E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Ep. 04 - Starman (with Carmelita Valdez McKoy)

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Hello and welcome to Get Me Another, a podcast where we explore those movies that followed
in the wake of blockbuster hits and attempted to replicate their success.

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My name is Chris Ianicon, and with me are my co host Rob Lamorgis.

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Yes, and I will recommend the pairing with uh today's movie.

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I would recommend Diner Pie and Bitter Tears.

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Aww.

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And Justin Beam.

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Bitter tears.

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Uh I'll all I'm gonna say is that you guys are a strange species.

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You're not like any other.

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It's true.

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And you'd be surprised how many there are.

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You're intelligent but savage.

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Well, well, one of those things is true.

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Does that make us the try-hard species?

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You're not like others.

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We're not like other species.

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We're different.

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Today is the fourth episode in our Get Me Another E.T.

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The Extraterrestrial series.

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And this week.

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We'll be looking at one of the most critically acclaimed movies that we'll discuss in this
series, beyond Close Encounters and E.T., of course.

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And we're very excited to have joining us once again our good friend Carmelita
Valdez-Macoy.

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Welcome back, Carmelita.

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Yes.

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Oh, friends, I'm so happy to be back talking movies with

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the three of you.

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Oh, we are so happy to have you back.

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It's it's you know, again, it feels like it's a while, but it wasn't actually that long
ago.

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And but we're thrilled to have you back.

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How are things going?

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How's your summer going?

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Well the f the feeling is mutual stoked.

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I busy work, watching movies, a lot of podcasting recently.

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So

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I'm keeping busy.

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Very good.

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Very good.

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I will ask you at the end what you have coming up, you know, on the on the agenda.

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What other what other things you'll be appearing on.

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So I that's that's very exciting.

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Yeah.

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So we'll we're gonna just jump right into today's film because it's a really, really
interesting one from director John Carpenter, released in December of 1984.

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This is Star.

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In 1977, Voyager 2 was launched into space to the outermost regions of the universe.

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It carried an invitation in all languages for alien life forms to visit our planet.

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Someone somewhere listened and accepted our invitation.

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Get ready.

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Someone is coming.

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Someone like no one she has ever known before.

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Can you clone a living organism from the hair of a dead man?

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We're hypothesizing a technology that's probably a hundred thousand years ahead of us.

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powers we cannot imagine, and the face and touch of the man she loved.

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I send greetings.

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What's the matter with you?

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I understand readings in 54 planetary languages.

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Do you seriously expect me to tell present that an alien has landed, assumed the identity
of a dead house painter, and is presently out tooling around the countryside in a hopta

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1977 Mustang?

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You're not from around here, are you?

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Think of what it would be to.

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Civilization like that.

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Think of what we could learn.

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You don't understand.

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There isn't much time, please.

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He doesn't want to hurt anybody.

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Can't you just leave him alone?

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What the hell ever happened to good parents?

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We invited him here.

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So far to come, so much to do.

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So little time to fall in love.

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Let's go.

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Starman.

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I think I mentioned in our recent Big Trouble Little China bonus episode that I I think
Starman, I'm pretty sure that Starman was the first John Carpenter movie I ever saw.

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I saw it in the movie theaters.

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I went with my dad.

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Honestly, I think I was a little bit too young to like fully appreciate it.

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It was just like, aliens, kid likes aliens.

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Let's go, let's go to the alien movie.

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You know, there it is.

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But like I I I'm

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I I don't think I quite get it.

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I got it and when I when I saw it at that age, I remembered a few things, but I didn't uh
remember all all of it.

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And and it was a really kind of almost like a first watch, but with like echoes of memory,
which was was a really interesting experience.

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And I wanted to ask you guys at the outside, had you guys seen Starman before, you know,
prepping for the show?

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So I'll tell you, I saw Starman for the first time, and I know this because.

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the the miracles of modern technology and logging things on letterbox.

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It came into my life at just the right time so that I can remember things like this.

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I saw Starman for the first time in 2022.

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So just a few years ago.

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Very cool.

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Very cool.

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So this is not the first watch, but it's it's relatively it's not like, yeah, I I saw it
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No 40 years ago.

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Very recent.

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Well and I'm a

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I'm a John Carpenter fan.

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You know this.

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We've talked about John Carpenter.

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But here's the thing though.

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I I mean, and I'm the girl who loves Orca, right?

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I Right.

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Yes.

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Yes, you are.

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So when I I I was pretty young when this came out.

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This isn't the kind of thing my dad would have been into.

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So I wouldn't have got exposure to it that way in the 80s.

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And then, you know, later on when I was a little more independent in terms of my movie
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The minute I see romance ah and a plot summary, and it the plot summary kind of sounds a
lot like ghost, you know?

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A little bit, yeah.

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Well, cause he's so you know, he's taken the form of her her late husband.

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So I see that.

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Right.

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And so I I'm not big on like sappy romance.

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Tragic romance, yes, doomed romance, of course.

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Of course.

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Complicated romance, yes.

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But like just your garden variety.

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Romance not my thing.

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So I had had no interest.

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And finally a friend, a podcasting friend, a movie-loving friend who knows my taste was
like, No, give it a chance.

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And I'm so glad they did because this is a great film.

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Yeah, it is.

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I really, I really enjoyed coming back to it and and it was like, this is this is great.

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And it feels like it's a among the forgotten, like of all the John Carpenter movies, it
feels like it's one.

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That has been a little bit forgotten, not as as forgotten as some of his like 90s, you
it's not memoirs of invisible man or something like that.

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Definitely, you know, it but it feels like amongst his 80s output, coming between
Christine and Big Trouble and Little China, it feels a little less remembered, but it's I

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really liked it and it really deserves it.

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How about you guys?

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What do you, what do you guys did you have you seen this before?

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Is this your first time or or what?

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Uh, not my first time, though, effectively.

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So I don't know that I saw it in the theater, but I I definitely would have seen it when
it came out for rent.

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Um at the video store.

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So I but I I would wager I had not seen this movie since the 1980s.

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So effectively I remembered not much, uh, certainly did not remember how hot Jeff Bridges
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In this movie.

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Honestly, the two of them are a very attractive couple.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You know, my wife and I were like, hey, we saw you from across the bar, we like your vibe,
you know, that kind of thing.

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Great hair.

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Both of them.

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Both of them great hair.

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Uh how about you, Dustin?

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I think I was similar to you to Rob and Chris, where I saw it when I was younger and then
haven't seen it since.

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Uh I've never it's one of the few carpenter releases I I wasn't ever part of, but it was
one that I was always looking forward to, hopefully being part of, so I could revisit it

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with purpose.

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And so today for me was very similar, like you said, Rob.

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It was like a first time viewing again.

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And I was all emotional at the end of it and it did all the things that it aimed to do
within me.

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I there is a scene that I have always remembered and I have referred to from time to time
over the years.

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And I'll we'll discuss that when we get to it.

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That has really stuck with me over time.

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I'm very curious.

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Even from being a kid and seeing it just once, it resonated that strongly.

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And it's interesting that it came out on my birthday in nineteen eighty-four.

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But I would have Really?

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Yeah, I th I was definitely not I did not see it in the theater for sure.

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So it was a video watch for me when I was young, but it was really great to revisit it for
this.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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A little bit of background about the movie.

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Starman was written by Bruce A.

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Evans and Reynold Gideon, who following this movie would go on to write 1986's Stand By
Me, based on a Stephen King short story and directed by the late great Rob Reiner.

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Dean Reisner, who was a former child star during the silent film era and wrote movies like
Play Misty for Me and Dirty Harry, was actually brought in to do rewrites on the script,

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and he eventually did five drafts of Starman with six different directors attached.

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He ultimately lost the WGA arbitration, so his name isn't on the movie.

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And despite that fact, Carpenter said that it was his script.

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was the one that they shot.

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That in the original draft by Evans and Gideon, you know, uh there were significant
differences, including Starman flying around uh a la Superman.

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dear.

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Which would have I mean, I don't know how that makes the cause this is a a road movie.

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I'm not sure how that makes the the you know, couldn't he just fly to the landing site?

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Why does it need to be a thing?

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But but I'd love to get a hold of that original draft and see it.

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In fact,

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Carpenter included an on-screen dedication to Reasner to thank him that the WGA said was
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destroyed.

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Although I don't think that actually happened.

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Wow.

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And I checked the the the blue the dedication is not on the Blu-ray version.

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I went through the the credits like carefully, and it is not there.

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And now they have the additional literary material by credit for the

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I wonder if they could go back and re-legislate this.

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Yeah, probably not.

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Uh, by the way, a little fun fact.

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Do you know who Dean Riesner was married to at one time?

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No.

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No.

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The original vampira.

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Malia Nurmi.

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Nice.

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Lucky guy.

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Yeah, way to go.

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So this movie had been in development since the late 70s at Columbia Pictures, the studio
that released Close Encounters of the Third Kind and turned down E.T.

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the Extraterrestrial.

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The movie was produced, executive produced, by Michael Douglas, who brought it to
Columbia.

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It was the second film that Michael Douglas produced that he did not act in.

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The first one being 1975's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, a project he basically
inherited from his father, Kirk Douglas, who starred in the Broadway adaptation and tried

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to get a film made for many, many years.

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As I mentioned, several directors were attached to Starman before John Carpenter.

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Now I'm gonna go through them and you can imagine we'll all kind of take turns, imagining
how these this movie would have been different.

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before Carpenter you had Mark Rydell, the director of On Golden Pond.

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Adrian Lyne worked on it for a year before he left to do flash dance.

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That's wild.

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This movie with Adrian line directing would have been I want to peek into that alternate
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Oh yeah.

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Like yeah, I got that ET copy you wanted, boss.

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Real fucking sexy, just like you asked before.

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Yeah.

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So to quote the meme creative alien sex.

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my goodness.

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that oh it would have it would have been a thing.

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It would have been a whole thing.

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Uh Saturday fever director John Batham, who eventually he left this project to go do war
games.

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and would eventually direct a movie that we'll be talking about very soon, Short Circuit.

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Tony Scott was attached to it for a while.

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Peter Himes was attached to it for a while.

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I presume he left to go do 2010 because that came out within like a week or two of uh of
this movie, maybe even the same weekend.

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And then finally, John Carpenter.

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by the way, this is the fourth John Carpenter-directed film we've covered on the show,
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The Carpenter produced Halloween 2 and 3, which which Carmelita was with us for both of
those episodes.

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There's a couple of things here that set Starman apart in Carpenter's filmography.

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One thing, Carpenter did not do the score himself.

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And that's not the only movie of his that he didn't, but it's, you know, it it it's it
that alone makes it a little bit of an outlier.

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And there are times in where the score in kind of the small town settings.

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gives me Angelo Badlamenti vibes, which is, you know, not it's just uh what do you say?

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Simultaneous invention because uh yeah, but it's it's it's almost a little twin peaksy.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, the the score was actually done by Jack Nietzsche, who previously had composed music
for The Exorcist and one flew over the cuckoo's nest.

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I think it was Michael Douglas who recommended him to Carpenter.

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Let's appreciate this for a moment because

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I did a double take.

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Anytime I see the name and it's not Friedrich Nietzsche, the existentialist philosopher.

236
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But when you look at those those credits, these films that he worked on, all kind of dark
and existential, it's a little too perfect.

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yeah.

238
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I mean that that exorcist score is is incredible.

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I mean, that's just my God.

240
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And we'll I mean, you know, there there's the possible that's that's one that's been on
our list of get me another exorcist.

241
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It's been on our list from very early on.

242
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And may maybe that's something we'll have a chance to do in the new future.

243
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There's another Exorcist movie coming, and Lord knows those Exorcist sequels are always
great.

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Dear Lord.

245
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It's so weird.

246
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I'll I'll say this and the Exorcist, it's so weird that all of those Exorcist movies, I
love Exorcist 3 actually.

247
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It's really good, but no Exorcist sequel connects to any other Exorcist sequel.

248
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It they all connect to the original and then nothing else.

249
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Yeah.

250
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It's like a it's like they perpetu it's like it's like Halloween where they're perpetually
reinventing the company.

251
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It's the demons.

252
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It is.

253
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It's the demonic forces at work.

254
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They are.

255
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They are indeed.

256
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And this is uh my evergreen chance to plug the Exorcist TV show, which I absolutely loved.

257
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It only lasted two seasons.

258
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It's so much better than it has any business being.

259
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That first season is really an all-timer for me, but the the second season is quite good.

260
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I you can see where they uh

261
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You know, you get you get one exorcism a year.

262
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That's great.

263
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Yeah.

264
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Get me get me a hot priest and a slightly older hot priest.

265
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yeah.

266
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I thought it was get me a hot priest and get me a slightly younger hot priest.

267
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Could be could go either way.

268
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Could go either way.

269
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Yeah.

270
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we also have Dean Cundy is not the cinematographer on this film.

271
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Uh those duties are performed by Donald Morgan.

272
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Uh but it

273
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You know, if you told me it was Dean Gundy, I believe it has it has that vibe.

274
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one thing that I found particularly interesting about Starman, specifically in the context
of this podcast, is how many similarities there are between this film and E.T., and yet,

275
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at the same time, you have some very key differences that make it distinct.

276
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Like it's it they are cut from a similar cloth, but in very different patterns.

277
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And it it's kind of the platonic ideal of a get me another movie in that in that regard.

278
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Like it's it's like, it's it's clearly in the vein of, but yet very different.

279
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Both aliens start the movie mostly naked.

280
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Yeah.

281
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And then borrow clothes, which is I think one of the most important similarities between
them.

282
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Exactly.

283
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Yes.

284
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Yeah, well and then the role of of loss and grief.

285
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Yes.

286
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And heartbreak, right?

287
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In

288
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E.T.

289
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the breakup of a family, a marriage, kids feeling abandoned by their parent.

290
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In this one, you know, the death of a spouse.

291
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Yeah.

292
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Yeah.

293
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Absolutely.

294
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Absolutely.

295
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And and I mean, y if you wanted to be reductive about it, and I will for purposes of this
conversation, it's it's E.T.

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with adults.

297
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Like, you know, in in in it's more than that.

298
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But you know, that's I mean, I'd put that on the poster if I was I love this.

299
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And I know I didn't ask you.

300
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Cause you you asked me specifically if I would be interested in doing Starman.

301
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Yes.

302
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And I didn't ask why you thought of me for Starman.

303
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I figured it was probably the John Carpenterness of it all.

304
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That was part of it, yes.

305
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But I want to tell you that I was so stoked because I'm gonna say something blasphemous
here.

306
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I've never been an E.T.

307
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person.

308
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Interesting.

309
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Even as a kid.

310
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Because I was never really a kid, guys.

311
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I was like this like weird.

312
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This like weird, sad, oh dark person, right?

313
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So, no, I mean like in the best way.

314
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I feel good about it.

315
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Okay, I'm glad it was in the best way.

316
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Again, the kid who loved Orca.

317
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my god.

318
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But we were like, hey, Carmelia, would you like to be on our our Get Me Other Jaws series?

319
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I can you know, and then I didn't even have a chance to give you any titles.

320
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It was just like Orca.

321
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It was jumping and I'm like, done.

322
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I love the I I've like uh here for it.

323
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I was so stoked.

324
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To look listen to this series, because even though E.T.

325
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isn't really my thing, I love listening to you guys talk movies.

326
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It is, I mean, without a doubt, an exceptional film.

327
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It's just really not my thing.

328
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And I'm but I'm always interested to hear what you guys have to say about films and then
the films inspired.

329
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But I was so stoked when you invited me for Starman because I was like, oh, thank God, the
grown-up movie, the movie that centers around adults.

330
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Because my entire life I was always more interested in.

331
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In the films that dealt with adults and adult problems and older characters, even as a
little kid.

332
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So I was I was a little nervous prior to that, like, God, am I gonna talk about a kid's
movie?

333
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I'll talk about anything, especially with good friends like you guys.

334
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But I I did breathe a sigh of relief.

335
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Right.

336
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So the film stars Jeff Bridges as the star man, which they don't call him that in the
movie, thank God.

337
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Goodness.

338
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it he that is his credit though.

339
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At the end, in the f in the in the the credits at the end, he's credited as Starman.

340
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He also essentially plays a dual role because he plays uh Scott, the the late husband of
Karen Allen's character in just like the home movies that they shot.

341
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Karen Allen, obviously, also in the film as Jenny Hayden, uh, along with Charles Martin
Smith, as well as Grizzly and Day of the Animals star Richard Jacob.

342
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Yes.

343
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I knew I you know what I was throwing that Grizzly in for you.

344
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I you know, I know I any chance to talk about Grizzly, just even to mention Grizzly, I
know Justin's up for it.

345
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I'm ready.

346
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Yeah.

347
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Charles Martin Smith's actually one of my favorite character actors from this period.

348
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He's he's got a couple of great performances.

349
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There's a movie called Never Cry Wolf, where he is basically alone for the whole movie.

350
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It's about a dude who gets like stranded in like the Arctic.

351
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and of course he was the heroic accountant in The Untouchables.

352
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He's a great he's a great everyman.

353
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He really is.

354
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Yeah.

355
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He's really great.

356
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One one of my father's favorite characters, because my father was an accountant and uh he
just liked that the accountant was the hero of that movie.

357
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Or according to him.

358
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They wouldn't have brought down Capone without the accountant.

359
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That's Yeah, Rico.

360
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Yeah.

361
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He will he will if you if if the if you're ever with my father and the subject of the
Untouchables comes up.

362
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That is the first thing he will say.

363
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Starman is essentially a road movie.

364
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And I I I love road movies.

365
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There's something interesting about sending two characters out on a journey.

366
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Could be more, but in this case it's two.

367
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And and watching their their relationship evolve.

368
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As as we travel.

369
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And I thought of other road movies as we were watching this uh as I was watching this.

370
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you know, movies like Rain Man, one of my favorite movies of all time, Midnight Run, is
just one of the great road movies of all time.

371
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And I really I it's something I really enjoy.

372
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I also enjoy road TV series, which we'll circle back to at the end, because there was a
Starman TV series, which I vaguely remember, but can't actually put my

373
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It's there.

374
00:21:44,842 --> 00:21:47,103
It's I know I saw an episode or two as a kid.

375
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I love road movies too.

376
00:21:48,524 --> 00:21:56,067
I I thought of and then I was in my little light research saw that it was something they
thought of too, was it happened one night.

377
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Yes.

378
00:21:56,988 --> 00:21:57,588
Absolutely.

379
00:21:57,588 --> 00:22:02,520
I mean that's the the great original falling in love on the road.

380
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On the road.

381
00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:06,402
I mean, you know, that's that's the archetype of that.

382
00:22:06,402 --> 00:22:08,767
And and and John Carpenter references it.

383
00:22:08,767 --> 00:22:11,924
He was like, you know, that's that's kind of what we were making.

384
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I love the fact they shot this movie all over the United States.

385
00:22:15,161 --> 00:22:22,647
So they did some stuff in LA and in in California, but they shot Tennessee, Iowa, Arizona,
Nevada, Utah.

386
00:22:22,647 --> 00:22:31,133
So like the characters go on this journey starting in Wisconsin and go all the way to
Arizona, and the landscape changes as they go.

387
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,195
And it's it's really terrific.

388
00:22:33,195 --> 00:22:34,206
Yeah, you can't beat it.

389
00:22:34,206 --> 00:22:37,849
It's the practical element at play in this.

390
00:22:37,849 --> 00:22:42,112
It's never distracting from the two characters, which I think is really great.

391
00:22:42,132 --> 00:22:52,007
And even though Cundy, this is a great example, you talked about Cundy not being a part of
this film, and a lot of people say there's a carpenter look, but really it's the Cundi

392
00:22:52,007 --> 00:22:52,468
look.

393
00:22:52,468 --> 00:22:54,869
I've heard that many times over the years.

394
00:22:54,989 --> 00:23:03,674
But I think if you s watch this movie, you're seeing more of John's eye on the screen, and
you can see the similarities.

395
00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:11,458
So it isn't just a matter of him handing the reins over to Dean over the years, on you
know, the the more notable.

396
00:23:11,778 --> 00:23:14,859
Films that you mentioned get discussed a lot more than this one.

397
00:23:14,859 --> 00:23:24,133
There is a lot of John in this and the staging for the shots, the settings that they
chose, the locations throughout this are fantastic.

398
00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:27,284
Everything is memorable essentially from start to finish.

399
00:23:27,284 --> 00:23:29,385
And in road movies, that's hard.

400
00:23:29,385 --> 00:23:30,035
Absolutely.

401
00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:33,567
Because there's so much time when you're it's two characters in a car.

402
00:23:33,567 --> 00:23:41,260
To not have it just be car or to not have it just be desert and a gas station through the
windows of the car or something like that.

403
00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:41,848
He

404
00:23:41,848 --> 00:23:47,100
They've really make this feel so expansive for being such an ultimately very simple story.

405
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:47,430
Right.

406
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:55,262
And I think also there's a line, a certain parallel here in John's career at this time,
because this was after the failure of the thing.

407
00:23:55,262 --> 00:23:56,082
Right.

408
00:23:56,082 --> 00:24:01,354
In nineteen eighty-two, which ca he was cast away from the studios.

409
00:24:01,354 --> 00:24:01,704
Yeah.

410
00:24:01,704 --> 00:24:03,715
He there they didn't want anything to do with him.

411
00:24:03,715 --> 00:24:05,545
And that's the only reason why.

412
00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:08,896
The failure of that film is why he signed with Columbia.

413
00:24:08,908 --> 00:24:15,541
And the only reason why Christine, Starman, why these movies even got made right is
because he need he simply needed work.

414
00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:18,722
And he's never been ashamed to admit that.

415
00:24:18,802 --> 00:24:30,868
And I think it's fascinating that out of that worker sort of work rate mentality comes
Starman, the only movie of his with an Academy Award nomination.

416
00:24:30,868 --> 00:24:31,988
He's an artist.

417
00:24:31,988 --> 00:24:32,979
Pretty incredible.

418
00:24:32,979 --> 00:24:36,020
Even when he's doing a job for hire, he's an artist.

419
00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:36,970
Absolutely.

420
00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:47,955
You know, it's funny because we're in, you know, like we're so accustomed to the auteur
concept in filmmaking, but you know, you go back before like the the the sixties or so and

421
00:24:47,955 --> 00:24:58,139
it was these these guys were journeymen, they were craftsmen working for studios, doing a
job, and the you know, you got there are great movies that come out of that system.

422
00:24:58,139 --> 00:24:58,660
Yeah.

423
00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:02,221
You know, Casablanca was not a big special movie.

424
00:25:02,221 --> 00:25:04,396
You know, it was it was hey.

425
00:25:04,396 --> 00:25:08,627
This is Warner Brothers movie of the week that they're pushing out to Warner Brothers
theaters.

426
00:25:08,627 --> 00:25:08,907
Yeah.

427
00:25:08,907 --> 00:25:11,308
And, you know, magic happens sometimes.

428
00:25:11,308 --> 00:25:12,428
Sometimes it doesn't.

429
00:25:12,428 --> 00:25:12,867
Yeah.

430
00:25:12,867 --> 00:25:24,501
And and I think it's fitting that one of Carpenter's heroes, I believe, is John Ford, who
is exactly that kind of filmmaker who was a a system guy, but made incredible films, so

431
00:25:24,501 --> 00:25:27,352
you know, some of which they're, you know, Stone Cold classics.

432
00:25:27,352 --> 00:25:28,002
Absolutely.

433
00:25:28,002 --> 00:25:34,294
W one thing I like too is you'd mentioned about the the settings as you go through on the
road.

434
00:25:34,294 --> 00:25:45,377
And I I don't know if this is uh one of those happy coincidences or if it's kind of
planned at the at the script stage, but for Karen Allen's character, you know, when we see

435
00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:50,128
her at the beginning of this movie, she is the most kind of emotionally, spiritually dead.

436
00:25:50,128 --> 00:25:51,279
she's in a rough place.

437
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,240
Yeah, and the introduction to her with you know uh gets that.

438
00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:00,881
But what I love is that that is the most lush, life-filled setting.

439
00:26:00,881 --> 00:26:01,281
Yeah.

440
00:26:01,281 --> 00:26:01,822
Yeah.

441
00:26:01,822 --> 00:26:03,286
Up in Wisconsin.

442
00:26:03,286 --> 00:26:10,830
And that as you go along, as she becomes more alive, the landscape becomes more and more
dead.

443
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:11,591
Yeah.

444
00:26:11,591 --> 00:26:14,893
And it's just such a fascinating dichotomy.

445
00:26:14,893 --> 00:26:19,320
Um, that I anyway, it's just one of the things that I loved watching it this time.

446
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,378
Well, it's ultimately it's lining up with our star man or whatever Scott, whatever we want
to call him.

447
00:26:25,378 --> 00:26:32,372
It's you're as things are drying up and becoming more sparse, he's

448
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:34,132
What happens happens to him.

449
00:26:34,132 --> 00:26:34,412
Yeah.

450
00:26:34,412 --> 00:26:37,455
I'm not gonna spoil it yet, but that's a great observation, Rob.

451
00:26:37,455 --> 00:26:39,116
That just makes so much sense, doesn't it?

452
00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:40,657
When you look back at it, wow.

453
00:26:40,657 --> 00:26:42,410
That's a gold star this week, Rob.

454
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:43,401
Well done.

455
00:26:43,401 --> 00:26:46,884
I wish I had actual gold stars, but it's a metaphorical.

456
00:26:46,884 --> 00:26:48,025
I do.

457
00:26:50,308 --> 00:26:51,939
If you were a proper host, you would.

458
00:26:51,939 --> 00:26:57,324
And I'm sure on some future episode, one of us is gonna take this up with you about

459
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:59,952
The quality of your hosting.

460
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That time may come.

461
00:27:01,233 --> 00:27:06,107
That time may be with someone in this room that's not me or Carmelita.

462
00:27:06,107 --> 00:27:07,158
I don't know.

463
00:27:07,639 --> 00:27:17,707
So well, we begin with the audio countdown of a rocket launch, you know, which is is the
Voyager 2 probe, launched August 20th, 1977.

464
00:27:17,707 --> 00:27:23,092
And then uh we mentioned it in Big Trouble in Little China, amidst a field of stars.

465
00:27:23,092 --> 00:27:26,048
We get that Albertus font that often

466
00:27:26,048 --> 00:27:35,593
Almost always, not enti not always, always, but most of the time, starts off a John
Carpenter film and as we mentioned on the Big Trouble Show, how just I I just it gives me

467
00:27:35,593 --> 00:27:36,324
a good feeling.

468
00:27:36,324 --> 00:27:37,794
It's like oh it's comforting.

469
00:27:37,794 --> 00:27:38,305
Yeah.

470
00:27:38,305 --> 00:27:43,367
It's Who would think that a font could could be so comforting because they can be so
awful.

471
00:27:43,447 --> 00:27:44,488
yeah.

472
00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,329
Comic Sands, etcetera.

473
00:27:46,329 --> 00:27:46,513
no.

474
00:27:46,513 --> 00:27:49,481
When you start off with this Papyrus Oh man.

475
00:27:49,481 --> 00:27:50,831
Looking at you, Avatar.

