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[SPEAKER_05]: What is this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Roman Coke told him to mix it a week.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We got a long way to go here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK, I don't drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What are you kidding me?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Take a drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't put alcohol into my body, OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You drink that drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Laws of inhibition is crucial to your success tonight, OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alcohol has been a social lubricant for thousands of years.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think you're going to sit here tonight and reinvent the wheel, please?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, you did one very good thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You lied.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You made something up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Keep that part of your brain working, all right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: We get those girls over here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Your first instinct is going to be to open up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It tells the truth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Fight it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just keep it interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Play up your novelty.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're 16-year-old in a bar.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_05]: My father owns the bar.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got a month to live.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're an actor researching, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Improvise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Check the time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What time is it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's about 702.
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[SPEAKER_05]: A medic alert bracelet?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, it's instructions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm having my body cryogenically frozen if I die prematurely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a world surrounded by groovy podcasts, three men will risk it all to try to stand out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the herd, it's a sin of a nine-pied guest, with your host, Eric Brantstrom, Michael Goviay, and Travis Roy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is the cinnamonine podcast and B.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's great to be here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mike as Travis and it's Eric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know the crew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know the crew, pleasure to have you aboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're very first cinnamonine adventure, if it is welcome to the club's cinnamonine podcast, gmail.com, so you can connect with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today we're going to do Roger Dodger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last week I got really pissed off because I failed in the exam and I had a really bad day so the guys gave me a reprieve They wanted me to be a part of this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did watch it last week So we're gonna talk about Roger Dodgers shortly, which was Mr.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Egg branch of selection But first Travis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're on a few minutes earlier than usual Yeah, it's nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's earlier than usual for me, which is good
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although for once, I'm actually well rested because I got some, I got the sleep in because I hit the day off because my car broke down yesterday and I hit the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell, man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just hours on the side of the road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a 20 degree weather.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really good day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, then you spend hundreds of dollars that you were going to save for a new car, but instead you're going to spread it on the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wrong Christmas to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, perfect timing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, things happen, it could be worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it could be better, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be better, it could be worse, but like, overall, you know, I'm doing okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least you're fucking dog didn't die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like my dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of what I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, because the big words for me thought they had it all out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, it's spread under the radar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I actually didn't pick it up, and it was, I think, skipping day of all times, around me by my family, that she looked weird, and I had to take her in, and that was that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now we're all Thanksgiving for ever now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna think of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I'm thankful that my family was there so that I could go and say goodbye to her with an inch without worrying about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt protected and stuff, but I mean, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of life's great griefs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the hardest things to have to go through, is the loss of what he loved pet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It really is one of the hardest things to go through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's, I was talking about this Leanne the other day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I never.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to get to say goodbye to the dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The dogs have just disappeared from my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My whole life, it's really fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really makes me feel uncomfortable when I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause the last, my mom had a dog that was based of like my dog named Mack, and he was an airdale tearier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we had him for like 13 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, yes, I was like going through some things and I was kind of in and out of life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I admit that back in 2016, but one day, she just set him off to like some farm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never got to say goodbye to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: really a bummer so I'm grateful that you got that time with your dog yeah I mean I'm I'm really sorry I know I'm much you love Mickey and I am it is it's hard to lose him it is
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[SPEAKER_02]: when you have at least a little bit of preparation to emotionally prepare yourself for that possibility for that I mean you know that going in right it's always part of the deal that you're more likely than I can outlive your dog doesn't make it any easier that sure knowledge but uh uh yeah yeah I don't know I'm trying to find the silver line or like grim comfort I guess but it's just sucks I'm sorry man thank you there's a couple of quotes I've been kind of carrying around with me one is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grief is love with nowhere to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so true because you say I have that love in your heart and it's just feels like there's nowhere to put it And this one is so sweet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It says that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come into our lives to teach us about love and they leave to teach us about laws, but the love is still yours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that so sweet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we all live and die, so you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like to be taught about love and then the death lesson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually really like that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what we want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One episode where I'm not going to be laughing at death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually I'm all mad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think Van Dyke jokes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I fucking did Van Dyke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got lives my dog, the piece of shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, unreal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That fucker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dick Cheney didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he already did what he did though, so it doesn't matter that he's dead now On the positive side of things and everybody want to wish Eric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, send him an email Simon and I potted G-bell.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'd love to hear about your dogs your pet memories We'd love to really celebrate this stuff and learn and we're not opposed to that kind of stuff So send us an email if you'd like just like Joe did we've got another additional
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't guess that character actor, bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great, by the way, at first timers, we get three clues and you're all welcome to guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Clue won his grandfather and father both served in the House of Representatives from the state of Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in 2002, he inherited the family newspaper business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His grandfather started all the way back in 1920.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any guesses off that first clue?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's ringing bells, but no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, grandfather father both served in the U.S. House arrest for Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lineage there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number two Not only a long time character actor he is also a prolific voice-over actor most notably as This is gonna give it away for probably both you because I don't know this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No notably as Mr. Krabs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh god damn it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know his name from Highlander Yeah, they do you know this guy classy brown land bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Brown Nancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be it We got Clancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I finally got one of these.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I won't let the answer is it Clancy Brown Got to be it absolutely is
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yes, he's Mr. Clams on Fun Fab and also Lex Luther on DC comic things videos movies with a gun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He voices a lot of a few of characters on it, invincible as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wasn't he in the, did he have a small part or something in the new Superman, too, or am I, is that another movie he was in, there must have been a movie the last year, Clancy Brown was either in or a voiceover that, I can't remember this right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been active, and of course, yeah, of course, clues through clue three is yeah, and you do frame.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Hadley, do you trust your wife?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Captain Hadley.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to look funny or suck at my dick with no teeth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for the dialogue, Joe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would have gave it away for sure if I didn't know the first one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... yeah that was uh... the sponge bob where they re-enact uh... no so there it is thank you joe sit on iphone jimo dot com and if that were not enough today we have an extra special bonus for this episode it's holiday season recording of this ever second twenty twenty five and we've been trying to get to this for a while we're going to do our top five actors currently as we all time all time currently our top five list for all three of us are favorite actors that means women men anybody okay so we're not just doing actor actors right
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well your tentative Travis, well let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll take it from five to one We'll go each person from the five that we'll do four that we'll do three that we'll do two You guys know my one and two that's not gonna be the most you know there's no mystery there So really should go with the other direction here, but I got I got five white man I'm gonna talk to talk to you guys about I guess Okay, we got that off the books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess get that off my chest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number my number five is
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[SPEAKER_02]: the one I kind of felt most uncomfortable about because there's a few prominent movies of this actor that still haven't seen and so I feel a little low to be like this is one of my favorite actors of all time except for that fact that he's been in two of the best movies in Hollywood history oh my gosh just twelve angry men and the graves of wrath i'm talking about Henry Fonda
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[SPEAKER_02]: His personality, I've heard some things, but as far as it works that the man has done, just truly a tremendous actor able to really take those two roles alone and those other stuff that he's done as well that I like but you take those two roles alone
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just, the pendulum between like the, not like he placed an evil guy in a good guy necessarily, but just two completely different characters and two different sides of the tracks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But still depicting such an important part of life and he was so good at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the wrong man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get around to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On the list, number five, this was fucking tough, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I scoured through like a top thousand actors list on IMDB because I could not wrap my brain around this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go with 1000 actors and I finally came down to the, mostly came down to, if they pop up on screen, regardless of what the movie is, at my enthrall, at my hypnotized, can I turn the channel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so many awesome actors that are like, oh, man, come on, let's sit in through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm kicking on to it, the gentleman on my, my number five, he surprised me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single time he's on the screen, I sit there and watch the entire movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love every single one of them sitting there thinking I'm like, every time he's in a movie, he's good in his entertaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my number five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is a legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, talk about a body of work, my number five.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So hard at how how many times do we need to reiterate how difficult this was it was so hard man But I love this guy and every time I see him on screen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He entertains me We talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Eric was with me Travis not so much But I'm going number five is for me as Wesley Snipes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how much I love this guy when he's on screen He's just yes, he can do action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen the blade shit Pastor 50 seven, you know these are stupid movies, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: they're entertaining to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when he gets funny, like, demolition men's the gold standard of his hilarity mixed with action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just think, good guy, I think if you do it all, I think there's a better drama,matic role still left for him, like meet on the bone for him somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just hasn't happened yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that does have some day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right that I don't share the same level of appreciation, but I do think that you make it a good point with your pick and that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not, you know, I mean, I didn't, I'm not picking Daniel Day Lewis for instance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I acknowledge he's probably one of the best living actors, but we're not picking like, necessarily the best actors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're picking like our best actors, like our favorite actors, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my number four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picked a guy that I remember at one point I announced I'm gonna watch every movie that this man has done and I finally got a couple of years ago to be well to get some of them but this guy this guy is known better for his comedic work but I love it when he had these rare dramatic moments or of mania which he did so well I'm talking about the great
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gene Wilder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were going to say just in long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can you imagine if we would have got like some like an old gene wilder really like, like, sheldon Levine and Glenn Gary or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He should have done more dramatic work, but he always had fun with the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the both of us, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number four is wasn't hard at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is one of the great legends of all time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, one of the most respected actors of all time, but just again, just so hypnotizing, mesmerizing, but will there, you can't take your eyes off the screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you with those beautiful blue eyes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The great Paul Newman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to say Paul Newman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What else can be said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric, you get one of the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting the 20th century American classics down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What can I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing that can be said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, that just reminds me that the greatest actors ever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely up there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the greatest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're watching probably the best performance ever given by an actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not on my number four for my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry nothing personal though rest in peace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also his fundraising new men's own That's pretty cool too, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah sure still out there the shelves by the way Let's tell me bought something of new men's Anybody at that long got that long ago months He's got a nice gross and pizza Few ingredients not very expensive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you feel good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to the chair We're not earning the charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even mean yeah Works for me
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to make this list anything but my own and I'm doing this because I just love when she's on screen and no it's not Reese with her spoon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the shocker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love anything she's in and she could do both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's hilarious and she crushes drama I put in Kristen wig is my number four for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love her any time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see her She's hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She crushes her life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's an all-time top five legend for the whole He's series 50 years of that show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a top five or my opinion and whenever I see her in a movie Whether it's a dumb comedy like
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[SPEAKER_03]: Extract or more series movie like the Martian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I I mean she doesn't always get the main part but for me I just love what I see her and I look at the movies I like her in and Anytime she's on screen on my fan so I'll put in Chris and we'd number four for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that's Blast of me, but this is violence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me do my theme in Left field, all right house
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[SPEAKER_03]: I caught it out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea whatsoever that you were that big a fan or a fan at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be in your top five after I said something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Living and dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said this is a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On this date today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're talking about Clint Eastwood and Kristen Wig.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how many in a high regard, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's hard to pull off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not judging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just it's a shocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You knew it would be a you knew it'd be an upset when you said when you chose it I Get know how much would be but that's interesting and okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right fun stuff
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, again, you made another good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I thought about like, try to throw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I got all five white men here, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's my own shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm true to myself, these are my five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these are my five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my number three is another American classic that actor that I still haven't seen everything that they've done, but he's in my all-time favorite movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to go with the original every man, Jimmy Stewart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There it is, is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love watching him do anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything he's ever done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I so could up with the spoon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not an expression, but you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, there's a lot of this stuff I haven't seen, but you know, Winchester 73 Vertigo, there's 73, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got the number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many other great movies that he's done, but it's a wonderful life is the greatest movie of all time, and I love him in it, and I just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel him in my bones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Manor shot Liberty Valence on the greatest film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another ball of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is shocking to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it would be shocking for most people who know cinema history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But wow, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't know it was a fan of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Intense drama, light comet Philadelphia story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, he's got some heavy picks, Kristen Wake, James Stewart, Paul Killing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Daniel Day Lewis for me, and most of you have been listening, I love just a craft of acting so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I love most about movies is performance and the way a performance just seems like magic, like a magician doing something that is not possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you become a completely different character that's not you, it's magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I watched so many of this fucking guys' roles, it's just, it's electrifying, it's just, it's, it's, it's, what do you say here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The great day of the day Lewis, it's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean enough said here, unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I sitting around watching like the unbearable lightness of being, who, that's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like when push comes to show here, it's magnetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all encompassing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's everything to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with like my left foot is like your 10th best movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Michael, come on now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't heard one name and I better hear it pretty soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, better not have forgot it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been saying this recently and it wasn't just hype.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Dave Strather.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a topographer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love his work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Would character or get in the main role I still got to see the thing I wrote down that you watched recently and I haven't been able to find yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will watch that a little prayer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for the reminder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's also in the new season of a man inside which I enjoyed this week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll have to look into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But really, after seeing the Lawrence Clayborn man, it just kind of resumended it and kind of re-establish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this guy's got to be on my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He just does, it was a, for a movie that's 30 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was at a awakening, a reminder, a strong embrace of the dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember me and I never saw him like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, to me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, to be a Pierce patch at then be that doofus and then just be kind of a humble guy who works, you know, in sopranos, the character he plays there who's still a horny, but, you know, a humble guy to a certain extent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's all over the map and I just, whatever he's in a movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He played a picture and ate man out, like he was on the black soxie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's consent into anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is almost unrivalent in his ability to blend into any type of
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[SPEAKER_02]: scenery period would have you all of them you all right Lincoln sneakers you're looking good so we're right yeah well you'm so perfect casting or all all right so uh my next two you guys already know so I'll just do it my my my my my special mention you know just honorable mention you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think these guys are free of the best living actors and I think that their names all you're a bit you're raising your eyebrows there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love the foes, not on your top two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he is not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's uh, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, number two, I'm gonna, I, I have to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really struggled between one and two you know I only I have framed pictures of both of these men in my house yeah um but uh I got to say that Phillip Seymour Hoffman is my number two actor oh my god mostly because he uh is gone and was cut short so I didn't get to see him get into an experimental phase necessarily or get really really weird but the body of work that he did
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[SPEAKER_02]: is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never forget Mike, you calling me and telling me that he had passed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, and that was like, that was still probably the hardest hitting celebrity neck for me, just because I was a fan, like, from a set of a woman from nobody's fool, like talented Mr. Ripley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember getting really into him around then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a really big fan as a, like, so as a teenager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is someone who's career, I followed and watched his, uh, you know, I'm next stop Wonderland and shit, like then I was watching, you
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[SPEAKER_02]: Watching him grow and blossom as a performer and then having him taken from us was really rough, but still like talking about a guy that the depth of feeling that he could bring to it, any role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You look at him in a money ball, for instance, like this is like
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[SPEAKER_02]: The work that he does and something like that, it's just so lived it and believable or you get really deep in there with love lies or something You know something really up close Just the world can't probably just plays a dipshack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know from love lies that the long came poly Yes, and extraordinarily talented and tell to dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Absolutely the rules we could have seen
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[SPEAKER_02]: And direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he only directed one film, but he had another in the in the works and I think he had a lot of hope there too He didn't imagine seeing him in true West with John C. Riley on stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Swap rolls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ Yeah, my number two No surprise you guys you're Winona writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I love Winona writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she like the she like Beryl Streep?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think her skills are have been devalued for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she is a bit actress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch, you know, you watch the age of innocence and you watch Dracula.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She can act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just she just became like this commodity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This product in the 90s that I loved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I can't take my eyes up to screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't turn the channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just so transfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this woman so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough spot for me for number one and two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like if I, I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just love, I'm in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with being just falling in love with someone on screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like being in front of a glowing picture in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and only a movie can do that in a certain special kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love and honor writer, I always will, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She gets better with a, she's still its gorgeous as she was, which she was 18 years old to me right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's such a iconic woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're doing optimal mentions at number two, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever you want, and every one to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You always do it before the number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's you nailed the placement of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My number two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is so hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know I I flip flopped on it, but my number two is crewed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Billy There you go, all right, all right, I was so very good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bill Peterson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Bill Peterson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really do, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah that was painful that was probably the hardest one that i eighty six and uh... well crystal wig you know i mean yeah i mean there i don't know i love it she does and ego and christian man i'd love to see them in a movie together that'd be great casting we make that happen hollywood somehow
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, uh, Denzel Washington.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean the guy is iconic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some honorable match-up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The top dogs here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Travis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to have any delay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know the answer here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is my favorite actor, gentleman?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nicholas K. Nicholas K. Nicholas K.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that have to say to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because even when he does dog shit, which he does, he does dog shit movies where he does dog shit performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's still God damn fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he has a turn, but he can do two movies back to back that will be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then disappointing and bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like he's just
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[SPEAKER_02]: if you really doubt me I would recommend watching bad lieutenant to port of call New Orleans I think that this is the finest example of him on film because it's so bizarre and so unique and over the top and yet at the same time it really demonstrates like that he could be so out to lunch and
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[SPEAKER_02]: dead on point at the same fucking time like no one can and he takes huge risks he's one of the most experimental fun exciting actors that have ever lived I love Nicolas Cage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really felt bad displacing Phil of Seymour Hawking's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always said he was my favorite, but as time has gone on, Nicolas Cage was taking the number one place in my heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You feel what you feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel what I feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm taking a look at some of my honorable mentions here, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the great Denzo Washington here at the top of the, I don't know, mentions list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the fantastic, um, Mr. Tom Cruise, I cannot go wrong there any time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a great, uh, fucking love Tom Cruise and, uh, George C. Scott, uh, almost snuck in there, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, it's, you know, just in terms of just pure acting ability and again, that magic, just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the emotion you're going to vote the such an evocative actor provoked so much emotion out of you and anything he does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton, almost nuck in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking love Michael Keaton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, this is number one top spot for me is, uh, Jack Nicholson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, we've split hairs here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the man that can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Batman is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the shining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the cookers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, these are four completely distinct personalities, characters, roles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I never think of one while watching the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That says so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's charismatic as fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an incredibly intelligent, capable, classically trained actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just so fucking entertaining as no joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he will always be number one for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's kind of strange.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It almost seems like it's too much of a cliché to say it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he he's just been around for so long and has such a like we all know the story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a do because first story about him popping that rip that stripper's fake breast for that earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, there's things like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've heard that story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a lot of stories, but I don't think it's just the fact that for a big chunk of my life, he was always my number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He really was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's not in my time five.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then makes me feel like maybe I'm over correcting or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good call.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He belongs on in this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Decades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Different decades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God, I couldn't believe how hard it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you guys could believe that you guys could relate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're out there trying to put your whole list together, love to hear, send them an iPod at gbll.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'd love to get some different opinions on our list, or your own top five, actors, actresses, anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, I guess I'm a little surprised because
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, but you see the del Toro would be on my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't make the cut.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to say that on this date, mine everyone is Michael Douglas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you look, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little surprised myself, uh, I don't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, I'm reviewing things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really took some time about this list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I watched a Wonder Boys again recently, which I would say you two love more than I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it, but I hit me a lot harder and I started to think about people at Gordon Gekko and then he played the,
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[SPEAKER_03]: what's his name great great great great great great great great thank you greaty and Gordon Gekko these are two distinctly different events and he crushed both those roles and those just two examples of a story career so I'll go Michael Douglas I'm wrong I go Dr. Stu behind the candle opera oh my god dude oh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of boys alone is it's seriously one of the best movies of all time Oh, I'm on board.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do it excellent really enjoy this exercise I glad we did it So to have a lot of people that Kyle let us know what you guys think give us your own thoughts We'd love to hear his feedback on this All right, so it's not got a quick quarantine view.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He picks you again in this
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh, it's only been three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like they're watching anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're giving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was on Thanksgiving break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched a lot of fucking shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will try and condense this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were going to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there for, you know, let me back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I rewatched wicked the first one because I was kind of underwhelmed for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, by it when it came out, but I wanted to watch the new one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I liked wicked, better the second time I watched it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I loved wicked for good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it in theaters the opening night and it was the last Jedi I'll over again where I walked out being like, that was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's going to love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I started looking at the reviews and I'm like, what the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we all watch the same movie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what the hell?
