S02 EP5: Michael Sheen

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Hello, I'm Josh Whitacombe.
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And I'm Rob Beckett.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell. The show in which Rob
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and I discuss what it's like to be a parent
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during lockdown, which I would say can be a little tricky.
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Yeah!
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Yeah!
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So, in an effort to make some kind of sense
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of the current situation... And to.
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Make me feel better about my increasingly terrible parenting skills.
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Each episode we'll be chatting to a famous parent about
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how well they're coping.
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Or hopefully not.
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And we will be hearing from you, the listener, with
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your tales of lockdown parenting woe.
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Because let's be honest, none of us know what we're doing.
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Hello and welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell with.
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Well, Rob, I'll stop you there because we've got a
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very special one.
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Oh.
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Yeah, a very special intro.
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It's not. It's not, is it?
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It's only... Well, let's see.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting with Josh Weathercombe and Robert Spicke.
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Au revoir.
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There we go.
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Oh, my God. I think I'm gay now.
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It's unbelievable, isn't it? The timber of the voice cuts
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through you like a kind of knife.
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So that's the guy that works at your daughter's nursery?
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No, that's a two-year-old. He's called....
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They're very full with the French.
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Yeah, that is Saran, who works at my daughter's nursery,
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who there's a lot of excitement about on the Instagram.
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Yes.
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Can I hear him again, please, properly? Can I give
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him his full glory?
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Yeah, of course.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting with Joshua Decombe and Robert Piquet.
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Au revoir.
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The aura of our eyes. I mean, is French just
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a sexy accent generally or is that a sexy French?
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There is no way he is not putting a bit
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of extra French on that.
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No, he knows what he's doing.
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That can't be how he talks day to day. Also,
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it's too much. Imagine that.
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You can't be doing that in a nursery, mate.
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Yeah, exactly. Would you like a balloon animal? A dog
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or a cat? Too much. Was that good? Was that
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a good French impression?
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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Welcome to Lockdown Parenting Hell with Joshua DeCamp and Robert Beckett.
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Is that sexy?
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Yeah, it was quite sexy. I liked it. I think
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it's good to get the message off him. I imagine
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it'll fly on the social media.
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Oh, yeah.
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Can you hear my daughter kicking off, Rob?
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Oh, we're doing this at about 8pm now.
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Oh, can you hear that?
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Yeah. So is that the floor below you?
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No, two.
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Two below?
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No, two above? Well, one and a half. One and
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a half, actually.
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Oh, God!
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Yeah.
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Oh, dear.
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How's it been? Is this indicative of the week?
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Well, this is because she's had a one and a
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half hour sleep this afternoon.
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Oh, no.
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She's not even napping anymore. So, absolute carnage. Oh, God,
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that doesn't sound good, does it, Rob? Oh, my word.
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What time did she go for a nap?
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Well.
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We'll work it back. I think it's a long story.
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So last night, well, it's a long story just how
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quite how bad my Monday was. What day are we
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on now? We're recording on Tuesday.
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Yes.
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So I'll take you through the Monday. Wake up. So
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I don't know what was bad about that, but it
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was bad.
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Oh, your phone's going.
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Yeah, that's Rose.
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Yeah.
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What she said?
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She's just... Luckily, it's on a group. It's not a
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direct text.
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Oh, I was going to say, because that is something
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bad must be happening. Because this is technically work for you.
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It's technically work, Rob.
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You were in the process of doing some of bedtime.
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That's why we started later, because you said she should
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be down by now, by then. So if she directly
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texts you, say, I need your help now, I think
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that's a bit harsh. But on a group, what she
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said to the group?
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Well, on the group, someone else has put that they're
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having a bad bedtime. Rose has put, God, ours are awful.
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I knew it would be bad because of the nap.
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I'm currently being screamed at from the top of the stairs. Also,
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once they're potty trained, they make you take them for
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imaginary wheeze and poos a million times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we're going through a real delaying tactic situation here, Rob. Oh,
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she's back.
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We have that of the three-year-old. Our three-year-old's doing that
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at the moment of just constantly delaying it. The pom-pom
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jar at Destiny did help because we threatened pom-poms. Yep,
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she is crying. So, talking through Monday, it was bad morning.
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I mean, this is a stressful way to record a podcast, Rob,
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but I suppose if there's any podcast in the UK
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you're going to record in this situation. This is the one.
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It feels like, you know, when like ITV have like
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a guy on the ground in a war zone and
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you've just got like a press. It feels like this
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microphone just got like podcasting in live podcasting in action.
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Oh, my God. This is so stressful. But I just
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have to plow on, which feels... You feel bad. What
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can I do, Rob? What can I do?
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I wouldn't feel bad. I think you've probably got the
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best part of this.
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That's why I feel bad.
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Yeah, but don't feel bad.
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Would you not be feeling slightly guilt? I should be
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enjoying this moment.
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Yeah, because you know at some point Rose will just
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be somewhere else doing something and you'll be dealing with it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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Do you know what I mean? It's like you can't
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spend any positive time feeling guilt. Yeah. You know what
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I mean? You've got to take the positivity when you can.
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And I'm sure if this is a horrendous bedtime, you'll
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be the one getting up in the night.
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Yes. Not wrong.
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Not wrong. It's a trade-off.
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Well, no, we'd both be getting up in the night, actually.
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We will both. We'll come to that, right?
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Why do you both get up?
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Well, last night. Well, we'll come to that, Rob.
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Okay, sorry.
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Sorry.
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You actually do sound stressed because you're getting a little
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bit short with me. Oh, no, no, no.
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It's because I'm only half listening. It's bad, isn't it?
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Go on, tell us what happened.
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So I woke up yesterday morning, exercise, first thing.
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That's good.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to do that every morning, right?
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And then it was just one of those days where
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you know when you're trying to get stuff done and
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you just keep failing. Yeah. So I then realised I
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had to do this health test thing for life insurance.
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So you do it via Zoom and they send you
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the things. You have to take your own blood.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so you have to prick your finger. I didn't
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realise you needed to be hydrated for it. Basically, I
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just didn't, my blood just wasn't coming. I had to
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prick three separate fingers, Rob.
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Oh, because you got up and done exercise and not
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drunk much?
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Yeah, I hadn't drunk enough. I look like I've got stigmata, right?
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Oh my God, is that Lance Armstrong just getting another,
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you know, leader of the good stuff out?
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I couldn't even get five, I just needed five mils.
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Couldn't get five mils out of my body. So I
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sat there for 45 minutes making polite conversation with this woman.
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Oh, that is so awkward.
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Yeah, I was meant to take half an hour, but
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obviously the whole thing took an hour once I'd failed
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to produce blood. It was like stage fright. It was awful, right?
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So then I'm behind already, but I'll just go down,
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eventually get upstairs at about half 11. I sit down
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and literally at that moment, Rose texts me and she's like,
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have you got that? There's a bit of broken glass
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that was gaffer taped to some shelving.
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Right?
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Because I'm worried the cleaner will throw it away. And
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we tidied this room the day before.
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Why do you want the broken glass? To fix it?
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Fix it.
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Okay, yeah, yeah.
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And I thought I threw that away literally yesterday when
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I was tidying that room.
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Oh.
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Absolute disaster, right?
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Yeah, because we know Rose loves a knick-knack.
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Yeah.
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And some people's rubbish would be one of Rose's knick-knacks.
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I'm like, I look for it, realise I've thrown it away.
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I've literally just sat down to do work. Next thing
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I know, I'm going through the bin bags.
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When was the last time you went through a bin bag?
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I didn't think, you know, it's the kind of thing
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that would happen in a movie if you're a journalist
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or something. But I've never actually done it, I don't think.
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No, I don't think I've ever gone through a bin bag.
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Normally it's for, like, cash or jewellery or stuff like that.
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Not for broken glass.
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So we go through the recycling one first.
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Obviously.
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You're a good guy. You recycle. Of course, which is
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much nicer, the recycling one, to go through. So that's
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why I went through it first in the hope it'd
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be in there. But who'd put gaffer tape in the recycling?
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Oh, I don't know. A man that couldn't produce blood
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and is now not working and scampering around the garden.
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Anyway, tip out the recycling. Obviously, my daughter's watching. Obviously,
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there's some basically rushed-off drawings that she's done.
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LAUGHTER The old shit scribbles that you have to pretend
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to like.
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Yeah, but we've got 400 of them. So these ones
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have ended up in the recycling bin. Obviously, she spots them.
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Yeah, I want some.
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Wants them.
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Do you know what?
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Took it back and I thought she was going to.
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And you explained, you explained that, you know.
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Well, no, we didn't. We let her keep them, because
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you're not going to go, no, these are shit, they
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stay in the bin.
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How did she take it better than you thought she
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was going to, if she got them?
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Well, I thought she'd realised that we'd thrown them away,
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but she just was like, oh, there's some of my
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drawings in the bin, and we were like, oh, yeah,
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here you go.
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Oh, okay, okay, yeah.
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Yeah, she didn't put two and two together and see
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it as a review. So eventually... Then I have to
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go to the post office to send some... Basically... One
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of those days where everything disappears. You know when you're just.
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It's like you've had... That's a day of a pensioner.
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Yeah.
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You've had to do a blood test for life insurance.
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You're going through the bins and they're posting letters at
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the post office.
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Oh, mate.
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Some sort of evacuee. Can't you just get them to
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get it from your house or something?
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I had to go and post my blood.
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Oh, God, you've such a granddad job. LAUGHTER Toast your blood.
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I got life insurance, right? And then when they told
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me how much it was going to be, and I went,
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can you go and weigh yourself? I weighed myself. And
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they said, that weight and that height, they put another
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100 quid.
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Unbelievable.
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So cheap. so degrading. I'd rather them overcharge me at
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the start. Don't bang it on at the end. Oh,
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now we know your weight. That's an extra hundred quid.
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It's such a normal amount. I'd rather, okay, let's just
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say this. Don't charge the extra hundred. And then when
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I die, whatever you were going to give me, knock
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a hundred off. Anyway, so you're the post office. You've
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been through the bins.
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Old days are right off by the end of the day.
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You're late to Bridge Club. It's a nightmare. It's non-stop
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for you.
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Evening. I'm very stressed.
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You've not got any of your work done, is it?
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I haven't got any work done. Evening, go to bed,
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wake up at half midnight, like, because I'm stressed.
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Then I'm lying there thinking about tomorrow. It's going to
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be a write-off as well. This is unbelievable.
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Okay, yeah. So you're in a bit of bad form. Yeah,
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it's got in your head. Okay, I'm with you.
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Half two, my daughter wakes up as well because she's
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got block nose. She's up till four. First, and then
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we're like, what are we going to do? She's just awake.
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Yeah.
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We said, do you want to sleep in our bed?
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We've never, we've always offered that for three years. She's
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never taken it. She only fucking took it.
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Oh no.
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What have you, you've opened Pandora's box?
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We haven't. She didn't like it.
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Why is that? Did you keep pissing yourself in there?
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She didn't like the electric blanket. No, I'm joking.
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Okay, so you got me. You got me. I thought
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you had had one. It's a stiff neck thing to
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have an electric blanket. But she turned it down. You
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got her in the bed. She didn't like it.
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Well, we had two hours of rubbish sleep till about
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six or seven.
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Oh God. So no one slept all night, basically.
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No one slept all night, basically. So in the morning,
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obviously she's not well, we think. So like, obviously you
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don't go to the nursery today, which point she fucking
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perks up. Okay.
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So you've cancelled nursery. Yeah.
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We've said to her, no, we haven't cancelled it with nursery,
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but we've said to her, don't go to nursery today.
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We're not going to send you to nursery today. And
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I don't think you should backtrack on that and then go, sorry,
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we lied. See you later.
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Yeah, of course.
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But she's perked up when she's heard she's not going.
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She's literally pushing all the chairs into a line in
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the kitchen to make it into a train within 10
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minutes of us saying, no nursery today.
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You're expecting her cold up on the sofa with an iPad,
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watching films and her favourite teddies, doing nothing all day.
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Yeah, and what we've got is a fucking train in
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the kitchen. Anyway, then this afternoon, she falls asleep for
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an hour and a half on the sofa.
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Oh, okay, and now not going to bed.
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Now not going to bed. Also, she pissed herself on
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the sofa.
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What was this?
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When she was asleep, because obviously she normally, she's still
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at the stage of sleeping in a nappy. So there
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you go. But she does seem to quieten down now.
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Hopefully she's asleep or she's in your bed.
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Oh my God. I'm going to stay up here. Shall
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we do today's guest?
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I think we should. It's a great guest. I think
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we're going to enjoy it. We're going to enjoy this one.
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We have Michael Sheen, star of Frost Nixon, The Damn United.
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He's in Good Omens at the moment. Oh, he's there,
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isn't he?
