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Hello everyone and welcome to What The Pause.
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I'm Amalia, your host and podcast creator
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and today with me I have Jen. Jen is an awesome
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woman. We had a chance to talk last week and
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she is just full of life. full of life and today
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Jen's not only going to talk about her journey
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through Peri to Meno, she's had some interesting
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things happen to her along the way during that
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transition but I also want to have Jen here because
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we're going to talk about more the health and
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wellness and the fitness part and what Jen is
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doing now in her midlife which is just sounds
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fantastic. So Jen I want to welcome you to the
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show thanks so much for coming on. Thanks for
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having me. I'm excited about this because I think
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it's going to be important just to share my views
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coming from my background. Absolutely. And this
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is why we're doing this, because it's amazing
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to hear everybody's different stories. And like
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I said, everyone is different, right? So tell
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the audience, Jen, a few things about yourself,
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how old you are, what your career was, and what
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you're doing right now. Oh, man. Okay, I am.
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Well, it's like I feel like I'm it's like a dating
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app, right? But I'm, I'm 54 years old. I am I
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was born in Michigan. And so I'm a Midwest girl,
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but I lived most of my life in Texas for 25 years.
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And I had a full time job. I had all of that.
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And then, but My part -time job, I guess you
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could say was being a 15 time Ironman triathlete.
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That's amazing. Thank you. Amazing or crazy.
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I don't know. I don't know what you want to say,
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but, and if you don't know what an Ironman is,
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it's a 2 .4 mile swim, 112 mile bike and a 26
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.2 marathon run. And I know you're Canadian.
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So my conversions. Out of like 3 .8K, 180K, and
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then 42K, I believe. Incredible. What made you
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get started in all these Ironman competitions?
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Yeah, it was 1989 and I was watching the ABC
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Wild World of Sports. We used to have it here
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too in Canada. And you might remember the tagline,
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the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat.
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And you see the guy tumbling down. the snow,
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the hill, you know, after a jump or something,
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right? And it was the 1989 Ironman World Championship
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with Mark Allen and Dave Scott. And it was the,
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they called it the Iron War to this day. And
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Mark Allen won that day under like eight, well,
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they were like eight hours they did it. And then
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an hour later, Paula Newby Frazier, the first
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female crossed the finish line. And I was 17
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years old. And I said to myself, I said, she
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can do that. I could do that. Yep. Perfect. And
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then it was the rest was history. So I remember
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going to Michigan to visit my grandpa and grandma
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and my family. And my grandpa was the, you know,
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the World War II vet, the Purple Heart, the fitness
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guy, you know. And I said, Grandpa, I said, by
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the time I'm 30, I'm doing the Ironman in Hawaii.
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And he goes, well, when you go, I'll go with
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you. did he go unfortunately grandpa passed in
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my first iron man was in 2002 grandpa passed
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away in 2001 oh i'm so sorry no no no but he
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was that he was he was there oh of course he
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was there for those he was there for those 15
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iron mans and it's all through my butterflies
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so yes awesome yeah that's a whole other story
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okay all right So you're doing your Ironmans
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and then what's going on else in your life after
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your career? And then tell us how you got to
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where you are today. Tell everybody where you're
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from right now. Yeah. Yeah. I currently, and
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I don't know if this is video, but I currently
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live in post. Perfect. I currently live in Costa
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Rica. That's my, my tiny board. So I call it
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TB tiny board from, from not tiny dog from the
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secret life of pets. Tiny board is her name,
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but. Yeah, I live in Costa Rica. I live about
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10 minutes from the beach. And I went through
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a divorce. And I said to myself, if I don't,
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and we didn't have any kids. So I said to myself,
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if I don't move now, when am I going to do it?
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San Antonio, Texas no longer served me. So I
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was going to choose either Hawaii, California.
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or Costa Rica. And Costa Rica won because I am
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currently living in a one bedroom, one office,
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two bath container home that I built all through
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the eyes of Pinterest and ideas and a vision.
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And I'm on top of a hill. I do not have ocean
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view because ocean view is way outrageously expensive
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like it is everywhere else. But I do have mountain
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views. I have scarlet macaws flying by in the
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morning and at night. I listen to howler monkeys
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at nighttime. I see the sun go down. And yeah,
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I am absolutely thriving here because I work
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online. Right. And I've been working, I've been
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working online since 2013. Awesome. Wow. That
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is really before a lot of us went into, you know,
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work from home mode. So you're very lucky that
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you can do that. Yes. And I'm like, oh man, I
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want that life. I'm sure my audience is like,
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darn, she's done so well. This is awesome. But
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that's the thing. We can have this life and I'm
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living proof of it. Yeah. Was I ahead of 2020
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on the online stuff? Absolutely. But like everybody
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reached out to me during 2020 is like, how, how
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are you doing this? I'm like, you just got to
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put the earbuds on and listen to music and just
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get to work. Like you're going to get distracted
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every 10 minutes. No, absolutely. You're very
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disciplined too, which you need to be, especially
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for your Ironman, you know, your marathons and
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everything that you're doing in life. Right.
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So talk to us about your Perry to menopause stage.
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Yeah. Okay. It's sort of crazy because like.
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I think I'm getting, I've taught when we were
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talking the other day, I was talking to you about
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like the dates and the, and the, and the, and
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the, the years, but I think it was in 2000. Yeah,
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it was in 2015. I had, I did two Ironmans. I
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did an Ironman and Ironman Coeur d 'Alene in
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Idaho. And then I Ironman Panama city beach,
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Florida. And I remember carrying around tampons.
