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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Main Spelian Siders!
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Adam Winder, joined not by Robert Murray today, but by our favorite Robert Murray film and Jess Klein Schmidt is here Super Bowl Monday, and you're bright-eyed and ready to go, which makes me think that you probably didn't stay up to late agonizing over the outcome of the Super Bowl that you loved watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a Super Bowl hangover, but it was not in the good way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what the beauty of this show is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It cannot be worse than what happened yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about the halftime show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why the game was so bad is because of you, we talked about that earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the halftime show is wonderful, but I've never been so detached to an outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are anti-patriots, so they're all happy, but you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still in the Bay Area, so everybody's mad to see Hawks wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the, like, if there was nothing special about yesterday, and I can't tell if that means the NFL is more or less scripted than we've already thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think so for clarity, Jess was like I hated the Super Bowl and I was like She's like I think it proves it's not rigged and I was like well bad news because I actually did write the script for this one Yeah, and what I gave you was the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean if I wrote the script for the Super Bowl I definitely would have written a script for the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good absolutely mauled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look like they never played football before I would have written that but what I would not have done was After the bad buddy half time given you more dreadful football
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken a queue from the writer's workshop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my, the readers would have told me, hey, the script's okay, little wonky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little too heavy handed on the Boston bashing, but after the bad bunny stuff, can we just double back on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do another half time show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have listened to them because I do like when diligent notes are given to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like pleasing my audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I probably would have pivoted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I said you reel them back in with the bad bunny performance, lady Gaga, all of it that was beautifully done, and then it was like you threw a wrench once again into it, which was actually kind of brilliant in a way because you can tell who the real people were, but that was powerful the game sucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not a fan and I love the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care who's in it, but that was just not a fun game for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I am someone who thinks that the Patriots always have a chance to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when Drake May is dropping those fumbles and the Patriots are kind of not really trying very hard to recover them, like genuinely had to recalibrate and talk to the people in the room and be like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that actually was bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bad thing that happened to a boss in sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does not look like it's like two Super Bowl teams were in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was and the other one worth that was Patriots is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Though this show it can't be as bad as I don't think it can be as bad as that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got 20 minutes on the New York 80's training for Max Schuman or maybe at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 15 on the Boston Red Sox pulling off a Caleb Durbin trade this morning for no reason I have thoughts and you can join us on the prospect show tomorrow to hear more about why one of my favorite prospects going to the Red Sox is a bummer third place for the year vindicated on that, but just and I are going to talk a little bit about we're going to praise some offseason work, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: teams that did the most to threaten the Dodgers, teams whose work is impressed us, the least who deserves more credit, who's not getting enough, and the world baseball classic, which is on the horizon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would like to start there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with the your reaction, specifically to the world-based on classic rosters, which we have not really talked about on this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're a WBC person, Team USA is more stacked this year even than they were when they lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in Japan in the finals three years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Japan finals favorites for obvious reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you could ignore what they've written to the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The cohesion and camaraderie as well as the talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dominican Republic, sort of disappointing in 2023, but there is genuinely no hole in that line up this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how you'd take them down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody might, but I don't, I tell you, I don't see it happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What storylines are you most excited to follow from this year's WBC?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the easy one, like you said, like it's stacked, but I love that it's, you know, show, hey, taric, skins, and judge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just makes me happy because people who may not watch the WBC will appreciate it a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something so like unique about it because there's less money involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're representing your country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain players to represent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Multiple teams, which is always fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just like you mentioned, the roster is always fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I really appreciate how any team could have a 17 year old
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[SPEAKER_00]: up to a 44 year old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is so good because you watch these up and cameras because who is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brazil they have a 17 year old picture, dose of contraris, and then you have all the way up to a 44 year old, elects your mirror as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like one of those things that we think that when you blow out 30 candles on your birthday cake, you're done with your physical career and that's not the case because of this, there's so much more to it than just money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You take the money aspect out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of have the
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[SPEAKER_00]: appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm always up for a surprise team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Mexico might be that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to Mexican baseball players, there's not that many.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, but I will say, I'm a Luis Reis Truther.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's such a good baseball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched him a lot with the A's and of course his brothers on the team as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had a really interesting
