Brian Frasier-Moore: What It Takes to Become a First-Call Drummer | Ep. 17

Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ryan, what's up, man? How are you?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I'm great, man. How you?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: So good. Where you at in the world?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I'm at home actually. In Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: And you're LA based, right? But you're originally from Philly.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: East Coast, yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it. And when'd you make the move to LA?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: man, I made the move for my wife actually.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Really, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, yeah. that that when I met her, I was like, that's it, I'm moving. So that maybe
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That was it.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: maybe like fourteen, fifteen years ago.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow. What was it about her that made you decide to make that switch?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Man, we had been dating and just the energy that I felt from her, the energy I felt when I came out to Los Angeles to be with her. where she lived, it was a certain part of the city where she lived that was just peaceful and calm. I had I had been working out of LA for a while, but you know, Burbank, downtown
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: L A. But then when I went to where she lived, that was just a combination of her and the piece was
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Is she
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Sold me.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: from LA?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: She's from Seattle, but she's been living in Los Angeles for a while. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. So how's that dynamic, man? 'Cause I know you're you're gone a lot and this isn't a new gone. So one of the things
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: I'm always very curious about is how are people sustaining healthy relationships? Not just, you know, the the girlfriend, boyfriend thing, but you've been married, you know, you're doing
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: your guys are doing it. So how how do you manage that dynamic and making sure it stays healthy the whole time?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, it's it's it's some work, you know, but it's it's great work. She's very busy with her job. She's a theater and arts director for a private school and she's been doing that for a long time. So she's busy as well. And I think that's one of the key components between me and her is that she's busy, I'm busy, and we always make time for each other whether she'll come out with me. there was one time where I had started with Madonna. The first time I played with Madonna. And Madonna is notorious for having like three month rehearsals, right? And we were in New York City and she was off from school. So she came out the whole three months and we It was like New York is like our love city, man. Like every time we go there. So we we find time for each other. She travels when I'm home, I'm at her school helping and w with the with the production and everything. And
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: and then we have those times where we're not around each other. You know how that goes when absence makes the heart go fonder, so
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure. Do you guys do anything to make sure I had Chris Payton on and he was talking about like he does a shared counter with his wife. Do y'all do a shared counter or anything like
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm. Absolutely.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: that to kinda make sure yes, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. She knows where I'm going before I do. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. It is.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's helpful though, right? So you're you guys are able to kind of make sure you're you're not overlapping and it's like, okay, babe, I know you're you're off this day. Can we do this?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, absolutely. I mean she most of the time if if what is what is that app? what's that tour app? I'm forgetting it. Master Tour. Master
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Master Tour or okay, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Tour. So I'll have production invite her to the Master Tour so that she just has
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: everything. She knows where I'm going, she knows where I am, the whole
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow. Is that a new thing for you? Cause I mean, a lot of times when we step into new spaces as musicians, we don't typically want to overstep, right? We don't want to ask too much or you kinda have that thing like don't talk to management. But now that you've been say seasoned, right? 'Cause you've been in game for so
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: long, is that a conversation you're like, you what, I just need to have that to keep my actual life in order of like, Hey, production, I need you to add my wife for X File reasons.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No, it's been we've been doing that for a while. We just celebrated thirteen years of marriage, nineteen years together. So that's just a part of our thing. Every everyone that is intertwined in our world know how we are. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: it's just a courtesy that they, you know, offer to us and they understand w where I am with it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's great. That keeps everything healthy and and fair. I think
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: do you find that management at least now understands who you are a little bit better when you say things like that?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, just the respect level, you know, and on some some grown man stuff,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: you know the man that's that's not even an age thing, that's just responsibilities, but you know, they they understand it takes work to make a relationship work.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure. I don't think that's an unreasonable ask either though.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No, not at all. I mean it could be worse. I could be like I want a eight thousand dollar raise, you know what I mean? So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ha ha Right, I c it could go go go that way as well. But I think that's phenomenal, man. I'm sure your your lady really appreciates even just that little gesture of including her in those types of decisions when you're gone, right? You're you've been gone you've been doing this for quite some time. You know, you're
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: one of those people that I always reference to of you've weathered so many storms.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, and and just industry storms, not necessarily personal relationships, but just the industry always shifts. That's just kinda how the thing is. So let me ask you, when you first got started in in the Philly and you you're cutting your teeth in that realm, what were the things that you had to do? You know, kinda coming up and getting your first placement? And I'm sure you didn't start straight in the stadiums, you know, it started in a whole different space.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm. Well well, this is interesting because a lot of people think that I came out the womb playing the stadiums, right? It's just ridiculous. but you know, I grew up in a time where there wasn't any social media, so we have to shift shift our mindset when you when you hear these stories to understand to be heard you had to be there. You know what I'm saying? So to be seen you had to be there. To be seen. So it was it was a little bit tougher just to say even me from Philadelphia wanting to be seen in Los Angeles was like how do I how do I do that? How do I get
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: to Los Angeles today? You know, you you go in your house and you play a drum set and you put it online and somebody in Australia sees you. You know what I mean?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yeah. For f yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so for me starting out, shout out I started out in church. So a big shout out, rest in peace to Al Alexander Ingram. He was a big part of my start. He was the organist at our church at Fellowship Tabernacle. And he not only groomed me But he took me to Edwin he wrote he wrote songs for Edwin Hawkins and and that whole seminar.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So he would take me to Pittsburgh, to the Edwin Hawkins seminar in Pittsburgh, the Edwin Hawkins seminar in Los Angeles. You know, he would take me to these places as a as a kid. That's when I first saw Doobie Powell. I remember him walking into the Hawkins seminar with a pair of sticks, a piccolo snare, and a splash cymbal. And he he walked in and he mur You get what I'm saying. Like, if it wasn't for him, I would have never had those experiences. We didn't see each other online. It was like, who is that guy? And then you learn later, that was Doogie Powell, you know. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: that's how I first started cutting my teeth in Philly. Studio sessions, shout out to James Poiser. He was always there with me, pushing me, playing in gospel sessions, playing at the clubs in Philadelphia. the show. Shout out to Johnny Kroom, who was a musical
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: director then, who put me on Aaliyah Ingenuine. so those so really, and I say this to people, really being seen in your city, like really cutting your teeth in your city, being everywhere, church, clubs, studios, just everywhere I could be. So that's that's kind of how it started for me.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Love that. And then how do you I think now we're we're shifted in space and brought up of before you had to be there, right? And now we've we we've integrated social media. What's the differences that you've seen of how musicians are handling the networking aspect now? Because that is massive. Right, you've been in the game for so long. You have the rapport, you have the relationships, and and not just with MDs and musicians, but management knows you. You know, networks know your name. You know, we're talking massive things. So being there was at one point, and now we can integrate social media, which are also killing it right now. What types of things are you seeing that people should be doing more? How do you integrate it? Like all the things in in that realm. Are you with any thoughts on that?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. I mean I I have this talk quite often and and just wanna say all of the guys that I see on social media, it's a gift. It's it's a gift to be able to see, especially from our our world, like w
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the way we grew up, the church background that we have. To see, I first want to say thank you, Joe Haber. Okay, I want to say
