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Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having us today.
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Speaker 2: Wow where do I start? Okay, Well, first of all, Lieutenant Dan, may I call you Lieutenant Dan for a moment. Yes, when we first start talking, You're like, are you wear of that bad Dana? Like Lieutenant Dan? And I was like, I guess I am. Huh A little bit of love right there. But I can also cross over. You got magic legs, Lieutenant Dan through the desert. Yes, I love it. I'm tired. I think I'm done now. You know, Gary, I've been growing this on my face for a long time and I didn't know why, And today I think I finally met that moment. So thank you for being on Software Up Radio with us today, and Jake over to you. Let's just say that I'm a big fan of your work. Okay, I'm a fan. I find you to be emotionally charging to me in my brain with what you've brought to my senses with your family. I mean, if you ever my listener out there, if you ever saw Saving Private Ryan where they go and collect all their brothers who had passed away's certificates and then they went Saved Ryan, it's kind of like that to me. You gave up everything to embed in like five, to go to Mosul and all these different places in Iraq with your brothers who weren't in the military, who was like lieutenant or captain private or Private first class at the time. Holy cow, bro, tell me about it.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Isaac and Joe came back from Fallujah where they were with the eighty second Airborne, and they told me the truth wasn't coming home from Iraq.
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Speaker 3: So I took all the money ever made.
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Speaker 4: As an actor, I got permission from the military, went back to my hometown in Decater, Illinois, raised a bunch of money, and went to Iraq to join Isaac on his third deployment there.
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Speaker 3: And what I learned changed my life forever.
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Speaker 4: You know, going out with those guys going out with the Lrist guys out of the Syrian border, also coming back a second time embedded in the marine advisors in the Iraqi Army, and the snipers and National Guard infantry.
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Speaker 3: And even more than the missions, it was.
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Speaker 4: The men and women that I met and their hearts touched me, and but I learned from them and who they really are and how this experience was sort of transforming them. I wanted to capture all that in Brothers at War and finished that film through a former marine, Mike Broderick, introduced me to Gary Sinise, and he saw the film a couple of days before Thanksgiving, and I don't want to speak for him too much, but he kind of fell in love with the film and started telling me what to do, and so we made an executive producer and that was in two thousand and seven, and ever since our past sort acrossed, you know, he's been giving me advice, kind of guiding me, and I've been kind of continued, I mean to go deeper and deeper into the experience of our veterans and their families. The film became a workshop, and then the workshops have been done for about fifty thousand people over the last fifteen years, and in around twenty fifteen sixteen, we started talking and I really wanted to go revisit a lot of these folks that I met in Iraq, and Gary had strong feelings about that. They were very positive, and so together we sort of came up with this concept. And then with the blessing of the Gary Snede Foundation, I was able to go across the world and reconnect with all these guys for the new film Brothers After War.
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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed that there was a budget, you know, that you were getting to go to travel and see all these different people that wanted to hug you, not shake your hand because they're brothers. I like that. I like when they said like, hey, we're brothers, we hug right.
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Speaker 5: Gary, of course, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, And so you got into this, I mean, Lieutenant Dan really propelled you into the military veteran's life of you supporting the US. So in my opinion, you know, watching it in the nineties, seeing you portray such a every one of my family gump have died in a war. You know, I should be on that battlefield that actually came through in the film. Someone said I should have been like Lieutenant Dan, I shouldn't be here talking right now.
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Speaker 5: That's right, look that you know.
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Speaker 6: Playing the character was certainly something that was very positive in many ways. I mean, first of all, as an actor, I hadn't done that many films before Forrest Gump. And then when you're in you know, a film like that, which is you know, the most you know, the biggest film of the year and all of that, it can have a positive effect on the career, which it did, so it changed a lot of things on that side.
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Speaker 5: But it also.
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Speaker 6: Introduced me to the Disabled American Veterans Organization, where I started supporting them right after the movie came out and have continued to support their efforts over these many years. And then so many of the things that happened after September eleventh just kind of snowballed into the creation of a foundation.
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Speaker 5: When I met Jake, I didn't have a foundation. I was just.
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Speaker 6: I was getting involved with a lot of other military nonprofits and trying to support them in various ways to help our service members and their families out. So I would get involved in these different efforts, and I was going out for the USO, and I was playing concerts with the band, I was going to the hospitals doing all this this kind of thing and really engaging with a lot of people that were just there. They were living the military life, right. And then along and I and I as a as a public figure, I was trying to use the public platform that I had to explain a bit to our fellow citizens about military life and what folks were going through and what our families were going through during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. And then, as Jake said, a buddy of ours, a mutual buddy, Michael Broderick, he had seen Jake's movie and he thought that Jake and I should meet and that I should see the movie, which which Jake and his producing partner Norman Powell showed me the movie. I arranged for them to come over to the studio where I was shooting CSI, New York. We had a little screen over there and they showed me the movie and it, you know, Brothers at War just spoke so clearly to the military experience that what military life was going off to war coming home, kids don't recognize your spout, you know, getting I mean all these things. It really was speaking to a lot of the things that I was trying to kind of, you know, make the public aware of that our military was going through during a very very difficult time. So, as Jake said, I came on board as executive producer to help him get the movie out there. I remember I sponsored, Remember I sponsored a screening Jake. I think it was at Sony, and we invited just a ton of our friends, you know, and lots of great people. One of those friends of mine was the singer songwriter John Androsik, who has the band Five for Fighting, and John came to that screening at Sony and John offered to write a song for the movie, which he ended up doing with Jake. A lot of great things came out of it, including the many workshops that Jake started doing on military bases all over the country. Just we could see that the movie was really because we opened it in military communities around the country, and you know, like Fayetteville and Columbus, Georgia, places where a lot big military presence but also a lot of veterans, and the movie did well and we could see that it was kind of you know, people wanted to talk about their own personal experiences after viewing the movie, and so Jake started doing these workshops with them on military bases, and one thing led to another, and then there was just, you know, hundreds of workshops down the road. And at one point, as Jake mentioned, you know, after several years of him doing workshops, and we started funding those at the Gary Sneze Foundation. And then Jake and I started talking about, you know, the folks that were in the first movie. You see them in the military, you see them overseas in Iraq fighting a war, dealing with the war, and we started to discuss, well, what where are all those folks, what are they doing now? Jake had stayed in touch with a few of them, but there were others that I think you had lost touch with or or just hadn't talked to in several years. And so we thought, let's let's revisit those folks, see where they're at. How many of them are still in the military, and how many are not in the military. And if they aren't in the military, what has that transition been like for them? What was their experience while serving and getting out of the military. And that's where the concept for Brothers after War came from. And we were fortunate because Jake had made a movie that had all these all these folks in it, right, and you see them in the back, You see them coming home from war and dealing with their families. You see all that while they're still serving. And now we can look back, use all that footage and reflect on that footage while we're talking to them about their transition out of the service. Most of them are out of the service that we're in the in the first film, and I just think it's a It's a beautiful, beautiful film that really shows some of the some of the challenges of getting out of the out of the service after going off to the war. But also the best part about it is that veterans are sharing their stories very very publicly for a camera that and they know it's going to go on the screen, and they're very open about sharing their stories. And for so many of our veterans, what they face is that they don't know who to share their story with. They don't want to share their story, they contain and sometimes it's very difficult and that can be problematic, and we want to show them with this film that sharing the story can be very very helpful and very positive for others. And that's what Jake did so beautifully drawing things out of each one of the service members that we that we see in the film and asking them what's it been like.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Jake will tell you what his brother said right there.
