Posh 0-2 Doncaster | Luke Williams is SACKED | Who comes next? | Which players let him down?

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Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode
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of Up the Poshcast. Peterborough United lost
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at home 2 -0 to, at the time, bottom of the table
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Doncaster Rovers, which led to the immediate
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post -match sacking of manager Luke Williams.
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Today I was joined by Charlie, I'm Harry. We
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went through the game, those of you who watched
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the live... Announcing the sacking. That's where
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we primarily talked about Luke Williams' reign
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and where do we go from here. We touched on that
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a little bit today. I was interested to hear
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what Charlie's views were. But primarily, this
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was about the game itself. And boy, was it a
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stinker. I mean, a second game of the season
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already with no shots on target at home. And
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there was sparks of creativity in a couple of
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moments on the wings. But outside of that, it
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was pretty dreadful. We think that there's some
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players who are letting themselves down a bit
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here and that we'd expect their standards to
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be risen by a new coach and some who may not
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just be good enough for the level, which we also
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discussed as well. We finally rounded up at the
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end a little bit more on where do we go from
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here, but also a bit on Dara's comments and expectations
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and how they may impact any new manager coming
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in and whether saying that we're top six. or
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we'd be top four if Sam Hughes and Tom O 'Connor
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are. Now, other Podcast listeners will know that
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we recorded last night a live for the Luke Williams
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sacking and the reaction to it. Before we get
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into the game yesterday where we lost 2 -0 to
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Donny, Charlie, you weren't on that live. Do
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you want to sum up your feelings on the sacking
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of Luke? It had to happen. I've been pretty supportive
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of Luke Williams, I'd say, more than most in
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recent weeks. But even though I looked at him
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yesterday. And it's quite a sad sight, seeing
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the London Rodents singing sacked in the morning
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and then looking at him sort of 2 -0 down, just
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crumpled on his chair in the dugout. And I tweeted
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it at the time. It was over between Peterborough
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United and Luke Williams at that point. And yeah,
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it's a sad way for it to end. In some ways, I'm
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happy it ended in that way because it was like,
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at least everyone's on the same page. You know,
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the fans, Dara, everybody. realise that it was
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time for change and they'll never be able to
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be revisionist history about, you know, well,
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the fans didn't want Luke Williams out or it
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was pretty clear what people wanted. But he deserved
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to go. It was a turgid, turgid game yesterday.
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One of the worst I've been to. Posh performances
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where, you know, we failed to muster a single
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shot on target against Doncaster Rovers, who
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were bottom of the league at the time. And terrible,
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by the way. Terrible team. It was, yeah. Really
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disappointing yesterday and a pretty fitting
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way for Luke Williams to go with a very boring,
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heartless display, which sums up his Peterborough
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United team recently. So, yeah, sad, sad that
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it's ended, but it's probably right. Yeah, I
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think you're summing up. Probably most closely
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aligned with what John said yesterday. It's a
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good point that you raise. This is one of the
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most clean -cut ones ever following the chanting
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from... I don't think I have ever heard the London
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Road Ends sing like that in my 20 -plus years
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supporting Posh. Even at the pits of the worst
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of Dave Robertson or... I'm trying to think who
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else. The thing is, we've sacked managers in
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seventh in League One before. We've sacked Gary
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Johnson at seventh. We sacked Steve Evans, I
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think, at seventh. Maybe even Grant McCann at
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seventh. And you've had Fergie sacked at 24th.
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You've had Luke Williams sacked at 23rd. But
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honestly, this one, as you say, I think was even
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more nailed on than Fergie was. there was not
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that kind of chanting even like when we lost
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to blackpool yeah there was a little bit the
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gh was like the gh got involved a little bit
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at the end of the blackpool game and sung some
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stuff about fergie but it wasn't widespread i
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think the the thing that sort of saved fergie
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from that last year is the respect that posh
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fans have for him for what he's done for the
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club and you know his longevity makes It's much
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sadder when Fergie's got to go. It's a decision
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that nobody really wants to happen. And also,
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Posh fans know that Fergie has a brilliant track
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record and can take us on these runs where we
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just absolutely saw. And so, you know, there's
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always that chance of it happening with Fergie.
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So that's maybe why there was not the same widespread
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calling for his head. But yeah, it was... crazy
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to listen to yesterday from the London road and
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I genuinely didn't expect it I could tell that
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there was a lot of frustration like moans and
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groans from the fans during the game and especially
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when like the playing out from the back wasn't
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going well there was booing and stuff like it
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felt negative but even I was surprised by just
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the outpour of emotion when that second Doncaster
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goal went in yeah I mean just a final comment
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before we get into the game itself do you have
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a manager in mind that you would want to come
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in now Charlie I said it last year. I got hammered
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for it. I'm going to say it again. Give me Steve
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Evans. I want someone who's going to come in
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and put his arm around the right players in this
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changing room and bin off the ones that he thinks
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are too weak to play for Peterborough United.
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Guy loves the football club. He loves Peterborough
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United, Steve Evans. Regardless of whether you
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like him as a guy, he likes us and he really
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likes Posh and would, I think, love to get another
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crack at managing us. Still seems to have a good
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relationship with Dara. I don't think it will
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be Evans because... That is a massive change
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from what we've done in the past. I think realistically
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it'll be Karl Robinson, but Steve Evans would
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genuinely be my first choice because I genuinely
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think he could get something good out of this
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group. I can't remember where Steve Evans landed
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on our little polls that we did last night. Karl
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Robinson was a net negative, interestingly. And
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the one that had the most positives was Shalanoor,
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the old Stockport manager, who is, of course...
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still available. If we can get someone like him,
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who has a proven track record at League One,
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that would be great. I also wouldn't mind Carl
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Robinson. I definitely wouldn't mind Carl Robinson.
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I actually think he was harshly sacked at Salford,
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and they've not really started the season particularly
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well, so he's sort of been vindicated there.
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They've got a better squad this year than they
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had last year as well. They've got a ridiculous
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squad this year, although they do have Otto.
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But I just think... He's a decent manager. Also,
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Carl Robinson, what I would say, if it does look
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likely that he is going to become posh manager,
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which I think it is, watch the Salford documentary.
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They do a lot. There's a lot of footage from
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last year of like in the changing room of team
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talks of half times of games, which is going
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to be nice because we'll be able to see exactly
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what his temperament is like. during that those
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periods and you know what he's like when we're
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winning what he's like when we're losing and
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he is a passion merchant and he's great on the
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sideline as well a real presence and part of
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me was watching Grant McCann and Cliff Byrne
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yesterday and just the absolute passion the fact
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that they literally was there was never not one
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of them man marking the fourth official you know
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one of them was always in the fourth officials
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there and their presence and then running down
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the touchline to the Doncaster fans when they
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scored the second goal and I'm not gonna lie
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I watched that and then Watched Luke Williams'
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calm demeanour and just thought, I want a bit
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of passion back in our dugout. I love it. Give
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me a manager doing a knee slide in front of the
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away end over a manager who politely applauds
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his team's goals every day of the week. Well,
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let's see if Karl Robinson or Steve Evans will
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do knee slides in front of... Who would it be?
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Is it Burton we have at home next? Yeah. I think
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it is Burton. Yeah, Wildhill then as well. We
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shall see. Right, should we get into the game?
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I mean, I might go first because I've almost
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semi -interviewed you there for a little bit.
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I will get the full ratings out soon enough,
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but for me, people will see my ratings might
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look like I've taken the piss a little bit because
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I've given literally every one of the starting
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11 a 4 out of 10 with the exception of Bolu,
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who I gave a 6. I really do mean that. It was
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the most consistently gutless and... precisionless
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performance from everyone except for Bolu that
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I could have conceived of, really, without being
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a complete and utter disaster. We didn't lose
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6 -0 yesterday, right? I'm not handing out ones
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out of 10. But every man failed to do a few things
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correctly. One was position themselves for the
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second and third ball properly, which led us
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down blind alleys, and that's what led to the
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first goal. There was a serious lack. of fight
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and guts in the air. I've just gone and looked
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at the stats. How many of Ormerod's six aerial
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duels did he win? Zero. How many of Harry Leonard's
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aerial duels did he win? Three aerial duels.
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Zero. So we can talk about the complaints for
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the short ball out option, but also when we did
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punt it long, which we did plenty of yesterday
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as well, there was at least some adaptation there
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from... bass and kelly as terrible as some of
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their balls were even the ones that were accurate
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weren't getting one in the air so nothing was
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working there was clearly the same old plan to
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get the wingers involved i .e get the ball to
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edwards and bolu see if they can break down the
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channels and get a ball in well they both did
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that repeatedly i think that bolu was a bit more
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precise and edwards just For a guy who is so
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capable of getting past his man, just where is
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the end product? And also, though, I'm not just
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blaming Edwards either, because at the same time,
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if you know that he can't spray a ball across
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the six -yard line, this is mainly aimed at Ormerod
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here, who never... Never did the move to take
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a step back to the penalty spot. He'd always
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be in the six -yard box bursting in. Edwards
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is not capable of those balls. They're always
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going to be dragged along the ground to the middle
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of the penalty box. Why don't you take a step
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back? Why don't you learn to work with your winger
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rather than insisting on completing a ball that
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was never, ever going to happen and wouldn't
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happen in another 90 minutes, even though Edwards
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probably would have got past his man another
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five or six times if he had stayed on for another
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90 minutes or 76 minutes, whatever it was he
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was on the pitch. I think that the players need
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to recognise that they, just as much as Luke
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Williams, let themselves down with that lack
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of precision and lack of fight in the hard yards
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moments and just the lack of intelligence in
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the final third. We'd never have scored if we'd
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played a second game. And ultimately, when a
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new manager comes in, I think the standards need
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to be raised about how much guts they put in.
