
01:13:12,936 --> 01:13:13,687
Like I

1652
01:13:13,252 --> 01:13:13,687
Yeah.

1653
01:13:13,687 --> 01:13:15,137
was talking to my wife last night,

1654
01:13:15,557 --> 01:13:17,453
and it was only after we stopped our
conversation I was like,

1655
01:13:17,697 --> 01:13:19,038
I'm gonna get a Siri recap of that.

1656
01:13:19,578 --> 01:13:21,938
That's weird. Like, that's weird.

1657
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:24,649
And yes, you can set it to do whatever,

1658
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:27,840
but you like this will eventually be.

1659
01:13:28,404 --> 01:13:33,297
on everyone's Apple Watch. And you will
not know who has it running twenty four

1660
01:13:33,297 --> 01:13:34,827
seven. And like to your point,

1661
01:13:35,148 --> 01:13:40,590
there are a lot of paranoid corporate type
managers that are gonna be like,

1662
01:13:40,811 --> 01:13:45,153
show me your Apple Watch. Show me your
control center on your Apple Watch

1663
01:13:45,413 --> 01:13:47,554
and turn off the recaps. Like

1664
01:13:46,883 --> 01:13:48,271
Well, they're just gonna make you leave it
outside the room.

1665
01:13:49,055 --> 01:13:51,446
Yeah, they might they might just make you
take off the Apple Watch.

1666
01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:51,610
I mean that's easier than

1667
01:13:51,610 --> 01:13:54,509
show me your control center. Like people
no one's gonna go through

1668
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:54,509
No Apple watches.

1669
01:13:54,509 --> 01:13:55,995
that extent. They're just gonna be like,

1670
01:13:55,995 --> 01:13:57,057
You gotta leave that outside.

1671
01:13:57,366 --> 01:14:00,578
Yeah. And that is a new problem.

1672
01:14:01,038 --> 01:14:06,301
That is a new issue. And like I get
there's a bunch of devices,

1673
01:14:06,836 --> 01:14:12,115
AI wearables, that have come on the market
the last couple of years,

1674
01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:17,708
plawed Amazon's B, whatever. Like this is
a category of product,

1675
01:14:18,869 --> 01:14:20,910
but it's been a category of product.

1676
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:24,632
And now the Apple Watch has added this
capability.

1677
01:14:25,288 --> 01:14:27,429
on a category of product that not
previously had it.

1678
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:32,690
The Apple Watch was never a AI recap type
device,

1679
01:14:33,249 --> 01:14:36,691
but but now it is. And a lot of people
wear Apple Watches.

1680
01:14:37,891 --> 01:14:39,052
And it's going to be interesting.

1681
01:14:39,092 --> 01:14:42,733
There's also, it conflates conversations.

1682
01:14:43,493 --> 01:14:50,355
So there's been times where I was
listening to a podcast in the car and then

1683
01:14:50,355 --> 01:14:53,876
got out of the car and started having a
conversation with someone and it will

1684
01:14:53,896 --> 01:14:54,679
recap

1685
01:14:54,679 --> 01:14:59,532
Both the podcast and the conversation in
one and give me like a recap as if it were

1686
01:14:58,477 --> 01:15:01,570
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause it's just listening to
audio.

1687
01:14:59,532 --> 01:15:00,532
one conversation.

1688
01:15:02,154 --> 01:15:03,735
And it's just grouping it by time.

1689
01:15:03,995 --> 01:15:05,896
So if it happened within 30 minutes,

1690
01:15:05,896 --> 01:15:07,618
me in the car getting out and then,

1691
01:15:07,898 --> 01:15:09,359
you know, doing something else,

1692
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:14,282
like it will just show you. And if you
played a podcast

1693
01:15:14,502 --> 01:15:21,287
or uh any music, you'll actually see what
podcasts and music

1694
01:15:21,287 --> 01:15:23,058
you listen to during that time.

1695
01:15:23,734 --> 01:15:26,046
Which is interesting. That's interesting.

1696
01:15:26,897 --> 01:15:29,829
you know, it would be cool if this kind of
played into journaling.

1697
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:34,574
Actually, you know, put some of that
information automatically in a journal,

1698
01:15:34,574 --> 01:15:36,936
maybe. But that also means like,

1699
01:15:36,996 --> 01:15:40,659
I don't know, you could journal some of
that stuff automatically and that might

1700
01:15:40,659 --> 01:15:42,202
be weird. I don't know. I don't know,

1701
01:15:42,202 --> 01:15:44,583
man. I'm interested I'm interested.

1702
01:15:44,583 --> 01:15:48,166
I wanted to show you. Here was the um at
the bottom of this series recap

1703
01:15:48,166 --> 01:15:49,197
of a conversation I had at lunch,

1704
01:15:49,197 --> 01:15:50,666
it shows both a YouTube video and

1705
01:15:51,146 --> 01:15:55,978
a podcast and or two podcasts uh played
during this conversation.

1706
01:15:56,618 --> 01:16:01,340
And then I was sitting in my car at my
daughter's recital or not uh dance

1707
01:16:01,340 --> 01:16:07,043
rehearsal and the uh I was watching Snazzy
Lab's iPhone Duo video,

1708
01:16:07,343 --> 01:16:10,140
Quinn's video in my sc on my screen in the
car,

1709
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:11,885
and it was just playing in the car
loudspeakers.

1710
01:16:11,925 --> 01:16:14,066
I got a full series recap on his on his
video.

1711
01:16:14,386 --> 01:16:16,957
Because it's just, you know, it just hears
the audio going on in the room.

1712
01:16:16,957 --> 01:16:17,887
And if it sounds like talking,

1713
01:16:17,887 --> 01:16:19,688
it's going to capture it. And

1714
01:16:20,554 --> 01:16:22,805
It is it is weird and interesting.

1715
01:16:22,805 --> 01:16:25,895
I'm gonna be keeping it on for a long term
thing.

1716
01:16:25,895 --> 01:16:30,407
I will eventually, I think, turn it off
after a certain time.

1717
01:16:31,367 --> 01:16:33,467
I think and maybe not at home.

1718
01:16:34,148 --> 01:16:36,978
But also like the little conversation I
have with my son about the game that

1719
01:16:36,978 --> 01:16:38,149
I would want to refer to later.

1720
01:16:38,569 --> 01:16:41,030
I'm thinking maybe like starting at ten
PM,

1721
01:16:41,290 --> 01:16:45,761
no more recaps, and then only starting
again till like seven AM and seeing

1722
01:16:45,761 --> 01:16:50,082
how that feels. But it is a fascinating
new wrinkle.

1723
01:16:50,752 --> 01:16:52,715
in this stuff. And I don't know.

1724
01:16:52,915 --> 01:16:56,270
I don't know. I'd be curious how people in
your like real people outside the tech

1725
01:16:56,270 --> 01:17:00,055
bubble in your space react to this and how
other everybody reacts.

1726
01:17:00,055 --> 01:17:01,928
I think it's gonna be it's gonna be
interesting.

1727
01:17:02,224 --> 01:17:04,466
Yeah, I mean again, I think it could be
super useful.

1728
01:17:04,466 --> 01:17:05,297
I also just am

1729
01:17:05,125 --> 01:17:05,297
yeah.

1730
01:17:05,297 --> 01:17:08,810
not sure it should exist. And I feel like
it is one of those things where people

1731
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:09,657
were in a room and they're like,

1732
01:17:09,657 --> 01:17:11,722
What are some AI features we could roll
out?

1733
01:17:12,102 --> 01:17:16,806
Hey, here's the thing we could do without
really considering d that's gonna cost

1734
01:17:16,806 --> 01:17:19,188
you. Do you really want to pay that cost?

1735
01:17:19,188 --> 01:17:23,332
'Cause you've literally spent a decade
trying to convince people that their phone

1736
01:17:23,512 --> 01:17:27,846
isn't listening to them. And now all you
did is make it easier for them to think,

1737
01:17:27,820 --> 01:17:28,100
Yeah.

1738
01:17:27,846 --> 01:17:28,196
Well, my

1739
01:17:28,196 --> 01:17:29,196
watch is

1740
01:17:29,641 --> 01:17:36,452
Yeah. And there's gonna be a bunch of like
local news stories probably of you know,

1741
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:38,333
there's a lot of I I forget what it's
called,

1742
01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:42,994
but like I feel like local news they'll do
like the seven on your side type stories

1743
01:17:42,994 --> 01:17:47,526
where they try to, you know, talk about
businesses that might have poor practices

1744
01:17:47,546 --> 01:17:51,117
or whatever. And, you know, people get
real defensive when you hold up your phone

1745
01:17:51,117 --> 01:17:53,547
and start taking a video. But I imagine,

1746
01:17:53,687 --> 01:17:55,928
you know, a year from now there's gonna be
a bunch of

1747
01:17:56,898 --> 01:18:00,937
You know, people who had a bad experience
at a store or restaurant and

1748
01:18:00,937 --> 01:18:05,988
go to the local news with their Siri recap
and it will be used as social proof.