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: thank you, Gerald Haber, and thank you to all the guys on my shirt. You know what I'm saying?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay, yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Thank you to all of these guys on my shirt, right? My heroes. I
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sheesh Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: would like to say that our culture has grown. Look at our culture. It's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: it's reaching Afghanistan, it's reaching China. It's Who would've ever thought, you know, Jeff Davis, look what happened. Look,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Marvin Marvin McQuiddy, look what you did. You know what I'm saying? Like that's first. I I wanna say that. secondary, I think it's a great thing we get to see, but also it's a tricky it's a tricky blend. Right. I talk to musical directors. I ask them questions. I wanna know. What do you guys like? I'm a drummer, so I I know from my aspect. But MDs, what do you see? What do you notice when you see a guy and he's killing online? What do you think? You know?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And it's both worlds. It's man, that guy's incredible, but it can also bring up questions. I wonder how he would sound on on my babies.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Right? So social media I think if guys would look at it more like that, is as much of the chops and everything that you put out is incredible. There's an audience for it, there's an appreciation for it. But also authenticity to different styles and different genres are important too if you say, Hey I want to do this thing full time, right? You have to show all aspects of for me personally, every time I put out a piece of content is strategic. Like I I might come home from a pink tour, get in the studio, and play some trap music.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Just to let hey listen, I know I've been playing this style for a while, but I can play this like today
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I did something for for some content from from Knife Wonder. You know what
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I mean? J just to just to mix it up. So using it strategically is a benefit i if for all of us. Just let them know. Let them know what you can do all around the board.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Do you think it's more or less you're using the word intentional. Do you think people should be intentional about that in terms of if you wanna be the if you wanna have a thousand or hundred thousand followers, okay, there might be some things you need to do. But if you also wanna do, you know, be a call and be able to be trusted, is that kinda where where you're at with that?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. There's there's two different audiences we're talking here. We're talking about people that admire what you do and we're talking about people that actually hire you for what you do. So admire what you do. How many people those have called you for something that's financially lucrative so that you can continue doing your creative thing, right? We
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: this it's a different music industry now. You know what I'm saying? Back back in the day I can write a hit song and buy my mama house. No, it ain't like that no more. Right. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure. Yep. Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so you gotta cover all all bases. If you want to B Brian, this what I hear. Brian, I wanna do what you guys do. I wanna do what the J Rise, I wanna do what the Josh, I wanna do what with the Lil' John. All these guys do, then you gotta do what they do. You gotta do, you gotta be well versed, you have to appeal to these these different people. Musical directors, producers. Do you know the some producers Love chops, but will never hire you for it, right? Some producers
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: say snare kicking hi-hat. What can you do with that? Depending on your your perception, you might look at that as boring. To me, I might look at that as lucrative. Like that that might get me on a linking a Lincoln car commercial that might get me
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: to do this this film score. So it's it's all your pers perspective, but I just wanna let people know it's it's a big world out there, so don't cheat yourself.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, I think you're making you're making a fantastic point because now now you're going into longevity and being able to sustain yourself as a musician. Right? We're not just talking about can you play and can you spend countless hours in the shed? Because we all did that, right? No matter what what route you're choosing, we all have to go that route. But
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: now we're talking about can you survive in the lifestyle that you want? So for you, you decided that you had to do that, right? There you like I gotta make a living. Playing my instrument, being a vital asset. And we've had one-on-one conversations about that. And you wanted longevity, right? You wanted to be literally your words were I wanna be an asset to the musical directors. How do you shape that? And what things did you do to make sure you were a vital asset to not just one or two musical directors, but all of them?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So this is if people n never know what BFM Consultations is about, right? This is what it's about. BFM lessons are about lessons. We play, whatever. BFM consultations is about your aspect and where you want to go in this industry and how to get there. It's simple. If I have musical director A, B, C, D, E, F, and G, I have to study musical director A, B, C, D, and G. Why do they hire this guy? Why do they keep hiring Chris Johnson? Let me see. Okay, why they hire Teddy Campbell? okay, dang, he reading music too. Okay. Why do they hire this? Why do they hire this? Why do they it's it's like basketball. When when you get into the NBA or you wanna get into the NBA, you're watching films. Why
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Anthony Edwards, what is what is ho Anthony E okay, his weak side is this. This is what he does here. He takes off with this, he does all of this stuff. It's the same type of thing. We gotta study the industry to see how to move. But me thinking if I came off a Usher live and Usher let me play Whatever I Wanted and thinking that
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Christina Aguilera was the next thing that I would get after that and I can go play Whatever I Wanted, then I'm sad
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Ron Fair, the the infamous record exec, was the person in the audition. So coming off of Usher, Ron Fair is in front of me. If I don't study to know who Ron Fair is, I'm gonna play myself. So it's just paying attention and studying the industry that you wanna be. At least give the industry that much respect. Just study it. You know.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Right. So it's n it's not just about the music for you. You you are playing and I and I don't wanna say the the wrong words because I don't I'm not gonna say you're playing with people, but you're almost you're learning the person. You're learning the
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, I'm
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: industry, you're learning why, how, before you even start putting application of your own skill setting.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent. the my skill set is probably the last thing I put into. It's it's learning what this musical director likes, learning their arrangements. How do they speak in their arrangements? Let me see. Okay. D. Cobbs did this arrangement. Terrence Vaughn did this arrangement. Denard did this arrangement. How do each one of these guys speak? Okay, cool. Now the authenticity of the record. Let me listen to that. Okay, cool. Now let me see and let me get some trigger sound. What what the sound sound like? Let me chop them up. Okay, cool. Now I put Brian into it. Brian is the last thing that I put into it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: How'd you develop that?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Crashing and burning, you know what I'm saying? Hard
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: s hard old school but w people I saw Gordon Campbell said something on his recent interview about how OGs used to talk to us. Like
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: They were brutal, bro. I mean, it's the same dialogue won't won't probably won't be received in today's time like that.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: but we caught it brutal. It was brutal.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Man, what what you doing? I you remember this? You remember this right here?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And stay in the pocket, bro. Every you don't
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: even have no pocket on your shit. Stay in the pocket, Buster.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: But they s yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: You playing too much. Learn what to give. What and I and I tell you. Honestly, it never stops. Like running into musical directors like Ricky Minor, bro. Demeanor is so supportive. So supportive. So sincere. The music. It's music. Same with the music. The music is beautiful. It's it it's not hard to do. I remember the countless talks he had with me. This this music thing is not hard. It's not hard to do. And then you get in that room with all those readers, Dave
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: DeLone, Paul, Paul Jackson Jr., all them guys, Kevin Ricard, and they read. that paper like it's the Sunday paper. The the standard is high. What are you saying, Brian? What I'm saying is each person has a different thing. We gotta learn what it is and serve it to As long as I'm a hired gun or work for a hire, then I'm going to learn your stuff and and serve back to you what you like so that you'll continue to call me.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense is to make sure you're actually valuable. Right? Making sure that when when an Adam Blackstone calls or, you know, a Ricky Minor calls, you are already thinking, how do they think? You know, not even you,
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: how how would you approach it? That's kind of the last thing on your agenda.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent. Because a lot a lot of these guys, if I'm doing session work from home, they'll send me tracks. But they don't send me explanations. They just they send tracks and they say, Hey Brian, I I have a track. Adam is is notorious for. Brian, when I first started cutting tracks with him, When I got my my s I had my studio for about six, six, seven years now. When I first started cutting with him, I used to he used to send me a track and I used to call him and say, Hey, so what do you want me to do with this track? Like what what what you feeling? You feeling this or feeling this? And he would explain. And then the second time he was he would kinda explain. Then the third time he's like, Would you just play the drums please? And
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: then it clicked and I was like You you have to draw from what you know about these people. If you don't know then you of course you're not gonna know, but if you know how they move, what they like, how they value music, authenticity, w all of this stuff, if you know, you already got the roadmap, so