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when they're up against big League One players,
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it's not all going to be pretty football. You're
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going to have to stick your body on the line
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at times. And the players, particularly up towards
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the top of the pitch, just were not doing that
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at all yesterday. Yeah, I thought, well, we controlled
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the game a lot better than we did against Barnsley.
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We had a lot more presence in midfield, partly
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because... the fullbacks were stepping in there
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quite a lot like carl johnston at one point literally
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although he was playing right back was like left
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and left cdm in the build which is unusual but
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worked i guess it was a good good strategy to
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try and just give us some extra bodies and a
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bit more control in there but we sacrificed that
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with that control the dynamism that we had in
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the week and we were just so limp like there
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was a couple of promising moments. The one that
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really sticks in my head is when Edwards got
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played through in literally miles of space on
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the left -hand side and Orm Orod was basically
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running in the middle for a cutback and there
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was one Doncaster defender back and Edwards somehow
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could have taken it to goal himself, could have
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just played it anywhere that's not within the
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sort of gettable circle of this defender and
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he just hit it straight at the defender and that
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was so frustrating. And that really summed up...
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what it was yesterday, it was no end product,
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but we also didn't make Doncaster play really.
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Like we didn't challenge them at all. They came
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with a very clear game plan, which was to sit
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back and defend deep and then counter -attack
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using the width. And then when we had the ball
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high, they really pressed us. But then when we
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got the ball past their sort of first line of
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press, they'd then all sit back and drop off.
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that was just such an effective plan for them
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because we did nothing to move those players
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around. We did nothing to challenge their players
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aerially. You're right to highlight Ormrod and
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Leonard in the air. They were both terrible.
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Didn't win a header, didn't win a flip on all
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day. And I'm not expecting them, when we're punting
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the ball long, to win, you know, 80, 90 % of
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aerial duels. That's not what they're expected
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to do. But all you've got to do is win two or
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three in a game and you can... create massive
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chances and flick the ball on for teammates and
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it just didn't happen. It was such a bad way
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for it to end for Luke Williams. The game just
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got away from him. I was concerned by the team
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selection at the start. I thought that Jones
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and Kelly would be a really gutless midfield
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and they were. I was hoping that we'd see Ashfield
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in there from the start with Kelly maybe because
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he does bring a bit more presence. He just had
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nothing. Harrison Jones, I still stand by that.
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I think he's a very technically good footballer.
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And I think if he was playing in a system that
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was formulaic in the way that we built up, a
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bit like we were back in 23, 24, where the midfielders
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had a clear role when the ball came to them,
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they had two passes they could do. And it was
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just about executing those consistently. If he
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was playing in a system like that, Harrison Jones,
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I think potentially he'd be really, really good.
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I think he's got the technical ability for it.
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But when he's being asked to express himself.
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which is what Luke Williams is asking from his
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midfielders at the moment. When he's being asked
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to be really sort of creative and adapt on the
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fly and come up with ways to get out, it's just
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not working for him. He's not got the brains
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to do it at the moment, maybe. It doesn't feel
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like he can see the game in a way that an elite
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footballer can. they can see what's going to
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happen before it does. It feels like he's always
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reacting to stuff. And also I just, I think it's
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about sort of having the bravery to do it as
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well, because I think he's scared to play the
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passes. And it was just a scared performance
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from Posh yesterday. Everyone was terrified to
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make mistakes, which led to mistakes because
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we were trying to do the safe pass. We were trying
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to play the extra pass every time, but we've
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got players that aren't. you know, world beaters
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on the ball trying to do that. And so occasionally
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they are going to slip up, as we saw with Dave
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when he just hooked it into the path of one of
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their strikers. It was just, I could go through
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literally play by play the entire game, basically,
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and tear it apart for it being a poor tactical
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plan that was butchered by the players. But that's
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what it was yesterday. Well, let me expand on
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this idea of the being scared. Completely agree.
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The first point, where this became most obvious,
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and I don't mean this in a specific in the game,
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I just mean conceptually, it's the pace of passes.
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So you had the ball going from Dave to Feeney
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or Feeney to Dave and then just running with
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it and maybe one more touch and then maybe one
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more touch. And now I know I have the safest
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pass possible to CJ or the safest pass possible
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to Mills. What you need to be doing is first
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touch out of your feet straight away. Just as
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Fergie used to scream, quicker. By the time you
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have set everything so that your pass is guaranteed
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to hit your man, Doncaster have got three men
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ready to do the pincer. And that's exactly what
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happened to Mills in the moment that he received
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the ball, tried to get it up first time to Edwards.
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It didn't happen. Bubbles out and it leads to
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the first goal. On Jones as well, then the second
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element beyond being too slow, as you say, the...
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The lack of intelligence in the middle of the
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field. And frankly, I put this on Kelly as well.
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When you know that David or Feeney have taken
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an absolute age to get the ball out to the fullback,
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and now their options are limited, and Doncaster
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have already set to cut off the passing lanes,
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where are you as another option in the middle
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of the field that they can pass back into potentially?
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If they've set the trap, there will be more space
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in the middle, and there often was. But Jones
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or Kelly were just yards off it, were not an
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available outlet. I'm going to pull out a massive
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football cliche here, but there was a lack of
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willingness to take the game of the scruff of
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the neck from Jones or from Kelly. And you know
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what? As well, I don't think Jones was imprecise
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when he was on the ball. This is actually more
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aimed at Kelly. I cannot believe I'm talking
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about Liam Kelly, Mr. Direct, who the reason
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MK Dons got promoted last season, a part of it,
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was very effective direct football, which Kelly
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was absolutely essential for. Could not. get
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the ball within 10 yards of anybody when he was
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putting it over the top yesterday. Just watching
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them dribble out for goal kicks. I was absolutely
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shocked by the level of precision. And I know,
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fine, look, it was windy yesterday, but it was
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windy for both teams. Like, Doncaster managed
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to put balls over the top that worked. We just
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could not get it to land. I think that covers
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it. The element of being scared. is actually
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like it is easy to break through this is why
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i'm i'm more optimistic than the other guys are
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about a new manager bounce is that the number
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of opportunities that will suddenly appear on
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the pitch if you just pass a bit quicker will
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surprise them and then with every one of those
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new opportunities You complete one of those opportunities
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and then there's another round of new opportunities.
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It's a virtuous cycle if you're able to play
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at a higher tempo, which is what you need in
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a high passing system unless you're able to dribble
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round players. Then you can be a bit slower because
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you're trying to pull them out of position. You
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do what Jimmy J. Morgan used to do. You break
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around the press and then you've got space in
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front of you. Unlikely to ever be us. I don't
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expect nor... even desire Harrison Jones or Liam
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Kelly to try and take five touches to get round
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the man marking them. What I do expect is that
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they're a bit more dynamic in the middle of the
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field in where they position themselves and everyone
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is quicker with their passes in the new managerial
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reign when it comes. Yeah, I actually am quite
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optimistic of a new manager bounce because I
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genuinely think whoever comes in is going to
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really simplify football for all of the players
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and do exactly what Williams did last year, where
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actually, it's just gone, it's just gone sail,
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hasn't it? Like the same patterns of play aren't
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working. Teams have figured out what Luke Williams
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wants to do. And the reason he was, his football
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was so effective at like Knox County, for example,
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is because the footballers were just so much
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better than the players they were playing against
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in the National League. So even though it was
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formulaic and teams knew what you were going
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to try and do. they couldn't do anything about
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it because they've still got to, you know, beat
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Macaulay Langstaff in the air, for example, or
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they've still got to try and stop Jodie Jones
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when he's running at full pelt down the wing.
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They've still got to break down a midfield, which
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has Crowley in it, who was brilliant for MK Dons
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last week. And you just, we don't have that level
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of player relative to the level. Like I'm not
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saying that we don't have. a macaulay langstaff
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level striker because we do but relative to to
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league one level we just don't have anywhere
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near as good a squad as luke williams had at
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knox county and it's it's just that's how it
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is and unfortunately i think he tried to simplify
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football for them yesterday he tried to make
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it listen we're just gonna play where if you've
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got an option pass it short if not we'll play
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long and we've got two strikers up there and
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hopefully they'll win something in the air. And
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it was, you know, it's not optimistic from, it's
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not ambitious from Luke Williams because it's
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a very boring way to play football. But I think
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if Leonard and Ormerod had won a few more headers
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and if Edwards had had a bit more in product,
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then it could have been an effective tactical
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plan for yesterday, but it's never going to lead
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to long -term success playing that way. And yeah,
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I think the more you sort of dive into the game.
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You can put it on the players, but it's also
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massively on the manager because he has to get
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more out of this group. I am really concerned,
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moving on, that we are so reliant on a 17 -year
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-old. Boli Shofuoke literally felt like the plan
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yesterday was just get the ball to him. And if
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he can beat five of their players, then great,
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and we're in. And if he can't, then we'll all,
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you know, wave our hands around at him. blame
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him as if he's done something wrong which is
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what a lot of the players were doing yesterday
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and it's like he's being asked to play full 90s
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he plays in a very explosive position he's a
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kid and it's like how much do you want from the
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guy and we Ethan Williams we've signed him for
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750 grand apparently something like that a big
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fee who was a player that apparently we chased
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all summer and He wasn't started yesterday. He
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was only brought on later on and was very ineffective.