1749
01:18:06,871 --> 01:18:07,619
You know what I mean?

1750
01:18:07,619 --> 01:18:09,030
Well, except for this is interesting,

1751
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:12,331
and I think that this is this is sort of
the dilemma that Apple is in,

1752
01:18:12,331 --> 01:18:14,594
because you cannot verify any of it.

1753
01:18:15,875 --> 01:18:21,109
You can we already know the prevailing
expectation

1754
01:18:21,109 --> 01:18:25,502
of all AI tools is that they hallucinate
and make up stuff.

1755
01:18:25,683 --> 01:18:29,095
And so there is yes, your memory might be
honey,

1756
01:18:29,095 --> 01:18:32,187
this is what you said, and the Siri recap
might be this is what you said,

1757
01:18:32,187 --> 01:18:34,209
but it's pretty easy to dismiss and be
like,

1758
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:35,910
No, what are you talking about?

1759
01:18:36,030 --> 01:18:38,471
And it's one thing when it's just the two
of you having an argument.

1760
01:18:38,471 --> 01:18:40,322
I'm not suggesting you argue with your
wife a lot.

1761
01:18:40,322 --> 01:18:42,884
That's not my point. It's a totally
different thing when you go to

1762
01:18:42,884 --> 01:18:46,086
the the man the general manager at the
restaurant and you're like,

1763
01:18:46,086 --> 01:18:48,087
Can you believe that this is what the
server said?

1764
01:18:48,087 --> 01:18:49,638
And it's like, What do you what even is
this?

1765
01:18:49,638 --> 01:18:50,699
I don't know what you're talking about.

1766
01:18:50,699 --> 01:18:54,621
Well, my watch recorded it. Get out of my
restaurant and never come back.

1767
01:18:56,002 --> 01:18:58,571
Yeah. That's me. Yeah.

1768
01:18:56,784 --> 01:18:58,636
So I don't know, like you can't this isn't

1769
01:18:58,636 --> 01:19:01,759
gonna be something I don't think that
could be possibly admissible in court

1770
01:19:01,799 --> 01:19:04,061
because what is the fundamentals

1771
01:19:02,656 --> 01:19:03,656
No, no.

1772
01:19:04,061 --> 01:19:06,473
behind all of this? There there's it's
none of it.

1773
01:19:06,473 --> 01:19:10,317
Like it's just unless you're willing to
expose the raw audio

1774
01:19:10,317 --> 01:19:13,430
and the raw transcript, there's no way to
verify if the summary is accurate.

1775
01:19:13,782 --> 01:19:15,993
Right. This is gonna be fascinating.

1776
01:19:16,033 --> 01:19:18,154
You I had people in my shortcuts community
during a live stream,

1777
01:19:18,154 --> 01:19:22,567
I was doing kind of an in depth look at
this and for people who would like

1778
01:19:22,567 --> 01:19:25,458
to augment their memory, maybe they
struggle to remember things.

1779
01:19:25,618 --> 01:19:27,159
I think this could be really positive,

1780
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:29,720
really useful. someone, you know,

1781
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,802
maybe on the early stages of some
diseases,

1782
01:19:33,122 --> 01:19:36,104
this could be useful, but there is a cost.

1783
01:19:36,104 --> 01:19:40,186
Like there's a cost to it. And I I'm I'm
just very curious.

1784
01:19:40,186 --> 01:19:42,037
You know, this might come out publicly in
December.

1785
01:19:42,465 --> 01:19:45,077
27.3 with these features. We'll see.

1786
01:19:45,137 --> 01:19:48,579
This this is gonna be an ongoing uh we'll
return to this topic again,

1787
01:19:48,599 --> 01:19:49,200
I am sure.

1788
01:19:48,879 --> 01:19:49,660
Yeah.

1789
01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:51,862
Wild. Have a have a fake argument with
your wife.

1790
01:19:51,862 --> 01:19:54,824
Let us know how it goes.

1791
01:19:52,505 --> 01:19:54,635
Have a fake. No.

1792
01:19:54,824 --> 01:19:57,025
Just see what the recap is. So all right,

1793
01:19:57,025 --> 01:20:02,129
the other thing in 27.3 that's huge is
Siri AI is getting more superpowers.

1794
01:20:02,589 --> 01:20:06,792
Apple posted this news for a developer
preview,

1795
01:20:07,192 --> 01:20:10,775
but Siri AI can now it's introducing
skills.

1796
01:20:11,147 --> 01:20:15,359
So if you're accustomed to like AI and
LLMs having like skills and instructions

1797
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:21,453
for things, third-party app developers can
now give Siri AI skills even

1798
01:20:21,453 --> 01:20:28,316
for multi-step actions so users can use it
with Siri AI and surface

1799
01:20:28,517 --> 01:20:32,058
any entity to spotlight and the semantic
index.

1800
01:20:32,227 --> 01:20:36,821
You know, we had uh Ryan on from the Food
Noms app on a special episode a couple

1801
01:20:36,821 --> 01:20:40,345
months ago, and he talked about Siri AI
had to

1802
01:20:40,567 --> 01:20:45,680
Put apps in one of like 12 boxes and you
have to fit the schema of like a task

1803
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,182
app or a journaling app. And there are
many apps out there that don't fit those

1804
01:20:49,182 --> 01:20:52,814
boxes cleanly. Well, Apple is opening it
up and saying,

1805
01:20:52,874 --> 01:20:54,415
if it doesn't fit an existing schema,

1806
01:20:54,715 --> 01:20:58,297
you can dictate the entities, the
information.

1807
01:20:58,498 --> 01:21:00,479
And this is gonna make Siri AI way more
powerful.

1808
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,000
Even right now in the 27.3 beta,

1809
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,082
with Apple's own apps, there's way more
capabilities.

1810
01:21:06,562 --> 01:21:07,733
You can just ask it.

1811
01:21:08,308 --> 01:21:11,791
Organize the files in my downloads folder
and it will just do it.

1812
01:21:12,351 --> 01:21:16,154
Yes, that is a thing that Cloud Cowork and
ChatGPT Codex could do for a long time,

1813
01:21:16,355 --> 01:21:19,957
but now the built-in assistant on your
phone can do it on a folder,

1814
01:21:19,957 --> 01:21:24,721
which is wild. I'm going to link this Mac
Stories article because Federico Vittici

1815
01:21:24,721 --> 01:21:29,645
goes into detail uh both about what the
skills look like for Siri behind

1816
01:21:29,645 --> 01:21:35,259
the scenes and also some of the multi-step
things you could do with Siri AI right

1817
01:21:35,259 --> 01:21:37,161
now. You can even schedule a

1818
01:21:37,451 --> 01:21:39,313
Text message, you can have it say,

1819
01:21:39,654 --> 01:21:43,778
take this song from Spotify and message it
to this person in WhatsApp.

1820
01:21:43,998 --> 01:21:48,083
Like those are the kind of things Siri I
will be able to do once developers build

1821
01:21:48,083 --> 01:21:49,985
this in come twenty-seven dot three.

1822
01:21:50,291 --> 01:21:54,189
I think this is wild. And you wrote a
thing about this might be the end of apps.

1823
01:21:54,787 --> 01:21:55,587
Well, yeah, though

1824
01:21:55,587 --> 01:21:58,388
if you think about it that well,

1825
01:21:58,388 --> 01:22:02,270
first we should say my take is that it is
probably the biggest thing to happen

1826
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:03,601
to the iPhone since the app store.

1827
01:22:04,021 --> 01:22:08,112
So, because that fundamentally changed the
way we interact with our apps with

1828
01:22:08,112 --> 01:22:11,754
our mean with our iPhones. most of our
many of our listeners probably don't

1829
01:22:11,754 --> 01:22:13,144
remember a time before the app store.

1830
01:22:13,144 --> 01:22:15,005
But there was a time for a year when

1831
01:22:14,391 --> 01:22:15,005
There was a time.

1832
01:22:15,005 --> 01:22:18,146
you had an iPhone and it had sixteen apps
on it and that was it.

1833
01:22:18,327 --> 01:22:19,847
And they're like, No, we don't need
anything else.

