Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka - COLM HOLLAND - Where Thoughts and Reality Intertwine

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Do our thoughts dictate reality? If so, can we change
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our reality by simply changing the way we think? Mission
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this is hour to explore the power of thought. Is
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an old friend of Mission Evolution. Colm Holland Colum is
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the original publisher of the global bestseller of The Alchemist
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by Paulo Coelo, author of the Amazon number one book
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The Secrets of the Alchemist, and editor of The True
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Origins of Jesus, The Myth Behind the Man. His latest
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book is by accident Most Strange If Thoughts could kill
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His website Columholland dot com, Calm, thanks for joining us
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in a Mission EVOLUTIONID.
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It's great to be here again. Good to see you.
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How is it over there in the UK.
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Oh, we've had a beautiful week, thank you. Yeah, thanks
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a nice change to get some last sun.
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Yeah yeah, I'm spoiled by the sun. I'm a fear
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in Colorado, so look at you, lucky me. So how
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did you become interested in the power of thought?
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It was something that I read by Professor Carl Young, actually,
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and it's a quote that you don't see stated very
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often when when people refer to car Young. I'll just
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quickly read it to It's only one sentence long. It's
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in Memories, Dreams, Reflections, which is a sort of autobiography
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by him. Whereas is everything in the unconscious seeks outward manifestation,
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and the persona also desires to evolve out of its
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unconscious conditions and to experience itself as a whole. So
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what Young theorized was that the human psyche wants to
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be whole. That's its default mode. In other words, everything
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that the psyche is trying to do is to bring
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together both the unconscious part of our mind and the
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conscious part of our mind into a hole. But unfortunately,
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and this was one of his great breakthroughs really in
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thinking about the human mind, is that we constantly as
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we through our lifetime, we repress so much into the
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unconscious part of the mind, which he called the shadow.
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And of course I'm sure most of you listeners have
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heard of the shadow. But what he also said was
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that the unconscious wants to manifest those thoughts, those feelings,
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those conditions that exist within the unconscious part of the
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mind and the personality which he in this case he's
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referring to as the conscious part of the mind. Everyday
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thought process wants unity, wants there to be a wholeness
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between the conscious part of the mind and the unconscious
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part of the mind. So whether we like it or not,
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we are permanently manifesting out of our own unconscious mind,
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with or without our effort. That's going to happen.
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That's kind of scary, is it. A lot of what's
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in the unconscious, our damage, in our defect mechanisms.
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Yes, yes, Well we have to sort of squirrel things away,
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so trauma pain quite often, you know, child abuse in
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childhood that we've received these things, and you know, I've
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written about this in my Secret of the Alchemists book,
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of course, and you and I have had this conversation before.
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But we repress. Both Freud and Young talked about repression
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and a great deal. You know, it's like pushing the
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trying to push the apples down in a barrel of water,
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and we're constantly pushing them down, hoping then you know,
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they're not going to rise because we don't. We don't
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want to be conscious of that pain every day. It's
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really hard to get through a day if we're constantly
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being reminded and if that pain isn't faced and isn't
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dealt with, According to Young and Freud of course talked
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about this as well, then it will rise again, as
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it were. So those apples are going to keep popping up.
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And I think you and I You and I were
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talking recently about triggers.
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Yes, and that's going to be an interesting one to
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go into it. What fascinates me is if we indeed
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manifest from the unconscious mind, and the unconscious mind is
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chuck full of damage and distortion, it kind of scary
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what we might be putting out there.
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Yeah, yes, just a little segue here. Just think about
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Carl Jung's life because it's quite a great example. Really.
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When he hit around forty, he was about forty years old, midlife,
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which he said was a really important time for the psyche.
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By the way, lots of stuff happens in the midlife
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period of human development. But he'd just recently broken off
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his relationship with Sigmund Freud, and it was really traumatic.
