Unspoken Issues #171- Badrock/Wolverine #1

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Unspoken Issues.
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Wads and gentlemen, Welcome to the Unspoken Issues Podcast. Ninety
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six number ones moves on and we're going right into June.
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Well over there is Chris Armorsong. I'm Jesse Starcher.
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Chris. Are you ready?
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Yeah?
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There he is.
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You want to talk to some June nineteen ninety six
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comics today.
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I'm excited. How was in the thick of it around
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this time?
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Good? Good, good?
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Well, So here are our results, and this is where
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I get to call you a fake fan, so our well,
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I'll go through the choices. We'll go from least to
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most here. So the one that got the least votes
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on our poll was teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles number.
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One and Travis.
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Yes, a travesty by far, and I made sure as
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soon as I posted it, my one vote went right
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to the Turtles. Twelve percent of these votes here, So
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that's a big shock to me. But I think we
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may have or I have probably spoke about Turtles number
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one at some point, but aside from that, I was like, man,
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I wouldn't mind talking about it again. So so twelve
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percent teenage Mutan Ninja Turtles number one and then tied
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for second was the Star Slammer special. This was a
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Walt Simonson deal, and Ker.
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Explains why it was. Yeah, yeah, out voting turtles. Yep. Yeah.
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Then we have Batman Grendel number one, which got twenty
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two percent of the vote as well. I I've always
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wanted to read that book, but just never got around
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to it.
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Yeah, Grendel is a blind spot for me. I've always
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heard it's cool. I've never read any of that stuff though.
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Yeah. And then the number one winner of the.
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Poll forty four percent of the vote, Bad Rock Wolverine
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number one. This is, of course the cover. It's Rob
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Lifelm right, there.
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Is a Rob Lifelter cover. The cover I've had that
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I bought in nineteen ninety six is a Chap y
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eight or whatever. I'm not sure how to pronounce his name,
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but he died another cover, So there are two covers.
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One is the lifeild Over. I prefer the chap cover myself. Actually,
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the Life Felt cover is pretty cool. Do I have
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them both now? I've purchased the Life Felt cover out
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of a dollar bin for a time in the last
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five or ten years.
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Gotcha, this era here of ninety six, My goodness, the
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companies are just rife with crossovers happening everywhere, of course,
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so I think we're coming off the heels of Marvel
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versus Marvel versus DC so and then I think we're
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getting ready to step into the amalgam age of things here,
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but hasn't already started. But but yeah, people wanted to
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hear about it, so we're gonna be talking about it today.
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You excited was this? Are you glad to talk about
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some bad rock Wolverine?
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Oh?
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Yeah, well you got my vote, Okay, all right.
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Because I'm always excited to talk about bad rock. Now,
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as far as the voting, I'm not really that surprised
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that bad rock Wolverine ran away with it, because a
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Wolverine is He's been one of the like three to
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five most popular combook characters in the world pretty much
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since the late eighties. Yeah, it's not a surprise that
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people wanted to hear about Wolverine. And although there are
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a ton of Rob Liefeld haters out there, especially in
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our or I should say even in our unspoken issues
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community there, or in spoken decade community there, there are
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also a ton of defenders and fans of his, So
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it's not a big surprise at this one one. I
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did not vote for the Ninja Turtles. We had already
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talked about that series in a previous episode. We did.
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We did when we covered issue four of that Image
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Comics Turtle series. And I think the reason it probably
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got such little attention in the voting is I don't
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think that series is very highly regarded as Ninja Turtles fans.
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I know Peter Laird bashed it whenever he came back
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in the early two thousands and did an Inja Turtles run.
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He basically said, I believe that that Image run was
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supposed to be a continuation of the Mirage stories, and
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then when Laird came in and did his own continuation
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of the Mirage Turtle stuff, he disregarded all that okay,
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and like made fun of it in some interview. I
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think so, I don't think people, like a lot of
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people don't like that era as much, even though I'm
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fond of it. So that's probably why it didn't get
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much in the way of voting.
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I'll never forget when I got released, I bought that
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soucker right off the shelf.
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So Creative Team here.
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Yeah, Hey, Rob Leifeld's doing on the cover our Chap
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is also as well. I'm looking at the Chap cover,
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which does look pretty freaking cool, and the lifel cover dagone.
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Can you get longer claws on wolverine Jesy crime.
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Yeah, those got to be like two and a half feet.
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Chap's going to draw this. He's penciling this thing, but writing.
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This is another image Comics, very well known name here.
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He's one of the Image seven. This is Jim Valentino.
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So this is this is going to be interesting to
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watch him read this. As you can see you on
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the cover here. If you're looking at the Chap cover,
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you see saw on there a mysterious man with well
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green skinned fellow here that has something like a crown
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or something. He's wearing some type of crown. I wouldn't
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have known who that was, and I really don't think
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we this is a guy that's a popular.
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Image villain in any way that I know. What is
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his name.
