FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 10 September 2026

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Speaker 3: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 4: Nine minutes after six. Good morning to you. Welcome to Thursday on 5AA Breakfast. It is the 10th of September. Coming up on the program this morning, the Premier, Peter Malinowskis, after 8.30. If you pick up an Oz today, you'll see an opinion piece he has written. If you watch any form of digital news today, you're going to see a lot of quotes from the Premier with regard to a speech he did last night at the Sydney Institute about immigration. Not traditionally within the purview of the states, but certainly within his sights last night. Really explosive quotes. The awokening he talked about, the lies on the right, the constant need for people on the left to get everyone to apologise for things that they've done wrong. He just really took no prisoners. We'll get into that with the Premier after 8.30 today. I'm sure it's something Matt Abraham will have a bit to say about after 7.30 today as we dissect the week in spin and determine the week's biggest lever. Looking forward to that. Fitzy with his tips ahead of... A huge slate of finals action. The AFL team's come out tonight and Tom Wren will give us some insight into that in a moment. An interview I encourage you to stick around for after 6.30 today. Former soldier Kabora Ali, who has written a book about her extraordinary life as someone who emigrated to Australia and much to the concern of her parents, ended up thinking the best way to repay the country for taking her family in would be to join the Defence Force. Her story is a remarkable one, and you're going to want to hear it after 6.30. Stacey Lee, good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: Are you caught up in technology fever this morning? What's going on in the world?
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Speaker 5: Expensive tech.
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Speaker 4: Expensive stuff just coming out left, right, and centre. So overnight, the new CEO of Apple, should we say, Tim Cook's left. So this is the new guy's first chance of doing a new product launch, released the flip phone. We'll come back to that because I know we've got differing thoughts on that one. You saw the world's most expensive toothbrush the other day.
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Speaker 5: Dyson has released a new toothbrush this week, and it costs $ 800. $ 800? For a toothbrush.
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Speaker 4: What does it do?
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Speaker 5: I don't really know the technology behind it. Dyson, I guess they're leaders in different technology. I've got their hair dryer.
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Speaker 4: Their stuff looks cool, so I guess you pay for the aesthetic.
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Speaker 5: Really good hair dryer. I don't know if anyone's got $ 800 for a toothbrush.
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Speaker 4: So let's imagine, let's do the economics on this. So if it meant you didn't have to buy toothpaste or toothbrushes for a period of how many years would it have to be before it made paper? You're talking a decade probably.
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Speaker 5: But you can get, even if you just want an entry-level electric toothbrush, you can get them for $ 20 from Woolies.
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Speaker 6: They're not.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was even just thinking the old analogue toothbrush with the toothpaste included.
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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Even the fancy version, the electric one, is still cheap.
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Speaker 4: That's a lot of money. So too is this new folding iPhone that's come out overnight.
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Speaker 7: Future-focused tech giant Apple is bringing back a blast from the past, unveiling their new flip phone. It's the first product launched under new CEO John Ternus and the biggest development since removing the physical home button from its handsets. potentially setting customers back over $ 2, 000.
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Speaker 4: So the innovation is it folds in half. So presumably you can get a bigger screen into your pocket. Did they just say $ 3, 500?
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 4: So $ 3, 500 in laptop land gets you the most state-of-the-art laptop you can just about buy, probably. Yes, there are extreme cases where you could load it up with RAM, and if you're someone in an industry that cuts movies for a living, maybe you go a bit more powerful. But generally speaking, that would get you the most powerful computer you would possibly ever want. Or a slightly bigger iPhone. I don't get that one.
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Speaker 5: I get it.
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Speaker 4: I love this idea.
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Speaker 5: So what's the appeal to you? Is it a Samsung that's foldable?
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Speaker 9: Yes.
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Speaker 5: And it's super popular. And I've seen people use it. If the iPhone works in a similar way that you can have multiple things open, so on one side you can have.
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Speaker 4: Oh, so it's like having two monitors. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Because, you know, when you... It happened to me the other day. I had to pay someone on an invoice and you have to go from your email back to your scroll through to your banking app and enter their BSB and their account number and then you lose it.
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Speaker 4: So you can have two windows open.
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Speaker 5: You can have two windows open at the same time if you want to do two things. I also like the idea that the phone itself is smaller. Takes up less room in your pocket.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 5: Takes up less room in your handbag.
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Speaker 4: I see the pitch. I'm not seeing $ 3, 500 worth of pitch.
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm going to buy it for $ 3, 500. I like the idea of it. I'll wait for another five years until it gets cheaper.
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Speaker 4: Do you know what I see? And I don't know, maybe this is just me. I see a hinge, I see a fold, and I see more stuff that can break.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: It is something else that might not work at some point in time after 18 months.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: It will be programmed into the phone.
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Speaker 4: Invariably, that hinge is going to stop working and it's going to be half hanging together and so forth. Interesting concept, though.
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Speaker 5: More screens to replace when you accidentally sit on it.
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Speaker 11: Correct.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably have to replace both of them at twice the cost. If you could double anything like an iPhone screen, what would it be, folks?
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Speaker 11: 8223 0000.
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Speaker 4: Text us on. 044-808-1395. So once you've got one screen, this is Apple's. This is interesting, too. I imagine this product would have been in train well before the new CEO. The new CEO of Apple is from the design side. So they often, some will come from, like any business, from the sales side, or they might come from the marketing side, or they might be technicians themselves. The guy who's now is one of their big design experts. Right, that makes sense. So everyone's expecting we might see a new generation of really wild sort of stuff. What would be better off doubled? 8223 0000, text us on 024808 1395.
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Speaker 5: I could do with two TV remotes.
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Speaker 4: So if you lose one, you've got a redundancy built in.
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Speaker 5: Why is there only ever one?
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Speaker 4: That's a great point. Why are they so losable?
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Speaker 8: And breakable.
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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but ours always break.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you just wait. Molly's only one. They're only going to get more broken as children pick them up and realise that remotes are really fun to play with. Can we get two Isaac Rankins for this Saturday night? Can we speak to Apple about that? That'd help. 8223 0000. What would you like to see doubled if you could get something doubled? I mean, I think to some extent, we here in South Australia pioneered this, the double cut roll. I think Apple drew inspiration from the double cut roll in doubling the iPhone screen.
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Speaker 5: I saw a video the other day of a lady eating a Big Mac, which I guess is Macca's version of a double cut roll.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I guess it is.
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Speaker 5: And she had a really strange way of eating it. And I wonder if anyone ate their double cut rolls this way. You know how there's three pieces of bread? She took the top bun and the middle bun and separated that as its own mini burger and ate that as one burger. And then she took the other bit as in like an open, almost like an open burger without the lid and ate that separately.
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Speaker 4: I've never seen anyone do that with a burger. I think that's fairly common with a double cut roll.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: That's how, yeah. I thought that. I thought, actually, that's pretty genius.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good.
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Speaker 5: I wonder if people eat their double cut rolls like that.
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Speaker 4: I've never seen that with a burger before, though. That's excellent. They are all doubled. What would you like to see doubled? 8223 0000. We'll get to some of your texts and calls in just a moment.
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Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 4: 21 minutes after six, lots of text coming through on what you'd like to see doubled. The Apple people have doubled the size of the iPhone screen. In fact, they've given you two screens. That's how they've doubled it. They've just about doubled the price in the process. Got us thinking what else should be doubled. Raymond in Salisbury Plains, good morning. Good morning, folks.
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Speaker 14: Good morning, Adelaide.
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Speaker 9: I'd like to see my bank balance doubled.
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Speaker 4: That'd be nice. I think that's the most obvious one. That's good.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: We'll take that. Thank you, Raymond. Frank in Birkenhead, what would you like to see doubled?
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Speaker 9: Good morning, Will and Stacey. Always lovely to talk to you. Will, do you remember years ago, 20 or 30 years ago, they said in relation to hamburgers, it takes two hands to handle a wobbler.
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Speaker 12: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 9: Hamburger the true way they used to be 20-odd years ago. The billboards in the shops, they look so big and so deceiving. They're nothing like they used to be. They're half the size, mate.
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Speaker 14: That's what I'd.
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Speaker 4: Like to see. So you're doubling it back to what it originally was. That's good. That's a good idea.
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Speaker 5: The opposite of shrinkflation.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Everything just gets smaller and the price gets larger. Ridiculous. The most offensive version of that is when it's a chocolate bar or some confectionery and the company says, well, given modern sensitivities about healthy eating and people's calorie consciousness, we've decided to make the small delicious snack slightly smaller. Oh, cool. Thanks for thinking of us.
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Speaker 5: Make the price slightly smaller too?
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Speaker 4: No, can't do that. No, no, no, no. Why would we do that? Well, the price is an important barrier to your healthy eating choices.
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Speaker 5: Brent had a similar thought. to Raymond. He said, better off double in my pocket, easy money. Yeah, so a lot of people are going along with that. Whereas Chris says, I tell you what we don't need doubled is speed limit signs on the side of the road every 10 metres.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what it was like in Sydney, but we have the most stupidly confusing system of speed limits in South Australia. Depending on which suburb you're in and which time of day and what style of road, it legitimately could be any number of three or four different speeds.
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Speaker 5: It's ridiculous. I mean, don't get me started on school zones again.
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Speaker 4: That's a great case in point, though.
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Speaker 5: The other day I went through a school zone and I was very aware of it and I slowed down, but Couldn't see the end school zone sign. So I didn't know where it ended. I didn't know when I could go back up.
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Speaker 4: Are you still driving it?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: 25 k's an hour.
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Speaker 5: My car is still on Port Rush Road.
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Speaker 4: Somebody said, I bet the Premier would like Live Golf doubled. Can you double nothing? I didn't learn much in maths at school, but I don't think you can double nothing. I'm not sure we have. Does Live Golf exist or is it just a memory now?
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Speaker 5: Is it happening next year?
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Speaker 12: It feels.
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Speaker 6: Anyway.
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Speaker 5: Anyway.
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Speaker 4: I saw Nick Champion made the point yesterday where this is a Chapter 11 bankruptcy in America, which is sort of a deck shuffling exercise whereby they can sort of, you know, clear out some liabilities and, you know, all systems go, which felt a little optimistic to me.
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Speaker 5: The players haven't been paid.
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Speaker 4: Especially when they're discharging the players from their obligations. Terry in Clemson, good morning. What would you double, Terry?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 15: I'd like to double the amount of fuel we get for the amount of money we're paying.
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Speaker 4: Well, I wonder how far back. I bet there's a website that does this. So say we're at $ 2 a litre now. What year was $ 1 a litre petrol? When did it break through $ 1 a litre? It must have been 20 years ago. Yeah, it was a big psychological barrier.
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Speaker 5: Going over that 99.9. And remember when we used to have a regular cycle? Well, yeah, that's right. When on Tuesday it would be cheap. and it would just continue to go up and then back down on Tuesday or whatever day of the week it was.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 4: Who knows? No cycle. I doubled the temperature this morning. It's six degrees outside. I wouldn't double it in Canberra because it's minus 0.3, so it would only get worse. Now, feels like 4.5 in Adelaide. It's cold out there. Top of 19, though. That's the good news. Sunny. Today is actually going to be beautiful. What you're getting this morning is the leftover of yesterday's Cold snap. But as the sun comes up today, and it looks like it's starting to emerge from behind the hills, you're going to get a magnificent spring day in Adelaide. 19, the expected top. Tomorrow's going to be similar. Cool start. 21, then we'll get to the top. Saturday, that warmth starts to bed in a bit. 12 overnight and 23 on Saturday. 23 on Sunday and then 23 on Monday. And what was originally... A day that we were describing as a bit showery and springy on Monday. Looks like now that's not going to be an issue. Zero to one millimetre of rain. So maybe a little afternoon shower, but still stays at 23. Cools down a bit for the middle of next week. 19 on Tuesday and 17 on Wednesday. But otherwise, you've made it through the genuinely cold period. Once you get to about lunchtime today, I reckon, then it's going to be magnificent.
