Oh Behave - Episode 578 When Disaster Strikes, Who Rescues the Pets?

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It's all Behaved with Arden More, this show that teaches
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better understand why cats and dogs do what they do.
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You'll get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and Tails Garner,
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great pet tips and have a dog one per flying
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fun time. So get ready for the paws and applause
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as we unleash your oh Behave hosts America's pet ed
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You tainer Arden More.
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Hey, pet pals, Welcome to the O Behave Show on
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Pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden Moore. Now I
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want you to picture these scenarios. Home alone pets needing
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to be pulled from a house fire, A horse trailer overturns.
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On the highway.
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Scared but overly protective dog prevents first responders from giving
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medical aid to that dog's person. What's the game plan
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for these scenarios. Who's going to step in and safely
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help well? Our special guest is leading a very powerful
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effort that dispatches trained veterinary crews who team up with
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first responders to these scenes and more. He is the
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executive director of what is called First Responders Veterinary Network.
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Please welcome to our show, a new and much needed
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type of pet.
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Hero, Doctor Lee Mack Welcome. Welcome to our show, Doctor.
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Mac Hey Arden, thanks for having me.
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All right, so we're going to find out what does
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his group do to save the lives of pets and animals.
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You're gonna find out, but you all know the drill.
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You gotta sit, stay, We'll be right back.
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Time for a pause.
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back with more tail wagging ways to achieve harmony of
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With your pets.
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Now back to your fetching host, America's pet ed You
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tainer Ardenmore.
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Welcome back to the old Behave show on pet Life Radio.
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I'm your host, Ardenmore. My special guest today is doctor
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Lee Mack. He heads up a group called First Responders
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Veterinary Network.
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Can I call you Lee?
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You can?
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You can call me Arden. Okay, that's a mouthful.
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Lee, Please explain what is this group all about?
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So yeah, I'll go back a little bit my history.
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So I was on the South Carolina State Guard as
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civil Affairs for two years and we did disaster relief
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at the state level. So it is all humanitarian response planning,
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very ups dream, you know, working with co ads and ads,
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volunteer organizations, organizations, and so we planned that the state
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level four disasters, you know, earthquakes, and believe it or not,
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South Carolina does have earthquakes and the hurricanes. So did
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a lot of FEMA training with that, and also in Tennessee,
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moved to Iowa to take our elderly parents. Found myself
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volunteering for local fire department, and over the course of
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a year and a half, I noticed there are some
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gaps in not intent, but in just capacity and bandwidth. Right,
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So you have this volunteer that now has to go
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through firefighter one, which is one hundred and eighty two
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hundred hours something like that, and then hazmat training is
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now part of that. That's a hard course for a
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lot of folks. And then they kind of want you
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to be emt at least, so that's a whole thing.
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So then you know, to really pile on anything relating
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to any kind of domesticated animals is just too much
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bandwidth to expect out of. You know, even a firefighter
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is going to be you know, taxed to do all that.
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So you're kind of relying on like, well, we got
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a firefighter here that's that's got cattle. He's a farmer, rancher,
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he knows his way around cattle. So if we can
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you know hopefully he's on that call, right, or you
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got that's the person. Yeah, you got a person. Well,
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it used to be a VET tech before it became
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an EMT or something. You might get lucky there. But
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years ago they used to have a bart and cart
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kind of at a county level and sometimes at a
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state level, like fifteen years ago, where they'd have an
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antal response team. Right, was this just an Iowa It
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was in Iowa, but there's other pockets of it throughout
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the nation, and it just kind of fell by the wayside.
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There wasn't there was no you know, continuation of that.
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And then we have about you know, fourteen or fifteen
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groups that do disaster response, i e. Large events like
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you know the hurricanes, come in day or two after
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the event, help with a lot of stuff. AVMA does that.
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The American Medical Says Station has about four hundred physicians
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veterinarians trained in that. And there was this gap of
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you know, oh, there's a there's an incident.
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You know, I'm getting PAIGD. I can be there in
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ten minutes.
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So there was really this gap of animals you know,
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needing to be taken care of while you know, other firefighters,
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you know, officers, EMT's paramedics are taking care of the humans,
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doing extrication, potentially putting out a vehicle fire, that kind
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of stuff, or a structure fires. So it's kind of afterthought.
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But I looked at this and I thought, you know,
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I looked at a lot of NFPA guidelines, which is
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for fire departments. I looked a lot of FEMA stuff
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this past winner, and there's kind of a niche in
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a special medical responder, and a special medical responder can
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be adopted into these different organizations as not a firefighter,
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not an EMT. But you know, this is your lane.
