Change Your Perception, Change Your Reality — Penney Peirce on Frequency, Intuition & Consciousness

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Everything is now unity, and imagination is now manifestation.
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Welcome to Unity Manifest Podcast. Here is your host, Gary Cacciolillo.
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Enjoy the experience. Welcome, everyone, to another episode of Unity
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Manifest Podcast. I am your host, Gary Cacciolillo. Today, our
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guest is Penny Pierce, and she is the author of Frequency,
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and she was a big influence on me back in
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the day when I was just learning about the connection
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between metaphysics, religion, spirituality, quantum physics, and how they all
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fit together. Thank you for coming on today.
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It's good to be back.
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Okay. So, you know, what, what is that, you know,
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made you start connecting the dots between, you know, physics,
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metaphysics and manifesting and all that? Like, like where did
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it start for you?
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Yeah, I think it started very early for me, like
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in my early teens where I started to think about, um,
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religion and why there were wars over different religions. That
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just didn't seem logical to me because I sensed that
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the core of every religion was the same thing. You know,
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it was a need to have a connection to something
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that they could trust or to memory or something like that.
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And so I started studying all different religions and looking
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for that core thing. And then I realized that I
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I didn't want to be a religion. And I wanted
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to go to that truth that was inside of everything.
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And that started my sort of quest or my remembering
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of things. And then I started to understand more about
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metaphysical truths. And I studied. I moved up to Marin County, California,
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of all places. And of course, when I got there,
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there were all these classes on metaphysics and I studied
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clairvoyance development because at that time I was a corporate
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art director graphic designer and so visual I was really
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visual and got symbols and stuff but those things led
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me more and more to a sense of I guess
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you would say abstract or understanding principles or the laws
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of the universe or you know core things because I
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was always like I want to go to the heart
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of things. I don't want to look at the outside
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superficial misinterpretations and different opinions about things. I want to
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go to what's really real.
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Right.
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Yeah. And so that's still my motivation. And so I
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really started to see the connection between metaphysics and physics.
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They were two frequencies of the same thing. really, you know,
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at high frequency and then it would materialize and come
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down into physical 3D world and it turned into something,
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you know, earthy. And then it started to go back
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out with quantum and back into the metaphysical world, but
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it was still left brain. You know, and so I
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started to really understand a lot about left and right
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brain and holistic perception rather than just mental perception And
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so that's where I started getting a lot into intuition.
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And I taught intuition development classes for so long and
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then wrote The Intuitive Way, was my first book. And
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now I'm working on the 11th book. Yeah. But I
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would write one, and then I would start to grow.
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And then the next book, I always said it was
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like airplanes lining up to land. The next... uh, phase
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of the explanation would start coming through. And so now
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I'm working on a book on money and transformation. But
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basically when you go back to physics and metaphysics, there,
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it's almost like alchemy is in there somewhere, you know,
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like from the physics part, you're, you're doing the transformation
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or transmigration or whatever we want to call those words,
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trans words, um, into a higher state, into the higher
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frequency of itself. And it's like magic. Very fascinating to me.
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And it feels like the higher frequency you go, the
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more you get into some very core truths that are
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deeply spiritual. And by spiritual, I mean very high dimensional
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you know I don't label the dimensions after we're doing
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3D because it's all one big thing out there you
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know there are a lot of levels but they're all
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at the same time there's no time you know and
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it's to me it's kind of a mental exercise to
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say it's the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th dimension it's
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like oh come on you know it's physical and non-physical
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to me and yet Even in physical, we have rocks
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and plants and animals and bugs. And there's dimensions and
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frequencies all merged in here, too.
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Right. Yeah, it's like a scaling. If we can kind
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of say, okay, there's this, there might be that, and
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we can label them. The boundaries even between them are
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kind of blurred. We just know that things constantly... change
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to further we go out one of the things you
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mentioned you know is perception you know a lot of
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times that's all you really have is our perception and
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one of the things that i think i kind of
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learned really from from your early from that book was
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that by changing my perception it changed the world around
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me that's.
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So true because it's all connected right um You know,
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I wrote a book called Leap of Perception that comes
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after frequency. And it is about the shifting of the
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way we, it's like an inner geometry that we hold
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about how we see things working. And the old one
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is linear, right? So you've got a beginning, middle, end, past, present, future.
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It's all on a line, you know. and your goal
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is over there out there in the future but the
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new perception as you get to higher frequencies is spherical
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and so i'm here in the center point of my
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ball and and my aura comes out from there as
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a higher frequency and then it gets higher and higher
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and higher and higher and more inclusive and more inclusive
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and more dimensional and you're you're including all of the
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physical world and understanding all kinds of people and everything
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about the earth and the planet. And then you go
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into the non-physical dimensions and you're understanding all about emotion
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and feeling and sensing and higher ways of knowing and
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merging all that together. And then as you expand yourself
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into higher frequencies, things that you need are already inside
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your ball with you. You don't have to have a
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goal over there. It's already there. And if you think
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of it, you have it. Because everything is in that
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present moment. The ball is the present moment. There's no future.
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Past and future are in the ball. Right now.
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Yeah, yeah. The only thing we experience is the moment.
