Split Your Head - Ep. 66 - Interview with Joshua Gratton (Platypus)

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Hello, and welcome to Split Your Head. I'm your host, Bob,
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and today's special guest is Joshua Gratton, a BC-based filmmaker
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whose brand new film, Platypus, just premiered at Fantastic Fest.
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What is Platypus? Why, it's a Murder Drone masterpiece. What
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is Murder Drone? Well, that's why I've got Joshua Gratton
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on to answer that question.
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But for my two.
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Cents, this is one gorgeous and hazy lo-fi slasher made
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by someone who has such a deep knowledge and passion
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for the genre that that there's no way this wasn't
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going to be a banger.
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But really, Josh, what is Murder, Joan?
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How do I even explain.
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That?
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That's kind of the problem you come in with. When
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I was trying to pitch this film to people before
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I funded it myself, when you go into the plot, like,
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what's it about? What's your film about? You have to
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be like, well, no, it's not really about the plot.
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It's not really about what's happening. It's more like the
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way it's happening.
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Totally.
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Murder Drone is.
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I.
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Can't play this for a while. It's like that film
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you watch at like 4 a.m. in the morning where
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you almost want to fall asleep, but you also can't
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stop watching. It's beautiful, but it clearly has its limitations.
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Sure.
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And there's usually murder. I think it's always a horror film.
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It's not always murder, though. There's like Satan War and
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The Jar don't really have murder in them. but uh
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okay wow yeah yeah i don't even know how to
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fully explain it but it's there's this commonality between these
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films usually from like the late 70s to like mid
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to late 80s you're like oh there's something about these
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films that like transcends it's like almost backyard budget or
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just above that and it becomes just like this retro
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retrospective like art movement and right i don't know if
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i did a good job in explaining that but.
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Uh no no no Well, OK, one thing to put
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out there for people who are like have no idea
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what Murder Drone is, is that it's it's a genre
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that's been applied retroactively.
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Right.
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So it's not like people were making Murder Drone films,
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but you've made a Murder Drone film. And that's that's
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like really interesting, you know, is that. Like you watched
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all these films and you said, wait a second, there's
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a commonality there. And I'm really inspired by this. So,
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I mean, going about making Platypus with that in mind,
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like what were the rules that you set for yourself?
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Like, I need this to happen. I need that to happen.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, I just knew that there couldn't be too much plot.
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I knew everyone kind of needed to almost sleepwalk through
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the films. I knew that there had to be the score.
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The score was very important. It's almost as important as
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what it visually looks like. It just needs to lull
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you into a sense of, God, I don't even know.
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I don't even know how to explain murder show.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, no, it's just, it's sort of like intuitively you
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just watch it and like, I know exactly what I
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need to do. But when you try to explain it.
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It's very enigmatic.
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Maybe that's a word that's going to throw us even
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further down the river and not knowing where we're going.
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With explaining it.
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I'm sorry to start off with this like intense, you know, okay,
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what is Myrna Joan?
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Cause it does seem.
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Also like, like, as you're saying, um, people have been
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kind of collecting it years and years later.
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Right. I think I want to say it was a
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bleeding skull.
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Did they maybe come up with that term? I, there
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was someone made a booklet about it, like, um, over
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10 years ago. And that's where they sort of collected
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these films. Uh, you know, it was like Agra, uh, Bloodstream,
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like all the Murphy films, some of the Murphy films, uh,
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like Satan, War, Twisted Issues. It just sort of, it's
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sort of, they, they put them together and they were like,
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this is called Murder Drone. Yeah. It's usually a slasher
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film and it's usually constant since cheap droning in and
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just sort of uh like taking you on this like
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fantastical journey where not not much is happening and yes
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uh you just can't help but be enthralled with it
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right right again i don't i don't i'm trying to
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like people who don't know what it is like for
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people who like murder drone i'm like yeah you know
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what it is you know you know what you're in
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for totally it's sort of like You know, it's an
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acquired taste.
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I don't know. I don't know how to.
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Well... I really don't know how to do it. But don't, like,
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shy away from that. I mean, for me personally, I
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love when you can't fully explain something about art. You know, because, like,
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at the end of the day, that there is always
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going to be that intangible quality about art. And that's what,
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you know, makes it impossible for AI to create. Like,
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AI wouldn't really be able to create a murder drone film.
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Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?
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It would be missing that integral piece, which is sort
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of like the, um, I think it really is, uh,
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based on the little I have seen, like, um, how,
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as you say, like the sense really creates so much atmosphere.
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And then the film is basically almost like these canvases
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for the atmosphere as opposed to like a story focused film.
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Mm-hmm. Does that make sense?
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There's the jumping off point. That's what we should have
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started with. Yes. So the reason I made this film,
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I mean, I always wanted to make a murder drone film.
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I just didn't know what it was going to be
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about or when I was going to do it. I
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just knew I had to do it early on in
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my career, if you call that.
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Sure.
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But the problem I was having was, there were two things. One,
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I was writing a script for my next film. I
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had come off another film, my first film I had made,
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which I, I had a lot of issues with. Um,
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I finished it and I was just like, this just
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doesn't feel like me. And for a film that I had,
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for a film that I had funded and directed and
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written and it was my characters. Uh, I was like, huh?
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Like I didn't have a lot of control in the
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finished product.
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That's kind of strange. Um, yeah. Was this cuties?
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This was cuties, which the great thing about cuties is
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you never have to, really explain to film people what
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went wrong with it you just tell them you made
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a film called cuties in 2020 and they they immediately
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like oh no like yeah that's that's what happened.
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Um wait because there's another cuties right is that.
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What you're saying that yeah yeah it's not um it's
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not the the french film from netflix but if we
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got a lot of the backlash so.
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Oh oh no Oh, okay. Now I'm doing it. Yeah.
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Oh no.
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You never know what to expect when you, what will
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go wrong. And that's, I never expected that that to happen.
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Who would? Yeah.
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And it's like, not even just like, Oh, a film
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that was controversial. It's like the most controversial film of
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like maybe the past, 10 15 years.
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And this is like yeah yeah i forgot about that
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movie actually that's interesting but yeah anyways.
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Yeah anyways yeah i was like okay well i gotta
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make another film i don't think i can get funding
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based on my first film um so let's try to
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i was just like i was in my head a
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lot with the dialogue and trying to think of uh
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like what it all means or like like trying to
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find the best to be entertaining but not be too
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pushy with like what it might be And at the
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same time, I'm watching a lot of films that are
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coming out that are like, Oh, I like new slasher,
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new horror films. And I'm kind of getting frustrated because
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they're trying to say a lot. And in the end,
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they're not saying much or they're instead of letting a
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film speak for itself. It's kind of like telling you
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what to do. And so I'm just like, I'm just
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over this. It's too much for me. And then the
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realization that, Oh, I can shoot on film. I have
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enough money to shoot on a film. But only if
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it's a murder-strung film because I can get away with
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the rough corners. And I can also just be myself
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and not have to worry about... I can basically strip
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the slasher film down back to basically reverse time. Go
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back 40 years. Let's do a complete reset and just
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get mentally there. And then we can build off that
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versus just too much too much stimuli in my head
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going at me and i'm just don't know what to
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do with it um so i want to do something
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more visual and more oral uh yeah rather than like
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oh what's what's this high concept film like no we're
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gonna take a journey here and you're gonna love it
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and you're not gonna sure why you love it but
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yeah yeah but you're.
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No, I can appreciate what you're saying there because the
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film that came to mind when I was watching it
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was Long Legs. And hear me out, hear me out.
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I was kind of disappointed with Long Legs. And when
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I was watching Platypus, I was going... Oh, no, this
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is what I wanted Long.
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Legs to be.
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I didn't want FBI. I didn't want procedural. I didn't
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want over explaining everything. I wanted it to be, was
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it Micah Monroe, the lead in it? I wanted her
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to be going through this dreamy, psychic kind of odyssey
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of like, who's this killer?
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How am I connected to them? Yada, yada.
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And I feel like your film did that in a
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lot of ways, which, how do you feel about that
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reading on it?
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No.
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Yeah i'll have to sit with that for a sec
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but yeah okay yeah the i i think i've seen
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a lot of people like like go that route or
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you think you're gonna go like sell it as oh
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we're gonna we're gonna do this uh and usually i
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go in and i'm just like oh i'm a little
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disappointed because i thought we were really gonna gonna go
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for it or like or like like platypus isn't a
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period piece at all it's technically like i would say
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it's still technically set in modern day So I'm kind
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of having my cake and eating it too, because like
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the aesthetics are clearly late seventies to like early mid eighties.
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Right.
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Early eighties probably. Um, but it's, it's not about like,
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Oh look, like Cindy Lauper LP or like cassette.
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Sure.
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Right.
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It's not like, uh, like the synth wave neon lights
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and stuff. I'm like, no, it's like really like really
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try and recreate it as, as best as we can. Um,
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just trying something new.
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Uh i'm glad you i'm glad you clarified that because
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there was a character wearing uh i think it was
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like manitoba 1978 yeah i thought that that was maybe
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a sign like okay so are we in like 1978
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79 or something but as you're saying like no that
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just it was a cool vintage shirt kind of thing
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yeah yeah.
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Someone else someone else uh wears like an 85 shirt
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so it's just it's all about just like I just
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wanted to kind of erase the 21st century. Like again,
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with the reset, just be like, let's just try something like,
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like intuitively. And then I'll get, I'll get back onto
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the writing phase later on.
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Right. Right.
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Yeah.
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Like I said, I just had too much, um, frustrations
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with my brain being like, what does this mean? What
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is this? And I just wanted to do something that
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was very fun. That doesn't mean anything. And that's my story. Um, but, uh, yeah,
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I just, I couldn't really go back.
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I just, I don't know.
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I just wanted to do something really cool that I
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knew I could achieve.
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What you're talking about is sort of like making a
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film kind of more with like your impulses.
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You know what I mean?
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Like your creative impulses more than like following a story.
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And I mean, this is, this is such a, a
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wild comparison to make, but, and this is also informed
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by like the score as well, but it did make
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me think of Inferno, the Argeno film.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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Yeah, I mean, is that something that was kind of
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feeding into you at all? Because Inferno really has this
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story that doesn't make sense until you really sit with it,
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but it does seem to follow these impulses, like giving
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someone more of a journey and an experience than a
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story or a plot.
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It wasn't a direct influence, but I do love Inferno,
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so obviously it's somewhere in my body. Uh, I think,
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I mean, it mostly is the, the murder drone films
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and like fully mature or, or, uh, a night to
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dismember was a big one for me too. That one
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doesn't get usually mentioned in the murder drone because I
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think that the score is more like classical, but it's,
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it has that same like weird, like Wishman quality to it.
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Um, Oh, it's a Doris Wishman film. Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's the, it has the, a lot of, um,
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it's a simple, simple word, uh, voiceover, voiceover. And so
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I was like, Oh, I'm just going to completely, take
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all these films and take like a little bit like
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Day of the Reaper. That's why a lot of the
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shots are out of focus. I rewatched Day of the
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Reaper and I was like, I don't remember this shot
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being out of focus. And then the more I watched,
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I was like, oh, this is actually aiding in its
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dreamy quality. Right, right.
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You're talking about the voiceover and voiceover is like really
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tough to do. I think obviously this film pulled it
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off really well and you kind of nailed it by saying...
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It was the, you leaned into like a dreamy direction
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with it. And that just makes me think of like,
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to me, one of, in my opinion, one of the
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most underrated horror sequels that uses voiceover so well, Phantasm II.
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Oh yeah. I forgot about all the voiceover.
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Yeah.
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Like you kind of forget about it because it's, there's
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so much crazy stuff that happens in the film, but
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the voiceover in that is all like that one girl
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who's like writing diary entries and And it kind of
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gives it this, like, um, I'm going to feel so
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pretentious saying this, but like interiority, you know.
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Honestly, I think one of the biggest influences of me
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was a scream for help. If you've seen scream for help,
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scream for help, which one with, uh, uh, Christie and she's,
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she's writing about her father or her stepfather is like
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abusing her mom or wants her mom's money. And so
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she's trying to, uh, it's not really a work boom, uh,
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but the whole, the whole time she's like, just the
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way she speaks is very like Americanized. Like, like I
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think my stepdad was trying to kill my mom or
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something like that. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I know which one you're talking about now because it's
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the same director who did a death wish.
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I think I want to say it's Michael winner. Is
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that his name?
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I forget. That might sound familiar, but it's like, I
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sort of, I sort of wanted to do that kind
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of thing. But then when the actress turned out to
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be British, when we were in post-production, I was like, wait,
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actually I can't think of this without thinking of her
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actual voice.
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Okay.
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Kayla, do you want to like voice yourself as well?
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And like, she's like, do you want me to like
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hold back, like be more Canadian? I'm like, no, no, go, go,
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go as British as you want to do. And it's like,
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it just worked.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's interesting you say that.
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Cause like I was watching it while my wife was
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in the kitchen, like cleaning and like, She kind of
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kept coming over to watch bits because she was just
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so drawn by like the visuals and the score. And
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at one point she said to the end, like, I
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really like that woman's accent. And I'm like, yeah, it
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does add a nice texture to it.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, so good on you for for keeping that in there.
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But yeah, I think I think also the voiceover at
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times can seem like intentionally funny. And that was maybe
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one thing I was curious about with the film was like,
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like how much of it was intentionally funny or not,
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because I could see some people laughing at this more.
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Than maybe you want them to.
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But then there are moments that do feel kind of
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like they're supposed to be parodying something.
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That's the thing is, I don't want anyone to go
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into this being like, oh, it's a comedy.
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Sure.
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But, like, every time you laugh, almost every time, I
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think pretty much every time I've watched this with, like,
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the scorist or, like, other people, my distributors, and they laugh,
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I'm like, that's intentional. So it's hard to say that, oh, like, don't, like,
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it's not a comedy, but, like, you're supposed to laugh
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at the parts that are funny.
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Yeah.