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It was quite an major event, more for Young than
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I think than for Freud. And he went in to
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a really interesting form of nervous breakdown, and it was
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almost a calculated nervous breakdown. Don't forget, he'd been a
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doctor in a hospital dealing with patients with schizophrenia and
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he'd been quite successful in there. So it wasn't as
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though he didn't understand nervous breakdown and what it looked like.
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But he decided he chose to allow his unconscious mind
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unfettered expression, which I don't recommend it.
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It sounds scary to me.
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You'd have to quit your day job, which I did. Actually,
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I had a much shorter period of nervous breakdown when
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I was in my twenties. Again, I didn't know Young
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had done this, but I also volunteered to myself to
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go and face the elements that lived in my unconscious
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and I can talk about that a bit. But Young
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it was like a controlled experiment on himself, and he
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didn't feel that he could he could ask anybody else
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to perform it, and he wanted to study it. So
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he'd get up in the morning and he'd be with
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his family and have breakfast, and he'd go into his
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office and he would just get into a meditative state
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where his unconscious mind could reveal, like nightmares. Really, all
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the symbols and all the images that he believed were
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buried in there, and over a period of a couple
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of years, he recorded these, he drew them, he wrote
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about them, and it produced a book called The Red Book.
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And for anybody who's interested in the contents of Carl
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Young's unconscious mind and they want to compare it to
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their own, then The Red Book is a great read.
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You can get most of it online. You don't have
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to buy. It's a huge volume, by the way. But yeah,
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so off the back of that he was able to
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develop this whole notion that he had that we've got
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two elements to our unconscious mind. We've got those things
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that we repress, the traumas and the dark, the dark
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things that we regard as dark, and the things we
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will regard of no real value to our everyday life,
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and we've got all that stuff pushed down and hopefully
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under control, which it isn't actually, but it's a bit
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of a delusion to think that it is under control.
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And then the other side of the coin was that
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he believed that we all share in our unconscious, the
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collective unconscious, as he called it, images in common. And
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when he was working with his patients later in life,
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when he when they thought that he was trying to
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help them with their issues, he was actually conducting experiments
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on them, totally ethically, of course, or not as the
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case maybe, but he was wanting to see if they
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would manifest out of their unconscious anything that might produce
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similar images to the sorts of things that he was
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Because Young also had had a huge theory about mythology.
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He believed that mythology was the result of the content,
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the manifestation of the contents of the unconscious mind in
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an unconscious way. So when somebody wrote a story like
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Ulysses or any of the Greek myths, and even Pawlocator
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with the alchemists, what he's doing, what they're doing there
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is they are sort of the images of their own
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conscious mind are spilling out into the into the conscious
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mind in the form of story in mythology.
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Well, I find this particularly interesting because you think of
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the science fiction writers. When I was in college, I
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was just I devoured science fiction, read my text, of course.
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But but now I can look out and around me,
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and three fourths of what Osmov wrote about has manifested.
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It's interesting. So by what you're saying, am I correct
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and assuming that writing those science fiction was actually delving
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into the collective unconscious whereby we were manifesting.
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Yes, yes, And of course that's the call. That's at
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the big end, you know, where we can actually see
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the adventures. But then we should also think about the
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little you know, almost the little end what I mean
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by that at an individual level. To go back to
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your first question, really, so are we constantly manifesting the
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contents of our own conscious mind in our everyday lives,
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in the way we think in both positively and negatively?
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Of course, are we manifesting the quality of life as
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a result of that? Is that coming out of our
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unconscious mind? Well, Young would say yes, and I think
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I think I would agree with him on that that
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we most of us live lives that have a color.
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I call it like a color to how we see
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the world. You know, we might see the world through
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extremely pessimistic eyes, or we may see the world through
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delusional optimistic eyes as well.
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It is time for us to take a station break
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on the other side, we'll get into those eyes, Column,
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and I will return very shortly, so not go away.