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Speaker 5: It looked really nice yesterday afternoon, but the minute you went outside, there was a very icy breeze. It was very cold.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. It was wintry, that's for sure.
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Speaker 5: JG on the text line, morning team. I'd like to see the double blues win the premiership.
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Speaker 4: Is that David Pemberthy?
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind just the number of wins Port had this season being doubled.
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Speaker 4: That would be good. How many do they have? How many wins did Port have? Not enough. If you double them to get to finals? I don't want to. I'm not going to tease. Speaking of David, he texted last night, and for long-time followers of the program, he didn't double the number of barbecues he has, but he did add to it. He texted me the Spanish version of Bunnings and the barbecue he just bought. So I think that's about number 11, 12? I'm not so sure.
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Speaker 5: Can he bring that home in the suitcase?
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Speaker 4: I don't think so. They've tightened up the carry-on rules. You can't even take a barbecue on a flight anymore.
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Speaker 5: I hope he's not flying jets now.
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Speaker 4: 27 after 6. We'll talk sport with Tom Wren in a moment. He's about to wander in. to the studio. Tom Wren, good morning to you. Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 8: Good morning, Stacey.
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Speaker 16: Hey, I know you've both been all over this, and I'm pretty excited as well. A little over 24 hours away. NFL season starts today, but the first game here in Australia, it has totally gripped Melbourne. It has taken over, and we're not here. It's probably a bit like Gather Round is for us or Live Golf. It's enveloped the entire community over there. And it's really interesting because the San Francisco 49ers, they've been there for about a week now. The LA Rams, who they're playing against, have literally just touched down in probably the last hour.
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Speaker 4: That's amazing. And they're going to run out and play tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 16: Now, you might be thinking that's a huge disadvantage. I've heard some sleep experts say that it's actually better to do it the way the LA Rams are doing it.
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Speaker 8: Which seems bizarre.
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Speaker 4: I don't get that.
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Speaker 5: I was reading a comparison of their body clocks and how they work, and I saw the same thing from a sleep expert, that it probably is better to get off the plane and pretty much play straight and stay on US time. As long as they got a good sleep on the flight.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's a big if, isn't it?
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Speaker 5: Imagine getting eight hours on a flight, Emma.
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Speaker 4: Have you seen the plane they flew out on? It'd be like first class, wouldn't it? So they charted an A380 that is nothing but sweets. So every single person got a sweet.
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Speaker 5: Okay, well, they probably did get ahead of us.
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Speaker 4: One of their players, I was watching it this morning, put up a video online, and you go into this little room, and you've got the foldable lay-down bed and a TV and a little thing, and it's not a flying that anyone would recognise.
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Speaker 16: So, it's not like, put your tray table up, please, because, you know, you kick the back of the other chair in front of you.
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Speaker 4: Imagine being 6'8 and 392 pounds.
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Speaker 8: It's amazing.
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Speaker 4: Offensive lineman.
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Speaker 16: And, Will, the other thing is, and Stacey, last year, they did the same thing. They went to London, and they won. And they arrived 24 hours before the game, so. It's something that's worked for them in the past. That said, what it has done for San Francisco, and I'm not sure how interested they are in this or not, but by arriving early and really embracing the culture and the food and the people, they've been to footy games, AFL games. Melbourne's fallen in love with the San Francisco 49ers, so you've got 80% of the crowd tomorrow that are going to dress up in red because they're saying, you've embraced us, we'll embrace you. So I think that's great because people want to root for someone, and I think it's going to be San Francisco because they've said, we love you, Melbourne. We want to be Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant, last in the draft. They've said, we love your coffee, and you know what it's like when people come in and adorn you with compliments of course you're going to get embraced so yeah i think it's really.
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Speaker 4: Can i ask you a question then the that goes to the federation of australia and some of our tenants as sporting fans renny if the san francisco 49ers are melbourne's team by definition of the rams adelaide's team it's a great question.
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Speaker 8: Well, remember, Brendan Sanderson made that comparison to the Baltimore Ravens.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 8: All those years ago.
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Speaker 10: He did, yeah.
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Speaker 8: Saying, you know, the crow, they won it, and maybe it's the year of the crow, the bird.
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Speaker 4: I think we ripped off their logo as well. The Baltimore Ravens. It's just the Ravens facing the other direction.
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Speaker 8: They do look very similar, don't they?
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Speaker 5: I've always been a fan of the Bring Back the Rams campaign.
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Speaker 4: Oh, the Adelaide Rams.
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Speaker 8: The Adelaide Rams, late 90s. Yeah, I remember.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Then what a time to be alive.
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Speaker 8: It was great, wasn't it? R-A-N-S.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, so look, we'll see how that goes tomorrow, whether it's a long-term thing, but I'm excited for it. No late issues for the Crows at training last night. They got through, I think, Zach Taylor. Teams tonight, I think Zach Taylor's probably going to come in. I'm quite happy with that.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Ball in hand, he's fantastic.
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Speaker 8: I'd love to see him in the midfield. Not this year, Will, but.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's such a smart user.
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Speaker 8: Nick needs to build his tank, though.
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Speaker 4: Who's he coming for, Rennie?
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Speaker 8: Maybe coming... But I don't know. Anyone else?
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Speaker 4: No, nothing immediately comes to mind. I have to put some real thought into that.
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Speaker 10: Tough call.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it will be a tough call.
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Speaker 16: But I like him with the ball in hand, like you said.
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Speaker 8: Very skilful.
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Speaker 4: Good on you, Renny.
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Speaker 17: Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 8: 20-7.
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Speaker 4: Daniel on the text line makes the, I think, pertinent observation that Pembo will be able to fly home with his new barbecue if he gets a note from his doctor saying it is a comfort barbecue. Thank you, Daniel. I'll pass that text on. Someone here points out the Opals beat Italy by two points onto the quarterfinals in the World Championships in Berlin. At the moment, go girls. Good on you. Thank you for that text. And how about our resident stats man? on old TVs and indeed the NFL game tomorrow. He's managed to pass the two subjects. The first ever televised NFL game was October 22, 1939 between Philadelphia and Brooklyn. Only 1,000 people watched it because TVs at the time were so scarce. Thank you to our resident statsman, Ben Jordan.
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Speaker 5: We talk often about impressive Adelaide people here on 5AA, and I think our next guest is exactly one of those. Kabora Ali is a refugee, a survivor. She's a trailblazer, and she was the first Afghanistani woman to enter the Australian army. And she's written a book along with her sister. It's called First of Her Kind, and she joins us in the studio this morning. Good morning to you, Kibora.
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Speaker 18: Good morning. Thank you so much for having me here. I'm super excited to speak to you both today.
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Speaker 5: Well, we appreciate it. My first interaction with you is one you wouldn't know about, but it was at the Advertiser Woman of the Year Awards a couple of years ago. And I was there when you were named the South Australian Woman of the Year. And you got up on stage and just spoke so gracefully and eloquently. And it was a story that I hadn't heard before. So then when I saw that you were writing a book, I thought we have to get you on to talk about it because you've got what I think is such an interesting story for so many South Australians, I guess. Is that the reason why you wanted to write a book and put it into book form?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think I've, you know, when I was younger, I've always, you know, that's the first things I learned. And that's how I learned English was, you know, from books, picture books. And yeah, really, I'm someone who articulates myself through writing. And I think that was how I would have wanted people to know me beyond my awards and those titles, and especially the Woman of the Year award. And it's, what a small world to meet you now.
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Speaker 5: It's very Adelaide, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: So you were nine when you arrived in Australia?
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Speaker 18: Yes, yeah.
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Speaker 4: What was your impression of Australia? What does a nine-year-old or an eight-year-old know about Australia?
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Speaker 18: I didn't know much. I just knew it was a world that was so different to what I was used to. And I remember the first day when I came, it was a beautiful sunny morning in March and the roads, everything was so like beautiful, clean. And the cars, we had to put seatbelt on and that was not normal because where I was used to, we used to cramp as many people as you can in the car because, you know, to get to places, most of the time we used to walk. But when the times we did have a car, everyone was crammed up. And yes, wearing a seatbelt, seeing red lights, um, all that is, you know, quite, um, The infrastructure makes Australia such an incredible place.
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Speaker 5: And you're one of seven. So I imagine it was hard to fit into one car as a family.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, one of seven. So when we first came, the Australian Border Force was like, you're a whole soccer team.
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Speaker 4: So at 18, you just, I mean, I meet 18-year-olds these days and they seem like kids. But you're 18, you're an adult technically, and you make a decision now. to join the Australian Army. So how long had that been percolating as an idea and what led, what fed into that decision?
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Speaker 18: Eighteen for me. I think I was really mature at that age because in our life, for those listeners who will be reading the book, you kind of have to mature very quickly. You have to grow up. I say I lost my childhood in the pursuit of trying to make it into a new country. So I just knew... that I was doing the right thing, giving back to my country. And I had actually signed up, I think it was during year 11 or 12. I can't remember exactly the time, but I came here in town. I did the testing and I had a few jobs that I could sign up for. And the person who was speaking to me, he said, do you want to leave school now? And I said, no, education is priority for me. So he said, come back after year 12. So that's what I did. That's right. After year 12.
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Speaker 5: How did it, How did it go down with your family when you said you wanted to become a member of the Australian Army?
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Speaker 18: I only told my mum and dad when I actually got my enlistment date. That's when you've been actually given a formal letter that you've been accepted and you're about to go. So that was obviously a very tough conversation I had to have for parents who've, you know, tried to escape war all of their life and try to survive and make it to a safe place and it was not a comfortable time to have that conversation because you know um our life was just our life just got comfortable and here i was stepping away from home i.
00:23:56
Speaker 4: Don't want to skip past something you said there that you wanted to give back to your country that's a profound thing to to think about and have embraced over a period of a 10 years of your life that how would you describe that feeling it was like a calling.
00:24:10
Speaker 18: I would say only because every country that we've been to, like, we haven't been identified as citizens. So Australia was the only place that has given us citizenship. And during the citizen ceremony, you get up and give an oath. And I remember saying them word by word, and it just gave me goosebumps because, you know, you feel such a, it's such a pride to be called an Australian. And I remember that day, I was like, I want to do something back to Australia.
00:24:41
Speaker 4: Does it get, is it tricky at all coming from a different country, being born in a different country than getting into the Defence Force? How are you accepted when you get in and is that process more difficult?
00:24:50
Speaker 18: Yeah, 100%. I think, if anything, that was the most difficult part while I was doing Year 12, like exams and all that. And I remember, like, I was questioned about my name. I was questioned about my birth certificate. These are things that, you know, a birth certificate is something common that Afghanistan people don't have And that's something I didn't have. So I kind of had to prove myself every step of the way before even I got to put on the uniform.
00:25:19
Speaker 5: Yeah. And there are so many decisions that you've made along the way to get to that point. I was interested in one part of your journey where you made the choice to remove your headscarf after you arrived in Australia. How difficult was that decision for you and how was that received amongst family and friends?