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last WBC, and I think you saw like who they actually were come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Taiwan Walker is going to be is on the team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aurora is a reina out of Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these guys are all like not just big names, but I love the passion they have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you put all those guys together, they're going to give somebody a run for their money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you look at the roster of Ryan mentioned the DR.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're always going to be
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[SPEAKER_00]: in talks and horse-to-pants always really good Korea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the list goes on and on, but when it comes to Mexico, I think that might be the team that's going to surprise people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chemistry matters more in this event than in like any other baseball tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is going to be so important for a team like Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The team USA thing, I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets lost to history a little bit because, you know, your paying attention to the 162 game grind, your paying attention to the off season, you got your eyes on the winter meetings, when these players are announcing, the 2023 Team USA roster did not include judge schemes, Tarek Scoobleskines, of course, was not a professional baseball player, but I mean, Scoobles was not on our radar in that same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge, I think the most googled question of last world baseball classic was why is an Aaron Judge playing in the world baseball classic?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we can answer that one for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Mike Trap couldn't get in short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This year, Judge is Captain America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rotation of the last Team USA WVC roster was like, I mean, Lance Lynn, it's like, guys who post podcasts now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I love Lance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're a guy that you're changing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're introduced, you're changing up 10 years into your career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm all about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved those dudes and at the time it was like a fun cross-section of what USA had to offer, but I mean, you're talking about Adam Wayne writes farewell tour basically leading into now that's Terri's Kruble in fall speeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the chemistry matters were about to find out if this team USA can get along, but also momentum is as good as your next day starting pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Team USA has a next day starting because you're every single day who would turn my heart to pure ice if I was confronting that person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So are they gonna win?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't tell you that right now, but I can tell you, it's like, it's joy for baseball fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to see these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an excuse to watch that Adam Jones catch again, and I, I still, I watch it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can never not think of Adam Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know it, look it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was my amy right Miami and he went up against it right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the most, it was amazing catch it was so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: descriptive of what the WBC is like just like you mentioned obviously a lot of these guys are not going to go full bore we have the season coming up but they have these younger guys you get to watch their talent and represent their team and they're looking at this like the Olympic Games and that's a bigger deal and that's why people are googling why is an air in judge in the WBC like where are
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[SPEAKER_00]: because they don't necessarily understand how it works, but that's it brings more eyes to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people are going to be so stoked to watch show, hey, and of course, like Terri Schouble, I think, after what happened with him in arbitration, people are going to have eyes on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just really, really exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Schouble because the final season in the, at the Coliseum, he's from the Bay Area, and he took so much dirt on the pitcher's mound, which is really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people really liked that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think, is a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is worthy of every single penny he got this off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm still, I'm sitting here still surprised that he did win all of those pennies, but I just because I don't have faith in the process, not because he did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the exact same thing that Tim Lens succumbed it, Tim Lens succumbed it's too sion awards, just basically put it down and like walked out of the room and I think anyone, you know, so just it works, you're like, you don't have to say it, the work speaks for itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's such a universal thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That moment instantly changed the tires off season two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one-two punch of scooble winning all that money that's sticking around probably from Reveille Des comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is how quickly the off season assessments can turn when you're getting closer spring training and pitchers need to find new homes and teams need to get their final T's crossed and eyes dotted and their off season assignments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting, spring trainings happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People are reporting, you know, the hats are getting released.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got a little grapefruit practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They look sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I think it's time to evaluate what we saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the Dodgers, you know, I want to frame the first question in terms of what team with an impressive Opsies and did the most to threaten the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to frame it that way because they are the two-time defending champs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did the most of anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got him with D.E.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as in Kyle Tucker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like one of those things like of course like you can go to the Dodgers like what if you have the option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not stop just because we asked them to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're being really mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're being really really mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to have Tucker on your team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was one of the things in Opsies and just like I bet Tucker was like I just sort of know who wants me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to the Dodger, but I just want to know who wants me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it did feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like thank you for showing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to really appreciate Kyle Tucker industry's will be moving to Los Angeles obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But so they I mean they didn't have to but they did do the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They win the Opsies and congrats to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But who do you feel like did the most?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you even give themselves a chance and get in that arena with Illinois?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm glad the Dodgers things are fine looking up for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a long drought, but this is a long, you know, good for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, this is, I don't think this team will demolish them and it's also an N.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: West scenario with the giants did this off season was really interesting, I don't know, but the coaching staff is a whole thing that we should do on a