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in my racing kits because my periods were so
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sporadic and they were so heavy. So, and you
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know, I, I didn't know if I was going to have
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my period that day. I didn't know if I was going
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to, you know, and I do remember like right before
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Coeur d 'Alene. I started spotting. So it was
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like, okay, am I spotting or am I going to have
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my period? So here I had tampons all around in
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all my places, on my bike, on my race kits, in
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my bags. Anyways, so that happened. That Ironman
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Florida, I don't believe I had a period or I
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didn't have my period during that race. But that...
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The end of that year, 2015, I went to my OB -GYN
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and I was like, I'm just sort of done with like
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sporadic periods, you know. Right. Not realizing
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like I was perimenopause at that point, you know.
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And you know how like the doctors, I don't think
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really understand or have learned so much about
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it, about the menopause. We're getting better.
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You know, they are getting better. They're getting
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better. And this was what, 11 years ago, right?
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So my doctor was like, well, why don't you just
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do an ablation? And then you could, you know,
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you could not have a period. And I'm like, what?
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Okay. Like, I didn't even second guess it. Of
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course, I'll, you know, of course, I'll do that.
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So I ended up getting an ablation. My ex and
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I talked about it because at one point we did
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try to have kids. Ironically, I did not want
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to have kids from the very beginning. But what
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does society tell you to do? Oh, you got to have
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kids next. That's next. Know that well enough.
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Yeah. And it's interesting because God, universe,
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higher power knew exactly what I wanted and listened
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to me because I had ended up having three miscarriages.
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And, and then, you know, and then we decided,
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or I decided that I wanted the ablation. And
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so I got the ablation and I still remember that
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like, after I recovered from the ablation, I
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drive and it was my first workout and I drive
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to the pool and I just sat in the pool or I sat
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in the, in my car and I just started crying and
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I call up my ex and he goes, what's wrong? And
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I said, I'll never, if I wanted a baby, I'll
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never be able to have a baby now. He's like,
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where are you at? I said, I'm at the pool. He
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goes, why are you at the pool? He's like, go
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for a run. You love running. Like then that running
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was my jam. Yes. I go back home, went for a run.
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It was a total, like, I was fine. You know, I
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was like, all right, I'm good. You know, but
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anyways, like at any rate, I, so then 2016 happened,
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uh, Ironman Florida, 2016. I, I podium, I was
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in the top five of my age group. So I was up
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on the podium. Thank you. And then 2017, like
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everything just like sparkled. Like I was racing
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efficiently. Like everything I did was just spot
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on and just nailing my workouts, nailing my races.
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Like I was on the podium every race I did. And
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then Ironman Montreblanc is where I qualified
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for the Ironman World Championship. Eight weeks
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later, I had to do it. But here's where's the
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crazy thing was, was that I was going like I
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would wake up in the middle of the night just
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drenched and the sheets were soaked. And so then
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I would wake up and then my ex was still sleeping.
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And then he would wake up the next morning. He's
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like, oh, my God, what's going on? I'm like,
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I don't know. I had to change my clothes. I go,
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it's probably just training. Like, it's probably
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just because I'm coming from one Ironman. Eight
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weeks later, I'm getting ready for the world
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championship in Hawaii. Like, my body is like,
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in my mind, my body's like, oh, it's just working
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out. Well, come to find out being certified in
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menopause, a menopause course, I realized I pretty
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much jumpstarted my menopause, even though I
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was already going through it with perimenopause
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and menopause and all that stuff with the ablation.
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Exactly. So that was me just chalking it up like,
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oh, I'm just training. I'm heavy training. You
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know, I'm just and I was drenched. I was drenched.
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Sheets were drenched, you know, and I go ahead.
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So did you get any support as soon as you noticed
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this was happening? So you had your ablation
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and it was an endometrial ablation. So, you know,
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that happens and it pushes you right into menopause,
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like you just mentioned, but you didn't really
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start feeling the night sweats till after. Is
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that what I'm hearing right now in terms of actually
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symptoms? Yeah, I didn't feel them until I didn't
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see the night sweats until 2017. But I had the
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ablation in early 2016. Right. Isn't that wild
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that this happened? So what did you do as soon
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as you found out like you're telling your ex?
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Oh, my gosh, this must be my training. You know,
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we try to brush it off. But when did you get
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help? Like when did it start interfering with
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your life? Let's just say that. It didn't. Oh,
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you're one of those unicorns. Okay. No, no, no.
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And this is what I, this is what I told you about.
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I don't let menopause and perimenopause rule
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my life. I work out. I eat. the way I want it.
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Like I get so fucking frustrated, excuse the
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language. No worries here. Oh, I get so frustrated
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when I reach out, when we, people reach out to
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me, it's like, how do you do it? They're like,
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well, I've gained weight. I, you know, I work
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out or I've gained weight. Okay. What are you
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doing for your workouts? Well, I don't really
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work out. Well, what are you doing for your nutrition?
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Well, I just sort of eat, like eat little things
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here and there. Well, first of all, you're starving
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yourself. Second of all, you're not moving. Like,
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you know, like you're doing like things that
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you shouldn't be doing, you know, like you're
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eating like crap and you're not working out.
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Well, of course you're going to gain weight.
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I don't care if it's menopause or non -menopause,
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you're going to gain the weight. But let me back
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up a little bit. I, I was, I had a podcast briefly.