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This is Mission Evolution www. Mission evolution dot org. Do
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you know what you're thinking with us? This our discussing
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the power of thought column? Holland Column is the author
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of by accident, Most Strange, If Thoughts could kill Calum
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We we're more manifesting, and a lot of it. Apparently
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we can manifest from the conscious mind right as well
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as the unconscious. Okay, but but when we're managing from
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the unconscious, if we're if we're unconscious of it, we
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haven't processed it. We haven't matured it, haven't matured through it.
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There's a lot of flatsom in there in the unconscious.
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So is that what our world is mostly made of?
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Is everybody's unconscious flotsom?
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Yeah? Yes, yes, no. Probably. Car Young's most famous quote,
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the one that most people we can probably quote you
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is when he said, unless you make the unconscious mind conscious,
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then it will control you and you will call it fate.
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Oh isn't that fascinating.
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Yeah, so let's just let's just unwrap that for a second.
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So when he talks about fate, the meaning that he's
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bringing to it, and I think, you know it's most common, really,
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is that stuff happens to us outside of our control. Yeah,
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So we get involved in a relationship, the relationship goes sour,
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we feel that we had no control over that relationship,
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and we say, well, that was fate, that was how
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it was meant to be, and you know, there was
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nothing I can do about it. He proposed that there
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are other ways of looking at that, and that is
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that we are consistently making unconscious decisions based on bits
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of information which may be relevant or may not be relevant,
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and we even when we make those decisions, at times,
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we do feel that we're not really in control of
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the decisions we make, so we sort of fall into things.
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We make decisions by default rather than by design, and
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then we we sort of step back once we're in
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the thick of it, as it were, and we go, well,
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if only i'd be more aware of why I was
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making those decisions. Why I got myself into this situation,
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but I just felt I was, you know, under some
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kind of compulsion. I just sort of had to do it.
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My feelings and emotions drove drove me forward. And then
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of course the ultimate sort of crisis point that that
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can lead to is a form of psychosis. For those
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not too sure what psychosis, so, psychosis is when we
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when the mind really starts to lose a grip on reality.
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We're not.
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That's kind of a that's kind of a difficult thing
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because if we create reality but we lose grip on reality,
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Help me out, how does that happen?
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Yeah, so that they're Usually psychosis is normally the result
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of some kind of trauma. It can be triggered by
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a trauma in real time now, so a terrible accident,
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really difficult grief situation, loss of a job, it can
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be a breakup of a relationship. All manner of things
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can trigger the psychosis. But when when somebody is in
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psychosis or in a psychotic state, they completely to everybody
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else around them, and from from the outside it's obvious
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that they're not in touch with the reality, but to them,
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that is their new reality. It is. It is real,
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and the problem for them is that normally it's almost
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impossible to get out of it by you know, on
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your own. It's it's a mental state that no longer
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has any anchors in the real world, and people sometimes
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imagine themselves to be historical characters, or they feel that
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the paranoia is a really good example of a state
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of psychosis. You know, there's sort of somebody under the
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bed is going to jump out and attack us, when
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of course there isn't anybody there. Somebody is going to
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break in and wreck our home when actually nobody is
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going to break in, and so on and so on.
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So I can't I can't help, but notice, column, it
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sounds like you've described a population at large.
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Let's be more generous than that. Let's go let's not
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confuse psychosis with delusion, so that I would agree with you,
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and I would actually say we are all deluded in
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some way. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way.
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I don't, you know, I'm not sort of trying to
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scare them under anybody here, But there are states of
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delusion where we imagine things to be a certain way
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when the facts just don't stack up. You know that
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that really isn't the case. I'm trying to think of
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it of an easy example. For example, you know, somebody
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might think that, you know, they've got unlimited amount of
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financial funds. For example, I've got three credit cards, and
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I just keep spending the credit cards, and you know,
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it's not a problem. The money is going to come in.
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I don't have to work. I don't know if I
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actually do anything. I can just keep spending the money
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and it'll be, you know, fine. And then of course
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the big shot comes when you can't pay the money
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back and you can't get the money off the credit card.