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Feels like we've wasted a lot of these signings
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this summer. You know, Ormrod and Leonard playing
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up front together. Worked on Tuesday. I liked
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it on Tuesday. I don't know if it's a sustainable
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long -term plan because you need four strikers
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to play that way. You know, you can't have them
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both doing full 90s and you can't change the
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picture if you're going to have, you know, to
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play with a system with two strikers. We've got
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no other strikers at the football club. Although
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they'll probably be told that, you know, Williams
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can play across the front three and so can a
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Warwick Edwards and stuff. But still, it's just
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I don't. The thing is, I look back at the game
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and I don't know what I would have changed if
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I was Luke Williams during the game. I genuinely.
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Don't know what the tactical fixes were yesterday.
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Doncaster had our numbers. The players were scared.
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It was just a really tense affair. But I just
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think yesterday was just a build -up of not having
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a clear identity of play, not having players
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that feel that they can express themselves or
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are good enough to express themselves in any
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meaningful way. relying on a couple of really
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good individuals to carry us through. We're basically
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relying on Liam Kelly, Harry Leonard, Alex Bass,
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Harley Mills, maybe in this category too. But
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we're relying on these players to have like nine
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out of 10 games, aren't we? Every week. And them
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to carry us through. And then the other players
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around them just do their jobs. And when Harry
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Leonard was off it yesterday, which he was. And
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you could see that by how frustrated he got at
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the end where he snapped at that Doncaster player.
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When those players are off it, we're screwed.
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And that's not a sustainable way to run a football
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club. That's not a sustainable recruitment model
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to have. And yeah, it's just really frustrating.
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I don't see where we go from here. Well, I was
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with you until right at the end. As I say, I
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remain optimistic. Where do we go from here?
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I think that everyone just raises their standards
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because no one was doing what they're capable
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of yesterday. Except for, as I say, I think Bolu
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kept his endeavour up all the way to the end.
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He still, and this is not a slight, he is 17.
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He shouldn't be playing for 90 minutes. And his
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dribbling round players stopped working around
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about the 75th minute. He did just start getting
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tackled. perfectly acceptable in my opinion given
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how much effort he put in before then let's come
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back to bollo in a moment because i actually
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do want to give some praise to him where do we
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go from here we go we go somewhere where cj for
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all his great leadership talent has to make sure
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that he's a bit more intelligent in our own box
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when a ball is coming across and he can see the
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man behind him and he still chooses to overcommit
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and buy it and go into the six -yard box rather
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than hold the run just like the guy behind him
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has, which is why he was then stuck in no man's
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.220
land with Alfie May there on the penalty spot
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:15.259
to shoot. That was so frustrating. CJ puts in
00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:17.220
bags of effort. And for what it's worth, all
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:20.180
the comments just had about commitment levels
00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:23.680
and putting in the hard yards. I don't apply
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:27.200
that to CJ yesterday. But the defensive side
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.359
needed work yesterday as well. And I think he
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.079
is capable of it, but he's got to switch on.
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:35.940
We had the second goal against Blackpool where
00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:37.960
he switched off. We've had this first goal against
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:42.660
Doncaster where he switched off. I think he has
00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:45.220
it in his locker to improve on these levels.
00:26:45.339 --> 00:26:49.380
He just needs to work a bit harder off the ball,
00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:53.240
or rather the stuff that isn't 1v1. Because when
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.339
he's 1v1, it still works pretty well. There was
00:26:55.339 --> 00:26:57.019
occasion where he did need a bit more help yesterday,
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.700
but ultimately there wasn't a breakthrough or
00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:04.240
a winger getting in behind him at any point yesterday,
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:07.640
as far as I can remember. Unlike Dave for the
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.900
second goal, my goodness. For now, and I know
00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:15.579
Dave is still young, he needs to be dropped for
00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:18.619
the time being. That second goal to be turned
00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:22.480
like that at this level is unacceptable. Maybe
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.539
of all the four out of tens I gave yesterday,
00:27:24.619 --> 00:27:26.559
he was the one closest to a score that was lower
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:31.359
than that because it is just Sunday league failing
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.779
to shepherd your man out for a throw -in like
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:36.440
that and him just bursting past you and making
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.240
the job as hard as possible for the men in the
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:43.410
middle after that. Goodness gracious me. Dave
00:27:43.410 --> 00:27:46.190
also, of course, had the ball once again, just
00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:47.430
like he had against Sheffield Wednesday, where
00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:49.089
he sprayed it across the middle of the pitch
00:27:49.089 --> 00:27:50.589
and it went to a Sheffield Wednesday player.
00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:52.890
He had a ball sprayed across the middle of the
00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:54.349
pitch that went straight to a Doncaster player
00:27:54.349 --> 00:27:57.349
in our own third. How have we made the same mistake
00:27:57.349 --> 00:28:02.470
twice here? Just make the simple passes quicker
00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:06.829
is the ask for him, for Feeney, for Mills, CJ.
00:28:09.370 --> 00:28:11.930
Jones and Kelly need to get over quicker. I've
00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.069
made that point already. Can I, did you want
00:28:15.069 --> 00:28:16.670
to say anything else on the defenders? I just
00:28:16.670 --> 00:28:19.190
want to ask you quickly, who are you dropping
00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:22.569
Dave for? Who am I dropping Dave for? I don't
00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:24.990
know. Mendonga at this point. I don't know, Charlie.
00:28:25.369 --> 00:28:28.150
I don't know. But this is the point, isn't it?
00:28:28.170 --> 00:28:31.490
We haven't got like, you take away Dave, you
00:28:31.490 --> 00:28:34.730
take away Feeney, like you drop, you try and
00:28:34.730 --> 00:28:37.029
drop one of them and it is Mendonga or it's.
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:40.700
who's like 16. That is the fit centre -backs
00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:43.299
at the club right now. Is Mendonca much better
00:28:43.299 --> 00:28:46.119
than Dave? I don't know. Would he still get ragdolled
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.819
by big physical League One players? Probably.
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.220
We don't know from Luka Mendonca because he's
00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:55.259
an academy player. He's not a regular first -team
00:28:55.259 --> 00:29:00.579
footballer at the moment. This is where it comes
00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:02.640
back to Dara, is that we've put together a squad
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.690
in League One with... are two starting center
00:29:06.690 --> 00:29:09.569
backs one of them has been injured for over a
00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:12.230
year and the other one has spent the majority
00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:15.529
of the last year injured and is known for being
00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:19.490
injury prone and we've and Lo and behold, a month
00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:21.569
into the season and they're both injured. And
00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:24.069
we're acting like this is a big shock. It's not.
00:29:24.589 --> 00:29:26.609
This is exactly what was always going to happen.
00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:29.150
So I agree Dave's performance was pretty unacceptable
00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:31.529
yesterday. I think he was terrible. I gave him
00:29:31.529 --> 00:29:34.109
a three, I think, in the player rating. So people
00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:36.190
that say, you know, oh, Charlie, you just will
00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:38.630
never say anything bad about Dave. He was shocking
00:29:38.630 --> 00:29:41.769
yesterday. He had a very, very bad game. But
00:29:41.769 --> 00:29:44.269
also he's young and he should be able to be taken
00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:48.119
out of the team. He can't be because him and
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.599
Feeney are the only senior centre -backs we have.
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.299
It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I don't have anything
00:29:55.299 --> 00:29:58.180
else to say on it. You're right. We took a gamble
00:29:58.180 --> 00:30:01.480
with Tom O 'Connor in that sense. I think he's
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.819
still a very good player when he's fit. It's
00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:05.420
disappointing that he is injured at the minute.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.000
You're right, there is very minimal behind Dave.
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.960
We'll see on Tuesday, I suppose, when Ryan Harley's
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.240
Barmy Army faces Cole Yew. What was I going to
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.460
say? Oh, yeah. Can we get to a positive? Can
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:24.819
we talk about Bolu? There was that moment in
00:30:24.819 --> 00:30:28.339
the first half. I think it was three players
00:30:28.339 --> 00:30:31.059
that were around him and he shimmied out of it.
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:33.599
That was incredible. I haven't seen the highlight
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.200
back, but I remember just thinking that was some
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.579
of the best skill I've seen here since probably,
00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:41.480
I don't know, I'm trying to think, maybe Sariki
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.880
Dembele. It was delightful. What I want to see
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:53.440
with Bolu, I think now he should be, he's doing
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.180
the right, he's clearly been coached, cut the
00:30:55.180 --> 00:30:57.460
ball across, see if he can get Leonard or Omrod
00:30:57.460 --> 00:31:00.839
to finish it. Try and introduce a bit of selfishness
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.700
to your game. There was a moment in the first
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.680
half where he passed it off to the centre of
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.400
the penalty box, where he himself could have
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.119
taken two or more, two or three more touches
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.559
that could have set himself up for a shot. And
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.779
he probably should have done that. I can't remember
00:31:17.779 --> 00:31:21.380
the last time after completing one of these jinxing
00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:24.339
runs, he's actually ended it in a shot. And I
00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:26.000
think he's at a point now where he should at
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.579
least try it. Don't be afraid to. Not least as
00:31:28.579 --> 00:31:30.480
well, because if it bounces back out, that actually
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.380
gives a good opportunity for Leonard to be the
00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:34.420
poacher, fox in the box, to finish it off if
00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:40.599
it does get saved. I already mentioned it. We
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.779
shouldn't have Bollew out there for 90 minutes
00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:46.359
ever. Really, not right now. One, because of
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.519
preservation, 17 -year -olds being exposed to
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.980
90 minutes again and again can have big damaging
00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:55.339
effects later, particularly on soft muscle injuries.