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Yeah, he's a great guest. He's quite unique. He's got
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like a grown-up daughter who's like 20 and then like
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an 18-month-old. So it's quite interesting seeing it from those
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two very opposite ends. So yeah, it's a great episode.
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I hope you enjoy it and I hope you feel
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Better soon, Josh. More sleep.
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Thank you. Hello, Michael Sheen. How are you?
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I'm very well, thank you, Joshua. Hello, Robert. Oh, hello, Michael.
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This is very exciting to have you on. I've worked
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with you on the movie show, the panel show.
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Not in any actual proper acting jobs, though. Well, I mean,
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you say that, but I feel like we have. We
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have done Frost-Nixon together.
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Yes, we have. That's right. Some would say the better version.
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Some wouldn't agree with that. Also, we got quite sexy
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of each other, didn't we, that sort of went quite
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viral with your fans.
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They liked it, didn't they? Yeah, with the graduate and
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all that as well, yeah.
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You dressed up as the lady in that.
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As Mrs Robinson, yeah.
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It's quite something to be on the end of. It's funny,
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quite a few people have said that.
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Actually, Rob.
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The thing is... Hence this podcast.
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Yeah.
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The thing is, Michael, when you're on the panel show
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with you, sort of having a laugh, and it's just
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people joking around and talking about stuff, but then when
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you do the actual acting scenes, it's so intimidating when
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you see someone who's so good at what they do
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at an absurdly good level, and then you're just sitting
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there going, oh, no, it's Michael Sheens. Oh, God, he's
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doing acting at me, and I've got to say something back.
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That's the thing, isn't it? You're just chatting to me.
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But before you do a scene with you on that show,
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you'll just be chatting... I remember we were chatting about
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Lloyd Langford, who's someone we both know from Port Talbot.
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Was our old paper boy.
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Your old paper boy.
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That's right.
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And some spurious story. I can't remember. I was trying
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to pass off some spurious story he told about you.
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I can't remember what it was.
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Something like you were so good as an actor when
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you were 11 that they... had to cancel the play
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or something like that.
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I can't remember what it was. It was a riot.
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There was an actual riot in the school. The Paul
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Tolbert nativity riot, I remember that.
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Yeah, you remember this. Don't talk about it. Yeah, that's right.
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We're backstage, aren't we? Waiting before we sort of spin
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around to do the scene. And we're in some ridiculous costume.
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We're having a little chat. And then suddenly, see, that's
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the problem. The stage revolves and there they say action
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and I, you know, old habits kick in.
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You're a different animal, different breed when they say action.
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It's quite a transformation.
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You're like Daniel Day-Lewis. You had to stay in character
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the whole way through a film. Michael Sheen's not even
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in character during the word action.
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LAUGHTER Well, it's funny you say that because we mentioned
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Frost Nixon. Whenever I see bits of Frost Nixon, if
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it's on the telly or something, it still amazes me
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because it was me, Matthew McFadyen, who I don't know
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if you know Matthew, but he's a really funny guy.
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He makes me laugh so much. Oliver Platt and Sam Rockwell,
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you know, a whole bunch of people, Toby Jones and
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Rebecca Hall. And we all had such a laugh in
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the kind of frost camp on that film because the Nixon,
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the actor who played Nixon wanted to be in character
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the whole time. Well, I say that he wanted everyone
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to call him Mr. President all the time, which is
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a slight difference, but nevertheless, so they kept separate. So
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we were separate and we had to laugh so much.
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The beginning of almost every scene that involves the Frost
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Lord begins with people laughing. Everyone thinks that's acting. It's
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just us messing around in between takes and then we
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wouldn't hear Ron Howard say action. So the scene would
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begin with us laughing and then one of us going, fuck,
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we're on, we're doing it. So if you watch the film,
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you'll see loads of that. It makes me laugh so much.
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So yeah, none of us were in character even after action.
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I can't wait to watch it back now and try
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and spot it when you're just pissing yourselves and you're like, oh, no,
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it's not going to work.
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You know, famously, Clint Eastwood, when he directs films, apparently,
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and I've spoken to a couple of people who've been
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in films that he's directed, you don't know that he's
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actually started filming a lot of the time. So, you know,
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when you go down to rehearse the scene, you have
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what you call sides in your hand. So they're the
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script pages for that scene, you know, and they're just
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sort of smaller versions of it. And you have those
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in your hand and you're just sort of standing there
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blocking the scene out, talking about where you're going to
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stand and all that kind of stuff. And one of
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the actors that I worked with once who had just
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been in a Clint Eastwood film, he said... I was
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standing there and I was just sort of, you know,
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just saying the lines or whatever. And then I realized
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we were filming. Like Clint Eastwood just goes, you know,
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he doesn't say action. He just tells the cameraman to
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start filming or whatever. And he said, I still have
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my sides in my hand. So there's a scene in
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Hoover where the actors have their sides in their hand
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in the film. Yeah, apparently.
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That's how we start this podcast, Michael. We just ease in, mate.
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Are we in it?
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Are we doing it now? Are we in it?
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Oh, you're the Clint Eastwood of podcasts.
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Exactly, exactly.
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Michael, I'm loving these. It's like when we're nitpickers.com where
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they point out stuff that happened in films. It's like
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a podcast version of that now, all the different things.
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That stormtrooper's got a Casio digital watch on. Yeah, the
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words go, that traffic light system wasn't actually in LA
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in 1967. Oh, leave it out, mate.
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You should listen to, I watched a one, Sir Ellis James,
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who I'm familiar with, He is the voice of Channel
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5's movie blunders shows.
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LAUGHTER I'm very much enjoying the name drops here. We've
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gone from Clint Eastwood, not of a flat, to Lloyd
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Langford and Ellis James. We're moving in different circles.
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Ellis, it was on, so I put on a two-and-a-half-hour
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show of Christmas movie blunders.
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Wow.
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And to say they were slight is a fucking understatement.
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LAUGHTER Any blunder highlights for you, Josh? It was just
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like his coffee.
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You might see in this shot that his coffee is full,
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and then they cut to the other angle, and half
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the coffee's gone.
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And then Alice, like.
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Where's the coffee?
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I'll have to pretend he gives a shit.
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Have you ever come across those? I think they're Twitter sites.
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One is called Hold My Beer. Yeah. And the other
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one is like, I think it's called Dash Cam Twats
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or something like that. It's like terrible things happening, essentially.
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I mean, not too terrible. I mean, it's not, we're
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not talking snuff movies. I mean, it's just like, you know,
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but real proper stuff happening. I have lost hours and
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hours watching that stuff. I'll just watch one, I think.
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I'll just watch one. And then I go through hours
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and hours and hours of people, you know, driving off
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bridges or whatever. Have you ever seen that?
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Yeah.
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Like road rage where a car's like right next to
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another car. And then it's sort of like you get
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into a black hole of just weird YouTube searches. But
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it's good to know you're a big fan of Dashcam Twats.
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Dashcam Twats. That was the name of my first band
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as well. Michael Sheen and the Dashcam Twats.
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We should talk, Michael, about the reason you're here. So
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you are a parent. What was your parenting setup, Michael?
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I have a baby daughter, Lyra, who is coming up
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to 16 months old. And I have another daughter, Lily,
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who is almost 22 years, not months, 22 years. So,
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you know, there was a bit of a gap.
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Did they get on, Michael, or were they too close,
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too similar?
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Yeah, constantly bickering.
495
00:20:33.150 --> 00:20:36.970
Yeah. It's hard sharing toys. I just buy the same,
496
00:20:37.029 --> 00:20:39.210
both of them the same, and then they can't argue.
497
00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:43.759
So how's it going with the 16? Is it well-behaved, sleeping,
498
00:20:43.779 --> 00:20:44.640
16-month-old Lyra?
499
00:20:45.700 --> 00:20:50.619
Lyra is, oh, gosh. I mean, the extraordinary thing, obviously,
500
00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.940
is that for most of her life, we've been going
501
00:20:53.980 --> 00:20:56.329
through this whole pandemic and the.
502
00:20:56.309 --> 00:20:57.170
Lockdown and all that kind of stuff.
503
00:20:57.529 --> 00:20:59.150
So, I mean, she wasn't, you know, she's only a
504
00:20:59.170 --> 00:21:02.400
few months old when it kicked off. So it's been a,
505
00:21:02.390 --> 00:21:07.910
you know, overall, it's been a strange experience. On the
506
00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.779
one hand, it's been amazing because, you know, we've just,
507
00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:13.839
we haven't been able to focus on much else. It's
508
00:21:13.940 --> 00:21:17.140
just been us with her. You know, I remember when
509
00:21:17.299 --> 00:21:20.019
Lily was born, obviously, you know, I was working and
510
00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:22.680
going away and doing stuff. And I really, you know,
511
00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:24.920
I really missed that time with her.
512
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:25.119
Yeah.
513
00:21:26.190 --> 00:21:29.059
A lot of that time. But we've, you know, because
514
00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:33.259
of circumstances, we've been together the whole time. On the
515
00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:34.039
negative side.
516
00:21:35.619 --> 00:21:37.160
The same. Same answer.
517
00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:41.119
Well, it's not so much negative. I don't think it's negative,
518
00:21:41.140 --> 00:21:45.049
but it's very peculiar in so much as just now,
519
00:21:45.069 --> 00:21:48.650
a lady came to do our COVID test because myself
520
00:21:48.690 --> 00:21:50.109
and my partner, Anna, we have to have a COVID
521
00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:52.069
test before we... It's a long story, but I'm on
522
00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:55.099
my way to America to film. To be allowed into America,
523
00:21:55.339 --> 00:21:58.000
we have to quarantine for two weeks in an approved country.
524
00:21:58.470 --> 00:22:00.109
So we are at the moment in St.
525
00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:00.589
Lucia.
526
00:22:02.069 --> 00:22:04.009
I bet you couldn't believe it when that was on
527
00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:05.190
the approved list, Michael.
528
00:22:05.210 --> 00:22:10.049
Save your condolences, save your sympathy. And anyway, a lady
529
00:22:10.089 --> 00:22:13.170
just came to do our COVID test. Now, this lady,
530
00:22:13.650 --> 00:22:18.490
she was wearing a red top. And she had, she was,
531
00:22:18.789 --> 00:22:22.259
you know, a larger lady and she had a white
532
00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:24.460
mask on. And Lyra, all the way through it, just
533
00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:29.619
kept going, Santa, Santa. Oh, no. We all laughed about it.
534
00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:32.549
You know, we all took it in good humor. But,
535
00:22:32.569 --> 00:22:34.930
you know, I don't know how that lady felt about that.
536
00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:38.069
I had to keep going. She said, what is she saying?
537
00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:39.930
What is she saying? I said, I think it's the
538
00:22:39.990 --> 00:22:40.730
white mask.
539
00:22:40.809 --> 00:22:41.170
She thinks.
540
00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:44.849
She's thinking of Santa. No, say a different word.
541
00:22:44.869 --> 00:22:49.049
Say a different word. Michael, you must be able to improvise.
542
00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:51.930
What did you say? What did you say for Santa? Santa.
543
00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:55.150
She said aunt-a when she calls her auntie aunt-a because
544
00:22:55.170 --> 00:22:56.529
you mispronounced it once. Satan.
545
00:22:56.710 --> 00:23:02.069
She thinks you're Satan. She thinks you're evil. Auntie, yes,
546
00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:04.569
I should have said that. She's got an Auntie Sandra, and,
547
00:23:04.609 --> 00:23:07.650
you know, she can't say the words properly. Yeah, I
548
00:23:07.769 --> 00:23:08.990
should have said that.
549
00:23:09.029 --> 00:23:11.390
But you were right in the middle of the battlefield there.
550
00:23:11.730 --> 00:23:14.980
I panicked, Rob, I panicked. But that's the thing, I suppose,
551
00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.259
I was saying, is that what a weird time for
552
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:20.440
kids of their age, or of any age, to kind
553
00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:23.599
of grow up in. She's barely played with any other kids,
554
00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:24.039
you know.
555
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:24.579
She's like.
556
00:23:25.289 --> 00:23:28.430
And the adults she meets on the whole have all
557
00:23:28.470 --> 00:23:31.599
got these masks on and stuff. It's really a weird thing. Anyway,
558
00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:34.099
that's not at all what your question was. How's she sleeping?
559
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.700
She's sleeping....
560
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:38.269
All over the gaff.
561
00:23:38.289 --> 00:23:38.740
She's in St.
562
00:23:38.769 --> 00:23:39.170
Lucia.
563
00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:40.069
She's off to America.
564
00:23:44.619 --> 00:23:46.380
You're in Port Talbot mainly, right?
565
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.099
Yes, I live back there, yeah.
566
00:23:48.339 --> 00:23:51.440
So do you go out a lot there? Because presumably
567
00:23:51.460 --> 00:23:53.789
your house is kind of isolated, is it?