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You're a doctor veterinary medicine, so you're the pinnacle of
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care right You're you're not going to have anybody that
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knows anything else beyond you know, your doctor veterinary medicine.
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So that's the best possible situation you could have on
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scene right now.
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Would this include also a venary text too, Yeah? That
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be with Could they accompany the vet?
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Yeah, and a lot of vets are talking about it.
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We have one vet in Minnesota. She's just getting started
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with a department. And I won't even give any details
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because I don't want to throw anything off. But you know,
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she's like, yeah, I'm gonna take my vet tech with me.
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And you know, just like they're responsible for the vet
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tech in the office, they're responsible for that person on
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scene because the vet tech just doesn't have the licensing
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to practice medicine, so they have to be with a
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veterinary doctor. There's some states that have some nuances. I
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won't get into all the details.
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On that so for our public, because that's why I
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don't want to dive too deep into this. You're seeing
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a need and first responders are strapped right, and you're
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trying to reach out.
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This is a big mission.
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Do we put in the Mission Impossible theme song from
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Tom Cruise here right here? But you are taking on
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a mountain of a mission.
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It started at a state concept and I just thought,
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you know, there's too much interest outside of Iowa, and
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it's there's a lot more opportunity. I'll just make a
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nationwide and kind of see how it goes. But you know,
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you look at it and the numbers we've backed into.
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If you look at all the NVC's motor vehicle collisions,
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and you look at the amount of people travel with
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their dogs and pats. You know, truck drivers, right, commercial
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drivers are people and just people you know, like like me,
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I was all my Pyrenees, you know, across multiple states
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and you know I travel with her and if we
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got in an accident, what's going to happen to her?
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You know, she's going to hit the back of the seat.
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You know, you're not going to strap a pyrenees in
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most Dodger's not going to strap them into three point
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harness and have them sit there all day. So you
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have to look at what happens this dog in this
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kind of incident. So they're going to take me to
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the hospital, right, and now you have what do we
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do with the dog? And that's predominantly a lot of it.
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It's we backed in the numbers of three million a year.
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Three million accidents that have a pet involved in the
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issue in some way.
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That's structure fires, that's livestock vehicles, that's horse trailers, that's
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you know, you're driving down the road to the vet
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and you get an accident. You know, maybe it's a
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fender bender, but you still have a dog in vehicle.
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This is really kind of chilling.
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I thought it was too thirty to forty and kind
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of like some other numbers, and we started to get
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more and more data and started looking at it and like, well,
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there hasn't been any direct data connected. You kind of
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have to back in the number like how many people
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take their dogs on long trips, how many commercial drivers
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have dogs in their vehicles, and how many how many
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MVCs do you have a year, and you can kind
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of extrapolate out that kind of number. In Iowa, we
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just had two horse trailer wrecks that were, you know,
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on the news in last week.
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Let's get that emphasized last week at the year last
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week in.
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The countryside of Iowa, not even in a built up area.
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So the way it would work is you take a
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VET and you have them associated with the fire department.
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They create some SOPs. Maybe it's more of a separate
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relationship where you know they're just part of the CAD system.
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They are on the CAD system. The volunteer fire departments
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know about them, so they can be paid. Right now,
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people sit there and go through their phone and who.
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Do I know?
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So you got a fire fire captain on seeing going
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who do I know? Who does dispatch know? Maybe we
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can call them, get a hold of them, but this
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would allow them to be part of that nine to
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one one network if they're really more integrated in the department.
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They kind of train with them on you know extrication,
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like where do I fit into this scene? And you
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know they're part of the group, and you know, they
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train with them, work with them a little bit. But
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they just go on the calls with the with the
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animals involved, and basically they can roll up directly on scene,
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especially for our large animal vets that have the vet
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boxes right, they have all the all the stuff in
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there for a large animals and they roll up, go
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up to the we call it the incident commander whoever
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the officer is in charge of the scene, and say, hey,
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I'm the vet, where do you need me?
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What's going on?
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And they're designed to stand the green zone cool zone,
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just like the empts and the paramedics and the.
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Tow truck drivers women for us poor novice, regular people.
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What's the green zone, it's.
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The cool zone.
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So if you have a structure fire, it's it's past
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you know, obviously reds right by it or interior yellow
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is you're you're just positioned outside.
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Green zone is a safe.
