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Speaker 1: Well, a few days ago in Breaking at eight with a bit of a caveat on it, we brought you what then at the time we hope was going to be good news about the future of the Crown and Anchor Hotel. It's one of Adelaide's most loved music venues. A lot of the mates have played there over the years in bands, spent many a wasted evening there. Well. Yesterday, amid the whispers of last week, the Premiere made good on his vow issued a few months ago that he didn't want to see the Cranker destroyed, but he wanted to get the balance right to make sure that we weren't going to alienate potential investors from Adelaide. In short, he announced that the state government will be introducing special legislation to guarantee the future of the pub, while also letting the developers go ahead with an albeit modified plan to build student accommodation there. Patrick Maher is the head of the Save the Cranker, which has been a terrific grassroots organization. It's Facebook page of which I'm a member, has been terrific and we got pad on the line now. Patrick, look, thank you so much for joining us. Are you guys one hundred percent happy with this? Has it been the win that you wanted?
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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, thanks for having me. Yeah, we're pretty happy with this. You know, given the starting condition of having no cards and sitting out at poker table, I think going through all this whole process and chatting with all the stakeholders, getting it as a result the community is pretty.
00:01:31
Speaker 1: Fantastic because some of the original plans would have basically destroyed the pubs as we know it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It wouldn't have been able to trade at all. It would have been I believe they're going to make it a yoga studio.
00:01:43
Speaker 1: A yoga studio.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:01:45
Speaker 1: But now the big back room, that excellent live space for bands, the wonderful front bar, the scongy toilets, it's all going to be there as always, Patrick, that's right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So the protections that we'll align to the pub from this new special purpose legislation will mean that it will always be able to operate as a pub, and it will have that right to be a live music venue regardless of the adjacent development that will be going on. And for our sort of from our perspective, you know, we don't own the land. So this is this outcoming is something we've been pushing for quite hard and we're very happy this to this country.
00:02:20
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hey, well done on the campaign. It's been terrific watching so many people and so many artists holding up to save the crank of signs that you guys have been posting on Facebook. It's it's actually become a national campaign, hasn't it.
00:02:33
Speaker 3: It has?
00:02:33
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's I think we've said a couple of times, there's something in this for everyone. You know. The ground and anchor has just got that magical quality in Adelaide where everyone's got some sort of relation to it at some point in their life. And so when this callout happened that five months ago now and it's only been five months when this call out happened, people came swarming to join and to put their two cents in it for their support behind it really be quite wonderful.
00:03:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it has. It has. Good on your Patrick, Patrick mar there from Save the Cranklin. We've also got the Premier, Peter mallen Owsk because who's been waiting on the line, Premier, and good morning and thank you. Does this achieve the balance that you warned about from the start. Does this does this risk sending a signal to investors that they need to think twice about putting their money into big buildings where they come up against them heritage concerns.
00:03:28
Speaker 3: It's a good question, Dave. The short answer is no. We made it clear from the outset. I think I think it was discussed on your program that we weren't going to do anything that would upset the apple carts, so to speak for the developer or the investor, The truth is, you know, we do need investment in our city, particularly when it comes to accommodation. In this case it's student accommodation. We want more of it, not less of it. So we weren't going to do anything that sends that signal or creates a sovereign risk, which meant, having made that commitment from the outset, the only way we were going to find a way to save the pub is if we did it through the developers agreement. So I reached out to the developer and sat down with them and started to explore ways that could be achieved. The other thing that we wanted to make clear was that you know, you know, the state government wasn't going to be pouring in money to buy the start or to commensate the developer, because I don't want to set that price it in either. So we had to think of a rather crafty way to find our way through a solution to a solution, and that's what we've done here. So basically the way that's occurred is we are giving to develop a whole bunch of things through a special purpose piece of legislation they wouldn't otherwise get quickly. So that is the heart of the building is going up, so a smaller footprint, so the cranking can be saved in exchange for height, so it's going up to twenty nine stories instead of nineteen. We're also going to make sure that they get their approvals quickly and they have confidence and certainty around the state heritage listing process. And then the quick pro is that the legislation will also preserve the crown and anchor the building itself, but more than that, also bestow upon that particular building the crown and anchor the fact that it's the pub and it has the unfettered right to play live music, So it doesn't compel the operator to play live music, but you know, we can't legislate for that, but we can say it has the right to play live music, which of course it will because that's how they pull their beers and make plenty of money. So we have to sit down with the Publican too, Tom Skipper and the stay of the Cranker group. And you know, from my perspective, there has been an awful amount of thoughtfulness on some instances of pragmatism showed by all concerned. And to say that the crank Group deserves a lot of credit because they appreciate the fact that to accommodate this solution there will be a temporary closure. The developer deserves some credit for even sitting down with the government in the first place, because if they told us to get nicked, you know, we were to cop that of our original commitment that we weren't going to upset the apple cart in terms of investment signals. And also we've been dealing with Tom Skipper the Publican too, who I've got to say has been really response on in his advocacy and thoughtfulness. So it feels like a win win win, and I'm just I'm grateful that we could play a role on it.