1834
01:22:19,847 --> 01:22:21,228
Use the internet and then they're like,

1835
01:22:21,228 --> 01:22:23,919
Wait, but we could make money if we
charged anyway,

1836
01:22:23,919 --> 01:22:24,309
so

1837
01:22:24,309 --> 01:22:24,667
Yeah, yeah.

1838
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:25,550
Um,

1839
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:27,351
th there are two things super interesting.

1840
01:22:27,371 --> 01:22:30,272
One, developers have to do some work here,

1841
01:22:30,352 --> 01:22:32,554
right? In order for Siri to be able to do
this.

1842
01:22:33,734 --> 01:22:35,936
But the question is, if I'm a developer,

1843
01:22:35,936 --> 01:22:39,177
which I guess technically you and I
pretend to be developers,

1844
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:40,929
Pr thank you. I I'm comfortable with that.

1845
01:22:39,678 --> 01:22:41,039
would I do this?

1846
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:45,711
Would I do this? Because do I want like
isn't it Nei who on the VerchCast that

1847
01:22:45,711 --> 01:22:47,062
talk about like the DoorDash problem?

1848
01:22:47,062 --> 01:22:51,195
Like, do these app developers want to be
disintermediated from their customers?

1849
01:22:51,195 --> 01:22:52,164
And if you're

1850
01:22:52,164 --> 01:22:55,096
Business model depends on subscriptions or
advertisement.

1851
01:22:55,257 --> 01:22:57,849
You need people in your app for the most
part,

1852
01:22:57,849 --> 01:23:01,832
right? You don't necessarily just want
them interacting with the data within

1853
01:23:01,832 --> 01:23:03,344
their app. So that's interesting.

1854
01:23:04,345 --> 01:23:08,367
Also, I don't know if you've heard of this
company in Cupertina who

1855
01:23:08,367 --> 01:23:13,252
has a lot invested in the success of apps
in the app store because they make a whole

1856
01:23:13,252 --> 01:23:15,994
lot of money charging 30%, 15%,

1857
01:23:15,994 --> 01:23:17,906
whatever commission on purchases,

1858
01:23:17,906 --> 01:23:18,917
subscriptions, whatever.

1859
01:23:19,351 --> 01:23:20,562
I just think this is fascinating.

1860
01:23:20,562 --> 01:23:22,283
You think the Siri recap stuff is
fascinating.

1861
01:23:22,283 --> 01:23:25,295
I think that this is incredibly
fascinating because essentially what Apple

1862
01:23:25,295 --> 01:23:28,237
is doing is giving you an agent on your
phone that can take action

1863
01:23:27,745 --> 01:23:28,237
Yeah.

1864
01:23:28,237 --> 01:23:31,459
on your s on your behalf. So you never
have to use the apps.

1865
01:23:31,459 --> 01:23:33,311
And I actually think that's amazing.

1866
01:23:33,371 --> 01:23:35,052
I would love to just shout at my phone,

1867
01:23:35,152 --> 01:23:36,483
right? And be like, 'cause

1868
01:23:35,563 --> 01:23:36,483
Yeah.

1869
01:23:36,483 --> 01:23:38,834
this is what we're doing with like Claude
Duet or whatever.

1870
01:23:38,834 --> 01:23:41,836
You just like tell it to do a thing and it
just goes off on its little computer

1871
01:23:41,836 --> 01:23:43,317
somewhere in the cloud and does a thing
for you.

1872
01:23:43,458 --> 01:23:46,520
Imagine if you could just have Siri do
that and it could interact with the app.

1873
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,261
So it'll be interesting to see.

1874
01:23:49,281 --> 01:23:52,203
what developers do with this, whether they
buy into it,

1875
01:23:52,223 --> 01:23:53,673
whether they're willing to make their
stuff.

1876
01:23:53,673 --> 01:23:55,474
I'm going to contextly will be available.

1877
01:23:55,474 --> 01:23:58,996
I already added the Siri intent stuff
because it's a notes app.

1878
01:23:58,996 --> 01:24:01,738
So it was very easy to do. And when I say
it was very easy to do,

1879
01:24:01,738 --> 01:24:03,529
I said just Claude do it. Like it was
fine.

1880
01:24:03,137 --> 01:24:04,542
That's it. I did the same with Kandu,

1881
01:24:04,129 --> 01:24:07,661
Right? And I sent you the markdown file to
explain what to do.

1882
01:24:04,542 --> 01:24:07,022
yeah. Just do it. Yeah, you sent me the
instructions,

1883
01:24:07,022 --> 01:24:08,167
yeah. Yeah.

1884
01:24:07,661 --> 01:24:08,411
Yep.

1885
01:24:08,411 --> 01:24:10,392
And so I'm also gonna be like,

1886
01:24:10,553 --> 01:24:12,093
Claude, whatever I need to do for this,

1887
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:14,955
do it. And it and 'cause I want that
information to be available.

1888
01:24:15,835 --> 01:24:18,477
But I like we'll f we'll

1889
01:24:19,631 --> 01:24:21,242
Flighty, will Ryan Jones want to do this?

1890
01:24:21,242 --> 01:24:23,934
Like, will other people want to do this?

1891
01:24:23,934 --> 01:24:28,207
I think maybe, but like the example was
like you have an Uber,

1892
01:24:28,207 --> 01:24:29,749
a live it can look at your screen,

1893
01:24:29,749 --> 01:24:31,390
it can take action based on what it sees.

1894
01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:33,371
You could have a live activity for an
Uber,

1895
01:24:33,371 --> 01:24:35,483
you realize that you're at the wrong
terminal at the airport,

1896
01:24:35,483 --> 01:24:37,404
and you can just say to Siri, Hey,

1897
01:24:37,404 --> 01:24:42,338
uh, I need to change up change my pickup
location to terminal three pillar fifteen,

1898
01:24:42,338 --> 01:24:43,899
and it'll just go into the app and do
that.

1899
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:45,951
Is Uber going to do that?

1900
01:24:46,744 --> 01:24:48,145
So here's the big difference, I think,

1901
01:24:48,285 --> 01:24:51,038
with all the AI agent stuff that's been
happening up till now,

1902
01:24:51,038 --> 01:24:52,629
even like to Muse and Claude Duet,

1903
01:24:53,089 --> 01:24:59,024
it's trying to use these services in a
browser in the cloud and just not even

1904
01:24:59,024 --> 01:25:01,216
have the user need the app on their phone.

1905
01:25:01,737 --> 01:25:05,029
And the fundamental difference here is in
order for Siri AI to work with these

1906
01:25:05,029 --> 01:25:07,101
things, the app does need to be on your
phone.

1907
01:25:07,742 --> 01:25:09,863
So at that, at least, you know,

1908
01:25:09,863 --> 01:25:11,144
developers who want to adopt this,

1909
01:25:11,385 --> 01:25:14,027
like DoorDash is gonna have to be on your
phone,

1910
01:25:14,027 --> 01:25:15,378
like the app will have to be on your
phone.

1911
01:25:15,905 --> 01:25:18,858
This is not Siri AI using the DoorDash
website in the cloud.

1912
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,364
So, you know, it is not replacing the need
for the app.

1913
01:25:23,725 --> 01:25:25,767
It is replacing the need to go into the
app.

1914
01:25:26,288 --> 01:25:27,930
Is is that a distinction without a
difference?

1915
01:25:28,131 --> 01:25:29,252
Well, because DoorDash's

1916
01:25:28,651 --> 01:25:29,252
Maybe.

1917
01:25:29,252 --> 01:25:32,685
business model is based on the idea that
you go and you order something from

1918
01:25:32,685 --> 01:25:36,368
Culver's and it also says, Would you also
like something from the ice cream place

1919
01:25:36,368 --> 01:25:39,010
and something from the grocery store and
something else and you end up spending

1920
01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:42,012
more money because it can show you all of
those things in the interface,

1921
01:25:41,153 --> 01:25:42,753
Right. Right.

1922
01:25:42,373 --> 01:25:42,773
you're

1923
01:25:42,773 --> 01:25:47,377
still waiting on your burger that you
ordered with your Rabbit R one.

1924
01:25:45,243 --> 01:25:47,534
Still Rabbit R1. But

1925
01:25:47,534 --> 01:25:49,103
here's the this was gonna be in the
lightning round,

1926
01:25:49,103 --> 01:25:50,756
but I'll say it now. What is interesting,

1927
01:25:50,756 --> 01:25:53,187
DoorDash just acquired Instacart.

1928
01:25:53,508 --> 01:25:57,630
And so we have some consolidation in the
uh delivery business here,

1929
01:25:57,630 --> 01:25:59,271
groceries and food or whatever.

