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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello and welcome back to the daily flocks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Lacky is always says called call.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I say hello and welcome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we've been teasing this for a little while now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we've got Cow Glazer here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know from mmob.com.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know from foul territory.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know from his first appearance on our show where he took us behind the curtain a little bit about what
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[SPEAKER_04]: people and other scouting departments with people in the Orioles scouting department in the past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What the industry is kind of seen as some of the problems that are both personality and sort of mentality, as well as execution, that have prevented this lift off from actually happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this perpetual rebuild from ongoing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Kyle, I appreciate your time to now kind of look at where we are in Birdland after the fact.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But was there any fallback to when you appeared on the show?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you hear from anybody else, or anybody else sort of reach out to you and say, hey, that that jobs with my understanding of what's going on in the warehouse?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did receive a couple of texts from people throughout the game at all levels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, I mean, again, very complimentary, more or less saying, you know, hey, you said what a lot of us have been seeing and thinking over the years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, all all positive, um, did not get any pushback or people saying, hey, that wasn't right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And look, whenever I do something, that happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I always tell everyone, you know, that I have relationships with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I ever get something wrong,
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[SPEAKER_03]: tell me, accuracy is the most important thing to me in the world as a journalist at heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't get anyone telling me I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in a nutshell, the Orioles live a little bit in their alternative reality where they think their super computers the best super computer and they've kind of got it all figured out and they've done this through their actions and they've done this through their words.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I knew they were gonna sell along, we talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But when the owner who hadn't spoken a long time came out about now almost two weeks ago and talked about Michaelis and such an over-the-top way, it really made me think nothing's ever gonna change here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Pat, could you play that clip
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[SPEAKER_04]: David Rubenstein at the Colorado's press conference telling us how great Michael Isis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike has done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the baseball executive of the year a few years ago widely regarded as outstanding by his peers and other people in baseball, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's on a terrific job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very, very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and be more pleased, you know, we've had some injuries, but that's not Mike's fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in the end, we're very pleased and we're really, really happy to have such a talented executive leading our baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So nothing's going to change here, correct?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just sort of your reaction to that, because it sounds like Mike's infallible in this private equity billionaires mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, you know, going back and watching the entire press conference, first of all, I do want to give the Oral's credit for extending Kyle Brattis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about the need to pay pictures, five years, 90 million.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They deserve credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were a couple things that were said during the press conference.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That raised my eyebrows a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first part was what Rubenstein said about injuries.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, the Oral's absolutely have been hit hard by injuries to suggest otherwise, is to be inaccurate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they're not alone in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Orals have had 22 different players going on the aisle this year, including a lot of big, important players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're tied with the red socks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've also had 22 players go on the aisle this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been big names, like Roman Anthony, like Sunny Gray, like Garrett Crochet, like Ranger Suarez.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The teams write behind them with 21 players and they out include the braves, the braves, and again, we're not talking minor pieces here for the braves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a coonious strider, slow and buck, Murphy Baldwin, the brawers, choreo, phrellic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, every team has injuries, and the oils are not alone,
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[SPEAKER_03]: in having this amount of injuries to this quality of players, and you look at the teams around them, they've all performed better under the same circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So blaming it solely on injuries, ring really hollowed at me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One other clip I'd like to play for you, because Michael IS then made these trades which would get to in a second.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He spoke from about 30 minutes, and it's the typical blow-veading that we get.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he took a victory lap on the Adley Ruchman's trade, actually Ruchman's trade, which I thought was, well, even for him was something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you talked about, are they gonna get contrite?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are they really gonna get circumspect and start to assess their ways or will they double their triple down?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As it happens, a lot of the teams
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the ALAs, there will several of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that was going to be a factor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that's on your mind when you make that trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But likewise, I think the Red Sox, there's setting a lot of talent our way to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to watch some of these guys when we play together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes in both directions, but certainly that's something that you have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is he talking about Greenville against Frederick?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what are we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I probably wouldn't have phrased it the way he did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, because again, I'm a big believer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to criticize, you have to also give credit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think the oil's got a very nice package back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think very, very highly of Anthony Ayerson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think very, very highly of Kaisenwether's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even though the numbers have been great, it's all there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, to trade out the Ruchman, it was going to take
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[SPEAKER_03]: impact players who can help this team in the long term and what I took away from this trade deadline and where I would give some credit is the world's recognized we do not have the pitching in our organization to win so what they did was acquire a ton of pitchers you look at the Taylor Ward trade again going back you know the Tyler Wells trade again so there was some recognition of okay we don't have enough arms to win which has been a parent to
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[SPEAKER_03]: most of us for a while now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At least they've come around on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I probably wouldn't have phrased it the way he did, but I do think they got good talent back, and it wouldn't shock me if we see Anthony Irish in Kais and Weather Spoon, you know, pitching important innings to the Orioles, you know, whether it's next year or two years down the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: With Weather Spoon in particular, because we did speak at length about the pitching woes here and the inability to develop kids.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's high a and that ballpark.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can bang balls off the wall like the green monster and all that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it, but for where he was drafted and how well Boston has brought kids along.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the command issues like there is or anything in his make up that would be a red flag for you given what we know in the Orioles blind spots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: nothing glaring again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be a pessimistic view of the low miners right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot emphasize enough how terrible the quality of play is in the low miners and how bad defenses are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing a lot of pitchers who are very talented and are getting the balls that should be out and their defenses can't make the play and so now they're having to keep pitching
