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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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this episode, we're going to spin back out to Utah
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and we're going to get an update on what's going
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on with Charlie Kirk. Because now we're hearing that his
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family has filed a wrongful death notice, which is the
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prelude usually to a lawsuit. And they're claiming that there
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wasn't enough security on the campus and that the campus
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was at fault basically. for not securing the area where
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Charlie was going to give this speech. And according to them,
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it was a string of reckless decisions that led to
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Charlie being murdered. So today, we have an article from news4jax. com
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and the headline. Charlie Kirk's family says security failures by
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Utah officials led to his assassination. And look, there's no
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doubt about it. If you're going to have an event
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like this, you have to make sure it's secured. So,
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I think that Charlie Kirk's family, they might have an
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argument here. Now, is it going to end up being
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something they come out victorious in at the end? Who knows?
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But I think there's a legitimate argument to be made. Now,
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on the flip side of that, you have to think
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that Charlie Kirk understood that there was a lot of
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tension and there was a lot of threats against him
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and a lot of people that didn't agree with what
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he was saying. Now, of course, none of that makes
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it okay. But when you're somebody that's a public figure
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and you're in the public light and there's, you know,
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death threats against you, you have to make sure that
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you're doing everything in your power to make sure that
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you're safe. So did Charlie's team coordinate correctly with UVU? Again,
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we just don't know. But when you have civil lawsuits,
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that's a good way to get to the bottom of
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all of it. This article was authored by Hannah Schoenbaum
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and Matthew Brown. Charlie Kirk's family blame Utah officials for
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failing to prevent the conservative activist's assassination at a state
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university in a wrongful death, notice announced Wednesday that precludes
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a possible lawsuit. Attorneys for the family said Kirk's death
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resulted from a string of reckless decisions by officials at
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Utah Valley University that left him exposed to the rooftop sniper,
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who fired a fatal shot from more than 400 feet,
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122 meters away, on September 10, 2025. The university has
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faced harsh criticism for a lack of key safety measures
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on the day of the shooting. And look, these are
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all legitimate questions, right? And all legitimate paths that should
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be traveled during the investigation. Did Utah Valley University know
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more than they let on? Was there a threat that
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they knew about? Should they have had more officers? Should
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they have, you know, planned better? And all of that's
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going to end up coming out in this civil lawsuit
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if it ends up progressing. But we know that a
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lot of these lawsuits don't even get to the point
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where there's real discovery. Real depositions. Because people understand how
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damaging that could be. So they'd rather just settle. And
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we've seen it time and time again. Will we see
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that here? We'll have to wait and see. Kirk, 31,
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had been debating students at an outdoor courtyard surrounded by
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tall buildings with several thousands of people in attendance. An
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Associated Press review following the shooting showed the campus in
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Orem did not use several public safety practices that have
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become standard safeguards at events around the country. So look,
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if they have liability, they have liability. And if people
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want to talk about the circumstances that led to Charlie's death,
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I think this is a legitimate conversation to have. Certainly
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much more legitimate than Egyptian airplanes and exploding microphones. Because
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when I say I don't believe the bullshit that people
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are talking, that doesn't mean I believe the government story.
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It just means I don't believe the nonsense that people
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are pitching to draw clicks. Do you really think that
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people believe that there was Egyptian helicopters or planes or whatever?
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I mean, come on. And then, of course, we have
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the receipt from the steakhouse that's been completely debunked. And
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what's crazy is they just keep doubling down. And what
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I'm saying is there's actual legitimate things that should be investigated.
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But when you waste so much time on nonsense, none
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of that occurs, does it? Campus police staffing was far
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below recommended levels for a school of that size. They
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also did not fly a drone to monitor rooftops or
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coordinate with local law enforcement to secure the event attended
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by about 3,000 people. There was no bag check or
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metal detectors. Well, I don't know about metal detectors, but
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a bag check at the very least. I mean, you
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might want to take a look in that bag to
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see what somebody has. Especially considering the rhetoric that Charlie
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Kirk was using. And it's not like it's a surprise
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that people don't agree. So yeah, I would say that's
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a bit negligent. If you know you're going to have
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somebody that's controversial speak on your campus, then it's up
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to you to provide the proper amount of security. The
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risk of a rooftop shooter should have been especially top
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of mind given the attempted assassination of President Trump. Charlie
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Kirk family attorney D. Lauren Washburn wrote in the notice
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to state and university officials. And that's also legitimate. Whether
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you believe what happened in Butler is true or not,
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there should have been drones after that situation occurred. That
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way security could have been on point. Now, there's going
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to be people out there that say, oh, they did
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this on purpose because they were in on it. I
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don't believe that. More times than not, these police agencies,
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especially smaller towns, smaller universities, they're not that well trained.
