179 - Ruby Ridge

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Ruby Ridge the sight of an eleven day arms standoff
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with the former Green Beret and Area Nation sympathizer Randy Weaver,
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his young family and a friend named Kevin Harris on
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one side, and the US Marshall's local law enforcement and
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the FBI and the other. The Weavers and their friend
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Kevin were holed up in the isolated Weaver Cabin in
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Boundary County, Idaho, about seventy five miles from where I
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sit and record this episode in the Suck Dungeon here
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in Quartelane. The Weavers had long feared the power of
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a tyrannical government. They moved Idaho from Iowa and Park
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to get away from the government and away from society
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in general. They wanted to isolate themselves from an outside
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world they increasingly began to view as unjust and immoral,
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and then in nineteen ninety two, the outside world came
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to them. The firefight that ensued atop this northern Idaho
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ridge kicked off a modern American militia movement. It has
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been pointed to by many as the sign that a
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corrupt federal government wants nothing more than to take your guns.
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And your property.
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The Ruby Ridge Siege is viewed by the more conspiracy
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minded as blatant evidence that the New World Order is
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real and that they have no problem killing innocent American
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citizens who get out of line and refuse to do
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what they're told.
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But was the standoff that simple?
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Was it simply government agencies wildly abusing their power and
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killing innocent Americans who hadn't done a damn thing wrong. No,
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it was not that simple. Both sides of this standoff
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made numerous terrible decisions. The US government did not handle
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the Ruby Ridge Siege as well as they could have.
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Mistakes were made, maybe some power was abused. However, Randy
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Weaver was far from innocence, and he and his family
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also made terrible mistakes that needlessly put themselves in harm's way.
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This whole standoff was so incredibly avoidable. Today's story is
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a story of self fulfilling prophecy. Sometimes, when you worry
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about something coming true so much that you start basing
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the bulk of your life choices around preparing for how
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to deal with this upcoming truth, you end up making
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this thing come true when it otherwise wouldn't have come true.
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You create your own worst nightmare if you live your
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life in constant fear of the government being out to
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get you, and you get so afraid that you start
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making a bunch of preparations for the government to come
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get you, preparations that include going to meetings where people
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talk about overthrowing said governments, and then you make illegal
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weapons to prepare for a battle against said government. Will
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guess what, now that government has a reason to come
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for you. The Weavers had paranoid visions of a biblical
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fight for their lives against the governments, and then their
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paranoia manifested itself into reality. Randy's fourteen year old son
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ended up getting shot in the back and killed. His
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wife was shot in the head by a sniper and
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killed while holding their ten month old baby. A federal
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agent was also shot and killed. There's lots of unpack
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in today's northern Idaho. Everything that could go wrong? Did
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go wrong? What did the US government mess up? What
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did the weavers mess up? And how could this entire
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situation have been avoided? Edition of Time Suck.
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This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to Time Suck
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On announcements, it's burned through them. Gets one of my
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favorite episodes of time sucks so far again. This wanted
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to hit really close to home. Hip Yip Yeah, Ruby
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Ridge is beautiful. Let's start there if you like miles
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and miles a thick pine forest, and wildlife like elk, moose,
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so many deer, black bear, maybe the occasional grizzly mountain lions, coyotes,
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bald eagles, hawks, otters, beavers, so many more critters. Boundary County,
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Idaho is your place if you like fishing for rainbow trout,
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cutthroat trout, large and smallmouth bass, brook trout, bluegill, perch,
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crappie catfish, ten other types of freshwater fish.
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Well.
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Boundary Counties got it.
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It's got almost thirteen hundred square miles, rugged mountains, pristine
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lakes and streams, a total population of less than twelve
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thousand people, a lot of land, not a lot of
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people living on that land. The biggest town in the
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county seat is Bonnars Ferry. Bonnars Ferry has wopping twenty
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five hundred people living in it, give or take a few.
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They're Idaho's most friendly town, according to Bonner's Ferry dot
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id dot gov just revitalized their downtown with improved parking,
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which I'm guessing means they now have like an additional
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three or four parking spots. I can't imagine parking was
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a real problem before the revitalization. If I were to
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ask somebody you know and Bonner's Ferry who revitalized their
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town instead of a company, I almost expect them to say,
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like a single person's name, Wow, downtown looks great. Who
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cleaned his place up? Barb Wagoner Ducker two years. Bob
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thinks she did a hell of a job. She's a
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one woman wrecking crew. No one in Bounder County can
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work a cat and a dozer in ports some mud
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like Barb Wagner. Ruby Ridge is less than twenty miles
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from Bonners Ferry, the southernmost of four mountain ridges that
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extend east from the Bottleneck Romanos Mountain Range towards the
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Cootney River, in a lush valley in the northern Idaho Panhandle,
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an important ancestral home with the Cootney tribe of American Indians.
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Caribou Ridge lies north of it, and the area between
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them drains into Ruby Creek. Some local maps have identified
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Ruby Ridge a tension of Caribou Ridge, but press reported
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on the Weaver standoff used the federally recognized name as
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the Crow Flies. About thirty miles about fifty kilometers south
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of British Columbia, Canada. A lot of the locals refer
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to this part of the world as God's country. It's
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a ridiculously beautiful part of the world with four distinct seasons,
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and if I talk anymore about it, I might not
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end up with the price on my head for encouraging
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more people to move up there and ruin it. So
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don't move to Northern Idaho. It's fucking terrible to shithole.
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Especially don't move there for Californian. Californian is about the
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worst four letter word that isn't a four little word
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you can say in Northern Idaho because Californians are almost
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single handedly fucking up the entire real estate market, which
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is still extremely cheap compared to California, I mean super expensive.
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So I don't even try it. Don't even look. Don't
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look on real estate apps. Come on, save your money.
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Don't go there.
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Northern Idaho is also where Randy Weaver, the man today's
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tale revolves around, decided to move. He wanted to get
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away from society, Like a lot of folks in Northern Idaho,
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a lot of anti social types in Northern Idaho. I
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grew up in you know, on the edge of Central
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in northern Idaho, very much the same down where I
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grew up in Riggins. A lot of people who are friendly,
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like Bonnard's Ferry's website proclaims, but that friendliness is served
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with an undercurrent of stray the fuck off my property.
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And I moved to northern Idaho for shindigs and hooton nannies.
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A lot of people want to be left alone. There's
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a reason Randy Weaver and his family moved to Boundary County, Idaho,
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not Los Angeles County, California, like they wanted to be
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left alone. But you're not going to be left alone
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if you do things like I don't know, ignore your
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court dates. America is the land of the free, but
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it's also a land like all other lands, of laws,
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and if laws had been followed, there would be no
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tale to tell about the Ruby Ridge Siege today. That
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being said, today's story is not as simple as just
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ignoring a court date.
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Right there is a right way and a wrong way
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to enforce the law.
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A lot of people believe that the law was enforced
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about as wrong as it could be in Randy Weaver's
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Ruby Ridge to backle I don't know that they're entirely wrong.
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I don't know that I disagree or I'm sorry. I
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don't know that I agree with that assessment either.
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Though.
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Let's get to know the star of today's show a
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bit now. He can't to believe what he believed. His
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beliefs would play a very large role in his standoff
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with the government. Before we go into a more proper
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timeline where we can go over all the nitty gritty
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details of the nineteen ninety two Ruby Ridge standoff. Randall
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Claude Randy Weaver was declared a healthy newborn baby boy
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on January third, nineteen forty eight. He was one of
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four children born to Clarence and Wilma Weaver, a farming
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couple from Velliska, Iowa, a town mostly known for the
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Velliska axe murders of June tenth or June eleventh, nineteen twelve,
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when eight people were killed with an axe by an
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unknown as slants. I tell that tale in episode nineteen
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of my other weekly podcast, Scared to Death.
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If you want to hear it, I heard. It's a good,
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really good story. Maybe I'm biased.
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Randy's dad, Clarence, was an agricultural supply salesman who had
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three daughters before Randa was born. His mother, Wilma, ran
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the home and they were a deeply religious family. They
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were so deeply religious that a hard time finding a
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local denomination who matched their strict and conservative views of
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fundamental Christianity, which is saying a lot when you live
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in a small Midwestern farm town of less than two
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thousand people. The family bounced around between the Evangelical, Presbyterian,
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and Baptist churches of the area trying to find a
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preacher who got it. And actually I said that they
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lived in Bliska, That's not exactly true. They lived in Grant, Iowa,
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a satellite town of about two hundred people at the time,
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fifteen miles from Bulliska. Fellisko is where you'd go to school,
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where you get your groceries, where you'd go to church,
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went to go watch a single screen or a movie
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at the single screen movie theater, and living in an
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even smaller town probably says a lot about the Weaver family.
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They didn't want to live in the big city of Eliska.
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They preferred the quieter burg of Grant. I'm speculating here
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for sure, but being from an area kind of like this,
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that is often how the story goes. Growing up in Grant,
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Randy hid from his sisters, played Little league baseball, and
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goofed off with the local farm boys. And by goofed off,
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I mean gave him hand jobs behind the old Anderson Barn.
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They called him Handy Randy. Nickname of Handy Randy, and
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the stigma that came with that nickname, you know, when
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you have a family who's super conservative and religious, is large.
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What would lead Handy Randy to move to Idaho many
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years later in a small conservative Iowa town. Once you
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are known as Handy Randy, you're always Handy Randy. And
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when the FBI made their siege many years later, continually
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taunting Weaver by calling him Handy Randy, would seriously escalate
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the situation. For four days straight, one agent after another,
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day and night, we're chanting non stop through the loud speakers,
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Handy Randy, making the boys feel dandy, Handy Randy just
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have to give him candy.
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It was terrible, and it also never happened. It was
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never his nickname.
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There's no record of him having sexual relations of many
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kind with any boys or dudes, and if he did,
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and he's you.
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Know, started listening to the podcast.
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Imagine he stopped listening a few moments ago and is
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now on the phone as his lawyer.
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Sorry, mister Randy, not handy, Randy Weaver. I'm insane.
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And that really cracks me up because I'm an idiot.
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Randy was very religious and conservative. You weren't allowed to
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be anything other than being a really religious and conservative.
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In the Weaver home, his father Clarence couldn't have been
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more proud of the son when he professed his faith
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in Jesus Christ at age eleven years later, Clarence said
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of Randy, he was a good boy. He always believed
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in God, always did right by him. We didn't stand
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for anything else. Randy started working in the fields when
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he was ten. His dad was never so proud as
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the day Randy stood up to a local farmer who
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tried to pay Hi less than bigger boys for the
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same amount of work. Randy said, I was always a
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little kid in school and I hated a bully. His
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hatred of bullies would help fuel his later standoff with
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a US government nineteen sixty two, when Randy was fourteen,
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his father, Clarence moved the family north to a gray
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two story house with a square post porch on Vine
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Street and Jefferson, Iowa, about fifty miles from Fort Dodge.
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Fort Dodge as the the county seat of Webster, Iowa,
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small cities sitting along the Des Moines River, home of
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former NBA place Nick Collison, former Iowa Governor Cyrus Carpenter,
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and a number of other notable authors, athletes, playwrights, politicians,
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and more. Jefferson, Iowa, where the Weavers would actually live,
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is a county seat of Green County, Iowa, about four
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thousand people. George Gallup, inventor of the Gallop Pols from Jefferson,
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Doreen Wilbur nineteen seventy two Olympic gold medalist and archery
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and not nearly as many other notable people are from
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Jefferson as are from Dutch City. The Weavers they liked
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a small town. Jefferson was probably as big as they
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could handle, twenty times the size of Grant. Jefferson was
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also the perfect town for handy Randy to escape his
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dark past. Why do I keep doing that? No one
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called him that? I always say he did.
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For for real?
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This time Randy thrived in Jefferson. He was popular in school.
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He had a good sense of humor. He could joke
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around with anybody he fit in. He was charming and funny.
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He spent a lot of time in Jefferson, tinker with
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his cars, working in the summers in the fields, having
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a few beers here and there with his buddies. It
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was like growing up on happy days. One of his
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friends would remember, it was Friday night football, get the
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crops out of the field and wait for the next parade.
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And I bet he had some kick ass malts and
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pancakes at local soda fountain. I bet Jefferson was a
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cool place to grow up. I bet it still is.
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Randy attended the Presbyterian Church youth group and Sunday School
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here in decent grades, played baseball and football at local
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high school. He graduated in nineteen sixty six and enrolled
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in Iowa's Central Community College. He was a brand new
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school at the time, driving fifty miles to class every morning.
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The classes were in Fort Dodge. He was a good,
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hard working young man. Although most of his fellow ICC
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students were farm kids and white like him, Fort Dodge
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also had a small black population and Randy is said
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to have gotten along with everyone regardless of the color
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of their skin, interesting considering what beliefs he would develop
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later about race and who he would associate with later.
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Randy Weaver was a regular guy in Iowa who didn't
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cause problems for anyone. He was wiry and strong from
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long summers of farm work. He worked as a school
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bus driver while he was going to community college. He
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also met his future wife in Jefferson. Friends of the
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couple would later say they were perfect for each other,
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the all American couple, but they broke up after a
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few months because Randy wasn't ready to settle down. Oh,
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handy Randy, Still, that's some wild oats to sew You
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get it begun loose, Defina, Why do you constantly tell
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me with cruel Handy Randy jokes. When the Vietnam War
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began to escalate, Weaver dropped out of community college and
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joined the US Army in October of nineteen sixty eight.
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He was stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina with
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a lot of other dudes close quarters, where he did
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not do any Handy Dandy Randy in if you catch
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my drift. Randy was trained as a combat engineer and
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volunteered for airborne training. Later, he passed the riggor's training
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required for special Forces. He became a Green Beret. His dad, Clarence,
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couldn't have been more proud, and he shouldn't have been
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more proud right become a Green Berettes hell of an accomplishment.
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In his training, Randy learned to survive on almost nothing.
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He learned to make explosives, prepare fortifications. He also worked
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as a construction equipment operator. He was a good soldier,
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rose to the rank of sergeant, qualifying as an expert
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with the M fourteen rifle. He qualified as a sharpshooter
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with THEM sixteen and the forty five caliber handgun. His
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military record was spoalis. He was given a National Defense
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Service Medal and a parachute badge. Yet as highly trained
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as he was, Reaver never did what he signed him
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to do. He never got to go to Vietnam. There
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were jobs needed to be on state side even during
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that conflict, and he did what he was asked. He was,
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by all accounts, an excellent soldier. His experience in the
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military ironically also began to erode his faith in the
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US government. He was raised to wave the flag as
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hard as any other. God fear in apple pie and baseball,
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love and American, But the military was not Weaver thought
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it was going to be. He was reportedly disillusioned by
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the greatness and the corruption he saw on base. Once
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he told friends he was part of an army intelligence
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drug bust on base, he noticed that all the confiscated
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drugs were not turned over to the authorities like they
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were supposed to be if you followed the law to
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the letter.
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Randy wasn't pleased.
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He told a superior, and when he did tell that superior,
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that superior told him to mind his own business. He
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was treated as if he had done something wrong by
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reporting this. His experience did not sit well with him.
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He decided that, you know, his fellow soldiers were bullshit patriots, that.
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They were all in on it.
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In nineteen seventy, we were secured a temporary leave from
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Fort Bragg and returned to his hometown for a visit,
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back where things were wholesome, and he ran back into
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his old high school sweetheart, Vicky Jordison. He went out
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with Vicki Jordison almost every night when he got back,
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and that's how she got the nickname sticky Vicky, Sticky
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Vicky and handy Randy. No, that's not none, that's true.
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God, God damn it got here.
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Luciveena, stop stop staring back at juvenile you know humor
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full of hand jobs and sticky fingy finger bangs.
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I'm a grown man hosted a very serious podcast. No.
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Randy soon gave Vicky a ring, quickly declared that they
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were engaged. Are you crazy? Julie asked HER's sister, Julie Jordison,
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You just met this guy. But then Vicky reminded Julie
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that they had dated before, right, several years earlier, but
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the timing wasn't right then. Now it was, and they
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quickly got married a little more about that in a bit.
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In October nineteen seventy one, following three years of duty,
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Randy Weaver received an honorable discharge from the Army.
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He was ready to go.
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After a stint in the army, Randy moved home, grew
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his curly hair out long, grew out some wicked seventy
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sideburns in a decent stash, and then he was walking
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down the aisle with VICKI let's learn a little bit
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more about Vicky. Vicky was born June twentieth, nineteen forty nine,
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a year and a half after Randy, in a house
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on a lake between the central Iowa towns of Fort
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Dodge and Colville. Little town of around six hundred there
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was once home to a number of get ready to
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be shocked coal mines. Yeah, crazy right. Coleville, Iowa used
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to have a lot of coal mines. It doesn't appear
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that they're still active, but they could be. Not a
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lot of web info about Coleville in general right now.
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Vicky's father, David Jordison, was the third generation of his
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family to live in the family home, but when he
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moved his beautiful twenty two year old wife Jeannie into
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the house of nineteen forty five, they still didn't have electricity.
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Electricity came to the family home a little while after
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Vicky was born. What a different time? Can you imagine
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living without electricity? I can't wouldn't be doing this. Goodbye podcasts.
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Vicki had two younger siblings, Lanny and Julie, and a
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whole mess of cousins running around. Vicki was a talented
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and attractive child born into a family of talented and
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attractive kids, and according to her relatives, even amongst these
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other kids, she still stood out for being extra awesome.
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Those who knew her grown up said she could do anything.
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She was a smart, curious child, always reading. She could sew, cook, knit,
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finish furniture. She could seemingly pick up things without ever,
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you know, bothering to study him. From the beginning, her
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parents said they felt like they were having conversations with
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a little adult. The Jordisons, like the Weavers, were also
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at religious family, but unlike the Weavers, they weren't all
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on the same religious page. Dad David was a devoted
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member of the Reformed Mormon Church we learned about that
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branch back in the Suck on Mormonism, and Genie was
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a Congregationalist. And on Sundays the kids went with Dad
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to the local RLDS church while.
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Genie stayed at home.
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Interesting, I feel like traditionally that usually goes the other
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way around, not saying it should, but moms usually seemed
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to win out over dad's when it comes to things
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like where's the family going to church? But you know,
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I guess Dad put his reorganized church in Jesus Christ
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Load Day Saints known as Communities Christ.
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Church not foot down.
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After church kids went to the RLDS Sunday School, Dad
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went to a Bible class where he talked about current
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events and church prophecy. And then when David left, I'm
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guessing everyone else Stair talks about his wife not coming
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with him to church and how sad it must be
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for his family, and Dear God, what was wrong with her?
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And doesn't she care about her soul?
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Living in Iowa, Vicki witnessed the US government is starting
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his power in a way that didn't sit well with her.
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A few times when she was a tiny tot, her
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family's favorite tree was torn down to make way for
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the electrification of their home, and then later the family
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farm itself was put on the chopping block, strongly against
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her family's wishes, cut up to make way for a
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new highway eminent domain. Like Randy, she didn't like bullies either,
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and she felt that she had seen the government behave
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like a bully.
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On a few occasions.
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On a few occasion, Vicky did well in school, mostly
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getting a's. She attended the same eye with Central Community
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College that Randy did. After she graduated from high school
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in nineteen sixty seven. Two years later, Vicki graduated from
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icc C with an associate's degree in business, took a
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job as a secretary at Sears back when Sears had secretaries,
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and she ran back into Randall Weaver, who was not
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known as Handy Randy but was known to family and
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friends at the time as Pete.
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Not sure how Randall becomes Pete.
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Especially when your middle name is Claude, right, he had,
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he had numerous first names to pick from, and they
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went with Pete. How weird are nicknames, by the way, Like,
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did Joe Paisley ever think before he took a job
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here that he would ever be known to some as
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micro pen or is horse Cock Johnson to others?
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I strongly doubt it.
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When I was in Washington, DC recently, I met a
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guy after one of my shows who asked me to
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sign something for his buddy Squishy, since Squishy couldn't make
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the show. And when he said that, naturally, I said,
486
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I'm sorry, did you say Squishy? He's like yeah, And
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then I was like, how the hell does someone get
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the nickname of Squishy? And I thought the answer would
489
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be a little creepy, and it was creepier than I expected.
490
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His buddy said that when he was a kid school,
491
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janitor picked him up for a hug and then told
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him he felt squishy.
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I shit, you not. And I was like, dude, you're
494
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making this up. And he's like nope.
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And then other kids started calling him squishy and the
496
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name stuck and it sticks to this day. And I
497
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said that Janitor sounds creepy as fuck, and he said
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that that's what him and the rest of his friends
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all told Squishy. But Squishy was like, no, no, he
500
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was super cool. Well, if you're listening Squishy, he doesn't
501
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sound cool. You might want to leave town. You might
502
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want to start a new life and never talk about
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that janitor again.
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My holy shit, dude. I mean, good for you for
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embracing it, but Squishy.
506
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Come on, that's worse than handy Randy. Back to VICKI,
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now regular old Vicky, not sticky Vicki. November nineteen seventy one,
508
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Randy Victoria get married to his ceremony at the First
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Congregational Church in Fort Dodge, Iowa, and, in an attempt
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to impress and or appease Vicky's family, the couple arranges
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for two ministers to conduct the ceremony, a minister from
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the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
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and the congressionalist pastor. So super nice move on Randy's part,
514
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classy move bending over backwards to a peasy and laws
515
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stroking them both off, foking, classic handy.
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Randy, I'm so sorry. I know that joke's robe ware thin.
517
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:17.279
It's all I can think about every time I talk
518
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about anything about him. Okay, focus. After the wedding, Randy
519
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and Vicky move across the States. It's here falls College
520
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Channel around forty thousand fine Iowa folks, where Randy planned
521
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to use his GI bill alone to go to college
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at Northern Iowa University. Vicky was plenty to work as
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a secretary for a while, then hopefully, you know, say
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goodbye to her day job and be a housewife and
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a mother. And it is a bummer that more people
526
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can't do that anymore, thanks to how much the economy
527
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in the US has shifted since the seventies, thanks to
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wages that have been way too stagnant compared to the
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cost of rent, mortgages, healthcare, higher education. More tragic that
530
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.720
more families can't survive on just one income if that's
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their preference, right, which things cost less so great for
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the kids. One parent doesn't have to work, can be
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a full time parent homemaker, which I do realize is
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shit out of work. So shout out to all the
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moms and dads out there who are able to do that,
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especially if you love it.
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I'm pretty career oriented myself.
538
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I've known for years that as much as I love
539
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my kids, and I do love this shit out of
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my son Kyler and Dono Monroe, the path of homemaker
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was not ideal for me. But I have enormous respect
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and admiration for homemakers. What you're able to give your
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kids is magical.
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Hope.
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You take a lot of pride in that. I don't
546
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feel like the society values it as much as it
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used to.
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I think he should take.
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A lot of pride in that you're appreciated immensely by
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some of us.
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And Cedar falls.
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Randy and Rolls at the University of Northern Iowa to
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study criminal justice. Ironically, in nineteen seventy two, he actually
554
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wanted to become an FBI agent or join the Secret Service,
555
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two agencies he would come into standoff with later in
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life so he could help weed out corruption that he
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saw in the government. However, after only two semesters, he
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dropped out because the tuition was too expensive. If only
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he could have worked out his life's path would have
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been very different. He would have followed a different trajectory.
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Trajectory odds are after dropping out of school, Randy got
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Way into Amway, which I don't think is a real
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great sign. I know some people have made a lot
564
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of money, and that for sure pyramid scheme, but getting
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00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.359
into Amway always every time reeks of extreme desperation to me. Again,
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if it's working for you, I mean, God bless you.
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If you don't know what Amway is, it's hand jobs.
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It's a pyramid scheme where the more handy randies you
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dole out, the more money you make off of the
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people who you talk and to slanging out those handy randies.
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I'm such a child if.
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You don't know what Amway is, short for American Way
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Space just outside of Grand Rapids, Michigan, where I have
574
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unsuccessfully made fun of Amway many times over the years
575
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to the crowd's dismay. It's an American multi level marketing
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company that sells health beauty and home care products. And
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the more you get other people to buy, you know,
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products that you know under you, the more you make.
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And then if someone you you know, if you're able
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to sign up somebody to get other people to buy
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products from them, you make a little money off those
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sales as well.
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And if they sign up other.
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People under them to get other people to buy stuff
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like you continue to make a you know, increasingly smaller
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percentage as it goes. It's a classic Pyramids key, and
587
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.519
Randy got real into it for bid. He talked to
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Vicki into selling it. He talked to other family members
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into doing it, as Mway tends to do. If you
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get if you know, if you have a relative who've
591
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.720
got in an am weight, it's like, dude, shut the
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00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.839
fuck up about Amway. I get it, fine, I'll buy
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00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:16.960
your stupid bote events if you just stop talking about it.
594
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But he get you know. But then it doesn't go
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as well as he wanted it to.
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And after a few months, you know, when he doesn't
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catch on, like wildfire, his love affair with Amway is over.
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And then in nineteen seventy two he applies for it
599
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and gets a high paying job at a local John
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Deere tractor factory in the neighboring city of Waterloo, an
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industrial town about seventy thousand people butts up against cedar
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falls in eastern Iowa. And he made good money working
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for John Deere, a company headquartered just two hours away
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in Maline, Illinois.
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He was a young dude, got long hair, He got.