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And typically, I think by the time I realize what's
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happening in the moment, it's already gone anyway. So.
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What is there, though? There's nothing there to prevent me
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from creating the moment. Really. I can create whatever moment
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I want to experience next.
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True. Yes. Yes. And nothing's ever lost. You have an experience,
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you have an insight, and then maybe you forget it,
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but it's on the shelf. I was thinking like a pantry.
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You're going to go get the ingredients out to make
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a cake. And then when you're finished, you put them back,
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the ones you haven't used. And everything's there. It's like
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the Akashic Records, you know, the memory banks of the planet.
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It's all there. And if you need it, it comes
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to you. And you suddenly have a, oh, I remember
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the lyrics to that song that I really liked, you know,
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or whatever it was. There's no Alzheimer's, you know, in
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that realm. Everything's there and available. And if you ask
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for it, if you really truly choose, choice is very
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important because that's your instructions to the field. You know,
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what you choose is who you are in that moment.
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And you can change yourself. We're not stuck with destitution
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and suffering. Because we can change that by the way
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we perceive, like you were saying.
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Yeah, we were just taught that we had to deal
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with it that way. Like we were taught that linear thinking.
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We were taught good thinking. Bad, right, wrong, do something
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or do nothing. Those were the choices for ever. But
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one of the things that really helped me was doing
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3D meditations, visualizing three-dimensional shapes. For me, it was this.
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It's called the cube of space. It's using tarot cards.
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And you visualize the tarot cards in the shape of
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a cube around you in a particular order. And one
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of the things I think that does, did, for me anyway,
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is it increased my spatial perception.
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Yeah.
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And when you increase your spatial perception, obviously right away
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you're going to have more choices available to you because
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you're seeing a little bit out further than you were before.
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So you have more information to make a decision.
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Yeah yeah and and here back in my shelf here
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i've got the this thing yeah you know the whole
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thing and it goes like this and it comes back
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in and this is more our reality now you know
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it's like i'm a physical being i'm i'm an emotional
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being i'm a mental being i'm a spiritual being it
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just keeps going and including more and more of higher
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frequency knowledge. And as it gets tighter, it gets more
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3D and a little denser and slower, but it's still
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a frequency.
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Yeah, or just compressed.
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Yeah. It's interesting.
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It is interesting. And it's nice to not necessarily have
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to look at everything as good, bad, or, you know,
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to have those choices and And it kind of circles
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right back to what you said at the beginning of
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when we started talking. It's like when you were young,
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you looked at the world and said, why is there war? Right.
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When there's all these other stuff.
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It's illogical. It just didn't feel right to me. And
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a lot of things like that. And maybe if we
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would trust our gut a little more. Because we brought
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in all of our past life knowledge with us. We
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know stuff, even as little kids. And, you know, kids,
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they say, all of the things that come out of
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kids' mouths. Well, they're not dumb. They're full of wisdom. And,
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you know, if we validate children for their wisdom and
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what they know already, they're going to come into themselves
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much faster. You know? But I think we had to
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do it ourselves. You know, it's like, oh, this is
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what I, you know, I have to have a strong
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sense of, you know, maybe selfishness or something in the
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beginning to hold yourself together and feel like I know
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what I know. You know, I like that.
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Yeah, for me, I think it's been a strong sense
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of pursuit and curiosity that has really pushed me.
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Yeah, that's another.
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They're looking for the truth. You said before, you were
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looking for that truth, you know, and 60 years later,
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still looking for that truth. Right. And truthfully, I don't
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even believe anybody who says he found that truth. So,
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you know, I think it's the search, the growth, the
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expansion that really is what's important.
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It may be that the ultimate truth is where we
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give up looking for it and just going into being.
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And then we just have surrendered into total knowingness, total everything, consciousness.
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But the left brain just still wants to know why
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and wants labels and wants to define it. That's what
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its purpose is. And it's good. It helps us survive.
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but it also holds us back. So we've got to,
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you know, we're working, I think, with balancing right now
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that left brain ability to make things conscious and have meaning,
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but also the right brain, which is the open doorway
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into the all that is, into intuition, intuition being basically
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the method of accessing until we are just so open
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that it just comes through without trying. and that direct
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knowing thing, you know, which then we have a mechanism,
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I think, in the brain where we access, we get
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the aha, and then it immediately transfers into the left brain,
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and then there's a definition or a seeking of a
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word or languaging that will describe that thing and ground it.
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But then the problem is we get attached to that definition.
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and get stuck in it. Right.
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Or I know for me, sometimes I just define things
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inaccurately or something are not definable, probably in human language.
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Yeah.
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Like, like there's things that I feel sometimes in my
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body that I can't necessarily define with words. You know,
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sometimes somebody will ask me, what are you feeling? I'm like,
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I don't know how to describe it. I just feel it. Yeah.
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Yeah. yes you know I think I I started writing
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poetry really early in my life and then that helped
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me a lot to go into nuances of feeling in
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order to get some kind of word or wording or
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rhythm of something in language in order to convey a
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state of being you know but still beyond all that
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There's no need for the description. Right. You know, and
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that's I think where a lot of us are heading
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because we are having various processes happening to us today.