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So that that's a really simple example of a deluded state.
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But there are other states of delusion that we can
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be in. Sometimes our religious beliefs are delusional in the
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sense that things that to most people are obviously meant
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to be mythology with meaning and its symbols with meaning.
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believe these things to actually be real and they have power,
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and we you know, can continuously call upon that power
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to do whatever we want it to do. Then and
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then it doesn't work out of course, that that again
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can be a delusional state.
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So if we create our reality out of our unconscious
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and conscious thoughts, yep, and yet being delusional is being
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out of touch with reality, how does that add up?
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Yeah? Quite well, reality is what we believe it to be.
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And that was something Young was really clear on. So
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we create our own reality for sure. And there are
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The psyche has numerous checks and balances. Some people say, Oh,
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I'm you know, I'm really skeptical, you know. You know,
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people say this, you know, I should believe this, or
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I should think that, or this is true or that,
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you know, but I'm really skeptical. I'm not sure about that.
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That's one of the checks and balances that's already built
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into the psychic and it's really important we should be.
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We should listen to our skepticism all the time. You know,
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I still do. I mean, I believe lots of things
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to be true. I believe, for example, in the power
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of unconditional love. But you know, even when I believe
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in the power of unconditional love, which we can talk
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about as we go on, I'm still skeptical about you know,
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when it should be applied or when it should not
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be applied. And maybe you know tough love needs to
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be applied in certain circumstances. But to go back to manifestation,
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for manifestating manifestation of thoughts, that the key is that
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we are constantly manifesting a reality of some description. Young's
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whole point was that if we can be more the
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more conscious we can be of our thoughts, the more
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in touch we can be with what is real compared
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to what we believe might be real, then that will
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lead to a greater wholeness of life, and.
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That masses as well as the individual I would take in.
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But for both years. He Young of course lived at
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the dawn of the Second World War in Switzerland when
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Nazi Germany was coming to power, and he was watching
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the German the German society and the German culture and
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was even predicting the way it was going. He had
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no idea of where it would end up, but he
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was pretty accurate on it. And he sort of said, well,
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there's nothing we can do about it, because this is
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a form of mass delusion. And I'm sure you can
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think of other countries right now where there are certain
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instances of mass delusion happening.
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Well, would that be like a cult mentality? See, for instance,
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you get a whole bunch of people together and they
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agree on a reality and then it kind of seems
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to manifest around them. Yes, but it is reality.
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Actually yeah, well it's the reality that they've created, but
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it's it's localized, it's only it only belongs to that group.
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When when you think that we've got three trillion people
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on the planet right now, there's going to be lots
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of realities out there, and we all adhere to some
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form of belief in mythology. Some is helpful and some
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is so. Young's not saying that we can escape mild
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states of delusion. We're all going to be in them.
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What the trick, according to him, was to be aware
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of it. If you can be aware of your thoughts
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when they're erroneous and not helpful, when they're good and
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when they're positive, and engage them to work in our favor,
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that's part of the secret of individuation, as he called it,
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or wholeness. And he also said something really interesting which
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a lot of people don't have criticized me for saying this,
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but Young said, up until about the age of forty
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You're just learning, You're just figuring stuff out, You're just
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collecting information. And one of the problems with being with midlife,
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and the reason that many people experienced called a midlife crisis,
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is that you've sort of collected enough to have to
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make an existential decision. What is my life? You know,
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what is my importance to myself and to the world
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and to those around me? What is my purpose? Where
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am I going? So how we've dealt with unconscious thoughts
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and the and the mythology that we believe will be
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really significant to that boy, and they will all come
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into question, he said in middle age middle age.
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Well, Colin and I will be right back to continue
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our discussion. You stay right there on the other side
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of this quick break. We'll be back. This is Mission
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Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Who controls what
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you're thinking? This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot Org.