00:31:55.400 --> 00:32:01.359
See Saka, for example. And also just the fact
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.579
that he doesn't, you know, I don't mean this
00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:07.470
in an overly negative way. Because he fades towards
00:32:07.470 --> 00:32:08.890
the last 15 minutes, he doesn't deserve to be
00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:10.670
out there for 90 minutes either. I meant to see
00:32:10.670 --> 00:32:12.670
a 90 -minute performance from Bolu. Not that
00:32:12.670 --> 00:32:16.289
I'm expecting one. We had Ethan Williams on the
00:32:16.289 --> 00:32:18.849
bench. I know Massara's injured, but personally,
00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:21.849
Edwards is the 25 -year -old on the side. I'd
00:32:21.849 --> 00:32:28.049
have brought Bolu off for Williams yesterday,
00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:31.029
personally, rather than Edwards. I just left
00:32:31.029 --> 00:32:33.089
Edwards out there for the full 90. I don't know
00:32:33.089 --> 00:32:36.390
if you agree with that. yeah i agree um i think
00:32:36.390 --> 00:32:39.230
edwards to be fair the thing with bolu is like
00:32:39.230 --> 00:32:42.470
you say he's not a 90 minute player now i genuinely
00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:44.269
don't think he's ever going to be a 90 minute
00:32:44.269 --> 00:32:47.430
player in his career because so much of his play
00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.809
unless he completely changes his game and adds
00:32:49.809 --> 00:32:52.990
like a crazy amount of quality with that crossing
00:32:52.990 --> 00:32:54.470
and stuff which i don't think he's ever going
00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:57.410
to do his play style is so dependent on being
00:32:57.410 --> 00:33:00.930
explosive that when that fades after 70 minutes
00:33:00.930 --> 00:33:05.000
and you know, you can't do it anymore. He does
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.339
become much less effective in a game. And I don't
00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:10.079
think that's ever going to change. So it's crazy
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.259
that we left him on. I agree. Just leave Edwards
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:17.339
on. Or even like when we brought Chris Conn -Clark
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:20.500
on, like take Bolu off then. We were never going
00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:22.119
to get back into the game. And it's like, you've
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.140
just made him stay out there and tire himself
00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:27.059
out more. Bolu should still be playing some under
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:30.170
21s football. an ideal world, in my opinion,
00:33:30.309 --> 00:33:32.349
that I would not have him playing first team
00:33:32.349 --> 00:33:33.910
football all the time at the moment. I mean,
00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:35.369
it's great for him that he is, don't get me wrong,
00:33:35.490 --> 00:33:37.890
but I think it would be great to be able to put
00:33:37.890 --> 00:33:40.230
him in the team, take him out of the team, you
00:33:40.230 --> 00:33:43.670
know, do like what we did with Saikat last year,
00:33:43.730 --> 00:33:45.789
who's completely fallen off the face of the earth
00:33:45.789 --> 00:33:47.930
now. But, you know, what we were doing with Saikat
00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:51.160
at the end of last season. It's a lot of pressure
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.160
to put on his shoulders. I hope Massara is back
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.059
soon. We don't actually know anything about that
00:33:55.059 --> 00:33:58.000
injury. We were just told, like, he had a big
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.079
contact at Watford and he went off. And then
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.940
we were just told, oh, yeah, he's a bit sore
00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:04.720
from it. It was a heavy, heavy blow, but he'll
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.119
be back soon. And he's just gone. Never to be
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.699
seen again. But do you know that he was named
00:34:10.699 --> 00:34:16.210
in Zimbabwe's under 23s yesterday? Was he? Yeah,
00:34:16.289 --> 00:34:18.750
I think he's under 23s or under 21s, I forget.
00:34:19.070 --> 00:34:21.989
But he has been chosen for his national side,
00:34:22.090 --> 00:34:23.769
so he must be fit enough to at least play some
00:34:23.769 --> 00:34:27.150
minutes. Wow. Hopefully he can play some minutes
00:34:27.150 --> 00:34:28.750
for Peterborough United. I've had enough of players
00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:30.449
playing for their national teams and not for
00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:34.170
Bosch. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, I don't know
00:34:34.170 --> 00:34:37.710
if we want to go there yet. Maybe, yeah. It'd
00:34:37.710 --> 00:34:39.070
be nice to have a little segment at the end of
00:34:39.070 --> 00:34:42.449
this where we talk about what might be different
00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:44.730
from a personnel side for a new manager, because
00:34:44.730 --> 00:34:48.210
players like O 'Connor and Garbutt coming back.
00:34:48.730 --> 00:34:52.630
Maybe even Frith, who knows? But before we get
00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:55.090
there, one player we haven't talked about, Alex
00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:59.250
Bass. For me, what was so frustrating yesterday
00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:03.570
was getting the ball, you have two men breaking
00:35:03.570 --> 00:35:05.809
out, and I'm not going to pretend there was any
00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:09.809
crazily clear -cut opportunities to kick it over
00:35:09.809 --> 00:35:11.690
the top that Bass missed. They were going to
00:35:11.690 --> 00:35:15.849
be contested once he kicked it. But because they
00:35:15.849 --> 00:35:18.230
were contested, he basically went, no, not kicking
00:35:18.230 --> 00:35:21.349
it. Held onto it for the full eight seconds or
00:35:21.349 --> 00:35:22.670
whatever the allotted amount of time he has,
00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:25.170
more or less, and then either rolled it out or
00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:28.730
on occasion did kick it anyway. I appreciated
00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:32.030
that he was decisive when there was danger coming
00:35:32.030 --> 00:35:34.449
and he just booted it away. I thought that was
00:35:34.449 --> 00:35:36.110
the right call every time. I didn't need him
00:35:36.110 --> 00:35:38.550
to necessarily be... precisely in those moments
00:35:38.550 --> 00:35:41.090
when he's getting charged down by Alfie May or
00:35:41.090 --> 00:35:43.690
whoever but what was so frustrating is the ball
00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:47.309
got in his hands multiple times yesterday and
00:35:47.309 --> 00:35:50.750
every potential long ball kick to break quickly
00:35:50.750 --> 00:35:54.369
given the pace of Bolo and Edwards just wasn't
00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.630
taken is that fear going back to our point about
00:35:57.630 --> 00:35:59.309
being scared is that fear of making a mistake
00:35:59.309 --> 00:36:01.750
I don't know made one really good save in the
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.599
second half I think and neither goal was his
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.480
fault so it's just a the stuff I'm criticising
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.099
for is all the creative stuff really rather than
00:36:12.099 --> 00:36:14.739
the shot stopping yeah the only thing I would
00:36:14.739 --> 00:36:17.480
say on that about Bass is like when he didn't
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.980
kick it long and didn't kick it for Bollywood
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:23.460
and Edwards there was no reaction from anybody
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:27.230
on the pitch or anybody in the dugout that suggested
00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:29.849
frustration at that you know that suggested he
00:36:29.849 --> 00:36:33.090
was going against the plan if anything the reaction
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:35.210
from Williams to that and the reaction from the
00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:37.289
players around Bass which was all like just calm
00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:39.909
down just chill seemed a little bit to me like
00:36:39.909 --> 00:36:43.050
it was a tactic not to kick it and not to instantly
00:36:43.050 --> 00:36:45.150
snatch it and try and play it over the top and
00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:48.750
potentially lose the ball of course the what
00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.409
you'd say to that in return though is well we
00:36:51.409 --> 00:36:53.730
would kick it long ultimately and lose the ball
00:36:53.730 --> 00:36:56.190
anyway so what's the point like what's the benefit
00:36:56.190 --> 00:36:58.489
of doing it 10 seconds later when they're in
00:36:58.489 --> 00:37:00.289
their shape and that's probably a fair comment
00:37:00.289 --> 00:37:03.070
um the only thing you could say is that we were
00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:05.449
also in our shape in that situation so we couldn't
00:37:05.449 --> 00:37:07.730
be caught caught out of shape like we were against
00:37:07.730 --> 00:37:10.269
barnes a few times it just felt like really really
00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:14.010
cautious stuff from bass um which matches exactly
00:37:14.010 --> 00:37:15.829
what we've said about every other player on the
00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:18.230
pitch they were overly cautious the tactical
00:37:18.230 --> 00:37:21.519
setup was not creative was not attacking enough
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.940
and yeah it was just a really really limp performance
00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:27.960
creatively from Bass because I don't think he
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.119
was empowered in the system to do much else I'd
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.639
say the other player that we probably haven't
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:37.960
spoken about is Feeney and I think he is lucky
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.559
that Dave was such a calamity next to him yesterday
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.519
because I think he had a pretty poor game as
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.460
well kept getting beasted by Hanlon who is not
00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:48.000
a good player he's a donkey and he kept getting
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.269
absolutely you know ragdolled by him constantly
00:37:51.269 --> 00:37:53.769
and listen he's a big lad Hanlon but you need
00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:55.809
to handy yourself better than than that as a
00:37:55.809 --> 00:37:58.730
league one centre -back and I hated that I could
00:37:58.730 --> 00:38:01.409
look down and see that Hanlon was occupying both
00:38:01.409 --> 00:38:04.690
Dave and Feeney and sometimes winning the ball
00:38:04.690 --> 00:38:07.210
in those situations like he'd be holding Feeney
00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:09.869
would be holding him he'd shrug him off Dave
00:38:09.869 --> 00:38:11.570
would then be going up for the header and then
00:38:11.570 --> 00:38:13.469
Hanlon would snatch in front of Dave and win
00:38:13.469 --> 00:38:15.630
the ball. And it was like, you cannot do that.
