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Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Right, say Rob Beckett.
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Rob Beckett. And Josh Widdicombe. Josh Widdicombe. Yeah, well done.
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There we go. That was cute. Lily Chilvers.
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Morning.
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Here's my eight-year-old Robin saying your name. She's desperate to
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be famous one day. I'm hoping this is the.
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Start of it. He, he, he, he, he, Robin. Do
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you want to be famous?
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No.
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No.
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I think.
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I think it's brilliant. Well, I think.
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What I'd say is once the genie's out of the bottle,
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you can't go back.
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Would you go back?
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Would you put the genie back in the bottle?
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Potentially, if I could do my job... like the standup stuff.
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You can't, you can't.
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Well, I can't, but if I could do all this,
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that's the deal.
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That's the deal.
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The devil strikes.
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No, it's definitely brilliant and worth it as my life
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is now. But if you said to me, I could
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have my life I have now, but not be famous,
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famous kind of thing, then, and still earn the money I.
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Earn, then I'll take that.
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But if I have to, I wouldn't give up standup
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and doing this.
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Lily Chilvers, you've, dug deep into the conflicted mind of
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rob beckett he was holding his hat in his hand
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it's life's balance baby he was going through.
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Hell there's got that life is balance isn't it no
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no it's a trade-off i've got a wonderful life and
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access to great things however you lose a little bit
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of part of you and your privacy in order to
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have that and it's whether you're happy with that trade-off
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I'm happy with that trade-off, but if you could click
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your fingers and take it away.
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It doesn't feel like he's happy with that trade-off, Lily.
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It doesn't feel like he's happy.
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With that trade-off.
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I'm accepting.
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I'm content with that trade-off. He doesn't feel content. He
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was rubbing his hair in a stressed way. Yeah. And
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you never do that, do you?
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I do.
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And that's why I can see it. It takes one
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to know one. I've been listening since the start. The
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dark soul of Rob Beckett. You get me through my
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commute to work. Love the pod. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks for the laugh. Lily, 396 months from Norfolk.
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Norfolk. There we go. Go on, Lily.
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Quick piece of correspondence before we hit into the.
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Come on, let's give you one. Here we go. On
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the topic of thongs.
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Yes.
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Hello, you sexy bastards.
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In relation to the thong chat, I thought I'd write
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in as a seasoned thong wearer. I am 28 with
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an eight-year-old... While I would never give her my underwear
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to wear, I say thongs are more comfortable than normal pants.
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With normal pants, you get a wedgie, but with a thong,
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it's constant, but not the same. It's much more comfortable,
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and you're not spending the day pulling big pants out
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of your arsehole.
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Hope this helps, Emma.
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There we go.
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There you go.
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That's one for the thong wearers out there. You should
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give it a go, Josh. See if you find it
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comfortable for your next run.
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I don't think I would enjoy it.
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You can't go from Sunsville granddads to a thong.
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Exactly.
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No one's ever done that. I don't think they do, actually.
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I'm not a thong guy.
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No.
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But there we go. Rob, here's a little game for
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people to listen. Each person that we interview... Imagine whether
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you think they're wearing a thong.
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I don't like this game. I'll give you a clue.
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One of them is.
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Right, here's the best of. We'll have a little break
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over the summer. Enjoy it.
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We'll be back soon with more weekly updates. Hal Crutton,
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and welcome to Parenting Out. We've wanted you for ages.
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I can't believe it's been this long and we've just
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got you.
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Well, I don't know. I mean, that's lovely of you
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to say, but I am always desperate to go on podcasts.
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I'm quite a lonely man. I'm just... You're keeping your
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cards close to your chest.
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This is my.
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I'm a lonely figure, and I love having a chat. Oh, brilliant.
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So you will find this. Have you got a podcast?
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I talk a lot. I do... Oh, well.
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I hope we're doing a second series because we just
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asked it and it's going pretty well. Me and Ronnie Ancona.
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Do you know Ronnie?
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Yeah.
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And Ronnie and I do a thing about being.
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, we'll line you up for the second series because
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you are brilliant for this because it's about us being
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very neurotic people.
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What do you mean about that?
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No, you're perfect in terms of the fact that we
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want calmer people.
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No, no, no, you were right the first time. He's
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absolutely off the scale.
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Josh is quite quietly neurotic, I think.
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He goes under the radar.
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Yeah, but I think you're genuinely not that. I always
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remember when you came along in comedy and you were
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always really ballsy. And there was a time I used
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to message you before corporates going, Rob, how do I
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get through this? And you're 12, 15 years younger than me.
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And I'm going, Rob's taught me through this. So Ronnie
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and I kind of get guests on and kind of
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try and find out how they cope with all the
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nightmare stress of showbiz when we're such basket cases about it.
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It's a little bit indulgent, but people like it.
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All podcasts are.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Tell us, so if you can't deal with showbiz, how
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do you deal with parents? How old are your kids?
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My kids are old now. My kids are 25 and 23.
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But very luckily.
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Both did fine arts degrees, so they're still at home.
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You need to encourage the arts in your children and
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then they don't go.
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And I'm kind of loving it as well. I was
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listening to your John Bishop.
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Yeah. And I love it.
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But he was saying about wanting the kids to go.
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And I was going, yeah, but when you're divorced, it's
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lovely to have them. It's lovely to have the company.
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So you're still having joint custody?
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Yeah.
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I also did the other thing of very wisely moving
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further into town so I have the kids much more
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because I'm handier they basically live with me because it's
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handier for what the jobs they have the things they're
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doing um so I do have them a lot more
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of the time and my house is um we had
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a house in well we had a house in Ireland
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yeah and my ex held on to that because she's
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Irish so um her place is a bit smaller so
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I've got a larger place further into town I'm not
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saying I did well in the divorce deal I was
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still ripped apart but there's positives my house is great
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because there's space in it and I'm often not there
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because I'm a comic so my kids love being there
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so you got divorced was it three years you've been
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quite open you had a show about it as well
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my divorce Well, we separated four and a half years ago.
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We divorced about three years ago. Basically, my tour show
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is sort of my second show about my divorce. It's
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a little bit more detailed. It's got some more juicy
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gossip in it.
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Now the dust has settled a bit.
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Yeah, and things I've been allowed to say and time's passed.
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And I think the first one I did was a
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bit like, I'm a rubbish man and I just got left.
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Whereas this one's like, let me give you some details.
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LAUGHTER You have to come to the show.
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Yeah.
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No, it's fine. And do you still get on with
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your ex? We're fine. We're fine.
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It wasn't the happiest, loveliest divorce.
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As so many aren't. No, as so many aren't.
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But I think you don't want a happy, lovely divorce.
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Because usually a happy, lovely divorce... I have this point
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in my show. Is if you've been left... I was
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left by my wife and... I found out through time,
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it's been discovered, that I was left for someone. That's
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much better than being left for no one. Because if
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you're left for no one, it means you're literally worse
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than nothing. So anybody who's going, it's great, we just
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broke up and she just said the love was over. No,
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that you've been absolutely slammed. So I'm kind of, you know,
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I kind of feel a bit better about that. That's
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a great way to look at it. Always want to
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be left by someone. I mean, I'm sure it'll happen
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to you guys, but it's when the kids... Hopefully, wait
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till the kids are older, because then it's... They would
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have been like 21? They were 21 and 19.
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Right, and how was it for them?
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Because that's a bit of a madness. Yes, and it
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is still really hard.
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And.
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I think my youngest had just gone to uni. And
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so it was sort of... It's never going to be
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easy at any age.
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Is it?
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And I'm always amazed by them. And I'm not saying
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this to suck up to them because I'm desperate for
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company in my house. But it is so... They are
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so lovely. The way I go, God, I... You know,
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my parents were always my parents. I mean, my dad
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died when I was 20. So I, like, never had
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that breakup thing. But I had that sudden thing of
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it changing. But to watch them deal with... Just, you know,
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the dating. I mean, my ex is now with the
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man she left before. And they're very established. But my
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dating life has been chaotic.
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So are you talking to your kids about dating?
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They love it. Well, they don't love it.
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They feel sorry for the women. They have said that.
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They've said, oh, God, I hope. Please, please don't leave
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this one. Or please don't break this one up.
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So I did. It's just, it's been. How are you
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dating now?
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Because I always said this to Rob beforehand. I think
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when Rose inevitably leaves me.
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That's so good that you just do that.
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Keep that in your head.
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And it will be for someone.
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A mad comic called Louis Schaefer. Yeah, make sure it's
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for someone. Probably a farmer, if you're right down in
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the South West.
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She just wanted someone stronger than her.
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Are you bad at opening jars and stuff?
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No, she's quite... She's.
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Stronger than Josh. We've discussed it.
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But the problem is, right, I think... So, I don't
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think I'm speaking out of turn here because I'm not
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naming the person. I've got a friend. I think his
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daughter's maybe 10. he's split up with the mum and
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he said to me, I just can't be bothered to
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spend the time I have to myself meeting strangers and
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trying to, he was like, I'd rather just interact my life,
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I've got my daughter, I've got my work that I like,
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I can't be bothered.
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I wasn't having to care. You know, I had two
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at university.
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You know, they're not constantly. They're not needing all that
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attention all the time. And they've got, I mean, they're
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in far more stable relationships than me. They are, I mean,
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hugely more stable. I mean, you know, that's why they
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find it kind of amusing. My oldest is in a
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three and a half year relationship. My youngest, who's 23,
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been with the same guy since he was 16. Right.
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And they are virtually married and married. So I almost
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get relationship advice off them.
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You're one of the best stand-up comedians live in the country.
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Every time I see you on stage at clubs, you
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absolutely rip it. And you're so honest. Open, very open.
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Open and honest with everything.
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And you make a joke of it, you make it
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very accessible to people. But that's incredible. You said your
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dad died when you were 20. So now I find
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when any sort of things happen in my life, or
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when my kids get to the age I was... So
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you're looking at your kids at 20 that age you
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well when your dad died. Now you're going through divorce.
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That is a lot to deal with emotionally and stuff
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like that. Like that must be such a difficult period.
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But you sort of you've dealt with it so well.
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I mean, I've got a horrible feeling.
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My parents, my. children are better at this than me.
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They seem to... I mean, they're girls. But then that's
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a credit to you as a parent.
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They're strong like that. Well, yeah, I also.
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I do believe in luck. I think there's a lot.
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Do you not know that? Do you not know those
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parents who are brilliant parents with horrible kids?
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We've all come across them. And then crap parents, and
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I would... No, I'm not going to drag my ex
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down with me going... We got loads wrong. We got
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loads wrong.
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But everyone gets loads wrong.
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Yeah.
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And I think the thing that I do think was amazing,
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and it was amazing in my childhood, and the biggest
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thing that you have to do, which isn't really an effort,
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is just have parents that love you so much and
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let you know how much you love them.
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And you're good at letting people know how much you
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love them. I do let people, and how much I
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dislike them as well. I'm very honest in all my emotions.
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No, but my daughters get a lot of... how much
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I love them. And I'm amazed by them.