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If we're open for evolution, if we want it, we're
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starting to clear away all of our fears and old
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belief systems. And I call it old human thinking, you know,
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that is linear.
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Yeah. What is it you think that's happening right now?
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I think that we've been experiencing an acceleration of energy
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and consciousness on the planet for quite a number of years,
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that it keeps, you know, accelerating. And every time it does,
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it sort of hits our stuck places, things that we've
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either attached our belief systems to or like attached our
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identity to a belief. you know, a fixed idea and
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rattles it. Or it brings you a snag in your
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life or some upset or some surfacing of a bubble
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of bad memory. And then we have to not run
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away from it and suppress it, but go into it
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and feel it and be with it to see what's
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under it, to go into it further. And then it evaporates.
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And then you've got more of an insight about who
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you really are. And then a new one comes, you know,
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and that's been a process for a long time. But
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now it's at a very intense level. And for those
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who have made the choice to open and clear themselves
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and become transparent, it doesn't take as long. It's like
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I started noticing every place I get uncomfortable or when
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discomfort shows up. And that's almost like a force that's
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pushing us forward into a new insight. Not something that
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I should go sleep or avoid or something. But they're
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subtle things now, often. Little buttons or triggers start coming up.
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or something that you have that is very scary, that
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you don't want to feel. But it's going to come,
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so you might as well say, okay, you know, and
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let it. But a lot of that is happening. And
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then in concert with that, I think a lot of
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people I know right now have withdrawn a lot from
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their typical work and are going into like almost a
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temporary hermit stage or a period where I don't need
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to be out in public as much. Because it's the
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wrong kind of consciousness, and I need to strengthen my
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sense of new perception. You know, this new human kind
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of consciousness is coming in now. High for and normalize it.
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And if you get out there and get reminded of
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the old ideas and get frustrated or whatever and get triggered,
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it just sets you back a bit. So we do
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need a quieting down period, I think, withdrawing a little bit.
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And now people are starting to feel, oh, something's coming,
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new kind of work, a new this, a new that,
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and getting a little bit excited now about regenerating in
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the new framework. Does that make sense?
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It does. It makes a lot of sense. It makes
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a lot of sense to me on different levels, too.
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It makes sense to me. Just on a spiritual level,
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but it also makes sense to me, too, on a
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technological level, too. Because in some ways, I think the
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two are connected because the more we're able to understand
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and learn through technology, that can also feed how much
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we can learn and understand spiritually also.
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Say more about that. That's interesting.
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It's pretty simple. Like, say, for example, it used to
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take me.
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I don't know, two weeks to read a book. You know?
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Now I can take that same book, put it through ChatGDP,
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and have it teach me everything in that book in
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a couple hours. So I'm able to put a lot
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more information into my mind quicker. So... By being able
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to do that, especially spiritual content, symbols, symbolism, math, things
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like that, the quicker you can move some of that
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progress and evolution along. So, you know, just like in general,
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like think about we used to have to write letters
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and put them in the mail and send them to
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each other. And now I can talk to you on Zoom.
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It changed everything. It changes how we spread the information
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and how quickly it spreads and how we learn it.
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Yeah, I see that. I also, I mean, I have
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a fondness or a sense of importance about handwriting something
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or about reading the book because as a writer, there
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are styles, there's beauty, there's nuance. there's languaging that holds
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energy that holds a particular, and I've always written that
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way to try to have whatever I'm saying to encapsulate
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the actual experience and energy of the thing I'm describing,
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which AI does not do.
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No, no, there's definitely, there's definitely two sides to it.
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You know, there's information transfer and then there's something else
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that comes along with reading a book.
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Right. Like, I'm working with some people now who are
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interpreting their dreams through AI, you know, and, oh, it
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gives them meanings for symbology, but they're not getting it themselves.
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You know, I just finished doing a second edition of
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my dream dictionary for dummies, which actually is an incredible
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book because it takes, we added like a hundred new
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symbols into, into it. And, um, And each one I
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interpreted by what would this mean if it were about
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your physical process? What would it mean if it were
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about your emotional process? What would it mean if it
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were about your mental spiritual process? So I'm looking at
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a symbol in three different frequencies. And that helps people
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learn how to interpret symbols. Because I want people to
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learn to do it themselves with their own not have, go,
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let's go get GPT and have that do.
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It for us.
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And atrophy.
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Yeah, my feeling, though, is people aren't going to get
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it unless they're ready to get it anyway. Yeah. You
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know what I mean? Like that three levels of symbols,
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somebody who's not ready to get it isn't going to
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get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But You
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have some people, too, that I think they're so busy
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trying to survive, you know, that the quicker the technology helps.
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I think it does speed things up.
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Do you think it leads them to develop their own skills, though?
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Yeah.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I do. And I say that based on my
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own experience, I think, with the podcast. Over the last
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six years of doing this podcast and interviewing so many people,
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I think I myself have developed the way of thinking
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that I would have never, ever been able to develop
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by reading books. Uh-huh. I gotcha. So there's no way
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I could have connected to 600 people. Yeah. Through writing
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a book or through reading a book.
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Yeah.
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And learning what I've learned.
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Yes.