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Our guest this hour is Colum Holland his website column
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Holland dot Com column. We've been talking about how, you know,
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we have cults where they manifest in the local area
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their particular reality, or we become delusional and we're not
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in touch with the agreed upon reality. But it's kind
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of hard to look at the media and this and that,
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and I realized that it looks like somebody else is
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dictating what the masses think on a large level and
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we're eating it up like there's no tomorrow. Is that
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actually changing what we're manifesting?
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Yes, in a way, I call that sort of proxy manifesting.
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In other words, we've relinquished the individual responsibility for what
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we manifest when we sort of hook ourselves onto whatever
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the crowd, whatever our crowd believes, whatever our crowd is doing,
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whatever our crowd says is important, what we should be
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doing when we abandon our own individual questioning of that
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and just accept that as true, that as the way forward. Then,
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you know, Carl Young would say, then you're what you're
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really doing is you're by proxy. You're allowing somebody else
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to determine and dictate what you think and what you believe.
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And so on.
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That that doesn't mean that you can't agree with other
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people at all. But the importance, from Young's point of view,
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for wholeness is that we should be able to pick
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and choose carefully those things that we believe are real
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and important to us. Not just because our friend down
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the road says it, or a group online says it,
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or some politicians said this is the truth and you
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should believe this otherwise, you know, we're all going to
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we're all go heading for disaster, as it were. But yes,
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and of course climate change is a great example of
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this where you've got you know, several camps who believe
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that it's a complete hoax and it's just a mythology
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that's made up, and others who are completely determined that
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you know, we as a species are destroying the very
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planet that we live on. And how how you as
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an individual, you know, I'm not saying either it's right
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or wrong, because there's only one person who can actually
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decide that, and that's you. And it is beholden on
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us in the situations where it affects the global position
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and future to take the time and actually put in
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the effort to sort through the information and look at
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the sources of the information, not just accept them because
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you know, I say it, or because some scientist of
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great renown says it, or some politician who disagrees with
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the scientist says it. Then it really is beholden on
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you as an individual to make up your own mind.
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And I remember when I was at university. When I
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left university and became a school teacher, that was the
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first job I ever had. One of my great motivations.
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I remember, will be get a class of kids, and.
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I say, you need to be making up your own
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mind on what you believe and what you do and
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how you behave, and that's how you grow up.
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That's how you become a responsible adult. And that's still
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true whether we're fourteen or sixty four.
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So when we're when we're looking at in fact checking
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for ourselves and looking to see the environment or the
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global warming or this sort of thing, it seems like
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there's a really delicate dance to do here. One is,
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if you're thinking positive, have hopeful thoughts, hopefully that's what
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you're manifesting. But when does that become delusional and denial?
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How can you tell where you're at when that continuum?
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I think we have to go back to our own
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individual thoughts. Then at that point, I think on global issues,
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on collective issues, it is a case of you forming
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an opinion and forming an opinion in a as informed
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a way as you possibly can, collecting as much information
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reading stuff, not just accepting things because certain people say it.
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On an individual level, when we're in relationships with other people,
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that's the hot, But that's the crucible, if you like,
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for discovering your own thoughts and what it is you're manifesting.
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Now there's the impact that you, your behavior and your thoughts,
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your emotions have on those immediately close to you. That's
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the best indicator of what's real and what's not real.
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So if you've got somebody who's in a manipulative, coercive
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relationship with another person, and that person's going, you know,
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why are you doing this to me? Why do you
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say these things? Why are you trying to force me
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to do this? When people are gaslighting others and saying, oh,
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you know you've got a problem, list, I'm not the
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one with a problem. If somebody is the perpetrator of
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that kind of behavior and those kind of thoughts, then
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that is what I would call an individual emergency situation.
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And so many marriage breakups, relationship breakups, the courts are
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full of people being taken into custody all over the world.