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Again, Tyrax, Tyrax, Tyrax. Okay, and then so we're going
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to be in the Savage Land. If I see sar on,
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I kind of figure I'm going to be in the
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Savage Land. So that's kind of and I.
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Think he's hanging out with the Brotherhood in the mid nineties.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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And also title the story is called Savage, so that
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that does give us some contact exclused to where we
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want to being this inking. This is Jonathan cybel A,
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lettered by Steve Dutro, collored by Brian Haberlin. So yeah,
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let's just real quick. This is Wolverine bone claw here
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at least right. Yeah, he has got his adamantium ripped
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off of his skeleton. But are we prior to No
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nos era?
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See this seems like kind of a gray area because
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I believe the No Nose feral Wolverine era went into
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the Onslaught around to the Onslaught era, which is around
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the same time as this was released, but they didn't
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go with that here. I got to be honest. Although
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I was all over Onslaught and a lot of the
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Marvel stuff around ninety six, I don't think I was
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reading Wolverine. Yeah, so I'm not one hundred percent, but
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this is not the no Nose the Wolverine, but it
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is bone He was bone claw Wolverine for quite a
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while because that had the adamantium getting torn out happened
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in what like ninety three. Yeah, and he didn't get
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the adamantium back until Eric Larson was doing a Wolverine
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run in like ninety seven or ninety eight. Ok he
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went quite a ways without it.
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Okay, Well, if you were to tell the people who
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bad Rock is, we've talked about him on here before,
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but give our listeners an idea of who bad Rock is.
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Well, he started out as Bedrock before a change name.
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Early in the Image era, every Image founder had had
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a team had a resident strong man on their squad.
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Some of them had more than one, like young Blood
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who had Brahma on the La team, Bedrock on the
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Home team. And I've always been a huge fan of
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Bedrock slash bad Rock because he was a teenager. He
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was the same age as me when these comics were
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coming out. Basically, I always driven, like get drifted towards
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those characters like Prime bad Rock, Chris Powell, dark Hawk. Yeah.
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I was a little older than me, but he was
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a teenager in those days. But yeah, he's a young
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like a thirteen year old kid. His dad was a scientist.
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He ended up messing around with some of his dad's experiments.
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I think maybe he drank a potion or something that
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his dad had concocted it. I can't remember exactly, but
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he turned him into bad Rock, a big giant, like
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eight foot tall man made of stone. So a lot
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of people are going to say he's a whole rip
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off or a thing ripoff or whatever. Hey, he's his
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own thing as far as I'm concerned. And he's got
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that attitude of like everything he's so big and powerful
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and in vulnerable that like he doesn't really have much fear.
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He's kind of a kid like, yeah he does.
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He doesn't know better sometimes, Like it's he's definitely got
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that kind of carefree, naive na or whatever you want
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to call it.
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Everything just a big adventure for him.
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All right, Very good description there.
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You mentioned this was crossover heavy era in mid nineties.
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In addition to the DC Marvel stuff that was going on,
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Image and Marvel had a lot of overs going on.
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A lot of these were I think due to the
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Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld coming on to Heels You're Born.
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I think we do a lot of these. There was
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a profit cable, I think there might have been two
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of those. There was Young Blood X Force, There were
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the X Men Wildcats crossovers Team X Team seven was
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one of the crossovers I really liked in that era.
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There were a lot of them, and they were all
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pretty much similar to Bad Rock and Wolverine, these prestige format,
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square bound books.
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All right, well, yeah, so this hits the shelves June
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of nineteen ninety six, and let's go ahead and we
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will let me get into characters that were winging to
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run into here.
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You've kind of already.
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Talked about bad Rock used to be Bedrock, No, no
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need to introduce him any further. We got Wolverine, veteran
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X man.
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We're not going to talk about about this Wolverine character.
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Never never heard of this guy.
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So yeah, Wolverine at this point, bone Claw Wolverine, no advantium,
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but he still has his healing fact he's not Fero Wolverine,
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kind of like what you just said.
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So we got Sauron.
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Sauron is a god apparently goes by the name of
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Karl Leikos. He's a mutant energy vampire who can transform
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or is already transformed, into a powerful pterodactyl like creature.
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In his Sauron form, he possesses great strength, flight, hypnotic
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abilities and a deep hatred for his human identity. And
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he's working alongside Tyracks, but their alliance is uneasy to
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say the least. And Saarn has plans of his own.
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Tyrax Dimension traveling conqueror and the ruler of the mysterious
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City of Arcadia. He moves the city between worlds, gathering
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soldiers and technology from the places he subjugates in the
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Savage Land. He plans to use a mutagenic machine I
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think that was created by Magneto to create an army
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of dinosaur human hybrids called get Ready Dinosaurids.
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Yeah, probably could a workshop that name.
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A little bit does not roll off the tongue.
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Then you got Kazar. Kazar is going to make an appearance,
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Ladies and gentlemen. He's the protector of the Savage Land.