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I wanted it to be very much, like, it's weird
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you're creating a film that is in on it but
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you can't let the film feel like it's in on
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that and i know there's i know there's gonna be
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a lot of people who watch it and be like
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oh yeah like it's a bad movie oh it's so
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bad they messed up like it's just like no like
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it legitimately like i tried so hard to get this
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and like trying so much to get it so authentically
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and when i finished like finished the film and i
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watched it for myself i was like oh my god
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is this is what it feels like to actually love
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something that you make.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's so cool.
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I think I said, uh, at the end of watching it,
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I was like, if everyone in the world hated this film,
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I would still love it. And that's, that's a sign
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of that. It's like, I, I, I achieved, I achieved
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exactly what I set out to do, which that's amazing. Amazing.
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Yeah.
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It's such a way for cuties. Like it's no offense cuties.
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Like it was a fun time making you, but like,
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I just wanted to kind of restart. And sometimes people
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are like, what's your next film? Like, Oh, for my
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second film. And they're like, but it'll be your third film.
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I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot that.
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Oh yeah.
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That's okay.
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It just, it's a, it's a sign that you've got
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a lot of gas in the tank. Like you, you're
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going to do a lot more films, you know, which
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I hope is the case. Um, but yeah, no, it
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back to the comedy thing. I mean, there, there may
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be my favorite part, like the funniest. And this, if
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you told me this was intentionally funny, I'd be like,
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what the fuck? But when I think the character's name
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is Danny is like eating the sandwich and And she's.
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Like, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. And then she puts her
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sandwich down.
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And I was like, what the fuck? She's going to
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eat the cookie before she finished her sandwich? And the
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voiceover is, Danny likes her cookies or something.
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Danny loves her cookies.
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Oh, loves her cookies. Yeah, Danny loves her cookies.
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Um yeah that's intentional in fact uh sure that was
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in the original uh uh i don't even want to
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call it a script it's like a treatment but like
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the dialogue is in there and when we're shooting on
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the beach on the day uh, the actress, like when
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we were getting ready for the shots, um, she was
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just like, has a cookie. She's like, Danny loves her cookies. And,
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and also like, uh, so the same thing with that, um,
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is like when she's eating the sandwich, that's just the, this,
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the ADR is, um, a carrot. So it's like crunching
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into like a carrot sandwich. And we did the exact
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same crunch for the cookies as well. So it's like, yeah,
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maybe a different sound. It's just still the carrots crunching.
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So yeah, that worked out really well. That was a
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great day of shooting.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's so exaggerated. Like she's biting into it, but
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also like moving her head. Like it's it's clearly like
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she's performing.
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Do you know what I mean?
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And so I think that's that's where people will feel like, OK,
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this is supposed to be funny, you know. But back
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to what you're saying about the authenticity, like it kind
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of it did hit me when I was about maybe
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halfway into the film where I realized that all other
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times I've seen a film try to do something like
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this with this self.
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What's that?
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Like, parodic? Parodic, but.
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Well, not so much parodic, but, like, self-aware. A lot
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of times, you.
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Like, you can feel a lot more of the parody
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come out. You can feel the comedy come out of it.
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And as you were saying, like, it does feel like
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it's trying to be, like, a so-bad-it's-good-in-finger-quotes kind of film, which.
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Is just so obnoxious, you know?
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And this is not at all what that is, which
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is really refreshing.
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But that's, that's one of the things is I feel
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like when you're doing something like this, go into it
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with love for what, what you're taking from. Like you
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shouldn't have this.
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Oh yeah.
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I love these bad movies. I watch all these bad
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movies all the time. You're like, no, like you love
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these films. I assume you love these films.
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Yeah.
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Let it show. And like, don't like if we're, if
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we're playing on something that's like, oh, it's, it's a,
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it was a mistake when they did it or, or
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it was a, it was a little like that corny
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in the way, like, don't, don't go about it.
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Like, Oh, ha ha.
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Like, like, like, like stopping the scene to show how
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like better you are than it. No, like really like
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embrace it and like take it as like your friend,
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you know, it's like, Oh, come here. Like a dialogue.
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That's the EQ is too low or something like that. Like,
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you know, like, I think a lot of people go
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into it and sometimes you, especially like with studio films,
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you're second guessing, like, do you love, do you like
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these films or are you trying to like ride a wave? Like,
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like really, really like, yeah, like I said, just, just
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embrace what you love about it. And I think it
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will shine through. Whereas like people pick up on that,
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even if people aren't sure or they have the vocabulary
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to talk about it, they can, they can feel like
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something about that just felt not, not, yeah, not genuine.
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yeah right it was very it was very much trying
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to get platypus to a point of yes the funny
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parts are intentional um yes the acting is uh silly
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and exaggerated or subdued but i don't want the film
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itself to treat itself like yeah like it's just uh
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improv night in high school you know Yeah.
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Well, I think it also, it wouldn't have made the more,
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like for lack of a better word, like artistic moments more,
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you know, because the film very much does feel like
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00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.220
this very like sensual.
488
00:23:43.819 --> 00:23:45.200
Art house experience.
489
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.480
And those moments wouldn't have really worked if you didn't
490
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.769
have the authenticity that, you know, also made the comedy
491
00:23:52.809 --> 00:23:55.390
work too. You know, like you can't, I don't know
492
00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:58.390
if it's possible to make a film that's like parodic,
493
00:23:58.690 --> 00:24:04.589
you know, but also authentic and sensual and like artistic.
494
00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:05.309
Do you know what I mean?
495
00:24:05.349 --> 00:24:08.329
Like, I think those things can kind of clash or
496
00:24:08.349 --> 00:24:10.730
maybe not, but yeah, I could, I feel that.
497
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.140
Yeah.
498
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.160
I agree. I, I, I can't, I'm not going to
499
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.039
point to a specific film or films, but there are
500
00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.799
films where you think like, Oh, it's doing so much.
501
00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:21.819
And it just, it just had to show its hand
502
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.480
and be like, Oh, sure.
503
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.160
What I'm doing.
504
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:28.690
It's like, no, like, forget that. Like, just, just be yourself. Yeah.
505
00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:31.690
Especially like at the beginning I had, there were a
506
00:24:31.710 --> 00:24:35.089
couple of times in the film where, I almost did that,
507
00:24:35.309 --> 00:24:37.829
but I, I took it out. One was, uh, there
508
00:24:37.849 --> 00:24:41.269
was this book lying in the antique store and it's, uh,
509
00:24:41.589 --> 00:24:45.019
Agatha Christie's, uh, murder is easy. Um, and I took
510
00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:47.380
it out cause I was like, Oh, that's maybe that's
511
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.240
too much on the nose. Like maybe we shouldn't do that.
512
00:24:50.259 --> 00:24:53.720
And there was another one where, uh, the original chainsaw scene,
513
00:24:53.740 --> 00:24:57.730
there's a chainsaw kill everybody. Um, but, uh, the original
514
00:24:57.769 --> 00:25:03.130
chainsaw scene is, um, the there's someone's pulling like, like it's,
515
00:25:03.190 --> 00:25:05.569
it's all dreamy. So it's now it's like more out
516
00:25:05.609 --> 00:25:09.450
of focus. But the characters holding like save our trees
517
00:25:09.490 --> 00:25:13.079
or something. And yeah, let's do a tree. But the
518
00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:15.799
original tree was supposed to be dead. So tying themselves
519
00:25:15.819 --> 00:25:17.940
to a dead tree. So like the trees already gone.
520
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:19.339
Okay.
521
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:21.279
Maybe that's me in my head too much, but I
522
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:23.130
was like, Oh, maybe that's too much. Like I just
523
00:25:23.170 --> 00:25:27.130
want it to take away as much. people reading into
524
00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:30.210
things as I could and just like, let it play out.
525
00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:32.410
Because if, if people read too much into it, then
526
00:25:32.529 --> 00:25:36.069
it almost becomes like too, too sensical.
527
00:25:37.299 --> 00:25:38.990
Like it makes too much sense.
528
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:42.240
Yeah. Like it's, it's too, it's, it's coming down to
529
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.559
reality too much. It's, it's like a film can be
530
00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:49.380
talking to you without saying anything. And I didn't want
531
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.250
to plan for us to ever really do that. I
532
00:25:52.289 --> 00:25:54.650
wanted to feel like you were getting there on your
533
00:25:54.769 --> 00:25:57.269
own instead of the film being like, look, like a
534
00:25:57.329 --> 00:25:57.930
dead tree.
535
00:25:58.730 --> 00:25:59.230
Yeah.
536
00:25:59.349 --> 00:26:03.289
It's like, no, no, no. Like, just completely, like, even
537
00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:06.299
if I'm in my head too much and I'm overthinking it,
538
00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:08.140
I'm like, no, just cut it out. Just like, just
539
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.279
stay the line and we'll.
540
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:10.960
Get there eventually.
541
00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:14.220
That is interesting that you mentioned that because like, you know,
542
00:26:14.549 --> 00:26:18.349
at the time of this recording, it hasn't played Fantastic Fest.
543
00:26:18.630 --> 00:26:21.170
But when people see this episode or hear it, it
544
00:26:21.210 --> 00:26:26.150
will be after the Fantastic Fest premiere. And I'm curious
545
00:26:26.190 --> 00:26:30.180
then what people's interpretations will be of it. Because like,
546
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:33.059
as you say, you wanted to make something that was
547
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.920
more feel than like plot, you know, like more experiential.
548
00:26:39.819 --> 00:26:43.549
um but there is there are these like stray bits
549
00:26:43.710 --> 00:26:47.650
of story that you can assemble to create a plot
550
00:26:47.690 --> 00:26:50.490
and i'm just curious like what people might pull out
551
00:26:50.529 --> 00:26:55.359
of that that you weren't necessarily like intending or prepared
552
00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:57.519
to hear you know what i mean like is that
553
00:26:57.539 --> 00:26:59.740
something that you've talked with your crew.
554
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.019
At all about or or even.
555
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.789
Liz i've been told and i've i've agreed with them
556
00:27:04.829 --> 00:27:07.630
where it's like Once the film's out there, you can't
557
00:27:07.670 --> 00:27:10.009
do anything. You just have to let it go and
558
00:27:10.049 --> 00:27:12.450
be like, people make of it, they'll make of it. Um,
559
00:27:13.089 --> 00:27:15.369
so I've already made peace with that. It's like, it's
560
00:27:15.390 --> 00:27:17.150
going to happen. Like there are people who are going
561
00:27:17.170 --> 00:27:20.019
to be like, Oh, it's just like a nightmare on
562
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.559
Elm street. Cause there's dreams. I'm like, no, don't, no,
563
00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:24.480
please don't do that.
564
00:27:24.980 --> 00:27:25.319
Yeah.
565
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.559
Yeah. Um, but yeah, I guess, I guess the funny
566
00:27:28.579 --> 00:27:31.700
thing is the thing that keeps it kind of somewhat
567
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.599
of a story is the fact that there's like a
568
00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:35.400
kill very frequently.
569
00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:37.009
Sure. Yeah.
570
00:27:37.329 --> 00:27:40.470
In a funny way, the kills itself, the, the kills
571
00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:43.730
that almost have nothing to do with each other are all,
572
00:27:43.819 --> 00:27:46.380
are kind of keeping you along for this, the story
573
00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:47.660
that's happening.
574
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:48.079
Right.
575
00:27:48.140 --> 00:27:48.539
Right.
576
00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:51.960
Well, I, when I was watching it, I was like, uh, okay,
577
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.880
is it supposed to be like, he's taking out these
578
00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:57.619
people for a certain reason? But then I think by
579
00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.779
the third person, I was like, no, there's really no
580
00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:03.609
reasoning behind who he's killing, he's just killing people, you know?
581
00:28:03.630 --> 00:28:06.190
Well, the funny thing is if you, if you're with Kimberly,
582
00:28:06.210 --> 00:28:09.640
the main character, she's like, she's trying to reason with it. Like, Oh,
583
00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:11.519
I know what the platypus is doing and I know
584
00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:13.220
what he's up to. And then when you're with the
585
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.519
platypus and the victims, like, no, he's just, he's just
586
00:28:16.589 --> 00:28:19.299
killing and the victims are just walking right into it.
587
00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:20.250
Yeah.
588
00:28:20.349 --> 00:28:20.710
Yeah.
589
00:28:21.569 --> 00:28:24.289
For you, that's not supposed to mean anything at all. Just,
590
00:28:24.630 --> 00:28:28.460
you just wanted to create I mean, even when I
591
00:28:28.529 --> 00:28:30.930
say that out loud, I feel like I'm being condescending
592
00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:31.430
to you.
593
00:28:31.509 --> 00:28:32.930
Do you know what I mean? That's okay.
594
00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:33.390
I get it.
595
00:28:34.150 --> 00:28:36.289
Yeah.
596
00:28:36.369 --> 00:28:39.049
That's kind of the tough part because you're trying to
597
00:28:39.089 --> 00:28:41.809
achieve something and you achieve it, but you're also like,
598
00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:47.109
in anything else I would make, maybe I have another
599
00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:48.450
murder drone in me. Probably not.
600
00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:48.880
I don't know.
601
00:28:49.450 --> 00:28:53.299
But in anything else I would make, there would be
602
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.470
at least some kind of like... meaning behind it or
603
00:28:57.490 --> 00:29:02.329
like behind the characters motivations. Um, possibly, I don't know.
604
00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:05.809
Now I'm kind of, I'm assuming cuties was a lot
605
00:29:05.890 --> 00:29:10.079
more like that, like a lot more plot driven, you know,
606
00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:13.619
and as you're saying, like after you completed it, you
607
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.019
felt like it didn't have your DNA and it was
608
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.160
missing like you, you know, it.
609
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:22.779
It didn't move like, um, like I, I felt it should.
610
00:29:22.940 --> 00:29:26.150
I was, I was handed a score. without talking to
611
00:29:26.170 --> 00:29:29.440
the scorist. Oh, that's right. And I was like, what
612
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.460
is like, the tone is all off. Like the tone
613
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.960
was also, it was always very delicate in production. But
614
00:29:35.049 --> 00:29:36.230
once I got to post, they were.