00:25:40
Speaker 18: Um, so I wore the headscarf up until the first day I went to Kabuka. Um, I took it off, um, only because I felt like I didn't fit in. This is 10 years ago. And at that time, you know, our defense force was still growing in diversity. So, uh, I didn't see anyone in headscarves. So I was like, I might take it off to fit in and blend in with everyone else only because I wanted to focus on training and pass. Um, so that was obviously not an easy decision for me to make because that's, you know, part of my identity, but I made it because sometimes you kind of, especially at that age, you're still trying to find yourself and some part, I had to lose some part of my identity with it.
00:26:22
Speaker 5: And how does that decision sit with you now?
00:26:25
Speaker 18: You know, now I'm quite mature and as a 29 year old, I feel very comfortable with my identity and I still reflect back. I wish I wore it, but at the same time, I feel proud because I kind of changed that with a slouch hat. I earned that with a rising badge.
00:26:44
Speaker 5: Well, it's a fascinating story. And you can read about it yourself. First of her kind is Kaboria's book, and it's out now. And we really appreciate your time in coming in and chatting to us, Kaboria. Thank you.
00:26:55
Speaker 18: Thank you, Stacey and Will.
00:26:56
Speaker 4: What a remarkable story. At 12 minutes to 7, let's check in at the Weather Bureau on the day ahead because the sun is just starting to peer over the buildings into the city here in Adelaide. And have a look at that on the Facebook and YouTube live stream. What a magnificent picture. Oh, look at that. I don't know if it's just foggy or someone's put a little bit of candle wax over the end of the lens, but it looks magnificent, doesn't it?
00:27:17
Speaker 8: It's beautiful.
00:27:18
Speaker 4: It's very stylised this morning, the Facebook and YouTube live stream of the hills.
00:27:21
Speaker 5: The iPhone on a stick.
00:27:22
Speaker 4: The iPhone on a stick. It either needs a wipe down or someone's tricking it up and making things look like something out of Hollywood. Let's head to the Bureau. Christy Johnson joins us. Christy, when will it get warm? Morning, Will.
00:27:36
Speaker 19: Morning, Stacey. Look, it is going to be a bit warmer today than yesterday. We only got to 15.7 yesterday, which is below average. Our average for September is about 18.5, and we're going to head much closer to that today, so top of 19 degrees. It is cool this morning, though. We're currently sitting on about 6.6. We got down to 5.8 a bit earlier, but the feels like temperature right now is still about 4 degrees. So if you're out and about this morning, it's a bit chilly, but it is going to be a beautiful sunny day. We tend to get these cool mornings when we have clear skies and light winds, and that's what we've got at the moment. And that's going to give us a beautiful sunny day, as I mentioned, atop about 19 degrees. Pretty similar around the suburbs as well, 19 for Glenelg and Elizabeth as well, no longer 18, maybe Mount Barker 16, but beautiful. And it's actually just going to get warmer over the next couple of days, 21 tomorrow and sunny, 23 and sunny on Saturday. Sunday, 23 as well, although we will start to see a clouding over ahead of perhaps a couple of showers later with the next front that's going to come through. But yeah, beautiful sunshine on the way for the next couple of days. and gradually warming up.
00:28:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, looking forward to it. It looks magnificent. Thank you for that, Christy. Christy Johnson at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Safe Bowl. It must be that weather forecast, but Stacey's hay fever's already kicked in. That was like psychological, wasn't it? It was. All right. Kimberley Broad's on the line. Kimberley, a couple of men have been arrested.
00:29:02
Speaker 12: Yeah, this was at St Peter's last night. It was about 11.30. The Eastern District Patrol stopped a Ford Ute on Payneham Road after noticing a television being carried in the rear tray. Police found there were actually three TVs, various sound equipment and a number of jewellery items located in the car. The driver and passenger of the vehicle were also searched with officers locating a knife in each of their possessions along with a face mask, gloves and a torch. So both men were arrested. They're a 37-year-old from Maylands and a 46-year-old from Aubrey Heights. They've been charged with unlawful possession, possessing articles to commit an offence and carrying offensive weapons, and they've been bailed to appear in court in November.
00:29:46
Speaker 5: And, Kimberley, two other men have been arrested at Oaklands Park for stealing copper wire.
00:29:50
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is about three o'clock this morning. Two men had been seen climbing into one of the pits in the median strip before disappearing underground. But a witness reported seeing them emerge carrying spools of copper wiring wrapped around their arms. So police quickly attended, spotted one of the suspects riding away on a push bike, but he was stopped and a second suspect was located on Pemberton Street and arrested. So two men a 35-year-old from Seaford Rise and a 36-year-old of no fixed address. They've both been charged with theft and other offences. One was bailed and the second will appear in court today.
00:30:30
Speaker 4: And Kimberly, what happened with this young person that was arrested for breaking into a house at Morford Vale?
00:30:34
Speaker 12: Yeah, so two occupants were home at their Chusner Drive, Morford Vale home. It was about 5.20 yesterday and confronted this boy who'd broken into the property and He also allegedly tried to open a car door belonging to the couple, but he was confronted and ran off. So we had Southern District Patrol quickly respond and arrest that teenage boy nearby. So that's a 15-year-old local boy. He's been charged with a break-in theft and also illegal interference of the motor vehicle, and he will be appearing in court today.
00:31:10
Speaker 11: Hmm.
00:31:11
Speaker 6: All right.
00:31:11
Speaker 4: Well, good stuff. Thank you, Kimberley. Kimberley Broad, a friend from SAPOL. We're going to take a quick break. We'll check traffic and be back in a moment. If you're heading to the Royal Adelaide Show, visit Quincy's Confectionery for something deliciously sweet. Thank you.
00:31:21
Speaker 5: Knockdown.
00:31:22
Speaker 7: Bill 2.
00:31:23
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
00:31:28
Speaker 5: They do it all for you.
00:31:30
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:31:38
Speaker 4: Four minutes to seven after seven this morning. Stick around. Matt Abraham is not too far away. And also, Ryan Fitzgerald will turn our attention to the footy finals, get his thoughts on the big clashes, including heart or head. I don't even know why I phrase it that way. Fitz, he always tips with his heart about gross lines on Saturday night. Sometimes, though, this one maybe will be an exceptional find out after eight o'clock. Well, there was a big headline that we revealed on the program yesterday. I think it was almost at this moment 24 hours ago that Liv Golf had filed for bankruptcy. No one knows more about the plight of Liv Golf than front-office sports reporter David Rumsey, who we've spoken to about this on a number of occasions. David, good morning to you. No, he's not there at the moment. I think his phone literally just dropped out a couple of seconds ago. We had Nick Champion yesterday who made this. He was asked about it at a press conference yesterday, and he had this to say from the state government's perspective on the future of Liv Golf.
00:32:37
Speaker 20: As to the You know, the size of the event, the future of the event. I think we'll just have to wait and see. What this will do is allow Liv to emerge as a US-based business with US-based investors.
00:32:49
Speaker 4: Well, that would be an optimistic take, I think. I mean, we should be clear. There's no outcome anyone in South Australia is cheering for other than this goes ahead and is a success. It just feels, on the strength of the available evidence, I think the only remaining people who believe that is any chance whatsoever... Might work within the office of leave if they haven't been laid off already and in the state admin building.
00:33:12
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker 5: And do you even– I don't even– not even sure if people in the state admin building believe it or just want it to– are willing it to happen.
00:33:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
00:33:21
Speaker 5: Tickets aren't even available. You can't buy tickets for next year's event, which is meant to be in March.
00:33:27
Speaker 4: Six months away, seven months away. Yeah, not long.
00:33:29
Speaker 5: Yeah. Pretty sure at this time last year, I'd have to triple-check that, but you could buy tickets.
00:33:35
Speaker 4: Well, let's go to David Rumsey now from Front Office Sports. David, great to chat with you again, and thanks for your time. The bankruptcy filing has been played down by our state government with regard to the seriousness of what it means about the ongoing operations of LIV. What's your interpretation?
00:33:52
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think it's very serious. Chapter 11 here in the US is intended for businesses to... reemerge from the bankruptcy process, sometimes stronger than they were before, but it certainly doesn't rule out the possibility of holding operations altogether. So I think all options are on the table right now. Liv does have VC partners as their new lead investor, ready to support with $ 300 million of new financing. Very complicated situation, but they're ready to step in if Liv emerges from this bankruptcy process as planned. But there's a lot to work through with Some leftover financing from the Saudi PIS and player contracts and unpaid vendors. And it's all in the bankruptcy court right now. And that's a very complicated process.
00:34:41
Speaker 5: So, David, let's work on the optimistic side of this. We're all hoping in Adelaide that the event can go ahead here next year. But what would it look like, given you mentioned that new firm with $ 300 million in funding, if some players haven't been paid, if some vendors haven't been paid, if venues haven't been paid, how would the tournament look?
00:35:09
Speaker 17: Yeah, and funny enough, today, this afternoon in the U.S., there was the initial bankruptcy hearing for this case, and I'd have lived with lawyers and things like that. Cam Smith, uh, representative was on the line. He didn't end up speaking or anything, but just a little tidbit there for you. Um, you know, if the, if live does reemerge next year, they are planning on having about 10 events, um, mostly international with a few in the U S they definitely want to go back to Australia. Like you said, but I think right before I came on, you were talking about tickets aren't available. Um, they don't have set dates, even though they have, you know, commitments with places. like Australia and other nations in. But with right now, they don't have the, you know, security to say this event is for sure happening. It's going to be much less prize money. They haven't said whether it would be a smaller build-out, but you would expect maybe not quite as grandiose as it has been in recent years. I don't know if it would impact attendance, but should Lyft come back, Australia is probably the top of the list, not in South Africa. where they would want to make sure they play next year if they're playing events.
00:36:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great analysis, David. Thank you, David Rumsey from Front Office Sports with the inside word on what that bankruptcy filing means for the future of live golf. So it's not the end necessarily, but there are a lot of unknowns still. And as you said, Stace, time's running out. We're six months away from March next year.
00:36:39
Speaker 5: I just checked. Tickets for this year's event went on sale mid-September last year. So we're coming up to that time where tickets should be released for sale.
00:36:48
Speaker 4: We're going to convene an impromptu jury on the other side of this break, and we're going to put a couple of events head-to-head. This is an interesting debate, I think, we're going to have on the other side of 5AA News.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: Knock down. Build two. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
00:37:11
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:37:17
Speaker 4: Nine minutes after seven. Good morning to you. Welcome to Thursday on 5AA Breakfast. This is the 10th of September. We've just spoken with David Rumsey from Front Office Sports about the future of Live Golf. The bankruptcy filing was revealed yesterday. had Nick Champion yesterday, we just played a little bit of him, the planning minister at a press conference, just calming everyone down, saying this kind of bankruptcy filing in the US doesn't mean this is not a motion to wind up a business. This is often a motion to have a business re-emerge from a financial situation that isn't sustainable.
00:37:51
Speaker 5: Restructure, basically.
00:37:52
Speaker 4: A restructure, exactly. Dave Rumsey said yes, but then detailed the litany of unanswered questions about who's going to fund it. The contingency of the funding they have received, which is $ 300 million if it re-emerges, not to make it re-emerge. What happened to the creditors, like the players and so forth? Cam Smith's representation was on a conference call overnight as well. So that's all going on. And you raise a good point. This time last year, this far out from Live Golf, you could buy tickets.