1930
01:25:59,931 --> 01:26:05,074
But honestly, like yes, the upsells in the
app would be is advantageous to DoorDash.

1931
01:26:05,414 --> 01:26:08,416
But also, if I could tell my voice
assistant,

1932
01:26:09,056 --> 01:26:13,339
order me the burger I never got for my
rabbit R1 and pick up some groceries with

1933
01:26:13,339 --> 01:26:14,339
Instacart.

1934
01:26:14,433 --> 01:26:18,505
That's still money in DoorDash's pocket
because I am paying more for those items.

1935
01:26:18,645 --> 01:26:20,686
And if it's easier to order, yes,

1936
01:26:20,686 --> 01:26:22,057
upsells, but if it's easier to order,

1937
01:26:22,057 --> 01:26:23,098
then more people just might do it.

1938
01:26:23,098 --> 01:26:26,910
So I I do think app developers will adopt
this.

1939
01:26:27,190 --> 01:26:32,623
It was I think Greg R the drafts developer
of the drafts app,

1940
01:26:32,623 --> 01:26:35,234
he's already kind of showing what is
possible with it.

1941
01:26:35,835 --> 01:26:40,758
I I'm I'm inclined to say like this is
going to be uh adopted pretty quick.

1942
01:26:40,758 --> 01:26:43,209
You know, Flighty, yes, they would want
you to go to the app.

1943
01:26:43,755 --> 01:26:47,219
But also, you're probably gonna have to be
on the subscription for some of those

1944
01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:50,953
requests anyway. And so if asking the
voice assistant to do it,

1945
01:26:50,953 --> 01:26:52,504
and then Flight E is like, sure,

1946
01:26:52,705 --> 01:26:54,626
just sign up for the subscription,

1947
01:26:54,827 --> 01:26:57,820
double-click right here. And if you could
do that like all in the voice assistant

1948
01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:59,772
interface, it might be better for Flighty
too.

1949
01:27:00,453 --> 01:27:04,267
And knowing that it's possible through the
voice assistant might encourage people

1950
01:27:04,267 --> 01:27:06,617
to be like, okay, yeah, I'll start paying
for Flight E or pay for the week.

1951
01:27:06,097 --> 01:27:06,858
And maybe Flighty

1952
01:27:06,858 --> 01:27:10,500
is not the best example because I don't
actually take a lot of action in Flighty

1953
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:11,450
because I just get

1954
01:27:11,094 --> 01:27:11,450
Right.

1955
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:14,102
an email from Delta saying here's your
flight.

1956
01:27:14,177 --> 01:27:16,803
I f I just forward that email to Tripit,

1957
01:27:17,644 --> 01:27:18,024
which is

1958
01:27:17,665 --> 01:27:18,024
Right?

1959
01:27:18,024 --> 01:27:21,386
this weird in between that I'm now paying
for literally for the purpose of getting

1960
01:27:21,386 --> 01:27:24,908
things into Flighty. I could probably
avoid that fifty dollars a year by just

1961
01:27:25,089 --> 01:27:27,337
f sending I think I could send them
straight to Flight E.

1962
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:29,971
And then Flight E just shows me all the
information that I need,

1963
01:27:30,132 --> 01:27:31,652
but it's not like I'm ever gonna be like,

1964
01:27:31,652 --> 01:27:32,652
Hey, Siri.

1965
01:27:33,379 --> 01:27:36,311
Switch my flight and flighty? Like I
that's not gonna happen so that

1966
01:27:35,841 --> 01:27:36,451
But you can

1967
01:27:36,451 --> 01:27:40,312
but you'll be able to tell it add this
flight to Flighty.

1968
01:27:40,592 --> 01:27:42,073
So you won't even need Trippet anymore.

1969
01:27:42,473 --> 01:27:45,694
You can not even be in your email and you
could say

1970
01:27:43,919 --> 01:27:45,759
That's that's true.

1971
01:27:45,834 --> 01:27:49,815
you could say add my add tomorrow's flight
to Flighty or add the flight I flight

1972
01:27:49,815 --> 01:27:51,475
email confirmation I just got to Flighty.

1973
01:27:52,896 --> 01:27:56,227
That's useful. Yeah. Okay,

1974
01:27:53,329 --> 01:27:54,712
That's true. No, that'd be great.

1975
01:27:54,772 --> 01:27:56,796
Okay, I'm I'm sold. Do it, Ryan,

1976
01:27:56,227 --> 01:27:56,796
thank you.

1977
01:27:56,796 --> 01:27:57,796
do it.

1978
01:27:58,278 --> 01:28:00,308
So it's exciting though. And you know,

1979
01:28:00,308 --> 01:28:03,459
the Mac Stories article and Jason's I
would read them both because

1980
01:28:03,721 --> 01:28:06,212
it kind of sh the whole picture about what
this could mean.

1981
01:28:06,212 --> 01:28:07,393
But it's ex I think it's exciting.

1982
01:28:07,491 --> 01:28:09,974
All right. We actually need to do a a real
lightning round.

1983
01:28:10,394 --> 01:28:14,036
Apple had earnings. Yep. Record earnings
again.

1984
01:28:14,211 --> 01:28:18,598
Uh you have wrote an article. I keep
sharing this article by accident.

1985
01:28:14,873 --> 01:28:16,419
For that quarter, for fourth quarter,

1986
01:28:16,419 --> 01:28:20,556
just to be clear. This was not a that is
the right article.

1987
01:28:18,598 --> 01:28:20,138
Why do I sorry? I keep

1988
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,701
that was it was. Why do I s I see a
different one when I pop it up.

1989
01:28:24,862 --> 01:28:26,112
Sorry, I was share Jason's article.

1990
01:28:24,995 --> 01:28:28,036
That's weird. Yeah, well no,

1991
01:28:26,112 --> 01:28:27,497
Apple had a record quarter. Tell me about
it.

1992
01:28:27,497 --> 01:28:28,036
You got it.

1993
01:28:28,036 --> 01:28:30,998
my I just thought it was amazing that
Apple just keeps selling iPhones and even

1994
01:28:30,998 --> 01:28:32,688
though they didn't release an iPhone
eighteen,

1995
01:28:33,001 --> 01:28:34,026
Right, right.

1996
01:28:33,105 --> 01:28:34,289
th they'd still

1997
01:28:34,489 --> 01:28:37,551
they still sold as more iPhones than
they've sold in the fourth quarter.

1998
01:28:37,551 --> 01:28:38,481
It's their fourth quarter, right?

1999
01:28:38,481 --> 01:28:39,741
Yeah, 'cause the first quarter is the

2000
01:28:38,859 --> 01:28:39,741
Yeah, their fourth quarter.

2001
01:28:39,741 --> 01:28:42,813
next yeah. Um, they had their best
September quarter ever.

2002
01:28:43,073 --> 01:28:46,534
They had strong iPhone sales. Their stock
actually went down because like

2003
01:28:46,535 --> 01:28:49,710
RAM and their margin was lower and their
forecasting lower margin because,

2004
01:28:49,710 --> 01:28:50,586
you know, RAM and all

2005
01:28:50,155 --> 01:28:50,586
Right.

2006
01:28:50,586 --> 01:28:52,217
that kind of stuff. I just think it's

2007
01:28:52,804 --> 01:28:55,895
Because all of these tech companies are
releasing their earnings at roughly

2008
01:28:55,895 --> 01:28:57,956
the same time, because that's how the
calendar works,

2009
01:28:58,356 --> 01:29:02,268
it was just shocking. You have like Google
stocks tank because they're spending like

2010
01:29:02,268 --> 01:29:04,599
a hundred and whatever billion dollars on
AI build out.

2011
01:29:04,599 --> 01:29:08,080
And Apple's just over here selling iPhones
that people

2012
01:29:07,265 --> 01:29:08,080
Selling iPhones.

2013
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,191
are running all of this AI stuff on.

2014
01:29:10,191 --> 01:29:14,573
And when I say running it, I mean they
have the Claude app or the duet app on it,

2015
01:29:13,776 --> 01:29:15,780
Right, on their Mac Mini. Yeah.

2016
01:29:14,573 --> 01:29:18,504
right? And someone else is paying for all
of that cloud compute,

2017
01:29:17,225 --> 01:29:19,080
Yeah. Right.

2018
01:29:18,865 --> 01:29:19,145
all

2019
01:29:19,145 --> 01:29:20,145
of that build out.

2020
01:29:20,301 --> 01:29:23,785
And Apple is just riding along selling
more and more and more iPhones.