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I stopped it. The stuff is still out there, but
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I had a really good interview with a company
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called Femgevity and they specialize in menopause
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as well. And after I chatted with them, I was
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like, huh, maybe I should try some progesterone,
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estrogen, that type of thing. Like, you know,
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and I started taking the progesterone, slept
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like a baby. Did very well with it. If I took
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the 200 milligrams of progesterone, I felt like
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I was drunk. So I had to bring that down to one.
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Then I ended up going on the estradiol patch.
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And I had cream testosterone. And I hated everything
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about it. I put on weight. I broke out like a
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15 -year -old child. And that's exactly what
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the birth control pill did to me. The same thing.
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Gained weight and broke out. Like I'm not talking
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about like a little pimple here or there. I'm
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talking about like the cystic hormonal acne at
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52 years old. Wow. Wow. I am on nothing other
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than supplements and like fish oils. And I get
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the occasional little pimple here and there from
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the sun. And there you go. I took myself off
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all HRT, all of it. Right. And I just, I cannot
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do it. Like, and I'll be very transparent to
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living in Costa Rica. It was very hard to get
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the estradiol and the progesterone. I'm sorry.
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The testosterone cream progesterone easy. I could
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go into the. If you all come down to Costa Rica,
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you just want to go into and you don't need a
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prescription. You just ask for progesterone and
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they'll give you some. But that, you know, that
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was actually helpful on that. But then I got
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to a point where I'm like, you know what? I don't
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need this. Well, that's great. Yeah. If you don't
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need it, I applaud you for trying it, though.
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right thank you why not and then he made the
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decision that nope this is not for me and that
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is fantastic too and now you're thriving in post
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you're thriving i can i i i can hear it i can
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see it and now you're coach jen so coach jen
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tell us about Yeah. And I've been coached, I've
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been coached Jen for a long time. Like, so absolutely.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've coached. So just, I coached
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triathletes for, and I'm still coaching triathletes.
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I'm going to Hawaii this year to see, to coach
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my triathletes. So it's like a full circle moment
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for me. I'm just like over the moon about it.
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But, but yeah, I'm coached Jen. And now it's
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for women. So continue. Sorry. All right. So
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this is what I want to know, because you are
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a woman supporting women. You have a lot of knowledge
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in many areas, especially in the health and wellness,
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you know, in a triath and Ironman. And this is
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where I find the most credible people. to talk
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to me because I can talk to doctors until the
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sun comes out. And then I'll be like, okay, 50
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% of them may know what they're talking about.
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And the other 50 % have no idea what they're
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talking about. Right. Because they just don't
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have the, and people don't understand. And especially
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in post, which is really important. And I even
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have the problem of motivating myself. getting
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myself out of the bed, getting myself to the
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gym. And I know a lot of it comes down to mindset.
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And this is where I know I suffer a little bit
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of, and so do a lot of the users out there or
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the viewers, because they like, you know, I just
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don't want to, like you said, I don't want to
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go to the gym. Now I don't work out a lot and
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I don't know what I want to eat. You know, that's
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a lot of us. And I know that, you know, I'm a
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30 year fitness instructor myself. I know exactly
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what to do, but I know there are days I don't
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want to get out of bed. Still to this day. Right.
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And I'm on HRT. I'm on antidepressant, anti -anxiety.
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And I have been before the HRT. So as coach Jen,
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tell us when you have clients like myself who
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are like, you know, how do we get into that mindset?
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Like, I love the I love athletes, pro athletes
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like yourself, because you have that mindset.
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And I know having that discipline, too. I was
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a dancer for 22 years, so I know exactly what
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that is. But I've lost it. And I know many of
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my friends have too. So tell us, how would you
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coach us back into that mindset, getting back
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into being excited to go back to the gym, getting
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excited about the next chapter of our lives as
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we get older? Yeah, absolutely. I love that question.
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I think, you know, what I'm all about is I'm
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not going to say, all right, let's go do an Ironman,
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y 'all. You know, I would never do that to y
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'all. But what I would start off with is just
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the baby steps, right? I would start giving you
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small wins, small goals. So every day would be
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that small goal. So then that would be a win.
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You know, so it's like, oh, I checked off 90
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ounces of water today. Oh, I checked off my supplements
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today. Oh, I checked off. Oh, I was able to do
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a workout at home because I wasn't able to get
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to the gym. Like that's three wins in one day.
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That's phenomenal. right? I'm not going to say
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to y 'all like, all right, we're going to, we're
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going to walk 10 ,000 steps a day. We're going
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to go to the gym five days a week. You're going
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to surf. You're going to do this. You're going
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to do Zumba. You're going to do this. You're
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going to do that. Like, no, like I really want
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to start like programming the mind and the body
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together. And that's where I come in with my
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four pillars. We talk about the movement. We
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talk about the mindset. We talk about the meaning.
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And we talk about the metabolism piece. So really,
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I try to pull that all in. Like, okay, why? I
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mean, great question. And if you've never seen
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the TEDx talk by Simon Sinek, like finding your
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why, it's one of the best TEDx talks out there.
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And he has built a brand off of that. And I highly
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recommend it. But it really talks about like,
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what is your why as you are living the second
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half of your life? Is it because you have kids?
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You got grandbabies? You have, you know, you
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want to. be around for them. I don't know like
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that, you know, I don't have kids, but I have
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a niece, she sees what I'm doing. And she's 17
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years old. And I mean, she was just texting me
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this morning, you know, like, how great is that?
