Two Hypnotherapists Talking to Sheila Granger

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Welcome to Two Hypnotherapist Talking with Me, Denise Bill and Mahia in Delaware, USA.
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And me, Let Roberts in St.
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Helens, United Kingdom.
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This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who would like to know more about the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.
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I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children.
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And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist.
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We are two hypnotherapists talking.
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So let's get on with the episode.
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Anyway, there we go.
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Hello and welcome back.
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So we're on today.
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Yeah, and we've got a lovely special guest.
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So I'm just going to introduce our guest and then we can have a chat, can't we?
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We have the amazing Sheila Granger.
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So anybody who is anything hypnosis will know of Sheila Granger.
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Sheila is a UK clinical hypnotherapist, and Sheila's mission is to educate, motivate, help, and inspire other practitioners to achieve more than they thought possible.
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Most known for the virtual gastric band weight loss protocol that's helped thousands of hypnosis practitioners across the globe launch and grow their own practices.
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Sheila has taken hypnosis into almost all walks of life, from working with the homeless through to hospitals, schools, and businesses.
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She was I M D H A hypnotist.
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She'll have to explain what that is in a minute, Sheila, hypnotist of the year in 2019, and her own business won the national UK Business of the Year in 2021.
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A multi-best-selling author on Amazon, Sheila constantly tests the boundaries of what is possible with hypnosis and a hypnosis business, and has enabled others to help over 140,000 clients with hypnosis.
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She's ego-free with a big dollop of can-do attitude.
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Welcome, Sheila.
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And we know you we know you personally anyway, don't we?
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And we know how hard you work and how you've you've helped me, you've helped Denise, and you've helped quite a lot of our guests that have been on over the past few seasons as well.
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So welcome.
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Oh well, that's nice to hear.
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And yes, just to clarify, the IMDHA is the International Medical and Dental Hypnosis Association that is based, you know, USA based.
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And I should update my bio really because that was 2019, but I lose track of me, is 2024 or 2025, it might have been.
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Amazing, absolutely amazing, and well deserved, well deserved as well, because you do you are such an inspiration to us all.
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So I've just had the pleasure of spending the weekend with you, hadn't I, as part of the hypnosis group?
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And it was again an amazing weekend.
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Where you find the energy and the time to put all of this together that you do is beyond me, absolutely beyond me.
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So uh I well life has made been made a little bit easier with AI on putting things together.
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Yeah, um, but yeah, there's still um there's still a lot of human side that we need to put into things, you know.
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So um yeah, but we've just yeah, we've discussed this before though, haven't we?
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On here, and and I know I I've had a chat with you, Sheila, about it, but AI is only as good as the information that you're giving it.
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So if you don't give it enough information, then it probably will come back with half a truth, really.
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Or a half a truth.
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Yeah, completely.
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Yeah, yeah, completely.
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Um, yeah, I think you know, I mean it's the biggest pivot in marketing in the last 25 years to the way things are going, but you know, they the human element is more important than ever.
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Yeah.
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You know, people want human connection, which is why, you know, our industry and hypnosis is only going to grow because of the human element that AI cannot do.
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Um, so yeah, it can help us, and you know, so many people are now, you know, it's been used as a search facility, it's not just somebody asking it to produce things, you know, a lot of people now are using it as a search facility.
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You know, who would you recommend for?
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So as hypnotherapists, we we have got to keep on top of that kind of thing because although none of us really want to be marketers, you know, we we just want to help people.
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Um our businesses have to be marketed, so yeah.
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But we have to be findable for people.
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You know, they have to know what it is that we can do, how it is that we can help.
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And and sometimes I always say, you know, if you take the word hypnosis, which is I think probably uh looking back, it's how I managed to get into so many places, you know, be it medical or businesses or whatever, because I, in a way, take the word hypnosis away from it, which can conjure up all sorts of things.
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And funnily enough, I've just been interviewing some members of the public.
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I'm about to release some videos to what they think hypnosis is, isn't how they would find somebody, etc.
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And it's some great learnings for everybody.
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But you know, we have got to be uh, you know, human.
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Is this somebody that I think I can work with?
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And that's why all of us offer at first call, you know, a free call to see whether we we for both of both sides to the argument, whether we think we can work with that person and comfortable with that.
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Yeah, but if you take the word hypnosis away from it, it's really just about how people think, which means that we it is is it uh applicable in every any area of life?
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So the there is a lot of uh especially on social media, you see a lot of hypnotherapists or hypnosis that uh are really they don't like AI, and I some of them are actually quite worried that it's gonna take over our jobs or you know, it's gonna replace us.