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Speaker 6: On camera, and he never knew anything about that, and so they really opened up. And that was the beautiful thing about Brothers after War.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really emotional. I do so many interviews with veterans who have written books, pursuing acting as a career, pursuing other things to try to get a job in the civilian sector. You know, I always ask him how old were you when you enlisted, how long did you serve, and now what are you doing today? You know, and your movie really kind of compartmentalizes all of that. So the both of them. I'm pretty spoiled because I got to watch the first one and I got to watch your second one, which is out on all platforms right now, right So when I looked it up on my Xbox, I was like, you know, Brothers after War, and then it brought me to my YouTube and I was like, okay, click on YouTube, and I started watching it on YouTube and then it's like, oh, by the way, it's available on Prime and all these other mediums, and I with my wife, I was like, well, let's go watch it on Prime. So we clicked on that watched the whole thing. She looked at me, like, really, you're going to interview Jake and Gary about what we're just watching. And I'm like, yeah, you know. And then we watched the second one and we had to kind of stop almost towards the end where Sergeant first Class Sammy was being talked about, because it's emotional, and it's not that it was anything hard to watch, it's just that I paused it and I just looked at her and we just said, you know, it's so humbling to see everything after the war. You know, I got guys that were completely healthy when they got inspected to go in the military, when they bent over and shown their brown round, they had no problems at all. The docs like, you're good to go. Then they get home and they still bend over. The brown round is probably right. But up in here there's some things going on and they're not talking about it. And when there's a soldier that steps up in one of your workshops and he starts to, you know, humbly cry about his service in five and he's never been the same. You know, there's a lot of veterans out there that just hold that inside. And you know, suicide is a big thing that attacks our veterans and people alike when they hold on to so much inside themselves. And then when you have everybody to write it out and journal it and just like kind of document it themselves like you did, it's like a prescription of healthiness that you're giving them, like inspiring them to do so well.
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Speaker 4: I think that was a big greason and why we took on the film. You know that that workshop was sponsored by the Gary Sneeze Foundation. That was twenty nineteen. There's about a thousand soldiers coming back from the Middle East. Their families are invited to be participated, and that's typical of what we experience in a workshop is holding space for vets, letting them kind of unpack experience, and in the course of communicating and journaling they find some healing in that moment. And then in the workshop we share other things they can do after the workshop.
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Speaker 3: And we're really teaching them how to you.
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Speaker 4: Know, walk through and work through some of these experience overseas or experiences even that happening for the military. You know, trauma is trauma, but you can process it, and post traumatic stress can.
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Speaker 3: Become post traumatic growth.
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Speaker 4: And Gary and I want guys not just survive, We want them to thrive. And so what's special about the film is you see in that moment, I've been in war, I've been in combat.
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Speaker 3: I've interviewed my brothers.
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Speaker 4: I've been there when they're leaving and when they're coming home.
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Speaker 3: I've asked the questions. I've been there when people are hurt.
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Speaker 4: But I've also spent was that about eight years helping and learning and understanding the veteran experience, understanding and coming home and experience. And for me, I think what's special about the film is that guy then gets sent off thanks to Gary and the foundation.
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Speaker 3: Into the world.
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Speaker 4: And one thing that Gary said to me, which is unique, I want to know how they're doing and what they need. So he sent me off as kind of an insider, a bit of an expert at this point, to go and go even further into those experiences. And as Gary suggested, these veterans were incredibly emotionally courageous and generous with their stories. And it was for two reasons one, it was it was a way to unpack for themselves and make sense of it.
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Speaker 3: But it was also because they knew the film was going to be seen by other veterans. And my brother Joe.
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Speaker 4: You know who is the most art and supporter in my family, the guy who's a corporal.
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Speaker 3: Busting my chops.
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Speaker 4: He's still busting my chops as a master's sergeant and his mess sergeant. Yeah, everybody gets to laugh at my expense thanks to Joe.
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Speaker 3: But you know, about a third of the.
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Speaker 4: Way through the film, Joe confesses to me that he was a half pound of pressure away from taking.
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Speaker 3: His own life. And it's the first time he's ever said it. And I think because he says in the movie.
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Speaker 4: If it will help one other soldier, that's why I'm telling you this, and I have seen I don't know if it's because he's now a former special operator, he's deployed nine times.
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Speaker 3: Jeez, that.
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Speaker 4: He's like given permission to almost a generation of warriors now.
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Speaker 3: To open up and talk about their own experiences.
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Speaker 4: When you look at the statistics, like USC did a study, thirty percent at risk for suicide.
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Speaker 3: So this is something we all just have to talk about it's actually not that big a deal.
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Speaker 4: It runs through the tribe, and by not talking about it, we're creating his face score vets can't open up and can't.
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Speaker 3: Share about it.
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Speaker 4: Complacency, Yeah, it's complacency or just you know, there's a misinterpretation. It's like you don't want to shove that thing in the filing cabinet and put it away. You actually want to open up and talk about it and feeling it as I heal from it. And it's not a terrible.
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Speaker 5: Stigma too, you know.
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Speaker 6: And that's what you have to break down because they're they're trained, they're they're not trained to be vulnerable, you know, they're trained to be strong and ass kickers, you know, and being vulnerable and exposing some of the vulnerabilities within themselves. It just doesn't come natural at all, and so you know, when you're when you know that that's part of part of the problem is we don't we don't train people to deal with the aftermath of going to war, you know, and how to deal with it. But there are multiple services out there. There's no shortage of services really, I mean you you know, the VA can only do so much right and has whatever, But there are multiple programs out there and services that are available to our veterans.
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Speaker 5: I mean, our stuff of the Gary Snes.
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Speaker 6: Foundation is just one little bit of what's available to veterans out there in terms of helping them, you know, to strengthen this inner.
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Speaker 5: Life that they're dealing with.
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Speaker 6: We see the outer life that you know, all of that, but there's an inner life that really can can be destructive and it can also be very you know, very strengthening. You know, if you're if you're healthy in here, you're going to be you know, you're going to be okay.
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Speaker 5: And but they they need help with that, you know.