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It's Aunt Jennifer down in Costa Rica, you know,
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I think it's beautiful. But like, I think back
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about like, My why, you know, I had a couple
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of wise in my Ironman space, but now as I'm coaching
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women, my why is to really helping women find
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their voice through my four, four M's movement,
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meaning mindset and metabolism. And it all starts
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with in. Yes. And that is even just listening
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to you. I'm like. Wow, that is very powerful,
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what you just said. And your four pillars make
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absolute sense. You know, it's just something
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that... you know, we can sit back and many women,
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like I still have teenagers. I have a 14 year
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old and a 16 year old and they drive me bonkers.
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So yeah, so when they were starting their periods,
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I was going through Perry. So lots of estrogen,
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right? Oh my God, I can't imagine at that age.
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Exactly. I remember that age. Oh yes, so do I.
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It's like karma. Thank you so much. But nonetheless.
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A lot of us women also, you know, I've had a
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job loss, right? And I've had a courtroom loss
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with my ex just recently. And it's like, oh my
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God, before I would be on the ceiling, just like
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if I'm anxiety of it all. And now it's like,
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okay, let's just calm it down. It's not as bad
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as we seem, as it seems. Good things are coming
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to us. But there are a lot of women in the same
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predicament where they're like, you know, I'd
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love to have these small wins. And I think that's
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exactly. what's a great place to start are these
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small wins. I tell my daughters, if you make
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your bed in the morning, that's a small win.
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You've done your first job of the day. And they
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said, well, why am I going to make it up when
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I'm just going to get back in and make it messy
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again? And I said, well, that's not the point.
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The point is that you're going to have a small
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goal. So I completely agree with that approach.
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And this is fantastic. Jen, tell me about where
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they can find you. Absolutely. Yeah. You can
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go to my website, JenRulan .com. And, but I'm
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very active on Instagram, Coach Jen Rulan, very
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active. We met on threads. That's right. I've
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been enjoying threads more recently. And then
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you could also go to TikTok, Coach Jen Rulan.
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And then I also have started my sub stack. Okay.
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And that is really enjoyable because I've been,
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I love writing. And I feel like the blogs are
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very like my, on my website, the blogs are very
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like robotic. Oh, here's the top five, you know,
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strength trainings that you need to do as a woman
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in menopause, blah, blah, blah. But like Substack
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is like, just like some aha moments that I had,
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like, like yesterday, last night I had a really
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weird dream. And, and then when I was out working
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out, working out at my house. all of a sudden
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I put it all together. I'm like, okay, this makes
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sense now, you know, but, but I'll probably write
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about that, you know, because it will be something,
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you know, very monumental because it was something
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that I had a vision from my, from my ex and I've
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been divorced, you know, I mean, we started going
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through therapy in 2019. So it's been seven years.
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But we've been divorced since 2022. But sometimes
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those things pop up. And that's another thing
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that when I work with women, it's not just women
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in menopause and perimenopause. It's women that
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have gone through a divorce, maybe a breakup,
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loss of a child, loss of a parent. And so a lot
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of these women that I work with, it's like, all
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right, I don't want to focus on you and the past
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relationship or that. It's time to focus on you.
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Absolutely. That's the key, right? We tend to
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lose ourselves, right? And then when we come
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back, it's kind of like, why did I lose myself
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all that time, right? And us and women with kids
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or they're in the sandwich generation, right?
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And it's like taking care of the older parents
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where I'm at right now. And it's something that
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we need to, I tell my friends too, you have to
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put yourself first. In every aspect. Jen, this
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has been fantastic because, again, I know people
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that are watching this and listening to it at
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the same time that they're going to take this
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information because it's different when somebody
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is like a 20 -year -old influencer that says,
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you know, do all this stuff. Exactly. Do all
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this. stuff and you can look like you know i'm
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like darling we were 20 years old once wait till
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you hit our age right and then you know what
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let's be real at 20 years old we're drinking
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diet coke going out drinking and eating mcdonald's
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and we're doing just fine that's right we can't
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do that anymore ladies as much as it sounds amazing
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but we can't i know maybe once a year if you
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go on vacation but that's about absolutely for
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sure for sure Yeah. And and this is great that
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we have someone like you who is available remotely
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to the around the world. Right. And you have
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your sub stacks, which are not written by AI.
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Thank God. This is from your voice. Right. So
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the credibility here is amazing. And so I want
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to say to my users, to my viewers, you know,
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you know, take Jen's advice. Look at her sub
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stacks. Look at her Web site. And I will have
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that information, by the way, in the comments
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section so you can easily follow her. And please
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share, like, and also pass it forward. You know,
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you never know who can use this advice because
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when I'm listening to Jen, it's like, yep, it
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all makes sense. And yes, we just get that mindset
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in and let's go for it. Do it for you, right?
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Do it for yourself. Awesome. Jen, thank you so
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much again for coming on. You're such a pleasure.
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And I'm going to come visit you one day in Costa
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Rica. Yes. Hey, I have a retreat December 6 through
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the 12th. Yes. Yes, that's a total plug. No problem.
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No. And we'll put that too in the comments so
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that you can try and attend Jen's retreat. That
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is fantastic. I'm looking into those myself because
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I think it's time for me now to connect with
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these wonderful people and women supporting women.
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That's what we call it, right? So to my viewers
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and my users and my listeners, again, thank you
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so much for coming on. And I just want to end
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off with my mantra, which is be safe. Be well
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and embrace the pause.