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Really where the level and the manifestation of the behavior
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just is downright abusive. And if there's a c at
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a global level, that might be you know, global warming,
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is this is critical in my mind. Anybody who's not
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really doesn't really understand what they're doing and how they're
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behaving and what the impact of their own personal behavior
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is having on others. Because it's all unconscious, it's not
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something they're particularly aware of. Then those people are the
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ones who really need to start to stop and to
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start examining what is it I'm thinking?
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to do it as a rule, exactly because they're very
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invested in the reality that they've painted, where everybody else
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is correponsible. If we're manifesting our reality like we're talking,
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and a lot of it is being manifested unconsciously, what
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are the first steps we can take home to start
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bringing the unconscious to the conscious so that we can
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control it.
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So I've got three things that I that I use.
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First of all, dreams. Car Young is hot on dreams.
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sense whatsoever, they usually when we wake up, they usually
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leave a residue, a residue of feeling of some description,
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and it takes practice and it takes time. But if
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you're struggling to understand why you feel the way you feel,
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then one of the places that you can start is dreams.
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Recording your dreams, looking at your dreams, examining the dreams, examining,
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you know, thinking during the day after a dream, why
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is that dream left me feeling this particular way. The
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characters in the dreams are just symbols, but they are
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definitely important and is a good start. The second thing
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that I usually do is to look at what triggers
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my most extreme emotions. What makes me angry, what makes
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me sad, what makes me impatient? You know, what makes
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me burst out and be rude to other people? What
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makes me intolerant to other people? Nine times out of ten,
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the way we see other people and the way we
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treat other people is actually how we feel about ourselves.
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We never underinstimate the power of projection.
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Right there, you go, So have a look at that.
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You know, what am I projecting? How am I projecting it?
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Because that really is telling me something critical about myself.
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And then the third is find somebody to talk to.
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It's really hard to do too, especially if you've not
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been practicing it for most of your life. If you're
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a newbie trying to find out what's going on in
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your unconscious mind. It then a therapist of any description
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really somebody to talk to. And it's not that the
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therapist is going to have any answers. A good therapist
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will help you be able to begin to examine yourself.
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And that's how you can tell whether or not it's
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a useful technique. Know whether you've got the right therapist.
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Are they enabling you to see yourself as you really are?
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But it's you're the one that's got to see it.
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There's no replacing insight on yourself, is there?
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Exactly?
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Well, as you're speaking of this, it brings to mind
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just about every indigenous culture on the planet had for
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their medicine. People had really severe initiations whereby they shattered
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their belief systems, they shattered their reality, and then that
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left a clean slate so that they could be available
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for new information to come through them. Is this part
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of what you're talking about? And how can we apply
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that day?
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Yeah, I've been through very you know, my younger years,
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in my twenties and early thirties, many moons ago. Now
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I went through some of those personally. A general Catterall
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phrase for that is sort of death of the ego,
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because our personality or our ego is a construct. It's
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something that we build through our life to be able
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to face other people and the way we present ourselves
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and the things we say and the things that we do.
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You know that that is a construct. We build that,
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and there comes a point, very often again in middle age,
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when it no longer serves purpose that we've we've created
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it for, and so there's this great hollowness suddenly begins
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to appear. And one of the ways through that, and
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that's that can be a time when we're getting triggered
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all over the place. So you know, we didn't I
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didn't used to be an angry person, but I don't
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know what's happened. Now I'm suddenly losing my temper and
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somebody cut me up on the on the freeway and
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you know, I lost it completely. Why I never used
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to do that sort of thing. So there are various
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therapies that can enable them, in the dozens of them actually, again,
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as you say, in various cultures that can enable you
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to in a controlled way to go through what we
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call the death of the ego, And so we're.
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Going to have to pick up on the death of
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the ego, or the shamanic death or the dark knight
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of the soul. If you will on the other side
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of a break, please stay with us. Colum and I
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will continue to explore the hidden results of our thoughts.
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This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org.