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ryan. Were you ever were you ever afraid to ask questions?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: We all human. If
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: we are human. It's we love what we do. We'll do it, but when we get in front of people that we have to deliver a service to, we all the same. You know
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: God, are they gonna like it? Is my plan the right thing? Am
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I asking? We all it's we are human.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: But you just get over that and and well, let me ask you this, how did you get over it or do you still deal with it?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: in my head I will always wonder. but in my heart and in my soul, I know what to do. So just do it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it. You've been in I love your journey, at least from what I've seen from the outside, because you and people like Chris Johnson, you all have crossed so many genres at the highest level. It's not just, I played a country gig here or I might have done this thing here. It's like, no, it's at the highest level. How did you develop that skill set? Because a lot of times we see guys that are just good at pop or they might be really good at rock or they might be you know, and that's fine. Be be a specialist in that realm is is totally fine. But I I look up sometimes and I'm like, Brian's doing what? Okay, yeah. And he's what's happening right now, right? And but that's a testimony
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: to how valuable you are and how dynamic you are as a player and versatile you are as a player. Was that a conscious decision for you? Or was that something you're like you developed as you went through the career and was like, I gotta figure this out.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I think all of those things you said apply. even younger, growing up okay, so I grew up in church. When I grew up in church I had to sneak and listen to secular music. My mom and dad wouldn't allow it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So I had to sneak in my in my little headphones. Headphones. Listening to the countdown. Wow, I'm so on my age.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: listening to the countdown, sneak and listen to music. But what my mom and dad would do is they would play BJ Thomas. They would play Amy Grant. I used to listen to Brown Bannister, in the house. Like different genres. So shout out to mom and dads for kind of making that a okay. thing.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: as it progressed on, I was a gospel drummer and I was thrown into it. I was thrown. So opportunities we come. Thank thank the Lord Almighty. Opportunities would come, but I didn't have time to necessarily prepare. I it was just draw from the authenticity of what you know. Let me listen to this record. Okay. He ain't playing hi hats like we do at Church
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: of God in Christ. His drums don't sound like a piccolo. His snare don't sound like a piccolo. His toms are not weighed down with a towel or gaff tape up. Like, all right, I
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: have to I have to emulate that. And I think it was the nervousness of what we talk about. The nervousness of being in those positions and scared to fail.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Just getting Janet. When I got Janet, I I had been on the road. I I had opened for Janet Jackson with Usher when he opened for when Little John murdered that Velvet Road tour. I was there every night on the side stage like a like a cheerleader. Yo God.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: What a class that was. Sheesh.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I I was there when they did the recording for the for the video. I was on side what?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: You saw the taping? that's crazy.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I was like, yo, you just did a HBO Anyway. Okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so, okay. when Janet came, I knew that I would have to play electronics, but if you if you notice, Aliyah Genuine, I didn't play electronics. Christina Aguilera, first tour, What a Girl Wants, I didn't play electronics. None of that I played electronics, none of that. When I got the call for Janet, we had did rehearsals for two weeks. No electronics. So I was like this was back in the day, like we didn't have Roland didn't have SPDS. You know what I'm saying? It w it wasn't
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: we didn't have that. We had Akai Z H. I still got two of them in my rack. Akai Z
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: H and and Drumcat, right? Okay. Yeah,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right. I remember this, yeah, absolutely.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the the the A, A flat, A sharp, each note get anyway.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so the story goes the two weeks in rehearsal without electronics, and then Jimmy Jam comes and says, Brian, hey, I'm sorry, and he has a C D. Not a not a USB, none of that.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: He has a C D and he says, man, I forgot to give you the sounds. I don't facilities. I don't I don't know how what to do with this C D. I don't know how to transfer it to this machine I never used it. Shout out to Chris Oxet, my brother, one of my first drum techs for sitting with me showing me how to do it. But the moral of the story is I was thrown into situations like this is either figure it out or fail. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I think that was the motivation for my just and that just became a part of me. So When I had time to study, I study. When when I got called from Madonna, I'm listening to the whole discography. I'm listening to every song. Wow, I listen look at her drum. I'm looking at Stuart. He was the other drum playing I think it was Stuart, I forget his name. But he was playing on that tour and I was just like, I see. And and looking at this person. Let me see how Mark Schuman was playing on Pink. I see, I see. Let me see how For for Eros, let me see, 'cause Eros was was a different thing I wanted to say. Eros, the directions that I got for that gig was more pointed towards the original records.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: That's what they asked of me because I I was like, Which which direction do you want me to go? And they sent me Leila Minolti, I think that's his name. He's an Italian drummer.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Cole or Sydney Helm, I had to study s s Steve Harron, I had to study
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Vinnie Cal Yuda. So moral of the story is this all became a part of my my upbringing.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's dope though. So walk me through when you got that that C D though. Because I know that could be pretty intimidating right in that moment where you're like, I'm two weeks deep, we locked in the parts, and it's like, plot twist. What what's that thoughts, man?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, plot twist. So I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't I don't smoke marijuana anymore. I used to.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: we was in Vancouver, I ordered an ounce and I sat there and I said, I'm going home. Like I just told my mom, like, mom, I'm playing with Janet and I said I went back to the room and I was like, This is it, I'm going home. I fail. And the my drum tech who later became my drum tech, Chris Ox had. No, he's my drum tech on Christina, but he was keyboard tech on Janet, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And he he called me that night and he said, You alright over there? And I was
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: like, No, it was like, you know, it's been fun, but I'm going home. had nothing to do with my plan. Had nothing to do with the And he came to my room and me, him, and that bag that I ordered, we stayed up all night and he showed me the game Crash Course on the drum cat and the Akaizia and I came in the next day. We had all sounds placed and we were running it. So But yeah. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Shout out, shout out to him. Cause he didn't have to do that.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No, he didn't. He and he's always had my back with that. Since day one, Christina first tour, I got introduced to him. He was my drum tech and he's always walked me through the game. Endorsements, the best
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: thing to do, but my deals, man is with management. Chris Ox said, Thank you, brother.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Shout out Chris, man. Well that you brought up something I I know people will want to talk about. So let's talk about endorsements if you're okay with that. You you're
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Of course.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: you're fully covered, right? You've been fully covered for a long time. I remember watching so many videos of you. I believe you were in your backyard at the time, building the kits and doing
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: the walkthroughs, even when you were with Tam at the time. What what's your thoughts and philosophy on endorsements? Do people chase them? Are they beneficial? How can they be beneficial? That laugh is why I'm asking.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Here we go. okay. Endorsements. Me and my wife had this talk the other day. And I'm gonna answer this, but we had this talk. Do you notice that within the music business, music I'm sorry, within the musician business, right? That endorsements are different.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: What do you mean?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Different. When you hear LeBron James has an endorsement with someone, when
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: you hear that Michael Jordan
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: has an endorsement with someone, it is his name that's going on the product to make that product do what it does.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, a thing. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And and in exchange, of course, they'll give him, you know, shoes, you have unlimited shoes, but there is a financial reward that is attached to an endorsement.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes, sir.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: You come over to the musician business and it's only product that is rewarded. Is this a taboo thing? I don't care. Like I I live I live it every day. It's no it's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: no secret to, you know, so endorsements. Chasing endorsements. Chasing what kind of endorsements are we talking about? endorsements for gear? That's not an endorsement.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: To me, that's that's not an endorsement. It's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: What what would you classify it as?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: a bartering system. Right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm, okay. That's fair.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Because you know, you play our stuff, we give you gear.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Quick exchange.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. It's you you give us your awareness, you give us your your use to use your name and your accounts we'll give you gear. Alright. So that's how I feel about it from that scope. I know my company's probably gonna question me about this, but I don't