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... but i i i really like we can forget i thought it was a wonderful emotional uh... climax to a lot of setting up uh... that was in the first one that was fine but uh... i thought this would really like since it's like closed the story up well so uh... what can i say
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then I've gotten a Christmas movie mode real quick, especially when speaking of my favorite movie of all time, it's a wonderful life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it in theaters for the first time with their friends Steven Corey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jim Jr. will do like this monthly rewind or like, yeah, like every few weekly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a few weeks, so we got a rewind thing, well, I have something in theaters that's really old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to see that in theaters, and it was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he walks out of his mother's house, the boarding house at the end, he looks towards the end, he looks at the cameras all shaking, and oh man, it was such an experience to see it on the big screen like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fucking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We really skewed the A's level down on the three of us, because we were the youngest people in there by far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more fun and empty right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we clap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we clap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and and then it's been like just a barrage of Christmas movies Christmas story followed by your favorite follow up a Christmas story Christmas from 2020 to which I like to even better the second time Eric I know you really hated it but after watching them them both kind of not back to back but within a few days of each other like I really feel like it's one of the best long like sequels look when there's a long gap between them because I think it pays homage to the original without
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, leaning completely too heavily on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it strikes a balance pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's actually a pretty good movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, then I watched, yeah, Bishop's wife, bad Santa, love, actually, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The family's stone, I don't know why I keep on, like trying to rewatch it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I watch it, this is like the fifth or sixth time I've watched it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every time I was like, oh, I fucking hate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why I keep on hating it more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I watched it this time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I cry once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like somebody's changing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like shit, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, God, I am someone who really likes Jennifer Sarah Jessica Parker, and a lot of people don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do, and she's her character so annoying in this movie, so it's really annoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Revisited vertigo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't seen that a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: watching Jimmy Stewart follow someone he's following there uh uh uh no with Kim Novak there's a lot of scenes of that but it's a beautifully shot and uh lastly I'll just uh wrap this up a stranger thing season five episodes one through four has come out
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[SPEAKER_02]: Season 4 was one where I was like, I don't know if I'm going to watch this, and then I got on board and fucking loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it may be the best season of the series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was really excited about Season 5.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And these first four episodes were just fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were just fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember I really was into the first season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, every season's nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Followed up since then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me it's worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I hated the fourth season,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I you hated the forces like hey, I thought I was so great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just check out them Okay Anything else Travis More criticism he's getting it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't name them all Listen man for previous doc Hollywood and one fine day again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch shit man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a tumultuous heartbreaking a week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came in think straight But I did go to the theater the first time and The theater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna theater Okay, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the bring my kids to see this is it to be a two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love like the first half hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we had to leave because my kids were fucking going nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to we had to we had to get out even though the whole theater was like crying kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't take it as someone there We had to go but I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where was your choice or the kids were just like we got to get out of here We it was like collectively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We we got to go as is too much Maybe not give them a of the large sprite in their two years old
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[SPEAKER_01]: But listen, I'm a way out the door in my neighborhood and my tail between my legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I happen to glance at a poster that was hanging on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we fucking blind here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a new movie coming out from James L. Brooks, starring Albert Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know Albert Brooks was in it, but I knew he was coming out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a woman's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot the character's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a woman's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I bet it's going to be an Oscar candidate looking forward to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what James L. Brooks is back in Albert Brooks's and tell where the fuck is Mike on this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is huge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's coming out like in weeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we didn't like how do you know, but I'm still in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great news for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like how do you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh good shit see I got loss of the fog that you both hated it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That makes me feel better actually good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also going to make that christian wick beat out Albert Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get an honorable mention.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy you bring his name up more than you bring up your own father's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's an excellent actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love how we're broke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God damn it's he now is like we didn't read the list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't take me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No one, uh, no one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jeanette.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was our first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's our first draft for over a second draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's come back in a couple of months and see how we've changed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like Travis changed when he watched Family Stone for the six time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
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[UNKNOWN]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I watch a bunch of trash.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've fired up only the brave again after I came back in Arizona because it's about the firefighters I recommend this will be a good Josh Brawl in Miles Teller.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an excellent film a fucking Jeff Bridges It's a good cast and it's a true story about real-life firefighters checking out only the brave came out 2017.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Then
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched Roger Dodger, I watched, uh, okay, I can mention these, I watched contact again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit movie man incredible we did that in the show also sure did love content got i hope i said it held i can't remember well it didn't hold it got it all pided uh that was really enjoyable uh fired up stay tuned i watched a tuned like every six months and that was my annual stay tuned viewing there it up i watched the king of stat now again i feel like we talked about that maybe somewhat recently so i fired it up again and i really enjoyed it i like that movie
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... hope for the holidays that you know steaks giving there you go i'm i'm getting more into it now i'd like it more i start to watch it every holiday season now so it's becoming a part of my rotation likes you Travis and we did the show before the foster and her directorial efforts
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they're that beautiful coat that holly hunder wears in that movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So beautiful woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not my fabulous coat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I watched a movie I never seen before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it is called Matchstick Men Nick was Cage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Never saw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Never saw it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm another great one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really Scott deserves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This should be a notch in his belt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hear much talk about this film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I finally watched it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some reason I have never motivated to see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was a solid rock solid film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent check it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He never saw me as a woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's the deal?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was in Loman And I watched search a destroy again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched that movie is like every month I don't want we did the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just love them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a shoe sign bowl No, no, no school And I watched this is 40 Like what movie That's right a lot of repeats some comfort films enjoy those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into it Erka proves
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[SPEAKER_03]: been a fun show so far now we're going to get to our main course does it hold up an odds that we do ever week we pick a movie we dive into it break down and give you our bottom line answers at the end about whether holds up or not so let's kick it off Eric you picked this bad boy Roger Dodger starting cable Scott in the debut of Jesse Eisenberg in 2002 this movie was everywhere all over it was in every single one of our VHS players for like a year played on repeat over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, for some reason why I and it's one of these like why do we watch this over and over again, it's like the cruelest movie, but yeah, we watched it over and over again, a lot of one lineers, a lot of jokes and I put it to bed like a couple years after I'll all of this Roger Dodger melee, but a long time I saw a million times back in the day, but again, just I put it to bed thinking that that you know that was that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been about 25 years, so that's all I have to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one I did not catch in theaters, but 2002 was after film school, but I was working in Blockbuster again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was definitely like a something that came across my field of vision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch anything with Campbell Scott since singles I've been a fan of Campbell Scott.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So him and a leading role especially still like today if he did a leading role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because at this point he does a movie like every two years and he's like a supporting character like okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he really needs to act.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not driven to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I was on board and I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I bought the DVD and watched the fuck out of it and had the poster up in my apartment and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was a big fan of this movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then didn't think about it again until we started doing this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we started doing this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been on my list for a long time to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been, you know, I knew it would be a good one for this, for this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was one that we watched the fuck out of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's been like 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely on my list to I'd love to this movie when I was exposed to it in 2002 Just it's immediately hit me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any familiarity with Campbell Scott at that time So this was really my introduction and I had to actually see singles at that point You know, I had so I was like, oh, who's this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is George C. Scott's son.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this And I liked Jesse Eisenberg
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of guy, first time I saw him, like, oh, who is this guy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember thinking that, and he obviously has a career now too, but yeah, we quoted the shit out of this movie, a lot of lines were quoted back at 4th of one another, 22-year-old hornball, so I can't deny who, I mean, there's a 22-year-old young man living freely without a girlfriend and just, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: going bozo fast so this movie was like oh yeah this is what i'm gonna you know maybe i thought it'd be like that i never like New York but anyways we'll get more into that loved this movie haven't watched as much i think i checked in every couple years but maybe it'd been longer because i'll explain more on that um what's the rating on this bad boy i need to be rating we always like to guess Roger Dodger 2002
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm going to say six, four, six, four, six, eight, you know, I almost said six, eight, oh, I feel like I, I feel like it's always my guess though, I'm trying to break six, eight, yeah, yeah, I'm not in a good for you, low amount to only 18,000 people have rated this film, that's a low number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very low film, you know, it still is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what's the director's name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody off the top of the head?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you name it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Kidd, because I looked it up recently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love his work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was going to be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: nothing nothing uh... he did a follow up with uh... that was shit right then he did a few movies i'd ever saw him yes not a lot didn't seem like you win his way i mean uh... he i did direct some episodes of that stupid show children's hospital which was hilariously done if you're into that
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like on a adult swim or whatever in 2011, he also did the movie PS in 2004.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw PS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think not PS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But whole tomatoes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got 88.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Critics love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In a 76 much more approved on their side from the audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: critical analysis, some of the greats of their time, Roger Ebert were still around for this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a, Mike Clark, USA today as vanilla as it gets in my opinion when I think of like a reviewer, Mike Clark of USA today says, Scott's low key portrayal makes Roger interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a low key portrayal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Descent Thompson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A sophisticated but intriguingly toxic comedy of manners, come at your manners, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Intrigually toxic is, you know, a dude, a manor, a manor, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tucks it, come at your manners.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira, Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira McDonald at the Seattle Times, she said, a skillfully made but ultimately annoying drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, she's flat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Damn Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know woman didn't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about a Roger Ebert, the man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film is not just a lot of one liners, but has a buried agenda as the funny early dialogue slides down into confusion and sadness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He likes it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a little bit of a bait in the switch here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you kind of think it's going to be a bit more of a romp than it is and it gets increasingly serious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it definitely does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get one more split here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael, I can say to the village voice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: back in 2002, he said, Roger Dodger avoids asking the thorny questions as in, why is this insidious creep worth an entire movie?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched this with Leanne.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And God, I can never know, I guess I could watch it without her, but boy, I was really on edge and like cringing a lot Literally with my face for some scenes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was and I never done that with this movie before my life I don't remember doing that honestly It hit me a lot different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so it's funny watching it now when when we watch it when we were younger We were much much closer to Jesse Eisenberg's age
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's partly why we connected to the film is because we felt a similarity to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, he was, he was, we were 22.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was 16, but like we were, we were young 22 year olds for one, and, um, you know, he was percocious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, he kind of maybe reminded us of ourselves in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I wanted to be Roger, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I never like looked at this movie and thought that guy is cool Like I never thought like he was like a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I thought I didn't think he was a good guy But I love his slick ass dog Like this guy's cool is shit to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely thought he was cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could not deny that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I should back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought he was pretty slick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I didn't want to emulate him And I didn't like the way he talked about or like was with women, but I it hit me way harder this time Watch it now as a grow man, just especially that scene where he's like where his nephew's like hey Can you show me like how to meet girls and he starts telling him teaching him how to like how to how to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lurt the outdoor one when on the street in the neverending scene by the way, which is I think it's on ended It's very long Yes, that one was the one where I cringe the most Travis say it's a really rough scene And it's like oh god, this guy's it's kind of terrible in it He's like like a up-raded him for like, you know, you know, you know, blow my cover here like some goddamn construction worker
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's so mad at him for like not doing it right and it's like, oh, this guy's the worst And I'm like, yeah, he thinks he's like talking to a man his age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking to a 16-year-old Shitty uncle of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shitty uncle of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a 16-year-old version is my fun name for it Oh, I got a close-up the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How many close-up shots are in this film?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's close-ups, but, I mean, that's, I don't remember, I didn't remember the Dylan kids like directing in this so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything of very talky film, but the way that's directing in this kind of, um, um, unflattering camera work with these long lenses that are kind of capturing everything and being very objective to the proceedings, that stood out to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we were saying, one of the reviewers was commenting how and how it kind of changes flips the script on you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they set up this character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you'd set up like some like, I don't know, like you grant character and like a romantic comedy to start just for like some woman to come in and like change just fucking ways, but that doesn't happen to Roger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He stays consistent throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a prick throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're left a question whether or not it could change at the end, but this is what makes out interesting to me through a through an absolutely threw out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to get to the end early, I mean, he puts his nephew in this terrible situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He does have a moment of clarity and pull him out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is good and they have a kind of awkward and shitty goodbye Which he makes up for because he goes across country to Ohio and basically just to visit him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think to make up for it a little bit and It's like the only difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he goes and he goes to meet his friends and be like, let me give you some actually okay advice Like let me let me back up on it because
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[SPEAKER_02]: my big takeaway and I'm not saying you're like totally wrong, but I think I do think there is some salvageable stuff here at the end because I think that a lot of what we're seeing here is this guy is not a great guy, but we're also seeing him spinning out and that is fucking worst because he is
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[SPEAKER_02]: not handling rejection well at all and we see the way that when Joyce breaks up with him and says like be a grownup about this he's not he goes around town and like we see him like with a young marina back her in for instance we see him in like that and that older woman that's in a fiance that she's waiting for just just smearing his rejection on everyone and like I don't know that he's like this all the time
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's probably more successful and more smooth and nicer a little bit, you know, but he's like, he's just like out to hurt people in this mode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that he kind of, I think we're seeing him at his worst.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that he has some redeeming value at the end, but that's a lot longer than I meant to talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think well all of that stuff after
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Leaves is studio mandated change this ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, and it's all like we got to make this character redemptive or else we have a low green light picture, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, that ending takes away everything from you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ended just on that shot of him, after he takes that cigarette on that smoke, going around Roger, while he's sitting in his apartment, confused about his next step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a perfect ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they had to fill this way back in the day as well as just a new update not always it's like the perfect one he's character piece just ended that you got to go like try to read to you can't you don't redeem him you let us sit with this character so we can make our own opinions on it and off
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really give a shit if he changes or not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I see a guy who's hurt, obviously, from the new perspective now, I'm older, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This movie is like textbook.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I see it so differently than I did 23 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy, there's mentions of a prick father, the grandfather, and there's all these illusions to family life that we don't get any, they don't throw to the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyhow, good for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we want to, it's almost like it's a play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's in New York.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very simple set piece here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of extra scenery that needs to be put in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got characters talking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got Jesse Spano and Jennifer Beals coming in here and they're talking for a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Bella Rosalie is, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome of this movie, but I do see the women differently than I did see them a long time ago that I actually say that maybe women have more power in this movie than I ever would have thought when I saw this a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that was one of my big takeaways too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, this movie is like gasping for breath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The script is like gasping for breath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh my god, this is getting unbearable until Jennifer Beal shows up and starts bringing like a woman's perspective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, how do you think it feels to be admired all the time?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or like what it feels like to internalize the male gaze.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she starts like actually challenging him and like bringing up these points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like a good 30, 35 minutes into the movie or so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when that starts happening, it's like, this is what the movie needed so badly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like this forced clashing of genders and like ideological viewpoints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, here's, okay, so you've got this really, here's your viewpoint, like, have you considered this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the movie, it's very improved by both their presences.
56:11.649 --> 56:16.536
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, again, Isabella Rosalina, the way that she's trying to break up
56:16.516 --> 56:33.630
[SPEAKER_02]: like like a civilized like we've had our fun let's let's just go our separate ways like they're all just so much more together than him of course yes yeah the thing that the women do in this movie that I love the most is they
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[SPEAKER_01]: They remind Roger that he's nothing but a guy playing a numbers game against vulnerable people and in this case women it's all it is it's a numbers game he's going to eventually hit.
56:46.840 --> 57:11.903
[SPEAKER_01]: and every time he doesn't hit like when he goes to the bar with the older lady in the husband that he assumes is going to likely for whatever and he gets quiet like these little things that Campbell Scott does like he gets quiet and he looks awkward because his his weaponizing of his sexual power isn't isn't working and that happens with Jennifer Beals and Elizabeth Berkeley too and and all of that stuff makes the deep character work
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[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting, like you just see his, his armor get chinked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see him understand his own like potential to like damage other people.
57:20.851 --> 57:22.618
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's all really fascinating.
57:23.324 --> 57:26.909
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no tenderness for Nick from his perspective at all.
57:26.949 --> 57:39.126
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually liked that about the movie I don't know if I loved it that much them, but now I'm saying when I watch it again I really do they don't try to like oh he's you know you're the uncle and he's enough you and you know You're gonna show him around New York.
57:39.306 --> 57:42.430
[SPEAKER_03]: You know we're gonna learn a few things along the way, but we're gonna be sweet about it like
57:42.410 --> 57:45.795
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no regard for the fact that Nick is 16 other than the fact that he's a virgin.
57:46.155 --> 57:49.780
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he refers to it again and again, but that's the only thing refers to is that he's clueless.
57:50.161 --> 58:05.683
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, he talks to him like he's an adult over and over again, like a 30-year-old man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and let me back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he might he might be a terrible person don't be wrong.
58:12.381 --> 58:17.698
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he had to give me value, but I mean like the the way that he tries to get his
58:18.252 --> 58:28.022
[SPEAKER_02]: he tries to get his nephew to take advantage of this drunk woman in her in our encounter, rape her essentially, like that's an extremely disturbing scene.
58:28.863 --> 58:29.784
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, rough man.
58:30.044 --> 58:31.546
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a really rough scene.