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Skilled hunter and warrior who has spent much of his
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life surviving in his dangerous jungles. He understands the Savage
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lands harsh rules better than anyone and serves as one
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of its primary defenders. And then we have Ksar's loyal
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saber tooth tiger companion, Zabu. Intelligent, powerful, and fiercely protective.
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Zabu helps Wolverine and bad Rock navigate Arcadia while searching
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for his captured friend. Yes, that's right, Kasar is captured,
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and yeah, it's going to add a wrinkle to things here.
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Always like seeing Ksar pop up.
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He's a fun character. And then we got a few
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other Savage Land mutates that are around there. We got
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Brainchild I think is the name of one of them,
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and then Amphibious, which I don't know if he's been
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around or if he was just created.
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I have no idea about these guys.
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Some of them I recognize some of them from X
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Men comics, but some of these may have been made
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up just for this story about.
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All right, so here we go. Let's get into talking
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about the comic. So we open in the Savage Land,
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where a mysterious city called Arcadia has appeared.
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Arcadia is not a normal city.
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It has the ability to travel across dimensions, appearing wherever
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its ruler decides to take it. That ruler is Tyrax,
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a conqueror who has been moving from world to world,
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taking from civilizations, collecting soldiers, and gathering technology, and his
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eventual goal is to return to his own home world
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with enough power to conquer it.
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Completely.
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Here in the Savage Land, Tyrax has acquired something known
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as the Mutagenic Machine technology once used by Bangdido to
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create the Savage Land mutates. Tyrax wants to repair and
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repurpose the machine, and he has entered into an alliance
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with'saar on now calling this an alliance maybe generous sorrow.
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I'm just not appreciate being treated like Tyrax and tyrannt
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Tyrax and a servant, and Tyrax does not seem particularly interested
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in treating him as an equal. Saarn wants the machine
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used on him, but he does not want to become
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human again. Yeah, this is interesting because I don't know
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much about Sarn.
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I don't know a ton either, but at least by
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this issue, it certainly seems like it's more of like
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a almost like a Hulk Banner thing, Yeah, where they
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have like two distinct personalities, and yes, they don't like
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each other much.
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and Sarn's working on ways to try and just completely
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get rid of his counterpart, so they I think that's
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what his plan is, is to try and get this machine,
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or at least get Tyrax to use the machine so
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that Surn doesn't either Sarn's completely separated from him or
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just squashes that side of them altogether. I don't think
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you can separate him, but who knows. Once he gets
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this human side removed, he is already actually planning on
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turning on Tyrax, Like he has no qualms about thinking
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about how he's going to, Like he's just going to.
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He's certainly in a loyalty there.
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So what do you think of our setup here? So far?
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We got Tyrax, we got sar On, we got this
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crazy dimension hopping city. We haven't even got a chance
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to see our heroes yet. What are your thoughts?
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Interesting enough? This is really just kind of an excuse
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to throw Bad Rock and Wolverine together in an adventure.
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A little odd that they've just made up this villain.
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There's a Marvel villain involved here, but the villain from
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the Extreme Universe is just totally made up just for
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this story, which is kind of strange.
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Okay, all right, that was kind of my impression because
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I'd never seen him before, and I know it's tough
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when you're doing an intercompany crossover. Image did a lot
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of things right, But so we're talking four years since
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Image got together and put together a comic book universe,
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Marvel's got a little bit of a head start on,
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so they can't just be like, Okay, here's our But
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I am kind of surprised they didn't use a pretty
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well known villain in this thing. Maybe there was a
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reason for that. I'm sure there probably was, but why
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not go with somebody else that has a little bit
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like maybe a one or two year stay in the
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Image universe.
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But anyway, go ahead.
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Let me correct myself. I'm kind of scrolling through ooh,
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the Image comics fandom.
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He has a history.
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It says only one appearance of Tyrax, okay, which I
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assume would be this one. But it also says he
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appeared for the first time in young Blood Comics Continuity
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and Young Blood Yearbook number one, so maybe that was
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his first appearance, and okay, in bad Rock.
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Now, I've never looked at the yearbooks, but aren't like
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the yearbooks kind of like a.
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Well, I believe the young Blood Yearbook is what they
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called the annual.
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Right young Blood anyway, Okay, all right.
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Then, so I guess he did have one other appearance
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earlier before this.
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All right, Well, we'll give him that he's got.
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It also says in another section it says first experienced
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bad will Wolverine number one, who.
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Knows well, okay, we can narrow it down. He has
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possibly two appearances. I bet you if you looked at
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Saurn in ninety six and figured out how many appearances
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he had, I'm going to say it's probably at least
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four times that have been round for a while, right
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like his crew.
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Yeah, it's at least the seventies, I think earlier.