615
00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:37.069
Like, here's your music.
616
00:29:37.170 --> 00:29:39.589
Also, the ADR isn't isn't up to snuff. And I
617
00:29:39.630 --> 00:29:41.380
was just, I just was handed stuff. Then I'm like,
618
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.000
what am I going to do with this? Like I, this,
619
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.019
this doesn't even look like how I envisioned it. So
620
00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:51.079
with this one, I trust my scores, Aoife and Jay both.
621
00:29:51.740 --> 00:29:54.160
It's fantastic. I was like, I'm going to be there
622
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:58.160
for every single music session. because I have to make
623
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.019
sure this is perfect. And we never left a piece
624
00:30:01.059 --> 00:30:02.900
of music because of music throughout, like from the beginning
625
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.940
to end, there's, there's like a very few quiet moments.
626
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.160
I think it was like maybe five or so. And
627
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:12.190
it's like a few seconds each. But we, we did
628
00:30:12.230 --> 00:30:14.529
not leave a piece of music until we were like, perfect.
629
00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:17.470
That's what we wanted. Like there was one where it
630
00:30:17.490 --> 00:30:18.750
was like, we got to go back to that one.
631
00:30:19.210 --> 00:30:20.549
Like it might take a couple of weeks, but we
632
00:30:20.569 --> 00:30:23.069
eventually go back there. And until I had that feeling
633
00:30:23.089 --> 00:30:25.750
that was like, okay, you're on point. You got this.
634
00:30:25.769 --> 00:30:29.009
This is exactly what you want. We never left it alone.
635
00:30:29.029 --> 00:30:32.369
We just made sure that we aced it.
636
00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:37.349
It sounds like that. It's a phenomenal score. It's got
637
00:30:37.369 --> 00:30:40.150
to come out as an album or something. Put it
638
00:30:40.609 --> 00:30:41.529
on a cassette.
639
00:30:41.869 --> 00:30:43.910
Yeah. It was almost all 70s synths and knobs and stuff.
640
00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:54.309
We had a vocoder at one point. Um, like obviously
641
00:30:54.329 --> 00:30:57.470
we like reported it to digital, but like it was
642
00:30:57.490 --> 00:31:02.920
still through tape. It was still, um, like using like
643
00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:05.700
all the old methods and that's why it sounds like it's,
644
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.529
it does sound like accurate to the time period that
645
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.440
the aesthetic is.
646
00:31:09.549 --> 00:31:10.109
Yeah.
647
00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:10.470
Yeah.
648
00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:11.950
Um, I mean, okay.
649
00:31:12.769 --> 00:31:16.529
It's definitely authentic in the way it sounds. And what
650
00:31:16.549 --> 00:31:18.470
I'm going to say is a total compliment and kind
651
00:31:18.509 --> 00:31:22.250
of like how the whole film works is that it's authentic,
652
00:31:22.309 --> 00:31:26.049
but it possesses the self-awareness that you're talking about to
653
00:31:26.150 --> 00:31:29.759
really make the most of every element.
654
00:31:30.230 --> 00:31:31.460
So I feel like.
655
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:34.599
At times there'd be sounds introduced that felt like, oh,
656
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:37.210
that's straight up a 70s or 80s horror film. but
657
00:31:37.250 --> 00:31:40.390
it's introduced in such a way that is adds more
658
00:31:40.690 --> 00:31:43.390
angst or more emotion.
659
00:31:42.950 --> 00:31:46.170
Than you'd expect from a murder drone film. Does that
660
00:31:46.190 --> 00:31:46.509
make sense?
661
00:31:46.549 --> 00:31:46.730
Yeah.
662
00:31:46.970 --> 00:31:48.150
Yeah. I see that. Yeah.
663
00:31:48.390 --> 00:31:50.309
Um, well, that's the thing is I think when people
664
00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:53.430
go back and they're trying to like, I guess they
665
00:31:53.450 --> 00:31:55.869
recreate or homage, or I don't really like that term
666
00:31:55.890 --> 00:31:56.690
homage and love.
667
00:31:56.710 --> 00:31:56.930
Sure.
668
00:31:57.210 --> 00:32:00.170
You know, it's just, but like, um, when they try
669
00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:03.430
to do that, sometimes they forget that like, even, even
670
00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:06.369
like classic slasher, like golden era slashers, when they were like,
671
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:11.720
like basic structure. They always, they almost always tried something new.
672
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.519
Like you think of something like, like the forest, like
673
00:32:14.619 --> 00:32:16.809
that's not a great film, but like, you know, you
674
00:32:16.849 --> 00:32:19.789
have the ghost children and you're like, Oh, that's fresh.
675
00:32:19.849 --> 00:32:21.589
Or like even happy birthday to me, which is like
676
00:32:21.609 --> 00:32:25.089
a classic staple. You have that, like the traumatic, like I,
677
00:32:25.190 --> 00:32:27.849
I'll never be bought off again. And like, it just,
678
00:32:27.930 --> 00:32:31.630
it just, there's always something that's being pushed forward. So
679
00:32:31.670 --> 00:32:34.910
I think there's a misconception when people go back, They're like, oh,
680
00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:37.390
let's just have like these cardboard characters and they're getting
681
00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:41.869
killed off. And like the, they forget, like this refers
682
00:32:41.890 --> 00:32:44.309
to the sound as well, where it's like, yes, we're
683
00:32:44.329 --> 00:32:45.849
going to do this, but we still have to like
684
00:32:46.130 --> 00:32:50.289
push the envelope a little bit. You don't have to
685
00:32:50.309 --> 00:32:53.250
break the illusion by going forward. You just have to
686
00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:55.640
like play within it.
687
00:32:56.410 --> 00:32:56.799
Yeah.
688
00:32:57.130 --> 00:33:00.640
Like add a new element, something that will surprise the
689
00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:02.240
audience in a way.
690
00:33:02.829 --> 00:33:04.230
Yeah, because if.
691
00:33:03.890 --> 00:33:06.079
You're just recycling over and over again, you're just going
692
00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:07.019
to bore people to death.
693
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:08.779
Right, right. That's true.
694
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:09.339
That's true.
695
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.000
You know, you are making me think of something.
696
00:33:12.339 --> 00:33:14.180
I mentioned this before we started recording that I want
697
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.819
to talk to you about. It was like how I
698
00:33:15.859 --> 00:33:22.980
basically first met you through Letterboxd with your extensive slasher research,
699
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.720
I guess I could call it. I mean, at this point.
700
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:26.109
It was research.
701
00:33:26.150 --> 00:33:26.930
Yeah.
702
00:33:27.029 --> 00:33:27.410
Yeah.
703
00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:30.549
I could finally get to tell like my, my parents
704
00:33:30.630 --> 00:33:34.799
be like, see, like this wasn't for nothing. Like years
705
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.680
in the basement on the computer, just watching these slash
706
00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:38.680
movies over and over again.
707
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:39.750
Right.
708
00:33:39.849 --> 00:33:42.690
And again, I'm like, yeah, I know it's important. Yeah.
709
00:33:42.910 --> 00:33:43.150
Yeah.
710
00:33:43.769 --> 00:33:46.829
You're, you're also one of those people too, that, um,
711
00:33:47.670 --> 00:33:51.630
like I, I'll see you give something three stars and then,
712
00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:54.400
you know, maybe even say it's like a mid film,
713
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.160
but then I'll also see you like end up buying
714
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.519
that film and you also champion that film.
715
00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:01.160
You know, it's almost like, like.
716
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.799
Um, my buddy Belial Carbone on Letterboxd, who I'm sure,
717
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.009
you know, as well, he's kind of like that too. Like,
718
00:34:07.630 --> 00:34:10.670
That's always something I've struggled with is like, if I'm
719
00:34:10.690 --> 00:34:13.989
not given something four stars, I'm not going to be like.
720
00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:16.050
This is the greatest movie ever. You know what I mean?
721
00:34:16.269 --> 00:34:19.050
Well, I bought, and I don't like the film at all,
722
00:34:19.230 --> 00:34:21.670
I bought the 4K of Terror at Tenkiller.
723
00:34:22.530 --> 00:34:22.909
Okay.
724
00:34:23.190 --> 00:34:25.880
I was like, why are there so many copies of
725
00:34:25.909 --> 00:34:28.860
the slip? Why Terror at Tenkiller? Why this film?
726
00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:30.059
It's weird.
727
00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:33.340
But I still got it because, at least with slasher
728
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.409
films and from that era, I, I go back to
729
00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:39.010
them because the thing is, I think a lot of
730
00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:41.630
people watch like films, maybe they don't care for, and
731
00:34:41.650 --> 00:34:45.489
they go, Hmm. Like I didn't get anything from it. Um,
732
00:34:45.630 --> 00:34:47.889
but like, I think you can get any, anything you watch,
733
00:34:47.929 --> 00:34:51.050
whether it's great in your opinion or bad, um, you
734
00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:52.849
can gain something like you can be like, Oh, this
735
00:34:52.869 --> 00:34:54.349
is how not to do it. Or I did like
736
00:34:54.429 --> 00:34:58.519
this section. Uh, so especially at least with slasher films, I,
737
00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:01.000
as I will watch some that I've given like three
738
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.340
to 10 just to be like, okay, am I, am
739
00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:06.489
I missing something here? Or is there something they did
740
00:35:06.530 --> 00:35:08.190
that I'm like, Oh, we've got to stay away from that.
741
00:35:08.869 --> 00:35:10.789
Um, yeah. Oh, okay.
742
00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:13.110
Or it's like films like, like even like other murder
743
00:35:13.130 --> 00:35:15.989
drone films, like, uh, like Satan war, Satan war is
744
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:20.159
not a particularly great film. I would give it maybe
745
00:35:20.179 --> 00:35:22.940
a five out of 10, but in the same breath,
746
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.519
I can say, I love Satan war. And some, some
747
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:26.960
nights I'm just like, I'm going to put on Satan war.
748
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.650
I love Satan war. Even though at the end, I'm
749
00:35:28.670 --> 00:35:31.650
still like, it was not a masterpiece.
750
00:35:31.730 --> 00:35:32.309
Yeah. Yeah.
751
00:35:34.219 --> 00:35:34.420
Yeah.
752
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.880
And then there's some, there's some films like, especially like
753
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:39.300
with newer films I'll watch and I'll be like, yeah,
754
00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:41.139
seven out of 10, that was pretty good, but I'll
755
00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:42.699
never want to go back to it. There's some of
756
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.409
them I just like, you know, it came in, it
757
00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:46.670
came out, had a good time, but I'm done. And
758
00:35:46.690 --> 00:35:49.090
then other films will be like a four to 10,
759
00:35:49.090 --> 00:35:52.309
this random little exploitation film from like 73. And I'll
760
00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:55.250
be like, yeah, something about it is just drawing me near.
761
00:35:55.469 --> 00:35:59.179
And I think like having this sort of, Oh, was
762
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:02.239
it a two star or a four star film? Kind
763
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.460
of misses the point. Sometimes a film just sticks with
764
00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:06.760
you and I want to revisit it.
765
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.889
No, I can totally appreciate that. The one film that
766
00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:13.710
I would say kind of makes me think about that
767
00:36:13.769 --> 00:36:17.340
sort of system that I love is Blood Lake. But
768
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.039
I don't know if that's a murder drone.
769
00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:23.019
I would not because there's too much. I'm crazy to
770
00:36:23.059 --> 00:36:26.159
say there's too much plot in Blood Lake.
771
00:36:26.179 --> 00:36:30.000
It's too much dialogue. Too much dialogue. Too many quarters.
772
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:33.960
Yeah. I love Blood Lake. Blood Lake was one where
773
00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:35.420
the first time I watched it, I was like, that
774
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.780
was garbage. And then every other time since then, I've
775
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.699
been like, this is, I showed my old roommate it.
776
00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:44.570
And he was like, especially with the ending with the
777
00:36:44.610 --> 00:36:47.659
lake all dried up. He was just like, I'm going
778
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.260
to tell everyone Blood Lake is my favorite film. Because, like,
779
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.460
we were just having... We were drinking beers and having
780
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.300
the best time. He's just like, where did you find this?
781
00:36:55.420 --> 00:36:57.750
I just give him the backstory of how it was, like,
782
00:36:57.809 --> 00:37:00.090
a home movie turned into an actual movie.
783
00:37:00.590 --> 00:37:01.050
Yeah.
784
00:37:01.269 --> 00:37:04.010
He was like, that's so amazing.
785
00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:04.329
Yeah.
786
00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:10.019
Well, it's... It feels very authentic. Like, it feels like... No,
787
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.380
you couldn't recreate that.
788
00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.530
You couldn't, like... They feel like real friends.
789
00:37:14.730 --> 00:37:17.929
It feels like they got together with a camcorder or
790
00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:21.230
whatever that camera was. And they were just hanging out
791
00:37:21.369 --> 00:37:25.340
and just occasionally making a movie. Like it's just so authentic.
792
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.340
And I don't know, that kind of thing to me
793
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.960
is like, there's like a magic to it, you know?
794
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.980
Like even some of Mike Diana's stuff is kind of
795
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:33.900
like that, that I've seen.
796
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:35.900
Yeah. Yeah.
797
00:37:36.019 --> 00:37:39.570
It's like a quasi documentary feel to it. it's why
798
00:37:39.590 --> 00:37:42.050
it's why i like films like uh it's this is
799
00:37:42.090 --> 00:37:44.210
very different but like like the original friday 13th is
800
00:37:44.230 --> 00:37:47.050
my favorite one of the series okay people are always
801
00:37:47.090 --> 00:37:49.739
like you don't really believe that like you're lying you're
802
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.639
just saying that like no i love the first one
803
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.500
oh it's phenomenal yeah and it's one of my favorite
804
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.019
parts of it and i've seen some people say like
805
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.639
oh this is why i don't like it because it
806
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.380
has this like almost neo-realist quality to the way it's
807
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.369
shot like it's almost shot like It's not shot studio-like
808
00:38:06.469 --> 00:38:08.570
fully like the other ones. And I'm like, well, that's
809
00:38:08.630 --> 00:38:10.289
why I like it. Because it's like when you get
810
00:38:10.309 --> 00:38:13.969
the characters, yeah, they're not fleshed out in terms of
811
00:38:14.150 --> 00:38:17.239
how you write a character. But they're just real. They're
812
00:38:17.260 --> 00:38:20.800
just real people, you know? Like Jack isn't a jock.