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Speaker 6: So what we do with Brothers after War and the workshops and some of the other programs that we're involved with that the Gary Sense Foundation is just to try to provide some helpful tools, guidance, helpful guidance that will keep them off the ledge. You know, we don't want that, We don't want them to contain things. Telling their stories is very very important in healing. Jake's seen it a million times, you know, somebody said, oh, you know, I was thinking about going out here and taking my gun or whatever, and then I you know, saw the movie or you know, something told me I shouldn't do that.
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Speaker 5: I've had that happen with me at concerts.
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Speaker 6: You know, people write me letters after concerts, and after I talked at the concerts to the service members, and I got one thing from one guy who said, I saw your poster. I was on my way to the desert.
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Speaker 5: I was going to do this, saw your poster and I thought I.
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Speaker 6: Should go over and see the show before I go out to the desert. And your message hit me, and I didn't go. And you know, us being proactive is an important part of mental wellness because so often, right, how many times have you heard somebody took their own life or something like that, and you have their spouse, their best buddies, everybody.
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Speaker 5: Say I had no idea, right, there were no signs.
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Speaker 6: I didn't see any signs at all, no signs whatsoever.
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Speaker 5: And quite often there aren't because that inner life, right is.
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Speaker 6: Just so protected and so so locked in that they don't really share, you know. So the proaction of reaching out, you know, I've done multiple PSAs for suicide prevention and whatever, just the multiple ways that we can get out there and let people know that, hey, you're not by yourself. Nope, there's a lot of people out there that care about you.
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Speaker 2: We respect you.
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Speaker 6: We want you to know these services are available to you, and we want you to know that you're.
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Speaker 5: You've got a grateful nation out there.
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Speaker 6: We don't want you doing something that you know your family will be hurting.
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Speaker 5: You know if you do it.
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Speaker 2: Friends.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so the more we can be proactive out there, the better.
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Speaker 5: And that's what that's what the workshops do. They're proactive.
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Speaker 6: You know, you don't you know, Jake doesn't know how many people are sitting in the audience who.
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Speaker 5: Are going through tough stuff.
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Speaker 6: But if he wasn't there doing the workshops and getting people to talk about things, maybe something bad would happen. So we're trying to be proactive in what we're doing with active duty with brothers at war and transitioning veterans with brothers after war.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's commendable. I love it. I love the message. You know. I've had people reach out to me late at night with demons, you know, they hit me up through the Instagram and I'm like, my wife's like, who are you talking to I'm like, I'm not sure. I think I know them. I don't know if I know them, but right now I'm gonna act like I am there for them. And you know, you don't know if you're walking that person off that ledge or not. And I just was always taught to, like, you know, help your neighbor out, My mom and dad, good people kind of attitude. And so that's the same thing. You know, all my veterans, all my people that get on the show, everybody that listens to this, you know, they all have a value and a worth and they've we've all gone through trauma. And even if you like even Jake, Jake, you went to war, right, I consider that a veteran, you know, and that you saw things, you deal with demons. You know you're editing it. You're editing consistently. Do I want to put this in? Do I not want this in? Do I need to show this? Probably need to show this. And that might have blood involved things like that. I mean, you know, you talking to your brother and him telling you that maybe one of his first wife or second wife whatnot took him off that ledge, stopped him from you know, that extra half pound that he was just right there. Bros. A sniper instructor knows the trigger knows the sensitivity against his fingertip understands every single aspect of what he's about to do clearly with a like. So, I'm a big believer in freedom of choice. I can't stop everything, but I can only tell somebody that you're loved, And if you want to feel love, just hit me up and I'm here to respond back to you. And you know, I really love how your brother opened up about that and the vulnerability that these soldiers are giving themselves or what am I trying to say. I think that they're just opening up and just willing to shed a tear about a story. And when you see them starting to write at your workshops and they're just writing out something and they're just going and going and going and going. They all made them go with to Fallujah together or Mosul or Afghanistan, but each one of them has a different thread that wove all that together.
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Speaker 4: Well one hundred percent right, And like Gary said, you know, we want to proactively get in front of people. You know, another thing that's really special, frankly, and I was passionate about it, was I've been doing workshops for years. We're going to do workshops well into the future. Gary Sneaks Foundation sponsoring forty of them around the country for the next year.
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Speaker 3: We got a big calendar comping up.
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Speaker 4: But I love that you can go on your Xbox and find the film. And we also released in movie theaters and we wanted to do create community with that, and a lot of that's came and saw it together. But it's really nice that people can see it in their own living room because we know that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of veterans and civilians who want to know more about our veterans who want to have a better understanding already have some empathy, but maybe want a deeper, richer understanding of that experience so they can you know, we've had people already reach out and say, I've been married for twenty nine years. I saw the film. It helped me understand my husband better. Now imagine that. I mean, that's a beautiful thing about having the film available for people to watch in their own living rooms and to experience and to reflect and contemplate on whether it's their own experience, or their neighbor's experience, or their husband's experience.
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Speaker 3: And we made the film because we want we know the.
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Speaker 4: Movies make tough subjects easier to talk about, and we want people to talk about their experiences.
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Speaker 3: And one last thing I want to say is you said something really important to the beginning of the interview.
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Speaker 4: The film is very approachable and manageable, and even though we get into some of these tougher topics, we also have a lot of humor and we present a very well rounded view of our veterans. So Derek, who's mourning the loss of his friend of Memorial Day, is also throwing me out of the side of an airplane because he's also an adrenaline junkie that looks like a Viking. And that's part of his story too, right, I know, And that goes.
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Speaker 3: Throughout the entire film.
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Speaker 4: And the film has a lot of solution and a lot of ways these veterans have navigated some of these difficulties that all veterans face to get to the next place, and has a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of hope.
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Speaker 4: And I just think that's an important thing to point out to your listeners and something that Gary and I were very passionate about in making this film. You know, he's got veterans in his own family. I obviously do my sister's actually actively serving. My nephew is still serving. You met him in the film, and we wanted to present these people that we know holistically, so you get to see them and see what great people.
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Speaker 2: They are, you know. To piggyback on the captain's daughter in the documentary when she shed her tears after she's like, my daddy went six times, deployed six times, and she's having nightmares about him not coming home from the desert. You know, I just thought about my dad being a Green Beret and I was just a young ten or eleven year old while Mom watched me at home. Mom was also dad at home and took me to baseball practice. Dad was deployed for six to nine months at a time and then would come home. You know, total hot deployments, you know, these special operation lifestyles. And so your brother eighty second Airborne, you know, officer lieutenant colonel, did he retire as a lieutenant colonel?
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Speaker 3: He retired as a lieutenant colonel.