2021
01:29:23,785 --> 01:29:25,838
And it's like that's and people kept
saying forever,

2022
01:29:25,838 --> 01:29:28,691
Well, Apple's so far behind. I'm like,

2023
01:29:28,751 --> 01:29:30,213
but people are still buying iPhones.

2024
01:29:30,750 --> 01:29:33,818
Still buying iPhones, you people are still
using Apple devices to run frontier

2025
01:29:33,818 --> 01:29:37,417
models, and now Siri AI is gonna be
probably one of the best assistants that

2026
01:29:37,417 --> 01:29:38,470
you can, you know.

2027
01:29:38,723 --> 01:29:41,737
I mean the running the Frontier models is
mostly marketing.

2028
01:29:41,737 --> 01:29:43,139
There's not that many people doing that.

2029
01:29:43,139 --> 01:29:46,023
They're not gonna sell that many of those
Mac studios.

2030
01:29:45,514 --> 01:29:48,336
No, no, I mean like running the Claude app
with Fable.

2031
01:29:47,996 --> 01:29:49,017
yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah,

2032
01:29:49,017 --> 01:29:50,389
yeah. Yep, yep, yep. You're right.

2033
01:29:49,217 --> 01:29:50,237
You know what I mean? Like

2034
01:29:50,578 --> 01:29:53,079
that. That's that's what I'm getting an M6
Mac Mini to do.

2035
01:29:53,780 --> 01:29:56,742
Um Markdown is just taking over the world.

2036
01:29:57,563 --> 01:30:00,765
Amazing, something made so many years ago
and has,

2037
01:30:00,765 --> 01:30:03,030
you know, been used by a lot of nerds and
popular people,

2038
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:05,858
like it is just the language that
everything is spoken in now.

2039
01:30:05,858 --> 01:30:07,830
As far as like LLMs are in Markdown,

2040
01:30:08,110 --> 01:30:11,052
and now Apple is like, yeah, Markdown
support in Quick Look.

2041
01:30:11,312 --> 01:30:13,494
So in twenty seven dot three, like on the
Mac,

2042
01:30:13,494 --> 01:30:14,122
if you

2043
01:30:14,122 --> 01:30:16,445
have a markdown file and hit spacebar to
do the quick look,

2044
01:30:16,666 --> 01:30:18,248
it's just gonna format the markdown
nicely.

2045
01:30:18,248 --> 01:30:19,248
Like it's just everywhere.

2046
01:30:20,035 --> 01:30:21,582
Made by friend of the show, John Gruber.

2047
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,221
That's right. Just wild that that's that's
a thing.

2048
01:30:24,221 --> 01:30:29,034
Uh also a new support are just it's just
the fact that Markdown is just after

2049
01:30:29,034 --> 01:30:31,535
so many years just has a whole second
wind,

2050
01:30:32,155 --> 01:30:33,333
even more more than the first.

2051
01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:34,997
But anyway. Also, twenty seven dot three,

2052
01:30:34,997 --> 01:30:38,037
Apple's gonna start checking iCloud links
for harmful content.

2053
01:30:38,499 --> 01:30:41,941
Meaning if you share an Apple note with an
iCloud link,

2054
01:30:42,221 --> 01:30:44,572
or presumably a shortcut, because that's

2055
01:30:44,021 --> 01:30:44,644
Or just a

2056
01:30:44,644 --> 01:30:46,756
file in your iCloud drive, right?

2057
01:30:46,707 --> 01:30:46,947
Right,

2058
01:30:46,947 --> 01:30:48,117
or just a file on iCloud Drive,

2059
01:30:48,117 --> 01:30:52,422
they're gonna be checking for quote
harmful content and might do something

2060
01:30:52,422 --> 01:30:56,716
about it. The actual quote for the some
the support document says when you share

2061
01:30:56,716 --> 01:30:57,737
content that's stored in iCloud,

2062
01:30:57,737 --> 01:31:01,240
such as a photo or file, you can choose to
share a link or send a copy.

2063
01:31:01,420 --> 01:31:04,062
If you choose share a link, you can either
share the item with people you choose

2064
01:31:04,363 --> 01:31:07,705
or anyone with the link, which makes it
accessible to anyone on the internet.

2065
01:31:08,346 --> 01:31:10,088
Starting with the new operating systems,

2066
01:31:10,088 --> 01:31:13,441
items shared using anyone with the link
will be checked by Apple for harmful

2067
01:31:13,441 --> 01:31:14,170
content.

2068
01:31:14,170 --> 01:31:17,144
Yeah, so the notes thing if I just shared
a note with you would not be checked.

2069
01:31:17,376 --> 01:31:18,587
Correct, a collaborative thing.

2070
01:31:18,587 --> 01:31:19,589
Yeah, collaboration type thing.

2071
01:31:19,809 --> 01:31:21,491
So that's interesting, you know,

2072
01:31:21,746 --> 01:31:26,988
s Apple never followed through with the
CSAM stuff and I'm curious like dribbling

2073
01:31:26,988 --> 01:31:28,079
these kinds of little features.

2074
01:31:28,786 --> 01:31:32,134
I th they didn't say this is C SAM related
or anything like and harmful content

2075
01:31:32,134 --> 01:31:33,676
is very generic. It's kind of,

2076
01:31:33,101 --> 01:31:34,041
I mean, photos in

2077
01:31:33,676 --> 01:31:34,043
you know.

2078
01:31:34,043 --> 01:31:37,610
iCloud Photos is a pretty clear link about
what we're what we're talking about here.

2079
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:39,245
Yeah, but f yeah, I know, but files on
iCloud Drive,

2080
01:31:39,245 --> 01:31:39,555
like

2081
01:31:39,273 --> 01:31:39,594
Same

2082
01:31:39,594 --> 01:31:41,157
thing. What do you think people like

2083
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:44,705
sure, a photo, but I mean, are they gonna
sk like text?

2084
01:31:44,885 --> 01:31:48,422
Like if I have a text file, is there any
kind of harmful content that could

2085
01:31:48,422 --> 01:31:49,534
be in text that they're gonna check?

2086
01:31:49,635 --> 01:31:52,626
I think this is just a blanket thing we're
saying we're going to do.

2087
01:31:52,646 --> 01:31:55,827
And it's a very the difference between the
CSAM scanning from before,

2088
01:31:55,827 --> 01:31:57,287
which they did not want to call scanning,

2089
01:31:57,287 --> 01:31:58,407
that's fine. But

2090
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:58,608
Yeah, yeah.

2091
01:31:58,608 --> 01:32:03,019
was that that was a passive thing that was
h was happening if you were sh if you were

2092
01:32:03,019 --> 01:32:07,970
basically sp taking photos from your
computer and backing them up in iCloud,

2093
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:09,050
right? It was just gonna happen.

2094
01:32:08,148 --> 01:32:09,436
Right, right, right.

2095
01:32:09,391 --> 01:32:09,831
This

2096
01:32:09,831 --> 01:32:13,852
is I took a series of things that most
people probably don't even you can do,

2097
01:32:13,852 --> 01:32:16,473
which is make this available to quote
anyone with the link,

2098
01:32:16,473 --> 01:32:18,123
because what they have to do is remove the
encryption.

2099
01:32:19,007 --> 01:32:19,516
Right.

2100
01:32:19,415 --> 01:32:19,575
And

2101
01:32:19,575 --> 01:32:22,130
in order for it to be available to anyone
with the link,

2102
01:32:22,351 --> 01:32:25,787
the person who's receiving it isn't going
to have the key to decrypt

2103
01:32:25,323 --> 01:32:25,787
Right.

2104
01:32:25,787 --> 01:32:27,851
it, so it has to be unencrypted anyway and
so.

2105
01:32:27,870 --> 01:32:29,930
Right. That's that. Yeah. All right,

2106
01:32:29,932 --> 01:32:31,831
and also Apple, I mentioned this before,

2107
01:32:31,831 --> 01:32:33,734
is putting employees on an AI budget.

2108
01:32:33,994 --> 01:32:35,385
So Apple, this is from Bloomberg,

2109
01:32:35,385 --> 01:32:39,048
uh journalist Mark German saying Apple
limited some engineers to two hundred

2110
01:32:39,048 --> 01:32:40,499
dollars per day for AI spending,

2111
01:32:40,499 --> 01:32:41,900
down from three hundred dollars.

2112
01:32:42,140 --> 01:32:44,041
Two hundred dollars a day, I wouldn't mind
that budget.

2113
01:32:44,162 --> 01:32:45,903
That's pretty nice. I mean

2114
01:32:45,337 --> 01:32:46,003
Yeah.