58:31.566 --> 58:33.869
[SPEAKER_02]: So like there's there's stuff like that that he's doing throughout the movie.
58:33.889 --> 58:36.091
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, okay, this guy is this guy is a villain.
58:36.551 --> 58:39.815
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is like, he is a villain, but he's also a human lady.
58:39.835 --> 58:41.897
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got these redeeming moments, but
58:42.367 --> 58:44.449
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a fascinating character study.
58:44.469 --> 58:46.871
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the main thing is going on with the movie.
58:46.891 --> 58:52.297
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just him, though, because Jesse Eisenberg announcing himself with this movie is a really young age.
58:52.517 --> 58:54.999
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I remember being like, OK, this is the name I'm going to learn.
58:55.019 --> 58:56.241
[SPEAKER_02]: Because this guy's going to be around.
58:56.641 --> 58:57.282
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was right.
58:59.564 --> 59:05.670
[SPEAKER_02]: Watched him struggle with morality, because at that age, you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you might
59:08.624 --> 59:14.779
[SPEAKER_02]: You, if with an authority figure that you trust tipping you in a certain direction, you're going to be much more easily swayed.
59:15.079 --> 59:21.815
[SPEAKER_02]: And another terrible thing is uncle is doing is like, oh, your, your mother is struggling with alcoholism and you want to never have alcohol on your body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to drink this alcohol.
59:23.419 --> 59:24.221
[SPEAKER_02]: No more meditation.
59:24.522 --> 59:25.284
[SPEAKER_02]: You drink alcohol.
59:25.324 --> 59:26.667
[SPEAKER_02]: Like drink your drink.
59:26.647 --> 59:34.920
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's pretty terrible, but he's distracted though and I'm not excusing his I'm just diving more into the character of Roger.
59:35.300 --> 59:41.029
[SPEAKER_03]: He's barely paying attention to that party because he's so obsessed with Rose?
59:41.049 --> 59:41.490
[SPEAKER_03]: What's her name?
59:41.950 --> 59:42.391
[SPEAKER_03]: Joyce.
59:42.571 --> 59:43.473
[SPEAKER_03]: Joyce, thank you.
59:43.753 --> 59:48.340
[SPEAKER_03]: He's so obsessed with Joyce and what's happened here and how a Ben Shankman's taken over his spot now.
59:48.380 --> 59:49.562
[SPEAKER_03]: He's pissed off about that.
59:49.602 --> 59:52.266
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's giving information and
59:52.246 --> 01:00:19.789
[SPEAKER_03]: a lead to a 60 year old that seems like oh this guy's lead me in the right direction but he couldn't be further from that because he's not paying attention he's just like here go do this I gotta do this shit like he's just it's not excusable I've just I really like that this character is just given to you flat on the surface as is and it's up for you to kind of decipher like well that guy's a piece of shit or this is wrong and this is right like they didn't hold he had to hold back in the script except for the ending I guess that was studio-mended.
01:00:20.596 --> 01:00:22.177
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't know that for sure, right?
01:00:22.878 --> 01:00:24.479
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm just going off to Eric's league, right?
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:25.520
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that for sure.
01:00:25.540 --> 01:00:26.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said.
01:00:27.222 --> 01:00:35.909
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I just wish that the character so well written that I just, yeah, again, I just wished he was entrenched with this nature.
01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:45.517
[SPEAKER_03]: What it made his character so much more interesting, like, um, but like I hate to say that with this movie, we've made today thing because it's so played out now, but would it?
01:00:49.301 --> 01:00:49.641
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:00:50.212 --> 01:01:14.667
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like it came out at a weird time because like the early 2000s were like the prime time where Movies glamorized the cynical like male anti-hero like even in terms of like the sexual predator like this guy Closer okay everyone loves fucking clavo and like he's so so great in this, you know, Tyler Durton guys The absolute piece of shit rapist
01:01:14.647 --> 01:01:22.660
[SPEAKER_01]: even like somebody like Rob Gordon and like high fidelity, what are my favorite movies, it is like his nature is romanticized.
01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:33.077
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas we're focusing more on like the charisma of a character like this as opposed to the impact his toxicity is on women.
01:01:33.412 --> 01:01:37.197
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, Rodger is a deeply misogynistic character.
01:01:37.738 --> 01:01:43.886
[SPEAKER_02]: What I kept on thinking, you know, spoiler alert, but what I kept on thinking is I was watching it like, where is this guy now?
01:01:44.447 --> 01:01:45.529
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is this guy today?
01:01:45.589 --> 01:01:47.011
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is Rodger in 2025?
01:01:47.632 --> 01:01:51.457
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he is he still clinging to QAnon?
01:01:51.938 --> 01:01:56.444
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is he like a completely annotated file?
01:01:56.564 --> 01:01:58.086
[SPEAKER_02]: Like where is this guy?
01:01:58.066 --> 01:02:08.255
[SPEAKER_02]: because he seems like a front runner to like a like an early adopter of nagging and in in cell culture and all that.
01:02:08.476 --> 01:02:11.104
[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth even before that.
01:02:11.966 --> 01:02:12.107
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
01:02:12.267 --> 01:02:13.290
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that.
01:02:13.962 --> 01:02:17.626
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy, they're kind of nagging right down, right, sorry, yeah.
01:02:17.686 --> 01:02:25.053
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this, if Roger still around, he either went to therapy and got he should together.
01:02:25.274 --> 01:02:27.656
[SPEAKER_03]: If we're to believe the ending, right, let's take the ending.
01:02:28.117 --> 01:02:29.718
[SPEAKER_03]: He finally goes back home to Ohio.
01:02:29.738 --> 01:02:36.565
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe most back to Ohio, he's out in New York City and he has a new life and he's really recovered from this period in his life because it's still a phase.
01:02:36.806 --> 01:02:43.092
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger's border 40, maybe like 30s, maybe 40 years old?
01:02:43.190 --> 01:02:44.816
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're getting the ballpark of that, right?
01:02:44.837 --> 01:02:46.764
[SPEAKER_03]: So we assume that he's 38 years old, 40 years old.
01:02:47.748 --> 01:02:47.869
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:51.222
[SPEAKER_03]: I really see this guy as a broken character, who's in pain.
01:02:51.262 --> 01:02:53.993
[SPEAKER_03]: And when people are in pain, they,
01:02:54.935 --> 01:02:59.261
[SPEAKER_03]: they inflict further pain upon the world because they're bitter about it.
01:02:59.281 --> 01:03:00.102
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I see this.
01:03:00.122 --> 01:03:03.787
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I like that the characters designed or laid out as is.
01:03:04.167 --> 01:03:06.670
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's, everybody's interpretation.
01:03:06.690 --> 01:03:07.591
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the best days about movies.
01:03:07.612 --> 01:03:08.613
[SPEAKER_03]: We all get to look at this guy.
01:03:08.833 --> 01:03:09.834
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of it looked clear-cut.
01:03:09.854 --> 01:03:11.997
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, oh, this guy's, he did that, he did that.
01:03:12.037 --> 01:03:13.619
[SPEAKER_03]: That's shitty, that's shitty, that's shitty.
01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:14.901
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are facts.
01:03:14.881 --> 01:03:23.080
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're up to subjective interpretation about what his motivations are, why he does the things he does, what led to all these events.
01:03:23.100 --> 01:03:30.257
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a wonderful trail-oed movie or story that could be written about how Roger got to this point that I would be interested in watching.
01:03:32.532 --> 01:03:42.948
[SPEAKER_01]: He reminds me a lot of fucking Patrick Bateman, so many who's just program themselves, who have an ideology that's intrinsically going to be negative for him.
01:03:43.048 --> 01:03:49.297
[SPEAKER_01]: I see him in 2025 at that same bar, saying the same lines, yeah, to get one out of five of these women.
01:03:49.658 --> 01:03:55.266
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, out loud, it meant our biologically programmed to conquer and that women are biologically programmed to resist.
01:03:55.246 --> 01:03:59.495
[SPEAKER_01]: He says all the time that he says a couple times at language is the ultimate weapon.
01:03:59.535 --> 01:04:03.223
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have this smooth talker who's just using it as a tool.
01:04:03.724 --> 01:04:11.180
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks that vulnerability is this trap that people put themselves in and everything's just fucking about predators and prey.
01:04:11.661 --> 01:04:12.843
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he works in advertising.
01:04:13.024 --> 01:04:14.146
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in horseshit.
01:04:14.246 --> 01:04:16.090
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is what social paths do.
01:04:16.627 --> 01:04:36.970
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does come up a pretty unhinged person, especially in the beginning where he's like not joking like they're all trying to have like lunch and like having a serious kind of like a joking conversation He's like they're serious about like fucking telepathy like we're gonna like women are gonna evolve telepathy to make man obsolete You sound like a fucking comment section of a YouTube video.
01:04:37.331 --> 01:04:38.652
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a crazy person
01:04:40.083 --> 01:04:44.690
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he, look, he, it's valid, I think we should mention.
01:04:44.710 --> 01:04:47.174
[SPEAKER_03]: He works in advertising and the things he has to say about advertising.
01:04:47.635 --> 01:04:48.497
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I still love it.
01:04:48.517 --> 01:04:52.523
[SPEAKER_03]: I think actually, a big part of this stuff with me, because I fucking hate commercials.
01:04:52.964 --> 01:04:54.206
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't stand advertising.
01:04:54.226 --> 01:04:58.553
[SPEAKER_03]: I think advertising one of the worst things ever happened to this country, like mainstream marketing advertising.
01:04:58.593 --> 01:04:59.594
[SPEAKER_03]: It's disaster.
01:05:00.075 --> 01:05:00.957
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes people feel shitty.
01:05:00.977 --> 01:05:02.739
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he says, what's missing from your life?
01:05:02.779 --> 01:05:04.903
[SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to figure out what you're missing from your life.
01:05:04.943 --> 01:05:06.225
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his job.
01:05:06.205 --> 01:05:15.928
[SPEAKER_03]: and I think it either was like a tailor made job for him or this job took him down to even a further hold that maybe he wasn't initially and when he started as a copyright.
01:05:16.702 --> 01:05:17.463
[SPEAKER_02]: made it both maybe.
01:05:18.244 --> 01:05:22.671
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie that actually I keep on thinking of with this movie is a movie that came out after it.
01:05:22.771 --> 01:05:25.876
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it was influenced by this movie which is 40 year old version.
01:05:26.036 --> 01:05:30.503
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I call it this 16 year old version of the movie because the plot is almost the same.
01:05:30.823 --> 01:05:39.857
[SPEAKER_02]: You have some guy who get in and let around by people that will or at least a person, people that want to show him how to get laid and that's the whole purpose of the movie.
01:05:39.837 --> 01:05:50.638
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he said one night you peripherals man use your peripherals and literally had literally had the same fucking conversation find the right girl It's like they're having the same fucking conversations.
01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:51.940
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
01:05:52.081 --> 01:05:52.962
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just in one night.
01:05:53.103 --> 01:05:53.323
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
01:05:54.502 --> 01:05:59.653
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking like five minutes where he's talking about using mirrors and stuff.
01:05:59.934 --> 01:06:03.361
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to talk about what I watch this over.
01:06:03.742 --> 01:06:07.029
[SPEAKER_03]: I was cringey man, but let's I mean, it wasn't untrue.
01:06:07.089 --> 01:06:09.775
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like people men have done.
01:06:10.216 --> 01:06:12.561
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not about I know you're not arguing that point, but
01:06:13.756 --> 01:06:16.500
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we check women out, right?
01:06:16.520 --> 01:06:18.784
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, man, we check women out.
01:06:19.305 --> 01:06:23.431
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, have you like this whole system in place?
01:06:24.092 --> 01:06:26.395
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's where it becomes real creepy, right?
01:06:26.456 --> 01:06:28.358
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, like you follow it.
01:06:28.419 --> 01:06:29.741
[SPEAKER_03]: He was an obscure guy or something.
01:06:29.781 --> 01:06:30.802
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's over the line.
01:06:30.822 --> 01:06:31.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all that stuff.
01:06:31.964 --> 01:07:01.735
[SPEAKER_02]: all that stuff about angles and all this stuff and like I see your point okay he crosses this line to be like oh we are humans that are attracted to other humans and we're going to like check him out and it becomes like this very like you this systematic thing that you're doing that you're trying to pass on to someone else so again it comes off like this like early kind of like in cell misogynistic black pill or whatever culture yeah he's talking like he's a teenager
01:07:02.913 --> 01:07:19.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, oh forgot my note about Jesse Eisenberg this guy's been wearing the same outfit in every movie Years in books the jack same he looks the exact fucking same pretty much him up a hoodie T-shirt same same face 25 years
01:07:19.838 --> 01:07:20.879
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable, man.
01:07:21.620 --> 01:07:22.982
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
01:07:23.002 --> 01:07:26.546
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like Yannu Reeves.
01:07:26.566 --> 01:07:27.407
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great in the movie.
01:07:27.968 --> 01:07:29.049
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of things.
01:07:29.149 --> 01:07:36.798
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I thought I read that was really interesting is that Dylan Kidd, he intentionally kept a lot of the blocking away from Jesse Eisenberg.
01:07:36.998 --> 01:07:43.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he mapped out all the Campbell Scott's movements and the other actors, but he wouldn't tell Jesse what to do.
01:07:43.666 --> 01:07:47.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is helpful because he always seems like off balance.
01:07:47.635 --> 01:07:51.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't know where to go and he always seems super awkward He's just trying to get her.
01:07:51.743 --> 01:07:52.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Roger all the time.
01:07:53.307 --> 01:07:55.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little thing that that I think goes a long way
01:07:56.170 --> 01:08:09.852
[SPEAKER_02]: That's genius, but I'm sorry, but it connects to another point with Eisenberg because he went on to be a director and I wonder if that influence him because this is like his first movie to be the one person out of step and like not knowing what's going on.
01:08:09.872 --> 01:08:14.500
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that being like, okay, moving forward, I really want to know what's going on with the direction.
01:08:14.860 --> 01:08:15.802
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:08:16.563 --> 01:08:22.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick, I don't know, did the character just seem to like,
01:08:23.069 --> 01:08:25.055
[SPEAKER_01]: here for you with a comment.
01:08:25.076 --> 01:08:26.761
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially for coming in on New York.
01:08:27.283 --> 01:08:32.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he didn't make sense that a kid would want to get out of Ohio to go to New York City with the character traits that he had.
01:08:32.861 --> 01:08:34.446
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you there.
01:08:34.662 --> 01:08:35.603
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fine.
01:08:35.643 --> 01:08:41.331
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that he did where he had that whole bit which is it's a great little monologue.
01:08:41.752 --> 01:08:51.826
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just I just didn't buy it coming from a 16 year old kid where he's talking about like being with someone so long that you they stopped putting up their defenses and that you're even more attracted to them now.
01:08:52.046 --> 01:08:53.648
[SPEAKER_03]: All that stuff was a way to do.
01:08:54.369 --> 01:08:57.193
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was written by someone much older.
01:08:57.747 --> 01:08:58.048
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:08:58.469 --> 01:08:59.031
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great.
01:08:59.051 --> 01:08:59.552
[SPEAKER_03]: All Travis.
01:08:59.974 --> 01:09:00.395
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot.
01:09:00.415 --> 01:09:02.521
[SPEAKER_03]: I was not going to mention that you were so right about that.
01:09:02.542 --> 01:09:03.163
[SPEAKER_03]: That was right.
01:09:03.224 --> 01:09:03.825
[SPEAKER_03]: You've no way.
01:09:03.886 --> 01:09:04.528
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, in your old.
01:09:04.788 --> 01:09:06.393
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you were pretty worthy at that age.
01:09:06.413 --> 01:09:09.061
[SPEAKER_03]: And if anybody was going to do it, maybe you've been in you, but no way.
01:09:09.222 --> 01:09:10.305
[SPEAKER_03]: That just doesn't add up.
01:09:11.467 --> 01:09:12.689
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an old soul.
01:09:12.950 --> 01:09:23.789
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I guess he is but I don't think it's trade that up to what he's up to He's obviously an upset kid, but he says he's he's having family issues, but like He's a person to be trying to just go out and fuck like this.
01:09:24.410 --> 01:09:24.931
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
01:09:25.251 --> 01:09:28.216
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah He's 60 shy and he's scared.
01:09:28.617 --> 01:09:29.499
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's my hormones.
01:09:29.879 --> 01:09:32.023
[SPEAKER_03]: He's filled with anxiety
01:09:32.223 --> 01:09:37.459
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not like that interesting enough a place to go because he's all about connection from the onset.
01:09:37.579 --> 01:09:40.708
[SPEAKER_01]: His arc is a little limp for me, but he's good in it.
01:09:42.534 --> 01:09:45.743
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as we kind of wind things down here.
01:09:46.280 --> 01:09:51.667
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, it reminded me also of a movie, oh my god, I love this movie, shame with Michael Fassbender.
01:09:51.687 --> 01:09:52.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
01:09:52.368 --> 01:09:53.429
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta bring it on the show sometime.
01:09:53.869 --> 01:09:57.914
[SPEAKER_01]: But this, his character in that is, he's just like Roger Dodger.
01:09:57.995 --> 01:10:01.018
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like almost as sociopathic, sexual predators.
01:10:01.038 --> 01:10:03.822
[SPEAKER_01]: It just craves sex to fill up the emptiness in his life.
01:10:04.443 --> 01:10:06.465
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the point of that movie is like,
01:10:06.833 --> 01:10:10.478
[SPEAKER_01]: He this character in shame is he's never like swath.
01:10:10.498 --> 01:10:11.740
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a smooth talker.
01:10:11.780 --> 01:10:17.448
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just as a fucking addiction and like the point of that movie is like how empty it makes him feel.
01:10:17.508 --> 01:10:23.616
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you what you take away from that is feeling very kind of bad for someone who has an addiction.
01:10:24.277 --> 01:10:26.440
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Roger in a lot of ways is the same way.
01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:30.546
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that we come we came away in 2002.
01:10:31.218 --> 01:10:33.040
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to poster this guy on my wall.
01:10:33.160 --> 01:10:34.442
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a weird message.
01:10:35.823 --> 01:10:38.186
[SPEAKER_02]: For the record, I didn't want to poster him on my wall.
01:10:38.206 --> 01:10:39.968
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to poster of the movie on my wall.
01:10:40.789 --> 01:10:52.982
[SPEAKER_02]: And the message of the movie is pretty clearly stated by Elizabeth Berkley's character when she's departing.
01:10:53.082 --> 01:10:55.785
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, we need more men like you to him.