00:06:19
Speaker 4: Great result of the Cranka premier. While we've got you, you'll be doubtless familiar with one of JFK's great speeches speaking to a divided Berlin, which he said, Berlin, I'm familiar with it. Do you think today, given how a divided Adelaide is following the Showdown, we can we require a similar level of oratory from our highest official perhaps solve you know, the the the the non real Berlin wall that's currently dividing this state at the moment the Showdown.
00:06:48
Speaker 3: If I make a comment on the Showdown, I'll probably add bricks to the wall.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: What do you reckon? He did you get?
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Speaker 4: One week?
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Speaker 3: One week? Look, look, you know, I think Ken Hinckley said it pretty well on Saturday and night. You know, you know I was there, and I was there with the kids, and when it happened, it was you know, you could fool everyone sort of Oh you know it was. It was a pretty hard hit and your first thoughts go to to rank and I thought Ken spoke well in that regard in terms of Houston. Look, you know, I for one would love him to see you know him play finals. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean he's not just any player he's a top twoldren, but he's in your studio from time to time. He is a decent person. He's not the sort of footy player that goes to take people's heads off. So I just hope they get a bit of a balance, right. Sometimes I do think the Tripeian has gone too far in a few decisions. You know, at some point you've got to give the ability for players to protect themselves. And the simple question I ask is what was Houston supposed to do in that moment? I mean, you know, I think that if he's not he put his arm down not to hit Rank, and put it down to protect himself in many respects. So I don't envy those This might be.
00:08:03
Speaker 5: The least politically prudent thing you've ever seen. Brace to sway the tribunal. Your famous radar is broken, PREMI what say?
00:08:18
Speaker 4: By and in all seriousness, having been at the game, we got a lot of text from people saying it reached a level of discomfort, shall we say, in the crowd that they found concerning and and perhaps beyond anything that we've seen before. Did you feel like that or was that just.
00:08:34
Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: No? I think no, it was hot, you know, I've been to most showdowns, and if the energy was up, there was Shelley moments. You know that Harley's in a way that wouldn't surprise anyone, got people fired up or got Port Spires fighter. But I'm not critical of him doing that either. Jesus, it's it's footy. We don't want to take completely take color and characters out of the game. So I mean the fact that I I actually think the Rochelley moment was almost it wasn't specifically a turning point, but you can lay London to win a brick. That Ken was using that at halftime just to reset the attitude of some of the Port players. So but I don't want to diminish Rochelle's actions. I think you know a bit of color, you know fair enough, But no one was violent in the crowd. I haven't seen any reports of violence or old occasions. Bit of passion never hurt anybody.
00:09:29
Speaker 1: He am during week you get one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars from the taxtplayer to go to Paris at some point Premier, Well, we've got you on the on the line pass I know you have to go on there sometimes.
00:09:46
Speaker 3: Look, look the if I'll comment on if you like, the ABC got the broadcast rights. ABC in South Australia got the broadcast rights for the Olympics. So they've got a fair and square in a deal with the chief the chief broadcast operator in nine and nine Radio nine newspapers. So they acquire the broadcast rights, and I think that bestows upon them the right and the obligation to actually broadcast the Olympics and doing it from a South Australian perspective doesn't doesn't hurt now, you know, people listeners can make their own judgments about the cost. But what I would say is that putting you know, South Australian broadcasters to cover a South Austraina you know, part of the Olympics, just like Channel nine did I think actually serves the community. Well?
00:10:37
Speaker 1: Okay, Peter bell as there with his fiercely impartial analysis of the Houston. More importantly, the crank has saved great news. The text line his lifelong Labor voters and Crow supporters are never going to vote Labor again after those.