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So, yeah.
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Part of it is speed. You know, this need for
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speed that's happening today, which is an external sign or
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symbol or whatever of the acceleration.
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Yeah, it's definitely speed.
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But it's being externalized in reading, you know, listening to
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a video at two times speed or whatever, you know.
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I am like, slow down. Get in your body. Feel things.
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Be with it. Let it show you things. You know,
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that's why I, you know, nature, things that are physical.
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We are still going to be physical here, even if
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we get enlightened. And the way to handle the people
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who are not enlightened or the public or whatever is
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out there at a lower frequency is compassion. Keep yourself
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open to see the soul in people, to see the
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core purpose of things, to love the plants. Don't go
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so fast that everybody just cuts down trees right and left,
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or it doesn't understand the life force that's in a tree,
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for God's sake. It's an amazing being.
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I think we're headed for that. Remember earlier before the episode,
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we were talking about money. I mentioned how I think
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money is going to become this obsolete thing.
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Yeah, me too.
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Because we're not going to need it. We're not going
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to need it in space if we're living in a colony.
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But there are two things that we are going to
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need and we're going to have to rely on. Technology
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and agriculture. I think those two things could are really
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what we need to continue as a species. I would say...
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And spirituality, too.
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Well, on Earth, yeah. But I think that we need.
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The things that technology is doing for us, we can
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do ourselves through telepathy, through honing all the inner senses,
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all the clairs, you know. The human being is... only
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using a fraction of what we can do and know.
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Yeah, it's like we were put to sleep.
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Yeah, it is. It's like we've been under hypnosis or
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something and we're coming back. But I think that we
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have capacities that are, you know, yeah, we can use technology,
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but we're so much greater in a way to do
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it directly from ourselves. ourselves to ourselves. Especially as what's coming,
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we're getting... We're taking our individuality and upping it to
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such a high degree of functionality and transparency and pristine,
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crystalline nature, you know, that it is like a... Hard
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to even describe it. I can only make a sound
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to try to describe it. And that then, as that happens,
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it starts to connect in with the other individuals who
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are also in that tone, in that consciousness level. And
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then more and more. And so you're still an individual
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in that, like ringing that tone. And then it's vibrating
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through the whole of individuality. into humanity that is making
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a giant, beautiful music of the spheres or whatever it is.
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And the kind of knowledge that comes through that tone
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is phenomenal. And it is always based on love, harmony, integrity,
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you know, those things that we've called out as things
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in the 3D world, they're all merged in that higher knowledge.
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And we're going into that or going back into it
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after having had this unique experience on Earth in 3D
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as humans that allows us to have emotion and feeling,
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which just mental and just technology is never going to
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get at. It's not going to understand what compassion is
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and what the golden rule is all about. And so
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I feel like we must have a balance in ourselves
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and the value of being a human being, a 3D
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being with other forms. It's what a gift, not every
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being gets to come and do this. And so, yes,
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Technology is cool, it's important, it's helpful. And we're so
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much more than that, to me. And that includes our physicalness,
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our humanness, our emotion, our ability to communicate with consciousness,
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to travel with consciousness, all kinds of stuff.
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All we are is consciousness.
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Yeah. yeah if you go down into your body into
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a cell into an electron it's just right there it's
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just a brain yeah.
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There really is no matter matter.
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No it's a holographic brain every particle is the whole
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thing and it's like and everything knows everything it's hard
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to comprehend when you're in linear thinking You can't get
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there because it's not big enough. It's so squished and limited.
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Yeah. Sometimes it does seem like two separate worlds.
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Yeah.
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But it's not. Just like when I'm trying to explain
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the technology thing, I feel like I missed the point.
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I'm not saying we need technology. that could replace us
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or anything like that. But I'm just saying, like, as
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far as governments, religions, money, all of that stuff can
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be replaced by technology while humans are doing human things.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? And I think that's where we can make
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a leap. You know, it actually could give us the
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opportunity to really focus... on what's important, which is love
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and kindness and growing as people. Once we get agriculture
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and technology down, I don't think we have to struggle
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to survive. We don't have to worry about war. We
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don't have to worry about energy. We don't have to
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worry about how to get from here to there.
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And health.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, we can make choices, maybe, on
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how long we want to live. Yeah.
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Yeah. Right. But it's an exciting time to be alive,
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even though it's chaotic. And part of that chaos that
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we're living through now of authoritarianism and all that kind
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of thing, it's old subconscious fears coming to the surface,
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trying to stay in control by the ego. And that
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ego is slowly... I mean, they call it ego death.
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But what it is, is that... I just had this
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insight the other day that when you're in the flow,
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and you're just moment, moment, moment, and you're not holding
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on to the moment and grasping and trying to fixate it,
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when you're truly in the flow, there's no ego. There
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is no fixation. And identity... Our identity basically is ego
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right now in the way we think of ourselves. Ego
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has defined us. You're this, you're a woman, you're this,
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and blah, blah, blah. You're good or you're bad. And
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when you are in the flow so much and not
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having to project yourself as a good or bad or
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get attention or money, it just starts to open you
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to everything. Yeah. And so that identity, a little bit,
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is in the way. What you get to be known
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for is a quality of consciousness that comes through you
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that doesn't need to have a name. And there are
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many of these qualities of individual beings. But we don't...