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[SPEAKER_00]: totally different podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to kind of funky as far as, you know, they're meet the whole new coaching staff, obvious in the bill, Mel Girl, but it's a whole different thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was really, you know, the race arises me really interesting, not just because of the average, but he's making things interesting and defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be more depth out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's more utility guys of cost and Harrison Bader, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something I just I have that feeling that something good is going to work for him across those two teams last year obviously the trade deadline he was a really good acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His athleticism is there he was hitting 277 we know he's got like that that sneaky athleticism that you only really see on defense but once it's the power going you have that average I think he's going to have maybe not like the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love me some some Tyler Malley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on the pre-imposed game show and I was breaking down his pitches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you put him in any type of rotation because maybe the velocity is not there that movement is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits every single quadrant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much fun to watch him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think adding him in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, it's going to make bats look silly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to demolish the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that their off-season acquisitions were really, really solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a utility girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about human heading into here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a utility guy is always going to help your roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like what they've done a lot more than what the pod rays have done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to be them in the Diamondbacks for that clear cut second spot in the NOS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, also shout out to Harrison Bader, Bronxville's finest, slave to the grind the best copy plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we both were crop tops, which is why I was just why I like Harrison Bader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if that would have been my defining feature of Harrison Bader, but I'm glad you said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, push it over the edge, you know, like he's really good and he can pull off a crop top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the original name of this segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, let's go over the top 10 MLB players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can always say, yes, he says a lot to a media request.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says yes to you, which I really appreciate too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still pay area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you get to see it up close and personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they do make a push.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's better when that giant team tries to contend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they impressed you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's go with the flip side, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this will never be the Dodgers because they will never have a bad opportunity again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a shame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there a team that you are left sitting here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, honestly, about a month and a half to opening day, the teams are reporting, the players
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you look at and just say, I do not like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Phillies easily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk, you know, the quote is run it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine if you are the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't give me Ron, you look at the roster and the lineups for the Phillies last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's obviously question marks about Nick Castellanos heading into this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Dave D'Ambrowski says they're content with what they have after missing out on Boba Shet, you know how Philly fans are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not happy with that at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nicest way, it can actually describe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, on the other side of it, I think cultural re extension is great, not just for the numbers, but the clubhouse is always good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a chemistry guy and J.T.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Realme, you know, I think he's going to play with a chip on his shoulder because it was kind of like, they were in discussions with him, but we all know was like, boba shit didn't work out, so we're going to give you this extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love him because he's very honest about being a catcher and they do not get enough monetary value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your value, they're the most important position and they're not all yaddy and Malina, but they all deserve yaddy and Malina money because of what they have to deal with as far as defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens because the bat kind of drooped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The blocking was a little bit off, but I think once you add a chip on the shoulder, things can change pretty well and we do
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's something that's really interesting, but I've looked at a lot of Philly's fans, and it's kind of like when you're watching a CNN situation, this just didn't nothing changed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're talking about, like nothing's different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the term content and you're talking to Philly's fans, like they're not gonna like that at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they need to do something, I don't know what it is, but when you make the push for BobaShut, you don't get and you're thinking something else is going to happen, and that just doesn't the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That also just made you think of the real world equivalent of what JT Real Muto just went through like I'm not even sure like if a high paying job you did like seven interviews and they were like Thanks so much we'll let you know and then you waited for like four weeks and you're like they're not going to let me know I didn't get that job and
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a CNN bulletin like you said about somebody they intended to hire and you're like, okay, so I didn't get it that guy did It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've made peace and then they rushed to you with 3 a.m. And they're like, hey, we Act like nothing happened like we'd love to extend you a job off and you're like, I know what happened though It was on TV like yeah, Jews me