476
00:27:50,831 --> 00:27:51,752
Papyrus.

477
00:27:51,752 --> 00:27:56,294
Papyrus is is mostly reserved for acoustic guitar albums.

478
00:27:57,015 --> 00:27:58,335
From local artists.

479
00:27:58,335 --> 00:28:00,196
That's papyrus' home.

480
00:28:00,296 --> 00:28:03,118
When you look at Comic Sans, that's just for any asshole.

481
00:28:03,118 --> 00:28:05,619
Comic Sands is a is a is a problem.

482
00:28:05,619 --> 00:28:08,021
It's just a problem.

483
00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:10,042
It needs to stop.

484
00:28:10,042 --> 00:28:10,522
Yeah.

485
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,803
Like we can't we just take there's enough fonts out there.

486
00:28:12,803 --> 00:28:15,164
You can take a it's a cry for help.

487
00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:16,345
It is.

488
00:28:16,345 --> 00:28:18,574
It is in fact a cry for help.

489
00:28:18,574 --> 00:28:25,216
So we hear some of the snippets of the music and the voice message that were put on the
gold record placed aboard the spacecraft.

490
00:28:25,216 --> 00:28:30,077
And we see Voyager 2 uh, you know, traveling through space.

491
00:28:30,077 --> 00:28:34,038
And soon afterwards, what looks like this giant marble in space.

492
00:28:34,038 --> 00:28:38,480
I did not remember the opening of this movie at all from when I saw it as a kid.

493
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,997
Like I there's other things I remembered.

494
00:28:39,997 --> 00:28:41,300
I didn't remember this at all.

495
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:47,874
And I'm I'm watching this, and it's this sphere with what looks like r like a ring of
light around it.

496
00:28:47,874 --> 00:28:50,906
Like it's it's not a I first I was like, is that a planet?

497
00:28:50,906 --> 00:28:54,368
I'm like, that doesn't but like I I genuinely wasn't sure what it was.

498
00:28:54,368 --> 00:29:00,463
And I was thinking about it a lot through the movie in in a good way of like, I'm
intrigued by this.

499
00:29:00,463 --> 00:29:01,563
It's very cool.

500
00:29:01,563 --> 00:29:05,066
And I love that we don't we don't get the answer to like the very end.

501
00:29:05,066 --> 00:29:05,666
Yeah.

502
00:29:05,666 --> 00:29:08,698
And when you see it, it's all it all kind of clicks together.

503
00:29:08,698 --> 00:29:15,233
Like I I I just, you know, it it becomes clear later, and I'll I'll just say that it's a
spaceship of some kind.

504
00:29:15,233 --> 00:29:17,678
But it's such an interesting and unique.

505
00:29:17,678 --> 00:29:27,921
Concept of a spaceship, like they could have so easily gone with like the mothership from
Close Encounters, like that pulls the Voyager 2 probe in.

506
00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:30,581
Or or the dildo ship from Explorers.

507
00:29:30,581 --> 00:29:31,342
Yeah.

508
00:29:31,342 --> 00:29:31,872
Totally.

509
00:29:31,872 --> 00:29:34,522
Or or the mouth ship that ate it.

510
00:29:34,883 --> 00:29:35,903
Right.

511
00:29:36,643 --> 00:29:37,483
Yes, yes.

512
00:29:37,483 --> 00:29:45,925
You know, as you're bringing it up, I'm thinking it is kind of cool how even in the shape
of the ship, you get a clue that these beings are

513
00:29:47,712 --> 00:29:49,504
Are not aggressive.

514
00:29:49,504 --> 00:29:50,365
Yeah.

515
00:29:50,365 --> 00:29:50,685
Right?

516
00:29:50,685 --> 00:29:55,830
The rounded shape is very there's like a a a gentleness to it.

517
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:57,381
It's not super angular.

518
00:29:57,381 --> 00:30:00,835
You know, think about like Star Trek, Birds of Prey, right?

519
00:30:00,835 --> 00:30:05,159
It's like all hard angles coming at you, death in space.

520
00:30:05,159 --> 00:30:07,561
Star Destroyer at the opening of Star Wars.

521
00:30:07,561 --> 00:30:09,243
Like this is the antithesis of that.

522
00:30:09,243 --> 00:30:12,822
It's it is it it you don't know what it is, but you know it's not a warship.

523
00:30:12,822 --> 00:30:13,152
Yeah.

524
00:30:13,152 --> 00:30:15,403
And the orbs flying around it too, Carmelita.

525
00:30:15,403 --> 00:30:16,003
Same thing.

526
00:30:16,003 --> 00:30:20,114
There's a certain peacefulness to just how they sort of float and move around each other.

527
00:30:20,114 --> 00:30:20,945
Yeah.

528
00:30:20,945 --> 00:30:21,505
Yeah.

529
00:30:21,505 --> 00:30:22,465
That's a good call.

530
00:30:22,465 --> 00:30:27,867
And obviously, you know, in in about 200 years, this probe is going to be sent back to us.

531
00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:30,987
And by that point, it'll be calling itself V'ger.

532
00:30:31,008 --> 00:30:37,120
And, you know, this is clearly how how the the V'ger probe came to be uh in in Star Trek
the Motion Picture.

533
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,670
This is this is a secret probe.

534
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,661
Prequel to Star Trek The Motion Picture.

535
00:30:40,661 --> 00:30:44,012
Big misunderstanding over a few missing letters.

536
00:30:44,012 --> 00:30:46,093
A few missing letters, one missing number.

537
00:30:46,093 --> 00:30:48,114
It'll all work out in the end.

538
00:30:48,714 --> 00:30:50,915
you know, and and and we'll go from there.

539
00:30:50,915 --> 00:30:59,969
And then from inside this sphere, we see this smaller vessel emerge, which I thought for a
second, like there's a s you see it flying out, and I was like, it looks a little like the

540
00:30:59,969 --> 00:31:02,200
spaceship from Flight of the Navigator.

541
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,602
Which which came out after this movie, a couple like a year and a half after.

542
00:31:05,602 --> 00:31:06,826
But like it's

543
00:31:06,826 --> 00:31:13,290
It ultimately we see it, it's kind of like a sphere with like a wedge shape piece around
the perimeter.

544
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:21,574
And one thing about this movie, I'll say it doesn't waste any time because we immediately
cut to earth and we are introduced to Jenny Hayden, played by Karen Allen, and she is she

545
00:31:21,574 --> 00:31:22,594
is not doing great.

546
00:31:22,594 --> 00:31:35,822
She is in mourning for the loss of her husband Scott, and she spends her nights drinking
wine and watching home movies in an absolutely cozy core lake house.

547
00:31:35,822 --> 00:31:36,662
Amazing.

548
00:31:36,662 --> 00:31:37,242
Yeah.

549
00:31:37,242 --> 00:31:38,863
I love that house.

550
00:31:38,863 --> 00:31:39,623
I love that place.

551
00:31:39,623 --> 00:31:40,734
It has one problem.

552
00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:42,465
I would make one fix.

553
00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:43,045
What's that?

554
00:31:43,045 --> 00:31:43,965
There's no garage.

555
00:31:43,965 --> 00:31:46,246
It's got it's got a carport, but no garage.

556
00:31:46,246 --> 00:31:50,728
I'm like, Wisconsin, Wisconsin winners, I want to have my my car inside.

557
00:31:50,728 --> 00:31:52,289
Oh, definitely.

558
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:54,370
And there's something stoic about her at this point.

559
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:57,941
It's not like she's sitting there cry crying her eyes out.

560
00:31:57,941 --> 00:31:58,231
Right.

561
00:31:58,231 --> 00:32:02,933
So we don't know how long ago this happened, and I don't mind at all that we never find
out.

562
00:32:03,274 --> 00:32:04,634
But I do like

563
00:32:04,854 --> 00:32:08,125
Just she's in this she's reflective.

564
00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:08,655
Yeah.

565
00:32:08,655 --> 00:32:09,455
In this.

566
00:32:09,455 --> 00:32:11,816
And and it's a scene that's allowed to play out.

567
00:32:11,816 --> 00:32:12,976
It's not rushed.

568
00:32:12,976 --> 00:32:13,857
Yeah.

569
00:32:13,857 --> 00:32:19,098
And I really like how John handled everything with how this is run through.

570
00:32:19,098 --> 00:32:21,674
And she's watching it on a projector.

571
00:32:21,674 --> 00:32:24,900
She you know, no old school home movies.

572
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:25,210
Right.

573
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:26,010
Right.

574
00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:28,281
It's just the sound of the projector.

575
00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:29,161
Mm-hmm.

576
00:32:29,161 --> 00:32:30,802
Plus the light score and everything.

577
00:32:30,802 --> 00:32:32,042
The duet.

578
00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:32,890
them singing.

579
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:34,321
The Everly brothers.

580
00:32:34,321 --> 00:32:34,811
there you go.

581
00:32:34,811 --> 00:32:35,451
That's what it is.

582
00:32:35,451 --> 00:32:36,131
Yeah.

583
00:32:36,131 --> 00:32:37,112
Yeah.

584
00:32:37,112 --> 00:32:38,592
All I have to do is dream.

585
00:32:38,592 --> 00:32:39,932
Oh, my heart.

586
00:32:39,932 --> 00:32:40,613
Mm-hmm.

587
00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:44,214
And there's one point where she says, you you're right, she's kind of stoic.

588
00:32:44,214 --> 00:32:47,195
She says to herself, Don't do this to yourself, Jenny.

589
00:32:47,195 --> 00:32:48,455
Go to sleep.

590
00:32:48,495 --> 00:32:51,690
Like she knows this is not the healthiest behavior.

591
00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:54,183
Uh, but she's she's in in mourning.

592
00:32:54,183 --> 00:32:58,058
I mean, it honestly, Karen Allen is fantastic in this movie.

593
00:32:58,058 --> 00:32:58,732
Yes.

594
00:32:58,732 --> 00:33:01,614
And in a lot of ways, it's her character's movie.

595
00:33:01,614 --> 00:33:02,394
Mm-hmm.

596
00:33:02,394 --> 00:33:12,670
Like, even though Jeff Bridges has the more more showy role, like the more the role that
you instantly notice, it it's it's much the same dynamic as Rain Man, where most of the

597
00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:14,100
attention went to Dustin Hoffman.

598
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,292
But that movie is really about Tom Cruise's character.

599
00:33:17,292 --> 00:33:20,994
This movie's really about about uh Karen Allen's character.

600
00:33:20,994 --> 00:33:22,205
I think there's something similar.

601
00:33:22,205 --> 00:33:23,916
No, definitely it's it's her art.

602
00:33:23,916 --> 00:33:27,358
It's her it's her beginning to heal and and finding purpose.

603
00:33:27,358 --> 00:33:28,288
Incredible performance.

604
00:33:28,288 --> 00:33:28,768
From her.

605
00:33:28,768 --> 00:33:37,843
She's one of those actors who her eyes, you can just she can emote so much.

606
00:33:37,843 --> 00:33:44,017
And I don't know how, but it's she's one of those actors you just feel like you are seal
seeing their soul.

607
00:33:44,017 --> 00:33:44,677
Yeah.

608
00:33:44,677 --> 00:33:48,639
Oddly enough, Charles is not dissimilar to that in this movie.

609
00:33:48,639 --> 00:33:52,751
It's a much different way, but he is another one like that.

610
00:33:52,751 --> 00:33:57,994
But it's just, and I think that's in part why this opening can.

611
00:33:58,466 --> 00:34:04,250
Breathe, like you said, Justin, is because we are we're there with her.

612
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:13,357
And that, you know, in a in a a few shots that may not have a ton of action, there's a lot
of motion going on, but internally.

613
00:34:13,357 --> 00:34:13,817
Yeah.

614
00:34:13,817 --> 00:34:20,412
Karen Allen to me always seems to exude a strength.

615
00:34:20,412 --> 00:34:21,202
Yes.

616
00:34:21,202 --> 00:34:26,658
And it it's it's really well placed in this film for this character because.

617
00:34:26,658 --> 00:34:34,980
You know, we're gonna follow her on this journey, and we start with her being just so
heartbroken and grieving, but there's this underlying strength.

618
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:39,521
She's not just mopey and hysterical, right?

619
00:34:39,521 --> 00:34:42,942
Um, for lack of a better word.

620
00:34:43,242 --> 00:34:46,683
There's an underlying strength that you mentioned, stoicism.

621
00:34:47,103 --> 00:34:55,825
And and so you're you're endeared to her, you feel for her, and it never feels over like
you're overwhelmed by her emotions.

622
00:34:56,024 --> 00:34:58,205
But you can feel that there's a depth there.

623
00:34:58,205 --> 00:34:58,795
absolutely.

624
00:34:58,795 --> 00:35:11,300
And and and here you think about the first two emotions that she is that we see her kind
of experiencing in this movie are grief, uh, sadness in in the opening, and then fear.

625
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:12,060
Yeah.

626
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:16,102
But sh she never feels, she always feels strong.

627
00:35:16,102 --> 00:35:16,782
Yeah.

628
00:35:16,782 --> 00:35:19,083
Even in that f with that fear.

629
00:35:19,083 --> 00:35:20,819
Very reasonable fear, I might add.

630
00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:26,186
I I s uh really sense that that's a feeling of what do I have left?

631
00:35:26,266 --> 00:35:26,486
Mm.

632
00:35:26,486 --> 00:35:27,147
Yeah.

633
00:35:27,147 --> 00:35:37,691
There's a certain abandon with it along the whole route that we're gonna travel with her
in this, where even at one point, quite literally, she says, Just kill me.

634
00:35:37,791 --> 00:35:38,302
Right.

635
00:35:38,302 --> 00:35:38,612
Yeah.

636
00:35:38,612 --> 00:35:40,463
She's like, I'm not gonna be afraid anymore.

637
00:35:40,463 --> 00:35:41,683
And you get that sense though.

638
00:35:41,683 --> 00:35:47,076
It's not Lady Terminator where she's kicking down a door and shooting a guy a hundred
times in the crotch.

639
00:35:47,076 --> 00:35:51,078
It's someone who is terrible analogy.

640
00:35:51,078 --> 00:35:52,378
That is

641
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,193
I was thinking I'd pay I'd pay to see Karen Allen in that movie too.

642
00:35:57,193 --> 00:35:57,874
I would too.

643
00:35:57,874 --> 00:36:00,396
If you haven't seen Lady Terminator, you need to see it, folks.

644
00:36:00,396 --> 00:36:02,698
Mondo Macabre has it out on DVD.

645
00:36:02,698 --> 00:36:08,432
And there's we need to find a get me another Terminator bonus episode or something at some
point.

646
00:36:08,432 --> 00:36:08,923
we'll do it.

647
00:36:08,923 --> 00:36:10,924
Get me another Terminator series at some point.

648
00:36:10,924 --> 00:36:12,656
my God, please.

649
00:36:12,656 --> 00:36:13,146
yes.

650
00:36:13,146 --> 00:36:13,677
We need to.

651
00:36:13,677 --> 00:36:14,778
And that must be included.

652
00:36:14,778 --> 00:36:16,008
It's so great.

653
00:36:16,369 --> 00:36:18,100
And what was I saying?

654
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:23,010
Oh, that she that so I think that helps with.

655
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:33,799
What the way that she's approaching her mourning and sadness, I mean, this is the only
moment where we really see her quiet and with herself, but she's never consumed by either

656
00:36:33,799 --> 00:36:35,590
fear or the loss.

657
00:36:35,590 --> 00:36:36,401
Yeah.

658
00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:38,413
There's nothing that's dominant in her.

659
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:41,345
It's like she is what you would assume.

660
00:36:41,345 --> 00:36:45,989
I mean, I'm lucky to have not lost a partner like that in life.

661
00:36:45,989 --> 00:36:50,092
And I cannot imagine the mix of emotions after that.

662
00:36:50,092 --> 00:36:51,604
How how would you go on?

663
00:36:51,604 --> 00:36:52,310
And what

664
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,971
strength would you have to even give a shit about anything.

665
00:36:54,971 --> 00:36:55,531
Right.

666
00:36:55,531 --> 00:36:59,173
And with her living remotely, she's probably by herself a lot.

667
00:36:59,233 --> 00:37:03,905
So that's anyway, that's my read on her strength you guys were talking about in this.

668
00:37:03,905 --> 00:37:04,755
Yeah.

669
00:37:04,755 --> 00:37:06,056
I think that's I think you're right.

670
00:37:06,056 --> 00:37:08,297
I think that's that's that's right on the money.

671
00:37:08,297 --> 00:37:17,000
And and it just it all it makes for a really compelling character to watch because we're
with her before we're with him.

672
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,222
Jenny is is really the the eyes into the into the story.

673
00:37:21,222 --> 00:37:22,028
Yeah.

674
00:37:22,028 --> 00:37:25,590
So we see the craft, it it def descends into Earth's atmosphere.

675
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:26,871
It's picked up by radar.

676
00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:34,965
And because this is a John Carpenter movie and not a Steven Spielberg movie, the human
response is not entirely benign.

677
00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:38,767
In short, a fighter plane shoots missiles at it without so much as a warning.

678
00:37:38,767 --> 00:37:41,019
They just they just start blowing it away.

679
00:37:41,019 --> 00:37:43,149
This is America, folks.

680
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:45,070
Apparently, yes.

681
00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:47,042
The height of the Cold War?

682
00:37:47,042 --> 00:37:49,373
I guess they think they I guess they assume it's Russian.

683
00:37:49,373 --> 00:37:51,234
I think they kind of say that.

684
00:37:51,266 --> 00:37:52,746
for sure, yeah.

685
00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:55,859
You know, the the the Cold War I remember being, you know.

686
00:37:55,859 --> 00:38:00,061
Yeah, everything was simple but terrifying.

687
00:38:00,061 --> 00:38:02,732
Now everything's complex and terrifying.

688
00:38:03,373 --> 00:38:04,463
It's all terrifying.

689
00:38:04,463 --> 00:38:05,804
Yeah.

690
00:38:05,804 --> 00:38:07,555
but this film it's it does an interesting thing.

691
00:38:07,555 --> 00:38:10,777
It splits the authority figure into two distinct roles.

692
00:38:10,777 --> 00:38:12,978
And they're and they're both introduced around this point.

693
00:38:12,978 --> 00:38:17,921
Charles Martin Smith plays Mark Sherman, who is essentially the investigator character.

694
00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,226
He works for SETI.

695
00:38:19,226 --> 00:38:20,166
He

696
00:38:20,254 --> 00:38:21,365
Is not aggressive.

697
00:38:21,365 --> 00:38:24,217
He very much wants to meet and understand.

698
00:38:24,217 --> 00:38:26,129
If there is an alien, he wants to meet it.

699
00:38:26,129 --> 00:38:34,967
He's he's like Keys in ET, but they're not hiding the ball with his, you know, what his
kind of viewpoint is.

700
00:38:34,967 --> 00:38:40,642
And then on the other hand, you have Grizzlies Richard Jekyll playing uh Fox, the more
militaristic sort.

701
00:38:40,642 --> 00:38:45,736
I think he's the like the director of the NSC, um, and or the NSA.

702
00:38:45,736 --> 00:38:48,716
Uh, and and he is chomping at the bit.

703
00:38:48,716 --> 00:38:52,448
This guy, he just wants to shoot down aliens and cut them up, this son of a bitch.

704
00:38:52,448 --> 00:38:53,628
Yeah, that's his plan.

705
00:38:53,628 --> 00:38:54,229
Yeah, that's it.

706
00:38:54,229 --> 00:38:56,410
It's just like, you know, I mean, wouldn't you wanna have it?

707
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:58,300
If you could, wouldn't you wanna talk to it?

708
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,612
Know that, hey, you know, hey, how do you do what you do?

709
00:39:00,612 --> 00:39:03,453
You know, how do you how do you fly in space?

710
00:39:03,453 --> 00:39:08,945
This is the one thing that I as long as we're here, I'm gonna pick that knit.

711
00:39:08,945 --> 00:39:10,636
I'm gonna beat this dead horse.

712
00:39:10,776 --> 00:39:14,548
In reality, even if you are

713
00:39:14,548 --> 00:39:24,006
military general and you're charged with protecting the nation and this crazy thing's
coming and you have no idea and you're like, my God, could this, you know, kill us all?

714
00:39:24,006 --> 00:39:24,567
Yeah.

715
00:39:24,567 --> 00:39:32,232
If they're flying here with interstellar travel, isn't attacking them one of the most
dangerous things you could do?

716
00:39:32,253 --> 00:39:33,084
Just saying.

717
00:39:33,084 --> 00:39:34,024
One would think.

718
00:39:34,024 --> 00:39:34,538
Yes.

719
00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:43,328
Like when we talked about close encounters, I was like, one of the great one I think I
love about that movie is how the the the you know Francois Touffo is this this

720
00:39:43,328 --> 00:39:45,540
Sort of very benign authority figure.

721
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:50,863
Here, you know, like uh the uh Richard Jacyl's character is on the other end of the
spectrum.

722
00:39:50,863 --> 00:39:53,725
The reality is probably somewhere in between.

723
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,566
Independence day, yes.

724
00:39:56,007 --> 00:39:56,637
There it is.

725
00:39:56,637 --> 00:39:58,088
Yes.

726
00:39:59,989 --> 00:40:08,755
so the missile he the missile brings down this alien spacecraft in the general vicinity of
Jenny's house on Shamogan Bay, Wisconsin.

727
00:40:08,755 --> 00:40:12,998
And this thing comes down in a blaze of

728
00:40:13,176 --> 00:40:13,906
Fire.

729
00:40:13,906 --> 00:40:15,797
Like it is burning up trees.

730
00:40:15,797 --> 00:40:19,208
It's it makes a scar across the wooded landscape.

731
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:24,149
Apparently this was all very hard to shoot because it was raining the whole time that they
were shooting this.

732
00:40:24,149 --> 00:40:31,681
So getting things to light on fire was apparently very difficult and uh made the
production that that section of the production very hard.

733
00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:38,353
Uh and it's just like this this this ball of light kind of will emerge from this burning
fire.

734
00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:41,924
Starman in his true form is is a little ball of light.

735
00:40:41,924 --> 00:40:42,882
Love that.

736
00:40:42,882 --> 00:40:51,866
So we get we get the ball of light, comes into the house, and starts, you know, flipping
through her stuff, flipping through the scrapbook, watching the home movies, and uh, you

737
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:53,867
know, generally invading her privacy.

738
00:40:53,867 --> 00:41:00,070
I mean, it doesn't know, but you know, it's it's it's a it's you know it's a transgression
a little bit.

739
00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:03,531
And there is a lock of hair in this scrapbook.

740
00:41:03,952 --> 00:41:09,304
So the ball of light is able to clone Jenny's late husband Scott.

741
00:41:09,304 --> 00:41:13,128
But not before travelling into some sort of hellscape momentarily.

742
00:41:15,234 --> 00:41:17,918
What was what is that?

743
00:41:19,322 --> 00:41:20,784
Is this is this the baby?

744
00:41:20,784 --> 00:41:22,688
Is this the transformation of the baby?

745
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:26,125
I don't maybe hell baby, hell boy, hell.

746
00:41:26,125 --> 00:41:27,917
So scary that

747
00:41:27,992 --> 00:41:29,623
The the baby thing.

748
00:41:29,623 --> 00:41:31,174
The baby is amazing.

749
00:41:31,174 --> 00:41:33,176
It's this glowing, translucent.

750
00:41:33,176 --> 00:41:37,725
It looks like the baby equivalent of the Lopan transformation from Big Trouble and Little
Child.

751
00:41:37,725 --> 00:41:39,090
I was just gonna say that.

752
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:39,520
Yeah.

753
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,132
It's like fetal lopan.

754
00:41:41,132 --> 00:41:41,802
Fetal Lopan.

755
00:41:41,802 --> 00:41:47,956
And then in the space of moments, it grows into a toddler and then a child and then
finally Jeff Bridges.

756
00:41:47,956 --> 00:41:54,331
I thought it looked like like in total recall when they when they get out of the airlock
on Mars.

757
00:41:54,331 --> 00:41:55,142
yeah.

758
00:41:55,142 --> 00:41:55,874
Yes.

759
00:41:55,874 --> 00:41:58,895
The where the the eyes are bulging out and yes.

760
00:41:58,895 --> 00:42:01,126
It also looks like the baby's in It's Alive.

761
00:42:01,126 --> 00:42:03,107
Oh yes it does.

762
00:42:03,107 --> 00:42:05,247
the the the baby stage does.

763
00:42:05,247 --> 00:42:06,458
Yeah.

764
00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:15,701
And also not the first time that Karen Allen has had to act on screen seeing a crazy pod
transformation like that.

765
00:42:15,701 --> 00:42:16,562
that's true.

766
00:42:16,562 --> 00:42:17,578
Yeah.

767
00:42:17,578 --> 00:42:27,847
It's also the not the only time we saw a rapid aging in a sci-fi movie from nineteen
eighty-four because Star Trek Three, The Search for Spock on the Genesis planet.

768
00:42:27,847 --> 00:42:28,142
Yeah.

769
00:42:28,142 --> 00:42:36,174
We have Spock growing very, very quickly and wow, you know, it's all, you know, before
before he uh, you know, has to go through pawn far.

770
00:42:36,174 --> 00:42:44,421
It's so i when she so she wakes up, sees the blue light emanating from the living room,
which is in her drawer for presumably a gun.

771
00:42:44,421 --> 00:42:45,622
It's not there.

772
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:53,752
She walks out in the living room and then she's greeted by this fetus baby globe monster
on the floor.

773
00:42:53,932 --> 00:42:55,043
It's so odd.

774
00:42:55,043 --> 00:42:55,783
It's so weird.

775
00:42:55,783 --> 00:43:00,444
But she stands, she stares at it in this frozen horror.

776
00:43:00,444 --> 00:43:01,454
She doesn't run.

777
00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:03,495
She handles it.

778
00:43:03,495 --> 00:43:04,445
She really does.

779
00:43:04,445 --> 00:43:12,137
And that's what I'm talking about, where she has been through so much by this point
emotionally that it's like kind of a what's next kind of thing.

780
00:43:12,137 --> 00:43:12,978
Right.

781
00:43:12,978 --> 00:43:15,330
Not as dramatic as that sounds.

782
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:24,116
But I just love her reaction as a f very confused, fascinated person sitting there
watching this whole thing transpire.

783
00:43:24,256 --> 00:43:30,531
And when before we see that it's naked Jeff Bridges, he's naked for a while.

784
00:43:30,531 --> 00:43:31,702
Yeah, too.

785
00:43:31,702 --> 00:43:35,804
And is he drops these orb things on the floor.

786
00:43:35,804 --> 00:43:37,185
Yeah, the marbles.

787
00:43:37,185 --> 00:43:39,907
The marbles which are gonna become very important.

788
00:43:39,907 --> 00:43:41,548
But she does find her gun.

789
00:43:41,548 --> 00:43:42,269
Yes.

790
00:43:42,269 --> 00:43:44,086
She'd clearly left it in the living room.

791
00:43:44,086 --> 00:43:45,446
Left in the living room, yeah.

792
00:43:45,446 --> 00:43:46,167
Yeah.

793
00:43:46,167 --> 00:43:48,347
Which who knows what that was for.