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They've always been your main priority.
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I remember when we gigged, before I had kids, you'd
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be like, oh, because I've got to get the girls,
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they've got school, they've got this, and then we've got that.
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It was almost like the main through line of your
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life and also being a provider for them and making
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sure they had the opportunities and going here, there and stuff.
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It was.
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mentioned a lot in green rooms where that's not always
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the case, especially with, you know, when we started, a
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lot of the comedians above us and older comedians wouldn't
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mention their kids or family.
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It was a solo pursuit.
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My agent said this to me that I talked a
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lot about my kids. I think I've always been incredibly
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proud of them. And so sort of subtly showing off
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all the time. Because I think when you're quite an
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inadequate person and you make people that are great... You
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kind of need to push.
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You can't believe you're inadequate.
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I know you mentioned it a lot, but you're so
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talented and so hardworking and built a brilliant career.
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No, that's very nice of you, Rob.
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No, I suppose. Yeah, I suppose so. I suppose I'm.
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Being flippant about it. I think of the thing I
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talk about my kids quite a lot. My agent said
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this to me ages ago when I was still married
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and when they were small. You talk so much about
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your kids and I don't. Because I'm incredibly self-obsessed as well.
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Maybe it's something else to talk about. Rather than talk
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about myself.
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Yeah, because your body's made it. So it's you. So
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maybe it's sort of a connection.
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It's all ego.
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It doesn't make sense. The thing I'm fighting here, Rob.
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The thing I'm fighting here.
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Is you're trying to make me a nice person. And
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I'm going, no, you don't understand. It's because I see
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them and I see bits of myself in them. They're
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not quite as good looking as I am.
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But they're lovely.
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They've been ruined slightly by their mum. But they're not. No, they're...
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People also do that thing of going, your kids are
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so beautiful. And they are, they're very beautiful girls. And
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I go, but I would be as well if I
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lost a bit of weight around the chin and stuff.
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So I'm, yeah, it's still the same.
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I created that beauty, so I must be beautiful.
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Here's some psychology, some knowledge of psychology then, if we're
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indulging in that about Hal Cruttenden.
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Yeah.
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So you went to, I don't know what school you
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went to, but my osteopath, who was a very posh man. Oh, right.
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said he went to school with you. And he was,
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where was it, Harrow or something? St.
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Paul's.
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St.
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Paul's, right. And he was extremely proper Tory kind of... Very.
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His dad was a judge, I think. Yeah. And it
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made me think that. Have you gone in a different
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way with your parenting to a very soft? What did
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you come from that? Do you come from quite a
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hard world or not?
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I didn't come from that sort of established money. I
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had a nice, cosy middle class upbringing and healing.
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Yeah.
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With two parents who were not from money. So we
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were always more insecure amongst the super posh. We wouldn't,
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you know, I felt my dad.
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So they managed to pass that insecurity on.
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They passed on that insecurity.
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We are that. I mean, there was that time when
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my sister going, you're a family heirloom.
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Yeah.
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But so many middle-class people do this. My sister does.
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My sister was doing it to me the other day
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and I, she's a lovely, wonderful person, but she was going,
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we are, we're not that posh. We're quite, We're quite
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working class. I went, no, our grandparents may have been,
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but we actually are part of... Our parents were of
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that wave of 50s, 60s social mobility, which people have
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forgotten exists now, but it used to exist.
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You know, social mobility, a huge.
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Number of people became that sort of middle class. My
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dad went to a grammar school. He grew up in
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Grimsby and his parents moved south. And then he went
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to a grammar school, got first place, got to university.
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And that's so... So we grew up with that. Grandparents going,
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you don't know you're born, do you? Look what you've got.
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I did not have that sort of established. So I
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think we are the insecure.
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Because you were amongst those sort of posho kids at
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that school.
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We're the comfortably insecure.
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Yeah.
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So I've still got that thing. That's a great tour title.
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Oh, God, yes.
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I must, yes. I must remember. Oh, my daughter will
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listen to this because she listens to every podcast among
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my youngest. So let's be careful what she says. But
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I'll say that'll be my next title.
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Next tour, yeah.
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Sorry, look, I know we've interviewed you before, but it
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was on Zoom. Can we have a recap? Let's have
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a recap.
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Can we do a recap for me? Well, I'll pretend
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this is, but for me.
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And, you know, sort of the whole sort of set
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up of children, husband, like, you know, they do at
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the start of a drama.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Just a quick cut. Just a bit of exposition. Yeah, perfect.
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I was confident I'd interviewed you before, but I wasn't 100%.
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You've done a lot of podcasts, mate.
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You've met a lot of parents.
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And I've met you. So the point is, do you
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know when you're like, have you interviewed that person? It's like,
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If it's someone I've never met, I'm more likely to
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remember it.
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It's a different energy in person than on Zoom.
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It is that.
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So it feels like I'm meeting a new person. And
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I know I've interviewed you before.
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They still don't recover. I know I interviewed you. I
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just forgot.
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But there's also that thing of you two, I just,
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before I met you, I was like, oh yeah, I
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know you.
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I've seen you stand up. If I saw you on
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the street, I'd be.
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Like, Josh.
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You'd be like.
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Yeah, people are like that.
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Yeah.
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It's nice, isn't it?
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Lovely.
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No, I've just got enough profile. This is my profile.
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It's just a narrowing of the eyes where they go.
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Oh, I sort of recognise.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know your phone.
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Is that Chanel?
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Yeah.
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No.
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So, the phone.
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Is.
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It a fake name like when I used to buy
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Ray-Bans from the markets in Spain?
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Roy Bins. Or is it still Chanel?
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I've got a George Armani watch now. I've just got
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a Casio.
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I used to sell fake Burberry scarves on Manchester Christmas Market.
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Yeah, I think you've told us on this podcast four times. Cashmink.
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Cashmink?
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Instead of cashmere?
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Yeah.
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Cashmink.
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Cashmink.
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It's the capital of Belarus, isn't it? Gosh, I think
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we played.
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Them in the Champions League.
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Right. Sorry. Recap on you children.
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Me, parent in hell.
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I have.
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My oldest child is 23. I had her when I
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was 20. So she's 23 now. And then I, when
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she was about 13, I had the next one, Bonnie Smith.
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I've got 10 year olds and an eight year old.
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So two daughters, then a son.
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Yes.
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Two daughters and a son.
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Yeah.
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And then you met your now partner when your eldest
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was 10. Eldest was about 10, yeah.
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Perfect.
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Which is funny because now my Bonnie's 10. So it's
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a little bit funny going, oh.
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So you fancy a new one?
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Yeah.
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Oh no, thanks. Every 10 years you get a new fella.
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Just churn them out. Yeah, I think like, I think
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three baby fathers would really go with my fake Chanel
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necklace actually.
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I think it's great for a new tour. What's the
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23-year-old up to?
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She's quite nice. She's all right.
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Okay.
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That wasn't a question. No, no. She's all right.
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She's in the middle of a degree. She did her
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A-levels during COVID, so she didn't really want to go
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straight to degree. It's a bit of a weird time.
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A bit of a rest in development, if I'm honest.
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I think they're all finding their feats from then. So
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she's in the middle of a degree, interior spatial design.
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I'm basically that mum now. You know when your mum
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could never say the right brand.
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Name or your degree? You're like, don't do that.
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So I always get it wrong.
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She's doing something. So it's not interior design.
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No.
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No, it's interior. It's sort of more architectural. If you
504
00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:49.779
ask Dershowitz, she'll be like, yeah, I'm an architect. She's
505
00:18:49.819 --> 00:18:54.619
just down the road. She lives near... So how's.
506
00:18:53.059 --> 00:18:57.920
That as a parent? How involved? I'm so fucking involved.
507
00:18:58.009 --> 00:19:01.089
Laura doesn't even know what it's called.
508
00:19:01.309 --> 00:19:02.529
I know, but you can still be involved.
509
00:19:02.549 --> 00:19:04.529
What her degree is. You know, I am involved.
510
00:19:04.710 --> 00:19:07.210
I wouldn't say you're overly involved in your daughter's life
511
00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:08.349
if you don't even know what she's studying.
512
00:19:08.390 --> 00:19:10.289
I do, but I don't ever get that. It's interior
513
00:19:10.309 --> 00:19:11.950
spatial design at University Arts London.
514
00:19:12.009 --> 00:19:13.609
All right? There we go.
515
00:19:13.769 --> 00:19:15.650
And then she's got a little nannying job and then
516
00:19:15.670 --> 00:19:18.609
she works at a little local bakery, pillar of the community.
517
00:19:18.670 --> 00:19:19.630
She's all right.
518
00:19:19.650 --> 00:19:22.170
The girls, she's all right. She sounds very sensible.
519
00:19:22.210 --> 00:19:24.940
And do you think about every day you like worrying
520
00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:25.500
or you.
521
00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:26.400
Oh, it's worse.
522
00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:27.279
No.
523
00:19:27.339 --> 00:19:28.559
Worse when they're older.
524
00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:29.259
No.
525
00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.680
I bet your mum and dad worry about you more now.
526
00:19:32.710 --> 00:19:37.759
I'm going to say about my mum and dad, no.
527
00:19:38.299 --> 00:19:40.319
I'll give you a quick recap of what my mum
528
00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.819
and dad recently, where I finished filming at something a
529
00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:44.809
bit earlier than planned.
530
00:19:44.829 --> 00:19:48.140
Say less, and.
531
00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.480
I went I'm home for a few days do you
532
00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:52.670
want to meet up I'm busy this week fair enough
533
00:19:52.750 --> 00:19:54.710
no worries then the next week I went oh I'll
534
00:19:54.750 --> 00:19:56.430
come down and see you on Monday after I'm with
535
00:19:56.450 --> 00:19:58.029
the kids then I rung her back an hour later
536
00:19:58.109 --> 00:20:00.420
and went It's Bank Holiday Monday. I'm not going to
537
00:20:00.450 --> 00:20:02.559
do it. It'll be mental down in Margate. I'll come
538
00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:03.920
late in the week. But if you want, you can
539
00:20:03.980 --> 00:20:05.460
come up and see me. We've not seen each other
540
00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:09.200
for about three, four weeks. Come to mine, Bank Holiday Monday. Nah,
541
00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.269
we're busy. Anyway, I was supposed to go and see
542
00:20:11.289 --> 00:20:13.190
him on the Friday. Then my flight back from filming
543
00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:14.930
got in at 3am from Tenerife. I went, I'll be
544
00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.089
too tired. I can't do the driving there and back
545
00:20:17.230 --> 00:20:17.630
the next day.
546
00:20:17.930 --> 00:20:20.299
Come up if you want. Nah, we're all right. So
547
00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:21.380
I wouldn't say they're overly worried.
548
00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:22.220
They're overly worried.
549
00:20:22.299 --> 00:20:25.299
Well, they may be just... They're letting me crack on.
550
00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:26.819
I just think in your 20s you're a bit weird.
551
00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:27.980
I see a lot of you on TV, though.