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Hello everyone and welcome to What The Pause.
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I'm Amalia, your host and podcast creator
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and today with me I have Jen. Jen is an awesome
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woman. We had a chance to talk last week and
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she is just full of life. full of life and today
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Jen's not only going to talk about her journey
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through Peri to Meno, she's had some interesting
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things happen to her along the way during that
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transition but I also want to have Jen here because
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we're going to talk about more the health and
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wellness and the fitness part and what Jen is
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doing now in her midlife which is just sounds
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fantastic. So Jen I want to welcome you to the
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show thanks so much for coming on. Thanks for
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having me. I'm excited about this because I think
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it's going to be important just to share my views
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coming from my background. Absolutely. And this
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is why we're doing this, because it's amazing
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to hear everybody's different stories. And like
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I said, everyone is different, right? So tell
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the audience, Jen, a few things about yourself,
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how old you are, what your career was, and what
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you're doing right now. Oh, man. Okay, I am.
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Well, it's like I feel like I'm it's like a dating
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app, right? But I'm, I'm 54 years old. I am I
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was born in Michigan. And so I'm a Midwest girl,
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but I lived most of my life in Texas for 25 years.
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And I had a full time job. I had all of that.
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And then, but My part -time job, I guess you
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could say was being a 15 time Ironman triathlete.
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That's amazing. Thank you. Amazing or crazy.
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I don't know. I don't know what you want to say,
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but, and if you don't know what an Ironman is,
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it's a 2 .4 mile swim, 112 mile bike and a 26
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.2 marathon run. And I know you're Canadian.
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So my conversions. Out of like 3 .8K, 180K, and
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then 42K, I believe. Incredible. What made you
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get started in all these Ironman competitions?
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Yeah, it was 1989 and I was watching the ABC
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Wild World of Sports. We used to have it here
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too in Canada. And you might remember the tagline,
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the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat.
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And you see the guy tumbling down. the snow,
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the hill, you know, after a jump or something,
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right? And it was the 1989 Ironman World Championship
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with Mark Allen and Dave Scott. And it was the,
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they called it the Iron War to this day. And
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Mark Allen won that day under like eight, well,
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they were like eight hours they did it. And then
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an hour later, Paula Newby Frazier, the first
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female crossed the finish line. And I was 17
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years old. And I said to myself, I said, she
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can do that. I could do that. Yep. Perfect. And
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then it was the rest was history. So I remember
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going to Michigan to visit my grandpa and grandma
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and my family. And my grandpa was the, you know,
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the World War II vet, the Purple Heart, the fitness
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guy, you know. And I said, Grandpa, I said, by
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the time I'm 30, I'm doing the Ironman in Hawaii.
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And he goes, well, when you go, I'll go with
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you. did he go unfortunately grandpa passed in
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my first iron man was in 2002 grandpa passed
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away in 2001 oh i'm so sorry no no no but he
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was that he was he was there oh of course he
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was there for those he was there for those 15
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iron mans and it's all through my butterflies
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so yes awesome yeah that's a whole other story
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okay all right So you're doing your Ironmans
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and then what's going on else in your life after
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your career? And then tell us how you got to
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where you are today. Tell everybody where you're
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from right now. Yeah. Yeah. I currently, and
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I don't know if this is video, but I currently
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live in post. Perfect. I currently live in Costa
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Rica. That's my, my tiny board. So I call it
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TB tiny board from, from not tiny dog from the
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secret life of pets. Tiny board is her name,
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but. Yeah, I live in Costa Rica. I live about
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10 minutes from the beach. And I went through
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a divorce. And I said to myself, if I don't,
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and we didn't have any kids. So I said to myself,
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if I don't move now, when am I going to do it?
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San Antonio, Texas no longer served me. So I
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was going to choose either Hawaii, California.
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or Costa Rica. And Costa Rica won because I am
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currently living in a one bedroom, one office,
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two bath container home that I built all through
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the eyes of Pinterest and ideas and a vision.
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And I'm on top of a hill. I do not have ocean
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view because ocean view is way outrageously expensive
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like it is everywhere else. But I do have mountain
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views. I have scarlet macaws flying by in the
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morning and at night. I listen to howler monkeys
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at nighttime. I see the sun go down. And yeah,
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I am absolutely thriving here because I work
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online. Right. And I've been working, I've been
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working online since 2013. Awesome. Wow. That
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is really before a lot of us went into, you know,
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work from home mode. So you're very lucky that
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you can do that. Yes. And I'm like, oh man, I
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want that life. I'm sure my audience is like,
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darn, she's done so well. This is awesome. But
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that's the thing. We can have this life and I'm
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living proof of it. Yeah. Was I ahead of 2020
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on the online stuff? Absolutely. But like everybody
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reached out to me during 2020 is like, how, how
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are you doing this? I'm like, you just got to
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put the earbuds on and listen to music and just
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get to work. Like you're going to get distracted
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every 10 minutes. No, absolutely. You're very
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disciplined too, which you need to be, especially
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for your Ironman, you know, your marathons and
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everything that you're doing in life. Right.
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So talk to us about your Perry to menopause stage.
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Yeah. Okay. It's sort of crazy because like.
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I think I'm getting, I've taught when we were
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talking the other day, I was talking to you about
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like the dates and the, and the, and the, and
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the, the years, but I think it was in 2000. Yeah,
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it was in 2015. I had, I did two Ironmans. I
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did an Ironman and Ironman Coeur d 'Alene in
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Idaho. And then I Ironman Panama city beach,
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Florida. And I remember carrying around tampons.