01:10:56.145 --> 01:10:58.508
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like, if you're not
01:10:58.876 --> 01:11:19.382
[SPEAKER_02]: paying attention with maybe we were not paying enough attention in our younger years, but then you might walk away thinking that Roger Dodgers a cool guy, but like it's pretty obvious as a growing man that this is a desperate sad kind of tragic dude that makes people whose lives worse and harder around him because he's just so fucking in turmoil that he's going to spread that shit around other people and
01:11:19.362 --> 01:11:28.162
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse Eisenberg's character, Nick, is actually a pretty good person that makes the right choices throughout the movie, despite being kind of misled.
01:11:28.202 --> 01:11:38.586
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that the point of the movie is to be more like Nick and not like the older generation that kind of is more interested in objectifying women.
01:11:39.730 --> 01:11:46.177
[SPEAKER_03]: I really had a beef with the way of this film is shot like I couldn't get away from it.
01:11:46.437 --> 01:11:54.506
[SPEAKER_03]: It really stood out to be a lot more than it ever did before with all these close-up shots and the shaky cams and some of it was cool.
01:11:54.867 --> 01:11:57.930
[SPEAKER_03]: But then other times I started to get annoyed by it and I noticed it too much.
01:11:57.990 --> 01:12:00.253
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I don't know if that was just because it was me or not.
01:12:00.313 --> 01:12:04.337
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just have to make clear that I really was frustrated by the
01:12:04.317 --> 01:12:09.742
[SPEAKER_03]: shots in this film in the design of the cinematography more than I ever had been before.
01:12:12.984 --> 01:12:15.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you wrap it up?
01:12:15.526 --> 01:12:15.627
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:15.647 --> 01:12:16.507
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought it to the table.
01:12:16.567 --> 01:12:17.188
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said a lot.
01:12:17.688 --> 01:12:22.693
[SPEAKER_01]: I've pretty much spent all my my notes on this.
01:12:22.973 --> 01:12:24.714
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.
01:12:24.754 --> 01:12:33.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think this is a film that you should see.
01:12:34.523 --> 01:12:39.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting thing, it's got this, you know, mammoth-esque language is very clear.
01:12:40.089 --> 01:12:41.650
[SPEAKER_01]: Neal, lobute, type language.
01:12:41.830 --> 01:12:43.252
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always going to be interesting to me.
01:12:43.272 --> 01:12:49.258
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, I, it's just seemed like mature character speaking in a film, which we don't see a lot.
01:12:49.478 --> 01:12:50.880
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just verbal combat.
01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:55.244
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some emotional violence that isn't celebrated enough in film.
01:12:57.426 --> 01:13:03.012
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it seemed fresh to me a long time ago in 2002,
01:13:03.667 --> 01:13:18.123
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to remember that like, people like Cassivetti's was doing this like 30 years before that with husbands and woman under the influence and this sort of a movie about like harm being done to to women to protect a male's self image.
01:13:18.183 --> 01:13:22.448
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this isn't like new stuff for 2002, but it was an eye opener.
01:13:22.989 --> 01:13:27.514
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it perked up our ears at an age where we kind
01:13:27.747 --> 01:13:32.624
[SPEAKER_01]: Mentors in our life to navigate through a lot of complicated things in society.
01:13:33.668 --> 01:13:34.531
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an important film.
01:13:35.293 --> 01:13:36.558
[SPEAKER_01]: It's important in the indie scene.
01:13:37.360 --> 01:13:39.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Made a splash.
01:13:39.678 --> 01:13:41.680
[SPEAKER_01]: but then it kind of disappeared.
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:49.889
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be really interested to see what people today is new generation would have to say about it because I think it's still an entertaining film.
01:13:50.770 --> 01:13:57.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got some weird stuff in it, but I don't think Dylan Kidd is pushing any agenda on this.
01:13:57.278 --> 01:13:59.901
[SPEAKER_01]: His narrative seems very neutral to me.
01:14:00.301 --> 01:14:01.663
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of why I still dig it, man.
01:14:01.683 --> 01:14:02.884
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this film holds up.
01:14:07.808 --> 01:14:08.489
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go in next.
01:14:08.509 --> 01:14:09.270
[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to jump in?
01:14:09.290 --> 01:14:10.651
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll go in.
01:14:13.915 --> 01:14:19.202
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie, as I said before, is just such a classic example of why the show exists.
01:14:19.983 --> 01:14:29.614
[SPEAKER_03]: And of our time frame of growth from the early 2000s to the mid-2020s, because not just because of
01:14:30.117 --> 01:14:39.958
[SPEAKER_03]: who we are, but because of growth and time, human development, you have 21, 22 years old nice all this movie, and how I'm 45.
01:14:40.833 --> 01:14:44.660
[SPEAKER_03]: But a lot of shit that happened in the middle of that that have altered my perspective.
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:46.884
[SPEAKER_03]: I see this movie so differently than I did.
01:14:47.425 --> 01:14:55.921
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought Roger was so slick with his the way he was so snappy and he had these judgments of these quips and he could size up a situation just like that.
01:14:56.342 --> 01:14:57.204
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool.
01:14:57.224 --> 01:14:57.404
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
01:14:57.444 --> 01:14:58.025
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
01:14:58.065 --> 01:14:59.468
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the dialogue back then.
01:14:59.889 --> 01:15:00.610
[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote down again.
01:15:00.630 --> 01:15:01.672
[SPEAKER_03]: I still love the dialogue.
01:15:01.692 --> 01:15:03.195
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the dialogue is excellent.
01:15:03.175 --> 01:15:03.556
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
01:15:04.237 --> 01:15:07.723
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think it was just there for the sake of being there.
01:15:07.783 --> 01:15:12.893
[SPEAKER_03]: There were things that were said from the characters perspective that made sense for their motivations.
01:15:13.474 --> 01:15:15.518
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just see the women so much differently now.
01:15:15.578 --> 01:15:19.345
[SPEAKER_03]: I think about Joyce and she's a powerful woman.
01:15:19.425 --> 01:15:23.633
[SPEAKER_03]: She's running her own ad shop and she's dipping her pen in the company ink.
01:15:24.013 --> 01:15:26.618
[SPEAKER_03]: And when she's done, she's done.
01:15:26.598 --> 01:15:27.840
[SPEAKER_03]: for its time period.
01:15:27.900 --> 01:15:34.131
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of it was definitely a different modeling of what you would typically I see in mainstream film I guess.
01:15:34.371 --> 01:15:35.874
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I'm doing this quote thing so much.
01:15:35.934 --> 01:15:36.735
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not Chris Farley.
01:15:36.775 --> 01:15:37.015
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
01:15:37.656 --> 01:15:38.358
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'm doing that.
01:15:38.398 --> 01:15:39.439
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm developing a tick today.
01:15:39.780 --> 01:15:43.366
[SPEAKER_03]: But Josh, he's kind of a dick like that.
01:15:43.406 --> 01:15:44.668
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a dick move.
01:15:44.788 --> 01:15:46.171
[SPEAKER_03]: His actions aren't acceptable at all.
01:15:46.211 --> 01:15:46.952
[SPEAKER_03]: Rodgers.
01:15:46.932 --> 01:16:14.121
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very mature and he is hurt obviously, but you know, she's just out of the next guy to so she's no St. Obviously, but I just see the women's having a lot more control now than I did when I was 22 And I'm talking about deals in Berkeley as well and the things they have to say and what they identify with the in Roger and the way he is and how he can't see it all But doesn't seem to give a fuck like the things that Roger does in the bar like talking to the old woman about yeah
01:16:14.354 --> 01:16:17.157
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's got to make a nervous, that hurts.
01:16:17.177 --> 01:16:22.343
[SPEAKER_03]: That's such a shitty thing to go out of your way to do, even if it still rings true possibly.
01:16:22.603 --> 01:16:23.404
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the point.
01:16:23.884 --> 01:16:25.346
[SPEAKER_03]: The point is, how do you make people feel it?
01:16:25.386 --> 01:16:26.147
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your presence?
01:16:26.167 --> 01:16:29.350
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your purpose on this earth to make them aware?
01:16:29.370 --> 01:16:33.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're not aware, so they can feel more shitty about themselves.
01:16:33.555 --> 01:16:36.038
[SPEAKER_03]: I see Rodgers so much differently now than I did while I was young.
01:16:36.758 --> 01:16:40.142
[SPEAKER_03]: And some of these scenes like with the women at the party,
01:16:40.122 --> 01:16:58.254
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, that was hard to watch, but it was important that was on film because that type of shit still goes on Parties still happening and people are still growing up and they're using alcohol for the first time and there are things that we need to bring into light more often And that is really important to have on Cellulose are really grateful for that.
01:16:58.274 --> 01:17:01.860
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of things are grateful about this movie, but as a watch
01:17:03.342 --> 01:17:07.648
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, it was entertaining, but I was really like, ugh, ugh, ugh, so much.
01:17:07.688 --> 01:17:09.270
[SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really was torn.
01:17:09.650 --> 01:17:12.194
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost feel like I got a flip-a-point of whether or not this would be a hold-up.
01:17:12.234 --> 01:17:17.701
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna say, this movie holds up because it just expresses itself as it is.
01:17:18.342 --> 01:17:19.163
[SPEAKER_03]: And no more no less.
01:17:22.908 --> 01:17:24.911
[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like we all have a lot to say about this movie.
01:17:25.592 --> 01:17:30.919
[SPEAKER_02]: Still, I like to comment about Dylan Kidd's direction one more time.
01:17:31.793 --> 01:17:36.336
[SPEAKER_02]: mostly this one shot at the end of the film where
01:17:36.755 --> 01:17:53.462
[SPEAKER_02]: it's pushing and slowly on the couch and you see Campbell Scott coming in out of the frame, you can see dust floating in the sunlight and then finally Campbell Scott comes and he sits down into frame and you know there's there's some shots like this in the film, there's just really, really good.
01:17:53.482 --> 01:18:02.357
[SPEAKER_02]: I did agree, I think that the cinematography here is really strong and I think that
01:18:02.658 --> 01:18:27.855
[SPEAKER_02]: a much more promising career than we got out of this guy i think the score is aggravating um oh my god no this is score attack no version of the score in the whole house was yeah cult to deal with that score was intense man not a good score that grinded my gears the whole fucking movie completely different experience watching this movie that now you know um
01:18:28.375 --> 01:18:29.276
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it hold up?
01:18:29.736 --> 01:18:35.261
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, that's just a different question than did I get something out of it differently?
01:18:35.842 --> 01:18:39.385
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I got a lot more, it does it hold up.
01:18:39.565 --> 01:18:40.265
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the question.
01:18:41.086 --> 01:18:47.432
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot more out of the film than I believe I got out of it as a younger man.
01:18:51.055 --> 01:18:52.756
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I enjoy the film more?
01:18:52.796 --> 01:18:54.358
[SPEAKER_02]: Was I entertained by it more?
01:18:54.398 --> 01:18:56.880
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:18:57.687 --> 01:19:00.831
[SPEAKER_02]: I like you, Mike, I really felt like I could flip a coin.
01:19:00.872 --> 01:19:02.314
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like really kind of struggling on this.
01:19:02.354 --> 01:19:06.820
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that you said it barely held up, I'm going to say it barely doesn't hold up.
01:19:07.521 --> 01:19:24.285
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of just to kind of like, to not give us a full pass all three, because I feel like it's, on one hand, I'm surprised and I do think like if it's been a long time since you've seen the movie, I think you should revisit it, because you're going to get something different out of it.
01:19:24.434 --> 01:19:29.720
[SPEAKER_02]: But is it as good as I remember it being, I don't really know.
01:19:30.380 --> 01:19:31.882
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to say it does not quite hold up.
01:19:35.146 --> 01:19:39.550
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I cannot believe, didn't mention the fucking score.
01:19:42.133 --> 01:19:46.118
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so memorable, but yeah, it's like so in your face.
01:19:47.719 --> 01:19:51.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Resilophone.
01:19:51.552 --> 01:19:54.036
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I feel like it's a mistake that we didn't mention earlier.
01:19:54.056 --> 01:19:56.200
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget myself for that one, but Alright, there it is.
01:19:57.221 --> 01:20:00.106
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you think, God, because I didn't even mention my final summation.
01:20:00.306 --> 01:20:02.530
[SPEAKER_03]: Shit, I would have had to live without the rest of my life.
01:20:02.550 --> 01:20:04.113
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like Rogers to live with his choices.
01:20:04.653 --> 01:20:06.436
[SPEAKER_03]: But, fascinating film.
01:20:06.516 --> 01:20:08.019
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you brought it to the table, Eric.
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.523
[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely was going to come on the show at some point, but
01:20:10.958 --> 01:20:11.679
[SPEAKER_03]: complicated.
01:20:11.740 --> 01:20:14.125
[SPEAKER_03]: I still feel like I don't know.
01:20:14.165 --> 01:20:18.273
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel kind of weird right now, but I would be happy with whatever vote I gave it.
01:20:18.494 --> 01:20:24.065
[SPEAKER_01]: If I said, you're just so we're just so afraid to be endorsing Rogers mantra here.
01:20:24.085 --> 01:20:26.169
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's really not that at all.
01:20:26.310 --> 01:20:27.231
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not for me.
01:20:27.332 --> 01:20:28.214
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll speak for myself.
01:20:28.254 --> 01:20:29.276
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not it at all.
01:20:29.396 --> 01:20:30.418
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just
01:20:30.398 --> 01:20:45.360
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't that entertaining for me this time where I'm like Travis was saying I was like I was really annoyed and I was like But I kind of come to the conclusion like I said that it put it it puts it out there for you to make your own judgment Son and I liked that about it.
01:20:45.740 --> 01:20:47.062
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you know that?
01:20:47.383 --> 01:20:47.924
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
01:20:48.184 --> 01:20:48.905
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:20:48.925 --> 01:20:50.247
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll ask her go in go in
01:20:51.188 --> 01:21:00.241
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that moment when they're talking about his first kiss and like all that kind of stuff Yeah, and then and then and like it's kind of like a nice moment.
01:21:00.301 --> 01:21:05.969
[SPEAKER_02]: Then Roger goes no tongue and like everyone just kind of turns and looks at him like what the fuck?
01:21:06.330 --> 01:21:08.353
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's kind of how I felt through most of the movie.
01:21:08.693 --> 01:21:09.935
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you're in memory.
01:21:11.237 --> 01:21:11.998
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree
01:21:12.788 --> 01:21:14.690
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm able to parse it and compartmentalize.
01:21:14.730 --> 01:21:22.238
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I guess, I just think for a human perspective, there's a lot of fun, but like interesting things about it.
01:21:22.819 --> 01:21:23.420
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't either.
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:24.461
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, are you here?
01:21:25.502 --> 01:21:25.602
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:21:25.622 --> 01:21:28.265
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you, uh, what'd you think of that Roger Dodger movie we watched?
01:21:28.445 --> 01:21:33.090
[SPEAKER_03]: The one we watched with the guy, like takes his nephew around town New York City that one night.
01:21:34.592 --> 01:21:34.652
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
01:21:34.672 --> 01:21:35.373
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like that movie?
01:21:35.393 --> 01:21:37.375
[SPEAKER_03]: He's there on a stupid member like he's boss.
01:21:37.395 --> 01:21:39.437
[SPEAKER_03]: He's having sex with her, and then she dumps him.
01:21:52.748 --> 01:21:54.610
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, it's tickable and fine.
01:21:54.730 --> 01:21:56.272
[SPEAKER_03]: No, connectable and fine.
01:21:57.373 --> 01:21:57.733
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:21:57.773 --> 01:21:58.714
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Lee.
01:21:58.734 --> 01:22:00.075
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
01:22:00.416 --> 01:22:01.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:22:01.317 --> 01:22:03.339
[SPEAKER_02]: A woman's just going to run through Dodger.
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:03.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:22:03.679 --> 01:22:05.581
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even find seven.
01:22:05.621 --> 01:22:07.022
[SPEAKER_03]: Not as mad as you'd think they'd be.
01:22:08.243 --> 01:22:11.927
[SPEAKER_03]: I know predictable formulaic.
01:22:12.087 --> 01:22:12.588
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:22:12.828 --> 01:22:15.431
[SPEAKER_03]: So for next week, it's my turn.
01:22:17.433 --> 01:22:20.035
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to do a film that I've never seen before.
01:22:20.476 --> 01:22:20.916
[SPEAKER_03]: So
01:22:22.145 --> 01:22:27.281
[SPEAKER_03]: What you want to watch it again, oh, yeah, I don't know if you will watch this one or not.
01:22:27.301 --> 01:22:29.428
[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't like scary stuff, but it won't be scary, but we don't worry.
01:22:30.912 --> 01:22:32.257
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to do this film.
01:22:32.297 --> 01:22:36.289
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had it was like this one or that one.
01:22:37.366 --> 01:22:38.968
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's I'm going to do a comedy.
01:22:39.168 --> 01:22:39.449
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:22:40.490 --> 01:22:43.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to do a movie that I have seen before.
01:22:43.074 --> 01:22:44.416
[SPEAKER_03]: I just changed my mind the very last second.
01:22:45.217 --> 01:22:48.121
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen this movie since 1996 when it came out.
01:22:48.141 --> 01:22:53.628
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe it was 96 and you know, given the fact that he's a legend.
01:22:54.069 --> 01:22:55.731
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a new documentary out recently.
01:22:56.292 --> 01:23:02.000
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a look at 1996, the nutty professor starring Eddie Murphy.
01:23:02.060 --> 01:23:03.102
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this movie funny?
01:23:03.182 --> 01:23:04.183
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it hold up?
01:23:05.210 --> 01:23:06.351
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you didn't say no!
01:23:06.431 --> 01:23:31.521
[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:23:32.480 --> 01:23:34.884
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually had a different movie of mine and I just did the curveball.
01:23:34.904 --> 01:23:35.625
[SPEAKER_03]: We got a little bit of it.
01:23:35.645 --> 01:23:36.045
[SPEAKER_03]: So there it is.
01:23:36.106 --> 01:23:39.050
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, so we're doing a naughty professor next week on the similar night bot.
01:23:39.751 --> 01:23:40.492
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let Travis know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let Eric know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love getting connections from you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The listeners of you are a sub.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For Travis and Eric, I'm Michael.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good night to you now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, was it something he said?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A snippet tree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What is this?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Roman Coke told him to mix it a week.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We got a long way to go here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK, I don't drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What are you kidding me?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Take a drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't put alcohol into my body, OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: You drink that drink.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Laws of inhibition is crucial to your success tonight, OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Alcohol has been a social lubricant for thousands of years.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think you're going to sit here tonight and reinvent the wheel, please?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, you did one very good thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You lied.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You made something up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Keep that part of your brain working, all right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: We get those girls over here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Your first instinct is going to be to open up.