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: It's just what it is.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: It is what it is, right? Okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: People chasing endorsements. I think they put too much on it. Like, your name is worth you should be getting paid. Yeah, I tried. I tried. I tried over years to get paid. I I was told that, you know, that's kind of a an old contract and some people are grandfathered in and you you have to search. for that. That's not a normal thing, no matter how much and how valuable you think you are. There's just an industry that doesn't see endorsements like that, if I'm just being honest. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. But I think that's a fair assessment though.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: yeah, so what do I do? Yeah. I use it to the fullest of his capabilities. Like, you know, I built a home studio, so I leaned on my companies to facilitate my home studio and and on the road and I need to have coverage around the world. So these companies will cover me around the world and and signature product, you know, I've I've learned a new way to get more signature product. Do you know do you know that when I first got a signature snare through Tamar, the percentage was below ten percent. Right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Really?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Well that's that's that's the going rate.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow. Okay. This is good information, sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Right? That's the g this the going way. And I was told at that particular time, and I can talk about this because I'm not with them anymore. but I was told at that particular time, which made sense. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: It's it's our shells, it's our hoops, it's our lugs, it's our machines, it's our this, it's our that. We just take your name. Total opposite of what a LeBron, you know what I'm saying? Total opposite of
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right. The deal is really different. We're just saying the same word, but the deal is very different.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: deal is very different. And at that particular time I understood. I was like, damn, that's crazy. Brian, yes, we value you. But when you go out and play these drums to these 50 or 60,000 people, it's not like the next morning we get all of these phone calls to to order kids.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: You say it like that, you know, I get it. Right? Okay, so fast forward, I learned, I learned, I watched, I watched, and now I've developed deals with with multiple companies as a distributor. So the percentage becomes bigger. So guys,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: for signature product, become a distributor, get a seller's permit, get your business right so that you can be in a position. If you notice all of my products have my logo on it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes, sir.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: That's not something a company is willing to do unless they know that you have your business street. They're not going to take a loss on somebody else coming up to say, that's my logo. We're going to sue you. Right? So,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right. Yeah. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so it's just food for thought, man. If you want bigger payouts for endorsements, you gotta do bigger things. Okay. Enough of that. So this is my take on endorsements, bro. Like it's What do what are we doing it for? I if it's for personal, look, Mom, I got an endorsement. Yeah, I'm all for it. You should be proud. We we work we come from the gutter, some of us, you know, on where where we're. to have different opinions on other people. I dunno I don't know if this is the industry to really do that 'cause it's not designed the same as a as a regular endorsement.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. That's brilliant assessment of that. Like absolutely brilliant. Because it it really it takes it just away from I have sticks or I just have symbols, right? It it it really you put the business aspect back into what this really is. This isn't just skill product. This is a business. People need to make money, they need to survive, th it they have to move the product. So if you can't move the product, it's a little difficult for a bargaining chip.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent. I mean, that company giving you a free drum set, that's why most of the time people will see that that ten ninety nine at the end of the year for that kit, the taxes on that kit, is because it is a business. It
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: that costs for them to give you that. So if you can't turn the product around, what are we talking about? If Nike
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's
Brian Frasier-Moore.: if Nike sign Michael Jordan on and he didn't produce any product, he they would have got rid of him quick.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, he's no longer Mike.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No, is and you're not valuable to the company. You might be one of the best basketball players of all time, but can you move the product?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ryan. That's yeah. So let me ask you this. If you you've been with a few other companies besides the ones you're with right now, and and let's preface this right now. There's no knock to whatever you're about to say about anybody or w why you may may have made a decision for yourself and your brand. For someone that is looking for endorsements, or they might be in conversations with a company What are the things that you think they should look for in their deal to make a solid decision on, yes, I'm gonna go with this company?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. There's a few things. First of all, how full is the artist roster? I think this is number one. Because if you sign into a roster that got three thousand people on it, what kind of attention do you really expect from them? What kind of budget do they have left over to really support you? So artist rosters is really important. expansion. Where where are they represented? So you're young now. So you yeah, I wanna sign with this company and then you get a gig in Yugoslavia. And they say Hey, do you have support over here? We we still you need your drums and if you don't have coverage out there, then you know then you have a whole nother They'll get backline for you, of course, but once again we're talking about value. Hey, no, I got my company. I have my company now you become more valuable just in a player. Production managers like you because hey, I like this guy, he got his business together. You you can ask for more money because you bring more value. To you as a player. So anyway, so coverage on where they are, what they're offering, free gear for rehearsals anywhere around the world. That's a great thing. So if you're going into rehearsal, you only have to pay for cartridge, you know what I mean? These are things people you can actually go to them and and say, trust me.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: okay, Clinics, support for clinics. Will you support me with clinics, festivals? Will you promote me marketing materials? It's easier now. Just put up a post. You know what I mean? Just
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right. Sure.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: post about marketing. And so these are a lot of things that I I tell people like, you know, ask them about. Think about the future. You know, what what kind of roster? Will you support me? clinics, festivals, the the marketing aspect of it, will you promote me? Signature product, what's the possibility of that? What kind of percentages are we talking about here? Can I be a distributor to get a larger percentage? Can you know? So these are all things that you can you can take away.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Were you always so forthright with that type of conversation at first, or did you learn to start asking different questions as you went along?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I've always been like this. Everybody
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: from back home that call me Briz, if you call me Briz, you know me from home. I've always been forthcoming with that. I've never had any problem having transparent real talks.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: I love that. You you talked about money, and if you're if you're okay having this conversation, and no, I'm not gonna ask you how much you make, because that's crazy. But I would so I asked Josh this question, and and I would love to get your take on this. So a lot of times, and and you do a ton of consultations, ton of lessons, so you'll probably hear this as well. How much should I charge for this? How much should I charge for this? What what I'm doing this, what what should I get? And what Okay. I've found that. I was told a lot of mantras, right? And a lot of people it coming up, you'll figure out your worth, know your worth. You know, don't take this guy, right? Just get slogans
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Ha ha ha.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: thrown at you. And and they're they have merit to it, but it doesn't give you a solid foundation. So then we hear things from our our mentors and things like that of y'all are messing up the market. Okay. So then my counter to that
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Ha ha ha
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: is: well, how do I mess up a market that I don't know? Right? How do I? How do I I don't no one will define the number. No one will define, okay, if you're at a club, this is the number. If you're with a C list artist, this is the number. If you're going to the state, a baseline. Of course, you can negotiate more based off what, you know, all the things you were just talking about and and so many more variables, but how do we do this? Right? How do we get people on board with the numbers? So we're not hearing just the mantras or we're being told we're messing up the market, but we have a real solid foundation of saying that's not right. No, I shouldn't go for that.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. So this is a twofold answer. One you need to get with a valid mentor. Because when you start talking money, it's a touchy thing. Me on this podcast, as bad as I want to say to you, hey Jay, this is what it should be for this caliber gig. This is what it should be for this caliber gig. It's a touchy thing. It's the public, it's the masses. I
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: can't be seen or or heard telling you that number. Get with a mentor a trusted mentor that knows. Now when we get off this call, you can call me and I can be like, Ay Jay, so this is what this is what it is, right? So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right. Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: so on public platforms it's always a tricky thing. People are trying to protect their their brand and their integrity. That's one.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes, sir.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So give it a valid mentor. Not somebody can I just say this real