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[SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but I will say like I feel like at his point in his career, you're getting paid to still play a sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly and I'm not saying that any sort of negative way, I think catchers are the most important position and he was very honest about it and even during when he was talking to the media, you could hear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but at the same time, if you want to be the backup for Boba Sheth on the worst thing in the world, and I know they were assuming they were still in conversation throughout the entirety of the off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what the market was like for him specifically, but yeah, I mean, if it was one of those last minute things I could see it, but you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's going to be interesting to see what happens because so that's going to be a lot of like you look at the roster and the line ups and it's good right but doesn't matter what you who you are what you're doing I mean I'm not saying losing hair is invader was the worst thing because of course he was a great trade dot trade deadline situation but I don't think he was the end of y'all so it'll be interesting to see what happens but I mean it's not the worst roster in the world but well we'll see what happens I'm Cassiana's drama that's going to continue that can make an impact on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then in the 80 fans, I think they're just tired of not getting over the hump and they're tired of that familiarity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would not be surprised if Philly's fans continue to be loud, like you said, is there one more team that you would say the world at large is not paying attention to what they've done, but they should, again, maybe we're not talking in the upper echelon with the joggers, we're not talking about a contender, but we're talking about major strides this offseason that don't get talked about because they are not in the payroll stratosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pirates for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Marcellular OZuna same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what version we're going to get hit a pretty solid season last year as far earned in 2024 actually it was an all star select in 2024 so that was great numbers dipped a little bit but nothing too crazy But you get hit with some power that's always great love the Ryan or hern signing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all he's a great clubhouse guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's pop there too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think who else is so it was going to be great to coming out of that bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can never, you always benefit from a veteran reliever and that sinker and the secondary pitch for that slider the way that they move and of course he's got so much velocity coming on the left side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The walk rate is still pretty decent, the strikeout rate is good as well, so assigning him is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's going to be a really interesting situation overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, Marlins, they did some things to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of like, they were high-brow moves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I said that at the Angels last off season, but like we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was some stuff happening over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they deserve an F. I don't think they deserve a D. I give a C from what the Marlins did in the off season, especially because of where they're at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen many,
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[SPEAKER_00]: portions of giants and ace teams that have done rebuilds and then you still have a good team and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely keep it on in the marlins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's made some pretty interesting moves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they treated the pictures they needed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like what they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go ahead and shout out the Chicago White Sox as well in this bucket because I was going to put them down too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's not like we're, I'm not going to get on this podcast and say the weights are going to win the world series or go to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going to have to mount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm not even going to say that they're going to spell moon to talk to Murray commies name correctly, because they didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what they did do was watch that creator and market and bring it a number of pieces and bring it awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hayes is like I who the Mets and Yankees were competing over and the White Sox got him because they guarantee to more playing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you should do if you're the white sucks, if you're the fringes, if you're just trying to get better, not a playoff team, the tigers put their stamp on the aisle centrally, but I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, the A's went through that a couple of seasons ago, like a lot of guys who were going to be minor league deals everywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to majorly deal with the A's, in this case, the white socks more playing time, just more incentives, because the white socks know where they're staying right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what the front office knows that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he was able to do and understand from all of that, like, it is what it is, but I'm right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost put them down because of, like, you know, I mean, the ROI is always going to be the ROI you never really know, but I, Hayes was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you brought up him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what they had in their minor league organization, the farm system, and as time goes on, we're going to see what was flipped for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but like I said, you kind of gambling on some of these things, but they still made some moves that you're like, okay, don't necessarily count them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like you said, not play off, not world series, but they made some moves to where could you imagine having the white socks record over the last few seasons and then not doing anything in the off season, like you got to figure out like what you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be some sort of movement to make yourself not look like a total waste of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see the direction and I do enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you've got a team you want us to weigh in on, please join us in the discord, ask me questions, ask Robert Murray questions, we are happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, hey, if you like the Super Bowl script too, let me know, personal feedback would mean the world to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to also say before we sign off, recipes to Terrence Gore, a one-of-a-kind, immediately baseball player, where they have one-of-a-kind career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We lost far too soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three-time damn champion, you can write that in ink.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jazz clients, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for joining me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for taking over forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, our preferred choice, whenever we have the chance to pay you for going on to speak in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well Robert knows I would do anything for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, let's get that script going because that was very like Rachel dating Joe Joey in the final seasons of Friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of that we were on a break, Super Bowl, it in a mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're still on a break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we have nine months without football or whatever, but guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes, I can't count way less than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here comes baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you've rejoining us on the baseball insiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you for the prospect show tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will see you back here with Robert Murray live on Wednesday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Main Spelian Siders!