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Yeah, so they bring tyrax in. But your thoughts here
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on these guys just aren't getting along. It's kind of
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like a marriage of convenience. I guess, are you cool
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at the setting? You like the Savage Land? You said,
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it's you like ce Ks. We haven't got to him yet,
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but you like the Savage Land in general.
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It's always cool to see Wolverine in the Savage Land.
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I think I think he kind of fits.
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There, all right.
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Well, so while this is happening, Wolverine's also in the
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Savage Land, and he is on vac His idea of vacation, though,
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involves hunting an enormous dinosaur called a gigantasaurus. We see
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him like hunting the steak, he leaps on to its back,
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he drives his bone claws into it. He gets thrown
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into a tree and eventually brings the creature down, I
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think after a long struggle. Wolverine lets out this big
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victory yell like this, just like Wolverine would do, and
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Sourn happens to be flying by and he overhears it.
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So Warn immediately recognizes it's actually it's Logan that made
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the scream, and he also is assuming the X men
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are there or possibly possibly on their way, and that reasonable, Yeah,
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I would agree, and they must know that Tyrax what
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Tyrax has planned, so he considers actually warning Tyrax, but
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instead decides that he can handle Wolverine on his own.
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So he goes down there and attacks Wolverine. Wolverine course
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senses him coming and moves out of the way. Saarn
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accuses Logan of trying to interfere with their plan, big
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bumbling villain mistake there, Hey, what are you doing here?
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Why are you messing with our plan? And Wolverine has
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no idea what he's talking about.
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It's funny.
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Wolverine basically tells him that he has no idea of
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what he's talking about. But if Soarron wants to fight,
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he's happy to give him one. Soren decides not to
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continue the battle, probably a good idea, and flies away,
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which convinces Wolverine that something is up, so Logan begins
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following him. We then move to Washington, d C. And
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the Young Blood headquarters. The team is being called away
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for a Priority Red emergency. In bad Rock, well, he
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wants to go along. Shaft, however, reminds him that he
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has some studying to do, and they leave him behind.
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That is one of the things this issue leans into
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with Bad Rock. He may be a gigantic, stone skinned powerhouse,
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but he's still only around fifteen years old. Hedn't even
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graduated high school yet. So while the rest of Young
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Blood leaves on a mission, Bad Rock is supposed to
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stay home and study. Well, I'm probably on the same
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thing that Bad Rock does. I've got to do my homework.
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But damn it, the Sega Genesis is calling.
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Yeah, So he goes, and I think he puts on
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this virtual reality headset, and while he's using the headset,
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Badrock accidentally intercepts Wolverine's transmission. Because Wolverine has decided he's
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going to reach out to the X Men for help.
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Some kind of signal got crossed, and instead of it
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reaching the X Men, it ended up coming through Bad
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Rock's virtual reality headset or something like that.
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Yes, there's some electrical storm blanketing the East coast. Oh,
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that's right, that makes sense, giving an excuse for why
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Bad Rock is accidentally intercepting them.
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This is definitely a story that's being told where these
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two universes have coexisted for a while.
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Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
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That's interesting because Marvel and DC and all their crossovers,
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some of them sort of take place in a shared
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universe and some of them they have to transport across universe.
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They don't know each other, and it's kind of the
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same I think with these image Marvel ones, like I
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think Cable and Profit maybe is not a shared universe.
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And I'm not sure about the X Men, Young but
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it's been so long s right, most of those, But yeah,
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this one is clearly like Bad Rock knows the X Men,
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Wolverine makes references to Stormwatch and Young Blood, so yeah,
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all the same.
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All right, So Badrock realizes that Wolverine is down in
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the Savage Land, and he becomes really excited by the
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possibility of visiting there and meeting the X Men, so,
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rather than making sure the message actually reaches the X Men,
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he takes a young Blood cruiser and heads down to
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the Savage Land himself. So, okay, here we have our
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two heroes. We get to see bad Rock, we get
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to see Wolverine. Any thoughts here so far? Before we
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get into the next little section.
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The bad Rock struggling with getting his homeworks homework done.
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I feel his pain on that. That was me. I'm
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not a good student at all. Now things got better
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when I picked up basketball, because by the time I
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was I guess I would have been like a sophomore
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in high school. I picked up basketball and like you
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had to maintain a sea average to play, uh, and
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I it dropped below at one point and I missed
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one or two games, and I was like, damn it,
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I guess I'm gonna have to start sity all.
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You held yourself responsible.
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So from that point on, I did the bare minimum.
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I was a student. I kept my grades up enough
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to stay on the basketball team.
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Yeah, trust me, I I completely get it. I didn't
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have sports to really motivate me.
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It was more.
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I was always like deathly afraid of being held back,
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Like I don't like deathly afraid.
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I don't know why, but I was. I think a
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lot of it.
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Really, a lot of people probably should be because well,
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it's embarrassing.
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What I had to repeat seventh grade.
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Oh man, And that's rough, dude, because.