00:11:00
Speaker 4: He knows the forces with which he's playing the premier. Oh dearie move, there's an immediate explosion of share. We say colorful language,
Speaker 1: Well, a few days ago in Breaking at eight with a bit of a caveat on it, we brought you what then at the time we hope was going to be good news about the future of the Crown and Anchor Hotel. It's one of Adelaide's most loved music venues. A lot of the mates have played there over the years in bands, spent many a wasted evening there. Well. Yesterday, amid the whispers of last week, the Premiere made good on his vow issued a few months ago that he didn't want to see the Cranker destroyed, but he wanted to get the balance right to make sure that we weren't going to alienate potential investors from Adelaide. In short, he announced that the state government will be introducing special legislation to guarantee the future of the pub, while also letting the developers go ahead with an albeit modified plan to build student accommodation there. Patrick Maher is the head of the Save the Cranker, which has been a terrific grassroots organization. It's Facebook page of which I'm a member, has been terrific and we got pad on the line now. Patrick, look, thank you so much for joining us. Are you guys one hundred percent happy with this? Has it been the win that you wanted?
00:01:16
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, thanks for having me. Yeah, we're pretty happy with this. You know, given the starting condition of having no cards and sitting out at poker table, I think going through all this whole process and chatting with all the stakeholders, getting it as a result the community is pretty.
00:01:31
Speaker 1: Fantastic because some of the original plans would have basically destroyed the pubs as we know it.
00:01:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It wouldn't have been able to trade at all. It would have been I believe they're going to make it a yoga studio.
00:01:43
Speaker 1: A yoga studio.
00:01:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:01:45
Speaker 1: But now the big back room, that excellent live space for bands, the wonderful front bar, the scongy toilets, it's all going to be there as always, Patrick, that's right.
00:01:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:01:57
Speaker 2: So the protections that we'll align to the pub from this new special purpose legislation will mean that it will always be able to operate as a pub, and it will have that right to be a live music venue regardless of the adjacent development that will be going on. And for our sort of from our perspective, you know, we don't own the land. So this is this outcoming is something we've been pushing for quite hard and we're very happy this to this country.
00:02:20
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hey, well done on the campaign. It's been terrific watching so many people and so many artists holding up to save the crank of signs that you guys have been posting on Facebook. It's it's actually become a national campaign, hasn't it.
00:02:33
Speaker 3: It has?
00:02:33
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's I think we've said a couple of times, there's something in this for everyone. You know. The ground and anchor has just got that magical quality in Adelaide where everyone's got some sort of relation to it at some point in their life. And so when this callout happened that five months ago now and it's only been five months when this call out happened, people came swarming to join and to put their two cents in it for their support behind it really be quite wonderful.
00:03:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it has. It has. Good on your Patrick, Patrick mar there from Save the Cranklin. We've also got the Premier, Peter mallen Owsk because who's been waiting on the line, Premier, and good morning and thank you. Does this achieve the balance that you warned about from the start. Does this does this risk sending a signal to investors that they need to think twice about putting their money into big buildings where they come up against them heritage concerns.
00:03:28
Speaker 3: It's a good question, Dave. The short answer is no. We made it clear from the outset. I think I think it was discussed on your program that we weren't going to do anything that would upset the apple carts, so to speak for the developer or the investor, The truth is, you know, we do need investment in our city, particularly when it comes to accommodation. In this case it's student accommodation. We want more of it, not less of it. So we weren't going to do anything that sends that signal or creates a sovereign risk, which meant, having made that commitment from the outset, the only way we were going to find a way to save the pub is if we did it through the developers agreement. So I reached out to the developer and sat down with them and started to explore ways that could be achieved. The other thing that we wanted to make clear was that you know, you know, the state government wasn't going to be pouring in money to buy the start or to commensate the developer, because I don't want to set that price it in either. So we had to think of a rather crafty way to find our way through a solution to a solution, and that's what we've done here. So basically the way that's occurred is we are giving to develop a whole bunch of things through a special purpose piece of legislation they wouldn't otherwise get quickly. So that is the heart of the building is going up, so a smaller footprint, so the cranking can be saved in exchange for height, so it's going up to twenty nine stories instead of nineteen. We're also going to make sure that they get their approvals quickly and they have confidence and certainty around the state heritage listing process. And then the quick pro is that the legislation will also preserve the crown and anchor the building itself, but more than that, also bestow upon that particular building the crown and anchor the fact that it's the pub and it has the unfettered right to play live music, So it doesn't compel the operator to play live music, but you know, we can't legislate for that, but we can say it has the right to play live music, which of course it will because that's how they pull their beers and make plenty of money. So we have to sit down with the Publican too, Tom Skipper and the stay of the Cranker group. And you know, from my perspective, there has been an awful amount of thoughtfulness on some instances of pragmatism showed by all concerned. And to say that the crank Group deserves a lot of credit because they appreciate the fact that to accommodate this solution there will be a temporary closure. The developer deserves some credit for even sitting down with the government in the first place, because if they told us to get nicked, you know, we were to cop that of our original commitment that we weren't going to upset the apple cart in terms of investment signals. And also we've been dealing with Tom Skipper the Publican too, who I've got to say has been really response on in his advocacy and thoughtfulness. So it feels like a win win win, and I'm just I'm grateful that we could play a role on it.