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in my racing kits because my periods were so
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sporadic and they were so heavy. So, and you
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know, I, I didn't know if I was going to have
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my period that day. I didn't know if I was going
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to, you know, and I do remember like right before
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Coeur d 'Alene. I started spotting. So it was
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like, okay, am I spotting or am I going to have
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my period? So here I had tampons all around in
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all my places, on my bike, on my race kits, in
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my bags. Anyways, so that happened. That Ironman
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Florida, I don't believe I had a period or I
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didn't have my period during that race. But that...
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The end of that year, 2015, I went to my OB -GYN
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and I was like, I'm just sort of done with like
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sporadic periods, you know. Right. Not realizing
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like I was perimenopause at that point, you know.
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And you know how like the doctors, I don't think
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really understand or have learned so much about
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it, about the menopause. We're getting better.
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You know, they are getting better. They're getting
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better. And this was what, 11 years ago, right?
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So my doctor was like, well, why don't you just
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do an ablation? And then you could, you know,
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you could not have a period. And I'm like, what?
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Okay. Like, I didn't even second guess it. Of
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course, I'll, you know, of course, I'll do that.
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So I ended up getting an ablation. My ex and
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I talked about it because at one point we did
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try to have kids. Ironically, I did not want
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to have kids from the very beginning. But what
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does society tell you to do? Oh, you got to have
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kids next. That's next. Know that well enough.
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Yeah. And it's interesting because God, universe,
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higher power knew exactly what I wanted and listened
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to me because I had ended up having three miscarriages.
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And, and then, you know, and then we decided,
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or I decided that I wanted the ablation. And
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so I got the ablation and I still remember that
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like, after I recovered from the ablation, I
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drive and it was my first workout and I drive
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to the pool and I just sat in the pool or I sat
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in the, in my car and I just started crying and
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I call up my ex and he goes, what's wrong? And
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I said, I'll never, if I wanted a baby, I'll
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never be able to have a baby now. He's like,
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where are you at? I said, I'm at the pool. He
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goes, why are you at the pool? He's like, go
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for a run. You love running. Like then that running
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was my jam. Yes. I go back home, went for a run.
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It was a total, like, I was fine. You know, I
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was like, all right, I'm good. You know, but
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anyways, like at any rate, I, so then 2016 happened,
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uh, Ironman Florida, 2016. I, I podium, I was
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in the top five of my age group. So I was up
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on the podium. Thank you. And then 2017, like
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everything just like sparkled. Like I was racing
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efficiently. Like everything I did was just spot
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on and just nailing my workouts, nailing my races.
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Like I was on the podium every race I did. And
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then Ironman Montreblanc is where I qualified
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for the Ironman World Championship. Eight weeks
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later, I had to do it. But here's where's the
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crazy thing was, was that I was going like I
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would wake up in the middle of the night just
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drenched and the sheets were soaked. And so then
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I would wake up and then my ex was still sleeping.
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And then he would wake up the next morning. He's
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like, oh, my God, what's going on? I'm like,
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I don't know. I had to change my clothes. I go,
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it's probably just training. Like, it's probably
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just because I'm coming from one Ironman. Eight
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weeks later, I'm getting ready for the world
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championship in Hawaii. Like, my body is like,
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in my mind, my body's like, oh, it's just working
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out. Well, come to find out being certified in
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menopause, a menopause course, I realized I pretty
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much jumpstarted my menopause, even though I
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was already going through it with perimenopause
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and menopause and all that stuff with the ablation.
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Exactly. So that was me just chalking it up like,
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oh, I'm just training. I'm heavy training. You
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know, I'm just and I was drenched. I was drenched.
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Sheets were drenched, you know, and I go ahead.
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So did you get any support as soon as you noticed
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this was happening? So you had your ablation
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and it was an endometrial ablation. So, you know,
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that happens and it pushes you right into menopause,
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like you just mentioned, but you didn't really
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start feeling the night sweats till after. Is
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that what I'm hearing right now in terms of actually
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symptoms? Yeah, I didn't feel them until I didn't
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see the night sweats until 2017. But I had the
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ablation in early 2016. Right. Isn't that wild
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that this happened? So what did you do as soon
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as you found out like you're telling your ex?
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Oh, my gosh, this must be my training. You know,
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we try to brush it off. But when did you get
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help? Like when did it start interfering with
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your life? Let's just say that. It didn't. Oh,
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you're one of those unicorns. Okay. No, no, no.
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And this is what I, this is what I told you about.
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I don't let menopause and perimenopause rule
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my life. I work out. I eat. the way I want it.
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Like I get so fucking frustrated, excuse the
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language. No worries here. Oh, I get so frustrated
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when I reach out, when we, people reach out to
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me, it's like, how do you do it? They're like,
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well, I've gained weight. I, you know, I work
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out or I've gained weight. Okay. What are you
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doing for your workouts? Well, I don't really
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work out. Well, what are you doing for your nutrition?
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Well, I just sort of eat, like eat little things
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here and there. Well, first of all, you're starving
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yourself. Second of all, you're not moving. Like,
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you know, like you're doing like things that
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you shouldn't be doing, you know, like you're
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eating like crap and you're not working out.
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Well, of course you're going to gain weight.
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I don't care if it's menopause or non -menopause,
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you're going to gain the weight. But let me back
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up a little bit. I, I was, I had a podcast briefly.