00:38:21
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:38:21
Speaker 4: Well, a few people have told us they've already bought tickets for next year's event. Dave in Alberton, good morning.
00:38:29
Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning, guys. I'm actually looking at the receipt on my phone at the moment. $ 374 back in February this year. It's actually through an organisation called Fever Entertainment. And if you have the pleasure of dealing with them, they'll make Ticketek and Ticketmaster look like right professionals.
00:38:49
Speaker 4: Have you spoken to them about Liv? I have, yeah.
00:38:53
Speaker 15: So I've changed the employer earlier this year, so I needed to update the email address. I've just been looking through my phone. It took 27 emails for me to prove to them that it was me that purchased them, and then it was my email that I needed to update to.
00:39:09
Speaker 9: A new address.
00:39:10
Speaker 6: Wow.
00:39:10
Speaker 4: That sounds like fun. So it sounds like they'll be fun to deal with in the event that, say, what you paid for is not what you're getting, A, or B, you don't get anything for what you paid.
00:39:20
Speaker 11: Yes.
00:39:21
Speaker 15: Yeah, they weren't really very friendly to deal with it all. Actually, if you didn't respond within 24 hours, they closed off the inquiry.
00:39:28
Speaker 11: What?
00:39:29
Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. Dave, thank you. That's a bit of an insult. I've got someone else sent this through. Tickets bought as recently, it looks like, as the 28th of July. And a ticket purchase confirmation. By the way, as you rightly point out, you can't do that anymore.
00:39:43
Speaker 5: That doesn't exist.
00:39:44
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:39:45
Speaker 5: So it's really interesting. They were selling tickets and now they've stopped. If you go on the website and you want to buy tickets to Live Golf next year, you.
00:39:52
Speaker 8: Have to join a wait list.
00:39:52
Speaker 4: I wonder what protection there is.
00:39:54
Speaker 5: Is that because they're sold out?
00:39:56
Speaker 4: Possibly. Well, there's also younger capacities different.
00:40:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:40:01
Speaker 4: All that kind of stuff.
00:40:02
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:40:03
Speaker 4: I wonder what protection there are for consumers that have bought tickets, presuming you're going to see John Rahm and Cam Smith and- these kind of guys, and then next year maybe you don't get that calibre of guy turn up. Is there any prediction built in?
00:40:19
Speaker 5: You'd have to. If you've bought something for an event that is now not that event.
00:40:25
Speaker 4: If you bought tickets to a concert that was, you know, at one point in time headlined by, I don't know.
00:40:31
Speaker 5: A festival, say?
00:40:33
Speaker 4: The Rolling Stones, and you turn up and actually it's just, you know, a local cover band that have put You probably are entitled to a.
00:40:42
Speaker 5: You would think.
00:40:42
Speaker 4: You would think. Twelve after seven, let's talk major events, and let's convene an out-of-sequence jury here.
00:40:49
Speaker 21: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain, or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
00:41:02
Speaker 4: Has anyone got major event envy? So Victoria and Melbourne tomorrow hosting the NFL fixture. You've got NFL fever. I've got NFL fever. This is the biggest. If you've been won over in the NFL, then it's working.
00:41:15
Speaker 3: The thing that has.
00:41:16
Speaker 5: Sold me is the players and how they've embedded themselves in the community. And I was just comparing it to some of the major events that we've had here. And, you know, I've, appreciate having gather around here um live golf i can i can understand why people get into it but i not once have i seen a live golf player or an afl player do a press conference from a local coffee shop.
00:41:41
Speaker 4: A bit more aloof than the nfl guys on their own instagrams and so forth and The players.
00:41:45
Speaker 5: Are really involved. The players are doing sit-down press conferences with Australian media. They're having funny videos made about them trying to pronounce different suburbs. They're pronouncing Melbourne correctly, not Melbourne the way Americans usually do. They've really embedded themselves in the community in the last week, and they're selling– Melbourne, and it doesn't look like they're selling it to the US, really. They're selling it to us.
00:42:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:42:09
Speaker 5: It's making me want to go to the NFL game, and I am not an American football girl.
00:42:14
Speaker 4: 100,000 people are going to be there, but this is an ongoing contract, so you might be able to go next year, which is part of the allure of these major events. So what we thought we'd do, given the two most topical at the moment are the MotoGP and the NFL match. Let's go boxing style through the tail of the tape. What does it cost each? Now, this is a hypothetical, folks. We appreciate we don't have a 100,000-seat stadium in Adelaide, okay? So, yes, that is an impediment to winning the NFL bid. But just as a thought exercise, value for money proposition, and frankly, personally, how much you're interested in the things, what would you rather have, the NFL contract or the MotoGP contract? So let's go through that. The costs of both.
00:42:55
Speaker 12: Yep.
00:42:56
Speaker 5: So the NFL, again, rumours because we will never know, commercial inconfidence, but the NFL game is rumoured to be the deal, $ 10 million to $ 15 million per game, and they've got a, let's call it a three-year deal. So it's $ 30 million to $ 45 million for a three-year contract. MotoGP, we don't know. There has been a report done saying that Adelaide, it's a conjectured report, so put that in the back of your mind, that Adelaide will lose hundreds of millions of dollars after the event. Even if you take that out of it, we're spending $ 100 million of taxpayers' money on building the track. So that's $ 30 million to $ 45 million for three years to host the NFL. $ 100 million just to build the track, not even an amount to bring the event here.
00:43:45
Speaker 4: What do you think, folks? 8223, I don't want to, I was going to, I'll say what I think after this, and maybe you can too. 8223 0000, jury wise, let's pit the major events against one another. What would you, what makes more sense? What would you, what do you personally prefer out of an NFL match or the MotoGP? Two big events, a lot of money being spent, taxpayers' money in both states. both bringing thousands of people and bringing international exposure, which would you prefer? Old-style jury, MotoGP or NFL game? 8223 0000, get calling now. You can remain anonymous.
00:44:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:23
Speaker 4: We just want to get a sort of a sense. Are people like Stacey getting NFL fever?
00:44:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, maybe when the MotoGP comes, I'll get MotoGP fever too. We heard the Lord Mayor saying she's into motor racing all of a sudden.
00:44:34
Speaker 4: She's convinced.
00:44:35
Speaker 5: I just– and neither of the players or– I know they're not players. The riders in the MotoGP appeal to me. I've never really thought, oh, I would love to follow the life of an NFL player or a MotoGP rider. It's never really appealed to me, but seeing them, and maybe the MotoGP riders will embed themselves in the South Australian community.
00:44:53
Speaker 4: Motorsport guys are usually really good at promoting their sport.
00:44:56
Speaker 10: Okay.
00:44:57
Speaker 4: Historically, certainly the V8 guys are the best, I can say from a media perspective, the best to deal with of any major sport in Australia. You can ring the biggest star in V8s and they'll say, oh, come on in two minutes. You try and get a footballer on. Oh, you speak to the media manager and then they're going to speak to their agent and then they're going to do this. And how are they feeling today? Oh, they've got a game in 19 days. They need to focus on that. They can't talk for two minutes about. But motorsport guys are different. And you look at the Formula One access that the gridwalks have and interviews as they're about to start the race. It's unbelievable. So I reckon they would probably be pretty good.
00:45:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay.
00:45:29
Speaker 4: The benefit of the NFL is the roster's 53 people. So it's really hard for any of them. They're not too famous, like basketballers, for example. They're all so well-known. NFL guys, yes, making a lot of money, but they're not necessarily all massive celebs. So you've got to promote yourself a little bit. They're Americans. They love doing that kind of thing. So they're excellent at it because they're all- They're really good at it. They're trying to carve out a bit of space, build the brand, so forth. MotoGP or NFL, what do we think, folks? Jura number one, what say you?
00:45:59
Speaker 17: Good morning.
00:46:00
Speaker 15: In business, you've got to spend money to make money. It's a simple rule.
00:46:04
Speaker 14: And the MotoGP will generate more income.
00:46:07
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, Jura number one. Jura number two, good morning.
00:46:11
Speaker 10: Very different events entirely, but a lot of petrol heads in Adelaide and MotoGPs to go.
00:46:20
Speaker 5: MotoGP 2.
00:46:21
Speaker 4: Thank you, jury number 2. 8223 0000, if you'd like to jump on and be a juror this morning, usually on Tuesday, but we thought we'd do it this morning on the eve of the NFL game with the MotoGP topical as well. Which would you prefer? If you could just pick. It's a total thought experiment. Jury number 3, good morning.
00:46:36
Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning.
00:46:38
Speaker 11: NFL is just American.
00:46:39
Speaker 9: MotoGP is worldwide.
00:46:41
Speaker 11: And you wait until it comes here.
00:46:42
Speaker 15: It's going to be great.
00:46:42
Speaker 3: All right.
00:46:43
Speaker 4: Thank you, jury number 3. Jury number 4, good morning. Yes, good morning.
00:46:48
Speaker 6: I just have to say I've been bullied by the rest of the jury.
00:46:51
Speaker 15: I wanted to call a mistrial.
00:46:53
Speaker 14: But they made me and they forced me in.
00:46:55
Speaker 9: The jury room for the last five days to vote for the Voto GP.
00:47:00
Speaker 4: So 12 angry men, you're one of the angry men. You're a number four. Thank you. I like that. You've been swayed. You're a number five. Good morning.
00:47:07
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking too I was going to be swayed for the Voto GP, but I'm standing my ground and I'm going NFL all the way.
00:47:15
Speaker 4: Thank you, jury number five. On the text line, lots of NFL. So Debbie on the text line says NFL. Andrew on the text line says, I'm torn, but I reckon I've seen NFL games. I've never seen one, but I've seen lots of motorsport.
00:47:29
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's a good point.
00:47:32
Speaker 4: 8223 0000. Is that jury number six? Yes, we didn't get to six, did we? Jury number six, NFL or MotoGP?
00:47:39
Speaker 1: NFL for sure. I'm just getting ready to catch the plane over to Melbourne today.
00:47:44
Speaker 11: Oh, really?
00:47:45
Speaker 4: Do you have a team? Have you always followed NFL or is this just on a whim you decided to do it?
00:47:50
Speaker 1: I've followed NFL probably for about the last 45 years. And unfortunately, my team, the Dallas Cowboys, aren't coming. But I'll go for anyone against the 49ers being a Cowboys supporter.
00:48:04
Speaker 4: So the era you got into the Cowboys, is that like Aitman, Irving and that great team of the 90s? When did you sort of get on board?
00:48:14
Speaker 1: Don Lane used to do a late-night NFL show, and I watched that, so you got to learn the rules and everything like that. Yeah, so I can't wait.
00:48:24
Speaker 4: That is brilliant. Don Lane has a lot of a big hand in making so many Australians into NFL fans, doesn't he?
00:48:34
Speaker 14: Definitely.
00:48:34
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thank you. So that's interesting. Can we speak to you tomorrow when you're there or before the game?
00:48:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
00:48:42
Speaker 4: Oh, we'd love to. Thank you for that, jury number six. We'll get a name for you then. You won't be jury number six.
00:48:46
Speaker 5: You might be one of the only people in the stadium barracking for the Rams.
00:48:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. That's right. Good point. I'm looking forward to that tomorrow. That was interesting, that jury.
00:48:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was four to two.
00:49:00
Speaker 4: Four to two. A bit more NFL support on the text line. If it was personally up to me voting only in the interest of what interests me... I would say the NFL. I'm not a motorsport. I'm not going to go to the MotoGP. I'm not a motorsport person. But I've got a crusade, Stace. I think this is a motorsport town. You've got to stand for something. This is who we are. we are. It might not be what I'm interested in. I spoke about the museum and the potential for permanent infrastructure previously. I'm quickly forming the opinion this is actually a foundational part of South Australian history. Car industry is.