552
00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:29.109
Yeah, they know what you're up to.
553
00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:29.859
Yeah, they know what I'm doing.
554
00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.799
They get the short updates.
555
00:20:30.819 --> 00:20:31.180
But 23's different.
556
00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.680
I'm a boring and safe pair of hands adult now.
557
00:20:34.900 --> 00:20:35.829
23's the anomaly, isn't it?
558
00:20:35.859 --> 00:20:37.680
Are your kids a pull for them, though? I mean,
559
00:20:37.700 --> 00:20:39.140
that's the only way you have contact.
560
00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:39.740
My mum would like.
561
00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:41.259
Well, I don't think my mum would bother seeing me.
562
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.039
She likes my kids.
563
00:20:42.099 --> 00:20:44.509
Yeah, the kids have to be an absolute guarantee that
564
00:20:44.529 --> 00:20:45.710
they're there for them to come.
565
00:20:46.049 --> 00:20:47.190
No interest when it's just you.
566
00:20:47.230 --> 00:20:49.730
Also, though, if the kids weren't there... Just me, my
567
00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:50.890
mum and dad looking at each other.
568
00:20:50.930 --> 00:20:52.890
How much do you want to see them?
569
00:20:53.049 --> 00:20:53.329
Yeah.
570
00:20:53.690 --> 00:20:57.309
Am I desperate for that three-way chat? No. You're not
571
00:20:57.329 --> 00:20:58.869
desperate for that three-way, are you, Rob?
572
00:20:58.910 --> 00:21:00.769
No, as I sit there and hear about, like, what
573
00:21:00.809 --> 00:21:03.480
their mate down the road's been up to, what their
574
00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:04.200
doctor's doing.
575
00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.640
My mum, like, it's word association with my mum. Like,
576
00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:09.480
you know, I don't know if she's always been like this,
577
00:21:09.500 --> 00:21:10.900
but you know when she'll ask you about something and
578
00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:12.680
then you say something and it just sparks something in her.
579
00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.599
Like, how was the hospital?
580
00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:15.559
Oh, yeah, it was all right.
581
00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.740
Couldn't find parking. Oh, I couldn't in Ilford. You're like,
582
00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:21.140
now we're just talking about her trip to Ilford.
583
00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:22.369
That's what we're talking about.
584
00:21:22.380 --> 00:21:23.650
Yeah, so she's actually how the hospital was and you
585
00:21:23.670 --> 00:21:24.990
said there was bad parking and then she's on her
586
00:21:25.029 --> 00:21:26.170
own story about parking.
587
00:21:26.609 --> 00:21:28.190
It's just an old association.
588
00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:29.549
Yeah, is that all old people?
589
00:21:29.789 --> 00:21:33.009
Is it? It's us on this podcast, to be fair.
590
00:21:33.069 --> 00:21:33.609
True, yeah.
591
00:21:33.650 --> 00:21:36.230
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a podcast. Yeah, but at least
592
00:21:36.390 --> 00:21:40.380
you can choose to listen to this. Do you know
593
00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:40.619
what I mean?
594
00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.700
It's like you can't just sort of say to your mum,
595
00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.079
I'm not really feeling the podcast this week.
596
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:47.940
Phone down, you know what I mean? Your mum seems
597
00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:48.880
to be able to say it to you.
598
00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:49.259
No.
599
00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.779
I was saying Monday.
600
00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.880
My famous son and his beautiful kids.
601
00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:57.019
No, we're busy.
602
00:21:57.420 --> 00:21:57.839
We're busy.
603
00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.099
I wouldn't mind. Do you know what they said the
604
00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:00.960
other day? What were they busy with? Do they give
605
00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:01.579
you specifics?
606
00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:04.160
You will never guess in a million years, I'm going.
607
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:04.349
To tell you.
608
00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:04.529
27 euros.
609
00:22:04.549 --> 00:22:06.710
They went down to the local.
610
00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.900
They went down to the local pub, to the function room,
611
00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.480
to watch their GP play drums in a band.
612
00:22:15.700 --> 00:22:18.700
What's their GP? Oh, their doctor? Fucking hell.
613
00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:19.299
What?
614
00:22:19.339 --> 00:22:20.980
It's the only way you can get to see your GP.
615
00:22:22.329 --> 00:22:23.160
Oh, there we go.
616
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:23.789
Lovely stuff.
617
00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:26.609
I bet your dad was bending over for a prostate
618
00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:27.630
exam with a drumstick.
619
00:22:28.609 --> 00:22:31.250
No, the thing is, when you get to that age,
620
00:22:31.490 --> 00:22:33.470
you can get into GPs whenever you want. It's like
621
00:22:33.509 --> 00:22:35.109
an open door policy over 80.
622
00:22:35.109 --> 00:22:36.930
I bet he was fucking gutted to see them.
623
00:22:37.250 --> 00:22:39.809
No, they invited him down. He didn't mean it. He
624
00:22:39.849 --> 00:22:41.950
just was trying to get them out of the room. Yeah,
625
00:22:41.970 --> 00:22:45.009
but they've gone there over seeing me. Can you play
626
00:22:45.029 --> 00:22:46.750
the drums?
627
00:22:47.109 --> 00:22:49.210
What's his band? Did they give you any more specifics
628
00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:49.750
on his band?
629
00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:53.069
No, but he also edits video because he's offered to
630
00:22:53.170 --> 00:22:55.549
edit my stand-up tour shows.
631
00:22:55.569 --> 00:22:57.329
They're cheap. And I think he does magic.
632
00:22:58.490 --> 00:23:01.160
Personally I wouldn't have him as my doctor no offence
633
00:23:01.180 --> 00:23:02.400
to him but there's too many other.
634
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.569
Things he's into yeah yeah what are you Miss Rabbit
635
00:23:04.630 --> 00:23:06.170
in Peppa Pig you just have.
636
00:23:06.170 --> 00:23:06.710
One job.
637
00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.900
Well, I want from my doctor someone that's into medicine,
638
00:23:11.500 --> 00:23:14.059
not playing drums. Someone that's got a book on funny
639
00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:15.079
moles because.
640
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:17.940
He's into it. By the way, before I tell you
641
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:20.680
your test results... Shall I ring my mum and ask
642
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.180
her about this doctor and what she's into?
643
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:26.299
I don't want to be a bit of a knob,
644
00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:28.819
but you know that kind of like, you're Rob Beckett.
645
00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:31.509
You know, people know you, you're off the telly. This
646
00:23:31.589 --> 00:23:35.329
idea that he's, presumably he's a professional doctor, amateur videographer.
647
00:23:35.349 --> 00:23:37.569
This idea that it's like, if he needs anyone to
648
00:23:37.589 --> 00:23:40.589
do his stand-up videos, you're like, I think my team
649
00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:41.990
have got that covered.
650
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.339
I do think if I rang up my agent and said,
651
00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:45.240
don't worry about the.
652
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.480
Editor.
653
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:50.380
My mum and dad have sorted me out a videographer
654
00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:54.849
from Margate. He's currently a GP. I've requested an appointment
655
00:23:54.890 --> 00:23:57.019
to do the editing. Someone's going to room you back
656
00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:57.519
in three weeks.
657
00:23:58.509 --> 00:23:59.789
You don't want to be in three weeks. Sometimes it's
658
00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:02.789
like my mate went the other day, like a mum
659
00:24:02.829 --> 00:24:05.329
on school, oh, we're doing like the local little street
660
00:24:05.369 --> 00:24:07.769
festival that's in the summer. It's like, we've got a
661
00:24:07.769 --> 00:24:10.230
bit of budget. And then they went, just a little bit,
662
00:24:10.289 --> 00:24:12.170
if you want to do like 40 minutes, I'm going
663
00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:14.119
to do 40 minutes on a.
664
00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:16.039
Street in my local area.
665
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:16.319
40 minutes.
666
00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:18.880
You don't want to be that guy that goes... There's
667
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.420
not enough budget in the world.
668
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:21.599
There's not enough.
669
00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:22.759
Budget in the world.
670
00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:25.680
Even if you'd get paid to do a big cabaret
671
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.039
end of a night set at a big awards do,
672
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:30.099
it's 20 to 30 max.
673
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.779
It's just kids running around with bubbles that are friends
674
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:33.509
with my kids.
675
00:24:33.529 --> 00:24:35.450
What am I going to talk about? I'll quickly run
676
00:24:35.470 --> 00:24:38.440
around and find out what... No, work's work, isn't it?
677
00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:39.410
She's busy.
678
00:24:39.809 --> 00:24:41.529
She's actually getting the kids in an hour because.
679
00:24:42.750 --> 00:24:44.630
She's going to think there's something wrong with the kids.
680
00:24:44.789 --> 00:24:45.910
She ain't bothered about your world.
681
00:24:45.930 --> 00:24:46.769
She's out of care, does she?
682
00:24:47.289 --> 00:24:48.170
New number, who dis?
683
00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:52.190
OK.
684
00:24:53.250 --> 00:24:55.410
And that's... She'll get a call back. She'll call back.
685
00:24:55.450 --> 00:24:58.680
Yeah, that's summed up your relationship with your mum there. Lovely.
686
00:24:58.700 --> 00:25:00.400
What, are you looking at your text with her now?
687
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:02.619
Now I'm paranoid that she's never asked me and I
688
00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:04.500
only ask her to meet up. You've got it in
689
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:04.779
my head.
690
00:25:05.059 --> 00:25:05.960
No, I have got it in your head.
691
00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:07.039
You said.
692
00:25:07.789 --> 00:25:10.809
So do you ask your daughter to meet up, your 23-year-old,
693
00:25:10.829 --> 00:25:11.829
or is she coming to you?
694
00:25:12.069 --> 00:25:14.130
No, yeah, she'll come to me. We do nice things.
695
00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:16.630
She's sort of done that sort of transition where she's
696
00:25:16.650 --> 00:25:18.029
got a bit of a flatmate and then it's a
697
00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:20.069
little bit... You know that first realisation in the world,
698
00:25:20.109 --> 00:25:22.069
you're sort of full of confidence, then you realise, oh,
699
00:25:22.190 --> 00:25:24.250
all of my confidence is based on rolling my eyes
700
00:25:24.309 --> 00:25:26.609
at my parents. Now I'm out in the world, maybe they...
701
00:25:27.009 --> 00:25:30.150
do know a thing or two about the washing machine
702
00:25:30.190 --> 00:25:32.009
and paying bills. Do you know what I mean? So
703
00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:34.630
I'm trying to make sure, because I've got the little ones,
704
00:25:35.230 --> 00:25:36.970
I've realised she does suffer from that. So I've done
705
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:38.880
little things like I took her to Morocco for a
706
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:39.660
little spa break.
707
00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:40.640
Oh, nice.
708
00:25:40.700 --> 00:25:42.880
I try and have one-on-one time with my kids.
709
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:43.759
I think that's important.
710
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.019
Even when the younger ones separate as well, like they
711
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.259
really come out of the shell and they operate as
712
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:49.839
an individual, not a pair.