568
00:23:53.890 --> 00:23:57.130
Again, under normal circumstances, yes, we would be going out
569
00:23:57.450 --> 00:23:59.490
a lot. We've got, you know, where my mum and
570
00:23:59.509 --> 00:24:02.109
dad live. So I'm about half an hour from my
571
00:24:02.150 --> 00:24:05.250
mum and dad. And there's a, you know, there's a beach,
572
00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:09.390
Aberhaven Beach down there, which is lovely. And loads of
573
00:24:09.410 --> 00:24:12.869
people go down there. So we, before the pandemic started,
574
00:24:12.910 --> 00:24:14.819
before the lockdown started, We would go down there all
575
00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:16.740
the time. We'd take her down there and it's a
576
00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:19.079
lovely place to go and just walk around and go
577
00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:20.480
on the beach if the weather's not too bad.
578
00:24:20.500 --> 00:24:23.599
Are the locals bored of you by now there? It's
579
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.539
not a big event that you're there. It takes the
580
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.380
first few months, but now it's fine.
581
00:24:28.059 --> 00:24:30.799
They mainly try and avoid me now. It's just, yeah,
582
00:24:30.859 --> 00:24:34.079
it's not. There's no thrill to it at all. The
583
00:24:34.099 --> 00:24:37.019
thrill has gone for them all. Yeah, and it's lovely.
584
00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:39.599
People are just very friendly and it's really nice. But
585
00:24:39.619 --> 00:24:41.779
of course, you know, we haven't been able to do
586
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:43.480
that because it's too far away now for us to,
587
00:24:43.910 --> 00:24:47.089
to do that and we you know over Christmas we
588
00:24:47.130 --> 00:24:49.750
didn't we didn't see my mum and dad or my
589
00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:52.549
sister which we normally would everyone stayed in their homes
590
00:24:52.650 --> 00:24:54.829
and so we haven't been going out hardly at all
591
00:24:54.869 --> 00:24:56.990
now obviously we're very very fortunate we've got a nice
592
00:24:57.029 --> 00:25:00.069
house and a garden which makes a massive difference obviously
593
00:25:00.670 --> 00:25:02.710
um and so you know we've been able to get
594
00:25:02.750 --> 00:25:05.029
outside and when the weather was good in the first
595
00:25:05.069 --> 00:25:08.029
lockdown it was gorgeous we saw the spring happening in
596
00:25:08.049 --> 00:25:10.849
the garden And we hadn't long moved into the house.
597
00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:14.109
So it was just a wonderful thing to experience. Bit harder,
598
00:25:14.390 --> 00:25:16.450
you know, more recently when the weather's not been so great.
599
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.180
But nevertheless, we were able to get out. But no,
600
00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:23.259
going around the place, no. Where we are, we're mainly
601
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:28.539
surrounded by sheep. And so that's quite scary in itself.
602
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.680
They all gang up on you. They do. They just,
603
00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:34.460
have you seen, I don't know, unless you've lived near sheep,
604
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.029
the farmer just lets them wander around. That's the thing.
605
00:25:38.089 --> 00:25:41.210
I've always thought they would be in orderly sort of fields,
606
00:25:41.269 --> 00:25:42.289
but they just wander.
607
00:25:42.490 --> 00:25:43.390
Motorway system.
608
00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:47.559
They just sort of roam around.
609
00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:52.160
So I grew up on Dartmoor and there would be sheep.
610
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.059
and horses on the moor and these sheep and horses
611
00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:57.700
are owned by people.
612
00:25:57.619 --> 00:25:59.180
Yeah how do they get them back.
613
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:01.400
They'd like i don't know i'd always go and my
614
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.700
dad would be like well they just go out and
615
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.019
they find them it's like.
616
00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:07.109
What on the fucking moor yeah i know how does
617
00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:09.670
that work but they'll just be on the moor and.
618
00:26:09.609 --> 00:26:13.509
They've seen american werewolf in london Well, you know what
619
00:26:13.549 --> 00:26:14.369
can happen out there.
620
00:26:14.589 --> 00:26:16.440
Have you ever even seen a sheep, Rob? I can't
621
00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:18.700
imagine you've ever even come into contact in your life
622
00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:19.099
with a.
623
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:22.140
No, I've seen them, like, on the motorway sometimes. They
624
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.480
get a bit brave. You see, you know, you go
625
00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:27.079
into it on the M4. I find the countryside quite
626
00:26:27.099 --> 00:26:31.089
a scary place, really. Like, just anywhere where it's like
627
00:26:31.130 --> 00:26:33.069
you have to wait 10 or 15 minutes for an Uber,
628
00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:34.309
I feel panicky.
629
00:26:34.930 --> 00:26:35.309
Oh, right.
630
00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:37.119
If you can't have one immediately, I don't know what
631
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:39.440
to do. But I've always lived in London, so I
632
00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:41.380
don't know any difference. But is that what you're trying
633
00:26:41.420 --> 00:26:43.059
to do then? Your dogs will sort of have that
634
00:26:43.099 --> 00:26:46.019
sort of base of sort of, because are they coming
635
00:26:46.059 --> 00:26:46.920
with you when you work?
636
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.420
Obviously, you're into New York now.
637
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.140
So you're planning on taking your partner and dogs with you.
638
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.289
Yeah, again, that's a big difference between when Lily was
639
00:26:55.329 --> 00:26:58.109
little and now, is that, I mean, I haven't had
640
00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:00.470
to go away as much, obviously, during this last period
641
00:27:00.509 --> 00:27:02.869
of time, because we've sort of, you know, I did
642
00:27:02.890 --> 00:27:05.829
a TV series from my kitchen. Two TV series for
643
00:27:05.849 --> 00:27:07.589
my kids. And so I haven't had to go away
644
00:27:07.630 --> 00:27:11.009
as much. But when we have, we now go as
645
00:27:11.049 --> 00:27:14.440
a group. We go as a group of three everywhere.
646
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:19.180
Rather than back when Lily was little, I would go
647
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:20.599
off and do stuff and come back.
648
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:21.180
And I think.
649
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.859
It's, you know, I regret a lot of that. I
650
00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:27.720
regret being away so much back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
651
00:27:27.859 --> 00:27:30.880
Was that something you regretted now you've got a new
652
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.200
baby and you've seen that or was that.
653
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.400
Something you kind of... I did anyway.
654
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.400
I mean, you know, I was at a, you know,
655
00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:40.869
I was a different age. Obviously, I was, you know,
656
00:27:40.869 --> 00:27:42.569
22 years ago now and I was at a different
657
00:27:42.589 --> 00:27:45.529
place in my career and just thought differently about stuff and,
658
00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:47.680
you know, felt like I had to really try and,
659
00:27:47.690 --> 00:27:49.609
you know, keep trying to make my mind... I was still...
660
00:27:50.170 --> 00:27:52.529
you know, trying to establish myself as an actor and
661
00:27:52.569 --> 00:27:54.089
all that kind of stuff. And so I felt like
662
00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.180
I had to work as much as possible and all
663
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.579
that kind of stuff. And I do really regret that. Um,
664
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.809
and I did, I did at the time, I felt
665
00:28:01.869 --> 00:28:04.130
it at the time, but as time has gone on,
666
00:28:04.170 --> 00:28:07.789
I've regretted it more. And, and, And certainly now, having
667
00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:10.089
had the experience that we've had of the last year
668
00:28:10.670 --> 00:28:14.150
and a half with Lyra, I definitely regret it because
669
00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:18.029
I've loved it. I've loved this last year and a half.
670
00:28:18.069 --> 00:28:18.809
It's been wonderful.
671
00:28:18.829 --> 00:28:20.410
I was going to say, I found, I don't know
672
00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:22.970
about you, Josh, when you go away on tour, I'm
673
00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:25.250
a really hands-on dad. And when I'm at home, it's
674
00:28:25.269 --> 00:28:27.710
completely 50-50. But then when you go away for a
675
00:28:27.750 --> 00:28:29.630
couple of weeks and then you come home, you've sort
676
00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:31.319
of forgotten how to do it. It's sort of like,
677
00:28:31.339 --> 00:28:33.000
you know, you just, it can just go so quick
678
00:28:33.019 --> 00:28:34.839
and then you feel a bit like alien and then
679
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:37.279
you've got to relearn all the little routines and stuff.
680
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.420
And then sometimes it's easier just to go, Oh, I've
681
00:28:39.460 --> 00:28:40.480
got to have a bit of work and sort of
682
00:28:40.940 --> 00:28:43.170
escape off again. And then you sort of, and it's
683
00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:45.730
weird because you sort of aren't confident enough to establish
684
00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:47.849
yourself as a dad. But then and then you sort
685
00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:50.690
of sort of take that way. It's very difficult to
686
00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:53.089
come back and forth.
687
00:28:53.130 --> 00:28:55.690
Well, I've I've really noticed it now, much more so
688
00:28:55.750 --> 00:28:58.470
in a way this time, because when I have had
689
00:28:58.509 --> 00:29:01.470
to go to work, I mean, and even though we're
690
00:29:01.509 --> 00:29:03.670
like Anna and Lyra have come, you know, we've all
691
00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:07.279
come together to New York when I filmed before Christmas.
692
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.119
so we would all be living together in the apartment there,
693
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.359
but I would go off to work, you know, in
694
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.539
the studio for the day and then come back and maybe,
695
00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:17.859
you know, come back after Lyra's gone to bed. So
696
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.339
I wouldn't see her until the next morning maybe. And
697
00:29:20.380 --> 00:29:23.259
I'd notice a difference. Like she wouldn't, she wouldn't maybe
698
00:29:23.299 --> 00:29:26.029
acknowledge me first thing in the morning. It would be different.
699
00:29:26.529 --> 00:29:28.089
And that's just from being away for a bit of
700
00:29:28.109 --> 00:29:30.529
the day, let alone like away for two weeks, like
701
00:29:30.589 --> 00:29:33.210
I used to do with, you know, with Lily. I'd
702
00:29:33.230 --> 00:29:34.269
really notice it.
703
00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:36.710
I noticed that a lot actually, when you, you go,
704
00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:39.089
you're like, Come on, mate. I've just been to work.
705
00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:42.039
Give me a break. They don't give a shit.
706
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:47.240
That food you're eating is because of me going.
707
00:29:46.779 --> 00:29:49.519
Away and working, so let's have a little bit more.
708
00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:50.759
Yeah.
709
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:51.279
Huh?
710
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.720
There's a lot of that going on.
711
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.359
I know that. Well, I'm not eating it anyway, so
712
00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.000
you didn't eat it in the afternoon. Yeah.
713
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.019
And she just lets it dribble down her mouth. That's
714
00:29:59.059 --> 00:30:01.230
what Lyra's doing at the moment. She's got the, I think,
715
00:30:01.450 --> 00:30:03.089
I think we're getting the point where we're realizing we
716
00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:06.470
can't give her like the sort of pureed food anymore.
717
00:30:06.589 --> 00:30:08.849
I hated that stage. I found it so difficult with
718
00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:09.750
the getting on to food.
719
00:30:09.789 --> 00:30:12.420
Cause she's, yeah, she's eating, she's, we're, you know, putting
720
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:14.539
it in her mouth and then she's just looking at
721
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.980
us in the eye and just letting it dribble down
722
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.759
her face. She knows what she's doing. Now, I don't
723
00:30:22.779 --> 00:30:25.119
know if you remember this period, but she's at that
724
00:30:25.180 --> 00:30:27.740
period where if you tell her off, she just thinks
725
00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:31.400
it's funny. And on the one hand, that's kind of
726
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.519
a bit annoying because you want to go, no, don't
727
00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:36.650
put your fingers in that socket. Don't pick that knife up.
728
00:30:36.710 --> 00:30:40.049
You want to instill in other. But on the other hand,
729
00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:43.529
I'm sort of living in terror a little bit at
730
00:30:43.569 --> 00:30:46.250
that moment where she realizes she is being told off.
731
00:30:46.289 --> 00:30:48.819
You know that Because at the moment she just doesn't
732
00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:53.000
have that. Even if we get scared about something and
733
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.920
raise our voices or are a bit sharp with her,
734
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:57.099
she just thinks it's funny.
735
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.400
Yeah. That is horrible when they get out. If you
736
00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:01.279
do go, no, like that, and then they cry because
737
00:31:01.299 --> 00:31:02.920
you actually make them jump.
738
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:03.559
Yeah.
739
00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:05.940
Because you're panicked and then they get scared and then
740
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.859
it's a horrible thing.
741
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.440
It's like the first time you see if they cut themselves.
742
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.500
I remember that with Lily as well. First, she bumped
743
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.079
her lip on something, Lily, when she was very little
744
00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:18.920
and her lip was bleeding. I just remember that feeling
745
00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:23.569
of seeing your child's blood. It's like, oh, it chilled me.
746
00:31:23.609 --> 00:31:25.789
And the same with Lyra when she bumped her head
747
00:31:25.869 --> 00:31:28.630
one time as well. Horrible feeling that, isn't it? Seeing
748
00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:29.170
them like that.