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Do you believe your reality or is your reality a
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result of what you believe? This is Mission Evolution, Mission
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evolution dot org. We're continuing our discussion with Colum Holland
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is website Column Holland dot com. So calin that's the
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question of the day, which came first the chicken of
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the egg. We believe our reality and therefore make it
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so or is it so? And we have to believe
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it to be not off balance psychotic if you will.
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Yeah, we are organisms and there is no set formula
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on how you know what is a successful life, what
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is a successful way to be?
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We literally really do have to figure that out for ourselves.
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And we we think we have lots of choices. We
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think we can make lots of choices in life. I'm
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sure you've had another guest talk about this. How much, say,
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how much actual choice we have on our lives depends
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on all sorts of things. Is it nurture or nature?
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For example, if I if I was raised in a
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very abusive childhood situation, one of my chances of what's
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my adult life going to look like? Compared to somebody
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who you know, had a really smooth set all the
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way through childhood and adolescents, you'd think that those had,
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you know, the really easy sell through would be fine.
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But quite often there that you Quite often they the
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ones who end up self medicating on all kinds of
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substances because they never had to face a challenge.
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They've never had to build a new resilience era ago.
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The smallest things knocks them off their rails, right, correct.
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So if you know, one thing that I'd like to
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bring up now that we're in the fourth quarter, is
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you know, there's a lot of mental illness out there,
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and if we are manifesting what we believe and or
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what we think, if we're thinking ill thoughts about another
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person and wishing bad things would happen to them, what's
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going on there? What's how much of an impact does
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that have.
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Well, I've just written a story about that for me.
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You should mention that my main character is a psychic,
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so he's already got quite a lot of magical powers,
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as it were, but he's also a psychopath. The only
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thing I thought well of the twist I'll do with
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this character is because this is quite often how people feel.
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He never actually kills anybody, but he does wish them
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ill if they cross him or they get in his way.
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He wishes that something would happen to them. So that
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and without spoiling the story, stuff does happen, which is
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why it's caught by accident. Stuff does happen. So that's
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an extreme situation. I mean, I've known dear people, friends
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of mine even, who have been gentle soul, compassionate souls,
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until somebody threatens somebody close to them, and within within
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a whisper, the psyche becomes psychopathic. You know, I wish
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they'd fall under a bus, you know, I wish they
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get some dreadful disease and die just and then they're shocked,
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you know, and they say, oh my gosh, I can't
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believe I'm even thinking that. I can't believe I'm even
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saying that. So again, young Young, you know, had had
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quite a lot to say about this, and it is
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worth reading. I mean, he had a character called Mercurious,
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or Merlin is another name for it. So he said,
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we've all got a mercurious side to our psyche, which
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is a counterbalance to the angelic side of our psyche.
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So he, you know, he said that we all like
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to think we're actually better people than we actually are,
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and that it's a shock to us ourselves, those of
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us who like to pride ourselves on being kind, end
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and generous. And so when suddenly an incident will occur
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and we can completely switch and discover ourselves. So managing
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those two opposite paradoxical parts of the of the mind
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is one of one of the paths that we have
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to walk. It's a fine line. And in situations of
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conflict and war and family tragedy and other things, those
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those are the testing times, and that those are the
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times that really we have we do have a choice.
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At that point we can work towards finding well, we
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can't make those negative, dangerous, destructive thoughts go away, not
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in my experience.
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But so how can how can we we can't make
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them go away, but how can we prevent them from
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going out in the world and manifesting.
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Yeah, so so this is my pet theory, So you
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can a tribute this to me. I actually believe that
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deep within the psyche there is an overwhelming power that
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we can call we can if we can find it.
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And I've spent most of my lifetime trying to find
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it and nurture it. And that is the power of
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unconditional love and applying that power. And that's one of
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the things I love about Parakelo's The Alchemist as well.
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When he talks to the hand, Santiago talks to the
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hand that wrote all and discovers that what he thought
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was love belonged to God and God alone. What he
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discovered was that he had that same power in himself.