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[SPEAKER_05]: OK?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It tells the truth.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Fight it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just keep it interesting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Play up your novelty.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're 16-year-old in a bar.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_05]: My father owns the bar.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got a month to live.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're an actor researching, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Improvise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Check the time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What time is it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's about 702.
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[SPEAKER_05]: A medic alert bracelet?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, it's instructions.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm having my body cryogenically frozen if I die prematurely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a world surrounded by groovy podcasts, three men will risk it all to try to stand out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the herd, it's a sin of a nine-pied guest, with your host, Eric Brantstrom, Michael Goviay, and Travis Roy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is the cinnamonine podcast and B.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's great to be here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Mike as Travis and it's Eric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know the crew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know the crew, pleasure to have you aboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're very first cinnamonine adventure, if it is welcome to the club's cinnamonine podcast, gmail.com, so you can connect with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today we're going to do Roger Dodger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last week I got really pissed off because I failed in the exam and I had a really bad day so the guys gave me a reprieve They wanted me to be a part of this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did watch it last week So we're gonna talk about Roger Dodgers shortly, which was Mr.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Egg branch of selection But first Travis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're on a few minutes earlier than usual Yeah, it's nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's earlier than usual for me, which is good
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although for once, I'm actually well rested because I got some, I got the sleep in because I hit the day off because my car broke down yesterday and I hit the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell, man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just hours on the side of the road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a 20 degree weather.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really good day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, then you spend hundreds of dollars that you were going to save for a new car, but instead you're going to spread it on the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wrong Christmas to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, perfect timing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, things happen, it could be worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it could be better, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be better, it could be worse, but like, overall, you know, I'm doing okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least you're fucking dog didn't die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like my dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of what I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, because the big words for me thought they had it all out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, it's spread under the radar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I actually didn't pick it up, and it was, I think, skipping day of all times, around me by my family, that she looked weird, and I had to take her in, and that was that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now we're all Thanksgiving for ever now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna think of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I'm thankful that my family was there so that I could go and say goodbye to her with an inch without worrying about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt protected and stuff, but I mean, what do you say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of life's great griefs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the hardest things to have to go through, is the loss of what he loved pet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It really is one of the hardest things to go through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's, I was talking about this Leanne the other day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I never.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to get to say goodbye to the dog.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The dogs have just disappeared from my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My whole life, it's really fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really makes me feel uncomfortable when I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause the last, my mom had a dog that was based of like my dog named Mack, and he was an airdale tearier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we had him for like 13 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, yes, I was like going through some things and I was kind of in and out of life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I admit that back in 2016, but one day, she just set him off to like some farm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never got to say goodbye to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: really a bummer so I'm grateful that you got that time with your dog yeah I mean I'm I'm really sorry I know I'm much you love Mickey and I am it is it's hard to lose him it is
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[SPEAKER_02]: when you have at least a little bit of preparation to emotionally prepare yourself for that possibility for that I mean you know that going in right it's always part of the deal that you're more likely than I can outlive your dog doesn't make it any easier that sure knowledge but uh uh yeah yeah I don't know I'm trying to find the silver line or like grim comfort I guess but it's just sucks I'm sorry man thank you there's a couple of quotes I've been kind of carrying around with me one is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grief is love with nowhere to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's so true because you say I have that love in your heart and it's just feels like there's nowhere to put it And this one is so sweet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It says that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come into our lives to teach us about love and they leave to teach us about laws, but the love is still yours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that so sweet?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we all live and die, so you're right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like to be taught about love and then the death lesson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually really like that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what we want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One episode where I'm not going to be laughing at death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually I'm all mad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think Van Dyke jokes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I fucking did Van Dyke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got lives my dog, the piece of shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, unreal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That fucker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dick Cheney didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he already did what he did though, so it doesn't matter that he's dead now On the positive side of things and everybody want to wish Eric.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, send him an email Simon and I potted G-bell.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'd love to hear about your dogs your pet memories We'd love to really celebrate this stuff and learn and we're not opposed to that kind of stuff So send us an email if you'd like just like Joe did we've got another additional
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't guess that character actor, bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop-bop
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great, by the way, at first timers, we get three clues and you're all welcome to guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Clue won his grandfather and father both served in the House of Representatives from the state of Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in 2002, he inherited the family newspaper business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His grandfather started all the way back in 1920.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any guesses off that first clue?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's ringing bells, but no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, grandfather father both served in the U.S. House arrest for Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lineage there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number two Not only a long time character actor he is also a prolific voice-over actor most notably as This is gonna give it away for probably both you because I don't know this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No notably as Mr. Krabs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh god damn it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know his name from Highlander Yeah, they do you know this guy classy brown land bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Brown Nancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be it We got Clancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I finally got one of these.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I won't let the answer is it Clancy Brown Got to be it absolutely is
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yes, he's Mr. Clams on Fun Fab and also Lex Luther on DC comic things videos movies with a gun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He voices a lot of a few of characters on it, invincible as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wasn't he in the, did he have a small part or something in the new Superman, too, or am I, is that another movie he was in, there must have been a movie the last year, Clancy Brown was either in or a voiceover that, I can't remember this right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been active, and of course, yeah, of course, clues through clue three is yeah, and you do frame.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Hadley, do you trust your wife?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Captain Hadley.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to look funny or suck at my dick with no teeth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for the dialogue, Joe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would have gave it away for sure if I didn't know the first one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... yeah that was uh... the sponge bob where they re-enact uh... no so there it is thank you joe sit on iphone jimo dot com and if that were not enough today we have an extra special bonus for this episode it's holiday season recording of this ever second twenty twenty five and we've been trying to get to this for a while we're going to do our top five actors currently as we all time all time currently our top five list for all three of us are favorite actors that means women men anybody okay so we're not just doing actor actors right
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well your tentative Travis, well let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll take it from five to one We'll go each person from the five that we'll do four that we'll do three that we'll do two You guys know my one and two that's not gonna be the most you know there's no mystery there So really should go with the other direction here, but I got I got five white man I'm gonna talk to talk to you guys about I guess Okay, we got that off the books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess get that off my chest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number my number five is
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[SPEAKER_02]: the one I kind of felt most uncomfortable about because there's a few prominent movies of this actor that still haven't seen and so I feel a little low to be like this is one of my favorite actors of all time except for that fact that he's been in two of the best movies in Hollywood history oh my gosh just twelve angry men and the graves of wrath i'm talking about Henry Fonda
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[SPEAKER_02]: His personality, I've heard some things, but as far as it works that the man has done, just truly a tremendous actor able to really take those two roles alone and those other stuff that he's done as well that I like but you take those two roles alone
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just, the pendulum between like the, not like he placed an evil guy in a good guy necessarily, but just two completely different characters and two different sides of the tracks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But still depicting such an important part of life and he was so good at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the wrong man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get around to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On the list, number five, this was fucking tough, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I scoured through like a top thousand actors list on IMDB because I could not wrap my brain around this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go with 1000 actors and I finally came down to the, mostly came down to, if they pop up on screen, regardless of what the movie is, at my enthrall, at my hypnotized, can I turn the channel?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so many awesome actors that are like, oh, man, come on, let's sit in through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm kicking on to it, the gentleman on my, my number five, he surprised me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single time he's on the screen, I sit there and watch the entire movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love every single one of them sitting there thinking I'm like, every time he's in a movie, he's good in his entertaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Clint Eastwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my number five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is a legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, talk about a body of work, my number five.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So hard at how how many times do we need to reiterate how difficult this was it was so hard man But I love this guy and every time I see him on screen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He entertains me We talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Eric was with me Travis not so much But I'm going number five is for me as Wesley Snipes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how much I love this guy when he's on screen He's just yes, he can do action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen the blade shit Pastor 50 seven, you know these are stupid movies, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: they're entertaining to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when he gets funny, like, demolition men's the gold standard of his hilarity mixed with action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just think, good guy, I think if you do it all, I think there's a better drama,matic role still left for him, like meet on the bone for him somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just hasn't happened yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that does have some day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right that I don't share the same level of appreciation, but I do think that you make it a good point with your pick and that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not, you know, I mean, I didn't, I'm not picking Daniel Day Lewis for instance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I acknowledge he's probably one of the best living actors, but we're not picking like, necessarily the best actors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're picking like our best actors, like our favorite actors, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my number four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picked a guy that I remember at one point I announced I'm gonna watch every movie that this man has done and I finally got a couple of years ago to be well to get some of them but this guy this guy is known better for his comedic work but I love it when he had these rare dramatic moments or of mania which he did so well I'm talking about the great
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gene Wilder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were going to say just in long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can you imagine if we would have got like some like an old gene wilder really like, like, sheldon Levine and Glenn Gary or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He should have done more dramatic work, but he always had fun with the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the both of us, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number four is wasn't hard at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is one of the great legends of all time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, one of the most respected actors of all time, but just again, just so hypnotizing, mesmerizing, but will there, you can't take your eyes off the screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you with those beautiful blue eyes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The great Paul Newman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to say Paul Newman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What else can be said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric, you get one of the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting the 20th century American classics down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What can I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing that can be said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, that just reminds me that the greatest actors ever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely up there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the greatest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're watching probably the best performance ever given by an actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not on my number four for my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry nothing personal though rest in peace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also his fundraising new men's own That's pretty cool too, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah sure still out there the shelves by the way Let's tell me bought something of new men's Anybody at that long got that long ago months He's got a nice gross and pizza Few ingredients not very expensive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you feel good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to the chair We're not earning the charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even mean yeah Works for me
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to make this list anything but my own and I'm doing this because I just love when she's on screen and no it's not Reese with her spoon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the shocker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love anything she's in and she could do both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's hilarious and she crushes drama I put in Kristen wig is my number four for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love her any time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see her She's hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She crushes her life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's an all-time top five legend for the whole He's series 50 years of that show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a top five or my opinion and whenever I see her in a movie Whether it's a dumb comedy like
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[SPEAKER_03]: Extract or more series movie like the Martian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I I mean she doesn't always get the main part but for me I just love what I see her and I look at the movies I like her in and Anytime she's on screen on my fan so I'll put in Chris and we'd number four for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that's Blast of me, but this is violence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me do my theme in Left field, all right house
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[SPEAKER_03]: I caught it out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea whatsoever that you were that big a fan or a fan at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be in your top five after I said something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Living and dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said this is a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On this date today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're talking about Clint Eastwood and Kristen Wig.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how many in a high regard, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's hard to pull off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not judging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just it's a shocker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You knew it would be a you knew it'd be an upset when you said when you chose it I Get know how much would be but that's interesting and okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right fun stuff
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, again, you made another good point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I thought about like, try to throw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I got all five white men here, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's my own shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm true to myself, these are my five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these are my five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my number three is another American classic that actor that I still haven't seen everything that they've done, but he's in my all-time favorite movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to go with the original every man, Jimmy Stewart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There it is, is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love watching him do anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything he's ever done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I so could up with the spoon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not an expression, but you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, there's a lot of this stuff I haven't seen, but you know, Winchester 73 Vertigo, there's 73, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got the number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many other great movies that he's done, but it's a wonderful life is the greatest movie of all time, and I love him in it, and I just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel him in my bones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Manor shot Liberty Valence on the greatest film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another ball of time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is shocking to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it would be shocking for most people who know cinema history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But wow, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't know it was a fan of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Intense drama, light comet Philadelphia story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, he's got some heavy picks, Kristen Wake, James Stewart, Paul Killing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Daniel Day Lewis for me, and most of you have been listening, I love just a craft of acting so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I love most about movies is performance and the way a performance just seems like magic, like a magician doing something that is not possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you become a completely different character that's not you, it's magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I watched so many of this fucking guys' roles, it's just, it's electrifying, it's just, it's, it's, it's, what do you say here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The great day of the day Lewis, it's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean enough said here, unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I sitting around watching like the unbearable lightness of being, who, that's nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like when push comes to show here, it's magnetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all encompassing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's everything to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with like my left foot is like your 10th best movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Michael, come on now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't heard one name and I better hear it pretty soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, better not have forgot it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been saying this recently and it wasn't just hype.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Dave Strather.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a topographer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love his work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Would character or get in the main role I still got to see the thing I wrote down that you watched recently and I haven't been able to find yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will watch that a little prayer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for the reminder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's also in the new season of a man inside which I enjoyed this week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll have to look into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But really, after seeing the Lawrence Clayborn man, it just kind of resumended it and kind of re-establish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this guy's got to be on my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He just does, it was a, for a movie that's 30 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was at a awakening, a reminder, a strong embrace of the dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember me and I never saw him like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, to me,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, to be a Pierce patch at then be that doofus and then just be kind of a humble guy who works, you know, in sopranos, the character he plays there who's still a horny, but, you know, a humble guy to a certain extent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's all over the map and I just, whatever he's in a movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He played a picture and ate man out, like he was on the black soxie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's consent into anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is almost unrivalent in his ability to blend into any type of
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[SPEAKER_02]: scenery period would have you all of them you all right Lincoln sneakers you're looking good so we're right yeah well you'm so perfect casting or all all right so uh my next two you guys already know so I'll just do it my my my my my special mention you know just honorable mention you're
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think these guys are free of the best living actors and I think that their names all you're a bit you're raising your eyebrows there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love the foes, not on your top two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he is not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's uh, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, number two, I'm gonna, I, I have to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really struggled between one and two you know I only I have framed pictures of both of these men in my house yeah um but uh I got to say that Phillip Seymour Hoffman is my number two actor oh my god mostly because he uh is gone and was cut short so I didn't get to see him get into an experimental phase necessarily or get really really weird but the body of work that he did
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[SPEAKER_02]: is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never forget Mike, you calling me and telling me that he had passed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, and that was like, that was still probably the hardest hitting celebrity neck for me, just because I was a fan, like, from a set of a woman from nobody's fool, like talented Mr. Ripley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember getting really into him around then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a really big fan as a, like, so as a teenager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is someone who's career, I followed and watched his, uh, you know, I'm next stop Wonderland and shit, like then I was watching, you
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[SPEAKER_02]: Watching him grow and blossom as a performer and then having him taken from us was really rough, but still like talking about a guy that the depth of feeling that he could bring to it, any role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You look at him in a money ball, for instance, like this is like
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[SPEAKER_02]: The work that he does and something like that, it's just so lived it and believable or you get really deep in there with love lies or something You know something really up close Just the world can't probably just plays a dipshack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know from love lies that the long came poly Yes, and extraordinarily talented and tell to dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Absolutely the rules we could have seen
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[SPEAKER_02]: And direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he only directed one film, but he had another in the in the works and I think he had a lot of hope there too He didn't imagine seeing him in true West with John C. Riley on stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Swap rolls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ Yeah, my number two No surprise you guys you're Winona writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I love Winona writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she like the she like Beryl Streep?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think her skills are have been devalued for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she is a bit actress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch, you know, you watch the age of innocence and you watch Dracula.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She can act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just she just became like this commodity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This product in the 90s that I loved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I can't take my eyes up to screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't turn the channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just so transfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this woman so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough spot for me for number one and two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like if I, I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just love, I'm in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with being just falling in love with someone on screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like being in front of a glowing picture in love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and only a movie can do that in a certain special kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love and honor writer, I always will, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She gets better with a, she's still its gorgeous as she was, which she was 18 years old to me right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's such a iconic woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're doing optimal mentions at number two, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever you want, and every one to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great spot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You always do it before the number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's you nailed the placement of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My number two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is so hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know I I flip flopped on it, but my number two is crewed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Billy There you go, all right, all right, I was so very good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go, there you go,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bill Peterson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Bill Peterson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really do, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah that was painful that was probably the hardest one that i eighty six and uh... well crystal wig you know i mean yeah i mean there i don't know i love it she does and ego and christian man i'd love to see them in a movie together that'd be great casting we make that happen hollywood somehow
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, uh, Denzel Washington.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean the guy is iconic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some honorable match-up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The top dogs here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Travis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to have any delay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know the answer here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is my favorite actor, gentleman?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nicholas K. Nicholas K. Nicholas K.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that have to say to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because even when he does dog shit, which he does, he does dog shit movies where he does dog shit performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's still God damn fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he has a turn, but he can do two movies back to back that will be incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then disappointing and bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like he's just
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[SPEAKER_02]: if you really doubt me I would recommend watching bad lieutenant to port of call New Orleans I think that this is the finest example of him on film because it's so bizarre and so unique and over the top and yet at the same time it really demonstrates like that he could be so out to lunch and
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[SPEAKER_02]: dead on point at the same fucking time like no one can and he takes huge risks he's one of the most experimental fun exciting actors that have ever lived I love Nicolas Cage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really felt bad displacing Phil of Seymour Hawking's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always said he was my favorite, but as time has gone on, Nicolas Cage was taking the number one place in my heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You feel what you feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel what I feel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm taking a look at some of my honorable mentions here, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the great Denzo Washington here at the top of the, I don't know, mentions list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the fantastic, um, Mr. Tom Cruise, I cannot go wrong there any time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a great, uh, fucking love Tom Cruise and, uh, George C. Scott, uh, almost snuck in there, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, it's, you know, just in terms of just pure acting ability and again, that magic, just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the emotion you're going to vote the such an evocative actor provoked so much emotion out of you and anything he does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton, almost nuck in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking love Michael Keaton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, this is number one top spot for me is, uh, Jack Nicholson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, we've split hairs here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the man that can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Batman is good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the shining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the cookers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, these are four completely distinct personalities, characters, roles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I never think of one while watching the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That says so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's charismatic as fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an incredibly intelligent, capable, classically trained actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just so fucking entertaining as no joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he will always be number one for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: legend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's kind of strange.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It almost seems like it's too much of a cliché to say it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he he's just been around for so long and has such a like we all know the story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a do because first story about him popping that rip that stripper's fake breast for that earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, there's things like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've heard that story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a lot of stories, but I don't think it's just the fact that for a big chunk of my life, he was always my number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He really was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's not in my time five.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then makes me feel like maybe I'm over correcting or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So good call.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He belongs on in this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Decades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Different decades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God, I couldn't believe how hard it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you guys could believe that you guys could relate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're out there trying to put your whole list together, love to hear, send them an iPod at gbll.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'd love to get some different opinions on our list, or your own top five, actors, actresses, anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But for me, I guess I'm a little surprised because
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, but you see the del Toro would be on my list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't make the cut.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to say that on this date, mine everyone is Michael Douglas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you look, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little surprised myself, uh, I don't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, I'm reviewing things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really took some time about this list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I watched a Wonder Boys again recently, which I would say you two love more than I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it, but I hit me a lot harder and I started to think about people at Gordon Gekko and then he played the,
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[SPEAKER_03]: what's his name great great great great great great great great thank you greaty and Gordon Gekko these are two distinctly different events and he crushed both those roles and those just two examples of a story career so I'll go Michael Douglas I'm wrong I go Dr. Stu behind the candle opera oh my god dude oh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of boys alone is it's seriously one of the best movies of all time Oh, I'm on board.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do it excellent really enjoy this exercise I glad we did it So to have a lot of people that Kyle let us know what you guys think give us your own thoughts We'd love to hear his feedback on this All right, so it's not got a quick quarantine view.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He picks you again in this
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh, it's only been three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like they're watching anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're giving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was on Thanksgiving break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched a lot of fucking shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will try and condense this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were going to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there for, you know, let me back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I rewatched wicked the first one because I was kind of underwhelmed for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, by it when it came out, but I wanted to watch the new one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I liked wicked, better the second time I watched it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I loved wicked for good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it in theaters the opening night and it was the last Jedi I'll over again where I walked out being like, that was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's going to love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I started looking at the reviews and I'm like, what the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we all watch the same movie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what the hell?