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I don't think it will do.
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Don't you remember before COVID how many people were worried about people who were doing hypnosis online?
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You know, just about everybody is.
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And I was I was one, I was very skeptical about doing hypnosis online because it wasn't something that I was trained to do, and I was quite comfortable seeing people face to face.
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And but with lockdown, we had no choice, did we?
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But and now look how you've now got people in England and Australia, you know, you aren't stuck, you just stop by their clock, yeah.
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But also that there is a lot of hypnotists on social media that really they really don't like AI, they really don't like it at all, and it's not gonna replace us, is it?
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Because like what Sheila's just said, it's all about that human connection, isn't it?
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AI's got no emotions, have has it?
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So we can put a little bit of emotion in if we put that emotion in.
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It's not gonna act in that way, is it?
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It's not gonna be empathetic, is it?
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So no, and I think anything that can make our job as hypnotherapists easier in terms of you know, you need to do it.
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It does a lot of the it does a huge amount of the back-end stuff that none of us were trained to do.
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That wasn't the path we had before, and it sort of forced you when you're first starting out because you don't have you don't have enough money in the bank to hire a bunch, a bunch of people to do that stuff, yeah.
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So, you know, kind of yeah, like kind of design work and um putting ideas together, you know, it it can you know churn stuff out at a vast rate of knots.
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So it can take that element of time that we would have to put into things away from it, but the important element which I guess some people are missing is the not then putting the human into that.
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And so, you know, you'll know yourself, you know, if you see, I mean, it it's even been flagged on social media now if there's an AI generated element to it.
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Yeah, and you know, sometimes now if you see AI generated, you don't even read the posts.
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The post might actually be really good, but the flagging the AI image, you know, it can create some beautiful images and very, very quickly.
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Yeah, I am but we've just got to make sure that you know we put the human element in.
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So the way that Les is doing, you know, videos all the time, and I know it's something that you know we don't like doing, none of us want to do videos really.
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You know, somebody could just well, we can clone ourselves with the eye, of course, but you know, people want to see who is this person I am working with.
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You know, when I've done these interviews in the public, and I've said, well, how would you choose one hypnotherapist over the other?
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You know, first of all, I went with, you know, what would you search for?
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Would you search for the problem that you've got, or would you search for the hypnotherapist?
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And they said, well, they probably searched, some said they would search for the problem that they wanted solving.
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Other people said, well, you know, hypnotherapy for that proper problem.
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And then when they get the details through, the first thing they're going to do is go and have a look and see if this person's got any reviews.
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Yeah.
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You know, um, have you worked with somebody who has my problem?
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Yeah.
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And so if anything, you know, it's kind of that side of things, reviews, case studies, you know, all the things that make us trustworthy to somebody.
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And the other side is, you know, one person said, no, we'll check that person out on social media.
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You know, what kind of things do they post?
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You know, are they being helpful?
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Do they do any charity work?
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You know, what else do they do apart from their job, if you like?
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So they get people are looking for a fully rounded picture of who this person is before they decide whether they're going to work.
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So, you know, that's why, you know, keeping politics and everything else from our social media is a fairly smart move because you know, people you can soon turn people off just as you can turn them on.
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So when I was searching for my cabin, I did a lot of uh research online, but I looked at their reviews, I also looked at the the quality, you know, the kind of wood that they were using, and how quick they could turn them out.
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If they could turn them out within a day or two days, then it wasn't for me because I wanted something bespoke.
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I wanted something well, yeah.
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But also, I remember doing my training, and I remember my tutor Mark actually saying, Whatever you do, whatever argument you have with anybody, keep it off social media.
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Because if you've got a client who doesn't know you, they might go to your business page, but they're gonna go to your personal page and they're gonna have a look at that.
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I might have a rant every so often, probably once every Preston Guild, but otherwise, I keep politics, I keep religion, I keep my opinions out of it because they're my opinions and they shouldn't, you know, influence who comes to see me.
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So it's you've got to be very I mean, it's all it's all actually little daft stuff, isn't it?
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That well not daft stuff, that's you know, things that are important to people when they look, you know, when they're thinking about booking.
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Um because sometimes it takes people a long time to pluck up the courage, you know, to make contact with somebody or to decide I have got a problem and I'm gonna do something about it, and who should I go and see?
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Especially if they know nothing about our industry at all.
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But there's also other things apart from our industry.
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So if it was me, if I had a friend, for example, who said, Oh, there's a new restaurant in town, you ought to try it.