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A sweet stash, probably some fucking sick aviator shades, bell bottoms,
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rocking a new sports car. I feel like I'm talking
608
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:52.039
about my dad right now. This is my dad in
609
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.359
the seventies, young blue collar dude, sweet stash, new corvette.
610
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.000
Randy had a burnt orange Corvette for a while, then
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a Triumph Frozer, and then a two forty Z. Fuck yeah, bro,
612
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:09.079
what are you driving Mercury Cougar, Chevy Nova? Okay, Cullis,
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00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.039
Come on, bro, let your chest hair out, put on
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a pinky ring, hop into a Dots and motherfucker. In
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00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.319
addition to his sweet Dots in two forty z got
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my neighbor had one of those, grown up and I
617
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.799
did think, Man, that's a fucking sick car. Someday I'm
618
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.359
gonna have a Dots in two forty z Randy bought,
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you know, trucks and motorcycles. He's buying snowmobiles and fishing.
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Life is good.
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Life is good right now for the Weavers. They could
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have just stayed in this lane, we wouldn't be talking
623
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.400
about him. Randy and Vicki, they're still, you.
624
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.359
Know, young. They buy a house, a well kept rancher
625
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and cedar fallis. They're killing it.
626
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:45.440
Randy is the envy of many of the people around him.
627
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.359
He's crushing life, smooth sailing. He's probably rocking a little
628
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.039
bit of Jim Crochey out of that sweet Dotson blasted
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00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.000
it off of that eight track, and it's bad, bad
630
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.799
Lee Roy Brown, badest man in the whole damn town.
631
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Batter than Oh King Cown.
632
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.079
Mean no, They in a junk yard, dog, you know,
633
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.440
fucking hitting floor in it, off the stop sign. Come on,
634
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.519
roll those windows down, bro Let that smooth breeze, kiss
635
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:12.720
those sweet feathered banks.
636
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:15.880
Weaver was also idealistic.
637
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Family member saw him as an exuberant man who threw
638
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.279
his energy into whatever came his way. He was always
639
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.119
going one hundred and fifty, you know, miles an hour
640
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.640
in whatever direction he was heading, whether it was amway,
641
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.759
whether it was sports cars or his new obsession in
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00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.960
the mid seventies, silver and precious metals. Yep, Randy got
643
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:33.720
way to precious metals in the mid seventies. And again,
644
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.960
I swear this so many times during this suck, I'm like,
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00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:36.960
am I talking about my dad or.
646
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:37.960
Am I talking about Randy Weaver.
647
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.359
Randy believed that the dollar would soon become devalued since
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it wasn't backed by gold standard, and precious metals were
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00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.759
gonna be the only way for people to survive. The
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00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.559
US effectively abandoned the gold standard in nineteen thirty three,
651
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.480
and then President Nixon completely severed the link between the
652
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.279
dollar and gold in nineteen seventy one, part of what
653
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.039
was called the Nixon Shock. Way too complicated to try
654
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.359
and explain here. My dad used to talk about investing
655
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in precious metals growing up. He talked about the value
656
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of the dollar plumberting due to not being backed by gold.
657
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Right has that happened? This was a good excuse for
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00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.799
me to look into this. I mean, my dad got
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so old of this. He was literally hiding gold dust
660
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in the walls of the house. At one point, if
661
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you invested one thousand dollars in the market in nineteen
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seventy one. For example, just for even easy numbers, if
663
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you invested in the Dow Jones, Like if you got
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yourself a piece of an index fund and just rode
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the general economy of the US, you'd have almost twenty
666
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one thousand r I'm sorry, you'd have roughly twenty one thousand,
667
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one hundred and sixty eight dollars today according to online calculators,
668
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Like if you didn't touch any of the money, and
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if you just reinvested the dividends, if you invested one
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thousand dollars in gold in nineteen seventy one, or sorry,
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seventy three, it's seventy three, seventy three. I changed it,
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and I forgot to change one of my notes. So
673
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just for accuracy, I'm talking about nineteen seventy three through
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twenty twenty. So economy one thousand equals twenty one thousand,
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one hundred and sixty eight. Gold in seventy three equals
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one thousand dollars equals three thousand dollars thirty seven today,
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so very different. So gold would be it would be
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00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.839
a good investment, but not even nearly as good as
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betting on the overall economy, which is kind of like
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betting on the dollar. All the paranoia of the economy
681
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collapsing because the dollar isn't backed by a precious metal
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00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.960
has thus far been completely unjustified. And I hope my
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dad doesn't listen to this episode because you know that
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knowledge only make him super duper sad at this point.
685
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For the rest of you just know the historically, over
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the long run, betting on the overall strength of the
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US economy has been a very good investment. As the
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price of silver, I know we're talking about gold and
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silver here. As the price of silver began to climb
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in the seventies, Randy gave silver medallions and coins out
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as gifts, talked family members into investing heavily. This is
692
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super unfortunate because in the late eighties the price is
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silver collapsed.
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Whoops.
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The price of silver pronounce reached a high of almost
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one hundred and eighteen dollars in nineteen eighty.
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By ninety three, it had fallen to less than seven
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dollars an ounce.
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Oh well, Randy and VICKI stopped caring about the price
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of silver instead begun to focus on something that has
701
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.000
never helped out a single person's life. Ever, despite millions
702
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.240
and millions of people being obsessed with it over the
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last couple of millennia, Doomsday prophecy yay Doomsday. Yes, the
704
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.519
Weavers got real into worrying about the imminent end of
705
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the world the Second Coming. The couple began to harbor
706
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.319
some pretty die hard fundamentalist beliefs in the late seventies,
707
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.079
and those beliefs just were hardened over the next decade
708
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and a half. Vicky had always been religious, but now
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00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.839
she began to study the Bible religiously upun not intended,
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00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.480
she began to really study it. She grew positive that
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she was being led to study it because God wanted
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her to know that the apocalypse was imminent. Right here
713
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.079
we go again, when has this mentality worked out for
714
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.920
a single fucking person ever? Thinking the world is about
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to end, making life decisions based on that end has
716
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.319
literally never worked out for anyone. This new mentality of
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00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.880
the Weavers feels very connected to the early obsession with
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investing in silver because precious metals are going to hold
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onto their value over the dollar because the economy is
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going to collapse, right the government's falling apart, the world's
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everything's falling apart, this mentality, the military is morally bankrupt,
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everything's bad. Starting to get a real good picture of
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the Weavers here, and it reminds me of some of
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my dad's friends around Riggins, Idaho in the mid and
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late nineties. Everything's corrupt, everything's going to shit. I had
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better prepare for the for the end of the world.
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Thank god, the world's going to end in such a
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terrible place. In nineteen seventy eight, the Weaver family is
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introduced to a book that would help ruin their lives
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called The Late Great Planet Earth, written by Hal Lindsay
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and CC Carlson. The book was very popular at the
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time among so called truth seekers with backgrounds like the Weavers.
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It was written almost like a long letter directly to readers,
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you know, like Randy and VICKI stop an occasion to
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ask if they were getting it, if all the pieces
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were finally starting to come together. The book introduced thousands
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of people to doomsday interpretations of Old Testament prophecies at
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a time when the country as a whole was in
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the middle of a born again movement. The huge bestseller
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convinced many that they were living in the times in
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this book, I'm attempting to step aside and let the
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prophets speak. Lindsay and CC wrote, if my readers care
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to listen, they are given the freedom to accept or
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reject the conclusions. Well, the book ascribed modern definitions to
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old a New Testament word. For instance, Gog, the evil
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empire spoken of in Ezekiel was for sure the Soviet
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Union now, and the ten horns of the Beast from
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revelations described obviously open your eyes, sheep, the ten nations
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of the Common Market of Europe. All the signs are
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right there hiding in playing sight. The book show how
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biblical prophecy could be used to predict an upcoming Arab
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Israeli war that would definitely trigger a nuclear holocaust between
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the US and the Soviet Union, and for sure bring
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about armageddon. And there was like a ninety nine point
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ninety nine nine percent chance that all of this was
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definitely going to happen no later than nineteen eighty nine,
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the eighties.
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That was it. The world would go on no further.
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And again I feel like I'm talking about my dad,
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my dad's father Hit. My grandfather was a Pentecostal minister
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who got real into this exact type of shit. I'm
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positive he was very familiar with how Lindsay, and he
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convinced my dad growing up to the world was definitely
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gonna end in the eighties. And my dad says that
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was one of the main reasons he did not bother
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going to college. What was the point your bachelors or
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master's degree wasn't gonna be worth anything, you know, when
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God and his minions began battling the devil on an
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apocalyptic you know, playing field of Earth, Right, it's just
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gonna be a big nightmare.
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So why bother? And what has this how Lindsay piece
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of ship and up to since the nineteen.
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Seventies, still living, still living, despite constantly talking about the
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world being about to end any second, still making a
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plenty of money, selling more books. The nerve of this
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douchebag telling everyone the world's going to end, getting all
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kinds of people terrified. People who do that then don't
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properly plan for the future because.
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There won't be one.
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And then, of course, the world does not end, and
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the finances of a lot of people who thought it
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was going to end are totally fucked up. Like you're
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not exactly maxing out your IRA or your four to
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one k or folks, and on buying and investment properties
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if you think the world's going to end right, But
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dickheads like how Lindsay they end up doing just fine
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when their prophecies failed to come to fruition.
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Right after their predictions do not.
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Come to pass, they just sell more books about how
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the world is going to end.
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Now.
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It's infuriating. I hate people like Hal Lindsay. How is
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also the author and popular of the popular Satan is
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Alive and Well on Planet Earth. That was a big
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hit in nineteen seventy two, fun book about how New
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Age spiritualism was for sure satanic. Watch out for that
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Hippi trying to sell you crystals. That's the devil. He's
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put down the pitchfork and now he's picked up some
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Zeppelin records. Hal also wrote the nineteen eighties Countdown to Armageddon,
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first publish in nineteen eighty two, There's a New World
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Coming published in nineteen eighty four, and Satan You Can
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Suck My Cock published sometime last year JK. He did
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write The Final Battle, published in nineteen ninety five. I
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wonder if that book has an intro. That is just
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a huge apology for convincing everyone the world was going
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to end. You know, many years earlier he published Apocalypse
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Code nineteen ninety seven, Planet Earth the Final Chapter. I
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mean you get the picture here nineteen ninety eight. He
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published many other stupid, useless, harmful books. And he's still
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around today. He's still a fire and brimstone dickhead, still
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talking about the world ending, And if you don't mind,
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I'd like to take a few minutes to shit all
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over his ignorant, spiteful, harmful beliefs in today's idiots of
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the Internet, Idiots and the Internet. For today's comments, I
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chose posts from underneath. The video published less than a
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year ago on how Lindsay's own YouTube channel. He's up
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there in years, but he's still chicking around putting out
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messages up there out on the youtubees. This was published
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on March fourteen, twenty nineteen. It's titled how Lindsey Report
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Update and Armageddon King of the North. Of course, this
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video has Armageddon the title. Who stays on brand? It's
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how saying the same stupid shit he's always been saying
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his entire fucking worthless life.
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That the world is the dead of sin.
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God is not happy about it. The signs of the
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end times are all around us. Jesus is coming back
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any second, and I'm gonna say some hateful stuff, but
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if you stick around until the end of the segment,
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you'll see it comes from a place of love, honestly,
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especially a place of love for Christians. User Rob Cernek
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posts how Lindsey, stay strong, love your godly counsel. I
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read late Great Planet Earth nineteen eighties Countdown to Armageddon.
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You are a biblical genius and you and use and
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used of God to give I don't know what he's
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trying to say there. It's very poorly written, but he
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says you'r a biblical genius and you give people hope
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in scary times. And then he says themself that it
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makes no sense Jewish God bless you.
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How is how a genius? Rob? He thought the eighties
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were the countdown to Armageddon and he was.
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Fucking way off. That's the opposite of genius. He's thirty
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years late in counting. The book wasn't titled The Countdown
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to Armageddon. It was titled The nineteen eighties Countdown to Armageddon.
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And you think he's a genius.
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Okay.
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Another user with an account name of doctor Keith Conkle
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end Times Bible prophecy posts, of course Jesus is coming soon,
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all caps in about I don't know.
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Fifteen exclamation points, how soon, Doctor Keith nineteen eighties soon,
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nice channel name.
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By the way, man ideas are like viruses, They infect
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and they spread. I'm guessing hal is the guy who
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infected doctor Keith, and now who knows how many others
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Keith is infected. I checked out doctor Keith's YouTube channel,
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did some Google it, even found his Facebook profile, and
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no mention of what he has a doctorate in. I
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am strongly assuming if he indeed does have a doctorate,
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it was given to him via a non accredited online institution.
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Gonna go out in a limb and say it didn't
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come from seven plus years of rigorous academic study at
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a brick and mortar institution, Guessing it came from a
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place against a little cavalier they're used of the term doctor.
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User Andrew zick Ando doesn't care from some disrespect he
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finds in the common thread coming towards how that I
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did not find myself, But he posts for you that
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disrespected this man of God. I feel very sad how
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confused you are. Hopefully the Lord changes you because he
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has brought many to Christ Jesus Andrew. You seem like
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a nice guy. Why are you wasting your time defending
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this jackass. There's a lot of great Christian ministers out there.
871
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Go and find one of those, defend them. Defend their
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message of love and forgiveness and of doing your best
873
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to live a righteous life while understanding that you're still
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prone to suffering from the human condition, but that that's
875
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okay because God still has love for you. Go find
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the dude preaching about that. Get away from how Lindsay.
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User Cynthia writes, doctor Lindsay, my son is gay. He's
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an atheist. Also, he says the Bible isn't true. He
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was raised better than that. I don't know what to do.
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He's an intelligent man. He refuses to hear anything about God.
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Maybe you have some answers for me, right and yes,
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technically Hal is also a doctor. If you caught that
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Doctor Lindsay there. In nineteen ninety four, he earned the
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doctorate or his Doctorate of Theology from the California Graduate
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School of Theology, which is now known as Haven University.
886
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It's a real place, but if you got a doctor
887
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from them, you're not a real doctor. Their website lists
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ten faculty members roughly total. Get the fuck out of
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here with that bullshit. Pretending that you're a doctor devalues
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the title. Real doctors work so hard to attain, and
891
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Haven you you're going to study one interpretation of the
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Bible from guessing about I don't know six months. Not
893
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saying that's super easy, but it's not the same as
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having a PhD in mathematics or botany, or medicine or
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English lit. Or almost anything at all. Your doctor should
896
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have an asterix behind it. It's like having a doctorate
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in cryptozoology or ghosts or anything else you can't scientifically
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prove is real.
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And I'm not saying God is it real.
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I'm saying you can't prove it in the same way
901
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that you can prove like limestone.
902
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Is real, or that horses are real.
903
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You can study geology typically, you can study veterinarian medicine
904
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in a different way than theology.
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It's just a pet peeve Cynthia.
906
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Please stop being a shitty mom, right, love your son
907
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and hope that if God exists, he'll understand it's either
908
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that or judge him for the rest of his or
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your life. Increase the obvious tension between the two of
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you and deprive him of a mother's unconditional love.
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Is that what you want?
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You're not going to convert him to heterosexuality doesn't work
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like that. Let the dream die. Science has proven over
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and over again that homosexuality is not a choice. So
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pull your head out of the dark ages and let
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him believe what he wants to believe. You can go
917
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to church, he can go to Starbucks, to the gym,
918
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and then you two can meet up afterwards for a
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nice mother son brunch where he can talk to you
920
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about his dating life and you can try not to
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think about where your baby boy is putting his dick.
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All right, how does not have answers for you? Stop
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asking him, Cynthia. He should have lost all his credibility
924
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on January first, nineteen ninety or the latest January first,
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nineteen ninety one.
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If you're one of those real anal.
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Retentive nitpickers who refuse to acknowledge nineteen ninety as being
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part of the nineties, like almost everyone else, user Dwayne
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Williams needs to spend less time watching how more time
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studying history. He writes, as a society, we're becoming more
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violent by the day. Anyone we disagree with It's almost
932
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like we'd be willing to kill them because of their opinion.
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Absolutely no love of God or for our fellow man,
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only hate. Three words for you, Dwayne Glad the Impaler.
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Things are a lot better than used to be. Things
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were way fucking more terrible back in Lad's day, back
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in the fifteenth century, way more violent to use your
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word one. A more recent example of a more violent time,
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Adolf Hitler. Let's go more recent, Paul pot khmer rouge.
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If you think that you know God is coming back
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soon because things are just so especially sinful and violent
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and terrible now, you don't know fuck all about history.
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You're making a nonsensical, ignorant argument.
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Okay.
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Two more user mister Wisdom, So you know this guy
946
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is going to be super smart posts. Yes, I agree
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that people have become more ignorant. I've seen so much
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stupidity these last couple months that would leave you speechless.
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We need Jesus so badly. Let's keep on praying and
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worshiping our King Jesus, who is coming back soon. The
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fucking irony you're condemning ignorance by agreeing with how Lindsay.
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How Lindsay is the king of ignorance. He rants and
953
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rants about how the world has never been more evil
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because he's apparently oblivious to history, and he's literally made
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a career out of making false predictions.
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God.
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Last one user Mark Peden, leaves the comment why would
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a man want to become a woman and vice versa.
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I'm glad I'm not around any of this nonsense, and
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in the context of this comment thread, this is written
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to me in an obvious tone of oh my god,
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things have never been more perverse and sexually immoral like
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they are now. And again, it's a nonsense argument. It's
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not true. Even if it was immoral to be transgender,
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which I do not believe it to be, you would
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still be wrong.
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You would still again fail to understand history. Right.
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Think about the Roman Empire, Mark Peden, Let's talk about
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the Roman practice of pederaste. Roman men were free to
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enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of
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masculinity or social status, as long as they took the
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dominant or penetrative role, which I don't think is a
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moral problem as long as we're talking about consenting adults.
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But back in Rome, that right extended to men having
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sex with boys, in particular slave boys. Roman citizens having
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sex with slave boys might not have been constantly and
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openly discussed, but it was certainly happening, and it was
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certainly not illegal. You could have sex with your slave boys,
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whether they wanted you to or not, and you could
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00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.119
have sex with other men's slave boys if the owner
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said it was cool. The first century BCE Roman dramatists
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Quintus Novius wrote that boys were more attractive at the
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onset of puberty, and that the sexual use of boys
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00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:46.920
ceased after their butts became Harry Gaius Lucilius, a second
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00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.960
century BC poets or BCE poet, drew comparisons between anal
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00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.079
sex with boys and vaginal sex with females. So, Mark Peden,
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00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.039
are you saying that God was cool with the rampant
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ass raping of boys in the Roman Empire? Is that
989
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.280
why the rapture didn't occur back then? But now he's
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00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.119
so pissed about sex changes he wants to fucking tear
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00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.000
it all down. It's a nonsense argument, makes zero sense.
992
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.760
And if you're thinking, yeah, but that was before Jesus died,
993
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.880
that doesn't apply as far as Christian's second Coming logic goes. Well, No,
994
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.880
this Roman behavior continued, continued during the first few centuries
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00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.000
CE after death right ad so that argument is null
996
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.840
and void. And I say all this with love. Please,
997
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.920
if you're a Christian, don't waste your time focusing on
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00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.519
the end days. There's a lot of love and forgiveness
999
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.400
you can focus on instead, So why don't you do that?
1000
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.760
Just do that right, I'll bet you'd be a lot happier.
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00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.960
Don't waste your time on clowns like how Lindsay? How
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00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.159
is ninety years old? Now he's still alive. I hope
1003
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.559
he sits down at his balls today. Then I hope
1004
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.039
he falls down when he tries to move off his
1005
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.320
balls and he breaks both his hips. Fuck hel Lindsay,
1006
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.119
that'll prick. All he's done is spread unnecessary panic and
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00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.119
fear over the course of his overly long and useless life.
1008
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.199
And now that he's on YouTube, just another idiot of
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00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:11.639
the internet, idiots and the Internet. And again I apologize
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00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.559
for my voice. I'm on a million decongestions in cold medicines.
1011
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.760
The doctor said, you know, it's just gonna it's gonna
1012
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.559
take five six days to break up and speak normal again.
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00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.480
Viruses. Why okay.
1014
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.039
So now we know a little bit more about how
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00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.840
Lindsay and the belief system he had. And this was
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00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.679
the belief system that the Weavers were getting into. They
1017
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.599
were digging this message hol spoke to them. They were
1018
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.360
worried about the end times. They were worried about the
1019
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.880
US economy collapsing. They were worried about the immorality of
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00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.000
US society. They feared God, they feared authority. They were fearsome,
1021
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.400
worried people. And Vicky's family began to worry about them.
1022
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.320
Vicky's family was watching them become more and more involved
1023
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.599
in their fundamentalist, you know, belief system, hearing them talk
1024
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.280
more and more about how the world was a terrible,
1025
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.159
evil place, a morally bankrupt place.
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00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.320
De cane before their very eyes. This is what life
1027
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:01.920
is going good for them, right. He has a good
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job and making good money.
1029
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.880
Another major book that influenced the couple was the fictional
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Alice Shrugged by Ann Rand, the founder of objectivism a
1031
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rand made philosophy revolving around reason and individual liberties. Vicki
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found the hero's struggle between the individual and the state
1033
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.760
prophetic and its action inspiring. The book paints a picture
1034
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.840
of a government so overbearing and immoral that creative people,
1035
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.920
led by a self reliant protagonist, go on strike and
1036
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.440
move to the mountains. You will win, the book's protagonist
1037
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.920
cries from his mountain hideout, when you are ready to
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00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.599
pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of
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00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.760
my battle, and for those who wish to know the
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00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.920
day of my return, I shall now repeat it to
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00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.880
the hearing of the world. I swear, by my life
1042
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and my love of it, that I will never live
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my life for the sake of another man, nor ask
1044
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another to live for mine. So the Weavers are getting
1045
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:50.239
ready to run for the hills right they want to
1046
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.800
go hide from the corrupt government. Vicky also is enjoying
1047
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some lesser known works of the writer HG. Wells, known
1048
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for his popular stories about time travel, space, and hidden civilization,
1049
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he also wrote some dark religious stories, like A Vision
1050
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of Judgment and a Dream of Armageddon. That second story
1051
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.840
has eerie similarities to what the Weavers would go through
1052
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.519
on Ruby Ridge and that well story, the main character
1053
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.800
dreams he's a great leader living with the woman in
1054
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.280
the future on a thousand foot cliff with a view
1055
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in several directions. On his cliff, men come to him
1056
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and tell him they are at war with him. Why
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00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.920
cannot you leave me alone? The dreamer asks, I have
1058
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.199
done away with these things. I have ceased to be
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anything but a private man, and then the story ends
1060
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with the man and the woman being killed. Also in
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the late seventies, Vicki started to have visions that she
1062
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thought were sent to her by God.
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So that's fun.
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While in the bathtub one night, Vicki claimed that she
1065
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had visions from God about their deaths and about great
1066
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violence and a cabin on a mountaintop. So pretty eerie
1067
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:50.440
or did it just make sense?
1068
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:51.119
Right?
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Is this all about self fulfilling prophecy? Would they end
1070
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.519
up just living out a lot of their own drama?
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They were also dreaming about living on a mountaintop removed
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from society at this time, so it does make sense.
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So she was thinking about mountaintops and they were worried about,
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you know, a government coming for them, So it actually
1075
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does make sense. Based on her thought processes. Randy also
1076
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had visions, So both of them having prophetic visions, you know,
1077
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reading a ton of doomsday shit. Weird that this would
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lead to something bad. Randy dreamed of a configurations of
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buildings on a hillside, a cabin and outbuildings, you know,
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buildings he would later build himself. Randy and VICKI also
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begin to identify as literalists because they believed that the
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Bible was the literal word of God and that all
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of it must be taken as truth, even the laws
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of the Old Testament, which you know many churches now
1085
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treat as arcane and kind of irrelevant dogma literalism. I'm
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going to risk being super offensive again and say that
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00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.039
literalism is fucking nonsense. Anyone who claims to truly be
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a biblical literalist concerning the Old Testament, I think you're
1089
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.599
kidding yourself, right. There are hundreds of things that the
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Old Testament prohibits you not to do. I have never
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met a single Christian who literally fought follow all of
1092
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the Bible, including the Old Testament, not a single one.
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00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.719
And you haven't either. Right, if you follow it literally,
1094
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.039
you're supposed to do there's so many rules. You're not
1095
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.519
supposed to mix fabrics, right, So don't be a fabric
1096
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.599
mix and heathen. Leviticus nineteen nineteen, King James version. You
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shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your livestock
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breed with another kind. You shall not sow your field
1099
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.039
with mixed seed, Nor shall a garment of mixed linen
1100
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.559
and wool come upon you no interpretation. Take that literally.
1101
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.519
You don't get to wear a polyester blend tracksuit, you
1102
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.239
fucking sinner.
1103
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.320
How dare you mix your fabrics right?
1104
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.559
That's the one thing that really chaps God's ass, the
1105
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.559
mixing of the fabrics. You're also not supposed to trim
1106
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.559
your beard either, if you're gonna take it literally, Leviticus
1107
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.280
nineteen twenty seven. You shall not shave around the sides
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00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.039
of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of
1109
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.440
your beard. No room for interpretation there, right, You gotta
1110
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.679
let your hair grow out. You know, despite a lot
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00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.159
of belief to the contrary, God only loves hippies, So
1112
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.559
stop offending God, you clean shaven dip shit.
