OM DENNE EPISODE
Two days after meeting Gabriella, we’re on the mic realizing how rare it is to find instant connection that feels grounded, healthy, and full of purpose. What starts as a casual post-gym hang turns into a late-night sauna conversation about discipline, spiritual growth, and why God can accelerate healing when awareness finally clicks into place.
We get practical about motivation vs discipline, including the simple habit of moving your body for 20 minutes a day, not for aesthetics but to rebuild trust with yourself. Then we go deeper into faith and discernment, unpacking a line we couldn’t stop repeating: “Time moves at the pace of your perception. Awareness is the only clock.” We also talk about people-pleasing, over-explaining, and what it looks like to trust God’s direction even when others say “just give it time.”
We don’t dodge the complicated stuff either. We discuss astrology and zodiac culture, the Enneagram and MBTI, and how even “helpful” frameworks can quietly compete with our identity in Christ if we give them too much weight. The goal isn’t fear or judgment, it’s wisdom, spiritual discernment, and learning to listen well.
If you’re craving a Christian podcast conversation that feels honest, funny, and deeply real, press play. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs encouragement, and leave a review so more listeners can find Cup Of Joy. What’s one small “yes” you need to say today?
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Welcome back to the Curve Joy podcast.
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I'm your host, Amanda Joy, with a super fun and exciting guest.
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Um, would you like to introduce yourself?
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Sure.
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Sure, sure.
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Uh my name is Gabriella.
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I am here doing it, uh, speaking.
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Someone passed her the mic, and I guess I guess we're here.
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She the mic got passed, and we're gonna utilize that mic tonight.
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So here we are with Amanda.
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We there's so much to say, I feel like, but we could start.
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It's crazy.
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It's been 48 hours.
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Yeah, okay.
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So, super quick backstory before we get into what we're talking about.
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Uh, we just went to game night.
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That was fun, except for Gabriella didn't actually play any games, but it's fine.
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It's cool.
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It's cool.
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But my sister-in-law comes up and she's just um she's like, So what are you doing tonight?
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I'm like, Well, I'm just gonna record an episode with Gabriella.
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She's like, Oh, that's cool.
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Like, how when, like, how'd you meet Gabriella?
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I'm like, I met her like two days ago.
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So now we're here talking about it.
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So, do you want to share like your POV of Wednesday?
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Was it Wednesday night?
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was Wednesday, which would it technically would have been the second time that's right that we saw each other, but like the first time we got introduced a couple weeks ago.
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Uh-huh.
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But then there was a lapse, life things happened, and then um Wednesday night after Lady League, we were just you know, vibing.
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Such an experience when you're like getting to know someone for the first time, like all of the colors came out.
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That's been like a big thing of mine that I say recently is like just let all the colors out.
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They don't have to, you don't have to hide them.
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So in doing that, I somehow attracted Amanda and Jordan and so many other lovely souls that have been coming in, but like these just like huge waves of connection just in two days.
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It's so good, so crazy wild, and just like crazy.
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Then I thought you were crazy because I so Jordan every Wednesday is always like, Amanda, are you coming to the gym?
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I'm like, No, I'm it is eight o'clock at night.
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I'm going to bed.
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Yeah.
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But then this Wednesday, I'm like, Jordan, are you going to the gym?
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Because I uh when was it?
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It's probably been a week ago, and there's like one thing that I'm really honing down on, and that is moving my body every day 20 minutes.
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And it's not about the actual, like, no physical benefits, none of that, but just telling myself like being disciplined.
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Yes, like being a woman of my word, because I have trained my body and my mind to lie to myself and like be okay with that.
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Like I'll tell myself, like, okay, this is what I'm gonna do tomorrow.
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And then I wake up and negotiate with myself, and then I end up just like leaning into comfort.
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And so I have not taken that 20 minutes to move my body.
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It's eight o'clock at night.
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It was later than that.
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It was like closer.
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It was pushing nine.
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It was pushing nine.