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Speaker 2: Dude, that's a boss, bro, you know. And to see his eyes think about his kids when he's gone for six months, gone for ten months, got to go again, got to go again, And made me think about my own dad thinking those same things. Probably I never asked my dad that before he passed, like, hey, you know, what was it like to have to leave us kids behind? You know, because no one ever made a big deal like Mom always had it under control. That's why she hangs with him on the mantle because she's just as special operations as he was. You know. Shout out to the moms and everybody that helps and the supporting team at home, right. And I was talking to my wife about that. I said, you know, some people can't handle their husbands being gone for six weeks. Imagine if they were deployed. But then we said, well they would be in the world of the military and there would be a support group, hopefully around those other families that needed that support.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes the support is there. I have to tell you that. I'm sure you dad felt that way.
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Speaker 4: I've done these workshops for so long that that moment from the first film when Isaac comes home and doesn't recognize you know, his daughter doesn't recognize him, and you see that look of pain on his face and you see him crying. You know, fifteen years later, when I come back to that moment, saying it takes six months to be dad again. I have every workshop impact in your family. There's a tough guy or too that says that, who's the moment I relate to? And those moments are it's so important, you know, we want someone like yourself to have a conversation with their parents or the parent.
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Speaker 3: To open up and say, is that how you feel?
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Speaker 4: My brother didn't know that his daughter was having nightmares until I did that interview, you know, and she's not the only child that's going through that. So I think the real power of the film is that it can open up insight and conversation and give us insight into those moments. And then the final thought is just I wanted the American people to know that that's the average sacrifice of the average father that deploys overseas. Three million of our service members went overseas for twenty years, and all of them that were fathers had that experience, had that moment, that same pain.
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Speaker 3: In their chest.
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Speaker 4: And that's a sacrifice and a gift that gave to the rest of us. And I feel and I'm sure Gary, I know Gary agrees with me on this. This is why we're so passionate about doing whatever we can to kind of welcome them home and encourage our fellow citizens to look out for ways they can help.
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Speaker 3: Gary says, we can never do enough, but we can always do a little bit more, and that.
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Speaker 4: I want to share with the American public, like this is the experience that they're having, and this is what they're doing for all of us.
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Speaker 2: I felt it a hundred percent. Yeah, you know, I didn't. I wanted to come prepare to this with you and Gary to say that I really was into your footage and watching it and trying to understand your editing, you know, from my perspective, and I mean we really watched them back to back. We're so blessed to have this kind of media out there where I can see something from thirteen years ago or fifteen years ago that you filmed, and now I can say, wait, he was just a private first class. Now he's a massive sargeant, sniper instructor Special Operations, freaking out on his brother in the kitchen over Syria. What's up, bro? What's up?
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's good that I have an edgy filmmaker and theater guy himself is my executive producer.
00:34:08
Speaker 3: So he was okay, with a little conflict in the kitchen.
00:34:12
Speaker 2: You know, you did stir some conflict up, bro, I went to my room when she got mad.
00:34:20
Speaker 5: That's the name of that scene, conflict in the kitchen.
00:34:23
Speaker 3: It should be well.
00:34:26
Speaker 4: I've had so many military spouses tell me that was their favorite scene in the entire film, and I've had a lot of people tell me, oh, when that happened, I knew this film was real.
00:34:35
Speaker 3: You guys weren't holding anything back, and.
00:34:38
Speaker 2: I just thought, brothers.
00:34:40
Speaker 3: It is brothers, you know.
00:34:42
Speaker 4: But in a deeper sense, I think there's value in watching a guy who banged around our act for three months debating rustling having a conversation with his brothers deployed nine times about these things that affect us all And while it's not the main focus of the film, I didn't want to suppress the truth of these veterans and how they feel about Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, because some of them are having some pretty strong feelings about all that, and I felt like we as a nation owe it to them to reflect back on some of the decisions that were made, and those who fail to look at history are doomed to repeat it.
00:35:27
Speaker 3: So as you see, I don't feel like there's a heavy hand.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: We're not telling how you should think or feel or anything like that, but we do allow Chief Turner and Joe and Chief Turner deployed seven times, Chief Intel Officer. We allow these guys to open up on some of these conversations, some of these topics so that you maybe can have that conversation in your own living room.
00:35:51
Speaker 6: And Jake, we have another interview we got to go to. But where can people download the movie? And why don't you wy don't you fill everybody in? We we of course want all your listeners to take a look at the movie. It's now available and it'll be out there for a while, you know, I mean it'll be living online for quite a while. So but we want people to go to it. We want people to see it, and we want people to tell their friends about it, especially if you're struggling, you know, take a look at it.
00:36:22
Speaker 5: There are services available.
00:36:24
Speaker 6: You can certainly go to the Garrisonese Foundation if you feel like you got a buddy who's in need of some help or some services. Also, you can just see, you know, the success that people are having.
00:36:36
Speaker 5: You know, there's there's a.
00:36:38
Speaker 6: Successful story here in Brothers After War with people moving on and that's that's the main thing at the end of the movie is we want people moving on and doing positive things and great things with their lives post military service. Where can we see the movie, Jake.
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Speaker 4: Well, you can go to Brothers Afterward dot com to find all the places it's available. It's available on Amazon, it's available at iTunes, it's available Microsoft and YouTube. There's DVDs on the shelves of Walmart and also available on Amazon. So the other thing you can do at Brothersafterwar dot com is if you'd like to participate in a seminar when it comes to your town, shoot us an email info at Brothers Afterwar dot com. Someone on my team will look at all those sometimes it's even me myself, and we respond to that and we will be bringing the seminar around America over the next twelve months, and when it comes to your town, we'd love to have you as our guest.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. You have had an awesome interview with Gary Sonise and Jake Rodmacher who went after Brothers after War. Brothers at War the Brothers at War dot com website. Go check that out. If you're a veteran that's struggling, reach out to me. If you need to say Hi, what's up. I'll say hi back because I also have people look at my emails maybe me too. Just to put it out there. And thank you for letting me play on the whole gump thing there, Lieutenant Dan. And if you ever need someone to hit the cow bell for you, you know, in some blue oyster cold you just let me know. Bro. I will show up and I will come and hit that thing. No problem, Okay, you got it. Thanksving Well, thank you for being on SOFTWAREP Radio, and thank you Jake, Thank you Gary, and on behalf of myself Brandon Webb Matthew who helped arrange all of this behind the scenes, and all the families of the lost who didn't get to see their loved one come home. I hope that this film hits you in the fields and that it makes you think about them and all of the fun memories that they left behind for you, because that's what we have at the end of the day, is the memory and the real at the funeral of all the pictures. I don't care about your money, your gold, I just want to see you smiling in those photos. So you guys keep it up. And again, this is rad to be kind of somebody today. Peace.
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Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having us today.