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I'm not too worried about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think any time you have an organization like the Orals who have had this many elbow injuries and it is an elevated number compared to other organizations, you have to watch for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's not a kyson weather screen issue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just something that in general the Orals need to monitor and realistically makes some tweaks because that shouldn't be happening to the level it has been in this organization.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I thought they would get one of the Shane Boss pieces back at least one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it would be Adley, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it would be Adley and Couser for maybe Ford and over and something else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I knew that the Michael Ford thing was a thing for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and then, you know, he's already in AAA with the raise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Tyler Wells is an interesting arm as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts on that trade?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because, because Wells was for me, they're best bullpen arm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're most like, they're most do it all bullpen arm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no question he was, and this is what selling teams do if they have good believers, they try and flip them for, hey, a young starter that can maybe help us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this is a team that absolutely, this was a full cell mode, like let's not kid ourselves, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: With trading Adley, trading Taylorward, trading Tyler Wells, you know, what they got back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any time you're talking about young pitching prospects, you know, the old rule of thumb is, you need five pitching prospects to get one, the Orioles got and bulk, they also got some high end arms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, I don't dislike what they did at the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And realistically, we knew this is where they were going to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing from the press conference that's two weeks old now that jumped out to me was David Rubenstein's coming at the time about, well, if we just win seven out of every 10 games, we'll be in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And how casually he set it as if that's
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think to me was a concerning lack of perspective on Major League Baseball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just to put that in perspective, the 2018 Red Sox, one of the best teams last 25 years, they did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The 1998 Yankees that won 114 games in the steam rolled everyone in the playoffs, they did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last two Dodgers World Series teams, 24 and 25, did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_04]: even the 2001 Mariners, 160 games, they barely had it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think to me, saying that is your expectation and you think it's actually realistic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When some of the best teams last 30 years couldn't do it or barely did it, to me that showed a problematic lack of perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was what I took away most of that press conferences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A, the injury excuse just rang hollow given other teams I've had equivalent injuries and equivalent, you know, impact players in terms of who's been injured.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that, oh, if we just win seven out of 10 comment, the lack of perspective, that is what concern me most about what was said in that press conference.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's also saying about a team that's one more than three straight games, once all year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So even if you take the historical baseball prism out of it, his team has struck out their four straight wins once all year, but now we're going to play seven out of 10 for the next 60 with a tough schedule and a lot of road games and we don't win on the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, well, let's just stay on this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's stay big picture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can I, as someone who spends money on this, think anything's going to change?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how can my takeaway be anything other than Michaelis likes this hamster wheel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Michaelis has extended this hamster wheel and Michaelis likes to build teams that can win around 80 games and everything goes perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're better than that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if not, we start selling tickets for next year because it sounds like the owners completely on board with this and Mike's probably got as much jam as ever
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking for signs that something will change, again, I think there is a recognition of okay, we need more arms, we do not have enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, the oils are on pace to finish the bottom half of ERA for the six time and eight seasons under the Michael Lies regime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The number one thing you have to watch for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Bradus extension does this two degrees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now are they going to spend money on pictures?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because again, they have traded players for pitching prospects and had some success.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bradus was a trade acquisition, Rogers was a trade acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Boz has done some good things as sure he's been track position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Orals have done okay there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just you can't expect to get enough pitching through only one pipeline to actually win a world series.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do that and spend nine figure contracts on top and starters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and pick out some really, really high-end guys in the first and second rounds of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do all of it for the amount of pictures, starting pictures you need to get through a majorly baseball season 2026.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just trying to do that for that one pipeline isn't enough, no matter how many trade you make.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they need to spend money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you're looking for a reason,
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[SPEAKER_03]: to be slightly optimistic, it would be hay, and actually spent money, five years and 90 million on Kyle, Bradish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now they need to go do it for a bunch of other pictures too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, if you're looking for hope that was, that's where I would look.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Rogers thing is odd to me because if you say they are sellers now I know they play Optic games too, so they'd like to be able to say well, you can keep coming to the park because we didn't sell everything we could have, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's still here making a pro-rated $9 million, I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Rogers they're selling the QO.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But how do we know the cue I was going to exist?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How do we know it's going to exist in the form that it's in?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is also someone who's been high variance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm old enough to remember spending parts of two seasons in AAA.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that one feels increasingly cynical to me that that's their bone to the fans to keep coming out, to help us maybe stay on the fringes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But
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[SPEAKER_04]: How could you not get a third of what they got for Scoobone?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can argue about the Scoobone return.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But how could you not get a top 10 or top 12 pick for Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_04]: A top 10 or top 12 prospect?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how could you not?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They got it for Cramer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know he's got more control, but come on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say generally speaking, what we saw this deadline, the prices for rental starters, excluding what the potters are willing to trade, we're actually pretty low.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I do understand the mindset of, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We will extend him a qualifying offer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what draft pick that would net us, are the prospects we're getting back, are any of them better than what that draft pick would net us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if the answer was no, it does make sense to hold on to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now look, yes, there's a ton of uncertainty about the CBA, what the game's economic system's gonna look like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the qualifying offer exists, let's not forget, Major League Baseball offered to drop it and exchange for international drafts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So