749
00:31:29.289 --> 00:31:32.710
It's grim. I think that one where you say like
750
00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:34.880
that situation where they think they're being told off and
751
00:31:34.910 --> 00:31:37.950
it's funny. have you got into this situation where they'll
752
00:31:37.970 --> 00:31:40.329
do something and you'll laugh and then you've created a
753
00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:44.630
running joke that every time you laugh it's reinforcing bad behaviour?
754
00:31:45.690 --> 00:31:48.990
So I've got in this running joke now where so
755
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:51.539
she'll say it's cuddle time and then she'll cuddle her
756
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.640
mum and then I'll go, I said, oh, is it
757
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.019
my cuddle time? And she said, no, and we both laughed.
758
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.559
And now I haven't had a cuddle in four days.
759
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.119
Because she thinks it's funny. She thinks it's funny. She
760
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:03.599
loves it.
761
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.440
She loves to go, it's not your cuddle time. I'm like,
762
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.079
all right, mate, a joke's a joke in this situation.
763
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.140
Come on. Yeah, we also have a thing where she started,
764
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.329
and she started doing this quite early on, she developed
765
00:32:17.369 --> 00:32:19.470
a fake laugh. Do you have that? Do you remember
766
00:32:19.490 --> 00:32:20.509
the fake laugh coming in?
767
00:32:20.789 --> 00:32:21.829
No, I've never had a fake laugh.
768
00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:22.809
Daughter of an actor.
769
00:32:23.049 --> 00:32:28.019
Yeah, exactly, exactly. But she clearly worked out fairly early
770
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.769
on that if we laughed... You know, that was a
771
00:32:30.789 --> 00:32:33.220
good thing and that she'd done something funny or whatever
772
00:32:33.339 --> 00:32:34.809
and that it was good to laugh. That was a
773
00:32:34.829 --> 00:32:38.319
nice thing. So then she started developing this sort of, like,
774
00:32:38.859 --> 00:32:43.339
clearly fake laugh just to let things go along smoothly
775
00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.859
with the parents, I guess. Like, she's acting like an.
776
00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:47.769
18-year-old or something.
777
00:32:48.619 --> 00:32:51.170
It's such an odd thing, seeing her going, ha-ha! Also
778
00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:53.589
because at the end of Peppa Pig, everyone falls down
779
00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:56.990
laughing all the time. So she would pretend to do that,
780
00:32:57.029 --> 00:32:58.450
and I think she realised, oh, I can do a
781
00:32:58.569 --> 00:32:59.250
fake laugh.
782
00:32:59.269 --> 00:33:02.329
Oh, yeah, Peppa Pig, I mean... So what kind of
783
00:33:02.369 --> 00:33:03.710
stuff is she into? Is she watching a lot of
784
00:33:03.730 --> 00:33:04.910
Peppa Pig or CBeebies?
785
00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:08.140
Oh, a lot of Peppa Pig at the moment. Really?
786
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.059
I mean, I am a big fan. Are either of
787
00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:14.619
you in it? Are either of you doing any kids' voices?
788
00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:18.559
No, I've never done one. But we interviewed Doc Brown
789
00:33:18.619 --> 00:33:21.279
and he'd done the... Is it Jack and Norris? It's
790
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:21.759
not Jack and Norris.
791
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:22.480
Bedtime Stories.
792
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:23.240
It's the Bedtime Stories.
793
00:33:23.259 --> 00:33:23.759
Bedtime Stories.
794
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.390
Yeah, which a lot of people want to do. Would
795
00:33:26.430 --> 00:33:27.849
you do any of them, Michael?
796
00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:28.990
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
797
00:33:29.069 --> 00:33:31.710
I could see you appearing in, you know, an episode
798
00:33:31.730 --> 00:33:34.309
of Justin's House getting pied in the face or something
799
00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:34.869
like that.
800
00:33:35.009 --> 00:33:37.539
I'd love to get pied by Justin. Well, I mean,
801
00:33:37.779 --> 00:33:43.220
what's the deal with Justin? Because, I mean, there's young
802
00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:46.329
CBeebies or something. What's that all about?
803
00:33:48.029 --> 00:33:50.230
Because he does Justin's House. They do Mr.
804
00:33:50.250 --> 00:33:50.549
Tumble.
805
00:33:50.750 --> 00:33:53.910
I think Mr. Tumble's the best one. I mean, that's great.
806
00:33:53.950 --> 00:33:57.609
He does the game show where he plays all the characters.
807
00:33:58.109 --> 00:34:00.470
Is that the sketch show? Is that a far show
808
00:34:00.509 --> 00:34:00.970
for the kids?
809
00:34:01.230 --> 00:34:01.730
Yeah, that one.
810
00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:04.450
That one's one step too far, that is. He's just
811
00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:04.890
a show.
812
00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:07.140
I've got a theory on that one. I reckon, you
813
00:34:07.180 --> 00:34:09.239
know when someone's got a lot of power at a
814
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:12.739
channel and he's gone, if I do another series of Mr. Tumble,
815
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.199
you have to take that sketch show I've been pitching
816
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:15.559
to you.
817
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.349
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's good, but it's not vintage.
818
00:34:19.789 --> 00:34:20.630
No, it's not classic.
819
00:34:20.710 --> 00:34:21.650
It's good. It's all good.
820
00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:22.409
Don't get me wrong.
821
00:34:22.550 --> 00:34:25.250
Talking about bedtime stories, you know, it's always a little
822
00:34:25.289 --> 00:34:27.130
bit of a thrill to go, ooh, who's doing bedtime
823
00:34:27.150 --> 00:34:29.989
story today? Oh, look, it's Tom Hardy. Or, you know,
824
00:34:30.030 --> 00:34:32.360
it's Sam Mendes. Or, you know, it's like some odd
825
00:34:32.420 --> 00:34:37.199
people show up. The big gig for that, I'm guessing,
826
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.000
Christmas Eve, Christmas Day.
827
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:39.760
Oh, yeah.
828
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.219
Guess who did Christmas Eve and Christmas Day?
829
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.679
Who?
830
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:44.179
Bloody Justin.
831
00:34:44.260 --> 00:34:44.679
Both of them.
832
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:44.760
Ah!
833
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.530
Because he's just not on enough. He only comes out
834
00:34:50.550 --> 00:34:51.329
for the big events.
835
00:34:51.409 --> 00:34:52.409
I'll do Christmas-ish.
836
00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:53.610
Oh, yeah.
837
00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:58.500
Leave it to me. Night before Christmas, that's mine. Because
838
00:34:58.539 --> 00:35:00.599
he actually did The Night Before Christmas on The Night
839
00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:03.039
Before Christmas. That was a big gig and he got that.
840
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:04.940
But I mean, all that, I mean, I do think
841
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:06.519
his show is amazing. Do you think you could do that?
842
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:07.719
The signing and all that.
843
00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:10.880
Would you be good as a kind of children's Mr.
844
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:11.820
Tumble actor?
845
00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:13.519
I don't know about that.
846
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.059
When you're watching that, are you seeing the craft?
847
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:17.440
Do you know what I mean?
848
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:20.420
Well, we have a lot of conversations about it is
849
00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:24.500
a real skill to be able to do the, you know,
850
00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:28.579
talking to kids on TV thing without, on the one hand,
851
00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:32.239
sounding patronizing and condescending, but then on the other hand,
852
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.070
coming across as really creepy. Because a lot of actors,
853
00:35:36.230 --> 00:35:37.869
I've noticed a lot of actors go on the bedtime
854
00:35:37.889 --> 00:35:39.869
stories thing and they've clearly gone, right, I'm not talking
855
00:35:39.909 --> 00:35:42.250
down to the kids. I'm not talking down. I'm just
856
00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:44.730
going to speak to them straight. And then they come
857
00:35:44.769 --> 00:35:49.349
across really scary. And I think it's a mistake. So
858
00:35:49.409 --> 00:35:51.010
it's a real skill to be able to do that.
859
00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:53.199
A lot of them are really good. But what I
860
00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:55.639
do find myself doing, and this happened with Lily as
861
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.619
well when she was little, and essentially really had made
862
00:35:59.659 --> 00:36:03.340
a difference to my career because people now think that
863
00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:04.800
I'm very good at, you know, I must have been
864
00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:06.909
good at doing impersonations and that kind of stuff when
865
00:36:06.929 --> 00:36:07.320
I was growing up.
866
00:36:07.489 --> 00:36:08.010
I was terrible.
867
00:36:08.409 --> 00:36:10.590
I couldn't do impersonations. I wasn't that person at all.
868
00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:13.670
I couldn't mimic anyone or anything like that. And then
869
00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:16.989
when Lily was really little, she would watch, you know,
870
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.809
Disney films, Pixar films, whatever it was. And she would
871
00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:24.570
then want us to, you know, tell her stories about
872
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:28.449
those things that she'd watched. And she would like... And
873
00:36:28.489 --> 00:36:30.739
because she was totally non-judgmental, I would just have a
874
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:34.139
go at doing the voices of those characters. And slowly,
875
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.559
over time, I found, like, I was quite good at
876
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.840
doing them. Like, I get really quite close to the
877
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.199
voices and stuff. So it eventually ended up to the
878
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.449
point where it gave me the confidence to have a
879
00:36:44.489 --> 00:36:46.730
go at doing Tony Blair and that kind of stuff.
880
00:36:46.769 --> 00:36:48.409
I wouldn't have had the confidence to do it had
881
00:36:48.449 --> 00:36:49.190
I not done it.
882
00:36:49.289 --> 00:36:52.369
If you hadn't done, you know, Woody from Toy Story
883
00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:52.710
or whatever.
884
00:36:52.769 --> 00:36:56.050
Exactly, yeah, yeah. Sully from Monsters, Inc., all that, yeah.
885
00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:56.150
Yeah.
886
00:36:56.849 --> 00:37:01.260
And all seven dwarves in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Yeah,
887
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.539
she used to, she got to the point, yeah. She
888
00:37:03.579 --> 00:37:07.059
would say, Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, daddy. And
889
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:08.760
she would be Snow White and she would just sit
890
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.920
there and then she would make me be all seven
891
00:37:10.940 --> 00:37:14.099
dwarves doing stuff. And she would slowly get quieter and
892
00:37:14.139 --> 00:37:17.119
quieter so she wouldn't add anything to it as Snow
893
00:37:17.139 --> 00:37:19.260
White and the seven dwarves would just have a conversation
894
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.050
around her. That's what she enjoyed the most. Wow. I
895
00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:23.550
was exhausted by the end of every day.
896
00:37:23.570 --> 00:37:24.369
Exhausted.
897
00:37:25.849 --> 00:37:27.289
So that grumpy must have been easy.
898
00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:30.829
Then by the end. Yeah, exactly. But with Lyra, what
899
00:37:30.849 --> 00:37:32.630
I'm finding now is because we watch so much like
900
00:37:32.690 --> 00:37:36.639
CBeebies and all that kind of stuff, I do find myself,
901
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:38.500
because you were asking, do I do the voices of
902
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.500
any characters? I don't. But I do find myself trying
903
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.440
to have a go at all of them, all the
904
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.610
Peppa Pig characters, all the Moon and Me characters, all
905
00:37:47.670 --> 00:37:50.030
in the nightgown, all of that. And in the back
906
00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:51.269
of my head, I'm like, yeah, I.
907
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:51.670
Could do that.
908
00:37:51.710 --> 00:37:54.260
I could step into that. If old Derek Jacoby decides
909
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:56.239
to give it a miss, I could pop in that.
910
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.119
Could you give us a line or two of a
911
00:37:59.179 --> 00:38:00.079
children's CB week?
912
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.179
Well, I mean, Moon and Me, I think, is the best.
913
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.840
Moon and Me is the best. I think it's a wonderful,
914
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:07.480
wonderful show.
915
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:08.500
I've not seen Moon and Me.
916
00:38:08.659 --> 00:38:09.199
Oh, it's so good.
917
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:10.699
I'll have to give it a whirl.
918
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:11.590
Yeah, it's great.
919
00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:12.300
It's fantastic.
920
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.070
Your kid's a bit old for it now, I think, maybe. Oh, really?
921
00:38:15.219 --> 00:38:17.730
It's shot so beautifully.
922
00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:19.690
It's like a good In the Night Garden.
923
00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:22.329
Yeah. And they should swap it around because In the
924
00:38:22.369 --> 00:38:25.329
Night Garden is quite frantic and gets her a bit
925
00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:29.690
worked up. Whereas Moonami, which is on earlier, is very relaxing.
926
00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:32.429
So I think Moonami should finish. Anyway, that's all there is.