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They're not used to dealing with this shit. They have
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no idea how to deal with this kind of political assassination.
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And they always think it'll never happen to us, until
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that shit does. The document, dated September 9th, a day
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before the one-year anniversary of Kirk's death, is a required
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step under the state law before his family can file
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a formal claim or lawsuit. It names the university, and then-president,
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Astrid Tuminez, the campus police department, and its chief, Jeffrey Long,
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and the state of Utah. A spokesperson for Utah Valley
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University said the school was aware of the notice and
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would address it consistent with our established process. Our focus
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remains on supporting our campus community, spokesperson Sharon Turner said
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in a statement. Oh, I bet she did. Leave that
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to legal. You're not going to hear any of these
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administrators say anything because they know that a lawsuit's imminent.
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And I think that Charlie Kirk's family, they're going to
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push for it, and I think they're going to file it.
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Is it going to be successful? I would say that
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those odds are probably 50-50. The Utah Attorney General's Office
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said it does not comment on potential litigation. Attorneys for
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Kirk's family alleged additional lapses by officials, including not conducting
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an adequate risk assessment before approving the event, failing to
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establish a secure perimeter, and having no first responders immediately available,
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resulting in Kirk being taken to a nearby hospital in
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a private vehicle rather than an ambulance after he was shot.
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How don't you have an ambulance and paramedics on site?
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You have all these people there. Anything could happen. Somebody
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could collapse. There could be have an allergic reaction, a
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heart attack, get knocked over, whatever it might be. And
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you don't have a paramedic. That doesn't seem like a
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good idea because the optics of him being loaded into
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that suburban were not good. I mean, imagine getting shot
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in the neck like that and there not being any
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kind of medical response and your friends throw you in
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the suburban. Tahoe, whatever it is, and take you to
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the hospital? Tragically, the UVU parties took none of these
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safety measures, steps only, they had the authority to take,
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resulting in a situation that rendered Mr. Kirk helpless before
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his assassination, Washburn wrote. Long said after the shooting that
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six of his officers staffed the event and coordinated with
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Kirk's eight-person private security team. The school said it was
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expanding its police force following the shooting. So there were
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six officers and eight members of Charlie's security team. You
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mean to tell me he has more personal security than
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you have officers on campus? You can't bring people in
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some overtime for local police officers or whatever? Like they
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do for concerts and events? Seems like piss poor planning
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if you're asking me. Utah resident Tyler Robinson turned himself
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in a day after Kirk's killing. Prosecutors say that he
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told his romantic partner that he had enough of Kirk's hatred.
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Robinson is charged with aggravated murder making him eligible for
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the death penalty if convicted. A judge on September 1st
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ordered the case to proceed toward trial. A date has
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not yet been set, and I doubt it's going to
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be set anytime soon. There's still a long way to go,
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and there's going to be many motions, many, many motions,
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that look to delay this. That's what his team's going
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to try and do, and I expect them to use
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the same strategy that Brian Koberger used so successfully. Look
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for a venue change, the whole thing. They're going to
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go for the gusto. Mark my words. Prosecutors, during a
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prelim hearing in July, presented what they characterized as overwhelming
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evidence against Robinson. That includes surveillance video of Robinson on
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the campus, DNA tests linking him to a rifle found
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near the assassination site, and a handwritten note he allegedly
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left for his romantic partner to read. I had the
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opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I took it.
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Kirk's parents, Robert and Catherine Kirk and widow, Erica Kirk,
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attended the hearings. State law allows heirs or personal representatives
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of people who die to file lawsuits seeking damages if
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the death was caused by a wrongful or negligent act.
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The notice from the Kirk family did not specify what
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damages they may seek. And like usual, once we have
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something new, we'll definitely get it added because there's no
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doubt that the university is going to respond. So once
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we have that response, We'll definitely add that to the
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catalog and we'll keep the conversation going. But until then,
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that's going to do it for this one. All the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box.