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I stopped it. The stuff is still out there, but
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I had a really good interview with a company
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called Femgevity and they specialize in menopause
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as well. And after I chatted with them, I was
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like, huh, maybe I should try some progesterone,
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estrogen, that type of thing. Like, you know,
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and I started taking the progesterone, slept
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like a baby. Did very well with it. If I took
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the 200 milligrams of progesterone, I felt like
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I was drunk. So I had to bring that down to one.
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Then I ended up going on the estradiol patch.
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And I had cream testosterone. And I hated everything
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about it. I put on weight. I broke out like a
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15 -year -old child. And that's exactly what
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the birth control pill did to me. The same thing.
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Gained weight and broke out. Like I'm not talking
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about like a little pimple here or there. I'm
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talking about like the cystic hormonal acne at
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52 years old. Wow. Wow. I am on nothing other
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than supplements and like fish oils. And I get
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the occasional little pimple here and there from
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the sun. And there you go. I took myself off
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all HRT, all of it. Right. And I just, I cannot
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do it. Like, and I'll be very transparent to
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living in Costa Rica. It was very hard to get
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the estradiol and the progesterone. I'm sorry.
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The testosterone cream progesterone easy. I could
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go into the. If you all come down to Costa Rica,
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you just want to go into and you don't need a
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prescription. You just ask for progesterone and
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they'll give you some. But that, you know, that
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was actually helpful on that. But then I got
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to a point where I'm like, you know what? I don't
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need this. Well, that's great. Yeah. If you don't
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need it, I applaud you for trying it, though.
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right thank you why not and then he made the
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decision that nope this is not for me and that
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is fantastic too and now you're thriving in post
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you're thriving i can i i i can hear it i can
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see it and now you're coach jen so coach jen
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tell us about Yeah. And I've been coached, I've
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been coached Jen for a long time. Like, so absolutely.
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Yeah. Yeah. I've coached. So just, I coached
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triathletes for, and I'm still coaching triathletes.
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I'm going to Hawaii this year to see, to coach
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my triathletes. So it's like a full circle moment
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for me. I'm just like over the moon about it.
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But, but yeah, I'm coached Jen. And now it's
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for women. So continue. Sorry. All right. So
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this is what I want to know, because you are
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a woman supporting women. You have a lot of knowledge
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in many areas, especially in the health and wellness,
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you know, in a triath and Ironman. And this is
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where I find the most credible people. to talk
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to me because I can talk to doctors until the
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sun comes out. And then I'll be like, okay, 50
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% of them may know what they're talking about.
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And the other 50 % have no idea what they're
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talking about. Right. Because they just don't
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have the, and people don't understand. And especially
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in post, which is really important. And I even
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have the problem of motivating myself. getting
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myself out of the bed, getting myself to the
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gym. And I know a lot of it comes down to mindset.
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And this is where I know I suffer a little bit
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of, and so do a lot of the users out there or
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the viewers, because they like, you know, I just
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don't want to, like you said, I don't want to
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go to the gym. Now I don't work out a lot and
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I don't know what I want to eat. You know, that's
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a lot of us. And I know that, you know, I'm a
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30 year fitness instructor myself. I know exactly
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what to do, but I know there are days I don't
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want to get out of bed. Still to this day. Right.
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And I'm on HRT. I'm on antidepressant, anti -anxiety.
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And I have been before the HRT. So as coach Jen,
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tell us when you have clients like myself who
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are like, you know, how do we get into that mindset?
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Like, I love the I love athletes, pro athletes
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like yourself, because you have that mindset.
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And I know having that discipline, too. I was
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a dancer for 22 years, so I know exactly what
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that is. But I've lost it. And I know many of
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my friends have too. So tell us, how would you
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coach us back into that mindset, getting back
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into being excited to go back to the gym, getting
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excited about the next chapter of our lives as
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we get older? Yeah, absolutely. I love that question.
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I think, you know, what I'm all about is I'm
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not going to say, all right, let's go do an Ironman,
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y 'all. You know, I would never do that to y
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'all. But what I would start off with is just
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the baby steps, right? I would start giving you
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small wins, small goals. So every day would be
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that small goal. So then that would be a win.
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You know, so it's like, oh, I checked off 90
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ounces of water today. Oh, I checked off my supplements
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today. Oh, I checked off. Oh, I was able to do
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a workout at home because I wasn't able to get
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to the gym. Like that's three wins in one day.
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That's phenomenal. right? I'm not going to say
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to y 'all like, all right, we're going to, we're
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going to walk 10 ,000 steps a day. We're going
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to go to the gym five days a week. You're going
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to surf. You're going to do this. You're going
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to do Zumba. You're going to do this. You're
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going to do that. Like, no, like I really want
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to start like programming the mind and the body
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together. And that's where I come in with my
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four pillars. We talk about the movement. We
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talk about the mindset. We talk about the meaning.
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And we talk about the metabolism piece. So really,
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I try to pull that all in. Like, okay, why? I
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mean, great question. And if you've never seen
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the TEDx talk by Simon Sinek, like finding your
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why, it's one of the best TEDx talks out there.
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And he has built a brand off of that. And I highly
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recommend it. But it really talks about like,
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what is your why as you are living the second
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half of your life? Is it because you have kids?
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You got grandbabies? You have, you know, you
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want to. be around for them. I don't know like
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that, you know, I don't have kids, but I have
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a niece, she sees what I'm doing. And she's 17
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years old. And I mean, she was just texting me
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this morning, you know, like, how great is that?