1113
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.599
Look at you with your perfectly faded hair.
1114
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.000
No one of the Westboro Baptist Church is so mad
1115
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.159
at the US military they all got their fucking devil haircuts.
1116
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.159
I think you see how ridiculous it is to truly
1117
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.400
take it all literally. Again, I've never met a literalist
1118
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.519
who follows all of the Bible's teachings literally. I've met
1119
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.639
a ton who do a lot of cherry picking. Right,
1120
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.719
this first lines up with the you know, other beliefs
1121
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.519
they already have, so they'll follow that one, but they
1122
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.559
won't follow this other one, et cetera. So the weavers
1123
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.039
are getting crazier yet again. I feel like I'm researching
1124
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.639
people I knew growing up in Riggins. One family in particular,
1125
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:35.960
who I will not name, A family who also worried
1126
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.559
about the collapse of the US economy because of the
1127
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.599
dollar not being backed by gold. A family who also
1128
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.800
was convinced of armageddon coming soon. A family who claimed
1129
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.880
to be literalists. They like to follow Biblical quotes such
1130
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.159
as Leviticus eighteen twenty two, thou shalt not lie with
1131
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:50.840
mankind as with womankind.
1132
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.840
It is an abomination, super homophobic.
1133
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.360
But then they would ignore the Book of the rest
1134
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.960
of Leviticus Versus like nineteen thirty three and nineteen thirty four,
1135
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.800
which instruct to be kind and welcoming to immigrants.
1136
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:04.400
How often is this one being preached?
1137
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.679
It says in the King James version, if a stranger
1138
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.360
sojourn with thee in your land, you shall not vex him.
1139
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.440
But the stranger that dwells with you shall be unto
1140
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.920
you as one born among you, and you shall love
1141
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.239
him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land
1142
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:26.039
of Egypt. I am the Lord, your god right supposed
1143
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.360
to welcome immigrants, according to Leviticus. Treat them as your own,
1144
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:31.519
treat them as one of you, because you were once
1145
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.480
an immigrant. Sorry if I'm going overboard driving some of
1146
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.239
these points home, But it does piss me off because
1147
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.519
I just fucking is one of the things that the
1148
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:41.679
chaff might ask more than anything else in the world
1149
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.480
because of my upbringing. People who are like, oh, you
1150
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.079
gotta follow you. Look at this, Look what it says
1151
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.199
right here. Yeah, then take it all, motherfucker. If you're
1152
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.639
gonna be literalists, then follow it all or shut the
1153
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:52.199
fuck up.
1154
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:53.880
Oh man.
1155
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.159
Randy Weaver reminds me so much of people I grew
1156
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.960
up knowing. I feel like I truly understand where him
1157
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.159
and Vicky were coming from. I think there's some good
1158
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.719
lessons to be learned from their tragedy that their life became.
1159
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I don't think that they were all bad people and
1160
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.599
were totally bad. I just think I think there were
1161
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.079
batshit crazy in some ways. I think they wanted to
1162
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.199
live moral lives. But then I think, you know, they
1163
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.599
fell into this kind of weird dogmatic trap of litteralist interpretation,
1164
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.719
and they succumbed to all this apocalyptic nonsense, and it
1165
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.239
did them a great disservice, as I think it does
1166
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:27.199
to everyone else who follows that line of thought. The
1167
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.800
Weavers decided they would only read the King James version
1168
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of the Bible going forward, because Vicky now believes that
1169
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other translations are not divinely inspired and are pagan influenced.
1170
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.679
I've heard that rhetoric rhetoric too. My paternal grandma once
1171
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.559
told me that all Catholics were going to burn in
1172
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.119
hell for sure, because Satan had infiltrated the early Catholic
1173
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Church and destroyed the Bible. Fucking craziness. They started having
1174
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.199
lots of Bible study sessions at home. There would be
1175
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.199
anywhere from four to ten people at the Weaver's house
1176
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:57.719
sometimes as often as four nights a week talking about
1177
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all this. Randy led the Bible study most time, but
1178
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everyone read chapters and commented on what they might mean.
1179
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Vicky was a scripturalist and scholar of the group, or
1180
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you know, the main one. It was as if she
1181
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had memorized the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, Acts to Zechariah.
1182
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She knew she knew what God wanted. She was convinced,
1183
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you know that she knew. She convinced Randy of what
1184
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.000
she knew. And if Randy knew something, he found it
1185
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.039
impossible not to tell other people about it. He was
1186
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.639
that kind of guy, co workers, neighbors. He wanted to
1187
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.239
talk to everyone. Everything with him was was either right
1188
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.199
or it was wrong. It was very much like black
1189
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and white, rigid thinking.
1190
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You know.
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He tossed off authoritative opinions constantly. In the late seventies,
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he began to warn anyone who would listen about current politics,
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tell them to repent, you know, launch into biblical prophecy
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regarding the end times. You know, he sounded like he
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was becoming someone I would much rather throw down the
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stairs and have to listen to for more than ten minutes.
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It wasn't long before Randy found a group of about
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ten other men who felt the same way he did.
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They were born again coffee swilling Christians who met at
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a Theater Falls restaurant called Sambo's. They'd meet there at night,
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debating and sharing scripture. He was super into all this.
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He's talking about it once a week at the diner.
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He's talking about it three four times, you know, more,
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00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.559
every week with Vicki and friends at home. At one
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home Bible study, Randy and Vicki interpreted a verse of
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00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.639
revelation the Beast caused us all both small and great,
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00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.400
rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark
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in their right hand or on their foreheads, and that
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00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.400
no man might buy or sell save he that had
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the mark or the name of the Beast, or the
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number of his name. And his number is six hundred
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three score and six six six six the Beast. Randy
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00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.440
said this was a metaphor for computers. Soon, he said,
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everyone would be cataloged on computers, burths, schooling, purchases, homes,
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00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.280
every credit card connected as they.
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00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.039
Are by computers with mark, people with the number of
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00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:47.360
the Beast.
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Vicky said, of course, once the currency was devalued and
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finally changed. No man could buy or sell without a
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credit card without six six six. There was going to
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00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.000
be a big social breakdown. Randy would say. The government
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00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.760
would use the opportunity to declare martial law, crushing democracy,
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killing the good Christian Americans. People would be riding in
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00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.159
the streets the traders. Government would turn against its own people.
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The only protection would be clusters of good Christians with guns.
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This might be a good time to point out that
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there was still a decent percentage of Northern Idahoans who
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00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.880
have very similar beliefs living here currently. One of the
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00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:21.960
last times I walked into the local nutri shop, two
1230
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:25.960
employees were openly talking about Hollywood elites making sacrifices to
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00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:29.320
the demon Bofemet, as if that was a a normal
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thing to believe and b okay to talk about in
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front of customers. I remember my dad talking about stuff
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00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.199
like that in the early nineties he briefly returned to
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00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.920
his fundamentalist doomsday roots, and I remember he and my
1236
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.480
stepmom at the time talking about how the New World
1237
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.320
Order government was going to implant chips and all of
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00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.800
the citizens and have the mark of the Beast and
1239
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:48.440
you know, and if you didn't have the mark of
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00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.400
the beast you would be able to buy or sell.
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00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:52.480
You have to basically take off and hide out in
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00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.000
the hills and barter or fend for yourself.
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Wait for the entime. It's also crazy.
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00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.239
We will have chip implants someday and it will be
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glorious because then we won't have to worry about losing
1246
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.519
our credit cards anymore. Right, it's just a different form
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00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.159
of credit card that happens to be under your skin.
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00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.360
It'll be convenient, and it's not gonna have shit to
1249
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.400
do with the Christian devil. In the early eighties, after
1250
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.159
years of being super into all this, all this apocalyptic shit,
1251
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.320
having their profitic visions and so many Bible study sessions,
1252
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.159
Randy and Vicki decided it was time to get off
1253
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.039
the grid and head to northern Idaho.
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00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:23.920
Awesome.
1255
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:26.719
Vicky came up with the plan to survive in the
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00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:30.079
apocalypse that involved moving away from corrupt civilization, and the
1257
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:31.360
Weaver family did just that.
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In the early eighties.
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They moved to a twenty acre property in remote Ruby Ridge, Idaho,
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00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.960
built a cabin there, paid only five thousand dollars cash
1261
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.480
for the land, right they aren't using some mark of
1262
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.000
the Beast credit card. Are are gonna write some kind
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00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.559
of devil check. I'm sure they used check, but you know,
1264
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:48.559
you know what I mean. I'm not gonna use some.
1265
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:49.320
Kind of devil credit.
1266
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.079
They built their home cheaply as well, doing the work themselves,
1267
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.159
used mainly leftover materials.
1268
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.480
It's kind of like the thrift store equivalent of a house.
1269
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.960
They homeschooled their kids and guns and God as well,
1270
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:03.480
was writing an arithmetic and lived pretty much off the grid.
1271
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They had no electricity, no running water, and for the
1272
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.239
next ten years they raised seemingly happy, healthy and kind
1273
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.679
of end to the time zombie apocalypse ready kids. And
1274
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.719
then the apocalypse did not happen, but hell did come
1275
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.639
to the Weavers, and in the form of an arms
1276
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.880
standoff with US law enforcement. We're gonna get to the
1277
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.280
standoff that would put the Weavers into the national spotlight
1278
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.039
during today's time. Suck timeline in just a moment, But
1279
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.440
first let's look at the history of the white supremacy
1280
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.960
movement that would surround the Weavers important to today's narrative.
1281
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.320
I would surround them in Ruby Ridge and surround their
1282
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.800
story in the media. The stigma of white supremacists involved
1283
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.559
in the Ruby Ridge standoff haunts Northern Idaho to this day.
1284
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:44.440
It's so annoying.
1285
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.000
When I told some of my Los Angeles friends I
1286
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.599
was heading Northern Idaho, skinheads was one of the first
1287
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.440
words they tossed around. When I asked them to come
1288
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.880
visit and see that it wasn't so bad, several of
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00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:56.960
my Jewish friends half jokingly said that they would never
1290
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.000
visit Northern Idaho. Mixing things up was local white supremacist
1291
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.920
is where the real trouble began for the Weavers. Well,
1292
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.000
Randy Weaver never officially joined the Area Nations. Much of
1293
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.679
his standoff story revolves around the ideas of that group.
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01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:13.920
Randy has been labeled a white supremacist and neo Nazi,
1295
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:16.840
a white nationalist by the media. According to Weaver himself,
1296
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.719
he never embraced their ideology. However, he did attend several
1297
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.880
summertime camp meetings at a nearby Arian Brotherhood compound in Hayden,
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01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.840
Ido over several years with his family. He brought his kids,
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01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:31.440
which you know, kind of fucked up. He may not
1300
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.440
have been a white supremacist, but when the Arian Nations
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01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.559
told him to come over for a get together, he
1302
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.039
didn't decline the invitation, and then he came back over
1303
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:38.800
and over again.
1304
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:39.880
Why would you do that?
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01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:42.719
Right outside of doing that as a joke where you
1306
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:44.679
fuck with him and then posted on social media later
1307
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.239
to make him look like as clowns, why would you
1308
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.800
actually go to a white supremacist compound. I sure as
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01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.800
hell would not do that, even though part of me
1310
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.719
would really want to go just to see how fucking
1311
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.239
crazy those people are, because I am curious. I'd want
1312
01:00:58.239 --> 01:00:59.480
to go in the same way I'd want to sneak
1313
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.079
into like some insane cult's compound just to see what
1314
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:03.679
they really do behind closed doors.
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01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.239
But what I bring my family just to hang out
1316
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:07.079
and enjoy the company of.
1317
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.679
White supress Now, But Weaver did, and I don't think
1318
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.119
it's right to overlook how terrible of a choice that was.
1319
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.519
In an effort to be fair to Randy, I mean,
1320
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.079
he and VICKI would cite differences in religious beliefs between
1321
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:22.880
themselves and the group, but again they went numerous times,
1322
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:24.719
so they were, you know, at the very least, I
1323
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.639
think it's safe to say they were pretty racist and
1324
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.599
definitely racist, definitely racist toward Jewish people. The ideology of
1325
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.440
the Area Nations is largely mostly anti Semitic, a lot
1326
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:38.239
of New World Order, Biblical Armageddon prophecy interpretation mumbo jumbo.
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01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:41.280
In a later interview about his racial beliefs, Randy said,
1328
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.679
when questioned about believing in a secret cabal of Jewish
1329
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.239
people running things and wanting to make life hell for Gentiles,
1330
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.280
he said, well, it's not all the Jews, so yeah,
1331
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.000
he's pretty racist, regardless of how racist he was or wasn't,
1332
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:56.800
you know. To get some extra context that will help
1333
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.039
us understand what led to the siege on Ruby Ridge,
1334
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.119
we should look into a bit of the white supremacy
1335
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:03.320
movement here in the US. We covered some of this
1336
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.880
during our KKK Suck episode fifty, so we won't go
1337
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.079
too deep here today, but it's been a while since
1338
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.440
that suck and worth going over, you know, this area
1339
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.920
of information again and we'll add some information I haven't
1340
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.480
covered before as well, and we'll get into this history
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01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.559
lesson right after a quick word from our first sponsor.
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1348
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.480
that you're on their side. At first, start off with
1349
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.039
a little racist skinhead classic like Ropper Stopper, pull on
1350
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.480
the boots a Reverend Doctor Joe, Paisy, if you could
1351
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:49.559
kick off the chorus for us?
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01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.199
Yeah, not a problem, skin head skin head running through
1353
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.599
the night, making lots of trouble, starting lots of fights,
1354
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:58.880
stin dog stand hell, getting.
1355
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.800
Really impressed, span bank, don't thank, don't thank direct, and
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01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.360
then when they think that you're cool with their hateful ways,
1357
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.760
you transition into Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonders Ebony and Ivory,
1358
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.320
where the lyrics are all about racial harmony.
1359
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.360
Reverend doctor Joe, can you help me with the start
1360
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:18.440
of that song? Give it a go okay ebony and.
1361
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:36.000
Imperf bank bank Bank, Thank, Thank dunk bank, Thank Dang
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01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:40.000
bank Bank Bank, dunk dunk Bank, thank dum Bank, thank, thank.
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Dang bank Bank. And then everyone gets together.
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01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.119
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air pluck the ship out of some racism.
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He'll nimrod And I just want to be clear. Yeah,
1368
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.599
we're denouncing it exactly exactly.
1369
01:03:58.639 --> 01:03:59.840
I want to make sure everyone knows that.
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01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.519
I did ask Joe before the episode if he could
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01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:06.239
just memorize some skinhead lyrics. But to be clear, we
1372
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.719
did that so that we could denounce it very clear.
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01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.039
We know it doesn't look great out of context. It
1374
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:17.159
sure doesn't. It sure doesn't. But I'm gonna enroll. Thank you. Yeah,
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01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:19.679
we're gonna air pluck the headyway you guys. Okay, that
1376
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:20.039
was fun.
1377
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.239
Now let's head back to the nineteen sixties and thank
1378
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:24.559
you Joe for doing that. Joe, I'm sure that was
1379
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.280
very uncomfortable.
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01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.119
Okay, so is my life.
1381
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.760
And uh okay, we're gonnad back to the nineteen sixties
1382
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.920
and talk about people of different races not getting along.
1383
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.800
One of my favorite decades in American history as far
1384
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.119
as just being so interesting, so much change going on,
1385
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.599
some of it good, some of it bad. In the
1386
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:44.599
nineteen sixties, the Christian identity theology, formerly a fairly benign
1387
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.920
expression of what is known as British Israelism or Anglo Israelism,
1388
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.400
began to spread through the US and Canada, particularly on
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01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.119
the west coast of these nations, and it took some
1390
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.920
ugly turns. This belief holds that white Americans and Canadians
1391
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.599
are the real descendants of the biblical tribes of Israel,
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01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.239
and then this belief morphed into a form of anti
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01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:07.239
Semitism and then into white supremacy. In two thousand and three,
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01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.719
author Nicole Nichols, an expert on far right racists and
1395
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:13.760
religious groups in America, defined the concept of this Christian
1396
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.159
identity as practiced by many white supremacists and separatist groups.
1397
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.519
She wrote that Christian identity became not an organization, but
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01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.480
an ideology that many organizations adopted in some form or fashion.
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01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:29.719
She said that Christian identity elevates white supremacy and separatism
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01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:34.280
to a godly ideal, calling it the theological the theology
1401
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.599
excuse me, the ideological fuel that fires much of the
1402
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:41.880
activity of the racist far right. According to this Christian
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01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:46.599
identity theology, Jewish people are neither the true Israelites nor
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01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.440
the true chosen people of God. Instead, Christian identity proponents
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01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.280
claim that Jews are descended from an Asiatic people known
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01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.760
as the Kazars, who settled near the Black Seed or
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01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.360
in the Middle Ages, and then God's chosen people were
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01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.840
in fact the Germanic, Anglo, Saxon, Celtic, Nordic Arian people
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01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.639
knows of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac
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01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.199
and Jacob, and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites.
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01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.559
Classic historical rewriting right, the Jews are not God's people.
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01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.239
The white Man is, always has been, and the Jews
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01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:18.920
have been lying to and tricking the white Man for
1414
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.159
over two thousand years. Michael Barkin, a reported expert on
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01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.920
radical right group, said the violent, racist and anti Semitic
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01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.159
theology is prevalent among many right wing extremist groups and
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01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.800
has been called the glue of the racist far right.
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01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.079
One of the most influential documents that many of these
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01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:38.639
modern anti Semitic groups and individual site is proof of
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01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.079
a Jewish conspiracy to keep the White Man down is
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01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.320
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Now we've covered
1422
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:46.800
this bullshit document and a few past sucks, and also
1423
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.000
on the Secret Suck, but it's been a minute and
1424
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:52.159
some important propaganda to continually denounced from time to time.
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So I'll throw down another overview of the protocols here.
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It's fooled a lot of people for a long time,
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continues to cause racism, hayden harm. It's also very interesting
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the Protocols of the Elders of Zion also called Protocols
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of the Learned Elders of Zion and the Blame the
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01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.599
Jews for Anything and Everything chronicles. It's a fraudulent document
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that has served as pretext and rationale for a lot
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of anti Semitism, mainly in the twentieth century. In the
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01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.000
twenty first century, the document is purported to be a
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report of a series of twenty four meetings in some
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versions twenty seven and others held in Basel, Switzerland in
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eighteen ninety seven at the time of the First Zionist Congress,
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and that meeting of the First Zionis Congress did occur.
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Roughly two hundred Jewish community leaders from seventeen different nations
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did meet to discuss the goal of forming a Jewish
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state in Palestine, since at the time the Jewish people
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01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.239
had no country to call home and had been lived
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as nomadic people for centuries. Roughly fifty of the attendees
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were from Russia. Ten Christians also attended as guests so
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they could monitor and watch in hopes that the world
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wouldn't freak out over what the Jewish people might be
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01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:59.679
up to, and the event attracted a fair amount of
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01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.039
media attention worldwide. Most of the coverage had the tone
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01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.960
of what exactly are the Jews up to? And then
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01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.079
life went on in the media was largely forgotten about
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01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:09.559
for most for a couple of years, and then a
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Russian anti Semitic propaganda's living in France. Pierre Ivanovitch Rashkovsky,
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a member of the CSARS secret police, wrote the protocols
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01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.159
alleged to be a record of what was really talked
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01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:23.720
about at the Zionist Congress when the.
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Christians weren't around.
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The Russian government had been an anti had been anti
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Semitic and worried about the Jewish people for decades.
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Propaganda was nothing new for them.
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This propaganda just became far more successful than most of
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01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:39.720
their earlier propaganda. Raschikovsky wrote that the Jews and the
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01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.920
Freemasons have said to made plans to disrupt Christian civilization
1462
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.399
and erect a world state, one world government, the new
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01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:51.520
World Order right under their joint rule. Liberalism and socialism
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were to be the means of subverting christiendom. If subversion failed,
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all the capitals of Europe were to be sabotaged. These
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protocols this propaganda were printed in Russia in abbreviated form
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01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.079
in nineteen oh three in a popular newspaper, and then
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again in nineteen oh five, and then they were translated
1469
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.319
into German, French, English, and other European languages, and then
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01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:14.039
soon became to be a classic of anti Semitic literature.
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In the United States, Henry Ford's private newspaper Dearborn Independent
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01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.920
often sided these protocols as evidence of the Jewish threat.
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Ford was so worried about the Jewish people trying to
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take over the world that he funded the printing of
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01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.399
five hundred thousand copies of this distributed throughout the US
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01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.199
the nineteen twenties. The fraudulent nature of the protocols was
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01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.640
first revealed in nineteen twenty one by Philip Graves of
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The Times in London, who demonstrated their obvious resemblance to
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01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:46.159
a satire on Napoleon. The third by a French lawyer,
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01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:50.319
Maurice Jolie, published in eighteen sixty four. Right, it was
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01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:56.359
just a plagiarism. And then subsequent investigation, particularly between Russian
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01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.840
historian Vladimir Bertzev, revealed that the protocols were forgeries that
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01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.840
also had partially plagiarized the satire of Joey, a fantastic
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01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:07.640
novel by Hermann Goach published in eighteen sixty eight. And
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01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.399
then there were other sources, so the author just pulled
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01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:13.119
from a bunch of existing sources and twisted it to
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01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.159
meet his own agenda. It was proven by academics to
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01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.720
be a forgery, but by the time it was proven,
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01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.319
the damage was already done. Everyone reads the headline, almost
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01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.119
no one reads the retraction, a problem that continues to
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01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:27.800
this day. The protocols talked about a conspiracy to destroy
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01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.840
Christianity and control the world that included a plan to
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01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.960
take over the media, has laid out in the twelfth Protocol,
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01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.359
which read, literature and journalism are two of the most
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01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:41.680
important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor
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01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.039
of the majority of the journals. It will put us
1497
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:47.800
in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind.
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01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:50.800
And to this day you still see cries on the
1499
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.880
Internet of the Jews control the media. The seventeenth Protocol
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warns of a direct attacked on Christianity. As part of
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01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.000
this conspiracy, the Pope and the Church will be annihilated,
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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.199
so that only years divide us from the moment of
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01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.760
the complete wrecking of the Christian religion. The final takeover
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01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:08.399
will be achieved financially, as stated in the twenty first
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01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.840
Protocol that reads, we shall replace the money markets by
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01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.319
grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be
1507
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:17.640
to fix the price of industrial values and accordance with
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01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:21.159
government views. You may imagine for yourselves what immense power
1509
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:25.039
we shall thereby secure for ourselves. And again to this
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01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.159
day you know there are cries on the Internet of
1511
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:28.119
the Jews have all the money?
1512
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:28.600
Right.
1513
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:32.039
There are concerns by some about credit because it's relation
1514
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:34.800
initially to this document, right, it's relation to the mark
1515
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:35.239
of the beast.
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01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:36.960
It's part of the end times.
1517
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:39.079
The protocols make it seem as if the Jewish people
1518
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:41.800
are responsible for a number of past and present disasters,
1519
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.479
from the downfall of Christian monarchies to the French Revolution
1520
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:49.159
to the advancement of liberal and bourgeois ideas. The Protocols
1521
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:52.680
contain a number of metaphors essential to conspiracy vocabulary, such
1522
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.359
as the invisible hand that pushes pieces on a chessboard.
1523
01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.840
The plotters are portrayed as poisonous snakes, spiders weaving their webs,
1524
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.399
wolves ready to devour Christian sheep. The last Protocols described
1525
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.079
the future reign of the Jews in Christian terms, announcing
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01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.000
the coming of a King of the Jews who will
1527
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.720
be the real Pope of the universe, the patriarch of
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01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.319
an international church. In addition to the Protocols and building
1529
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:19.640
upon them, there was also American preacher Wesley Swift's influence
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01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.520
on the white supremacy movement. In the nineteen forties, a
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01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.520
former Methodist minister, Wesley Swift started his own church, later
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01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.680
known as the Church of Jesus Christ Christian and Wesley
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01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:35.119
Swift was like the propagandist writer of the Protocols of Zion,
1534
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:39.560
like how Lindsay a huge piece of shit, Swift had
1535
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.199
deep ties to a number of radical religious right wing groups,
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01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.479
including the Cluclus Clan. Swift and his associates set the
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01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:48.239
stage for the mutation of the Christian identity movement into
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01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:52.600
a loosely organized set of violently anti Semitic racist belief
1539
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:55.600
systems that came to be grouped together as under the
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01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:00.000
Christian identity rubric. Swift himself taught that only the white
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01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.399
race was created in the form of God, while Asian
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01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:06.760
and African races were created from beasts of the fields. Thusly,
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01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:09.439
they are sub human creations and not part of God's people.
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In Swift's version of Genesis, Eve, the wife of the
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01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.239
first true Man, Adam, was seduced by the serpent, who
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01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:18.079
masqueraded as a white man. Eve bore a son from
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01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:22.119
her union with this snake, Caine, who asserted was who
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01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.479
he asserted was the actual father of the Jewish people.
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01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.760
He said the Jewish people were the literal descendants of Satan.
1550
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.960
This reinterpretation, sometimes called the two seed or seed Liner theory,
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01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:37.119
supports the Christian identity propensity to demonize Jews, whom Swift
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01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:39.680
and others continued to label as the spawn of Satan.