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Adam Winder, joined not by Robert Murray today, but by our favorite Robert Murray film and Jess Klein Schmidt is here Super Bowl Monday, and you're bright-eyed and ready to go, which makes me think that you probably didn't stay up to late agonizing over the outcome of the Super Bowl that you loved watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a Super Bowl hangover, but it was not in the good way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what the beauty of this show is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It cannot be worse than what happened yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about the halftime show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why the game was so bad is because of you, we talked about that earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the halftime show is wonderful, but I've never been so detached to an outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are anti-patriots, so they're all happy, but you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still in the Bay Area, so everybody's mad to see Hawks wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the, like, if there was nothing special about yesterday, and I can't tell if that means the NFL is more or less scripted than we've already thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think so for clarity, Jess was like I hated the Super Bowl and I was like She's like I think it proves it's not rigged and I was like well bad news because I actually did write the script for this one Yeah, and what I gave you was the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean if I wrote the script for the Super Bowl I definitely would have written a script for the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good absolutely mauled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look like they never played football before I would have written that but what I would not have done was After the bad buddy half time given you more dreadful football
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken a queue from the writer's workshop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my, the readers would have told me, hey, the script's okay, little wonky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little too heavy handed on the Boston bashing, but after the bad bunny stuff, can we just double back on that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do another half time show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have listened to them because I do like when diligent notes are given to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like pleasing my audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I probably would have pivoted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I said you reel them back in with the bad bunny performance, lady Gaga, all of it that was beautifully done, and then it was like you threw a wrench once again into it, which was actually kind of brilliant in a way because you can tell who the real people were, but that was powerful the game sucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not a fan and I love the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care who's in it, but that was just not a fun game for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I am someone who thinks that the Patriots always have a chance to come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when Drake May is dropping those fumbles and the Patriots are kind of not really trying very hard to recover them, like genuinely had to recalibrate and talk to the people in the room and be like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that actually was bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bad thing that happened to a boss in sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does not look like it's like two Super Bowl teams were in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was and the other one worth that was Patriots is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Though this show it can't be as bad as I don't think it can be as bad as that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got 20 minutes on the New York 80's training for Max Schuman or maybe at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 15 on the Boston Red Sox pulling off a Caleb Durbin trade this morning for no reason I have thoughts and you can join us on the prospect show tomorrow to hear more about why one of my favorite prospects going to the Red Sox is a bummer third place for the year vindicated on that, but just and I are going to talk a little bit about we're going to praise some offseason work, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: teams that did the most to threaten the Dodgers, teams whose work is impressed us, the least who deserves more credit, who's not getting enough, and the world baseball classic, which is on the horizon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would like to start there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with the your reaction, specifically to the world-based on classic rosters, which we have not really talked about on this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're a WBC person, Team USA is more stacked this year even than they were when they lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in Japan in the finals three years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Japan finals favorites for obvious reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you could ignore what they've written to the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The cohesion and camaraderie as well as the talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dominican Republic, sort of disappointing in 2023, but there is genuinely no hole in that line up this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how you'd take them down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody might, but I don't, I tell you, I don't see it happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What storylines are you most excited to follow from this year's WBC?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the easy one, like you said, like it's stacked, but I love that it's, you know, show, hey, taric, skins, and judge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just makes me happy because people who may not watch the WBC will appreciate it a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something so like unique about it because there's less money involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're representing your country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain players to represent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Multiple teams, which is always fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just like you mentioned, the roster is always fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I really appreciate how any team could have a 17 year old
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[SPEAKER_00]: up to a 44 year old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is so good because you watch these up and cameras because who is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brazil they have a 17 year old picture, dose of contraris, and then you have all the way up to a 44 year old, elects your mirror as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like one of those things that we think that when you blow out 30 candles on your birthday cake, you're done with your physical career and that's not the case because of this, there's so much more to it than just money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You take the money aspect out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of have the
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[SPEAKER_00]: appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm always up for a surprise team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Mexico might be that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to Mexican baseball players, there's not that many.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, but I will say, I'm a Luis Reis Truther.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's such a good baseball player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched him a lot with the A's and of course his brothers on the team as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had a really interesting
