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Hey, Flames fans, welcome to another edition of Flames Unfiltered,
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hosted by myself, Brad Rude and Kyle Lewis, and today
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is a special episode. It's one of our off season
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special episodes, and we're going to dig deep into who
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what Flames players were over or underrated. It should be
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an interesting conversation as we roll through the off season.
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The Stanley Cup has been awarded, and uh, now I
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thing should heat up a little bit in the league.
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Yeah, well, I hope so. I mean, well, it's already
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been a few things that have happened just since that
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the Cup was awarded. They're getting too deep into it.
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Tortarello is not returning as a Vegas gold Knights coach.
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Joseph Wall get traded to Philadelphia, so immediately in the aftermath,
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we're seeing some some trade activity and noteworthy things happening
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in the coaching realm.
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And that's interesting, Yeah, it is. So let's talk about
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some of the players who were overrated as Calgary Flames,
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and we'll end with the underrated guys, some of the
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secret Flames players that were a lot better than they
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were probably given credit for.
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Well, let's let's start with something that I feel is underrated,
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you might feel as overrated. It's it's it's it's blasty,
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right the studiom mark. So the rumors persist, the blast
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he is gonna go away or be minimal and next
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year's Jerseys game, we'll see. But I'm buying up all
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the blast. The stuff I can find in the sweatshirt
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is no exception. So well underrated anyway, All right, Okay,
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So you know Brad deserves a ton of credit for
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not just a production of our show, but also the
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creative content, especially when it comes to off season episodes.
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This is where he really shines. So I'm gonna let
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you take the lead on who you feel is either
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an underrated or overrated flame.
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I'm my first guy that I think of, and I
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you know this. You know, sometimes things in life, whether
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it be a song or you know, whatever, brings you
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back to a time of what you were doing in
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your life.
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Absolutely.
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I remember we were remodeling our house. We had completely
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gutted our house. The bottom two levels were done. We
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were living in the bottom two levels, which my kids
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had their bedrooms, but my wife and I were on
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a blow up mattress as I laid in the blow
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up Mattress. One night, I see that the Flames have
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signed a giant free agent named James Neil. Remember exactly
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where I was when I phoned that out, and that's
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where I was. And could he have not been more overrated?
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Just a disaster contract that uh just he just he
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has never clicked in Calgary.
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No, it was a miserable experiment when we'd all like
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to forget. I don't like he came with a lot
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of hype, but I mean in hindsight being what it is,
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I mean even at the time he was not overrated
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by any stretch, but I think as a signing he
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was significantly overrated. So in that respect, yeah, you're you're
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bang on.
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He was.
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That was exciting at the time.
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Probably with the Ontario.
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He went south quick.
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As quick or quicker or not as quick as Troy Brower.
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About the same, that's a try. He's on my list too, Oh,
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I know, about the same. I mean they both just
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they just never got out of the gate, neither one
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of them. And you know what, we can throw the
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bomb on it right now. Jonathan Huberto is kind of
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there too, but not I guess to the extent of
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the James Neil.
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I think in terms of the difference between them, Neil
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was expected to do well and so it was super
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do and neither did another. Has a Hubert's case, Brower
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was known from day one to be a terrible contract.
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Yeah, so he is not really as overrated because we
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all were like.
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What, I was sitting on a beach when that came out,
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because then they signed him, and I want to say,
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Brian Elliott on the.
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Same day, I think, so, yeah, yeah.
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Man Elliott had a sick ear set up the way
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the red pads.
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Yeah he was Yeah.
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Okay, let me throw one at you.
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Underrated, underrated, Okay.
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Fred Brathwhite for sure, Yeah, one of the best goaltenders
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in a franchise that hasn't had a ton of stellar goaltenders.
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And we'd obviously kiper soft furn Mark Strom as well
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deserves some mention there. But I thought brath White, when
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you get traded to Saint Louis and that deal for
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Roman Turk was kind of underappreciated. He won the Flames
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a lot of games shouldn't have won. To this day,
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the save he made on the goal line with his
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stick against the Troit Red Wings in like ninety ninety
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eight or ninety nine. It's like one of the all
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time NHL saves like he was. He was a really
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good goal thunder degree.
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Yeah it was the number is crazy crazy good.
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Yeah, on a terrible, terrible team of the two or
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three seasons later.
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Yeah. Yeah, you know, I am an underrated guy too.
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And you're probably gonna shake your head maybe a little
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bit at this because I don't know that he was
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as underrated in Calgary as he was throughout the league.
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But when I look back how important he was the
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success of this franchise, I feel like he's underrated and
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and and and still is under talked about in this franchise.
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And that's Robin or Gear. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think I told you before on the show.
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I have his last Flames game Warre and Jersey in
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my basement. Really, they had the lost one he ever
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wore where I get traded to Buffalo. I. Yeah, it's
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hard to over overrate his contributions as a Flame.
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He just was so quiet about everything and just went
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about his business every night and you just got the
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job done. And he's one of those guys that's like
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when when he's gone, it's like whoa whoa, this is
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a void. We really are gonna have a hard time.
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Feeling you kind of feel bad for Chris Butler in
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Hindsig because he came back on that trail of Buffalo
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and it's like, there's no way, even though he was
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just taking the roster spot that we were held down.
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It's like, oh, I know, how do you follow those footsteps?
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Right? Yeah?
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Impossible, thou Yeah, here is a good one. Overrated Okay,
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sick stick with defenceman and his output, you know, kind
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of it showed however it was. But Jay Bolmeister, I'll
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thought he was a terrible Calgary flame.
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Did you well?
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The team did nothing when he was here. He was,
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I mean, he was a workhord a minute wise, but
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his offensive numbers were pathetic, quite frankly. And what I guess, Okay,
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so to be fair to Bolmester, I think what upsets
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me the most of why I feel he was so
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overrated even when he was brought in, was that in
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bringing him in, they they gave up on the time
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I believe was on Mike Camillary. So they gutted their
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left wing depth offensively to bring in j Bolmester. And
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I think our top line left winger at the time
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as a result of that was maybe Rene Bork, who
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had a great career as well. But it's like everything
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about the Bowmester thing and Calgary and then we'd hire
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Brent Sutter as coach. I mean everything about it was
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disastrous and it was really evident to me that it
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was a really good example of bringing in a top
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tier name did not translate to success or betterment to
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that position. Because I thought I was a defenseman, a kagreaman.