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Now, ridiculously, one of the first things that I would look at is how easy is it to park near there.
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Yeah.
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So, Ashley, putting posts out on your Google profile about parking and you know how that works, and because otherwise that would be something that will put me off.
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I'd be thinking, Oh, is this difficult to park at this place?
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I'm not going then.
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Yeah, it and you you're very, very right as well.
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And also where it is as well, it's not just the parking, but it's where it is.
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Because I was I was in the town centre and it was pedestrianised, so you couldn't park before I moved home.
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You couldn't park, but after six o'clock, you could.
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So anybody who was had mobility issues or didn't want to walk across a car park on a you know, an evening, they used to come have their appointments after six o'clock so they could park right outside my building when the uh parking attendance had finished for the day.
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Yeah, it is it is all important, it's all to do with with how you how how other people perceive you as well, don't don't they?
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You know, like I I like a glass of wine, I like you know to go out.
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I'm a bit of a homebird, but I do like to go out, but I certainly wouldn't plaster things over Facebook, you know, me falling over, you know, with a glass of wine or something, because that's just not the image that I want to portray.
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Yeah.
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Some people do, and yeah, you've got to kind of we've got to think like a potential client thing, what would they look for?
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Yeah, we do and because the more we can think like them, the more we actually produce the content that they would want to see.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And that would actually help them.
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Yeah.
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So I know that, well, we all know that you're very, very well known all over the world for your virtual gastric band.
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What is your biggest win up to now?
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Well, we're talking in terms of a weight loss client or doesn't matter.
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Doesn't matter anyway.
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Business milestone, or you were going to tell if you if you had a brand new person, what would you want them to know?
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What do you think would be the most important thing to tell them about your business?
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Well, that is a bit of a difficult one because it would depend who I was talking to.
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Yeah.
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Um, pretend you haven't met me before.
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You don't know me, you were sitting together, and I've just told you I used to be a doctor and I live in Delaware.
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Now, what are you going to tell me about you?
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So you're a doctor at least live in Delaware.
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So am I talking to you as a hypnotherapist or a business owner?
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I think that's the key.
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Yes.
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Now, how would you decide which of those things you would want?
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Which which of those things would you choose people to know if there was no other Yeah?
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I mean, to be honest with you, I wouldn't I I wouldn't go down a particular avenue at all.
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I you know, I I would just get to know the person a little bit more, you know.
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You know, so if it was ethnotherapist, then okay, so have you got a niche?
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What kind of area do you what you know work with?
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And I would kind of really look to add a little bit of value to that conversation.
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You know, it might be a little tip on referrals or so I wouldn't I I don't go into kind of selling mode at all.
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I'd I just go into helping mode.
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And you know, I might mention, you know, I've got a group of hypnotherapists and we work on this thing, and you're more than welcome to come along and join us.
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But but really I just want to help that person.
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You know, it's a little bit like I had a conversation with um a lady on Thursday before we went down to Birmingham for this live event, and she didn't know me, she'd seen actually a podcast, she'd seen me talking on a podcast um with another gentleman about virtual gastric band.
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And she said, Um, I listened to that podcast and I thought, oh my goodness, this is somebody who's actually doing this, which I found quite interesting.
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And and she said, and then he said you do mentoring on the podcast, so you know, can I just have a chat with you?
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And when I had a chat with her, I didn't immediately go into, you know, well, I've got a coaching programme you can join, I've got all you know, I just kind of said, So, how long have you been a hypnotherapist for then?
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And and what are your goals and dreams?
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And have you got a niche?
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And and I kind of worked out whether her goals, A, were attainable, you know, realistic, and you know, well, what did she want to achieve and what did that look like financially for her if she was going to she was a pharmacist and if she was to give up that job as a pharmacist, you know, what how many clients would she need at what price for that to happen?
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And because that actually gets somebody thinking in the right direction and helps them as opposed to, well, if you want to work with me, you do this coaching program.
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Um, and so if I can just, you know, give somebody some advice and some help, yeah, it seems to naturally lead to so many of those people wanting to know more or um you know wanting to book sessions or whatever that may be.
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So I I think it's all about helping people.
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Yes, yeah, I I totally agree.
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So somebody asked me these questions, so I'm just gonna throw them this to uh throw them back at somebody else today.
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So what would you not do again?
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What would you not do again?
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What would I not do again?
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That's an interesting one as well, isn't it?
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I can't actually think of anything that I wouldn't actually do again because you know we've all had things that we've tried, it hasn't worked, you know, for whatever reason that may be.