00:49:35
Speaker 4: Grand Prix in Australia, V8 racing in Australia. These things are core South Australian things. And Detroit, Indianapolis, cities in America that are known for making cars and racing cars, we are both of those things combined. And I just can't get out of my head the degree to which those places, they take that identity for good or ill. And yes, the NFL game would be a great sugar hit and I'd love to go to it because I just think I really enjoy the sport. But I kind of like... embracing who we are a bit too. And I think MotoGP is closer to who we are.
00:50:09
Speaker 5: I like the idea of the NFL. And if I'm thinking with my political brain, because you don't need to build infrastructure for it.
00:50:17
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:50:17
Speaker 4: Oh, that's absolutely.
00:50:18
Speaker 5: The stadiums already exist. There's no extra taxpayer money that goes into it apart from the cost to get the game here, which doesn't seem like it's that much if these reports are true.
00:50:28
Speaker 4: It's not much at all. I was stunned by how little when you said that. I thought it'd be much more than that.
00:50:32
Speaker 5: If it's $ 10 million a game, that's 10 games just for the cost of us building a track for the MotoGP.
00:50:37
Speaker 4: When you think how much money is in the NFL, I figured they'd be used to dealing with numbers that are in the billions. Their TV deal, you have to just about invent new numbers for how the value of the TV deal is. $ 10 million to them would be a rounding error.
00:50:50
Speaker 21: Nothing.
00:50:51
Speaker 5: Nothing.
00:50:52
Speaker 4: Interesting. All right, we're going to take a break, and we'll come back with more in just a moment on 5AA Breakfast, 22 minutes after 7. Traffic, thanks to Quincy's Confectionery. I tell you what, if you're heading to the show, check out Quincy's Confectionery for something deliciously sweet.
00:51:06
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:51:14
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:51:18
Speaker 4: 27 after 7, there has been a big debate this week about the cost of flights to Brisbane. We're all, if not comfortable with, at least understand that the airlines will tell us that they dynamically price flights. The demand goes up, the price goes up. It's like trying to get an Uber after the footy on a Saturday night. You're going to pay a lot more. Now, whether this is unconscionable or not, It depends on your own political biases. But I think most troubling, Stace, you've spotted this kind of behaviour in other places.
00:51:51
Speaker 22: Yep.
00:51:51
Speaker 5: I tried to buy my husband a pair of shoes for Father's Day and went on the website. The shoes were $ 200. I thought, okay, sure, I'll go back again and buy it at some stage. I didn't have time in that moment. Went back the next day, $ 220.
00:52:06
Speaker 11: What?
00:52:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, they went up. Was there a run on?
00:52:12
Speaker 4: Men needing shoes? What was going on?
00:52:13
Speaker 5: Well, then I freaked out and they weren't on sale in the original time, but I wanted to check that. So the first time I looked at them on my phone and the second time was on a computer screen. So I thought, let me go back and see if that tab is still open on my phone. And it was still open on my phone and they were available for $ 200 and it was not a sale price. So I just bought them in that moment because I thought if I go back tomorrow, they'll probably keep going up in price.
00:52:36
Speaker 4: And so you got them for the original price?
00:52:37
Speaker 5: So I got them for the original $ 200 on that tab. And they were the exact same pair of shoes. I opened the exact same link because it was a link that was sent to me. It was the same website. And I thought, Has the flight dynamic pricing moved to regular retail items? Hopefully, Professor Gary Mortimer can answer it. He's from the Queensland University of Technology's Business School. Gary, help me out here. Should we expect this in our regular retail buying now?
00:53:06
Speaker 14: No, I wouldn't think so. It's a really interesting case you offer. I haven't seen that at all across websites, certainly not retail websites and certainly not reputable retailers. So, you know, Shopping online with an Australian-based retailer, I wouldn't.
00:53:22
Speaker 6: Imagine that happens.
00:53:24
Speaker 14: Often, however, I do see this with hotel resort booking sites where you will log in, put a few dates in, go on to look at that resort or that hotel room. You might go back to it a couple more days later and then suddenly it's just crept up, might be $ 10 or $ 15. You might even see those little posts, those little pop-ups that say, like, eight people are already looking at that room. So, you know, there's often some mechanisms that marketers will use to encourage you to quickly make that purchase without giving more consideration.
00:53:53
Speaker 4: Well, there is on travel, Professor Mortimer, that urban myth that whether it's the cookies or something or rather, that you'll get better prices if you go to your local library where the computer doesn't know anything about you and you get better flights and hotels. Is there any truth to that?
00:54:08
Speaker 14: Yeah, there is, anecdotally at least. And listen, I delete my cookies each time I go in or space as you were saying, either a notebook or a tablet or a phone, often a different IP address. So listen, I do find that. I don't really find it too much with airlines, but I am conscious that if you're If you're sort of trying to book a week away and you want to fly out on a Friday afternoon, it's going to be more expensive than you want to fly out on a Tuesday lunchtime. And the same would go with Ubers as you've raised as well.
00:54:37
Speaker 5: Okay. So is deleting the cookies enough? What about opening a new tab or using a different device? On some phones you can use like the private browsing mode. Would that be enough or do you have to delete the cookies?
00:54:53
Speaker 22: Yes.
00:54:54
Speaker 14: Well, the other thing I do is I use different browsers. But obviously, on my notebook or my desktop, I'll use a different browser. And that way, I've got two screens. I can look at sort of the different prices. Listen, generally, I find that there is consistency across those prices. But I guess if you keep going in and out of the same site, you'll watch those prices just creep up a little bit. And it's designed to get people to go, oh, look, if I go in again or I wait one more day, it might actually go up another $ 20. I'd better make that purchase now. It's designed to elicit that sort of purchase behavior really quickly. It also is designed to stop you from looking at other competing hotels or other services.
00:55:36
Speaker 5: I wonder if it'll continue. But, yeah, thank you for that, Gary. I appreciate that because I've been using AI a lot as well.
00:55:42
Speaker 4: To compare prices. They know everything about you now.
00:55:45
Speaker 22: Mm-hmm.
00:55:45
Speaker 4: Professor Gary Mortimer from the QUT Business School. Some interesting text coming through. Robert says, I wouldn't want to be 10th in line to buy a chalk top before my movie starts. No, it might cost.
00:55:57
Speaker 11: You $ 200.
00:55:57
Speaker 4: This is interesting. Jack says, buying games digitally on PlayStation has dynamic pricing. Now, when a game is on discount, it shows the launch price and the lowest price in the last 30 days for transparency. That's fascinating.
00:56:10
Speaker 21: Yeah.
00:56:11
Speaker 4: Sony and PlayStation are now entering a world of post-physical media.
00:56:15
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:56:15
Speaker 4: So they're saying they're not selling physical copies of anything anymore, which is sold as being for your convenience, but it certainly works for their convenience. When you sell physical copies to a store, there has to be a margin that's worked out. You can't just sort of change the price here or there because those stores won't do business with you because somewhere else might suddenly get it cheaper. But if it's digitally and they're selling it all direct– This kind of stuff can happen. I hadn't thought of that, Jack. That's a really interesting text. If you've seen any other examples of this sort of dynamic pricing, folks, let us know. 178, Matt Abraham in the 5AA Breakfast Studio. I just want to quickly read a text on the business of dynamic pricing because I wonder if anyone else has seen this in their travels. Paul in McGill says, guys, I found out by accident that using the same destination address on Uber that I'd used over and over gave me a certain price. I then tried a slightly different address a little further away and found it was substantially cheaper.
00:57:29
Speaker 12: Oh.
00:57:30
Speaker 4: I repeated the same two destinations a few times to ensure it wasn't just a timing-slash-demand issue, but, nope, had the same unusual pricing.
00:57:38
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good life hack.
00:57:40
Speaker 4: Well, if it works. Maybe someone can try it on the way in this morning and let us know if it does. Dynamic pricing. I was, um... I'm bugging you.
00:57:50
Speaker 9: This is Democracy Manifest.
00:57:54
Speaker 4: You're eating the dogs.
00:57:56
Speaker 16: I tell you what, any boss who sacks anyone for not turning up the day is a bum.
00:58:01
Speaker 10: Matt.
00:58:05
Speaker 4: Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof design manufactured and installed locally by Louver House. Louver's open this morning. Beautiful sort of day on the way. Next couple of days as well. Matt, good morning.
00:58:14
Speaker 6: Morning, Will.
00:58:14
Speaker 10: Good morning, Stacey.
00:58:15
Speaker 5: Louver's open all week.
00:58:17
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's magic. Kipper's Louver's open.
00:58:18
Speaker 20: Beautiful.
00:58:20
Speaker 10: Bit of vitamin D. So we've got the Premier delivering a speech that's, well, adds to the belief that it's not if but when he moves to Canberra. Is that how we're interpreting his speech to the Sydney Institute, which is hardly a left-wing Bolshevik.
00:58:41
Speaker 4: Outfit, is it? Took over from the IPA, won by Gerard Anderson. It's pretty right-wing.
00:58:47
Speaker 10: LAUGHTER And it's got a big splash, a huge splash in the Australian.
00:58:52
Speaker 5: Front page of the Tizer.
00:58:54
Speaker 10: Front page of the Tizer this morning. Set up as Mally versus Albo. And he's warning, well, he's warning against a race to the bottom on migration, immigration policy. And he's having a whack at the left as well, saying that. you know, the loony left, I don't think he used that term, but has contributed to the sort of atmosphere of political debate in this country. So they're not blameless is what he's saying.
00:59:20
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:59:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:59:22
Speaker 5: I have said in the past, and I stand by it, that I give the Premier credit for being a From what I can tell, the only political leader in the country who's willing to speak pro-immigration at the moment.
00:59:34
Speaker 4: He's making the case for it.
00:59:35
Speaker 5: He's making the case for it. And at least he's laying it all out. And if you look at the stats that he talks about in his speech, especially here in South Australia, we need immigration for jobs.
00:59:47
Speaker 10: Or for our university chancellors to maintain their salaries.
00:59:50
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:59:52
Speaker 5: No, well, who's going to build the submarines and who's going to build the houses?
00:59:55
Speaker 10: Well, the submarines aren't going to be built, but that's another matter.
01:00:03
Speaker 5: With the birth rate as it is, we're not going to have enough.
01:00:05
Speaker 8: Taxpayers in 10 years' time.
01:00:07
Speaker 10: I don't think even One Nation is an argument about not having immigration. The argument isn't about not having immigration. It's about the pace of immigration here and our capacity to absorb it. I've I find it hard that he doesn't accept that we've had such a load of immigration and it strained the capacity of the country, particularly our housing industry to handle it. Um, I mean, if all the immigrants coming out here were tradies, then we wouldn't have a housing problem. You know, you'd be able to, you wouldn't have to wait sort of six months to get a plumber to come have a look at your house or whatever. Um, it is an issue. So when he says we don't have, um, and he said this previously, not to the Sydney Institute speech, uh, Malinowskis has said, Premier Malinowskis has said, um, we don't have an immigration problem. We, you know, we've got a housing capacity problem. I think, well, that's very simplistic. Is it possible we've got a.
01:01:01
Speaker 4: Bit of both? That's the answer.
01:01:03
Speaker 10: You know, are you at all willing to say we could put the brake on a bit, um.