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... but i i i really like we can forget i thought it was a wonderful emotional uh... climax to a lot of setting up uh... that was in the first one that was fine but uh... i thought this would really like since it's like closed the story up well so uh... what can i say
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then I've gotten a Christmas movie mode real quick, especially when speaking of my favorite movie of all time, it's a wonderful life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it in theaters for the first time with their friends Steven Corey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jim Jr. will do like this monthly rewind or like, yeah, like every few weekly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a few weeks, so we got a rewind thing, well, I have something in theaters that's really old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to see that in theaters, and it was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he walks out of his mother's house, the boarding house at the end, he looks towards the end, he looks at the cameras all shaking, and oh man, it was such an experience to see it on the big screen like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fucking awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We really skewed the A's level down on the three of us, because we were the youngest people in there by far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more fun and empty right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we clap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we clap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and and then it's been like just a barrage of Christmas movies Christmas story followed by your favorite follow up a Christmas story Christmas from 2020 to which I like to even better the second time Eric I know you really hated it but after watching them them both kind of not back to back but within a few days of each other like I really feel like it's one of the best long like sequels look when there's a long gap between them because I think it pays homage to the original without
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, leaning completely too heavily on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it strikes a balance pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's actually a pretty good movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, then I watched, yeah, Bishop's wife, bad Santa, love, actually, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The family's stone, I don't know why I keep on, like trying to rewatch it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I watch it, this is like the fifth or sixth time I've watched it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every time I was like, oh, I fucking hate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why I keep on hating it more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I watched it this time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I cry once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like somebody's changing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like shit, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, God, I am someone who really likes Jennifer Sarah Jessica Parker, and a lot of people don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do, and she's her character so annoying in this movie, so it's really annoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Revisited vertigo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't seen that a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: watching Jimmy Stewart follow someone he's following there uh uh uh no with Kim Novak there's a lot of scenes of that but it's a beautifully shot and uh lastly I'll just uh wrap this up a stranger thing season five episodes one through four has come out
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[SPEAKER_02]: Season 4 was one where I was like, I don't know if I'm going to watch this, and then I got on board and fucking loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it may be the best season of the series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was really excited about Season 5.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And these first four episodes were just fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were just fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember I really was into the first season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, every season's nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Followed up since then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me it's worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I hated the fourth season,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I you hated the forces like hey, I thought I was so great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just check out them Okay Anything else Travis More criticism he's getting it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't name them all Listen man for previous doc Hollywood and one fine day again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch shit man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a tumultuous heartbreaking a week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came in think straight But I did go to the theater the first time and The theater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna theater Okay, listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the bring my kids to see this is it to be a two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love like the first half hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we had to leave because my kids were fucking going nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to we had to we had to get out even though the whole theater was like crying kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't take it as someone there We had to go but I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where was your choice or the kids were just like we got to get out of here We it was like collectively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We we got to go as is too much Maybe not give them a of the large sprite in their two years old
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[SPEAKER_01]: But listen, I'm a way out the door in my neighborhood and my tail between my legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I happen to glance at a poster that was hanging on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we fucking blind here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a new movie coming out from James L. Brooks, starring Albert Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know Albert Brooks was in it, but I knew he was coming out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a woman's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot the character's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a woman's name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I bet it's going to be an Oscar candidate looking forward to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what James L. Brooks is back in Albert Brooks's and tell where the fuck is Mike on this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is huge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's coming out like in weeks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we didn't like how do you know, but I'm still in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great news for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like how do you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh good shit see I got loss of the fog that you both hated it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That makes me feel better actually good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also going to make that christian wick beat out Albert Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get an honorable mention.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy you bring his name up more than you bring up your own father's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's an excellent actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love how we're broke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God damn it's he now is like we didn't read the list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't take me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No one, uh, no one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jeanette.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was our first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's our first draft for over a second draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's come back in a couple of months and see how we've changed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like Travis changed when he watched Family Stone for the six time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
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[UNKNOWN]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I watch a bunch of trash.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've fired up only the brave again after I came back in Arizona because it's about the firefighters I recommend this will be a good Josh Brawl in Miles Teller.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an excellent film a fucking Jeff Bridges It's a good cast and it's a true story about real-life firefighters checking out only the brave came out 2017.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe Then
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched Roger Dodger, I watched, uh, okay, I can mention these, I watched contact again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit movie man incredible we did that in the show also sure did love content got i hope i said it held i can't remember well it didn't hold it got it all pided uh that was really enjoyable uh fired up stay tuned i watched a tuned like every six months and that was my annual stay tuned viewing there it up i watched the king of stat now again i feel like we talked about that maybe somewhat recently so i fired it up again and i really enjoyed it i like that movie
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... hope for the holidays that you know steaks giving there you go i'm i'm getting more into it now i'd like it more i start to watch it every holiday season now so it's becoming a part of my rotation likes you Travis and we did the show before the foster and her directorial efforts
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they're that beautiful coat that holly hunder wears in that movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So beautiful woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not my fabulous coat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I watched a movie I never seen before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it is called Matchstick Men Nick was Cage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Never saw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Never saw it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm another great one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really Scott deserves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This should be a notch in his belt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hear much talk about this film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I finally watched it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some reason I have never motivated to see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was a solid rock solid film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent check it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He never saw me as a woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's the deal?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was in Loman And I watched search a destroy again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched that movie is like every month I don't want we did the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just love them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a shoe sign bowl No, no, no school And I watched this is 40 Like what movie That's right a lot of repeats some comfort films enjoy those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into it Erka proves
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[SPEAKER_03]: been a fun show so far now we're going to get to our main course does it hold up an odds that we do ever week we pick a movie we dive into it break down and give you our bottom line answers at the end about whether holds up or not so let's kick it off Eric you picked this bad boy Roger Dodger starting cable Scott in the debut of Jesse Eisenberg in 2002 this movie was everywhere all over it was in every single one of our VHS players for like a year played on repeat over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, for some reason why I and it's one of these like why do we watch this over and over again, it's like the cruelest movie, but yeah, we watched it over and over again, a lot of one lineers, a lot of jokes and I put it to bed like a couple years after I'll all of this Roger Dodger melee, but a long time I saw a million times back in the day, but again, just I put it to bed thinking that that you know that was that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been about 25 years, so that's all I have to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one I did not catch in theaters, but 2002 was after film school, but I was working in Blockbuster again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was definitely like a something that came across my field of vision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch anything with Campbell Scott since singles I've been a fan of Campbell Scott.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So him and a leading role especially still like today if he did a leading role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because at this point he does a movie like every two years and he's like a supporting character like okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he really needs to act.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not driven to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I was on board and I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I bought the DVD and watched the fuck out of it and had the poster up in my apartment and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was a big fan of this movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then didn't think about it again until we started doing this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we started doing this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been on my list for a long time to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been, you know, I knew it would be a good one for this, for this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was one that we watched the fuck out of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's been like 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely on my list to I'd love to this movie when I was exposed to it in 2002 Just it's immediately hit me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any familiarity with Campbell Scott at that time So this was really my introduction and I had to actually see singles at that point You know, I had so I was like, oh, who's this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is George C. Scott's son.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this And I liked Jesse Eisenberg
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of guy, first time I saw him, like, oh, who is this guy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember thinking that, and he obviously has a career now too, but yeah, we quoted the shit out of this movie, a lot of lines were quoted back at 4th of one another, 22-year-old hornball, so I can't deny who, I mean, there's a 22-year-old young man living freely without a girlfriend and just, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: going bozo fast so this movie was like oh yeah this is what i'm gonna you know maybe i thought it'd be like that i never like New York but anyways we'll get more into that loved this movie haven't watched as much i think i checked in every couple years but maybe it'd been longer because i'll explain more on that um what's the rating on this bad boy i need to be rating we always like to guess Roger Dodger 2002
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm going to say six, four, six, four, six, eight, you know, I almost said six, eight, oh, I feel like I, I feel like it's always my guess though, I'm trying to break six, eight, yeah, yeah, I'm not in a good for you, low amount to only 18,000 people have rated this film, that's a low number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very low film, you know, it still is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what's the director's name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody off the top of the head?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you name it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Kidd, because I looked it up recently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love his work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was going to be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: nothing nothing uh... he did a follow up with uh... that was shit right then he did a few movies i'd ever saw him yes not a lot didn't seem like you win his way i mean uh... he i did direct some episodes of that stupid show children's hospital which was hilariously done if you're into that
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like on a adult swim or whatever in 2011, he also did the movie PS in 2004.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw PS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think not PS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a different film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But whole tomatoes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got 88.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Critics love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In a 76 much more approved on their side from the audience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: critical analysis, some of the greats of their time, Roger Ebert were still around for this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a, Mike Clark, USA today as vanilla as it gets in my opinion when I think of like a reviewer, Mike Clark of USA today says, Scott's low key portrayal makes Roger interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a low key portrayal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Descent Thompson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A sophisticated but intriguingly toxic comedy of manners, come at your manners, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Intrigually toxic is, you know, a dude, a manor, a manor, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tucks it, come at your manners.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira, Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira McDonald at the Seattle Times, she said, a skillfully made but ultimately annoying drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, she's flat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Damn Moira.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Moira.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know woman didn't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about a Roger Ebert, the man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film is not just a lot of one liners, but has a buried agenda as the funny early dialogue slides down into confusion and sadness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He likes it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a little bit of a bait in the switch here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you kind of think it's going to be a bit more of a romp than it is and it gets increasingly serious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it definitely does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get one more split here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael, I can say to the village voice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: back in 2002, he said, Roger Dodger avoids asking the thorny questions as in, why is this insidious creep worth an entire movie?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched this with Leanne.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And God, I can never know, I guess I could watch it without her, but boy, I was really on edge and like cringing a lot Literally with my face for some scenes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was and I never done that with this movie before my life I don't remember doing that honestly It hit me a lot different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so it's funny watching it now when when we watch it when we were younger We were much much closer to Jesse Eisenberg's age
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's partly why we connected to the film is because we felt a similarity to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, he was, he was, we were 22.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was 16, but like we were, we were young 22 year olds for one, and, um, you know, he was percocious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, he kind of maybe reminded us of ourselves in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I wanted to be Roger, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I never like looked at this movie and thought that guy is cool Like I never thought like he was like a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I thought I didn't think he was a good guy But I love his slick ass dog Like this guy's cool is shit to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely thought he was cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could not deny that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I should back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought he was pretty slick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I didn't want to emulate him And I didn't like the way he talked about or like was with women, but I it hit me way harder this time Watch it now as a grow man, just especially that scene where he's like where his nephew's like hey Can you show me like how to meet girls and he starts telling him teaching him how to like how to how to
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lurt the outdoor one when on the street in the neverending scene by the way, which is I think it's on ended It's very long Yes, that one was the one where I cringe the most Travis say it's a really rough scene And it's like oh god, this guy's it's kind of terrible in it He's like like a up-raded him for like, you know, you know, you know, blow my cover here like some goddamn construction worker
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's so mad at him for like not doing it right and it's like, oh, this guy's the worst And I'm like, yeah, he thinks he's like talking to a man his age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking to a 16-year-old Shitty uncle of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shitty uncle of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a 16-year-old version is my fun name for it Oh, I got a close-up the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How many close-up shots are in this film?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's close-ups, but, I mean, that's, I don't remember, I didn't remember the Dylan kids like directing in this so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything of very talky film, but the way that's directing in this kind of, um, um, unflattering camera work with these long lenses that are kind of capturing everything and being very objective to the proceedings, that stood out to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we were saying, one of the reviewers was commenting how and how it kind of changes flips the script on you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they set up this character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you'd set up like some like, I don't know, like you grant character and like a romantic comedy to start just for like some woman to come in and like change just fucking ways, but that doesn't happen to Roger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He stays consistent throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a prick throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're left a question whether or not it could change at the end, but this is what makes out interesting to me through a through an absolutely threw out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to get to the end early, I mean, he puts his nephew in this terrible situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He does have a moment of clarity and pull him out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is good and they have a kind of awkward and shitty goodbye Which he makes up for because he goes across country to Ohio and basically just to visit him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think to make up for it a little bit and It's like the only difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he goes and he goes to meet his friends and be like, let me give you some actually okay advice Like let me let me back up on it because
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[SPEAKER_02]: my big takeaway and I'm not saying you're like totally wrong, but I think I do think there is some salvageable stuff here at the end because I think that a lot of what we're seeing here is this guy is not a great guy, but we're also seeing him spinning out and that is fucking worst because he is
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[SPEAKER_02]: not handling rejection well at all and we see the way that when Joyce breaks up with him and says like be a grownup about this he's not he goes around town and like we see him like with a young marina back her in for instance we see him in like that and that older woman that's in a fiance that she's waiting for just just smearing his rejection on everyone and like I don't know that he's like this all the time
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's probably more successful and more smooth and nicer a little bit, you know, but he's like, he's just like out to hurt people in this mode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that he kind of, I think we're seeing him at his worst.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that he has some redeeming value at the end, but that's a lot longer than I meant to talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think well all of that stuff after
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Leaves is studio mandated change this ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, and it's all like we got to make this character redemptive or else we have a low green light picture, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, that ending takes away everything from you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ended just on that shot of him, after he takes that cigarette on that smoke, going around Roger, while he's sitting in his apartment, confused about his next step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a perfect ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they had to fill this way back in the day as well as just a new update not always it's like the perfect one he's character piece just ended that you got to go like try to read to you can't you don't redeem him you let us sit with this character so we can make our own opinions on it and off
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really give a shit if he changes or not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I see a guy who's hurt, obviously, from the new perspective now, I'm older, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This movie is like textbook.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I see it so differently than I did 23 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy, there's mentions of a prick father, the grandfather, and there's all these illusions to family life that we don't get any, they don't throw to the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyhow, good for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we want to, it's almost like it's a play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's in New York.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very simple set piece here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of extra scenery that needs to be put in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got characters talking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got Jesse Spano and Jennifer Beals coming in here and they're talking for a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Bella Rosalie is, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome of this movie, but I do see the women differently than I did see them a long time ago that I actually say that maybe women have more power in this movie than I ever would have thought when I saw this a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that was one of my big takeaways too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, this movie is like gasping for breath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The script is like gasping for breath.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh my god, this is getting unbearable until Jennifer Beal shows up and starts bringing like a woman's perspective.
55:33.820 --> 55:37.304
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, how do you think it feels to be admired all the time?
55:37.684 --> 55:40.887
[SPEAKER_02]: Or like what it feels like to internalize the male gaze.
55:41.247 --> 55:44.130
[SPEAKER_02]: And she starts like actually challenging him and like bringing up these points.
55:44.150 --> 55:47.173
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like a good 30, 35 minutes into the movie or so.
55:47.153 --> 55:50.818
[SPEAKER_02]: But when that starts happening, it's like, this is what the movie needed so badly.
55:50.858 --> 55:57.428
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like this forced clashing of genders and like ideological viewpoints.
55:57.508 --> 56:04.118
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, here's, okay, so you've got this really, here's your viewpoint, like, have you considered this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the movie, it's very improved by both their presences.
56:11.649 --> 56:16.536
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, again, Isabella Rosalina, the way that she's trying to break up
56:16.516 --> 56:33.630
[SPEAKER_02]: like like a civilized like we've had our fun let's let's just go our separate ways like they're all just so much more together than him of course yes yeah the thing that the women do in this movie that I love the most is they
56:34.015 --> 56:46.540
[SPEAKER_01]: They remind Roger that he's nothing but a guy playing a numbers game against vulnerable people and in this case women it's all it is it's a numbers game he's going to eventually hit.
56:46.840 --> 57:11.903
[SPEAKER_01]: and every time he doesn't hit like when he goes to the bar with the older lady in the husband that he assumes is going to likely for whatever and he gets quiet like these little things that Campbell Scott does like he gets quiet and he looks awkward because his his weaponizing of his sexual power isn't isn't working and that happens with Jennifer Beals and Elizabeth Berkeley too and and all of that stuff makes the deep character work
57:12.237 --> 57:16.052
[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting, like you just see his, his armor get chinked.
57:16.514 --> 57:20.751
[SPEAKER_01]: You see him understand his own like potential to like damage other people.
57:20.851 --> 57:22.618
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's all really fascinating.
57:23.324 --> 57:26.909
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no tenderness for Nick from his perspective at all.
57:26.949 --> 57:39.126
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually liked that about the movie I don't know if I loved it that much them, but now I'm saying when I watch it again I really do they don't try to like oh he's you know you're the uncle and he's enough you and you know You're gonna show him around New York.
57:39.306 --> 57:42.430
[SPEAKER_03]: You know we're gonna learn a few things along the way, but we're gonna be sweet about it like
57:42.410 --> 57:45.795
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no regard for the fact that Nick is 16 other than the fact that he's a virgin.
57:46.155 --> 57:49.780
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he refers to it again and again, but that's the only thing refers to is that he's clueless.