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But then you changed your technique going forward.
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That's yeah, yeah.
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So so I think everything has a learning attached to it.
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And if we can view it as that to what we've learnt from it as opposed to, well, that didn't work out, I failed at that, you know, then we're willing to give other things a go.
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And I think it is being open to, well, what else could I do?
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And you know, be that another technique, you know, because there's always somebody else, you know, who has faced the very problem that you're facing.
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Yes, you know, but and there's also you know, a map with everything, there's this massive dollop of mindset that's attached to that.
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Uh, you know, believe you can, believe you can't, you're absolutely right.
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And I I will always just give something a go, and I'm not too attached to the outcome, you know.
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So it's not, well, I'm doing this and this is going to change my life, and then all of a sudden it doesn't work, and then I'm you lose all your confidence and you're back to square one.
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I never am because I've always got you know so many things on the go that actually, if this works, great.
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If it doesn't, well, I'll I'll do it in a different way.
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I'm I'm a member of your growth club.
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I know Denise used to be in the growth club, didn't you?
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And I've been I've been in there almost from the beginning.
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There is any hypnotherapists or hypnotists who are listening to this.
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What would you explain what your growth club is?
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So, you know, my bio, you know, is all about inspiring, educating, helping others to achieve what they want to achieve.
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And and I think what we all want to achieve is is completely different.
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So some people might look at what I do and think, well, I don't want to be doing all of that.
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You know, that looks like that sounds like a very big list that I do not want to do.
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And you know, so but and for some people it might be well, you know, what would be great for me was would be to get you know X number of clients consistently each week.
00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:10.319
So the Hypnosis Growth Club is all about helping people do that to achieve what feels right for them, you know.
00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:35.440
And the thing is about like the community that's involved in that is that everybody's at different levels, um, but when one person does something, so let's say example, you know, one person's brave enough to send that pressure release off that I've written, and they get themselves in the media, and then they get a phone load of phone calls from clients booking in, then you know that inspires other people to give it a go too.
00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.960
Yeah, so the group kind of inspire each other.
00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:59.759
So now, naturally, like you know, lots of other groups, there is a um a cupboard of material of pre-recorded material that people can go through, and how that might be about generating medical referrals, it might be about how to make the most out of a talk, how to get the talk, what to say at the talk, you know, all of those things.
00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.000
So people can pick up what they want at that time.
00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:17.599
But the other thing is that you know, people do get one-to-one time as well and help with the tech, because you know, what's the thing that can really hold us back sometimes or take so long to do is the tech.
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:32.079
You know, you might think, well, I'm just gonna do those updates on my Google profile, and you go to do them, and you either get a spinning wheel or you get that failed to upload, um, you know, and you just want to throw your computer out the window.
00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:32.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.279
And so we don't want that to happen to people.
00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:42.319
So that's why we've got our colleague Taran, and he will jump on a one-to-one call and help them with their IT as well.
00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.960
So, you know, kind of nobody's left behind.
00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:45.440
Yeah.
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.759
Last season Taran was on, wasn't it?
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:50.000
He did it with us.
00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:55.039
So something just I've known you for probably six years now.
00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.640
And I don't remember how you got to be a Hypnotist.
00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:08.880
What made you you know you were working fairly I can't remember the name of the group that you were working for, but you were in local government office somewhere.
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:14.720
What made you change and what made you find how did you find hypnosis?
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.359
Yeah, no, it's not we don't we're not at school thinking, do you know when I grow up I want to be a hypnotist?
00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:20.240
Yeah, exactly.
00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:22.480
It's not it's not what happens, is it?
00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:28.880
You know, most of us have had some kind of past life, past experience, past work, you know.
00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:35.440
But yeah, so so I was a fraud officer for the government for 22 years.
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:42.480
And uh so I investigated people who perhaps weren't as disabled as they said on the claim form.
00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:49.680
So, you know, they might say on the claim form, I am so disabled I cannot cut the food up and put it into my own mouth.
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:55.920
But I used to find when I took my camera out on a Saturday onto the golf course, they were they were doing okay.
00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:07.119
And so my job was to gather the evidence, show them the evidence, like a police officer would, and then decide whether they were going to get prosecuted or not, and you know whether they were gonna go to court or not.
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:16.799
It it sounds a really kind of negative job, but it helped me in the hypnosis world in two ways.
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:25.519
The first was uh it was a huge people watching exercise you know, about human behaviour.
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.440
Why do people do what they do?