00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:18.130
You simply have to defend better. And you have
00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:21.630
to be more physically dominant than that to be
00:38:21.630 --> 00:38:23.929
a league one centre half. And I'm not going to
00:38:23.929 --> 00:38:25.610
bat a Feeney because I actually think he's done
00:38:25.610 --> 00:38:28.769
really well for us in signing. So I'm not, yeah,
00:38:28.809 --> 00:38:31.469
I'm not going to slag him off too much. He's
00:38:31.469 --> 00:38:34.210
been a very good addition on loan. Hopefully,
00:38:34.449 --> 00:38:36.449
well, actually, I was going to say, hopefully
00:38:36.449 --> 00:38:39.269
this international break, he'll get to... He'll
00:38:39.269 --> 00:38:41.590
get to learn the style of play a bit more. But
00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:43.730
he's gone, isn't he? He's going to play with
00:38:43.730 --> 00:38:45.690
Scotland. So he's not going to have the benefit
00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:48.510
of the international break. But maybe it'll just
00:38:48.510 --> 00:38:50.550
be a chance for him to reset a little bit. He's
00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:52.309
played a lot of football since joining us. And
00:38:52.309 --> 00:38:55.769
yeah, it'll be good to see a potentially more
00:38:55.769 --> 00:38:58.309
refreshed Feeney after the international break.
00:39:00.389 --> 00:39:03.210
One thing I think, speaking more generally about
00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:08.769
Feeney, is that he is... He's not just... another
00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:11.369
version of tom o 'connor he actually he doesn't
00:39:11.369 --> 00:39:13.469
really dribble out of the defense at all the
00:39:13.469 --> 00:39:18.550
the great extra tactical element that tom o 'connor
00:39:18.550 --> 00:39:21.309
provides you is that you can carry the ball forward
00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:25.369
break a press and then pass from there feeney
00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:28.849
is actually just your regular center back can
00:39:28.849 --> 00:39:31.610
make the simple pass as well can position himself
00:39:31.610 --> 00:39:36.139
pretty well heads it away pretty well I can understand
00:39:36.139 --> 00:39:38.059
why Huddersfield fans came away saying, yeah,
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.480
he was all right. And you know what? For what
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:41.880
it's worth, I actually think Feeney has the potential
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.780
to be good, like potentially even championship
00:39:44.780 --> 00:39:47.579
good. He's still young, and I'm not seeing him
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:50.840
make major mistakes. I think his decision -making
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.960
is pretty strong. But I actually, I hoped, maybe
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.440
misplaced hope, that he'd be good at breaking
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.639
the line through dribbling. And what you actually
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.659
see is that when he is charged down, he turns
00:40:04.659 --> 00:40:07.719
his... Turns his back, faces his own goalkeeper,
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.300
passes it. And you know what? That is what it
00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:14.099
is. It's safe enough. But if you haven't got
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:17.099
anyone available as a new manager coming in,
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.639
and maybe we can now segue into this about what
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:24.679
comes next from here. If you have only got Dave
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:30.360
and Feeney and Mendonca available, a passer on
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.710
the back system is... Not going to work, really,
00:40:34.789 --> 00:40:37.889
against most teams because the whole reason you
00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.050
pass around the back is to draw out the first
00:40:40.050 --> 00:40:43.250
line of attackers and then utilize the space
00:40:43.250 --> 00:40:47.969
that they've just vacated, basically. Most of
00:40:47.969 --> 00:40:50.150
the way you get that to work is by dribbling
00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:53.150
around them or very incisive passes into midfield.
00:40:53.989 --> 00:40:56.130
Dave can't do that, nor should we expect him
00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:58.369
to. Feeney's shown no evidence that he can do
00:40:58.369 --> 00:41:01.449
that, nor should we expect him to. O 'Connor
00:41:01.449 --> 00:41:05.329
can and can really quite well, but how often
00:41:05.329 --> 00:41:07.730
is he going to be on the pitch? I think as we're
00:41:07.730 --> 00:41:09.349
selecting a new manager, we've got to think about
00:41:09.349 --> 00:41:13.030
ones that are capable of playing a bit less of
00:41:13.030 --> 00:41:16.630
the nice round -the -back work and actually put
00:41:16.630 --> 00:41:20.030
a bit more on the midfield to do the creative
00:41:20.030 --> 00:41:22.230
stuff and create the space. I don't know if you
00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:26.170
agree with that. Yeah, I think the midfield in
00:41:26.170 --> 00:41:28.710
this team... should do a lot more of a heavy
00:41:28.710 --> 00:41:31.710
lifting than it does um feels like the midfield
00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:35.489
it's like selective when it's involved in the
00:41:35.489 --> 00:41:39.230
game like whereas actually we have so many midfielders
00:41:39.230 --> 00:41:42.530
club now like we really did pack out that area
00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:44.349
of the pitch we have lots of options in there
00:41:44.349 --> 00:41:50.670
kelly jones keller woods ashfield garbert when
00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:52.929
he comes back even if you look beyond that you
00:41:52.929 --> 00:41:55.949
know psychic con clark Donny O 'Brien, Brady's
00:41:55.949 --> 00:41:58.949
still in the building. So we have loads of options
00:41:58.949 --> 00:42:01.710
in midfield and it has to do more of the heavy
00:42:01.710 --> 00:42:04.929
lifting. And of course, I'd love Feeney to be
00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:06.889
that cultured centre -back who is going to make
00:42:06.889 --> 00:42:09.190
those big runs through the centre of the pitch.
00:42:09.409 --> 00:42:12.829
But at the end of the day, we just want him to
00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:14.789
do the basics at the moment and he's doing them
00:42:14.789 --> 00:42:18.989
well. And Kelly has to give me more. But also,
00:42:19.050 --> 00:42:22.630
Kelly's brought into... play in a team where
00:42:22.630 --> 00:42:25.829
he can sort of be the metronome and he can help
00:42:25.829 --> 00:42:27.789
the team tick and go and help a little bit over
00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:30.429
here and then drop in and sit back and sort of
00:42:30.429 --> 00:42:33.250
select his involvement in the game based on how
00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:35.010
much he thinks he needs to do it sometimes he'll
00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:37.309
get really on top of it sometimes he'll sit back
00:42:37.309 --> 00:42:39.949
and he's the orchestrator the problem is like
00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:42.610
we just don't have you know he's a metronome
00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:44.710
but there's no music on at the moment like there's
00:42:44.710 --> 00:42:47.070
nothing nothing no beat for him to play yeah
00:42:47.070 --> 00:42:52.670
nice Nice, Charlie. Yeah, there's nothing, nothing
00:42:52.670 --> 00:42:56.829
at all. It's, yeah, it's pointless for him to
00:42:56.829 --> 00:42:58.550
even try and do that. So I'd love to see him
00:42:58.550 --> 00:43:00.650
just getting more involved, you know, taking
00:43:00.650 --> 00:43:02.510
it more on his shoulders, which I think he did
00:43:02.510 --> 00:43:05.409
yesterday, to be fair, a little bit, with taking
00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:09.150
the ball and kicking it long. It was just so
00:43:09.150 --> 00:43:12.670
bad. It was so bad. I'm past the point of frustration
00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:16.650
with it. There was a very angry man sat in front
00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:18.289
of us at the game yesterday and he was shouting
00:43:18.289 --> 00:43:23.150
a lot. And he was honestly probably what I would
00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:27.110
have been like if we'd done that performance
00:43:27.110 --> 00:43:31.630
a couple of months ago, end of last season, earlier
00:43:31.630 --> 00:43:34.670
on in the season. But it's worn us down, Luke
00:43:34.670 --> 00:43:38.019
Williams. this Peterborough United side and Darren
00:43:38.019 --> 00:43:40.960
McAntony as well has worn me down and it's at
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.960
the point now where I think it's going to take
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.380
a while to regain the trust of posh fans because
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:49.940
it's just so frustrating like we're expecting
00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:54.239
this guy that we've loaned in a kid like Feeney
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.559
who's very young to be a real big creative outlet
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.000
for us when actually we've got the best striker
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.150
in League One who he's probably not he's not
00:44:04.150 --> 00:44:07.610
done anything for ages we've got about three
00:44:07.610 --> 00:44:09.949
midfielders who've been told of absolute creative
00:44:09.949 --> 00:44:12.590
units and are going to be great for ball retention
00:44:12.590 --> 00:44:14.969
and great when we're in possession that aren't
00:44:14.969 --> 00:44:18.630
doing anything we've got wingers that beat their
00:44:18.630 --> 00:44:20.769
man every time they get the ball and yet we're
00:44:20.769 --> 00:44:22.409
not getting them the ball anywhere near enough
00:44:22.409 --> 00:44:26.909
and it's like I don't know I feel like I'm it's
00:44:26.909 --> 00:44:28.869
just groundhog day with Peterborough United at
00:44:28.869 --> 00:44:31.539
the moment like you watch it and I heard Ash
00:44:31.539 --> 00:44:34.860
had his little crash out at the end of the live
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:39.440
last night. And I was just listening to it. It
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.059
was hilarious. It was very, very good from Ash.
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.840
I think it summed up exactly what we were thinking.
00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:51.340
But he's right. Like, we're just not good. We
00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:53.400
aren't good. And we're not going to be good this
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.079
season. And so we can talk about little adjustments
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:58.900
that we do here and there. And that's our job.
00:44:59.550 --> 00:45:01.929
But also we do just have to accept that most
00:45:01.929 --> 00:45:04.030
of the time when we put 11 players out on a football
00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:07.489
pitch with this current squad, the 11 players
00:45:07.489 --> 00:45:09.130
that the opposition put out are going to be a
00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:10.849
better group of players and we're going to be
00:45:10.849 --> 00:45:13.230
the worst team on paper. And that's worrying.
00:45:13.389 --> 00:45:15.869
But yeah, we'll see. But we would have been top
00:45:15.869 --> 00:45:17.929
four if we had Sam Hughes and Tom O 'Connor fit
00:45:17.929 --> 00:45:21.210
all season. So that's positive. Yeah, well, I
00:45:21.210 --> 00:45:24.769
did mention that on the live last night, I don't
00:45:24.769 --> 00:45:26.929
want to repeat it too much, but you've just referenced
00:45:26.929 --> 00:45:29.519
the whole. recent comment about being top four.