57:50.161 --> 58:05.683
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, he talks to him like he's an adult over and over again, like a 30-year-old man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and let me back up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he might he might be a terrible person don't be wrong.
58:12.381 --> 58:17.698
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he had to give me value, but I mean like the the way that he tries to get his
58:18.252 --> 58:28.022
[SPEAKER_02]: he tries to get his nephew to take advantage of this drunk woman in her in our encounter, rape her essentially, like that's an extremely disturbing scene.
58:28.863 --> 58:29.784
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, rough man.
58:30.044 --> 58:31.546
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a really rough scene.
58:31.566 --> 58:33.869
[SPEAKER_02]: So like there's there's stuff like that that he's doing throughout the movie.
58:33.889 --> 58:36.091
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, okay, this guy is this guy is a villain.
58:36.551 --> 58:39.815
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is like, he is a villain, but he's also a human lady.
58:39.835 --> 58:41.897
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got these redeeming moments, but
58:42.367 --> 58:44.449
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a fascinating character study.
58:44.469 --> 58:46.871
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the main thing is going on with the movie.
58:46.891 --> 58:52.297
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just him, though, because Jesse Eisenberg announcing himself with this movie is a really young age.
58:52.517 --> 58:54.999
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I remember being like, OK, this is the name I'm going to learn.
58:55.019 --> 58:56.241
[SPEAKER_02]: Because this guy's going to be around.
58:56.641 --> 58:57.282
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was right.
58:59.564 --> 59:05.670
[SPEAKER_02]: Watched him struggle with morality, because at that age, you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you might
59:08.624 --> 59:14.779
[SPEAKER_02]: You, if with an authority figure that you trust tipping you in a certain direction, you're going to be much more easily swayed.
59:15.079 --> 59:21.815
[SPEAKER_02]: And another terrible thing is uncle is doing is like, oh, your, your mother is struggling with alcoholism and you want to never have alcohol on your body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to drink this alcohol.
59:23.419 --> 59:24.221
[SPEAKER_02]: No more meditation.
59:24.522 --> 59:25.284
[SPEAKER_02]: You drink alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like drink your drink.
59:26.647 --> 59:34.920
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's pretty terrible, but he's distracted though and I'm not excusing his I'm just diving more into the character of Roger.
59:35.300 --> 59:41.029
[SPEAKER_03]: He's barely paying attention to that party because he's so obsessed with Rose?
59:41.049 --> 59:41.490
[SPEAKER_03]: What's her name?
59:41.950 --> 59:42.391
[SPEAKER_03]: Joyce.
59:42.571 --> 59:43.473
[SPEAKER_03]: Joyce, thank you.
59:43.753 --> 59:48.340
[SPEAKER_03]: He's so obsessed with Joyce and what's happened here and how a Ben Shankman's taken over his spot now.
59:48.380 --> 59:49.562
[SPEAKER_03]: He's pissed off about that.
59:49.602 --> 59:52.266
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's giving information and
59:52.246 --> 01:00:19.789
[SPEAKER_03]: a lead to a 60 year old that seems like oh this guy's lead me in the right direction but he couldn't be further from that because he's not paying attention he's just like here go do this I gotta do this shit like he's just it's not excusable I've just I really like that this character is just given to you flat on the surface as is and it's up for you to kind of decipher like well that guy's a piece of shit or this is wrong and this is right like they didn't hold he had to hold back in the script except for the ending I guess that was studio-mended.
01:00:20.596 --> 01:00:22.177
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't know that for sure, right?
01:00:22.878 --> 01:00:24.479
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm just going off to Eric's league, right?
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:25.520
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that for sure.
01:00:25.540 --> 01:00:26.281
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said.
01:00:27.222 --> 01:00:35.909
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I just wish that the character so well written that I just, yeah, again, I just wished he was entrenched with this nature.
01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:45.517
[SPEAKER_03]: What it made his character so much more interesting, like, um, but like I hate to say that with this movie, we've made today thing because it's so played out now, but would it?
01:00:49.301 --> 01:00:49.641
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:00:50.212 --> 01:01:14.667
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like it came out at a weird time because like the early 2000s were like the prime time where Movies glamorized the cynical like male anti-hero like even in terms of like the sexual predator like this guy Closer okay everyone loves fucking clavo and like he's so so great in this, you know, Tyler Durton guys The absolute piece of shit rapist
01:01:14.647 --> 01:01:22.660
[SPEAKER_01]: even like somebody like Rob Gordon and like high fidelity, what are my favorite movies, it is like his nature is romanticized.
01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:33.077
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas we're focusing more on like the charisma of a character like this as opposed to the impact his toxicity is on women.
01:01:33.412 --> 01:01:37.197
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, Rodger is a deeply misogynistic character.
01:01:37.738 --> 01:01:43.886
[SPEAKER_02]: What I kept on thinking, you know, spoiler alert, but what I kept on thinking is I was watching it like, where is this guy now?
01:01:44.447 --> 01:01:45.529
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is this guy today?
01:01:45.589 --> 01:01:47.011
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is Rodger in 2025?
01:01:47.632 --> 01:01:51.457
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he is he still clinging to QAnon?
01:01:51.938 --> 01:01:56.444
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is he like a completely annotated file?
01:01:56.564 --> 01:01:58.086
[SPEAKER_02]: Like where is this guy?
01:01:58.066 --> 01:02:08.255
[SPEAKER_02]: because he seems like a front runner to like a like an early adopter of nagging and in in cell culture and all that.
01:02:08.476 --> 01:02:11.104
[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth even before that.
01:02:11.966 --> 01:02:12.107
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
01:02:12.267 --> 01:02:13.290
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that.
01:02:13.962 --> 01:02:17.626
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy, they're kind of nagging right down, right, sorry, yeah.
01:02:17.686 --> 01:02:25.053
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this, if Roger still around, he either went to therapy and got he should together.
01:02:25.274 --> 01:02:27.656
[SPEAKER_03]: If we're to believe the ending, right, let's take the ending.
01:02:28.117 --> 01:02:29.718
[SPEAKER_03]: He finally goes back home to Ohio.
01:02:29.738 --> 01:02:36.565
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe most back to Ohio, he's out in New York City and he has a new life and he's really recovered from this period in his life because it's still a phase.
01:02:36.806 --> 01:02:43.092
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger's border 40, maybe like 30s, maybe 40 years old?
01:02:43.190 --> 01:02:44.816
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're getting the ballpark of that, right?
01:02:44.837 --> 01:02:46.764
[SPEAKER_03]: So we assume that he's 38 years old, 40 years old.
01:02:47.748 --> 01:02:47.869
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:51.222
[SPEAKER_03]: I really see this guy as a broken character, who's in pain.
01:02:51.262 --> 01:02:53.993
[SPEAKER_03]: And when people are in pain, they,
01:02:54.935 --> 01:02:59.261
[SPEAKER_03]: they inflict further pain upon the world because they're bitter about it.
01:02:59.281 --> 01:03:00.102
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I see this.
01:03:00.122 --> 01:03:03.787
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I like that the characters designed or laid out as is.
01:03:04.167 --> 01:03:06.670
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's, everybody's interpretation.
01:03:06.690 --> 01:03:07.591
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the best days about movies.
01:03:07.612 --> 01:03:08.613
[SPEAKER_03]: We all get to look at this guy.
01:03:08.833 --> 01:03:09.834
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of it looked clear-cut.
01:03:09.854 --> 01:03:11.997
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, oh, this guy's, he did that, he did that.
01:03:12.037 --> 01:03:13.619
[SPEAKER_03]: That's shitty, that's shitty, that's shitty.
01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:14.901
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are facts.
01:03:14.881 --> 01:03:23.080
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're up to subjective interpretation about what his motivations are, why he does the things he does, what led to all these events.
01:03:23.100 --> 01:03:30.257
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a wonderful trail-oed movie or story that could be written about how Roger got to this point that I would be interested in watching.
01:03:32.532 --> 01:03:42.948
[SPEAKER_01]: He reminds me a lot of fucking Patrick Bateman, so many who's just program themselves, who have an ideology that's intrinsically going to be negative for him.
01:03:43.048 --> 01:03:49.297
[SPEAKER_01]: I see him in 2025 at that same bar, saying the same lines, yeah, to get one out of five of these women.
01:03:49.658 --> 01:03:55.266
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, out loud, it meant our biologically programmed to conquer and that women are biologically programmed to resist.
01:03:55.246 --> 01:03:59.495
[SPEAKER_01]: He says all the time that he says a couple times at language is the ultimate weapon.
01:03:59.535 --> 01:04:03.223
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have this smooth talker who's just using it as a tool.
01:04:03.724 --> 01:04:11.180
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks that vulnerability is this trap that people put themselves in and everything's just fucking about predators and prey.
01:04:11.661 --> 01:04:12.843
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he works in advertising.
01:04:13.024 --> 01:04:14.146
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in horseshit.
01:04:14.246 --> 01:04:16.090
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is what social paths do.
01:04:16.627 --> 01:04:36.970
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does come up a pretty unhinged person, especially in the beginning where he's like not joking like they're all trying to have like lunch and like having a serious kind of like a joking conversation He's like they're serious about like fucking telepathy like we're gonna like women are gonna evolve telepathy to make man obsolete You sound like a fucking comment section of a YouTube video.
01:04:37.331 --> 01:04:38.652
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a crazy person
01:04:40.083 --> 01:04:44.690
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he, look, he, it's valid, I think we should mention.
01:04:44.710 --> 01:04:47.174
[SPEAKER_03]: He works in advertising and the things he has to say about advertising.
01:04:47.635 --> 01:04:48.497
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I still love it.
01:04:48.517 --> 01:04:52.523
[SPEAKER_03]: I think actually, a big part of this stuff with me, because I fucking hate commercials.
01:04:52.964 --> 01:04:54.206
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't stand advertising.
01:04:54.226 --> 01:04:58.553
[SPEAKER_03]: I think advertising one of the worst things ever happened to this country, like mainstream marketing advertising.
01:04:58.593 --> 01:04:59.594
[SPEAKER_03]: It's disaster.
01:05:00.075 --> 01:05:00.957
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes people feel shitty.
01:05:00.977 --> 01:05:02.739
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he says, what's missing from your life?
01:05:02.779 --> 01:05:04.903
[SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to figure out what you're missing from your life.
01:05:04.943 --> 01:05:06.225
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his job.
01:05:06.205 --> 01:05:15.928
[SPEAKER_03]: and I think it either was like a tailor made job for him or this job took him down to even a further hold that maybe he wasn't initially and when he started as a copyright.
01:05:16.702 --> 01:05:17.463
[SPEAKER_02]: made it both maybe.
01:05:18.244 --> 01:05:22.671
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie that actually I keep on thinking of with this movie is a movie that came out after it.
01:05:22.771 --> 01:05:25.876
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it was influenced by this movie which is 40 year old version.
01:05:26.036 --> 01:05:30.503
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I call it this 16 year old version of the movie because the plot is almost the same.
01:05:30.823 --> 01:05:39.857
[SPEAKER_02]: You have some guy who get in and let around by people that will or at least a person, people that want to show him how to get laid and that's the whole purpose of the movie.
01:05:39.837 --> 01:05:50.638
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he said one night you peripherals man use your peripherals and literally had literally had the same fucking conversation find the right girl It's like they're having the same fucking conversations.
01:05:51.500 --> 01:05:51.940
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
01:05:52.081 --> 01:05:52.962
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just in one night.
01:05:53.103 --> 01:05:53.323
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
01:05:54.502 --> 01:05:59.653
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking like five minutes where he's talking about using mirrors and stuff.
01:05:59.934 --> 01:06:03.361
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to talk about what I watch this over.
01:06:03.742 --> 01:06:07.029
[SPEAKER_03]: I was cringey man, but let's I mean, it wasn't untrue.
01:06:07.089 --> 01:06:09.775
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like people men have done.
01:06:10.216 --> 01:06:12.561
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not about I know you're not arguing that point, but
01:06:13.756 --> 01:06:16.500
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we check women out, right?
01:06:16.520 --> 01:06:18.784
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, man, we check women out.
01:06:19.305 --> 01:06:23.431
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, have you like this whole system in place?
01:06:24.092 --> 01:06:26.395
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's where it becomes real creepy, right?
01:06:26.456 --> 01:06:28.358
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, like you follow it.
01:06:28.419 --> 01:06:29.741
[SPEAKER_03]: He was an obscure guy or something.
01:06:29.781 --> 01:06:30.802
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's over the line.
01:06:30.822 --> 01:06:31.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all that stuff.
01:06:31.964 --> 01:07:01.735
[SPEAKER_02]: all that stuff about angles and all this stuff and like I see your point okay he crosses this line to be like oh we are humans that are attracted to other humans and we're going to like check him out and it becomes like this very like you this systematic thing that you're doing that you're trying to pass on to someone else so again it comes off like this like early kind of like in cell misogynistic black pill or whatever culture yeah he's talking like he's a teenager
01:07:02.913 --> 01:07:19.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, oh forgot my note about Jesse Eisenberg this guy's been wearing the same outfit in every movie Years in books the jack same he looks the exact fucking same pretty much him up a hoodie T-shirt same same face 25 years
01:07:19.838 --> 01:07:20.879
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable, man.
01:07:21.620 --> 01:07:22.982
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
01:07:23.002 --> 01:07:26.546
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like Yannu Reeves.
01:07:26.566 --> 01:07:27.407
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great in the movie.
01:07:27.968 --> 01:07:29.049
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of things.
01:07:29.149 --> 01:07:36.798
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I thought I read that was really interesting is that Dylan Kidd, he intentionally kept a lot of the blocking away from Jesse Eisenberg.
01:07:36.998 --> 01:07:43.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he mapped out all the Campbell Scott's movements and the other actors, but he wouldn't tell Jesse what to do.
01:07:43.666 --> 01:07:47.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is helpful because he always seems like off balance.
01:07:47.635 --> 01:07:51.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't know where to go and he always seems super awkward He's just trying to get her.
01:07:51.743 --> 01:07:52.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Roger all the time.
01:07:53.307 --> 01:07:55.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little thing that that I think goes a long way
01:07:56.170 --> 01:08:09.852
[SPEAKER_02]: That's genius, but I'm sorry, but it connects to another point with Eisenberg because he went on to be a director and I wonder if that influence him because this is like his first movie to be the one person out of step and like not knowing what's going on.
01:08:09.872 --> 01:08:14.500
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that being like, okay, moving forward, I really want to know what's going on with the direction.
01:08:14.860 --> 01:08:15.802
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:08:16.563 --> 01:08:22.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick, I don't know, did the character just seem to like,
01:08:23.069 --> 01:08:25.055
[SPEAKER_01]: here for you with a comment.
01:08:25.076 --> 01:08:26.761
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially for coming in on New York.
01:08:27.283 --> 01:08:32.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he didn't make sense that a kid would want to get out of Ohio to go to New York City with the character traits that he had.
01:08:32.861 --> 01:08:34.446
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you there.
01:08:34.662 --> 01:08:35.603
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fine.
01:08:35.643 --> 01:08:41.331
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that he did where he had that whole bit which is it's a great little monologue.
01:08:41.752 --> 01:08:51.826
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just I just didn't buy it coming from a 16 year old kid where he's talking about like being with someone so long that you they stopped putting up their defenses and that you're even more attracted to them now.
01:08:52.046 --> 01:08:53.648
[SPEAKER_03]: All that stuff was a way to do.
01:08:54.369 --> 01:08:57.193
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was written by someone much older.
01:08:57.747 --> 01:08:58.048
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:08:58.469 --> 01:08:59.031
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great.
01:08:59.051 --> 01:08:59.552
[SPEAKER_03]: All Travis.
01:08:59.974 --> 01:09:00.395
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot.
01:09:00.415 --> 01:09:02.521
[SPEAKER_03]: I was not going to mention that you were so right about that.
01:09:02.542 --> 01:09:03.163
[SPEAKER_03]: That was right.
01:09:03.224 --> 01:09:03.825
[SPEAKER_03]: You've no way.
01:09:03.886 --> 01:09:04.528
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, in your old.
01:09:04.788 --> 01:09:06.393
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you were pretty worthy at that age.
01:09:06.413 --> 01:09:09.061
[SPEAKER_03]: And if anybody was going to do it, maybe you've been in you, but no way.
01:09:09.222 --> 01:09:10.305
[SPEAKER_03]: That just doesn't add up.
01:09:11.467 --> 01:09:12.689
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an old soul.
01:09:12.950 --> 01:09:23.789
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I guess he is but I don't think it's trade that up to what he's up to He's obviously an upset kid, but he says he's he's having family issues, but like He's a person to be trying to just go out and fuck like this.
01:09:24.410 --> 01:09:24.931
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
01:09:25.251 --> 01:09:28.216
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah He's 60 shy and he's scared.
01:09:28.617 --> 01:09:29.499
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's my hormones.
01:09:29.879 --> 01:09:32.023
[SPEAKER_03]: He's filled with anxiety
01:09:32.223 --> 01:09:37.459
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not like that interesting enough a place to go because he's all about connection from the onset.
01:09:37.579 --> 01:09:40.708
[SPEAKER_01]: His arc is a little limp for me, but he's good in it.
01:09:42.534 --> 01:09:45.743
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as we kind of wind things down here.
01:09:46.280 --> 01:09:51.667
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, it reminded me also of a movie, oh my god, I love this movie, shame with Michael Fassbender.
01:09:51.687 --> 01:09:52.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
01:09:52.368 --> 01:09:53.429
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta bring it on the show sometime.
01:09:53.869 --> 01:09:57.914
[SPEAKER_01]: But this, his character in that is, he's just like Roger Dodger.
01:09:57.995 --> 01:10:01.018
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like almost as sociopathic, sexual predators.
01:10:01.038 --> 01:10:03.822
[SPEAKER_01]: It just craves sex to fill up the emptiness in his life.
01:10:04.443 --> 01:10:06.465
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the point of that movie is like,
01:10:06.833 --> 01:10:10.478
[SPEAKER_01]: He this character in shame is he's never like swath.
01:10:10.498 --> 01:10:11.740
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a smooth talker.
01:10:11.780 --> 01:10:17.448
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just as a fucking addiction and like the point of that movie is like how empty it makes him feel.
01:10:17.508 --> 01:10:23.616
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you what you take away from that is feeling very kind of bad for someone who has an addiction.
01:10:24.277 --> 01:10:26.440
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Roger in a lot of ways is the same way.
01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:30.546
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that we come we came away in 2002.
01:10:31.218 --> 01:10:33.040
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to poster this guy on my wall.