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01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.800
Today's white Europeans and their American and Canadian descendants, Swift taught,
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01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.119
are descended from the true God of Adam and Eve.
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01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:50.920
Abel and are the actual chosen people of God. Some
1556
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.600
Christian identity adherents add on to this claim and claim
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01:13:54.640 --> 01:14:00.239
that subhuman preademic races existed and spawned the non white
1558
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:03.039
races of the world, which they have labeled as the
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01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.880
mud people. So Jesus Christ, I mean, why do people
1560
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.479
complicate their lives with this kind of shit? All the
1561
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:11.960
real problems in the world of disease and economic inequality,
1562
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.880
the real struggle of struggle of trying to find love
1563
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:18.159
and you know, and the work goes into maintaining a
1564
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:22.079
career and forming and maintaining friendships and family relationships and
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01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:24.159
on and on, and some people want to add a
1566
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:26.800
bunch of imaginary struggles to their plight as well. Right,
1567
01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:28.399
there was a lot of things to be worried about
1568
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:31.479
in the world. Jewish people being Satan's minions not one
1569
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:33.640
of them. The more people just need to get better
1570
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.159
hobbies to fucking fix this, Like, what the fuck take
1571
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.920
all the time you're spending trying to analyze convoluted, nonsensical
1572
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:40.760
conspiracies and learn to play I don't know, the guitar
1573
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:45.079
or something, maybe speak a new language, right, learn how
1574
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:46.560
to get a I don't know, study for a black
1575
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.920
belt and martial arts or something. Do something productive was
1576
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:54.119
all that free time fucking ignorant weirdos. Now back to
1577
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.359
the sixties for a bit before we launched it in
1578
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.960
the timeline. In the nineteen sixties, a new group of
1579
01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:02.800
Christian identity leaders emerged to spread radical racist identity theology
1580
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:06.720
throughout America and Canada. The most prominent among them were
1581
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:12.439
three disciples of Wesley Swift, James K. Warner, William Potter Gaile,
1582
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.560
and then the man most important to today's tale, Richard Butler.
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01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:19.239
Warner would move to Louisiana and play a leading role
1584
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:22.640
in the fight against civil rights there. Gail, an early
1585
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:25.119
leader of the Christian Defense League and his paramilitary arm,
1586
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.920
the California Rangers, would go on to found the Posse
1587
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.560
Comatatis in nineteen sixty nine, a group that would help
1588
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:36.720
bring around bring around Sorry, my bucking sinus is driving
1589
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.640
me crazy, makes it so extra hard to pronounce anything.
1590
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:43.279
He would go help bring around the Sovereign Citizen movement.
1591
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:49.079
Sovereign citizens believe that they, not judges, jury's, law enforcement
1592
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.319
or elected officials, get to decide which laws to obey
1593
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.680
which to ignore, and they don't think they should have
1594
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.960
to pay taxes, and they have all this crazy rationale
1595
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:59.159
to back up this belief that is far too complicated
1596
01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:00.479
and convoluted to break down today.
1597
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:01.239
It's madness.
1598
01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:04.840
There are people who believe a Jewish shadow government has
1599
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.079
sold us citizens in the international.
1600
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:08.119
Slavery and it's insane.
1601
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.520
We could easily devote a full suck to the Sovereign
1602
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:13.880
citizen movement. But the important thing to note as far
1603
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.000
as Randy Weavers, they're people who don't believe that they're
1604
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:18.079
obligated to listen to the government. They shouldn't have to
1605
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.520
be taxes and they don't have to follow laws. Then
1606
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.520
there's Richard Butler, a character crucial to today's story, the
1607
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.239
dude who ran the Arian Nation compound that Randy brought
1608
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.039
his family to in Hayden Lake. You know, a visit
1609
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.399
that led to more visits that led to a crime,
1610
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:33.840
that led to an arrest warrant that led to the
1611
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:38.600
Ruby Ridge standoff. Butler moved Wesley Swift's Church of Jesus
1612
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:42.399
Christ Christian to northern Idaho and recast it as a
1613
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.279
neo Nazi group. The Arian Nations in the early seventies,
1614
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.840
under the leadership of Butler Gail Warner others. The Christian
1615
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:53.960
Identity movement permeated most of the far right right you know,
1616
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.279
including the Clan, the racist skinhead organization known as the Hammerskins.
1617
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.000
Christian Identity on cl provided trail of safe or would
1618
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:05.880
provide a trail of safe havens for movement activists stretching
1619
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:10.479
from Hayden Lake in northern Idaho to the Oklahoma Arkansas border.
1620
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:13.920
Many white supremacists on the run from federal authorities you know,
1621
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.439
would find shelter and support from these Christian Identity followers.
1622
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:20.760
While Randy and Vicky Weaver may or may not have
1623
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.079
been interested in these ideas, they did worry about a
1624
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:26.960
secret one world Jewish government, and they did share these
1625
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.880
groups concern over an intimate apocalypse brought on by this
1626
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.560
Jewish conspiracy. Many Christian Identity adherents believe that the Biblical
1627
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.760
apocalypse is coming soon. They believe Jesus Christ will return
1628
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.159
to Earth only after a time of tribulation, great battle
1629
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:44.640
between good and evil that'll set the stage for the
1630
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.039
return of Christ and the final transformation of the world.
1631
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:50.640
Identity followers believe it's their duty to prepare for the apocalypse,
1632
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.359
and this is terrifying. Some of them actually believe it
1633
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.880
is their duty to help bring about the apocalypse. They
1634
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.600
tend to cast the apocalypse and racial terms whites versus
1635
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:04.800
non whites. Identity adherents believe the world institutions will collapse
1636
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:08.079
during the end times, therefore tend to distrust They tend
1637
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:13.520
to distrust such institutions, making identity theology appealing to anti government.
1638
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.680
Types, you know in militia types.
1639
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.640
In the twenty first century, Christian identity groups are strongest
1640
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:22.600
in the Pacific Northwest of America and Canada, and in
1641
01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:26.000
the US Midwest, though identity churches can be found throughout
1642
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:28.720
the US and in other parts of Canada. Identity churches
1643
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:32.720
also exist in Ireland, Great Britain, Australia, and South Africa.
1644
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.239
Estimates about how many members of these groups there are
1645
01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:39.800
varied from about twenty five thousand to fifty thousand. Identity
1646
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:42.560
adherents have committed a number of violent acts, often against
1647
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:47.439
the government and or financial institutions. In February of nineteen
1648
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:51.159
eighty three, identity adherent Gordon call killed two s killed
1649
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:55.119
two US marshals who attempted to arrest him on a
1650
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.640
parole violation, and then killed an Arkansas sheriff before finally
1651
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.880
being gunned down by authorities. Why because he thought the
1652
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:06.720
police were serving an unjust Zionis shadow government. Because he
1653
01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:09.279
thought killing those officers would help usher in the apocalypse.
1654
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:13.479
The white supremacist terrorist group The Order, contained a number
1655
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.720
of Identity members, including David Tate, who killed a Missouri
1656
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:20.279
Highway patrol officer while attempting to flee in Identity survivalist
1657
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:24.199
compound on April fifteenth, nineteen eighty five. During the nineteen
1658
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:27.119
eighty small identity groups such as the New Order aka
1659
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.720
the Order two and the Arizona Patriots committed bombings at
1660
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:34.920
armed car robberies. After the Oklahoma City bombing of April nineteenth,
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01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:39.119
nineteen ninety five, Identity minister Willie Ray Lampley attempted a
1662
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.239
number of his own bombings. In nineteen ninety six, The
1663
01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.920
Montana Freeman, led by Identity members, engaged in an eighty
1664
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:50.079
one day standoff with federal authorities. Between nineteen ninety six
1665
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.319
and nineteen ninety eight, Eric Robert Rudolph, who was connected
1666
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:57.159
to Identity ministers Nord Davis and Dan Gaman, bombed in Atlanta.
1667
01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.079
Gay Bar bombed several abortion Clinics and the Atlanta and
1668
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.880
a Summer Olympics. In nineteen ninety nine, identity member and
1669
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:08.399
former Northern Idaho Area Nations Compound security guard Buford Furrow
1670
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:11.680
went on a shooting spree at a Jewish community center
1671
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:14.279
in Los Angeles, wounding a five year old boy, two
1672
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.119
six year old boys, a sixteen year old girl, and
1673
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:20.159
a sixty sixty eight year old woman, and he also
1674
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:24.279
killed a thirty nine year old man. The FBI, the ACLU,
1675
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.000
and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as many
1676
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:31.319
mainstream media outlets, constantly report the domestic terrorism from these
1677
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:34.520
groups is more of a threat to American citizens than
1678
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.439
Islamic terrorism. So good job, you racist shit for brain idiots,
1679
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.239
you so called patriots, more of a threat to America
1680
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:47.359
than isis. There's also a connection between these racist Christian
1681
01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:48.720
identity groups, the Weavers.
1682
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:50.359
And the Oklahoma City bombing of nineteen eighty five.
1683
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.119
Timothy McVeigh, the most famous name associated with the Oklahoma
1684
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:58.279
City bombing, will be appalled by the government's conduct in
1685
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:01.319
Ruby Ridge, as is his friend Terry Nichols, with whom
1686
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:04.119
he's living with. McVeigh closely was following the events at
1687
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.279
Ruby Ridge, both in local newspapers and in publications such
1688
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:11.600
as the white supremacist separatist publication Spotlight, and he felt
1689
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:15.800
that mainstream media gave only the government's version of the events. Later,
1690
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:17.800
he would recall this as a defining moment in his
1691
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:21.680
life in a book titled American Terrorists, based on prison
1692
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:26.079
interviews given by McVeigh to two reporters. McVeigh targeted the
1693
01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:29.000
Federal Building in retaliation for the Ruby Ridge and Waco
1694
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:33.039
Branch Davidian tragedies. McVeigh would, of course, bomb of Federal
1695
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:35.960
Building in Oklahoma City, where the blast killed one hundred
1696
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:39.680
and sixty eight people, including nineteen children. More than five
1697
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:43.960
hundred others injured. Okay, now that I've laid out a
1698
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:48.119
lot of the backstory for our primary characters and the
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01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:51.720
ideology they would be surrounded with in northern Idaho, we
1700
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:55.279
can get into and properly understand their standoff. The nineties
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were a weird time in America for homegrown terrorism. Right
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We're marching down a time suck timeline.
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Okay, let's head back just for a few details we
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01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:29.720
missed earlier to the seventies. In March of nineteen seventy six,
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01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.680
while the Weavers lived in Cedar Falls, Iowa, Vicky gives
1724
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.239
birth to the couple's first child, Sarah. Nineteen seventy eight.
1725
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:38.880
Vicky begins having visions of her her and her future
1726
01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.279
family living on a mountaintop will they'd be saved from
1727
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:44.439
the coming apocalypse. The Weavers formed the Bible study group
1728
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:46.560
we talked about earlier. They began to worry about zog
1729
01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:51.960
Zionist organized government. Randy starts collecting guns. Vicky studies self
1730
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:55.800
sufficiency and survivalist techniques. In July seventy eight, as the
1731
01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.520
couple began to search for a mountaintop retreat, Vicky gives
1732
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:02.479
birth to a son, Samuel. Nineteen eighty two, Vicki gives
1733
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.520
birth to a second daughter, Rachel, while still in Iowa.
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01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:08.439
In nineteen eighty three, the Weavers sell their Iowa home
1735
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:11.840
and head west in August, finding in buying that twenty
1736
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:15.880
acre parcela on Ruby Ridge in northern Idaho. In nineteen
1737
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:19.000
eighty four, in March, the Weaver's completed construction on their
1738
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.439
no electricity, no running water, having cabin, began living.
1739
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:23.600
On Ruby Ridge.
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01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:28.359
They would begin homeschool home schooling their children. This weirds
1741
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:31.039
me out thinking about two families whose homes are on
1742
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.159
either side of the house directly behind mine. They are fundamentalists,
1743
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:37.359
religious types who also homeschool their kids. Makes me kind
1744
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:39.359
of wonder if they're teaching their kids about some zionis
1745
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.720
shadow government. I wonder if they're preparing them for the apocalypse.
1746
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.640
I wonder if their kids are getting vaccinated. I love Cordelaine,
1747
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:48.439
but I would love it more if we had less
1748
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.680
of these paranoid weirdos living around me. I mean, when
1749
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:55.359
the apocalypse does come, I feel like I should probably
1750
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.800
use my guns to kill those people first, right, I mean,
1751
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.479
they probably have the best apocalypse preparations, and if I
1752
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.920
can take them out, I'll have years worth of dry
1753
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.159
goods and water purification tablets that I can use to
1754
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:09.119
keep my family safe. Joking around about this stuff, I
1755
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:10.920
remember my dad telling me when I was living in
1756
01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.000
the Spokane of my twenties, about how shit went down,
1757
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:15.239
I was to drive as fast as I could to
1758
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.239
get to the little Salmon River Canyon south of Riggins,
1759
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.119
where we had enough AMMO and wild game and clean
1760
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:23.520
water to survive, you know, some type of apocalyptic economic collapse,
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01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:27.159
make a stand for ourselves when the nWo right there
1762
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:30.880
their forces came to enslave America. Then enough of that
1763
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:32.840
crazy got into me that I do take some comfort
1764
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:34.720
living here in northern Idaho. Think that if shit does
1765
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:37.279
go down, I don't think that it will. If it does,
1766
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:41.000
I'm in a pretty good place to survive it. I'm
1767
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:42.800
learning so much about myself as the suck. I feel
1768
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.920
like I'm studying my own, you know, upbringing. I relate
1769
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.880
way more than I care to to Randy Weaver's survivalist mentality.
1770
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.880
In the mid eighties, the Weavers taking a fatherless and
1771
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:56.439
troubled teenager named Kevin Harris. They're you know, they're crazy,
1772
01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.439
but they're not all bad. They also began doubling down
1773
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.039
on racist, anti Semitic views around this time, finding justification
1774
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.680
for them and their interpretations of the Bible.
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01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:06.720
You know.
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01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:11.199
They now, you know, begin to limit their association with
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01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:14.279
those who don't share their kind of like minded views.
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01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:17.720
They get a nice echo chamber going nothing like surrounding
1779
01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:20.479
yourself with, you know, only those who share your misguided
1780
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.319
views to really solidify those views. In January of nineteen
1781
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:28.960
eighty five, the US Secret Service the us SS investigates
1782
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.600
allegations from neighbors of Randy Weaver that Weaver has been
1783
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:37.600
threatening to kill President Reagan, Governor John Evans, and other
1784
01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.680
unspecified law enforcement officials. That's Idaho Governor John Evans. The
1785
01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.520
Weaver's neighbor, Terry Kennison, and the Weaver family get into
1786
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.000
a three thousand dollars land dispute, which Kennison loses and
1787
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:50.359
is forced to pay an extra twenty one hundred damages
1788
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:52.760
and court costs. And Kennison would be the one to
1789
01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:54.800
inform the FBI that Weaver had threatened to kill the
1790
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.600
president of the Pope, the governor of IDO, law enforcement, others,
1791
01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.720
and you know something, Kennison was just to frame him.
1792
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.640
While Kennison may have been getting back at Randy because
1793
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:05.640
he was pissed about the land dispute, I doubt he
1794
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:06.680
made up these claims.
1795
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:08.479
I doubt he was lying about the threats.
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01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:10.640
I mean, the more I've learned about Randy and VICKI,
1797
01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:13.279
and you know, the more we're going to learn this
1798
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.399
seems exactly like the type of thing that they would do.
1799
01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:20.560
The Secret Service learns through interviews that Weaver is also
1800
01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:24.720
associated with members of Richard Butler's Area Nation's Compound. So
1801
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:27.000
you know, Weaver's gone off the fucking rails. Living out
1802
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:29.319
on a remote mountain in a shack with no electricity,
1803
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:32.520
no running water, place he built himself homeschool with his
1804
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:36.039
kids hanging out with skinheads, waiting for the apocalypse. Now,
1805
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:37.920
in all likelihood, he's threatened to kill leaders of the
1806
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.880
Governments Right. The government he does think is in bed
1807
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:44.000
with some sort of Zionist New World Order shadow one
1808
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:48.119
World Governments Right. Secret Service interviews Weaver, who denies his
1809
01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:51.880
affiliation with Airy Nations. He denies making threats against President
1810
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:54.840
Reagan and Governor Evans. Of course he does. It's deny
1811
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:56.960
or go to jail. He's crazy, but he's not stupid.
1812
01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:00.479
No charges or filed against Weaver as result of his
1813
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.600
alleged threats. On February twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five, Randy
1814
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:07.279
and Vicki Weaver file an affidavit with the Boundary County,
1815
01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:11.000
Idaho Clerk claiming that false allegations made to the Secret
1816
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:14.479
Service were part of an elaborate plot designed to provoke
1817
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:17.560
federal authorities and to storming their home and taking their land.
1818
01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:21.319
Weaver writes, right, this is something he sends to the government.
1819
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:23.479
He writes, he may have to defend himself and his
1820
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:27.880
family from physical attacks on his life. Jesus Christ, he
1821
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.239
had such a huge hand in creating the horrible situation
1822
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.319
that would happen in nineteen ninety two. It's like he
1823
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.800
and Vicki's insane belief system just willed what would happen
1824
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:38.560
to them into existence. They worried so much about the
1825
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.279
government storming and taking their property that they did a
1826
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:43.800
bunch of shit that led to the government right coming
1827
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:44.560
out of their property.
1828
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:46.039
So sad.
1829
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:47.840
You know, if he just wouldn't have been such a
1830
01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:51.840
paranoid lunatic, none of this would have happened. In nineteen
1831
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.520
eighty five, like a crazy person, Weaver writes a letter
1832
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.640
to President Reagan apologizing for false allegations made by his neighbors.
1833
01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:02.840
Again him, God, I wish I could access the copy
1834
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:06.560
of this letter. I bet it is so good. Dear
1835
01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:10.279
mister President. This is Handy Randy Me and Sticky Vicky
1836
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:12.560
would like to clear some stuff up. I know that
1837
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.880
some of your secret Service agents have told you that
1838
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.119
I'm stockpiling weapons and hanging out with Richard Butler and
1839
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.800
his anti government are nation types, And then I want
1840
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:21.399
to kill you that I want to kill the governor
1841
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:23.800
of Idaho, and I want to kill for all of
1842
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.600
those who work for you, crooked anti American politicians. And
1843
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.039
that is not true. I am just a regular guy
1844
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:31.479
who left a good job in Iowa and moved to
1845
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.920
northern Idaho to live off the grid in a shack
1846
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:37.000
with no electricity or running water, who refuses to let
1847
01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:39.399
his kids go to school where they were undoubtedly be
1848
01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:42.800
indoctrinated into your Zionist, anti Christian, Satanic one world government
1849
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.640
agenda and have had to. I would not want my
1850
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.920
children to share classrooms with sub human mud people. VICKI
1851
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:50.279
and I just want to live out our lives in
1852
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.199
peace until the inevitable race war breaks out. They will
1853
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.600
precede the rapture that, how Lindsay assures me, is coming
1854
01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:58.800
any day now, where God will destroy you and all
1855
01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:02.039
the other crooked politicians who began selling out our citizens
1856
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.880
in international slavery when the gold standard was no longer
1857
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.119
used to back up our currency. Please do not think
1858
01:30:07.159 --> 01:30:09.399
I want to kill you, not yet. God will do
1859
01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:11.800
that shortly. I will not kill you unless God gives
1860
01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:14.479
me the green light. Tell Nancy, Hello, God bless you,
1861
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:20.399
you satanic puppet. Sincerely, Handy Randy Weaver. I bet I
1862
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:22.800
won't think that far off of that. In July of
1863
01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:25.600
nineteen eighty six, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and firearms
1864
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:29.479
and formant named Kenneth fad Or. Fadeley is introduced to
1865
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.239
Weaver at the World Ariy in Congress and Hayden Lake, Idaho.
1866
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:33.000
Weird.
1867
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:34.319
I thought he wasn't hanging out with those guys. I
1868
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:36.720
thought that's what he said in his letter Faidlee. He
1869
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.439
meets Weaver again in January nineteen eighty seven at another
1870
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:42.920
area and get together also in July of eighteen seventy seven,
1871
01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:45.680
and also in July of nineteenty nine at another Arian
1872
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:46.439
World Congress.
1873
01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:47.920
That's so weird.
1874
01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:50.479
He's not hanging out with these guys, yet he's hanging
1875
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:51.399
out with them all the time.
1876
01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:54.239
Weird that he won't let his kids go to public school.
1877
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:56.279
God knows what kinds of influences they'll get there, but
1878
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:58.720
he will let his kids on a regular basis hang
1879
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:01.359
out with skinheads. I gotta say, the more I learned
1880
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.479
about Randy Weaver, the less I care for him. At
1881
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:08.720
the July nineteen eighty nine Congress, Weaver invites the BATF
1882
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:13.159
informant Faidley to his house to discuss forming a group
1883
01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:18.840
to fight against the Zionist Organized Government zog Handy.
1884
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:21.359
Randy is fucking mad.
1885
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:23.880
On October eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, Failey meets with Weaver
1886
01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.760
at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, at which time Weaver
1887
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:29.560
says he can supply sowd off shotguns to Failee for
1888
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:34.319
the upcoming revolution like a psychopath. Randy recalls that Faidley
1889
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.279
first one of machine guns, but Randy couldn't do that.
1890
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:39.399
He didn't have access to machine guns, but he could
1891
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.640
saw down the barrels of some shotguns.
1892
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:43.800
On October twenty.
1893
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.119
Fourth, Randy Weaver sells two sought off shotguns to Failee
1894
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.479
in a park and Standpoint for seven hundred dollars, which
1895
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.159
is illegal. After selling them to Faidlee, he also starts
1896
01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:54.680
to think that Failee might be an informant. In November,
1897
01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:57.399
Failee breaks contact with Randy, and then Weaver accuses him
1898
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:03.800
of being a cop. ATF agent Herbert Byerley submits a
1899
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:07.319
case on May twenty first, nineteen ninety about the ATF's
1900
01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:09.880
ongoing investigation in the area Nation's Compound to the US
1901
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:13.279
Attorney's Office in Boise, recommending that Weaver be prosecuted for
1902
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:17.319
the illegal sale of sought off shotguns. ATF agents Byerley
1903
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.159
and Steve Gunderson approach Randy and standpoint and attempt to
1904
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:23.800
enlist him to be an informant regarding the illegal activities
1905
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.800
of Aryan Nations members. Weaver says that he will not
1906
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:29.560
be a snitch. He then notifies his buddies at the
1907
01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:32.319
Arian Nation's headquarters that the government is attempting to infiltrate
1908
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:34.920
their group. Right, so he for sure is, you know,
1909
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:38.159
fairly close with these guys. What happened to the young
1910
01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.800
soldier who is willing to snitch about the illegal confiscation
1911
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.319
of drugs on base because that was the right thing
1912
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.800
to do. Apparently that that kid is dead. Randy has
1913
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.560
changed so much since his idealistic early Idaho, Iowa days.
1914
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:54.680
December thirteenth, nineteen ninety a federal grand jury in the
1915
01:32:54.680 --> 01:33:00.000
District of Idaho indicts Weaver from manufacturing and possessing unregistered firearms.
1916
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:04.199
January seventeenth, ninety one, atf agents posing as stranded motorists
1917
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:08.079
arrest Weaver at gunpoint on weapons charges. He apparently tells
1918
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:13.199
the arresting agent's nice trick. You'll never do that again, right,
1919
01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:17.520
Randy is, Yeah, you're getting a little crazier, a little
1920
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:21.199
crazy all the time. January eighteenth, nineteen ninety one, Weaver
1921
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:25.199
is arraigned before US Magistrate Judge Stephen m Ayers right
1922
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.960
here in Courtelaine, Idaho. Judge Ayers appoints Everett Hoffmeister as
1923
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:32.079
council for Weaver and releases him on ten thousand dollars
1924
01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.640
personal reconnaissance bond. Directs him to appear at US District
1925
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:37.199
Court for his trial in February.
1926
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:38.119
Nineteenth, nineteen ninety one.
1927
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.720
On January twenty first, Randy receives a letter informing him
1928
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:44.760
that his trial date has been rescheduled from March twentieth,
1929
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.199
although the actual date was February twentieth, so little fuck
1930
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:52.600
up here. On January twenty second, wea recalls Probation Officer
1931
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.199
Carl Rechens, pursuing the terms of his condition of release.
1932
01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:59.399
On February fifth, US District Court clerk in Boise or
1933
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:04.119
a US District Court clerk in Boise, Idaho, sends a
1934
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:07.199
notice to the parties, including Weaver, that his trial date
1935
01:34:07.239 --> 01:34:10.119
has been changed to February twentieth, so now he does
1936
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.560
know the real date. But then on February seventh, the
1937
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.800
US Attorney's Office in Boyce receives two letters oh no,
1938
01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:18.279
excuse me. Then, on February seventh, the US Attorney's Office
1939
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:22.439
in Boise receives two letters from Vicky Weaver, dated January
1940
01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:26.560
twenty first and February third, nineteen ninety one. Letters addressed
1941
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:32.600
to the Queen of Babylon. Oh boy, the Queen of Babylon, Vicky.
1942
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:35.399
It's an important to note just as crazy as Randy.