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So what I teach people who come to me asking
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for help quite often is let's find Let's help you
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find that power of unconditional love within yourself, because if
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you can find that and apply it to yourself, apply
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it to those parts of yourself that you spies and
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that you struggle with, those negative side, the mercurious, the
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merlin side of your personality. If you can do that,
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then you will find that there is the power to
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find the balance and to and to be to get
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into control of that. So I'm not saying it's easy,
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but it is it is possible in my experience here.
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Well is that magic moment I get to ask you, Colin,
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what's your mission?
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My main mission? My main mission is to help people
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understand that they are loved for who they are rather
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than what they can do. Once you believe that you
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are loved unconditionally for who you are, then you find
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that what you do it comes out of that motivation
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rather than trying to seek approval. And I think that's
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one of the biggest challenges that most of us face.
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It's a beautiful mission because from what you've been telling me,
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if we can love our shadow, we can also have
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control over it. It's not something we have to hide from.
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We can see it and have control over it. But
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it is quite a job, isn't it.
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Yes?
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It is.
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It is hard work, but the benefits that you reap
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are untold, and I think it's sad when people get
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through you know, most of their lives without actually having
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discovered that. It's never too late, but the sooner that
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you can begin to work on trying to make your
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unconscious conscious, then the more control you will have over
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your life and your circumstances and how your thoughts manifest.
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So let's look at this from a little different angle.
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Let's say that you are a person that's in the
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company of another person that is not being responsible for
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what they think or what the ill things they wish you.
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Is there a way to protect yourself from that?
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Yes, well, speaking the truth is the start. So quite
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often the people that are trying to manipulate you in
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that way are not speaking the truth at all. So
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it's really important to in the first instance, to find
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people who can support you and help you hold fast
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to the truth of who you are, not who the
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other person is trying to make you into or say
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that you degrade you in any kind of way. But
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if it becomes overwhelming and it's just something you can't
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go within, quite often you just have to remove yourself
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from there in the hope that maybe that person will change.
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Sometimes they do, but quite often they don't either, And
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so sometimes the choice is the hardest choice that most
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of most people ever have to make, is to say, well,
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I'm going to remove myself from this situation, which is
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but on the other side of that coin, you're doing
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everybody a favor. So by caring for yourself, you are
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in fact caring for everybody around you.
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That in that instance, is that as a result of
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if you care for yourself, then you're not you're conscious
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of yourself and you're not putting out unconscious negative thoughts
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towards other people or the world at large.
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Yes, and you're not and you're not being a victim
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as well, which is probably the most important bit.
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It seems to me like there's an awful lot of
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victimhood going on out there in this day and age.
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It seems few people want to take responsibility for what
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their experience is. And yet from what we've been saying
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this past hour, it is our responsibility what our experience
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is because we're manifesting our thoughts. Yes, how would a
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person or about out of time here, But how would
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a person engage that through the dream work and everything
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you were talking about?
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Yes, most the most effective ways to find somebody who
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can help you out of that situation. If you're deep
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in victimhood, it's really hard to do it on your own.
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So finding a support group, finding individual or others who
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understand what it is you're dealing with and what you're
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trying to get out or that's critical in my experience,
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and it is possible. It starts with accepting that yes,
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you were, you are a victim, you have been a victim,
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but you don't have to remain a victim. By engaging
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unconditional love, that victim can become a conqueror.
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I love that well. It is that magic moment. Unfortunately
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we are out of time. Column, Thank you so so
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much for joining us once again and sharing your knowledge.
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Our guest is hour has been Colum Holland, the author
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of the Secret of the Alchemist and by accident more
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strange thoughts could kill. To find out more about Column,
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where you can find his books and Holly has to offer,
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visit his website, Column Holland. This has been Mission Evolution
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with Guildoweka. For more information or to enjoy past archived episodes,
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visit www dot Mission evolution dot org. But there's one
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thing you can count on is if you meet us
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again right here. This mission will continue to bring resources,
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information and support to our evolving world.