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And so I'm like, okay, I already have pretty much a workout outfit on.
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So I'm like, I'm gonna go sit in the sauna.
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That's my window.
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And then Gabriella, you're like, I'll work out on the sauna.
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You're just like so like, yeah, let's go.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, okay, we're going.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then we did.
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And then yeah, I mean, like, just that whole that whole motivation and discipline and how they don't always line up.
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And then it's crazy because like that's what you're looking for.
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And I have these things and these like frequencies that I'm looking for in my life, and I'm like focusing and honing in on.
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So we're showing up.
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What?
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That's what we're doing.
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Like swapped sweat.
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That's what I knew.
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I'm like, this is I'm like, I feel like I'm cheating on my best friend right now.
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But then afterwards, we did work out.
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Yeah.
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And I just thought it was really cool because after the workout, this is a I almost felt like God created a moment that was such a like iron sharpening iron beginning of a friendship where I was just like setting up the barbell to do some barbell squats, and you're like, What?
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I haven't done that before.
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I'm like, girl, you work out six days a week.
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Like, what do you mean?
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What do you mean you haven't done this?
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What?
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So I, yeah, I was like, this is how you do a barbell squat.
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And then afterwards, you're like, let's do dump or what was it?
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Deadlifts.
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I'm like, oh, I don't do deadlifts.
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Like, let me show you.
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And so it's just really cool to have this moment of like, uh, I showed you a workout and you showed me a workout, and and that movement that you've been trying to hone in on, yeah, moving your body for 20 minutes.
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We didn't do it for long.
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We just pretty much showed each other because it was it was late too, and we hung out in the sauna and like had a whole convers, like we talked then and like kind of got deeper with things and faith and you know, spirituality, and just like the journey and how it's not linear.
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Basically, we covered all of that without identifying that that was what it was, and then we did the thing and moved our bodies and like and then we like text me.
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Yeah, I'm like, okay, okay, and then when was that Wednesday?
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That was Wednesday, so then yesterday, yesterday was just a random day, but then today's Friday, it's Friday night now, and like I texted you, and I was like, So actually, if we gotta cash in that text message, it wasn't just like, hey, how you doing?
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You you sent me four text messages, you full sent it.
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I love that.
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I love that you literally told me like you you'd said it multiple times.
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You were like, dude, did we like we both were like it's like that like did we just become best friends?
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Like because it it just and it wasn't it's you know it's powerful because it was like I've had a lot of friendships, and these friendships, I don't I'm not negating them when I say this.
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Like that's absolutely not what it's about.
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But like I've had a lot of friendships that have gotten really deep really quickly because you're trauma bonding for that season, yeah, and they mean something and they don't, it's not that they don't mean something, but it was like refreshing and just like a a growth, which I'm a huge like I look at like I try to be a student of life, like the classroom never ends, you just are on to a different one and you choose that.
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You can choose to stay open and curious about that and your experiences and like you can question why things are happening to you without having a negative connotation around it.
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So like just being able to like I guess I just I don't have like the room to not be what like 100% where I'm at when like I'm not I don't I don't have a very I I don't have a I'm not hiding anymore, I guess.
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But I like I was just you know going through things in life that were super heavy, weighed me down a lot, and I didn't realize how much of like who I am and like the essence of who I am.
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Like our job isn't to our job is to be, but if we are so wrapped up in all these external things that are always happening, like trust me, though like it's burning everywhere all the time.
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Like we live in a broken world, like scripture says that and reminds us of that repeatedly.
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I just have to, it's almost like it's on repeat.
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Like it's just a way of thinking that I keep go like I keep doing it, and even when like I just learned what crashing out means, it's like you're just like having a minute, and so so now I I like joke about it because I was like, like when I when we're talking about this, like today, like, oh crashing out, like la la la.
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Like oh yeah, so you're crashing out when you text me.