1943
01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.239
The letters appeared to contain veiled threats. They're provided to
1944
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:43.000
law enforcement and Boise. I wish I had a full
1945
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:46.439
copy of these letters as well. Right, just dear Queen
1946
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:50.319
of Babylon. Sticky Vicky here, handy Randy, and I receive
1947
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:53.640
your letter informulas of the change in court date. So
1948
01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:56.439
you're resigned as government can prosecute my husband for being
1949
01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:59.199
a patriot and wanting to fight to restore America to
1950
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:02.760
its place of frightful white glory. When the Jews were
1951
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:05.479
not pulling your puppet strings. The four horsemen of the
1952
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:10.680
apocalypse are riding towards you. As I put pen to paper, Pestilence, war, famine, death,
1953
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:14.079
are coming repent about to God's glory before it is
1954
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:14.520
too late.
1955
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:16.840
Also, can we please move the day to the summer.
1956
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:18.680
We don't have a snowblower, and it can be a
1957
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:20.520
real pain in the rear to get off the ridge
1958
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:21.720
during the winter months.
1959
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.199
Thank you and God blessed Sticky Vicky and handy Randy.
1960
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.479
Also on the seventh, the US Probation Officer Carl Reichens
1961
01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:31.000
sends Randy Weaver a letter requesting Randy contact him.
1962
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:32.760
He also messes up the date.
1963
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:35.119
He again refers to it as March twentieth rather than
1964
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:37.960
February twentieth. So God damn it, double check your dates
1965
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:45.159
when you're dealing with anti government hotheads. On February nineteenth, twentieth,
1966
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.359
nineteen ninety one, Weaver does not appear for trial in Moscow.
1967
01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:50.439
You know, on either of the nineteenth or the.
1968
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:55.239
Twentieth, Chief US District Court Judge Harold Ryan issues a
1969
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.520
bench warrant for him. Now, would he have appeared without
1970
01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.840
the March twentieth clerical air We'll never know. If he
1971
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:04.279
had appeared, the whole standoff could have possibly been avoided.
1972
01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:06.479
That being said, I'm not sure he would have showed up.
1973
01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:08.520
He and Vickie clearly felt like the Zionis government was
1974
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.439
fucking with him. On March fifth, Deputy US Marshalls Hunt
1975
01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:16.319
and Mays initiate contact with Bill and Judy Grider, friends
1976
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:19.520
of the Weaver family. The Grids give the Marshals a
1977
01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:22.399
letter signed by the Weaver family saying, we will not
1978
01:36:22.600 --> 01:36:24.640
obey your lawless government.
1979
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.119
So there you go. They weren't going to show up, right.
1980
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.159
The Weavers were architects of their own doom.
1981
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:32.640
They're making sure that their prophecies of war with the
1982
01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:34.600
government are going to come true. They just tell the
1983
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:40.239
US Marshall Service quote, we will not obey your lawless government.
1984
01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:45.079
The siege that follows was so very avoidable. Right.
1985
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:47.920
You don't get to tell the government to fuck off,
1986
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:51.119
not in any land, not even in the Land of
1987
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:54.119
the Free. That's not how life works. You're being an idiot,
1988
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:59.039
Vicky Weever. Weaver continues to write threatening letters to the
1989
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:03.760
federal government. By accessing old court documents at Justice dot Gov,
1990
01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:06.119
I was able to find an excerpt from one, and
1991
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:09.680
this is what it read, which isn't that much less
1992
01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:11.319
crazy than the stuff I was making up earlier.
1993
01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:16.479
She wrote, A man cannot have two masters. Yahweh Yoshua Messiah,
1994
01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:19.920
the anointed one of Saxon, Israel is our lawgiver and
1995
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:24.319
our king. We will obey him and know others. A
1996
01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:27.159
long forgotten wind is starting to blow. Do you hear
1997
01:37:27.199 --> 01:37:30.319
the approaching thunder? Is that that of the awakened Saxon?
1998
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:32.359
War is upon the land.
1999
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:37.960
The tyrant's blood will flow, She said of her mind. Right,
2000
01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:42.159
they were idiots. You weren't living in a theocracy, lady
2001
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:44.800
like it or not. You know, while we say God,
2002
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.600
in God, we trust, we have a secular government. And
2003
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:53.000
if secular laws are not obeyed, there are fucking punishments
2004
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:57.239
that God cannot save you from. If more people understood this,
2005
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.760
we'd all be better off. On March fourth, teenth, ninety one,
2006
01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.000
a federal grand jury in the District of Idaho indicts
2007
01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.880
Weaver for failure to appear in court. The next day,
2008
01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:10.000
March fifteenth, the Weavers and their three children begin an
2009
01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:14.800
eighteen months sitting at their cabin. Just go to your
2010
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:19.920
court date, you foolish, stubborn asshole. Friends keep them supplied
2011
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:22.600
with what they need to get by friend and former
2012
01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:25.960
boarder Kevin Harris visits the cabin periodically, and the US
2013
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.319
Marshals begin to keep the cabin under surveillance, not because
2014
01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.560
a big brother, right, because they're not coming to their
2015
01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:34.319
court date. I heard a lot about Ruby Ridge back
2016
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:36.439
when I was in high school. This part of the
2017
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:39.720
story about how they defially told the government to just
2018
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:42.920
a fuck off was conveniently left out of the narrative.
2019
01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:46.720
On March eighteenth, ninety one, Chief Deputy US Marshall Ron Evans,
2020
01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:50.920
District of Idaho provides the Marshall Service with analysis of
2021
01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:54.520
the family situation and requests assistance from the Marshall Service
2022
01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.479
as Special Operations Group SOG.
2023
01:38:57.359 --> 01:38:57.640
SOG.
2024
01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:00.920
SOG pretty close to ZG right, the thing that they're
2025
01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:04.800
afraid of design his government pretty weird. On March twenty eighth,
2026
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.920
Evans brief SOG personnel at SAG Tactical Center in Camp Beauregard,
2027
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.359
Louisiana on developments in the Weaver case. The decision is
2028
01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:14.760
made to send the SOG team to Idaho to gather
2029
01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:19.199
information to develop a plan to arrest Randy Weaver. And again,
2030
01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.119
all this could have been avoided if Randy would have
2031
01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:22.279
just went down to the court and been like, what
2032
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:22.960
do I gotta.
2033
01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:23.199
Do to deal with this?
2034
01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:27.119
Right, he was an anti government nut job who refused
2035
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:30.720
to own up to selling legal weapons. Between June seventeenth
2036
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.560
and June twenty fourth, the SAG Reconnaissance team travels to
2037
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:37.399
northeastern Idaho conducts assessment on the Weaver case. The team
2038
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.359
develops a plan for the safe arrest of Weaver on
2039
01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:42.399
his property, away from his wife and children. The plan
2040
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:48.439
describes Weaver as extremely dangerous and suicidal. July nineteenth ninety one,
2041
01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:52.680
Deputy Marshall Kluff and Weaver's appointed council, Everett Hoffmeister meet
2042
01:39:52.720 --> 01:39:56.159
with Rodney Wiley A. Wiley a family friend, and they
2043
01:39:56.199 --> 01:39:59.039
ask Wiley to try and please convince Weaver to surrender.
2044
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:02.520
Highly reports the following day that Weaver says he will
2045
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:06.079
not surrender because he fears his rights will be violated.
2046
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.000
Right of course, he thinks that he thinks the government
2047
01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:13.279
is being controlled by satanic Jewish forces. The silly, paranoid
2048
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:17.640
fuck is continuing to create an entirely unnecessary mess. September
2049
01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:20.239
twenty eighth, nineteen ninety one, the Louisiana SAG team is
2050
01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:24.239
dispatched northern Idaho. The plan to arrest Weaver is canceled,
2051
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:28.279
though due to bad intel. On October ninth, Senior Deputy
2052
01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:31.079
US Marshall Dave Hunt asked Alan Jefferson of another friend
2053
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.960
of the Weavers to please convey an offer of negotiations
2054
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:36.279
to the family. They're trying to get them to cooperate.
2055
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:41.079
The marshals begin to formulate formal surrender terms. They want
2056
01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:44.640
this to end peacefully. They're trying to be fair. On
2057
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.079
October twelfth, US Hunt and US Marshall Hunt excuse me.
2058
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:51.560
In another US Marshal, Ron Evans proposed offering formal surrender
2059
01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:54.319
terms to Weaver and request authorization from the US Attorney's
2060
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:58.000
office to do so. On October seventeenth, Assistant US Attorney
2061
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:00.840
Ronald Howen sends a letter to Hunt and Evy directing
2062
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.199
then all contact with Weaver must go through the Weaver's
2063
01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:07.720
appointed attorney. In Additionhausen does not authorize further negotiations with
2064
01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:12.199
Weaver directly as proposed by the marshals. October twenty first,
2065
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:16.039
Rock excuse me. October twenty fourth, Vicky gives birth, with
2066
01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:21.520
all the government around them, to a third daughter, Elisheba. Elisheba.
2067
01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:24.760
Of course they named their daughter Elishiba. Right, if you're
2068
01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:28.079
an a Zionist, or if you're a standoff with authorities
2069
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:30.760
because you believe in a Zionist government, you're not gonna
2070
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.039
name your daughter, Pam or Michelle. Six months later, on
2071
01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:37.560
March fourth, nineteen ninety two, Deputy US Marshal Jack Cluff
2072
01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:40.600
Chief Deputy Marshal Ron Evans drive up to the Weaver
2073
01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:43.880
property in an unmarked vehicle. The Weavers are still camped out.
2074
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:47.680
They're met by Randy, armed with a rifle. He tells
2075
01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:50.960
Kluff and Evans to get the fuck off his property. Right,
2076
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:53.760
tells him they're trespassing. He's holding the gun. They leave
2077
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:58.479
without incident, again, so unnecessary. They're not coming up there
2078
01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:00.319
to fuck They're coming up there to get him to
2079
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.439
go to court, because he's supposed to go to court.
2080
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:06.600
He's just needlessly endangering his family at this point. On
2081
01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:09.680
March eighth, ninety two, a full year since the standoff began,
2082
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:13.119
a local Spokene newspaper, The Spokesman Review, publishes a front
2083
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:16.359
page article about Randy Weaver snubbing his nose at the
2084
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:18.840
federal government, and the national media picks up the story
2085
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:22.199
and runs with it. March twenty seventh, Acting Marshal Service
2086
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.880
Director Henry Hudson brief don developments in the Weaver case.
2087
01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:28.520
Hudson asked US Attorney Maurice Ellsworth to consider dismissing the
2088
01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:33.520
warrant and reissuing it under a seal. Ellsworth rejects this proposal.
2089
01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.159
Hudson directs that any plan to arrest Weaver must eliminate
2090
01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:39.279
the possibility of harm to Vicki and the Weaver children.
2091
01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.359
Marshall's Service Enforcement Division Brands Chief Arthur Roderick is given
2092
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:47.439
the primary responsibility for devising a suitable plan to arrest Weaver.
2093
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:52.279
A three phase operational plan is developed again. At this point,
2094
01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:55.520
the US government is trying their best to handle this
2095
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:59.600
situation peacefully, a situation entirely created by.
2096
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:02.640
Randy WEEAE and his family. Right, They're not picking on him.
2097
01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:04.840
They're trying to arrest a man who refuses to come
2098
01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:07.159
to court, who's been refusing for over a year now.
2099
01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:09.880
Between April second and April twelfth, Phase one of the
2100
01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:13.840
operation plan, Operation Northern Exposure, is carried out by US Marshals.
2101
01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:17.560
The marshals conduct surveillance on the property and determine technical
2102
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:22.319
requirements for additional surveillance. On April thirteenth, Acting Director Hudson
2103
01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.640
approves the operation plan for Phase two, during which surveillance
2104
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.800
cameras will be utilized to gather info about the family's
2105
01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:32.039
daily actions so that options can be developed for Phase three,
2106
01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:36.399
the actual arrest of Randy. So much taxpayer money being
2107
01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:40.680
devoted to arresting one stubborn shithead, and that pisses me off.
2108
01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:43.520
I hate this waste of money. I hate that this
2109
01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:45.680
fucker has been painted as some kind of patriotic hero
2110
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:48.000
by so many when all he did was waste a
2111
01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:50.439
bunch of tax payer money. So far, he just looks
2112
01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:52.359
more like a domestic terrorist than a hero to me.
2113
01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:55.319
I do not feel bad about the handy Randy jokes. Now.
2114
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:57.560
From April seventeenth through the.
2115
01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:01.159
First week of May, Marshals install surveillance cameras on ridges
2116
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:05.520
overlooking the Weaver property, you know, getting more intel. On
2117
01:44:05.560 --> 01:44:09.000
April eighteenth, the Marshall Service is informed by that a
2118
01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:11.960
TV crew from Heraldo Rivera's program now can be told
2119
01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:14.239
have been shot at while flying over the Weaver property
2120
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:15.239
in a helicopter.
2121
01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:17.199
Weaver will deny this.
2122
01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:21.079
The helic pilot, Richard Weiss, eventually does give evidence to
2123
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:25.640
the FBI denying this as well. On May fifth, one
2124
01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:28.239
of the Marshall Service surveillance cameras is destroyed by Randy.
2125
01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:29.760
What is he thinking?
2126
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:31.199
That this is all just going to go away, right,
2127
01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:32.560
that he can win this fight, that he can just
2128
01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:34.840
wait it out, or is he thinking the apocalypse will
2129
01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:38.239
come and just deal with it. On May twenty seventh,
2130
01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.720
an undercover plan is developed by the Marshall Service. Now
2131
01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.000
after Acting Director Hudson rejects plans to forcibly arrest Weavers. Now,
2132
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.119
they're abandoning their previous plan, right, They're not going to
2133
01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:50.439
go with Phase three after all the surveillance and just
2134
01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:53.159
arresting with either leth or non lethal weapons.
2135
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.399
They're like, nope, let's be more patient. Now.
2136
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:59.039
They come up with an undercover operation that will involve
2137
01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:02.720
the Marshall Service buying a plot of land north of
2138
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:07.800
the Weaver property. Then two Deputy marshals will go undercover
2139
01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:11.600
pose his husband and wife. Right, they'll visit, they'll develop
2140
01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:15.520
the property, They'll they'll start to build a fucking cabin
2141
01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:19.399
and hope that the opportunity to arrest Weaver will arise
2142
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.359
right out of the presence or outside the presence of
2143
01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:25.199
other family members. This plan is put on a hold,
2144
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.760
penning Hudson's confirmation as director by the US Senate. The
2145
01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:32.920
fact that this plan was even considered to me, shows
2146
01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:35.800
that the US government went to great lengths and was
2147
01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:38.680
willing to spend a lot of money to arrest one
2148
01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:40.640
dude for refusing to show up to his court date.
2149
01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:43.000
Way to make a mountain out of a mole hill, Randy,
2150
01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:45.880
the court of public opinion seems to see you as
2151
01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:46.319
a victim.
2152
01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:47.079
I do not.
2153
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:50.600
In early August of ninety two, Hudson gives a verbal
2154
01:45:50.600 --> 01:45:53.640
approval to the undercover plan after being confirmed as Marshall
2155
01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:58.920
Service Director. On August seventeenth, Deputy Marshalls Digan, Cooper, Roderick, Norris, Thomas,
2156
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.199
and Hunt arriving North Idaho to update intelligence for this
2157
01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.199
undercover plan. Like they're actually gonna try and go through
2158
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:07.319
with this. The Ruby Ridge Command Post has now grown
2159
01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.159
into its own little city. They have a bridge that
2160
01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:11.800
they had to build. They had to widen some roads
2161
01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.920
to accommodate all the agents involved in this plan. On
2162
01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:19.039
August twentieth, ninety two, Deputy Marshal's Roderick, Cooper, Deacon, and Hunt,
2163
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.560
along with some other local marshals and deputy sheriffs, use
2164
01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:25.199
a firing range west of Spokane, Washington to test the
2165
01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:30.199
weapons as part of internal Marshall Service practices. The final
2166
01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:33.720
phase of Operation Northern Exposure begins on August twenty first.
2167
01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:37.119
Two thirty am, a Marshall's Service team of Roderick Cooper,
2168
01:46:37.159 --> 01:46:40.159
Deacon Hunt, Norris, and Thomas leave a condominium at sweitz
2169
01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:43.239
Her Mountain to begin surveillance of the Weaver residents. At
2170
01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:45.720
four thirty am, the Marshall Service team arrives at the
2171
01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.840
residents of neighbors Wayne and Ruth Row, park their vehicle
2172
01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:50.840
and move to surveillance positions.
2173
01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:51.319
On Ruby Ridge.
2174
01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:53.960
The team splits into two three man teams at what
2175
01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:57.760
was called the Why the Observation Post OP team, Hunt, Norris,
2176
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:01.000
and Thomas go to the site above the compound, while
2177
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:05.000
the reconnaissance Recon team Roderick, Cooper and Degan proceed up
2178
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:06.640
the trail from a wine in the terrain toward the
2179
01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:10.520
family's cabin. At nine am, the recon team joins the
2180
01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:13.760
OP team of the observation post above the cabin to
2181
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.399
discuss observations. The recon team then proceeds to an area
2182
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:19.479
two hundred and two hundred and fifty yards from the cabin,
2183
01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:22.800
where Roderick tosses rocks in the direction of the Weaver home.
2184
01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:25.159
The rocks are meant to see if they will alert
2185
01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:29.399
the Weaver's labrador retrievers, and initially they don't. The recon
2186
01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:34.880
team then moves to a garden springhouse area below the cabin. Randy, Kevin,
2187
01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:38.159
and Sammy are outside and armed. They're always armed at
2188
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:42.319
this point. Sammy Weaver is fourteen years old. My son,
2189
01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:45.159
Kyler is fourteen, and the thought of him making patrol
2190
01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:47.359
the family property with a loaded rifle in his hand,
2191
01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:50.640
while knowing that armed federal agents are patrolling the property
2192
01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:53.479
because they want to arrest me makes me fucking sick.
2193
01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:56.439
It bothers me so much. I would never do that
2194
01:47:56.479 --> 01:47:58.880
to my son. A father is supposed to protect their family,
2195
01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:03.520
protect their children, not recklessly endanger them. How dare Randy
2196
01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:08.159
involve his innocent son in his delusional standoff fight your
2197
01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:09.079
own fights?
2198
01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:09.960
Right?
2199
01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:12.319
I've bet my tongue numerous times when I've dealt with
2200
01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:15.680
nonsense for some crazy individuals doing a little harassment online
2201
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:18.199
towards me, in part because I'm a public figure. Right,
2202
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:19.960
There's things I wanted to say to them, things I
2203
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.880
wanted to email or whatever, and I haven't for the
2204
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:26.640
most part, mostly because I worry about retaliation not coming
2205
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:29.560
back towards me, but coming back towards my kids. I
2206
01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:31.720
never mentioned my home address publicly or say what school
2207
01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:33.600
my kids go do? Right, The least I can do
2208
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:35.319
is try and keep them safe, you know, as much
2209
01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:36.960
as we can in our kind of public world.
2210
01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.359
Now, Randy didn't do any of this.
2211
01:48:39.399 --> 01:48:41.800
Man, He didn't seem to give any thoughts to the
2212
01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.079
welfare of his family about keeping them safe during that
2213
01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:48.319
neither did Vicki ten Am. While the recon team gets
2214
01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:50.520
ready to leave the garden spring House area, Noorous at
2215
01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:53.279
the observation post, radios that a vehicle is approaching. The
2216
01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.760
Weavers are responding. Then one of the dogs, Striker, picks
2217
01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.479
up one of the Marshal's sense and the dog is
2218
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:01.039
now on their trail where it starts to go real south.
2219
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.840
The recon team starts to retreat through the woods towards
2220
01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:07.079
the fernfield, while now being pursued by Kevin, Harris and Striker.
2221
01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:10.479
As the recon team passes to the fernfield, proceeding towards
2222
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:13.840
the why, fourteen year old Sammy is seen with Harris
2223
01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:16.800
and the dog in pursuit as well. And again, how
2224
01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:20.560
dare Randy not call off his fucking son, he's knowingly
2225
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:24.239
putting him in harm's way. To describe what happens next,
2226
01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:27.760
we turn to an account given by the author of
2227
01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:30.359
the main source book we used for this portion of
2228
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:33.680
The Suck Ruby Ridge, by Jess Walter, best rated book
2229
01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:36.159
we can find the New York Times reviewed as having
2230
01:49:36.199 --> 01:49:39.039
done a stunning job of reporting. Jess is a critically
2231
01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:42.159
acclaimed author who grew up and lives nearby in Spokane, Washington.
2232
01:49:42.640 --> 01:49:44.359
So thank you, Jess for giving us such a great
2233
01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:46.640
source to lean on, And of course we use a
2234
01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:50.159
ton of other sources. But ten thirty am, with the
2235
01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:53.199
dog putting the agents on retreat, Roderick thinks they can
2236
01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:55.920
take cover slides behind a tree, looks back up the
2237
01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:58.960
hill where he sees Striker the Dog, Kevin Harris, running
2238
01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:01.159
behind the big yellow lab, breaking over the top of
2239
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:03.720
the hill about one hundred yards away, aiming straight for him.
2240
01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:07.319
He realizes this could all go down right now, but
2241
01:50:07.359 --> 01:50:09.159
he also hopes that they can still get away without
2242
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:12.239
a gunfight. Torn with adrenaline in fear, the deputies now
2243
01:50:12.319 --> 01:50:15.119
run alongside the loggin road from one stand of trees
2244
01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:18.000
to another, twigs branches and cracking under their steps. They
2245
01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.319
stop and turn several times, covering each other, hoping the
2246
01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:22.920
dog will turn back. Instead, the dog is gaining The
2247
01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.039
weavers usually would stop at the rockout cropping. Why were
2248
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.720
they coming further down the hill? Now we have to
2249
01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:31.439
take this dog out. Roderick said, he's leading everybody to us.
2250
01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:34.840
Over his shoulder Cooper's he flashes yellow between the trees,
2251
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:37.239
shadows a movement behind the dog that he takes for
2252
01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:39.840
people ahead. He realizes they're going to have to run
2253
01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:41.840
through a clearing before they reach the next stand of trees.
2254
01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:44.760
They're gonna be wide open toward you know, for fire
2255
01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:47.880
from above. They're gonna be sitting ducks. He thinks he
2256
01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:49.359
and his buddies might not be able to get away
2257
01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:51.560
without a firefight. This is bullshit, he says into his
2258
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:53.760
radio head, said we're gonna run down the trail and
2259
01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:55.479
then get shot in the back. We need to get
2260
01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:58.720
into the woods. The dog is barking, still chasing him.
2261
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.960
The Marshalls fan outsp in the woods, breathing heavily. Listen
2262
01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:04.880
for the rusting of brush and timber. Right they're bouncing
2263
01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:07.439
down the hill, shuffling sideways, taking turns as a last
2264
01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.520
in line covering the treat to the others. Cooper tells
2265
01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:12.680
the others to go ahead a little bit and he'll
2266
01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:14.239
take care of the dog if he gets too close.
2267
01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:16.760
He has a nine millimeter machine gun with a silencer.
2268
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.880
He hopes the Weavers won't Hill won't hear his shots
2269
01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:22.560
if he has to take the dog out. Roderick and
2270
01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:25.760
Degan make it to some canopy, to a canopy tree line,
2271
01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:28.840
while Cooper continues running sidestep, keeping an eye on the trees,
2272
01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:30.960
while he hears the dog barking and the crackle of
2273
01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:31.960
men running behind him.
2274
01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:34.119
Then it all seems to go down at once.
2275
01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:37.359
Cooper sees someone on the higher trail the trail above them,
2276
01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:40.039
and the realization that they had fallen into an ambush
2277
01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:41.960
hits him. He yells at the man on the upper
2278
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:45.760
trail back off us Marshall Roderick sees him too, yells
2279
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:48.119
at him. Cooper hears the dog bark, turns, sees it
2280
01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:50.880
growling at him. He points his rifle the dog, but
2281
01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:54.199
then it runs right past him towards Roderick. Cooper does
2282
01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:56.079
not see the dog when he looks back at the trail.
2283
01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:59.000
Randy Weaver is now running away in his peripheral vision.
2284
01:51:59.239 --> 01:52:01.159
Cooper sees he can duck into the woods, and so
2285
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:04.159
he runs behind him thirty or forty feet inside the
2286
01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.880
tree line. Deacon jumps behind a big stump near him.
2287
01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:10.560
Cooper spies a hole protected by a rock. He dives
2288
01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:13.560
into it. The dog is still barking. Kevin, dressed all
2289
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.279
in black sammy and jeans and a flannel shirt, walking
2290
01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:17.960
along the trail, coming closer.
2291
01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:19.560
To him from a stump.
2292
01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:22.920
Deacan sees Kevin and Sam, Sam was the same age
2293
01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:25.239
as his youngest boy sees him walk right past him.
2294
01:52:25.640 --> 01:52:27.800
When the boys are past, Cooper relaxes a little, thinking
2295
01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.960
they might be safe, They might get away without a firefight.