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last WBC, and I think you saw like who they actually were come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Taiwan Walker is going to be is on the team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aurora is a reina out of Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these guys are all like not just big names, but I love the passion they have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you put all those guys together, they're going to give somebody a run for their money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you look at the roster of Ryan mentioned the DR.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're always going to be
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[SPEAKER_00]: in talks and horse-to-pants always really good Korea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the list goes on and on, but when it comes to Mexico, I think that might be the team that's going to surprise people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chemistry matters more in this event than in like any other baseball tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is going to be so important for a team like Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The team USA thing, I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets lost to history a little bit because, you know, your paying attention to the 162 game grind, your paying attention to the off season, you got your eyes on the winter meetings, when these players are announcing, the 2023 Team USA roster did not include judge schemes, Tarek Scoobleskines, of course, was not a professional baseball player, but I mean, Scoobles was not on our radar in that same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge, I think the most googled question of last world baseball classic was why is an Aaron Judge playing in the world baseball classic?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we can answer that one for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Mike Trap couldn't get in short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This year, Judge is Captain America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rotation of the last Team USA WVC roster was like, I mean, Lance Lynn, it's like, guys who post podcasts now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I love Lance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're a guy that you're changing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're introduced, you're changing up 10 years into your career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm all about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved those dudes and at the time it was like a fun cross-section of what USA had to offer, but I mean, you're talking about Adam Wayne writes farewell tour basically leading into now that's Terri's Kruble in fall speeds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the chemistry matters were about to find out if this team USA can get along, but also momentum is as good as your next day starting pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Team USA has a next day starting because you're every single day who would turn my heart to pure ice if I was confronting that person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So are they gonna win?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't tell you that right now, but I can tell you, it's like, it's joy for baseball fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to see these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an excuse to watch that Adam Jones catch again, and I, I still, I watch it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can never not think of Adam Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know it, look it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was my amy right Miami and he went up against it right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the most, it was amazing catch it was so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: descriptive of what the WBC is like just like you mentioned obviously a lot of these guys are not going to go full bore we have the season coming up but they have these younger guys you get to watch their talent and represent their team and they're looking at this like the Olympic Games and that's a bigger deal and that's why people are googling why is an air in judge in the WBC like where are
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[SPEAKER_00]: because they don't necessarily understand how it works, but that's it brings more eyes to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people are going to be so stoked to watch show, hey, and of course, like Terri Schouble, I think, after what happened with him in arbitration, people are going to have eyes on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just really, really exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Schouble because the final season in the, at the Coliseum, he's from the Bay Area, and he took so much dirt on the pitcher's mound, which is really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people really liked that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think, is a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is worthy of every single penny he got this off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm still, I'm sitting here still surprised that he did win all of those pennies, but I just because I don't have faith in the process, not because he did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the exact same thing that Tim Lens succumbed it, Tim Lens succumbed it's too sion awards, just basically put it down and like walked out of the room and I think anyone, you know, so just it works, you're like, you don't have to say it, the work speaks for itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's such a universal thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That moment instantly changed the tires off season two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one-two punch of scooble winning all that money that's sticking around probably from Reveille Des comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is how quickly the off season assessments can turn when you're getting closer spring training and pitchers need to find new homes and teams need to get their final T's crossed and eyes dotted and their off season assignments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting, spring trainings happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People are reporting, you know, the hats are getting released.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got a little grapefruit practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They look sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I think it's time to evaluate what we saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the Dodgers, you know, I want to frame the first question in terms of what team with an impressive Opsies and did the most to threaten the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to frame it that way because they are the two-time defending champs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did the most of anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got him with D.E.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as in Kyle Tucker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like one of those things like of course like you can go to the Dodgers like what if you have the option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not stop just because we asked them to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're being really mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're being really really mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to have Tucker on your team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was one of the things in Opsies and just like I bet Tucker was like I just sort of know who wants me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to the Dodger, but I just want to know who wants me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it did feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like thank you for showing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to really appreciate Kyle Tucker industry's will be moving to Los Angeles obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But so they I mean they didn't have to but they did do the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They win the Opsies and congrats to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But who do you feel like did the most?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you even give themselves a chance and get in that arena with Illinois?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm glad the Dodgers things are fine looking up for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a long drought, but this is a long, you know, good for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, this is, I don't think this team will demolish them and it's also an N.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: West scenario with the giants did this off season was really interesting, I don't know, but the coaching staff is a whole thing that we should do on a