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He did nothing, he wontber when to come to Saint
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Louis and had to retire because we heard or showing
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was still a great player. But in Calgary, I was
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just like he was so meh all the time, all
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the time.
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Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I would agree he had
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a he had. We had high expectations, so like what
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a big name, right and.
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something per year at the time, like his.
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Big money, big money at the time, big big, you know,
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an overrated guy that I have. This one I kind
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of struggled with when I wrote it on my list
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because he really wasn't bad in Calgary, but like overrated
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overall compared to the hype that I remember watching him
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in the World Juniors in five and that was Dionne Finough.
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I mean he came in and his you know, with
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the massive hype his rookie year and and and quite honestly,
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he had pretty big success with tons of media attention,
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with a big shot and the hits and everything, but uh,
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it's all around game was never really at the superstar
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level that he was hyped. And then as soon as
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he left Calgary it seemed like it just dissipated to
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oblivion really, and.
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They fell off a cliff. He fell off an absolute cliff.
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And so I look at him as kind of he was.
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He's overrated man. Everybody pocks so highly of him, but
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his actions on the ice worked, is yes, so right?
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Yeah, So five oh six finished third and called her
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voting by in Crosby and a Vechkin, which anybody would
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have finished her. That you're buying those two. Yeah, the
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twenty goals, twenty nine assists, massive hits, tons of fights.
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The second season he had seventeen goals and nearly sixty points,
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I think, And then I don't, I don't know what
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happened to the guy and to this day, I wonder,
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And it's not about you know, I'm not trying to
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shoot on the player. I just I really wish I
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understood what happened that his game just fell off like
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a like a cliff like he offensively completely disappeared. He
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wasn't nearly as tough. How many highlight reels have you
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seen him throwing hits and a leafs kings or senator's jersey.
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Minimal? I can remember one in Ottawa. I get like
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that are like one hands. I can count him on.
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Now the fun little side side about enough that just
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flimped on my brain. My favorite Greg Millan call was
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when Enough went to fight Yroko Rutu, when he tripped
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over skits and fact and yeah, and Millan started giggling.
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And you know, when I think and God Rest the soul,
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when I think of of Greg Millan, I think of
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that clip and just how funny it was because he
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couldn't hide the legitimacy of his reaction.
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Right. But I watched a few times.
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Oh we all have, we all have, But yeah, Penough
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was a phenomenal flame for about two seasons. Was never
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great defensively though, and in that way, I feel he
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was overrated.
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Really he was the opposite of Robin McGee in his
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own end. Yes, like just a total rover, you know,
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took took the big hit over the smart play far
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too often. But it was hell of a lot of
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fun to watch.
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Yeah he was. I mean I often think, you know,
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like what what if he stays in Calgary? Right, I
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don't know.
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Here's another here's here's underrated. She's talked about number three
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who throw giant hits, Denny Goci.
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He the guy was a workhorse of the flames. He
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just destroyed people for a living and he was so
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he's a great guy, analyst with thirds, has been for
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a number of years, but was part of the trade
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that brought dam and Lank out of Calgary. But up
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until you know, like if got had played the four run,
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let's say, if he hadn't tore his knee up in
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the first round against Vancouver, you wonder if that would
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have been enough to make a difference, because he was
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he was quite solid defensively, but it was just a
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wrecking But he was every bit as good, if not better,
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hitter than for enough was.
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do you think when we're talking about underrated, do you
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think Michael Backland falls into that.
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In Calgary No, but league wide yes, I would agree. Yeah,
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I think the Flames fans know what they have in him.
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It's weird. It's weird to see old clips of him
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playing with Againla right.
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I think a vast majority of Flames fans know what
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we have in him, but I don't think they're still
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part of this core fan base that don't understand his
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defensive presence and what he does as a leader for
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this team. And he gets he gets crapped on all
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the time because he's a captain and he's not the
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big superstar that puts up tons of points. But that's
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not to me what a captain is. And I think
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far too often in hockey we just pin aceee on
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somebody that's the goal scorer and may not really truly
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be the leader. And I think Michael Backlan creates a
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calming effect and I think that's a good trade to
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in a captain and a leader. And I think outside
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of probably most of this market, he's a pretty underrated
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player in the National Hockey.
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League, I would agree, And in Calgary's case, I think
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apart from guys that get La flurry Giordono, you know,
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being the best player of the team. They have given
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the captain city guys who were just good leaders Dave Lowery,
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Bob Bugner, Todd Simpson, which has not always been the
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norm elsewhere. I mean, especially in the nineties, like it
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was guys like you know, Paul Korea obviously have the
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scene Anaheim, Tony Monte in Chicago, you know, like players
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that were just highly highly highly skilled. But but yeah, backhand,
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very curious to see how we look upon his career
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when he retires in a couple probably a couple years time,
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Know, you know, ten years from now when we're talking
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about this, like, I wonder how we look back at
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that career.
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Yeah, very beariest.
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I have an overrated one and I don't think this
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one will surprise you. But the whole time he was here,
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he got praise and praise and praise, and I just
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I never saw it. And that's Milan Lucue.
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Yeah, he was the guy that was super effective when
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he was effective when he wasn't, man he wasn't.
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But was he really effective in Calgary? I know, I'm
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not speaking of his other days in outside of Calgary.
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I'm speaking about his time in cal Well.
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Maybe I'm looking at it relatively. But when you consider
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the fact he was training for James Neil and everybody
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thought it was a Lance sloban for the Oilers, and
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it turned out to the exact opposite, it makes you.
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Think, right it ended up being Yeah, it it definitely
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ended up favoring the Flames, I'll tell you that.
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Yeah, when he destroyed Matt du Shane and Nashville that night,
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that was that was fun. Like he he contributed more
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than anybody expected. And in that respect, maybe he was overrated.
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But if this is a guy who was absolutely washed
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when he arrived in Calgary, or so we thought. So yeah,
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I'm a little mixed on that one. But uh, I'm
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surprised was any value there?