927
00:38:32.469 --> 00:38:34.090
In the night garden, it reminds me of the weird
928
00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:36.820
bit of Glastonbury in the night garden. I mean, you
929
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.460
go in that one field, you're in there for about
930
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.300
two minutes, but nah, not that. Just go back, killers
931
00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:43.079
are on. I had to kill for an hour to
932
00:38:43.099 --> 00:38:46.179
get into this field, and now it's just... You're.
933
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.119
A fucking lunatic.
934
00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:47.619
Oh, no.
935
00:38:47.980 --> 00:38:50.719
It's the Ninkydon. Oh, not for me.
936
00:38:50.739 --> 00:39:02.860
LAUGHTER Hello everyone.
937
00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:03.699
It's Alan here.
938
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.599
I just wanted to tell you about my brand new podcast,
939
00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:11.360
Lights of Beach. This podcast is the escapism we all
940
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.039
need right now. I sat down and chatted with some
941
00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:17.579
of my famous friends about everything travel. From caravanning in
942
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.519
Rio to private jetting to the Maldives, my guests spill
943
00:39:21.539 --> 00:39:24.929
the beans on their holiday horrors and dream destinations.
944
00:39:25.409 --> 00:39:27.269
And let's face it, we might not.
945
00:39:27.190 --> 00:39:29.570
Have the sun on our faces, but after a listen
946
00:39:29.610 --> 00:39:33.139
to this... you'll definitely have a smile. First episode is
947
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.179
the very funny Romesh Ranganathan. And coming up, we've got
948
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:41.730
Robbie Williams, Jessie Ware and her mum Lenny, Michael McIntyre,
949
00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:46.909
Rufus Wainwright, Rob Rinder, James Blunt, Dustin Lance Black. Oh,
950
00:39:47.030 --> 00:39:51.159
fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a fantastic ride.
951
00:39:56.369 --> 00:39:59.650
Here's a question for you, Michael. You get a call
952
00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:03.989
from your agent. They're making a biopic of Justin Fletcher.
953
00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:05.320
Say no more. Say no more.
954
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:05.719
I'm in.
955
00:40:06.219 --> 00:40:07.820
I'm in. I'm in.
956
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:08.719
Wait.
957
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:08.940
I'm in.
958
00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:16.130
Also, there's that thing that they constantly get the kids
959
00:40:16.170 --> 00:40:19.929
to do, to go, Mr Tumble is funny.
960
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.739
Yeah, if you need to tell people you're funny, mate.
961
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:23.760
Yes, yes.
962
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.320
I've always said that. It's so true. He says it himself,
963
00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:30.579
doesn't he? Mr Tumble is funny.
964
00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:34.860
Mr Tumble makes us laugh. Listen, first rule of comedy.
965
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.110
Mr Tumble needs a pay rise. Mr Tumble needs three
966
00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:40.550
more series of his sketch show.
967
00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:46.219
Who would you most like to hear from on Christmas Eve, children? Mr.
968
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:46.920
Tumble.
969
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:50.639
No, he's brilliant. That show is amazing. It is amazing
970
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:51.199
what he does.
971
00:40:51.219 --> 00:40:51.769
Yeah, it's great.
972
00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:54.630
With the kids and the signing. It is absolutely fantastic.
973
00:40:54.650 --> 00:40:55.690
But it does make me laugh.
974
00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:57.670
But he's such a bigger part of my life than
975
00:40:57.710 --> 00:40:58.409
I thought he would be.
976
00:40:58.610 --> 00:40:58.849
Yeah.
977
00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:01.469
That's the only thing I didn't really like. And also,
978
00:41:01.489 --> 00:41:03.090
wherever you are in the world, if you're working in
979
00:41:03.130 --> 00:41:05.510
America or you're back home in Wales, you will have
980
00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:08.329
some sort of app with Justin on it. Moon and me,
981
00:41:08.429 --> 00:41:10.619
Peppa Pig. They follow you everywhere. They're on the plane.
982
00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:11.760
They're all over the place.
983
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:14.739
And we've got the little soft toys as well for things.
984
00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:18.789
And so every now and again... you'll hear, we'll be like,
985
00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:21.550
you know, wheeling a suitcase and from inside it, as
986
00:41:21.590 --> 00:41:25.610
we're going through, you know, security, you'll just hear, onions, onions,
987
00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:29.260
which is a character, Mr. Onion, from Moon and Me.
988
00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:32.179
And you know that the soft toy has accidentally got
989
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:33.420
pressed inside the case.
990
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.090
And then it's, yes, my name is Eagle Pig.
991
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.329
Went on and on and on.
992
00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:46.119
What's the kind of difference in a... So, did Lily
993
00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:47.199
grow up in Hollywood?
994
00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:53.610
Well, she was born in the UK. And then, yeah,
995
00:41:54.230 --> 00:41:58.349
within a couple of years, was living, like, full-time in America,
996
00:41:58.389 --> 00:42:00.269
and mainly Los Angeles, yeah.
997
00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:04.510
And was that, like, a different experience as a parent
998
00:42:04.530 --> 00:42:06.449
to how... I mean, it must have been very different
999
00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:08.110
to how you'd been brought up, right?
1000
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.110
Yeah. Well, and also, you know, me and her mom
1001
00:42:11.250 --> 00:42:13.710
had split up by the time she was three. So
1002
00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:15.690
that was, you know, that was part of the experience
1003
00:42:15.730 --> 00:42:18.239
as well. So it wasn't just growing up in LA.
1004
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:19.980
It was also growing up, you know, with us not
1005
00:42:20.019 --> 00:42:21.760
together and all that kind of stuff. So it's obviously
1006
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.380
much more complicated then as well for everyone involved.
1007
00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:27.559
You were both Brits as well. So was there obviously,
1008
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:28.980
so was there part of you trying to give her
1009
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.139
a kind of a less American upbringing than was happening
1010
00:42:32.210 --> 00:42:32.730
around you?
1011
00:42:32.989 --> 00:42:35.409
I remember there was a sort of turning point because
1012
00:42:35.429 --> 00:42:37.909
I remember we were in a, there was a place called,
1013
00:42:37.929 --> 00:42:41.269
what was it called? Brightchild, which was a sort of
1014
00:42:41.309 --> 00:42:43.949
soft play place in Los Angeles. And we would take
1015
00:42:43.969 --> 00:42:46.409
her there and indoor climbing frames and ball pits and
1016
00:42:46.449 --> 00:42:49.349
all that kind of amazing stuff. And we would take
1017
00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:52.769
her there. And I remember when she was about, She
1018
00:42:52.789 --> 00:42:57.230
must have been about three, three-ish. And I remember her saying...
1019
00:42:57.750 --> 00:43:00.829
getting upset because people had been, kids had been making, well,
1020
00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:02.889
she thought kids had been making fun of her accent
1021
00:43:03.050 --> 00:43:05.269
because she sounded English, you know, and she was a
1022
00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:06.719
bit upset. I don't think they were making fun of her.
1023
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.019
I think it was just like they hadn't heard that
1024
00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:11.639
accent or whatever, you know, whatever. But she was quite
1025
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.920
upset by that. And so I, and I remember there
1026
00:43:13.940 --> 00:43:15.440
was a period of time where I think she was
1027
00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:18.699
really like, she didn't like sounding different. So I thought,
1028
00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:20.260
oh my God, she's now going to, because I was
1029
00:43:20.300 --> 00:43:22.889
amazed at how long she sounded quite British for, you know,
1030
00:43:23.449 --> 00:43:26.409
and didn't sound American for. And I thought, right, she's
1031
00:43:26.449 --> 00:43:29.139
going to now, just ditch the British that she's going
1032
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.599
to go full American. And then Harry Potter started coming
1033
00:43:32.659 --> 00:43:36.639
out and it suddenly became like a real thing, Harry
1034
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.539
Potter and the accent. And so she went even more English.
1035
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.389
She went even more, you know, Harry Potter sounding because
1036
00:43:44.429 --> 00:43:46.030
it became such a cool thing. So that made a
1037
00:43:46.050 --> 00:43:48.230
big difference. I don't know if you spent much time
1038
00:43:48.269 --> 00:43:50.289
in America, but you know, at times people just literally
1039
00:43:50.329 --> 00:43:53.070
can't understand what I'm saying. And so you find yourself
1040
00:43:53.110 --> 00:43:55.659
having to put on an American accent just to kind
1041
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.349
of be understood.
1042
00:43:56.900 --> 00:43:57.440
A lot of the time.
1043
00:43:59.019 --> 00:44:02.320
But she, Lily is, I think, you know, when she
1044
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.900
was in school, when she was getting older, she probably
1045
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.599
sounded more American in school. And then when she was
1046
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.579
at home, she would sound more British or, you know,
1047
00:44:09.619 --> 00:44:11.159
so she goes back and forth, which I think has
1048
00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:12.949
been a big help because she's now an actress, you know,
1049
00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:15.570
she's a working actress now. So that's become very useful
1050
00:44:15.610 --> 00:44:17.769
for her to be able to use both. You know,
1051
00:44:17.849 --> 00:44:18.829
I think that's quite handy.
1052
00:44:19.030 --> 00:44:21.469
What have you noticed that's different between like, you know,
1053
00:44:21.469 --> 00:44:23.550
20 years apart between your kids? Is there stuff that
1054
00:44:23.849 --> 00:44:26.090
you just, what's the dumb thing? What was your first?
1055
00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:29.369
It is now like, like ISOFIX. I don't remember ISOFIX seat.
1056
00:44:29.409 --> 00:44:31.969
Yeah. That was the thing ever growing up. That was
1057
00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:33.429
my first thing I was going to say to you.
1058
00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:36.110
That was the main thing. The very first thing I went, well,
1059
00:44:36.230 --> 00:44:42.050
this is different. Was the car seat technology.
1060
00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:43.010
Oh my God.
1061
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:50.090
Oh, the 20 years of difference in that. That was amazing. What,
1062
00:44:50.150 --> 00:44:52.849
you mean you just go click into the, like the
1063
00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:56.059
bass goes in and it stays there? And then you just, oh,
1064
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.840
because I mean the wrangling and wrestling with seatbelts and
1065
00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:03.050
all that nightmare before. Oh, that was amazing. So, yeah,
1066
00:45:03.090 --> 00:45:07.489
that is a big difference. That's been great. We came
1067
00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:10.949
across a sort of a stroller or whatever that has
1068
00:45:10.989 --> 00:45:13.010
been life changing for us. Because if you do have
1069
00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:15.050
to travel quite a bit, we've got this one.
1070
00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:17.329
Oh, I know. It's the one we've got. It's the
1071
00:45:17.369 --> 00:45:18.730
one that you can take on a plane.
1072
00:45:19.010 --> 00:45:19.349
Yeah.
1073
00:45:19.429 --> 00:45:22.429
Well, the one that folds. Well, it's called a doona.
1074
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:26.710
And it folds up into itself. It's like a transformer.
1075
00:45:26.769 --> 00:45:30.010
It's like Optimus Prime. It looks like a car seat.
1076
00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:32.670
So you can, you know, it's got the handle and
1077
00:45:32.710 --> 00:45:34.170
you carry it and you just use it as a
1078
00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:37.340
car seat. But then there's a little button on it
1079
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.280
and the wheels come out from underneath it.
1080
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:39.599
Wow.
1081
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.920
And then it turns into the stroller. So you just like,
1082
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.679
it's like Roger Moore in The Spy Who Loved Me.
1083
00:45:45.019 --> 00:45:48.219
You know, the car is underwater, underwater, comes up, drives
1084
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:49.900
up the beach. You don't have to get out. You
1085
00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:52.079
don't have to get a different gadget. And it goes
1086
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.449
straight in the seat. Oh my God. So then you
1087
00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:57.849
fold it up again as well. And then boom, car seat.
1088
00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:00.989
So if you're traveling, you're just pushing her through the airport,
1089
00:46:01.269 --> 00:46:03.130
go up to the gate, fold it up into itself,
1090
00:46:03.530 --> 00:46:06.369
put it in the hold, back out, into the car, boom,
1091
00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:07.590
she's in the car, out of the car.
1092
00:46:07.610 --> 00:46:08.099
Oh yeah, the car.
1093
00:46:08.389 --> 00:46:10.889
Press the button, boom. Car seats on holiday.
1094
00:46:10.909 --> 00:46:13.769
I took two car seats to Spain once, and I
1095
00:46:13.789 --> 00:46:18.849
nearly just flew straight back. Everything was so heavy and awkward.
1096
00:46:19.670 --> 00:46:20.289
Oh, God, yeah.
1097
00:46:20.349 --> 00:46:21.650
Oh, that's amazing. A Duna.
1098
00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:23.329
And did you get that in the UK or in
1099
00:46:23.349 --> 00:46:23.929
the US?
1100
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.219
We bought it in New York, but I think it
1101
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:27.760
must be available over here as well.
1102
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:30.579
Because you can get those car seat things that spin
1103
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.119
round as you put them in, so you don't have
1104
00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:32.760
to go in there.
1105
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.539
Yeah. Well, that's what we're going to have to do next, yeah.