01:01:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. My interpretation of the speech last night was he was sort of railing against the reverse auction that's happening in federal politics, that there is more nuance than simply who says the lowest number wins, which is kind of what it's been reduced to at the moment, and why Stace says no one's advocating for any– even if their number built in contains an inherent argument for some migration, no one's actually– saying it overtly.
01:01:36
Speaker 5: No one's speaking about migration in a positive way.
01:01:40
Speaker 4: Except him.
01:01:41
Speaker 14: I know.
01:01:42
Speaker 10: And it does put him on the national stage. I was surprised he was in Sydney because my understanding was he's been at the show all week watching the wood chopping.
01:01:52
Speaker 4: But was that based on social media?
01:01:54
Speaker 10: No, sorry.
01:01:56
Speaker 4: Oh, sorry.
01:01:58
Speaker 11: Sorry.
01:01:59
Speaker 4: Sorry, I thought that was a joke. Sorry, that was very good. Just too quick for me. Too quick for me.
01:02:04
Speaker 5: Where's our dad joke?
01:02:04
Speaker 4: Hang on, hang on.
01:02:05
Speaker 5: Here we go.
01:02:06
Speaker 4: There we go. I think he'd be competing in the wood chopping, wouldn't he? I stole that from the Adelaide Mail, which is a satirical newspaper. That's very funny. Sorry about that. But anyway.
01:02:18
Speaker 5: To your first point, Matt, I think, If there was ever a nail in the coffin for does the Premier have political ambitions in Canberra, I feel like today would be the one.
01:02:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:02:32
Speaker 5: It hit home today.
01:02:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does.
01:02:35
Speaker 10: And, you know, we know that Don Farrell wants him to go to Canberra. Farrell said that. There was a big profile on, bizarre profile on Don Farrell. But he does want Malinowskis to go to Canberra. But he says Malinowskis is saying that the time's not, He's not even saying the time's not right, but he's saying, well, he has family. It's his family and so on. I don't know if that's as big a hurdle as it could be. I mean, a lot of prime ministers or federal leaders, particularly though prime ministers, have had their family with them in the lodge or Kirribilli House or wherever. I mean, it's not impossible to have– you don't need to be separated from your family. I know it's a big wrench. And I know I'm planning his life out for him.
01:03:21
Speaker 8: I was going to say.
01:03:25
Speaker 4: You can imagine there'll be plenty of people in federal labour who have made the pitch you're about to make directly to him about how easy and convenient it will be.
01:03:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I imagine there are just as many people in federal labour making a pitch to him that, oh, you don't want to come to Canberra.
01:03:37
Speaker 4: It's a cesspit. Yeah, you'll never see your family again.
01:03:39
Speaker 10: You'll never see your family again.
01:03:40
Speaker 4: I would think that quite a lot of... Albo might be making that pitch. You're right, Stace. I have been 100% a sceptic of the he's going to go to Canberra I've taken everybody's word. Today, I don't believe it. I don't believe it anymore.
01:03:53
Speaker 5: He doesn't have to.
01:03:54
Speaker 4: You are not doing speeches to the Sydney Institute. And he is right now over Stacey's left shoulder being interviewed live on Sky News, arguing against One Nation's federal policy. He is this morning spending time arguing against Pauline Hanson.
01:04:08
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:04:08
Speaker 4: Not Corey Bernardi. If you imagine it through the lens of what's best for you as a state leader, there's only downside in this for him. So I have to imagine the prism is not through the lens of just state politics.
01:04:25
Speaker 10: He's got a lot of political capital that he can fall back on, but you could say so has the WA Premier. He's got a massive, actually got a bigger majority in terms of where they're at. But Peter Malinowskis does have a lot of political capital. He has said in the past that you've got to use some of that. It's no good just sitting on a great big fat majority. So- You know, is he burning some of that political capital, as he did over Writers' Week, where he's quite strategic? He's not doing it all the time, otherwise you run out of firewood, but he is quite strategic about it. But we do know that at the last state election in March, they did get a fright from One Nation. There was no way One Nation was going to, you know, roll them out of government, but certainly it did upend the politics political tables, and we see safe seats in what were once safe labour seats in the northern suburbs are now marginal labour seats in the northern suburbs. And he warned about the One Nation threat, and he has warned his party, both at state level but also federally, that if you think One Nation aren't a threat to you, then you're stupid, effectively. He used pretty blunt language.
01:05:42
Speaker 11: So.
01:05:42
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's doing that. He's taking on a central tenet, I suppose, of the One Nation stand because that has been their consistent message for 30 years and he's burning some political capital to do that. I don't think it's going to lose him any votes back here that he doesn't already have.
01:06:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:06:03
Speaker 11: I don't know.
01:06:04
Speaker 5: We're too far out for an election.
01:06:05
Speaker 4: It doesn't play well in the northern suburbs.
01:06:08
Speaker 11: No.
01:06:08
Speaker 4: This whole chat about immigration. But you think those people have already left for One Nation. He's not going to lose any more of those votes.
01:06:14
Speaker 10: Well, there's some interesting polling out during the week showing that the people who, quite a high percentage of people who say they're supporting One Nation are now rusted onto One Nation. So we're not talking about the 15% or 10% of people and like 50% of the 18% primary vote are just dabbling with One Nation. Quite a lot of them now are locked in to the One Nation.
01:06:45
Speaker 5: How can you get that data for, you know, someone who maybe has changed their vote in the last 12 months though? Because being honest, One Nation has risen to popularity within the last– Post-Bondi.
01:06:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, post-Bondi.
01:06:56
Speaker 5: And so how can you– someone might say they're rusted on and we've seen that people shift their vote very quickly.
01:07:04
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:07:05
Speaker 10: We're delving into the magic of polling. I haven't got a clue how they work. I've never had a clue how they work it out, but that's all we've got to go on. And, you know, I think it's fairly reliable. We know that some 70% in the South Australian election, some 70% of Liberal vote preferences flowed to One Nation, possibly the worst preference non-deal ever done, the most one-sided deal ever done by a Liberal party or any political party.
01:07:34
Speaker 12: So.
01:07:35
Speaker 10: These things happen.
01:07:36
Speaker 11: And I.
01:07:39
Speaker 10: Love this term rolled out by Phil Currie this week that One Nation have rolled out the Gazumpatron, which is– and I sent Phil a text saying that's going straight into the lexicon, that one. But with a capital G, the Gazumpatron. And they are doing this, not just on migration now, but it's interesting to see them rolling out policy on their superannuation where they have really gazumped the federal coalition. on superannuation. And Jim Chalmers thinks this is going to play perfectly into a scare campaign. They've started a scare campaign that they're coming after your super. Look at the One Nation policy. And what it says is that out of the 12% that gets paid into your superannuation, you can opt, if you have a mortgage or you're a renter, to take 3% of that and have it paid to you. Not as a lump sum, but paid to you as part of your salary. So that leaves 9% intact And it's only for three years. So it's about, on the medium wage, apparently, it's about $ 2, 400 for a single person. Now, the government is saying this is an attack on super. And what you'll do is you won't have any money when you retire. It's going to gut your retirement savings. Well, they're saying that sacrificing that money now, about $ 44 a week, means that you'll lose $ 25, 000 off your super by the time you retire. I'm fascinated with AI now.
01:09:06
Speaker 4: I had a little look at this.
01:09:08
Speaker 10: For a 30-year-old earning $ 90, 000 a year, your projected super balance at age 67, this is if you don't index your salary at $ 90, 000, so for simplicity, Your retirement age is 67. You're currently 30 years old. If you're getting 12%, you'll have $ 2. 16 million in your super by the time you turn 67. Are you going to worry about 25 grand? Yeah, not really.
01:09:31
Speaker 4: Not really.
01:09:32
Speaker 10: If you can put petrol in your car now or pay your mortgage or pay your rent for three years?
01:09:36
Speaker 4: I think Labor aren't winning a scare campaign battle at an election, by the way, either. If the two options are, One Nation are going to give you more of your super. And the One Nation response is going to be Jim Chalmers, the guy that promised he isn't going to change negative gearing, and they've already increased the tax on super. You're going to trust that guy with spending it wisely?
01:09:52
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:09:52
Speaker 10: Interesting scare campaign.
01:09:53
Speaker 4: Good luck. Let's check traffic. If you're going to the show, head to Quincy's Confectionery.
01:09:57
Speaker 8: Knockdown.
01:09:58
Speaker 2: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
01:10:05
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:10:12
Speaker 10: Matt.
01:10:14
Speaker 4: Time to determine the biggest louver, Matt.
01:10:16
Speaker 10: Well, first contender is the Communications Minister, Annika Wills, for our biggest louver. And this is her explaining why people no longer trust her.
01:10:25
Speaker 22: I look you in the eye and I tell you that will never happen in this government. And she didn't believe me.
01:10:31
Speaker 12: Wow.
01:10:31
Speaker 22: And I've always found until this year even. that the way to solve that malaise and that sense of distrust in the establishment was to go and knock on people's doors or look them in the eye in.
01:10:46
Speaker 5: Banyo.
01:10:47
Speaker 22: And human to human, they'll believe you. And what I'm noticing now is that they don't, that the power of online is so strong, the power of the algorithm is so strong.
01:10:56
Speaker 4: Oh, it's the algorithm. That's why people don't believe you.
01:11:00
Speaker 10: When you tell them you're not going to do something and you do it.
01:11:03
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:11:04
Speaker 4: That's not the problem. It's the bloody algorithm. We've got to do something about that algorithm. That's pretty good. She gets a solid six.
01:11:11
Speaker 10: Out of ten louvers. Matt. And our final contender for the biggest louver is, of course, Barnaby Joyce confirming that he is not the son of God.
01:11:21
Speaker 22: That we would expect you as the Treasury spokesman for that party to be across.
01:11:26
Speaker 2: Let's just try it.
01:11:26
Speaker 3: The Treasury spokesman, not Jesus Christ. I mean, you have to actually give me the details of these things if you're going to put them forward to me.
01:11:32
Speaker 11: Here we go.
01:11:33
Speaker 4: He's not the Messiah.
01:11:34
Speaker 10: He's just a naughty boy.
01:11:38
Speaker 5: How many people were confusing him with Jesus Christ in the first instance that he had to clarify it?
01:11:44
Speaker 10: He pips Eneka Wells, yes, with a solid almighty eight louvers.
01:11:51
Speaker 4: He might not be the almighty, but he is the biggest loomer. Thank you, Matt.
01:11:59
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:12:07
Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:12:09
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:12:11
Speaker 4: 11 after 8, Fitzy in a moment. Is he feeling confident enough to back the Crows in Brisbane on Saturday night? We'll find out very shortly. And what it'll take Adelaide to win fits his thoughts before 8.30. Then after 8.30, the Premier of South Australia, Peter Malinowskis. After that, we just talked about it at length with Matt Abraham. But if you're just joining us, he made a lengthy speech at the Sydney Institute last night in Sydney entirely about making the case for immigration and making the case that no one else is making the case. Is it a first foot on the road to Canberra for the Premier of South Australia? We'll get his thoughts after 8.30. Now, I want to hijack breaking it out just very quickly, Stacey. Go on, go for it. I know we've got a very, very important issue to get to, but we reported exclusively a couple of months ago that a payment from Live Golf to the Keonga Golf Course that was laid down for July was not made. Subsequent to that, we did speak to the Premier and assurances were sought that that payment would be made at a new deadline in September. I am hearing that that deadline has been missed and that that payment has not been made. Now, that would... certainly come of no surprise given our reporting with regard to the bankruptcy filings that are happening in the United States at the moment. The bankruptcy, again, with a view to Live Golf emerging from that process and coming back as something more sustainable. That said, it does temper some of the excitement that Nick Champion had talking about this yesterday, that this is all just part of the process and it will be back. So, Kuyonga are still waiting for a payment to be made that has already been deferred once. Importantly, the clock is ticking on this. We are talking about an event in March. It is now the 10th of September. So money hasn't changed hands. There's obviously preparations that are going to need to be made. People have bought tickets.