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:38.799
You know, people making the best choice available to them at that time, but you know, all these things came into play, and so I definitely think that helped in terms of uh human interest.
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:46.799
The other thing, I was on a proactive team, so that meant that I was a manager of the proactive fraud team.
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:53.359
So what that meant is we weren't relying on somebody telling us that somebody was doing something they shouldn't be.
00:23:53.599 --> 00:24:12.400
My team's job was to go out and find the fraud, which that proactivity I guess is what's helped me learn marketing because I was proactive with building my business, just as I was proactive kind of doing that, and I'd always had an interest in how people think.
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:24.480
I had at some point in my life started a psychology degree, but the reason I didn't carry on at that time, I'm one of those people that unless I'm giving it my absolute all, I don't want to do it.
00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:37.759
And my daughter was very young at the time, and I started this psychology degree, and I and I was getting the marks to pass, but I knew if I could just put a bit more time into it, I would get higher than past marks, so I kind of stopped doing it.
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:49.119
But then I saw this, you know, hypnosis training course, and I thought, hmm, that's interesting, might go along to that, as we all do, and then you get completely hooked.
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:54.480
Do you think, why wasn't I taught all this stuff at school and how the mind works?
00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:02.160
And then, but at the same time, I was I was getting divorced, and there was only myself and my daughter at home, so it was only me to pay the mortgage.
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:16.400
And at the time when I qualified, I honestly thought if I could charge 50 quid a session and I saw a couple of people a week, that's a nice little bit of extra on top of my salary, and that's really how I viewed it.
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:26.480
But then, you know, when you start seeing people and people say, Oh my goodness, you've changed my life, then you just want to do more and more and more of it.
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:38.000
But because I was had my daughter at home, I say, only me to pay the mortgage, I probably stayed doing the day job much longer than I needed to.
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:46.799
Because, you know, I was thinking, oh well, I'm doing really well, but what what if what if it happens next month?
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:59.279
And I do remember I'd even I'd actually been on the BBC with virtual gastric band, and I was still working two days a week for the government because I was just keeping my foot in that door just in case I needed to increase my hours again.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:07.200
And I remember colleagues on the desk that he went where he was to sit, and colleagues saying to me, What do you get out coming here?
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.720
You know, why are you still coming here?
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:16.319
You know, when you've got all that going on and all that media retention, and and I don't know what made me do it, but just one day I just thought, yeah, you're right, resign.
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.400
So I just wrote my resignation letter.
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:25.599
Because while I was trying to balance those two, you know, what I was doing was I was playing not to lose.
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.119
I wasn't playing to win.
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:34.480
But you I mean, you also had a full-time motherhood job that wasn't that's a lot of things to be spinning plates.
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:35.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:39.279
And my life has just carried on spinning plates ever since, Denise, to be honest with you.
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.519
I think you enjoy it.
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.079
I don't think that's ever gonna change.
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.720
How many international trips do you do a year for for business purposes?
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.240
Well, it varies a little bit.
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:54.400
Obviously, I used to do a lot, I used to be somewhere every month before COVID.
00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:02.880
Uh, but you know, now everything's gone well, everything went online, but things are coming more people wanting more in-person stuff again now.
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:08.160
So I would say I probably do about between six and eight trips a year.
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.160
Every couple of months you're somewhere else.
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:10.640
That's nice.
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.359
Yeah, yeah, every couple of months, little visits somewhere else.
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:18.720
Is it is it usually the Western Hemisphere or do you go down to Australia?
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:19.200
Do you go?
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:23.200
I I know you've gone gone there before, but yeah, is it truly international?
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:28.720
I had a lady, a lady that I was talking to this morning who said, Are you gonna come to Sydney next year?
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.279
So uh, but yeah, that's such a hideous flight, though, is Australia.
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.920
You know, it's don't live on a plane for a day.
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.599
23 hours, yeah, it is hideous, hideous.
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:43.359
Unless somebody, of course, wants to pay me a lovely business class flight, then I don't mind.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:58.319
So you you mentioned you mentioned when you you came you came on when we were just talking before um we started recording, you mentioned that you're off to Canada next weekend, is it?
00:27:58.480 --> 00:27:59.920
Or this weekend come in?
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:08.240
Yeah, so it is a bit of um an odd one, and one that you wouldn't automatically think hypnosis, how does that fit in with hypnosis?
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:18.559
So I am opening and the opening keynote for the International Pet Transport Association, who have an annual conference every year.
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:29.119
When I'd heard about it and I'd applied, they'd interviewed me last year for Bangkok, but they gave the the keynote to somebody who lived in Bangkok so they didn't have to pay my travel expenses.