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Say whatever you want here.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, I'll be tricking this time. Okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: No, you be telling the truth.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay, so we're in this new mentor phase, right? Like, BFM world, I think this is 14 years. As as a business, right? So I've had a th a th a hunger to help people even before I had BFM world. Like I help people so much that I connect them to my current contacts. A lot of times it's worked out, a lot of times it hasn't. I've got burnt by people that I instilled into and I'll leave that there. I don't worry. Don't worry, I ain't gonna say your name. but my
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: point my point is is that get with a trusted mentor. My I have OGs. I have mentors that I talk to. I talked to Michael White. I talked to Kenny Aronoff. I talked to Glenn Solva. I talked to to Thomas Lange. I talked to
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: rest in peace. I talk God. God. I feel so terrible. I'll think about it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: No president, no president.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay. but I have OGs. I can't believe his name is slipping. I have OGs that I've talked to that help me. And I appreciate every last one of them. And as much as people may look at me and people of of the same caliber, we have OGs too. So so find you a trusted person. I advertise all day long about BFM World and BFM consultations. So I don't want to hear anything about anybody saying I don't know anything.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I am here. I've been here. I've been advertising that I'm here. I genuinely love helping people. I love putting people out there. Okay, so that's that. Now knowing your worth. You brought up something that's really good and on the flip side, like how do you know your worth if if you have never been in a certain caliber, if you've never had conversations with certain people, how do you know your work? And I've always told people like break it down, like, okay, st studio. people say, How much do I have should I charge for a session? All right, cool. How much you charge for session? Are you doing a session at home? I'm gonna help you to itemize it to think about this.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Are you doing a session at your home studio? Yeah, B, I got a home studio. Okay, okay. Gear, engineer. Studio space. These are all the things that if they went to a studio, they would have to pay for. So I'm gonna give you the categories, the itemized, okay. priority. Yo, yo, hey Brian, can you cut this track? I need it I need to buy tonight.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: priority turnaround time, right? Okay. And revision. Yo, yo, can you do another one, man? Like is this? These are all things. You got all of these things that you can put a value to. So I like to put that out there to people. Touring. B what the okay touring, touring, okay. as a player, there's one salary. Okay. Do you have your own gear? Do you have touring cases? Do you have endorsements? Yeah, B, I do. That's a whole nother step on top
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: of your salary. Okay, are you self-contained? B I am. I got touring cases, I got the whole nine. That is a whole nother step up. And s a lot of tours, I negotiate my salary, and then I negotiate my gear.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: and they work really well together. This guy right here, E Trib, Eric Tribitt,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: been doing that for years. He taught me the whole game on that. So if you have your gear in place, perfect. Symbols, sticks, heads, drums, replac touring cases, all of that, that is of value. People stop giving it away for free.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: makes so much sense and I kinda coast on your point, it's helped my quote unquote day rate a little bit look a little bit differently, right? Sometimes they may not give you the salary number that you're looking for, but you can negotiate to your point, okay, if I'm gonna be self-contained and I have all my drums, it kind of helps your day rate out a little bit if it's not the most ideal. So maybe you don't say no. Yeah like, okay, well if you're willing to rent for me, then I can get it to above really what What I was asking for. You know what I mean? But
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: that's a brilliant philosophy. So really the answer is, and you're not the only one that said this, by the way, is mentorship, getting counsel, you know, having that guidance where you can throw real situations at them, real numbers, and it can say, Hey, Jay, that's that's not it. Or, Hey man, you haven't done anything, so you probably should go. You know Both of those things, and that's real stories for me, you know. You know John, John Witt, my brother for life, man. He he's had a key to my place forever. He was like, Man, you ain't done nothing. Sounds like you need to go. Thank you. Thank you for giving a damn. You know, and then I've had people be like, Hey bro, that's not it. Like you've done a healthy amount of things now where you don't really need to do that anymore. So then my my counter to them Not necessarily personally, but then people who are saying this type of stuff, how do you tell someone who could technically make more going on the road to not take a position that would technically help them, but it might not be the best number or even quote unquote industry standard for that position, right? So if they're offered and let's just throw out a random number, there's they're offered four hundred dollars a day, but they were only really making you know, a thousand dollars a week s being at the crib. Okay, well that's exponentially more money than what they would have gotten being home, but the it's really under market value. So then they're being told,
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: No you're worth how do how do we manage that or is that not something we can manage because we can't control that.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I think there's there are some things that are left out of the equation, like you're at home, no one sees you. You're not marketing your value or marketing your worth. You could play songs all you you want in the studio all day. Nothing beats convincing a person looking at you on stage real time, no retakes. How many times did you record the song in your home studio? That's your 14th take. Nothing speaks
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: to the professionalism of them seeing you on the road. So all the things you get by being on the road are valuable as well, too. So it might be a Lower rate, but artists and producers and and AR managers and people like that are going to notice you from the association of the artist, whoever that is, and the position of what you're doing in front of that crowd. It's just more weight to us. So you you have to look at and if if you want to get an endorsement. Of course you could try to get one online, but it's crowded. You got fourteen year old kids that can't even tour professionally getting endorsements, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So but look, hey, hey, Tamma, I've been playing your gear, man. That's valuable information that you can have in fighting endorsements, fighting value, fighting expansion, musical directors. It's it's just so yeah, so you can have a thousand dollars at home, but you're at home so
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right. I think that's good. Thank you for answering that by the way, because there's there's so many schools of thought on it and that was one that I've always wrestled with and I know a lot of my peers wrestle with because we do get told stuff like that of like, Y'all are y'all are doing this, you're doing that. Okay, but no one's willing to define it for us though. You know, no one's willing to
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: do that and then we get into these opportunities and someone is management is saying, Here's what we're offering you Or was this up for negotiation? Like you don't, you're you you're timid. That might be their first opportunity of handling that.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. But well then it's also please guys, if you if you're ever in this position, reach out to me. Please. Because there's verbiage. There's verbiage that you can use. There's verbiage I use. Brian. All we can afford is seven hundred dollars. That's not a real number. I'm just throwing a real number.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, he's just throwing out numbers.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: se right. Seven hundred dollars. Okay. Okay. No, I totally understand. Let me ask you this. Let me respecting the offer.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: First, in your mind, it might be Beirut. You're like, my, that's not enough money. That's cool, whatever. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. Let me ask you this. If And this is where you gotta be thinking fast on your feet. It's negotiation. This is business. It has nothing to do with your chops or your playing, nothing. This is the business man that comes into it. Okay. Is there room as far as gear is concerned?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Is there room? Because if there is, then I can do this and I can do this. This is negotiating.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: That is negotiable. well, you know, you know what, Brian? Yeah, we were gonna rent from such and such and such. What's what's the price they gave you? they were giving us this for the plus cases. I'll tell you what, I'll do 200 less than that on top of it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: let us think about there's so much verbiage that you can use in negotiating. So once again. I'm here. I'm here for it. But
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: you should never get up. You should never be defeated. You should never be afraid to negotiate. You shouldn't be scared. I know. It's a scary thing. I get it. But no, it's it's as long as you're respecting. Well if if I if I say no, they gonna get somebody else. Absolutely. It's a business. That's to be a
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, right, right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: to be expected. But before you leave, before you go to the next person, how about this? You know?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: So you're always taking the I call it the chess move, right? You're always playing chess at all times. You you're never playing connect four with people. You re you're
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. Absolutely. No.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: really dialed in. But that's stoic, right? You're you're always you you you keep that stoicism about yourself. Do you feel like that served you a lot, not just in the business realm, but also as a player, a a person where people feel comfortable when they see your name on that mass email that comes through of, hey, welcome to this team. People like, thank God Brian's playing. You know that
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yes. Yes. And this is not something that I I I was always. Just being candid. I learn.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I learned this. So I learned I used to be the high head. Everybody from the crib, no. I was the high head. You know, you ain't got our money? Yo, we not going on. Hold the whole show up. That's real story. but