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[SPEAKER_03]: All these things are up in the air, but I do understand, hey, we can't predict the future, we can only operate in the system we're in now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they didn't get an offer for a guy, that would have been better than what they would get in terms of the draft pick, after extinguishing the QO.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite as cynical as you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really hard to judge without knowing what offers they got for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I will say, just looking around the league, potters excluded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Most of the offers for rental starters, I thought were a little like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is this word thing just kind of a salary dump like I don't I don't I don't you know Yeah, it's a salary dump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get get get I'm sure a guy who he's getting on base, but look it's not like he's out there making a huge impact So yeah, look you there's certain guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, let's get what we can get and there's other guys of hey if we can get this price point will make the trade
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's the right move to have Adley and Taylor Ward and two different tiers there where Adley is, hey, we'll move him for the right price where his Taylor Ward attack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's three older pitchers, including a 24-year-old in Abel, but we're going to get where we're going to get, maybe open up some playing time for some other younger players.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For me, now, Gunnar is the next horizon, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gunnar is a year, a gunner a year from now, is in the exact same spot as Adley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, we don't know rules of engagement and labor and all that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: nothing's changed for the better since you and I last talk about Gunner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can now go back 163 games, Kyle, since August 1st of last year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a 305 on base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's batting 220.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got 20 home runs in 72 RBIs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been picked off about as many times as he stole him bases.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's leading the league in errors.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a 690 OPS over 163 major league baseball games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's represented by Scott Boris who also represents Jackson Holiday and I think Scott Boris would like to see Jackson Holiday a short stop here And I think Gunner Henderson much like Adley Rushman might be like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Mike Elias and co are not the right baseball Development strata for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you feel in is the future of Gunner Henderson?
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's going to be hard to justify paying him what you know Scott Bores is going to command given his production.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think if you're the Orioles, honestly, that's a secondary consideration right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're trying to win games on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you have any chance of winning,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, again, finishing strong this year and potentially being remotely competitive next year, you have to get the best version of Gunnar Henderson and they're just not doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we see flashes, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last Friday, you know, the big go-head triple against the fillies, and I thought, oh, hey, you know, the Orioles since we talked, they're 15-8, that's a good comeback win, maybe they're figuring it out, then they get shut out back to that game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, it's a lot of
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[SPEAKER_03]: moments of looking up and then just, you know, longer periods of being down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think for the oils, this is what I go back to, we talk about, they need to fundamentally change their mindset on pitchers, pitcher acquisition, how much is going to spend on pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they don't do that, none of this is going to matter in terms of being a playoff team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But on top of that, they have to have to have to look at their processes in the major leagues regarding or hitting instruction, what information they're communicating, how are they communicating at, what does the pregame routine look like, what's the approach because I'm going to go back to exactly what I said when we last spoke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason for Gunnar Henderson to be hit in 2019 or the 291 on base, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's still no reason for Kobe Mayo to still be hitting sub 200.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason for Colton Cow's ringing 204.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson Hall Day has been much better recently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been quite hot and it's great to see, but again, it's like, okay, can he sustain it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we've seen some of these guys put together nice stretches and they haven't been able to sustain it and you look up at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what you do over 162 that matters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Having a good month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's nice, but you gotta do it over 162.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what playoff teams need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, sure the oil's again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go back to why I said before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Given how much regression we've seen from Gunner Henderson in all aspects of the game and given how much all of these young hitters who are way more talented when what their numbers are showing have regressed, they've gotta look at their processes and that's where I go back to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they just say, oh, this bad season happened because of injuries, nothing's gonna change.
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[SPEAKER_04]: are you surprised that they didn't trade more of the quote unquote yon cork is everybody was out there like everybody was in rumors i mean they clearly will open and they had a price on everybody said are you surprised that they didn't say like hey cows are even has to curse that like are you surprised that it didn't lean in the getting more of a mountain out now
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of value for those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, Colton Couser has not produced in the major leagues to any level in which you would, any team would be like, oh, yeah, I'll give us something valuable for him or yeah, he would play, I mean, I can't think of a playoff team where he'd be a starter, just that level of production.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Heston Curse that's tricky, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just with COVID and everything that happened there and then all the injuries,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know he's the kind of guy if you're an opposing team you look at the age you look at the injury history maybe you take a flyer on him but he's not someone you're going to give up a lot four so again this goes back also to if the orals can't figure out I think it cursed as a special you know case that I'm not going to bang on them for for how that's developed just because
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[SPEAKER_03]: All he's been through, but a lot of these other players too, you talk about, oh, trade value.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the Orals can't figure out what they're doing wrong in the major leagues to why all these guys are struggling, it's not just on the field of production they're losing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys, these guys, these guys, trade value's not tank.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So either way, no matter what direction the Orals go, they have to figure out what is happening because again,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every team's going to have one or two guys who struggle bad years happen, but when this many players all at the exact same time are struggling to this degree, that is a structural organizational problem you have to address.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, to me, Calzers is an interesting prism to this because he's got a 30-game sample to start this season where he has like eight RBIs, he doesn't hit a home run and he's got a 400, he's got a 400 OPS.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He then has the 36-game sample where he's got 1,000 OPS.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He gets all eight of his home runs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He has 20 RBIs and 32 games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He then follows that the next 24 games when that ends without an RBI.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He literally goes back to being a 350 OPS, 350 OPS, 161-slug, 181, like 200-owned base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how can that happen in the same season?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he didn't get traded, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't spend a stint in the miners.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's the same season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How's that possible?