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Yeah, you're probably that's probably fair. Was was Dougie Hamilton
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an overrated player?
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Humm, Dougie Hamilton is a very good player. I always
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laugh at that skates like a deer comment from Brian Burke.
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What the hell does that even mean? But anyway, obviously
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you never watched Bamby. I don't know that he was overrated.
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I don't I feel like you know ever truly hit
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his scene it in Calgary, but he was he was
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a very strong defenseman.
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He teame with so much hype though, and like his
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defensive play in his playoff play was marginal at best.
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True.
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Yeah, that's why I think it always said we spoke
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so highly of him, and I feel like he was
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slightly overrated.
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Yeah, I don't think. I mean that's that's one of
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the reason, is Delthum right, it's I mean they talk
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about like the locker room fit and all that, but
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I really think it was more a case of he
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never quite hit the the tiers they expected of him
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in Calgary, whether they were fair or they weren't. Yeah,
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sometimes you kind of forget that he was Flame because
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there's a huge trade of the draft of Boston when
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it happened.
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But yeah, no, Yeah, it was one of those guys
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that when he left, he just fell off the radar
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so quickly and fell out of our memories so quickly.
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Yeah, I agree, underrated Flame all right. Way, Kari Ramo,
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really he's the guy that got passed around the league,
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played in the KHL like he just couldn't get a
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foothold anywhere. It was a throw in in a trade
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at the time. When he came to Calgary and had
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a pretty good playoff run in twenty fifteen, won some games,
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made some big saves, like had a great name, one
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the probably the best name of any goaltender that Calgary's
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ever seen. And now I'm thinking like Magnus Helberg and
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Nashville because that's a great name too. But yeah, he
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just he was kind of a flash in the pan,
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but I don't think we are And you could say
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the same for Jonah Hillier, but Jonas Hillar had been
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more of a pedigree going from Anaheim, right.
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Oh, he was highly touted coming out of an him.
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And Ramo wasn't. And Ramo actually asserted himself as a
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pretty decent goaltender for the Flames. So I know, we
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often talk about the big names that shocked us or
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disappointed the hell out of us, but Ramo was one that,
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you know, he deserves some moderable mention.
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So Christian who's Salius, is a guy that just fits
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to me as underrated.
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Yeah, you don't have talked about Christian as Saleh noted
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like her of my tweets that he is as being
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arguably one of the most skilled Flames players that.
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Ever else he was. He's exactly what we're looking for
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right now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, not far off. Yeah, he had wicked
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patients with the puck. Wicked patients.
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Mm hmm. Here's the one for you, Sehn Monaghan underrated
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or overrated? I think you could look at this two ways.
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Again, hindsight being what it is. I'm gonna say underrated.
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Yeah, guy who Yeah, multiple multiple thirty goal seasons, consistent
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production before his injuries, So in that avenue you could
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say he was underrated. But I could also flip the
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switch and you know, he was a weaker skater and
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his injuries piled up and never panned out to what
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we feel as potential could be. So I mean you
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could probably flip the scale on that one. I have.
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I have two Sean monahanster as will share very quickly
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because they're very simple. One was meeting Sean at a
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restaurant in Columbus, Ohio with buddy mind, Rob Sheer, and
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Sean asking us. Sean was with Milan Lucie, Travis Ammonick,
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and Rexhidano. He's like, so, what are you guys doing
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in Columbus. I'm like, we're here to see you play,
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Why the hell else would we be in Columbus? And
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then I think it was later that same season. I
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was in line getting a beer and John Monahan, Seawan's father,
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was behind me, and I turned around and I'm like, oh, hey, John,
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how are I? He's like, good, Like do I do
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I know you?
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So no?
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I said, you're Shawn's father, though, he was like, how'd
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you know? I'm like, you look exactly alike, Like there's
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no question who you are?
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You know? I have I tell a quick story here too,
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Now that you're talking about standing in lying the two
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thousand and five World Juniors in ground Forks, North Dakota,
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I'm standing in line. It was a there was a
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group of day games between Slovenia and Kazakhstan and stuff
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like that, where the weather was so brutal outside you
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just couldn't get people couldn't get to the arena, so
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it was there was hardly anybody there. I'm standing in
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line to get a hot dog or something at the
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concession stand and a quarter comes is I hear a
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quarter hit the ground right behind me, and it rolls
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up in front of me. I reached down, I picked
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the quarter up. I turn around to hand the quarter
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to the person that dropped up behind me, and it
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is Wayne Gretzky. Wow, that was pretty cool. That's tough
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one to eat, all right, Fire another overrated one at me?
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Overrated? God, there's so many. I'm trying to be able
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think of like a little bit more obscure here.
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I have a guy I'll go interrupt Jack and I'll
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do one thing you just mentioned him. And I have
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a hard time saying he was overrated because I really
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liked his play. But the cost for Calgary to get
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him was really significant. That was Travis Hammonik. That was
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a significant trade package that the Flames gave up, and
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you know, we wanted a stabilizing top defender. I feel
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like we got that a lot of his time in Calgary.
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But really, when you talk to Calgary Flames fans, the
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reviews are mixed on that.
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Well, again because the acquisition Bryce and the fact he
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never he never really asserted himself above You know what,
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we're probably a perfect six defenseman. We suspect to play
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top four and he just he couldn't hit those levels
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consistently at all. Yeah, and actually, because he's part of
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that same era, all throw in one. Now, he gave
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me the chance to think.
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Jacob Markstrom all good one.
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I think that that's a good one. I think any
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number of goaltenders could have had the same success he
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had on that Flames team in twenty one twenty two especially.
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That's actually a secret good one. Yeah, you know, he's
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another one that when we look back at his career
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in Calgary, well we can now because he's gone. But
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I mean it'll be interesting to see how we feel
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about that ten years from now, even as it we
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as it kind of marinates in our head. I I
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do think that he was I mean the expectations were
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super high. I think he went through stretches where he
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was very very good in Calgary.
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Absolutely did. And that's that's the thing, like we're not
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We're not saying the player didn't contribute things or wasn't
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really really effective. It just for the expectations amunt of
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money We paid him at a ternity, gave him what
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we spent in the trade to acquire them. A lot
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of these guys were significantly overvalued.