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: but It's changed. I've seen people. Ethan Farmer was one of the people that I used to work with, that I used to see all the time. And I'd be like, no matter what the situation, he maintains this likeness about him. Like The money could be low. People still like him. He can be asking for this. People still like. I just f and then it changed
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: me. It changed me. So if people see my name coming through an email, if if you're working with me and and the producer says, Brian, no, I I don't I don't like that feel, man. I I don't like that. Cool, what was you thinking?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Listen, I'm not offended. By if you don't like what I'm doing. What I want you to realize is I got 50,000 other things in my bag to serve you.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes, sir.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: So you so I'm valuable to you because I'm not gonna get offended. I'm not gonna get catching attitude. I'm just gonna say, What you thinking? And then I'm gonna serve it to you, and then you're gonna be like, I love this guy.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. That's powerful though, man. Because that that's musicians are s they their gift is so personal to them. And then when someone tells them, Change that sound or, Hey, I don't like that, or this is going this way. Be h how did you develop that? Because you know, that that could when I was really coming up, I I had the psychological warfare, right? I I remember speci I'll I'll tell the real story. Darien, Darien, phen phenomenal, right? One of the best ever. He was like, Man, get up. I was like, shit, this is it. I'm going home. Like I literally went home, I was like, this is it for me. His brain was just like, nah, I just want you to see it a little bit differently and we can move on. That's really where his brain was. But my brain was like, I'm not good enough. How did you learn to receive the feedback so it didn't impact your day? Right? Because sometimes you can get a note and you're like, sh this is it and it can it can tank your day. Or you can be like, your
Brian Frasier-Moore.: That's one.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: approach now. you want this? Cool. What what were you thinking? Like this? Bet, how did you get there?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: When we have this skill that we've been honing all of our life, that we're so proud of, that we put countless amount of hours into it. I love this. Hey, check this out. I'm good. Yeah. When we that's amazing. When you bring that to the music business, you gotta change that, bro. You in the music business now. You you in the trenches. You in the ice cold hardcore cutthroat demanding business. So so you gotta transform that. You make it proud and all of that. But you gotta put that hard cover around that thing to protect it. You gotta protect that because you're going in with the wolves. You're going in with people who are opinionated. You're going this should never penetrate your system to who you are and what your value and what your worth and whether you can play or not. That just simply means you're not ready for the business side. So you gotta you gotta stand strong enough. Listen, if you don't like the first six things that I'm doing, yo, I got 50 more. It's okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, no worries.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: It's whatever, bro. It's okay. I'm here. Like some people from our background call that arrogance. I call that the confidence you need. You need that stepping into this world. So so don't listen, just concentrate on. on what you got in here being able to facilitate for for them working with Madonna she has a different view of what a great drummer is working with Christine Aguilar she has a different view working with Justin he has a different view this person they all have different views of what a good drummer is that means
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: our bag gotta be big you know what I'm saying
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. You gotta be able to pull from wherever at any moment to execute.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Anyway. Now now if you ain't got nothing to pull from, I understand.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ha ha.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I understand why you off you offended. Yeah, of course,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Well yeah, why are you nervous over there? Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: of course.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: You've come from a background that at a time where if you took a a a tour, you know, fifteen, twenty years ago that was stadium, you know, or arena level, you could come back and you brought up earlier, you could buy a crib. You know, you you
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: you could we're not in that space anymore. What is what do you think the shift is? Or why do you think that shift has occurred? Do you think musicians are less valued? Have we less valued ourselves? Do we not demand more? Is technology kind of pivoted so that we are valuing, you know, supply and demand, right? If it's easier
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mm-hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: to get this product without having a human or an excellent human, do you think any of that's played a role or why? How? Any thoughts?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I do. once again, I think there's multiple reasons for this, right? Okay. throughout the evolution of time managers and artists have become more tight with their money
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: because their streams of money have gotten tighter, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: streaming record sales are now not really considered source of income. So just by the nature of of how the music business is a lot of times managers and artists, they become more tight. I believe that. I believe social media. Social media is great for people being seen and showing how you your ability to complain, but it does nothing for negotiation or knowing the value of what you should be getting paid. So a lot of the incredible guys that get opportunities, this is where the OG say, y'all bring the rate down.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Because because y'all excited. And and you should be excited. Don't get me wrong, right? You
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: should be excited, but go get you a valid mentor, okay? Cause so when that excitement can be fueled with some education and and and instilling in you what you should give be getting paid so that when This artist, Mickey Mouse, I used to work with Mickey Mouse, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And and Mickey Mouse was paying me $7,500 a week, right? And and and I built that salary up from working with Mickey Mouse for six years. Every year I come back and say, hey, can I get $1,500 more? Can I get $50? I built that up to $75.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And now this young stunner comes out. He gets the gig because the artist is hype off of his social media, right? And they say, hmm, this this not Brian anymore. Let's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: tr let's try. Let's try. Okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the gigspan 25. I'll take it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right. Okay. Wow.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay, so no distance social media people, just get you a valid mentor so they can tell you why you're getting all of this eyes on you as you should because you are a talented, not saying anything wrong, but you still it still doesn't facilitate you the business and end of that just being seen and doing this. So I think that's one thing. also I think in this industry people just don't know. Right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: They just don't know. There is a class of artists that Are familiar when they used to pay Mike and all of them fifteen
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: thousand. There's a certain class of artists that understand that Garth Brooks will pay his musicians this money,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: or Shania Twain, or all it is, there's a certain class. Then there's a new certain class of artists that are coming up that have no idea about that, or looks at that like what fifteen thousand dollars? Are
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: you crazy? Easy? you know what I'm saying? So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right, right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: it's a difference in evolution and time. It's just that time only exists in a certain amount of artists, shall we say. So I I no
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. Do you think No, please go for it.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No no, that's that's all
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Do you think there is a Is it probable that we can go back to a space of you know when you could put a down payment down on the home? Or do you think now we we've now shifted and now we have to be a lot more versatile and have other skill sets to help contribute to the pot to be able to do that?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yes to both of those. I think
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I think that there are certain gigs studying the industry, studying who's moving. Don't just study who's in the States. Study everywhere. Study everywhere. What what artist is with new artists, old old artists. Study so that you know there are still quality gigs out here that can allow you to go out for a year, come home with a down payment. Like
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: There you go.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Seven years ago I did Justin Timberley's 2020 tour.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Crazy.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: It was it was an amazing tour. I lived like I was broke.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: There you go.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I I I wasn't going out, I wasn't spending no money. I was subwaying it up. I saved every single penny, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Came home, me and my wife got a house. We we put a good amount of money down on the house, built the studio so now it's an investment to make the money back. Like we really before that I I put myself in the credit repair as
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: well while I was on the road. So I was building up my credit while building up my stash. Like it can be it can be done.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Ryan.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Right. but also, yes, to the second thing you said, there are some other things we have to put into the pot because of the times that we're in. Those gigs are not so plenteous and and honestly, d a lot of those gigs people are on because it pays like that. So you waiting for this guy to get off of this gig and he like I