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Speaker 2: Wow where do I start? Okay, Well, first of all, Lieutenant Dan, may I call you Lieutenant Dan for a moment. Yes, when we first start talking, You're like, are you wear of that bad Dana? Like Lieutenant Dan? And I was like, I guess I am. Huh A little bit of love right there. But I can also cross over. You got magic legs, Lieutenant Dan through the desert. Yes, I love it. I'm tired. I think I'm done now. You know, Gary, I've been growing this on my face for a long time and I didn't know why, And today I think I finally met that moment. So thank you for being on Software Up Radio with us today, and Jake over to you. Let's just say that I'm a big fan of your work. Okay, I'm a fan. I find you to be emotionally charging to me in my brain with what you've brought to my senses with your family. I mean, if you ever my listener out there, if you ever saw Saving Private Ryan where they go and collect all their brothers who had passed away's certificates and then they went Saved Ryan, it's kind of like that to me. You gave up everything to embed in like five, to go to Mosul and all these different places in Iraq with your brothers who weren't in the military, who was like lieutenant or captain private or Private first class at the time. Holy cow, bro, tell me about it.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Isaac and Joe came back from Fallujah where they were with the eighty second Airborne, and they told me the truth wasn't coming home from Iraq.
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Speaker 3: So I took all the money ever made.
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Speaker 4: As an actor, I got permission from the military, went back to my hometown in Decater, Illinois, raised a bunch of money, and went to Iraq to join Isaac on his third deployment there.
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Speaker 3: And what I learned changed my life forever.
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Speaker 4: You know, going out with those guys going out with the Lrist guys out of the Syrian border, also coming back a second time embedded in the marine advisors in the Iraqi Army, and the snipers and National Guard infantry.
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Speaker 3: And even more than the missions, it was.
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Speaker 4: The men and women that I met and their hearts touched me, and but I learned from them and who they really are and how this experience was sort of transforming them. I wanted to capture all that in Brothers at War and finished that film through a former marine, Mike Broderick, introduced me to Gary Sinise, and he saw the film a couple of days before Thanksgiving, and I don't want to speak for him too much, but he kind of fell in love with the film and started telling me what to do, and so we made an executive producer and that was in two thousand and seven, and ever since our past sort acrossed, you know, he's been giving me advice, kind of guiding me, and I've been kind of continued, I mean to go deeper and deeper into the experience of our veterans and their families. The film became a workshop, and then the workshops have been done for about fifty thousand people over the last fifteen years, and in around twenty fifteen sixteen, we started talking and I really wanted to go revisit a lot of these folks that I met in Iraq, and Gary had strong feelings about that. They were very positive, and so together we sort of came up with this concept. And then with the blessing of the Gary Snede Foundation, I was able to go across the world and reconnect with all these guys for the new film Brothers After War.
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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed that there was a budget, you know, that you were getting to go to travel and see all these different people that wanted to hug you, not shake your hand because they're brothers. I like that. I like when they said like, hey, we're brothers, we hug right.
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Speaker 5: Gary, of course, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, And so you got into this, I mean, Lieutenant Dan really propelled you into the military veteran's life of you supporting the US. So in my opinion, you know, watching it in the nineties, seeing you portray such a every one of my family gump have died in a war. You know, I should be on that battlefield that actually came through in the film. Someone said I should have been like Lieutenant Dan, I shouldn't be here talking right now.
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Speaker 5: That's right, look that you know.
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Speaker 6: Playing the character was certainly something that was very positive in many ways. I mean, first of all, as an actor, I hadn't done that many films before Forrest Gump. And then when you're in you know, a film like that, which is you know, the most you know, the biggest film of the year and all of that, it can have a positive effect on the career, which it did, so it changed a lot of things on that side.
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Speaker 5: But it also.
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Speaker 6: Introduced me to the Disabled American Veterans Organization, where I started supporting them right after the movie came out and have continued to support their efforts over these many years. And then so many of the things that happened after September eleventh just kind of snowballed into the creation of a foundation.
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Speaker 5: When I met Jake, I didn't have a foundation. I was just.
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Speaker 6: I was getting involved with a lot of other military nonprofits and trying to support them in various ways to help our service members and their families out. So I would get involved in these different efforts, and I was going out for the USO, and I was playing concerts with the band, I was going to the hospitals doing all this this kind of thing and really engaging with a lot of people that were just there. They were living the military life, right. And then along and I and I as a as a public figure, I was trying to use the public platform that I had to explain a bit to our fellow citizens about military life and what folks were going through and what our families were going through during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. And then, as Jake said, a buddy of ours, a mutual buddy, Michael Broderick, he had seen Jake's movie and he thought that Jake and I should meet and that I should see the movie, which which Jake and his producing partner Norman Powell showed me the movie. I arranged for them to come over to the studio where I was shooting CSI, New York. We had a little screen over there and they showed me the movie and it, you know, Brothers at War just spoke so clearly to the military experience that what military life was going off to war coming home, kids don't recognize your spout, you know, getting I mean all these things. It really was speaking to a lot of the things that I was trying to kind of, you know, make the public aware of that our military was going through during a very very difficult time. So, as Jake said, I came on board as executive producer to help him get the movie out there. I remember I sponsored, Remember I sponsored a screening Jake. I think it was at Sony, and we invited just a ton of our friends, you know, and lots of great people. One of those friends of mine was the singer songwriter John Androsik, who has the band Five for Fighting, and John came to that screening at Sony and John offered to write a song for the movie, which he ended up doing with Jake. A lot of great things came out of it, including the many workshops that Jake started doing on military bases all over the country. Just we could see that the movie was really because we opened it in military communities around the country, and you know, like Fayetteville and Columbus, Georgia, places where a lot big military presence but also a lot of veterans, and the movie did well and we could see that it was kind of you know, people wanted to talk about their own personal experiences after viewing the movie, and so Jake started doing these workshops with them on military bases, and one thing led to another, and then there was just, you know, hundreds of workshops down the road. And at one point, as Jake mentioned, you know, after several years of him doing workshops, and we started funding those at the Gary Sneze Foundation. And then Jake and I started talking about, you know, the folks that were in the first movie. You see them in the military, you see them overseas in Iraq fighting a war, dealing with the war, and we started to discuss, well, what where are all those folks, what are they doing now? Jake had stayed in touch with a few of them, but there were others that I think you had lost touch with or or just hadn't talked to in several years. And so we thought, let's let's revisit those folks, see where they're at. How many of them are still in the military, and how many are not in the military. And if they aren't in the military, what has that transition been like for them? What was their experience while serving and getting out of the military. And that's where the concept for Brothers after War came from. And we were fortunate because Jake had made a movie that had all these all these folks in it, right, and you see them in the back, You see them coming home from war and dealing with their families. You see all that while they're still serving. And now we can look back, use all that footage and reflect on that footage while we're talking to them about their transition out of the service. Most of them are out of the service that we're in the in the first film, and I just think it's a It's a beautiful, beautiful film that really shows some of the some of the challenges of getting out of the out of the service after going off to the war. But also the best part about it is that veterans are sharing their stories very very publicly for a camera that and they know it's going to go on the screen, and they're very open about sharing their stories. And for so many of our veterans, what they face is that they don't know who to share their story with. They don't want to share their story, they contain and sometimes it's very difficult and that can be problematic, and we want to show them with this film that sharing the story can be very very helpful and very positive for others. And that's what Jake did so beautifully drawing things out of each one of the service members that we that we see in the film and asking them what's it been like.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Jake will tell you what his brother said right there.