01:14:05
Speaker 5: People have bought tickets. And I think work has already been going on at Kuyonga in anticipation for the event happening. I got a message from someone saying, dare I say it, They've chopped some trees down for live golf. I don't think it's in the hundreds. But still, if a payment hasn't been made to Koyonga yet, we know that players haven't been paid.
01:14:30
Speaker 4: Players haven't been paid.
01:14:31
Speaker 5: There are other creditors who haven't been paid. The 2026 season has wound up early and they've now launched bankruptcy proceedings.
01:14:40
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:14:41
Speaker 5: It's not looking good.
01:14:43
Speaker 4: You don't need to be some sort of soothsayer to read the tea leaves on this one. It doesn't look great.
01:14:47
Speaker 5: Okay. Well, that's an interesting one.
01:14:50
Speaker 4: Sorry.
01:14:50
Speaker 5: No, go for it, please. The other matter we wanted to talk about for Breaking at Eight this morning is a really serious story, and it's a really disturbing story, which was on Seven News last night. A woman went on a Tinder date and was raped. She says she was raped after the date. And she has some concerns about the way it was handled afterwards and the treatment she got. I think we've got a little bit of her explaining her situation.
01:15:22
Speaker 13: I can remember walking to my place, closing the gate, walking to my little house and then standing in the hallway thinking, did I just get raped? I'm enraged and I'm heartbroken with the system.
01:15:41
Speaker 5: And she was heartbroken with the system for a number of reasons. One, the alleged offender is out on police bail. And she says because he dropped her home, he knows her address. And two, she was really concerned about the way the services were offered to her afterwards when she went to report it. She says she was told to wait in her clothes for for two days, for 48 hours.
01:16:09
Speaker 4: Couldn't brush her teeth.
01:16:10
Speaker 5: Couldn't brush her teeth, which, as you can imagine, in that situation would be just so distressing. I don't even want to think about it, and I'm sure a lot of listeners don't either. It's something we wanted to follow up with Alice Rolls, who's the Minister for Domestic Family and Sexual Violence. Minister, thank you for your time this morning.
01:16:28
Speaker 23: Good morning, Stacey.
01:16:31
Speaker 5: This is an extremely... extremely difficult case to talk about. And, you know, we appreciate you coming on to do that. I guess the second part of the most disturbing parts to the woman being that she had to wait 48 hours to receive treatment from the services to try and help her. What do you say to that? Surely that's not good enough.
01:16:53
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, I completely agree that the details of any allegation like this are deeply distressing and my thoughts are certainly with this particular person and I did have the opportunity to speak with her yesterday and I thank her for that. Stacey, on that, SA Health have advised that this particular person was seen on the same day that staff were notified of this matter. But, you know, to be honest, I don't think it's helpful to be going into the detail about what happened or what didn't. You know, what I can say is if there were shortcomings in the care provided or the process that was followed, I They'll be identified and rectified. But, you know, I agree with you that the truth is that any wait after something like that is harrowing. And we want to try to do what we can as a community and as a government to reduce that time. And it's exactly why we had a Royal Commission looking into these types of, matters a few years ago, and we're working through those recommendations.
01:17:55
Speaker 4: So, Minister, the victim's recollection was that the alleged offending happened on Friday and she wasn't able to have a shower and brush her teeth until the Sunday. So you've just said it happened the next morning. When you spoke to her, did you manage to reconcile your two varying, differing timelines?
01:18:15
Speaker 23: Look, the point of my call to her was to let her know, firstly, that I care.
01:18:20
Speaker 11: Secondly.
01:18:21
Speaker 23: that I'm looking into this matter on her behalf. And thirdly, to see if she was willing and gracious enough to have a further conversation with SA Health and the excellent people at Yarrow Place about what happened here. And lastly, of course, to make sure that she's getting the support that she needs now. And to her credit, she was very grateful for my call, but also willing to have a further chat with the team and the experts. I'm not a clinical expert in this space, and it would be, quite frankly, inappropriate for me to get involved in managing her particular case. But I'm pleased to say that I was able to connect her yesterday with a senior person within SA Health.
01:19:02
Speaker 4: Did you apologise to her on behalf of the government?
01:19:05
Speaker 23: Look, I absolutely expressed my... sense of sadness for what she experienced. And, you know, I think she was grateful for that.
01:19:13
Speaker 4: So from your perspective, everything was handled perfectly well from the state side?
01:19:17
Speaker 23: I can't say that for certain. What will happen is that the experts will be looking into this to see what went wrong. The key point here is that I want South Australians to make sure that they know they can call and seek help because, you know, these are just horrendous circumstances. We don't want anyone experiencing them. It's why we are working every day for the coming years to make sure that we can reform the system in the ways set out in that Royal Commission report.
01:19:41
Speaker 4: So the Royal Commission, so Recommendation 54 is that SA Health ensures timely access to forensic medical examinations. Can you guarantee anyone that you're saying right now will get to see a forensic expert in a timely fashion when you can't even establish whether it's happened in this case yet?
01:19:56
Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely.
01:19:57
Speaker 23: Look, we're investing an additional $ 4. 4 million this financial year and in ongoing financial years. in Yarrow Place, which specifically focuses on doing those forensic examinations. We're also doing a big piece of work rolling out those forensic examination kits to the regions. We know there's been a problem there over the years in regional and remote areas and we're working through those matters at the moment and I'm pleased to say that we're rolling out additional training to ensure people can access support closer to home in the regions. There's a whole lot of work going on in this space. Unfortunately, It just takes time, but that is my job to make sure that all the parts of government do their bit and will continue to do that.
01:20:37
Speaker 4: Recommendations came out last year. How long does it take to get people seen to in a timely manner after they've had something this bloody awful happen to them?
01:20:45
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, trust me, I'm frustrated with the process too in the sense of there's a big reform piece we need to do. Quite frankly, I think as a state we dropped the ball over... you know, forever on these types of matters. We're trying to reform a big system. It's been 12 months since the Royal Commission recommendations came down. We, a couple of weeks ago, released an implementation plan which sets out specifically what we're going to do and when. And I'm impatient, just as you are, to get things done, and I'm pleased to say that work is happening, but these things.
01:21:20
Speaker 4: I'm not just impatient. I mean, we're talking about a woman here who's saying she waited two days where she couldn't brush her teeth. And we can't even establish whether that timeline's accurate.
01:21:29
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, as I said, their experts will be working with her to establish what happened there. And if there were issues, they'll be rectified. But look, I completely agree. We need to do better in this space. And that's exactly what we're doing. My thoughts are with her. And again, I thank her for being so brave today. in coming forward, and I encourage others to seek help and support where they can.
01:21:52
Speaker 5: Minister, you spoke about the Royal Commission and the announcement a few weeks ago for the rollout to implement those recommendations, but that rollout plan is over a five-year period. How urgent is this to the government if the recommendations can't even be addressed in a timely manner? I mean, five years is a long period of time.
01:22:11
Speaker 23: So it sounds like a long period of time, but the scale and size of this reform is immense. It's across all areas of government. It's about health, police, courts, all parts of government. And I can reassure the public that what I've noticed since being in this role for five months is that there is great investment from all parts of government in getting things done. But what you will see over those coming years is is me, but also other ministers standing up, announcing various things that are happening along the way. And I can say that those forensic evidence collection kits is a top priority and we'll be hopefully making an announcement about that in due course.
01:22:54
Speaker 4: Once you've had the experts review this case, if the victim's timeline is established as accurate, do you guys owe her an apology then?
01:23:02
Speaker 23: Look, I'm happy to keep talking with this particular victim. Again, I thank her for coming forward. I'll leave her in the hands of the experts. That's what they do every day. And, you know, I went down to Yarrow Place yesterday and spoke with those experts directly. And they are, in fact, been in touch just yesterday with her and will keep working to make sure she gets the support that she needs.
01:23:26
Speaker 11: Okay.
01:23:27
Speaker 5: Minister, thanks for your time.
01:23:28
Speaker 23: Thanks very much.
01:23:29
Speaker 4: 23 minutes after eight, lots of texts coming through. We'll get to some of those shortly. We also turn our attention to football on the other side of this break. Ryan Fitzgerald will be on the program with his take on the Crows Clash Saturday night. If you're heading to the Royal Show, visit Quincy's Confectionery for something deliciously sweet.
01:23:48
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01:23:56
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:23:58
Speaker 11: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:24:05
Speaker 4: Fitzgerald throws his left foot out and it bounces. It bounces.
01:24:11
Speaker 22: A goal.
01:24:12
Speaker 11: A goal.
01:24:12
Speaker 3: Fitzy on 5AA Breakfast.
01:24:14
Speaker 4: Feels like a big one this morning. Ryan Fitzgerald on 5AA Breakfast. Thanks to Walco at the centre of SA's biggest cover-up with their incredibly good-looking Walco Mesh pool cover. Fitzy, we've been debating all morning whether this is a Saturday night tip where you can possibly go head over heart. How are you feeling about the Crows' chances up at the Gabitoir? This is tough.
01:24:33
Speaker 11: I'm a bit confused this morning because I'm just looking through the show bag guide as well, Will. I'm thinking, do I think about the Crows or do I go gag magic show bag? Stace, what are you thinking?
01:24:45
Speaker 5: Magic for sure.
01:24:46
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll go gag magic. It's not very often Brisbane play two bad games in a row. That's what I'm really worried about. There's... Damien Hoyne, who works at Champion Data, has been saying all year with Brisbane that you can tell how Brisbane are going to play in the first five minutes of that game.
01:25:13
Speaker 4: Oh, really?
01:25:15
Speaker 15: Yes.
01:25:15
Speaker 11: And if the pressure rating is up high, look out because they are there to play. But he says that all the bad games that they've– and there's been quite a few games where Brisbane have been flogged this year, not just beaten. But actually beaten convincingly is that you can tell in the first five minutes of the game if they're on or not.
01:25:38
Speaker 4: They've often looked like a side that struggled for motivation. And when they find it, they're dangerous. It's hard to imagine they won't have it in a knockout. The alternate narrative, Fitzy, is what Rowie's been saying this week, that maybe this is a team that's gorged on success. They're a bit satisfied.
01:25:55
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:25:56
Speaker 11: Now, look, I agree. I agree. And it's... I mean, when you are successful so much. But, you know, there's some really big players that are out of form at the moment. I mean, Charlie Cameron, Cameron Rayner, these guys. But I don't know. It's so frustrating because you just don't know when they're going to turn it on. And it could be this weekend. But you know what? All we have to do is focus on ourselves, our structure, and how we've been playing. And that's been really, really good. And if we do that again... We're every chance of winning Saturday night.
01:26:30
Speaker 5: So, are you going with your heart, Fitzy? Who are you tipping?
01:26:36
Speaker 11: Oh, Stace, I'm tipping with my heart. So, I'm tipping Crows, but my head says that Brisbane will not play two bad games in a row.