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Not leaving doc.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I eat good on here, bro. Like, you know, so you could be waiting seven, nine, twelve years for for that. So yes, yes to both of those things.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's fair. Man, you you're mentioning a lot of grown I I call that grown philosophy, right? You had the and it seems like you've been very what's again the this word again is intentional about where you were going, right? You didn't just say, I'm just gonna practice for twelve hours a day and that's just like a one dimension. You're also looking at the business and you're looking at The individual who wants to build an entity and a business inside of the business. Changing your mindset to go into credit repair, that's important, right? And and we're not saying he had like a $300 or $300 score, by the way. You gotta fix some stuff when you want to buy real stuff. That's just being an adult.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Of course, of course. Absolutely.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: You know, but being okay with making those sacrifices, I've noticed, and and I'm gonna summarize kind of what I'm hearing: is that you love the game. You you're willing to play the game for real. You know, and and not just, I'm just gonna get good at this this instrument. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Let me get good at people. Let me get good at being a good person. Let me get good at handling my emotions. Let me get good at being a husband. Let me get good at, you know, handling my finances. Let me make sure that when I do have to leave my wife for a year plus, we're coming back with something. And I'm saying, Hey, babe, we can now buy a house that we've been talking about and dreaming about. That's incredible. And I think that's massive
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Thank you, Rob.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: for people who want to have that longevity in the game to even think that way. Do you would you say that has helped you so much of getting to this point?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely, because I'm not I'm not sidetracked by all of the the noise. It's a bunch of noise out here. You know what I mean? Like I don't care who's the best. Who what I care? I don't care who likes the way I play it. I really don't care. Like my wife loves it. My friends love it. And the people who hire me love it.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. Yeah. There you go.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And that's it. And and I watch my OGs Kill and expand. Expand public speaking. Expand. Schools. Expand. Who really has the money? Do you do you know our industry is probably the most brokest industry ever? I'm just saying. Like
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes. One hundred percent yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Right? because we're the most creative and we're the most starting from the bottom. It's it's not a bad thing, it's just a historical thing. Like we
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: don't have the funds and and and the financial status to be able to build anything like that. So I watch people, OGs, that come up like me, and I'm like, Yo, how what? How much are you making off the drums? Doing what? Wait a minute,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, right, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: y'all. So I'm just saying the music industry playing drums is a step for me. It's not a final destination. Playing drums is a step to get to this connection, to that film, to this commercial, to that investment, to pro kids. I just start a relationship with them and to get listen, it's just it's just a step. If I can use this step to expand, then great. It's not a final destination. Just because I play drums, it that's that's not I don't want to kill anybody's dream, but in my mind that's that's not a perk anymore. That's that's a prerequisite. You're supposed to know how to play good to survive in this industry. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah. That's this conversation is so rewarding and selfishly for me because I I love hearing the honesty about the things that were we could talk paradidals all day, right? We could talk how how fast can we go
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: around the kid all day, right? We we could do that, but if you really want to work in the industry, these gems and and your mindset, the ideology that you have is what has kept you here.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Do you have a solid support system? And and I'm not just talking about just your OGs and this they also might have dual purpose for what I'm asking, but what's your friend group like? You know, is your friend group very similar with your your mindset?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Very similar and very small. I have a super small group. I have tons of associates. But friend group, super small. I still have space on both of these hands.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: How important has that been? 'Cause I'm I'm sure that wasn't out the gate, right? You want to be f friendly with everybody and locked in with everybody.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: No Yes, absolutely.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: What shifted if you could say, and you don't gotta go into specifics if if it's gonna be anything crazy, of course, but I'm so curious about that because I I I read a lot, you know, I'm I mean I hear a lot of millionaires and billionaires are talking about your wife and your friends are the most important people that you will ever have relationships with and they will determine if you're successful or not.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent. I believe that.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay. Did you how did you cultivate that or did you yeah, well how did you cultivate it?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Crashing and burning. Crashing and burning. I have I I've always had a big heart. I've always talked too honest. I've always
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: wanted everybody to win. I've always and you know, I crashed a few times. It hurt me. Like I had won recently, maybe about five. What is this, 2026? Maybe about five years, five years ago, that really changed me. And it was like, yeah, it w it was a hurt. Like, you know, we're all human. and it was a it was a deep hurt and it changed me. And I said, okay, I'm restarting over. These are the people that I know. that I can trust with that kind of vulnerability. You know, it's not to say I don't trust a lot of socials. I trust them in that mentality. But close friends, it's very small and it's very beneficial. And
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: we support each other and and and they're happy for me. And I'm happy for them. There is no big I, little you. Like if I get a yacht, my brother getting a yacht too.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, you gotta get out too. Absolutely.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And yeah, yeah, and we both like which yacht we taking this week. I don't have a yacht but that's just what what I'm saying.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: No, I understand. But that I think that's important though, because if you're if you're dreaming the same dream and and you're sharing the same ideology, how do you lose unless you have a losing ideology, I guess?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, no, no, so
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Did you do anything else beside to cultivate that? Did you start challenging your friend group a little bit? You know, w were you pushing them to to think differently? You know, like I Okay, what could
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm I'm that guy in my friends group. I'm that guy. When I see when I see videos they put up and it's not serving any purpose for where I w know they want to be, I'm on
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the phone. Hey yo, hey yo bro, I saw your video. Yeah, the whole world saw it too. Yeah. Yeah. the decision makers saw it too. Just so you know. Alright, I'll call you tomorrow. I'm that guy. Yeah, yeah,
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Outta there. Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: like yeah, and and all of my friends appreciate and I expect the same from them to me. you're not my friend. Cop.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm. Are you not my friend?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Man, that's that's very valuable. You know, willing to willing to push them. I'm so this is one thing I I'm actually super passionate about, is because I I notice a lot of people who want, want, want. And then you've seen it, of course, and and you start asking, okay, what's your what's your family dynamic like in the in these consultations? You know, what what okay, w where do you spend your time? Who do you spend your time with? And I'm like, I see your problem. Like I immediately see your problem. You are not around anybody who is even trying to push the envelope in their own realm. They don't gotta be musicians. But if they're
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: that mathematician, are they trying to be the best at it? If not,
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah, yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: y'all are always gonna have that friction because when you're saying, Yo, I gotta go practice or I gotta rehearse or I got 20 songs to learn, and they're like, Man, come out to the bar, y'all are not thinking the same.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: We're not the same. Nah, we're not and and not better. It's not better. It's just different. It's just for
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: It's just different. Wow. Got it. Okay, let me ask you one one more not so personal question. And I know people will get mad at me if I don't ask a drumming question, so let me get to that one.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: When you're you've prepared for so many types of tours, right? From playing with Pink, from Justin Timberlake, Madonna and and Janet, so many more, right? What is your preparation like before you walk in the room?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Hmm.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right, like if you get these songs, walk me through as much as you're willing to share, how do you prepare? How are you learning? What what's your prep look like?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay. I have big it's it's a big prep.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Let's go, yes.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: because skipping to the end, when I walk in the door, I'm invincible.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I'm invincible. There's no one that knows this material better than me. And I get that from watching in our field, that's taboo. What? What do you mean? What? You you must don't watch Michael Jordan. You must never you ne must never listen to Kobe Bryant.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: You must never got that inspiration from them. They are the best in their mind when they walk through that door. So that's my goal. In order to be the best, when when someone calls me and says, Hey, I want you to play for this artist, I say, Cool. Before they even give me the songs or the set list. I'm researching.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I'm researching. I'm listening to their music. Mm, okay. I'm I'm online. Let me see their last concerts. Mmm, I see what the drum was on. Let me see a setup. What he's doing. Drum sounds, what he's doing. Did he trigger anything? I'm I'm in it like an NF NBA player, right?