2115
01:32:46,003 --> 01:32:48,094
I play for uh Cloud U what is it,

2116
01:32:48,094 --> 01:32:50,556
Ultra now? Cloud Max Ultra. I think
they've renamed it.

2117
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:50,624
I don't know, but I

2118
01:32:50,624 --> 01:32:53,868
think someone said that like an anthropic
employee costs the company a hundred

2119
01:32:53,868 --> 01:32:56,201
thousand dollars a month because of all of
the anthropic

2120
01:32:56,727 --> 01:32:59,209
That's wild. That's wild. This was sad,

2121
01:32:59,289 --> 01:33:03,293
Jason. Squarespace to lay off almost 20%
of its employees.

2122
01:33:03,733 --> 01:33:05,915
They are reducing its global workforce,

2123
01:33:06,456 --> 01:33:07,997
representing about 300 people.

2124
01:33:08,557 --> 01:33:12,421
They said the AI boom, including Vive
coding website builders,

2125
01:33:12,621 --> 01:33:15,203
I'm sorry, Squarespace, is causing this.

2126
01:33:15,864 --> 01:33:18,496
Here's the thing. I still pay and use
Squarespace personally.

2127
01:33:18,496 --> 01:33:21,488
Like if you go to beard.fm, that's my
Squarespace site.

2128
01:33:22,570 --> 01:33:23,570
But

2129
01:33:23,636 --> 01:33:27,029
My webpage about iPhone Duo apps and all
my Vive Coded apps,

2130
01:33:27,229 --> 01:33:29,911
that webpage is all clawed and it's hosted
on Cloudflare.

2131
01:33:30,232 --> 01:33:32,734
And so yeah, it is a different landscape.

2132
01:33:33,614 --> 01:33:35,706
I am of all the things that affects us,

2133
01:33:35,706 --> 01:33:38,919
we've we've never been sponsored by
Squarespace on this podcast.

2134
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,201
And Jason, I don't know if we ever will
now,

2135
01:33:41,461 --> 01:33:44,023
honestly. You know what I mean?

2136
01:33:44,383 --> 01:33:45,804
If they're gonna be reducing spending,

2137
01:33:46,805 --> 01:33:49,838
I mean, they've always been a long
supporter of all the podcasts.

2138
01:33:49,838 --> 01:33:52,290
And even if they never sponsor another
podcast again in the future.

2139
01:33:52,608 --> 01:33:57,246
Thanks to Squarespace for literally
decades of keeping podcasting afloat

2140
01:33:57,547 --> 01:34:00,452
as sometimes the only sponsor for many
shows.

2141
01:34:00,772 --> 01:34:02,405
But this is a it's a sad day, you know,

2142
01:34:02,405 --> 01:34:04,018
that that might change going in the
future.

2143
01:34:03,805 --> 01:34:04,286
I did

2144
01:34:04,286 --> 01:34:09,293
feel like we will have we would have made
it if we got Squarespace as a sponsor.

2145
01:34:09,824 --> 01:34:11,095
Chasing the same. Squarespace.

2146
01:34:11,955 --> 01:34:15,987
Listen, I still have like 100 websites
that I've built on Squarespace that

2147
01:34:15,987 --> 01:34:17,818
are still live. I pay for Squarespace.

2148
01:34:18,078 --> 01:34:22,540
Beard.fm is Squarespace. Sponsor us at
least once so we can say you did it before

2149
01:34:22,540 --> 01:34:24,861
you stop sponsoring podcasts. That is my
plea.

2150
01:34:25,541 --> 01:34:26,962
Sponsor an award winning podcast.

2151
01:34:27,202 --> 01:34:29,963
All right, last thing, there's tons of
other news.

2152
01:34:30,323 --> 01:34:34,185
Reddit is making everything a logged in
experience because of all the bots

2153
01:34:34,185 --> 01:34:36,726
and scraping. That's crazy. It's uh

2154
01:34:37,042 --> 01:34:40,203
Annoying enough to have to go to any
Instagram or Facebook link,

2155
01:34:40,203 --> 01:34:41,604
like you have to log in to see it.

2156
01:34:41,884 --> 01:34:43,225
Reddit's gonna be like that too,

2157
01:34:43,285 --> 01:34:46,246
because of all of this. But the one story
I want to make sure we cover,

2158
01:34:46,246 --> 01:34:48,347
and you wrote about this, I'll put your
link in the show notes.

2159
01:34:48,847 --> 01:34:52,319
For schools, Google, this

2160
01:34:51,397 --> 01:34:52,319
So stupid.

2161
01:34:52,319 --> 01:34:59,222
is so dumb. Google is telling schools if
you turn

2162
01:34:59,222 --> 01:35:02,273
off AI overviews, you can't have search.

2163
01:35:03,894 --> 01:35:04,894
WTF, Jason.

2164
01:35:05,050 --> 01:35:08,813
Yeah, well what they're actually saying is
if you turn off if you want to not have

2165
01:35:08,813 --> 01:35:12,026
AI, you can't have search. And their
explanation is that search that AI is just

2166
01:35:12,026 --> 01:35:13,738
so intertwined now with search.

2167
01:35:14,219 --> 01:35:16,050
My point is that's just a product
decision.

2168
01:35:16,050 --> 01:35:18,162
Like there's no magic happening here.

2169
01:35:18,162 --> 01:35:21,145
Like search is a thing that has existed
for what,

2170
01:35:21,145 --> 01:35:23,107
twenty some years, twenty

2171
01:35:22,847 --> 01:35:24,985
More, more, thirty years, thirty years.

2172
01:35:23,107 --> 01:35:25,229
thirty years, thirty years? And

2173
01:35:25,329 --> 01:35:29,853
so there's no reason why you can't just
have a non-AI overview version of search.

2174
01:35:30,743 --> 01:35:33,245
It's totally possible. Just you're
choosing not to do it.

2175
01:35:33,245 --> 01:35:35,137
You're choosing to build this into your
product in a way.

2176
01:35:35,577 --> 01:35:38,960
So it begs the question like, is that
really raises the question,

2177
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,601
whatever, is that really the reason?

2178
01:35:40,661 --> 01:35:44,745
Or do you just want to hook the kids on
the cigarettes now so they'll keep buying

2179
01:35:44,745 --> 01:35:45,641
them later?

2180
01:35:45,641 --> 01:35:48,013
And it's like for schools specifically,

2181
01:35:48,013 --> 01:35:50,044
it seems really frustrating because I'm
like,

2182
01:35:50,524 --> 01:35:52,676
that's where they are learning to do
research.

2183
01:35:52,676 --> 01:35:57,439
That's where you find trusted sources and
look at scholarly articles and like you're

2184
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,971
gonna force AI overviews in schools?

2185
01:36:00,611 --> 01:36:03,674
Right. Yeah. Well, and

2186
01:36:01,392 --> 01:36:03,043
If I was Brian Tong, I would say bad
apple,

2187
01:36:03,043 --> 01:36:03,674
but it's cool.

2188
01:36:03,674 --> 01:36:05,786
here's the thing. This is what would this
is what annoyed me,

2189
01:36:05,786 --> 01:36:07,047
and I put this in the article.

2190
01:36:07,087 --> 01:36:08,909
I can't find my article now, but it
doesn't matter.

2191
01:36:09,050 --> 01:36:10,096
I'm showing it, yeah.

2192
01:36:09,670 --> 01:36:10,160
It's not that

2193
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,223
important. Uh I mean it is. You should all
go read it.

2194
01:36:13,223 --> 01:36:13,653
But

2195
01:36:13,321 --> 01:36:14,020
That's right, that's right.

2196
01:36:13,934 --> 01:36:14,124
is

2197
01:36:14,124 --> 01:36:17,977
that Google's response to this is
essentially yes,

2198
01:36:17,977 --> 01:36:19,459
but we have this guided learning thing,

2199
01:36:19,459 --> 01:36:22,471
which is essentially a chatbot that
doesn't give you the answer but walks

2200
01:36:22,471 --> 01:36:24,964
you through the steps that you should take
to learn a thing,

2201
01:36:25,324 --> 01:36:26,324
but it still doesn't.

2202
01:36:26,969 --> 01:36:29,861
tell you the most important thing which is
like go to the primary sources,

2203
01:36:29,861 --> 01:36:32,552
which is what we want to be teaching kids
to do is just go

2204
01:36:31,996 --> 01:36:32,552
Right.

2205
01:36:32,552 --> 01:36:34,293
and that's what you get if you Google
something.