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:33.920
So and then they contacted me again this year and said, We really loved what you had to say last year.
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.440
Will you be interviewed for this year's?
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.279
We're going to be in Vancouver.
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.960
And so I didn't realise there was going to be 15 people interviewing me on this online thing.
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.960
Needed to do some hypnosis on myself for that very, very quickly.
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:53.279
Yeah, so and the Pet Transport Association, you know, they it's a very interesting business.
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.200
I quite fancy starting it myself.
00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:02.640
So I've been talking to some of their members because for me to be relevant to them, I need to really understand the industry.
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:18.079
So I've been interviewing lots of their members, and some of them, you know, they specialised in transporting wildlife, wild animals, others they specialise in just dogs or cats or horses or insects.
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:30.079
There was one guy who'd just transported one million of something from Canada to Amsterdam, and I didn't catch what he said they were that he was transporting, but he said, Oh, you can eat them as well.
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:31.519
And I'm like, Well, did you try one?
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.200
I said, because like they wouldn't notice, would they, if one was missing out the one million?
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.559
They're like one, two, three, four.
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:45.599
I said, I don't think that another lady as well who was in Mexico and she was transporting some wild animals.
00:29:45.839 --> 00:30:09.759
But what can go wrong or what can delay things and the pressure points is that every country has its own requirements as far as wildlife, sanitation, customs, you know, all the airlines have different rules and regulations to whether they're in the cabin, whether they're in the hold, what you know, what health requirements are required of the animal before it'll transport it.
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:10.559
And then the difference.
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:16.880
Yeah, completely.
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.920
And those rules can change mid-air, you know.
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:28.960
So they may think that they've got all this sorted out, and then they might get a phone call in the middle of the night to say the rules have changed, and this animal won't be allowed after blame.
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:37.519
There was another lady, she was from Mexico, she was telling me that, and again, I did I could because of the language difference, I couldn't quite catch the animal that she was transporting.
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.480
It was a wild animal, there were six of them.
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:50.079
She got all the paperwork, it was all sorted with customs, the animals were at the airport, and then they said, Oh, narcotic narcotics want to test the crates.
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.920
Well, these are wild animals, you can't just put the hand in the crate to test the narcotic.
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:55.759
Oh, good luck with that, anyway.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.000
So then they had to find a handler to come and and do that.
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.960
So that meant that they couldn't get on the plane that they were supposed to be on, it was delayed.
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:09.039
This meant that they missed the connecting flight to wherever they were going to.
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:15.200
And so, overall, this meant that two of those animals had died by the time they got to this where they were supposed to be going.
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:16.240
Oh dear.
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:28.960
So, you know, so then so you've got the pressure of the customer who's paying you for all of this to organise all of this, and then all those things, those pressure points of things that can change, go wrong.
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:42.400
And so that's where I come in, really, because I'm going to be talking about the mindset of things, and my keynote is all about how do uh businesses perform brilliantly within that pressure, yeah, yeah.
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:52.640
So, you know, obviously, and then politically, and some of them are now kind of shipping through a war zone, but you know, there's all those kind of points that come in as well.
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.960
So it's a really interesting industry, but you know, highly pressurized.
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:12.079
So, and and in the audience, you know, they have people who are like a one-man band, just work from home, own business, through to baggage handlers, through to the airlines, Emirates Airline, and people like that are there.
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.440
So, you know, and the vets who are involved in all of this.
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:23.519
So it's a big, you know, the biggest difficulty really for me was um doing something that would be relevant to every level of that business.
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:41.200
So, but as you and I know, you know, we cannot um control external, we can control internal and how we respond to things and which part of us shows up and the things that we can anchor ourselves in that are gonna help us.
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.640
So that's kind of the basis of my keynote are those things.
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.799
That's really interesting, isn't it?
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.920
You just think that animals just get put in a crate on the plane, you know.
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.200
Yeah, it's been an absolute I mean, I've loved it.
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:58.880
I it's an absolute eye-opener.
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.960
And you know, I was thinking, do you know I'm quite fancy doing this business myself?
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:04.000
Yeah.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.519
And we had these wolves that were endangered.
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:15.440
So they arranged um to have these some of these wolves shipped to the United States.
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.319
And now the problem is is the interference with farm animals.
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:25.039
So I don't want to get political here in any way, shape, or form, but uh Mr.
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.039
Trump has now ordered that those animals that were shipped be shot.
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:36.799
Oh no! Yes, because he has he has not realized that the rest of the world is hearing him and will remember.