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Zone, Okay, so they're they're operating in the safe zone
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and just like like I said that EMTs and a
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paramedics you know, you're firefighter will bring them out.
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Then they'll start working on them.
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But you know, on the other side of this, you know,
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it's one let if you think about it from their side.
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As an incident commander, I got an expert on on scene.
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Now they've trained with some you know, FEMA train for ICs.
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They know what's going on, you know, how the how
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the scene works, they know where to be. And then
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once they take the animal, I don't have to worry
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about it, you know, that's one thing I have to do,
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you know less. Now I can focus on the people.
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I can focus on the scene and what's going on
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if I got HASMAT going. So we see it as
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a really interesting thing. And we got a national article
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done on us with aaha, oh good the Animal Hospital
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Association and I yeah, thirty five that's interested thirty techs.
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do it free. So if it's if it's personal, they
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don't want to charge. So we're not charging. So you know,
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we're going out with three thousand dollars worth of stuff,
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somewhere between twenty five one hundred and three thousand worth.
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protection equipment and then the gear and the drugs and
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everything else to address most trauma cases, oxygen tank, you know.
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for a commercial for like a livestock turnover, that'd be ethical.
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personal vehicles, your your audience, your people that are traveling
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with a dog or a cat or you know, they're
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got the horses and the trailer and they're going to
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you know, a show or something like that. So the
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Well let me step in because this is pretty chilling, Lee,
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because you have people, I know a lot of good
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people that go to agility, dog agility, and they're going
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up and down nine ninety five on the East Coast
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to go to these shows. I just spent three days
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and they don't want to be lonely truck drivers. They
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need some companionships. So they've got somebody riding shotgun that
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has four legs. So this is this is such a
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major situation that hasn't really been properly organized and addressed.
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when we come back, we're going to dive in a
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little bit more into why we need first responders, vetinary
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network with our guests doctor Lee Mack. So sit, stay,
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don't hank that truck horn.
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Welcome back to the old Behaved show on pet Life Radio.
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I'm your host, Arden Moore. Our special guest is doctor
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Lee Mack. Now, before he keeps going, he's gonna make
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you wish that you would never compete against him in
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a Jeopardy tournament. That is because he's got alphabet soup
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after his name. You want to quickly tell people some
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of your credentials.
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Well, I was going to say I went back to
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medical school in midlife. I was in corporate America before
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I'll try to keep it specific to the topic. Trained
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as on a Caribbean school use at Montserrat. It is
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cost effective.
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So you've got a medical degree.
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Yeah, I'm an MD, and then kind of got pushed
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and shamed into a PhD.
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Along the way.
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And what's that in nanotechnology for medicine. So I did
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part of my training at University of Oxford in England,
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and then I went back and did trauma plastics training.
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You know what PhD stands for.
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Don't you, hir and.
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Deeper awesome, pretty happy dog.
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So I came out of that went back into corporate medicine.
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All this, I'll just put it that way. Clinical research
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mainly device wound care, gosh, medical lasers, some nanotech, some
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value ins to extend the efficacy of botox, and some
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other stuff.
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You can google it.
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Well, let me ask you this, because this is making
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my brain hurt. What does doctor Lee Mack do for fun?
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Oh? What do I do for fun?
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Books and medical wells?
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Spend time with my kids, you know, my daughters. I
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have a younger daughter, I have adult kids, and this
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week we went to Adventureland and you know, just sit
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out and hang out. So I would say traveling with
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families probably our biggest one. I do have some fly
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fishing stuff, and you have some archery, and I do
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try to shoot long distance, but you know not it
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doesn't happen often.
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What do you like to do with Ella? Your dog?
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Ah?
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Ella Ella is actually we bought her from my mom
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and mom passed away in April. We bought her last summer.
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It's an Anatolian shepherd. So for people who don't know
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what Anatolian is, this dog's personality is like a malanoa.
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But she's kind of dorky. She's high energy, but she's
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a goof.
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Sounds like some people I used to date.
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Yeah, she still has that shepherd kind of mentality in
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a lot of ways. But interesting dogs. They have double
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do claws for your listeners, which is kind of unique.
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You know, most people think Pyrenees. But yeah, but interesting dog.
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How old is she?
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She is probably two and a half adopted. I've had
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four Pyrenees before that, three females.
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Do man, I really like the little dogs, don't you.
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I do. Actually I like pugs.
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Oh, pugs.
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Pugs are cool.
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You know.
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Pugs can swim.
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Wow with their body density, I thought they would drop
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like a rock.