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And that wasn't enoughing because even three years later I
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still didn't care. It wasn't until I had a goal
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of staying on the basketball team to keep me motive. Well.
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And the thing is is that like you kind of
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lose your whole friend set, I would assume, like you
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got You've had all those friends leading up to that
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certain point, and that's what always scared me.
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I was like, well, I don't want to have to now.
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I want to be in all these different classes with
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different people that I do not know, So that always
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scared me. Here were days like I was playing freaking
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Joe Montana sports Talk football that I definitely should have
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studied and didn't get around to it until like three
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o'clock in the morning.
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I'm like, crap, I got a test I gotta get
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ready for. So yeah, video games. I completely get it completely.
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When I got held back, I had to repeat seventh grade.
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It actually was kind of good in a way because
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I met one of my best friends and the only
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friend I had throughout my school life that was into comics.
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Oh wow, so that was cool. But yeah, speaking of
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video games, the this is bear with me a little bit.
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This may go too long, but.
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I liked talk to video games were after.
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I graduated high school. One of my best friends was
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a senior, so this actually was actually a junior the
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next year, so this would have been two years after
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I graduated, and he was a senior and NBA Live
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I don't know, probably two thousand and one came out,
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whatever year it was. He was a senior, and we
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bought it.
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This is for the.
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And we would always get the new NBA Live and
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we would create a bunch of players and create teams
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all that stuff. And we started playing. We couldn't figure
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out how to do the create a player mode, and
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we spent like hours trying to find the menu, Like
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we just couldn't figure it out for whatever reason. But
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we played it for a while and then I went
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home because I had to work the next morning. And
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the next morning I'm working at Goodies. A family clothing store,
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and I get over the speaker like, hey, Chris, you've
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got a phone call online too. So I go to
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a phone and pick it up, and it's my friend.
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He had not gone to school that day. He had
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stayed up all night. This isn't like nine or ten
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in the morning. He had been up all night playing
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this game. And he had finally think I had to
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create players.
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Oh my gosh, where was a buried at?
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It was just was a new design on the menus
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and everything like every year would be a little bit different.
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Yeah, and it.
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Was just you had to push the arrow one level
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over and we just never found it, I guess. But
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he had figured it out and stayed up all not
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creating players and playing this game, and then just didn't
486
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go to school. His mom was pretty lenient.
487
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I'll say, yeah, that wouldn't have flew very well at
488
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my house saying that much.
489
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Well, okay, so bad Rock.
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Our fifteen year old genius here decides to hop into
491
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a plane and head down to the Savage Land. He's excited.
492
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He thinks he's going to meet the X Men. He's
493
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at least going to get to meet Woverene. Now back
494
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in the Savage land. Wolverine's watching a group of guards
495
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outside Tyrax's facility and preparing to make a move when
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he encounters Zabu Kar's saber tooth tiger companion. Wolverine asks
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where Ksar is, and the answer is not good. Ksars
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chained inside Arcadia, where saur On is taunting him. Saarroon
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reveals that Wolverine is nearby, which gives Kazar hope that
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perhaps the X Men are coming to help. Meanwhile, bad
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Rock is flying across the Savage Land, filming the dinosaurs
502
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with his video camera and making jokes about Steven Spielberg
503
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coming there to make Jurassic Parks is funny. He eventually
504
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spots Arcadia and immediately recognizes that a giant futuristic city
505
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does not belong. In the middle of the jungle, Wolverine
506
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sees the Young Blood Cruiser flying overhead. He knows that
507
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is not the X Men, but he hopes it maybe
508
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some other superhero team arriving to help. Tyrax also learns
509
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that the aircraft is approaching, but he can barely be
510
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bothered by the news. He orders saurn to kill whoever
511
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comes out of it, and at the same time, Tyrax
512
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is testing the mutagenic machine on a dinosaur, transforming it
513
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into a humanoid reptilian soldier. His plan is to create
514
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an entire army of these creatures, which the comic, like
515
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I Said, calls dinosaurroids. Bad Rock lands. The cruiser heads
516
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outside sar On and several savage Land mutates are waiting
517
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for him. They order bad Rock killed, but the fight
518
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goes not according to plan. Bad Rock punches Saarn in
519
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the face, knocks the other attackers aside, and barely reacts
520
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.519
when Gaza, one of the mutates, and when Gaza hits him.
521
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By the time Wolverine and Zabu arrive, bad Rock has
522
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already handled most of the opposition. That is where our
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title characters finally meet. Bad Rock is thrilled to see
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Wolverine and immediately tells him that he's a fan. Wolverine,
525
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.880
looking up at this enormous stone teenager, accidentally calls him Bedrock.
526
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Uh I like that, so did I? Bad Rock, though
527
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quickly corrects him. Don't want to get sued. Don't want
528
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to get sued.
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Bad Rock explains how he intercepted Wolverine's call, and Logan
530
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asks whether he actually pass the message onto the X Men.