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:38.240
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.480
So you can imagine for the for the person who's organized all of this, yeah, yeah, you know, it just must be.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.160
Absolutely gutting, mustn't it?
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.240
Oh goodness sake.
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.440
Well, you've been asked for, they haven't just they haven't just thought one day, I think what I'll do is I'll move some wolves.
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:08.800
I'll move some wolves over there, and so she said, but you know, instead of them looking at it from the point of view, well, how can the farmers and the wildlife organise to work alongside each other?
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.559
It's just like, yeah, you're just shooting.
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.760
Oh oh dear, oh dear.
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.440
So terrible, yeah.
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.920
But it's a really fascinating um industry, really.
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.880
I'm sure you'll be amazing, but best of luck anyway.
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.880
So apart from apart from the talk in in Canada and then you staying on to do something else, aren't you?
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.599
What's next for Sheila Granger?
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.400
Any books coming out or yeah, there is actually a good reminder for me, actually.
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.079
Um it's on my list of things.
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:46.480
Um so you know, so I've been interviewing hypnotherapists who have, you know, kind of built a business, how they did it.
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.960
You know, maybe with the next and what they overcame more than anything else, to do it.
00:34:51.519 --> 00:35:00.480
Because, you know, sometimes, you know, to to get a business going and to see clients so we can help more people, we all wish that that would happen naturally.
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.000
Um, but very rarely does that is that the case.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:16.239
So generally we have to overcome things, either confidence issues, you know, take some bravery pills, you know, overcome things that don't work out necessarily how we think.
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:31.119
And so I've got 22 stories of people who have done this from around the world and their angle on it and what their learnings were, so that if we can share that, other people can think, well, maybe I could do that too.
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.719
Plus, it educates people about hypnosis as well.
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:41.039
So that I was hoping to get it published in the next two weeks, but it's one of those plates at the moment that's a bit down here.
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:45.760
It's not like it's not the highest one I'm having to spin, it's a bit like well, I'll keep that one going.
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.360
So if not, it will be released just as I come back from Canada.
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.360
But yeah, thank you, thank you so much.
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.360
We're almost out of time.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.280
Wow, that's gone fast.
00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:59.039
Oh, it does.
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:04.480
Is there anything in hypnosis world that you wish you had done?
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.000
Or or or do you still have as a goal for yourself?
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:15.760
Um, not so much that I wish that I had done because uh I am still open to taking it into any arena.
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.280
So there's things that people have said no to me about, which I think I wish they'd said yes.
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:32.639
And I remember one was a dentist, and a lady who needed a tooth pulling out, and she'd done some work with me anyway, and she was willing to have this tooth pulled out without any anaesthetic.
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.480
And I could not find a dentist in my area who was willing to do that.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:37.280
Really?
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.639
Because the TV cameras wanted to come with us as well.
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:41.119
Right.
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.719
And the dentists are like, oh, what if something goes wrong?
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.559
I'm like, they're not gonna they're not gonna put a film out of this person screaming, you know.
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:57.519
So so yeah, so there's there's things that haven't kind of played out that I would I would like to do still.
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.679
Um, but I always think anything to do with mindset, I'll always just give it a go.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:03.039
Because what's the worst that's gonna happen?
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.480
The worst that's gonna happen is absolutely nothing will happen.
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:19.039
But I think kind of personally, um, I'm probably looking at um well, there's two two things personally, you know, the GLP warms, a lot of my clients are coming to see me who are coming off GLP1 medication.
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:26.400
Do they come off because they don't need to take it anymore, or do they come off it because it's too flipping expensive?
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:30.320
Yeah, so um I'm getting people who have already lost the weight.
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:36.960
Yeah, so they've lost the weight, they want to stop taking the medication, but they're worried that it's all going to go back on again.
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.480
So it's a different kind of mindset to losing weight.
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.880
So they have a tend to have a massive fear of regain.
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:45.519
Okay.
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.559
And the other thing that has um happened is that their identity hasn't been upgraded.
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.320
So, you know, still the person who needs to lose weight, who you know can't leave food alone.
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:10.639
Uh yeah, and the other side that tends to happen, you know, they're really scared of food noise coming back, and and so when we're frightened of something, what happens is we engage in scanning behavior.
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:21.119
So you know, they'll might have a thought about, you know, should I eat that snack, which is completely normal, but they immediately jump to the food noises come back.
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.199
I won't be able to do this.
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:23.679
Right.