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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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this episode, we're going to spin back out to Utah
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and we're going to get an update on what's going
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on with Charlie Kirk. Because now we're hearing that his
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family has filed a wrongful death notice, which is the
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prelude usually to a lawsuit. And they're claiming that there
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wasn't enough security on the campus and that the campus
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was at fault basically. for not securing the area where
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Charlie was going to give this speech. And according to them,
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it was a string of reckless decisions that led to
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Charlie being murdered. So today, we have an article from news4jax. com
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and the headline. Charlie Kirk's family says security failures by
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Utah officials led to his assassination. And look, there's no
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doubt about it. If you're going to have an event
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like this, you have to make sure it's secured. So,
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I think that Charlie Kirk's family, they might have an
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argument here. Now, is it going to end up being
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something they come out victorious in at the end? Who knows?
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But I think there's a legitimate argument to be made. Now,
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on the flip side of that, you have to think
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that Charlie Kirk understood that there was a lot of
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tension and there was a lot of threats against him
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and a lot of people that didn't agree with what
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he was saying. Now, of course, none of that makes
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it okay. But when you're somebody that's a public figure
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and you're in the public light and there's, you know,
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death threats against you, you have to make sure that
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you're doing everything in your power to make sure that
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you're safe. So did Charlie's team coordinate correctly with UVU? Again,
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we just don't know. But when you have civil lawsuits,
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that's a good way to get to the bottom of
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all of it. This article was authored by Hannah Schoenbaum
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and Matthew Brown. Charlie Kirk's family blame Utah officials for
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failing to prevent the conservative activist's assassination at a state
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university in a wrongful death, notice announced Wednesday that precludes
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a possible lawsuit. Attorneys for the family said Kirk's death
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resulted from a string of reckless decisions by officials at
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Utah Valley University that left him exposed to the rooftop sniper,
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who fired a fatal shot from more than 400 feet,
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122 meters away, on September 10, 2025. The university has
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faced harsh criticism for a lack of key safety measures
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on the day of the shooting. And look, these are
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all legitimate questions, right? And all legitimate paths that should
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be traveled during the investigation. Did Utah Valley University know
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more than they let on? Was there a threat that
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they knew about? Should they have had more officers? Should
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they have, you know, planned better? And all of that's
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going to end up coming out in this civil lawsuit
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if it ends up progressing. But we know that a
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lot of these lawsuits don't even get to the point
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where there's real discovery. Real depositions. Because people understand how
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damaging that could be. So they'd rather just settle. And
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we've seen it time and time again. Will we see
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that here? We'll have to wait and see. Kirk, 31,
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had been debating students at an outdoor courtyard surrounded by
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tall buildings with several thousands of people in attendance. An
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Associated Press review following the shooting showed the campus in
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Orem did not use several public safety practices that have
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become standard safeguards at events around the country. So look,
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if they have liability, they have liability. And if people
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want to talk about the circumstances that led to Charlie's death,
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I think this is a legitimate conversation to have. Certainly
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much more legitimate than Egyptian airplanes and exploding microphones. Because
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when I say I don't believe the bullshit that people
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are talking, that doesn't mean I believe the government story.
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It just means I don't believe the nonsense that people
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are pitching to draw clicks. Do you really think that
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people believe that there was Egyptian helicopters or planes or whatever?
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I mean, come on. And then, of course, we have
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the receipt from the steakhouse that's been completely debunked. And
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what's crazy is they just keep doubling down. And what
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I'm saying is there's actual legitimate things that should be investigated.
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But when you waste so much time on nonsense, none
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of that occurs, does it? Campus police staffing was far
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below recommended levels for a school of that size. They
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also did not fly a drone to monitor rooftops or
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coordinate with local law enforcement to secure the event attended
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by about 3,000 people. There was no bag check or
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metal detectors. Well, I don't know about metal detectors, but
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a bag check at the very least. I mean, you
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might want to take a look in that bag to
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see what somebody has. Especially considering the rhetoric that Charlie
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Kirk was using. And it's not like it's a surprise
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that people don't agree. So yeah, I would say that's
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a bit negligent. If you know you're going to have
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somebody that's controversial speak on your campus, then it's up
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to you to provide the proper amount of security. The
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risk of a rooftop shooter should have been especially top
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of mind given the attempted assassination of President Trump. Charlie
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Kirk family attorney D. Lauren Washburn wrote in the notice
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to state and university officials. And that's also legitimate. Whether
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you believe what happened in Butler is true or not,
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there should have been drones after that situation occurred. That
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way security could have been on point. Now, there's going
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to be people out there that say, oh, they did
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this on purpose because they were in on it. I
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don't believe that. More times than not, these police agencies,
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especially smaller towns, smaller universities, they're not that well trained.