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I cra I was crashing out, yeah, because and that's like a super vulnerable thing to say, but basically there's like huge like ripples happening in my life right now that just very much like I think the crashing out is justified, but I have this hot take that I have had for a while now, probably like a couple of years, but I've never said it out loud to people.
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Basically, I feel like like I get so much feedback about like okay, time, like you just need time for what you're going through.
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Time, time, time.
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And I think that that's valuable, and I think that there's space for that.
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But I also think that time moves at the pace of your own perception.
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The fact that you can just see, see, like, but we're gonna I'll get into it later, but like the the ways that we've seen each other in the last 48 hours, crazy.
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But part crazy, crazy, like there's you can't tell me that God doesn't exist.
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Like, you just I'm I've always said that, but it just it's every day something shows me more and more and more, and I went through a really dark spiritual time.
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But, anyways, the point of this time moves up the pace of your own perception.
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Awareness is like the one and only clock.
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Truly.
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That's good.
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That's good.
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Okay, do you guys have notes?
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Because we gotta write this down.
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Okay, you say it one more time just so we can like get our phones type into our notes app.
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Okay, I will say it one more.
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Yes, I when people have at the paper and pen, they're like going through the drug drawer right now, they're trying to find that pen.
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Dude, I I really think like, okay, time moves at the pace of your own perception.
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Awareness is the only clock.
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It is 100% okay to feel the things and acknowledge everything that's gone on and like feel like things are unjust and unfair to what your situation is, but like that's it.
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That's really good.
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That's so I mean, Tyler and I were like I mentioned you earlier today.
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I'm like, we were dating for two months before he dropped down on the knee.
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Like, that's crazy.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's so crazy.
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But another example, you knew we knew, and like it didn't cause division in any of our family, our friends, like the people that were in it with us, like they were excited and celebrating, and they were not at all like, oh my goodness, like what are you doing?
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Like, this doesn't make sense.
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Like, it made sense and it made sense to the people in our circle.
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Now to the people who knew of us, they're like, uh, I didn't even know they were dating, and now like she has a ring on her finger, you know?
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And then they tried to fill in the blank of why that was, and it was solely because of the Lord, and solely because he was the one who had, and if you've listened to like previous episodes, um the vision that God gave Tyler that I would be his wife, and so we trusted in that, and then on the other side of all of our decisions and all of our like acts of obedience to that and saying yes, led to everything that we are in now and just like seeing the fruits of it.
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And so if we had listened to our peers who had told us, like, no, give it time, we would not be where we are today.
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Or even like when we got married, and then like we ended up getting pregnant seven months later, which we honestly were like leaving that also up to God.
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And people also would speak into that and say, like, give it time, like be married before having a child, like just give it time.
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And I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna listen to what the Lord has to say and not not what you have to say.
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And now I have a very joyful and beautiful baby girl, six months old, and like if I had given it time, then her existence child I've ever met.
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Keep going.
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So sorry.
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She's so sorry.
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I cannot, I cannot with her.
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I love her so much.
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She is so precious, like her whole art.
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Okay, but I can't imagine like not, yeah, like her not existing because I listened to people telling me to give it time.
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She, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And she's like a living, breathing testimony to that.
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Like, she I that's so crazy wild, also that you say that, because it's that thing about like that not listening to that external validation when you are a people pleaser, like when you are naturally like a people pleaser or someone who likes to be liked.
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I think we all deep down want to be liked.
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100%.
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So when you have those perceptions of you, it's so hard to think like, okay, do I just keep going in what I'm doing, or like this like to not let those perceptions dictate how you move through life or how you use your discernment.
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Something I've learned, I feel like, with everything that has gone on and just changed in my life, like it's been a lot, you guys.
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I've learned a lot last 48 hours.
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I love that you're like pause, you're just like yeah, so there's been so many, so many things.
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And if I didn't have the discernment now to realize that people are gonna people are gonna say what they're gonna say.
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And I used to be the over-justifier just because of my background, like I would explain everything that I did in my life, every decision I made, every situation I was in, every like I just I had to over say.