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Speaker 6: On camera, and he never knew anything about that, and so they really opened up. And that was the beautiful thing about Brothers after War.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really emotional. I do so many interviews with veterans who have written books, pursuing acting as a career, pursuing other things to try to get a job in the civilian sector. You know, I always ask him how old were you when you enlisted, how long did you serve, and now what are you doing today? You know, and your movie really kind of compartmentalizes all of that. So the both of them. I'm pretty spoiled because I got to watch the first one and I got to watch your second one, which is out on all platforms right now, right So when I looked it up on my Xbox, I was like, you know, Brothers after War, and then it brought me to my YouTube and I was like, okay, click on YouTube, and I started watching it on YouTube and then it's like, oh, by the way, it's available on Prime and all these other mediums, and I with my wife, I was like, well, let's go watch it on Prime. So we clicked on that watched the whole thing. She looked at me, like, really, you're going to interview Jake and Gary about what we're just watching. And I'm like, yeah, you know. And then we watched the second one and we had to kind of stop almost towards the end where Sergeant first Class Sammy was being talked about, because it's emotional, and it's not that it was anything hard to watch, it's just that I paused it and I just looked at her and we just said, you know, it's so humbling to see everything after the war. You know, I got guys that were completely healthy when they got inspected to go in the military, when they bent over and shown their brown round, they had no problems at all. The docs like, you're good to go. Then they get home and they still bend over. The brown round is probably right. But up in here there's some things going on and they're not talking about it. And when there's a soldier that steps up in one of your workshops and he starts to, you know, humbly cry about his service in five and he's never been the same. You know, there's a lot of veterans out there that just hold that inside. And you know, suicide is a big thing that attacks our veterans and people alike when they hold on to so much inside themselves. And then when you have everybody to write it out and journal it and just like kind of document it themselves like you did, it's like a prescription of healthiness that you're giving them, like inspiring them to do so well.
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Speaker 4: I think that was a big greason and why we took on the film. You know that that workshop was sponsored by the Gary Sneeze Foundation. That was twenty nineteen. There's about a thousand soldiers coming back from the Middle East. Their families are invited to be participated, and that's typical of what we experience in a workshop is holding space for vets, letting them kind of unpack experience, and in the course of communicating and journaling they find some healing in that moment. And then in the workshop we share other things they can do after the workshop.
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Speaker 3: And we're really teaching them how to you.
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Speaker 4: Know, walk through and work through some of these experience overseas or experiences even that happening for the military. You know, trauma is trauma, but you can process it, and post traumatic stress can.
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Speaker 3: Become post traumatic growth.
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Speaker 4: And Gary and I want guys not just survive, We want them to thrive. And so what's special about the film is you see in that moment, I've been in war, I've been in combat.
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Speaker 3: I've interviewed my brothers.
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Speaker 4: I've been there when they're leaving and when they're coming home.
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Speaker 3: I've asked the questions. I've been there when people are hurt.
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Speaker 4: But I've also spent was that about eight years helping and learning and understanding the veteran experience, understanding and coming home and experience. And for me, I think what's special about the film is that guy then gets sent off thanks to Gary and the foundation.
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Speaker 3: Into the world.
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Speaker 4: And one thing that Gary said to me, which is unique, I want to know how they're doing and what they need. So he sent me off as kind of an insider, a bit of an expert at this point, to go and go even further into those experiences. And as Gary suggested, these veterans were incredibly emotionally courageous and generous with their stories. And it was for two reasons one, it was it was a way to unpack for themselves and make sense of it.
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Speaker 3: But it was also because they knew the film was going to be seen by other veterans. And my brother Joe.
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Speaker 4: You know who is the most art and supporter in my family, the guy who's a corporal.
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Speaker 3: Busting my chops.
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Speaker 4: He's still busting my chops as a master's sergeant and his mess sergeant. Yeah, everybody gets to laugh at my expense thanks to Joe.
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Speaker 3: But you know, about a third of the.
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Speaker 4: Way through the film, Joe confesses to me that he was a half pound of pressure away from taking.
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Speaker 3: His own life. And it's the first time he's ever said it. And I think because he says in the movie.
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Speaker 4: If it will help one other soldier, that's why I'm telling you this, and I have seen I don't know if it's because he's now a former special operator, he's deployed nine times.
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Speaker 3: Jeez, that.
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Speaker 4: He's like given permission to almost a generation of warriors now.
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Speaker 3: To open up and talk about their own experiences.
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Speaker 4: When you look at the statistics, like USC did a study, thirty percent at risk for suicide.
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Speaker 3: So this is something we all just have to talk about it's actually not that big a deal.
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Speaker 4: It runs through the tribe, and by not talking about it, we're creating his face score vets can't open up and can't.
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Speaker 3: Share about it.
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Speaker 4: Complacency, Yeah, it's complacency or just you know, there's a misinterpretation. It's like you don't want to shove that thing in the filing cabinet and put it away. You actually want to open up and talk about it and feeling it as I heal from it. And it's not a terrible.
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Speaker 5: Stigma too, you know.
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Speaker 6: And that's what you have to break down because they're they're trained, they're they're not trained to be vulnerable, you know, they're trained to be strong and ass kickers, you know, and being vulnerable and exposing some of the vulnerabilities within themselves. It just doesn't come natural at all, and so you know, when you're when you know that that's part of part of the problem is we don't we don't train people to deal with the aftermath of going to war, you know, and how to deal with it. But there are multiple services out there. There's no shortage of services really, I mean you you know, the VA can only do so much right and has whatever, But there are multiple programs out there and services that are available to our veterans.
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Speaker 5: I mean, our stuff of the Gary Snes.
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Speaker 6: Foundation is just one little bit of what's available to veterans out there in terms of helping them, you know, to strengthen this inner.
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Speaker 5: Life that they're dealing with.
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Speaker 6: We see the outer life that you know, all of that, but there's an inner life that really can can be destructive and it can also be very you know, very strengthening. You know, if you're if you're healthy in here, you're going to be you know, you're going to be okay.
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Speaker 5: And but they they need help with that, you know.