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Actually, I had a girlfriend years ago and they had
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a pug and we used to swim it in the
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inground pool at night. And it's low impact, so they
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don't have the weight to lose weight, so they don't
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have the joint impact. They were just doing like two
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three wists and then she got up to doing like
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six lengths and she would just go right along and
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lost weight, gotten shape. They don't overheat because if you
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do it at night, they're in the water and they
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just keeps them cool, so they don't have the overheating thing.
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You really can't deal with the nasal faar andngeal issues.
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Oh come on, snort me baby, Well yeah that's true.
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But you love animals, you want to help people, and
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you're in America's heartlands. So you're back in Iowa. My
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wife's family is all from the Quad City, so I
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go to Iowa a lot. And how come you don't
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have a pro sport team there?
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What's the deal? You guys are big sports guys.
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I don't know.
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I think it comes down to the money, you know.
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I mean, those things aren't cheap. But I don't follow
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sports too much, but I would deduce that it seems
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like you have to have states with a north of
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five million at least, and I think I was submitt three.
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Yeah, So getting back to this, you know, I'm a
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Master instructor in PET first State and CPR. I teach
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veterinary approved classes for different levels, including EMTs and paramedics,
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and it's always an interchange of ideas because I think
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to be good you need to be both a student
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and a teacher. You can't be a know it all.
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And I know a lot of the EMTs and paramedics
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that I trained to become instructors in pet first state.
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That just remark like, we finally got an oxygen masks
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for pets, and it's got to be in different sizes.
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We recognize that, Oh my gosh, cats are like five
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weapons of mass destruction coming at you with flexible spines
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if they're scared. So they make for special challenges. But
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you know, there's many first responders that love animals and
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it sounds like you're trying to fill in that gap
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and that's a big mission.
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Yeah, we've kind of talked about this is and I'm
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not going to you know, we're not gonna tell the
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vets what to do. You know, they're volunteers. But you know,
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my suggestion is if you find a department where you know,
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or or departments around you from mutual aid that they're
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interested in learning it, d mts and paramedics or whoever's
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interested in learning it. I'm not an expert in CME
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for veterinary, but you know, I think they could have
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race probably approve CMEs for teaching those people some baseline
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first aid and rescue of the animals if they wanted to.
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Because it's a total different deal doing first aid on
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the scene. For an animal than it is if you're
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in the clinic where you got everything they are and
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a staff, right.
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It is, and a lot of stuff we're taking. You've
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probably seen TC three TC you know, trauma combat casually
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care for canines. Yes, that was developed by d D.
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But that's only canines, you know, you don't have all
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the other species evolved in stuff. So it's kind of
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it's kind of tough, but yeah, I think there's a
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niche for this. It's really interesting because one retired vet
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that is you know, I've had conversations with he said
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that he is he's seen dogs go from backyard in
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the house, living room and.
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Now the bedroom right, and now they're doing their taxes
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for their two leggers.
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Yeah, right, as you have these different you know, you
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have these people spending some big money on animals. You
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know what warm bloods are what fifty seventy k now
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and we won't even get in the seven figure thoroughbreds.
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And then a lot of people are spending what mid
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fours on dogs.
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Well I'll just tell you, doctor Lee Mack, I just
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spent six thousand dollars to get my pet first aid dog, Kna,
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a terrier who blew out o acl a brand new knee.
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Yeah, and you know the TPLOs and ttas and all
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that stuff.
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Not to get into all that.
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I get a buddy that teaches that worldwide, and they're
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not cheap surgeries.
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They're right.
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There's six eight thousand, and we have pet insurance now
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for ten So did we have that in the eighties.
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Absolutely not. You know, people weren't spending that kind of money.
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So I think the shift has happened, and maybe COVID
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kind of pushed it more that even more that way
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where the dog is now more part of your family.
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But I think that's what's really kind of created. I
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guess the desire for pet owners to have something like this, well, yeah.
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They've done studies too, Male Clinic and others that show
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the very many benefits of having a pet mentally, physically,
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you know, reducing stress and all that other It's not
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anecdotal anymore. They actually have good, long term, big studies.
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So I just you know, I always used to joke
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that I want the younger generations to create a nationwide
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pet ambulance service.
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In some degree, this is a little bit.
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Of what you're trying to do.
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But you're trying to do it when oh happens in
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a big way, and you've.
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Got to have a network. That's a lot of work,
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doctor Lee.
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It is.
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And if you run the numbers, what do we have
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thirty one hundred counties.