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, when you have these peaks and valleys, it tells me something is wrong in the coaching process where you're constantly making tweaks, maybe you find something and then someone says, well, you know, that's not actually a approach we want or hey, if you do this, it'll make you even better and then it makes them even worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anytime you see that that level peaks and valleys again, there's just so many signs here that something is not right within this organization and the majorly coaching side of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, they have done a good job helping guys get better in the miners and produce the miners, but I do think to be thorough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You also need to be conducting an audit of, okay, is there something we're teaching in the minors that works against AAA pitching, but against big league arms, it's gonna set them back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause that happens sometimes with teams as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, at the bare minimum, the oils need to be conducting a full organizational audit of their offensive processes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they're not,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we're going to be the exact same spot next year, no matter what they do in terms of player acquisition because if they don't fix their process, we're going to see the same level of the same players performing at this level next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to change.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if they run the majority of this major league coaching staff back to you, including the skipper with that beer red flag for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Off of a season like this off of last year with two skippers in the same role with the same stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you have to look at making changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if they bring back the same coaching staff, but there is a recognition that what they were doing wasn't working and they have made the necessary changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe maybe, but again, that's that's something you have to have a conversation with them that requires a level of humility of analysis that, you know, is clear-eyed and we have not seen a ton of that from the Oral's organization top down for years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's hard to have a lot of belief that the coaching staff magically will have that when really everything, you know, everything starts at the top and if it's not the top, it's hard for it to be, you know, anywhere in the middle or at the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and as we saw with the rest of the teams in this deadline, like even Toronto, who sold, but then legitimately bought, they're starting from they're going to go into 2027 from a leverage position, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just in regards to the very division they play in yet again, because Boston flipped it on the switch and Tampa refuses to go down at some point the Yankees are going to aggressive again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Toronto, even when they sold, they showed you they're not completely
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I actually really like what Toronto did this deadline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, yes, the trade came in Gaussman, you know, rental, and they brought back Jose Soriano, who has incredible stuff, you get him into even a mildly functional organization out of Anaheim and into Toronto, which has done a really good job with starting pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to see him take off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I actually thought Toronto, along with the Chicago Cubs, those were two teams why I thought had, you know, the very best deadlines.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Other teams did some good things, but, you know, I really like what Toronto did, position themselves for the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And actually, I think it makes him better this year too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Chicago, I think, with Milwaukee just staying irresponsibly still, I think the Cubs have a chance to catch him then I'll central now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought Roger was going to go to Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But obviously, it didn't meet Mike's price and Mike had a price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see this a lot, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The brewers are a very, very, very model-driven team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see with model-driven teams, when there's qualitative factors involved, they're not very good in incorporating those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just stick to the model.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you do that, there's always going to be a ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The model might say these three prospects are not worth a rental no matter how good it is, but that can't take into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that can't take into account that those three prospects have nowhere to play in your organization, because you have a lot better players already playing their positions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where the brewers have the personnel to make trades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, whether it's for tech, so even in a Trevor Rogers, again, it would not shock me if what we saw tech school where the brewers were not willing to be a very, very modest price, if they did the same thing with Trevor Rogers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would not shock me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's more of a brewers issue than in a Oreo issue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I wanted that bishop less than kid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brewer's have a lot of good players, but going back to the world's right, circling back, you ask where is the reason for hope, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, so we're going to power Optimist Hat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is signing Kyle Brattish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think also recognizing that, hey, this is a team that needs to sell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they went into this deadline and still thought they were actual plough, contenders, and hung their hats on only two and a half games out, that would have showed an even
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[SPEAKER_03]: worst ability to be clear-eyed about the reality is the situation to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're looking for reasons to be optimistic, that's what I would point to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, the comments from Rubenstein about injuries and winning 7 out of 10 to me showed a concerning lack of awareness and perspective about what else goes on at Major League Baseball.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, Michael IS works for an audience of one, or if we want to say arrogantity, the co-billionaire, too, but if they're willing to put that out in public, this is a guy who writes books for a living.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This guy who goes on Bloomberg and interviews the richest, most wealthiest and successful people in the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He understands the value of words and context.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that very, very, we're so very, very pleased with where we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Mike is so great, great at what he does.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that it's hard for me to get beyond that brother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just got to be real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's hard for me to think, this, this is not being run with a bottom line involved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not, it has nothing to do with the standings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, best case scenario is that David Rubenstein knew those things weren't true, but was saying them to try to inject some confidence in his team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we do see executives do that from time to time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I would hope that's the case because if he doesn't even know those things weren't realistic, that's when you have a real problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we appreciate you for edifying us once again, talking me off the ledge a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I very much look forward to chatting with you again down the road, hopefully, when we have some better things to talk about with Birdland.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can catch Kyle again on MLB.com.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can catch them with Falt territory.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and maybe some other places too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see, Kyle's got a lot going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you very much, Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to all of you guys for tuning in to this recap of the trade deadline on the Daily Flock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello and welcome back to the daily flocks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Lacky is always says called call.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I say hello and welcome.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we've been teasing this for a little while now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we've got Cow Glazer here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know from mmob.com.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know from foul territory.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know from his first appearance on our show where he took us behind the curtain a little bit about what
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[SPEAKER_04]: people and other scouting departments with people in the Orioles scouting department in the past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What the industry is kind of seen as some of the problems that are both personality and sort of mentality, as well as execution, that have prevented this lift off from actually happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this perpetual rebuild from ongoing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Kyle, I appreciate your time to now kind of look at where we are in Birdland after the fact.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But was there any fallback to when you appeared on the show?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you hear from anybody else, or anybody else sort of reach out to you and say, hey, that that jobs with my understanding of what's going on in the warehouse?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did receive a couple of texts from people throughout the game at all levels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, I mean, again, very complimentary, more or less saying, you know, hey, you said what a lot of us have been seeing and thinking over the years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, all all positive, um, did not get any pushback or people saying, hey, that wasn't right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And look, whenever I do something, that happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I always tell everyone, you know, that I have relationships with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I ever get something wrong,