713
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.799
It's nice. We call it divide and conquer me and
714
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.440
my husband with the little ones. Sometimes we look at
715
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:54.880
each other going, oh, I'll take that. And then all
716
00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:57.680
of a sudden you go, oh, I didn't know you. Yeah,
717
00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:59.440
they come to life, don't they? Especially when you're with
718
00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:00.460
the little one for the day.
719
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.299
Yeah, and they're sitting in the front because normally they're
720
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.599
in the back chatting and then you've got them in
721
00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:04.019
the front.
722
00:26:04.180 --> 00:26:04.460
Yeah.
723
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:05.920
I think they're sort of really nice.
724
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:06.799
Henry, you got again too?
725
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.119
Two.
726
00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:08.359
How old today again?
727
00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:09.259
Eight and five.
728
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.380
Okay, that's cute.
729
00:26:13.660 --> 00:26:14.829
We're rolling.
730
00:26:15.109 --> 00:26:17.490
Are we rolling? Oh, fuck.
731
00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:17.890
Eddie.
732
00:26:18.069 --> 00:26:18.329
Yeah.
733
00:26:18.490 --> 00:26:19.390
It's not great.
734
00:26:19.430 --> 00:26:21.690
Normally when you're rolling, you are in character.
735
00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:22.829
Yeah, I am, yeah.
736
00:26:23.349 --> 00:26:25.269
Do you like being yourself? Are you one of those
737
00:26:25.349 --> 00:26:26.400
actors that hates being....
738
00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:32.210
I don't mind being myself. I like disappearing.
739
00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:33.569
It's what I.
740
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:37.460
Do, and I quite like that. Initially, when I first started,
741
00:26:37.660 --> 00:26:39.779
I thought I was going to be the next Tommy Steele.
742
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:40.319
Yeah.
743
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.779
Like, charismatic cockney. That's not a bad one. I realised
744
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:46.980
very early on that I was going to be Long
745
00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:47.859
Chaney Jr.
746
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:48.619
Yeah.
747
00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:50.799
And play all the monsters, so I thought, might as
748
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:51.279
well earn.
749
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.880
A few bucks. LAUGHTER So how are you out in public, though?
750
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.740
Because, you know, you've done so many films now and
751
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.480
you're so known and loved. Do you find that a
752
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.559
bit overwhelming when people, like, recognise you and want to
753
00:27:01.579 --> 00:27:02.240
talk to you when, obviously.
754
00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.839
You're, like, disappearing and being a character?
755
00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:07.000
You know what's funny? It's people who recognise me for
756
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:07.740
different things.
757
00:27:08.059 --> 00:27:08.279
Yeah.
758
00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:10.420
I mean, a lot of people recognise me for Ray Donovan.
759
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.000
Yeah.
760
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.779
And especially if you go over to the States, Ray
761
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.289
Donovan is a big thing. But over here, some people
762
00:27:16.349 --> 00:27:18.490
recognise you for the Mike Lee thing and they want
763
00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:20.450
to sit down and talk to you about it. the
764
00:27:20.529 --> 00:27:25.059
artistic credentials of doing that. And then a lot of
765
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.799
the youth know me from Hancock, so they just want
766
00:27:27.819 --> 00:27:30.160
to talk to me about Will Smith. And you talk
767
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:31.619
about that, you know.
768
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.140
That peaked after the Oscars.
769
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:34.519
Yeah, yeah.
770
00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:36.759
They said, what would you have done if you was
771
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.380
Chris Wright? I said, I've had him already.
772
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:44.230
I've done him again. I've done him again. So how
773
00:27:44.369 --> 00:27:46.190
many kids have you got? You've got four kids, Eddie.
774
00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:47.150
I've got four kids, yeah.
775
00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:51.690
I've got a 15-year-old, 17-year-old, 20-year-old and 21. Wow.
776
00:27:52.289 --> 00:27:55.990
So have some of them flown the nest?
777
00:27:56.069 --> 00:27:58.549
Yeah, my two oldest have flown the nest. They're at
778
00:27:58.609 --> 00:28:03.029
university in drama school. Both of them? Yeah, and my
779
00:28:03.049 --> 00:28:07.450
17-year-old's about to go into university and my 15-year-old's about
780
00:28:07.490 --> 00:28:08.130
to do A-levels.
781
00:28:08.569 --> 00:28:10.710
And when you've got someone going to drama school, do
782
00:28:10.750 --> 00:28:15.009
you think, oh, my God, It's a tough industry, or
783
00:28:15.029 --> 00:28:17.809
do you think amazing? I'm so proud of them.
784
00:28:18.369 --> 00:28:20.130
I don't think they realise how tough it is.
785
00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:22.259
Yeah, because they've seen someone sail through it.
786
00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:25.480
Yeah, they only see working actors. They don't realise how
787
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:25.980
tough it is.
788
00:28:26.299 --> 00:28:28.539
Also, as well, they must see you being you, which
789
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.779
is like just a normal dad. Yeah.
790
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:32.700
Going off to do something and going, well, if he
791
00:28:32.740 --> 00:28:34.039
could do it, and he's that bloke, he.
792
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.869
Could do it. And the funny thing is, because when
793
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.029
your dad... There's a funny thing, when your dad... you're
794
00:28:40.069 --> 00:28:43.369
quite useless at home. I mean, I was away so much,
795
00:28:43.450 --> 00:28:45.769
my wife kept it all going, so when I came home,
796
00:28:45.789 --> 00:28:46.430
I just fitted in.
797
00:28:46.450 --> 00:28:47.789
I'm quite useless.
798
00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:52.630
So whenever they consider what I do, they think, well...
799
00:28:52.819 --> 00:28:53.559
He is useless.
800
00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:56.900
They've seen you at your worst most days. They've seen
801
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.299
me at my worst.
802
00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:00.329
So they kind of go, well, you know, if he
803
00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:02.589
can do it, I can do it. I remember being
804
00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:05.190
in Bethnal Green and there was a guy with, he
805
00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:07.269
had a drug addiction, he used to be on the street,
806
00:29:07.289 --> 00:29:09.170
and he came up to me at Bethnal Green and went, Ed,
807
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:11.259
I want to ask you about acting because I looked
808
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:12.819
at you and I thought, well, if.
809
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:13.440
He can do it.
810
00:29:15.829 --> 00:29:18.430
Well, that representation's important, and you've done a lot about that,
811
00:29:18.450 --> 00:29:21.349
about working-class people being in the arts. I think that's
812
00:29:21.369 --> 00:29:23.500
so important because, you know, if you can see someone
813
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.960
else doing it, then it looks achievable rather than it
814
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.779
being totally alien. For me, I used to love Billy
815
00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:31.559
Connolly and Richard Pryor, but they felt like such... He
816
00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:32.880
was obviously, like, a folk singer.
817
00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:33.049
Yes.
818
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.710
And from Scotland, which, when you grab him in South
819
00:29:34.730 --> 00:29:35.470
East London, he's like.
820
00:29:35.349 --> 00:29:37.390
This crazy guy. There's not a huge amount of similarities
821
00:29:37.430 --> 00:29:39.029
between your act and Billy Connolly's, though.
822
00:29:39.230 --> 00:29:39.809
Well, right, then.
823
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:44.039
And Richard Pryor and his mad stories about growing up
824
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.190
neither of them are anything like you but when I
825
00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:51.210
saw Alan Davis and Peter Kay talking about dogs and
826
00:29:51.250 --> 00:29:53.910
baked bean juice and biscuits and all that I was
827
00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.960
like oh these are talking about things I understand and
828
00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.480
maybe I can do it.
829
00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:03.539
So for your kids, it must be weird that they're
830
00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:05.480
going into a world now where they're going to uni
831
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.380
and studying and stuff like that and they're growing up
832
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.799
in a totally different way to how you grew up.
833
00:30:10.950 --> 00:30:13.470
Well, one of the hardest things about, for me, being
834
00:30:13.509 --> 00:30:17.269
a parent is I come from a completely different background
835
00:30:17.309 --> 00:30:20.140
to the ones my kids live in. So sometimes you
836
00:30:20.180 --> 00:30:24.130
don't realise how alien it is. When my boys came
837
00:30:24.170 --> 00:30:26.369
from West London, went to quite a posh school, and
838
00:30:26.390 --> 00:30:28.759
they'd play football, and all the other dads would be like, oh,
839
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.279
well done, Jasper, well done. And they'd be on the, like,
840
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:31.960
come on.
841
00:30:32.019 --> 00:30:36.859
Far post, boy! Far post! Come on, I'll accuse.
842
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.839
You against that! One day, my son, my eldest son,
843
00:30:39.859 --> 00:30:42.369
my daughter's the eldest, but my eldest boy, he was
844
00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:44.069
in the middle of a football game, and he stopped,
845
00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:46.170
he stopped running, he said, Daddy, let's cockney.
846
00:30:46.349 --> 00:30:52.470
Let's cockney! LAUGHTER You've got range, haven't you? Come on.
847
00:30:52.509 --> 00:30:55.049
Can you disappear for a bit, Dad, at the moment?
848
00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:56.029
Let's go, mate.
849
00:30:56.049 --> 00:30:57.950
Listen, my dad used to have a fag hanging out
850
00:30:57.970 --> 00:31:00.119
his mask. Go on, boy. And I was literally my
851
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:01.160
father for a minute.
852
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.480
Yeah, go on, boy. My dad, we had a neighbour
853
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.250
called Roy the Boy. He was a cab driver. And
854
00:31:08.269 --> 00:31:11.250
he had his cab. It was perfectly clean, black cab driver.
855
00:31:11.349 --> 00:31:13.869
And it had done 300,000 miles, right?
856
00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:16.430
And I lived sort of near Mottingham, Elton Way. And
857
00:31:16.890 --> 00:31:18.680
I had a girlfriend in Islington, North London.
858
00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:19.380
All right, big shot.
859
00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:20.940
Yeah, I don't want to show off, but I've had girlfriends.
860
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.940
You're punching me, aren't you?
861
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.799
Exactly. At the Angel.
862
00:31:25.099 --> 00:31:26.299
And he'd come up to me, and he was so,
863
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.309
that generation of people, he might have been about your
864
00:31:28.349 --> 00:31:29.160
dad's age, actually.
865
00:31:29.430 --> 00:31:31.529
He'd come up and went, what you going up to
866
00:31:31.609 --> 00:31:32.910
North London for, boy?
867
00:31:33.769 --> 00:31:35.450
It was like going all the way there for a
868
00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:38.349
girl but that boy boy that sort of died.
869
00:31:38.190 --> 00:31:40.450
Off a little bit calling the kid boy do you
870
00:31:40.890 --> 00:31:43.559
say I came up in this situation all the.