00:06:19
Speaker 4: Great result of the Cranka premier. While we've got you, you'll be doubtless familiar with one of JFK's great speeches speaking to a divided Berlin, which he said, Berlin, I'm familiar with it. Do you think today, given how a divided Adelaide is following the Showdown, we can we require a similar level of oratory from our highest official perhaps solve you know, the the the the non real Berlin wall that's currently dividing this state at the moment the Showdown.
00:06:48
Speaker 3: If I make a comment on the Showdown, I'll probably add bricks to the wall.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: What do you reckon? He did you get?
00:06:57
Speaker 4: One week?
00:06:59
Speaker 3: One week? Look, look, you know, I think Ken Hinckley said it pretty well on Saturday and night. You know, you know I was there, and I was there with the kids, and when it happened, it was you know, you could fool everyone sort of Oh you know it was. It was a pretty hard hit and your first thoughts go to to rank and I thought Ken spoke well in that regard in terms of Houston. Look, you know, I for one would love him to see you know him play finals. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean he's not just any player he's a top twoldren, but he's in your studio from time to time. He is a decent person. He's not the sort of footy player that goes to take people's heads off. So I just hope they get a bit of a balance, right. Sometimes I do think the Tripeian has gone too far in a few decisions. You know, at some point you've got to give the ability for players to protect themselves. And the simple question I ask is what was Houston supposed to do in that moment? I mean, you know, I think that if he's not he put his arm down not to hit Rank, and put it down to protect himself in many respects. So I don't envy those This might be.
00:08:03
Speaker 5: The least politically prudent thing you've ever seen. Brace to sway the tribunal. Your famous radar is broken, PREMI what say?
00:08:18
Speaker 4: By and in all seriousness, having been at the game, we got a lot of text from people saying it reached a level of discomfort, shall we say, in the crowd that they found concerning and and perhaps beyond anything that we've seen before. Did you feel like that or was that just.
00:08:34
Speaker 2: No?
00:08:35
Speaker 3: No? I think no, it was hot, you know, I've been to most showdowns, and if the energy was up, there was Shelley moments. You know that Harley's in a way that wouldn't surprise anyone, got people fired up or got Port Spires fighter. But I'm not critical of him doing that either. Jesus, it's it's footy. We don't want to take completely take color and characters out of the game. So I mean the fact that I I actually think the Rochelley moment was almost it wasn't specifically a turning point, but you can lay London to win a brick. That Ken was using that at halftime just to reset the attitude of some of the Port players. So but I don't want to diminish Rochelle's actions. I think you know a bit of color, you know fair enough, But no one was violent in the crowd. I haven't seen any reports of violence or old occasions. Bit of passion never hurt anybody.
00:09:29
Speaker 1: He am during week you get one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars from the taxtplayer to go to Paris at some point Premier, Well, we've got you on the on the line pass I know you have to go on there sometimes.
00:09:46
Speaker 3: Look, look the if I'll comment on if you like, the ABC got the broadcast rights. ABC in South Australia got the broadcast rights for the Olympics. So they've got a fair and square in a deal with the chief the chief broadcast operator in nine and nine Radio nine newspapers. So they acquire the broadcast rights, and I think that bestows upon them the right and the obligation to actually broadcast the Olympics and doing it from a South Australian perspective doesn't doesn't hurt now, you know, people listeners can make their own judgments about the cost. But what I would say is that putting you know, South Australian broadcasters to cover a South Austraina you know, part of the Olympics, just like Channel nine did I think actually serves the community. Well?
00:10:37
Speaker 1: Okay, Peter bell as there with his fiercely impartial analysis of the Houston. More importantly, the crank has saved great news. The text line his lifelong Labor voters and Crow supporters are never going to vote Labor again after those.
00:11:00
Speaker 4: He knows the forces with which he's playing the premier. Oh dearie move, there's an immediate explosion of share. We say colorful language,