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I've never seen a goalie give up more for shot
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goals all than.
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Jacob marks I don't think you ever will again.
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That was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
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I still don't understand of this day, and we're years
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down the road from that, and I still think about
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it sometimes, typically when I'm trying to sleep and I can't.
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Was that not just bizarre? I probably don't see it
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again in Calgary the right word for it. Yeah, I
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have an underrated one. It wasn't a superstar, but he
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brought the speed, the grit and the secondary scoring that
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we needed. And that was Curtis glen Cross.
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Ah, my new friend, Curtis Glacrosse.
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Yes, and was I mean, could you scrip a guy
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any better than Curtis Glenn Cross for Calgary? I mean,
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he fits in perfect. He brought this team playoff energy and.
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It's a shame he wasn't part of the twenty fifteen
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run when he gets tarted to Washington. Yeah, I'm actually
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gonna look him up because I remember him just being
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so wildly consistent with Calgary. Let me just see what his.
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Arse.
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So he is from Saskatchewan. I remember that Kindersley in fact.
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Home of the Kindersley Clipper Clippers.
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Thank you for that. Uh Oh, it's so weird how
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you remember people play because he only hit twenty ten,
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twenty eleven twenty four goals as a flame twenty eleven
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twenty twelve twenty six goals. This is his career high
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forty three and forty eight points. Forty points.
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But we didn't look for him to have much more
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than that. We just we just wanted that he was
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consistent about it though, Right, he filled all He filled
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the role we needed, right, I just don't. I don't
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believe he got a lot of accolades for that.
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Oh he did not. Uh he had to try it
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with the maple leafs and he get one from the
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Avalanche right after m he played in Europe, retired a
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year later. Huh who knew? Or sorry later that you're
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way weird. But I always I was like, oh, yeah,
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he had a thirty goal season in Calgary. You know
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he didn't just felt like he did.
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Yeah, M, I get another I got another overrated one,
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and maybe he'll argue this one with me. TJ.
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Brody, I had a game more in TJ. Brody fifteen
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sixteen script Jersey that I sold. I mean, that's a
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random fact wh I threw in there. Very did very
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very well as a flame. But I mean.
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The turnovers.
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Yeah, but remember that was a weird summer too. He
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signed in Toronto. When Chris Tanev signed in Calgary, Yes,
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and everybody at the time was like, why would we
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sign a beating up, broken down Chris Tanev over keeping
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Brody and then Tanev went on to be well an
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underrated Flame.
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Christannev was the a gamer of all gamers, right, I
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mean that guy did everything.
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At that point, he'd alread even banged around so much
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nobody thought he can keep It's again, the shelf life
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and a defense one like that is so short, right, Yeah, yeah,
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he was very affective. But back to Brody. I actually
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I had a few drinks with his at the time,
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his fiance and his mother in law to be in
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the same trip in Columbus. Actually great people. He was
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very good. I mean to say overrated. I yeah, I
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could see it.
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Yeah, probably not a real cut and dried one.
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No, it's a good one though. Glad you brought him up.
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He was Yeah, number sixty six when he first played
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for the Flames, was he Yeah? Yeah, bold play?
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I like bold, you know, huh, I don't know. I'm
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I'm running low on my list. Underrated, I kind of
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feel like Rhet Warner might be on there.
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I would agree with that. Ratt Warner is.
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The key part of that zero four run. Was never
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really thought of as the superstar part of that run,
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but you know the defensive defenseman that did his job right.
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Yeah, well he was part of the return when Chris
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duriaa traded Buffalo Jerry the star American player didn't want
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to be in Calgary, and like they got a really
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good return with Stephen Ryan Pactor, htt Warner, very.
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Good return, yeah they did.
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Yeah, Warner was an excellent Flame and you know another
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big part of the Flames alumni. Here's a reel off
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the board, fun one. I'm gonna say underrated. You'll never
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ever guess it a million years, number thirty three. Defenseman
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Adrian a Coin No, well, actually excellent, very underrated. I
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loved asrianac Cooin had real research in Calgary. I was
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gonna say, Anton Babchuk.
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Oh god, okay, did you go down?
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Yeah he listened. He was not great something, but that
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bomb of a shot that was fun man. O coins
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was too. O coin was awesome. I loved Adrian a
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Coin that was actually you taught me. I'm glad I
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gave you that little prelude and who I was thinking about,
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and you guessed a coin because I wouldn't thought him
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he was a great flame.
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It's one of those you just totally forget about, you know.
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But when you said thirty three, the only player I
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could think of where in thirty three was eight or
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and a coin.
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Yeah, that's that's fair, Babchuck. I'm going to look at
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his flame stats here. This is wild man. It's so
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weird how you remember things. Eh, uh, twenty ten, twenty eleven,
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eight goals and sixty five games follow like a season
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of two goals and a season of zero goals, like
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the seven games. So he had one season that apparently
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I have very fondly remembered. So that's hilarious, also also humiliating.
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It goes it goes back to show like it'll be
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interesting to see how we remember Backland and some of
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these guys a decade from now, because we do. Every
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one of us has predetermined things in our head that
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we remember. And you know, I could say, man, I
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remember that flame and I really liked him, and you
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could be like, are you serious? You thought he was
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really good? You know, it's uh, It's funny how it works. Oh.
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Coin had ten goals in twenty five assists in his
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first season in Calgary and ten goals and twenty four
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assists in his second and only of the season in Caugrey.
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That's remarkably consistent.
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Yeah, he's a gamer every night, right, Absolutely, I'm about
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over and underrated out how about you?
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Just about This could be a two part because man,
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there's gonna be some weird names come in my head
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even after.
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We've done this, well, we may bring it as another
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topic next summer.
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About the roster right down all the players ready talked
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about though.
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That's real. Well, I'll keep I'll keep my file here
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all right percent Thanks for joining Kyle and I on
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another special edition of Thames Unfiltered. Next week we are
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back with the NHL Draft preview and we were all
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into rapt season, free agency season and what will the
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Calgary Flames do as the anticipation grows and it'll be
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exciting times in an exciting couple of weeks here to
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end out the month of June. Enjoy what is left
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of Why were Midsummer? Now? Right? Are we early Midsummer?