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[SPEAKER_00]: totally different podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to kind of funky as far as, you know, they're meet the whole new coaching staff, obvious in the bill, Mel Girl, but it's a whole different thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was really, you know, the race arises me really interesting, not just because of the average, but he's making things interesting and defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be more depth out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's more utility guys of cost and Harrison Bader, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something I just I have that feeling that something good is going to work for him across those two teams last year obviously the trade deadline he was a really good acquisition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His athleticism is there he was hitting 277 we know he's got like that that sneaky athleticism that you only really see on defense but once it's the power going you have that average I think he's going to have maybe not like the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love me some some Tyler Malley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on the pre-imposed game show and I was breaking down his pitches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you put him in any type of rotation because maybe the velocity is not there that movement is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits every single quadrant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much fun to watch him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think adding him in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, it's going to make bats look silly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to demolish the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that their off-season acquisitions were really, really solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a utility girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about human heading into here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a utility guy is always going to help your roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like what they've done a lot more than what the pod rays have done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to be them in the Diamondbacks for that clear cut second spot in the NOS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, also shout out to Harrison Bader, Bronxville's finest, slave to the grind the best copy plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we both were crop tops, which is why I was just why I like Harrison Bader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if that would have been my defining feature of Harrison Bader, but I'm glad you said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, push it over the edge, you know, like he's really good and he can pull off a crop top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the original name of this segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, let's go over the top 10 MLB players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can always say, yes, he says a lot to a media request.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says yes to you, which I really appreciate too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still pay area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you get to see it up close and personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they do make a push.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's better when that giant team tries to contend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they impressed you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's go with the flip side, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this will never be the Dodgers because they will never have a bad opportunity again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a shame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there a team that you are left sitting here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, honestly, about a month and a half to opening day, the teams are reporting, the players
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you look at and just say, I do not like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Phillies easily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk, you know, the quote is run it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine if you are the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't give me Ron, you look at the roster and the lineups for the Phillies last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's obviously question marks about Nick Castellanos heading into this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Dave D'Ambrowski says they're content with what they have after missing out on Boba Shet, you know how Philly fans are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not happy with that at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nicest way, it can actually describe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, on the other side of it, I think cultural re extension is great, not just for the numbers, but the clubhouse is always good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a chemistry guy and J.T.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Realme, you know, I think he's going to play with a chip on his shoulder because it was kind of like, they were in discussions with him, but we all know was like, boba shit didn't work out, so we're going to give you this extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love him because he's very honest about being a catcher and they do not get enough monetary value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your value, they're the most important position and they're not all yaddy and Malina, but they all deserve yaddy and Malina money because of what they have to deal with as far as defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens because the bat kind of drooped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The blocking was a little bit off, but I think once you add a chip on the shoulder, things can change pretty well and we do
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's something that's really interesting, but I've looked at a lot of Philly's fans, and it's kind of like when you're watching a CNN situation, this just didn't nothing changed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're talking about, like nothing's different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the term content and you're talking to Philly's fans, like they're not gonna like that at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they need to do something, I don't know what it is, but when you make the push for BobaShut, you don't get and you're thinking something else is going to happen, and that just doesn't the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That also just made you think of the real world equivalent of what JT Real Muto just went through like I'm not even sure like if a high paying job you did like seven interviews and they were like Thanks so much we'll let you know and then you waited for like four weeks and you're like they're not going to let me know I didn't get that job and
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a CNN bulletin like you said about somebody they intended to hire and you're like, okay, so I didn't get it that guy did It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've made peace and then they rushed to you with 3 a.m. And they're like, hey, we Act like nothing happened like we'd love to extend you a job off and you're like, I know what happened though It was on TV like yeah, Jews me