813
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.260
He just happens to have some of those qualities. I
814
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.119
don't know. It just seems like you put a little
815
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.219
bit of realness in it. Maybe if you make a
816
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:35.530
film just... put something that was not in the script,
817
00:38:35.769 --> 00:38:37.610
something that was like, just put a little spark of
818
00:38:37.710 --> 00:38:41.130
something of an actor just doing what they want to
819
00:38:41.170 --> 00:38:43.690
do or just something that was off the cuff. And
820
00:38:43.710 --> 00:38:46.469
it just, it just, it accents the rest of it.
821
00:38:46.590 --> 00:38:48.599
You feel like, oh, there's something like I can connect
822
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.440
with that's just beyond artifice.
823
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.159
Well, what you're kind of talking about, you know, I
824
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:56.000
feel like this ties into what we were talking about
825
00:38:56.019 --> 00:38:58.780
earlier is like, is, you know, when you add a
826
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.260
moment like that, I'm assuming it's based off of like,
827
00:39:01.909 --> 00:39:05.139
your artistic impulses more than like the plot.
828
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:06.300
Do you know what I mean?
829
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.440
And maybe that's, maybe that's kind of like how you
830
00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:14.679
get authenticity in a film. Like, like an authentic feeling
831
00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:19.119
comes from a director being able to fully, um, dive
832
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.110
into those artistic impulses as opposed to always like rigidly
833
00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:25.710
following like a script or framework or.
834
00:39:25.690 --> 00:39:26.369
Whatever, you know?
835
00:39:27.449 --> 00:39:27.670
Yeah.
836
00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:29.829
I mean, like films are always gonna, there's always going
837
00:39:29.849 --> 00:39:32.230
to be a time where you're like, Oh, something's not
838
00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:34.949
going right. And you have to figure it out. And
839
00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:37.639
I think, um, one of the best ways is yeah.
840
00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:39.900
You like intuitively follow it. But like, if you see
841
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.179
someone doing something interesting, don't just be like, Hey, that's
842
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.260
off script. Go like, Oh wait, can I incorporate this?
843
00:39:45.860 --> 00:39:48.039
Do I want to ask if you want to incorporate
844
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.590
it first and Like don't just automatically do it, but like,
845
00:39:51.449 --> 00:39:54.230
like can it fit in and does it add to
846
00:39:54.250 --> 00:39:58.050
like a more like human, like you were saying AI earlier. That's,
847
00:39:58.289 --> 00:40:01.650
that's one of the big reasons also. Cause this was
848
00:40:01.650 --> 00:40:03.670
2023 when I thought, okay, I can actually move forward
849
00:40:03.710 --> 00:40:07.929
on platypus. And I saw the writing on the wall.
850
00:40:07.989 --> 00:40:09.510
I was like, this AI thing is just going to
851
00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:13.409
get out of control. And we are, and I knew
852
00:40:13.610 --> 00:40:15.320
that's one of the things, that's one of the pitches
853
00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:17.219
I gave another pitches. It's one of the things I
854
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.699
gave for, Fantastic Fest when I was like I know
855
00:40:21.739 --> 00:40:27.000
that AI cannot recreate platypus it can't quite do it
856
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.500
and that's kind of my in because it can try
857
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.400
its best to do the studio stuff and you're like
858
00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:36.340
okay yeah it's following the rising action the beats but
859
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.250
with this one when there are no strict rules except
860
00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:43.329
like the rules I know inside but I can't explain
861
00:40:43.389 --> 00:40:47.730
it that's the stuff that when you see it you
862
00:40:47.769 --> 00:40:51.070
know okay that's the real deal and that's a pie.
863
00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:54.829
Yeah i think that's um that's kind of to me
864
00:40:54.889 --> 00:40:58.019
where the drone aspect of the murder drone comes in
865
00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:00.880
which i mean no i know obviously is is um
866
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.320
is more about the sense but it's a to me
867
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.119
it's like about the rhythm of the film and how
868
00:41:07.579 --> 00:41:10.250
there's a rhythm with like really good editing that you
869
00:41:10.289 --> 00:41:15.059
almost can't really um you can't really like teach it
870
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.239
or you can't really like time it out per se.
871
00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.460
It's just like that perfect length of shots. Like, did
872
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.400
you cut the film first and then you recorded the
873
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.059
music to it or was it vice versa or a
874
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:29.219
bit of both?
875
00:41:29.409 --> 00:41:33.590
I cut it first. Um, and then, and I was like, okay,
876
00:41:33.710 --> 00:41:35.570
now we've got to score it. So that's why a
877
00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:37.510
lot of it is a lot of it, like it
878
00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:39.690
works so well because you're like, yeah, it's, it fits
879
00:41:39.710 --> 00:41:44.050
with the picture. instead of just putting music overlay on it.
880
00:41:44.619 --> 00:41:48.079
At the same time, you have that mentality of, oh,
881
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.280
I need the music to also feel like it's a
882
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:54.659
little disconnected, like it's a little put on there. Also,
883
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.570
like the beach scene you were saying, when Platypus is
884
00:41:58.619 --> 00:42:04.730
POV-ing over to the character, and you can hear the like, do-do-do, do-do-do-do. Yeah,
885
00:42:04.769 --> 00:42:08.730
like a little plinky music. Yeah, you just have to
886
00:42:08.750 --> 00:42:12.039
know where you are and if you still have to,
887
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:13.980
even if it's a murder drone, you still have to
888
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.340
understand what is happening on and translate it with your ears.
889
00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:19.500
Right.
890
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.460
But I also feel like the music is doing, um,
891
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.219
like a lot of, and, uh, I know this is
892
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.079
kind of like disparaging term, but like heavy lifting in
893
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.440
terms of like, um, moving emotional beats, you know? Uh,
894
00:42:33.739 --> 00:42:37.340
cause it's like, what's happening visually, um, can feel almost
895
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.639
ambiguous or bare in a way, even though like you
896
00:42:41.659 --> 00:42:47.280
might see like someone being killed or something. There's certain
897
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.010
scenes where like the music was kind of informing you,
898
00:42:50.329 --> 00:42:52.610
which I guess is what a score does anyways, right?
899
00:42:52.889 --> 00:42:56.170
But it just, it really stood out because of this
900
00:42:56.210 --> 00:42:58.369
type of filmmaking, you know? Yeah.
901
00:42:59.389 --> 00:43:00.630
No, you're right. Yeah, you're correct.
902
00:43:01.590 --> 00:43:01.929
Yeah.
903
00:43:03.650 --> 00:43:08.019
Um, but so what were the references for IFA and
904
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:11.320
J like music wise? And like, did you show them
905
00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:14.840
certain films or, uh, our scores or anything that you
906
00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:16.139
were like, we, I want this.
907
00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:19.329
Well, IFA I've known for a while, so I I've
908
00:43:19.369 --> 00:43:23.250
shown her, um, most of the, the murder drone films
909
00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:26.170
ahead of time, but she also knew, she also knew
910
00:43:26.190 --> 00:43:28.110
the vibe I was going for. So I, I kind
911
00:43:28.130 --> 00:43:30.219
of didn't have to, but like I showed her like polymetria,
912
00:43:31.150 --> 00:43:32.690
Devil's Story, Agra.
913
00:43:32.889 --> 00:43:33.570
Oh, okay.
914
00:43:33.590 --> 00:43:38.719
Yeah, yeah. I'm like a dismember. Jay, Jay I had
915
00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:44.380
met for this project and she, she, she's so knowledgeable
916
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.880
in all of the, like, the old sounds and stuff.
917
00:43:46.900 --> 00:43:48.880
So she listens to the same, like, older music that
918
00:43:48.940 --> 00:43:52.420
I do. So it wasn't, it didn't take long for
919
00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:54.260
me to be like, I think I sent her, I
920
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.610
think I sent her Folie Montreux and I think I
921
00:43:56.630 --> 00:43:58.829
sent her the trailer for St. Noir and I think
922
00:43:58.869 --> 00:44:03.010
I sent her a few other, a few other little tidbits.
923
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.929
And she, she was like, Oh, I know what to do.
924
00:44:05.190 --> 00:44:07.150
And within like five seconds, she'll be like, is this
925
00:44:07.170 --> 00:44:11.769
what you want? Or like during the, um, uh, during
926
00:44:11.849 --> 00:44:16.039
the professor policier, uh, college for paranormal activity.
927
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:16.800
Yeah. Yeah.
928
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.139
I was just like, I want something that's like bubbly
929
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.699
science labby. And she's like, Oh, I got it. And
930
00:44:21.949 --> 00:44:23.840
it's just, and that's pretty much what you have in
931
00:44:23.860 --> 00:44:26.260
the film. Just like this. And I'm like, yeah, you're
932
00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:27.340
so good at this.
933
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:29.840
Yeah. Yeah.
934
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.639
Yeah. Wonderful.
935
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.820
It was like a dynamic trio.
936
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:33.260
It really.
937
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:34.340
Nice.
938
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:35.219
It just came out so well.
939
00:44:35.659 --> 00:44:40.840
Cause you three worked in, in the same room together. Yes. Yeah.
940
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.940
It was every Saturday for like, I want to say
941
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.760
two months. And then we came back a couple of
942
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:48.780
months later, uh, just to touch it up.
943
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:49.780
Okay.
944
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.030
Um, yeah, just for like four, four and a half hours. Uh,
945
00:44:53.150 --> 00:44:55.789
every Saturday we just sit there and just play music.
946
00:44:56.010 --> 00:44:58.409
And there was also like actual like instruments. Like we
947
00:44:58.449 --> 00:45:00.969
have the, like the viola. We actually use the viola.
948
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.619
We use the piano. We use a bass. We need
949
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.360
an electric bass, um, or a acoustic. Um, so we
950
00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:12.219
actually were like playing instruments along with, uh, well, the
951
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:13.699
synthesizer is an instrument. Okay.
952
00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:14.539
Everybody.
953
00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:15.679
Yeah, totally.
954
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:16.500
We know what I mean.
955
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:17.239
Yeah. Yeah.
956
00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:18.480
Yeah.
957
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.480
It was this, it was like a jam session that,
958
00:45:20.989 --> 00:45:23.030
that just always seemed to be on point. I think
959
00:45:23.050 --> 00:45:25.480
there was only one, there was one time where I
960
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.179
think we got like an hour and 20 minutes into,
961
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.400
I think it was, it was the chase, I guess
962
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.550
you could call it of the woman in the antique store.
963
00:45:34.110 --> 00:45:40.469
And I remember being like, it sounds to 2011 vaporwave. Uh,
964
00:45:40.550 --> 00:45:44.280
they scrap it. Let's like regroup. And then let's just,
965
00:45:45.010 --> 00:45:46.820
really try and find something and then we have one
966
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.400
of the best parts of the film so.
967
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.280
Yeah wow good on you yeah.
968
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.820
Yeah like yeah talk back to yourself and be like
969
00:45:54.139 --> 00:45:57.340
okay is this working like just like stay the line
970
00:45:57.500 --> 00:46:01.769
and then um yeah just know when to say okay
971
00:46:01.789 --> 00:46:04.170
this isn't working let's redo it but I didn't usually
972
00:46:04.210 --> 00:46:06.849
have to do that because I think like I'd say
973
00:46:06.869 --> 00:46:10.260
yeah 80% of the time you'd play a little music.
974
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:11.900
And then after five minutes, we're like, I think we
975
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.400
got it. I think we're, I think we're on the
976
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:13.860
right track.
977
00:46:14.260 --> 00:46:19.070
Yeah. Yeah. But it's, it's those like, uh, artistic impulses.
978
00:46:19.789 --> 00:46:20.429
You know what I mean?
979
00:46:21.289 --> 00:46:23.590
Like, I just keep bringing it back to this, but like,
980
00:46:23.650 --> 00:46:27.389
it's artistic impulses that lead to authenticity. And that's the
981
00:46:27.489 --> 00:46:29.869
authenticity you needed for that scene. Yeah.
982
00:46:29.889 --> 00:46:31.269
As if it was 2011, it wouldn't work.
983
00:46:31.289 --> 00:46:33.789
Yeah. I'm scared of like the press being like, Oh,
984
00:46:33.809 --> 00:46:35.909
I have to not mention authenticity too much. Cause I
985
00:46:35.929 --> 00:46:37.789
think then they might be like, Hey, something's up here.
986
00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:39.730
I'm like, no, where is where?
987
00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:40.710
But yeah.
988
00:46:40.829 --> 00:46:41.829
Yeah.
989
00:46:41.869 --> 00:46:44.409
Like it really is like, it's funny. Cause it's such,
990
00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:48.199
it's such a simple film that we went so hard with,
991
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:50.829
with certain aspects of it. yeah, it really was just
992
00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:53.389
be like, how can I be as true? And like
993
00:46:53.909 --> 00:46:55.849
in this world where it's like, yeah, a film will
994
00:46:55.889 --> 00:46:58.650
come out and you'll be like, like, that's the thing
995
00:46:58.670 --> 00:47:01.250
is I see a lot of slashers now that sometimes
996
00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:03.539
I'm like, are these even slasher films? Because they take
997
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.440
such a, this is how you make a good movie now.
998
00:47:06.619 --> 00:47:09.960
And I'm like, what about the exploitation films that like,
999
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.099
that we had? Like there was a reason people went
1000
00:47:12.139 --> 00:47:15.969
to those because there's, they, they follow the certain like
1001
00:47:16.090 --> 00:47:20.360
internal track. and now it's just like oh this is
1002
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.159
a really great film it's like yeah but it feels
1003
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.679
like it's following it's funny to talk about this with
1004
00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:28.559
slasher films but it feels like it's following a structure.