794
00:43:48,347 --> 00:43:48,827
Yeah, yeah.

795
00:43:48,827 --> 00:43:50,748
I I had that state of mind.

796
00:43:50,748 --> 00:43:51,428
Yeah.

797
00:43:51,428 --> 00:43:58,130
I I wanna talk about this the the the baby, because the baby is is a unique thing in in
movie special effects.

798
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:09,214
This scene was a collaboration of three of the greatest makeup effects artists of all time
Dick Smith, Rick Baker, and Stan Winston.

799
00:44:09,214 --> 00:44:10,038
So rare.

800
00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:13,330
It is the only movie that all three of them worked on.

801
00:44:13,330 --> 00:44:14,141
It's amazing.

802
00:44:14,141 --> 00:44:22,907
Dick Smith, most famous for The Exorcist, Rick Baker, worked for Smith on that film and
then went on to do movies like American Werewolf in London and Harry and the Hendersons,

803
00:44:22,907 --> 00:44:28,181
Men in Black, and Stan Winston did The Terminator and Aliens and Jurassic Park and many
more.

804
00:44:28,181 --> 00:44:32,794
I mean, it's like having your movie scored by John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, and James
Horner.

805
00:44:32,794 --> 00:44:33,125
Yeah.

806
00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:34,285
It's a murderer's row.

807
00:44:34,285 --> 00:44:38,358
Carpenter has always had the greatest eye.

808
00:44:38,358 --> 00:44:41,480
And attention for the special effects artists.

809
00:44:41,821 --> 00:44:50,427
You know, bringing Rob Bouteen on in on the thing, which really revolutionized cinema in a
lot of ways, the effects that he created for that movie.

810
00:44:50,427 --> 00:44:50,942
Definitely.

811
00:44:50,942 --> 00:44:54,649
He repeatedly returns to the greatest of the greats.

812
00:44:54,710 --> 00:45:00,294
And of course, John's gonna understand to bring these three guys together to to have these
shops teaming up.

813
00:45:00,294 --> 00:45:00,964
It's amazing.

814
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:05,908
They originally went to Dick Smith, and Dick Smith was like, I cannot do this by myself.

815
00:45:05,908 --> 00:45:06,738
So

816
00:45:06,998 --> 00:45:14,710
I actually I went and and found out a little bit how they did this, because they
essentially broke up the work uh between the three of them.

817
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:19,943
It was all first of all, it was all done in camera with practical effects and editing.

818
00:45:19,943 --> 00:45:26,846
So there was no like post, you know, like uh it wasn't done with with you know visual
effects after the fact.

819
00:45:26,846 --> 00:45:30,247
It was all done on s on set.

820
00:45:30,328 --> 00:45:34,709
Rick Baker built the first stage, the baby demon puppet.

821
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:36,012
That was Rick Baker.

822
00:45:36,012 --> 00:45:44,005
Then Stan Winston did the middle stage with the puppet with the stretching limbs that then
they cut to a real boy very briefly.

823
00:45:44,226 --> 00:45:55,931
And then Dick Smith did the final evolution to the full grown adult where his like head is
going up on its neck, like and it's very like and and to make that transition smooth, Dick

824
00:45:55,931 --> 00:45:59,652
Smith built more than a hundred separate dummies.

825
00:45:59,652 --> 00:46:01,813
It was basically like stop motion.

826
00:46:01,813 --> 00:46:02,734
Wow.

827
00:46:02,734 --> 00:46:03,660
So cool.

828
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:11,004
That note that's incredible that that's almost kind of like uh I mean not quite, but like
Harryhausen or like as you said, stop motion work.

829
00:46:11,004 --> 00:46:11,674
But yeah.

830
00:46:11,674 --> 00:46:18,858
I I wanted to ask you though, Chris, because there's one I wanted to mention out of those
three, which one made dadass?

831
00:46:18,858 --> 00:46:24,501
Because that's the real maestro, I'm telling ya.

832
00:46:25,566 --> 00:46:33,717
I mean it's it's funny the Terminator came out the same year where you have, you know,
somebody coming in naked, you know, for an extended wrong with man ass.

833
00:46:33,717 --> 00:46:37,829
No, there's nothing no one's saying that.

834
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:41,210
Act one of this movie hates pants, just in general.

835
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:44,941
For him, for her, yeah, for the baby.

836
00:46:44,941 --> 00:46:48,692
She falls asleep on the bed in a sweater and underwear.

837
00:46:48,692 --> 00:46:49,473
I've been there.

838
00:46:49,473 --> 00:46:50,193
Yeah.

839
00:46:50,193 --> 00:46:54,594
I guess if you're cold on top and warm on the bottom, makes sense.

840
00:46:55,532 --> 00:47:00,783
I want the Dick Smith thing is interesting too because of the West Coast East Coast bias.

841
00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:10,546
And I've interviewed all these guys, and the Dicks there was this weird thing that was
happening in California.

842
00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:13,837
Man, this goes way back in the studios.

843
00:47:13,837 --> 00:47:21,849
And it's part of what prevented Rick Baker from ign initially getting proper credit on
King Kong in 76.

844
00:47:21,849 --> 00:47:22,660
Right, right.

845
00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:24,102
Was he

846
00:47:24,878 --> 00:47:35,176
Came into doing what he does through writing to Dick Smith and through the mail, Dick was
kind of coaching him and working him through his designs on what he was making.

847
00:47:35,176 --> 00:47:36,617
And he's not the only one.

848
00:47:36,617 --> 00:47:47,496
There's so many of these guys that are in the makeup effects world that were in regular
communication, usually by mail with Dick Smith, sending Polaroids of their work and he'd

849
00:47:47,496 --> 00:47:50,390
send notes back, try this different with the seam.

850
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:52,742
No, tuck the hair differently, et cetera, et cetera.

851
00:47:52,742 --> 00:47:53,192
Fascinating.

852
00:47:53,192 --> 00:47:56,254
He was a real guiding light for so many of these artists.

853
00:47:56,254 --> 00:47:57,344
But he was out east.

854
00:47:57,344 --> 00:47:57,745
Right.

855
00:47:57,745 --> 00:48:08,141
And the contingent within the makeup union in Los Angeles, it was like a blacklist on Dick
Smith and anyone from Out East.

856
00:48:08,141 --> 00:48:09,562
And so there was a real bias.

857
00:48:09,562 --> 00:48:15,618
And because Rick Baker specifically was so close with Dick Smith and everyone knew it,
that's why they

858
00:48:15,618 --> 00:48:17,029
The union wouldn't allow him in.

859
00:48:17,029 --> 00:48:20,592
Despite the fact he's in the he's in the the ape suit for most of that movie.

860
00:48:20,592 --> 00:48:22,033
He is Kong.

861
00:48:22,033 --> 00:48:23,514
He is Kong in that movie.

862
00:48:23,514 --> 00:48:23,884
Yeah.

863
00:48:23,884 --> 00:48:24,265
Yeah.

864
00:48:24,265 --> 00:48:27,307
And if if we need to do an episode on that one.

865
00:48:27,307 --> 00:48:31,560
we d well but hey, listen, I just bought Yeti Giant of the Twentieth Century.

866
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,955
So I'm clearly I'm clearly preparing for a get me another King Kong series.

867
00:48:36,955 --> 00:48:37,775
We need to do it.

868
00:48:37,775 --> 00:48:41,484
When I did the what was it, 4K or whatever on that, and I

869
00:48:41,484 --> 00:48:50,440
Had this extended conversation with Rick that I turned into a commentary because the con
it was just so good, chronologically perfect from him telling the whole story for the

870
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,861
first time anywhere.

871
00:48:51,861 --> 00:49:01,688
And it was a horri, horrible experience for him making that film because he was kept
secret the whole time, well, almost the whole time, as it was being produced.

872
00:49:01,688 --> 00:49:07,392
They wanted De De Lorentis wanted the world to believe his giant mechanical piece of
Rimbaldi.

873
00:49:07,392 --> 00:49:10,070
Rimbaldi shit that didn't work.

874
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:15,155
Like most of Rimbaldi's creations didn't work, even though he got an Academy Award for it.

875
00:49:15,155 --> 00:49:19,599
Shots fired on oh Cerker.

876
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:30,030
This is a qualified statement because I have worked on countless movies that Rimbaldi
contributed to, even through to simple things like the hand in Oliver Stone's The Hand.

877
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:30,711
Wow.

878
00:49:30,711 --> 00:49:32,111
None of it worked.

879
00:49:33,053 --> 00:49:34,434
None of it fucking worked.

880
00:49:34,434 --> 00:49:36,495
The closest he came to something working was E.

881
00:49:36,495 --> 00:49:36,845
T.

882
00:49:36,845 --> 00:49:38,746
Well, that really was and that wasn't even him.

883
00:49:38,746 --> 00:49:42,097
That those were the people around him that were contributing to that.

884
00:49:42,097 --> 00:49:47,669
And by the way, the molding process that he claimed credit for on that was not his molding
process either.

885
00:49:47,669 --> 00:49:51,211
my God, we're spilling the tea on this episode.

886
00:49:51,211 --> 00:49:58,894
The kids saying that it was I love that John was like, It's another kind of fuck you to
the studios.

887
00:49:58,894 --> 00:49:59,194
Yes.

888
00:49:59,194 --> 00:49:59,414
Yeah.

889
00:49:59,414 --> 00:50:02,386
To bring Dick Smith in on this project is the point of my rambling.

890
00:50:02,386 --> 00:50:03,746
I think that's great.

891
00:50:03,874 --> 00:50:05,915
Dick was not welcome in Los Angeles.

892
00:50:05,915 --> 00:50:15,678
He was not welcome on in any of the system that was present at the time, but because
Columbia embraced John and they're outside of that to a certain extent, and you know how

893
00:50:15,678 --> 00:50:18,318
long they would last after this on their own, right?

894
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,509
They allowed him to do this.

895
00:50:20,509 --> 00:50:22,700
And I just think it's so cool.

896
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:29,976
And it's a big middle finger that not many people probably think about when just the
simple fact that he brought him into this project.

897
00:50:29,976 --> 00:50:30,326
Love it.

898
00:50:30,326 --> 00:50:31,147
It's fantastic.

899
00:50:31,147 --> 00:50:37,009
The other thing about this scene and having Jenny witness it is it accomplishes something
else.

900
00:50:37,009 --> 00:50:41,090
I actually think it's really helps the pacing of this movie.

901
00:50:41,211 --> 00:50:48,793
Because imagine if she didn't see this, if she just came in and the first thing is she saw
her husband standing in the living room.

902
00:50:49,054 --> 00:50:55,676
That's a whole other movie, is her trying to get to like, why how has my husband returned?

903
00:50:55,676 --> 00:50:59,714
From the get-go, even though this thing looks like her husband.

904
00:50:59,714 --> 00:51:04,738
She kind of knows it isn't because she saw it, you know, kind of shoot up from being a
demon baby.

905
00:51:04,738 --> 00:51:07,161
Yeah, there's this uncanny aspect.

906
00:51:07,161 --> 00:51:07,780
Yeah.

907
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:09,813
Because she's she saw the transformation.

908
00:51:09,813 --> 00:51:14,587
She knows for a fact that her dead husband is still very much dead.

909
00:51:14,587 --> 00:51:15,228
Yes.

910
00:51:15,228 --> 00:51:16,489
That this is something else.

911
00:51:16,489 --> 00:51:19,891
But here he is, walking, talking.

912
00:51:20,012 --> 00:51:21,612
It's his voice.

913
00:51:21,873 --> 00:51:24,945
And over time we'll we'll adopt his mannerisms.

914
00:51:24,945 --> 00:51:26,755
It's a little herky jerky at first.

915
00:51:26,755 --> 00:51:27,494
Okay.

916
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:30,923
Well, the first thing she saw was the ass, and she knew it was him.

917
00:51:30,923 --> 00:51:33,290
Well it's not something you'd forget.

918
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:37,598
It it could be a very different movie if she simply wouldn't have seen that
transformation.

919
00:51:37,598 --> 00:51:37,849
Yes.

920
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:38,719
Very different.

921
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,510
Very different.

922
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:44,064
And and you then have to get on the other side of her discovery.

923
00:51:44,064 --> 00:51:44,544
Right.

924
00:51:44,544 --> 00:51:47,998
To kind of get into the movie it like the story you want to tell.

925
00:51:47,998 --> 00:51:51,871
But having her witness it changes the beginning of this in a way.

926
00:51:51,871 --> 00:51:54,182
Like this is a very well-paced movie.

927
00:51:54,182 --> 00:51:56,384
And and I don't mean well-paced.

928
00:51:56,588 --> 00:51:59,939
Sometimes people say a well-paced movie when they mean is a fast movie.

929
00:51:59,939 --> 00:52:02,721
You know, that's not always the same thing.

930
00:52:02,721 --> 00:52:08,453
This this is fast when it needs to be, and it's slow when it needs to be.

931
00:52:08,453 --> 00:52:08,903
Yes.

932
00:52:08,903 --> 00:52:10,784
And in the right places.

933
00:52:10,784 --> 00:52:11,834
You don't feel it though.

934
00:52:11,834 --> 00:52:12,105
No.

935
00:52:12,105 --> 00:52:12,665
Right.

936
00:52:12,665 --> 00:52:14,165
It just feels natural.

937
00:52:14,165 --> 00:52:16,286
Good pacing you shouldn't feel.

938
00:52:16,286 --> 00:52:17,527
So it's really well done.

939
00:52:17,527 --> 00:52:22,069
And this, I think, this having that choice of having her witness it really, really helps.

940
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:22,469
Yeah.

941
00:52:22,469 --> 00:52:23,599
The emphasis, right?

942
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,410
Pace should

943
00:52:25,752 --> 00:52:29,204
Provide emphasis on the things where you need to spend a little more time.

944
00:52:29,204 --> 00:52:29,984
Yeah.

945
00:52:29,984 --> 00:52:30,484
Yeah.

946
00:52:30,484 --> 00:52:36,667
And then you can move a little, a little more leisurely when you need to get from point A
to point B.

947
00:52:36,667 --> 00:52:41,249
You could have those moments where, you know, they're sitting in the restaurant talking
later.

948
00:52:41,249 --> 00:52:42,529
That's a great scene with the two.

949
00:52:42,529 --> 00:52:43,790
We'll get to that in little bit.

950
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:44,970
Um yeah.

951
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:46,341
It's you could take that time.

952
00:52:46,341 --> 00:52:46,811
Yeah.

953
00:52:46,811 --> 00:52:54,664
And just from the most crass element, if people are plunking down money for a movie called
Star Man.

954
00:52:54,978 --> 00:53:01,942
Don't spend all of Act One with your lead not knowing or believing that he's a star man.

955
00:53:01,942 --> 00:53:03,493
Just get to it.

956
00:53:03,493 --> 00:53:04,233
Yeah.

957
00:53:04,233 --> 00:53:05,084
Yeah.

958
00:53:05,084 --> 00:53:05,624
Yeah.

959
00:53:05,624 --> 00:53:07,846
That's it's 100%.

960
00:53:07,846 --> 00:53:18,542
Uh and and we should also this we should talk about Jeff Bridges' performance here because
he does the it's a great, great performance as he's he's imitating a human.

961
00:53:18,542 --> 00:53:22,198
He's you know, it's like yeah, I I I I I

962
00:53:22,198 --> 00:53:29,931
read a thing where apparently Jeff Bridges studied the movement of birds in order to
inspire the way his character would move.

963
00:53:29,931 --> 00:53:31,641
Like it's not quite human.

964
00:53:31,641 --> 00:53:33,622
It's trying to be human.

965
00:53:33,622 --> 00:53:34,482
I can see that.

966
00:53:34,482 --> 00:53:34,932
Yeah.

967
00:53:34,932 --> 00:53:38,413
And I guess he would go to John Carpenter all the time and just be like, hey, I got this
idea.

968
00:53:38,413 --> 00:53:39,264
Hey, I got this idea.

969
00:53:39,264 --> 00:53:42,985
I'd say he'd send him tapes and and John would be like, okay, go with this or try this.

970
00:53:42,985 --> 00:53:46,296
It was a real i it it's a it's a real

971
00:53:46,296 --> 00:53:50,638
Fascinating collaborative performance in in coming to where it lands.

972
00:53:50,638 --> 00:53:51,908
And it's really effective.

973
00:53:51,908 --> 00:53:58,111
In the wrong hands, this character could be super cringy.

974
00:53:58,111 --> 00:54:02,933
Like in the wrong hands, it's super cringy and possibly super annoying.

975
00:54:02,933 --> 00:54:03,773
Yes.

976
00:54:03,773 --> 00:54:06,774
Where you're like, I wanna I don't care you're an alien, I wanna throw you out a window.

977
00:54:06,774 --> 00:54:07,275
Yeah.

978
00:54:07,275 --> 00:54:09,576
We don't want a Jar Jar Binks situation.

979
00:54:09,576 --> 00:54:14,506
It could have easily been a Jar Jar Binks situation.

980
00:54:14,506 --> 00:54:15,758
One of

981
00:54:15,872 --> 00:54:29,881
The interesting thing about the way Bridges kind of does this is that even as he is
learning and clearly as uh an entity who's not used to having physical speech, you know,

982
00:54:29,881 --> 00:54:38,176
in the human body, all of and let alone not understanding all of our customs, he never
comes across as stupid.

983
00:54:38,176 --> 00:54:38,936
Right.

984
00:54:38,936 --> 00:54:39,557
Yeah.

985
00:54:39,557 --> 00:54:42,238
Which is a huge deal.

986
00:54:42,498 --> 00:54:49,610
And oftentimes in these kinds of roles, I I do, you know, have that feeling of like, you
traveled across the stars.

987
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:51,721
Why are you a complete moron?

988
00:54:51,721 --> 00:54:56,742
But this really just plays like, no, he he doesn't know and he he does pick up
understanding.

989
00:54:56,742 --> 00:54:59,120
And it's such a great performance, as as you all know.

990
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:07,305
He's more on like the Nukey level of a character from space where there's a certain
brilliance with the performance.

991
00:55:07,405 --> 00:55:09,305
I knew Nuki was gonna come up.

992
00:55:09,305 --> 00:55:12,426
And subtlety to how he

993
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,316
Anyway, so I knew it wouldn't I knew it would I honestly I'm surprised it took this long
for Nuki to come up.

994
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:23,018
I I I haven't been able to shake Nuki since last week.

995
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:32,847
If you only saw the text thread between the three of us on a daily basis, there are do you
have you seen Nuki, Carmelita?

996
00:55:32,847 --> 00:55:33,217
No.

997
00:55:33,217 --> 00:55:35,308
Don't hang yourself.

998
00:55:36,430 --> 00:55:38,411
Because you are missing out.

999
00:55:38,411 --> 00:55:42,134
Oh it is in this whole series so far.

1000
00:55:42,614 --> 00:55:43,734
My favorite.

1001
00:55:44,035 --> 00:55:45,296
My favorite episode.

1002
00:55:45,296 --> 00:55:46,577
I hated it watching it.

1003
00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:48,999
I was so angry talking about it even.

1004
00:55:48,999 --> 00:55:53,222
But since then, and I think it's because of the certain joy the three of us have found.

1005
00:55:53,222 --> 00:55:53,682
my god.

1006
00:55:53,682 --> 00:55:58,716
Everyday exchanges using referencing Nukie stickers of Nuki to everybody's comments.

1007
00:55:58,716 --> 00:56:06,634
And then we pile the stickers on these pictures of this dried out dog turd alien with snot
running down its nose.

1008
00:56:06,634 --> 00:56:09,844
And if that didn't sell you on it, Carmelita, I don't know what will.

1009
00:56:11,182 --> 00:56:18,286
But anyway, uh you know, Jeff Bridges really nails that kind of subtlety and and the art
of the craft, I guess I'd say.

1010
00:56:18,286 --> 00:56:20,167
I also thought it was interesting in the scene.

1011
00:56:20,167 --> 00:56:26,350
John Carpenter tends to have some kind of religion and usually criticism of said in his
films.

1012
00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:33,184
There's not much of that in this movie, but there is a moment where Jenny prays in the in
the living room here.

1013
00:56:33,184 --> 00:56:40,184
There's a moment where she just resorts to that out of fear, not knowing really what else
to do.

1014
00:56:40,184 --> 00:56:42,335
And I thought that was an interesting little touch to put in there.

1015
00:56:42,335 --> 00:56:48,186
And I I would be curious if that's actually in the script or if that was John shoehorning
that in, because he likes to do that.

1016
00:56:48,186 --> 00:56:49,016
Interesting.

1017
00:56:49,016 --> 00:56:54,218
Interest no, this is we'll get more as as we go, but There's also religion in Nuki.

1018
00:56:54,218 --> 00:56:55,798
There's a nun in Nuki.

1019
00:56:55,798 --> 00:56:56,679
Oh, well.

1020
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,089
Well you should have led with that.

1021
00:56:58,089 --> 00:57:03,450
Nuns in film, one of my favorite things.

1022
00:57:03,450 --> 00:57:05,461
You have to build to this.

1023
00:57:05,461 --> 00:57:06,131
It's not Ms.

1024
00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:06,801
Forty Five.

1025
00:57:06,801 --> 00:57:09,560
It's not, yeah, that's not none Nuki, I wouldn't

1026
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,631
quite call it nunsploitation.

1027
00:57:11,631 --> 00:57:19,494
Nuns of all of all pers you know, all kind of whatever the nuns got going on, I'm
interested.

1028
00:57:19,494 --> 00:57:20,185
Fascinating.

1029
00:57:20,185 --> 00:57:22,146
I love Miss 45 so much.

1030
00:57:22,146 --> 00:57:22,436
yeah.

1031
00:57:22,436 --> 00:57:23,826
That movie is magical.

1032
00:57:23,826 --> 00:57:25,686
And I've I think it's hilarious.

1033
00:57:25,686 --> 00:57:30,719
I think it was Severin or someone released a box set of nun related horror movies or
something.

1034
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:33,301
No, it's n it's a nunsploitation box set.

1035
00:57:33,301 --> 00:57:33,921
There you go.

1036
00:57:33,921 --> 00:57:37,172
But what they called it because it came with a t-shirt and

1037
00:57:38,018 --> 00:57:39,018
Something some other stuff.

1038
00:57:39,018 --> 00:57:40,299
They called it a nundle.

1039
00:57:40,299 --> 00:57:42,720
Ah, I love it.

1040
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:43,420
my god.

1041
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:45,910
So my friend and I still say nundle to each other randomly.

1042
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:46,902
That's amazing.

1043
00:57:46,902 --> 00:57:47,282
I don't know.

1044
00:57:47,282 --> 00:57:48,833
You know those like novelty calendars?

1045
00:57:48,833 --> 00:57:53,085
One of my favorites one year, uh a friend and I were housemates.

1046
00:57:53,085 --> 00:57:55,946
We had the nuns having fun calendar.

1047
00:57:56,218 --> 00:58:02,669
And like every month was the nuns, a group, you know, be nuns smoking cigarettes, having a
beer, playing tennis.

1048
00:58:02,669 --> 00:58:03,269
Yeah.

1049
00:58:03,269 --> 00:58:05,390
You know, having a good time.

1050
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:06,571
So there's one of those in Rookie.

1051
00:58:06,571 --> 00:58:11,185
Apparently, there's this year there's gonna be a re-release of the Devils fully restored.

1052
00:58:11,185 --> 00:58:12,556
Speaking of runs.

1053
00:58:12,556 --> 00:58:13,837
My birth month.

1054
00:58:13,837 --> 00:58:20,552
It's like it's like the universe is giving me a birthday present that the devils is
finally being re-released.

1055
00:58:20,552 --> 00:58:25,456
We finally get a a a Blu-ray that that I need.

1056
00:58:25,456 --> 00:58:28,810
I'm you can tell I'm a little excited.

1057
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:31,471
I hope it c I hope it comes in a Nundle.

1058
00:58:32,612 --> 00:58:34,393
my god, please.

1059
00:58:35,778 --> 00:58:40,703
So w the other thing we should mention is that that he he is we mentioned we touched on
the marbles.

1060
00:58:40,703 --> 00:58:41,954
He's got these marbles.

1061
00:58:41,954 --> 00:58:47,249
I don't know where he was hiding them in his you know That's a good question.

1062
00:58:47,249 --> 00:58:48,970
Honestly, I didn't know why I said that.

1063
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:51,423
I was gonna I I I didn't have that in my notes.

1064
00:58:51,423 --> 00:58:56,618
That was that was just off the cuff, was where was he hiding those marbles when he was his
head?

1065
00:58:56,618 --> 00:58:57,198
I don't know.

1066
00:58:57,198 --> 00:58:58,239
I don't know.

1067
00:58:58,239 --> 00:58:59,901
Where do you think they were the urethra?

1068
00:58:59,901 --> 00:59:01,356
What do you think?

1069
00:59:01,356 --> 00:59:02,647
I don't I d I don't know.

1070
00:59:02,647 --> 00:59:04,989
I wasn't going to say the word urethra.

1071
00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:08,899
I would didn't I hadn't come up with that, but you know Rob said that.

1072
00:59:08,899 --> 00:59:10,024
I don't know what his problem was.

1073
00:59:10,024 --> 00:59:11,585
But what were you thinking, Carmelita?

1074
00:59:11,585 --> 00:59:13,086
Like a little suppository action?

1075
00:59:13,086 --> 00:59:13,537
Yeah.

1076
00:59:13,537 --> 00:59:18,340
I mean if if you need to stash something.

1077
00:59:18,426 --> 00:59:19,994
And you don't have pockets.

1078
00:59:19,994 --> 00:59:21,424
And you don't have pockets.

1079
00:59:21,424 --> 00:59:23,305
What we need is a little jingle to put right here.

1080
00:59:23,305 --> 00:59:25,747
It's like Carmelita's advice on life.

1081
00:59:25,747 --> 00:59:26,788
And then it cuts to you.

1082
00:59:26,788 --> 00:59:28,940
Well, we have le legal disclaimer first.

1083
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:32,922
None of the ideas presented by Carmelita should be exercised in actual life or practice.

1084
00:59:32,922 --> 00:59:37,223
You don't hold yourself responsible for any actions or damage to you that's taken.

1085
00:59:37,223 --> 00:59:41,975
And then we cut to you saying things like shove marbles in your ass.

1086
00:59:42,156 --> 00:59:42,626
Right.

1087
00:59:42,626 --> 00:59:46,037
I mean you know.

1088
00:59:46,037 --> 00:59:50,439
oh Hey, I mean, if the NSA had caught him, they were gonna look there.

1089
00:59:50,439 --> 00:59:52,170
So it might not have been effective.

1090
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:53,520
That's true.

1091
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,220
But I mean the impulse is is right on, depending on the situation.

1092
00:59:58,220 --> 00:59:58,830
Makes sense.

1093
00:59:58,830 --> 01:00:00,671
That's where they were, Chris, to your questions.

1094
01:00:00,671 --> 01:00:01,551
There it is.

1095
01:00:01,551 --> 01:00:03,271
I I brought that on myself.

1096
01:00:03,271 --> 01:00:05,232
I brought that on myself.