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All right? Please? We're back next week. Thanks again and
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enjoy the rest of your week.
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Say guess so you know the best time big prograsses
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don't play twice before the.
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Rather cut of check.
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That's not being a check, that's every one side.
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Thanks for listening to Flames Unfiltered with Brad Berude and
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Kyle Lewis your for unfiltered Calgary Flames hockey talk. Keep
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it locked on Flames Unfiltered dot ca. Subscribe where you
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Hockey Talk every week presented by Inside Edge hockeymedia Group
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Hey, Flames fans, welcome to another edition of Flames Unfiltered,
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hosted by myself, Brad Rude and Kyle Lewis, and today
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is a special episode. It's one of our off season
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special episodes, and we're going to dig deep into who
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what Flames players were over or underrated. It should be
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an interesting conversation as we roll through the off season.
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The Stanley Cup has been awarded, and uh, now I
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thing should heat up a little bit in the league.
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Yeah, well, I hope so. I mean, well, it's already
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been a few things that have happened just since that
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the Cup was awarded. They're getting too deep into it.
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Tortarello is not returning as a Vegas gold Knights coach.
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Joseph Wall get traded to Philadelphia, so immediately in the aftermath,
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we're seeing some some trade activity and noteworthy things happening
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in the coaching realm.
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And that's interesting, Yeah, it is. So let's talk about
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some of the players who were overrated as Calgary Flames,
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and we'll end with the underrated guys, some of the
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secret Flames players that were a lot better than they
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were probably given credit for.
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Well, let's let's start with something that I feel is underrated,
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you might feel as overrated. It's it's it's it's blasty,
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right the studiom mark. So the rumors persist, the blast
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he is gonna go away or be minimal and next
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year's Jerseys game, we'll see. But I'm buying up all
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the blast. The stuff I can find in the sweatshirt
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is no exception. So well underrated anyway, All right, Okay,
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So you know Brad deserves a ton of credit for
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not just a production of our show, but also the
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creative content, especially when it comes to off season episodes.
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This is where he really shines. So I'm gonna let
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you take the lead on who you feel is either
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an underrated or overrated flame.
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I'm my first guy that I think of, and I
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you know this. You know, sometimes things in life, whether
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it be a song or you know, whatever, brings you
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back to a time of what you were doing in
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your life.
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Absolutely.
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I remember we were remodeling our house. We had completely
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gutted our house. The bottom two levels were done. We
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were living in the bottom two levels, which my kids
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had their bedrooms, but my wife and I were on
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a blow up mattress as I laid in the blow
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up Mattress. One night, I see that the Flames have
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signed a giant free agent named James Neil. Remember exactly
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where I was when I phoned that out, and that's
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where I was. And could he have not been more overrated?
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Just a disaster contract that uh just he just he
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has never clicked in Calgary.
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No, it was a miserable experiment when we'd all like
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to forget. I don't like he came with a lot
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of hype, but I mean in hindsight being what it is,
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I mean even at the time he was not overrated
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by any stretch, but I think as a signing he
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was significantly overrated. So in that respect, yeah, you're you're
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bang on.
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He was.
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That was exciting at the time.
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Yeah.
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Probably with the Ontario.
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He went south quick.
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As quick or quicker or not as quick as Troy Brower.
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About the same, that's a try. He's on my list too, Oh,
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I know, about the same. I mean they both just
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they just never got out of the gate, neither one
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of them. And you know what, we can throw the
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bomb on it right now. Jonathan Huberto is kind of
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there too, but not I guess to the extent of
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the James Neil.
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I think in terms of the difference between them, Neil
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was expected to do well and so it was super
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do and neither did another. Has a Hubert's case, Brower
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was known from day one to be a terrible contract.
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all were like.
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What, I was sitting on a beach when that came out,
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because then they signed him, and I want to say,
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Brian Elliott on the.
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the red pads.
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Underrated, underrated, Okay.
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Fred Brathwhite for sure, Yeah, one of the best goaltenders
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in a franchise that hasn't had a ton of stellar goaltenders.
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And we'd obviously kiper soft furn Mark Strom as well
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deserves some mention there. But I thought brath White, when
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you get traded to Saint Louis and that deal for
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Roman Turk was kind of underappreciated. He won the Flames
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a lot of games shouldn't have won. To this day,
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the save he made on the goal line with his
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stick against the Troit Red Wings in like ninety ninety
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eight or ninety nine. It's like one of the all
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time NHL saves like he was. He was a really
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good goal thunder degree.
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Yeah it was the number is crazy crazy good.
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three seasons later.
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bit at this because I don't know that he was
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as underrated in Calgary as he was throughout the league.
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success of this franchise, I feel like he's underrated and
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and and and still is under talked about in this franchise.
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I have his last Flames game Warre and Jersey in
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my basement. Really, they had the lost one he ever
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wore where I get traded to Buffalo. I. Yeah, it's
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hard to over overrate his contributions as a Flame.
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He just was so quiet about everything and just went
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about his business every night and you just got the
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job done. And he's one of those guys that's like
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when when he's gone, it's like whoa whoa, this is
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a void. We really are gonna have a hard time.
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Feeling you kind of feel bad for Chris Butler in
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Hindsig because he came back on that trail of Buffalo
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and it's like, there's no way, even though he was
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just taking the roster spot that we were held down.
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It's like, oh, I know, how do you follow those footsteps?
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Right? Yeah?
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Impossible, thou Yeah, here is a good one. Overrated Okay,
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sick stick with defenceman and his output, you know, kind
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of it showed however it was. But Jay Bolmeister, I'll
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thought he was a terrible Calgary flame.
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Did you well?
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The team did nothing when he was here. He was,
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I mean, he was a workhord a minute wise, but
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his offensive numbers were pathetic, quite frankly. And what I guess, Okay,
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so to be fair to Bolmester, I think what upsets
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me the most of why I feel he was so
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overrated even when he was brought in, was that in
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bringing him in, they they gave up on the time
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I believe was on Mike Camillary. So they gutted their
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left wing depth offensively to bring in j Bolmester. And
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I think our top line left winger at the time
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as a result of that was maybe Rene Bork, who
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had a great career as well. But it's like everything
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about the Bowmester thing and Calgary and then we'd hire
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Brent Sutter as coach. I mean everything about it was
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disastrous and it was really evident to me that it
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was a really good example of bringing in a top
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tier name did not translate to success or betterment to
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that position. Because I thought I was a defenseman, a kagreaman.