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.639
I generally don't like to criticise Darragh because
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:36.820
I think he's got so much credit in the bank.
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.880
But I do think messaging -wise right now, let's
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.579
just all reset and recognise what we have on
00:45:43.579 --> 00:45:46.880
our cards here, which is the worst and riskiest
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.219
relegation battle of the three so far. This feels
00:45:50.219 --> 00:45:53.280
worse. than last year's one. And we had fewer
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.239
points at this stage last year than we do now.
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.980
And the reason this one feels worse is primarily
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:01.599
because of the defensive injury issues, but also
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.840
just because of the fear. There is a different
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:08.300
kind of fear among this group that I didn't see
00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:12.440
last time. And if you reset the expectations
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.440
for a manager who comes in, which is get some
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.900
belief back in these players, and all they need
00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:20.769
to do... is steer us away from the relegation
00:46:20.769 --> 00:46:24.230
zone they do not need to be getting bollocked
00:46:24.230 --> 00:46:28.369
for failing to be i don't know steven edge at
00:46:28.369 --> 00:46:31.690
home let's say if the messaging had been we need
00:46:31.690 --> 00:46:34.010
to stay up this year and we're going to build
00:46:34.010 --> 00:46:37.650
towards something later as i also said last night
00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:38.969
there's a chance that luke williams would still
00:46:38.969 --> 00:46:41.389
be here because the expectations would have been
00:46:41.389 --> 00:46:44.639
a lot lower and A 0 -0 at Stevenage at home might
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.400
have been a progression towards staying up rather
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.079
than a miss from the expectations of top six
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.739
or now top four if we're potentially bringing
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:57.380
that into the equation. I hope that the new manager
00:46:57.380 --> 00:47:01.000
comes in, recognises that this isn't that great
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.449
of a squad, but also there is still hope. And
00:47:05.449 --> 00:47:08.590
I think that there is several tactical paths
00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:10.110
that we have ahead of us, not least because of
00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:12.369
the depth of the midfield, that mean that we
00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:14.929
can cause problems in most games that we play.
00:47:16.730 --> 00:47:19.530
It'll get easier once Garber is back. Let's see
00:47:19.530 --> 00:47:21.929
if we keep him beyond January. It'll be easier
00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.010
when Tom O 'Connor's back. Let's see if he can
00:47:24.010 --> 00:47:29.210
stay fit for any longer than a few games. As
00:47:29.210 --> 00:47:33.429
we select the new manager, I just hope that...
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.400
What do we do if they only win one out of their
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.500
first six games, for example? Are we going to
00:47:40.500 --> 00:47:42.639
be on the verge of sacking them again as well?
00:47:42.860 --> 00:47:45.739
Or are we going to be, if it's one win and two
00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:47.679
draws or three draws out of those six, are we
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.260
going to recognise that's actually a bit of progress
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:53.820
towards staying up potentially? Saying that we
00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:57.519
should be aiming for top six and that we would
00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.900
be top four if our first two centre -backs were
00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:03.099
fit. I don't think it's conducive to that kind
00:48:03.099 --> 00:48:05.559
of message of we just need to survive right now.
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.719
Yeah, I actually do want to comment on this because
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.579
I don't have a chance to speak on it, but Dara
00:48:10.579 --> 00:48:13.360
sort of spoke about the whole expectations thing,
00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:15.320
didn't he, in the podcast? And he basically said,
00:48:15.460 --> 00:48:18.579
what do my fans want from me? Would they rather
00:48:18.579 --> 00:48:21.400
I just say, oh, I hope we stay up by the skin
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.099
of our teeth this year and I've built a squad
00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:28.409
to do that. I think my problem with... with what
00:48:28.409 --> 00:48:30.570
dara does with the expectations and the way he
00:48:30.570 --> 00:48:33.510
sets expectations is rather than saying oh i'd
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:36.050
love it if we got top six this season or i'd
00:48:36.050 --> 00:48:37.849
love it if this squad did something special and
00:48:37.849 --> 00:48:41.389
we got top six he goes i think i've built a top
00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:43.610
six squad or i think this squad should challenge
00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:46.050
for the top six we'll be in he always says that
00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:48.210
line he'll be like we'll we'll be up there we'll
00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:50.789
be we'll be we'll be up there for sure and it's
00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:53.289
like there's a difference between i'd love this
00:48:53.289 --> 00:48:56.769
and i have given my manager the tools to do this
00:48:56.769 --> 00:49:00.480
and I think he's, the first part is great. That
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.659
I'd love to be top six. Wouldn't we all? Every
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:06.579
owner of a football club wants that for their
00:49:06.579 --> 00:49:08.800
football club. They want to be successful. And
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.780
I certainly wouldn't want Dara to have a lack
00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:14.519
of optimism or a lack of ambition. But it's the
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.519
whole, I've built a top six side. We need to
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.519
start winning games. This group of players is
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.619
much better than the results. And I think you're
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:25.440
right that, okay, look at the games we've played.
00:49:26.409 --> 00:49:29.230
Blackpool, Bradford away. Reset the expectations.
00:49:29.289 --> 00:49:32.389
Instead of being a top six side, imagine we are
00:49:32.389 --> 00:49:34.730
a side that's just going to stay up. And Bradford
00:49:34.730 --> 00:49:36.789
away, you don't expect to get anything there.
00:49:37.010 --> 00:49:39.090
Top of the league right now. Yeah, you don't
00:49:39.090 --> 00:49:41.090
expect to get anything there. Sheffield Wednesday
00:49:41.090 --> 00:49:43.510
at home, you probably don't expect to get anything
00:49:43.510 --> 00:49:46.150
there. You expect to beat Mansfield at home as
00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.030
a side that's going to try and just about stay
00:49:48.030 --> 00:49:51.110
up. You'd probably expect to beat Stevenage,
00:49:51.190 --> 00:49:54.070
but then they're a tough team and, you know,
00:49:54.070 --> 00:49:56.699
they... We'll not be in the relegation battle
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:59.519
this season, in my opinion. I think they'll be
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.900
clear of that. And then Doncaster is the first
00:50:02.900 --> 00:50:04.820
real game this season that I've looked at and
00:50:04.820 --> 00:50:07.480
thought, we've really underperformed what I'd
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.780
expect of a team that's just going to stay up
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:12.039
and what I'd expect of this squad. I expected
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.380
us to beat Doncaster. And I think any team that
00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:16.139
needs to stay up in the league needs to beat
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:20.579
Doncaster at home. If you reset those expectations,
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.739
Luke Williams has actually basically performed
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:27.300
up until yesterday to standard, to expectations
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:30.280
in the league, and then had a very good cup run
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:31.900
on top of it. And then you're looking at it and
00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:34.519
going, well, he's actually done a passable job
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:38.190
because we're doing it off top six. ambitions.
00:50:38.190 --> 00:50:40.110
You expect to go to Blackpool and get something.
00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:42.190
You maybe don't expect to get anything against
00:50:42.190 --> 00:50:44.650
Bradford. You expect to win all of your home
00:50:44.650 --> 00:50:46.670
games if you're a top six side. You go into Sheffield
00:50:46.670 --> 00:50:48.949
Wednesday home, you expect to win. You have to
00:50:48.949 --> 00:50:52.849
beat Stevenage. You have to beat Doncaster. It
00:50:52.849 --> 00:50:56.260
becomes, you know... so much more difficult to
00:50:56.260 --> 00:50:58.800
perform to an acceptable level. So I actually
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.079
think, and Luke Williams said he hopes that we
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.320
get top six as well. So I'm not blaming Dara
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.679
entirely for this because Luke Williams had a
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.780
part in setting these expectations and he could
00:51:07.780 --> 00:51:09.880
have changed the expectations and gone, listen,
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.239
you know, I love the chairman's ambition, but
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.340
let's just take it a step at a time, which would
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:17.440
have been a good indicator into the fact that
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.960
he doesn't feel like we've got a top six squad
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.800
without, I think, majorly pissing off Dara. But
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.170
he didn't do that. The irony was, Two points
00:51:25.170 --> 00:51:26.670
on what you've just raised. I'll start with the
00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:29.469
second one, the more recent one. So Williams
00:51:29.469 --> 00:51:33.510
was towing the line as hard as possible all summer
00:51:33.510 --> 00:51:37.190
until he then got to a point where he just completely
00:51:37.190 --> 00:51:41.050
blew open a rift and a chasm between him and
00:51:41.050 --> 00:51:43.849
Darragh as professionally as he could do by saying,
00:51:43.869 --> 00:51:45.670
well, I'm making other people happy by playing
00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:49.389
two up top. Even if it wasn't Darragh who implied
00:51:49.389 --> 00:51:51.210
that, but obviously Darragh's tweets afterwards
00:51:51.210 --> 00:51:55.289
suggested it was, that is just... So obviously
00:51:55.289 --> 00:51:59.429
suggesting a discontent and a parting in priorities
00:51:59.429 --> 00:52:01.989
between manager and owner that would have made
00:52:01.989 --> 00:52:05.050
his position pretty difficult to maintain anyway,
00:52:05.110 --> 00:52:08.429
even if we'd won yesterday. And then on top of
00:52:08.429 --> 00:52:12.070
that, I think that he's just gone and almost
00:52:12.070 --> 00:52:17.269
is petulantly the right word by playing Ormrod
00:52:17.269 --> 00:52:20.360
and Leonard. both for full 90 on a Tuesday night
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.639
and a Saturday night right giving you what you
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.980
want here's your two up top enjoy going well
00:52:24.980 --> 00:52:27.219
isn't it three goals shipped in one game two
00:52:27.219 --> 00:52:29.420
in the other straight through on penalties lost
00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:30.900
the bottom of the league at home we enjoying
00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:34.019
the two up top are we on top of the interviews
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:38.039
it just I think the relationship fell apart in
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.199
a way though that Luke Williams was never going
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:42.199
to come out and criticize Dara so he just did
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.860
everything but that And the consortium comment,
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:46.579
of course. You're never going to survive as a
00:52:46.579 --> 00:52:48.739
head coach if you're not willing to be part of
00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:52.000
a consortium. So the obvious implication is you
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.500
will get interference at this club from outside
00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:58.440
of your coaching staff. But of course, Luke Williams,
00:52:58.659 --> 00:53:01.940
it's over now. One other thing. No, two other
00:53:01.940 --> 00:53:04.539
things briefly on this, right? So one is I think
00:53:04.539 --> 00:53:07.860
we win yesterday if the expectations are lower
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:11.359
because the pressure would have been lower. and
00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:13.239
we'd now be sat outside the relegation zone,
00:53:13.340 --> 00:53:14.599
and I think Luke Williams would still be in a
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:18.340
job. One more thing. So, Dara says he's never...