1097
01:00:05,372 --> 01:00:06,792
Check, please.

1098
01:00:07,993 --> 01:00:09,733
Steve Brule, check, please.

1099
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:15,645
So these these marbles, they they allow him to like harness harness incredible energy to
do various things.

1100
01:00:15,645 --> 01:00:17,156
We see him use it in different ways.

1101
01:00:17,156 --> 01:00:25,474
The first time we see him use the marble, it's there's a shot of him on the porch outside
Jenny's house, and he's like

1102
01:00:25,474 --> 01:00:32,439
Bathed in blue light, he's like sending a distress signal, his hair is standing straight
up.

1103
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:42,587
And all I could think of, and I don't know if it was intentional or not, it looks like the
shot of his father Lloyd Bridges from airplane when he's sniffing glue.

1104
01:00:42,587 --> 01:00:43,487
wow.

1105
01:00:44,288 --> 01:00:47,951
I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing space marbles.

1106
01:00:47,951 --> 01:00:52,344
I'm gonna guess unintentional, but

1107
01:00:52,896 --> 01:00:56,147
Or especially after where Carmelita claims they've been.

1108
01:00:57,027 --> 01:00:58,028
Yes.

1109
01:00:58,608 --> 01:01:04,440
Do you have a better handle on do these things burn up upon use?

1110
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,121
I get the impression is it a one and done kind of thing?

1111
01:01:07,121 --> 01:01:11,192
Yeah, like you get like eight of them in your in your pack and then it's over.

1112
01:01:11,192 --> 01:01:17,734
But I feel that for something that in a different movie, I won't uh

1113
01:01:17,762 --> 01:01:23,718
I think that li the number and the countdown of how many magic space powers he has left
would be a big deal.

1114
01:01:23,718 --> 01:01:26,211
And in this movie it just isn't.

1115
01:01:26,211 --> 01:01:36,561
It comes into play a couple times, but it is so not about his magic powers except in one
big instance.

1116
01:01:36,561 --> 01:01:37,162
Yeah.

1117
01:01:37,162 --> 01:01:37,972
Yeah.

1118
01:01:38,474 --> 01:01:41,106
And and here's the thing, he needs to get to Arizona.

1119
01:01:41,106 --> 01:01:48,382
That is where his rendezvous point is, and he effectively takes Jenny hostage in order for
her to drive him there.

1120
01:01:48,382 --> 01:01:53,926
I mean, I'll say this it's like the least threatening hostage taking you're likely to see.

1121
01:01:53,947 --> 01:01:58,650
Like some of it comes out, he just she kind of just assumes he's dangerous.

1122
01:01:58,671 --> 01:02:07,960
And it's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's it's not like they they walk an
interesting line where she clearly feels like she's in danger.

1123
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:14,894
But the audience I don't think feels he that he's threatening.

1124
01:02:15,334 --> 01:02:16,972
And that's an interesting thing to do.

1125
01:02:16,972 --> 01:02:17,325
It is.

1126
01:02:17,325 --> 01:02:18,236
It's very interesting.

1127
01:02:18,236 --> 01:02:28,962
I mean, anyone, if a strange person was in your home in the middle of the night and as a
woman, there's that added layer, right?

1128
01:02:29,082 --> 01:02:31,344
This nude man it's like ten to midnight.

1129
01:02:31,344 --> 01:02:35,586
This nude man is in my house and he has a weapon.

1130
01:02:35,778 --> 01:02:39,321
Who leather faced my husband's face.

1131
01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:40,162
Right.

1132
01:02:40,162 --> 01:02:41,132
I'm gonna die.

1133
01:02:41,132 --> 01:02:45,746
And that might be the best thing, the best possible outcome in this scenario.

1134
01:02:45,746 --> 01:02:47,628
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, better than other things.

1135
01:02:47,628 --> 01:02:48,063
Yeah, yeah.

1136
01:02:48,063 --> 01:02:49,029
And I see where you're going.

1137
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:49,529
Yeah, no.

1138
01:02:49,529 --> 01:02:58,307
But Jeff Bridges is so charming and he's his kind of there's a playfulness to him, even
when he does at times get a little aggressive.

1139
01:02:58,307 --> 01:03:03,251
And it's not because he's genuinely aggressive, it's because he's kind of mimicking things
he's seen.

1140
01:03:03,251 --> 01:03:04,792
So it it it doesn't

1141
01:03:04,792 --> 01:03:10,847
quite have the teeth for you to actually be terrified as a viewer that something's gonna
happen.

1142
01:03:10,847 --> 01:03:11,468
Yes.

1143
01:03:11,468 --> 01:03:12,398
Very much like a child.

1144
01:03:12,398 --> 01:03:12,829
Yeah.

1145
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:17,032
Like it's it's it's just a really nuanced thing.

1146
01:03:17,032 --> 01:03:26,920
And and I just feel like it it could have so easily gone either he is, you know, the alien
version of the guy from Ten to Midnight, for goodness sake.

1147
01:03:27,261 --> 01:03:34,054
Love that you brought up 10 to all of all of the the Charles Bronson movies that could
have come up today, I never would have

1148
01:03:34,054 --> 01:03:34,975
I love Bronson.

1149
01:03:34,975 --> 01:03:36,375
Oh, absolutely.

1150
01:03:36,375 --> 01:03:37,376
Absolutely.

1151
01:03:37,376 --> 01:03:47,151
But it it's it could have either been very threatening or he's childlike and benign in a
way that there's no threat at all.

1152
01:03:47,151 --> 01:03:48,532
Yeah, and then it'd be laughable.

1153
01:03:48,532 --> 01:03:48,892
Yeah.

1154
01:03:48,892 --> 01:03:52,924
And that so that the movie kind of walks a very narrow line.

1155
01:03:52,924 --> 01:04:03,564
Well, also the as you mentioned earlier, there's no in no indication that any of this
alien activity that's occurred so far had any kind of sinister intent to it.

1156
01:04:03,564 --> 01:04:04,174
Yeah.

1157
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:06,365
All we know is that he needs to go to a place.

1158
01:04:06,365 --> 01:04:14,178
And even the choice of that seems arbitrary to a certain like it just seems so informal
the way that they decide to go where they're heading.

1159
01:04:14,178 --> 01:04:16,859
And so this is unfolding as we go.

1160
01:04:16,859 --> 01:04:18,909
We're learning a little bit more here and there.

1161
01:04:18,909 --> 01:04:22,460
And so the audience has no frame of reference for what he is.

1162
01:04:22,460 --> 01:04:22,850
Yeah.

1163
01:04:22,850 --> 01:04:26,502
Outside of this thing that came from space and grew into a man.

1164
01:04:26,502 --> 01:04:27,650
Beyond that.

1165
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:29,411
He we don't know good or evil.

1166
01:04:29,411 --> 01:04:32,113
We're learning along with him about the world in a way.

1167
01:04:32,113 --> 01:04:32,393
Yeah.

1168
01:04:32,393 --> 01:04:34,173
But we're learning about him.

1169
01:04:34,254 --> 01:04:44,159
So it yeah, it is so fascinating not to have the person who's taken someone be that that
customary sort of bad guy.

1170
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,802
Bad guy or just a non-threat altogether.

1171
01:04:47,802 --> 01:04:56,162
And I I want to appreciate, I want to take a moment to appreciate this at one point they
they have the radio on in the car, they hear a report about the meteor.

1172
01:04:56,162 --> 01:04:58,043
That has crashed not far.

1173
01:04:58,043 --> 01:05:03,325
Up and atom, folks, this is Station WDLU at Madison, Wisconsin, bringing you the 6 AM
News.

1174
01:05:03,325 --> 01:05:09,648
No, folks, all of you that saw that flash in the sky last night, it wasn't the end of the
world, and it wasn't a burning airliner.

1175
01:05:09,648 --> 01:05:10,408
No, sir.

1176
01:05:10,408 --> 01:05:19,752
According to the AP wire, one of the biggest meteorites to strike the planet Earth in the
past eighty years hit last night near Ashland, not far from Shamoguin Bay.

1177
01:05:19,752 --> 01:05:24,054
So you folks who called in to say you saw a flying saucer land over.

1178
01:05:28,022 --> 01:05:29,615
That's about you, isn't it?

1179
01:05:31,512 --> 01:05:36,105
You really are some kind of Martian or something, aren't you?

1180
01:05:38,228 --> 01:05:39,728
What do you want here?

1181
01:05:40,029 --> 01:05:42,271
What are you doing?

1182
01:05:43,472 --> 01:05:44,922
What do you want with me?

1183
01:05:44,922 --> 01:05:46,674
Where are you taking me?

1184
01:05:46,875 --> 01:05:49,477
Why do you look so much like Scott?

1185
01:05:50,818 --> 01:05:55,862
I can't get no satisfaction.

1186
01:05:55,863 --> 01:05:58,225
And I'm just gonna say thank God.

1187
01:05:58,225 --> 01:06:00,446
Thank God.

1188
01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:07,652
They did not take this opportunity to have her say, you really are some kind of star man
or something.

1189
01:06:10,313 --> 01:06:16,234
I mean, it is kind of fun when writers work in the title of the film into dialogue.

1190
01:06:16,234 --> 01:06:21,036
I love a good title drop, but sometim it it's it's just sometimes you don't want it.

1191
01:06:21,036 --> 01:06:23,196
It's sometimes it's it's the restraint.

1192
01:06:23,196 --> 01:06:25,617
Yes, it would be ridiculous in this film.

1193
01:06:25,617 --> 01:06:26,397
Exactly.

1194
01:06:26,397 --> 01:06:29,824
It's I mean, w when we're talking about Death Stalker 2.

1195
01:06:29,824 --> 01:06:30,535
Yes.

1196
01:06:30,535 --> 01:06:37,279
And and you know, the the character turns to the camera and says, I'll have my revenge and
Death Stalker 2.

1197
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:40,211
You that's my favorite title drop of all time.

1198
01:06:40,211 --> 01:06:41,582
My God.

1199
01:06:41,963 --> 01:06:43,063
It's too good.

1200
01:06:43,063 --> 01:06:50,508
At the same time that all this is happening, Mark Sherman is arriving at the crash site
and he's, you know, kind of investigating the meteor.

1201
01:06:50,508 --> 01:06:56,693
They determine very quickly that the meteor is hollow, which meteors are generally not
hollow.

1202
01:06:56,693 --> 01:06:58,584
And and the spacecraft, what

1203
01:06:58,584 --> 01:07:04,277
Turns out to be a spacecraft is removed and brought to a hangar for further investigation.

1204
01:07:04,277 --> 01:07:06,418
And he he's kind of running parallel.

1205
01:07:06,418 --> 01:07:10,480
His investigation's kind of running parallel to our main character's journey.

1206
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,162
It will all kind of sync up at the end.

1207
01:07:13,162 --> 01:07:18,345
But uh, you know, we'll I I wanted to mention that he's also kind of doing his thing as
well.

1208
01:07:18,345 --> 01:07:27,990
Jenny asks a bunch of questions of her her captor, and he can only respond by singing the
Rolling Stones, I can't get no satisfaction.

1209
01:07:28,162 --> 01:07:30,924
Which was on the Voyager 2 record.

1210
01:07:30,924 --> 01:07:33,165
We see him learning.

1211
01:07:33,165 --> 01:07:36,307
Like he has this base of knowledge from the record.

1212
01:07:36,307 --> 01:07:39,889
And then we start to see him expand that.

1213
01:07:39,889 --> 01:07:41,800
I love that that's a real world thing too.

1214
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:42,486
Yeah.

1215
01:07:42,486 --> 01:07:49,634
what a fascinating setup for a movie that some other beings encountered that and decided
to actually take us up on it.

1216
01:07:49,634 --> 01:07:49,944
Yeah.

1217
01:07:49,944 --> 01:07:51,195
Although this is kind of fun.

1218
01:07:51,195 --> 01:07:57,254
So the actual gold record in real life, the rock song on it is Johnny Be Good.

1219
01:07:57,254 --> 01:07:57,964
Really?

1220
01:07:57,964 --> 01:07:58,855
Chuck Barry.

1221
01:07:58,855 --> 01:08:00,756
Yeah, not the Rolling Stones.

1222
01:08:00,756 --> 01:08:10,060
But I wonder if the Rolling Stones, the choice of that, if this could this be a uh
weighing in on the Beatles versus the Stones debate.

1223
01:08:10,060 --> 01:08:10,910
Ooh, interesting.

1224
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:12,201
Because it can't be cheap.

1225
01:08:12,201 --> 01:08:12,711
No.

1226
01:08:12,711 --> 01:08:16,733
To license a Stones song, not any cheaper than it would be to license a Beatles song.

1227
01:08:16,733 --> 01:08:17,343
So I wonder.

1228
01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,674
Because that was still very much a debate back then.

1229
01:08:19,674 --> 01:08:20,484
for sure.

1230
01:08:20,484 --> 01:08:25,066
they were the they were the the the the yin and the yang of of sixties.

1231
01:08:25,099 --> 01:08:26,930
You know, sixties sixties rock.

1232
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:27,330
Yeah.

1233
01:08:27,330 --> 01:08:36,352
The Beatles and the Stones, it's not unlike the relationship, I think, between the films
of Steven Spielberg and the films of John Carpenter.

1234
01:08:36,352 --> 01:08:37,273
Oh, yeah.

1235
01:08:37,273 --> 01:08:43,725
Like they are they're kind of operating in a similar space, but on kind of two opposite
sides of the coin.

1236
01:08:43,725 --> 01:08:46,316
One's a little lighter, one's a little darker.

1237
01:08:46,316 --> 01:08:51,767
But like the the Beatles and the Rolling Stones all grew up listening to the same kind of
rock and roll.

1238
01:08:51,767 --> 01:08:54,688
And we see that in influenced in their music.

1239
01:08:54,805 --> 01:08:56,725
It's the same thing with Spielberg and Carpenter.

1240
01:08:56,725 --> 01:09:01,176
They grew up watching the same kind of movies in the 50s and and so on.

1241
01:09:01,176 --> 01:09:05,587
And their interpretations of those things are different.

1242
01:09:05,587 --> 01:09:07,547
Spielberg's all dunno.

1243
01:09:07,547 --> 01:09:10,448
And John's like, big trouble.

1244
01:09:11,148 --> 01:09:13,008
Little China down.

1245
01:09:13,008 --> 01:09:16,899
This again, it is, as you said, the adult version of ET.

1246
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:22,570
So our uh our pop culture reference is very contained.

1247
01:09:22,570 --> 01:09:23,040
Yeah.

1248
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:30,515
And it makes a lot of sense as part of the The Voyager, uh, even though it's a lie, as
Carmelita has informed us.

1249
01:09:30,515 --> 01:09:42,202
But that he he's learning a little bit about us through uh the culture that we set up
there, but you don't get the extended sequences of it here because um they deal with more

1250
01:09:42,202 --> 01:09:43,283
adult things.

1251
01:09:43,283 --> 01:09:50,678
Well, yeah, he's not he's not watching cartoons or you know, he's not he's he's watching
From Here to Etern later on he watches From Here to Eternity.

1252
01:09:50,678 --> 01:09:52,999
It's the classy version.

1253
01:09:53,102 --> 01:09:56,113
It's the classy version of the pop culture intake.

1254
01:09:56,113 --> 01:10:07,706
But much like every uh window in Paris looks out on the Eiffel Tower, anytime someone is
watching From Here to Eternity, there's only one part of the movie that's going to be

1255
01:10:07,706 --> 01:10:08,136
playing.

1256
01:10:08,136 --> 01:10:10,027
It's always the beasty.

1257
01:10:10,027 --> 01:10:11,087
There's no question.

1258
01:10:11,087 --> 01:10:13,337
And and he had to learn how to kiss.

1259
01:10:13,337 --> 01:10:15,648
That's gonna come in handy.

1260
01:10:15,648 --> 01:10:16,458
He might need that.

1261
01:10:16,458 --> 01:10:17,319
He might need that.

1262
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:23,070
There's a great moment where she tries to escape, where she basically intentionally

1263
01:10:23,192 --> 01:10:27,765
provokes a near collision with the hope of of of getting away.

1264
01:10:27,765 --> 01:10:31,927
And he uses uh another one of those marbles to heat up a tree.

1265
01:10:31,927 --> 01:10:36,539
Like he just this tree blows up and and he melts this driver's lug wrench.

1266
01:10:36,539 --> 01:10:37,530
I'd like to see E.T.

1267
01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:38,570
do that.

1268
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:39,651
You never see E.T.

1269
01:10:39,651 --> 01:10:41,572
melt a dude's lug wrench.

1270
01:10:42,192 --> 01:10:48,776
It's funny, for a movie that is rel has relatively little violence, this movie sure loves
explosions.

1271
01:10:48,776 --> 01:10:49,956
It does.

1272
01:10:49,956 --> 01:10:50,927
There's a lot.

1273
01:10:50,927 --> 01:10:53,258
Well I like that when

1274
01:10:53,886 --> 01:10:56,969
He's in a situation where he's being threatened.

1275
01:10:56,969 --> 01:10:59,631
He can do he can show his power.

1276
01:10:59,631 --> 01:11:00,471
Right.

1277
01:11:00,471 --> 01:11:05,335
But he he doesn't needlessly maim or kill.

1278
01:11:05,335 --> 01:11:06,957
He's not trying to injure you.

1279
01:11:06,957 --> 01:11:12,201
He's trying to stop you doing whatever you're doing that's getting in the way of him
making it to Arizona.

1280
01:11:12,201 --> 01:11:13,022
Absolutely.

1281
01:11:13,022 --> 01:11:22,219
I love when the when the incident's recounted later, like that Sherman eventually learns
of that and then she's like, uh, the guy who was with her, the kidnapper, yelled greetings

1282
01:11:22,219 --> 01:11:24,000
and melted his lug wrench.

1283
01:11:25,307 --> 01:11:33,932
But by the way, in that same scene, they open up the meteor, which is the clearly it's not
a natural object, and inside they find that that gold Voyager 2 record.

1284
01:11:33,932 --> 01:11:38,644
It's like it's like bringing your the wedding invitation that you've been invited to to
the wedding.

1285
01:11:38,644 --> 01:11:39,375
Yeah.

1286
01:11:39,375 --> 01:11:46,298
We have a sequence where they stop for gas and Jenny tries to leave a note in the bathroom
saying she's been kidnapped.

1287
01:11:46,298 --> 01:11:53,016
And he finds it, mainly because he doesn't seem to understand the cultural difference
between a men's and a lady's room.

1288
01:11:53,016 --> 01:11:59,681
But this is another example of walking that fine line of how dangerous Starman actually
is.

1289
01:11:59,681 --> 01:12:02,853
Like there's the the note is in the bathroom.

1290
01:12:02,853 --> 01:12:05,234
He keeps wandering in there.

1291
01:12:05,395 --> 01:12:13,440
Not because he's searching for the note, but just because he's curious and you you don't
know.

1292
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,141
Can he actually read it?

1293
01:12:15,141 --> 01:12:17,383
Like, does he connect the to Jenny?

1294
01:12:17,383 --> 01:12:20,825
Is he just fascinated by the paper towel dispenser?

1295
01:12:21,126 --> 01:12:22,114
And it's like

1296
01:12:22,114 --> 01:12:31,160
the it it plays a little suspense for this moment of is is he aware of it or is he know
what that is contextually or not?

1297
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:31,660
Yeah.

1298
01:12:31,660 --> 01:12:35,512
And then of course in the end he does take the note and and we we see that.

1299
01:12:35,512 --> 01:12:47,970
And that's when Jenny reaches that tipping point you wanna know what kidnapped is being
dragged out of your house in the middle of the night by some whatever you are.

1300
01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:55,002
Being forced to drive all night with a gun pointed in your side and not knowing where
you're going or what's gonna happen to you when you get there.

1301
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:58,649
So if you're gonna shoot me, go ahead.

1302
01:13:01,066 --> 01:13:04,086
I'd rather be shot than go on being scared to death.

1303
01:13:10,414 --> 01:13:11,544
Yeah.

1304
01:13:28,312 --> 01:13:29,452
Jenny Hidden.

1305
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:42,795
And there's something so in the oddness of Jeff Bridges' performance that is absolutely
convincing when he makes that statement.

1306
01:13:42,795 --> 01:13:49,179
And it's a great callback line from when he was watching some of that home movie of her, I
believe.

1307
01:13:49,179 --> 01:13:52,600
And I I forget if it's a raccoon or something in a couple Yeah.

1308
01:13:52,661 --> 01:13:55,516
And she's, you know, saying, you don't need to be afraid.

1309
01:13:55,516 --> 01:13:56,764
I mean you no harm.

1310
01:13:56,764 --> 01:14:00,090
Uh so it's a nice little moment of him.

1311
01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:05,950
He uh which, you know, I think was important for him to see because while she was waving
the gun around.

1312
01:14:06,286 --> 01:14:14,343
Um, I think he clearly, you know, when he was in that room, then looks over to her and
she's asleep, he's at that point thinks she's no threat.

1313
01:14:14,343 --> 01:14:14,894
Right.

1314
01:14:14,894 --> 01:14:16,685
But um to him at least.

1315
01:14:16,685 --> 01:14:22,200
But it's it's so nice that it's this is the first real moment of he learned from her
correctly.

1316
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:22,981
Right.

1317
01:14:22,981 --> 01:14:23,562
Right.

1318
01:14:23,562 --> 01:14:28,116
And and this is like a turning point because the next time we see them, he's driving.

1319
01:14:28,116 --> 01:14:30,658
Yeah, we're building some trust here, little by little.

1320
01:14:30,658 --> 01:14:31,188
Yeah.

1321
01:14:31,188 --> 01:14:33,270
By degrees, by degrees.

1322
01:14:33,832 --> 01:14:39,082
Um, he turns on the radio, he starts singing New York, New York after hearing it on the
radio.

1323
01:14:39,082 --> 01:14:42,165
I I always find it so odd about that song.

1324
01:14:42,165 --> 01:14:48,787
You'd think it goes back to like the forties or fifties, like most of Sinatra's catalog,
but it's from nineteen eighty.

1325
01:14:48,797 --> 01:14:49,177
Yeah.

1326
01:14:49,177 --> 01:14:50,997
It's not even Sinatra's song.

1327
01:14:50,997 --> 01:14:56,199
It was written for the Scorsese movie in seventy seven, and then Sinatra covered it in
seventy nine.

1328
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:56,889
You're right.

1329
01:14:56,889 --> 01:14:59,264
I'd I'd never thought about it like that, but

1330
01:14:59,264 --> 01:14:59,664
Yeah.

1331
01:14:59,664 --> 01:15:01,395
It feels like it should be older.

1332
01:15:01,395 --> 01:15:02,355
It's so strange.

1333
01:15:02,355 --> 01:15:07,896
And it it that's so like I mean I again I was born just around that time, so it's like, it
was always there.

1334
01:15:07,896 --> 01:15:15,397
But it's like the rest of Sinatra's songs, it's like, this must go back to, you know, the
Capitol Records era, but it does not.

1335
01:15:15,397 --> 01:15:21,580
They nearly collide with a truck after he speeds up heading into an intersection after
seeing a yellow light.

1336
01:15:21,580 --> 01:15:24,957
And that is also learning from her, but maybe not as good.

1337
01:15:24,957 --> 01:15:28,738
You know, red light stop, green light go, yellow light.

1338
01:15:28,738 --> 01:15:30,619
Go very fast.

1339
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:41,748
It's it's so good because it's it is those those things that we kind of do and and then it
it isn't unless it goes wrong that then you chastise someone.

1340
01:15:41,748 --> 01:15:42,849
Why didn't you stop?

1341
01:15:42,849 --> 01:15:44,060
Why didn't you do well?

1342
01:15:44,060 --> 01:15:51,275
I mean, how many times do people, yeah, run a yellow light, do a rolling stop, add a stop
sign?

1343
01:15:51,275 --> 01:15:55,388
People do it all the time and get away with it a lot.

1344
01:15:55,494 --> 01:16:00,056
I I did a rolling stop on a stop sign when I was taking my driver's test.

1345
01:16:00,076 --> 01:16:01,977
I failed that driver's test.

1346
01:16:01,977 --> 01:16:02,767
Yeah.

1347
01:16:02,767 --> 01:16:04,258
It's against the rules.

1348
01:16:04,418 --> 01:16:05,106
It's against the rules.

1349
01:16:05,106 --> 01:16:06,789
And it's not safe, but it's real.

1350
01:16:06,789 --> 01:16:08,500
Cause it it's it's funny.

1351
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:10,461
Cause you need to know how to break it.

1352
01:16:10,461 --> 01:16:12,102
You need to know how to break the rule.

1353
01:16:12,102 --> 01:16:14,243
He was too far from the light.

1354
01:16:14,243 --> 01:16:15,403
Exactly.

1355
01:16:16,104 --> 01:16:21,816
So Sherman and we have again, we're continually cutting away to Sherman and Fox, and they
have

1356
01:16:21,816 --> 01:16:26,247
They have this debate on the nature of the alien that they're chasing.

1357
01:16:26,247 --> 01:16:28,008
We have the following givens.

1358
01:16:29,468 --> 01:16:32,309
That man, Scott Hayden, died last April.

1359
01:16:32,309 --> 01:16:33,280
He's dead and buried.

1360
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,490
That's verified.

1361
01:16:34,490 --> 01:16:40,172
He has no brothers, no no look-alike cousins, but still this morning at approximately six
o'clock, all right.

1362
01:16:40,172 --> 01:16:42,052
We have been through all of that.

1363
01:16:42,452 --> 01:16:45,093
I'm gonna ask you now, how could it happen?

1364
01:16:45,413 --> 01:16:48,172
We think it might be some kind of a cloning deal.

1365
01:16:48,172 --> 01:16:51,124
Replication of an entire organism from a single cell.

1366
01:16:51,124 --> 01:16:53,485
We found some hairs from Scott Hayden's head.

1367
01:16:53,485 --> 01:16:54,826
But is that possible?

1368
01:16:54,826 --> 01:16:58,708
I mean, can you clone a living organism from the hair of a dead man?

1369
01:16:58,789 --> 01:17:06,313
Well, human hair consists of keratinized cells, although I suppose in order to determine
whether replication was possible, you'd have to I asked you a question.

1370
01:17:06,694 --> 01:17:07,914
You mean us?

1371
01:17:08,015 --> 01:17:09,595
In our present state of technology?

1372
01:17:09,595 --> 01:17:10,496
Yes.

1373
01:17:11,096 --> 01:17:11,537
No.

1374
01:17:11,537 --> 01:17:13,758
Well, what the hell are we talking about?

1375
01:17:13,848 --> 01:17:18,664
We're hypothesizing a technology that's probably a hundred thousand years ahead of us.

1376
01:17:18,664 --> 01:17:19,795
We're the ancients, Mr.

1377
01:17:19,795 --> 01:17:20,725
Fox.

1378
01:17:22,188 --> 01:17:23,129
Ancients?

1379
01:17:23,129 --> 01:17:25,031
Technologically, yes.

1380
01:17:25,031 --> 01:17:26,512
We've just started.

1381
01:17:27,258 --> 01:17:29,727
Yeah, but even if you're right, I still have problems.