1005
00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:30.829
You know yeah yeah yeah oh.
1006
00:47:30.789 --> 00:47:33.889
No but well in a different way.
1007
00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:38.190
Yeah i i really like to compare music to films
1008
00:47:38.650 --> 00:47:41.289
as much as i can to find like you know
1009
00:47:41.409 --> 00:47:43.710
similarities in a way and it does make me think
1010
00:47:43.750 --> 00:47:46.519
of like I'm not even crazy about this genre, but like,
1011
00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:48.380
I don't know if you're familiar with like black metal
1012
00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:51.059
and how I think a lot of fans of black
1013
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.889
metal would tell you that if it's recorded, like so high,
1014
00:47:54.909 --> 00:47:59.530
high quality that it would be like diluting what.
1015
00:47:59.469 --> 00:48:01.090
Makes it black metal, you know?
1016
00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:03.829
And I think that there's sort of something similar about
1017
00:48:03.869 --> 00:48:07.320
what you're talking about, where like, at what point does
1018
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.940
it stop being a slasher and just ends up being another, um,
1019
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.090
like well-made, um, you know, current film or something, you know? Yeah.
1020
00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:19.010
Like the slasher is almost like, uh, it's becoming, um,
1021
00:48:19.750 --> 00:48:22.630
like garnishing where it's like, Oh, it's like the trailblazing,
1022
00:48:22.650 --> 00:48:26.630
like what's really behind it. This sort of studio stuff.
1023
00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:28.550
And it's weird to see that. Like we should go
1024
00:48:28.570 --> 00:48:34.420
back to like being a little like loosey goosey, I guess. I,
1025
00:48:34.579 --> 00:48:35.059
you know, it's funny.
1026
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.599
I wrote this down actually. Um, cause it did make
1027
00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:39.880
me think of this film, uh, platypus, but in a
1028
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.480
violent nature, like what were your thoughts on that film?
1029
00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:46.349
Oh, I, maybe this is i'm biased because i i
1030
00:48:46.389 --> 00:48:50.250
know one of the actors um but like um but
1031
00:48:50.829 --> 00:48:55.210
i i loved i thought it's funny for a film
1032
00:48:55.309 --> 00:48:58.710
that was so uh oh we're trying something new so
1033
00:48:58.730 --> 00:49:00.590
i might call it a gimmick or whatever but like
1034
00:49:00.750 --> 00:49:02.570
for a film that's trying something like that and i
1035
00:49:02.570 --> 00:49:04.369
think this is what i was talking about where it's
1036
00:49:04.409 --> 00:49:06.329
like push something new but you can still go back
1037
00:49:06.369 --> 00:49:09.070
to it it feels like the probably one of the
1038
00:49:09.110 --> 00:49:12.530
closest to being a classic slasher than almost any of
1039
00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:14.639
the other ones that are saying that they're a classic
1040
00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:17.730
slasher and it's, it's doing something completely different for the
1041
00:49:17.750 --> 00:49:19.730
whole runtime. And I think that's what you have to do.
1042
00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:22.050
You have to. to think about how can I be innovative,
1043
00:49:22.070 --> 00:49:24.269
but still get, get under that.
1044
00:49:25.489 --> 00:49:25.679
Yeah.
1045
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:26.360
Get to the heart.
1046
00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:28.639
Yeah. For sure.
1047
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:30.059
Yeah.
1048
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.960
Who's the actor that you know in it?
1049
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:33.539
Leah.
1050
00:49:34.699 --> 00:49:36.159
Oh, okay.
1051
00:49:36.219 --> 00:49:38.659
The one who drowns in the lake.
1052
00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:41.099
Oh, okay. Huh?
1053
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.059
That name sounds familiar. I know Reese who played the sheriff.
1054
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.670
I think he's the sheriff or something. Or like the,
1055
00:49:47.909 --> 00:49:51.050
he gets killed by the saw. Oh yeah.
1056
00:49:51.130 --> 00:49:51.389
Yeah.
1057
00:49:51.570 --> 00:49:51.909
Yeah.
1058
00:49:52.289 --> 00:49:54.769
That's, that's what it's like being in Canada. Like everyone
1059
00:49:54.829 --> 00:49:55.929
kind of knows each other.
1060
00:49:55.989 --> 00:49:56.590
Yeah.
1061
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:57.690
No, it really is.
1062
00:49:57.699 --> 00:50:00.199
Like any, any project you go to, you're like, Hey,
1063
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.500
it's you. Hey, what are you doing here? You're like
1064
00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:05.000
a thousand miles away from home.
1065
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:05.300
Yeah.
1066
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:06.039
It's weird.
1067
00:50:06.489 --> 00:50:08.510
So yeah, you, you're part of a, like a really
1068
00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:13.690
cool scene out in BC with IFA, Louise Dion, Copeland.
1069
00:50:13.909 --> 00:50:14.050
Yeah.
1070
00:50:14.110 --> 00:50:16.510
And it seems Louise and Dee and I have been
1071
00:50:16.550 --> 00:50:20.389
friends since, uh, we went to UBC together. Oh, cool.
1072
00:50:20.670 --> 00:50:22.869
So like 12 years ago, I think we've known each other, so.
1073
00:50:23.409 --> 00:50:26.369
Yeah. Yeah. And was it through them that you got
1074
00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:29.510
in touch with Liz then like with muscle distribution?
1075
00:50:31.179 --> 00:50:35.000
Uh, yes, I think more so through IFA, but okay.
1076
00:50:36.929 --> 00:50:37.110
Yes.
1077
00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:40.139
Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's interesting.
1078
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.179
Cause like, I don't, I can't recall if she's really
1079
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:44.579
had anything.
1080
00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:46.159
Out through district muscle distribution.
1081
00:50:46.179 --> 00:50:50.159
That's like murder drone adjacent or anything, but like, uh,
1082
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.539
she seems to be curating a lot of really cool,
1083
00:50:52.579 --> 00:50:54.719
like newer films, you know?
1084
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.659
Um, well, Liz, Liz emailed me and was like, Hey, like, like,
1085
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.389
I think I, on Instagram, I posted the teaser that
1086
00:51:03.429 --> 00:51:06.349
I made a platypus and I'm like, uh, A couple
1087
00:51:06.369 --> 00:51:08.070
months down the line, she's like, hey, can I see
1088
00:51:08.139 --> 00:51:10.539
a screener just to see if that's interested to us?
1089
00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:14.190
And then I was like, okay, muscle seems trustworthy, so.
1090
00:51:15.050 --> 00:51:18.469
cool cool yeah so it's premiering uh or it did
1091
00:51:18.550 --> 00:51:23.260
premiere at fantastic fest yes amazing well amazingly well you
1092
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.340
had a standing ovation um three people came up and
1093
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:30.699
said you inspired them to make their own murder drone
1094
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.320
film um do you know what the what the plans
1095
00:51:35.380 --> 00:51:37.039
are after that like is it gonna get like a
1096
00:51:37.099 --> 00:51:39.380
limited theatrical run or are you gonna do like a
1097
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:40.480
blu-ray or.
1098
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:46.070
Both uh blu-ray is definitely in the uh I'm sure
1099
00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:47.880
it's in the works. Uh, okay.
1100
00:51:47.980 --> 00:51:48.239
Yes.
1101
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.900
It's a little, little theatrical run might, might try for
1102
00:51:51.139 --> 00:51:54.179
a few other festivals, but it's, um, like, this is
1103
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.219
my first like successful, like, well, I mean, I can't
1104
00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.280
say it yet, but like, you know, when it seems like, Oh,
1105
00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:04.650
this is going to be like somewhat of a success. So, uh,
1106
00:52:05.409 --> 00:52:07.210
I guess we'll just see what happens. I don't really
1107
00:52:07.230 --> 00:52:10.969
know the ins and outs of how to, how it
1108
00:52:10.989 --> 00:52:13.920
all works out. So I just, sure. hope that it
1109
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.699
reaches the right people and that people say, Hey, I
1110
00:52:16.739 --> 00:52:18.889
like what you did with this on such a low budget.
1111
00:52:19.349 --> 00:52:24.670
Can I give you half a million? You know, like
1112
00:52:25.389 --> 00:52:28.349
for me, it's less about like, I mean, it's about exposure.
1113
00:52:28.369 --> 00:52:28.449
Yeah.
1114
00:52:28.469 --> 00:52:31.480
It's about exposure and also being like proving myself that
1115
00:52:31.539 --> 00:52:35.000
I can make something like a singular thing and I
1116
00:52:35.019 --> 00:52:37.420
can go on to other projects like more than, more
1117
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.619
than making a deal with like whatever to get some money.
1118
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:45.920
It's more about like, establishing myself sure.
1119
00:52:45.860 --> 00:52:48.300
Yeah no no no i totally get that and honestly
1120
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.920
it would be a shock if if people weren't vibing
1121
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.420
with this because it seems to i like there is
1122
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.840
already a built-in audience for this type of cinema i
1123
00:52:56.900 --> 00:52:59.449
think especially if it's a new film i have a
1124
00:52:59.489 --> 00:53:03.829
feeling either muscle or another partner label with with vinegar
1125
00:53:03.849 --> 00:53:06.449
syndrome would put it out or something you know and
1126
00:53:06.469 --> 00:53:08.349
i think those are the types of people that would
1127
00:53:08.369 --> 00:53:11.679
really love this so you know? Um, so do you
1128
00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:14.659
have something kind of in mind for your next project?
1129
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:15.920
Oh yeah.
1130
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:18.380
I mean, uh, straight up, I know the next five
1131
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:23.010
films I want to make. Oh, okay. 30 to 40
1132
00:53:23.010 --> 00:53:25.969
films that I want to make. Will we get, we'll see,
1133
00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:29.170
but like, I know the order I want to do. Um,
1134
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.920
yeah and it's i don't do do i say anything
1135
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:33.500
about it i.
1136
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:37.900
Don't well okay okay let's okay the most because i'm
1137
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.139
sure there's one that's like the one you want to
1138
00:53:40.179 --> 00:53:45.409
make the most or the most plausible next project like
1139
00:53:45.829 --> 00:53:47.349
yeah like gun to your head this is the one
1140
00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:49.449
that you're gonna have to do next what would that
1141
00:53:49.550 --> 00:53:51.710
be what can you tease about.
1142
00:53:51.429 --> 00:53:54.449
It oh yeah there's a film that i uh well
1143
00:53:54.469 --> 00:53:57.679
i wrote the script for it like four years ago
1144
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.320
and i've had it as an idea for like 10
1145
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.239
years like right after cuties wrapped i was like oh
1146
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.719
i'm suddenly getting you know it's all popping in you
1147
00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:07.099
get the middle the middle scene of the film and
1148
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.659
then it's it all just sort of pieces together and
1149
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.030
you're like oh it's like it was given to me
1150
00:54:11.070 --> 00:54:13.429
you know like yeah i'm not making this film someone
1151
00:54:13.469 --> 00:54:15.969
else is making it and like okay sending.
1152
00:54:15.630 --> 00:54:17.750
It that's kind of yeah yeah yeah.
1153
00:54:18.170 --> 00:54:22.289
Uh so yeah how do i how what do i
1154
00:54:22.389 --> 00:54:28.800
say It's a film where when Camp Miasma just came out.
1155
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.739
So when that came out or that was talked about
1156
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:33.980
and I was getting details about like, oh, it's this
1157
00:54:34.019 --> 00:54:38.480
like introspection of the genre. I was like, oh no, wait,
1158
00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:41.199
didn't I write this script? Like I was so scared.
1159
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.300
I saw Miasma and I was like, oh, thank God. Oh,
1160
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:48.139
thank God. It's quite different. It's very different. I was
1161
00:54:48.219 --> 00:54:50.280
kind of like, oh no, like did I get beaten
1162
00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:58.659
to the punch? Like did someone... But yeah, it's, it's
1163
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.760
sort of like with platypus. It's like, if I tell
1164
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:05.869
you the plot, it's, it doesn't do the service as okay. Yeah,
1165
00:55:06.130 --> 00:55:08.429
but that's not good for pitches. So I really got to,
1166
00:55:08.489 --> 00:55:09.210
I got to learn.
1167
00:55:09.329 --> 00:55:11.550
You got to work on those pitches. Yeah.
1168
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:13.559
I really don't have that down pat at all.
1169
00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:13.880
Yeah.
1170
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.699
Well, you could start off by saying it's like Camp Miasma,
1171
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:18.280
but not.
1172
00:55:18.619 --> 00:55:19.639
No, no. Right?
1173
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:20.320
Maybe.
1174
00:55:20.420 --> 00:55:21.519
Yeah.
1175
00:55:21.619 --> 00:55:25.179
Well, it's full disclosure. I actually have tickets to go
1176
00:55:25.219 --> 00:55:28.420
see that in two hours. So, cause I haven't seen
1177
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:29.559
it yet. So I'm excited.
1178
00:55:30.139 --> 00:55:33.039
Uh, yeah. So, and you liked Camp Miasma?
1179
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.960
Uh, I got a lot out of it. I think,
1180
00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:40.679
I mean, I mean, every, every film is five stars.
1181
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.699
Remember every film is five stars. So it's just, you can't, um, yeah, no. Um,
1182
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.929
I think I had some, like, I think aesthetically I loved, uh,
1183
00:55:50.030 --> 00:55:53.130
I saw the TV glow. So as a slasher fan
1184
00:55:53.170 --> 00:55:57.590
going into miasma, I was expecting something that was more
1185
00:55:58.130 --> 00:56:00.739
like aesthetically in line. And I was like, Oh, it's
1186
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.179
very digitally for a film shot on film.
1187
00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:04.139
Um, okay.
