OM DENNE EPISODE
In this episode, Rev. Chris Gordon and Rev. Dr. Dan Borvan tackle the pervasive issue of controversy within Christian circles. They discuss the rise of 'hot take theology' mentalities, exemplified by figures like Joel Webbon, and the dangers of mistaking attention-seeking for 'bold Christianity.' The conversation delves into the detrimental effects of anonymous online attacks, citing the Josh Buice situation as a stark example. They emphasize the biblical importance of face-to-face confrontation, character in pastoral ministry, and the slow, deliberate process of church discipline, contrasting it with society's demand for immediate justice. The pastors also examine the role of 'watchdogs,' the perils of platforming controversial figures like Corey Mahler, and the ultimate futility of chasing headlines over the evergreen truths of the Gospel and the ordinary means of grace. The episode concludes with a powerful call to appreciate faithful pastors who quietly labor for the Kingdom.
00:00 - Introduction to Controversy
03:15 - Everything is 'Pro Wrestling'
03:20 - Joel Webbon and 'Bold Christianity'
04:10 - The Fruit of 'Hot Take Theology'
07:05 - The Josh Buice Situation
10:00 - Face-to-Face Confrontation
10:30 - The Importance of Self-Discipline
12:00 - Character in Pastoral Ministry
13:00 - The Pervasiveness of 'Watchdogs'
13:40 - Steve Lawson and Donatism
14:25 - Josh Buice and Mob Mentality
17:25 - Partial Knowledge in Discussions
18:40 - Church Failures and Institutional Processes
19:50 - Immediate vs. Deliberate Justice
20:45 - The Years-Long Discipline Process
24:45 - The Brutality of Church Discipline
26:55 - Two Witnesses in the Old Testament
27:40 - 'Watchdogs' and Consistory Experience
29:00 - Caring for the Disciplined Person
29:30 - Corey Mahler and James White Debate
31:55 - Podcasts Are Not Means of Grace
33:00 - Is God a Proposition to Be Debated?
33:40 - Legitimate vs. Platforming Debates
35:25 - James White's Gospel Focus
36:10 - God Displeased with Controversial Tactics
37:20 - Evergreen Topics and Means of Grace
38:00 - Burnout and Controversy
39:30 - Express Gratitude to Faithful Pastors
40:10 - Make the Scriptures 'Great' Again
Tags: #controversy #churchdiscipline #pastoralministry #hottheology #joelwebbon #joshbuice #jameswhite #christianity #reformedtheology #meansofgrace #character #selfdiscipline #watchdogs #donatism #mobmentality #churchgovernment #debates #platforming #burnout #faithfulpastors #gospel #sacraments
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Rev. Dr. Daniel Borvan is pastor of preaching ministry at Christ Reformed Church. His responsibilities are to “preach the Word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching” (2 Timothy 4:2).
Daniel earned his Master of Divinity degree from Westminster Seminary California in 2011. As a student at Westminster Seminary he learned that all study of Scripture, theology, and church history is put into practice in the worship and work of the church. The goal is to glorify Christ by serving His church. At Westminster Seminary he also earned a Master of Arts degree in Historical Theology. His thesis paper was on Faustus Socinus.
Daniel is chairman of the Heidelberg Reformation Association. Some of his published articles are on the Heidelblog website. Daniel was installed as pastor of preaching ministry at Christ Reformed Church, September 29, 2023, having served four years at Grace Torrance United Reformed Church in Torrance, California as minister of Word and sacrament. Daniel is married to Marcy and they have two daughters and a son.