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And I like to that point where and I used to think that I was like like a natural helper.
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Like, I don't know.
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Do you do like the M have you heard of the MBTI like personalities?
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I obviously I know it's an Enneagram.
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Okay, Enneagram, yeah.
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So you're two?
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So the crazy okay.
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That's I I was gonna start with MBTI because or just like some sometimes even zodiacs.
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I know like zodiacs are not like hot take.
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It's a hot take because you can't conform to the world.
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So when I was really seeking the Lord, um, right before I had this radical like transformation, like fully gave my life to God.
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We haven't like shared each other's testimony.
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No, I know.
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We're like we're brave.
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This is all unfolding right now.
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Oh my gosh, so much.
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But like before all that happened, I had a coworker who was super into astrology, like super like the sun, the moon, the all of it.
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And then she gave me this book, and then I remember specifically like sitting down and kind of realizing, like, okay, I don't know about this book.
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Like, I'm just like more confused.
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Like, I'm just really confused about who God is, and like this isn't giving me the answers.
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And this is before I'd ever like read the Bible, and like she, I will never forget, like walking, she was like walking out.
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Oh, I remember this was after I gave my life to the Lord.
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I decided, like, I gave her back the book, and I was like, I just don't think this is for me.
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But I had my Bible reading in the back of the room, and when she was walking out, she looked back at me and said, Let me know when you're done reading that nonsense and when you want to know the truth.
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What?
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And so feel like if we're giving it power, we're because have you ever heard of familiar spirits?
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So I'm almost feeling like it's like familiar spirits are not of God, but they know a lot about you because they have been following your generation of ancestors and what they struggled with, they know what your parents' parents' parents struggled with.
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Familiar spirits follow like past generations, so they know all that your family has struggled with.
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And so when you go and talk to like a median and they're like, I can talk to the dead, and I can talk to your dead grandma, and they like actually know stuff that like only you and your grandma would know.
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They're not talking to your dead grandma, they're talking to the familiar spirits that know your dead grandma.
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You're blowing my mind right now.
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So it's like this is it's not like that.
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Is not of God.
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And so going back to astrology, it's like yes, there may be like okay, I'm a natural foodie, whatever, but it's like I'm not gonna give power to that because that is not like God, He says that you can only serve one master, and there's only one God, and there's and He is the King of King and the Lord of Lords, and so He's the only one that I can truly like give that power to, and give that like when I say give that power to, I just mean like giving my attention and my time and like talking to him and not believing in astrology.
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Yeah, yeah, no, okay, so this is this I love I love, love, love this.
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Like, we're we're doing this right now, we're getting into this, and this is so good because these are things that I think there's a lot of resistance around speaking about or just like identifying in the world and and trying to learn like how to just like naturally go through it because that's because I almost felt bad that I like like know I'm a Taurus as a Christian, like just knowing that I am.
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I'm like people are mean and ruthless on social media that are just like yeah, how dare it scary.
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It's scary to be vulnerable and put yourself out there like that and just like know a fact that isn't aligned with your faith.
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And like, so that's so funny because as you're saying this, like all of it is hitting, and it's not it's something I've looked into and like I've known about, but I I've tread very lightly and I'm careful because I'm like, okay, this is like information, sure, but you can easily, easily fall into, but I you you can you can just fall into exactly what you're saying, where it becomes not like it becomes a focal point over these truths, but I also feel like you can do that with the Enneagram.
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I know you can do that with the MBTI.
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I know, you can do that with these tools that Myers Briggs, like it's all of these things can and very much are actively becoming a part of that where it like takes over.
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So, like you said 100%.
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It's so funny that you brought up Enneagram because I I had a really good friend.
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She had me take the Enneagram years ago, and you were like, Oh, you're a type two, aren't you?
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Are you a type two?
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I'm a three-wing two.
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Okay, okay.
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So she was so I typed as a type two.
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A few years after that, typed as a four.
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Really?
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Uh-huh.
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Took it again, like probably within the last year, typed as a two.