1188
00:56:04.469 --> 00:56:07.489
But I think there are moments in Miasma where I
1189
00:56:07.530 --> 00:56:10.400
got to and I was like, oh, that's really, I
1190
00:56:10.389 --> 00:56:14.579
don't want to say profound, but it made sense of
1191
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.400
your relationship and the sickness you have when you're connected
1192
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:21.710
to these types of films.
1193
00:56:22.449 --> 00:56:22.710
Okay.
1194
00:56:24.090 --> 00:56:26.329
Yeah, I think there's a lot of good in that film.
1195
00:56:27.090 --> 00:56:29.250
Okay, so you would say I Saw the TV Glow
1196
00:56:29.289 --> 00:56:29.989
is better, though.
1197
00:56:32.210 --> 00:56:37.190
Yes, I think I Saw the TV Glow has... It's tough.
1198
00:56:37.269 --> 00:56:41.420
It's tough because there's so much... It's like this.
1199
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:42.059
I both.
1200
00:56:42.380 --> 00:56:44.179
Yeah, I love... The first half of I Saw the
1201
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.159
TV Glow, I love so much.
1202
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:47.039
Okay.
1203
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:48.019
Yeah, I really do.
1204
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.139
Oh, okay. I like the whole thing.
1205
00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:50.840
Yes.
1206
00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:52.380
Well, yeah, that's the thing.
1207
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.360
That's the thing. When you go to.
1208
00:56:54.219 --> 00:56:58.610
Festivals or you're networking, you're like... You're like, no, every... Again,
1209
00:56:58.690 --> 00:57:00.489
every film is five stars. Every film is the best
1210
00:57:00.530 --> 00:57:05.820
film ever made. I think it's the whole, I'm so
1211
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:10.449
deep into the whole of slasher cinema, especially from this
1212
00:57:10.550 --> 00:57:15.969
era that Miasma is grabbing from, that anything that I see,
1213
00:57:17.429 --> 00:57:25.940
maybe it's too, hello, fellow kids. I was like, oh no,
1214
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:28.280
I don't know if this is me overthinking it.
1215
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:33.570
No, I don't think you should shy away from that.
1216
00:57:33.630 --> 00:57:37.730
I think your introspection about it, your analysis of it
1217
00:57:38.329 --> 00:57:42.809
is helping you build your own singular voice. I think
1218
00:57:42.889 --> 00:57:46.190
as an artist, you are the ones that should be
1219
00:57:46.849 --> 00:57:50.170
giving the one star if possible or the five star
1220
00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:50.730
if possible.
1221
00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:51.710
Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
1222
00:57:51.929 --> 00:57:54.670
If that's in you, I think it's different when you
1223
00:57:54.809 --> 00:57:57.630
are someone who works in press and or someone who's
1224
00:57:57.710 --> 00:58:00.489
just a fan, you know, it's like, like you're building
1225
00:58:00.510 --> 00:58:02.710
your voice and your voice comes out of having a
1226
00:58:02.750 --> 00:58:07.329
very singular opinion and a strong sense of taste and, uh,
1227
00:58:07.389 --> 00:58:10.570
identity and, and, you know, and understanding your artistic impulses.
1228
00:58:10.590 --> 00:58:13.909
So, yeah, I feel like, yeah.
1229
00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:16.230
You've got a point because I, like, I'm friends with
1230
00:58:16.250 --> 00:58:19.880
a lot of people who they, they do do the whole, like, oh,
1231
00:58:19.909 --> 00:58:22.969
we gotta, we gotta talk everything up and everything's great. Like,
1232
00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:25.900
like even with like my first film, I, and I
1233
00:58:25.940 --> 00:58:28.920
just couldn't do it because I personally was felt it
1234
00:58:28.940 --> 00:58:32.099
was a failure. Um, so people would be like, Oh,
1235
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.480
you got to see cheese. It's the greatest thing ever.
1236
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:36.719
I'm just like, no, I can't like, it just feels wrong.
1237
00:58:37.059 --> 00:58:38.920
And I think if, if especially with a film like
1238
00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:42.019
platypus where I am like, okay, this film is about
1239
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:49.360
being so authentic, that word again, um, uh, that yeah, it's, it's,
1240
00:58:49.500 --> 00:58:51.840
it might have to be my brand going forward just
1241
00:58:51.860 --> 00:58:53.219
to be like, yeah, I'm just going to tell it
1242
00:58:53.260 --> 00:58:56.239
how it is. And, People are going to like it
1243
00:58:56.429 --> 00:58:59.309
or not, but we'll see. For now, everything's fantastic.
1244
00:59:00.070 --> 00:59:03.989
Question about cuties though, because you were saying was that
1245
00:59:04.030 --> 00:59:06.789
like you were handed the score and there was a
1246
00:59:06.809 --> 00:59:09.130
lot of elements that were like out of your control.
1247
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.300
is it possible that cuties if you could get a
1248
00:59:13.340 --> 00:59:17.079
new score and and re-edit it that you could find
1249
00:59:17.139 --> 00:59:19.920
something that's more like what you were wanting out of it.
1250
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.239
Um well cuties is tough because it's it's a film
1251
00:59:26.260 --> 00:59:29.920
that like conceptually. And like, there's a lot I'm saying
1252
00:59:29.940 --> 00:59:33.820
in there that it's hard because half the stuff I'm saying,
1253
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.820
you take its face value. The other half, you kind
1254
00:59:35.860 --> 00:59:37.840
of have to understand it. You're supposed to understand the
1255
00:59:37.929 --> 00:59:40.010
opposite of what it's saying. And I don't think I've
1256
00:59:40.090 --> 00:59:42.769
balanced it quite well. So I think it's a film
1257
00:59:42.789 --> 00:59:45.289
where things are just thrown at you and you're like, Oh,
1258
00:59:45.329 --> 00:59:46.969
what do I make of this? Like you almost have
1259
00:59:46.989 --> 00:59:50.969
to bring your own sensibilities to it. Um, but with cuties,
1260
00:59:51.090 --> 00:59:53.309
I think it's just, I'm just done. Like I shot
1261
00:59:53.349 --> 00:59:57.510
it 10 years ago. Yeah. And it, finished i guess
1262
00:59:57.530 --> 01:00:00.110
you could say six years ago that's when we released
1263
01:00:00.210 --> 01:00:03.030
it and i just at some point it's just sort
1264
01:00:03.070 --> 01:00:06.429
of like this just makes me tired like i haven't
1265
01:00:06.469 --> 01:00:08.949
watched it in like almost four years and i'm just
1266
01:00:08.969 --> 01:00:11.469
like it like i can watch platypus over and over
1267
01:00:11.489 --> 01:00:13.519
again and be like oh wow that where'd the time
1268
01:00:13.539 --> 01:00:17.079
go yeah yeah duties i'm just like oh god like
1269
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.320
oh the yellow room it just it ruined everyone's skin
1270
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.500
tone it's just you know things like that like okay
1271
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.420
yeah i i watch i watch uh a scene and
1272
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.300
I don't see the scene. I see everything that went
1273
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:33.000
on around the scene. I see where we were and
1274
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:38.050
I don't like it. I'm thankful there are people who
1275
01:00:38.530 --> 01:00:40.619
like actually do like the film and connected with it.
1276
01:00:40.969 --> 01:00:43.630
I think I'm just too, there's too many reservations I
1277
01:00:43.670 --> 01:00:45.889
made that even if I can be like, Oh, that's
1278
01:00:45.929 --> 01:00:49.239
a great character or, Oh, this is a great scene actually. And,
1279
01:00:49.409 --> 01:00:52.409
or this dialogue means a lot and I nailed it.
1280
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.699
I can still be like, but it just hurts too much.
1281
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:57.960
I think.
1282
01:00:58.460 --> 01:00:58.800
Hmm.
1283
01:00:59.400 --> 01:00:59.940
Interesting.
1284
01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:03.880
It did give you a lot of fuel and ideas
1285
01:01:04.219 --> 01:01:08.239
for platypus, right? Yeah, no, I, it, it drove me
1286
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:10.340
to make the next one.
1287
01:01:11.820 --> 01:01:14.369
More myself. Like I said, like basically at platypus, I
1288
01:01:14.829 --> 01:01:18.469
pretty much did everything. Like I didn't actually score the film.
1289
01:01:18.510 --> 01:01:20.730
I didn't act in the film this time, but I,
1290
01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:23.829
you know, I was always like, every every part of
1291
01:01:23.849 --> 01:01:26.349
the way i was like this has to be how i.
1292
01:01:26.309 --> 01:01:30.389
Want to make it yeah no that sounds really satisfying
1293
01:01:30.469 --> 01:01:33.159
and i'm excited to see what people think of it
1294
01:01:33.219 --> 01:01:35.860
and kind of where it goes and uh at the
1295
01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:39.239
time of when this episode comes out people will have
1296
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:42.380
started reflecting on those things you know there's a review
1297
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.280
embargo right now right on letterboxd.
1298
01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:50.159
There's a I think it's called a review embargo or something.
1299
01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:51.909
Like you're not allowed to post reviews.
1300
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.389
I know I went on there earlier and it's, it's
1301
01:01:54.530 --> 01:01:58.010
right now, or when we were recording the episode, it
1302
01:01:58.050 --> 01:02:00.409
said like no reviews or ratings allowed.
1303
01:02:01.250 --> 01:02:01.750
Oh, okay.
1304
01:02:01.949 --> 01:02:02.130
Yeah.
1305
01:02:02.170 --> 01:02:02.429
Yeah.
1306
01:02:03.030 --> 01:02:04.429
I guess that makes sense. I hope so.
1307
01:02:04.590 --> 01:02:04.789
Yeah.
1308
01:02:04.989 --> 01:02:08.710
So after the 24th, is it that will be up
1309
01:02:09.369 --> 01:02:09.829
and then the.
1310
01:02:10.090 --> 01:02:11.190
20th, the 20th, the 20th.
1311
01:02:11.269 --> 01:02:11.369
Okay.
1312
01:02:11.389 --> 01:02:12.989
The 24th is the end of the fantastic fest.
1313
01:02:16.059 --> 01:02:16.280
Yeah.
1314
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:16.639
Yeah.
1315
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:16.880
Yeah.
1316
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:17.320
Okay.
1317
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.780
It'll, it'll, it'll premiere on, I guess this is retroactive.
1318
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:22.829
So when it premiered.
1319
01:02:22.969 --> 01:02:23.170
Yeah.
1320
01:02:23.409 --> 01:02:23.730
Cool.
1321
01:02:24.010 --> 01:02:24.150
Yeah.
1322
01:02:24.170 --> 01:02:26.090
And you're going there physically.
1323
01:02:26.570 --> 01:02:26.750
Yep.
1324
01:02:26.849 --> 01:02:29.989
I'll be there. Wow. Every day, except for the last day.
1325
01:02:30.690 --> 01:02:31.070
Okay.
1326
01:02:31.789 --> 01:02:32.389
Yeah. Take it off.
1327
01:02:32.570 --> 01:02:32.710
But.
1328
01:02:33.349 --> 01:02:36.750
Well, yeah, you've, you've attended the second screening of platypus.
1329
01:02:37.489 --> 01:02:38.030
Why stay?
1330
01:02:39.610 --> 01:02:43.650
You know, I'm really excited for this one. Uh, I
1331
01:02:43.690 --> 01:02:46.269
don't know how you say, uh, Kligor or Kligor. Um,
1332
01:02:47.289 --> 01:02:49.269
it's like a puppet film. It's Canadian puppet film.
1333
01:02:49.769 --> 01:02:50.030
Okay.
1334
01:02:50.469 --> 01:02:53.869
It's, it looks really great. It's puppets and animation get
1335
01:02:53.909 --> 01:02:56.750
me every time. So that's, that's my number one. I
1336
01:02:56.969 --> 01:02:58.869
want to see that one.
1337
01:02:59.110 --> 01:03:00.510
Would you ever do a puppet film?
1338
01:03:01.269 --> 01:03:05.599
I've thought about this like, or like stop motion. Um, maybe,
1339
01:03:05.739 --> 01:03:08.360
but it's, it's not, I think I have to focus
1340
01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:11.449
on the ones that have already, sort of like angelically
1341
01:03:11.510 --> 01:03:12.210
been given to me.
1342
01:03:12.769 --> 01:03:13.710
Yeah. Yeah.
1343
01:03:14.070 --> 01:03:17.730
I do love puppet films, especially when they're, um, like
1344
01:03:17.750 --> 01:03:19.829
kind of twisted, you know, like, have you heard of
1345
01:03:19.849 --> 01:03:20.889
this film marquee?
1346
01:03:21.449 --> 01:03:23.480
Like M-A-R-Q-Q-U-I-S.
1347
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:26.920
Is that the one that, um, Mondo just released?
1348
01:03:27.219 --> 01:03:28.389
Yeah. That's the one.
1349
01:03:28.429 --> 01:03:30.880
Yeah, I'm upset that I didn't grab the red disc.
1350
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:33.360
I got to see that at some point.
1351
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:34.559
I saw it and I.
1352
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:36.679
Was like, this is insane.
1353
01:03:36.949 --> 01:03:41.829
Yeah. But anyways, we are getting to around an hour 10.
1354
01:03:41.829 --> 01:03:44.610
So if you're cool, we'll do the questionnaire and wrap
1355
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.239
things up. um i mean we've we've plugged everything you
1356
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:52.820
know uh platypus is uh there should be more details
1357
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:55.659
coming out about platypus like whether it's going to be
1358
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:59.300
doing festivals or theatrical runs and hopefully a blu-ray down
1359
01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:01.880
the road um and i'm guessing people can find out
1360
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.980
information like through your instagram.
1361
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:06.920
Yeah yeah you can yeah message me or if i
1362
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:09.590
post something or through muscle I guess.
1363
01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:09.929
Yeah.
1364
01:04:10.070 --> 01:04:10.809
Oh, and muscle too.
1365
01:04:10.849 --> 01:04:11.050
Yeah.
1366
01:04:11.289 --> 01:04:12.210
I'll link muscle.