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[SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but I will say like I feel like at his point in his career, you're getting paid to still play a sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly and I'm not saying that any sort of negative way, I think catchers are the most important position and he was very honest about it and even during when he was talking to the media, you could hear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but at the same time, if you want to be the backup for Boba Sheth on the worst thing in the world, and I know they were assuming they were still in conversation throughout the entirety of the off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what the market was like for him specifically, but yeah, I mean, if it was one of those last minute things I could see it, but you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's going to be interesting to see what happens because so that's going to be a lot of like you look at the roster and the line ups and it's good right but doesn't matter what you who you are what you're doing I mean I'm not saying losing hair is invader was the worst thing because of course he was a great trade dot trade deadline situation but I don't think he was the end of y'all so it'll be interesting to see what happens but I mean it's not the worst roster in the world but well we'll see what happens I'm Cassiana's drama that's going to continue that can make an impact on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then in the 80 fans, I think they're just tired of not getting over the hump and they're tired of that familiarity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would not be surprised if Philly's fans continue to be loud, like you said, is there one more team that you would say the world at large is not paying attention to what they've done, but they should, again, maybe we're not talking in the upper echelon with the joggers, we're not talking about a contender, but we're talking about major strides this offseason that don't get talked about because they are not in the payroll stratosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pirates for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Marcellular OZuna same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what version we're going to get hit a pretty solid season last year as far earned in 2024 actually it was an all star select in 2024 so that was great numbers dipped a little bit but nothing too crazy But you get hit with some power that's always great love the Ryan or hern signing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all he's a great clubhouse guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's pop there too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think who else is so it was going to be great to coming out of that bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can never, you always benefit from a veteran reliever and that sinker and the secondary pitch for that slider the way that they move and of course he's got so much velocity coming on the left side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The walk rate is still pretty decent, the strikeout rate is good as well, so assigning him is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's going to be a really interesting situation overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, Marlins, they did some things to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of like, they were high-brow moves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I said that at the Angels last off season, but like we don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was some stuff happening over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they deserve an F. I don't think they deserve a D. I give a C from what the Marlins did in the off season, especially because of where they're at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen many,
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[SPEAKER_00]: portions of giants and ace teams that have done rebuilds and then you still have a good team and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely keep it on in the marlins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's made some pretty interesting moves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they treated the pictures they needed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like what they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go ahead and shout out the Chicago White Sox as well in this bucket because I was going to put them down too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's not like we're, I'm not going to get on this podcast and say the weights are going to win the world series or go to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going to have to mount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm not even going to say that they're going to spell moon to talk to Murray commies name correctly, because they didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what they did do was watch that creator and market and bring it a number of pieces and bring it awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hayes is like I who the Mets and Yankees were competing over and the White Sox got him because they guarantee to more playing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you should do if you're the white sucks, if you're the fringes, if you're just trying to get better, not a playoff team, the tigers put their stamp on the aisle centrally, but I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, the A's went through that a couple of seasons ago, like a lot of guys who were going to be minor league deals everywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to majorly deal with the A's, in this case, the white socks more playing time, just more incentives, because the white socks know where they're staying right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what the front office knows that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he was able to do and understand from all of that, like, it is what it is, but I'm right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost put them down because of, like, you know, I mean, the ROI is always going to be the ROI you never really know, but I, Hayes was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you brought up him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what they had in their minor league organization, the farm system, and as time goes on, we're going to see what was flipped for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but like I said, you kind of gambling on some of these things, but they still made some moves that you're like, okay, don't necessarily count them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like you said, not play off, not world series, but they made some moves to where could you imagine having the white socks record over the last few seasons and then not doing anything in the off season, like you got to figure out like what you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be some sort of movement to make yourself not look like a total waste of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see the direction and I do enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you've got a team you want us to weigh in on, please join us in the discord, ask me questions, ask Robert Murray questions, we are happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, hey, if you like the Super Bowl script too, let me know, personal feedback would mean the world to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to also say before we sign off, recipes to Terrence Gore, a one-of-a-kind, immediately baseball player, where they have one-of-a-kind career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We lost far too soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three-time damn champion, you can write that in ink.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jazz clients, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for joining me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for taking over forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, our preferred choice, whenever we have the chance to pay you for going on to speak in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well Robert knows I would do anything for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, let's get that script going because that was very like Rachel dating Joe Joey in the final seasons of Friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of that we were on a break, Super Bowl, it in a mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're still on a break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we have nine months without football or whatever, but guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes, I can't count way less than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here comes baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you've rejoining us on the baseball insiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you for the prospect show tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will see you back here with Robert Murray live on Wednesday afternoon.