01:10:33.160 --> 01:10:34.442
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a weird message.
01:10:35.823 --> 01:10:38.186
[SPEAKER_02]: For the record, I didn't want to poster him on my wall.
01:10:38.206 --> 01:10:39.968
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to poster of the movie on my wall.
01:10:40.789 --> 01:10:52.982
[SPEAKER_02]: And the message of the movie is pretty clearly stated by Elizabeth Berkley's character when she's departing.
01:10:53.082 --> 01:10:55.785
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, we need more men like you to him.
01:10:56.145 --> 01:10:58.508
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like, if you're not
01:10:58.876 --> 01:11:19.382
[SPEAKER_02]: paying attention with maybe we were not paying enough attention in our younger years, but then you might walk away thinking that Roger Dodgers a cool guy, but like it's pretty obvious as a growing man that this is a desperate sad kind of tragic dude that makes people whose lives worse and harder around him because he's just so fucking in turmoil that he's going to spread that shit around other people and
01:11:19.362 --> 01:11:28.162
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse Eisenberg's character, Nick, is actually a pretty good person that makes the right choices throughout the movie, despite being kind of misled.
01:11:28.202 --> 01:11:38.586
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that the point of the movie is to be more like Nick and not like the older generation that kind of is more interested in objectifying women.
01:11:39.730 --> 01:11:46.177
[SPEAKER_03]: I really had a beef with the way of this film is shot like I couldn't get away from it.
01:11:46.437 --> 01:11:54.506
[SPEAKER_03]: It really stood out to be a lot more than it ever did before with all these close-up shots and the shaky cams and some of it was cool.
01:11:54.867 --> 01:11:57.930
[SPEAKER_03]: But then other times I started to get annoyed by it and I noticed it too much.
01:11:57.990 --> 01:12:00.253
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I don't know if that was just because it was me or not.
01:12:00.313 --> 01:12:04.337
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just have to make clear that I really was frustrated by the
01:12:04.317 --> 01:12:09.742
[SPEAKER_03]: shots in this film in the design of the cinematography more than I ever had been before.
01:12:12.984 --> 01:12:15.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you wrap it up?
01:12:15.526 --> 01:12:15.627
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:15.647 --> 01:12:16.507
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought it to the table.
01:12:16.567 --> 01:12:17.188
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said a lot.
01:12:17.688 --> 01:12:22.693
[SPEAKER_01]: I've pretty much spent all my my notes on this.
01:12:22.973 --> 01:12:24.714
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.
01:12:24.754 --> 01:12:33.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think this is a film that you should see.
01:12:34.523 --> 01:12:39.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting thing, it's got this, you know, mammoth-esque language is very clear.
01:12:40.089 --> 01:12:41.650
[SPEAKER_01]: Neal, lobute, type language.
01:12:41.830 --> 01:12:43.252
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always going to be interesting to me.
01:12:43.272 --> 01:12:49.258
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, I, it's just seemed like mature character speaking in a film, which we don't see a lot.
01:12:49.478 --> 01:12:50.880
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just verbal combat.
01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:55.244
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some emotional violence that isn't celebrated enough in film.
01:12:57.426 --> 01:13:03.012
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it seemed fresh to me a long time ago in 2002,
01:13:03.667 --> 01:13:18.123
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to remember that like, people like Cassivetti's was doing this like 30 years before that with husbands and woman under the influence and this sort of a movie about like harm being done to to women to protect a male's self image.
01:13:18.183 --> 01:13:22.448
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this isn't like new stuff for 2002, but it was an eye opener.
01:13:22.989 --> 01:13:27.514
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it perked up our ears at an age where we kind
01:13:27.747 --> 01:13:32.624
[SPEAKER_01]: Mentors in our life to navigate through a lot of complicated things in society.
01:13:33.668 --> 01:13:34.531
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an important film.
01:13:35.293 --> 01:13:36.558
[SPEAKER_01]: It's important in the indie scene.
01:13:37.360 --> 01:13:39.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Made a splash.
01:13:39.678 --> 01:13:41.680
[SPEAKER_01]: but then it kind of disappeared.
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:49.889
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be really interested to see what people today is new generation would have to say about it because I think it's still an entertaining film.
01:13:50.770 --> 01:13:57.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got some weird stuff in it, but I don't think Dylan Kidd is pushing any agenda on this.
01:13:57.278 --> 01:13:59.901
[SPEAKER_01]: His narrative seems very neutral to me.
01:14:00.301 --> 01:14:01.663
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of why I still dig it, man.
01:14:01.683 --> 01:14:02.884
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this film holds up.
01:14:07.808 --> 01:14:08.489
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go in next.
01:14:08.509 --> 01:14:09.270
[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to jump in?
01:14:09.290 --> 01:14:10.651
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll go in.
01:14:13.915 --> 01:14:19.202
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie, as I said before, is just such a classic example of why the show exists.
01:14:19.983 --> 01:14:29.614
[SPEAKER_03]: And of our time frame of growth from the early 2000s to the mid-2020s, because not just because of
01:14:30.117 --> 01:14:39.958
[SPEAKER_03]: who we are, but because of growth and time, human development, you have 21, 22 years old nice all this movie, and how I'm 45.
01:14:40.833 --> 01:14:44.660
[SPEAKER_03]: But a lot of shit that happened in the middle of that that have altered my perspective.
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:46.884
[SPEAKER_03]: I see this movie so differently than I did.
01:14:47.425 --> 01:14:55.921
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought Roger was so slick with his the way he was so snappy and he had these judgments of these quips and he could size up a situation just like that.
01:14:56.342 --> 01:14:57.204
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool.
01:14:57.224 --> 01:14:57.404
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
01:14:57.444 --> 01:14:58.025
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
01:14:58.065 --> 01:14:59.468
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the dialogue back then.
01:14:59.889 --> 01:15:00.610
[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote down again.
01:15:00.630 --> 01:15:01.672
[SPEAKER_03]: I still love the dialogue.
01:15:01.692 --> 01:15:03.195
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the dialogue is excellent.
01:15:03.175 --> 01:15:03.556
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
01:15:04.237 --> 01:15:07.723
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think it was just there for the sake of being there.
01:15:07.783 --> 01:15:12.893
[SPEAKER_03]: There were things that were said from the characters perspective that made sense for their motivations.
01:15:13.474 --> 01:15:15.518
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just see the women so much differently now.
01:15:15.578 --> 01:15:19.345
[SPEAKER_03]: I think about Joyce and she's a powerful woman.
01:15:19.425 --> 01:15:23.633
[SPEAKER_03]: She's running her own ad shop and she's dipping her pen in the company ink.
01:15:24.013 --> 01:15:26.618
[SPEAKER_03]: And when she's done, she's done.
01:15:26.598 --> 01:15:27.840
[SPEAKER_03]: for its time period.
01:15:27.900 --> 01:15:34.131
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of it was definitely a different modeling of what you would typically I see in mainstream film I guess.
01:15:34.371 --> 01:15:35.874
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I'm doing this quote thing so much.
01:15:35.934 --> 01:15:36.735
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not Chris Farley.
01:15:36.775 --> 01:15:37.015
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
01:15:37.656 --> 01:15:38.358
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'm doing that.
01:15:38.398 --> 01:15:39.439
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm developing a tick today.
01:15:39.780 --> 01:15:43.366
[SPEAKER_03]: But Josh, he's kind of a dick like that.
01:15:43.406 --> 01:15:44.668
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a dick move.
01:15:44.788 --> 01:15:46.171
[SPEAKER_03]: His actions aren't acceptable at all.
01:15:46.211 --> 01:15:46.952
[SPEAKER_03]: Rodgers.
01:15:46.932 --> 01:16:14.121
[SPEAKER_03]: He's very mature and he is hurt obviously, but you know, she's just out of the next guy to so she's no St. Obviously, but I just see the women's having a lot more control now than I did when I was 22 And I'm talking about deals in Berkeley as well and the things they have to say and what they identify with the in Roger and the way he is and how he can't see it all But doesn't seem to give a fuck like the things that Roger does in the bar like talking to the old woman about yeah
01:16:14.354 --> 01:16:17.157
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's got to make a nervous, that hurts.
01:16:17.177 --> 01:16:22.343
[SPEAKER_03]: That's such a shitty thing to go out of your way to do, even if it still rings true possibly.
01:16:22.603 --> 01:16:23.404
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the point.
01:16:23.884 --> 01:16:25.346
[SPEAKER_03]: The point is, how do you make people feel it?
01:16:25.386 --> 01:16:26.147
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your presence?
01:16:26.167 --> 01:16:29.350
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your purpose on this earth to make them aware?
01:16:29.370 --> 01:16:33.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're not aware, so they can feel more shitty about themselves.
01:16:33.555 --> 01:16:36.038
[SPEAKER_03]: I see Rodgers so much differently now than I did while I was young.
01:16:36.758 --> 01:16:40.142
[SPEAKER_03]: And some of these scenes like with the women at the party,
01:16:40.122 --> 01:16:58.254
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, that was hard to watch, but it was important that was on film because that type of shit still goes on Parties still happening and people are still growing up and they're using alcohol for the first time and there are things that we need to bring into light more often And that is really important to have on Cellulose are really grateful for that.
01:16:58.274 --> 01:17:01.860
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of things are grateful about this movie, but as a watch
01:17:03.342 --> 01:17:07.648
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, it was entertaining, but I was really like, ugh, ugh, ugh, so much.
01:17:07.688 --> 01:17:09.270
[SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really was torn.
01:17:09.650 --> 01:17:12.194
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost feel like I got a flip-a-point of whether or not this would be a hold-up.
01:17:12.234 --> 01:17:17.701
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna say, this movie holds up because it just expresses itself as it is.
01:17:18.342 --> 01:17:19.163
[SPEAKER_03]: And no more no less.
01:17:22.908 --> 01:17:24.911
[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like we all have a lot to say about this movie.
01:17:25.592 --> 01:17:30.919
[SPEAKER_02]: Still, I like to comment about Dylan Kidd's direction one more time.
01:17:31.793 --> 01:17:36.336
[SPEAKER_02]: mostly this one shot at the end of the film where
01:17:36.755 --> 01:17:53.462
[SPEAKER_02]: it's pushing and slowly on the couch and you see Campbell Scott coming in out of the frame, you can see dust floating in the sunlight and then finally Campbell Scott comes and he sits down into frame and you know there's there's some shots like this in the film, there's just really, really good.
01:17:53.482 --> 01:18:02.357
[SPEAKER_02]: I did agree, I think that the cinematography here is really strong and I think that
01:18:02.658 --> 01:18:27.855
[SPEAKER_02]: a much more promising career than we got out of this guy i think the score is aggravating um oh my god no this is score attack no version of the score in the whole house was yeah cult to deal with that score was intense man not a good score that grinded my gears the whole fucking movie completely different experience watching this movie that now you know um
01:18:28.375 --> 01:18:29.276
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it hold up?
01:18:29.736 --> 01:18:35.261
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, that's just a different question than did I get something out of it differently?
01:18:35.842 --> 01:18:39.385
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I got a lot more, it does it hold up.
01:18:39.565 --> 01:18:40.265
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the question.
01:18:41.086 --> 01:18:47.432
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot more out of the film than I believe I got out of it as a younger man.
01:18:51.055 --> 01:18:52.756
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I enjoy the film more?
01:18:52.796 --> 01:18:54.358
[SPEAKER_02]: Was I entertained by it more?
01:18:54.398 --> 01:18:56.880
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:18:57.687 --> 01:19:00.831
[SPEAKER_02]: I like you, Mike, I really felt like I could flip a coin.
01:19:00.872 --> 01:19:02.314
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like really kind of struggling on this.
01:19:02.354 --> 01:19:06.820
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that you said it barely held up, I'm going to say it barely doesn't hold up.
01:19:07.521 --> 01:19:24.285
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of just to kind of like, to not give us a full pass all three, because I feel like it's, on one hand, I'm surprised and I do think like if it's been a long time since you've seen the movie, I think you should revisit it, because you're going to get something different out of it.
01:19:24.434 --> 01:19:29.720
[SPEAKER_02]: But is it as good as I remember it being, I don't really know.
01:19:30.380 --> 01:19:31.882
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to say it does not quite hold up.
01:19:35.146 --> 01:19:39.550
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I cannot believe, didn't mention the fucking score.
01:19:42.133 --> 01:19:46.118
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so memorable, but yeah, it's like so in your face.
01:19:47.719 --> 01:19:51.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Resilophone.
01:19:51.552 --> 01:19:54.036
[SPEAKER_03]: God, I feel like it's a mistake that we didn't mention earlier.
01:19:54.056 --> 01:19:56.200
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget myself for that one, but Alright, there it is.
01:19:57.221 --> 01:20:00.106
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you think, God, because I didn't even mention my final summation.
01:20:00.306 --> 01:20:02.530
[SPEAKER_03]: Shit, I would have had to live without the rest of my life.
01:20:02.550 --> 01:20:04.113
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like Rogers to live with his choices.
01:20:04.653 --> 01:20:06.436
[SPEAKER_03]: But, fascinating film.
01:20:06.516 --> 01:20:08.019
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you brought it to the table, Eric.
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.523
[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely was going to come on the show at some point, but
01:20:10.958 --> 01:20:11.679
[SPEAKER_03]: complicated.
01:20:11.740 --> 01:20:14.125
[SPEAKER_03]: I still feel like I don't know.
01:20:14.165 --> 01:20:18.273
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel kind of weird right now, but I would be happy with whatever vote I gave it.
01:20:18.494 --> 01:20:24.065
[SPEAKER_01]: If I said, you're just so we're just so afraid to be endorsing Rogers mantra here.
01:20:24.085 --> 01:20:26.169
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's really not that at all.
01:20:26.310 --> 01:20:27.231
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not for me.
01:20:27.332 --> 01:20:28.214
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll speak for myself.
01:20:28.254 --> 01:20:29.276
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not it at all.
01:20:29.396 --> 01:20:30.418
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just
01:20:30.398 --> 01:20:45.360
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't that entertaining for me this time where I'm like Travis was saying I was like I was really annoyed and I was like But I kind of come to the conclusion like I said that it put it it puts it out there for you to make your own judgment Son and I liked that about it.
01:20:45.740 --> 01:20:47.062
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you know that?
01:20:47.383 --> 01:20:47.924
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
01:20:48.184 --> 01:20:48.905
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:20:48.925 --> 01:20:50.247
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll ask her go in go in
01:20:51.188 --> 01:21:00.241
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that moment when they're talking about his first kiss and like all that kind of stuff Yeah, and then and then and like it's kind of like a nice moment.
01:21:00.301 --> 01:21:05.969
[SPEAKER_02]: Then Roger goes no tongue and like everyone just kind of turns and looks at him like what the fuck?
01:21:06.330 --> 01:21:08.353
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's kind of how I felt through most of the movie.
01:21:08.693 --> 01:21:09.935
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you're in memory.
01:21:11.237 --> 01:21:11.998
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree
01:21:12.788 --> 01:21:14.690
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm able to parse it and compartmentalize.
01:21:14.730 --> 01:21:22.238
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I guess, I just think for a human perspective, there's a lot of fun, but like interesting things about it.
01:21:22.819 --> 01:21:23.420
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't either.
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:24.461
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, are you here?
01:21:25.502 --> 01:21:25.602
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:21:25.622 --> 01:21:28.265
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you, uh, what'd you think of that Roger Dodger movie we watched?
01:21:28.445 --> 01:21:33.090
[SPEAKER_03]: The one we watched with the guy, like takes his nephew around town New York City that one night.
01:21:34.592 --> 01:21:34.652
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
01:21:34.672 --> 01:21:35.373
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like that movie?
01:21:35.393 --> 01:21:37.375
[SPEAKER_03]: He's there on a stupid member like he's boss.
01:21:37.395 --> 01:21:39.437
[SPEAKER_03]: He's having sex with her, and then she dumps him.
01:21:52.748 --> 01:21:54.610
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, it's tickable and fine.
01:21:54.730 --> 01:21:56.272
[SPEAKER_03]: No, connectable and fine.
01:21:57.373 --> 01:21:57.733
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:21:57.773 --> 01:21:58.714
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Lee.
01:21:58.734 --> 01:22:00.075
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
01:22:00.416 --> 01:22:01.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:22:01.317 --> 01:22:03.339
[SPEAKER_02]: A woman's just going to run through Dodger.
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:03.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:22:03.679 --> 01:22:05.581
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even find seven.
01:22:05.621 --> 01:22:07.022
[SPEAKER_03]: Not as mad as you'd think they'd be.
01:22:08.243 --> 01:22:11.927
[SPEAKER_03]: I know predictable formulaic.
01:22:12.087 --> 01:22:12.588
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:22:12.828 --> 01:22:15.431
[SPEAKER_03]: So for next week, it's my turn.
01:22:17.433 --> 01:22:20.035
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to do a film that I've never seen before.
01:22:20.476 --> 01:22:20.916
[SPEAKER_03]: So
01:22:22.145 --> 01:22:27.281
[SPEAKER_03]: What you want to watch it again, oh, yeah, I don't know if you will watch this one or not.
01:22:27.301 --> 01:22:29.428
[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't like scary stuff, but it won't be scary, but we don't worry.
01:22:30.912 --> 01:22:32.257
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to do this film.
01:22:32.297 --> 01:22:36.289
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had it was like this one or that one.
01:22:37.366 --> 01:22:38.968
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's I'm going to do a comedy.
01:22:39.168 --> 01:22:39.449
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:22:40.490 --> 01:22:43.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to do a movie that I have seen before.
01:22:43.074 --> 01:22:44.416
[SPEAKER_03]: I just changed my mind the very last second.
01:22:45.217 --> 01:22:48.121
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen this movie since 1996 when it came out.
01:22:48.141 --> 01:22:53.628
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe it was 96 and you know, given the fact that he's a legend.
01:22:54.069 --> 01:22:55.731
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a new documentary out recently.
01:22:56.292 --> 01:23:02.000
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a look at 1996, the nutty professor starring Eddie Murphy.
01:23:02.060 --> 01:23:03.102
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this movie funny?
01:23:03.182 --> 01:23:04.183
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it hold up?
01:23:05.210 --> 01:23:06.351
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you didn't say no!
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually had a different movie of mine and I just did the curveball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a little bit of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, so we're doing a naughty professor next week on the similar night bot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let Travis know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let Eric know what you think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love getting connections from you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The listeners of you are a sub.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For Travis and Eric, I'm Michael.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good night to you now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, was it something he said?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A snippet tree.