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[SPEAKER_03]: tell me, accuracy is the most important thing to me in the world as a journalist at heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't get anyone telling me I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in a nutshell, the Orioles live a little bit in their alternative reality where they think their super computers the best super computer and they've kind of got it all figured out and they've done this through their actions and they've done this through their words.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I knew they were gonna sell along, we talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But when the owner who hadn't spoken a long time came out about now almost two weeks ago and talked about Michaelis and such an over-the-top way, it really made me think nothing's ever gonna change here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Pat, could you play that clip
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[SPEAKER_04]: David Rubenstein at the Colorado's press conference telling us how great Michael Isis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike has done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the baseball executive of the year a few years ago widely regarded as outstanding by his peers and other people in baseball, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's on a terrific job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very, very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and be more pleased, you know, we've had some injuries, but that's not Mike's fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in the end, we're very pleased and we're really, really happy to have such a talented executive leading our baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So nothing's going to change here, correct?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just sort of your reaction to that, because it sounds like Mike's infallible in this private equity billionaires mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, you know, going back and watching the entire press conference, first of all, I do want to give the Oral's credit for extending Kyle Brattis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about the need to pay pictures, five years, 90 million.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They deserve credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were a couple things that were said during the press conference.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That raised my eyebrows a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first part was what Rubenstein said about injuries.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, the Oral's absolutely have been hit hard by injuries to suggest otherwise, is to be inaccurate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they're not alone in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Orals have had 22 different players going on the aisle this year, including a lot of big, important players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're tied with the red socks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've also had 22 players go on the aisle this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been big names, like Roman Anthony, like Sunny Gray, like Garrett Crochet, like Ranger Suarez.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The teams write behind them with 21 players and they out include the braves, the braves, and again, we're not talking minor pieces here for the braves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a coonious strider, slow and buck, Murphy Baldwin, the brawers, choreo, phrellic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, every team has injuries, and the oils are not alone,
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[SPEAKER_03]: in having this amount of injuries to this quality of players, and you look at the teams around them, they've all performed better under the same circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So blaming it solely on injuries, ring really hollowed at me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One other clip I'd like to play for you, because Michael IS then made these trades which would get to in a second.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He spoke from about 30 minutes, and it's the typical blow-veading that we get.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he took a victory lap on the Adley Ruchman's trade, actually Ruchman's trade, which I thought was, well, even for him was something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you talked about, are they gonna get contrite?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are they really gonna get circumspect and start to assess their ways or will they double their triple down?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As it happens, a lot of the teams
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the ALAs, there will several of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that was going to be a factor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that's on your mind when you make that trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But likewise, I think the Red Sox, there's setting a lot of talent our way to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to watch some of these guys when we play together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes in both directions, but certainly that's something that you have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is he talking about Greenville against Frederick?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what are we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I probably wouldn't have phrased it the way he did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, because again, I'm a big believer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to criticize, you have to also give credit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think the oil's got a very nice package back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think very, very highly of Anthony Ayerson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think very, very highly of Kaisenwether's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even though the numbers have been great, it's all there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, to trade out the Ruchman, it was going to take
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[SPEAKER_03]: impact players who can help this team in the long term and what I took away from this trade deadline and where I would give some credit is the world's recognized we do not have the pitching in our organization to win so what they did was acquire a ton of pitchers you look at the Taylor Ward trade again going back you know the Tyler Wells trade again so there was some recognition of okay we don't have enough arms to win which has been a parent to
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[SPEAKER_03]: most of us for a while now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At least they've come around on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I probably wouldn't have phrased it the way he did, but I do think they got good talent back, and it wouldn't shock me if we see Anthony Irish in Kais and Weather Spoon, you know, pitching important innings to the Orioles, you know, whether it's next year or two years down the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: With Weather Spoon in particular, because we did speak at length about the pitching woes here and the inability to develop kids.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's high a and that ballpark.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can bang balls off the wall like the green monster and all that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it, but for where he was drafted and how well Boston has brought kids along.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the command issues like there is or anything in his make up that would be a red flag for you given what we know in the Orioles blind spots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: nothing glaring again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be a pessimistic view of the low miners right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot emphasize enough how terrible the quality of play is in the low miners and how bad defenses are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing a lot of pitchers who are very talented and are getting the balls that should be out and their defenses can't make the play and so now they're having to keep pitching
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I'm not too worried about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think any time you have an organization like the Orals who have had this many elbow injuries and it is an elevated number compared to other organizations, you have to watch for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's not a kyson weather screen issue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just something that in general the Orals need to monitor and realistically makes some tweaks because that shouldn't be happening to the level it has been in this organization.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I thought they would get one of the Shane Boss pieces back at least one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it would be Adley, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it would be Adley and Couser for maybe Ford and over and something else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I knew that the Michael Ford thing was a thing for them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and then, you know, he's already in AAA with the raise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Tyler Wells is an interesting arm as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts on that trade?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because, because Wells was for me, they're best bullpen arm.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're most like, they're most do it all bullpen arm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no question he was, and this is what selling teams do if they have good believers, they try and flip them for, hey, a young starter that can maybe help us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this is a team that absolutely, this was a full cell mode, like let's not kid ourselves, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: With trading Adley, trading Taylorward, trading Tyler Wells, you know, what they got back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any time you're talking about young pitching prospects, you know, the old rule of thumb is, you need five pitching prospects to get one, the Orioles got and bulk, they also got some high end arms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, I don't dislike what they did at the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And realistically, we knew this is where they were going to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing from the press conference that's two weeks old now that jumped out to me was David Rubenstein's coming at the time about, well, if we just win seven out of every 10 games, we'll be in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And how casually he set it as if that's