871
00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:46.019
Time and the worst thing I did was to tell
872
00:31:46.059 --> 00:31:49.880
my kids because I left school at I left school
873
00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:52.220
at 15 before I was 16 because I didn't really
874
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.390
do any GCSEs so I got no qualifications and I
875
00:31:55.470 --> 00:31:59.220
thought I thought that would inspire them because I was
876
00:31:59.259 --> 00:32:02.059
giving them a good life. And I said, look, you know,
877
00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:05.549
but I soon realised that they would say to me, Daddy,
878
00:32:05.589 --> 00:32:07.430
you don't know what you're talking about because you never
879
00:32:07.470 --> 00:32:09.880
did exams. So there was a point where I was
880
00:32:09.910 --> 00:32:13.799
just useless. There was nothing I could do. And even
881
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.759
doing drama at school, I can't really give many notes
882
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.640
because I'm not really an experienced actor. I'm just Daddy,
883
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.829
and Daddy's useless. Really?
884
00:32:24.849 --> 00:32:26.630
Did you go up through drama school and stuff?
885
00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:27.369
I went to drama.
886
00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:30.650
I eventually got into Mountview when I was... I was
887
00:32:30.690 --> 00:32:34.289
an apprentice printer initially, and I was in a club
888
00:32:34.349 --> 00:32:37.180
in Mayor Street in Hackney, and I was dancing in
889
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.660
the club, and... with my mate Emmanuel, and Emmanuel was
890
00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:43.619
like tall, St. Lucian, of St. Lucian descent, looked gorgeous,
891
00:32:43.660 --> 00:32:45.220
and he ended up being a model. And someone asked
892
00:32:45.269 --> 00:32:47.730
him to be an extra in a movie. And he said, yeah,
893
00:32:47.769 --> 00:32:49.390
can I take Eddie? And they took me, and I
894
00:32:49.430 --> 00:32:51.609
was there, and I saw Jamie Foreman, who became a
895
00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:54.069
friend of mine, do a scene on this dance floor.
896
00:32:54.109 --> 00:32:56.210
We had to walk across the dance floor. And I
897
00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:57.910
suddenly thought, God, I want to be an actor. That's
898
00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:00.539
what I want to do. And that's how it started.
899
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.859
So how did you then go to get into drama school?
900
00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:05.650
Well, first of all, me and Emmanuel... I tried to
901
00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:08.019
get in drama school, so Emmanuel coached me on, and
902
00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:09.740
neither of us knew what we were doing. So I
903
00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:11.920
used to be a printer, right? So in printing, you've
904
00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:14.460
got this thing called, I don't want to bore you,
905
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.640
but printing is all about the chemical balance between the
906
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.339
ink and the paper.
907
00:33:17.660 --> 00:33:17.799
Right.
908
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:19.809
And when it's wrong, you get this thing called scumming,
909
00:33:19.990 --> 00:33:21.809
where the paper gets dirty, right?
910
00:33:21.849 --> 00:33:22.230
Yeah.
911
00:33:22.329 --> 00:33:24.529
So on Shakespeare, you know in Shakespeare, you've got a
912
00:33:24.549 --> 00:33:28.230
lot of commas, like where before words, like there's a
913
00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:30.150
comma where they miss out the beginning of a word.
914
00:33:30.170 --> 00:33:34.059
I didn't know what that was. So I'm reading this
915
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.079
thing and I'm going, man, look at that scumming on that.
916
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:39.599
I have no idea what he's doing.
917
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.329
And I tried for about four years to get into
918
00:33:42.349 --> 00:33:43.509
drama school. Eventually got in.
919
00:33:43.529 --> 00:33:46.990
Didn't your boss pay for you to go in?
920
00:33:47.089 --> 00:33:49.430
Yeah, he was an East End bookmaker. He said, what
921
00:33:49.450 --> 00:33:50.569
do you want to do? I said, what do you
922
00:33:50.589 --> 00:33:52.259
want to do, boy? And I said, I want to
923
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.210
be an actor. He said, well, if you get in,
924
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.599
I'll pay.
925
00:33:54.859 --> 00:33:55.180
And he did.
926
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:55.740
Oh, wow.
927
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:56.279
Wow, that's amazing.
928
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.220
He used to run a book in Walthamstow Dog Track.
929
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.470
Oh, wow. So it's a totally different childhood your kids
930
00:34:01.509 --> 00:34:02.009
have had.
931
00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:04.849
Completely different. Completely. But they love going back to the
932
00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:07.269
East End. They love going back. They go back there.
933
00:34:07.309 --> 00:34:07.809
They go back.
934
00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:10.710
Emmanuel's mum, his mum, my kids go and see her
935
00:34:10.750 --> 00:34:12.190
at Christmas and they take her flowers.
936
00:34:12.230 --> 00:34:14.309
Oh, wow, you still... I'm still very.
937
00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:16.090
Much in touch with her, yeah. My kids love that.
938
00:34:16.389 --> 00:34:17.190
It's funny because.
939
00:34:17.230 --> 00:34:18.329
It's changed a lot, right?
940
00:34:18.869 --> 00:34:20.389
Not down my end.
941
00:34:20.849 --> 00:34:21.510
Oh.
942
00:34:21.849 --> 00:34:24.409
Once you get past Policis, it's still the same. I mean,
943
00:34:24.469 --> 00:34:28.090
up near Shoreditch, you saw, you know, a hipster socialist
944
00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:28.610
walking around.
945
00:34:28.690 --> 00:34:31.170
It was twats that moved into Victoria Park. Yeah, yeah.
946
00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:32.130
That was me, I left, I left.
947
00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:36.289
LAUGHTER I've gone back to Devon, Maurice.
948
00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:37.110
So four kids.
949
00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:40.610
Yes. And they presumably have come on, you know, you've
950
00:34:40.630 --> 00:34:44.199
been busy for, you know, 20 years, like super back
951
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.239
to back, presumably.
952
00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:47.960
And they've grown up on, they've grown up travelling. When
953
00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:52.119
we did, we did Ray Donovan and my wife, bless her,
954
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:53.980
was amazing. She had four kids under the age of
955
00:34:54.019 --> 00:34:57.099
seven and she used to take them on planes over
956
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:58.619
to LA to see me.
957
00:34:59.010 --> 00:34:59.409
Oh my word.
958
00:34:59.429 --> 00:35:01.969
Like school holidays and summer holidays and be with me.
959
00:35:02.900 --> 00:35:05.380
And they were amazing. They grew up on film sets.
960
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.619
They grew up in Culver City. We did Ray Donovan.
961
00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:09.860
They grew up around that. And they used to love
962
00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:11.969
all the food because they had a load of sweet.
963
00:35:11.989 --> 00:35:13.829
You could always tell when Eddie's kids were there because
964
00:35:14.190 --> 00:35:16.809
all the door handles in the studio were sticky because
965
00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:17.309
the kids were going.
966
00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:22.699
LAUGHTER And were the studio and the producers happy for
967
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:23.059
that to happen?
968
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:23.789
Yeah, they loved it.
969
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:24.659
It was encouraged.
970
00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:27.289
We have had two kids. Dash had a kid. So
971
00:35:27.309 --> 00:35:28.349
we'd all have barbecues.
972
00:35:28.389 --> 00:35:29.590
All the kids grew up together.
973
00:35:29.630 --> 00:35:30.030
Oh, nice.
974
00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:31.170
Amazing. It was great fun.
975
00:35:31.269 --> 00:35:33.130
Because your partner was a make-up artist, is that right?
976
00:35:33.150 --> 00:35:34.650
My wife was a make-up artist. She's a writer now,
977
00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:35.329
but she was a make-up artist.
978
00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:35.610
Oh, wow.
979
00:35:35.659 --> 00:35:36.670
Yeah, so is that how you met?
980
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:37.360
Yeah, yeah.
981
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.179
And then did she stop that one? The kids were
982
00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:40.440
younger then when you were working.
983
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.159
She met me. Do you remember Monkey Magic?
984
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:42.300
Yeah.
985
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.679
No, what was Monkey and Pigsy?
986
00:35:43.699 --> 00:35:44.260
Monkey and Pigsy.
987
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:45.559
Do you remember that?
988
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.340
Oh, not when it was dubbed? Yeah, yeah.
989
00:35:48.889 --> 00:35:51.150
I played a movie of that, and I played Pigsy.
990
00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:52.030
Right.
991
00:35:52.150 --> 00:35:52.989
So I was Pigsy.
992
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:54.130
So my wife.
993
00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:55.090
Did that with make-up.
994
00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:58.469
She ended up marrying the pig. But the thing is,
995
00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:01.920
the boyfriend before me was, like, good-looking, and he was
996
00:36:01.940 --> 00:36:04.280
a model, and he had headshots. So I used to
997
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.420
put his photograph on the fridge and me as a
998
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.280
pig next to it.
999
00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:10.409
LAUGHTER What you could have won.
1000
00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:11.690
Yeah. Yeah.
1001
00:36:11.750 --> 00:36:14.610
And what are you like as a dad, then?
1002
00:36:15.289 --> 00:36:17.820
Because you seem very affable and fun.
1003
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:21.000
I can be a sergeant major one week and a
1004
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:21.760
hippie the next.
1005
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:22.239
Can you?
1006
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.119
Because you don't know what you're doing, do you?
1007
00:36:24.380 --> 00:36:24.619
No.
1008
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:26.769
You know, when you go to those parent concerts when
1009
00:36:26.789 --> 00:36:28.730
you're a kid and when you're about to have your
1010
00:36:28.769 --> 00:36:30.730
first kid and someone's read a book and they think, well,
1011
00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:31.690
that's how you do it. You think that.
1012
00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:31.789
Yeah.
1013
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.320
You make it up as you go along, really. All
1014
00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:39.449
you can do is just love them, really. And they
1015
00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:41.150
do see the worst of you, and they see the
1016
00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:44.630
best of you. There's two of my kids don't get on,
1017
00:36:44.650 --> 00:36:47.050
and one of my kids the other day kind of
1018
00:36:47.409 --> 00:36:49.769
got really upset and stormed out the house, and we
1019
00:36:49.789 --> 00:36:51.570
didn't know where he was. And then the one that
1020
00:36:51.590 --> 00:36:52.969
he doesn't get on with the phone, he said, no,
1021
00:36:52.989 --> 00:36:54.849
he's with me, don't worry, I've got him. And then
1022
00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:56.889
you suddenly realise that there's connections.
1023
00:36:56.469 --> 00:36:58.730
You don't realise.
1024
00:36:58.809 --> 00:37:00.389
And it's really good like that, really.
1025
00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:00.789
Yeah.
1026
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:08.460
I got funny stories. I meditate because I suffered from anxiety,
1027
00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:11.119
so I meditate every day. And I was trying to
1028
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.429
teach two of my kids, my two youngest, to meditate
1029
00:37:14.710 --> 00:37:16.190
because they were like running around.
1030
00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:17.329
What age was this when they were little?
1031
00:37:17.349 --> 00:37:19.030
And I said, right, we're going to meditate, boys. So
1032
00:37:19.070 --> 00:37:20.250
sit down, I'm going to show you how to do it.
1033
00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:22.519
And I sat down. And I closed my eyes with them,
1034
00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:25.059
and I thought, for a couple of minutes, and I thought,
1035
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.820
this is going really well. And I was talking them
1036
00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:28.190
through it, closing my eyes.