531
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Bad Rock admits that he did not, which doesn't exactly
532
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.240
impress Wolverine. Before they can continue their argument, sarro On
533
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emerges and calls out the bad Rock. Bad Rock turns
534
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toward him, looks him directly in the eyes. Bad Rock
535
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gets hypnotized. Soren convinces him that Wolverine is the enemy,
536
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giving us the crossover tradition of the two heroes fighting
537
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one another before.
538
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They eventually team up.
539
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You gotta have it, gotta have it, bad.
540
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Rock sends Wolverine flying into a tree, and Wolverine comes back,
541
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ready to teach him a lesson.
542
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The fight's brief.
543
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However, bad Rock eventually shakes off Sarron's control and apologizes,
544
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and Wolverine accepts that they have more important things to
545
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.279
deal with. All right, let's stop here real quick, so
546
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:28.880
let me do I just want to throw something out there.
547
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:35.319
I understand Wolverine doesn't have like his his and mantium bones,
548
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.839
but yeah, man is an mantium skeleton. I should say
549
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.119
he's getting tossed in the trees and shit and like
550
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getting hit and I'm like his healing factor's pretty good,
551
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.319
but man, he's coming back from.
552
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.519
Stuff like he should be taking a few to get
553
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:51.279
up from.
554
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.839
Yeah, I kind of thought that too. I think one
555
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of the things, I don't know where I read this
556
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or if I'm even to remembering this correctly, but I
557
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believe bone claw arrow wolverine it's supposed to have like
558
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a an even more accelerated healing factor. Yet maybe because
559
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the adamantium in his bones like his maybe it's like
560
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.279
his healing factor was always trying to deal with that.
561
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.000
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
562
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:22.640
But I feel like I remember, especially the feral wolverine era,
563
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like he was his healing factor was amped up even
564
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more and in that time. But I can't point to
565
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where I read that, so I don't.
566
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I feel like you're right too, because I think I've
567
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.440
heard that, and you're right. It makes complete sense because
568
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the whole reason they put the amantium in the first
569
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place was because of a healing factor. And when you
570
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take out of there, it's like, yeah, so that does
571
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make sense. And he comes back being thrown under the
572
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tree and stuff where I'm just like, dang, dude, you
573
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take a few minutes here, get a breather or whatever.
574
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I enjoy the fight here, although again it's not very long.
575
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.119
Yeah, it's only in maybe two or three pages, not
576
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counting the big splash page.
577
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.039
Right but right, which is fine. I'm fine with it.
578
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.720
I guess gotta see. Okay, it's Bad Rock versus Wolverine.
579
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.920
Who's going to win? We should know better? Which, okay,
580
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.960
that's fine. But anyway, what's your thoughts here up to
581
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:13.559
this point here?
582
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.680
Yeah, one thing I want to point out that I
583
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really like is Bad rocks casual look. He's got the
584
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backwards faceball cap, yeah, wearing a T shirt and some
585
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.200
baggy jeans. I guess they're not jeans. He's just got
586
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.720
some cargo pants on his boots. But Bad Rocks kind
587
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.920
of got a variety of different looks throughout his history,
588
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you know, when Young Blood and in his own series,
589
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and sometimes he's got the big giant shoulder bad Sometimes
590
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.240
he's got a bunch of guns and Ammo all over him.
591
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My favorite look is maybe just casual Bad Rock with
592
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the backwards heat kind of signifind his youth and everything.
593
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We get a really cool splash page, double splash of
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Wolverine and Bad Rock going at it. Sometimes it seems
595
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a little cheesy that they find ways to get these
596
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care to fight before they team up. But you're going
597
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.599
to be disappointed if that doesn't happen. That's one of
598
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the reasons we want to see these that's true.
599
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Is that the only double page blash we get in
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this thing.
601
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I'm pretty sure there's some like single page flashes maybe,
602
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but I think that's the only double and there may
603
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not even be any single page. There's a lot of
604
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big panels, big images throughout the book. Chaf ya have
605
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you pronounced it? Very cool art style. I really like him.
606
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He did the Avengers book that life Feld was writing
607
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for the Heroesary Born era. I guess lifefelded some of
608
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those pages, but Chap was like the main artist. He
609
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.799
didn't have a super long career in comics. I think
610
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by the early two thousands he was doing animation stuff.
611
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So but I like his art.
612
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Yeah, I was gonna say it is off the chain.
613
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.960
I think in this book it looks fantastic in my opinion,
614
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some of the action, although I think when I was
615
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reading this and kind of like working through my criticisms
616
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of it, I felt like I wanted more action. I
617
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don't know, but there's a lot of like, Okay, what
618
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.759
are we going to do? I really probably should walk
619
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that back because they've got these guys fighting large dinosaur guys.
620
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But for some weird reason, I was like, man, this
621
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.839
could have been a little bit more dynamic.
622
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Maybe I don't There.