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think to me was a concerning lack of perspective on Major League Baseball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just to put that in perspective, the 2018 Red Sox, one of the best teams last 25 years, they did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The 1998 Yankees that won 114 games in the steam rolled everyone in the playoffs, they did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last two Dodgers World Series teams, 24 and 25, did not have a 700 winning percentage in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_04]: even the 2001 Mariners, 160 games, they barely had it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think to me, saying that is your expectation and you think it's actually realistic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When some of the best teams last 30 years couldn't do it or barely did it, to me that showed a problematic lack of perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was what I took away most of that press conferences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A, the injury excuse just rang hollow given other teams I've had equivalent injuries and equivalent, you know, impact players in terms of who's been injured.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that, oh, if we just win seven out of 10 comment, the lack of perspective, that is what concern me most about what was said in that press conference.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's also saying about a team that's one more than three straight games, once all year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So even if you take the historical baseball prism out of it, his team has struck out their four straight wins once all year, but now we're going to play seven out of 10 for the next 60 with a tough schedule and a lot of road games and we don't win on the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, well, let's just stay on this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's stay big picture.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How can I, as someone who spends money on this, think anything's going to change?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how can my takeaway be anything other than Michaelis likes this hamster wheel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Michaelis has extended this hamster wheel and Michaelis likes to build teams that can win around 80 games and everything goes perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're better than that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if not, we start selling tickets for next year because it sounds like the owners completely on board with this and Mike's probably got as much jam as ever
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking for signs that something will change, again, I think there is a recognition of okay, we need more arms, we do not have enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, the oils are on pace to finish the bottom half of ERA for the six time and eight seasons under the Michael Lies regime.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The number one thing you have to watch for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And,
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Bradus extension does this two degrees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now are they going to spend money on pictures?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because again, they have traded players for pitching prospects and had some success.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bradus was a trade acquisition, Rogers was a trade acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Boz has done some good things as sure he's been track position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Orals have done okay there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just you can't expect to get enough pitching through only one pipeline to actually win a world series.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do that and spend nine figure contracts on top and starters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and pick out some really, really high-end guys in the first and second rounds of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to do all of it for the amount of pictures, starting pictures you need to get through a majorly baseball season 2026.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just trying to do that for that one pipeline isn't enough, no matter how many trade you make.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they need to spend money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you're looking for a reason,
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[SPEAKER_03]: to be slightly optimistic, it would be hay, and actually spent money, five years and 90 million on Kyle, Bradish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now they need to go do it for a bunch of other pictures too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, if you're looking for hope that was, that's where I would look.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Rogers thing is odd to me because if you say they are sellers now I know they play Optic games too, so they'd like to be able to say well, you can keep coming to the park because we didn't sell everything we could have, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's still here making a pro-rated $9 million, I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Rogers they're selling the QO.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But how do we know the cue I was going to exist?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How do we know it's going to exist in the form that it's in?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is also someone who's been high variance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm old enough to remember spending parts of two seasons in AAA.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that one feels increasingly cynical to me that that's their bone to the fans to keep coming out, to help us maybe stay on the fringes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But
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[SPEAKER_04]: How could you not get a third of what they got for Scoobone?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can argue about the Scoobone return.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But how could you not get a top 10 or top 12 pick for Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_04]: A top 10 or top 12 prospect?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how could you not?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They got it for Cramer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know he's got more control, but come on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say generally speaking, what we saw this deadline, the prices for rental starters, excluding what the potters are willing to trade, we're actually pretty low.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I do understand the mindset of, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We will extend him a qualifying offer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what draft pick that would net us, are the prospects we're getting back, are any of them better than what that draft pick would net us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if the answer was no, it does make sense to hold on to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now look, yes, there's a ton of uncertainty about the CBA, what the game's economic system's gonna look like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the qualifying offer exists, let's not forget, Major League Baseball offered to drop it and exchange for international drafts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So
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[SPEAKER_03]: All these things are up in the air, but I do understand, hey, we can't predict the future, we can only operate in the system we're in now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they didn't get an offer for a guy, that would have been better than what they would get in terms of the draft pick, after extinguishing the QO.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite as cynical as you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really hard to judge without knowing what offers they got for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I will say, just looking around the league, potters excluded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Most of the offers for rental starters, I thought were a little like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is this word thing just kind of a salary dump like I don't I don't I don't you know Yeah, it's a salary dump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get get get I'm sure a guy who he's getting on base, but look it's not like he's out there making a huge impact So yeah, look you there's certain guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, let's get what we can get and there's other guys of hey if we can get this price point will make the trade
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's the right move to have Adley and Taylor Ward and two different tiers there where Adley is, hey, we'll move him for the right price where his Taylor Ward attack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's three older pitchers, including a 24-year-old in Abel, but we're going to get where we're going to get, maybe open up some playing time for some other younger players.