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:30.960
Um so you know, we've got to stop the scanning, the scanning behavior, or they might feel a little bit messy, and you'll be starving.
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:40.800
And the other thing I like to get over to them as well is even though the medication has assisted, they have done the behavior themselves.
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:41.760
Yeah.
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:47.280
It's actually them who has eaten less or chosen to say no to that thing.
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:49.280
They have done that behaviour.
00:38:49.519 --> 00:39:05.519
So if we can keep the behaviour going and we up upgrade the identity, then you know they might put a little bit on, just as that medication kind of and the body balanced itself a little bit, but they're not gonna go back to where they were.
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.360
They're not gonna have the doesn't it?
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.840
Yeah, they're not gonna have the expense of you know keeping going with the with the medication either.
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:21.119
But you know, there's so many conversations that happen around, you know, I don't know what I'm gonna do when the med when I stop the medication.
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.159
So already they're in that negative mindset then, aren't they?
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.639
And that's even before they get there.
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:27.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And and so also, you know, they have no plan.
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That's the other thing.
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They have no plans what we're gonna do when we get to that point.
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So so I would say 50% of my clients that I actually see are specifically for that at the moment.
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:41.280
Wow.
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Yeah, I mean, you could generalize it to specific, specific points, and but I have to be honest, I have not done it as a group yet for the GLP ones.
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I've not officially tested that arena, but it would be the same things that you would be focused on.
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Right.
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Um there's no reason that that there's no reason that it wouldn't work in a group.
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But you know, if you think of the sheer number of people who take those now, you know, as a as a marketplace for us to, you know, help people, and it's something that's always in the news.
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The other thing I found is that most of the clients I see now just come on a referral from somebody else.
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Because people who are on the medication talk to everybody else who's on the medication.
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Yes.
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Yes, yeah.
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So it's easy for them to say, Oh, I've been to see such and such, you want to go and see her.
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So so you know that that that's kind of the other reason for it.
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So, yeah, so that's kind of uh my focus really is the is the GLP ones.
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Worrying what these this GLP one does to people.
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Yeah, there's so many different ones out there, so many different ones.
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They're all very, very similar.
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Yeah.
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I I just about take paracetamols and hybrid proven.
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So the thought of uh yeah, no.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um I mean it's fair, you know, it does, you know, it does work for people, yeah, you know, and so you know, part of what I do on the very first session is get them to kind of be really proud of what they've achieved.
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Right.
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But as you as you point it out, it's it's more biochemical than their mindset, and they need to have somewhere to work on that at the same time.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so, yeah, and earlier on in the year as well, I did do some sessions with people who were still taking it, still had a weight to lose, but were ready to start thinking about the mindset as well.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we can do it either or we can do it part way through, or as somebody is tirating down the medication.
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.800
So I never let somebody drop off a cliff, um you know, to like taking it, not taking it.
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:57.360
So when they start taking it, they're tirating up the doses, when they start coming off it, they're tirating down the doses.
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:03.840
So you'd probably start with somebody a couple of weeks before they've actually stopped completely.
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.880
So they haven't again we're reducing the fear of hang on a minute, I've not got any medication inside of me.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.400
Yeah, what is going to happen?
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How are you doing on your anti-smoking people?
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Is that still a large part of your practice?
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:21.840
Yeah, no, I mean I see I see some people for vaping, but yeah, that it's not a big part.
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:31.440
But interestingly, when I've done which of these interviews I'm just about to release that where I've talked to the public and I've said, Oh, you know, if I was to say the word hypnosis, what's it conjure up?
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And you know, what kind of things do you think people gonna see a hypnotherapist for?
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.360
They all said smoking straight away, smoking, losing weight.
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Not many people talked about, you know, like anxiety and and those kind of things, which I would have thought it was the other way on these days, but it isn't, it isn't so we've we've certainly got a lot of education to do still on those other issues.
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Yeah, we need to be waving that flag a little bit harder now, don't we?
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.320
Um yeah, but thank you, thank you, Sheila.
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Thank you very, very much.
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You're very well have a lovely time in Canada.
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Yes, thank you.
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Yes, thank you.
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Thank you.
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We would you pass across the border.
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Yeah, that's what an opportunity though.
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That's just fantastic.
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And I just hope it opens a lot more doors for you.
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I really do.
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Yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping that one will lead to other keynotes for other organisations.
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And then in November, you're speaking at the UK hypnosis convention, aren't you?
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November London, December going to lay on a beach somewhere.
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That's a nice idea.
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Absolutely wonderful.
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But thank you very, very much.
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So we'll you're very welcome.
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