1367
01:04:12.650 --> 01:04:15.030
And, uh, I will also link your letterbox, which is
1368
01:04:15.090 --> 01:04:18.489
how I originally found you because, um, you have just
1369
01:04:18.530 --> 01:04:21.650
been like a treasure trove of obscure slashers, you know?
1370
01:04:21.769 --> 01:04:23.829
So I, I do, I, a part of me wants
1371
01:04:23.849 --> 01:04:26.510
to ask you like, give me your top five obscure slashers,
1372
01:04:26.550 --> 01:04:27.659
but that's so on the spot.
1373
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:29.679
So that's tough. Yeah.
1374
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.599
Like I can't even answer what a murder drone film is.
1375
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.099
Yeah. Yeah.
1376
01:04:35.579 --> 01:04:38.619
No, like, uh, it's tough because I don't know what, like,
1377
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.320
what qualifies as obscure because like you know sometimes you'll
1378
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.750
you'll watch you'll like read lists and be like oh
1379
01:04:45.969 --> 01:04:48.550
these obscure films and i'll put like my bloody valentine
1380
01:04:48.570 --> 01:04:49.429
in the burning.
1381
01:04:49.469 --> 01:04:53.829
And you're like like uh how about um this is
1382
01:04:53.929 --> 01:04:56.820
really niche but like and you okay give me your
1383
01:04:56.860 --> 01:05:02.099
like top favorite two or three slashes that have never
1384
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:03.579
come out on blu-ray.
1385
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:07.340
Oh that's a good question um or in a question
1386
01:05:07.389 --> 01:05:08.440
is it yeah.
1387
01:05:08.090 --> 01:05:09.760
You can do five if you got it in you
1388
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.360
i just i'm trying to be uh generous so many have.
1389
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:18.119
Been coming out um we need love massacre that's a
1390
01:05:18.139 --> 01:05:20.449
great one it's a don't know it hong kong i
1391
01:05:20.469 --> 01:05:22.289
think it's yeah it's a hong kong film shot in
1392
01:05:22.329 --> 01:05:26.750
san francisco uh it's very good uh 81 uh honeymoon
1393
01:05:26.769 --> 01:05:29.010
horror i like i don't i know there's some rights
1394
01:05:29.050 --> 01:05:32.780
issues with that that needs to come out um There
1395
01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:36.150
are so many. Oh, there's one called Basagang Pula. It's
1396
01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:40.170
from the Philippines. It has Sookie Serna in it and
1397
01:05:40.269 --> 01:05:44.420
Ace Verso. And it's a good little film. It's like
1398
01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:46.139
two hours, so it's like a half hour too long.
1399
01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:46.920
That is long.
1400
01:05:46.940 --> 01:05:53.300
Yeah, they don't need to be screened. I really want
1401
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:55.300
Body Count to finally come out.
1402
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.289
That's probably my number one, actually.
1403
01:05:58.309 --> 01:05:59.429
So good.
1404
01:05:59.449 --> 01:06:04.289
Because I don't love the film, but the score is fantastic.
1405
01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:08.550
And it's got, again, it's got that sensibility where it's
1406
01:06:08.590 --> 01:06:11.909
what it shoots, where it shoots on that campground, just
1407
01:06:12.030 --> 01:06:18.199
gives you that feeling. Yeah, yeah. Maybe Karma's great in it. Oh, God,
1408
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.309
there's so many. Okay, which one? I think I have
1409
01:06:21.389 --> 01:06:23.349
one more, right? One more. Sure.
1410
01:06:23.409 --> 01:06:23.650
Yeah.
1411
01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:25.909
Yeah.
1412
01:06:25.989 --> 01:06:29.469
Uh, ritual of death, ritual of death is, uh, or
1413
01:06:29.489 --> 01:06:32.269
they should just be, uh, uh, a box set, uh,
1414
01:06:32.449 --> 01:06:36.119
Fauci months or it's a Brazilian filmmaker. So it's ritual
1415
01:06:36.139 --> 01:06:39.239
of death and satanic attraction. I believe both came out
1416
01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:42.239
in 1990. Maybe attraction was 89. And then, uh, what
1417
01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:48.659
was it called? Oh, karma, karma from 1984, uh, which
1418
01:06:48.699 --> 01:06:51.230
might have issues because they use the score from Friday
1419
01:06:51.250 --> 01:06:56.210
the 13th part three. But like, yeah, those three should
1420
01:06:56.230 --> 01:06:56.969
come out.
1421
01:06:57.250 --> 01:07:02.960
Wow. That's so specific. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1422
01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:03.750
I love it.
1423
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:05.579
And I just want to point out too, that you
1424
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.619
said Friday the 13th part three specifically, because if I'm not,
1425
01:07:10.420 --> 01:07:13.530
if I'm not mistaken, like Harry Manfredini did all the
1426
01:07:13.570 --> 01:07:16.300
scores and like, I wouldn't be able to tell the
1427
01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:18.800
difference between a lot of them, but you knew specifically
1428
01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:20.719
it was 513 Part 3.
1429
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:21.320
That's amazing.
1430
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:23.929
Yeah, you haven't seen them too much.
1431
01:07:24.510 --> 01:07:25.510
Yeah. No, no, no.
1432
01:07:25.570 --> 01:07:28.530
And I mean, it's paying off because Platypus is an
1433
01:07:28.570 --> 01:07:31.980
incredible slasher and I hope you... keep making slashers and
1434
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.960
other films, whatever the artistic impulses are telling you, uh,
1435
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.070
can be authentically made by you in that moment.
1436
01:07:39.530 --> 01:07:40.989
I will say most of the films I want to
1437
01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:44.090
make are slasher films. I just amazing. We need it.
1438
01:07:44.349 --> 01:07:44.590
Yeah.
1439
01:07:44.630 --> 01:07:45.110
We need them.
1440
01:07:45.590 --> 01:07:48.949
We need them. We don't have them. Yeah. Okay. Let's
1441
01:07:48.969 --> 01:07:50.730
do this questionnaire and then I'll let you get on
1442
01:07:50.750 --> 01:07:51.070
your way.
1443
01:07:51.389 --> 01:07:51.570
Sure.
1444
01:07:51.670 --> 01:07:51.909
All right.
1445
01:07:52.179 --> 01:07:54.019
What is one item you can't live without?
1446
01:07:56.460 --> 01:07:57.099
Um, okay.
1447
01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:57.380
Yeah.
1448
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:02.579
Uh, I will be silly. My camera, my camera. Yeah.
1449
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.559
Hell yeah. Okay. Um, what was the last great movie
1450
01:08:06.579 --> 01:08:07.360
you saw in theaters?
1451
01:08:08.300 --> 01:08:11.789
Great movie. I, I gotta be honest. I, none of
1452
01:08:11.829 --> 01:08:14.429
my friends liked it. None of them, but I love
1453
01:08:14.449 --> 01:08:15.050
the odyssey.
1454
01:08:15.610 --> 01:08:16.090
Sorry.
1455
01:08:16.270 --> 01:08:19.069
Like I actually, and so like we all came out
1456
01:08:19.149 --> 01:08:21.310
and everyone's like, that's like the worst Nolan. It just
1457
01:08:21.350 --> 01:08:23.300
didn't work. And I was like, I might be my
1458
01:08:23.350 --> 01:08:26.520
favorite Nolan film. And I can't, I can't even explain why,
1459
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.699
like it has editing problems. Uh, the gray scale ruins
1460
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:34.300
some shots that could be absolutely magnificent, but I just,
1461
01:08:34.539 --> 01:08:36.670
I just, I don't know. I really connected with that one.
1462
01:08:37.130 --> 01:08:37.369
Huh?
1463
01:08:37.989 --> 01:08:38.590
I thought it was fun.
1464
01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:38.989
Yeah.
1465
01:08:39.050 --> 01:08:39.329
Cool.
1466
01:08:39.890 --> 01:08:42.890
I haven't seen it yet. I, um, I wasn't really interested.
1467
01:08:42.909 --> 01:08:44.850
And then I found out there's monsters in it and
1468
01:08:44.869 --> 01:08:47.229
was like, okay, now I'm intrigued.
1469
01:08:47.409 --> 01:08:49.310
That's the part where I was like, Oh, like a
1470
01:08:49.350 --> 01:08:51.800
hand comes from the darkness and he's a cyclops and
1471
01:08:51.850 --> 01:08:54.560
he starts eating the people. And I was just like, Oh, Oh,
1472
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.289
this is like Clash of the Titans, but like... Oh, okay.
1473
01:08:58.609 --> 01:08:59.979
Cool, cool. I'll watch it now.
1474
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.739
I'll watch it now um what was the last great
1475
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.439
concert you.
1476
01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:07.680
Went to i don't go to a lot of concerts
1477
01:09:08.300 --> 01:09:10.960
um oh maybe goblin.
1478
01:09:11.470 --> 01:09:14.329
Oh cool yeah yeah nice that was were they just
1479
01:09:14.369 --> 01:09:17.590
doing like a mix of stuff yeah.
1480
01:09:17.430 --> 01:09:22.300
They were playing uh they're playing like the scores from like, well,
1481
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:27.439
like the Suspiria and everything. So Tenebrae. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1482
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:28.689
Nice.
1483
01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:29.350
Yeah.
1484
01:09:29.470 --> 01:09:32.090
I saw that a couple of years ago, it was
1485
01:09:32.170 --> 01:09:35.890
like Claudio Simonetti and three kind of like hired hands.
1486
01:09:36.409 --> 01:09:39.130
And they just went through like the highlights of all
1487
01:09:39.170 --> 01:09:41.149
the films. And then they also did like a little
1488
01:09:41.189 --> 01:09:44.949
montage of like, halloween and the exorcist and stuff like
1489
01:09:44.970 --> 01:09:47.630
that it was pretty fun yeah i think i feel
1490
01:09:47.649 --> 01:09:50.050
like you maybe saw the same tour or something.
1491
01:09:50.590 --> 01:09:54.130
Yeah maybe yeah uh the um i think the one
1492
01:09:54.170 --> 01:09:55.949
i regret not going to because i had a chance
1493
01:09:56.010 --> 01:09:59.069
was uh depeche mode um back when back when they're
1494
01:09:59.329 --> 01:10:02.789
all were still alive and so okay yeah so because
1495
01:10:02.810 --> 01:10:05.449
that's one of my favorite like formative groups growing up
1496
01:10:05.789 --> 01:10:07.770
well i guess i was 19 when i started listening
1497
01:10:07.829 --> 01:10:10.760
but like it really okay yeah they were great and
1498
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.159
so At least two of them are still left, so
1499
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.979
I gotta go next time. I can't miss that opportunity.
1500
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:18.149
Do you have a favorite album of theirs?
1501
01:10:19.609 --> 01:10:22.329
Yeah, I'd say, I think Some Great Reward's my favorite.
1502
01:10:22.689 --> 01:10:24.090
Some Great Reward?
1503
01:10:24.130 --> 01:10:27.949
For me, it's their first, everything from Speak and Spell
1504
01:10:27.970 --> 01:10:31.270
to Ultra, and the recent one, Romantic Mori. I think
1505
01:10:31.310 --> 01:10:34.810
those are really the great stuff. I'd say Some Great Reward,
1506
01:10:35.029 --> 01:10:38.989
then Black Celebration, and then violators there but i think
1507
01:10:39.189 --> 01:10:41.560
honestly a broken frame has been climbing up and up
1508
01:10:41.619 --> 01:10:44.060
for me i that was one when i first listened
1509
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:47.020
to i was like it's kind of cheesy and then
1510
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.399
before i listened to it i'm like i'm actually really
1511
01:10:49.420 --> 01:10:51.800
into this one cool okay.
1512
01:10:51.869 --> 01:10:55.069
So it's like your dream concert then will be depeche
1513
01:10:55.109 --> 01:10:58.210
mode yes which will i'm sure will happen i'm sure
1514
01:10:58.229 --> 01:11:00.590
will happen they they tour every so often.
1515
01:11:00.510 --> 01:11:02.109
I live in a big city they've got to come.
1516
01:11:01.989 --> 01:11:05.720
Here right Yeah, exactly. Okay. What was the last great
1517
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:06.520
book you read?
1518
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:11.300
Books I can't keep track of when I read them. Oh,
1519
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.300
I reread one of my favorites, Flowers for Algernon.
1520
01:11:16.140 --> 01:11:20.609
Oh, wow. Depressing. Yes, I read that in high school,
1521
01:11:20.649 --> 01:11:20.989
I think.
1522
01:11:21.029 --> 01:11:23.569
Yeah, I read it in high school and I kept
1523
01:11:23.630 --> 01:11:25.210
the book from high school because they were like getting
1524
01:11:25.270 --> 01:11:25.529
rid of.
1525
01:11:25.529 --> 01:11:25.989
It one day.
1526
01:11:26.010 --> 01:11:28.109
And I was like, I'll take a copy. And I
1527
01:11:28.130 --> 01:11:30.819
reread it like a few months ago. And just like
1528
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:33.079
in high school, I like balled my eyes out at
1529
01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:37.039
like the last two pages when the teacher, uh, when
1530
01:11:37.060 --> 01:11:39.920
the teacher realizes that like, like he's in class again,
1531
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:45.489
I'm just like, I'm actually good. It's really awesome. Yeah.
1532
01:11:45.510 --> 01:11:49.390
Big recommendation there from flowers for algebra.
1533
01:11:49.449 --> 01:11:49.609
Yeah.
1534
01:11:50.010 --> 01:11:50.510
Oh, wow.
1535
01:11:50.569 --> 01:11:50.710
Wow.
1536
01:11:50.750 --> 01:11:51.090
Yeah.
1537
01:11:51.789 --> 01:11:54.579
Have you seen the, any of the, the adaptations of it?
1538
01:11:54.829 --> 01:11:55.170
I haven't.