1382
01:17:29,727 --> 01:17:31,819
I mean, his knowledge of English.

1383
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,161
Okay, listen to this.

1384
01:17:36,786 --> 01:17:38,888
I helped put this package together, you know.

1385
01:17:39,088 --> 01:17:44,212
This was designed so that an intelligent species could get a working knowledge of English.

1386
01:17:44,212 --> 01:17:49,256
Enough to get by, anyhow, a couple hundred-word vocabulary, a rough idea of syntax.

1387
01:17:49,277 --> 01:17:52,899
Think of what it would mean to talk to a being from a civilization like that.

1388
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,100
Think of what we could learn.

1389
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:55,612
I sent greetings.

1390
01:17:55,612 --> 01:17:56,522
Greetings there.

1391
01:17:56,522 --> 01:17:59,905
See, that's what he said to Heinmueller out on the road.

1392
01:18:06,380 --> 01:18:10,673
It was also what the cannibal said to the missionary just before he ate him.

1393
01:18:11,114 --> 01:18:16,498
Now well the question in this case is who is the missionary and who are the cannibals?

1394
01:18:16,498 --> 01:18:28,909
What I think is so interesting about that is if you look in the historical context, like
Fox is clearly saying that as the missionary is the victim in that context, the cannibal

1395
01:18:28,909 --> 01:18:29,729
is gonna eat him.

1396
01:18:29,729 --> 01:18:35,404
But historically, a lot more cannibals were killed by missionaries, directly or
indirectly.

1397
01:18:35,404 --> 01:18:36,735
Then the reverse.

1398
01:18:36,735 --> 01:18:37,435
Yes.

1399
01:18:37,435 --> 01:18:45,928
Like it's it's this whole thing of what happens when a more technologically advanced
culture encounters a less technologically advanced culture.

1400
01:18:45,928 --> 01:18:56,213
I think it's also kind of speaks to it's like people who um who cheat on their partner and
then they're they're always accusing their partner of cheating.

1401
01:18:56,213 --> 01:18:57,203
Right.

1402
01:18:57,203 --> 01:19:03,456
Even when there's no evidence, but it's their own, it's their own maybe guilt or knowledge
of.

1403
01:19:03,456 --> 01:19:10,169
Of the th what they get up to behind someone's back that then makes them suspicious of
everyone else doing the same thing to them.

1404
01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:17,854
And so, you know, Fox, this national security guy, it's like everything's a threat.

1405
01:19:17,854 --> 01:19:18,774
Yeah.

1406
01:19:19,195 --> 01:19:23,848
Everything is aggressive because that's his worldview and his stance.

1407
01:19:23,848 --> 01:19:26,149
And he would shoot first and ask questions later.

1408
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:31,840
So he just assumes that intent on the part of anything else he comes into contact with.

1409
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:32,781
One hundred percent.

1410
01:19:32,781 --> 01:19:43,059
I mean it's that i I mean, I don't need to say I don't need to say it, but like, you know,
this whole thing of accusing the other side of what you yourself are guilty of.

1411
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:48,324
I mean, it's like, you know, saying the other side cheated in an election and you in fact
are a cheat yourself.

1412
01:19:48,324 --> 01:19:50,886
I mean, I'm not talking about anything specific.

1413
01:19:50,886 --> 01:19:52,707
No, just throwing it out there.

1414
01:19:52,707 --> 01:19:55,049
I'm just making a general statement.

1415
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:57,100
Just say it.

1416
01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:57,550
Yeah.

1417
01:19:57,550 --> 01:20:08,183
So the the starman explains that that he has to be at this particular location, the
Berenger Crater in Arizona, which is a real place at noon in three days, or his people are

1418
01:20:08,183 --> 01:20:10,074
gonna leave the solar system without him.

1419
01:20:10,074 --> 01:20:12,175
And if that happens, he'll die.

1420
01:20:12,175 --> 01:20:23,318
And what I think is interesting is you're blending plot elements that are reminiscent of
both close encounters, having to get to a specific landmark somewhere in America at a

1421
01:20:23,318 --> 01:20:24,778
certain time.

1422
01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:26,035
And E.T.

1423
01:20:26,035 --> 01:20:29,466
in that if the alien stays, he'll ultimately die.

1424
01:20:29,466 --> 01:20:30,287
No, definitely.

1425
01:20:30,287 --> 01:20:34,439
And by this point, we're endeared to Starman Scott.

1426
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:35,240
Yes.

1427
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,661
So we want him to make it to Winslow.

1428
01:20:37,661 --> 01:20:38,722
Absolutely.

1429
01:20:38,722 --> 01:20:43,604
And the other thing that is a, you know, analog with E.T.

1430
01:20:43,604 --> 01:20:54,656
is that although we're rooting for him to get home, that will be bittersweet because it is
going to tear apart h him and his human friend.

1431
01:20:54,656 --> 01:20:55,286
Yes.

1432
01:20:55,286 --> 01:21:00,488
Just like Nuki, as Justin would say.

1433
01:21:01,129 --> 01:21:02,389
Miko.

1434
01:21:02,389 --> 01:21:06,001
We'll we'll never get past Mo Nuki and Miko on this podcast.

1435
01:21:06,001 --> 01:21:06,901
I just know it.

1436
01:21:06,901 --> 01:21:09,832
It'll it will be coming back forever.

1437
01:21:10,932 --> 01:21:13,024
they eventually stop at a truck stop diner.

1438
01:21:13,024 --> 01:21:17,756
Th there's a lot of diners in this movie and a lot of explosions, and I'm here for both of
those things.

1439
01:21:17,756 --> 01:21:19,787
A truck stop, bus stop diner.

1440
01:21:19,787 --> 01:21:21,097
Truck stop, bus stop, diner.

1441
01:21:21,097 --> 01:21:21,988
I love diners.

1442
01:21:21,988 --> 01:21:22,880
Absolutely.

1443
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:30,672
So it's it's they're they go to this truck stop diner, and um, you know, she is still
intending to leave him.

1444
01:21:30,832 --> 01:21:35,014
She's she's evolved in her attitude enough that she's not gonna run away.

1445
01:21:35,014 --> 01:21:45,677
She wants to see him get to where he needs to get to, but she's kind of planning to kind
of make her exit, but leave him with things so he will be able to get there.

1446
01:21:45,677 --> 01:21:50,118
And it's a really interesting her evolution is really, really interesting.

1447
01:21:50,346 --> 01:21:52,877
And she's like talking to him about here's where you gotta go.

1448
01:21:52,877 --> 01:21:55,648
And she's he's she's like, why would I need to know this?

1449
01:21:55,648 --> 01:21:58,808
And and she's like, well, you know, in case something would happen to me.

1450
01:21:58,908 --> 01:22:10,171
But while Jenny is is is focused on the task at hand, Starman is focused on the dead deer
on this hunter's truck out in the parking lot.

1451
01:22:10,612 --> 01:22:14,083
And this is gonna be one of the more memorable scenes of this movie.

1452
01:22:14,083 --> 01:22:15,293
This is really something.

1453
01:22:15,293 --> 01:22:19,534
Um I wanna point out that the hunter who they encounter when they're walking in.

1454
01:22:19,534 --> 01:22:25,988
Played by Ted White, who played Jason in Friday the thirteenth, the final chapter, which
came out the same year.

1455
01:22:25,988 --> 01:22:26,538
Yeah.

1456
01:22:26,538 --> 01:22:27,308
Big guy.

1457
01:22:27,308 --> 01:22:28,399
Big guy.

1458
01:22:28,399 --> 01:22:29,119
Big guy.

1459
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:33,242
Lots of stunts for Carpenter also throughout a bunch of movies.

1460
01:22:33,242 --> 01:22:35,223
He's one of his regular dudes.

1461
01:22:35,223 --> 01:22:38,505
And and there's a really great scene in the diner with with Jenny and still.

1462
01:22:38,505 --> 01:22:41,326
They have a they have a conversation about the nature of love.

1463
01:22:41,326 --> 01:22:44,167
It's really sweet and really heartfelt.

1464
01:22:44,488 --> 01:22:48,514
And I love how she shows him this picture of her late husband.

1465
01:22:48,514 --> 01:22:58,019
And there's amazing little bit of acting by Jeff Bridges where he looks at the picture and
he immediately starts refining his imitation of the guy's expressions.

1466
01:22:58,019 --> 01:22:59,980
Like he had seen him in the home movies.

1467
01:22:59,980 --> 01:23:04,023
He looks at the picture and he starts like he just changes his smile a little bit.

1468
01:23:04,023 --> 01:23:05,543
It's really, really great.

1469
01:23:05,543 --> 01:23:10,226
And I like how he's just he's completely preoccupied with the deer outside.

1470
01:23:10,226 --> 01:23:10,826
Yeah.

1471
01:23:10,826 --> 01:23:15,959
This is the scene that I mentioned earlier that over the years, even though I only saw it
once, this has always stuck with me.

1472
01:23:15,959 --> 01:23:17,662
I had a feeling that was the scene you were talking about.

1473
01:23:17,662 --> 01:23:19,002
I love it.

1474
01:23:19,002 --> 01:23:24,764
I feel a real associ I have a close association for some reason with deer all my life.

1475
01:23:24,764 --> 01:23:27,955
And they're kind of always around me wherever I am.

1476
01:23:27,955 --> 01:23:28,355
Yeah.

1477
01:23:28,355 --> 01:23:31,946
It's the same with my home here when I go up in the mountains, wherever.

1478
01:23:31,986 --> 01:23:41,629
And I just love the sweetness of the purity and the sweetness of this, where he's
recognizing this wounded thing.

1479
01:23:41,629 --> 01:23:43,789
And yeah, there's this other love stuff.

1480
01:23:43,789 --> 01:23:46,910
Yeah, we're I'm about to learn about pie, but.

1481
01:23:47,060 --> 01:23:48,471
Dutch apple pie.

1482
01:23:48,471 --> 01:23:48,911
Yes.

1483
01:23:48,911 --> 01:23:53,196
This this thing out there is hurting and he just can't handle it.

1484
01:23:53,196 --> 01:23:56,078
And you can just tell how drawn he is.

1485
01:23:56,179 --> 01:23:59,061
I think it's I it's my favorite scene in the movie.

1486
01:23:59,061 --> 01:23:59,862
It's a wonderful scene.

1487
01:23:59,862 --> 01:24:01,083
Outside of when they say goodbye.

1488
01:24:01,083 --> 01:24:01,670
It's a wonderful screen.

1489
01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:02,654
It's really meaningful.

1490
01:24:02,654 --> 01:24:13,454
It's if if there's someone out there with a heart of stone who was not sold on this
character, did not feel for him before.

1491
01:24:13,566 --> 01:24:14,636
This is the moment.

1492
01:24:14,636 --> 01:24:31,724
If you don't feel this, yeah, if you don't if this does not endear you to a character, his
um how much he values life, all life, his gentleness, his feeling that he can he can write

1493
01:24:31,724 --> 01:24:39,367
this wrong in a very quiet way, just because just because this deer should be alive.

1494
01:24:39,367 --> 01:24:40,437
Yeah.

1495
01:24:40,437 --> 01:24:42,828
And as he is racing to

1496
01:24:43,062 --> 01:24:44,103
not die.

1497
01:24:44,103 --> 01:24:44,503
Yes.

1498
01:24:44,503 --> 01:24:53,108
And knows he's decaying by the day, he's still making sure that everything's that people
around that everything around him that's living is safe.

1499
01:24:53,108 --> 01:24:53,649
Yeah.

1500
01:24:53,649 --> 01:24:54,629
Ultimately.

1501
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:55,730
You know what it's like?

1502
01:24:55,730 --> 01:25:05,216
It's like the scene in The Fugitive where Harrison Ford's character, he's he's at a
hospital because he's investigating the one-armed man and his prosthetic arm.

1503
01:25:05,216 --> 01:25:09,164
And he takes the time to look at and change

1504
01:25:09,164 --> 01:25:17,407
the kid's chart because he's a doctor and he knows the chart is wrong and he takes this
time to to save the kid and get him where he needs to go to get treated.

1505
01:25:17,407 --> 01:25:21,559
And it almost risks his his cover being blown.

1506
01:25:21,559 --> 01:25:24,520
But he he just you know he takes that time to do that.

1507
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,562
This is is a very similar kind of circumstance.

1508
01:25:27,562 --> 01:25:29,182
No good pull.

1509
01:25:29,522 --> 01:25:38,380
And uh if if ET was a vegetarian worried about the plant life, uh Starman is after the
animal life, but what

1510
01:25:38,380 --> 01:25:49,015
What I love about this part of the movie is then the the second half after he you know
unalives or un undeads.

1511
01:25:49,015 --> 01:25:50,025
Undead, excuse me.

1512
01:25:50,025 --> 01:25:50,295
Yeah.

1513
01:25:50,295 --> 01:25:50,892
Undeads.

1514
01:25:50,892 --> 01:25:52,866
Well, I hope that deer isn't undead.

1515
01:25:52,866 --> 01:25:55,257
I hope it's genuinely alive.

1516
01:25:55,257 --> 01:25:59,329
It's not gonna have to suck the blood of other deer to continue going on.

1517
01:25:59,329 --> 01:26:00,700
It's a revenant deer.

1518
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:02,040
I've ruined the movie.

1519
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:02,421
my god.

1520
01:26:02,421 --> 01:26:06,002
We don't know what his powers actually are.

1521
01:26:06,394 --> 01:26:08,005
I always root for the vampires.

1522
01:26:08,005 --> 01:26:09,456
So that changes nothing for me.

1523
01:26:09,456 --> 01:26:10,937
Good.

1524
01:26:11,397 --> 01:26:24,374
But what I love is that his his empathy and wanting uh, you know, a level of peace and
wanting to heal this this creature, he does not see and is not prepared for the human

1525
01:26:24,374 --> 01:26:28,187
violence that it comes in the wake of having saved something.

1526
01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:29,027
Yeah.

1527
01:26:29,027 --> 01:26:33,762
And that he actually needs her because she does know.

1528
01:26:33,762 --> 01:26:34,532
Yeah.

1529
01:26:34,730 --> 01:26:43,050
And it's kind of an interesting, you know, he's not unaware that he's in danger.

1530
01:26:43,050 --> 01:26:47,301
I mean, his first report home is that this is a hostile planet, right?

1531
01:26:47,301 --> 01:26:49,382
He got shot out of the sky.

1532
01:26:49,523 --> 01:27:02,674
But I still think that it's not ingrained in him in a way that, you know, he still needs,
in some ways, her as his protector, um, because she knows things that he just does not.

1533
01:27:02,674 --> 01:27:03,104
Yeah.

1534
01:27:03,104 --> 01:27:04,094
Yeah, no good point.

1535
01:27:04,094 --> 01:27:05,195
Absolutely.

1536
01:27:05,195 --> 01:27:06,175
Absolutely.

1537
01:27:06,175 --> 01:27:09,337
And and it I mean, this is the turning point for her.

1538
01:27:09,337 --> 01:27:17,600
And this this this this scene falls almost at the the midpoint of the movie where she now
totally commits to staying with him.

1539
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:23,042
The gun she pointed at him when she first met him is now the gun she uses to save his ass.

1540
01:27:23,042 --> 01:27:23,623
Yes.

1541
01:27:23,623 --> 01:27:24,383
Yeah.

1542
01:27:24,383 --> 01:27:27,384
And I it's also the moment that I realize that like E.

1543
01:27:27,384 --> 01:27:31,436
T., this movie is also a New Testament story.

1544
01:27:31,436 --> 01:27:32,150
yeah.

1545
01:27:32,150 --> 01:27:34,662
I mean, you know, he's he's bringing things back to life.

1546
01:27:34,662 --> 01:27:39,255
I'm just saying the man from the sky is bringing things back to life.

1547
01:27:39,255 --> 01:27:40,366
No, that's a good point.

1548
01:27:40,366 --> 01:27:52,115
Well, and and every this is one of my favorite things, and we'll get more into it, I'm
sure, as we go along, but everywhere he goes, the people that he encounters, people kind

1549
01:27:52,115 --> 01:27:57,639
of I wouldn't say follow him necessarily, but people come to his aid.

1550
01:27:57,639 --> 01:27:58,550
Yeah.

1551
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:59,434
People

1552
01:27:59,434 --> 01:28:00,945
Who get asked by the cops.

1553
01:28:00,945 --> 01:28:04,057
Like the waitress is like, no, they were they were cool.

1554
01:28:04,057 --> 01:28:05,128
Like it was fine.

1555
01:28:05,128 --> 01:28:06,289
The waitress is great.

1556
01:28:06,289 --> 01:28:06,689
Yeah.

1557
01:28:06,689 --> 01:28:11,172
You know, so it's like everywhere he goes, he touches the people that he meets.

1558
01:28:11,172 --> 01:28:11,572
Yeah.

1559
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:16,105
There's a lot of people who he just kind of help him along the way.

1560
01:28:16,234 --> 01:28:20,469
He he engenders that kind of empathy.

1561
01:28:20,469 --> 01:28:24,411
And maybe it's because he is a uh a being of empathy himself.

1562
01:28:24,411 --> 01:28:28,598
And somehow there's an unconscious, unless you're a full on jerk, like.

1563
01:28:28,598 --> 01:28:32,940
Like the hunter character, y there's that that kind of innate connection.

1564
01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:33,621
Yeah.

1565
01:28:33,621 --> 01:28:43,967
I also want to men when they pull out from the the the truck stop, uh bus stop diner,
something I noticed that Justin, you mentioned when we were talking about big trouble in

1566
01:28:43,967 --> 01:28:45,307
little China.

1567
01:28:45,328 --> 01:28:48,629
And and once I saw it, I couldn't not notice it.

1568
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:50,350
Wet streets.

1569
01:28:50,350 --> 01:28:51,371
Wet streets.

1570
01:28:51,371 --> 01:28:52,021
Yes.

1571
01:28:52,021 --> 01:28:56,928
Which which are gonna come into the most the the most egregious use.

1572
01:28:56,928 --> 01:29:01,661
Of the carpenter moist street is later on when they go to Vegas.

1573
01:29:01,811 --> 01:29:02,302
yes.

1574
01:29:02,302 --> 01:29:03,983
Yes, absolutely.

1575
01:29:04,243 --> 01:29:08,726
People in if it rained in Vegas, I think people would think that it was end times.

1576
01:29:08,726 --> 01:29:08,917
yeah.

1577
01:29:08,917 --> 01:29:10,788
It would be the people, everybody would be inside.

1578
01:29:10,788 --> 01:29:13,580
They wouldn't be walking around downtown on Fremont Street.

1579
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:15,491
Very dry place.

1580
01:29:15,491 --> 01:29:15,972
Yeah.

1581
01:29:15,972 --> 01:29:25,300
But this I this setting right here, this bus stop, whatever it is, that the look of it
with the neon.

1582
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:31,973
All above all the letters above the buildings, and they're kind of surrounded by buildings
and this alcove kind of thing off the road.

1583
01:29:32,093 --> 01:29:35,194
I love the neon drenching everything.

1584
01:29:35,294 --> 01:29:36,775
And the sun is setting.

1585
01:29:36,775 --> 01:29:38,596
It's like dusk when we first get there.

1586
01:29:38,596 --> 01:29:39,196
Yeah.

1587
01:29:39,196 --> 01:29:41,336
It is such a beautiful setting.

1588
01:29:41,336 --> 01:29:49,230
And that's one of the things, one of them that I was thinking of earlier when I said their
location choices here are just fantastic.

1589
01:29:49,230 --> 01:29:49,560
Yeah.

1590
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,420
Throughout this movie, but this one in particular is one of my absolute favorites.

1591
01:29:53,420 --> 01:29:56,511
So yeah, wet down that road and let's run into a bus.

1592
01:29:57,973 --> 01:29:58,533
Yeah.

1593
01:29:58,533 --> 01:30:02,615
They they they the the the hunter guy runs into the bus.

1594
01:30:02,615 --> 01:30:10,010
They kind of they leave and they check into a motel where there's like a college football
game celebration going on.

1595
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:11,560
A lot of penance, guys.

1596
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:12,020
Yeah.

1597
01:30:12,020 --> 01:30:20,525
I would have drive right by that motel and I would have that it helps them, but man, I
would be like, I and she's like, give me a room as far away from this.

1598
01:30:20,525 --> 01:30:22,924
But I would have been just like, I'm going to the next motel.

1599
01:30:22,924 --> 01:30:25,255
I can't I can't I can't I can't sleep with these people.

1600
01:30:25,255 --> 01:30:29,696
And yet it is the ne'er do wells who will save them.

1601
01:30:29,776 --> 01:30:30,526
You're right.

1602
01:30:30,526 --> 01:30:31,716
You're right.

1603
01:30:31,716 --> 01:30:34,837
Cause they're being followed by these two cops.

1604
01:30:34,917 --> 01:30:46,070
and I want to mention the two cops are played by Dirk Blocker, who would later play
Hitchcock on Brooklyn Nine Nine, and MC Gainey, who had a recurring role on Lost and would

1605
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:49,277
appear in numerous movies and TV shows over the years.

1606
01:30:49,277 --> 01:30:52,576
Uh Dirk Blocker's dad was on Bonanza.

1607
01:30:52,576 --> 01:30:55,559
Dan Blocker was the middle the middle son on Bonanza.

1608
01:30:55,559 --> 01:30:56,379
Yeah.

1609
01:30:56,379 --> 01:30:56,890
wow.

1610
01:30:56,890 --> 01:30:57,951
Yeah, he was.

1611
01:30:57,951 --> 01:30:59,912
It sounds like a rap duo.

1612
01:31:00,193 --> 01:31:02,044
Duke Blocker, MC gaining.

1613
01:31:02,044 --> 01:31:04,235
It's the MC that does it.

1614
01:31:04,816 --> 01:31:13,844
And they are, they have like they've gotten the report of the the yeah, this this couple
on the run and you know they follow them into the hotel and and uh this is when he he

1615
01:31:13,844 --> 01:31:15,845
watches From Here to Eternity.

1616
01:31:16,126 --> 01:31:21,848
And yeah, they are able to escape because one of the football fans notices, hey

1617
01:31:21,848 --> 01:31:30,414
There's some cop trying to get into your Mustang, and they create distraction by shoving a
soda machine down a flight of stairs.

1618
01:31:30,414 --> 01:31:31,905
And it's like that's a whole thing.

1619
01:31:31,905 --> 01:31:37,989
I love that they come to warn him, like, hey man, these cops they're trying to get into
your vehicle.

1620
01:31:38,009 --> 01:31:41,232
And then yeah, they provide the distraction, vandalism.

1621
01:31:41,232 --> 01:31:42,633
Vandalism, indeed.

1622
01:31:42,633 --> 01:31:50,318
But before we move on, I just gotta say, so after watching that scene of the movie.

1623
01:31:50,902 --> 01:31:59,174
We get Starman Scott is very dangerously close to getting physical with Jenny while she's
asleep.

1624
01:31:59,174 --> 01:31:59,865
Well, she's asleep.

1625
01:31:59,865 --> 01:32:00,655
He doesn't know.

1626
01:32:00,655 --> 01:32:02,665
I mean it's it's He doesn't know.

1627
01:32:02,665 --> 01:32:05,786
And this is what you were talking about earlier, that fine line, right?

1628
01:32:05,786 --> 01:32:14,459
In another movie or with a different actor, or if this were an Adrian Lyne movie, you'd be
like, you'd be like, this guy is a creep.

1629
01:32:14,459 --> 01:32:15,209
Yes.

1630
01:32:15,209 --> 01:32:18,930
This is about to get real gross.

1631
01:32:18,930 --> 01:32:19,870
Yes.

1632
01:32:19,992 --> 01:32:27,435
Cause she's just asleep, but he wants to imitate what he saw, the scene from here, the
scene we that is always on from weird to eternity.

1633
01:32:27,435 --> 01:32:30,547
Yes, just curiosity, innocent.

1634
01:32:30,547 --> 01:32:42,302
And I love that because of the tone of this film, the way it's written, the way it it's
performed by these actors, I don't I don't in that moment feel like, God, gross.

1635
01:32:42,302 --> 01:32:44,053
Wake up, wake up, it's bad.

1636
01:32:44,053 --> 01:32:45,193
Like you don't feel that.

1637
01:32:45,193 --> 01:32:46,928
It's like, it's like,

1638
01:32:47,448 --> 01:32:48,649
He doesn't know any better.

1639
01:32:48,649 --> 01:32:49,649
He should stop that.

1640
01:32:49,649 --> 01:32:50,280
And he does.

1641
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:50,919
He retreats.

1642
01:32:50,919 --> 01:32:51,430
And he does.

1643
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:52,001
Yeah.

1644
01:32:52,001 --> 01:32:53,241
You know, that's a great point.

1645
01:32:53,241 --> 01:32:53,521
Yeah.

1646
01:32:53,521 --> 01:32:53,862
Yeah.

1647
01:32:53,862 --> 01:33:02,487
I want to peek in through the dimensional portal to the universe where Adrian Ly directed
this movie because um it's gonna be something.

1648
01:33:02,487 --> 01:33:03,837
It's gonna be really something.

1649
01:33:03,837 --> 01:33:04,228
Yeah.

1650
01:33:04,228 --> 01:33:14,994
It's funny how at first blush one might not think of Carpenter as the guy to get that
balance right, just from like, he's a horror movie guy, blah, blah, blah.

1651
01:33:14,994 --> 01:33:15,640
But

1652
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:23,636
He's the guy who made Halloween, and it's not really about you know, uh, there is male
gaze in it, but obviously it's right.

1653
01:33:23,636 --> 01:33:24,896
There's a big comment on that.

1654
01:33:24,896 --> 01:33:25,157
Right.

1655
01:33:25,157 --> 01:33:29,780
But it is not, it is not a sexually ogling movie.

1656
01:33:29,780 --> 01:33:37,045
Um, you know, all of the like sex equals death stuff comes in other different movies, even
though there's sex in that movie, etc.

1657
01:33:37,045 --> 01:33:41,788
What you're trying to say, Rob, is that there's a lot of daylight between Halloween and
the burning.

1658
01:33:41,788 --> 01:33:42,649
Exactly.

1659
01:33:42,649 --> 01:33:42,999
Yeah.

1660
01:33:42,999 --> 01:33:44,770
And and that the and you know.

1661
01:33:44,770 --> 01:33:56,053
To have worked in a more ex you know, exploitation genre and to have not gone down that
road, yeah, it all of a sudden makes a lot more sense that actually he does he has a a

1662
01:33:56,053 --> 01:33:59,434
touch to be able to handle this kind of thing and and do what he wants to with it.

1663
01:33:59,434 --> 01:34:01,665
Yeah, I honestly, and and he wanted to do this.

1664
01:34:01,665 --> 01:34:08,797
When he was offered this movie by Columbia, he was eager to do it because it was the
opportunity an opportunity to do something that was non-horror.

1665
01:34:08,797 --> 01:34:10,017
And it's wonderful.

1666
01:34:10,017 --> 01:34:12,958
And I kind of wish we had more.

1667
01:34:13,324 --> 01:34:18,714
I wish we had more Carpenter movies like this because he handles these moments so
beautifully.