2206
01:36:34,293 --> 01:36:39,916
You say, What are dinosaurs? And then you
get like fifteen artic you know,

2207
01:36:39,916 --> 01:36:42,677
articles on the front page about dinosaurs
and you can go to the you know,

2208
01:36:42,677 --> 01:36:45,639
the Smithsonian and you can go to National
Geographic whatever,

2209
01:36:45,639 --> 01:36:49,161
you can go to these websites and you can
read about dinosaurs and you can learn

2210
01:36:49,201 --> 01:36:52,683
and and what you're learning is how to
learn about a thing.

2211
01:36:52,863 --> 01:36:56,665
Whereas this is not that. And I just think
it's kind of annoying

2212
01:36:58,682 --> 01:37:03,146
That Google thinks that it should be
telling teachers what they should be doing

2213
01:37:03,146 --> 01:37:06,488
in their classroom and how they should be
teaching things.

2214
01:37:05,951 --> 01:37:06,669
Yeah.

2215
01:37:06,669 --> 01:37:11,132
And my argument is do you know who spends
a lot of time thinking about what

2216
01:37:11,132 --> 01:37:13,394
to do in a classroom? Teachers.

2217
01:37:13,653 --> 01:37:18,546
Teachers. Yes. Right.

2218
01:37:13,895 --> 01:37:15,856
Teachers think about this all the time.

2219
01:37:15,856 --> 01:37:19,279
And I just don't think it should be up to
Google to determine

2220
01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:21,921
how to teach children about things.

2221
01:37:21,921 --> 01:37:25,204
Unless what you really want is just a
bunch of kids to be addicted to cigarettes

2222
01:37:25,204 --> 01:37:26,204
again, so they buy them.

2223
01:37:27,175 --> 01:37:28,959
I just googled what are dinosaurs.

2224
01:37:29,005 --> 01:37:32,596
I'm so glad you did that. Except for I
hate that there's an AI overview that

2225
01:37:32,596 --> 01:37:34,041
takes up everything above the fold.

2226
01:37:34,429 --> 01:37:37,491
And here's the thing. Everything above the
fold is the AI overview.

2227
01:37:38,392 --> 01:37:39,212
They are making

2228
01:37:38,627 --> 01:37:39,747
And then there's a chat window.

2229
01:37:40,213 --> 01:37:42,235
they are making Google search a chat bot,

2230
01:37:42,235 --> 01:37:44,076
basically. Like they just want you to
chat.

2231
01:37:42,541 --> 01:37:44,548
It it a hundred percent is, yes.

2232
01:37:44,296 --> 01:37:44,696
They just

2233
01:37:44,696 --> 01:37:47,519
want you to chat to Gemini. In the right
hand column,

2234
01:37:47,519 --> 01:37:49,260
there are three websites linked.

2235
01:37:49,660 --> 01:37:52,462
One is we're Reddit, one is Wikipedia,

2236
01:37:52,742 --> 01:37:55,104
and the third one is the Science Museum of
Virginia.

2237
01:37:55,625 --> 01:37:58,166
Whatever, kudos, Virginia. Scroll down,

2238
01:37:58,547 --> 01:38:01,509
more AI overview. It's a long AI overview,

2239
01:38:01,509 --> 01:38:02,509
Jason.

2240
01:38:02,855 --> 01:38:04,788
And then finally, a couple scrolls down,

2241
01:38:04,788 --> 01:38:06,491
we have the Natural History Museum,

2242
01:38:07,032 --> 01:38:09,766
we have Google Images, we have Wikipedia
again,

2243
01:38:09,766 --> 01:38:13,282
YouTube videos, National Park Service,

2244
01:38:13,964 --> 01:38:14,964
and then Reddit again.

2245
01:38:15,021 --> 01:38:15,201
then

2246
01:38:15,201 --> 01:38:16,962
Reddit slash R slash dinosaurs.

2247
01:38:18,424 --> 01:38:19,825
I didn't know there was a Reddit,

2248
01:38:19,825 --> 01:38:21,055
a subreddit for dinosaurs,

2249
01:38:20,046 --> 01:38:21,046
I didn't know either.

2250
01:38:21,055 --> 01:38:23,147
but I love that there's a subreddit for
dinosaurs.

2251
01:38:23,147 --> 01:38:24,368
Of course there's a subreddit.

2252
01:38:23,303 --> 01:38:25,554
And here's the thing, if I try to go to
that Reddit link,

2253
01:38:26,335 --> 01:38:29,767
well I'm not logged ins. I'm gonna have to
log in soon.

2254
01:38:29,767 --> 01:38:31,358
Yeah, you wrote about that too.

2255
01:38:31,779 --> 01:38:34,360
I'm not bad bad robot on Google.

2256
01:38:34,541 --> 01:38:36,792
Bad robot. Not the film production
company,

2257
01:38:36,792 --> 01:38:38,844
but you know, Android. That's not good.

2258
01:38:39,304 --> 01:38:41,085
All right. Personal tech real quick.

2259
01:38:41,305 --> 01:38:43,947
I sold my eighteen pro. I'm on Pro Max.

2260
01:38:44,488 --> 01:38:46,719
I've been on the duo train. You know,

2261
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:50,241
the two week window for returns for people
who bought the iPhone Duo on launch

2262
01:38:50,241 --> 01:38:52,583
day is fast approaching. It's like

2263
01:38:52,842 --> 01:38:54,543
Today or tomorrow, depending, you know,

2264
01:38:54,883 --> 01:38:58,794
on when you bought it. And I've you I've
already started seeing some people

2265
01:38:58,794 --> 01:39:01,015
on social media being like, returning the
duo.

2266
01:39:01,015 --> 01:39:02,486
It's not really for me. And it's like,

2267
01:39:02,486 --> 01:39:04,907
okay, were you doing this for the views?

2268
01:39:04,907 --> 01:39:06,687
But nope, no judgment, whatever.

2269
01:39:07,248 --> 01:39:10,389
But for me, I'm all in. I'm all in on the
duo train.

2270
01:39:10,589 --> 01:39:14,150
I'm keeping my duo. My eighteen pro Max
was basically just sitting here

2271
01:39:14,330 --> 01:39:17,371
and I was clearing notifications once a
day and doing nothing else with it.

2272
01:39:17,672 --> 01:39:19,272
And I was like, it needs to go.

2273
01:39:20,153 --> 01:39:21,183
And so, as you do.

2274
01:39:21,939 --> 01:39:23,670
I asked me used to put it Facebook
Marketplace.

2275
01:39:25,731 --> 01:39:29,673
And I did it. And I it was I tried,

2276
01:39:30,053 --> 01:39:31,564
you know, I bought a one terabyte version,

2277
01:39:31,564 --> 01:39:34,986
which is expensive. But Facebook
Marketplace doesn't care what you paid

2278
01:39:34,986 --> 01:39:36,987
for a device. There's just a uh you know,

2279
01:39:36,987 --> 01:39:39,579
they just there's an idea of what
something costs and they just don't want

2280
01:39:39,579 --> 01:39:41,640
to pay more. But very nice guy.

2281
01:39:41,969 --> 01:39:45,742
Uh actually recognized me, watches me on
YouTube sometimes.

2282
01:39:46,042 --> 01:39:47,203
He reached out and he was like,

2283
01:39:47,203 --> 01:39:50,685
Hey, I'd like to buy it. And so I met this
guy yesterday,

2284
01:39:50,725 --> 01:39:51,455
his name.

2285
01:39:51,455 --> 01:39:55,166
Get this. Also, Steven also spells it with
a PH.

2286
01:39:56,366 --> 01:39:58,007
And some people on social media were
saying,

2287
01:39:58,707 --> 01:40:01,365
Is there a resemblance? And maybe there
is.

2288
01:40:00,069 --> 01:40:03,946
uh That's great.

2289
01:40:01,365 --> 01:40:03,849
And maybe there maybe there is.

2290
01:40:03,946 --> 01:40:04,629
I love that.

2291
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:07,089
Yeah. So yeah, sold in my 18 Pro Max,

2292
01:40:07,450 --> 01:40:10,310
and I'm all in on the duo. Full
disclosure,

2293
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:13,811
I still have an 18 Pro review unit from
Apple.

2294
01:40:13,811 --> 01:40:15,772
It's not really set up with my stuff.

2295
01:40:15,905 --> 01:40:19,393
It's just sitting there, and this will
probably be my beta device for the year.

2296
01:40:19,753 --> 01:40:22,687
Although with the audio intelligence I
just put the beta straight on my iPhone

2297
01:40:22,687 --> 01:40:24,309
duo. So I'm running it like that.

2298
01:40:24,309 --> 01:40:27,203
But but yeah, I'm all in. I'm sticking
with the duo.