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Do you know what I'm saying? It's like we can
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just go in and be with and feel... into empathically. Yeah.
482
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.599
Like our intuition, you know, we just had that, that,
483
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:06.329
that inner knowing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we were talking
484
00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:10.269
about that earlier too, you know, like sometimes like what
485
00:35:10.289 --> 00:35:12.630
I experienced with the triangular book, it just kind of like,
486
00:35:12.769 --> 00:35:15.510
I knew what to look for, you know, or, or
487
00:35:15.530 --> 00:35:17.250
a lot of times, like almost most of the stuff
488
00:35:17.269 --> 00:35:21.150
that I do, I don't really know why I do it.
489
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:22.550
I just do it.
490
00:35:25.690 --> 00:35:25.989
Yes.
491
00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:27.829
Yes. I know.
492
00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:31.179
Like I had this voice that said, you're supposed to
493
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.099
write your next. I thought I was going to write
494
00:35:33.139 --> 00:35:35.300
this other book. I had it outlined. And then I'm
495
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.320
in the middle of a session with a client and
496
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.539
this voice comes in and says, you're supposed to write
497
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.199
about money and transformation. And I'm like money. What do
498
00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:47.409
I know about money? You know, I, and then it
499
00:35:47.449 --> 00:35:50.110
wouldn't go away. It would not go away. And I
500
00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:52.789
was like, okay, well, so what? And then as soon
501
00:35:52.849 --> 00:35:57.250
as I started, the channel opened or whatever, the floodgates,
502
00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:00.329
and I got ideas. And it started to show me
503
00:36:00.409 --> 00:36:05.050
what it was going to be about. And, you know,
504
00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:08.429
but I think you have to say yes a lot
505
00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:13.010
to these things that show up for you, even if
506
00:36:13.050 --> 00:36:14.849
they seem like off the wall.
507
00:36:17.070 --> 00:36:23.460
Yeah, yeah. The trusting is weird. And also... Sometimes for me,
508
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.960
trying to distinguish the inner voice in my own ego.
509
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.389
Sometimes I'm trying to tell the two a bar is
510
00:36:33.489 --> 00:36:36.070
tricky for me. In fact, sometimes the only way for
511
00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:37.889
me to tell is through trial and error.
512
00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:44.809
Yeah. Sometimes I can go back to remember how I
513
00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:50.659
navigated myself when I was like three, four, five, six,
514
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:56.590
seven years old. And it just was so direct. Like,
515
00:36:56.630 --> 00:37:00.050
I feel like I want to play horse, you know,
516
00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:03.940
or I want to do this or go draw a bird.
517
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.400
And then I didn't think right or wrong or why
518
00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:12.860
or anything. I just would go, you know. And it
519
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:13.559
wasn't ego.
520
00:37:14.019 --> 00:37:18.869
Right. It wasn't solid enough. Like, now it's so quick
521
00:37:18.929 --> 00:37:21.289
for me. Like, I can't catch it all the time.
522
00:37:22.010 --> 00:37:25.030
you know, so I'll end up with conflicting ideas in
523
00:37:25.050 --> 00:37:29.550
my mind. So typically my answer is I'll just try
524
00:37:29.630 --> 00:37:31.070
both and see which one will work.
525
00:37:32.369 --> 00:37:35.039
Yeah. I think you got there with solid as a word.
526
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:38.159
That's a feeling. It has a kind of thickness. There's,
527
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:42.699
there's some kind of a, um, an edge, edge around
528
00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:48.320
it or something. Um, but I think, um, Like when
529
00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:51.940
you're in a creative process, you don't overthink things or
530
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.219
the whole flow stops. You know, and overthinking is a
531
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:59.880
lot of yes buts. That, you know, you're arguing with yourself.
532
00:38:00.139 --> 00:38:04.150
Like it's just shoulds. Those things don't enter in anymore.
533
00:38:04.210 --> 00:38:05.710
And I think we can start to get rid of
534
00:38:05.750 --> 00:38:10.130
them in our vocabulary. And every time we stop ourself
535
00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:15.989
with should or yeah but. And then what's behind that?
536
00:38:16.449 --> 00:38:19.760
It's probably not your own. Yeah, it's probably somebody else's idea.
537
00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:23.260
Yeah, there is no should. There is no right way.
538
00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:26.340
There is no wrong way, you know. And I guess
539
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.599
that's what I'm kind of saying is like the idea
540
00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:31.219
of just trying both. You know, like one's not right,
541
00:38:31.340 --> 00:38:34.639
one's not wrong. You know, one might work better than
542
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.079
the other. I don't know.
543
00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:40.880
Or they work well together or in oscillation.
544
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:45.429
In different ways, yeah. One might work on this level,
545
00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:48.860
one might work on this level. You know, there's so
546
00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:52.360
many other choices that we have available that we weren't taught.
547
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.260
Right. And that's all part of creativity, isn't it? I mean,
548
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:02.940
that combining of things that we've known, but not combined before.
549
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:05.340
You know?