1037
00:37:28.789 --> 00:37:29.969
And I thought, they're really quiet.
1038
00:37:30.389 --> 00:37:34.110
And I opened my eyes, and the older one is standing,
1039
00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:36.409
he's pulled his pants and trousers down, and he's getting
1040
00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:40.739
his willy, and he's going... LAUGHTER And the younger one
1041
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:42.659
is crying, laughing, trying not to laugh.
1042
00:37:42.699 --> 00:37:44.980
You've got your eyes just taking a mick out of me.
1043
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.570
LAUGHTER Did you always want a big family like that?
1044
00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:50.389
I came before.
1045
00:37:50.409 --> 00:37:55.409
It must be exciting. Like, always stuff going on and like... Yeah, it's...
1046
00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:57.429
I mean, exciting stroke exhausting.
1047
00:37:57.659 --> 00:38:00.090
Yeah, it's both. I mean, life's like that, though, isn't it?
1048
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.800
I mean, life's... One thing you realise... One thing I've
1049
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.480
realised was that when I was younger and I wanted
1050
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.039
to be an actor, I thought once I achieved that,
1051
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:13.059
life's just going to be... Happiness is going to be
1052
00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:15.500
one direction. Yeah. Life expands like a flower.
1053
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:16.019
It expands.
1054
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:21.739
So I love it, but it's also exhausting, stressful. There's
1055
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:25.599
a responsibility. And being a parent is like that, isn't it?
1056
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:26.239
Yeah.
1057
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.780
The joy is one direction, and it's amazing. And the
1058
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.800
love you feel, but the anxiety you feel. I mean,
1059
00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:35.829
I tell my wife to turn off that live 360.
1060
00:38:35.829 --> 00:38:37.769
Is that the tracker thing?
1061
00:38:37.789 --> 00:38:40.329
She knows where I had 21 hours of my life.
1062
00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:41.650
And I say, turn it off.
1063
00:38:41.670 --> 00:38:43.849
I mean, God, if my mum would have known where
1064
00:38:43.909 --> 00:38:46.610
I was, there's no way.
1065
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:55.280
Jack Savaretti, welcome to the podcast.
1066
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:56.340
Thanks for having me, guys.
1067
00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:58.460
Now, obviously, we're just all getting on so well that
1068
00:38:58.480 --> 00:38:59.460
we just started chatting.
1069
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:00.420
I didn't realise we'd started.
1070
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:00.780
No.
1071
00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:02.019
That's how good we are.
1072
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.019
It's been a great show.
1073
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.750
Yeah, yeah. I met you on Graham Norton.
1074
00:39:05.909 --> 00:39:06.489
Yeah.
1075
00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:10.349
But full rundown, three kids. Three kids. How many, what
1076
00:39:10.369 --> 00:39:11.889
did you say, dogs and cats? Four dogs.
1077
00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:14.369
And now we've sort of inherited a cat, not inherited
1078
00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:15.369
a cat, a cat chose us.
1079
00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:17.239
Even though you've got four dogs.
1080
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:19.340
Even though we've got four dogs, which is impressive.
1081
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:19.519
Yeah.
1082
00:39:20.010 --> 00:39:23.239
It took her a while she's somebody had abandoned her
1083
00:39:23.539 --> 00:39:25.739
she's a beautiful cat I'm not a cat person but
1084
00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:27.590
she's a beautiful cat I'm a.
1085
00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.590
Cat person and you've got four dogs it took her
1086
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:30.820
six months.
1087
00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:34.079
I built her like a little chalet meow meow, I
1088
00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:35.800
call it. It's like a little cat house outside. It's
1089
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.219
like a little log cabin for cats.
1090
00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:37.980
Oh, wow.
1091
00:39:38.059 --> 00:39:40.400
And so she started staying in there. And now that
1092
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.449
it's sort of spring and we have the doors open,
1093
00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:44.110
she started to sort of come in.
1094
00:39:44.510 --> 00:39:45.630
And the dogs aren't bothering her?
1095
00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:46.889
The dogs are a little bit scared of her.
1096
00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:47.769
What dogs you got?
1097
00:39:48.139 --> 00:39:51.960
I've got a Border Collie, and then we have three Cockapoos.
1098
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:52.800
Cocker sort of spangles.
1099
00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:53.739
Oh, so they're small dogs.
1100
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.469
No, the Border Collie's quite big. She's quite big. She's
1101
00:39:56.489 --> 00:39:58.050
sort of my soulmate.
1102
00:39:58.250 --> 00:39:58.489
Size.
1103
00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:01.449
Massive. Not that big.
1104
00:40:01.489 --> 00:40:02.210
Big for a dog, though.
1105
00:40:02.289 --> 00:40:03.429
Big for a dog.
1106
00:40:03.489 --> 00:40:04.269
Too big for a dog.
1107
00:40:05.469 --> 00:40:09.000
We just sort of walk everywhere together. She's my soulmate.
1108
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.000
And then the other three are just pretty hectic.
1109
00:40:11.260 --> 00:40:15.710
I was reading your Wikipedia name. And you're not called Jack?
1110
00:40:15.909 --> 00:40:18.469
No, I've always been called Jack. My mother's called me Jack,
1111
00:40:18.489 --> 00:40:19.829
but on my passport, I'm Giovanni.
1112
00:40:19.889 --> 00:40:20.230
Giovanni, yeah.
1113
00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:22.920
I was named after my grandfather. Because I was born
1114
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.420
in London, my mother's English, and she was just like,
1115
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:26.579
Giovanni's going to be a tough one.
1116
00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:28.059
Ah, right.
1117
00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.469
But, you know, especially like early 80s, she was just like,
1118
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.980
She wasn't crazy.
1119
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.159
Because I thought you'd picked a less spectacular stage name.
1120
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.159
I thought you'd go.
1121
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.539
Like, I'm one of the only people who's ever dulled
1122
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:40.989
down their name for the stage.
1123
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.849
No, I've been asked to change my name. I've been
1124
00:40:42.889 --> 00:40:44.489
asked to change my last name a lot in the
1125
00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:44.929
music business.
1126
00:40:44.969 --> 00:40:45.369
Really?
1127
00:40:45.469 --> 00:40:46.869
I'd have thought it's a sell.
1128
00:40:47.530 --> 00:40:49.789
I agree. I think it's interesting. It's also just who
1129
00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:52.530
I am. It is what it is. But I've been told,
1130
00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:54.630
I've got one executive said, if you keep your name,
1131
00:40:54.650 --> 00:40:56.320
we'll have to put you in the world music section.
1132
00:40:56.949 --> 00:41:00.300
I hate the term world music already. It's just music,
1133
00:41:00.340 --> 00:41:00.519
isn't it?
1134
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.460
It's just music, not in English, basically.
1135
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.420
But yeah, that was an interesting... It happened a few times.
1136
00:41:06.460 --> 00:41:08.480
What name did you toy with? Did you ever consider?
1137
00:41:08.989 --> 00:41:10.170
Was there a shortlist?
1138
00:41:10.730 --> 00:41:14.829
No, he did suggest Sav or Savo or something like that.
1139
00:41:14.849 --> 00:41:15.429
Jack Sav?
1140
00:41:15.690 --> 00:41:16.110
Jack Sav.
1141
00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:19.550
Sounds like a criminal from the 50s. Jack Sav used
1142
00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:20.320
to work with the Crane's.
1143
00:41:21.030 --> 00:41:23.659
To be fair, Jack Savaretti sounds like a criminal.
1144
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.110
Yeah, Jack the Hat.
1145
00:41:26.090 --> 00:41:30.039
So that sort of midlife crisis realisation, then you wrote
1146
00:41:30.099 --> 00:41:31.440
the album off the back of that basis.
1147
00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:33.420
Is that what was the motivator?
1148
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.679
It didn't manifest in anything else other than the album
1149
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:36.699
with decisions of.
1150
00:41:37.260 --> 00:41:39.619
No, not really. I mean, it had just come from
1151
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.420
a period where I had lost my father. We'd just
1152
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.800
had a third child sort of thing. We were coming
1153
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:46.679
through that, which was also a shock to the system.
1154
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.610
Because let's just say Celeste, number three, but Celeste, It
1155
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.869
was a surprise. It was a very much like, we
1156
00:41:52.909 --> 00:41:54.989
were sort of out on the other side.
1157
00:41:55.090 --> 00:41:56.190
Six year gap.
1158
00:41:56.630 --> 00:41:58.050
Yeah, 10 year with the eldest.
1159
00:41:58.510 --> 00:41:59.849
Oh God, yes, that's a long, yeah.
1160
00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:01.750
It was a long time and we were starting to
1161
00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:04.789
find ourselves again and starting to just, it was just,
1162
00:42:04.849 --> 00:42:06.809
things were changing. My wife and I were starting to
1163
00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:07.670
hang out a lot more.
1164
00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:08.869
Yeah, of course.
1165
00:42:08.889 --> 00:42:10.289
Hence, hence what.
1166
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.500
Happened. Too much time together. Spending way too much time together.
1167
00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:19.780
It's happened again. But I mean, it was the best
1168
00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:22.090
thing that happened to us. And I'm going to throw
1169
00:42:22.110 --> 00:42:23.590
that cliche out there because it is.
1170
00:42:23.690 --> 00:42:25.610
Oh, of course. Yeah, it's just but it can be
1171
00:42:25.630 --> 00:42:26.329
a shock at the time.
1172
00:42:26.409 --> 00:42:28.840
It was a real shock. My wife was very happy.
1173
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.639
She was really happy. It was a bit like the
1174
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.239
same again. I mean, she might not like me saying this,
1175
00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:34.820
but it was a bit with her midlife crisis. The
1176
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:37.829
same thing with Maggie, the dog. Like keeping her alive.
1177
00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:38.929
This was another thing.
1178
00:42:38.989 --> 00:42:40.929
Yeah, because it's another baby. Yeah, she was having her.
1179
00:42:40.869 --> 00:42:43.690
Own moment of questioning time. And is there time for
1180
00:42:43.769 --> 00:42:45.989
one more? Could I do this again? Should we have
1181
00:42:46.030 --> 00:42:49.130
another one? She was very much in that mentality. I
1182
00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:52.199
really wasn't. I mean, it was just during COVID as well.
1183
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.199
And like it was during the lockdown where finally the
1184
00:42:55.219 --> 00:42:57.500
world did stop for me. I mean, I hate saying
1185
00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:59.980
that because it wasn't a great time. for people but
1186
00:43:00.019 --> 00:43:03.139
for me personally it was really nice to stop and
1187
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.659
to not have that sense of guilt for stopping.
1188
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.559
Yes like I'd always been worried it was taken out.