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I took it again last week.
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No way.
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Literally last week, and I was like, all right, I'm because I haven't I had taken the INF or the MBTI and I'm an INFP.
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If anyone knows what that is.
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But um, so I was like, I I just feel like I need to, and that was at a point where I was super listening to like I do feel like you're I don't think you're type or like there's certain things about you that don't change, but my friend, I say this because she was typing as a s as an eight.
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The challenger.
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Yes, and she's she retyped as a six.
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And it's super controversial of like, oh, you can't change types or you can't, whatever.
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Well, MBTI, you have your what you score, and then you fall into your best fit.
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I scored as an INFJ, but my best fit is an INFP.
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I don't like structure as much as I thought I did.
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And so whatever, you learn these parts of yourself.
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But I I took it again.
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I was like, all right, you're in probably the healthiest spot you've been emotionally in your life right now.
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Right.
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Like you're typed as a four again.
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So that was the second time retyping.
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And I was like, they're not the same at all.
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Like the individualist and then the serving of all the wait, and two is like where you are sober, the helper.
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Yeah.
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And a four is I think the creator, the the individualist.
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Is it the individual, which is if you knowing what you know about me in two days, I I think that I think there's both sides.
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I think I am a nurturer, a core piece of me, but it is not the it's not the core.
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And then you go back to the Bible, and then it's just like very like point blank, no confusion.
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You are a child of God, a daughter of the king, you are beautifully and wonderfully made.
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Like you like, it's just like all those things that you can hold on to and memorize and speak, where it's like, I do think that the design.
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Design of the Enneagram, I think it was for like group settings, like making sure that you had each part of the Enneagram in a group in order to like have more success in the I don't know.
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I don't know if it's a corporate thing or if it's a school, like university thing, or when you're doing, but yes, like the balance of like there's somebody who's like naturally a leader and someone who's naturally like a peacemaker and someone who's naturally the challenger, and like you have each piece, and that it kind of forms like a a good, I don't, I don't know.
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Like a symbiotic relationship.
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Yeah, that it can just feel good.
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Feels good.
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But like for me, I almost will I am the achiever.
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And there are traits about that where I'm almost like, well, this is just like because it's the way that I am, like it's the way that I'm designed, it's the way that God made me.
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But like you use it as a crutch.
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Yep, subconsciously.
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And when you're or like this will always be how I am, or like, oh, then I'll never be a challenger, or like now I'll I can never be a peacemaker because that's not who I am.
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You don't let yourself shift into the the things that you that God is.
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Like 100%.
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Like you can have more than just We are multifaceted.
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Like you're almost being put into a box.
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Yes, yes.
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I am this big.
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You get you can't see it, but like I'm she's a very her index finger is almost touching her thumb.
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You know, you know what I'm saying.
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Well, Pinchy, like this pinch, like we're this big.
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There is so much I feel, and I I mean it's been heavy for me, right?
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Like we felt that today, and we'll get into that, but like we have so much to get into.
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Like we have yeah.
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Um, do we need another podcast with just us?
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We do.
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I kind of feel like we do.
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Is that gonna be born right here?
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I think it's being born.
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Oh, it's being born, it's happening.
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What's the kind of what's our podcast gonna be called?
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Thank you.
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The pass the mic dog.
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Pass the mic dog is not gonna be our name.
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Pass the night, D-A-W-W-G.
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Not dog.
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Two W.
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Pass the mic dog.
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No.
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No, that's not it.
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Um like behind the mic, or like just two girls and the mic, but there's two mics.
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There's two mics.
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Two girls and two mics.
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Double.
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But when when I'm not, I do I also actively choose not to think, but I was thinking, and the light always changes.
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And so that is something that you're always thinking about when like when I'm in my painting brain, I'm the light is always changing, so I I'm always making things relative.
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I'm moving color in a way that is relative to the colors around it, which is a huge thing.
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Uh, Cammy Menlik is my teacher, just gonna shout her out.