550
00:39:06.260 --> 00:39:11.619
And, yeah, that's part of our learning process today, I think.
551
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.780
I think we were talking earlier about how, like, I
552
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.940
can just hear a phrase now And get, or a
553
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.260
word even sometimes. And then I hear like one degree
554
00:39:23.380 --> 00:39:26.380
off from the norm and it's like ding you know
555
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:32.480
and I get things come in or they dissolve like
556
00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:36.440
I realized one day a year or so ago I
557
00:39:36.460 --> 00:39:39.690
just the karma I thought I had I didn't have
558
00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:43.710
it it was like what happened I don't have that
559
00:39:43.889 --> 00:39:48.150
trigger I'm not plugged in about this like it was
560
00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:53.050
wild like Part of the acceleration is that things can
561
00:39:53.090 --> 00:39:57.650
happen instantaneously because everything's in the present moment. So when
562
00:39:57.670 --> 00:40:01.869
you let go of something, it's gone. You're not holding
563
00:40:01.909 --> 00:40:04.969
it to yourself. It's a potential if you want to
564
00:40:05.010 --> 00:40:07.570
get it and hold it again. You can have that,
565
00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:11.170
you know, that behavior if you want. But if you
566
00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:15.489
don't want it, then drop it. And it dissolves, goes
567
00:40:15.610 --> 00:40:18.969
back into the pantry. You know, and if you don't
568
00:40:19.010 --> 00:40:20.449
need it, you don't get it again.
569
00:40:21.650 --> 00:40:24.210
It's a strange idea that you can do what you want.
570
00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:31.619
That is true. That is so true.
571
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:37.579
I never really felt like I could do what I wanted,
572
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:39.599
but the truth is we can all kind of do
573
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:40.300
what we want.
574
00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:48.130
Yeah, yeah. And there are repercussions, especially if it's something
575
00:40:48.150 --> 00:40:51.469
that goes against the universal principles of you're going to
576
00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:56.380
get corrected by the universal principles, you know, like the law.
577
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:00.519
I always used to say in relationships, you know, like
578
00:41:00.579 --> 00:41:02.860
if you take three steps toward a person and they
579
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.239
only take two toward you, you get rejected by one
580
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:10.289
step's worth of energy, you know, because it has to equalize,
581
00:41:10.309 --> 00:41:14.150
it has to be balanced. It's the same way, you know,
582
00:41:14.590 --> 00:41:18.039
in your choices. In a way, it's like.
583
00:41:19.610 --> 00:41:22.619
If you choose to rob a bank and take things
584
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.139
away from other people, then something will be taken away
585
00:41:25.179 --> 00:41:30.699
from you. That's the law. And our law tries to
586
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.079
copy that, but it's not always as good as universal law.
587
00:41:36.550 --> 00:41:39.429
Yeah, we see it all the time in nature.
588
00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:43.630
Yeah, and that's physics too, isn't it?
589
00:41:44.789 --> 00:41:52.849
Yeah, negative, positive. Everywhere. Everywhere. Protons, electrons. Right.
590
00:41:53.469 --> 00:41:57.070
And one thing, like a flood comes in and that's
591
00:41:57.190 --> 00:42:02.309
overpowering by one element, and then soon after there's something
592
00:42:02.369 --> 00:42:05.610
else that comes in and balances something out, like a
593
00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:10.010
drought or something. Things in nature balance themselves.
594
00:42:11.949 --> 00:42:19.599
Absolutely. But we miss it. We try to take it over.
595
00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:27.210
Yeah it's our need to control the world because we're
596
00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:33.460
afraid deep down just coming into a body and separating
597
00:42:33.579 --> 00:42:38.099
out from spirit and having this thing around us you
598
00:42:38.139 --> 00:42:43.139
know and this illusion of emptiness between things and separateness
599
00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:49.329
it's a great initial wound or confoundment maybe is a
600
00:42:49.349 --> 00:42:50.269
better word it's like.
601
00:42:50.230 --> 00:42:55.079
What that's why I like I like out of body
602
00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:59.570
experiences because they kind of remind you that there's more
603
00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:03.730
yeah oh yeah yeah have you ever had out of
604
00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:05.369
body experiences.
605
00:43:05.210 --> 00:43:11.300
Yes yes and I've had astral dreams where people came
606
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.460
and visited and they seemed very physical and they were
607
00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:17.920
there like I could almost I could touch them in
608
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:24.719
the astral body you know um And, yeah, other kinds
609
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:31.789
of experiences like that that were semi-physical and non-physical. Yeah. Yeah,
610
00:43:31.809 --> 00:43:34.789
it's all, you know, plus I've had healers work on
611
00:43:34.809 --> 00:43:38.329
me that healed a broken toe, dissolved a tumor, like,
612
00:43:38.429 --> 00:43:42.969
in a minute. And I'm like, wow, that's possible?
613
00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:46.780
That is.
614
00:43:46.949 --> 00:43:49.260
Got me opened up real early in my life to healing.
615
00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:53.820
All these higher things. Yeah.
616
00:43:56.289 --> 00:44:06.670
Why do you think spirit or source or whatever wants
617
00:44:06.769 --> 00:44:10.789
to have experiences through us?