2296
01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:33.520
And then several things happen in rapid succession. The dog
2297
01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:37.439
moves towards Roderick. Deacan rises on his knee to identify himself,
2298
01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:40.439
and in a thicket of who shot first stories, both
2299
01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:43.840
sides agreed that everything went to hell. It hits Randy
2300
01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:46.880
as he runs back towards the cabin. They'd run smack
2301
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:51.439
into a Zonus occupied government ambush. That's what he's thinking, right,
2302
01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:53.239
He's been at the fork in the logging road when
2303
01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:55.279
a man covered head to toe and camouflage and stepped
2304
01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:57.520
out behind a tree and yelled something at him. Fuck you,
2305
01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:00.720
Randy and yelled back. He run about eighty yards back
2306
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:02.479
up the road towards the cabin when he hears the
2307
01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:06.079
first shots, sharp cracks echoing through the timber. Sammy and
2308
01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:08.720
Kevin are down there, he thinks, Sam Kevin get home.
2309
01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:11.439
He fires around into the air from his twelve gage
2310
01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:14.760
double barrel shotgun. He loads another shell, but he's too eager,
2311
01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.760
pushes it too far and jams the shotgun. He draws
2312
01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:21.079
his nine millimeter handgun squeezes off three more rounds Sam Kevin.
2313
01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:24.279
He hears his son's voice, I'm coming Dad. Then there's
2314
01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:26.600
more shots. He hears from down the hill. Someone yells
2315
01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:30.279
there's a burst in all directions, you know. Kevin Harris
2316
01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:33.119
wheels and fires his thirty out six, hitting forty two
2317
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.920
year old Deputy US Marshall Billy Deagan square in the chest.
2318
01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:39.640
Larry Cooper sees his friend knocked back, sees his arm
2319
01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.239
fly up. He lays a line of fire right back
2320
01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:44.840
at Kevin Harris, who falls like a sack of potatoes.
2321
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.399
He hears Deagan yell, Coop, Coop, I need you I'll
2322
01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:49.800
be there, Billy as soon as I can get him
2323
01:53:49.800 --> 01:53:50.319
off her ass.
2324
01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:50.840
Hang with me.
2325
01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:53.600
He squeezes the switch on his hand calls for Roderick
2326
01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:56.159
in the radio, get up here. Already, Billy's been hit,
2327
01:53:56.720 --> 01:53:58.960
but Roderick has his own problems. Just down the trail,
2328
01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:01.960
the dog is running to him. Roderick shot it now
2329
01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:03.920
in the back so it won't lead the family to him.
2330
01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:06.680
And then fourteen year old Sammy appears in front of him,
2331
01:54:06.840 --> 01:54:09.359
sees that he has shot his dog, Striker, and allegedly
2332
01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:12.399
yells you son of a bitch. And then Sammy, overcome
2333
01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:15.359
with anger, begins to fire at Marshall Roderick. What a
2334
01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:18.560
fucking mess. Another round of fire seems to come from
2335
01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:21.119
the woods, and Roderick dives and bounces, feeling something grays
2336
01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:23.439
his stomach. Just as the bullet tears through his shirt,
2337
01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:25.199
comes within a breath of hit in his chest.
2338
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:27.119
Then, according to one former.
2339
01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:29.479
Officer on the scene, as Sammy turns to runaway, he
2340
01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:32.800
has shot multiple times in the back. Deputy Marshall Deagan
2341
01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:35.479
and Sammy Weaver would both die from their gunshot wounds,
2342
01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:39.920
all because the Weavers just refuse to obey the fucking law.
2343
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:43.359
Upon hearing the shots, the op team runs through the
2344
01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:45.840
woods to assist the recon team and are fired upon
2345
01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:48.399
when running from the fern field to the wy. None
2346
01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:50.319
of the Marshals are aware at this point that Sammy
2347
01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:53.520
Weaver has been shot and killed. At ten forty five am,
2348
01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:55.439
Hunt and Thomas leave the Wye to go to the
2349
01:54:55.479 --> 01:54:58.800
Rowhouse to call for assistance. Roderick, Cooper and Norris stay
2350
01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:02.039
with Degan's body. At eleven twenty am, Hunt makes a
2351
01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:04.079
nine to one to one emergency call to the Boundary
2352
01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:07.520
County Sheriff's office in Bonnards Ferry. At eleven forty am,
2353
01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:10.239
the Marshall's Service Crisis Center is activated under the director
2354
01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:14.359
of Duke Smith, Associate Director for Operations. The Marshall's Service
2355
01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:17.880
Special Operations Group SAG is alerted to deploy. Hunt reports
2356
01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:20.479
of the crisis center that the surveillance team came under
2357
01:55:20.520 --> 01:55:23.000
fire from occupants of the Weaver compound and that they
2358
01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:26.880
are still pinned down under fire and defensive positions. At
2359
01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.000
one thirty pm in Washington, d C, Marshall Service Director
2360
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.239
Hudson other Marshall Service officials meet with the FBI Associate
2361
01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.279
Deputy Director douglas Gow and FBI Assistant Director Larry Potts
2362
01:55:37.319 --> 01:55:39.880
to discuss the response to the shooting and the Marshall's
2363
01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:43.279
predicament on Ruby Ridge. In the late afternoon, Assistant Director
2364
01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:46.960
Potts orders the FBI Hostage Rescue Team HRT to be
2365
01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:50.720
deployed to Ruby Ridge. This team is basically a group
2366
01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:54.439
of the world's most badass snipers. A Marshall has been killed,
2367
01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:57.479
They're done fucking around with the weavers on Ruby Ridge.
2368
01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:00.960
At six thirty pm, HRT Commander Richard Rodgers and the
2369
01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:04.920
advanced team of HRT personnel depart for Idaho, accompanied by
2370
01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:08.800
Marshall's service Director of Operations, Duke Smith. While en route,
2371
01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:12.079
Rogers has a series of conversations with Assistant Director Potts
2372
01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:17.640
and Deputy Assistant Director Calson about proposed about proposed rules
2373
01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:21.319
of engagement. At one pm, the Idaho State Police Critical
2374
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:24.840
Response Team the CRI the CRT excuse me his form,
2375
01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:27.079
is informed of the incident and proceeds to form a
2376
01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:30.560
command post near the row House. At eight thirty pm,
2377
01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.159
the idahost Ad Police CRT leaves the command post to
2378
01:56:34.199 --> 01:56:38.039
rescue Deputy Marshall's Roderick Cooper and Norris and you know
2379
01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:41.279
and get the body of Marshall Degan. At nine thirty PM,
2380
01:56:41.439 --> 01:56:44.880
FBI Special Agent in Charge Gene Glenn arrives at the
2381
01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:48.439
command post at Ruby Ridge. Glenn assumes overall responsibility for
2382
01:56:48.479 --> 01:56:53.119
the FBI operations at Ruby Ridge. Meanwhile, US Marshall Michael
2383
01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:56.640
Johnson has notified US Attorney Ellsworth of the shooting at
2384
01:56:56.680 --> 01:57:00.239
Ruby Ridge. Ellsworth sends Ron Howen to Ruby Ridge as
2385
01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.680
US attorney's representative. He arrives at Ruby Ridge late in
2386
01:57:03.680 --> 01:57:08.159
the evening. At one am, Idaho State Police CRT arrives
2387
01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:10.039
back at the command post, brings with it the three
2388
01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:13.760
deputy Marshals and the body of deceased Deputy Marshall Deagan.
2389
01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:16.760
The other Marshals are then taken to the Boundary County
2390
01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:19.640
Hospital for examination, then are taken back to their condominium
2391
01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:23.920
at Switzer Mountain, arriving at approximately three am. Sometime in
2392
01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:26.439
the afternoon, FBI agents interviewed the Marshals involved in the
2393
01:57:26.439 --> 01:57:29.720
August twenty first incident. A criminal complaint is filed, charging
2394
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:33.039
Weaver and Harris with the murder of Deputy Deagan. At
2395
01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:36.560
four forty five, the HRT team arrives in Idaho. At
2396
01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:40.119
nine am, the hr Team Commander Dick Rogers brief's HR
2397
01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:43.279
Team members from a National Guard armory and Bonnards ferry.
2398
01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:46.239
The rules of engagement for this mission are being changed
2399
01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.640
are still being drafted. At ten thirty am, the HRT
2400
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:52.720
and SAG are assembling a new operations planned, the whole
2401
01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:55.800
buying some neighboring land, pretending to be locals building the
2402
01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:59.079
cabin hoping Randy swings by and is lonesome. That plans
2403
01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:02.000
fucking dead right that end of the second and agent
2404
01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:05.720
was shot. At two forty pm, the operations plan, including
2405
01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:08.880
new rules of engagement are sent to FBI headquarters and
2406
01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:12.119
the Marshall Service for review. The new rules of engagement
2407
01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:15.600
give the snipers more freedom than his standard with FBI
2408
01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:20.520
policy and unprecedented domestic action and FBI history. These rules
2409
01:58:20.600 --> 01:58:23.600
basically state, if any adult is armed, it is okay
2410
01:58:23.600 --> 01:58:26.439
to shoot and kill them and, at risk of pissing
2411
01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:29.760
off some fellow libertarian type listeners, I do not disagree
2412
01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:30.960
with these rules.
2413
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:31.760
In this particular case.
2414
01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:34.800
At this particular point, the Weavers, in my opinion, have
2415
01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:39.359
taken shit way too far, way too far. If anything,
2416
01:58:39.359 --> 01:58:41.880
they've been given way too many chances to end this peacefully.
2417
01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:45.399
You know, I can't stress this enough. All Randy has
2418
01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:47.800
had to do was turn himself in. He's had so
2419
01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:50.920
many fucking chances. Right, he would have been found guilty
2420
01:58:50.960 --> 01:58:53.119
of a weapons charge, serve very little time, if any,
2421
01:58:53.159 --> 01:58:55.520
thanks to having no prior record. The Weavers could have
2422
01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:59.640
kept living their insane, anti government, virally racist you know,
2423
01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:03.439
kill them all and bring about the apocalypse shitty backwoods lives.
2424
01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:07.159
Between two thirty and three thirty pm, the HRT Sniper
2425
01:59:07.199 --> 01:59:10.920
observers briefs on approved rules of engagement or are briefed
2426
01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:13.720
on those. They depart on foot to observation posts on
2427
01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:16.960
the mountain. From five oh seven to five twenty two pm,
2428
01:59:17.119 --> 01:59:21.079
the HRT Sniper Observation team arrives at their positions on
2429
01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.239
the ridge overlooking the Weaver cabin. Meanwhile, Randy has discovered
2430
01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:27.359
that his son is dead from Kevin, who returns to
2431
01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:29.880
the cabin. They go back out to get the boy
2432
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:31.279
bring him to a guest home. They head on the
2433
01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:34.960
property to clean his wounds. As Randy has his hands
2434
01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:38.159
up on his head above his head on the building
2435
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:43.239
and his grief, an HRT sniper Lou Haruci fires around
2436
01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:47.199
that wounds Randy through the armpit. Randy, wounded, is able
2437
01:59:47.239 --> 01:59:49.199
to make his way back to his cabin with Kevin
2438
01:59:49.720 --> 01:59:52.520
the main cabin. As Randy and Kevin are returning home,
2439
01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:54.439
Vicky appears at the main door.
2440
01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:54.800
To greet them.
2441
01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:58.079
Distraught over the loss of her son and now wounded husband.
2442
01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:02.239
She's holding her ten month old baby daughter, Alishiba, when
2443
02:00:02.279 --> 02:00:06.479
at approximately five fifty eight PM, Haruci fires a round
2444
02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:10.319
through Vicky's head, just missing the baby. The bullet also
2445
02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:13.319
wounds Kevin Harrison his shoulder, breaking two ribs, stopping just
2446
02:00:13.399 --> 02:00:17.319
inches from his heart. Initially, Haruchi does not realize he
2447
02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:19.960
shoots Vicki in the head. I do, of course, wish
2448
02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:22.560
this shot had not been fired. She was not holding
2449
02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:24.600
a gun. I'm sure the agent wishes he could take
2450
02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.720
it back as well. She was not armed, she was
2451
02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:29.960
holding a baby. Not sure why they couldn't just wait
2452
02:00:29.960 --> 02:00:31.920
for a better shot on Randy or Kevin and left
2453
02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:35.640
Vicky alone. At this moment, Harucci also again does not
2454
02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:39.800
realize Vicki has been killed. Six point thirty PM, an APC,
2455
02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:43.640
an armed Personnel carrier, arrives at the cabin area. The
2456
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:47.279
FBI hostage negotiator delivers a message over loud speaker that
2457
02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:50.479
there are arrest warrants for Randy and Kevin asked Weaver
2458
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:54.920
to please accept negotiations by telephone for his turning himself in.
2459
02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:59.159
At eight pm HRT, sniper observer teams and SOG personnel
2460
02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:02.119
are withdrawn from the mountain posts because of the cold weather.
2461
02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:05.119
During the evening, FBI SWAT teams are deployed around the
2462
02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:07.680
command post and control access to the road leading in
2463
02:01:07.720 --> 02:01:10.159
and out of the Weaver cabin. There are masses of
2464
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:13.680
people media surrounding the area, demanding info on what's going on.
2465
02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:14.880
Many your neighbors.
2466
02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:17.800
Others are coming from far away supporting the anti government
2467
02:01:17.880 --> 02:01:19.520
and or arean cause.
2468
02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:20.840
They see Randy as standing for.
2469
02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:24.079
Some are yelling things to law enforcement officers like you
2470
02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:27.000
are a trader to your race. They're holding signs about
2471
02:01:27.079 --> 02:01:30.000
ZOG and about the New World Order. It's a fucking circus.
2472
02:01:30.039 --> 02:01:33.000
It's madness. A lot of people focused on all the
2473
02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:35.920
government personnel weapons that made it to Ruby Ridge and
2474
02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:36.439
frame it.
2475
02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:38.239
As the government abusing its power.
2476
02:01:38.600 --> 02:01:40.880
But what they seem to fail to recognize is that
2477
02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.439
the government did not send a bunch of firepower up
2478
02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:47.119
to Ruby Ridge on Day one or Day two or
2479
02:01:47.199 --> 02:01:50.680
Day three hundred and sixty five. They gave them well
2480
02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:53.279
over a year to just go to court, but they
2481
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.880
couldn't do that. Why because they were crazy. They thought
2482
02:01:56.920 --> 02:01:59.199
the government was part of a New World Order conspiracy,
2483
02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:02.960
part of his n plot to destroy Christianity. At six
2484
02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.640
am and August twenty third, the HRT teams are sent
2485
02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:07.039
back to their positions on the mountain.
2486
02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:08.840
They arrived there about seven point thirty.
2487
02:02:09.199 --> 02:02:12.199
HRT Commander Rogers takes two teams of HRT personnel to
2488
02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:15.680
the Weaver cabin area, makes repeat announcements over the bullhorn
2489
02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:19.720
for those inside to enter into negotiations. No response is given,
2490
02:02:20.239 --> 02:02:22.199
which makes me hate Randy that much more. His son
2491
02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:24.239
is dead, his wife is dead. He still has three
2492
02:02:24.359 --> 02:02:26.800
daughters on that ridge, three daughters who are very much alive,
2493
02:02:27.079 --> 02:02:29.399
and he doesn't do fuck all to protect them. Right now,
2494
02:02:30.159 --> 02:02:33.119
at eight oh one pm, APC's armored personnel carriers are
2495
02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:36.399
used to demolish outbuildings near the Weaver cabin. Right during
2496
02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:38.960
the clearing of a shed before being destroyed, the body
2497
02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:41.279
of Sammy Weaver is found. None of the officers knew
2498
02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:44.520
that Sammy had died. Only the family knew. Soon everyone
2499
02:02:44.560 --> 02:02:46.479
would know, and the fury of the crowd and the
2500
02:02:46.520 --> 02:02:49.920
people watching around the world would intensify. I hate that
2501
02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:52.840
Randy now gets to be paid as a victim. Meanwhile,
2502
02:02:52.880 --> 02:02:55.159
Harris is charged with Degan's murder and Weaver is charged
2503
02:02:55.159 --> 02:02:58.920
with lesser crimes. The next day, August twenty fourth, negotiations
2504
02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:01.960
to try and make contact with Randy Weaver are made
2505
02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:04.439
used in a loudspeaker. Unaware that Vicki has been shot
2506
02:03:04.479 --> 02:03:06.520
and killed, They address Vicki Weaver for the first time.
2507
02:03:06.760 --> 02:03:08.920
They ask if she will let her kids have pancakes
2508
02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:11.399
and come out of the cabin. No response from her,
2509
02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:14.640
of course, is heard, and then something super weird happens
2510
02:03:14.680 --> 02:03:16.880
on the twenty fourth as well. Apparently, a robotic vehicle
2511
02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:19.520
with a gun and its robot claw are sent in.
2512
02:03:19.560 --> 02:03:22.000
On the twenty fourth, the robot tries to take a
2513
02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:24.800
telephone into the Weaver home. Randy will not open the door.
2514
02:03:25.119 --> 02:03:27.199
He is sure that this robot is some sign of
2515
02:03:27.199 --> 02:03:30.840
the apocalypse. The next day, on the twenty fifth, negotiators
2516
02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:35.159
continue to focus efforts on surrender. Efforts include statements directed
2517
02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:38.279
specifically at Vicky Weaver. Again, no response is heard from
2518
02:03:38.279 --> 02:03:40.039
the cabin. The Weaver family will later claim that they
2519
02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:43.520
yelled back, you killed her ten fifty three am. On
2520
02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:45.640
the following day, the rules of engagement that were in
2521
02:03:45.680 --> 02:03:48.640
effect since the arrival of the HRT are now revoked.
2522
02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:51.920
At the direction of Glenn, the FBI's Standard Deadly Force
2523
02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:55.520
Policy replaces the new rules of engagement to guide law
2524
02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:58.760
enforcement personnel deployed on cabin perimeter concerning the use of
2525
02:03:58.800 --> 02:04:03.279
deadly force. At a approximately three PM, the first contact
2526
02:04:03.319 --> 02:04:05.199
is made with Randy. He says he wants to talk
2527
02:04:05.239 --> 02:04:08.680
to his sister, Marnus Joy. Marnus attempts to speak with
2528
02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:11.560
Randy Weaver the next day, but is unsuccessful at getting
2529
02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:14.520
him to come out and surrender. The next day, again,
2530
02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:17.520
on the twenty eighth, further attempts by Marnus Joy are
2531
02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:21.479
made to speak with Reaver and negotiate a surrender, also unsuccessful.
2532
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:23.119
He's a stubborn bastard.
2533
02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:25.600
So now the FBI decides to bring in a famous
2534
02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:28.359
name in the patriot movement at the time, War hero
2535
02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:32.800
Colonel bo Gritz, a decorated Vietnam Vet associated with right
2536
02:04:32.840 --> 02:04:36.000
wing causes. He's brought into try and negotiate a surrender.
2537
02:04:36.600 --> 02:04:38.359
This was a dude who is running for president in
2538
02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:41.880
nineteen ninety two under the slogan God, Guns and Grits,
2539
02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:46.159
someone who clearly spoke Randy's language. Let's take a moment
2540
02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:48.279
to meet Bo Gritz. I heard so much about this
2541
02:04:48.399 --> 02:04:50.319
dude growing up. A lot of my dad's friends love
2542
02:04:50.399 --> 02:04:53.279
this dude, and we're voting for him. There's many places
2543
02:04:53.319 --> 02:04:54.960
you can learn about Grits. So one of those places
2544
02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:58.720
is at the Southern Poverty Lossenter website under Fighting Hate.
2545
02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:02.760
He is considered a extremist and racist. The SPLC has
2546
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:05.399
recently been called out by many right and centered leading
2547
02:05:05.399 --> 02:05:08.119
people as the hate groups themselves, but for decades they
2548
02:05:08.199 --> 02:05:10.399
have been the best authority on hate in the US.
2549
02:05:11.159 --> 02:05:13.359
I personally think they've done a damn fine job of
2550
02:05:13.399 --> 02:05:17.159
exposing hate groups. Gritz has been described as a supposed
2551
02:05:17.199 --> 02:05:21.159
inspiration for Sevester Stallone's character in the original Rambo movie
2552
02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:25.520
First Blood. Gritz has dedicated himself for decades to denouncing
2553
02:05:25.560 --> 02:05:29.119
the New World Order. He's trained an army of anointed
2554
02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.920
eternal warriors in the battle against evil that resides in
2555
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:35.000
high places. According to Gritz, and I do have enormous
2556
02:05:35.000 --> 02:05:37.119
respect for him as a soldier, grateful for his service.
2557
02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:40.359
That being said, he also seems completely insane. He's a
2558
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:44.159
big doomsday zionist guy as well. For years, Bo has
2559
02:05:44.199 --> 02:05:47.359
traveled the country offering a series of well attended paramilitary
2560
02:05:47.359 --> 02:05:51.720
training sessions under the acronym Spike. Specially prepared individuals for
2561
02:05:51.800 --> 02:05:56.840
key events in these sessions in the price he twelve
2562
02:05:56.920 --> 02:06:00.319
part Spike video series he also sells. He teaches people's
2563
02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:03.199
skills he learned in Vietnam and elsewhere, from close quarters
2564
02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:06.319
combat to field interrogation techniques. He wants to prepare you
2565
02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:09.720
for the New World Order invasion he's been saying could
2566
02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.680
happen any day now for about thirty years, which, as
2567
02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:15.279
you know, has not happened. Thousands of men and women
2568
02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:17.479
have emerged from his elaborate training seminars with the know
2569
02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:20.479
how to fight war. Many have gone on to join
2570
02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:23.680
the violence prone wings of the extremist anti government movements.
2571
02:06:24.319 --> 02:06:27.079
Bogritz is a war hero who, you could also make
2572
02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:30.399
the argument has turned into a domestic terrorist trainer. Now
2573
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:33.319
back to Ruby Ridge five to fifteen PM. In August
2574
02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:35.960
twenty eighth, ninety two, Weaver agrees to talk to Bow.
2575
02:06:36.520 --> 02:06:38.880
At six point fifty eight, Bow enters the Weaver compound.
2576
02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:41.760
He speaks with Randy the cabin. He advises him that
2577
02:06:41.800 --> 02:06:45.119
the FBI and other law enforcements you know are coming
2578
02:06:45.159 --> 02:06:47.159
for him. He also, you know, finds out that Vickie
2579
02:06:47.159 --> 02:06:49.199
has been killed and tells the FBI and law enforcement
2580
02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:52.239
that also tells him that Kevin Harris has been wounded
2581
02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:55.439
and is not doing well. The following day, August twenty ninth,
2582
02:06:55.439 --> 02:06:57.920
Gritz and a family friend, Jackie Brown, speak with Randy again,
2583
02:06:58.479 --> 02:07:01.920
as well as his daughters and the wounded Kevin Harris.
2584
02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:05.399
At five oh seven pm, Jackie Brown enters the Weaver cabin.
2585
02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:08.880
This family friend gives Randy gives her a letter that
2586
02:07:08.880 --> 02:07:11.520
the family wrote in case they were killed. I can
2587
02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:16.119
only imagine what this letter said. Dear Zionist overlords, Handy
2588
02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:18.319
Randy and Sticky VICKI here, good job you did it.
2589
02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:19.000
You killed us.
2590
02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:21.359
Congrats on getting rid of two more good Christians, you
2591
02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:24.760
Jewish Satanic bastards. I hope you're happy with yourself. I
2592
02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:26.439
hope all this was worth burning in hell for all
2593
02:07:26.439 --> 02:07:30.119
of eternity. God, damn you fucking subheban mud people. Why
2594
02:07:30.119 --> 02:07:31.840
couldn't you just let us do what we wanted, follow
2595
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:34.000
only the laws we choose to spend our days in peace,
2596
02:07:34.279 --> 02:07:37.439
go into super racist area nation cookouts, training ourselves to
2597
02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:39.920
be malicious members who are gonna help overthrow the corrupt
2598
02:07:39.960 --> 02:07:44.199
American government. Weaver friends Jackie Brown also allowed to clean
2599
02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:46.000
the kitchen of Vicki's blood. When she comes into the
2600
02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:49.439
Weaver cabin at nine ten pm, she tells law enforcement
2601
02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:54.159
that Harris is close to death. August thirtieth. The following morning, Harris,
2602
02:07:54.199 --> 02:07:57.159
who's about to die, decides to surrender after talking with
2603
02:07:57.239 --> 02:08:01.520
Gritz and Jack mclamb, a retired police officer. Grits Bull
2604
02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:03.840
warns Randy that if he does not let Harris out
2605
02:08:03.880 --> 02:08:06.560
of the cabin to be treated for his rapidly worsening wounds,
2606
02:08:06.920 --> 02:08:09.640
that he and the world will hold Randy responsible for
2607
02:08:09.720 --> 02:08:13.279
Kevin's death. Okay, I'm liking mister Gritz a little bit
2608
02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:16.039
more right now. I still think he's crazy, but even
2609
02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:18.760
another member of this crazy ideology seems to realize that
2610
02:08:18.840 --> 02:08:21.600
Randy is responsible for some of the shit. At six
2611
02:08:21.680 --> 02:08:24.600
twenty seven pm, Jackie Brown and Bow Grits carry Vicky
2612
02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:27.560
Weaver's body out from the cabin. After delivering the body,
2613
02:08:27.640 --> 02:08:30.279
Jackie Brown returns into the cabin to clean blood off
2614
02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:33.079
the floor. The following day, Gritz is told by the
2615
02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:36.800
HOSC rescue team Commander Dick Rogers that if bo can't
2616
02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:39.640
talk them out, we will take them out. At nine
2617
02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:42.399
forty am, Randy mclamm return to the cabin to begin
2618
02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:46.079
more negotiations. Randy tells his girls that he believes they
2619
02:08:46.079 --> 02:08:48.520
will be okay and that they're going to get out alive.