1106
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:35.659
Oh.
1107
00:46:36.380 --> 00:46:40.139
Mate i the car seat i've got i spent about
1108
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.099
three hours trying to work out how to make it
1109
00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:44.170
spin round and then realized that i bought the one
1110
00:46:44.190 --> 00:46:44.929
that didn't spin.
1111
00:46:44.769 --> 00:46:51.719
Round genuinely low moment i was like i just don't
1112
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.900
understand it and i was watching the video on youtube
1113
00:46:54.940 --> 00:46:57.079
which is obviously of a slightly different model and i
1114
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.320
was just like it just doesn't You don't.
1115
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:00.119
Need the spin.
1116
00:47:01.340 --> 00:47:03.849
You thought you bought the spin. When you said you
1117
00:47:03.889 --> 00:47:06.250
bought the spin, you didn't give me the spin.
1118
00:47:06.630 --> 00:47:09.969
Well, the doona, the problem with the doona is that
1119
00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:13.309
it only works up to a certain size. Because obviously
1120
00:47:13.329 --> 00:47:16.679
beyond a certain size, the physics of it.
1121
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.030
You just can't get an eight-year-old in it.
1122
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.099
Exactly. So poor Lyra.
1123
00:47:20.139 --> 00:47:22.420
Lily's refused for the last three years, hasn't she?
1124
00:47:22.780 --> 00:47:25.019
Well, Lyra really is too big for it now. But
1125
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:26.920
we're like, well... Get in.
1126
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.219
So there's a yo-yo. So it doesn't do a casting,
1127
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.699
but I think we had the yo-yo, which basically is a...
1128
00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:34.519
It folds up really small, so you can walk through
1129
00:47:34.539 --> 00:47:35.699
the airport with them in it, and then if you
1130
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.250
get on the plane, it can go in the hold
1131
00:47:37.309 --> 00:47:37.690
above you.
1132
00:47:38.409 --> 00:47:39.239
Ah, well, that is handy.
1133
00:47:39.260 --> 00:47:41.090
So you don't actually have to put it in the hole.
1134
00:47:41.130 --> 00:47:42.210
So as soon as you get off the plane, you
1135
00:47:42.230 --> 00:47:44.090
just carry it like a bag and they're straight in
1136
00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:46.429
it again. But it's not a car seat.
1137
00:47:46.489 --> 00:47:50.210
Now, I've heard of these mythical things at airports, which
1138
00:47:50.349 --> 00:47:54.389
is the airport-provided stroller. Have you had a go at these?
1139
00:47:54.590 --> 00:47:56.849
Yes, I've seen one at Gatwick and they're just left
1140
00:47:56.869 --> 00:47:58.530
out of the side. And then you just bang them
1141
00:47:58.550 --> 00:48:00.960
in it. And they're more like, I'd say, a shopping
1142
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.360
trolley that's been adapted.
1143
00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:04.400
Well, that's what I've seen. It's like something you see
1144
00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:07.780
an old lady carrying down the high street.
1145
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.400
My kids have never got in it and gone, oh,
1146
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.739
it's so comfy. It's a cage with wheels that you
1147
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.800
can strap them to.
1148
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.860
I imagine COVID has seen them off, surely. No one's
1149
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.320
passing around a straw.
1150
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.659
Is it like the way they transport Hannibal Lecter?
1151
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:24.360
Yeah.
1152
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.949
Prison to prison, yeah. That would be quite useful, wouldn't it?
1153
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.460
One of the best things I ever did when we
1154
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:33.059
had a one-year-old coming back from holiday... and Lou had
1155
00:48:33.099 --> 00:48:36.519
to go somewhere for work straight off. So I went,
1156
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.860
I'll get all the luggage and the baby, you just go, right?
1157
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.030
So I was holding a one-year-old, and I got three
1158
00:48:42.269 --> 00:48:44.570
suitcases off the thing like that. Then when I got
1159
00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:46.750
the buggy, I got the buggy and unclipped it with
1160
00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:48.809
one hand, threw it in the air, and as it
1161
00:48:48.829 --> 00:48:50.449
was in there, I put my foot on the bottom,
1162
00:48:50.710 --> 00:48:53.650
went bang, and opened it up. LAUGHTER And a bloke
1163
00:48:53.710 --> 00:48:54.869
came up to me and went, mate, that is one
1164
00:48:54.889 --> 00:48:55.989
of the best things I've ever seen.
1165
00:48:56.030 --> 00:48:57.269
And I was like, I know.
1166
00:48:57.329 --> 00:49:02.079
I know it's good, wasn't it? It was so amazing.
1167
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.219
It was one of the greatest moments of my life,
1168
00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:05.599
that buzz of I did that.
1169
00:49:06.019 --> 00:49:07.760
Do you know what, Rob? When we finally do a
1170
00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:09.820
live show, we're going to get one of them and
1171
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.309
we'll finish the show with you doing that again.
1172
00:49:12.309 --> 00:49:17.139
Someone can bring their baby. I'll hold the baby. Yeah.
1173
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.619
You sort of basking in the afterglow and then realise,
1174
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.599
where's the baby? And you realise you've actually served the
1175
00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:27.039
baby about 50 foot down the airport.
1176
00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.570
What a story, though. But it's that little thing of like, oh,
1177
00:49:30.590 --> 00:49:32.170
I did that. You never will need to do that
1178
00:49:32.230 --> 00:49:34.190
ever again. There's certain things that you spend so long
1179
00:49:34.210 --> 00:49:35.809
trying to do with your kids. Oh, what if I
1180
00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:37.349
could just sort that out? And then it just, it
1181
00:49:37.389 --> 00:49:38.909
goes within an instant. It's so fast.
1182
00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:39.070
Yeah.
1183
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:40.179
Is there.
1184
00:49:40.780 --> 00:49:41.300
With the.
1185
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.739
So, like, doing stuff that you've done 20 years before,
1186
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.389
do you get... Because I can't... You know when someone
1187
00:49:47.590 --> 00:49:49.869
says to me, someone who's got a baby that's a
1188
00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:52.409
year old, and they'll say, oh, my baby's doing this,
1189
00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:55.809
and I'll be like, I don't remember. It's all already gone.
1190
00:49:56.289 --> 00:49:56.489
Yeah.
1191
00:49:56.510 --> 00:49:58.469
Does it all come flooding back, or does it feel
1192
00:49:58.510 --> 00:50:00.329
like it's a new kind of experience?
1193
00:50:00.369 --> 00:50:03.940
Well, some things have done. Like, you know, the first
1194
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:09.019
time you smell that nappy when solids have been introduced...
1195
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.440
I mean, that never changes. That was a sense memory.
1196
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:15.719
So that was like when you put on sun cream
1197
00:50:15.739 --> 00:50:17.400
and you're taken back to a childhood holiday.
1198
00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:20.019
That kind of experience.
1199
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:25.050
That Ambrose Solaire moment. But there's nothing like that smell,
1200
00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:29.070
is there? When the poos go from being those first little...
1201
00:50:29.389 --> 00:50:32.670
sort of, you know, first little baby poos to then, whoa,
1202
00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:38.150
this baby is eating food now. Like that, that hasn't changed.
1203
00:50:38.190 --> 00:50:41.409
And that brought, yeah. And that feeling of, um, that
1204
00:50:41.449 --> 00:50:44.429
feeling of being in the middle of the night and, and,
1205
00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:46.400
you know, trying to rock the baby to sleep whilst
1206
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.340
you're sort of barely awake yourself. Those, all those sort
1207
00:50:50.380 --> 00:50:52.949
of things that I hadn't You know, when you're not
1208
00:50:52.989 --> 00:50:56.500
doing that, the brain probably just represses it.
1209
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:57.059
Yeah.
1210
00:50:57.139 --> 00:50:59.019
And so you don't think about it or, you know,
1211
00:50:59.139 --> 00:51:01.000
and then as soon as you do it again, especially
1212
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:04.820
with that much time in between, you go, oh, my God, yes,
1213
00:51:04.900 --> 00:51:08.800
I remember this. How many nights did this happen? So
1214
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:10.199
that's a very particular thing.
1215
00:51:10.219 --> 00:51:12.610
Did you find it easier or harder? Like, obviously, you
1216
00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:14.389
had the experience, but it was 20 years ago.
1217
00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:14.590
Yeah.
1218
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.699
Well, I think on the, because I was a bit
1219
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.250
nervous because, you know, I'm 51 now.
1220
00:51:20.510 --> 00:51:20.929
Yeah.
1221
00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:24.949
And the idea of having another baby at this point,
1222
00:51:25.429 --> 00:51:30.349
you know, did make me anxious about whether I'd physically
1223
00:51:30.409 --> 00:51:32.789
be able to, you know, do the things that I'd
1224
00:51:33.070 --> 00:51:36.530
need to do. But that's, it's actually, it has been
1225
00:51:36.570 --> 00:51:39.269
easier so far. I mean, she's now getting to the
1226
00:51:39.309 --> 00:51:42.510
point where, you know, pretty much the whole day is
1227
00:51:42.590 --> 00:51:44.389
spent trying to stop her killer self.
1228
00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:49.789
Yeah, that horrible little toddling around surfing safe as age.
1229
00:51:49.829 --> 00:51:52.769
Yeah, exactly. So she's literally, you know, every day she's
1230
00:51:52.829 --> 00:51:55.230
able to do something a little bit more. And yesterday
1231
00:51:55.309 --> 00:51:58.269
we saw that she could, she's now the height to
1232
00:51:58.289 --> 00:52:00.989
be able to Get her hands on the top of
1233
00:52:01.030 --> 00:52:04.599
the sideboard and then start climbing up it.
1234
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:05.159
Oh, God.
1235
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.380
So you know that the next thing is her hands go,
1236
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.519
she falls backwards, smacks her head on the floor. Yeah.
1237
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:12.079
And now she can climb up onto the sofa, but
1238
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:13.980
she can't get down. All that kind of stuff. So
1239
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.150
you think every second you've got to be on it.
1240
00:52:17.230 --> 00:52:19.309
And that, I do physically, that's just.
1241
00:52:20.369 --> 00:52:22.710
and especially if you're going to different places like obviously
1242
00:52:22.730 --> 00:52:24.909
you know you've got a quarantine somewhere and I know
1243
00:52:24.949 --> 00:52:26.789
it's St Lucia but you're still getting used to the
1244
00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:28.030
sofa so you could be in the best place in
1245
00:52:28.050 --> 00:52:31.199
the world but if the bars are slightly too wide
1246
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.300
or like a gate your whole day's ruined until you're
1247
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.579
doing something to have it up All she's got to
1248
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.619
do is bang into the corner of a table one time.
1249
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.469
And you're not aware of the height of that table
1250
00:52:41.489 --> 00:52:43.789
because it's a new table. And then you'll go somewhere
1251
00:52:43.829 --> 00:52:45.130
else and it'll be a new apartment.
1252
00:52:45.449 --> 00:52:47.769
Exactly. So in Wales, we've got it kind of pretty
1253
00:52:47.809 --> 00:52:49.949
much sorted. We've got the gates on the doors to
1254
00:52:49.969 --> 00:52:52.849
stop her going up the stairs. you know things nothing
1255
00:52:52.889 --> 00:52:55.210
she can bump into and the cupboard door all that
1256
00:52:55.730 --> 00:52:57.789
but you know like you say yeah we're here in
1257
00:52:57.829 --> 00:53:00.489
saint lucia nothing is sorted out here so we you
1258
00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:02.139
know we've done basic things like right can we take
1259
00:53:02.179 --> 00:53:04.920
that table that table out of the room completely so
1260
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.800
there's a bit more space for it and then we
1261
00:53:06.820 --> 00:53:08.800
get to new york and then it's you know the
1262
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:10.840
same again we'll have to you know all that so
1263
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.989
yeah it's constant and because she's changing constantly as well Yeah.
1264
00:53:15.070 --> 00:53:18.010
Just don't... I'd sort of forgotten that. I'd forgotten that
1265
00:53:18.570 --> 00:53:21.889
it is literally trying to stop a killer cell.
1266
00:53:21.929 --> 00:53:24.289
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The stakes are just so high.
1267
00:53:24.349 --> 00:53:29.340
Yeah, so far. But no one quite gets to there.
1268
00:53:29.380 --> 00:53:31.719
Unless you've got a little baby at that age, you
1269
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.400
can't understand how high the stakes are all the time.
1270
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.400
And do you do that thing as well where you
1271
00:53:37.460 --> 00:53:42.099
find yourself imagining terrible things happening to your child?
1272
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:42.360
Yes.
1273
00:53:42.590 --> 00:53:46.690
It's a sort of parenting... sort of safeguard thing, I suppose.