618
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:25.989
Wow. I'm not sure that it's that conscious, I feel
619
00:44:26.010 --> 00:44:35.469
like the motive is joy. That there's expansion and there's contraction.
620
00:44:36.269 --> 00:44:40.909
Even in consciousness, like the Brahmans and all that, the epics.
621
00:44:41.610 --> 00:44:46.039
But the idea of taking the all that is and
622
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:51.570
moving it through frequencies... and coming into the low, slow
623
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.420
frequencies and seeing what it's like to be a rock,
624
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.860
you know, or to come through emotion and then back
625
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:08.769
out again. It's a joyful experience of even feeling suffering.
626
00:45:09.929 --> 00:45:12.670
Like if you call that, if you're not thinking that
627
00:45:12.690 --> 00:45:16.760
it's awful because we're eternal beings, you know, so what
628
00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:20.360
we die, you know, we're right there. still there, or
629
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.489
maybe we have parallel lives and others of us are
630
00:45:24.710 --> 00:45:27.369
going on, you know, at the same time that one dies.
631
00:45:28.210 --> 00:45:35.530
It just feels like, to me, it's just the natural
632
00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:43.880
quality of consciousness to be so cohesive and so, I mean,
633
00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:46.719
love is such an overused word. It doesn't really describe
634
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:51.980
the quality of spirit. And joy comes closer. I mean, even,
635
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:56.610
I guess, ecstasy, I don't even know exactly what that
636
00:45:56.630 --> 00:45:59.710
feels like to me, but I can go into joy
637
00:45:59.730 --> 00:46:05.869
and be like, really like, wow, you know, it's just
638
00:46:05.909 --> 00:46:12.630
so wonderful. It's just like little kids just laughing for
639
00:46:12.690 --> 00:46:16.269
no reason. That's what it feels like spirit is doing.
640
00:46:18.550 --> 00:46:23.869
That's an incredible feeling to feel. That type of joy,
641
00:46:23.929 --> 00:46:30.900
that type of expansion, that just desire for life. The feel.
642
00:46:31.699 --> 00:46:37.099
And the enjoyment of, yes, of just being. Yeah, it's amazing.
643
00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:42.449
A sentence came into my head a little while ago
644
00:46:42.570 --> 00:46:47.550
that kindness is slow joy. So I started thinking more
645
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:53.980
of just the power of kindness in the, in the
646
00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:56.510
3d realm, because joy is a hard thing to get
647
00:46:56.570 --> 00:47:00.489
people to get into, you know, but kindness can lead
648
00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:00.929
us there.
649
00:47:04.469 --> 00:47:08.449
Which means we have to kind of maybe alleviate suffering
650
00:47:08.489 --> 00:47:10.570
a little bit. Yeah.
651
00:47:10.780 --> 00:47:15.480
Or just, yeah, just feel other people and give them
652
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:19.150
appreciation and love and See them for who they are.
653
00:47:19.929 --> 00:47:21.670
And I think that alleviates suffering.
654
00:47:22.670 --> 00:47:29.050
Compassion. Which usually needs to start with empathy.
655
00:47:30.190 --> 00:47:34.030
Well, it's feeling with. I think that the root of
656
00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:38.929
it is feeling with someone. Becoming one with the feeling
657
00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:43.730
state that people are in. But also the true feeling state.
658
00:47:45.170 --> 00:47:48.730
You know, not let's commiserate. Co-miserate.
659
00:47:50.980 --> 00:47:54.159
So it's a real psychic type of connection.
660
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.030
Yeah. It's go beyond, go through. Don't hold the misery
661
00:48:00.170 --> 00:48:02.530
as a real thing. Go to the real thing again.
662
00:48:02.630 --> 00:48:06.190
Cut through to the heart of somebody, who they are,
663
00:48:06.309 --> 00:48:09.900
what they are. And let them know that you see it.
664
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.079
I think that's probably like maybe the hardest part for
665
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.260
me sometimes is that vulnerability.
666
00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:22.320
What part is vulnerable?
667
00:48:23.949 --> 00:48:28.489
None of it. But yeah, I still believe part of
668
00:48:28.550 --> 00:48:35.409
it is. Illusion, I guess. I guess the vulnerability maybe
669
00:48:35.469 --> 00:48:36.559
itself is the illusion.
670
00:48:39.889 --> 00:48:45.969
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, actually. I mean, to see
671
00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:48.889
vulnerability as a negative thing or something to be afraid
672
00:48:48.989 --> 00:48:51.119
of is kind of ridiculous.
673
00:48:51.139 --> 00:48:53.079
It is. Because it's really openness.
674
00:48:54.579 --> 00:48:55.940
It's openness. It is.
675
00:48:56.539 --> 00:48:59.079
But, yeah, I still find it difficult. I imagine, I
676
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.050
don't think I'm the only person that would find it difficult.
677
00:49:02.780 --> 00:49:05.489
No, a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, it's a
678
00:49:07.250 --> 00:49:12.320
warning state to others. That's the left brain, though, saying, uh-oh, no,
679
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.920
can't let go of our definitions.