01:26:47
Speaker 22: Yeah.
01:26:48
Speaker 5: Okay.
01:26:48
Speaker 4: That's a reasonable position.
01:26:49
Speaker 5: And then we've got the Friday game, the Dockers and the Cats. Who are you tipping?
01:26:54
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, look, Just as a Crows supporter, to make myself feel better, I want Fremantle to go out in straight sets.
01:27:01
Speaker 4: Yeah. They can be the new September whipping boys.
01:27:06
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly right. And then Longmuir will be under the pump to win a final next year or he'll lose his job.
01:27:12
Speaker 4: That's a good point. So you've created a scenario where Crows fans are cheering on danger on Friday night. I don't mind that.
01:27:19
Speaker 11: Finally, we don't have to boo Danger anymore. We can cheer him on, finally.
01:27:24
Speaker 4: He was remarkable last week, wasn't he? I love when the old blokes can still turn it on.
01:27:29
Speaker 11: It blows my mind. I retired from football at 27. It's amazing what he's doing with his body at his age and just the power that he has. How he– there's not many players in this game that can win a game off their own boot, but he's just magnificent to watch.
01:27:51
Speaker 4: Well, Fitzy, we hope your heart is righter than your head on Saturday night.
01:27:56
Speaker 11: Go the crows. Come on, boys. We can do this.
01:27:58
Speaker 12: All right.
01:27:58
Speaker 11: Well, thanks. Good luck, guys, and have a lovely week.
01:28:02
Speaker 4: Good on you, Fitzy. Walco, the centre of SA's biggest cover-up with their incredibly good-looking Walco Mesh pool cover.
01:28:09
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01:28:17
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:28:21
Speaker 4: 17 to 9, if you think you've got Adelaide's oldest TV, or at very least you've got an old TV that's rattling around with a good story, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Anyway, you can be in the running for one hell of an upgrade if you call in right now. On 8223 0000, because we are going to upgrade someone's TV in grand final week with a 65-inch. LG 4K OLED smart TV valued at $ 4, 000. Get set for the footy finals with big deals on big screen TVs. Best brands, best raised prices at Harvey Norman now. Get calling 8223 0000. The Premier last night delivered the Sydney Institute's annual lecture where he said he urged the far left to reflect on their intense self-righteousness, sanctimony and piety that underpinned the Great Awakening and might have triggered the extraordinary rise of far-right politics in Australia. He also deigned to make the case for immigration, which we are currently submerged in a Reverse auction in Australia at the moment where the lowest number wins. Very few people, even in saying that they have a number, will argue for why we have to have any. The Premier is, and he did last night. Premier Peter Malinowskis, good morning to you.
01:29:36
Speaker 11: Good morning, Will.
01:29:37
Speaker 4: Good morning, Stacey.
01:29:38
Speaker 5: Premier, we want to get to the content of your speech in a moment. But firstly, how do South Australian taxpayers benefit from you being in Sydney, giving a speech to the Sydney Institute about a federal issue like migration?
01:29:54
Speaker 6: Because what the federal government decides to do when it comes to migration policy is set to have massive implications for our state. And it either could be very positive or it could be very negative. And I think it's important that people in positions of leadership are willing to make arguments on stages such as the one I was given the opportunity to speak on last night about arguments for why sustainable migration is necessary. in a whole number of different respects. So, you know, it's not lost on me that this is the first time the Sydney Institute's invited a Premier outside of New South Wales to speak, and it's a big national platform, and if I get the chance to argue the case for South Australia, then I'm going to do it.
01:30:39
Speaker 4: Do you have to do it because you feel as though your federal counterparts are doing a bad job of arguing for it?
01:30:46
Speaker 6: Look, I'd make this point. I think that currently the... political discourse about migration at a federal level in particular is focused all on the negative, all on the negative, rather than anyone actually making a sort of cogent argument for the positive. And I think we've got to have a bit of a balance. And I'm happy to sort of take up the cudgels and make an argument for it. Look, I know where the political winds are blowing on migration, like we're seeing a massive movement growing across the country that's you know, anti-migration. So it's not a vote-winning exercise, clearly. But I do want to outline the arguments, principally economic, around why a politically-driven cut to migration will actually leave existing Australian citizens worse off, not better off. And it's time that, you know, we start putting a bit of facts out there about how that's the case.
01:31:46
Speaker 4: We'll make the case because the opposite case is one that our listeners are well-versed in. House prices are up. The cost of living is being driven up. Infrastructure is being stretched beyond its current capacity. What's the counter to that?
01:32:01
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:32:03
Speaker 6: Let's just look at the budget, right? And these are federal treasury numbers. When an Australian citizen born today, they cost over their life, on average, an amount of net negative $ 85, 000 to the budget. They cost more money than they do raise on average. Now, just to explain that, you think about it. A kid born today, we support them through their birth, then childcare, then preschool, then primary school, then high school, then K-4 university, and then they start working. Then they work their life, pay income taxes as a result, and then after they finish working, You know, they might go on to the pension that costs money, aged care, hospitals, bulk billing, you name it. So on average, it's a net cost of $ 85, 000 for an Australian born today. For a skilled migrant, when they come into the country, on average over their life, it is a net benefit to the budget of $ 198, 000. Now, how does that work? Well, because when a skilled migrant arrives in our shores, they've already had the training and the schooling and the education, so they just start working day one. and start paying income tax that day. So over their life, it's a net benefit to the budget of $ 198, 000. Now, the reason why that matters is because in Australia, we've got this massive demographic problem coming down the line. In only a few years' time from now, for the first time in the history of Australia, we're going to have more people over the age of 65 than we do under the age of 15. That's to say... more people going out of the workforce than coming into it, which begs the question, how are we going to pay for people's aged care, their pension and everything else? So I'm just making the argument, even on just fiscal terms, that it is important that we don't slash migration in a way that ends up shooting ourselves in the foot. It's about having a balance.
01:34:00
Speaker 4: I think on the issue of skilled migration, even the most ardent critic of current levels would accept that if we have a shortfall in doctors, we need doctors. If we have a shortfall in builders, we need builders. But I think the issue is that we peaked at 556,000 people in 2023 coming into the country, and it was hard to argue that they were filling any of those critical roles or that they were all filling those critical roles. Haven't we got here because the federal Labor government lost control of the border?
01:34:26
Speaker 6: So post-COVID, there was obviously an explosion, particularly when you start taking into account all the Aussies that were coming back home post-COVID.
01:34:35
Speaker 4: September 22 is two years after COVID.
01:34:38
Speaker 6: Let's go back a step. We saw an explosion post-COVID, and of course it's about getting a balance. I'm simply making the point that rather than saying, okay, here's the number, we're going to fix it, and then we're going to retrospectively work out how to do harm to the economy to address that number, I think that we should be starting from a position of work out what we need and do.
01:34:58
Speaker 9: It from there.
01:34:59
Speaker 6: And what clearly is being discussed in the federal government at the moment is people How do we do this? Because let's take international students. Let's talk about winding that back. Well, that would be another act of complete madness because we've got a productivity problem in our country that's undermining people's living standards. So how do you improve productivity? Well, one of the best ways to do it is to increase research and development to get more out of labor productivity. Where does our research and development funding come in this country from? Almost exclusively through our universities and international students. So if we cut international students, we have less R & D, we have less productivity, and then we wonder why living standards are going backwards. So I, for one, think that would be crazy. Here's the thing. In Australia, we don't have a migration crisis. We've got a housing crisis. So I think we would do well just to focus our attention on that effort, including making sure that the people that are coming in, you know, sparkies, plumbers, brickies, you know, concreters, Rufus, Tylers, we need these people coming into the country to help build the homes rather than actually cutting them. That makes the problem worse.
01:36:09
Speaker 5: So are your federal counterparts listening to you when you make these arguments to them?
01:36:15
Speaker 6: Well, I've been making them for a while. I mean, you know, I didn't just give a speech last night without them being fully aware of our position. And particularly given what's coming down the line for South Australia.
01:36:28
Speaker 11: So.
01:36:29
Speaker 6: We've got the lowest unemployment rate in the country. No one's less than us. We're at full employment. Do you know what state in the country has the biggest shortages according to Jobs and Skills Australia in the workforce? South Australia. We've got more occupations in shortage than any other state in the country because we're at full employment. The economy's performing well. Now think about what's coming down the line. We've got the massive expansions that BHP has been planning on copper.
01:36:54
Speaker 4: We've got AUKUS.
01:36:56
Speaker 6: Now, just those two things alone is going to suck a lot of people out of the existing workforce. It's going to take away tradies. It's going to take away Sparky's. You know, a lot of people are going to get sucked out of the existing workforce to go work on those projects. Now, who's going to backfill that work? Who's going to be doing the electricals in your home if they're all working on frigate submarines and in the copper mining?
01:37:22
Speaker 4: So, you know.
01:37:24
Speaker 6: I've been making this argument with the federal government for a while, and last night I guess I took it up a level publicly. And so I hope when they make their decisions, they're thinking about not allowing South Australia to miss out on the opportunities before us. Other states have had the skilled migrants when they need them. Frankly, I think we should get them when we need them.
01:37:47
Speaker 4: Premier Peter Malinowskis, thanks for joining us on 5AA Breakfast this morning. The Premier of South Australia there. We're going to get to a lot of your texts, but we need to take a very quick break and check traffic. If you're heading to the Royal Show, visit Quincy's Confectionery for something deliciously sweet.
01:38:00
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01:38:35
Speaker 5: Think of the 300 two were positive John was one of the positive ones. The Premier makes a good point that we have more pensioners than under-15s. Who will do the work if we don't have immigration? That's from John. Most of the texts, though, are saying the issue is not the number of migrants. It's that we do need the skilled migrants.
01:38:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, I think most of the texts broadly are saying, yeah, there is an argument for skilled migrants. It's just not what we've been seeing.
01:38:59
Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
01:39:00
Speaker 4: Which is actually not dissimilar to what the Premier's saying. But we've just diluted the politics of this entire complex issue down to who can say the lowest number, which is what he's actually railing against. I actually don't think the positions are that different on this issue. I think there's very few people that are actually saying no migration. Not even One Nation says no migration, by the way. They've got 135,000 new visas. It's just everyone's sceptical, the degree to which, A, governments have the... the capacity and willingness to control it. And I don't think we've seen much of either of those two things in the last couple of years until it's become this big issue. And B, the definition of what constitutes skilled migration or necessary migration. I think, I actually think part of what he's arguing against, certainly by the text we're getting listeners to sort of get.
01:39:46
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:39:46
Speaker 4: There's not too many people that are saying it should be zero or the population should be lowered. There's a few, but that's not the overwhelming majority.
01:39:54
Speaker 6: No.
01:39:54
Speaker 5: And it's just about, I guess, the political discourse because it is rare. to see a political leader speak in a pro-migration sense.
01:40:02
Speaker 4: That's a great point. He's the one actually making the case, even if it's implicit in the numbers others are releasing. Let's have a look at the fuel situation. To get stuck on the side of the road, get RAA Road Service. The cheap spots, the United Blair Athol Prospect Road, $ 1. 95. 9. And the cheapest diesel is Leroy's Mono Para on Main North Road, $ 2.
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Speaker 8: 39. 5.
01:40:21
Speaker 4: Sorry we couldn't read all your texts, folks. We certainly read them and appreciate your thought that you've put into them. We'll be back tomorrow morning. Big morning. NFL, AFL, it's going to be fun.
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01:40:43
Speaker 4: Yes, we get it.
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