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Speaker 6: So what we do with Brothers after War and the workshops and some of the other programs that we're involved with that the Gary Sense Foundation is just to try to provide some helpful tools, guidance, helpful guidance that will keep them off the ledge. You know, we don't want that, We don't want them to contain things. Telling their stories is very very important in healing. Jake's seen it a million times, you know, somebody said, oh, you know, I was thinking about going out here and taking my gun or whatever, and then I you know, saw the movie or you know, something told me I shouldn't do that.
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Speaker 5: I've had that happen with me at concerts.
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Speaker 6: You know, people write me letters after concerts, and after I talked at the concerts to the service members, and I got one thing from one guy who said, I saw your poster. I was on my way to the desert.
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Speaker 5: I was going to do this, saw your poster and I thought I.
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Speaker 6: Should go over and see the show before I go out to the desert. And your message hit me, and I didn't go. And you know, us being proactive is an important part of mental wellness because so often, right, how many times have you heard somebody took their own life or something like that, and you have their spouse, their best buddies, everybody.
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Speaker 5: Say I had no idea, right, there were no signs.
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Speaker 6: I didn't see any signs at all, no signs whatsoever.
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Speaker 5: And quite often there aren't because that inner life, right is.
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Speaker 6: Just so protected and so so locked in that they don't really share, you know. So the proaction of reaching out, you know, I've done multiple PSAs for suicide prevention and whatever, just the multiple ways that we can get out there and let people know that, hey, you're not by yourself. Nope, there's a lot of people out there that care about you.
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Speaker 2: We respect you.
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Speaker 6: We want you to know these services are available to you, and we want you to know that you're.
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Speaker 5: You've got a grateful nation out there.
00:24:04
Speaker 6: We don't want you doing something that you know your family will be hurting.
00:24:09
Speaker 5: You know if you do it.
00:24:10
Speaker 2: Friends.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so the more we can be proactive out there, the better.
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Speaker 5: And that's what that's what the workshops do. They're proactive.
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Speaker 6: You know, you don't you know, Jake doesn't know how many people are sitting in the audience who.
00:24:21
Speaker 5: Are going through tough stuff.
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Speaker 6: But if he wasn't there doing the workshops and getting people to talk about things, maybe something bad would happen. So we're trying to be proactive in what we're doing with active duty with brothers at war and transitioning veterans with brothers after war.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's commendable. I love it. I love the message. You know. I've had people reach out to me late at night with demons, you know, they hit me up through the Instagram and I'm like, my wife's like, who are you talking to I'm like, I'm not sure. I think I know them. I don't know if I know them, but right now I'm gonna act like I am there for them. And you know, you don't know if you're walking that person off that ledge or not. And I just was always taught to, like, you know, help your neighbor out, My mom and dad, good people kind of attitude. And so that's the same thing. You know, all my veterans, all my people that get on the show, everybody that listens to this, you know, they all have a value and a worth and they've we've all gone through trauma. And even if you like even Jake, Jake, you went to war, right, I consider that a veteran, you know, and that you saw things, you deal with demons. You know you're editing it. You're editing consistently. Do I want to put this in? Do I not want this in? Do I need to show this? Probably need to show this. And that might have blood involved things like that. I mean, you know, you talking to your brother and him telling you that maybe one of his first wife or second wife whatnot took him off that ledge, stopped him from you know, that extra half pound that he was just right there. Bros. A sniper instructor knows the trigger knows the sensitivity against his fingertip understands every single aspect of what he's about to do clearly with a like. So, I'm a big believer in freedom of choice. I can't stop everything, but I can only tell somebody that you're loved, And if you want to feel love, just hit me up and I'm here to respond back to you. And you know, I really love how your brother opened up about that and the vulnerability that these soldiers are giving themselves or what am I trying to say. I think that they're just opening up and just willing to shed a tear about a story. And when you see them starting to write at your workshops and they're just writing out something and they're just going and going and going and going. They all made them go with to Fallujah together or Mosul or Afghanistan, but each one of them has a different thread that wove all that together.
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Speaker 4: Well one hundred percent right, And like Gary said, you know, we want to proactively get in front of people. You know, another thing that's really special, frankly, and I was passionate about it, was I've been doing workshops for years. We're going to do workshops well into the future. Gary Sneaks Foundation sponsoring forty of them around the country for the next year.
00:27:22
Speaker 3: We got a big calendar comping up.
00:27:25
Speaker 4: But I love that you can go on your Xbox and find the film. And we also released in movie theaters and we wanted to do create community with that, and a lot of that's came and saw it together. But it's really nice that people can see it in their own living room because we know that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of veterans and civilians who want to know more about our veterans who want to have a better understanding already have some empathy, but maybe want a deeper, richer understanding of that experience so they can you know, we've had people already reach out and say, I've been married for twenty nine years. I saw the film. It helped me understand my husband better. Now imagine that. I mean, that's a beautiful thing about having the film available for people to watch in their own living rooms and to experience and to reflect and contemplate on whether it's their own experience, or their neighbor's experience, or their husband's experience.
00:28:20
Speaker 3: And we made the film because we want we know the.
00:28:23
Speaker 4: Movies make tough subjects easier to talk about, and we want people to talk about their experiences.
00:28:29
Speaker 3: And one last thing I want to say is you said something really important to the beginning of the interview.
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Speaker 4: The film is very approachable and manageable, and even though we get into some of these tougher topics, we also have a lot of humor and we present a very well rounded view of our veterans. So Derek, who's mourning the loss of his friend of Memorial Day, is also throwing me out of the side of an airplane because he's also an adrenaline junkie that looks like a Viking. And that's part of his story too, right, I know, And that goes.
00:29:02
Speaker 3: Throughout the entire film.
00:29:03
Speaker 4: And the film has a lot of solution and a lot of ways these veterans have navigated some of these difficulties that all veterans face to get to the next place, and has a.
00:29:13
Speaker 2: Lot of hope.
00:29:15
Speaker 4: And I just think that's an important thing to point out to your listeners and something that Gary and I were very passionate about in making this film. You know, he's got veterans in his own family. I obviously do my sister's actually actively serving. My nephew is still serving. You met him in the film, and we wanted to present these people that we know holistically, so you get to see them and see what great people.
00:29:40
Speaker 2: They are, you know. To piggyback on the captain's daughter in the documentary when she shed her tears after she's like, my daddy went six times, deployed six times, and she's having nightmares about him not coming home from the desert. You know, I just thought about my dad being a Green Beret and I was just a young ten or eleven year old while Mom watched me at home. Mom was also dad at home and took me to baseball practice. Dad was deployed for six to nine months at a time and then would come home. You know, total hot deployments, you know, these special operation lifestyles. And so your brother eighty second Airborne, you know, officer lieutenant colonel, did he retire as a lieutenant colonel?
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Speaker 3: He retired as a lieutenant colonel.