680
00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:20.800
I suppose to be completely open and part of the
681
00:49:20.900 --> 00:49:24.239
universe and to be completely open in one moment and
682
00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:29.500
to feel that much joy and expansion all at one
683
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:34.900
time sounds overwhelming.
684
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.349
It is and I think it is in a way
685
00:49:38.289 --> 00:49:42.829
to your personality, which is defined.
686
00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:44.940
Because it means letting go of some of that.
687
00:49:45.699 --> 00:49:49.400
Right. And that means you think you're going to be annihilated.
688
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:50.340
Yes.
689
00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:54.059
And you're being set free. And you're like, oh, God,
690
00:49:54.449 --> 00:49:59.070
I'm here. I'm here more than I ever was. The
691
00:49:59.110 --> 00:50:03.019
sense of self becomes even greater. And then you get
692
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.639
connected up with other people who are getting into their
693
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.280
sense of self, and it's like you're a collective self now.
694
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.760
And look at all what we know. The we, I, we,
695
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:18.590
you know, whatever that is. And it's like, it's even
696
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:22.070
more joyful, because I belong. You know, I really, I'm
697
00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:27.389
part of, I know this, I'm the whole thing. And
698
00:50:27.469 --> 00:50:31.670
I get glimpses of that, you know, but... we're in
699
00:50:31.710 --> 00:50:36.809
this game of almost like oscillating gently between I'm a me,
700
00:50:36.949 --> 00:50:40.809
I'm an us, I'm a me, I'm an us, you know? And,
701
00:50:41.429 --> 00:50:43.969
and I, when I write, I always say, okay, everybody
702
00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:46.610
who's wants to write with me, you know, people who
703
00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:50.469
love this come, let's do it. And I, I always
704
00:50:50.630 --> 00:50:53.789
feel like I'm not just a little person doing the writing,
705
00:50:53.849 --> 00:50:58.469
but I'm like a collective that knows a lot. And, um,
706
00:50:59.469 --> 00:51:00.110
and it's normal.
707
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:04.469
So you no longer feel separate. From it, you feel
708
00:51:04.530 --> 00:51:07.349
like you're a part of the current and that it's
709
00:51:07.389 --> 00:51:11.130
just carrying you along now.
710
00:51:12.090 --> 00:51:14.610
Yes. And also, you know, I used to be thinking,
711
00:51:14.929 --> 00:51:18.190
I really wish I could read the Akashic Records. And
712
00:51:18.889 --> 00:51:22.989
then I realized, wait a minute, the Akashic Records, I
713
00:51:23.030 --> 00:51:26.010
think of them, they're all around me, you know, all around.
714
00:51:26.539 --> 00:51:29.199
I'm in it. And then guess what? They're in me.
715
00:51:30.289 --> 00:51:34.550
It's all through everything. So if I need to know anything,
716
00:51:35.369 --> 00:51:38.949
first the need to know shows up. And that may
717
00:51:38.989 --> 00:51:42.920
be the Akashic Records putting energy to me. It's like, hey,
718
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.039
you need to know something. Here it is. You know?
719
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And it's like, because it's already there.
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Wow. I didn't realize it has been 51 minutes already.
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I thought it was like 15. Yeah.
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You got your numbers reversed.
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Yeah, definitely. Wow, that went really fast.
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It did, yeah.
725
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There is no such thing as time.
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That's right. Yeah, no, really. I mean, that was a
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good experience with it with you, of just being one
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kind of flow that didn't really seem like it went anywhere,
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except it was everywhere.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's how it is sometimes. No direction
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is every direction. Okay.
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Well, thank you for having me back.
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Before we wrap it up, though, tell people where to
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find you, your books, and things like that.
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Yeah, well, you know, I have the, it's now called
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the Transformation Series. It's the intuitive way, frequency in its
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new 15-year anniversary edition, and then perception, and then transparency.
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Those four are the core things, but I have now
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the Dream Dictionary for Dummies and all the other books
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that have been there, like The Present Moment. And soon,
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I don't know when exactly, but the money book will
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be coming next as part of the transformation series. But
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you can go to my website. It's just my name,
744
00:53:20.429 --> 00:53:27.070
but my name is spelled funny. It's P-E-N-N-E-Y and then P-E-I-R-C-E, PennyPierce.com.
745
00:53:28.130 --> 00:53:33.579
There's lots of free stuff on there and Oracle stuff.
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It's a fun site.
747
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And Substack.
748
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I've been writing a lot on Substack lately.
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I just started Substack myself. I will put a link
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to your website and to your books in the notes
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of this episode. It's been a pleasure having you. I
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do not currently have an outro now to play, but
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I encourage my listeners to check me out at unitymanifest.com.
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And the podcast is available on all platforms. Obviously, you
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know that because you have made it to the end
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of this episode. And I want to thank everybody for listening.
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I really do appreciate all of your support. And I
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00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:20.150
also have a bunch of free stuff on my website
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as well for people to check out. I've been putting
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00:54:23.769 --> 00:54:28.769
up more free content than paid content lately. That's because
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00:54:28.829 --> 00:54:34.820
I'm just happy to be putting out content. So it's
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been a pleasure. And with that, I am going to
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wrap this up and we are going to stop recording.