2620
02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:52.359
Now is their chance. He begs Randy to surrender. Finally,
2621
02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:55.760
Randy and his children do so over the next few days.
2622
02:08:56.359 --> 02:08:58.760
So he surrenders on August thirty first, and over the
2623
02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:02.279
next few days, searches of the Weaver cabin, grounds, and
2624
02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:04.840
out buildings are conducted under the supervision of the FBI.
2625
02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:08.479
On September sixteenth, the grand jury indicts Kevin Harrison Randy
2626
02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:11.880
Weaver for assault and murder of Deputy Marshall Degan. The
2627
02:09:11.880 --> 02:09:14.399
next day, Weaver pleads not guilty to aiding and abetting
2628
02:09:14.479 --> 02:09:17.840
Deputy Marshall Degan's murder. The day after that, Harris pleads
2629
02:09:17.840 --> 02:09:21.920
innocent to murdering Deputy Marshall Degan. On October first, a
2630
02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:25.159
grand jury returns with a ten count indictment against Weaver
2631
02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:29.039
and Harris, adding a conspiracy count amongst others to earlier charges.
2632
02:09:29.760 --> 02:09:33.199
On April thirteenth, ninety three, the Harris Weaver trial begins
2633
02:09:33.199 --> 02:09:36.640
in federal court in Boise, Idaho. Jury selection begins for
2634
02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:40.399
the murder conspiracy trial, and then on July eighth, the
2635
02:09:40.439 --> 02:09:43.079
trial is over and the jury acquits Weaver and Harris
2636
02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:43.920
for the murder.
2637
02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:44.520
Of Deputy Degan.
2638
02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:47.640
The federal government could not prove that Weaver and Harris
2639
02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:51.399
were not acting in self defense. Harris is also acquitted
2640
02:09:51.439 --> 02:09:54.199
of all other charges against him. Weaver is convicted on
2641
02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:56.880
count three failure to appear in court and count nine
2642
02:09:57.159 --> 02:10:00.000
committing an offense while on release. He's found not guilty.
2643
02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:00.960
You have the other counts.
2644
02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:05.000
Weaver is incarcerated pending sentencing, and then on October eighteenth, he
2645
02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:08.119
sends to eighteen months, fourteen of which he's already served
2646
02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:10.720
three years of probation, and he receives a ten thousand
2647
02:10:10.720 --> 02:10:13.640
dollars fine for his conviction for failure to appear and
2648
02:10:13.640 --> 02:10:17.279
for committing an offense while on release. After that, after
2649
02:10:17.399 --> 02:10:20.159
all that has happened, right, after all this happened because
2650
02:10:20.159 --> 02:10:21.720
he wouldn't show up for a charge to send him
2651
02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:24.520
in the end to prison for eighteen months. I can
2652
02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:26.479
only imagine if he would have went initially, he would
2653
02:10:26.479 --> 02:10:29.279
have gotten even less trouble, right, and then his wife
2654
02:10:29.279 --> 02:10:30.399
and son would still be alive.
2655
02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:32.479
That's so crazy.
2656
02:10:32.920 --> 02:10:36.119
December of ninety three, Weavers released from incarceration, and August
2657
02:10:36.119 --> 02:10:38.600
of the following year, Weaver and Kevin Harris file a
2658
02:10:38.640 --> 02:10:41.560
three hundred million dollars civil lawsuit against the US government
2659
02:10:41.920 --> 02:10:44.600
for the wrongful death of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. The
2660
02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:47.680
following year, in August of ninety five, the Justice Department
2661
02:10:47.720 --> 02:10:50.840
agrees to pay Weaver three point one million in compensation
2662
02:10:50.920 --> 02:10:54.239
for killing his wife and son. Randy receives one hundred thousand.
2663
02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:56.720
Each of his daughters get a million each, or each
2664
02:10:56.720 --> 02:10:57.319
of a dollars.
2665
02:10:57.079 --> 02:10:57.600
Get a million.
2666
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:01.479
And I got to say, this bothers me. Randy created
2667
02:11:01.520 --> 02:11:04.399
this mess, and now he's getting paid for it. The
2668
02:11:04.439 --> 02:11:07.159
government did not force him to arm his young son
2669
02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:09.960
and send him to war against the government. Randy did that,
2670
02:11:10.840 --> 02:11:15.600
and he did that because he was a racist, conspiratorial maniac, right,
2671
02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:18.600
and so was his wife. They both recklessly endangered their
2672
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:21.319
kids' lives because of their belief and this ignorant shit.
2673
02:11:22.199 --> 02:11:24.279
I feel sorry for the daughters because they didn't choose
2674
02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:27.439
to be involved in this situation their parents did. I
2675
02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:29.600
think it's bullshit that Randy got a fucking dime from
2676
02:11:29.640 --> 02:11:32.479
the government for any of this. In the fall of
2677
02:11:32.560 --> 02:11:35.520
ninety five, Weaver says, if I had to do it again, oh,
2678
02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:37.159
knowing what I know now, I would have come down
2679
02:11:37.199 --> 02:11:38.920
from the mountain for the court of parents. Yeah, you
2680
02:11:38.960 --> 02:11:41.520
fucking think I would not let my fears and the
2681
02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:43.479
fears of my family keep me from coming down. But
2682
02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:46.399
my wrongs did not cause federal agents to commit crimes.
2683
02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:49.359
I have been accountable for my choices, but no federal
2684
02:11:49.399 --> 02:11:51.399
agent has been brought to justice for the killings of
2685
02:11:51.439 --> 02:11:54.079
Sam and Vicky Weaver. And I don't like this half
2686
02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:57.640
apology in my opinion, Randy Weaver, if you're listening, the
2687
02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:01.039
blood is on your hands. You pick this fight. You
2688
02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:03.840
put your family in position for this to happen. You
2689
02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:06.640
turned a fourteen year old into an armed guard and
2690
02:12:06.680 --> 02:12:09.079
sent him to war with the federal government. You did that,
2691
02:12:09.199 --> 02:12:13.159
and you never took responsibility. In nineteen ninety six, Weaver
2692
02:12:13.800 --> 02:12:16.279
now viewed as a hero in the Northwest militia culture,
2693
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:18.800
teamed up with Beagritz and offered to help end another
2694
02:12:18.840 --> 02:12:22.520
standoff between the Montana Freeman and the FBI. Their offers
2695
02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:25.800
to help were declined, of course they were. They're fucking crazy.
2696
02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:28.800
On two thousand and Randy Weaver visits the site of
2697
02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:32.039
the former Branch Davidian Church in Waco, Texas. A new
2698
02:12:32.119 --> 02:12:34.600
church was being built a time of Weaver's visit, he
2699
02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:36.520
let it be known that he supported the assertion that
2700
02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:39.439
the government agents deliberately took things too far in Waco
2701
02:12:40.079 --> 02:12:43.039
right and provoked the compound, set the complex on fire,
2702
02:12:44.520 --> 02:12:45.800
you know, and the government did mess up there.
2703
02:12:45.800 --> 02:12:46.399
We've been over that.
2704
02:12:46.439 --> 02:12:49.520
But again, you know, the government didn't make David Koresh
2705
02:12:49.560 --> 02:12:53.000
molest kids in that compound. In September of two thousand,
2706
02:12:53.079 --> 02:12:55.840
despite federal officials voting or vowing that they would never
2707
02:12:55.880 --> 02:12:59.000
pay someone who had killed a US marshall, after persistent appeal,
2708
02:12:59.439 --> 02:13:01.880
Kevin Harry is awarded a three hundred and eighty thousand
2709
02:13:01.920 --> 02:13:05.359
dollars settlement from the US government. And that takes us
2710
02:13:05.359 --> 02:13:07.760
out of today's time. Suck timeline.
2711
02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:13.319
Good job, soldier, you made it back barely.
2712
02:13:19.520 --> 02:13:23.319
Man, what a mess I've living in this research for
2713
02:13:23.319 --> 02:13:25.680
a few days. You know, I just having a hard
2714
02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:28.439
time seeing Randy and Vickiy Weaver as patriots, right, I
2715
02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:30.760
just I don't know how people can see them as
2716
02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:35.359
anything but domestic terrorists who needlessly endangered the lives of
2717
02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:38.159
their four children. Stubbornly persisted in a standoff to stem
2718
02:13:38.239 --> 02:13:40.880
out of refusal to take responsibility and go to court
2719
02:13:40.920 --> 02:13:43.680
for a weapons charge Randy would later be found guilty of.
2720
02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:45.800
And what was that weapon charge related to? It was
2721
02:13:45.800 --> 02:13:48.840
related to wanting to go to war with the US government.
2722
02:13:49.319 --> 02:13:52.399
That is what a terrorist does, right. They're hanging out
2723
02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:55.760
in the area Nation's compound around other people who wanted
2724
02:13:55.800 --> 02:13:59.720
to take a race war to the US government, right,
2725
02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:02.560
I mean the motivation to resist that court dates stem
2726
02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:05.039
from a complete lack of respect for.
2727
02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:07.159
The government, for law enforcement, for law.
2728
02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:10.359
Randy and Vicki were delusional racist who believed that it
2729
02:14:10.399 --> 02:14:13.880
was satanic to be Jewish. They regularly associated again was
2730
02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:17.359
Richard Butler's you know, skinheads, a group of people who
2731
02:14:17.399 --> 02:14:21.520
believe that all non whites are subhuman mud people. Randy
2732
02:14:21.560 --> 02:14:23.159
went from a member of the military to someone who
2733
02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:25.640
had no respect for the military, no respect for law enforcement,
2734
02:14:25.680 --> 02:14:27.880
no respect for the log I mean, just how ironic
2735
02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:31.000
that far right extremest considered him to be a patriot
2736
02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:32.159
when he hated America.
2737
02:14:33.119 --> 02:14:34.680
I think he still does today.
2738
02:14:34.680 --> 02:14:37.039
He's seventy two years old, believed to be living in
2739
02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.640
or near Kallis Bell, Montana. He won't give interviews anymore.
2740
02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:42.000
Based on the most recent interviews I could find, he
2741
02:14:42.039 --> 02:14:45.479
seems to still see himself as a victim, the recipient
2742
02:14:45.520 --> 02:14:48.520
of the abuse dished out by a tyrannical government. When
2743
02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:50.600
he was interviewed about a decade after the standoff, when
2744
02:14:50.600 --> 02:14:52.439
he had returned to live to Iowa for a time,
2745
02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:55.520
Weaver was asked what he thought about Timothy mcveigh's execution
2746
02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:58.840
for Timothy's murderous role in the nineteen ninety five Oklahoma
2747
02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:02.319
City bombing. Weaver said that quote, there should be a
2748
02:15:02.359 --> 02:15:05.039
bunch of federal agents lying right beside him on a gurney.
2749
02:15:06.199 --> 02:15:09.000
He said that the real enemy, the federal government, was
2750
02:15:09.039 --> 02:15:11.920
still at large. He said that the real enemy continues
2751
02:15:11.960 --> 02:15:15.479
to violate the Constitution. He said that Timothy McVeigh, the
2752
02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:17.439
dude who killed one hundred and sixty eight innocent people,
2753
02:15:17.479 --> 02:15:20.479
including nineteen children. Was just trying to make a point.
2754
02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:23.560
He said he was going to be judged during Executioner
2755
02:15:23.800 --> 02:15:26.399
no different than the federal government. One has a badge
2756
02:15:26.680 --> 02:15:31.560
and one don't. What a delusional asshole. The US government
2757
02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:33.560
has done a lot of bad things. However, they've done
2758
02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:36.479
a lot more good things. You know, we hear about
2759
02:15:36.520 --> 02:15:40.560
cases of police brutality, police violence, abuses of power. Might
2760
02:15:40.600 --> 02:15:43.039
those things happen, they make the news, and they become
2761
02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:46.079
big stories. What we don't hear about are all the
2762
02:15:46.159 --> 02:15:49.720
times a cop or a marshal or an FBI agent
2763
02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:53.079
keeps someone safe by stopping an act of terrorism or
2764
02:15:53.199 --> 02:15:57.399
arresting someone who should be arrested. Because those stories aren't sexy,
2765
02:15:57.840 --> 02:16:01.479
but they happen every single day and over again, every
2766
02:16:01.520 --> 02:16:04.279
single day. Officers in every state in the nation protect
2767
02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:07.399
society by arresting bad people for doing bad things and
2768
02:16:07.439 --> 02:16:09.880
will never know how many lives they've saved by doing so.
2769
02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:13.119
I might only be alive right now because some dirtbag
2770
02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:17.199
I've never met got arrested and got put behind bars
2771
02:16:17.600 --> 02:16:20.319
and was never able to do whatever he or she
2772
02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:22.119
was going to do to me. My wife or my
2773
02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:24.399
kids are you and yours. Do you ever think about
2774
02:16:24.399 --> 02:16:27.479
things like that? Does the government waste some of our
2775
02:16:27.479 --> 02:16:28.000
tax dollars?
2776
02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:28.840
Of course?
2777
02:16:29.439 --> 02:16:32.680
Could some reforms make our great country even better? Could
2778
02:16:32.680 --> 02:16:35.040
money be more effectively spent? Of course I could armchair
2779
02:16:35.079 --> 02:16:37.639
politician all day and think up ways that my mind
2780
02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:40.399
would improve the average American citizens quality of life. Should
2781
02:16:40.399 --> 02:16:42.360
we keep our eyes on the government and help make
2782
02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:44.559
sure they don't abuse the great power they wield?
2783
02:16:44.760 --> 02:16:45.360
Of course?
2784
02:16:46.159 --> 02:16:48.159
But all that being said, I do not believe like
2785
02:16:48.200 --> 02:16:51.319
the Weavers did that at its heart, the US government
2786
02:16:51.399 --> 02:16:55.280
is some evil, corrupt empire, and if they hadn't deliberately
2787
02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:58.760
set themselves on a path to confront and defy this evil,
2788
02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:03.280
corrupt regime, they would still be alive. I get not
2789
02:17:03.319 --> 02:17:05.319
wanting to be told what to do by other humans,
2790
02:17:05.360 --> 02:17:05.959
I really do.
2791
02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:08.760
I don't like rules. I hate being bossed around. I
2792
02:17:08.799 --> 02:17:09.799
hate being told what to do.
2793
02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:12.559
But you know, we live in a world of lows,
2794
02:17:13.159 --> 02:17:14.959
so you know you're gonna be better off if you
2795
02:17:14.959 --> 02:17:17.079
try and follow them, and if you don't, you get busted.
2796
02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:18.200
You go to court. I don't.
2797
02:17:18.239 --> 02:17:20.319
I don't follow all the laws. You know, Weed's not
2798
02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:22.639
legal in Idaho? I do it I use it anyway,
2799
02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:24.799
and if I get busted, guess what I'm gonna do.
2800
02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:27.719
I'm gonna go to fucking court. You know, I might
2801
02:17:27.719 --> 02:17:30.200
also start a petition to change laws or legally protests.
2802
02:17:30.840 --> 02:17:33.159
I'm gonna for sure talk about how dumb anti weed
2803
02:17:33.239 --> 02:17:35.200
laws are on this podcast and in my stand up.
2804
02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:37.639
What I'm not gonna do is hold up with my
2805
02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:40.920
family in the house and let authorities know that they're
2806
02:17:40.920 --> 02:17:43.879
not taking me without an armed fucking fight, because that
2807
02:17:44.040 --> 02:17:48.399
is ridiculous. That is those are the actions of a maniac.
2808
02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:51.479
So so don't be a maniac, and don't think Randy
2809
02:17:51.520 --> 02:17:54.120
Weaver is anything but a maniac.
2810
02:17:54.600 --> 02:18:01.360
Time now for Top five takeaways. Time shuck to take away.
2811
02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:03.920
Number one.
2812
02:18:04.079 --> 02:18:07.159
There were around four hundred law enforcement of officials called
2813
02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:09.120
in from all over the country to deal with Randy,
2814
02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:12.079
his wife, his kids, and a family friend. A lot
2815
02:18:12.120 --> 02:18:14.680
of tax payer money, millions of dollars spent on one
2816
02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:17.559
dude who didn't want to face his criminal charges.
2817
02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:18.639
Number two.
2818
02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:21.680
The government did make some mistakes when it came to
2819
02:18:21.719 --> 02:18:24.639
handling this situation. At least ONEBI excuse me, at least
2820
02:18:24.639 --> 02:18:27.799
one FBI agent maybe got a little too trigger happy.
2821
02:18:28.239 --> 02:18:30.440
The government did end up paying over three million dollars
2822
02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:34.040
to the Weavers for basically using excessive force in this engagement.
2823
02:18:35.120 --> 02:18:39.079
Number three, believing that Armageddon is coming soon has made
2824
02:18:39.120 --> 02:18:44.879
exactly zero people's lives better. So don't believe that. Number four.
2825
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:47.399
Randy Weaver refused to leave his property for roughly a
2826
02:18:47.440 --> 02:18:49.360
year and a half to avoid going to court, and
2827
02:18:49.360 --> 02:18:51.559
then after the whole mess you heard about today, he
2828
02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:53.920
had to go to court. So go to court. It's
2829
02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:56.239
not the nineteen twenties anymore. You don't get to sneak
2830
02:18:56.280 --> 02:18:58.200
across state lines and hide out from the coppers and
2831
02:18:58.239 --> 02:18:59.879
then start a new life.
2832
02:19:00.159 --> 02:19:03.799
Cot and number five new info kind of.
2833
02:19:04.479 --> 02:19:06.319
I believe I've mentioned this before, but I can't find
2834
02:19:06.319 --> 02:19:08.639
it my old notes after a bit of searching. I
2835
02:19:08.680 --> 02:19:10.479
want to make it clear that the Airy Nation's compound
2836
02:19:10.520 --> 02:19:12.680
that Randy and his family visited is no longer in
2837
02:19:12.760 --> 02:19:16.239
North Idaho. It's founder, Richard Butler, died in two thousand
2838
02:19:16.280 --> 02:19:18.360
and four to age of eighty six, lived a long,
2839
02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:21.360
hateful life, and the compound was lost before he died.
2840
02:19:21.399 --> 02:19:24.840
In two thousand, Victorian Jason Keenan, an American Indian, mother
2841
02:19:24.879 --> 02:19:28.719
and son were harassed at gunpoint by Arian Nations security guards.
2842
02:19:29.079 --> 02:19:32.360
They went on to successfully sue Butler in the compound,
2843
02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:35.840
represented by local attorney Norm Gissel and Morris D's Montgomery,
2844
02:19:35.879 --> 02:19:39.120
Alabama based Southern Poverty Law Center. They won a combined
2845
02:19:39.159 --> 02:19:41.680
civil judgment of six point three million dollars from Butler
2846
02:19:42.000 --> 02:19:44.319
and from the Area Nation's members who attacked him, and
2847
02:19:44.399 --> 02:19:47.559
Butler was forced to give his racist anti government compound
2848
02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:50.280
to the Keenans. They sold it to the car Foundation,
2849
02:19:50.639 --> 02:19:52.799
who then gave it to the North Idaho College Foundation,
2850
02:19:53.319 --> 02:19:55.559
and all of the compounds buildings were torn down and
2851
02:19:55.600 --> 02:19:58.440
the land became just a beautiful slice of forest once
2852
02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:02.280
again put up for sale to raise endowment money recently
2853
02:20:02.319 --> 02:20:06.559
for North Idaho College, and it was not sold to skinheads.
2854
02:20:07.040 --> 02:20:10.520
So please know that North Idaho has changed. We have
2855
02:20:10.600 --> 02:20:13.600
had our share of nuts. We are also no longer
2856
02:20:13.639 --> 02:20:17.719
the land of Ruby Ridge. In the Aryan Nations.
2857
02:20:17.319 --> 02:20:24.200
Time Shuck Top five Takeaway, Ruby Ridge sucked.
2858
02:20:24.520 --> 02:20:26.559
I'm a feeling that's gonna piss off some people with
2859
02:20:26.559 --> 02:20:26.959
this one.
2860
02:20:27.120 --> 02:20:29.440
You know what I looked at it, These.
2861
02:20:29.440 --> 02:20:32.239
The conclusions I came to, and I'm just glad I
2862
02:20:32.280 --> 02:20:34.360
know a lot more about a topic that has been,
2863
02:20:34.399 --> 02:20:36.239
that was brought up so many times around me in
2864
02:20:36.280 --> 02:20:38.879
my youth. I'm sure it's gonna come up again in
2865
02:20:38.879 --> 02:20:42.040
some future conversation with a relative of mine, and I'm
2866
02:20:42.079 --> 02:20:44.719
sure we're not going to agree, and I'm sure that
2867
02:20:44.719 --> 02:20:46.559
I'm gonna be able to speak a lot more intelligently
2868
02:20:46.559 --> 02:20:46.959
about it.
2869
02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:47.760
Than I used to be able to.
2870
02:20:48.600 --> 02:20:50.280
It reminds me of the kill those er tails. Joe
2871
02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:52.840
and I were talking about that before the recording. Right,
2872
02:20:52.879 --> 02:20:55.040
you look online, you read the YouTube comments said, Man,
2873
02:20:55.159 --> 02:20:57.079
just a lot of people want to read into some
2874
02:20:57.159 --> 02:21:00.360
of these stories, just desperately want these people to be
2875
02:21:00.399 --> 02:21:02.959
martyrs and just diehard patriots.
2876
02:21:03.639 --> 02:21:04.360
And that's not true.
2877
02:21:04.399 --> 02:21:06.159
Man. Somebody who just doesn't want to follow the lot?
2878
02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:08.959
To me, how is that a fucking patriot? Fucking terrorist?
2879
02:21:10.559 --> 02:21:12.559
Big thank you to the Time Souck Team, Thanks to
2880
02:21:12.600 --> 02:21:15.000
Queen of the Suck Lindsay Cummins, High Priests of the Suck, Harmony,
2881
02:21:15.040 --> 02:21:17.799
Bella Camp, Reverend Doctor Paisy, the bitelixerr app Design Crew,
2882
02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:21.479
Logan and Katis, Spicy Club, Running Badmagic Merch dot Com,
2883
02:21:21.520 --> 02:21:24.840
and the Scriptkeeper Zach Flannery. Check out the Cold Curious
2884
02:21:25.079 --> 02:21:27.319
Private Facebook group if you want to make some new friends.
2885
02:21:27.559 --> 02:21:29.639
Thank you to the Countess of the Cult Liz Hernandez
2886
02:21:29.680 --> 02:21:32.719
for being a kick ass administrator over sixteen thousand meat
2887
02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:35.799
sacks to meeting there, Hail Nimrod. Thank you to the
2888
02:21:35.840 --> 02:21:38.600
all s and eyes the Cult helping Liz Ellie Darling,
2889
02:21:38.920 --> 02:21:42.920
Robbie Ericsson, Meghan Howell, Danny Ryan, Jacob Carey, and Juan
2890
02:21:42.959 --> 02:21:43.840
Carlos Ramirez.
2891
02:21:43.879 --> 02:21:44.680
Dear Darius.
2892
02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:48.159
Also, the Timestuck Discord channel via the Timesuck app has
2893
02:21:48.200 --> 02:21:51.000
over fifty two hundred diehard suckers being goofy over there.
2894
02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:53.479
Keep growing, keep growing.
2895
02:21:54.600 --> 02:21:56.719
Thank you Beefsteak for doing so much to keep discord
2896
02:21:56.760 --> 02:21:58.920
weird and fun and for sending some friends out to
2897
02:21:58.920 --> 02:22:01.959
say hi to me in DC. Next week we have
2898
02:22:02.000 --> 02:22:03.840
a topic that may, as I write this, also win
2899
02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:08.719
the Next Spaces vote. Harold Shipman aka Doctor Death a
2900
02:22:08.799 --> 02:22:10.799
British doctor who killed over two under of his patients
2901
02:22:10.799 --> 02:22:13.760
before his arrest in nineteen ninety eight. He initially thrived
2902
02:22:13.799 --> 02:22:17.040
as a family practitioner before allegedly becoming addicted to painkillers.
2903
02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:21.280
He forged prescriptions to large amounts of the drug. He
2904
02:22:21.319 --> 02:22:23.920
was forced to leave the practice when he was caught
2905
02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:27.000
by medical colleagues in nineteen seventy five, at which time.
2906
02:22:26.879 --> 02:22:28.520
He entered a rehab program.
2907
02:22:28.799 --> 02:22:31.520
In the subsequent inquiry, he received a small fine and
2908
02:22:31.639 --> 02:22:32.719
conviction for forgery.
2909
02:22:33.399 --> 02:22:34.959
A few years later he.
2910
02:22:34.920 --> 02:22:36.799
Was back to the doctrine, and then a few years
2911
02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:39.959
after that, a local undertaker noticed the doctor Shipman's patients
2912
02:22:40.120 --> 02:22:43.520
seemed to be dying at an unusually high rate and
2913
02:22:43.600 --> 02:22:47.760
exhibited similar poses in death. Most were fully clothed, usually
2914
02:22:47.799 --> 02:22:50.959
sitting or reclining. Doctor Shipman convinced the undertaker there was
2915
02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:52.920
nothing to worry about, but in fact, there was a
2916
02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:56.000
lot to worry about. Doctor Shipman would go on killing
2917
02:22:56.079 --> 02:23:00.000
for many, many years after this undertaker became initially suspicious.