623
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.759
Are some stretches of a lot of talking and just
624
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.599
plot kind of getting decided and stuff like that. So yeah,
625
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:22.400
I get what you're saying.
626
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.640
Yeah, but yeah, all props through the art team here,
627
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:30.039
Chap and are Oh my goodness, Yeah, they did a
628
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.240
great job. I think it looks great. It's vibrant. This
629
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.880
is definitely if you handed this to somebody who had
630
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.200
never read anything in the nineties and just knew, like
631
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:40.359
what the nineties was.
632
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.440
I feel like this has got the kind of tone.
633
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.359
To it as far as like the way that it
634
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.960
looks to make you go, okay, yeah, this had to.
635
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.400
Have been something done in the nineties. Totally okay.
636
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.400
So On returns to Arcadia to Warren and Warren's Tyrax
637
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.759
that Wolverine and bad Rock are on their way. Tyrax's
638
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.359
Remane's completely unconcerned.
639
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:01.920
He doesn't care.
640
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.599
He reveals that he has already created a small army
641
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:10.279
of dinosaurids and believes his forces will easily destroy the heroes.
642
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.079
Sauron is less impressed than Tyrax expects. Their disagreement becomes
643
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.680
physical when Tyrax grabs aar and throws them aside, finally
644
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:24.319
pushing their unstable partnership beyond its breaking point. Wolverine, Bad Rock,
645
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.880
and Zabu enter Arcadia. Zabu picks up kazar scent and
646
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.640
heads in one direction, while Wolverine follows Sauran's trail. Bad
647
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.960
Rock stays with Logan as they make their way toward
648
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.839
the center of the conflict. At the same time, Souran
649
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.559
attacks Tyrax just as their fight begins. Wolverine and bad
650
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.240
Rock enter the room and find themselves surrounded by Tyrax, Sauron,
651
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.039
the Savage Land mutates, and the Dinosaurids. At that point,
652
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.200
there is no need for a complicated strategy. Wolverine and
653
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.200
bad Rocks simply start hitting everything in front of them. Elsewhere,
654
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Zabu finds the cell where Kazar is being held. The
655
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.079
doorway is guarded by Amphibiu, a mutated humanoid frog. The
656
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.680
actual fight is over pretty quickly because the next time
657
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.440
we see them, Amphibious is unconscious and the door has
658
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.960
been broken open, and Zabu has been reunited with Kasar.
659
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.799
Ksar is still chained, but he's confident that once Amphibious
660
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wakes up, he can persuade the mutate that unlocking those
661
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.039
chains would be the healthiest decision.
662
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:21.559
Available to them.
663
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.200
Back in the main battle, Wolverine is prepared to kill
664
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the dinosaurroids, but bad Rock refuses. No, no, I'm not
665
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.400
going to do this, he declares the all American Boy
666
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.480
does not kill. Was that something that bad Rock was
667
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.519
known for? Like it seemed like an a choice here, Like,
668
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:39.720
I don't know what was going on.
669
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.559
Yeah, it seems like on some of those Young Blood
670
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missions he was pretty quick to people away. I can't
671
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.599
point to a specific instance where I know he killed people, but.
672
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.759
For the Extreme era just didn't seem too extreme. Yeah, yeah, Well, anyway.
673
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.640
You could argue this is this combined Marvel Extreme universe
674
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is its own.
675
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.440
Yeah, it is.
676
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.960
That puts him in direct contrasts with Wouverine, who sees
677
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.440
the fight in a much more brutal way. Surron also
678
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.719
tells Wolverine not to kill the creatures, please don't, and
679
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.320
the distraction gives Tyrax enough time to free himself and
680
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.639
order more of the mutates to attack bad Rock. Wolverine
681
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.599
becomes frustrated because he needs Bad Rock's help, but Kazar
682
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.199
arrives just at the right moment and takes down the
683
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mutates surrounding him. Zabu leaps into the battle as well,
684
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and Tyrax watches his entire operation collapse around him. So
685
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Tyrax decides the battles lost runs towards a dimensional portal
686
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.800
that he just has hanging out there. Brainchild begs Tyrax
687
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to take him along, but Tyrax shoves him aside and
688
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escapes alone.
689
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Abandoning everyone who helped him.
690
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With Tyra's gone, Sourron begins reverting to his human identity
691
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Carl Leikos. The heroes still have one major problem remaining.