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He did nothing, he wontber when to come to Saint
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Louis and had to retire because we heard or showing
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was still a great player. But in Calgary, I was
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just like he was so meh all the time, all
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the time.
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a he had. We had high expectations, so like what
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a big name, right and.
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That was huge Yeah, six and a half million or
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something per year at the time, like his.
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Big money, big money at the time, big big, you know,
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an overrated guy that I have. This one I kind
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of struggled with when I wrote it on my list
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because he really wasn't bad in Calgary, but like overrated
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overall compared to the hype that I remember watching him
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in the World Juniors in five and that was Dionne Finough.
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I mean he came in and his you know, with
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the massive hype his rookie year and and and quite honestly,
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he had pretty big success with tons of media attention,
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with a big shot and the hits and everything, but uh,
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it's all around game was never really at the superstar
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level that he was hyped. And then as soon as
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he left Calgary it seemed like it just dissipated to
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oblivion really, and.
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They fell off a cliff. He fell off an absolute cliff.
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And so I look at him as kind of he was.
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He's overrated man. Everybody pocks so highly of him, but
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his actions on the ice worked, is yes, so right?
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Yeah, So five oh six finished third and called her
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voting by in Crosby and a Vechkin, which anybody would
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have finished her. That you're buying those two. Yeah, the
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twenty goals, twenty nine assists, massive hits, tons of fights.
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The second season he had seventeen goals and nearly sixty points,
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I think, And then I don't, I don't know what
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happened to the guy and to this day, I wonder,
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shoot on the player. I just I really wish I
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understood what happened that his game just fell off like
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a like a cliff like he offensively completely disappeared. He
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wasn't nearly as tough. How many highlight reels have you
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seen him throwing hits and a leafs kings or senator's jersey.
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Minimal? I can remember one in Ottawa. I get like
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that are like one hands. I can count him on.
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Now the fun little side side about enough that just
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flimped on my brain. My favorite Greg Millan call was
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when Enough went to fight Yroko Rutu, when he tripped
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over skits and fact and yeah, and Millan started giggling.
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when I think of of Greg Millan, I think of
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that clip and just how funny it was because he
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couldn't hide the legitimacy of his reaction.
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Right. But I watched a few times.
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was a phenomenal flame for about two seasons. Was never
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great defensively though, and in that way, I feel he
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was overrated.
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Really he was the opposite of Robin McGee in his
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own end. Yes, like just a total rover, you know,
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took took the big hit over the smart play far
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too often. But it was hell of a lot of
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fun to watch.
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Yeah he was. I mean I often think, you know,
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like what what if he stays in Calgary? Right, I
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don't know.
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Here's another here's here's underrated. She's talked about number three
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who throw giant hits, Denny Goci.
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He the guy was a workhorse of the flames. He
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just destroyed people for a living and he was so
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he's a great guy, analyst with thirds, has been for
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a number of years, but was part of the trade
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that brought dam and Lank out of Calgary. But up
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until you know, like if got had played the four run,
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let's say, if he hadn't tore his knee up in
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the first round against Vancouver, you wonder if that would
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have been enough to make a difference, because he was
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he was quite solid defensively, but it was just a
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wrecking But he was every bit as good, if not better,
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hitter than for enough was.
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do you think when we're talking about underrated, do you
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think Michael Backland falls into that.
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I think the Flames fans know what they have in him.
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It's weird. It's weird to see old clips of him
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playing with Againla right.
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I think a vast majority of Flames fans know what
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we have in him, but I don't think they're still
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part of this core fan base that don't understand his
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defensive presence and what he does as a leader for
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this team. And he gets he gets crapped on all
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the time because he's a captain and he's not the
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big superstar that puts up tons of points. But that's
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not to me what a captain is. And I think
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far too often in hockey we just pin aceee on
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somebody that's the goal scorer and may not really truly
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be the leader. And I think Michael Backlan creates a
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calming effect and I think that's a good trade to
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in a captain and a leader. And I think outside
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of probably most of this market, he's a pretty underrated
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player in the National Hockey.
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League, I would agree, And in Calgary's case, I think
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apart from guys that get La flurry Giordono, you know,
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being the best player of the team. They have given
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the captain city guys who were just good leaders Dave Lowery,
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Bob Bugner, Todd Simpson, which has not always been the
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norm elsewhere. I mean, especially in the nineties, like it
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was guys like you know, Paul Korea obviously have the
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scene Anaheim, Tony Monte in Chicago, you know, like players
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that were just highly highly highly skilled. But but yeah, backhand,
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very curious to see how we look upon his career
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when he retires in a couple probably a couple years time,
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Know, you know, ten years from now when we're talking
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about this, like, I wonder how we look back at
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that career.
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I have an overrated one and I don't think this
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one will surprise you. But the whole time he was here,
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he got praise and praise and praise, and I just
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I never saw it. And that's Milan Lucue.
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he was effective when he wasn't, man he wasn't.
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not speaking of his other days in outside of Calgary.
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I'm speaking about his time in cal Well.
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Maybe I'm looking at it relatively. But when you consider
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the fact he was training for James Neil and everybody
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thought it was a Lance sloban for the Oilers, and
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it turned out to the exact opposite, it makes you.
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Think, right it ended up being Yeah, it it definitely
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ended up favoring the Flames, I'll tell you that.
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Yeah, when he destroyed Matt du Shane and Nashville that night,
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that was that was fun. Like he he contributed more
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than anybody expected. And in that respect, maybe he was overrated.
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when he arrived in Calgary, or so we thought. So yeah,
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I'm a little mixed on that one. But uh, I'm
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surprised was any value there?
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Yeah, you're probably that's probably fair. Was was Dougie Hamilton
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an overrated player?
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Humm, Dougie Hamilton is a very good player. I always
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laugh at that skates like a deer comment from Brian Burke.