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[SPEAKER_04]: For me, now, Gunnar is the next horizon, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gunnar is a year, a gunner a year from now, is in the exact same spot as Adley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, we don't know rules of engagement and labor and all that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: nothing's changed for the better since you and I last talk about Gunner.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can now go back 163 games, Kyle, since August 1st of last year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a 305 on base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's batting 220.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got 20 home runs in 72 RBIs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been picked off about as many times as he stole him bases.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's leading the league in errors.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a 690 OPS over 163 major league baseball games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's represented by Scott Boris who also represents Jackson Holiday and I think Scott Boris would like to see Jackson Holiday a short stop here And I think Gunner Henderson much like Adley Rushman might be like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Mike Elias and co are not the right baseball Development strata for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you feel in is the future of Gunner Henderson?
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's going to be hard to justify paying him what you know Scott Bores is going to command given his production.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think if you're the Orioles, honestly, that's a secondary consideration right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're trying to win games on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you have any chance of winning,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, again, finishing strong this year and potentially being remotely competitive next year, you have to get the best version of Gunnar Henderson and they're just not doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we see flashes, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last Friday, you know, the big go-head triple against the fillies, and I thought, oh, hey, you know, the Orioles since we talked, they're 15-8, that's a good comeback win, maybe they're figuring it out, then they get shut out back to that game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, it's a lot of
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[SPEAKER_03]: moments of looking up and then just, you know, longer periods of being down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think for the oils, this is what I go back to, we talk about, they need to fundamentally change their mindset on pitchers, pitcher acquisition, how much is going to spend on pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they don't do that, none of this is going to matter in terms of being a playoff team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But on top of that, they have to have to have to look at their processes in the major leagues regarding or hitting instruction, what information they're communicating, how are they communicating at, what does the pregame routine look like, what's the approach because I'm going to go back to exactly what I said when we last spoke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason for Gunnar Henderson to be hit in 2019 or the 291 on base, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's still no reason for Kobe Mayo to still be hitting sub 200.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason for Colton Cow's ringing 204.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson Hall Day has been much better recently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been quite hot and it's great to see, but again, it's like, okay, can he sustain it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we've seen some of these guys put together nice stretches and they haven't been able to sustain it and you look up at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what you do over 162 that matters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Having a good month.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's nice, but you gotta do it over 162.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what playoff teams need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, sure the oil's again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go back to why I said before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Given how much regression we've seen from Gunner Henderson in all aspects of the game and given how much all of these young hitters who are way more talented when what their numbers are showing have regressed, they've gotta look at their processes and that's where I go back to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they just say, oh, this bad season happened because of injuries, nothing's gonna change.
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[SPEAKER_04]: are you surprised that they didn't trade more of the quote unquote yon cork is everybody was out there like everybody was in rumors i mean they clearly will open and they had a price on everybody said are you surprised that they didn't say like hey cows are even has to curse that like are you surprised that it didn't lean in the getting more of a mountain out now
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a lot of value for those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, Colton Couser has not produced in the major leagues to any level in which you would, any team would be like, oh, yeah, I'll give us something valuable for him or yeah, he would play, I mean, I can't think of a playoff team where he'd be a starter, just that level of production.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Heston Curse that's tricky, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just with COVID and everything that happened there and then all the injuries,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know he's the kind of guy if you're an opposing team you look at the age you look at the injury history maybe you take a flyer on him but he's not someone you're going to give up a lot four so again this goes back also to if the orals can't figure out I think it cursed as a special you know case that I'm not going to bang on them for for how that's developed just because
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[SPEAKER_03]: All he's been through, but a lot of these other players too, you talk about, oh, trade value.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If the Orals can't figure out what they're doing wrong in the major leagues to why all these guys are struggling, it's not just on the field of production they're losing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys, these guys, these guys, trade value's not tank.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So either way, no matter what direction the Orals go, they have to figure out what is happening because again,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every team's going to have one or two guys who struggle bad years happen, but when this many players all at the exact same time are struggling to this degree, that is a structural organizational problem you have to address.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, to me, Calzers is an interesting prism to this because he's got a 30-game sample to start this season where he has like eight RBIs, he doesn't hit a home run and he's got a 400, he's got a 400 OPS.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He then has the 36-game sample where he's got 1,000 OPS.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He gets all eight of his home runs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He has 20 RBIs and 32 games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He then follows that the next 24 games when that ends without an RBI.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He literally goes back to being a 350 OPS, 350 OPS, 161-slug, 181, like 200-owned base.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how can that happen in the same season?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he didn't get traded, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't spend a stint in the miners.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's the same season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How's that possible?