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Not just deciding that I'm gonna do that, but um, if you don't know Cami Menlik, you should go look at her art.
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It's profound, anyways.
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If you put that into perspective about like your life, right?
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Like, even like the Lady League lesson was on anger, and I was so angry on Wednesday, and I'm not an angry person.
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Like, if you know me, you know, like I'm just not, it doesn't come out that way.
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And so I was so angry, and I it's just fight anger, like we've established that talked about like righteous versus sinful anger.
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Yes, yes, and it's like very much identified, even not by me, like by everyone, like it's right, it's righteous anger, but the light always changes.
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So if you think about that, like like think about like just in a nature scene, right?
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Like the sun is always changing.
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This was deep.
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This was like a lot of just like bouncing off.
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I feel like the biggest thing that was like diving into was like understanding that like you can't give power to things like the zodiac, the enneagram, the bunch of letters that you said.
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What was that?
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.640
Oh, yeah, MBTI.
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MBTI MBTI virus because at the end of the day, like your identity is in Christ, yeah.
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Like that's your identity, not only reading God's word, but applying it to your life and knowing that he is your guide, he will never leave you, he will never forsake you, like he is here through and through.
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You're right.
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And I think the first thing that comes to my mind is we like that's the point and using discernment to know because you're the only one who's gonna know how much of these things you're taking forever growing.
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Because if you are not open to growing, I don't know how you or you don't want to hear somebody else's perspective or how they look at the world, or even like being able to disagree with someone in a healthy way.
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In a healthy 100%.
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It's like staying grounded in truth, yes, but being able to listen and and listen to understand and not shut them down and not throw back scripture to debunk them, but just listen.
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Just just listen.
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Stop talking.
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Yeah, stop talking, stop interrupting, stop like whatever stop creating sentences in your head as you're listening to people talk.
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Like, stop the chatter.
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There's so much noise we get from the world, from people, from other voices in our heads that we heard growing up that become that like voice inside of you that talks to you and it changes, like based off of what you've heard.
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Like, I can hear different versions of like my inner child talking to me.
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Like, if you really stop and think about what you're thinking about and what you're letting yourself meditate on, it's the mind is so malleable.
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Like, we can do so much, it's crazy.
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We can see it, we can change the way we look at things so much, and that's where like that concept of like we are this big.
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She has her index pink to turn over.
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It's we're this big, we're so tiny, and like there's like I can sit here and think about all these crazy wild things that have gone on and be like upset and just really like get stuck.
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:30.000
Like it's not hard to do that, but when you when you zoom out, there are that's like like you were saying, how oh, like if you're this one type Enneagram, then you don't experience all these other things.
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:31.920
Well, type nines are peacekeepers.
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I am a huge, like I just want pe like we should just be friends, yo.
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Like everyone, everyone should just be friends.
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:44.880
We don't need this, like conflict is it feels so unnecessary to me.
00:28:45.279 --> 00:29:02.799
It feels so like conflict isn't bad, but it's healthy conflict is very hard to find, or healthy boundaries or healthy ways of disagreeing is just like being able to honor someone else in the way that they think and the way that they view the world and space and time versus how you do.
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Like, no two people are the same.
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Right, you can be similar, but we we are unique, we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and we are different.
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Mold it, like it's just like there's not just one ray of colors, there's like thousands of colors that the eye can see.
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There's thousands of sounds and pictures, like I think about that.
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I'm like, so I'm seeing the blanket that you have wrapped around you, and I'm like, Do my eyes see that that pink a different shade than you do?
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:33.680
Right.
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.720
Yes, because of the pink.
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Both are like, it's pink.
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We know it's pink.
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But how bright is it?
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Are you about to tell me it's like not pink?
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I'm like, no.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:49.359
No, it it see, but it's so funny because you would say pink, I would say beige.
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I I would say I'm pink.
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:58.319
So we we probably are seeing it differently though, because we have different we are literally that's what we were different, right?
00:29:58.480 --> 00:29:59.359
That's crazy.