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What the hell does that even mean? But anyway, obviously
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you never watched Bamby. I don't know that he was overrated.
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I don't I feel like you know ever truly hit
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his scene it in Calgary, but he was he was
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a very strong defenseman.
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He teame with so much hype though, and like his
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defensive play in his playoff play was marginal at best.
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so highly of him, and I feel like he was
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slightly overrated.
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the reason, is Delthum right, it's I mean they talk
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about like the locker room fit and all that, but
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I really think it was more a case of he
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never quite hit the the tiers they expected of him
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in Calgary, whether they were fair or they weren't. Yeah,
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sometimes you kind of forget that he was Flame because
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there's a huge trade of the draft of Boston when
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it happened.
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But yeah, no, Yeah, it was one of those guys
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that when he left, he just fell off the radar
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so quickly and fell out of our memories so quickly.
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Yeah, I agree, underrated Flame all right. Way, Kari Ramo,
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really he's the guy that got passed around the league,
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played in the KHL like he just couldn't get a
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foothold anywhere. It was a throw in in a trade
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at the time. When he came to Calgary and had
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a pretty good playoff run in twenty fifteen, won some games,
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made some big saves, like had a great name, one
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the probably the best name of any goaltender that Calgary's
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ever seen. And now I'm thinking like Magnus Helberg and
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Nashville because that's a great name too. But yeah, he
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just he was kind of a flash in the pan,
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but I don't think we are And you could say
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the same for Jonah Hillier, but Jonas Hillar had been
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more of a pedigree going from Anaheim, right.
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Oh, he was highly touted coming out of an him.
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And Ramo wasn't. And Ramo actually asserted himself as a
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pretty decent goaltender for the Flames. So I know, we
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often talk about the big names that shocked us or
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disappointed the hell out of us, but Ramo was one that,
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you know, he deserves some moderable mention.
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So Christian who's Salius, is a guy that just fits
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to me as underrated.
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Yeah, you don't have talked about Christian as Saleh noted
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like her of my tweets that he is as being
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arguably one of the most skilled Flames players that.
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Ever else he was. He's exactly what we're looking for
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right now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, not far off. Yeah, he had wicked
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patients with the puck. Wicked patients.
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Mm hmm. Here's the one for you, Sehn Monaghan underrated
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or overrated? I think you could look at this two ways.
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Again, hindsight being what it is. I'm gonna say underrated.
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Yeah, guy who Yeah, multiple multiple thirty goal seasons, consistent
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production before his injuries, So in that avenue you could
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say he was underrated. But I could also flip the
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switch and you know, he was a weaker skater and
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his injuries piled up and never panned out to what
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we feel as potential could be. So I mean you
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could probably flip the scale on that one. I have.
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I have two Sean monahanster as will share very quickly
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because they're very simple. One was meeting Sean at a
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restaurant in Columbus, Ohio with buddy mind, Rob Sheer, and
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Sean asking us. Sean was with Milan Lucie, Travis Ammonick,
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and Rexhidano. He's like, so, what are you guys doing
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in Columbus. I'm like, we're here to see you play,
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Why the hell else would we be in Columbus? And
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then I think it was later that same season. I
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was in line getting a beer and John Monahan, Seawan's father,
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was behind me, and I turned around and I'm like, oh, hey, John,
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how are I? He's like, good, Like do I do
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I know you?
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So no?
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I said, you're Shawn's father, though, he was like, how'd
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you know? I'm like, you look exactly alike, Like there's
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no question who you are?
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You know? I have I tell a quick story here too,
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Now that you're talking about standing in lying the two
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thousand and five World Juniors in ground Forks, North Dakota,
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I'm standing in line. It was a there was a
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group of day games between Slovenia and Kazakhstan and stuff
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like that, where the weather was so brutal outside you
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just couldn't get people couldn't get to the arena, so
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it was there was hardly anybody there. I'm standing in
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line to get a hot dog or something at the
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concession stand and a quarter comes is I hear a
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quarter hit the ground right behind me, and it rolls
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up in front of me. I reached down, I picked
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the quarter up. I turn around to hand the quarter
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to the person that dropped up behind me, and it
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is Wayne Gretzky. Wow, that was pretty cool. That's tough
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one to eat, all right, Fire another overrated one at me?
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Overrated? God, there's so many. I'm trying to be able
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think of like a little bit more obscure here.
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I have a guy I'll go interrupt Jack and I'll
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do one thing you just mentioned him. And I have
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a hard time saying he was overrated because I really
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liked his play. But the cost for Calgary to get
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him was really significant. That was Travis Hammonik. That was
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a significant trade package that the Flames gave up, and
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you know, we wanted a stabilizing top defender. I feel
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like we got that a lot of his time in Calgary.
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reviews are mixed on that.
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Well, again because the acquisition Bryce and the fact he
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never he never really asserted himself above You know what,
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we're probably a perfect six defenseman. We suspect to play
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top four and he just he couldn't hit those levels
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consistently at all. Yeah, and actually, because he's part of
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that same era, all throw in one. Now, he gave
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me the chance to think.
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Jacob Markstrom all good one.
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I think that that's a good one. I think any
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number of goaltenders could have had the same success he
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had on that Flames team in twenty one twenty two especially.
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That's actually a secret good one. Yeah, you know, he's
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another one that when we look back at his career
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in Calgary, well we can now because he's gone. But
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I mean it'll be interesting to see how we feel
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about that ten years from now, even as it we
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as it kind of marinates in our head. I I
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do think that he was I mean the expectations were
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super high. I think he went through stretches where he
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was very very good in Calgary.
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Absolutely did. And that's that's the thing, like we're not
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We're not saying the player didn't contribute things or wasn't
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really really effective. It just for the expectations amunt of
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money We paid him at a ternity, gave him what
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we spent in the trade to acquire them. A lot
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of these guys were significantly overvalued.
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I've never seen a goalie give up more for shot
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goals all than.
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Jacob marks I don't think you ever will again.
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That was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
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I still don't understand of this day, and we're years
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down the road from that, and I still think about
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it sometimes, typically when I'm trying to sleep and I can't.