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: okay, and then they send me the set. Alright, cool, here we go. So I have I don't have one here, but I got these composition books for everything that I've done. Composition books when I get the material first thing off the gate while I'm listening to I'm writing up for Every song.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Every song intro eight bars accent bar seven dash two that's bar seven beat two okay okay next very specific for every song because I believe that when you're playing all of those questions we're trying to get all of those questions out of my head so that I can be in full execution mode no nerves what's coming up next what break is this right the none of that I I want to be playing it and so someone else mess up and they say damn B, you know what? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, because
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Right.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: because I have the form. So form is number one. And then once I have that, then I'm getting on the kit with that. So when I'm practicing, I'm practicing execution and authenticity. I'm I'm hearing arrangements. This is all from old stuff. It's not the arrangements that they've given me. So I'm practicing them to my for my flu my fluency, my authenticity. I'm pick writing out songs, grab those trigger sounds on that one. Like so so I'm doing all of that. and then they send me arrangements. I do the same thing. in the studio. So I'm playing through form, execution, I know everything. I feel comfortable. I feel
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, so this is two separate sets of notes, if I'm hearing correctly. This is the album version, and then this is arrangement version that you have. Copy. Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Absolutely. So so why I do that is because it's like when you listen to a song when you sleep, you're subconscious. takes over, it becomes a part of your thought pattern. so me writing this out while I'm playing, I can see the notes in my head. Yeah, I remember this intro to this as much as it can become a part of me. Okay. So I know everything. I got everything written out. I'm going into rehearsal. I'm going into rehearsal with that book, with my sounds, ready to run the whole arrangement. There's no questions I have. I'm only here to rehearse new ideas. I'm not here to
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Mm.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: r to rehearse things that you sent me. I'm I'm playing them in rehearsal with the same intensity I'm gonna play it on stage.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's brilliant. So you're starting with the listening. Listening straight down. I'm listening, I'm trying to hear everything, going
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: into your notes, and then you sit behind the drums. Let me ask you this because I know that's ideal situation for you, but more practical because I know how busy you are. You may not be able to sit behind the drums, right? You might not always have the opportunity to sit behind the drums before you walk in because maybe you're on another project already and then you're like, Brian, come do BET Awards, right? Are you taking any time to put hands to it? Are you that confident in what's your listening ability and your note taking ability that when you walk in you could look at this and say, Boom, I could knock this out?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: One hundred percent. One hundred percent. No doubt. No doubt.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it. That's taking time.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Because that what I wrote down is is my map. It's just like it's just like reading it. okay. Such a such. And it's that's my notes. If if I have sheet music, then I'm really off to the races. Like I'm
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah, okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: like, okay, I can see what this is. Okay, okay. Be straight. I got my notes. Okay, then I remember this. Okay, cool. Wow and then in my setup, so what I did do, I graduated to fourscore. Right? I
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay, yes. Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: graduated to four score to four Eros. I write all of them in my iPad.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yep.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: And on that iPad you can push a button, you can put an MP3 button at the top on that paper of the song. So I have
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the song and I have it a mixer. And I have my iPad running to that mixer, only I hear it. And and I have a BPM button, BPM button, preview button, and everything. So while everybody talking and chilling, I just press it and I just be sitting there like, mm, I'm just listening in my head and people talking and they getting ready and doing all this and I'm listening to I'm already in the energy of
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: the song we about to play.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: And you can still hear them because they're running through your mixer as well.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Exactly.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's smart. What what made you make the decision to go from mixer versus wireless or hardwired?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Mixer is just so I have them run my mix left and right to the mixer. I have them run the click separate. And then I have them run my iPad in and sometimes my computer and if I need to pull trigger sounds because when I'm in rehearsal, they might not always have trigger sounds, but I have a method on my computer right there that I can chop up real quick and throw them on the machine. So that's my full setup. I can do anything in the world if I have if I have that done like that.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's fire. And I know there's another thing that people will wanna know. You, Nate Morton Stanley, y'all don't use natural in-air monitors or are the the industry in air monitors. Y'all y'all go with the headphone route. Is there any particular reason why you decided to go that route versus in air?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yep. So this is gonna be you're gonna be like, my god. Has nothing to do with preference music wise, vibe or nothing. I have excessive in ear wax and and what's it
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That was Nate's reason too, yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: and no matter how much I clean no matter how much I try to get in there and clean it out, if old wax gets in my ear, then I'm at the doctor's.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Got it. That simple. Perfect.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: That's simple. Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Brian, what what what do you got coming up next that people can tune in for and and and pay attention to as you you continue to navigate your career?
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Okay, so I have some festivals, some drum festivals coming up. I have some recorded projects coming up. I have more dates with Eros coming up. I have I have something that's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Okay.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: that's coming up next year that I can't say, but it's I've never done it before.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Wow. You look excited about it too, and that's phenomenal.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I'm super, super excited. So this is me and I'm transitioning off into motivational speaking. so that is my my new project transitioning. I've been deep in it for like the last three years and
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Let's go.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: and it's it's a really lucrative business and I've really honed in for transitioning my career. And the same energies there that Fortune 500 companies can use or you know businesses or schools can use. So I found that connection and I'm really excited about that. And and yeah, and always BFM World, consultations, lessons, video analysis is one of the newer programs that we have. I if people are interested in a full plan that can get the attention of the people that is high that are hiring, check out a video analysis. We we this deals with you get a drummer. Tommy says, Hey Brian, I I want a tour. But I but I don't know if I'm putting out the right things for musical directors or people to value. Okay, come on. And we have a method that that I apply to them. They play, we look back, we we correct, we get it right, we send to the D. We get it's
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Whoa.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: a it's a p it's a plan and it it has been working for a while. So
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Whoa, that's a massive cheat code. That that really well, if 'cause you've if you believe in them enough, right, and and they get it right, that's an that's an easy you're the connector.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I've had countless people that you know in the industry that have used this program and it has helped tremendously to where they are right now.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Man, that's a phenomenal service and I I please everybody go get involved in that. Because that's massive and you don't have to do that.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I I don't have to do that and and I want to because I was a little kid that had a dream about doing this. I get it. I n I know that passion. I feel that passion. I live that passion. so many avenues of today you don't know which way to go. You don't know what step to make. You can spend three years going down the wrong path and realize, you know what, this is really not what I should be doing. So please reach out people about that about that service.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: I love that. I could sit here and talk to you for hours, but I won't do that. We'll have to do
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Ha ha
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: a part two for sure if if you're willing to come back on
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Yeah.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: the show. But Brian, thank you so much for for carving out the time, giving us
Brian Frasier-Moore.: Thank you.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: a wealth of information. And thank you for being you. You know, you don't have to care. You don't have to give words of wisdom. You don't have to offer these services because you're gonna be successful no matter what. But the fact that your heart and your posture and your relationship with God allows you to do more of that. Thank you.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: It's my pleasure. Thank you, brother, for having this platform. I've been watching some of your podcasts and you're doing an incredible thing. And I know
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: Thank you.
Brian Frasier-Moore.: I know the our culture appreciates it, man. I do.
Jarvis 'Jeb' Barnes: That's love. Well thank everybody for being here. Thanks, Brian.