1668
01:34:18,714 --> 01:34:23,162
You know, I know that, you know, he had, you know, the studio, you know, friction with
studios.

1669
01:34:23,162 --> 01:34:29,126
It seems like this was the one studio picture he did where it just seemed like relatively
smooth sailing.

1670
01:34:29,247 --> 01:34:32,009
And I I kind of wish there were more of those.

1671
01:34:32,009 --> 01:34:43,064
You know what this movie reminded me of, not just in in feel, of it being of sorts the
romantic outlier in a director's career is uh always.

1672
01:34:43,064 --> 01:34:47,157
Which has been coming up a lot for me lately, and I I must re-watch it.

1673
01:34:47,157 --> 01:34:47,918
I gotta watch it again.

1674
01:34:47,918 --> 01:34:49,514
I haven't seen it in years.

1675
01:34:49,514 --> 01:34:54,462
Yeah, I mean, I again, I probably also haven't seen that since the eighties.

1676
01:34:54,462 --> 01:34:57,885
Um, maybe ninety because it came out later, but yeah, it was eighty eighty nine.

1677
01:34:57,885 --> 01:35:06,261
But in any event, another kind of uh, you know, less trumpeted in a historic director's,
you know, oeuvre.

1678
01:35:06,261 --> 01:35:07,572
Yeah, etc.

1679
01:35:07,572 --> 01:35:10,562
And but like a a very small personal.

1680
01:35:10,562 --> 01:35:11,452
you know, kind of movie.

1681
01:35:11,452 --> 01:35:14,153
And it it's sounds weird to say that about Starman, but this is.

1682
01:35:14,153 --> 01:35:19,365
It's like a small, very personal uh movie just about, you know, human emotions.

1683
01:35:19,365 --> 01:35:20,065
Yeah.

1684
01:35:20,065 --> 01:35:29,988
With a shocking amount of explosions for it, because they they get into a a chase with the
with the with the cops and the the Jenny gets shot.

1685
01:35:29,988 --> 01:35:33,709
I actually stopped and said, holy shit when that happened.

1686
01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:39,350
And then the Mustang drives straight into this overturned taker truck and just

1687
01:35:39,424 --> 01:35:41,635
It's huge explosion.

1688
01:35:41,635 --> 01:35:44,265
It's like it's i it's holy shit.

1689
01:35:44,265 --> 01:35:51,206
And then, you know, but thanks to the little blue marble that he had smuggled wherever he
had them smuggled, they survived that fire.

1690
01:35:51,206 --> 01:35:52,458
Well, he has clothes now.

1691
01:35:52,458 --> 01:35:53,318
He has clothes now.

1692
01:35:53,318 --> 01:35:54,138
There's pockets.

1693
01:35:54,138 --> 01:35:55,239
Now he's got pockets.

1694
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:56,049
Now it's fine.

1695
01:35:56,049 --> 01:35:59,560
But you know, he's like he walks out of the fire, he's carrying her.

1696
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:03,241
It's like there's this kind of bluish force field around them.

1697
01:36:03,621 --> 01:36:06,016
it's it's a very cool scene, but like.

1698
01:36:06,016 --> 01:36:12,362
It's amazing how many explosions this movie has for a movie that is not overtly violent.

1699
01:36:12,362 --> 01:36:14,630
It's you know, it's it's kind of love it.

1700
01:36:14,630 --> 01:36:17,066
I'm like, explosions and diners, bring them on.

1701
01:36:17,066 --> 01:36:17,877
Yeah.

1702
01:36:17,877 --> 01:36:22,881
They hide out in this prefab house that is on a tractor trailer.

1703
01:36:23,122 --> 01:36:29,768
And and Starman, you know, again, this is another another uh, you know, kind of similarity
to ET.

1704
01:36:29,768 --> 01:36:32,020
Starman is gonna heal Jenny.

1705
01:36:32,514 --> 01:36:34,276
whereas where now where E.

1706
01:36:34,276 --> 01:36:40,462
T had a glowing finger for healing, Starman has a glowing fist.

1707
01:36:40,462 --> 01:36:41,834
His red right hand.

1708
01:36:41,834 --> 01:36:42,854
Yeah.

1709
01:36:47,810 --> 01:36:48,451
Nice.

1710
01:36:48,451 --> 01:36:50,862
Oh, and then and and then, you know, then he leaves.

1711
01:36:50,862 --> 01:36:54,133
Then sh Jenny wakes up sometime later and he's gone.

1712
01:36:54,133 --> 01:37:00,316
And and you know, he's realized that um, you know, something she said earlier, you know,
that you're bad for my health.

1713
01:37:00,316 --> 01:37:04,097
She realizes yeah, he realizes that that's actually true.

1714
01:37:04,177 --> 01:37:06,098
And then it's a great evolution.

1715
01:37:06,098 --> 01:37:09,260
Now she becomes determined to find him.

1716
01:37:09,260 --> 01:37:10,040
I love this.

1717
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:10,680
It's terrific.

1718
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:11,801
It feels natural.

1719
01:37:11,801 --> 01:37:15,030
It doesn't feel forced, it doesn't feel No

1720
01:37:15,154 --> 01:37:16,075
unearned.

1721
01:37:16,075 --> 01:37:17,636
It's like, no, yeah.

1722
01:37:17,636 --> 01:37:23,350
the the the journey they've been on, the things they've been through, what she's witnessed
in him.

1723
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:24,461
Yeah.

1724
01:37:24,461 --> 01:37:25,001
Yeah.

1725
01:37:25,001 --> 01:37:26,262
It's terrific.

1726
01:37:26,262 --> 01:37:30,545
He takes off, he got he gets a ride from like the night cook at this diner.

1727
01:37:30,545 --> 01:37:35,168
Did anyone notice who played the night cook if for that he has a ride with?

1728
01:37:35,168 --> 01:37:36,341
Buckflower.

1729
01:37:36,341 --> 01:37:36,869
Yep.

1730
01:37:36,869 --> 01:37:38,182
George Buckflower.

1731
01:37:38,182 --> 01:37:44,294
I I said as soon as I saw him, I said, That's we're gonna talk about George Buckflower on
the show.

1732
01:37:44,566 --> 01:37:51,300
And I love I love that scene with him in the car where the the Starman is trying to be a
normal guy.

1733
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:53,251
It's so good.

1734
01:37:53,386 --> 01:37:55,012
What'd you line?

1735
01:37:56,133 --> 01:37:56,913
Line?

1736
01:37:56,913 --> 01:37:57,933
Work.

1737
01:37:58,034 --> 01:38:00,095
What do you do when you're not edging rides?

1738
01:38:00,095 --> 01:38:03,337
uh make maps.

1739
01:38:03,337 --> 01:38:04,637
Make any money?

1740
01:38:10,530 --> 01:38:13,435
You don't get rich cooking either, believe me.

1741
01:38:13,897 --> 01:38:17,143
You know, I got girls, she's getting ready to go to college this far.

1742
01:38:17,345 --> 01:38:20,871
Wife had to go back nursing just to help me pay for it here.

1743
01:38:24,556 --> 01:38:26,189
Yeah, my little baby.

1744
01:38:26,189 --> 01:38:27,991
Say she wants to be a doctor.

1745
01:38:27,991 --> 01:38:29,172
I don't know.

1746
01:38:29,553 --> 01:38:32,497
Cause an arm and leg to raise up kids these days.

1747
01:38:35,748 --> 01:38:40,318
Eaters, money, and lots of it.

1748
01:39:02,158 --> 01:39:03,899
oh Smoking.

1749
01:39:03,899 --> 01:39:05,990
Smoke, he tries a cigarette, that doesn't go great.

1750
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:07,620
Packing up a lung.

1751
01:39:07,761 --> 01:39:18,204
And when he repeats something uh after a question, and then the guy just invents the joke
that Starman must have been making is my favorite.

1752
01:39:18,204 --> 01:39:18,645
Yeah.

1753
01:39:18,645 --> 01:39:20,246
Like, what do you do?

1754
01:39:20,246 --> 01:39:21,406
Make maps?

1755
01:39:21,406 --> 01:39:23,888
And then the guy's like, You make any money doing that?

1756
01:39:23,888 --> 01:39:25,238
He's like, I make maps.

1757
01:39:25,238 --> 01:39:28,129
And he goes, Yeah, I don't make money cooking either.

1758
01:39:30,454 --> 01:39:34,595
It reminds me a little bit of the scene in Halloween four that I love with Reverend Sayre.

1759
01:39:34,595 --> 01:39:36,076
in the truck.

1760
01:39:36,236 --> 01:39:36,636
Yeah.

1761
01:39:36,636 --> 01:39:37,726
Yes, absolutely.

1762
01:39:37,726 --> 01:39:38,006
Yeah.

1763
01:39:38,006 --> 01:39:42,758
It's just this it's this fun it's this fun moment in you know, as as along the way.

1764
01:39:42,758 --> 01:39:45,969
And again, I love watching him try to be normal.

1765
01:39:45,969 --> 01:39:47,519
It's so much fun.

1766
01:39:47,519 --> 01:39:54,582
in the meantime, Jenny, she she's like she's trying to find she ends up having a call with
Mark Sherman where she explains that she wasn't kidnapped.

1767
01:39:54,582 --> 01:39:56,542
Which how how

1768
01:39:57,078 --> 01:39:59,249
Yeah, well they they they were tricking her.

1769
01:39:59,249 --> 01:40:07,432
Jenny Five is alive, we get it, but then how does Jenny Five get the number two top secret
NASA whatever in military?

1770
01:40:07,432 --> 01:40:08,042
Right, right.

1771
01:40:08,042 --> 01:40:08,662
Hello?

1772
01:40:08,662 --> 01:40:10,022
Hello?

1773
01:40:10,963 --> 01:40:11,763
It's funny.

1774
01:40:11,763 --> 01:40:13,644
Well, to be fair, he's SETI.

1775
01:40:13,644 --> 01:40:14,864
He's SETI.

1776
01:40:14,864 --> 01:40:17,165
So that might be in the phone book.

1777
01:40:17,165 --> 01:40:17,645
That's true.

1778
01:40:17,645 --> 01:40:18,946
He's not the military guy.

1779
01:40:18,946 --> 01:40:20,088
I'm head canning anyway.

1780
01:40:20,088 --> 01:40:21,218
Canoning things again.

1781
01:40:21,218 --> 01:40:24,540
I'm gonna I'm gonna look in the phone book tomorrow when I, you know, I gotta find a phone
book.

1782
01:40:24,540 --> 01:40:28,061
I don't know if they have, but you know, can Seti's still around, that's a thing.

1783
01:40:28,061 --> 01:40:34,938
But you need to set up that she knows who he is so that later when he when he shows up at
the end.

1784
01:40:34,938 --> 01:40:43,698
Um I just love the the like she's like, you know, she learns that, yeah, he went off in
this direction and you know, she goes to the there's like a whole row of guys sitting at

1785
01:40:43,698 --> 01:40:45,729
the counter and she's like, Can anybody give me a ride?

1786
01:40:45,729 --> 01:40:47,610
And I'm like, That probably won't be a problem.

1787
01:40:47,610 --> 01:40:48,492
And it wasn't.

1788
01:40:48,492 --> 01:40:48,772
Yeah.

1789
01:40:48,772 --> 01:40:50,543
And this mullet guy with a hot rod.

1790
01:40:50,543 --> 01:40:52,285
The hot the fifties hot rod.

1791
01:40:52,285 --> 01:41:00,611
They peel out like it's a Russ Meyer movie as he's driving uh action away from the camera
with his mullet flowing in the wind behind.

1792
01:41:00,611 --> 01:41:01,416
Absolutely.

1793
01:41:01,416 --> 01:41:07,476
That could be like, you know, one of those riot on sunset strip type movies.

1794
01:41:07,476 --> 01:41:07,906
Yeah.

1795
01:41:07,906 --> 01:41:13,150
That this guy would be from And he's wearing the outfit that the dude wears in the love
bug.

1796
01:41:13,150 --> 01:41:15,341
The love bug when they enter the race.

1797
01:41:15,422 --> 01:41:16,242
Yes.

1798
01:41:16,256 --> 01:41:18,478
The El Dorado, the race for the gold.

1799
01:41:18,478 --> 01:41:20,119
Like, what is this?

1800
01:41:20,119 --> 01:41:22,461
This guy's cool though.

1801
01:41:22,461 --> 01:41:23,401
He comes through.

1802
01:41:23,401 --> 01:41:24,132
He does.

1803
01:41:24,132 --> 01:41:28,435
It it's another, it's another case of a person they meet along the way that is helpful.

1804
01:41:28,435 --> 01:41:29,456
Twice he's helpful.

1805
01:41:29,456 --> 01:41:30,586
Twice he's helpful.

1806
01:41:30,586 --> 01:41:38,102
It's interesting to me because we hear a lot about when you watch old movies, the whole
thing wouldn't happen if cell phones existed.

1807
01:41:38,102 --> 01:41:43,734
But this is kind of a reverse bizarro version of you can't make this movie today.

1808
01:41:43,734 --> 01:41:46,085
In a world where hitchhiking doesn't happen.

1809
01:41:46,085 --> 01:41:46,606
Right.

1810
01:41:46,606 --> 01:41:53,860
Like this has to have hitchhiking be an accepted mode of travel, or the whole thing falls
apart.

1811
01:41:53,860 --> 01:41:56,401
It's also a great little screenwriting lesson.

1812
01:41:56,401 --> 01:42:08,108
If you're if your movie is about two people coming together and getting to know one
another over the course of a journey, split them up for a little while, you know, late in

1813
01:42:08,108 --> 01:42:12,294
the movie so the audience can feel the absence of that pair.

1814
01:42:12,294 --> 01:42:13,104
For a while.

1815
01:42:13,104 --> 01:42:13,524
Definitely.

1816
01:42:13,524 --> 01:42:17,277
I mean, it's the sci-fi version of running through the goddamn airport, right?

1817
01:42:17,277 --> 01:42:17,657
Right.

1818
01:42:17,657 --> 01:42:20,506
She's uh it's classic rom-com stuff.

1819
01:42:20,506 --> 01:42:26,582
Well, it's it's it makes there's another one of my favorite road movies is Midnight Run,
which is a movie I could watch every day.

1820
01:42:26,582 --> 01:42:27,952
And it does the same thing.

1821
01:42:27,952 --> 01:42:32,745
Like you're with Robert De Niro and Charles Groden, and they they don't like each other at
first.

1822
01:42:32,745 --> 01:42:34,818
Over time they get to

1823
01:42:34,818 --> 01:42:44,161
to to know each other and and like each other and and then they get, you know, when he
gets captured, they gets it gets split apart and you you feel sort of the loss of the

1824
01:42:44,161 --> 01:42:45,121
pair.

1825
01:42:45,121 --> 01:42:46,481
And and the same thing here.

1826
01:42:46,481 --> 01:42:54,664
It's it's a really it just it's like if that's your story is these two people getting to
know each other, split them up for a while, you know, two thirds of the way through.

1827
01:42:54,664 --> 01:42:57,304
So you can you can feel the loss.

1828
01:42:57,304 --> 01:43:03,454
Like perhaps when the government comes to plastic up your whole suburban house and

1829
01:43:03,454 --> 01:43:05,415
Separate you from your best bud.

1830
01:43:05,415 --> 01:43:09,997
I hope they took the time to fumigate, because if you've tinted that whole house, you
might as well.

1831
01:43:09,997 --> 01:43:12,618
Like this is this is your opportunity.

1832
01:43:12,618 --> 01:43:14,278
The kids were smoking inside.

1833
01:43:14,278 --> 01:43:16,699
It's got smoke.

1834
01:43:16,699 --> 01:43:18,940
And mom didn't mind.

1835
01:43:19,060 --> 01:43:20,201
And there's food on the floor.

1836
01:43:20,201 --> 01:43:22,882
Mom's more upset about them ordering a pizza.

1837
01:43:22,882 --> 01:43:25,263
I mean, people used to smoke everywhere, friends.

1838
01:43:25,263 --> 01:43:26,018
Crazy, yes.

1839
01:43:26,018 --> 01:43:27,409
Yeah, but not children.

1840
01:43:27,409 --> 01:43:28,394
those are days.

1841
01:43:28,394 --> 01:43:29,515
Those were the days.

1842
01:43:29,515 --> 01:43:32,116
It depends on how far back you go, Justin.

1843
01:43:32,116 --> 01:43:33,536
Yeah, I guess that's true.

1844
01:43:33,602 --> 01:43:37,802
I mean you used to be able to go and buy smokes for a parent with a note.

1845
01:43:37,802 --> 01:43:39,482
Yeah, that's Or without.

1846
01:43:39,482 --> 01:43:42,755
Or without like at Denny's, Rob.

1847
01:43:42,755 --> 01:43:45,465
yeah, 'cause the vending machine don't take no note.

1848
01:43:45,465 --> 01:43:46,324
That's right.

1849
01:43:46,324 --> 01:43:48,294
Yeah, that's where we used to get cigarettes.

1850
01:43:48,294 --> 01:43:51,004
We would went to the Denny's and they had a vending machine there.

1851
01:43:51,004 --> 01:43:52,787
You just packed it out.

1852
01:43:52,787 --> 01:43:54,098
the good old days.

1853
01:43:54,098 --> 01:43:55,068
Yeah.

1854
01:43:55,148 --> 01:43:57,048
Those were the days.

1855
01:43:57,829 --> 01:44:00,740
So eventually Jenny finds Starman at this roadblock.

1856
01:44:00,740 --> 01:44:02,370
They have a checkpoint up

1857
01:44:02,370 --> 01:44:04,912
They knew, like I guess, the direction he was going.

1858
01:44:04,912 --> 01:44:11,098
They have a checkpoint up, and and the kid with the hot rod comes through again by
creating a distraction.

1859
01:44:11,098 --> 01:44:13,539
What does he do to create a distraction?

1860
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,753
Another explosion.

1861
01:44:16,753 --> 01:44:17,524
So good.

1862
01:44:17,524 --> 01:44:19,986
Where did he get a barrel of oil?

1863
01:44:19,986 --> 01:44:22,678
I don't know, man, but he puts it to good use.

1864
01:44:22,678 --> 01:44:23,290
I buy it.

1865
01:44:23,290 --> 01:44:23,899
I buy it.

1866
01:44:23,899 --> 01:44:24,690
Absolutely.

1867
01:44:24,690 --> 01:44:26,360
He needed it for his hair, Justin.

1868
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:27,372
It's probably true.

1869
01:44:27,372 --> 01:44:27,612
Yeah.

1870
01:44:27,612 --> 01:44:29,376
uh

1871
01:44:29,376 --> 01:44:35,931
And then they get they get away, and this is the they have a the ride in a in a in a back
of a hitchhike into a back of a pickup truck.

1872
01:44:35,931 --> 01:44:42,696
That this is where we learn that Jenny and her husband wanted to have a baby but were
unable to conceive.

1873
01:44:42,696 --> 01:44:50,201
Now, this is one of those things where from the moment she says that, you know what's
gonna happen.

1874
01:44:50,201 --> 01:44:50,942
Mm-hmm.

1875
01:44:50,942 --> 01:44:55,324
And you think about the moment where she first encountered him where he was a baby.

1876
01:44:55,505 --> 01:44:56,105
yeah.

1877
01:44:56,105 --> 01:44:56,925
that's

1878
01:44:57,634 --> 01:44:58,955
Demon baby, yes.

1879
01:44:58,955 --> 01:45:00,905
It's a glowing demon baby.

1880
01:45:00,905 --> 01:45:01,656
Yeah.

1881
01:45:01,656 --> 01:45:08,959
But but what I like that the film does is that it doesn't hold the card of what's gonna
happen too long.

1882
01:45:08,959 --> 01:45:16,942
You've set that up, it's clearly obvious what's gonna happen, but we're not gonna wait
till the end of the movie for that to be a kind of final revelation.

1883
01:45:16,942 --> 01:45:18,863
It happens fairly quick.

1884
01:45:18,863 --> 01:45:19,633
It does.

1885
01:45:19,633 --> 01:45:26,526
Well, because they end up in a boxcar They do on a on the railroad, and then you hear in
like

1886
01:45:27,276 --> 01:45:29,948
What I don't know what to compare this to.

1887
01:45:29,948 --> 01:45:42,099
It's a comic moment where you hear you see two people looking into each other's eyes with
this deep gaze and you hear a zipper go and you're like, wait, was that what Justin?

1888
01:45:42,179 --> 01:45:43,280
It was in the movie.

1889
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,071
That's real.

1890
01:45:44,071 --> 01:45:44,942
It was real.

1891
01:45:44,942 --> 01:45:48,475
I've been waiting to say it the whole movie, the whole episode.

1892
01:45:48,475 --> 01:45:49,466
I've been waiting.

1893
01:45:49,466 --> 01:45:50,126
Do it.

1894
01:45:50,126 --> 01:45:52,808
This ET fucks.

1895
01:45:54,994 --> 01:45:57,045
These two were destined for the bone zone.

1896
01:45:57,045 --> 01:45:58,086
For sure.

1897
01:45:58,086 --> 01:45:58,486
Yeah.

1898
01:45:58,486 --> 01:46:03,518
But the fact that they're laying on this filthy boxcar, hey people.

1899
01:46:03,518 --> 01:46:05,019
I knew this was coming.

1900
01:46:05,019 --> 01:46:07,020
I can't handle the idea.

1901
01:46:07,020 --> 01:46:10,552
And they're rolling around, they're flipping one on top, then they flip over.

1902
01:46:10,552 --> 01:46:11,052
Yeah.

1903
01:46:11,052 --> 01:46:13,843
Which is gonna just stir up the matter.

1904
01:46:13,914 --> 01:46:19,266
And I I think of Pee Wee the Detritus?

1905
01:46:20,578 --> 01:46:24,241
They're gonna have to clean off in a hot tub or something after this.

1906
01:46:24,241 --> 01:46:28,183
And and she can't even pee when they're done to make sure there's no UTI.

1907
01:46:28,183 --> 01:46:30,515
Well now, and that's a problem.

1908
01:46:30,515 --> 01:46:30,845
Yes.

1909
01:46:30,845 --> 01:46:31,756
The UTI.

1910
01:46:31,756 --> 01:46:32,867
Yes.

1911
01:46:32,867 --> 01:46:42,914
This this could be the boxcar that Pee-wee and the hobo are in in Pee Wee's Big Adventure,
where they're singing songs and this drunk is sitting there, just he kind of lives in

1912
01:46:42,914 --> 01:46:43,414
there.

1913
01:46:43,414 --> 01:46:46,156
And then these two crack cord and I don't care.

1914
01:46:46,156 --> 01:46:46,416
Yep.

1915
01:46:46,416 --> 01:46:47,517
Exactly.

1916
01:46:47,517 --> 01:46:49,474
And now these two are

1917
01:46:49,474 --> 01:46:49,994
Doing this.

1918
01:46:49,994 --> 01:46:51,485
You think it's the same boxcar?

1919
01:46:51,485 --> 01:46:53,055
I mean, holy shit.

1920
01:46:53,055 --> 01:46:54,725
Well, it's just hanging out there open.

1921
01:46:54,725 --> 01:46:56,936
There's probably only one, right?

1922
01:46:56,936 --> 01:46:57,956
Probably only one.

1923
01:46:57,956 --> 01:47:08,699
I I will say though, that like many things on Earth, Scott Starman doesn't quite
understand fully the idea of consent.

1924
01:47:08,699 --> 01:47:09,380
No.

1925
01:47:09,380 --> 01:47:18,422
While the sex is consensual, there's some other stuff happening that it would have been
good to ask.

1926
01:47:18,798 --> 01:47:19,679
First.

1927
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:20,638
It it it would have.

1928
01:47:20,638 --> 01:47:26,543
I want I want to talk on that in a minute because I want to I want to just share an
experience I had while watching their scene of intimacy.

1929
01:47:26,543 --> 01:47:31,367
Oh, I thought you were gonna say I want to share an experience from a boxcar.

1930
01:47:31,367 --> 01:47:33,688
That's what I thought was about to happen.

1931
01:47:33,688 --> 01:47:40,383
No, I I had a moment where I I'm watching the scene, the scene of them being intimate, all
that, all that sort of stuff.

1932
01:47:40,383 --> 01:47:43,275
And I had a moment where I just suddenly stopped.

1933
01:47:43,555 --> 01:47:48,086
And all of a sudden, I started picturing the scene, except

1934
01:47:48,086 --> 01:47:50,047
Not with Jeff Bridges.

1935
01:47:50,047 --> 01:47:52,529
I started imagining it with Nuki.

1936
01:47:53,269 --> 01:47:55,561
no, this is so deep rooted.

1937
01:47:55,561 --> 01:47:57,592
I try as I might.

1938
01:47:57,592 --> 01:47:58,019
no.

1939
01:47:58,019 --> 01:48:00,034
I can't get it out of my head.

1940
01:48:00,034 --> 01:48:02,531
Wait, this we you envision Nuke.

1941
01:48:02,531 --> 01:48:05,958
I was just like, what would be how would this movie play if it was Nukie?

1942
01:48:05,958 --> 01:48:07,429
And I was just like he has the lube.

1943
01:48:07,429 --> 01:48:08,768
He has like built-in snot lube.

1944
01:48:08,768 --> 01:48:09,493
It's terrible.

1945
01:48:09,493 --> 01:48:10,271
It's terrible.

1946
01:48:10,271 --> 01:48:12,663
I just it's a curse.

1947
01:48:12,663 --> 01:48:14,063
It's a curse.

1948
01:48:14,164 --> 01:48:16,105
Chris, that is next level.

1949
01:48:16,105 --> 01:48:18,026
I well, I mean

1950
01:48:18,112 --> 01:48:26,750
In this world and the the variety of of human interests, someone probably already thought
of that.

1951
01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:28,376
I bet you there's fanfiction somewhere.

1952
01:48:28,376 --> 01:48:28,782
What is it?

1953
01:48:28,782 --> 01:48:29,913
Rule thirty-five?

1954
01:48:29,913 --> 01:48:33,176
I'm not rule thirty-four, something, something.

1955
01:48:33,176 --> 01:48:40,883
It's the it basically if there's if there's if you someone if if you've thought of it,
someone else has thought of it and created art in in that image.

1956
01:48:40,883 --> 01:48:41,613
No.

1957
01:48:41,613 --> 01:48:44,205
I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

1958
01:48:46,208 --> 01:48:47,249
Or yeah, I don't know.

1959
01:48:47,249 --> 01:48:53,503
Well I'm I'll I'm I'm going on to AO3 after we're done recording and I'm gonna look for
the fanfic.

1960
01:48:53,503 --> 01:48:54,514
Yeah.

1961
01:48:54,514 --> 01:48:55,044
Yeah.

1962
01:48:55,044 --> 01:48:57,376
And if it's not fan share what you find.

1963
01:48:57,376 --> 01:49:00,468
If I find nothing, maybe I'll deposit a little something.

1964
01:49:00,468 --> 01:49:03,930
Oh just like Starman.

1965
01:49:03,930 --> 01:49:05,931
Just like Starman.

1966
01:49:08,473 --> 01:49:08,843
god.

1967
01:49:08,843 --> 01:49:12,816
When she wakes up, Starman tells her that he has given her a baby.