1539
01:11:55.229 --> 01:11:57.319
Cause I just, I don't, it's, it's like catcher in
1540
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.199
the rye. I'm not going to watch a film because it's,
1541
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.199
There are some that I'm just like, no, I don't think,
1542
01:12:02.739 --> 01:12:04.989
I just don't think it's going to work because some
1543
01:12:05.090 --> 01:12:08.229
books really, a good book is just going to reach
1544
01:12:08.270 --> 01:12:08.840
right into you.
1545
01:12:09.510 --> 01:12:10.329
Totally. Yeah.
1546
01:12:10.710 --> 01:12:13.229
I think I watched like a TV movie version of
1547
01:12:13.329 --> 01:12:17.329
it with Matthew Modine and it didn't really get across
1548
01:12:17.390 --> 01:12:20.850
the same feeling. I remember it just being so bleak.
1549
01:12:21.189 --> 01:12:25.109
Like I just felt so depressed after finishing it, you know,
1550
01:12:25.569 --> 01:12:28.039
not really ideal to read when you're a young kid
1551
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.920
and you're just like, man, I feel like everyone hates
1552
01:12:30.979 --> 01:12:33.199
me and I don't fit in with anyone.
1553
01:12:33.220 --> 01:12:34.539
I should read this book.
1554
01:12:34.579 --> 01:12:38.359
That's like basically about how you're probably right. And then
1555
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.819
you'll try to fix that. And then you'll be left
1556
01:12:40.899 --> 01:12:44.220
being even more of like, uh, an outsider.
1557
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:45.359
Yeah.
1558
01:12:45.380 --> 01:12:45.800
Right.
1559
01:12:45.939 --> 01:12:46.180
Yeah.
1560
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.739
Very teen angsty. And I know it's like, uh, like
1561
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:50.380
at this point it's kind of a meme, but I don't,
1562
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.420
I don't know. I, it, I've always, that was another
1563
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:54.159
one I read when I was a teenager and I
1564
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.369
was like, Oh dang, like, you know, when you're not, when,
1565
01:12:57.409 --> 01:12:59.680
not when you're right or right, but like when, you know,
1566
01:12:59.699 --> 01:13:02.920
some films are sort of, sorry, not films. Some books are,
1567
01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:06.689
there's a reason they've been classics probably. Totally.
1568
01:13:06.810 --> 01:13:09.989
Yeah. For me, it was, I was really into like S.E.
1569
01:13:10.010 --> 01:13:13.590
Hinton books, like The Outsiders. And there's a sequel to that.
1570
01:13:13.989 --> 01:13:16.710
That was then, this is now, which is like devastating.
1571
01:13:16.850 --> 01:13:19.689
And I've noticed that my taste now in films, like
1572
01:13:20.310 --> 01:13:22.989
my second favorite after horror is like harsh coming of
1573
01:13:23.069 --> 01:13:23.590
age films.
1574
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.359
You know? And I think that's, yeah, yeah.
1575
01:13:26.420 --> 01:13:28.920
For me, it's like, yeah, what do you like? Well, Slashers.
1576
01:13:29.550 --> 01:13:33.270
uh yeah jolly uh yeah like demon possession films and
1577
01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:37.420
then next is like like melodrama and art house and
1578
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.560
then coming of age is right there as well and
1579
01:13:39.819 --> 01:13:42.119
i don't know why but i love coming of age
1580
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.859
films that just happen to have like uh younger man
1581
01:13:44.979 --> 01:13:47.239
older woman i just i don't know why but i
1582
01:13:47.310 --> 01:13:51.590
always like there's must be something like something uh freudian
1583
01:13:51.630 --> 01:13:53.930
in me or something but like yeah i'm just like
1584
01:13:54.550 --> 01:13:56.829
why are like my top like 50 films there's like
1585
01:13:56.909 --> 01:13:59.939
four of them where it's like Like Mascarada or like
1586
01:13:59.960 --> 01:14:02.279
Harold and Maude or something like that.
1587
01:14:02.340 --> 01:14:02.500
Oh, okay.
1588
01:14:02.539 --> 01:14:04.699
Interesting. I got to explore those films.
1589
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.880
I think for me, I really like when there's like
1590
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:12.649
really violent, horrible things that happen, but the characters don't
1591
01:14:12.670 --> 01:14:15.050
really know how to make sense out of it. You know,
1592
01:14:15.789 --> 01:14:17.810
that's the kind of thing I look for. I mean,
1593
01:14:18.989 --> 01:14:21.250
I don't know if you're familiar with this film Typhoon Club.
1594
01:14:22.770 --> 01:14:23.539
Oh, I haven't seen it.
1595
01:14:24.329 --> 01:14:25.149
Yeah, it's really good.
1596
01:14:25.189 --> 01:14:28.300
It's a Japanese film from like the late 80s.
1597
01:14:28.590 --> 01:14:29.250
I think it is.
1598
01:14:29.670 --> 01:14:33.399
It's like around two hours long, kind of artsy, very slow.
1599
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.060
And there's a few moments in the film where like,
1600
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:39.899
you know, like assault happens or like just something really
1601
01:14:39.979 --> 01:14:45.220
messed up. And the film doesn't really give you what
1602
01:14:45.260 --> 01:14:48.750
you'd expect after. And the kids don't really react how
1603
01:14:48.810 --> 01:14:50.850
you would expect and things like that.
1604
01:14:50.869 --> 01:14:54.590
So I think sometimes with films, the best catharsis there's
1605
01:14:54.649 --> 01:14:57.890
actually no answer at all at the end. I think
1606
01:14:57.909 --> 01:15:00.149
some people are like, I just want them to give
1607
01:15:00.170 --> 01:15:02.680
me an answer. And you're like, no, I think when
1608
01:15:02.699 --> 01:15:07.319
you're left with the broken pieces of a film destroying you,
1609
01:15:07.859 --> 01:15:10.079
not saying anything is almost better.
1610
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.899
Yeah, I kind of know what you mean.
1611
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.470
I think for me, it's like, like I need something
1612
01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:19.850
heavy to happen, you know, that sort of like checks
1613
01:15:19.869 --> 01:15:23.189
the box in a way, but then feeling like there
1614
01:15:23.250 --> 01:15:26.729
was no like cleaning up of that after is sort
1615
01:15:26.789 --> 01:15:28.590
of makes that resonate with me more.
1616
01:15:28.609 --> 01:15:30.909
Yeah. You have to clean it up. You're the cleaner.
1617
01:15:31.369 --> 01:15:31.630
Yes.
1618
01:15:31.810 --> 01:15:32.710
Yes, exactly.
1619
01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:33.010
Yes.
1620
01:15:33.130 --> 01:15:33.970
You're absolutely right.
1621
01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:34.810
Okay.
1622
01:15:34.979 --> 01:15:35.899
Next question.
1623
01:15:36.069 --> 01:15:38.359
It's a, it's a long one, but for his final meal,
1624
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.659
John Wayne Gacy picked KFC chicken, shrimp and strawberries for
1625
01:15:42.699 --> 01:15:44.560
your final meal before being executed.
1626
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:45.159
What would you pick?
1627
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:47.619
KFC.
1628
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.050
Well, no, you don't need to say those.
1629
01:15:50.090 --> 01:15:53.430
It's a joke. It's a joke.
1630
01:15:53.569 --> 01:15:54.789
I'm not crazy.
1631
01:15:54.930 --> 01:15:58.750
My whole meal.
1632
01:15:58.810 --> 01:16:03.970
Yeah, that's a long one. Cause you have to choose
1633
01:16:03.989 --> 01:16:05.050
like your whole meal dish.
1634
01:16:05.590 --> 01:16:06.869
Or whatever you want.
1635
01:16:07.289 --> 01:16:09.020
So I find a lot of people just say like
1636
01:16:09.149 --> 01:16:10.960
one thing and then I'll have to kind of push
1637
01:16:10.979 --> 01:16:13.000
them to be like, do you want anything to drink?
1638
01:16:13.020 --> 01:16:15.180
Do you want a dessert? You know, like I'm like
1639
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:15.960
the opposite.
1640
01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:18.229
I'm like, I'm like, just that can be like five course.
1641
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:19.350
Hell yeah.
1642
01:16:19.529 --> 01:16:23.529
Uh, probably some Berwick, uh, shepherd's pie would be good.
1643
01:16:23.550 --> 01:16:24.770
Oh, wow.
1644
01:16:24.869 --> 01:16:28.930
Okay. I love shepherd's pie. Uh, uh, briskets. I only,
1645
01:16:28.989 --> 01:16:31.380
cause I'm going to, Oh, I, I, sorry. I was
1646
01:16:31.449 --> 01:16:32.319
just in Texas.
1647
01:16:32.579 --> 01:16:34.520
Uh, yeah.
1648
01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:38.380
And, uh, uh, there's this brisket at the smokehouse. That
1649
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:39.859
was the best thing I ever had. So I can't
1650
01:16:39.899 --> 01:16:40.619
wait to go back there.
1651
01:16:41.260 --> 01:16:42.180
Oh, nice. Okay.
1652
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:44.720
Now I'm just choosing my favorite foods and putting them
1653
01:16:45.020 --> 01:16:46.020
in a weird concoction.
1654
01:16:46.050 --> 01:16:47.890
No, I think that's what it is. Oh, that's what
1655
01:16:47.930 --> 01:16:49.010
you do. Yeah. Yeah.
1656
01:16:49.329 --> 01:16:50.470
Uh, crunch Nita maybe.
1657
01:16:51.149 --> 01:16:51.630
What's that one?
1658
01:16:52.130 --> 01:16:53.430
Uh, it's like, it was like a, it's like, it's
1659
01:16:53.449 --> 01:16:57.329
like a flaky, uh, cream, like puff cake.
1660
01:16:57.829 --> 01:16:58.489
Oh, okay.
1661
01:16:58.770 --> 01:17:01.430
Um, and then probably apple juice.
1662
01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:02.890
Apple juice. Okay.
1663
01:17:03.189 --> 01:17:04.770
In a cart with a straw, please.
1664
01:17:05.329 --> 01:17:05.569
Yeah.
1665
01:17:05.609 --> 01:17:05.949
Why not?
1666
01:17:05.970 --> 01:17:06.130
Yeah.
1667
01:17:08.170 --> 01:17:08.850
And some sushi.
1668
01:17:08.989 --> 01:17:09.390
There you go.
1669
01:17:09.409 --> 01:17:10.250
Sushi? Nice.
1670
01:17:10.270 --> 01:17:13.170
A lot of people say sushi. Sushi and Mexican tend
1671
01:17:13.189 --> 01:17:16.869
to be like the most popular choices. So I think
1672
01:17:16.890 --> 01:17:18.600
they are kind of the best foods, really.
1673
01:17:19.140 --> 01:17:20.180
Mexican and sushi.
1674
01:17:20.529 --> 01:17:20.760
Yeah.
1675
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:23.619
I mean, I have enchiladas sitting in my fridge right now.
1676
01:17:23.819 --> 01:17:27.439
There you go. You got to do it. All right. Well,
1677
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:31.180
one more question and then you can go eat those enchiladas. Okay.
1678
01:17:31.859 --> 01:17:33.340
Can art go too far?
1679
01:17:35.180 --> 01:17:39.279
Yes, but only in the sense that I've thought about it.
1680
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.500
I've never come to a concrete answer. When art starts
1681
01:17:42.539 --> 01:17:47.170
to be propagandized, when you're telling your audience what to
1682
01:17:47.189 --> 01:17:52.170
think instead of leading them to the well, if you
1683
01:17:52.210 --> 01:17:56.250
just clearly have an angle that you're trying to influence them,
1684
01:17:56.810 --> 01:18:02.539
that's when it's going too far. It's tough because we've
1685
01:18:02.579 --> 01:18:05.239
had this discussion in film theory classes and all those
1686
01:18:05.380 --> 01:18:08.390
where it's like, what is art? And so I kind
1687
01:18:08.430 --> 01:18:11.090
of have the idea that like art has, it's much
1688
01:18:11.170 --> 01:18:15.880
wider than a lot of people others would consider. But
1689
01:18:15.899 --> 01:18:18.380
that also means that I probably think that art can
1690
01:18:18.420 --> 01:18:19.659
go too far at some point.
1691
01:18:20.739 --> 01:18:23.020
Nothing wrong with feeling that way, if that's how you feel.
1692
01:18:23.060 --> 01:18:25.659
You know, you are an artist with your own singular voice.
1693
01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:28.539
So I think you need to have these kinds of opinions, right?
1694
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.829
I don't know where the line is, though. I know
1695
01:18:32.850 --> 01:18:33.670
when it's been crossed.
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Okay, okay.
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No, no, I like that you said that because I
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haven't had too many people kind of point out the
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propaganda aspect of it. And I think that is a
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very poignant thing to say.
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The thing is, like, you can watch a film and
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you can agree with, like, its politics or its ideology
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and still be like, like, what are you... Like, I
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might agree with this film, but you're telling me what
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to think instead of, like, opening my eyes to something
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that is self-evident.
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Ah, okay. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I.
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I would love to pick your brain more about it
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and ask you movies that kind of came to mind,
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but I feel like we'll be here all day. Unless
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you have a film ready to go.
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No, it's okay. I'll keep it quiet. I don't want
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to get in trouble.
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Okay, okay. yeah probably not a good way to go
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right after you made friends with the director at fantastic
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fest right.
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What no i didn't this is before this is before
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i met any of them i have this this.
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Is before right but wishful thinking you know Okay, well, Joshua,
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amazing talking with you. I'd love to have you back
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on after you make this project that you didn't want
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to talk about too much, but might be similar to
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a film I'm going to see in about an hour
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and a half.
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But yeah, Platypus is.
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Hopefully going to be available to everyone who's interested.
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And yeah, awesome.
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Yeah, everyone enjoy the film. I think you will.
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I think they will. I think they will.
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I think you'll find a lot of strong reviews on
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Letterboxd because this is exactly what people are wanting right now,
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I think.
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So, yeah. Cool. All right. Well, thanks so much, Joshua.
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All right. Have a good one and enjoy your enchiladas. Bye. Bye.
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Bye.
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