00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:20.139
What do the fans want? Do they really want us
00:53:20.139 --> 00:53:21.239
to come out and say we're going to stay up by
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.940
the skin of our teeth? Look, in 23 -24, the retooling
00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:29.239
line worked. There was no pressure going into
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.559
that season. We just had a massive turnover of
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.699
players at the end of 22 -23 after the Hillsborough
00:53:34.699 --> 00:53:37.739
game. And they only went and performed better
00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:43.059
than the 22 -23 squad. And in fact, there was
00:53:43.059 --> 00:53:45.679
an even bigger turnover after 23 -24, but then
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.260
we went into the 24 -25 season expecting top
00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:52.960
six again. We're in retooling right now. I've
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.699
banged the drum already about the debt and the
00:53:54.699 --> 00:53:57.800
fact that Darragh needs to be commended. We will
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.519
look back on this period of the mid to late 2020s
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:03.260
as more and more clubs go into administration
00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:07.099
and or fold. Peterborough United will not be
00:54:07.099 --> 00:54:08.840
one of them because we've got an ownership structure
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.260
that's taking the debt seriously. And some of
00:54:11.260 --> 00:54:15.460
us in the fan base recognise that DMACC is doing
00:54:15.460 --> 00:54:17.800
everything he possibly can to turn that situation
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:19.980
around. And he'll probably never get the credit
00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:23.719
he deserves for it. But couched in that, we're
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:25.599
going through a phase where we shouldn't be trying
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.940
to get top six because we can't reinvest everything.
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.059
We are just paying, you know, however many millions
00:54:31.059 --> 00:54:35.190
comes in for Manny Fernandez. x percentage of
00:54:35.190 --> 00:54:37.050
it needs to go towards just paying down debt
00:54:37.050 --> 00:54:39.349
where far more percentage of it could have gone
00:54:39.349 --> 00:54:42.309
to buying in new players in the past it's fine
00:54:42.309 --> 00:54:46.489
there are mitigating circumstances but i i don't
00:54:46.489 --> 00:54:47.949
know he doesn't want to use the retooling line
00:54:47.949 --> 00:54:49.889
again or he doesn't want to say look we're in
00:54:49.889 --> 00:54:51.409
a phase right now where we're trying to get out
00:54:51.409 --> 00:54:54.130
for indecent debt and there will be sunnier times
00:54:54.130 --> 00:54:57.769
later for that reason if we persist with the
00:54:57.769 --> 00:55:01.940
idea that we we think even now Even now, as we
00:55:01.940 --> 00:55:05.280
sit here 23rd in the league on the 20th of September,
00:55:05.539 --> 00:55:09.079
if the new manager comes in still with the expectation
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:12.659
of top six, I could see a season like 09 -10
00:55:12.659 --> 00:55:15.039
where we have four managers in a year. Genuinely.
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.579
If that expectation is maintained from here,
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.739
welcome to the merry -go -round, I think. But
00:55:23.739 --> 00:55:26.900
the issue is, it's too late now to backtrack
00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:30.719
on it, in my opinion, from Dara. He could say,
00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:34.420
yes, OK, we would have had a top six side if
00:55:34.420 --> 00:55:38.440
Hughes and Tom O 'Connor stayed fit all season.
00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:41.360
You know, he could say that. And, well, there's
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.900
no way to disprove that, is there? Because it's
00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:46.139
the thing, he says these things and we can't
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:48.559
go, no, because we have no evidence for the fact
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.320
there isn't. But he also has no evidence for
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.920
the fact that that would be the case. But he
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.940
could try and walk back on it in that sense and
00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:56.820
say, you know, if everyone was fit for every
00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:59.780
single game. But then there's the obvious caveat
00:55:59.780 --> 00:56:03.360
of that's never going to happen. And you've signed
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.260
two injury -prone centre -backs. Well, you signed
00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:08.920
a centre -back who is injury -prone to go alongside
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:10.840
your one that's been out for a year and has had
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:16.760
many setbacks across that time. So the expectations
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.519
for the new manager, it'll be really interesting
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.679
to see what they are. I expect Darragh to be
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:26.199
relatively quiet for a while. I think he will...
00:56:26.429 --> 00:56:29.050
Get the new manager in. Let the new manager do
00:56:29.050 --> 00:56:31.429
his thing. I don't expect to see a hard truth
00:56:31.429 --> 00:56:34.429
necessarily in the next couple of weeks, although
00:56:34.429 --> 00:56:36.969
Darragh always surprises us. So maybe there'll
00:56:36.969 --> 00:56:40.690
be one dropping tonight or something. But I don't
00:56:40.690 --> 00:56:42.269
expect to hear a lot from him. Just quickly,
00:56:42.329 --> 00:56:44.829
I reckon he will. And I reckon he'll come out
00:56:44.829 --> 00:56:49.010
and praise Luke Williams. And implied in that
00:56:49.010 --> 00:56:50.789
is the fact that he, Darragh, will have made
00:56:50.789 --> 00:56:53.429
mistakes along the way, not setting up what is
00:56:53.429 --> 00:56:56.530
probably a pretty good manager to succeed. I
00:56:56.530 --> 00:57:01.750
think he will end up doing that. Then, then,
00:57:01.869 --> 00:57:04.349
oh, I don't want to get into it, but then like,
00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:06.550
that's not good enough. Like, it's just not good
00:57:06.550 --> 00:57:09.230
enough. You can say, hold your hands up and say
00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:12.889
you've made mistakes, but people, you know, lose
00:57:12.889 --> 00:57:16.070
jobs because Luke Williams has lost his job then
00:57:16.070 --> 00:57:17.989
because Dara's made mistakes and not set him
00:57:17.989 --> 00:57:19.849
up with a good enough squad. Obviously coupled
00:57:19.849 --> 00:57:22.610
with clear tactical errors from Luke Williams
00:57:22.610 --> 00:57:26.369
and his inability to get stuff out of. The players
00:57:26.369 --> 00:57:28.349
aren't good. The players are bad, but they're
00:57:28.349 --> 00:57:31.550
not as bad as they looked yesterday. And that
00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:34.190
is on Luke Williams. But also, they're still
00:57:34.190 --> 00:57:36.730
bad and they're not a top six squad. And Luke
00:57:36.730 --> 00:57:39.130
Williams hasn't been given the tools. And honestly,
00:57:39.269 --> 00:57:41.170
I do feel bad for Luke Williams. I genuinely
00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:43.309
think he's a good human being. I think he's a
00:57:43.309 --> 00:57:45.929
nice manager. I think he's a good coach. I don't
00:57:45.929 --> 00:57:49.289
think he's a great manager because I think he...
00:57:49.990 --> 00:57:52.369
with certain elements of it. I think he struggles
00:57:52.369 --> 00:57:54.530
with the fans and the expectations of the fans.
00:57:54.809 --> 00:57:58.289
I don't think he reads particularly well on the
00:57:58.289 --> 00:58:01.230
sideline. I think that frustrates fans. There's
00:58:01.230 --> 00:58:03.730
moments in games where people look at him and
00:58:03.730 --> 00:58:05.809
it doesn't look like he's giving anything back
00:58:05.809 --> 00:58:10.510
to the players. And also he has clear interviewing
00:58:10.510 --> 00:58:13.489
problems, doesn't he? Yeah. You know what Luke
00:58:13.489 --> 00:58:15.969
Williams did fail to do? His biggest faux pas
00:58:15.969 --> 00:58:20.309
was not hearing. the fans at Watford away singing,
00:58:20.469 --> 00:58:23.650
Williams, give us a wave. Because it looked like
00:58:23.650 --> 00:58:27.610
at 5 -1 up, he's ignored us. Yeah. Fergie always
00:58:27.610 --> 00:58:31.070
knew to give the clap and the wave back. The
00:58:31.070 --> 00:58:33.530
new manager coming in needs to know that when
00:58:33.530 --> 00:58:35.309
you're winning, the fans will say your name,
00:58:35.429 --> 00:58:38.489
give us a wave. And when you hear that, you've
00:58:38.489 --> 00:58:40.550
got to give the wave back. Got to lock in, yeah.
00:58:40.650 --> 00:58:42.869
I think Luke Williams is straight. I just didn't
00:58:42.869 --> 00:58:45.389
hear the chant at Watford away for the record.