1968
01:49:12,816 --> 01:49:16,018
by the way, you're now boxcar pregnant.

1969
01:49:16,715 --> 01:49:19,607
And that's not just hay crammed in you that you're welcome.

1970
01:49:19,607 --> 01:49:21,539
Okay.

1971
01:49:21,539 --> 01:49:25,001
I I wrote down the exact line of exactly what he said.

1972
01:49:25,282 --> 01:49:26,443
Where is it?

1973
01:49:26,443 --> 01:49:27,664
It it's okay.

1974
01:49:27,664 --> 01:49:29,004
So here's the thing.

1975
01:49:29,005 --> 01:49:30,346
She wants a baby.

1976
01:49:30,346 --> 01:49:30,947
Right.

1977
01:49:30,947 --> 01:49:35,750
And and so this is a this is a miracle for Jenny.

1978
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:37,141
This would be my nightmare.

1979
01:49:37,141 --> 01:49:40,094
I made the conscious decision not to have children.

1980
01:49:40,094 --> 01:49:45,398
So this scenario, I would you're reversing that.

1981
01:49:45,398 --> 01:49:46,198
Right now.

1982
01:49:46,198 --> 01:49:49,410
He does say he's you know, if you want, tell now and I can stop it.

1983
01:49:49,410 --> 01:49:55,843
But still, it's already kind of uh there's a lot of moving pieces here.

1984
01:49:55,843 --> 01:49:57,804
Yeah, no, thank you.

1985
01:49:57,804 --> 01:49:58,604
So he does.

1986
01:49:58,604 --> 01:50:02,264
He says, I will just tell me and I'll I I will stop it.

1987
01:50:02,265 --> 01:50:07,668
She hugs him, she's crying, and it's so sad and so tragic.

1988
01:50:07,728 --> 01:50:11,709
It's like it's almost like knowing someone's about to die.

1989
01:50:12,370 --> 01:50:12,992
And

1990
01:50:12,992 --> 01:50:16,705
You have just had your last your fur in this case, first and last encounter.

1991
01:50:16,705 --> 01:50:20,509
I understand what we're talking about with the complicated nature of what he's done here.

1992
01:50:20,509 --> 01:50:24,952
But ultimately, she is happy about this in the end.

1993
01:50:24,952 --> 01:50:25,533
She is.

1994
01:50:25,533 --> 01:50:32,038
And and and that embrace is this thank you of a miracle that's happened, that's something
she never thought she'd have.

1995
01:50:32,038 --> 01:50:33,980
She lost the man she wanted to do it with.

1996
01:50:33,980 --> 01:50:34,461
Right.

1997
01:50:34,461 --> 01:50:36,382
That she wanted to have it with.

1998
01:50:36,382 --> 01:50:41,196
And now she's hugging this man knowing that he's either going to be dead in about forty
eight hours.

1999
01:50:41,236 --> 01:50:42,646
Or he's gonna be gone forever.

2000
01:50:42,646 --> 01:50:42,986
yeah.

2001
01:50:42,986 --> 01:50:45,867
I mean, how crushing is that?

2002
01:50:45,867 --> 01:50:54,210
Well, and and there's also at this point in the story, she's fallen in love with this
Scott.

2003
01:50:54,210 --> 01:51:06,703
And so the prospect of of this baby, which will be part Scott, her husband, and part
Starman Scott.

2004
01:51:06,703 --> 01:51:09,538
It's like the two men that she loved.

2005
01:51:09,538 --> 01:51:21,281
You know, it will be both human and it will be alien, and he knows that it will be a boy,
and it will know what he knows, and when it grows up, it will be a teacher.

2006
01:51:21,562 --> 01:51:25,723
Guys, he put space baby Jesus inside of her.

2007
01:51:26,223 --> 01:51:28,764
Amazing.

2008
01:51:28,764 --> 01:51:30,844
uh In a boxcar.

2009
01:51:30,844 --> 01:51:31,338
Hey!

2010
01:51:31,338 --> 01:51:32,505
Could have been a manger.

2011
01:51:32,505 --> 01:51:33,835
In a boxcar.

2012
01:51:33,835 --> 01:51:35,496
There was no room at the Holiday Inn.

2013
01:51:35,496 --> 01:51:35,946
Yeah.

2014
01:51:35,946 --> 01:51:37,098
It's got hay.

2015
01:51:37,098 --> 01:51:38,548
No, it's all very sweet.

2016
01:51:38,548 --> 01:51:39,440
It's beautiful.

2017
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:40,561
She's happy.

2018
01:51:40,561 --> 01:51:42,803
I'm it just freaks me out.

2019
01:51:42,803 --> 01:51:44,044
It is complicated.

2020
01:51:44,044 --> 01:51:46,566
It is Yeah, no, absolutely.

2021
01:51:46,566 --> 01:51:47,467
Absolutely.

2022
01:51:47,467 --> 01:51:48,197
Yeah, yeah.

2023
01:51:48,197 --> 01:51:55,754
Yeah, I never, never thought of conceiving while riding the rails, but you know That's
that's not true.

2024
01:51:55,754 --> 01:51:57,255
I know that's not true.

2025
01:51:57,255 --> 01:51:58,816
With my hobo bindle.

2026
01:51:58,816 --> 01:51:59,817
Yes.

2027
01:52:00,338 --> 01:52:01,258
Yes.

2028
01:52:01,438 --> 01:52:05,772
they get off the train and they find themselves not in Winslow, Arizona, but in

2029
01:52:05,772 --> 01:52:07,703
Beautiful Las Vegas.

2030
01:52:08,054 --> 01:52:11,587
they're out of money, but fortunately Starman has a talent for gambling.

2031
01:52:11,587 --> 01:52:14,789
I actually wrote down it really is Rain Man.

2032
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:15,510
Yeah.

2033
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:17,972
In in in wet Las Vegas.

2034
01:52:18,332 --> 01:52:21,155
The wettest Las Vegas I've ever seen.

2035
01:52:21,155 --> 01:52:25,708
Carpenter shows up with his rain machines and they probably tried to chase him out of town
like a witch.

2036
01:52:26,284 --> 01:52:28,505
I mean they're near the old strip, right?

2037
01:52:28,505 --> 01:52:29,756
They look like the old strip to me.

2038
01:52:29,756 --> 01:52:31,567
Yeah, they're down near Fremont Street.

2039
01:52:31,567 --> 01:52:33,198
Yes, the downtown Vegas.

2040
01:52:33,198 --> 01:52:36,980
I mean, maybe y it's a good idea to hose down those streets.

2041
01:52:36,980 --> 01:52:37,847
Good good call.

2042
01:52:37,847 --> 01:52:41,093
There's a lot of vomiting, public urination.

2043
01:52:41,093 --> 01:52:42,363
Hey.

2044
01:52:42,363 --> 01:52:45,629
After all those free drinks in the casino.

2045
01:52:45,629 --> 01:52:54,350
You know, if you can't handle a city with a slight smell of urine, you know, it's Chris,
that's that's

2046
01:52:54,658 --> 01:52:57,979
That's the true words of an East Coaster.

2047
01:52:57,979 --> 01:53:01,020
Can I can Rob, I'm gonna tell you something.

2048
01:53:01,020 --> 01:53:06,731
That that line that I just said, if you can't handle a city with a slight smell of urine,
that is not my line.

2049
01:53:06,731 --> 01:53:11,863
That is something my wife said one time when we were walking in LA and there's like, is
that yeah?

2050
01:53:11,863 --> 01:53:18,845
Hey, if you can't handle the city with a slight smell of urine, that is that is Kristen
Ianica, and that is her that is that is her words.

2051
01:53:18,845 --> 01:53:20,995
And then you got down on one knee immediately.

2052
01:53:20,995 --> 01:53:24,480
Yes, that was the moment I realized.

2053
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:32,867
I like that that Starman he can take anything and turn it in his favor immediately,
including slot machines, guys.

2054
01:53:32,867 --> 01:53:33,518
Yeah.

2055
01:53:33,518 --> 01:53:34,078
Yes.

2056
01:53:34,078 --> 01:53:34,519
Yes.

2057
01:53:34,519 --> 01:53:37,841
He he they they win the jackpot and uh they're out of money.

2058
01:53:37,841 --> 01:53:40,363
They're down to one quarter and he's like, it's fine.

2059
01:53:40,363 --> 01:53:41,605
She's like, Where's my wallet?

2060
01:53:41,605 --> 01:53:44,307
And I'm thinking, it's in that boxcar.

2061
01:53:44,307 --> 01:53:49,331
It's in the filthy, it's under the hay and semen in the box car, people.

2062
01:53:49,331 --> 01:53:50,552
That's the problem.

2063
01:53:50,552 --> 01:53:52,866
She has twenty six cents in her pocket.

2064
01:53:52,866 --> 01:53:58,090
He takes that quarter and just turns it into a billion gajillion dollars and he turns it
into a Cadillac.

2065
01:53:58,090 --> 01:53:59,891
And buys a brand new Cadillac.

2066
01:53:59,891 --> 01:54:00,211
Yeah.

2067
01:54:00,211 --> 01:54:06,696
And they drive away like Nicolas Cage and it's the first prize in the Glengarry Glen Ross,
you know, sales competition.

2068
01:54:06,696 --> 01:54:07,276
They get it.

2069
01:54:07,276 --> 01:54:08,477
A brand new Cadillac.

2070
01:54:08,477 --> 01:54:09,468
The family truckster.

2071
01:54:09,468 --> 01:54:11,479
And then they head out of Wet Vegas.

2072
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:12,480
And out of Wet Vegas.

2073
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:15,712
On their way to now we learn a c a crater.

2074
01:54:15,712 --> 01:54:16,763
Yes, a crater.

2075
01:54:16,763 --> 01:54:18,394
They're heading to a crater.

2076
01:54:18,394 --> 01:54:24,709
meanwhile, Mark Sherman has is is learning that Fox plans to capture Starman and literally
dissect him.

2077
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:27,221
And to his credit, he is not happy about that.

2078
01:54:27,221 --> 01:54:28,272
No, boo.

2079
01:54:28,272 --> 01:54:29,954
I love how quick his turn is here.

2080
01:54:29,954 --> 01:54:30,734
Yeah.

2081
01:54:30,734 --> 01:54:40,742
I that said, Fox does one thing in this whole movie that I liked, and it's take that
stupid cigar out of Sherman's mouth.

2082
01:54:40,742 --> 01:54:41,803
I have the same note.

2083
01:54:41,803 --> 01:54:45,356
The whole movie, he's got this cigar that he doesn't light until the very end.

2084
01:54:45,356 --> 01:54:47,777
And I'm I was just I was so irritated by it.

2085
01:54:47,777 --> 01:54:51,281
I I actually clapped when Fox took it out of his fucking mouth.

2086
01:54:51,281 --> 01:54:59,048
It's one of those little s things that's kind of like in e Explorers where Dick Miller's
character has gum all the time.

2087
01:54:59,048 --> 01:54:59,459
Yeah, yeah.

2088
01:54:59,459 --> 01:55:00,930
And then there's gum with the dog.

2089
01:55:00,930 --> 01:55:02,211
And this has the cigar.

2090
01:55:02,211 --> 01:55:04,783
And I was I was happy just like you, man.

2091
01:55:04,783 --> 01:55:05,854
I have it in all caps.

2092
01:55:05,854 --> 01:55:06,785
Thank you.

2093
01:55:06,785 --> 01:55:08,787
Some people can pull it off, some people can't.

2094
01:55:08,787 --> 01:55:10,506
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Predator.

2095
01:55:10,506 --> 01:55:12,366
A hundred percent he can pull it off.

2096
01:55:12,366 --> 01:55:14,127
Kojak with the lollipops.

2097
01:55:14,127 --> 01:55:14,537
Right.

2098
01:55:14,537 --> 01:55:15,568
For sure.

2099
01:55:15,568 --> 01:55:17,369
But yeah, I got it.

2100
01:55:17,369 --> 01:55:17,940
I got you.

2101
01:55:17,940 --> 01:55:18,310
Yeah.

2102
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:26,655
I was just, yeah, I mean, I and again, I I I I like that actor, but but he is not the guy
to be hanging with just a cigar.

2103
01:55:26,676 --> 01:55:27,956
It's just like a.

2104
01:55:28,037 --> 01:55:29,398
So they drive to the crater.

2105
01:55:29,398 --> 01:55:37,493
There's a there's a scene where where as they're driving, Starman tells Jenny about the
differences between his planet and Earth and and what he'll miss when he's gone.

2106
01:55:37,493 --> 01:55:42,086
What's it like up there?

2107
01:55:43,992 --> 01:55:47,104
Not like this, but it is beautiful.

2108
01:55:47,104 --> 01:55:50,776
There is only one language, one law, one people.

2109
01:55:50,776 --> 01:55:52,627
There is no war, no hunger.

2110
01:55:52,627 --> 01:55:56,289
The strong do not victimize the helpless.

2111
01:55:56,289 --> 01:56:01,501
We are very civilized, but we have lost something, I think.

2112
01:56:01,501 --> 01:56:06,262
You are all so much alive, all so different.

2113
01:56:08,542 --> 01:56:14,169
the cooks and the singing and the dancing and the eating.

2114
01:56:33,154 --> 01:56:34,234
And the other things.

2115
01:56:34,234 --> 01:56:36,275
He's talking about food and the other things.

2116
01:56:36,275 --> 01:56:37,956
He means sex guys.

2117
01:56:37,956 --> 01:56:41,978
He'll miss the sex when he's gone uh into in back into outer space.

2118
01:56:41,978 --> 01:56:43,138
They have no bodies.

2119
01:56:43,138 --> 01:56:44,709
They have no bodies where he comes from.

2120
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:47,060
Yeah, they're all just light and stuff.

2121
01:56:47,060 --> 01:56:49,131
They're just the light blobs can't hump.

2122
01:56:49,131 --> 01:56:50,442
Light blobs, they can't.

2123
01:56:50,442 --> 01:56:51,222
It's not the same.

2124
01:56:51,222 --> 01:56:52,402
They can pulsate.

2125
01:56:52,402 --> 01:56:54,943
I wonder if they pulsate at each other.

2126
01:56:54,983 --> 01:56:56,004
cocoon style.

2127
01:56:56,004 --> 01:56:56,624
I love it.

2128
01:56:56,624 --> 01:56:57,545
Yeah.

2129
01:56:57,545 --> 01:56:58,395
Some brimley.

2130
01:56:58,395 --> 01:57:00,325
Oh no.

2131
01:57:00,606 --> 01:57:01,376
Ha

2132
01:57:02,008 --> 01:57:05,830
But when he delivers Chris, you make it sound so porny.

2133
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:08,682
This is not Friday the fifteenth, a new beginning.

2134
01:57:08,682 --> 01:57:10,613
I think you made it sound so poor.

2135
01:57:10,613 --> 01:57:12,754
Thank you, Rob.

2136
01:57:12,754 --> 01:57:13,895
No.

2137
01:57:13,895 --> 01:57:19,498
When when Starman Mickey, or whatever he's called, he looks over at her when he says and
other things.

2138
01:57:19,498 --> 01:57:21,329
He's looking down at her belly.

2139
01:57:21,749 --> 01:57:21,979
Aww.

2140
01:57:21,979 --> 01:57:24,231
He's thinking of the I didn't think it was her belly.

2141
01:57:24,231 --> 01:57:25,611
I didn't either.

2142
01:57:25,792 --> 01:57:27,803
Well, that's because Thank you, Carmelita.

2143
01:57:27,803 --> 01:57:29,814
You're you're in street, Chris.

2144
01:57:29,814 --> 01:57:30,414
Yeah.

2145
01:57:30,414 --> 01:57:33,896
Chris is all lost in the good hair in this movie and he can't handle himself.

2146
01:57:33,896 --> 01:57:37,629
But it is it was a sweet moment that you turned into something gross.

2147
01:57:37,629 --> 01:57:39,080
Something dirty.

2148
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:41,762
Like a boxcar.

2149
01:57:41,762 --> 01:57:43,023
Like a boxcar.

2150
01:57:43,023 --> 01:57:43,903
Dirty.

2151
01:57:43,903 --> 01:57:46,255
A hot tub in Madman.

2152
01:57:46,255 --> 01:57:47,265
Dirty.

2153
01:57:48,186 --> 01:57:49,430
Hot tub in Madman.

2154
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:51,509
A hot tub in the worst.

2155
01:57:51,509 --> 01:57:52,949
In any space.

2156
01:57:52,949 --> 01:57:57,232
Not those, not those heart shaped hot tubs at beautiful Mount Airy Lodge.

2157
01:57:59,174 --> 01:57:59,912
So

2158
01:57:59,912 --> 01:58:02,413
So they they finally stop at one last diner.

2159
01:58:02,413 --> 01:58:08,646
We have one last diner stop, and they have a bite of cherry cobbler, uh, which I don't
think was good.

2160
01:58:08,646 --> 01:58:09,066
No.

2161
01:58:09,066 --> 01:58:17,170
They they asked for the Dutch apple pie, he didn't have it, and they brought the cherry
cobbler, and the way they react, it's like they, you know, it's just no, no, we wanted the

2162
01:58:17,170 --> 01:58:18,771
Dutch apple pie, but you didn't have it.

2163
01:58:18,771 --> 01:58:19,961
But hey, what are you gonna do?

2164
01:58:19,961 --> 01:58:22,242
Uh and then Sherman gets there.

2165
01:58:22,242 --> 01:58:25,964
Like the cops arrive, they get detained, and then Sherman arrives.

2166
01:58:25,972 --> 01:58:30,413
And and we have the guy from SETI finally getting a chance to meet extraterrestrial life.

2167
01:58:30,413 --> 01:58:32,898
Um I'm Mark Sherman.

2168
01:58:33,181 --> 01:58:35,776
SETI, the search for extraterrestrial.

2169
01:58:39,179 --> 01:58:39,429
Mrs.

2170
01:58:39,429 --> 01:58:41,925
Hayden, we talked on the phone.

2171
01:58:43,010 --> 01:58:44,593
This is just such a...

2172
01:58:48,110 --> 01:58:49,498
Do you mind if I sit down?

2173
01:58:54,190 --> 01:58:55,814
There's so many questions that I'd like to ask you.

2174
01:58:55,814 --> 01:58:57,644
I hardly even know where to begin.

2175
01:58:59,574 --> 01:59:02,055
Is there anything I can do for you?

2176
01:59:02,156 --> 01:59:03,616
You can let him go.

2177
01:59:04,074 --> 01:59:05,338
I can't.

2178
01:59:06,399 --> 01:59:07,146
Really, I can't.

2179
01:59:07,146 --> 01:59:08,960
I'm I'm sorry.

2180
01:59:09,861 --> 01:59:10,714
Is it.

2181
01:59:10,714 --> 01:59:12,533
Are you supposed to meet someone here?

2182
01:59:12,533 --> 01:59:13,343
Is that it?

2183
01:59:13,343 --> 01:59:14,223
Yes.

2184
01:59:14,364 --> 01:59:15,285
You don't understand.

2185
01:59:15,285 --> 01:59:16,946
There isn't much time, please.

2186
01:59:16,946 --> 01:59:18,186
Why here?

2187
01:59:18,607 --> 01:59:19,887
Why the crater?

2188
01:59:21,029 --> 01:59:23,610
Have people from your world been here before?

2189
01:59:23,890 --> 01:59:25,431
Before, yes.

2190
01:59:26,052 --> 01:59:29,394
We are interested in your species.

2191
01:59:30,424 --> 01:59:32,715
You mean some kind of anthropologist?

2192
01:59:33,315 --> 01:59:34,716
Is that what you're doing here?

2193
01:59:34,716 --> 01:59:36,017
Just checking us out?

2194
01:59:36,017 --> 01:59:38,238
You are a strange species.

2195
01:59:39,118 --> 01:59:40,799
Not like any other.

2196
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,461
And you would be surprised how many there are.

2197
01:59:44,621 --> 01:59:46,782
Intelligent but savage.

2198
01:59:50,254 --> 01:59:53,245
Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you?

2199
01:59:57,134 --> 02:00:00,543
You are at your very best when things are worst.

2200
02:00:02,071 --> 02:00:03,064
Let him go, Mr.

2201
02:00:03,064 --> 02:00:04,537
Sherman, please.

2202
02:00:08,494 --> 02:00:12,281
If he stays here, he'll die.

2203
02:00:15,990 --> 02:00:19,032
Can't you see he's dying now?

2204
02:00:19,133 --> 02:00:24,938
What he finds interesting about humans is that they are at their very best when things are
at their worst.

2205
02:00:24,938 --> 02:00:25,839
Yeah.

2206
02:00:25,839 --> 02:00:30,653
And I just listened, I heard that line and I said, God, I wish that were true.

2207
02:00:30,653 --> 02:00:31,723
I know.

2208
02:00:33,386 --> 02:00:35,227
Are we on the same planet, Starman?

2209
02:00:35,227 --> 02:00:40,792
If anything in the last decade has taught me, is that that is not the case.

2210
02:00:40,852 --> 02:00:41,872
Huh.

2211
02:00:42,073 --> 02:00:43,086
Starman, you

2212
02:00:43,086 --> 02:00:44,707
Beautiful, naive man.

2213
02:00:44,707 --> 02:00:53,612
I just it's human beings writing alien movies where the aliens look and remark on how
wonderful humans are.

2214
02:00:53,612 --> 02:01:05,219
It's as cringy to me as is writers writing anything where the most important thing in life
is writing.

2215
02:01:05,219 --> 02:01:06,826
And I like writing.

2216
02:01:06,826 --> 02:01:11,380
I sometimes do it, but no, it's not the most important.

2217
02:01:11,380 --> 02:01:12,411
Yeah.

2218
02:01:12,411 --> 02:01:16,213
Human human beings are are are not always that great.

2219
02:01:16,213 --> 02:01:22,197
I just refuse to believe that an alien who's seen it all is gonna be like, no, you guys
are the best.

2220
02:01:22,197 --> 02:01:24,519
Maybe it's just being nice.

2221
02:01:24,519 --> 02:01:25,880
It's the sex, friend.

2222
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:26,680
Yeah.

2223
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:28,341
Well, maybe maybe so.

2224
02:01:28,341 --> 02:01:29,312
It's the afterglow.

2225
02:01:29,312 --> 02:01:34,155
That I have to There's still they're still warming in the glow of that boxcar.

2226
02:01:34,155 --> 02:01:37,887
Post nut delusion in his case.

2227
02:01:39,189 --> 02:01:40,190
It happens.

2228
02:01:40,190 --> 02:01:41,218
It happens.

2229
02:01:41,218 --> 02:01:46,082
By the way, is also gonna be an ice cream flavor at the theme park.

2230
02:01:47,418 --> 02:01:51,407
The theme park is the most expansive, disgusting thing ever.

2231
02:01:51,407 --> 02:01:58,644
I I if I had real like honestly, if if I win the lottery, I won't tell anyone, but there
will be signs.

2232
02:01:58,644 --> 02:01:59,715
But you'll know.

2233
02:01:59,715 --> 02:02:00,465
Yeah, there you go.

2234
02:02:00,465 --> 02:02:03,378
Because this theme park will arise.

2235
02:02:03,598 --> 02:02:09,160
This theme park where all the lands are based on movies we've done for the show, but not
the big ones.

2236
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:12,240
It's like, oh, here's your the hunter from the future land.

2237
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:12,821
Yes.

2238
02:02:12,821 --> 02:02:18,202
Here's here's the treasure of the four crowns, you know, you know, thrill ride.

2239
02:02:18,202 --> 02:02:21,523
Oh and the grizzly nature park.

2240
02:02:21,523 --> 02:02:23,193
I mean, it really has it all.

2241
02:02:23,193 --> 02:02:24,894
we're doing that restaurant from Grizzly.

2242
02:02:24,894 --> 02:02:26,514
That restaurant from Grizzly was great.

2243
02:02:26,514 --> 02:02:28,625
That's gonna be the main dining, you know.

2244
02:02:28,625 --> 02:02:31,326
That's gonna you gotta you have to get reservations in everything.

2245
02:02:31,326 --> 02:02:32,748
It's gonna it's gonna be terrific.

2246
02:02:32,748 --> 02:02:36,129
But the the couple's area is gonna be Starman land.

2247
02:02:36,129 --> 02:02:40,422
uh

2248
02:02:45,283 --> 02:02:48,513
So Sherman's sitting there talking to him.

2249
02:02:48,513 --> 02:02:53,225
And I do appreciate how quickly he he he's real.

2250
02:02:53,225 --> 02:02:53,595
Yeah.

2251
02:02:53,595 --> 02:03:02,427
A lot of times in these movies the scientists have that moment of struggle or they have to
do something insane and over the top, or it takes them forever to get to the point of

2252
02:03:02,427 --> 02:03:04,448
arriving at what's right.

2253
02:03:04,568 --> 02:03:09,109
For him, he just has to sit down and witness this for a moment, and I love that.

2254
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:09,465
Yeah.

2255
02:03:09,465 --> 02:03:12,550
It's because they've bifurcated the traits of

2256
02:03:12,620 --> 02:03:17,763
The the scientist pursuer character into Fox and Sherman.

2257
02:03:17,763 --> 02:03:19,492
And Sherman has all the positive traits.

2258
02:03:19,492 --> 02:03:19,790
Right.

2259
02:03:19,790 --> 02:03:20,234
Yeah.

2260
02:03:20,234 --> 02:03:22,330
And Fox has all the negative traits.

2261
02:03:22,330 --> 02:03:23,843
Uh and yeah, he lets them go.

2262
02:03:23,843 --> 02:03:24,596
He lets them go.

2263
02:03:24,596 --> 02:03:25,763
They're headed off to the crater.

2264
02:03:25,763 --> 02:03:28,699
Uh, but but Fox shows up just after they leave.

2265
02:03:28,699 --> 02:03:40,004
Sherman finally lights that cigar, blows the smoke in Fox's face, and we have the final
chase to the crater, uh, with Fox and the military hot on Starman's heels.

2266
02:03:40,745 --> 02:03:42,766
And this crater is huge.

2267
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:47,424
Like this is a real location in Arizona, and it is massive.

2268
02:03:47,424 --> 02:03:49,415
And there's a lot of helicopters, too.

2269
02:03:49,415 --> 02:03:51,187
Lot of helicopters.

2270
02:03:51,187 --> 02:03:52,908
No special effects employed, folks.

2271
02:03:52,908 --> 02:03:54,819
Lot of helicopters.

2272
02:03:55,120 --> 02:03:59,864
And it it kind of serves the same purpose as Devil's Tower in Close Encounters.

2273
02:03:59,864 --> 02:04:00,645
Yeah.

2274
02:04:00,645 --> 02:04:03,586
But but it's kind of the inverse, right?

2275
02:04:03,767 --> 02:04:11,293
Like to use a term that Rob employed last in last week's episode, it's Yonic rather than
phallic.

2276
02:04:11,293 --> 02:04:12,554
Mm-hmm.

2277
02:04:12,632 --> 02:04:13,212
Did I get that?

2278
02:04:13,212 --> 02:04:14,393
Did I use that word right, Rob?

2279
02:04:14,393 --> 02:04:15,384
You did.