1189
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.539
Of your control exactly why that somebody else was doing
1190
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:10.719
what I should have been doing and all that it
1191
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:13.119
was like no everything stopped so you can actually turn
1192
00:43:13.179 --> 00:43:15.739
off now and when that happened I was like I
1193
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.550
was tired I realized I was actually really tired and
1194
00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:21.050
when this so when we got pregnant again I was
1195
00:43:21.090 --> 00:43:25.349
like oh man I gotta go back to work this
1196
00:43:25.409 --> 00:43:27.730
is gonna be tough But luckily, it's actually been the
1197
00:43:27.769 --> 00:43:29.769
best source of inspiration for that.
1198
00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:30.250
Yeah.
1199
00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:32.059
For both of us, for my wife and I.
1200
00:43:32.289 --> 00:43:33.030
And what does she do?
1201
00:43:33.409 --> 00:43:34.849
She's an artist. She was an actress.
1202
00:43:35.030 --> 00:43:35.230
Yeah.
1203
00:43:35.369 --> 00:43:37.650
And then during, she's always been an incredible artist. Yeah.
1204
00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.590
But she had focused mainly on her acting and done
1205
00:43:40.610 --> 00:43:43.570
some amazing films, worked with Tim Burton, Francois Ozon, done
1206
00:43:43.590 --> 00:43:46.639
some great stuff. But then during lockdown, again, there was
1207
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.760
a real, she realized, I don't want to go back
1208
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:50.699
out there. I think she had just had her time.
1209
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:50.940
Yeah.
1210
00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:55.340
Getting the job and being rejected was becoming more... I
1211
00:43:55.380 --> 00:43:56.409
think it's horrible.
1212
00:43:56.429 --> 00:43:57.170
It's brutal, actually.
1213
00:43:57.309 --> 00:43:59.630
That becomes kind of the craft, surviving that.
1214
00:43:59.650 --> 00:44:02.489
Do you know what? You so rarely get it in
1215
00:44:02.690 --> 00:44:05.809
our job where you are up for something and there's
1216
00:44:05.849 --> 00:44:08.489
a list of people or you don't know the list
1217
00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:10.719
of people but you have to go along and you
1218
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:11.519
have to audition.
1219
00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:12.599
I don't know.
1220
00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:15.940
It's so rare. Yeah. And then you'd have to watch
1221
00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:19.579
whoever got the job do it. And your whole life,
1222
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.860
if you're an actor, is presumably lived in just this
1223
00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:25.619
kind of edge of, will I get that? What if
1224
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.679
I get that? When do I find out about that?
1225
00:44:28.070 --> 00:44:29.869
I've got a callback. I wonder how many people have
1226
00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:31.809
got a callback. All of that. I don't know how
1227
00:44:31.989 --> 00:44:40.110
every actor isn't insane. A lot of them are.
1228
00:44:40.130 --> 00:44:42.190
The worst part of a normal job, like when I
1229
00:44:42.210 --> 00:44:44.219
worked in an office job, the worst part of working
1230
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.559
in an office job is going for job interviews and
1231
00:44:46.579 --> 00:44:47.360
your first day at work.
1232
00:44:47.659 --> 00:44:48.949
And that's essentially all acting is.
1233
00:44:48.949 --> 00:44:49.409
All the time.
1234
00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:51.610
It's going for the interview and then being there for
1235
00:44:51.630 --> 00:44:52.510
a day and then moving on.
1236
00:44:52.570 --> 00:44:54.030
There is a buzz. I mean, there is a buzz
1237
00:44:54.269 --> 00:44:55.150
if you do get the job.
1238
00:44:55.650 --> 00:44:56.289
Yeah.
1239
00:44:56.710 --> 00:44:58.550
And that was becoming more of her, like she was
1240
00:44:58.869 --> 00:45:02.369
becoming quite competitive. And I think the craft was taking
1241
00:45:02.449 --> 00:45:04.510
a back seat. And that's when she was like, this
1242
00:45:04.570 --> 00:45:07.269
is not good. She didn't like that feeling. It was
1243
00:45:07.309 --> 00:45:09.010
no longer about the craft of acting. It was the
1244
00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:12.210
craft of like the audition, getting the job, which is
1245
00:45:12.289 --> 00:45:13.809
part of it. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, of course.
1246
00:45:13.829 --> 00:45:16.050
I think that's when she was just like done with that.
1247
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.460
And so she wanted to, I think, really master a
1248
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.320
craft again and creation and art was there. Suddenly she
1249
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.239
was in charge. She was the one that could just
1250
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.780
make things come to life from nothing. And she's a
1251
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.159
ridiculously prolific, wonderful and successful artist. So that was an
1252
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.300
interesting switch for both of us as well.
1253
00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:37.260
How did she find you going back on tour then?
1254
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.900
Because obviously you had locked down home together.
1255
00:45:39.500 --> 00:45:39.820
Really?
1256
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.119
I think for multiple reasons. At first it means I'm
1257
00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:45.699
still working, which is a nice thing. But also I
1258
00:45:45.739 --> 00:45:48.730
think We've always had that in our relationship. Yeah. We've
1259
00:45:48.750 --> 00:45:52.110
been together 22 years. So that distance makes the heart
1260
00:45:52.170 --> 00:45:56.019
go fonder. It keeps us incredibly like, you know, the
1261
00:45:56.099 --> 00:45:58.380
choice of being in love rather than it's easy to
1262
00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:59.639
be in love when everything's hunky dory.
1263
00:45:59.760 --> 00:45:59.960
Yeah.
1264
00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:02.460
But to choose it when there's a struggle and all that.
1265
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.989
I think that the touring and being away from each
1266
00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:07.510
other makes you feel like you're sort of fighting and
1267
00:46:07.550 --> 00:46:09.510
holding on to something again. And it does. It is
1268
00:46:09.570 --> 00:46:10.650
incredibly bonding for us.
1269
00:46:11.030 --> 00:46:11.820
Do you find that, Rob?
1270
00:46:12.010 --> 00:46:13.829
Well, it's different for comedians, isn't it? Because we go
1271
00:46:13.869 --> 00:46:15.909
to like Doncaster for the night and drive home.
1272
00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:19.929
I'm not exactly sure.
1273
00:46:19.949 --> 00:46:22.550
No, but with music, when you tour abroad, you tour
1274
00:46:22.570 --> 00:46:25.130
abroad a lot more and you're away for six weeks
1275
00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:27.280
non-stop where comedy really is.
1276
00:46:27.389 --> 00:46:28.980
I'll be back and.
1277
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.860
I'll do the school run but then I'm going to Leeds.
1278
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:34.039
Yeah, but I have to be honest, me personally have
1279
00:46:34.059 --> 00:46:35.800
been able to build much more of that career.
1280
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:36.400
Oh, that's good.
1281
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:40.400
Not by choice, by lack of success maybe also. I
1282
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.820
don't really have, like I'm never away from, like two
1283
00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:43.860
weeks is kind.
1284
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:44.079
Of the limit.
1285
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.780
Yeah, I can't do any more than that, especially with
1286
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:47.159
the kids.
1287
00:46:47.380 --> 00:46:47.840
Totally.
1288
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.800
I don't like it. I don't like what happens. I
1289
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.969
get too detached. They get almost too detached as well.
1290
00:46:53.010 --> 00:46:53.889
They sort of like just.
1291
00:46:53.969 --> 00:46:55.809
Move on without you.
1292
00:46:55.849 --> 00:46:58.210
They're not running to say hello anymore and all that.
1293
00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:00.420
So it becomes a bit. Two weeks is the most.
1294
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.000
Yeah, I think that's a good decision.
1295
00:47:02.179 --> 00:47:05.719
Does it feel different going back out when you've got kids?
1296
00:47:05.739 --> 00:47:06.610
Yeah.
1297
00:47:06.690 --> 00:47:09.289
I think it's getting harder, actually, if I'm totally honest. Like,
1298
00:47:09.590 --> 00:47:12.130
just because parenting is getting so much cooler.
1299
00:47:12.550 --> 00:47:13.349
Yeah.
1300
00:47:13.489 --> 00:47:16.489
Like, I love it. And also, when the first time around,
1301
00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:19.590
you know, you've got a sort of six-month-old kid in
1302
00:47:19.610 --> 00:47:23.369
your hand, and you're like, this is it forever. You
1303
00:47:23.429 --> 00:47:25.840
don't realize how quickly time flies. you don't realize how
1304
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.559
quickly that six-month-old is wanting to spend the weekend with
1305
00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:31.480
friends and not answering your text messages when you're like,
1306
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.440
where are you? Like, suddenly, that's gone. That moment of, like,
1307
00:47:34.579 --> 00:47:37.179
is gone. And so now, I mean, I feel sort
1308
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:41.349
of sorry for my daughter because I am, like, properly, like,
1309
00:47:41.429 --> 00:47:43.570
holding on to every moment I can with her because
1310
00:47:43.610 --> 00:47:49.349
I know how quickly this goes. So I think the absence.
1311
00:47:49.369 --> 00:47:51.349
I literally felt like, you know in a film, a
1312
00:47:51.449 --> 00:47:52.329
soul leaves a body.
1313
00:47:52.349 --> 00:47:52.929
Oh, no.
1314
00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:56.730
Yeah. Should we go back to having all your friends
1315
00:47:56.769 --> 00:48:00.849
there and thinking one decision could ruin it all? I mean,
1316
00:48:00.869 --> 00:48:02.809
you're laughing a lot for someone who's really bringing some
1317
00:48:02.849 --> 00:48:04.210
dark thoughts into the room.
1318
00:48:04.269 --> 00:48:06.510
That's why he's going to sing a songwriter.
1319
00:48:06.630 --> 00:48:08.210
This is like my therapy. I'm giggling.
1320
00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:11.829
Am I allowed to call you a singer-songwriter? Is that allowed?
1321
00:48:11.869 --> 00:48:13.030
It's world music, isn't it?
1322
00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:16.409
Don't ever go in because what he said made you
1323
00:48:16.429 --> 00:48:17.010
question your own.
1324
00:48:17.050 --> 00:48:19.949
It's in English. I've made one world music album in Italian.
1325
00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:22.809
The rest is in English. No, I mean, I'm a
1326
00:48:22.829 --> 00:48:25.829
very jolly person. I only write sad songs, so I
1327
00:48:25.829 --> 00:48:27.389
don't usually write when I'm happy.
1328
00:48:27.449 --> 00:48:30.789
This is an interesting thing. I think the darkest comedians
1329
00:48:30.829 --> 00:48:32.969
are often the lightest offstage, right?
1330
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.480
Yeah, and the light, fluffy ones are the ones that
1331
00:48:35.500 --> 00:48:36.880
are the real evil.
1332
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:39.619
Yeah, they try to cover up a kind of deep... Well,
1333
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:43.380
what I'm trying to say is, Chris Martin's quite a
1334
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.159
laugh from what I can tell, but he's quite sad
1335
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.480
in his songs or whatever. Is there a lot of
1336
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.929
people that do sad music, but they're actually quite a laugh?
1337
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:56.110
In my experience, 100%. Yeah. Lewis Capaldi's a good example.
1338
00:48:56.150 --> 00:48:57.090
Lewis Capaldi's a good example.