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We're doing it by county.
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In that country.
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G yeah, yeah, give or take and so like of that,
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maybe twenty five twenty six hundred are populated, you know, Okay,
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And so you're never going get anybody out in you know,
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Central Wyoming probably, you know, right, but you may and Jackson,
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you may in Cheyenne. So we're looking at it initially
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on where people are willing, you know, the areas that
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the vets are willing to go or they're We talked
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about Iowa.
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What's another area that's shown some interest.
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We got one vet in that's dialed in and he's
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in South Bend, Indiana. He's already working with state with
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the police police dogs. We have another veterinarian who's already
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a firefighter in Westchester County in New York. So you know,
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that's kind of the first. I won't mention his name,
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but you know, that's the first one we're probably doing. Minnesota.
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We got a few. Texas is is big, but it's
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also big because it takes you know, a lot to
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IDENTI and that kind of thing. We think Florida's gonna
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be gonna be big, but you know, ideally it's gonna
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take years. In a couple of years, you know, probably
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start to focus on starting to link up, like, okay,
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where's the biggest incidents? Oh, it's on ninety five. Let's
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focus on pockets down ninety five. Let's focus on pockets
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across eighty. Let's you know it ten.
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You know I'm never gonna play you in a game
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of chess. I mean seriously, dude, you're very just complicated.
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But you did touch on something earlier and you said
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that the American Veterinary Medical Association has about four hundred
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venarians trained for disaster. Yes, is there some way you
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can team up with them?
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We are in talks now.
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Okay, Well we just had the president on our show.
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Now the term expired and we're getting the next new president,
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so maybe I mean a nudge.
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Yeah, yeah, there's a new person. The gentleman that was
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handling it has retired as of June thirtieth. The new
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person came on. I'm kind of hanging back and she
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gets But I have meetings with both of them and
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they do disaster response. But you know, it came out
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of that initial conversation was as we build our network. Okay,
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so imagine if you had five vetinarians across I ninety
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five and you.
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Know wherever, right county or whatever, Yeah.
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Yeah, North let's say North Carolina and they get hit
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by a hurricane. If we have five counties and I
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got five vets in each that are volunteering, I got
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twenty five vets that are now part of the nine
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to one one CAD system. They have a jump bag
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with all the equipment to do small animal and they
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are already trained in instidant command. They've already been kind
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of on scenes, so they kind of you know, know
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the players, they know how it works. Could we use
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that network for disaster response? Yes, yeah, So it's it's
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kind of a win that you got, you know, assets
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in place that you could just make part of that
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response for the state level EMS system and go, you know,
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we have this so in the Joint Operation Command, that's
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an asset that they could pull in and for whatever
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they were trying to do.
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We do want to make sure people know how to
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follow what's going on, So what's the best way for
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them to learn more about the First Responders vetinary network.
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So it's FRVN dot org, okay, and they can go
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to site. We do donations on zephi. We got a
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few campaigns going which is helpful, very small presidence on facebooks.
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If you have Facebook and you can push this out
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and you got a bunch of followers, that would be great.
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I bet you do. Yeah.
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So we're and volunteers. We need volunteers for we have
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one lady. It's really accomplished at national level for corporate
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and that kind of stuff, but we still need people
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to help with donations, need someone for marketing, social media logistics.
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So you don't have to be a VET to volunteer.
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We can definitely use you in the back office, so
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to speak. And you know, if they have a passion
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for that and everything is remote, they can do it
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from anywhere.
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I like it, And we're definitely going to have to
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follow up with you in about a year to see
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what's going on because you're taking on a very big
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but very needed project, and that's to save animals. In
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all these different scenarios. We always ask our guests before
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we end, if you could have a trait a dog
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has or a cat?
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What would it be? And why?
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Oh wow, a trait.
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Something they do or think? Correct? What would it be?
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I think just how excited they are when you know
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the family member gets home. Right, us as humans, we
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kind of go, okay, the spouse is home.
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Hey, how is your day?
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You know, but you know it wouldn't it be cool
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to have your spouse or you run to the door
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and go, hey, how are you doing? So that'd be
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kind of a fun you know, a fun thing to have.
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I think have unleashed joy.
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Yes, all right, Hey everyone, We're speaking with doctor Lee Mack.
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He is the executive director of First Responders Veterinary Network
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FRVN dot org.
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Check it out.
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Also at this time, want to do a salute to
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my producer, Mark Winter. He's the executive producer of Pet
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