2918
02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:02.440
And then you know what happened. Well, you have to
2919
02:23:02.440 --> 02:23:03.440
find out on next Monday.
2920
02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:05.959
Find out next Monday on another true crime addition of
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02:23:06.040 --> 02:23:08.600
time suck. Now, let's get to the emails many of
2922
02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:11.040
you have been kind enough to send in for today's
2923
02:23:11.440 --> 02:23:13.000
time Sucker Updates.
2924
02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:21.239
Updates, Get your time Sucker updates.
2925
02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:25.840
First up, Eric Supersucker Graham, no stranger to being a
2926
02:23:25.920 --> 02:23:30.319
victim of Cumman's law. Eric writes, dearest suck Master, Holy shit,
2927
02:23:30.360 --> 02:23:32.280
I learned about a new way coming's law and screw you.
2928
02:23:32.879 --> 02:23:34.520
I was making a delivery to one of those large
2929
02:23:34.520 --> 02:23:38.000
family chain or large chain family hotels. The head of
2930
02:23:38.040 --> 02:23:40.600
receiving is this really cool guy, and after talking to
2931
02:23:40.680 --> 02:23:42.479
him for a bit, I thought, yeah, every time to
2932
02:23:42.479 --> 02:23:45.680
spread the suck. I started talking about the brother's grim episode.
2933
02:23:45.879 --> 02:23:48.239
He was a huge fan of them growing up sweet
2934
02:23:48.600 --> 02:23:50.479
so I casually asked if he had heard the story
2935
02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:54.200
about the children the slaughter. He said no, so excitedly
2936
02:23:54.239 --> 02:23:56.079
I decided to share it with him. Well, right as
2937
02:23:56.079 --> 02:23:57.600
I got to the part about the kid getting his
2938
02:23:57.600 --> 02:24:00.280
throat cut, this woman, probably in her twenties, walks right
2939
02:24:00.319 --> 02:24:02.319
past us. I don't see her at first, I had
2940
02:24:02.360 --> 02:24:04.799
my back tour. She didn't fully turn around, but I
2941
02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:06.360
definitely got a look from.
2942
02:24:06.280 --> 02:24:09.879
Her, and then she kept walking. Yep, I had not
2943
02:24:09.920 --> 02:24:12.079
a good one to walking on. It wasn't like I
2944
02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:14.479
could apologize and explain it. How would that sound? Oh?
2945
02:24:14.520 --> 02:24:16.360
Sorry, miss, I was retelling a story from a book
2946
02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:20.680
about children, about children killing another kid. But don't worry,
2947
02:24:20.799 --> 02:24:21.719
it was all just a game.
2948
02:24:21.879 --> 02:24:22.159
Ha ha.
2949
02:24:23.360 --> 02:24:25.000
Well, I hope you enjoyed my tale so far. I'm
2950
02:24:25.040 --> 02:24:28.680
still employed with my company, so that's a plus. Also,
2951
02:24:28.719 --> 02:24:30.319
recently at work, I made a mention about how I
2952
02:24:30.319 --> 02:24:33.280
didn't want to deliver how I didn't want to deliver
2953
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:38.079
to a Polish person. When I was asked why by
2954
02:24:38.200 --> 02:24:40.680
fellow employee, I caught myself trying to explain it and
2955
02:24:40.680 --> 02:24:41.799
then just said, I just kidding.
2956
02:24:42.360 --> 02:24:44.200
Man, you've got a hold of me. Man.
2957
02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:46.360
I guess so, Eric, I'm making a you look as
2958
02:24:46.360 --> 02:24:49.000
crazy to other people as I liked other people. And
2959
02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:51.360
then Eric wrote, ps we met in December, or we
2960
02:24:51.440 --> 02:24:53.879
met in Denver back in November Jesus and I asked
2961
02:24:53.920 --> 02:24:56.159
about the guy that had the sick baby, that update
2962
02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:58.239
that broke so many of our hearts. I was curious
2963
02:24:58.239 --> 02:24:59.840
if you guys have an update to him or a
2964
02:24:59.879 --> 02:25:02.600
f family. Seriously, Dan everyone at time, So thanks for
2965
02:25:02.639 --> 02:25:04.680
all you do. You've created something magical. Praise be a
2966
02:25:04.680 --> 02:25:08.040
triple lam Nimrod definitely louse Afina and to you guys,
2967
02:25:08.639 --> 02:25:10.719
loved you all into my fellow cult members. Keep on
2968
02:25:10.799 --> 02:25:14.600
sucking Eric foot of my mouth. Graham, Thanks Eric, man,
2969
02:25:14.600 --> 02:25:17.360
I appreciate what you said so much. No no update
2970
02:25:17.399 --> 02:25:21.760
on Adam's situation that I'm aware of. I'm gonna hope
2971
02:25:21.760 --> 02:25:23.799
that no news is good news. I'm not gonna intrude
2972
02:25:23.799 --> 02:25:25.680
on him and ask. I'm sure you understand about that,
2973
02:25:26.360 --> 02:25:28.760
but if if we hear something, we will let everybody know.
2974
02:25:29.440 --> 02:25:32.440
So Hail Nimrod and trying to get fired and be careful.
2975
02:25:33.520 --> 02:25:38.239
Top shelf Meet Zach, Michael Avilia or Villa or a Villa,
2976
02:25:38.360 --> 02:25:40.799
A Villa A villa now writes the other with a
2977
02:25:40.840 --> 02:25:45.120
reminder to be constantly vigilant. Michael writes good pre evening,
2978
02:25:45.399 --> 02:25:48.200
pre evening suck Team. I just finished the Girl Scout
2979
02:25:48.200 --> 02:25:51.399
Cookie murders, This Girl Scout Cookie murders. Sorry, that is
2980
02:25:51.559 --> 02:25:53.280
maybe I don't think you probably meant to right it
2981
02:25:53.280 --> 02:25:53.520
that way.
2982
02:25:53.799 --> 02:25:54.079
Agree.
2983
02:25:54.159 --> 02:25:56.879
Yes, I'm a little behind since I lost my car,
2984
02:25:56.959 --> 02:25:59.159
but I'm catching up. I wanted to address the things
2985
02:25:59.239 --> 02:26:02.000
children here and see. About two months ago, my girls
2986
02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:04.000
told me they were being watched while they slept. My
2987
02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:06.760
initial response was less than fatherly. I said, how could
2988
02:26:06.760 --> 02:26:09.120
you tell if someone's watching you sleep if you're asleep.
2989
02:26:10.079 --> 02:26:11.719
He then told me that they'd seen a man outside
2990
02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:13.360
the window. Again, I didn't believe him. I told him
2991
02:26:13.360 --> 02:26:15.840
to go back to bed. The kid's room is downstairs
2992
02:26:15.879 --> 02:26:17.600
and their window is in our gated backyard. Where I
2993
02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:19.959
left my dog outs Because the room is downstairs, it's
2994
02:26:19.959 --> 02:26:23.280
also halfway underground, which means their window is at ground level,
2995
02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:25.680
so it's easy for me to brush it off as
2996
02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:28.280
them just seeing the dog outside or whatever. A month
2997
02:26:28.280 --> 02:26:30.319
and a half goes by with nothing else happening, but
2998
02:26:30.360 --> 02:26:32.479
then one night my dog starts growling, barking, and starling
2999
02:26:32.520 --> 02:26:35.079
at the window downstairs in the laundry area. My little
3000
02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:37.479
brother runs downstairs to see the dog, and then he
3001
02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:40.079
sees a guy's feet outside the window. This was about
3002
02:26:40.079 --> 02:26:42.440
six pm. It gets dark pretty early around this time
3003
02:26:42.440 --> 02:26:45.079
in Colorado Springs. We ran outside to see if we
3004
02:26:45.079 --> 02:26:47.239
could catch this guy standing outside the window, but he
3005
02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:49.879
had taken off down the street and disappeared. Had my
3006
02:26:49.959 --> 02:26:51.719
dog been able to break the window, she probably would
3007
02:26:51.760 --> 02:26:54.399
have eaten him. The kids have been sleeping in the
3008
02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:56.840
living room since then, and I moved cameras to see
3009
02:26:56.840 --> 02:26:59.120
the outside of the house better. I now keep both
3010
02:26:59.200 --> 02:27:01.440
my porch lights on it night, and I'm constantly checking
3011
02:27:01.440 --> 02:27:04.120
my locks. After listening to the girl scout murders, I
3012
02:27:04.159 --> 02:27:06.719
realized I would have done what those counselors did.
3013
02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:09.079
My kids told me about a guy a couple.
3014
02:27:08.959 --> 02:27:10.719
Months ago, and I wrote it off as nothing but
3015
02:27:10.760 --> 02:27:14.200
my dog, and then confirmed it with my own eyes
3016
02:27:14.479 --> 02:27:15.559
a month and a half later.
3017
02:27:15.440 --> 02:27:16.000
That they were right.
3018
02:27:16.319 --> 02:27:18.319
I haven't able to stop thinking about how I ignored
3019
02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:20.520
their words and then that it could have been their
3020
02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:23.600
last words because of what was going on. It's a
3021
02:27:23.600 --> 02:27:26.079
scary world we meet sex living, but it will be
3022
02:27:26.120 --> 02:27:28.239
a cold day in Nimrod's butthole before I let someone
3023
02:27:28.319 --> 02:27:31.760
hurt my children. I understand where the counselors could have
3024
02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:34.000
easily written off a child's claim because I did that
3025
02:27:34.040 --> 02:27:36.440
with my own girls. But I can assure you I
3026
02:27:36.440 --> 02:27:38.479
will check every claim they make from now on. It
3027
02:27:38.559 --> 02:27:40.680
was a real wake up call, as annoying as false
3028
02:27:40.680 --> 02:27:42.959
claim can be. I don't want to write the one
3029
02:27:43.360 --> 02:27:46.079
real claim off when it could be their last. I
3030
02:27:46.120 --> 02:27:48.120
know it's a long email, but I had to share
3031
02:27:48.159 --> 02:27:51.559
my tail and spread the word. Heed your children's claims.
3032
02:27:52.280 --> 02:27:54.639
One day it could be real, and I'd hate to
3033
02:27:54.639 --> 02:27:57.600
see it in the news. Hail Nimrod and keep on sacking. Yes,
3034
02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:00.760
scary shit, Michael, and I think it in the same thing,
3035
02:28:00.879 --> 02:28:03.639
you know initially as well, not now though, not after
3036
02:28:04.040 --> 02:28:06.079
that suck and not after you know, messages like this
3037
02:28:06.840 --> 02:28:09.639
great reminder to be a little extra vigilant because you
3038
02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:11.840
never know. I think about that more off of the
3039
02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:14.719
Joseph Duncan suck as well. Best to take fewer chances.
3040
02:28:15.120 --> 02:28:17.840
Most people are good, I believe that very much. With
3041
02:28:17.879 --> 02:28:20.000
the small minority that are not good, man, they can
3042
02:28:20.079 --> 02:28:24.680
be so very very bad, And because of those bad assholes,
3043
02:28:24.680 --> 02:28:26.120
the rest of us need to watch our backs and
3044
02:28:26.159 --> 02:28:28.120
watch after each other. So thank you for sending that
3045
02:28:28.159 --> 02:28:32.879
in time. Stuck or extraordinaire verak Lee now has a
3046
02:28:32.920 --> 02:28:36.840
powerful personal connection to share about last week's Khmer Rouge suck.
3047
02:28:37.239 --> 02:28:41.520
Barrock writes her, Hey, sir, sucker of time, I just
3048
02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:43.559
wanted to say thank you for educating people about that
3049
02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:47.000
asshole Polepot and the killing fields of Cambodia. My mother
3050
02:28:47.120 --> 02:28:49.680
was a kid there during all this chaos. She is
3051
02:28:49.680 --> 02:28:52.680
still traumatized by it to this day. My mom would
3052
02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:54.639
tell me things she had witnessed, and it would blow
3053
02:28:54.680 --> 02:28:57.719
my mind on how ruthless these Khmer Rouge fuckers were.
3054
02:28:58.159 --> 02:29:01.319
They gave no shits about human life. They murdered my
3055
02:29:01.360 --> 02:29:04.760
mom's sister and her kids, and also starved my grandpa
3056
02:29:04.799 --> 02:29:07.559
to death. She once told me she saw these soldiers
3057
02:29:07.600 --> 02:29:09.479
who were helping this lady give birth to a child,
3058
02:29:09.760 --> 02:29:12.799
then threw her baby in the air and bayonetted.
3059
02:29:12.159 --> 02:29:13.959
The baby after it was delivered. Fuck.
3060
02:29:16.159 --> 02:29:17.879
She also told me that she remembers the smell of
3061
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a bunch of dead bodies burning when she was in
3062
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a little village area she had to stay in. These
3063
02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:24.479
guys were sick in the head. They would even kick
3064
02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:26.879
my mom's food over onto the dirt and laugh at
3065
02:29:26.879 --> 02:29:29.760
my mom while calling her names. When the Khmer rouge
3066
02:29:29.799 --> 02:29:31.920
were coming to an end, they had my mother run
3067
02:29:32.000 --> 02:29:34.280
into the jungle and then they shot at her. Bullets
3068
02:29:34.280 --> 02:29:36.360
whizzed passed her and others who had also been running
3069
02:29:36.360 --> 02:29:39.040
with her. While running, she was hitting the shoulder and
3070
02:29:39.120 --> 02:29:41.000
knocked her down, but then she got up and kept
3071
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running until she got to Thailand. In Thailand, she became
3072
02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.239
a refugee and the event she was sponsored to come
3073
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to the States. Sorry for the long essay, but love
3074
02:29:48.680 --> 02:29:50.159
what you're doing with time suck. Hope you have a
3075
02:29:50.159 --> 02:29:53.920
great day, and fuck communism. Holy shit, for acman, that
3076
02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:57.239
is intense. Your mom is strong to power through all
3077
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of that. I hope her life is amazing right now.
3078
02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:01.600
Please give a big hug from me and the team
3079
02:30:02.040 --> 02:30:04.920
tell her how much we love her. Of course he's traumatized.
3080
02:30:05.719 --> 02:30:07.280
Now what the fuck did any of that have to
3081
02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:09.600
do with farming? By the way, right, how did all
3082
02:30:09.600 --> 02:30:12.639
that cruelty come out of Polpot's supposed wish to have
3083
02:30:12.719 --> 02:30:17.280
people live simpler, happier agrarian lives. That guy was such
3084
02:30:17.280 --> 02:30:20.399
an epic piece of shit. Anyone who thinks Polpot was
3085
02:30:20.479 --> 02:30:22.079
anything but a piece of shit needs to have their
3086
02:30:22.120 --> 02:30:26.319
head checked. Glad you're enjoying the show, Hail Nimrod and
3087
02:30:26.360 --> 02:30:28.760
sweet Sucker. Nate Starling also would like to share a
3088
02:30:28.799 --> 02:30:31.799
personal connection to last week's Kamara Rouge suck writing first
3089
02:30:31.879 --> 02:30:35.280
time message leaving spaces or Nate Starling here from Fresno, California,
3090
02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:37.680
just wanted to leave a message and say that this
3091
02:30:37.760 --> 02:30:41.120
recent Polepot episode was my f was has been my
3092
02:30:41.440 --> 02:30:44.760
favorite by far. I've been waiting for it decline the
3093
02:30:44.840 --> 02:30:47.000
charts and finally it became a Monday suck.
3094
02:30:47.760 --> 02:30:49.840
Hail Nimrod, I wanted to let you Dan.
3095
02:30:50.559 --> 02:30:53.000
I want to let you Dan and all the times
3096
02:30:53.000 --> 02:30:55.440
of the community know that this event in history, like
3097
02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:58.959
so many others, still affects mandividuals. Individuals to this day.
3098
02:30:59.520 --> 02:31:01.840
My best friend's older brother's wife is a child of
3099
02:31:01.840 --> 02:31:04.879
some Cambodian natives who survived and escaped to genocide and
3100
02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:07.559
made it to the States. For privacy reasons, I will
3101
02:31:07.559 --> 02:31:10.239
not mention my friends nor his wife's names. She was
3102
02:31:10.280 --> 02:31:12.399
born here in the States after her parents made it
3103
02:31:12.399 --> 02:31:15.200
here safely. Their journey to come here was not one
3104
02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:17.559
of choice. They had to escape, plain and simple. It
3105
02:31:17.600 --> 02:31:20.360
was that or die. Her mother and father had already
3106
02:31:20.399 --> 02:31:23.760
had three to four children. According to her father, they
3107
02:31:23.799 --> 02:31:27.200
all died of either malnourishment or murder. Her mother and
3108
02:31:27.239 --> 02:31:30.159
father fought back at the Cambodian jungle, they were tracked
3109
02:31:30.159 --> 02:31:34.280
down and fired upon by communist forces. The obtained firearms,
3110
02:31:34.440 --> 02:31:37.639
got into a firefight with the Khmer rouge had to
3111
02:31:37.680 --> 02:31:40.840
kill them to survive. It is completely otherworldly for me
3112
02:31:40.879 --> 02:31:42.920
to even think about a poor husband and wife side
3113
02:31:42.920 --> 02:31:46.239
by side shooting communists in the Cambodian jungle.
3114
02:31:45.959 --> 02:31:48.639
To stay alive. But that's what happened the events.
3115
02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:50.920
She made it to the States had more children, by
3116
02:31:50.959 --> 02:31:53.239
friend's wife being one of them. She has said that
3117
02:31:53.280 --> 02:31:56.559
the events changed her parents forever. They are kind, gentle people,
3118
02:31:56.559 --> 02:32:00.680
but her mother constantly has nightmares from PTSD has what
3119
02:32:00.760 --> 02:32:02.959
seems to be moments of what feels like schizophrenia, where
3120
02:32:03.000 --> 02:32:06.040
she will hide under her bed or excuse me, or
3121
02:32:06.079 --> 02:32:08.639
hide in her closet thinking that the communist regime is
3122
02:32:08.639 --> 02:32:11.520
coming to get her all over again. Like I said,
3123
02:32:12.040 --> 02:32:13.760
I have never and will never ask her about it
3124
02:32:13.840 --> 02:32:15.719
unless she directly brings a topic up. I just thought
3125
02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:18.479
i'd tell you spaceers and time Sucker is a small
3126
02:32:18.520 --> 02:32:19.680
portion of her parents' story.
3127
02:32:19.879 --> 02:32:22.200
I know it's not a lot, but it's all I
3128
02:32:22.239 --> 02:32:23.040
know of the event.
3129
02:32:23.399 --> 02:32:25.399
Just know that things like this happened over four decades
3130
02:32:25.399 --> 02:32:28.399
ago and they severely affect lives still today. It goes
3131
02:32:28.440 --> 02:32:30.239
without saying that Paul pot was a huge piece of
3132
02:32:30.239 --> 02:32:33.559
shit and deserves the idiotic title we have so pricely
3133
02:32:33.639 --> 02:32:37.159
we have so precisely given him. Hail Nimrod and have
3134
02:32:37.239 --> 02:32:41.040
a wonderful week. Yeah yah, yeah, thank you, Nate Man.
3135
02:32:41.079 --> 02:32:44.079
I bet yous, PTSD and that poor country. I hope
3136
02:32:44.079 --> 02:32:46.120
they have nothing but good times coming, you know, in
3137
02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:49.799
their cultural future. And finally, kick ass meatzach Ms Cooper
3138
02:32:49.799 --> 02:32:51.719
sends me a message. It made me feel really good,
3139
02:32:51.920 --> 02:32:55.719
she wrote, daniel Lemanual, I apologize for how lame that
3140
02:32:55.799 --> 02:32:57.799
name is. I'm a high school teacher. I'm assuming my
3141
02:32:57.840 --> 02:33:00.159
job wouldn't appreciate me calling you the suck lord, or
3142
02:33:00.239 --> 02:33:03.920
cult leader or motherfucking mushmouth, just to name a few.
3143
02:33:04.319 --> 02:33:05.959
I know, I know, it's crazy to think that, even
3144
02:33:05.959 --> 02:33:08.000
in twenty twenty, parents refuse to believe their kids can
3145
02:33:08.040 --> 02:33:11.879
say things like fuck not their precious baby. Anyway, I'm
3146
02:33:11.920 --> 02:33:13.879
reaching out to let you know how profound and uplifting
3147
02:33:13.959 --> 02:33:16.120
the intro to the brothers Grim Suck was for me.
3148
02:33:16.440 --> 02:33:17.959
I'm a huge fan, so as soon as I heard
3149
02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:19.600
that they were the topic, I knew I had to
3150
02:33:19.600 --> 02:33:22.159
listen as soon as possible. With that, I've gotten several
3151
02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:24.040
of my students to join the Cult of the Curious,
3152
02:33:24.360 --> 02:33:25.840
but it's still not enough to prove to them that
3153
02:33:25.920 --> 02:33:29.239
learning is fun. So to remedy this, I'm using your
3154
02:33:29.319 --> 02:33:31.239
intro of that suck in a lecture tomorrow for my
3155
02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:34.799
Gift Accelerated classes. The students are working on a hero's
3156
02:33:34.879 --> 02:33:37.479
Journey project in which they create a visual representation of
3157
02:33:37.479 --> 02:33:40.319
their own hero's journey. I find it very important for
3158
02:33:40.360 --> 02:33:42.639
my students to know that what they do and say matters.
3159
02:33:43.479 --> 02:33:46.799
Mostly also that they learn that they have a story
3160
02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:49.639
to tell that is most certainly worth a listen. I
3161
02:33:49.680 --> 02:33:51.920
feel confident that your intro will light the fire they need,
3162
02:33:52.040 --> 02:33:54.000
just like it did for me yesterday as I listened
3163
02:33:54.040 --> 02:33:56.799
to that episode insummation. Thank you for all that you
3164
02:33:56.840 --> 02:33:58.479
and your Times to their crew do for us. Meet Sax,
3165
02:33:58.600 --> 02:34:01.280
keep sucking the truth because I have over one hundred
3166
02:34:01.319 --> 02:34:04.239
many meat sacks who need truth. Oh and I'm going
3167
02:34:04.280 --> 02:34:05.879
to your stand up show in late April when you
3168
02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:08.120
come to Atlanta. Gonna save up every penny of my
3169
02:34:08.159 --> 02:34:10.399
teacher budget to be sure that in addition to my ticket,
3170
02:34:10.440 --> 02:34:13.760
I get a strong drink, a good laugh, and an
3171
02:34:13.799 --> 02:34:15.799
inappropriate tea shirt that I can never wear to work.
3172
02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:18.360
And one last thing, I wish you and Lindsay. I
3173
02:34:18.360 --> 02:34:20.879
wish that Lindsay and I were best bros. Oh my god, hilarious.
3174
02:34:20.879 --> 02:34:24.319
She's the fucking best. You're okay too, Forever a learner
3175
02:34:24.360 --> 02:34:27.280
and always curious. Miss Cooper, the little hippie teacher with
3176
02:34:27.319 --> 02:34:29.680
green hair that curses in her lectures.
3177
02:34:30.040 --> 02:34:32.719
Well, thank you, Ms Cooper. I hope you are right.
3178
02:34:32.760 --> 02:34:34.559
I hope I can inspire some students to tell some
3179
02:34:34.639 --> 02:34:37.559
of their stories. I'm honored that it inspired you. Yes,
3180
02:34:37.600 --> 02:34:39.680
we all have stories to tell. I have so much
3181
02:34:39.719 --> 02:34:41.799
respect for good teachers are so important to the world.
3182
02:34:42.000 --> 02:34:44.680
You are the stewards and shepherds of our future, nurturing
3183
02:34:44.719 --> 02:34:47.000
the minds that will soon rule the world. Hailing them,
3184
02:34:47.079 --> 02:34:49.520
rot to you. I'll see us student Atlanta. And that's
3185
02:34:49.520 --> 02:34:51.239
all for this week.
3186
02:34:54.000 --> 02:35:00.200
Thanks time, suckus, I needed next. We all did have
3187
02:35:00.280 --> 02:35:00.840
a great week.
3188
02:35:00.879 --> 02:35:02.959
Meet Zach's don't kick off a year and a half
3189
02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:05.559
long arm standoff with federal agents because you refuse to
3190
02:35:05.559 --> 02:35:10.280
go to court and keep on fucking sucking.
3191
02:35:18.879 --> 02:35:20.440
You have to go to court right now.
3192
02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:24.200
No I don't, not that court date. No I don't.
3193
02:35:24.399 --> 02:35:26.879
They can come get me and.
3194
02:35:26.920 --> 02:35:30.879
It's lights out set up. Waits a minute. This isn't
3195
02:35:30.959 --> 02:35:34.879
like any other Formula One season. It's a whole new era,
3196
02:35:36.319 --> 02:35:40.159
new teams, new rules, new cars.
3197
02:35:42.399 --> 02:35:45.879
Air On is back and you won't want some miss its.
3198
02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:51.600
Okay, now we're ready, Join us on the grid and
3199
02:35:51.719 --> 02:35:55.520
watch every f on race live only on Sky Sports.