2299
01:40:27,684 --> 01:40:28,135
That's me.

2300
01:40:27,875 --> 01:40:28,175
I love

2301
01:40:28,175 --> 01:40:32,379
that for you. Listen, if our li if any of
our listeners want to buy a seventeen pro,

2302
01:40:32,379 --> 01:40:37,553
email the other guy at primary check dot
fm because I've I am so tired of dealing

2303
01:40:37,553 --> 01:40:42,357
with f Facebook marketplace. I think
Facebook marketplace is the best

2304
01:40:42,357 --> 01:40:45,059
way to sell an iPhone. It is

2305
01:40:44,767 --> 01:40:45,059
Yeah.

2306
01:40:45,059 --> 01:40:47,401
also the worst experience of all of
humanity.

2307
01:40:47,337 --> 01:40:48,141
Both things are true.

2308
01:40:48,141 --> 01:40:50,984
It is just oooh, I hate this so much.

2309
01:40:51,113 --> 01:40:52,613
That's why I asked Muse to do it 'cause I
like,

2310
01:40:52,345 --> 01:40:52,685
Yeah.

2311
01:40:52,613 --> 01:40:52,812
I just

2312
01:40:52,812 --> 01:40:55,433
don't even want to deal with figuring out
how to do this again and

2313
01:40:55,095 --> 01:40:55,705
I need

2314
01:40:55,705 --> 01:41:01,829
Muse to be able to figure out though how
to deal with the fact that one,

2315
01:41:02,065 --> 01:41:04,550
a bunch of people will respond and be
like,

2316
01:41:04,650 --> 01:41:06,651
Cool, bro, are you selling it for real?

2317
01:41:06,651 --> 01:41:08,933
And I'm like, Yes, it's real. Could you
take pictures of this,

2318
01:41:08,933 --> 01:41:09,799
this, this, and this? I'm like,

2319
01:41:09,799 --> 01:41:11,764
I've already re-for like it's a re-race.

2320
01:41:11,764 --> 01:41:13,215
I cannot take photos of any of those

2321
01:41:12,746 --> 01:41:13,215
Right.

2322
01:41:13,215 --> 01:41:14,576
things that you're asking me to do.

2323
01:41:14,796 --> 01:41:16,207
You're welcome to come and take a look at
it.

2324
01:41:16,207 --> 01:41:17,761
Okay, cool. Well, can I set it up first?

2325
01:41:17,761 --> 01:41:22,260
I'm like, no, you can't put your iCloud
email into this thing because now I have

2326
01:41:18,973 --> 01:41:22,442
No. No. It's locked.

2327
01:41:22,260 --> 01:41:23,861
no, yeah, I have nothing I can do.

2328
01:41:22,673 --> 01:41:23,906
It's unlocked at you.

2329
01:41:24,183 --> 01:41:25,034
And also they're like,

2330
01:41:24,353 --> 01:41:25,034
Wow.

2331
01:41:25,034 --> 01:41:26,617
Well, will you take four hundred for it?

2332
01:41:26,898 --> 01:41:29,191
I'm like, For a seventeen pro?

2333
01:41:29,191 --> 01:41:30,944
No, I won't. Come on, man.

2334
01:41:30,865 --> 01:41:32,006
Apple will give you more than that.

2335
01:41:32,046 --> 01:41:34,089
Come on, I need like I I don't have a lot
of money.

2336
01:41:34,089 --> 01:41:35,861
I'm in college. I'm like, I don't have a
lot of money either.

2337
01:41:35,861 --> 01:41:39,177
I'm a journalist and I need that's why I'm
selling this in the first place.

2338
01:41:39,455 --> 01:41:41,684
You know what's the problem? They're ho
they're hooked on those AI overview

2339
01:41:41,684 --> 01:41:42,799
cigarettes. That's the problem.

2340
01:41:42,721 --> 01:41:45,404
Yes. They they talk to me

2341
01:41:42,799 --> 01:41:43,883
They're trying to get money for that.

2342
01:41:44,185 --> 01:41:45,369
They're trying to they their gym and

2343
01:41:45,404 --> 01:41:50,008
like I'm a chat bot. You cannot abuse
Claude and you cannot abuse me.

2344
01:41:49,697 --> 01:41:51,120
I think we should pick at that.

2345
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:51,793
We should pick at that.

2346
01:41:51,129 --> 01:41:52,090
So listen, for real,

2347
01:41:52,090 --> 01:41:53,786
any of you wanna buy a seventeen pro,

2348
01:41:53,786 --> 01:41:55,233
y email me. We'll work it out.

2349
01:41:54,781 --> 01:41:55,253
I thought about

2350
01:41:55,253 --> 01:42:00,127
selling it online and I was just a little
worried about the size audience and like

2351
01:42:00,127 --> 01:42:01,501
dealing with that and shipping it.

2352
01:42:01,441 --> 01:42:02,732
It's it listen, it's

2353
01:42:01,501 --> 01:42:02,544
So I wanted to sell it locally,

2354
01:42:02,544 --> 01:42:02,732
but.

2355
01:42:02,732 --> 01:42:05,364
fine. My email you guys all know my email
address anyway.

2356
01:42:05,193 --> 01:42:08,229
The other guy at primary tech dot fm.

2357
01:42:05,364 --> 01:42:08,027
The other the other guy at primary tech
dot fm.

2358
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:10,143
It literally works. It actually works.

2359
01:42:09,268 --> 01:42:10,199
Yeah, it

2360
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:11,065
does.

2361
01:42:11,065 --> 01:42:12,798
you you put smoke detectors in personal
tech.

2362
01:42:12,798 --> 01:42:13,295
What is that?

2363
01:42:13,295 --> 01:42:14,267
We can talk about it next time.

2364
01:42:14,267 --> 01:42:14,818
I have to buy new

2365
01:42:14,273 --> 01:42:14,818
Okay.

2366
01:42:14,818 --> 01:42:16,641
smoke doctors. Mine are all twenty six
years old,

2367
01:42:16,641 --> 01:42:19,627
which is fifteen years past their
expiration date.

2368
01:42:19,997 --> 01:42:22,869
Okay, very good. Very good. Uh okay,

2369
01:42:22,869 --> 01:42:24,179
well we gotta go record a bonus episode.

2370
01:42:24,179 --> 01:42:27,081
My son got hacked and scammed and I was a
part of it.

2371
01:42:27,081 --> 01:42:30,523
And I I just I have to explain what
happened 'cause I was so mad.

2372
01:42:31,323 --> 01:42:34,415
And maybe you could tell me uh some of the
things you've been trying to teach your

2373
01:42:34,415 --> 01:42:37,366
kids about getting hacked and scammed and
and maybe we can prevent it.

2374
01:42:37,366 --> 01:42:39,408
But anyway, you can listen to our bonus
episode,

2375
01:42:39,608 --> 01:42:42,489
get our unedited feed, which is probably
near three hours this week,

2376
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:45,481
and y support the show. That link is in
the show notes.

2377
01:42:45,481 --> 01:42:48,302
You can go to join dot primary tech dot
fm,

2378
01:42:48,302 --> 01:42:49,302
become a member, you get

2379
01:42:49,405 --> 01:42:50,786
The ad free version, extended,

2380
01:42:51,026 --> 01:42:52,748
raw feed, primary tech daily, all of that.

2381
01:42:53,008 --> 01:42:54,249
And you can watch us on YouTube.

2382
01:42:54,249 --> 01:42:55,290
Thanks for everyone who does that.

2383
01:42:55,290 --> 01:42:58,702
Leave a comment, subscribe, and a five
star rating and review in Apple Podcasts.

2384
01:42:58,702 --> 01:43:03,056
Let us know. ProLed, Duo, did you buy
anything this season or did you make

2385
01:43:03,056 --> 01:43:05,448
it unscathed this Apple season?

2386
01:43:05,448 --> 01:43:06,318
What are we gonna say?

2387
01:43:05,753 --> 01:43:06,863
I have not bought anything.

2388
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:08,700
You've not bought anything. See,

2389
01:43:08,700 --> 01:43:09,565
but you get review units though.

2390
01:43:09,565 --> 01:43:11,162
I'm talking about people who don't get
review units.

2391
01:43:11,402 --> 01:43:12,783
Have you made it through unscathed?

2392
01:43:12,783 --> 01:43:13,904
That's what that's what I want to know.

2393
01:43:14,125 --> 01:43:16,376
Let us know. And we're gonna go record a
bonus episode.

2394
01:43:16,376 --> 01:43:17,667
Thanks for watching and listening.

2395
01:43:17,707 --> 01:43:18,707
We'll catch you next time.