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:06.000
But that's it's so funny because when you put that into like painting perspective, and when I think about this, I think about life.
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Mm-hmm.
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Is this our one takeaway?
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This is a shit.
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Oh we have to keep it.
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.279
Oh, I have to keep going.
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.079
Oh, I have to stop.
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Takeaway, no, the takeaway is intuition.
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Intuition and listening and discernment, discernment.
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That's the way I see it, but what are you seeing?
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I am seeing you literally have no idea what God is gonna like put in your life tomorrow.
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Like, you've no idea.
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:49.519
Like, my what I'm seeing is like you can try so hard to plan, yeah, but at the end of the day, like God's plan is like a bouquet compared to your little like petal flower.
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:58.720
I was sitting here this morning, uh like trying to record a podcast episode, and I just like didn't even know if I just started reading screen.
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.480
I'm like, let's just have a Bible study together.
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:22.559
So I just like opened up my Bible and started reading about um the farmer and the sower and just like reading in one of the gospels, and I just wanted to have an episode where we just like die, like we just dove right into God's word and then talked about it, except for I guess it's just me talking.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:30.480
And as soon as I like started, like Juniper woke up and it got interrupted pretty quickly.
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:43.119
And it was just like, dang, like another reminder, just I just want, I just pray and just desire like another person to just I don't know, like come alongside and like help me with this.
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:54.160
I have people in my life that love me so much that they would be a part of it and they want to be part of it, but like it's like that love and that excitement, like that like true inner excitement.
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.319
Your inner child kicks on in your life, yeah.
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And so when I'm like viewing this within how many hours, like here we are, you know, and just this the yes, like we didn't know this would happen unless we said yes to the small things, and so I think the big takeaway is that your act of obedience to the Lord, that big thing starts with a small yes, and my small yes was you texting me four messages, this crazy girl, and it worked.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:38.480
I'm like, oh my gosh, I accidentally friended one of those girls that like doesn't know um social boundary.
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:40.079
No, I wasn't thinking that.
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:41.759
I'm like, are you sure?
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:42.960
No, I for sure wasn't.
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I'm like, I'm gonna just call her.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:46.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:48.480
And then I don't even remember what I said.
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.680
No, you're like, listen.
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.119
I'm like, oh, I'm listening.
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.920
You're like, okay, I'm gonna listen.
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.759
And I said yes to some of you asked, are you available?
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.160
And technically, no.
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No, I wasn't.
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I had errands to run, I had a list of things to do, I had like all these things that I wanted to do at home, and the Lord really nudged me, like, that's not what I have planned for you today.
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:26.799
And so I said yes to the Lord, and through that, on the other side of it is him actually coming through and showing me, I don't know, just like something like 10,000 times better than I could have ever imagined.
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:36.079
And some of that saying yes was 10,000 times because like you never like sometimes you say yes, like dang Bush, I didn't say yes to that.
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.839
Like, yeah, I'm drained.
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.480
Yeah.
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But yes, that also ties into discernment because over time it's like you're learning to like hear from the Lord and understand what that looks like and those promptings that are truly from the Holy Spirit and those promptings that are on your heart.
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And so it like goes two and two.
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So I think an action step is to say yes, like say yes, and on the like, don't wait, like, don't wait for God to clarify.
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.039
Yeah, like I think that that's on the other side of the yes.
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:23.360
But I was also gonna say prayer goes a long way, and I this was definitely a friendship that was the behind the scenes of like God moving in prayer, yeah, and so just remembering to like the power behind that because who would have guessed?
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.559
But thank you guys for listening and being a part of this.
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:29.599
This was so good.
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:34.239
Thanks for saying thanks for you saying yes to being on the podcast.
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Thanks for challenging me and just like being a witness to my life right now and for being you.
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Oh my gosh.
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We need we need you.
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We're gonna go to bed now.
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Yes, okay.
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We are peace and love, peace, love, and blessings.
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Bye.
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Bye.