00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:47.869
Yeah, I think... To be fair, you're not really
00:58:47.869 --> 00:58:50.130
listening to it. Especially because we were singing
00:58:50.130 --> 00:58:53.389
all game. It's one of those, it just becomes
00:58:53.389 --> 00:58:56.170
background noise, doesn't it? I'd much rather
00:58:56.170 --> 00:58:59.449
he was so focused that he doesn't hear Williams
00:58:59.449 --> 00:59:01.730
give us a wave, rather than singing along with
00:59:01.730 --> 00:59:03.409
every chant and not paying attention to what's
00:59:03.409 --> 00:59:06.090
going on on the pitch. I don't like the give
00:59:06.090 --> 00:59:07.769
us a wave thing anyway. I don't like it. It's
00:59:07.769 --> 00:59:09.769
like, stop distracting him. He's got a job to
00:59:09.769 --> 00:59:13.150
do, is my view on the give us a wave chant. And
00:59:13.150 --> 00:59:17.539
that's maybe a bit Killjoy. Yeah, Dara has got
00:59:17.539 --> 00:59:20.980
a lot to answer for, I think, based on yesterday,
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.280
based on what we've seen so far this season and
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.340
based on the end of Luke Williams. I think Williams
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:29.420
is a bit silly that he... I'm writing an article
00:59:29.420 --> 00:59:31.659
right now for the Poshcast Post, shout out the
00:59:31.659 --> 00:59:35.059
Poshcast Post, about Williams' mistakes, not
00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:37.739
just in the last few weeks, but actually in his
00:59:37.739 --> 00:59:40.219
tenure at the club that have led to him getting
00:59:40.219 --> 00:59:42.840
to the point where he's been sacked in under
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.780
a year. I think mistake number one was January
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:47.960
20th, 26th. I think Williams should have asked
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.320
reinforcements to have a better second half of
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.920
the season. There was no reason why we shouldn't
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.619
have made a couple of Williams signings in that
00:59:54.619 --> 00:59:56.880
January window if he was offered them, as Darragh
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.539
claims he was. Literally no reason why we shouldn't
00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:01.699
have done that. Like, what is the harm in it?
01:00:01.780 --> 01:00:05.659
You can sign players in January. And I think
01:00:05.659 --> 01:00:07.820
that was the first mistake. This summer, he just
01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:11.099
was too relaxed. I reckon one day maybe we'll
01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:13.440
hear from Luke Williams and he'll probably throw
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.800
some shade the way of Dara would be my suggestion.
01:00:16.300 --> 01:00:19.079
I doubt that he's fully happy with everything
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.480
that's gone on. But also, he's a humble guy,
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.039
Luke Williams. He'll probably go back to working
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.280
in the airport. And, you know, I do respect that.
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:30.800
And he just wasn't quite cut out for it. This
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.239
season, he wasn't ready for a fight. I think
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.280
he was a great manager when he first came in.
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.519
I think he is a good manager. I think he's got
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.639
clear tactical ideas. He's not been able to impose
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.679
them on Peterborough United. I think he's, especially
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.619
in recent weeks, has had a bit of an identity
01:00:45.619 --> 01:00:48.539
crisis as well, where he's actually lost his
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:51.199
footballing identity. And he's also lost his
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.900
sense of self and his sense of role within the
01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:56.239
club. He's diminished his own position in his
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.059
mind, I think, where he's become the manager.
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.300
the role of manager has become smaller to him
01:01:02.300 --> 01:01:03.920
and I think that's what Daryl was hinting at
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.480
his podcast like you are the manager you're the
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.880
guy in the football club and Williams has tried
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.920
to make make himself a sort of a cog in a wider
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.320
machine and I don't think that necessarily went
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.760
down I couldn't ever see Fergie making the comments
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.679
about not being you know having to please people
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.679
I could never see Darren Ferguson making those
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.780
comments I think Fergie would probably have a
01:01:23.780 --> 01:01:25.780
view on it if I feel like I'm having to just
01:01:25.780 --> 01:01:28.739
appease people then I'm out of here so Yeah,
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.579
it's been tough for Luke Williams. I feel bad
01:01:31.579 --> 01:01:36.239
for him. I think he's a nice guy. I have no bad
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:42.519
blood against him. I think I wish him well. And
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.960
I hope that things get better. But can't see
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.099
it, Harry. Can't see it. The expectations. We've
01:01:49.099 --> 01:01:53.719
got a couple of big games in October coming up.
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:58.000
I hope we do well in the... trophy because that's
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.000
our competition and we did terribly in it last
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.119
year but also Notts County at home and Burton
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.239
at home are must wins aren't they like if you
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:07.639
want to stay up those are games that you simply
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.260
have to win so they're big but we've also got
01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:13.059
loads of games that I don't expect us to do anything
01:02:13.059 --> 01:02:16.159
in so be interesting to see I hope the manager's
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:18.360
given time I hope the manager's given grace and
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:21.039
I hope the manager's not given a poison chalice
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.099
by Darren making stupid comments on podcasts
01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:29.969
but yeah we'll see We'll see. All right. Are
01:02:29.969 --> 01:02:32.130
we there? I think we're there. Do we need to
01:02:32.130 --> 01:02:35.230
preview Cole Yu on Tuesday? I mean, I've already
01:02:35.230 --> 01:02:37.530
said it. Ryan Arley's Barmy Army, baby. We're
01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:40.670
going to win 6 -0. I do actually think we'll
01:02:40.670 --> 01:02:42.469
win. I think it's going to be a really weird
01:02:42.469 --> 01:02:47.219
game of football. I'd like to see... Can we please
01:02:47.219 --> 01:02:49.659
involve Patrick Saika on Tuesday? He's not been
01:02:49.659 --> 01:02:51.559
involved at all in the first team this season.
01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:53.800
Please give him some minutes because it's becoming
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:56.800
ridiculous. And I can't imagine he's happy having
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.019
his role diminished so much. I know he's been
01:02:59.019 --> 01:03:01.460
captaining the under -21s and stuff. I'd like
01:03:01.460 --> 01:03:04.400
to see Saika. I'd like to see a couple of players
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.139
rested. I don't think Bolu needs to play on Tuesday.
01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:12.079
Ethan Williams probably needs to play. I'd like
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.960
to see Ashfield play with Kelly. I could call
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.280
in and die, get him in. Oh, yeah, yeah. Call
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.400
in and ding and do. Yeah, get him involved. I
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:22.719
think it would be crazy if we didn't play him
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.500
because then when is he going to play, you know?
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:26.699
It's going to be a terrible crowd on Tuesday
01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:29.480
night, I think. Probably one of the worst ever,
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.820
even for that competition standards. I certainly
01:03:31.820 --> 01:03:34.260
won't be making the trip from Sheffield. And
01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:36.679
to be honest, even if it was where I live in
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.400
Huntingdon, I wouldn't be making the trip either,
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.239
I don't think. I'd much rather a Tuesday evening
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.820
at home. But, yeah. It's going to be a weird
01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:47.739
week. My prediction, actually, is that whoever
01:03:47.739 --> 01:03:50.019
the new manager is will be in the director's
01:03:50.019 --> 01:03:52.420
box for Tuesday night's game and will be announced
01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:57.440
on Wednesday. If we got a new manager in that
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:01.559
quickly, I think that would be impressive, genuinely.
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.780
I think that would be a really good sign that
01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:07.380
we've done the groundwork with succession planning.
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.860
which can be difficult to do because, of course,
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.159
managers know that you're sniffing around if
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.780
you're having other managers come and watch your
01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:19.699
games. But if we do get a new manager midweek
01:04:19.699 --> 01:04:24.099
before Stockport, I think the backroom team deserve
01:04:24.099 --> 01:04:25.860
credit for that, for being decisive about it.
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:29.579
Let's see if you're right. I'd be surprised.
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.400
I would expect that Ryan Harley will lead out
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.300
Colchester and Stockport, but maybe we'll have
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:39.309
someone in for, say, Friday or Saturday, and
01:04:39.309 --> 01:04:41.289
then they'll start taking over training from
01:04:41.289 --> 01:04:43.969
the Sunday or the Monday following stopport would
01:04:43.969 --> 01:04:47.289
be my guess. Let's see. I mean, fair play to
01:04:47.289 --> 01:04:49.230
Ryan Harley, by the way, because if my best,
01:04:49.289 --> 01:04:50.969
well, I don't know if they're best mates, but
01:04:50.969 --> 01:04:53.230
if one of my really good mates and trusted guy
01:04:53.230 --> 01:04:55.010
had been sacked, there's no way that I'd be sticking
01:04:55.010 --> 01:04:58.030
around and, you know, taking games for the club.
01:04:58.510 --> 01:05:00.849
Surprised it wasn't Ryan Semple. Very surprised
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that we've actually kept Harley involved. But
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yeah, fair play to him for doing it. I hope he
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doesn't need Stockport because I think it would
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be a weird transition period, I think. I think
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a clean break is much nicer. It's going to be
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a bit of a depressed changing room, I think,
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with Ryan Harley. But you never know. Maybe he
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has managerial ambitions of his own. And so we'd
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love a little spell as an interim somewhere just
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to start showing to those, you know, National
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League, Low End League 2 clubs, jobs that you
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might be applying for in years to come that he
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can do the managerial role as well as the assistant
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manager role. I don't know what Ryan Harley's
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career ambitions are. Phil Adams said we'd get
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an interview with him in January. We still haven't
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got the long sit down with Ryan Harley. So I
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think we've got only about a week to do it. So
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let's speed it up. But yeah, it'll be interesting.
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yeah absolutely alright I think we're there thank
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you all for listening and yeah we'll see you
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after Colchester United on Wednesday I imagine
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it'll go out maybe Thursday I reckon Wednesday
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morning we'll do I'll get something recorded
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we'll get something recorded on Tuesday night
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after the game I reckon nice alright all the
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best everyone up the poshcast up the poshcast