692
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A giant gigantosaurus transforms into a dinosaurid wolverine. Bad Rock, Kasar,
693
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.760
and Zabu prepare themselves for one final fight, but Likos
694
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.920
stops them. He uses the de evolving ray to turn
695
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the creature back into an ordinary dinosaur. Of course, that
696
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leaves them trapped in a room with an angry, full
697
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:21.000
sized dinosaur. Likos picks up a weapon and initially appears
698
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that he's going to kill it, but instead he blasts
699
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a big hole through the wall, allowing the dinosaur to
700
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.239
escape back into the Savage Land. The group then plans
701
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to use the ray to return the remaining dinosaurids to
702
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their original forms. Bad Rock asks whether they are supposed
703
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to arrest the villains, but Kazar explains that the laws
704
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.480
of the Savage Land are different. Wolverine tells him that
705
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.719
he is thinking like a civilized man, but out here
706
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.480
the rules are based on predators and prey, and there
707
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are no courts or prisons a waiting for him. Bad
708
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.760
Rock does not entirely understand or agree, but he accepts
709
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that Kazar knows the land and its rules better than
710
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.480
he does. What are your thoughts here on our final fight,
711
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:03.800
our resolution, freaking tyrects, just dipping and getting the heck out?
712
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:05.880
What do you think to be seen again?
713
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.119
Probably as well, don't know what's your thoughts?
714
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.320
Pretty solid conclusion especially. I like this stuff with the gigantosaurus,
715
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.280
which is a real dinosaurka I looked up. Which is
716
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.519
longer than a t rex, but not as dense and heavy,
717
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So it's the indetermined which is actually I guess the
718
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quote unquote bigger, But yeah, that was cool. I like
719
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the bad Rock getting selfies with oh yeah, yeah, Breen
720
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and Kasar and Sabu. Most of these in the nineties
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as well, and going back to the early days of
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these crossovers are all kind of just like fairly self
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contained popcorn movie style comics, and on that level, this
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served its purpose.
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Yeah, this is definitely like the summer of ninety six.
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I can remember seeing this on the shelf and all
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the other stuff that was going on in the comic
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book world. This definitely brings me back to the summer
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of ninety six, just because it felt like these two
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worlds were coming together. I wouldn't say exactly. I call
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it naturally. This is not a story word. It doesn't
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take you out, like you don't have to kind of
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ask like why these two guys are in the same universe.
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They just are so.
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But yeah, yeah, I feel like for me this takes
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me back to the summer of ninety six for sure, extually.
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Watching Independent's Day, the Theater on your way home, comic shop,
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pickup band Rock Wolverine. That's right, man, the Hut on
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the way back.
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Maybe we're in a video too, like to the weekend.
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The weekend has hit all right, man.
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We talked about bad Rock Wolverine let's talk about.
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Our panel for the book here.
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I'll let you go first here because I mine's going
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to be nowhere near what you.
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Think it is. Well, that's good because I really only
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had one, which is the big two bague spread of
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Wolverine kicking bad Rock in the face as they start
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their fight, which is pretty sweet.
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Yeah, dude, I was just looking at that He's and
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Bad Rock's bleeding. I'm pretty sure that's blood.
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That's That's a great two page splash.
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So mine, I'm pretty sure this is a two pager
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where it says Bad Rock Wolverine, and then there's like
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claw marks there after you open the book.
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And I love.
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The X and the Y symbol, like the badges for
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the X Men and then the Y for the Young Blood.
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For some reason, those two badges, I don't know what
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you'd call them, insignias.
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Yeah, I guess yeah, They've always stuck out to me,
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so I'm going with that.
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So there it is. We did it. We talked about
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Bad Rock Wolverine. We did it.
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Man. Let's get into plugs. What ye got going on
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over there in your neck of the woods.
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I got a couple of movie podcasts I do with
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Noboddy aj one. It's called Small Screeners. We'll talk about
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directing video and made for TV movies. We've got another
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one called Because Movies, where we can kind of talk
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about whatever we want movie wise. They've both been on
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00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.760
a pretty lengthy highest, but we originally recorded a couple episodes,
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so hopefully they'll be out in the very near future.
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Very cool look forward to that.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, go check out the Source Material
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Comics podcast feed. That's where this show is at most
777
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of the time on any podcast or you should be
778
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.920
able to punch that in find it here. We got
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the Unsmoking Issues podcast ninety six, number one's rolls on.
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We got our July poll out there, and I think
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it's concluded now the time we are recording this, So
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if I have a chance, watch out for the August ones,
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because I'm going to try and put that up a
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lot earlier than I did July. But yeah, please feel
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free to get in there and vote and let us
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know what comic we should be talking about that had
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a number one issue on the stands in August of
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nineteen nine. So yeah, that's that's our Unspoken Issues. We
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got the Source Material Comics podcast where coming up you
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can hear me and Chris Armstrong talk on that where
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we discuss Batman Forever was it Forever Night first night? Well,
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Forever Night, Batman first Night. That was a great discussion.
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I had a lot of fun, learned a lot, had
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a good time. That's going to be airing soon, so
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keep your eye out on that. And then of course
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me and Avin Bevans get together we talk Marvel Snap
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on Snap materials, so that should be I think we're
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recording again on Tuesday here pretty soon, covering the last
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month's fun. So we are getting out of here. If
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I was to ask Chris Armstrong how we would send
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everybody home on this episode, what would Chris Armstrong say?
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Well, Jim Bellatina was afraid to do it, but not me.
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Ye a doom