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It's Aunt Jennifer down in Costa Rica, you know,
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I think it's beautiful. But like, I think back
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about like, My why, you know, I had a couple
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of wise in my Ironman space, but now as I'm coaching
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women, my why is to really helping women find
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their voice through my four, four M's movement,
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meaning mindset and metabolism. And it all starts
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with in. Yes. And that is even just listening
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to you. I'm like. Wow, that is very powerful,
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what you just said. And your four pillars make
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absolute sense. You know, it's just something
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that... you know, we can sit back and many women,
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like I still have teenagers. I have a 14 year
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old and a 16 year old and they drive me bonkers.
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So yeah, so when they were starting their periods,
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I was going through Perry. So lots of estrogen,
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right? Oh my God, I can't imagine at that age.
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Exactly. I remember that age. Oh yes, so do I.
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It's like karma. Thank you so much. But nonetheless.
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A lot of us women also, you know, I've had a
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job loss, right? And I've had a courtroom loss
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with my ex just recently. And it's like, oh my
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God, before I would be on the ceiling, just like
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if I'm anxiety of it all. And now it's like,
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okay, let's just calm it down. It's not as bad
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as we seem, as it seems. Good things are coming
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to us. But there are a lot of women in the same
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predicament where they're like, you know, I'd
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love to have these small wins. And I think that's
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exactly. what's a great place to start are these
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small wins. I tell my daughters, if you make
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your bed in the morning, that's a small win.
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You've done your first job of the day. And they
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said, well, why am I going to make it up when
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I'm just going to get back in and make it messy
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again? And I said, well, that's not the point.
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The point is that you're going to have a small
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goal. So I completely agree with that approach.
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And this is fantastic. Jen, tell me about where
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they can find you. Absolutely. Yeah. You can
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go to my website, JenRulan .com. And, but I'm
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very active on Instagram, Coach Jen Rulan, very
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active. We met on threads. That's right. I've
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been enjoying threads more recently. And then
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you could also go to TikTok, Coach Jen Rulan.
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And then I also have started my sub stack. Okay.
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And that is really enjoyable because I've been,
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I love writing. And I feel like the blogs are
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very like my, on my website, the blogs are very
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like robotic. Oh, here's the top five, you know,
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strength trainings that you need to do as a woman
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in menopause, blah, blah, blah. But like Substack
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is like, just like some aha moments that I had,
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like, like yesterday, last night I had a really
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weird dream. And, and then when I was out working
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out, working out at my house. all of a sudden
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I put it all together. I'm like, okay, this makes
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sense now, you know, but, but I'll probably write
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about that, you know, because it will be something,
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you know, very monumental because it was something
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that I had a vision from my, from my ex and I've
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been divorced, you know, I mean, we started going
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through therapy in 2019. So it's been seven years.
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But we've been divorced since 2022. But sometimes
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those things pop up. And that's another thing
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that when I work with women, it's not just women
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in menopause and perimenopause. It's women that
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have gone through a divorce, maybe a breakup,
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loss of a child, loss of a parent. And so a lot
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of these women that I work with, it's like, all
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right, I don't want to focus on you and the past
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relationship or that. It's time to focus on you.
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Absolutely. That's the key, right? We tend to
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lose ourselves, right? And then when we come
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back, it's kind of like, why did I lose myself
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all that time, right? And us and women with kids
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or they're in the sandwich generation, right?
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And it's like taking care of the older parents
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where I'm at right now. And it's something that
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we need to, I tell my friends too, you have to
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put yourself first. In every aspect. Jen, this
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has been fantastic because, again, I know people
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that are watching this and listening to it at
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the same time that they're going to take this
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information because it's different when somebody
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is like a 20 -year -old influencer that says,
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you know, do all this stuff. Exactly. Do all
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this. stuff and you can look like you know i'm
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like darling we were 20 years old once wait till
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you hit our age right and then you know what
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let's be real at 20 years old we're drinking
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diet coke going out drinking and eating mcdonald's
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and we're doing just fine that's right we can't
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do that anymore ladies as much as it sounds amazing
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but we can't i know maybe once a year if you
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go on vacation but that's about absolutely for
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sure for sure Yeah. And and this is great that
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we have someone like you who is available remotely
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to the around the world. Right. And you have
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your sub stacks, which are not written by AI.
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Thank God. This is from your voice. Right. So
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the credibility here is amazing. And so I want
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to say to my users, to my viewers, you know,
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you know, take Jen's advice. Look at her sub
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stacks. Look at her Web site. And I will have
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that information, by the way, in the comments
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section so you can easily follow her. And please
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share, like, and also pass it forward. You know,
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you never know who can use this advice because
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when I'm listening to Jen, it's like, yep, it
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all makes sense. And yes, we just get that mindset
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in and let's go for it. Do it for you, right?
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Do it for yourself. Awesome. Jen, thank you so
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much again for coming on. You're such a pleasure.
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And I'm going to come visit you one day in Costa
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Rica. Yes. Hey, I have a retreat December 6 through
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the 12th. Yes. Yes, that's a total plug. No problem.
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No. And we'll put that too in the comments so
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that you can try and attend Jen's retreat. That
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is fantastic. I'm looking into those myself because
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I think it's time for me now to connect with
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these wonderful people and women supporting women.
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That's what we call it, right? So to my viewers
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and my users and my listeners, again, thank you
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so much for coming on. And I just want to end
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off with my mantra, which is be safe. Be well
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and embrace the pause.