1339
00:48:57.110 --> 00:48:59.909
Perfect example. Actually, I always find some, it's the same thing,
1340
00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:01.489
the ones that are making all the jolly sort of
1341
00:49:01.510 --> 00:49:03.110
stuff like that. There's a darkness to them.
1342
00:49:03.130 --> 00:49:03.750
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1343
00:49:03.769 --> 00:49:05.849
They obviously don't want you to see. They're hiding it.
1344
00:49:05.869 --> 00:49:06.730
Yeah, totally, yeah.
1345
00:49:07.070 --> 00:49:08.630
Yeah, for me, it's always been a bit like that.
1346
00:49:08.650 --> 00:49:09.380
I remember when I started out.
1347
00:49:09.389 --> 00:49:11.469
Would you like to provide an example of that person? No.
1348
00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:15.989
No, because I know them quite well.
1349
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:16.980
One of them I know.
1350
00:49:17.030 --> 00:49:17.309
Quite well.
1351
00:49:17.630 --> 00:49:20.510
No, I would never do that. But when I started out,
1352
00:49:20.550 --> 00:49:23.179
for example, I used to, I mean, all the guys,
1353
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:24.920
some of the guys that I really admired, they were
1354
00:49:24.940 --> 00:49:27.920
all very quiet and somber on stage. They wouldn't say
1355
00:49:27.980 --> 00:49:30.059
much in between songs. And I remember when I started out,
1356
00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:32.019
I used to sort of imitate that. It was actually
1357
00:49:32.059 --> 00:49:34.099
my wife who was like, what the fuck is that? Like,
1358
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.260
that's not you. You're the guy who doesn't shut up
1359
00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:39.820
and like, I can hear you laughing from four far
1360
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.889
as a way, why aren't you doing that? And actually
1361
00:49:41.989 --> 00:49:44.590
once I got comfortable with just being that, I think
1362
00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:47.989
the songwriting got better, funnily enough, because I didn't have
1363
00:49:48.010 --> 00:49:50.269
to sort of, I don't know, I was able to
1364
00:49:50.329 --> 00:49:53.030
put it there and it didn't entirely define me, like
1365
00:49:53.070 --> 00:49:55.889
that's just a part of myself, it wasn't my everything.
1366
00:49:56.130 --> 00:49:59.929
There is almost a shame with musicians to being a laugh.
1367
00:50:00.070 --> 00:50:00.869
Yeah, you gotta be cool.
1368
00:50:02.210 --> 00:50:05.099
Do you like C-Mat? Like she, C-Mat is now, she
1369
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.239
had Harry Hill on stage when she did Alexander Palace.
1370
00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:09.309
She's really funny.
1371
00:50:09.789 --> 00:50:10.070
She does.
1372
00:50:10.550 --> 00:50:14.070
And it's the same with Lewis Capaldi. There's totally this
1373
00:50:14.110 --> 00:50:16.429
thing now where I think people are going, oh, I
1374
00:50:16.489 --> 00:50:19.710
can be funny, and it doesn't undermine the music.
1375
00:50:19.809 --> 00:50:22.489
I also think we know more about artists now. I
1376
00:50:22.670 --> 00:50:24.510
think back in the day, there wasn't that much known,
1377
00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:27.469
but they were actually like that. Leonard Cohen was hilarious.
1378
00:50:27.769 --> 00:50:28.070
Right.
1379
00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:28.750
Leonard Cohen.
1380
00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:30.389
Yeah, well, that's a perfect example, right?
1381
00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:32.190
And I don't know if you've seen the documentary on him.
1382
00:50:32.510 --> 00:50:37.039
It's fantastic. He's very witty, very social. You never think that.
1383
00:50:37.059 --> 00:50:40.260
Well, it's like David Bowie's really normal. Whenever you see
1384
00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:43.000
David Bowie interviewed, you're like, oh, he's like a really
1385
00:50:43.099 --> 00:50:44.219
normal bloke.
1386
00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:46.139
That just dresses up and performs.
1387
00:50:46.179 --> 00:50:46.619
Yeah, totally.
1388
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:47.380
I love his interviews.
1389
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.760
Back in the day, they were trying to trip him
1390
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:50.760
up all the time because.
1391
00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:52.219
He was doing something so different.
1392
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:53.039
You must be weird.
1393
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.659
And he was so good at it. He was going, no,
1394
00:50:54.860 --> 00:50:55.780
I'm all right. No, what?
1395
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.699
Brilliant. I love Bowie. Big Bowie fan. But that's definitely,
1396
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:00.639
I think, something that now that we know more about
1397
00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:04.130
those artists, even from that time, Yeah. You don't have
1398
00:51:04.190 --> 00:51:06.670
that weight of having to keep up appearances by being
1399
00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:08.329
cool and quiet.
1400
00:51:08.369 --> 00:51:10.989
Can I ask you about the Graham Norton show? Yeah.
1401
00:51:11.090 --> 00:51:12.010
Because we did that together.
1402
00:51:12.050 --> 00:51:13.829
Thank God you were there, man.
1403
00:51:13.889 --> 00:51:15.309
Did you think he had as bad a one as
1404
00:51:15.329 --> 00:51:16.429
he was?
1405
00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:17.889
What do you mean?
1406
00:51:17.909 --> 00:51:19.969
He's too nice for that. He's trying to pretend I
1407
00:51:19.969 --> 00:51:22.070
had a bad gig. No. No, it's all right.
1408
00:51:22.110 --> 00:51:25.179
He's like sitting next to a naughty school kid. You
1409
00:51:25.219 --> 00:51:27.599
kept making me laugh. I was trying to be cool
1410
00:51:27.619 --> 00:51:29.920
on that sofa. I was like, okay, be cool. Take
1411
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:30.360
a picture.
1412
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:36.400
So was it... Chris Pratt, Cynthia Erivo, Dawn French, me,
1413
00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:36.820
then you.
1414
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:37.340
Yeah.
1415
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:37.719
Right.
1416
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:38.219
It's amazing.
1417
00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:41.590
It's a classic dinner party. You would have met up anyway.
1418
00:51:41.610 --> 00:51:44.110
Well, actually, it's my dream dinner guest party that I'd
1419
00:51:44.190 --> 00:51:45.809
asked for the week before and it just happened. No,
1420
00:51:45.829 --> 00:51:47.929
because as a comedian, you're on at the end to
1421
00:51:47.969 --> 00:51:49.369
try and lighten the mood and be the bit of
1422
00:51:49.409 --> 00:51:52.300
the joke when they've got their sort of like film stars, megastars,
1423
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.860
come on. But it's weird, though, for the musicians because
1424
00:51:55.219 --> 00:51:58.219
you're like not involved at all. Then you sing, you know,
1425
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.300
you do your song and it's very hard to do
1426
00:52:00.340 --> 00:52:03.289
those songs In a studio audience with TV.
1427
00:52:03.309 --> 00:52:04.090
Yeah, one, two, three.
1428
00:52:04.110 --> 00:52:06.369
Yeah, and it's every single person I've seen ever do it.
1429
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:07.579
They're doing it and they're doing really well, but it's
1430
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:10.079
not like a normal gig. You're playing for the environment.
1431
00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:12.159
And then you sort of have to do it twice.
1432
00:52:12.219 --> 00:52:13.679
They make everyone do it twice. You do it once,
1433
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.480
do it another one for cameras or whatever. And then
1434
00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:18.659
they go, right, welcome over, Jack Savarese. So we've been
1435
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:20.210
there for like two hours.
1436
00:52:20.289 --> 00:52:23.070
It's like being late to a party where everyone's getting along.
1437
00:52:23.090 --> 00:52:24.590
You're all out of breath because you've been performing.
1438
00:52:24.650 --> 00:52:25.309
Sweating.
1439
00:52:25.630 --> 00:52:27.409
And then you shuffle over and you're like, hello.
1440
00:52:27.429 --> 00:52:27.989
And it's so awkward.
1441
00:52:28.269 --> 00:52:31.130

1442
00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:34.469

1443
00:52:34.489 --> 00:52:38.159

1444
00:52:38.179 --> 00:52:39.840

1445
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.719

1446
00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:42.960
.
1447
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.079

1448
00:52:45.099 --> 00:52:47.440

1449
00:52:47.500 --> 00:52:49.059

1450
00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:51.119

1451
00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:53.909
please say something a little bit. So that's hanging over
1452
00:52:53.929 --> 00:52:54.349
the song.
1453
00:52:54.369 --> 00:52:55.809
That's hanging over the song.
1454
00:52:56.070 --> 00:52:58.280
Also because some, you talk about Kapow, some guys are
1455
00:52:58.340 --> 00:53:00.699
amazing at it. They'll come and they'll drop that bomb
1456
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.159
that they know will, you know, it'll do something.
1457
00:53:03.179 --> 00:53:05.119
The viral or, you know, that's all they want.
1458
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:06.809
Yeah, but they're good at it.
1459
00:53:06.820 --> 00:53:08.320
Can you say something that go viral?
1460
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:08.599
Exactly.
1461
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:09.550
That's what they kept telling me.
1462
00:53:09.550 --> 00:53:11.349
No, otherwise I'd be doing it all the time.
1463
00:53:11.409 --> 00:53:13.789
But I've never had that until this time. They kept saying,
1464
00:53:14.030 --> 00:53:15.530
just say something that maybe go viral.
1465
00:53:15.650 --> 00:53:16.869
Oh, they actually said that to you?
1466
00:53:16.929 --> 00:53:18.710
Yeah, twice before I went on. I was like.
1467
00:53:18.849 --> 00:53:21.389
If I knew how to do that. I wouldn't have
1468
00:53:21.429 --> 00:53:24.800
to be here. 100%. Because I did Claudia recently, Claudia
1469
00:53:24.820 --> 00:53:28.320
Winkler's show, and the American person, who it always depends on,
1470
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.659
who was the guy from Schitt's Creek, who is called.
1471
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:32.699
Oh, I saw this about Mr.
1472
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.530
Blub. Yeah, he was such a laugh.
1473
00:53:35.570 --> 00:53:36.610
Yeah, he's great.
1474
00:53:36.630 --> 00:53:40.889
Everyone was like, ah, ah. 100%. Just relax.
1475
00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:43.369
I think the best thing to do on those shows...
1476
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.739
is to just have a laugh. Of course. To try
1477
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.139
not to... I think when I was really young and
1478
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:49.619
I went on them, I would try to be very
1479
00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:50.889
serious and whatever.
1480
00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:51.280
Yeah.
1481
00:53:51.389 --> 00:53:53.170
And nothing comes... Like, you sort of just disappear.
1482
00:53:53.190 --> 00:53:54.269
No one wants you to be serious.
1483
00:53:54.289 --> 00:53:55.949
No one wants really... Yeah, it doesn't really work.
1484
00:53:55.969 --> 00:53:59.230
I once sat through an incredibly long chat about Shakespeare,
1485
00:53:59.650 --> 00:54:04.170
and I thought, no one's getting anything out of this.
1486
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