2280
02:04:15,424 --> 02:04:16,285
Yes.

2281
02:04:16,285 --> 02:04:17,446
Absolutely.

2282
02:04:17,446 --> 02:04:21,729
I I nodded along last week when you said Yannick, like I knew exactly what you meant.

2283
02:04:21,729 --> 02:04:25,211
And then looked it up later and I was like, oh, okay.

2284
02:04:26,193 --> 02:04:27,033
So there you go.

2285
02:04:27,033 --> 02:04:29,175
I I got it all from Leslie Vernon.

2286
02:04:29,175 --> 02:04:30,395
It's okay.

2287
02:04:30,756 --> 02:04:33,578
I don't know if it's intentional on the part of the filmmakers.

2288
02:04:33,578 --> 02:04:38,402
Like if it was like, we want to do something that's kind of the inverse of

2289
02:04:38,402 --> 02:04:40,473
Devil's Tower Close Encounters of Third Kind.

2290
02:04:40,473 --> 02:04:46,768
Like that might be my question for if I ever got a chance to ask John Carpenter a
question, that might be my question.

2291
02:04:46,768 --> 02:04:49,970
Certainly better than asking his opinion on Rob Zombies Halloween.

2292
02:04:49,970 --> 02:04:50,911
Oh yes.

2293
02:04:50,911 --> 02:04:53,352
Laziest QA question ever.

2294
02:04:53,352 --> 02:04:53,973
Stupid.

2295
02:04:53,973 --> 02:04:57,875
Maybe maybe you could follow up with what what camera did you shoot it on?

2296
02:04:58,616 --> 02:05:00,897
The other great QA question.

2297
02:05:00,897 --> 02:05:02,698
Where do you get your ideas?

2298
02:05:04,700 --> 02:05:08,332
I was at a Stephen King thing once and he's up there and

2299
02:05:08,398 --> 02:05:10,409
He got in front of that like a pro.

2300
02:05:10,409 --> 02:05:10,789
Really.

2301
02:05:10,789 --> 02:05:11,659
Right at the beginning.

2302
02:05:11,659 --> 02:05:19,573
He's like, So I just want to come out of the gates and I just want to let me just address
the one that I'm sure half of you who would raise your hands if I said who has a question

2303
02:05:19,573 --> 02:05:21,534
might be wanting to ask.

2304
02:05:21,534 --> 02:05:23,435
And it is, where do I get my ideas?

2305
02:05:23,435 --> 02:05:25,565
And he goes, I have no fucking idea.

2306
02:05:26,106 --> 02:05:26,936
Moving on.

2307
02:05:26,936 --> 02:05:32,969
And I was like, Yes, you had solved the audience QA conundrum.

2308
02:05:32,969 --> 02:05:34,309
Well done, Stephen King.

2309
02:05:34,309 --> 02:05:34,769
I love that.

2310
02:05:34,769 --> 02:05:35,429
So

2311
02:05:36,342 --> 02:05:40,483
This is all like we get to the we get to the the the the the crater.

2312
02:05:40,483 --> 02:05:43,664
All of this is happening in the bright desert sunlight.

2313
02:05:43,664 --> 02:05:45,455
Because it's noon, it's high noon.

2314
02:05:45,455 --> 02:05:49,606
Rather than happening at night, that's another contrast with close encounters.

2315
02:05:49,606 --> 02:05:52,386
And we get the ship arriving.

2316
02:05:52,907 --> 02:05:54,714
It's the same ship we saw at the beginning of the film.

2317
02:05:54,714 --> 02:05:57,008
It's this giant sphere.

2318
02:05:57,008 --> 02:06:01,149
And it's like now we kind of get a better sense of what it is.

2319
02:06:01,489 --> 02:06:05,238
When it's when it descends over, it's got such a great shot.

2320
02:06:05,238 --> 02:06:07,599
As it's descending over this crater.

2321
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:13,862
And it's like, you know, the implication being that maybe that was something that caused
the crater before in the past.

2322
02:06:13,862 --> 02:06:16,483
Oh, because he had said, remember, yeah, yeah.

2323
02:06:16,483 --> 02:06:21,785
One of one of the things that Sherman asks him when they're at that last diner is have
You've been here before ha have others been here before?

2324
02:06:21,785 --> 02:06:23,346
And he goes, Yes.

2325
02:06:23,346 --> 02:06:23,886
Yes.

2326
02:06:23,886 --> 02:06:27,287
That's what leads to the whole discussion about humanity and everything.

2327
02:06:27,287 --> 02:06:28,188
So yeah.

2328
02:06:28,188 --> 02:06:34,474
And and it's very clear, this giant sphere, it becomes very clear that the surface of this
vessel

2329
02:06:34,474 --> 02:06:36,094
Is reflective.

2330
02:06:36,255 --> 02:06:39,535
It's like a giant spherical mirror.

2331
02:06:39,716 --> 02:06:42,356
And it's like it's like it's like Starman himself.

2332
02:06:42,356 --> 02:06:46,518
It's like mirroring he he mirrors the humanity around him.

2333
02:06:46,518 --> 02:06:49,358
The ship mirrors the environment around it.

2334
02:06:49,358 --> 02:06:54,720
And there's also in the within the music here is a little classic sci-fi theremon.

2335
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:55,330
Yes.

2336
02:06:55,330 --> 02:06:56,680
That I yes.

2337
02:06:56,881 --> 02:07:00,211
That sci-fi nerd John Carpenter was like, This is where it goes.

2338
02:07:00,211 --> 02:07:01,612
I love the Theremon.

2339
02:07:01,612 --> 02:07:02,502
Yes.

2340
02:07:02,536 --> 02:07:03,407
Absolutely.

2341
02:07:03,407 --> 02:07:04,167
Absolutely.

2342
02:07:04,167 --> 02:07:08,186
So oddly enough, the f the the Theremon is both phallic and Yannick.

2343
02:07:08,186 --> 02:07:09,030
Well, there you go.

2344
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:10,111
Yeah.

2345
02:07:10,111 --> 02:07:10,501
Yeah.

2346
02:07:10,501 --> 02:07:11,612
So it's got it all.

2347
02:07:11,612 --> 02:07:12,593
It's got it all.

2348
02:07:12,593 --> 02:07:13,684
It's it's in balance.

2349
02:07:13,684 --> 02:07:14,426
Yeah.

2350
02:07:14,426 --> 02:07:22,990
Uh I love I love how that, you know, like this zone of light descends the core like it
basically like once they get into the crater, if they're like there's the the guys are

2351
02:07:22,990 --> 02:07:25,542
stabilitary guys are shooting at they're shooting rockets.

2352
02:07:25,542 --> 02:07:31,966
But then once this spaceship arrives, like it it creates this sort of zone of peace.

2353
02:07:32,042 --> 02:07:33,653
Of you know, with light and everything.

2354
02:07:33,653 --> 02:07:35,884
And it's it's like they're bathed in red light.

2355
02:07:35,884 --> 02:07:37,465
It starts to snow.

2356
02:07:37,465 --> 02:07:40,016
It's breathtaking this sequence.

2357
02:07:40,016 --> 02:07:41,627
It's beautiful.

2358
02:07:41,627 --> 02:07:43,618
It is absolutely beautiful.

2359
02:07:43,618 --> 02:07:47,531
And this is where we get the like the emotional goodbye.

2360
02:07:47,531 --> 02:07:48,130
huh.

2361
02:07:48,130 --> 02:07:49,382
And it's it's heartbreaking.

2362
02:07:49,382 --> 02:07:54,922
It's it's a beautiful scene emotionally and visually, as they're like bathed in this
light.

2363
02:07:54,922 --> 02:07:56,368
You know, it's it's a beautiful scene.

2364
02:07:56,368 --> 02:08:00,368
It reminds me of the the goodbye scene in Ink T, but the context is different.

2365
02:08:00,368 --> 02:08:01,228
And having

2366
02:08:01,228 --> 02:08:03,880
watched, I mean, little inside thing here.

2367
02:08:03,880 --> 02:08:09,424
We had watched a short circuit prior to this and discussed it.

2368
02:08:09,424 --> 02:08:11,305
Which will actually be in our next episode.

2369
02:08:11,305 --> 02:08:12,616
Which is in the next episode.

2370
02:08:12,616 --> 02:08:20,802
And having just seen Johnny Five blown up at the very end, there's you're s you're not
certain that he's gonna make it out.

2371
02:08:20,802 --> 02:08:21,472
Yeah.

2372
02:08:21,472 --> 02:08:29,804
Because this thing is surrounded by all these real gun, like trigger happy military people
and Fox and he we need to get him

2373
02:08:29,804 --> 02:08:35,907
And as he's taking his time walking toward that red light, I'm like, get there, please.

2374
02:08:35,907 --> 02:08:36,638
Yeah.

2375
02:08:36,638 --> 02:08:37,288
Go get there.

2376
02:08:37,288 --> 02:08:39,709
And I genuinely couldn't remember if he made it or not.

2377
02:08:39,709 --> 02:08:42,921
I assumed he did, but you don't always know because it's a carpenter film.

2378
02:08:42,921 --> 02:08:44,102
Look at the ending of the thing.

2379
02:08:44,102 --> 02:08:44,412
Right.

2380
02:08:44,412 --> 02:08:48,124
Look at I mean he's not one to always give you the rosy ending.

2381
02:08:48,164 --> 02:08:52,427
And man, th so that adds an extra layer of like just move, move.

2382
02:08:52,427 --> 02:08:55,748
And you become anxious for him to get there and survive.

2383
02:08:55,748 --> 02:08:59,000
But at the same time, this was crushing.

2384
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:00,111
For them to say goodbye.

2385
02:09:00,111 --> 02:09:00,401
Oh.

2386
02:09:00,401 --> 02:09:06,456
And the way that he shot it, the time that he gave it, the looks at each other, the
cutting.

2387
02:09:06,657 --> 02:09:10,080
Man, it is one of the most devastating endings of a movie ever.

2388
02:09:10,080 --> 02:09:11,521
It's perfect.

2389
02:09:11,521 --> 02:09:12,322
It's great.

2390
02:09:12,322 --> 02:09:13,283
It's great.

2391
02:09:13,283 --> 02:09:13,636
Yeah.

2392
02:09:13,636 --> 02:09:17,767
Uh and he leaves her with one last marble, one last unused marble.

2393
02:09:17,767 --> 02:09:20,589
And he says that the baby will know what to do with it.

2394
02:09:20,589 --> 02:09:25,534
And then we have that final shot looking down on her, uh on her face as the ship ascends.

2395
02:09:25,534 --> 02:09:26,294
It's

2396
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:29,152
It it's a beautiful ending to a beautiful film.

2397
02:09:29,152 --> 02:09:32,735
And it doesn't end with a ship flying off into the stratosphere.

2398
02:09:32,735 --> 02:09:35,187
It ends on her watching it go up.

2399
02:09:35,187 --> 02:09:38,320
That's how we know it's happening, which A saves them money.

2400
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:41,843
But also B, it's her story.

2401
02:09:41,843 --> 02:09:43,204
Exactly.

2402
02:09:43,325 --> 02:09:44,165
Exactly.

2403
02:09:44,165 --> 02:09:47,549
It began with her face, it needs to end with her face.

2404
02:09:47,549 --> 02:09:53,254
And you're just ruminating on the journey that she's been on in the last few days, and
it's incredible.

2405
02:09:53,254 --> 02:09:54,310
Absolutely.

2406
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:58,914
I mean it's I I I I I've really I've enjoyed uh revisiting this film.

2407
02:09:58,914 --> 02:10:03,248
I think it's the best film we've watched for this series so far that wasn't directed by
Steven Spielberg.

2408
02:10:03,248 --> 02:10:03,698
Yeah.

2409
02:10:03,698 --> 02:10:08,732
You know, it's in the same ballpark as those those first two movies from uh from episode
one.

2410
02:10:08,732 --> 02:10:11,725
Uh and it's just it's really it's really something.

2411
02:10:11,725 --> 02:10:13,376
It's really extraordinary movie.

2412
02:10:13,376 --> 02:10:18,570
I hope you know, 'cause Carpenter has only become more popular as time has gone on.

2413
02:10:18,796 --> 02:10:23,327
I hope that this movie kind of continues to gain popularity, as many of his movies have.

2414
02:10:23,327 --> 02:10:32,250
We've talked about that with Carpenter, is that like time is really, you know, kind of the
key ingredient for his movies, with the exception of a few big ones.

2415
02:10:32,250 --> 02:10:40,133
Um, you know, like Halloween was obviously a hit from the get-go, but like time, and I
hope more people kind of rediscover this movie because it's really good.

2416
02:10:40,133 --> 02:10:41,113
It really is.

2417
02:10:41,113 --> 02:10:43,820
Can you talk a little bit about the Academy Award dominator?

2418
02:10:43,820 --> 02:10:44,720
Yes, yeah.

2419
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:48,312
It was this movie did well when it opened in December of eighty-four.

2420
02:10:48,312 --> 02:10:52,755
It was very well reviewed, which Carpenter movies were usually not.

2421
02:10:52,755 --> 02:11:02,000
Even movies like now The Thing is like a classic, but it wasn't a it the thing was not a
movie that was well reviewed but didn't do well commercially.

2422
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:12,522
This movie, uh Starman, was well reviewed from the get-go, and uh Jeff Bridges was
nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor.

2423
02:11:12,522 --> 02:11:13,413
in this movie.

2424
02:11:13,413 --> 02:11:15,594
And uh I just think it's great.

2425
02:11:15,594 --> 02:11:16,484
Like it's great.

2426
02:11:16,484 --> 02:11:20,287
I it's crazy that that's the only nomination to ever come out of a carpenter movie.

2427
02:11:20,287 --> 02:11:21,248
That's insane.

2428
02:11:21,248 --> 02:11:21,708
Yeah.

2429
02:11:21,708 --> 02:11:26,831
Like the no makeup special effect it's uh none of it's cinematography either.

2430
02:11:26,831 --> 02:11:27,512
Yeah.

2431
02:11:27,512 --> 02:11:28,972
Like crazy.

2432
02:11:28,972 --> 02:11:30,543
The word shows are bullshit, man.

2433
02:11:30,543 --> 02:11:31,494
Well yeah, yeah.

2434
02:11:31,494 --> 02:11:34,586
I mean ultimately it's all you know matter of opinion.

2435
02:11:34,586 --> 02:11:37,498
But it's yeah, it it yeah.

2436
02:11:37,498 --> 02:11:38,368
Yeah.

2437
02:11:38,444 --> 02:11:39,635
And he didn't he did not win.

2438
02:11:39,635 --> 02:11:40,395
He did not win.

2439
02:11:40,395 --> 02:11:41,935
He although he lost to F.

2440
02:11:41,935 --> 02:11:46,247
Murray Abraham, who won for playing Salieri and Amadeus.

2441
02:11:46,247 --> 02:11:47,788
So I mean what are you gonna do?

2442
02:11:47,788 --> 02:11:48,998
Can't argue with that.

2443
02:11:48,998 --> 02:11:49,369
Yeah.

2444
02:11:49,369 --> 02:11:54,061
Amadeus had two nominations in the same category, so the deck was a little stacked.

2445
02:11:54,061 --> 02:11:56,151
I mean it's like losing to Daniel Day Lewis.

2446
02:11:56,151 --> 02:11:57,548
It's no reflection on you.

2447
02:11:57,548 --> 02:11:57,922
Right.

2448
02:11:57,922 --> 02:11:58,662
No, no, no.

2449
02:11:58,662 --> 02:12:03,805
You know, it's just that sometimes you have those films or performances that that's that's
what it is.

2450
02:12:03,805 --> 02:12:07,542
But you might say that sometimes you get the bar.

2451
02:12:07,542 --> 02:12:09,203
Sometimes the bar gets you.

2452
02:12:09,203 --> 02:12:09,803
There it is.

2453
02:12:09,803 --> 02:12:11,004
uh There it is.

2454
02:12:11,004 --> 02:12:12,985
It's and and I'll go ahead.

2455
02:12:12,985 --> 02:12:23,781
I I was gonna say on his performance because he was at this time, you know, coming out of
being more of the kind of swashbuckling, like even in Tron where it's not exactly that,

2456
02:12:23,781 --> 02:12:27,052
but where he had he had a lot of roles with swagger, I believe.

2457
02:12:27,052 --> 02:12:27,793
Absolutely.

2458
02:12:27,793 --> 02:12:28,433
Absolutely.

2459
02:12:28,433 --> 02:12:29,644
Swagger's a good way to put it.

2460
02:12:29,644 --> 02:12:31,155
This is so different.

2461
02:12:31,155 --> 02:12:37,718
And then, you know, where he's gone in his the you know, the latter era of his career is
just

2462
02:12:37,794 --> 02:12:40,296
You know, a whole other area.

2463
02:12:40,296 --> 02:12:44,790
Yeah, a whole other, you know, on screen persona and stuff, the the grizzled old man.

2464
02:12:44,790 --> 02:12:46,081
The dude.

2465
02:12:46,081 --> 02:12:50,144
The dude, which oddly it kind of starts that in a weird way.

2466
02:12:50,144 --> 02:12:50,654
Yeah.

2467
02:12:50,654 --> 02:12:52,326
even though he's anyway.

2468
02:12:52,326 --> 02:13:04,876
But this is such a you know, a singular performance in his career, at least from what I've
seen, that it it's it's just so interesting on that level to because I don't think I've

2469
02:13:04,876 --> 02:13:07,360
ever seen him do another role like this.

2470
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:07,750
No.

2471
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:09,191
Not that comes to mind, no.

2472
02:13:09,191 --> 02:13:09,850
Yeah.

2473
02:13:09,850 --> 02:13:10,672
Yeah.

2474
02:13:10,912 --> 02:13:13,213
and I'm not sure if they intended this or not.

2475
02:13:13,213 --> 02:13:18,956
Um, but there is kind of an inherent setup here for a legacy sequel.

2476
02:13:19,076 --> 02:13:20,737
Son of Starman.

2477
02:13:20,737 --> 02:13:26,120
You jump ahead, you know, 20 years, the kid's growing up and he realizes he's Space Jesus.

2478
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:27,181
I'm in.

2479
02:13:27,181 --> 02:13:31,593
Uh I mean I it I think it would be interesting.

2480
02:13:31,593 --> 02:13:37,466
Like I feel like the the sort of it's the sort of thing that 10 years ago.

2481
02:13:37,546 --> 02:13:40,107
Would have, I think, been very interesting.

2482
02:13:40,107 --> 02:13:43,308
There have been so many of these long gap sequels.

2483
02:13:43,308 --> 02:13:43,848
Yes.

2484
02:13:43,848 --> 02:13:47,879
And I think it's kind of the punch has worn off on that a little bit.

2485
02:13:47,879 --> 02:13:51,400
Like, you know, there's just a devil wears Prada sequel 20 years later.

2486
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:52,810
I'm like, that's crazy.

2487
02:13:52,810 --> 02:13:56,041
That's I mean, it's not even a question of how good or not good.

2488
02:13:56,041 --> 02:13:58,082
It's just there have been so many of them.

2489
02:13:58,082 --> 02:13:58,672
Yes.

2490
02:13:58,672 --> 02:14:00,392
That you lose the novelty.

2491
02:14:00,392 --> 02:14:05,054
It's not like when Color of Money came out and it was like, they're doing a sequel to the
hustler.

2492
02:14:05,054 --> 02:14:06,774
It's been 25 years.

2493
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:08,930
Well, that's really different.

2494
02:14:09,191 --> 02:14:11,051
It's so common now.

2495
02:14:11,641 --> 02:14:14,032
so maybe it's the moment has passed.

2496
02:14:14,032 --> 02:14:15,152
I don't know.

2497
02:14:15,432 --> 02:14:18,053
But there was a TV series.

2498
02:14:18,653 --> 02:14:24,735
Starman the series lasted one season in 1986, and that did.

2499
02:14:24,735 --> 02:14:30,437
Neither Jeff Bridges nor Karen Allen returned, but it did jump ahead 15 years.

2500
02:14:30,737 --> 02:14:35,158
And Starman returns in the form of Robert Hayes.

2501
02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:40,313
To mentor his now teenage son, played by Christopher Daniel Barnes.

2502
02:14:40,554 --> 02:14:48,380
And the show had them on the run trying to avoid government agents and searching for
Jenny, who had gone missing.

2503
02:14:48,641 --> 02:14:53,325
So it's kind of in the model of other road series like The Fugitive or Incredible Hulk.

2504
02:14:53,325 --> 02:15:01,571
It only lasted one season, although they did eventually find Jenny, who was in hiding, and
was now played by Buck Rogers Aaron Gray.

2505
02:15:01,792 --> 02:15:05,004
Anyway, I think that brings us to the end for Starman.

2506
02:15:05,070 --> 02:15:09,312
Harmelita, thank you so much for joining us.

2507
02:15:09,312 --> 02:15:12,413
It has been absolutely fantastic to have you on.

2508
02:15:12,413 --> 02:15:13,994
Thank you.

2509
02:15:14,170 --> 02:15:20,527
It's an honor and a joy to be back on Get Me Another.

2510
02:15:20,527 --> 02:15:23,979
This was so much fun as I knew it would be.

2511
02:15:23,979 --> 02:15:24,679
Amazing.

2512
02:15:24,679 --> 02:15:28,851
And I'm so looking forward to hearing the rest of the episodes in the series.

2513
02:15:28,851 --> 02:15:30,722
Because I'm not just a sometime guest.

2514
02:15:30,722 --> 02:15:32,142
I am also.

2515
02:15:32,428 --> 02:15:35,360
A dedicated listener and it's been great so far.

2516
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,511
And we we appreciate it.

2517
02:15:37,511 --> 02:15:38,021
my goodness.

2518
02:15:38,021 --> 02:15:41,603
Yeah, there's so there's some really interesting stuff ahead, some fun stuff ahead.

2519
02:15:41,603 --> 02:15:45,055
And yeah, we it's we're just getting started.

2520
02:15:45,055 --> 02:15:46,506
And this has been this has been great.

2521
02:15:46,506 --> 02:15:47,146
This has been great.

2522
02:15:47,146 --> 02:15:49,987
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

2523
02:15:49,987 --> 02:15:52,109
I I know you're on podcasts all the time.

2524
02:15:52,109 --> 02:15:56,401
Is there anything coming up that you have that you know that's that's coming up in the
near future?

2525
02:15:56,401 --> 02:15:57,191
Let's see.

2526
02:15:57,191 --> 02:16:02,574
Well, at the time of this recording, I have recently already recorded.

2527
02:16:03,218 --> 02:16:05,910
with Dirk Marshall, VH Us podcast.

2528
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:07,489
So that should be coming out soon.

2529
02:16:07,489 --> 02:16:08,781
Oh, very nice.

2530
02:16:08,781 --> 02:16:16,378
Um, and then this is actually I've got like two or three other recording sessions coming
up, like in the next week and a half.

2531
02:16:16,378 --> 02:16:17,286
Oh, wow.

2532
02:16:17,286 --> 02:16:17,636
Okay.

2533
02:16:17,636 --> 02:16:18,627
Two weeks.

2534
02:16:18,627 --> 02:16:22,359
So uh pretty soon I'll be on the Schlack and A podcast.

2535
02:16:22,359 --> 02:16:22,729
nice.

2536
02:16:22,729 --> 02:16:25,821
Um, I'm gonna be on film strip soon.

2537
02:16:25,821 --> 02:16:29,663
Um, and then uh why wasn't it better?

2538
02:16:29,663 --> 02:16:31,170
That'll be a first time.

2539
02:16:31,170 --> 02:16:32,471
guest spot for me with them.

2540
02:16:32,471 --> 02:16:33,661
So that'll be fun.

2541
02:16:33,661 --> 02:16:34,362
interesting.

2542
02:16:34,362 --> 02:16:35,850
But there's always something.

2543
02:16:35,850 --> 02:16:39,050
And folks can just follow me on Twitter, Blue Sky.

2544
02:16:39,050 --> 02:16:47,979
And anytime I have the great fortune of being invited to guest on someone's wonderful
podcast, I post about it there.

2545
02:16:47,979 --> 02:16:52,541
so yeah, just follow me at Carmelita Says, all the places.

2546
02:16:52,541 --> 02:16:53,962
Carmelita Says.

2547
02:16:53,962 --> 02:16:56,693
On on on Twitter and Blue Sky and Letterboxed.

2548
02:16:56,693 --> 02:16:58,143
You're letterboxed as well.

2549
02:16:58,143 --> 02:17:02,344
And the and the people will get your double feature wrecks as well.

2550
02:17:02,344 --> 02:17:02,825
yeah.

2551
02:17:02,825 --> 02:17:04,565
The best to double feature wrecks.

2552
02:17:04,565 --> 02:17:05,705
Oh thanks.

2553
02:17:05,705 --> 02:17:06,405
Yes.

2554
02:17:06,405 --> 02:17:08,636
And I know that I know that they're more than wrecks.

2555
02:17:08,636 --> 02:17:11,857
They are uh happening in process when they go.

2556
02:17:11,857 --> 02:17:12,747
So no, I watch them.

2557
02:17:12,747 --> 02:17:23,200
So so so dear listeners, if you decide to um check out some of those double features that
I do and you didn't like it, um, that's fine.

2558
02:17:23,562 --> 02:17:24,703
I watched it too.

2559
02:17:24,703 --> 02:17:31,402
So I didn't I didn't put it out there and leave you to do that.

2560
02:17:31,402 --> 02:17:34,261
I I put my money where my mouth is.

2561
02:17:34,261 --> 02:17:35,342
I watch the movies.

2562
02:17:35,342 --> 02:17:39,965
I don't know how you do two movies a night almost every I mean sometimes you do one, but
most of the time it's two.

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I don't know how you do it.

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I mean, this is what I do.

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It's fantastic.

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Anyway, we'll be back in two weeks on Tuesday, July twenty eighth, when we'll shift away
from aliens for a little bit to look at movies with

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Other beings that took inspiration from E.D., specifically two movies involving robots who
encounter humans and have an effect on their lives.

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1985's Daryl, starring Barrett Oliver from The Never Ending Story, and from 1986, Short
Circuit with Ali Sheedy, Steve Gutenberg, and a robot named Johnny Five.

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He's alive.

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He is alive for for better or worse.

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As always, we are your hosts, Chris Inacone, Rob Lamorges, and Justin Beam.

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If you've enjoyed our show, please consider subscribing and following us on Blue Sky,
Instagram, Threads, and Twitter at Get Me Another Pod.

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02:18:34,232 --> 02:18:41,658
Check out Justin's album, Phantom Light Keeper Shore Ghosts, at Justinbeam.com, Bandcamp,
or Spotify.

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And the second Phantom Light Keeper album, Four Days at the Precipice, is now available
for pre-order and comes out August 14th.

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02:18:49,644 --> 02:18:52,586
If you've liked the show, tell your friends about it.

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02:18:52,664 --> 02:18:53,996
Tell your enemies about it.

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02:18:53,996 --> 02:18:58,764
Tell that sexy spaceman about it in between helpings of Dutch Apple Pie.

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And join us next time as we continue to explore what happens when Hollywood says, get me
enough.