1274
00:53:46.730 --> 00:53:49.650
I was lying there the other night and trying to
1275
00:53:49.670 --> 00:53:53.750
go to sleep. And so my daughter's room is about... Like,
1276
00:53:53.809 --> 00:53:56.409
it's like... You know when you've got, like, the kitchen
1277
00:53:56.449 --> 00:53:58.250
as an extension and then it's the room above that?
1278
00:53:58.650 --> 00:54:00.849
So it's colder than every other room in the house.
1279
00:54:01.349 --> 00:54:04.610
So it's got an electric heater in it. And I
1280
00:54:04.659 --> 00:54:07.300
was going to sleep and I thought, what if that
1281
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.820
electric heater just caught fire? And then I just.
1282
00:54:09.980 --> 00:54:12.579
And the moment I thought that, I was like... And
1283
00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:15.210
it's like... oh, well, that's it. I'm here for the
1284
00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:15.969
next hour then.
1285
00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:18.139
It's that final destination, isn't it?
1286
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:18.760
Yeah.
1287
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:24.519
Constantly thinking away. It's like this terrible horror film. Clearly,
1288
00:54:25.059 --> 00:54:26.679
from a sort of evolutionary point of view, I can
1289
00:54:26.780 --> 00:54:30.079
see that it's important as a parent to be aware
1290
00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:32.960
of dangers, overly aware of dangers, to keep your child safe.
1291
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.800
I get that. So the brain just throws these things
1292
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.739
up to make sure that you're alert all the time,
1293
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.719
isn't it? But it's like having the worst horror film
1294
00:54:41.739 --> 00:54:44.349
you could ever have because it's your child and you're
1295
00:54:44.449 --> 00:54:47.820
seeing in your head these things. Like where we are
1296
00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:49.679
in here in St. Lucia now, so where I'm talking
1297
00:54:49.699 --> 00:54:52.199
to you, outside, there's essentially a cliff drop.
1298
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:55.420
All around us. All around us.
1299
00:54:55.780 --> 00:54:58.719
And the fence is like, it's not going to stop anything.
1300
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.019
If she was to go to the edge, she'd just
1301
00:55:01.059 --> 00:55:01.519
fall through.
1302
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:04.309
I don't know how, but you've made me feel sorry
1303
00:55:04.369 --> 00:55:06.409
for you for being in St Lucia. I don't know
1304
00:55:06.449 --> 00:55:08.590
how you've done that. But I'm like, oh God, I
1305
00:55:08.630 --> 00:55:11.750
wish I'm so glad I'm not there. That's what kids
1306
00:55:11.769 --> 00:55:12.570
can do to your life.
1307
00:55:12.809 --> 00:55:13.989
You can be forced to.
1308
00:55:13.809 --> 00:55:16.250
Spend two weeks in St Lucia because of work and
1309
00:55:16.309 --> 00:55:19.550
it can still be horrific. that's how it is having kids.
1310
00:55:19.469 --> 00:55:22.519
It's so true I mean it is it's beautiful here
1311
00:55:22.539 --> 00:55:25.639
St Lucia is a beautiful place lovely people this where
1312
00:55:25.659 --> 00:55:28.079
we're staying is gorgeous you know I mean we're quarantining
1313
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:29.440
but it's lovely what.
1314
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.010
Were the other options Michael when when you got the
1315
00:55:32.139 --> 00:55:34.050
uh the document through and you saw.
1316
00:55:34.329 --> 00:55:38.449
The approved countries well I you'll you won't believe this
1317
00:55:38.829 --> 00:55:42.250
but at one point I said seriously to Anna what
1318
00:55:42.269 --> 00:55:43.010
about Jersey is.
1319
00:55:44.530 --> 00:55:46.840
That on your list that was on.
1320
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.199
The list What about Jersey? Because it's closer to Britain. Seriously,
1321
00:55:52.469 --> 00:55:55.110
do you want to go to the Caribbean and stay
1322
00:55:55.170 --> 00:56:01.489
in a resort and quarantine in? Or, this was my thinking, yeah,
1323
00:56:01.530 --> 00:56:05.050
but we know what we're doing in somewhere that's closer
1324
00:56:05.090 --> 00:56:06.639
to Britain. Because you know what it's like?
1325
00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:07.599
You go somewhere.
1326
00:56:09.340 --> 00:56:12.840
Lovely, broad, exotic, whatever. But you don't know really what
1327
00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:13.340
you're dealing with.
1328
00:56:13.579 --> 00:56:15.579
No, your products are in the shops, do you?
1329
00:56:15.619 --> 00:56:16.719
Exactly, exactly.
1330
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:18.500
And also, you can't really go out to the shops
1331
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:19.960
or go anywhere, can you? You've got to stay in
1332
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:21.239
the hotel room, is that right?
1333
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.699
Exactly, yeah. And so I was thinking, you know, if
1334
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.840
needs be, we could maybe go to a service station
1335
00:56:25.909 --> 00:56:27.469
in Jersey. I know what I'm going, I know what
1336
00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:28.250
I can get there.
1337
00:56:29.369 --> 00:56:30.929
I know what Colgate is, and I know what the
1338
00:56:30.949 --> 00:56:31.170
shelf is.
1339
00:56:31.170 --> 00:56:36.239
Exactly. But ultimately, we decided we would try and be somewhere... Well,
1340
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:38.510
we were told that this would be the best place
1341
00:56:38.530 --> 00:56:40.090
to come to because... I think they're all right.
1342
00:56:40.210 --> 00:56:40.389
Yeah.
1343
00:56:40.670 --> 00:56:42.989
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know about you, but
1344
00:56:43.989 --> 00:56:46.809
what are your feelings about flying with a little one
1345
00:56:46.889 --> 00:56:48.469
this age? Because it terrifies me.
1346
00:56:48.510 --> 00:56:50.369
Yeah, we did it once when we were desperate to
1347
00:56:50.389 --> 00:56:52.869
have a holiday, but I just think long haul is
1348
00:56:52.929 --> 00:56:54.989
a write-off until they're about three or four. It's not
1349
00:56:55.010 --> 00:56:57.179
even worth it. It's more hassle than it's worth. Obviously,
1350
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:59.679
for work, you've got to, but short flights. Like, I've
1351
00:56:59.739 --> 00:57:01.920
ten or even four hours was too long with, like,
1352
00:57:01.940 --> 00:57:02.719
an 18-month-old.
1353
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:03.519
So how was the flight?
1354
00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:05.059
So what was this, six hours, what?
1355
00:57:05.949 --> 00:57:10.929
Well, the flight here was, I think, about seven or
1356
00:57:10.969 --> 00:57:15.199
eight hours. But the thinking was, well, if we do
1357
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.719
that flight, then we want the next flight to be
1358
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:20.579
as short as possible. And that was a big reason
1359
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.260
why we came here as well, was because it'll be
1360
00:57:22.300 --> 00:57:24.219
a short flight now to New York. So to do
1361
00:57:24.260 --> 00:57:26.840
as little flying with her as possible. But that, I mean,
1362
00:57:26.869 --> 00:57:30.670
when she was a little baby and we flew... it
1363
00:57:30.690 --> 00:57:32.670
was fine because she, you know, she won't go in anywhere.
1364
00:57:32.690 --> 00:57:33.869
She just slept for most of it.
1365
00:57:33.889 --> 00:57:34.670
It was great.
1366
00:57:35.269 --> 00:57:39.320
And now she just wants to walk everywhere. And, you know,
1367
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.039
it's constant. She doesn't want to stay still at all.
1368
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:45.599
So it's really hard work. And she, you know, there
1369
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.920
are times when she just thinks, oh, I think I'll
1370
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:49.260
just scream. Yeah.
1371
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:49.780
Because....
1372
00:57:51.550 --> 00:57:54.340
That's quite fun, isn't it? I'll just scream. I've discovered
1373
00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:55.900
how to do it. So I'll do it over and
1374
00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:59.280
over again. The other day on the plane, she, I think,
1375
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.909
because we're so like hypersensitive to other people on the
1376
00:58:02.929 --> 00:58:04.570
plane going, because you know what it's like. I've done
1377
00:58:04.610 --> 00:58:07.230
it myself. You're a kid screaming. You're like, oh God.
1378
00:58:07.809 --> 00:58:09.710
And so the thought of other people doing that. And
1379
00:58:09.730 --> 00:58:12.590
I think something happened. She made a noise. I went bugger.
1380
00:58:12.869 --> 00:58:17.780
And then she went bugger, bugger, bugger. Over and over again.
1381
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:19.099
Oh, God.
1382
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:20.300
This is a nightmare.
1383
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:23.309
Also, a swear word that I haven't heard anyone use
1384
00:58:23.510 --> 00:58:24.550
in 20 years, Michael.
1385
00:58:24.889 --> 00:58:28.349
No one's used the word bugger. Also, I don't think,
1386
00:58:28.769 --> 00:58:31.909
the annoying thing with Fly Over Kid is, it doesn't matter, like,
1387
00:58:31.989 --> 00:58:34.289
where you sit on that plane, all you're doing is
1388
00:58:34.329 --> 00:58:36.510
walking up and down the aisle holding their hand. You
1389
00:58:36.550 --> 00:58:38.699
might as well not. I don't think they should make
1390
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:41.199
you buy a seat. They should just go, it's 50
1391
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:42.960
quid each, because you won't be sat down.
1392
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.900
Because it's laps. You're going to be doing laps.
1393
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.820
And you're off the morale of the plane, everyone looking
1394
00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:51.599
at you going, thank God that's not me.
1395
00:58:52.019 --> 00:58:52.219
Yeah.
1396
00:58:53.780 --> 00:58:56.110
When she when we went to Greece and I think
1397
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.550
it was three hours or whatever when she needed her
1398
00:58:58.610 --> 00:59:01.090
nappy changing it was the best bit for me because
1399
00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:03.949
I was like this is five minutes where we're doing
1400
00:59:04.030 --> 00:59:07.469
something so there's actually a task and we're in an
1401
00:59:07.530 --> 00:59:12.380
enclosed space so whatever happens i'm not pissing anyone off
1402
00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:15.800
except the people curing.
1403
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.519
I went to tenerife when i went to tenerife um
1404
00:59:18.139 --> 00:59:20.199
lou had the eldest who wasn't very well was asleep
1405
00:59:20.260 --> 00:59:23.099
on her so i had a 14 month old that
1406
00:59:23.139 --> 00:59:25.969
i should hold at arm's length the entire flight right
1407
00:59:26.309 --> 00:59:28.809
And it was all like really small, narrow little plane.
1408
00:59:28.829 --> 00:59:30.550
Hold her, baby, like that. And then I was like,
1409
00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:31.710
I need to go to the toilet. And then Lou
1410
00:59:31.929 --> 00:59:33.070
was like, we're just going to have to take her
1411
00:59:33.110 --> 00:59:34.610
with you. I can't have her as well. So I
1412
00:59:34.610 --> 00:59:36.980
literally was just, so I sat down. Because first of all,
1413
00:59:36.989 --> 00:59:38.510
I tried to hold her and wee. And I went back.
1414
00:59:38.900 --> 00:59:40.519
And then when I needed to go again, Lou was like,
1415
00:59:40.539 --> 00:59:41.960
why don't you just sit down? I was like, oh, yeah,
1416
00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:44.199
I forgot you can do that. Because I had to blow.
1417
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:46.900
So anyway, I sat down holding her and she was
1418
00:59:46.940 --> 00:59:49.260
eating a bit of French baguette and then the plane
1419
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.139
started rocking the thing when I was like, oh, quickly.
1420
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.429
So I was rushing, pulled my trousers up and I
1421
00:59:53.469 --> 00:59:56.449
went back to sit down. Oh, that feels uncomfortable. And
1422
00:59:56.469 --> 00:59:59.010
then she was going, bread, bread, where's my bread? She
1423
00:59:59.070 --> 01:00:00.690
dropped her baguette in my pants.
1424
01:00:00.789 --> 01:00:02.190
I had half a French dick up my arse.
1425
01:00:02.289 --> 01:00:06.159
But I couldn't get at it because I was holding
1426
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.300
a kid and I just sat there like that with
1427
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:10.039
bread up my arse.
1428
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.260
No, doctor, that is what happened. That is how the
1429
01:00:13.300 --> 01:00:17.300
French baguette got up my arse. I know it sounds unbelievable.
1430
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.159
The worst yeast infection I've ever had in my life.
1431
01:00:21.630 --> 01:00:25.750
Now, you raise an interesting point, which is going to
1432
01:00:26.170 --> 01:00:30.230
public bathrooms with your child, if your child is not
1433
01:00:30.409 --> 01:00:33.800
of the same gender as you. Now, we haven't got
1434
01:00:33.820 --> 01:00:36.840
to that point, obviously, with Lyra yet. but I remember
1435
01:00:36.860 --> 01:00:40.559
that with Lily, and that becomes a bit complicated, doesn't it,
1436
01:00:40.579 --> 01:00:43.059
at a certain point? Going into, he needs to go
1437
01:00:43.099 --> 01:00:45.199
to the bathroom, she's with you, you have to take
1438
01:00:45.219 --> 01:00:47.909
her into the gents' toilet. At what point is that
1439
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.030
just not appropriate anymore? All that kind of stuff.