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They're not used to dealing with this shit. They have
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no idea how to deal with this kind of political assassination.
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And they always think it'll never happen to us, until
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that shit does. The document, dated September 9th, a day
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before the one-year anniversary of Kirk's death, is a required
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step under the state law before his family can file
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a formal claim or lawsuit. It names the university, and then-president,
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Astrid Tuminez, the campus police department, and its chief, Jeffrey Long,
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and the state of Utah. A spokesperson for Utah Valley
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University said the school was aware of the notice and
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would address it consistent with our established process. Our focus
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remains on supporting our campus community, spokesperson Sharon Turner said
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in a statement. Oh, I bet she did. Leave that
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to legal. You're not going to hear any of these
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administrators say anything because they know that a lawsuit's imminent.
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And I think that Charlie Kirk's family, they're going to
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push for it, and I think they're going to file it.
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Is it going to be successful? I would say that
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those odds are probably 50-50. The Utah Attorney General's Office
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said it does not comment on potential litigation. Attorneys for
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Kirk's family alleged additional lapses by officials, including not conducting
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an adequate risk assessment before approving the event, failing to
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establish a secure perimeter, and having no first responders immediately available,
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resulting in Kirk being taken to a nearby hospital in
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a private vehicle rather than an ambulance after he was shot.
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How don't you have an ambulance and paramedics on site?
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You have all these people there. Anything could happen. Somebody
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could collapse. There could be have an allergic reaction, a
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heart attack, get knocked over, whatever it might be. And
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you don't have a paramedic. That doesn't seem like a
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good idea because the optics of him being loaded into
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that suburban were not good. I mean, imagine getting shot
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in the neck like that and there not being any
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kind of medical response and your friends throw you in
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the suburban. Tahoe, whatever it is, and take you to
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the hospital? Tragically, the UVU parties took none of these
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safety measures, steps only, they had the authority to take,
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resulting in a situation that rendered Mr. Kirk helpless before
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his assassination, Washburn wrote. Long said after the shooting that
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six of his officers staffed the event and coordinated with
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Kirk's eight-person private security team. The school said it was
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expanding its police force following the shooting. So there were
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six officers and eight members of Charlie's security team. You
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mean to tell me he has more personal security than
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you have officers on campus? You can't bring people in
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some overtime for local police officers or whatever? Like they
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do for concerts and events? Seems like piss poor planning
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if you're asking me. Utah resident Tyler Robinson turned himself
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in a day after Kirk's killing. Prosecutors say that he
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told his romantic partner that he had enough of Kirk's hatred.
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Robinson is charged with aggravated murder making him eligible for
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the death penalty if convicted. A judge on September 1st
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ordered the case to proceed toward trial. A date has
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not yet been set, and I doubt it's going to
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be set anytime soon. There's still a long way to go,
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and there's going to be many motions, many, many motions,
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that look to delay this. That's what his team's going
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to try and do, and I expect them to use
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the same strategy that Brian Koberger used so successfully. Look
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for a venue change, the whole thing. They're going to
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go for the gusto. Mark my words. Prosecutors, during a
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prelim hearing in July, presented what they characterized as overwhelming
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evidence against Robinson. That includes surveillance video of Robinson on
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the campus, DNA tests linking him to a rifle found
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near the assassination site, and a handwritten note he allegedly
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left for his romantic partner to read. I had the
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opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I took it.
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Kirk's parents, Robert and Catherine Kirk and widow, Erica Kirk,
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attended the hearings. State law allows heirs or personal representatives
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of people who die to file lawsuits seeking damages if
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the death was caused by a wrongful or negligent act.
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The notice from the Kirk family did not specify what
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damages they may seek. And like usual, once we have
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something new, we'll definitely get it added because there's no
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doubt that the university is going to respond. So once
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we have that response, We'll definitely add that to the
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catalog and we'll keep the conversation going. But until then,
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that's going to do it for this one. All the
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