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Speaker 2: Dude, that's a boss, bro, you know. And to see his eyes think about his kids when he's gone for six months, gone for ten months, got to go again, got to go again, And made me think about my own dad thinking those same things. Probably I never asked my dad that before he passed, like, hey, you know, what was it like to have to leave us kids behind? You know, because no one ever made a big deal like Mom always had it under control. That's why she hangs with him on the mantle because she's just as special operations as he was. You know. Shout out to the moms and everybody that helps and the supporting team at home, right. And I was talking to my wife about that. I said, you know, some people can't handle their husbands being gone for six weeks. Imagine if they were deployed. But then we said, well they would be in the world of the military and there would be a support group, hopefully around those other families that needed that support.
00:31:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes the support is there. I have to tell you that. I'm sure you dad felt that way.
00:31:25
Speaker 4: I've done these workshops for so long that that moment from the first film when Isaac comes home and doesn't recognize you know, his daughter doesn't recognize him, and you see that look of pain on his face and you see him crying. You know, fifteen years later, when I come back to that moment, saying it takes six months to be dad again. I have every workshop impact in your family. There's a tough guy or too that says that, who's the moment I relate to? And those moments are it's so important, you know, we want someone like yourself to have a conversation with their parents or the parent.
00:32:00
Speaker 3: To open up and say, is that how you feel?
00:32:03
Speaker 4: My brother didn't know that his daughter was having nightmares until I did that interview, you know, and she's not the only child that's going through that. So I think the real power of the film is that it can open up insight and conversation and give us insight into those moments. And then the final thought is just I wanted the American people to know that that's the average sacrifice of the average father that deploys overseas. Three million of our service members went overseas for twenty years, and all of them that were fathers had that experience, had that moment, that same pain.
00:32:43
Speaker 3: In their chest.
00:32:45
Speaker 4: And that's a sacrifice and a gift that gave to the rest of us. And I feel and I'm sure Gary, I know Gary agrees with me on this. This is why we're so passionate about doing whatever we can to kind of welcome them home and encourage our fellow citizens to look out for ways they can help.
00:33:03
Speaker 3: Gary says, we can never do enough, but we can always do a little bit more, and that.
00:33:10
Speaker 4: I want to share with the American public, like this is the experience that they're having, and this is what they're doing for all of us.
00:33:20
Speaker 2: I felt it a hundred percent. Yeah, you know, I didn't. I wanted to come prepare to this with you and Gary to say that I really was into your footage and watching it and trying to understand your editing, you know, from my perspective, and I mean we really watched them back to back. We're so blessed to have this kind of media out there where I can see something from thirteen years ago or fifteen years ago that you filmed, and now I can say, wait, he was just a private first class. Now he's a massive sargeant, sniper instructor Special Operations, freaking out on his brother in the kitchen over Syria. What's up, bro? What's up?
00:34:01
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's good that I have an edgy filmmaker and theater guy himself is my executive producer.
00:34:08
Speaker 3: So he was okay, with a little conflict in the kitchen.
00:34:12
Speaker 2: You know, you did stir some conflict up, bro, I went to my room when she got mad.
00:34:20
Speaker 5: That's the name of that scene, conflict in the kitchen.
00:34:23
Speaker 3: It should be well.
00:34:26
Speaker 4: I've had so many military spouses tell me that was their favorite scene in the entire film, and I've had a lot of people tell me, oh, when that happened, I knew this film was real.
00:34:35
Speaker 3: You guys weren't holding anything back, and.
00:34:38
Speaker 2: I just thought, brothers.
00:34:40
Speaker 3: It is brothers, you know.
00:34:42
Speaker 4: But in a deeper sense, I think there's value in watching a guy who banged around our act for three months debating rustling having a conversation with his brothers deployed nine times about these things that affect us all And while it's not the main focus of the film, I didn't want to suppress the truth of these veterans and how they feel about Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, because some of them are having some pretty strong feelings about all that, and I felt like we as a nation owe it to them to reflect back on some of the decisions that were made, and those who fail to look at history are doomed to repeat it.
00:35:27
Speaker 3: So as you see, I don't feel like there's a heavy hand.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: We're not telling how you should think or feel or anything like that, but we do allow Chief Turner and Joe and Chief Turner deployed seven times, Chief Intel Officer. We allow these guys to open up on some of these conversations, some of these topics so that you maybe can have that conversation in your own living room.
00:35:51
Speaker 6: And Jake, we have another interview we got to go to. But where can people download the movie? And why don't you wy don't you fill everybody in? We we of course want all your listeners to take a look at the movie. It's now available and it'll be out there for a while, you know, I mean it'll be living online for quite a while. So but we want people to go to it. We want people to see it, and we want people to tell their friends about it, especially if you're struggling, you know, take a look at it.
00:36:22
Speaker 5: There are services available.
00:36:24
Speaker 6: You can certainly go to the Garrisonese Foundation if you feel like you got a buddy who's in need of some help or some services. Also, you can just see, you know, the success that people are having.
00:36:36
Speaker 5: You know, there's there's a.
00:36:38
Speaker 6: Successful story here in Brothers After War with people moving on and that's that's the main thing at the end of the movie is we want people moving on and doing positive things and great things with their lives post military service. Where can we see the movie, Jake.
00:36:55
Speaker 4: Well, you can go to Brothers Afterward dot com to find all the places it's available. It's available on Amazon, it's available at iTunes, it's available Microsoft and YouTube. There's DVDs on the shelves of Walmart and also available on Amazon. So the other thing you can do at Brothersafterwar dot com is if you'd like to participate in a seminar when it comes to your town, shoot us an email info at Brothers Afterwar dot com. Someone on my team will look at all those sometimes it's even me myself, and we respond to that and we will be bringing the seminar around America over the next twelve months, and when it comes to your town, we'd love to have you as our guest.
00:37:39
Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. You have had an awesome interview with Gary Sonise and Jake Rodmacher who went after Brothers after War. Brothers at War the Brothers at War dot com website. Go check that out. If you're a veteran that's struggling, reach out to me. If you need to say Hi, what's up. I'll say hi back because I also have people look at my emails maybe me too. Just to put it out there. And thank you for letting me play on the whole gump thing there, Lieutenant Dan. And if you ever need someone to hit the cow bell for you, you know, in some blue oyster cold you just let me know. Bro. I will show up and I will come and hit that thing. No problem, Okay, you got it. Thanksving Well, thank you for being on SOFTWAREP Radio, and thank you Jake, Thank you Gary, and on behalf of myself Brandon Webb Matthew who helped arrange all of this behind the scenes, and all the families of the lost who didn't get to see their loved one come home. I hope that this film hits you in the fields and that it makes you think about them and all of the fun memories that they left behind for you, because that's what we have at the end of the day, is the memory and the real at the funeral of all the pictures. I don't care about your money, your gold, I just want to see you smiling in those photos. So you guys keep it up. And again, this is rad to be kind of somebody today. Peace.
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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self revelationa mm hmm