1440
01:00:51.150 --> 01:00:53.369
I don't make her use urinal anymore. We go into
1441
01:00:53.389 --> 01:00:57.090
a chemical. LAUGHTER But yeah, I know what you mean, though,
1442
01:00:57.110 --> 01:01:00.510
because now she's a five, the eldest. She's sort of
1443
01:01:00.530 --> 01:01:02.570
a little bit older, but then I can't just make
1444
01:01:02.610 --> 01:01:04.849
Lou take them out, because if no one else is there,
1445
01:01:04.869 --> 01:01:07.210
you've got to take them in, haven't you? But my
1446
01:01:07.250 --> 01:01:10.730
youngest is obsessed with my bits, where she's like, I'm
1447
01:01:10.750 --> 01:01:12.739
having a wee, she'll run in, and she's like, oh,
1448
01:01:12.789 --> 01:01:15.949
it looks like a furry poo-poo. And I'm like, oh,
1449
01:01:16.010 --> 01:01:17.510
my God.
1450
01:01:19.300 --> 01:01:22.280
I remember going with Lily, and I had to go
1451
01:01:22.300 --> 01:01:25.199
and buy a pair of trousers somewhere, and she was
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01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:28.679
with me. And we went down to the shop on
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01:01:28.699 --> 01:01:31.360
the high street where we were. And there was just
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01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:34.199
this one little sort of, it wasn't even a cubicle really.
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01:01:34.219 --> 01:01:36.059
It was just like a curtain you could pull across
1456
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.030
at the back of the shop with all the stock
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01:01:38.070 --> 01:01:40.670
at the back or something. And it was tiny. And
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01:01:41.570 --> 01:01:43.869
I just had to try these trousers on quickly. And
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01:01:43.929 --> 01:01:45.989
so I remember bringing Lily in with me and she
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01:01:46.030 --> 01:01:49.519
must have been about, about three or four at the
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01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.230
time maybe and yes and going through that period where
1462
01:01:52.269 --> 01:01:56.030
she's like if she catches you changing at home she's
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01:01:56.050 --> 01:01:58.570
like hello what's what's going on there what's that yeah
1464
01:01:58.809 --> 01:02:02.590
what you know becoming slightly obsessive about that yeah and
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01:02:02.610 --> 01:02:06.480
i remember being in this cubicle Trying to change my
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01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.139
trousers with her in this very confined space. And I
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01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.199
couldn't leave her outside. You know, there's no one to
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01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:12.989
look after her. So I had to be in there
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01:02:13.010 --> 01:02:16.789
with her. And I'm trying to change my trousers. And
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01:02:16.849 --> 01:02:20.869
she just started to try and poke me. And she
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01:02:20.889 --> 01:02:23.079
thought it was a game. And she's laughing. And I'm going,
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01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:24.119
stop that. Don't touch that.
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01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:25.199
Stop it.
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01:02:25.780 --> 01:02:28.679
And I was just thinking, what are they thinking is
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01:02:28.699 --> 01:02:30.500
going on? Her side just.
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01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.929
It was horrendous. And I think I, on purpose, then
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01:02:34.969 --> 01:02:37.179
after that, always tried to make sure that I was
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01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:41.030
never in that position again. It was so worrying to
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01:02:41.050 --> 01:02:41.469
be to.
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01:02:41.590 --> 01:02:44.269
Yeah, it makes you feel so awkward. It does. That
1481
01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:46.849
20-year gap where, like, you can just buy that online now.
1482
01:02:47.369 --> 01:02:50.909
Online shopping must have changed parenting. Imagine doing the big
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01:02:50.969 --> 01:02:54.369
shop in a supermarket with, like, two or three kids. Like,
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01:02:54.409 --> 01:02:57.090
now you can order it online. My mum still talks
1485
01:02:57.110 --> 01:02:58.849
to me about that, like, you're a big shop when
1486
01:02:58.889 --> 01:03:00.510
I used to take all three of you to the shop.
1487
01:03:00.530 --> 01:03:04.610
Imagine three kids hanging on to your... Oh, my God.
1488
01:03:04.969 --> 01:03:06.780
All of them trying to sit in that bit in
1489
01:03:06.820 --> 01:03:07.219
the front bit.
1490
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:08.380
Yeah, all arguing about the seat.
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01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.679
LAUGHTER When you're in that first kind of year and
1492
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.420
you'll be, it'll be 2am and there'll be some disaster
1493
01:03:15.460 --> 01:03:18.469
going on and you'll go, we're just going to buy
1494
01:03:18.510 --> 01:03:20.170
that thing we need online now.
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01:03:20.730 --> 01:03:22.489
We're just going to do that.
1496
01:03:22.590 --> 01:03:24.690
And it'll make us feel better now to know that
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01:03:24.730 --> 01:03:26.949
that's going to arrive at the door in 48 hours
1498
01:03:27.030 --> 01:03:27.469
or whatever.
1499
01:03:27.489 --> 01:03:29.829
The thought of being.
1500
01:03:29.630 --> 01:03:32.079
At 2am and going, Oh God, I'm going to have
1501
01:03:32.099 --> 01:03:34.510
to go into town tomorrow and try and find a, a,
1502
01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:36.760
Dehumidifier or whatever.
1503
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:37.380
Yeah.
1504
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.840
Well, it's a 24-hour pharmacy. The 24-hour pharmacy was a
1505
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:43.320
saving grace when I was a kid. My mum and
1506
01:03:43.340 --> 01:03:45.059
dad would go, I'll just drive. I remember being in
1507
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:46.099
the back of a car and my mum had to
1508
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.139
drive to a 24-hour pharmacy for something when shops weren't
1509
01:03:49.260 --> 01:03:51.239
open late. That was the only thing open at like
1510
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:51.929
11 at night.
1511
01:03:52.530 --> 01:03:53.570
Yeah.
1512
01:03:53.630 --> 01:03:58.869
Fucking hell. Having said that, having almost the opposite extreme
1513
01:03:59.710 --> 01:04:04.230
happen during that first lockdown where we were like, we
1514
01:04:04.289 --> 01:04:07.510
need Calpol because she is now teething and she's going
1515
01:04:07.530 --> 01:04:10.639
through a really rough patch with the teething. We've run
1516
01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:14.000
out of Calpol and all the supermarkets, it's gone because
1517
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.119
people have just bulk bought it during the lockdown. I'm thinking,
1518
01:04:18.340 --> 01:04:23.010
hang on, this is like 2020 and we can't buy Calpol.
1519
01:04:23.110 --> 01:04:27.150
I'm driving around every chemist in South Wales. LAUGHTER no
1520
01:04:27.550 --> 01:04:30.809
no no no no that is gone and then like
1521
01:04:30.949 --> 01:04:33.719
seeing that there's no nappies left in the supermarket or
1522
01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:37.699
no you know that was crazy because you're absolutely right but.
1523
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.719
Don't pretend michael accessible you weren't thinking this is going
1524
01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:42.380
to be a three-hour drive when i'm on my own
1525
01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:43.760
this is absolutely.
1526
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.829
Perfect yeah sorry anna i'm gonna have to go to
1527
01:04:47.869 --> 01:04:52.130
cardiff now No, they haven't got anything. Nothing at all.
1528
01:04:52.150 --> 01:04:53.230
Should be home by morning.
1529
01:04:53.610 --> 01:04:54.250
Yeah.
1530
01:04:54.650 --> 01:04:58.610
I'm just stopping off for a pasty at Greg's at
1531
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.039
Lee Delamare Services.
1532
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:03.400
I'm on my way to London. It says they've got
1533
01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:05.760
some in commentary online, so I'm going to drop a bit.
1534
01:05:07.269 --> 01:05:09.820
Rob, you always like to end with the same question.
1535
01:05:10.219 --> 01:05:13.219
Yes. Is there anything your partner does parenting wise that
1536
01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:15.260
sort of frustrates you a little bit? You don't really
1537
01:05:15.300 --> 01:05:17.360
agree with, but you can't really say it. It's maybe
1538
01:05:17.389 --> 01:05:20.070
only a little small thing because it would prompt an argument.
1539
01:05:20.110 --> 01:05:22.750
But if your partner did listen to this, they might go, oh,
1540
01:05:22.769 --> 01:05:25.469
that's a fair point, actually. But you can't say it
1541
01:05:25.510 --> 01:05:28.230
face to face about it. ruining an evening.
1542
01:05:28.070 --> 01:05:30.510
Everyone's tired you don't want to say it face to face.
1543
01:05:30.369 --> 01:05:34.510
Yeah exactly for me it's tidy time Lou will occasionally
1544
01:05:34.530 --> 01:05:36.010
even though the house is a mess and we're just
1545
01:05:36.110 --> 01:05:38.449
clearing a path to get to bed she'll just go
1546
01:05:38.730 --> 01:05:40.210
oh no it should be tidy now and tell me
1547
01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:42.530
off for making a mess even though no one's agreed
1548
01:05:42.550 --> 01:05:47.219
this new tidy time technique is there anything that uh
1549
01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:49.909
springs to mind Obviously, she's an incredible mother.
1550
01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:51.570
Let's take this around.
1551
01:05:52.090 --> 01:05:56.170
I mean, it is genuinely very hard to think of anything.
1552
01:05:56.590 --> 01:06:01.909
I suppose, and this isn't with her specifically, this is
1553
01:06:01.949 --> 01:06:05.320
something that is a bit of a bugbear generally, that
1554
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.139
if something is happening, if the baby's doing something, or
1555
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.940
if someone else's baby is doing something, and so it's
1556
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:14.909
more other people really, but when you see someone say,
1557
01:06:14.929 --> 01:06:17.199
you know, don't do that or trying to stop the
1558
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:19.909
child from doing something that they, you know, that's annoying
1559
01:06:19.989 --> 01:06:22.690
or whatever it is. And you say stop it, and
1560
01:06:22.710 --> 01:06:24.289
they don't stop it, and stop, stop it, and then
1561
01:06:24.329 --> 01:06:26.989
they just give up. That I always kind of go,
1562
01:06:27.010 --> 01:06:30.429
hang on, you're just teaching the child that that way
1563
01:06:30.469 --> 01:06:33.130
of doing things works. You're going to, like, that's going
1564
01:06:33.150 --> 01:06:35.199
to be a lot harder for you down the line.
1565
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.920
And I do it myself as well. But, you know,
1566
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:40.760
so I suppose it's only that when I, if I
1567
01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:44.139
see Anna, you know, trying to stop Lyra from doing
1568
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:47.070
something because it's, you know, it's either... it's either going
1569
01:06:47.090 --> 01:06:50.010
to be something that she might, she hasn't hurt herself
1570
01:06:50.050 --> 01:06:52.369
doing it yet, but she might hurt herself doing it,
1571
01:06:52.889 --> 01:06:56.170
or it's annoying and all that. I suppose it's that, really.
1572
01:06:56.409 --> 01:06:59.559
But we both do that. We've all done it.
1573
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:01.800
We've all done it, but we know also that it
1574
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.880
is the worst parenting crime in the long term, I think.
1575
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.380
Especially if they make a joke about it, when they go, oh,
1576
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:09.400
he won't listen to me, will he? Bloody hell, roll
1577
01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:12.329
his eyes. Don't roll your eyes, just keep telling them.
1578
01:07:12.349 --> 01:07:16.519
Yeah. And it's obviously something that she would say about
1579
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:18.159
me as well. But it's when you're the one who's
1580
01:07:18.219 --> 01:07:21.619
not doing it and you see it happening, you're like, no,
1581
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:23.000
that's not good. That's not good.
1582
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.920
Just come on, stick to your guns, you pussy. Come on.
1583
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:26.820
Don't let them.
1584
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:28.590
Beat us.
1585
01:07:28.590 --> 01:07:28.800
Yes.
1586
01:07:29.110 --> 01:07:30.170
This is a war.
1587
01:07:30.190 --> 01:07:33.869
You've got to wear them down. They can be only one.
1588
01:07:36.170 --> 01:07:39.010
Michael Sheen, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you very much.
1589
01:07:39.369 --> 01:07:40.730
Enjoy your flights.
1590
01:07:40.769 --> 01:07:43.019
Good luck with work in America and all that.
1591
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.699
Thank you. And see you soon for us to reenact
1592
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:48.679
some other classic film scenes together.
1593
01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:49.539
Exactly.
1594
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.239
Fingers crossed.
1595
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:51.300
See you later, Michael.
1596
01:07:51.340 --> 01:07:51.969
Thank you very much.
1597
01:07:52.030 --> 01:07:52.550
All the best.
1598
01:07:52.610 --> 01:07:53.630
Cheers. Ta-da.