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Was that not just bizarre? I probably don't see it
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again in Calgary the right word for it. Yeah, I
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have an underrated one. It wasn't a superstar, but he
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brought the speed, the grit and the secondary scoring that
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we needed. And that was Curtis glen Cross.
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Ah, my new friend, Curtis Glacrosse.
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Yes, and was I mean, could you scrip a guy
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any better than Curtis Glenn Cross for Calgary? I mean,
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he fits in perfect. He brought this team playoff energy and.
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It's a shame he wasn't part of the twenty fifteen
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run when he gets tarted to Washington. Yeah, I'm actually
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gonna look him up because I remember him just being
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so wildly consistent with Calgary. Let me just see what his.
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Arse.
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So he is from Saskatchewan. I remember that Kindersley in fact.
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Home of the Kindersley Clipper Clippers.
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Thank you for that. Uh Oh, it's so weird how
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you remember people play because he only hit twenty ten,
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twenty eleven twenty four goals as a flame twenty eleven
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twenty twelve twenty six goals. This is his career high
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forty three and forty eight points. Forty points.
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But we didn't look for him to have much more
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than that. We just we just wanted that he was
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consistent about it though, Right, he filled all He filled
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the role we needed, right, I just don't. I don't
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believe he got a lot of accolades for that.
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Oh he did not. Uh he had to try it
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with the maple leafs and he get one from the
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Avalanche right after m he played in Europe, retired a
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year later. Huh who knew? Or sorry later that you're
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way weird. But I always I was like, oh, yeah,
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he had a thirty goal season in Calgary. You know
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he didn't just felt like he did.
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Yeah, M, I get another I got another overrated one,
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and maybe he'll argue this one with me. TJ.
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Brody, I had a game more in TJ. Brody fifteen
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sixteen script Jersey that I sold. I mean, that's a
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random fact wh I threw in there. Very did very
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very well as a flame. But I mean.
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The turnovers.
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Yeah, but remember that was a weird summer too. He
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signed in Toronto. When Chris Tanev signed in Calgary, Yes,
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and everybody at the time was like, why would we
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sign a beating up, broken down Chris Tanev over keeping
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Brody and then Tanev went on to be well an
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underrated Flame.
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Christannev was the a gamer of all gamers, right, I
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mean that guy did everything.
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At that point, he'd alread even banged around so much
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nobody thought he can keep It's again, the shelf life
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and a defense one like that is so short, right, Yeah, yeah,
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he was very affective. But back to Brody. I actually
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I had a few drinks with his at the time,
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his fiance and his mother in law to be in
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the same trip in Columbus. Actually great people. He was
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very good. I mean to say overrated. I yeah, I
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could see it.
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Yeah, probably not a real cut and dried one.
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No, it's a good one though. Glad you brought him up.
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He was Yeah, number sixty six when he first played
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for the Flames, was he Yeah? Yeah, bold play?
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I like bold, you know, huh, I don't know. I'm
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I'm running low on my list. Underrated, I kind of
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feel like Rhet Warner might be on there.
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I would agree with that. Ratt Warner is.
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The key part of that zero four run. Was never
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really thought of as the superstar part of that run,
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but you know the defensive defenseman that did his job right.
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Yeah, well he was part of the return when Chris
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duriaa traded Buffalo Jerry the star American player didn't want
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to be in Calgary, and like they got a really
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good return with Stephen Ryan Pactor, htt Warner, very.
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Good return, yeah they did.
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Yeah, Warner was an excellent Flame and you know another
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big part of the Flames alumni. Here's a reel off
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the board, fun one. I'm gonna say underrated. You'll never
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ever guess it a million years, number thirty three. Defenseman
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Adrian a Coin No, well, actually excellent, very underrated. I
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loved asrianac Cooin had real research in Calgary. I was
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gonna say, Anton Babchuk.
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Oh god, okay, did you go down?
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Yeah he listened. He was not great something, but that
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bomb of a shot that was fun man. O coins
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was too. O coin was awesome. I loved Adrian a
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Coin that was actually you taught me. I'm glad I
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gave you that little prelude and who I was thinking about,
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and you guessed a coin because I wouldn't thought him
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he was a great flame.
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It's one of those you just totally forget about, you know.
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But when you said thirty three, the only player I
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could think of where in thirty three was eight or
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and a coin.
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Yeah, that's that's fair, Babchuck. I'm going to look at
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his flame stats here. This is wild man. It's so
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weird how you remember things. Eh, uh, twenty ten, twenty eleven,
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eight goals and sixty five games follow like a season
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of two goals and a season of zero goals, like
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the seven games. So he had one season that apparently
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I have very fondly remembered. So that's hilarious, also also humiliating.
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It goes it goes back to show like it'll be
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interesting to see how we remember Backland and some of
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these guys a decade from now, because we do. Every
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one of us has predetermined things in our head that
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we remember. And you know, I could say, man, I
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remember that flame and I really liked him, and you
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could be like, are you serious? You thought he was
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really good? You know, it's uh, It's funny how it works. Oh.
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Coin had ten goals in twenty five assists in his
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first season in Calgary and ten goals and twenty four
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assists in his second and only of the season in Caugrey.
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That's remarkably consistent.
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Yeah, he's a gamer every night, right, Absolutely, I'm about
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over and underrated out how about you?
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Just about This could be a two part because man,
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there's gonna be some weird names come in my head
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even after.
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We've done this, well, we may bring it as another
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topic next summer.
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About the roster right down all the players ready talked
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about though.
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That's real. Well, I'll keep I'll keep my file here
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all right percent Thanks for joining Kyle and I on
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another special edition of Thames Unfiltered. Next week we are
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back with the NHL Draft preview and we were all
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into rapt season, free agency season and what will the
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Calgary Flames do as the anticipation grows and it'll be
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exciting times in an exciting couple of weeks here to
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end out the month of June. Enjoy what is left
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of Why were Midsummer? Now? Right? Are we early Midsummer?
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All right? Please? We're back next week. Thanks again and
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enjoy the rest of your week.
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Say guess so you know the best time big prograsses
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don't play twice before the.
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Rather cut of check.
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That's not being a check, that's every one side.
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Thanks for listening to Flames Unfiltered with Brad Berude and
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