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, when you have these peaks and valleys, it tells me something is wrong in the coaching process where you're constantly making tweaks, maybe you find something and then someone says, well, you know, that's not actually a approach we want or hey, if you do this, it'll make you even better and then it makes them even worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anytime you see that that level peaks and valleys again, there's just so many signs here that something is not right within this organization and the majorly coaching side of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, they have done a good job helping guys get better in the miners and produce the miners, but I do think to be thorough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You also need to be conducting an audit of, okay, is there something we're teaching in the minors that works against AAA pitching, but against big league arms, it's gonna set them back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause that happens sometimes with teams as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, at the bare minimum, the oils need to be conducting a full organizational audit of their offensive processes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they're not,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we're going to be the exact same spot next year, no matter what they do in terms of player acquisition because if they don't fix their process, we're going to see the same level of the same players performing at this level next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to change.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if they run the majority of this major league coaching staff back to you, including the skipper with that beer red flag for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Off of a season like this off of last year with two skippers in the same role with the same stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you have to look at making changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if they bring back the same coaching staff, but there is a recognition that what they were doing wasn't working and they have made the necessary changes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe maybe, but again, that's that's something you have to have a conversation with them that requires a level of humility of analysis that, you know, is clear-eyed and we have not seen a ton of that from the Oral's organization top down for years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's hard to have a lot of belief that the coaching staff magically will have that when really everything, you know, everything starts at the top and if it's not the top, it's hard for it to be, you know, anywhere in the middle or at the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and as we saw with the rest of the teams in this deadline, like even Toronto, who sold, but then legitimately bought, they're starting from they're going to go into 2027 from a leverage position, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just in regards to the very division they play in yet again, because Boston flipped it on the switch and Tampa refuses to go down at some point the Yankees are going to aggressive again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Toronto, even when they sold, they showed you they're not completely
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I actually really like what Toronto did this deadline.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, yes, the trade came in Gaussman, you know, rental, and they brought back Jose Soriano, who has incredible stuff, you get him into even a mildly functional organization out of Anaheim and into Toronto, which has done a really good job with starting pitching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to see him take off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I actually thought Toronto, along with the Chicago Cubs, those were two teams why I thought had, you know, the very best deadlines.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Other teams did some good things, but, you know, I really like what Toronto did, position themselves for the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And actually, I think it makes him better this year too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Chicago, I think, with Milwaukee just staying irresponsibly still, I think the Cubs have a chance to catch him then I'll central now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought Roger was going to go to Milwaukee.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But obviously, it didn't meet Mike's price and Mike had a price.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see this a lot, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The brewers are a very, very, very model-driven team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we see with model-driven teams, when there's qualitative factors involved, they're not very good in incorporating those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just stick to the model.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you do that, there's always going to be a ceiling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The model might say these three prospects are not worth a rental no matter how good it is, but that can't take into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that can't take into account that those three prospects have nowhere to play in your organization, because you have a lot better players already playing their positions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where the brewers have the personnel to make trades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, whether it's for tech, so even in a Trevor Rogers, again, it would not shock me if what we saw tech school where the brewers were not willing to be a very, very modest price, if they did the same thing with Trevor Rogers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would not shock me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's more of a brewers issue than in a Oreo issue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I wanted that bishop less than kid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wanted him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brewer's have a lot of good players, but going back to the world's right, circling back, you ask where is the reason for hope, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, so we're going to power Optimist Hat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is signing Kyle Brattish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think also recognizing that, hey, this is a team that needs to sell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they went into this deadline and still thought they were actual plough, contenders, and hung their hats on only two and a half games out, that would have showed an even
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[SPEAKER_03]: worst ability to be clear-eyed about the reality is the situation to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're looking for reasons to be optimistic, that's what I would point to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, the comments from Rubenstein about injuries and winning 7 out of 10 to me showed a concerning lack of awareness and perspective about what else goes on at Major League Baseball.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, Michael IS works for an audience of one, or if we want to say arrogantity, the co-billionaire, too, but if they're willing to put that out in public, this is a guy who writes books for a living.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This guy who goes on Bloomberg and interviews the richest, most wealthiest and successful people in the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He understands the value of words and context.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that very, very, we're so very, very pleased with where we are.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Mike is so great, great at what he does.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that it's hard for me to get beyond that brother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just got to be real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's hard for me to think, this, this is not being run with a bottom line involved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not, it has nothing to do with the standings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, best case scenario is that David Rubenstein knew those things weren't true, but was saying them to try to inject some confidence in his team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we do see executives do that from time to time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I would hope that's the case because if he doesn't even know those things weren't realistic, that's when you have a real problem.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we appreciate you for edifying us once again, talking me off the ledge a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I very much look forward to chatting with you again down the road, hopefully, when we have some better things to talk about with Birdland.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can catch Kyle again on MLB.com.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can catch them with Falt territory.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and maybe some other places too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see, Kyle's got a lot going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you very much, Kyle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you to all of you guys for tuning in to this recap of the trade deadline on the Daily Flock.
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